65. How He Reversed Autoimmune Illness Without More Protocols with Seamus Mullen

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I want to take a quick break from today's episode to ask if you've ever felt overwhelmed
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by all the conflicting health advice out there, I get it.
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Welcome to rooted in wellness with me, wellness advocate, and holistic nutritionist, Mona Sharma.
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Together we will take a journey to discover natural healing practices from imbalance to
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balance, guided by ancient wisdom and modern scientific insights.
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I was raised living summers on an ashram, so I learned early on that food is medicine,
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and your kitchen is your greatest source of health care and prevention.
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After facing two heart surgeries, anxiety, and weight challenges, I discovered that just
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because your symptoms are common doesn't mean that they are normal.
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Together with some incredible guests, we will explore the power of our mind, body, and
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soul connection, returning to our roots to rediscover our greatest well-being.
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What if your chronic symptoms aren't a sign of failure, but your body's last attempt
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to protect you?
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In this episode, I sit down with Shemus Mullen, an award-winning chef, health coach, and
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chronic illness, driver, to impact the emotional, physical, and spiritual layers of true healing.
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We explore how Shemus went from multiple near-death experiences to autoimmune disease to
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a life rooted in vitality, intuition, and deep self-trust.
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Together we dive into what most wellness plans miss, the nervous systems role in recovery,
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the importance of slowing down, and how food, movement, and breath can become acts of
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remembering, not restriction.
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Shemus also shares the rituals and mindset shifts that helped him transform his relationship
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with his body, and why healing isn't about becoming someone new, but coming home to
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who you were all along.
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Shemus Mullen is an award-winning chef, health coach, and author who transformed his life
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after near-death experience and diagnosed autoimmune disease.
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Through his personal story, Shemus really reminds us that healing is possible even when
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it feels out of reach, and that sometimes the most powerful medicine is believing in
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your ability to begin again.
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Let's dive in.
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Before we dive into today's episode, I want to take a moment to share something that's
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been a complete game-changer in my wellness journey, I fit.
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level of scientific rigor is exactly what drew me to I fit.
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research.
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Whether I'm flowing through a Pilates session in my living room, getting my heart rate
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up with cardio or building strength with weights, which I love, I know that each movement,
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each sequence, each recovery period, is designed with intention and backed by evidence.
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Some days I need that gentle movement to support my nervous system, other days I'm ready
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to challenge myself with something more intense.
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as earned my trust through their dedication to combining cutting-edge science with accessibility.
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You probably heard me talk about the importance of movement and consistency, and that's exactly
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Thanks, Mona, thanks for having me.
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This is what I've been wanting to do for a long time, it's really, really thrilled.
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Yeah, so we're going to dive into so many things.
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You are a renowned chef, you are a healer, you're a leader in the wellness industry, you're
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an author, you've gone through an incredible journey.
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To start off, we ask our guests, you know, the spot kiss is really about ancient wisdom
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in our modern world and how we can become more rooted.
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And when I say rooted, it's rooted in our health and our lifestyle and who we are, but also
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in this inner wisdom that we all have, to know how to heal.
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So you as a practitioner and a leader in the space, do you have practices every day that
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help you feel more rooted?
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Yeah, without a doubt, and it's funny because practices are things that for me come and
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go in waves and when it comes to like daily practices, I've noticed like if I look back,
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there's things that I was doing 15 years ago when I really got started in this journey
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that I no longer do and other things that I do religiously still.
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And they always kind of come in waves and come and go.
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But yeah, there are things that like for me, there's some non-negotiables breathing is
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a non-negotiable.
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And I think that's something that most of us need to learn how to consciously and that
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was a big part of my awakening and understanding that we have this medicine cabinet inside
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ourselves that we all can access.
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I think the breath is the most basic key to opening that medicine cabinet.
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So that's a non-negotiable for me.
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I do it all the time.
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And even my wife, Ricky and I were talking about this the other day.
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She noticed as we're driving any time that I'm not talking, I'm actually focusing on my
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breath.
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If I'm in the car, I'm doing breathing exercises or if I'm sitting in the sauna, I'm conscious
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of my breath.
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I'm always trying to bring myself back to my breath.
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So that's a daily practice that keeps me super rooted and there's a zillion other things
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we can talk about.
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But that's probably the most basic.
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What I love about this question is no matter who's sitting in that chair, if you're a scientist,
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if you're an author, if you're no matter leader, everyone lists modalities that are free.
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The tools that help them feel their best to start their day are all these modalities
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that are free rooted in how the body knows how to heal.
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So thank you for sharing that.
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Now on the flip side, you know, I think that you're also sitting here because you recognize
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now when you're drifting from your rituals every day.
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I think that wellness today, you might, I think we've actually talked about this.
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So many people are treating their wellness like a checklist.
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So they don't even notice that the things that they're checking off their list for wellness
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is actually the thing that is causing them to feel uprooted.
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So do you notice when you drift or there's certain habits that you go through through
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your life that cause you to feel uprooted, do you recognize those signs?
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Yeah, sometimes it's really hard to recognize until you're pretty far off the path.
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Yeah.
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It's like the frog being born in water.
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You don't really realize it until suddenly you're cooked.
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But I would say I've become more aware of seeing the signs and seeing the things where,
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okay, wait, this doesn't feel quite right or maybe I feel a little sluggish or I'm not
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sleeping as well as I'd like to be sleeping.
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And that becomes a reminder to get back on focusing on my daily practices.
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But this this past year has been a real struggle for me and I actually got pretty far off of
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things and went totally off the rails and had some major health issues that I had to address.
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And getting back to the daily practice really, really helped me come back into center and
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room, you know, reminding me of the importance of being, of taking, we don't take care of ourselves,
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nobody's going to do it for us.
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You really got to, you got to take care of yourself first.
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And thank you for sharing that, too, because I think that a lot of times the people who
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are sitting having this conversation, they think that we've always arrived and that we
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are able to thrive consistently.
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Yeah.
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But I think that because we've kind of been to the rock bottom or we've been diagnosed
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with disease and we were reverse those things, it's kind of the greatest driver.
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We are so in tune with the fact that you are the healer, but also nothing matters if you
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don't have your health.
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So over time as we drift and we get that note of like, oh my god, I'm here again.
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Shit.
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We've got to get back to the things that we know had to do to heal, right?
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It's, oh, we're not permanently unshakable.
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You got it.
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None of us are.
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So I, you know, I've seen it in, I've seen it happen in my own life many, many times
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where I've made great strides.
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I think that one of the things that we forget about, I love that you said that we haven't
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arrived because that's true.
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We're always arriving.
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That's part of that path that we're on.
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But health like anything else in life is by relic and there's moments where the one
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thing I can tell you and I always remind myself this when I'm not feeling well whether
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it's physically or emotionally not feeling that well is that the one thing I know is that
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I'm going to feel better again at some point and I'm going to feel shitty again at some
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point.
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And that's just sort of the reality.
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And if you can make peace with that and then stop kind of associating negativity with
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the input rather than, you know, inflammation as an example is just information.
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So if you can look at either sadness or anxiety or pain as information, that's an illustration
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of where you should be focusing your efforts and the true belief that everything is a pendulum
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and you will, you will get better if you, if you believe that that's the first fundamental
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step.
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I love that you said that because one of the biggest challenges with my clients is that
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when they get to a point, it's almost like this feeling, oh, I'm here again.
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This is it.
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I'm sick.
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I'm going to feel like forever.
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Yesterday I felt like I arrived and then today I felt like I did not.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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At all.
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And here we are.
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So this is good timing for this conversation.
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Your story is one of the most inspiring ever and I'll never forget when we met.
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We were at an event for timely nutrition, we're speaking on a panel together with my dear
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friend, Dr. Shaw and hearing your story and healing from autoimmune disease and rheumatoid
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arthritis.
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Obviously hit home.
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I don't even know if you know this about me, but my mother is super from autoimmune since
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I was born.
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So it's the most crippling, debilitating disease that is out there.
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And I know that a lot of doctors, when they diagnose the disease, it's kind of like it's
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written off like, okay, good luck with that, right?
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And here you are.
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You turned it around.
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So can you do me favor just for our audience, paint a picture of how you moved from chronic
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autoimmune, what life felt like then in your world, working at this high as a high profile
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chef to the road towards vibrant health?
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Mm-hmm.
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Yeah.
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It was really challenging.
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I think the first part of the journey for me, which I think a lot of people who have
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struggled with RA or with Crohn's or other autoimmune dysfunction can relate to, I didn't
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know what was going on in my body.
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I just slowly felt as though my health was breaking down.
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And all through my 20s, I had a series of acute inflammatory attacks and different joints.
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It would move from one shoulder to the other shoulder, then I'd have it in my knee,
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I'd have it in my hip, and they never would last more than three or four days.
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So it was really hard for me to cling whack them all and hard for me to understand that
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there was a correlation between all of it.
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So also, this is 30 plus years ago, I didn't, I was thinking about my health at all.
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The conversations around autoimmune disease and lifestyle and all that stuff were very,
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very limited to small, small pockets of small communities.
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People weren't really talking about health in the way that it's now part of the general
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conversation.
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And then I was diagnosed, and when I was diagnosed, there was a bit of relief on my
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behalf.
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I felt like, okay, here's something I can hang my hat on, I understand what's going
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on.
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I had a series of rheumatologists that all said, don't worry, there's meds, you're going
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to be fine.
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You're going to be on these meds the rest of your life.
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And if this doesn't work, we'll switch you to something else.
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And I think there was a part of me that liked the idea of being sick too, because it gave
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me an explanation.
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And it also solidified me in the realm of being a victim, which was a very comfortable
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place to be.
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And I don't think I wanted to admit that, but outsourcing the responsibility of my
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well-being to professionals and outsourcing the reality of my discomfort to a disease
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took all of the responsibility off of me.
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And all I had to do was just show up, take the meds and say, this is why I feel like shit.
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And I was able to, in that focus on my career, which I really did.
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I mean, I pushed, I pushed myself, I opened tons of restaurants, I won a lot of awards,
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I did really, really well, but my body was totally breaking down.
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And by my mid 30s, mid to late 30s, I got to the point where it was really clear to me
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that if I didn't make some serious changes, I wasn't going to live for very long.
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In fact, I didn't think, when I was 36, thinking that I would not live to see 40.
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And I almost didn't.
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In fact, I had a near-death experience in 2012.
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And coming out of that, my heart stopped for nearly two minutes.
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experiences I've ever gone through, I made a commitment to focusing on my own well-being.
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about autoimmune dysfunction.
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Leaky gut syndrome, which I dove into, gut dyspiosis, all the sorts of things that I started
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to understand were probably drivers of my autoimmune dysfunction.
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hypothesis around why AI happens by autoimmune disease happens, autoimmune dysfunction.
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nervous system regulating practices.
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I was just doing them because I was like, oh, I feel better if I do this.
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from the outside and what that means.
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Do you have a family history of RA?
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that she had RA.
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itself.
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I love that you're sharing that.
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I think we're talking about nervous system regulation a lot more these days.
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always talk about is anything to deal with the bones, especially with diseases like
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rheumatoid arthritis.
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were exposed to, the things that happened in their life, the way that they feel.
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for you.
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a heart condition.
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today are still distancing, by the way, is like crazy learning about the impact of food
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on the body.
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the way I'm eating?
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And across the board, the response I got was, well, if you think that it's going to make
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you feel better, I placebo effect, I, it's all in your head, which I think is great
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because everything is actually psychosomatic.
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and bottom up.
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my doctors to say, hey, is there a correlation, is there a correlation?
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There's got to be some, there has to be some, some relevance between the two.
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I think it could take away from your story that would really land with people and I'm
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sure you work with clients at this capacity also.
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somewhere else and then something else came up.
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in, never ignoring the symptoms.
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We're living in this world of modern medicine.
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of so many diseases that are out there.
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It's still kind of an umbrella term, but you work with like a spectrum of clients who
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have different degrees of inflammation and a hundred percent.
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How do you help them recognize what that is?
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really, really well and he just had, he's like, he just had a travel and a business trip
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he got off the plane and had really bad information in one of the joints and fingers.
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And he said to me, you know, I've been doing great and, you know, the only thing I can think
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of is I went to Whole Foods and I had this sushi and maybe this sushi, could it be that?
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I am of the opinion that rather than we tend to look for acute causes to acute responses.
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back to the idea that here's the problem, here's the solution.
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germ theory and durian theory.
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The problem with that, that, that mentality and everything that we do is rooted in this
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idea of germ theory, which is what Louis Pasteur came up with and our medicine, our whole
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medical system is based around that.
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And even in, in sort of non-traditional healing pathways, you might say, oh, well, then
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perhaps this food triggered that.
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And I look at it as, and when we're, when in horses, when we're talking with horses,
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there's this concept of the 13th rabbit that your horse can, can ride by 12 rabbits and
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it's totally fine.
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nothing wrong with that rabbit, it isn't that rabbit.
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And so in the case of, you know, the guy I was talking to this morning, my clients are
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working with this morning, it might not necessarily be the whole food sushi thing that he had
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or whatever.
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And that in sort of, in concert with everyone else that's going on.
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So it's not the one acute issue, the one acute activity that causes the inflammation
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and disruption.
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It's more likely that it is, we've elevated the entire baseline of inflammation.
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So to a point where all it takes is, you know, the 13th rabbit to push your overboard.
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And then the body's response is going to respond wherever it's weakest.
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So in his case, he has a history of inflammation in the joints of his hands.
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And that's, and that's kind of, that's where it comes back down to.
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And you helped me tremendously this, this winter getting through bringing down my terrain
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to bring down my baseline's systemic inflammation to a point where I wasn't having acute
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flare ups because I went through, I go through this too and it's been a long time since
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I went through like really, really struggled, you know, and I know what it's like and
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I didn't go on through it.
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But it's also, it's really helped me understand, oh, I got to bring everything down.
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We got to bring everything down.
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That means it's not as simple as taking, you got to take this one supplement.
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It's about making sure you're really good sleep hygiene and making sure that nervous system
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regulations in check, making sure all the, the nutritional inputs are making sense and
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nothing is, nothing is, is too inflammatory.
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to reassess everything, bring everything back down, do a little bit of a reset.
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You got it.
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Oh, I'm like, I'm getting giddy over here because you're just speaking my language and working
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with you through that.
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As an outsider looking in, you can see it's this concept of accumulation like, oh gosh,
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there's so many things that have just built up within you, you get two point where it
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does become acute.
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team?
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And whenever I work with other people in the industry, like you who work as leaders in wellness,
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because we know so much, we often don't ask for help.
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I mean, you know, I mean, I, this, this is a, this winter, what I've gone through this
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winter, which was really challenging, really illustrated that for me because I'm not very
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good at asking for help.
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And I'm so grateful that one, I reached out to you because you've been incredibly
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helpful.
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Dave Asperger was super helpful.
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I have one that I work with who does my vassal work, which she's been incredibly helpful.
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Mike from Ocean, who turned me on to has become a great friend, really wonderful practitioner
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to work with.
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So I, you know, I find people, Dr. Frank Lippmann is a long time friend of mine.
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There's always been super helpful.
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Alejandro Younger has been great.
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So yeah, I'm going to have people that I call out into when I, when I really need help.
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And I'm always amazed at how willing and open and helpful everyone is.
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I love that.
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I shouldn't be amazed.
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Shout out to motion.
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Let's just shut them out.
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I think that they're the future.
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Of health care because they addressed the nervous system first.
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I love what motion does and only that, but they also, to your point, as you were talking
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about this idea of both ancient wisdom and modern technology, they, they really bring
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those two elements together in a beautiful way.
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They did it.
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So if you don't mind sharing them, so you went through the segment with me, I went your
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mole two years ago.
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So that was my second wave of the intensity.
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Well, we've too good inflammation, you know, it's such a buzz word.
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But when people who are listening, who are ignoring the signs, we talked about nervous
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system regulation and emotions that we could be holding onto.
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You went through something pretty extreme, living through the LA fires, working with clients
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that you have.
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What are some of the exposures that you think that are an assault to our bodies?
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I mean, I think honestly, heavy metals, tap water is a big one, air quality, mold, you
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know, generally speaking, I think we all could benefit from, I think Dr. Lustig always talks
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about protect the liver heal, what does he say, protect the liver, heal the gut.
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That's his mantra.
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We overlook the importance of our detox and pathways.
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system is incredibly important.
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thought I had lymphoma and I had a massive cyst removed from my neck or a tumor from
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my neck, which of course was just a clump of lymph nodes that were taken out.
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as well, and efficiently as it should.
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So for me, that was a, that's a big thing, making sure that you're, and it could be something
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in simple, like I have a daily practice of dry brushing in the sauna.
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It helps me sweat.
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I start sweating much more quickly in the sauna, which tells me that I'm detoxing.
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So I think making sure being aware and understanding what that means, what you're, we may not
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even know what it feels like to be over-toxified if you will, but detoxing, you'll know it.
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I mean, I recently did a liver cleanse and my mood dramatically improved by day three.
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So much better.
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you store anger in the liver.
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much better.
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If shamaness on, shamaness and I were at your house with you, if you're going to reduce
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your toxic load, going through your food, going through the areas of your house that
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cause you a little bit of tension or stress or anger or resentment, going through the products
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that you're using.
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The exposure to toxins and chemical cleaners and makeup and, gosh, I just did a full
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audit with a client yesterday was just too much.
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sleep or the inflammation goes down and you're joints a little bit or you're digesting your
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food a little bit better.
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house, especially with kids, you start gathering more and more stuff.
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More stuff shows up.
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at the areas in which you could have the most exposure.
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Your skin is obviously a huge organ, probably the biggest organ in your body.
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So think about what are you, first of all, what are you wearing?
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And for men, and this is a big thing, but are you wearing cotton underwear?
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That's a real big one.
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You know, where, what else are you wearing?
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What is, what material is the clothing made out?
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If you're using deodorant, think about all your lymphatic system, which really, there's
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so many lymph nodes all around your, your armpits.
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So if you're using, you know, you're using deodorant that's got chemicals and has, has aluminum
466
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and all this, all the other garbage that's in it, what is that doing to your lymphatic system
467
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because we absorb so much right there?
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What are you?
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And down to, I mean, I'm a little, I'm a little freakish in that I think about one of my
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brushing my teeth with, one of my flossing my teeth with dental floss is another one
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because there's, you know, we have so much plastic floating around our system.
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That's wild.
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That's the majority of dental floss that glide dental floss that's made of, made of plastics.
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So every time you're flossing your teeth, you're absorbing a little bit of plastic.
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And I, I know you can, you can go down rabbit holes and it can be exhausting, but doing
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an audit every once in a while of the, the skin care products you have, the, your toothpaste,
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your, your toothbrush, even the bristles on your toothbrush, I think about all of the ways
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in which you could unintentionally be consuming plastics.
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And that's a big one, you know, I want you to do the audit.
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It's done.
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Yeah.
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Or safe.
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It takes you some time.
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It might be a bit of investment upfront.
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But over time, you know, exactly what's safe for your house and your house becomes a kind
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of a sanctuary.
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Yeah.
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And your habits too.
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That's the other part.
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Like Ricky and I have changed our sleep habits.
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And I've, you know, over the years, for the past 15 years, I've gone back and forth about
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blue light blocking glasses and blah, blah, blah and all this stuff.
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And now I've realized just dimming the lights in the evening is a, is a great simple thing
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to do, you know, just making sure you're bringing all the lights down.
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You don't go so far as to changing the light bulbs, what if you want to, you can.
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But for us, dimming the lights, slowing down the evening, spending some time on the floor
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before going to bed.
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So we, you know, either we lie on a PMF mat together or we do a little bit of red light
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or we stretch and we'll run on the floor.
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And we're blue light blocking glasses in the evening and we kind of slow everything down.
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That makes the sleep quality so much better.
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And then she and I both sleep with I mass and sound machine and we tape our mouths because
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we want to make sure that we're more nasal breathing.
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It makes for awkward, goodnight kiss, but other than that, it's, it's really helpful.
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And while that all may seem like a ton, once it becomes a part of your routine, it's
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just like, oh, this is, this is what you do and feels, feels really easy.
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And then the same thing with the morning, how do you start your day?
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00:28:23.960 --> 00:28:28.880
And another, another simple thing to do is to put your phone on, turn the wifi off, put
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it on, on airplane and put it in a different room and get a, either don't get an alarm
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clock at all or get a conventional alarm clock, like a wind up clock.
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It's funny.
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There's so many layers, but all we're doing is we're kind of taking out the assaults
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of what consumerism and what modern living has really done to us to go back to roots.
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And what I love about the story that you just shared, thank you.
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We think about our restorative time as just the sleep time, but it's not.
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It's the couple hours prior to bed and then the couple hours after waking, right?
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And what you're choosing to do in those times.
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And I think part of your journey just as an outsider, the miracle that people need to
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be reminded of when you do those things for your body, your body as the ability to heal
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to function.
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You've optimized the terrain, your nervous system is primed, your body feels safe, it can
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receive the benefits of everything that you're doing.
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So talk to us about what it means to live with regenerative health and how that really
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is kind of like the antithesis of modern medicine.
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Yeah, I mean, I am have this idea that I love that the idea of the regenerative human,
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we are in the sense we are, I think Alan Watts said, you're under under no obligation
527
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to be the same person you were 10 minutes ago.
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And not only you under no obligation, in fact, is impossible for you to be the same person
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you were telling us to go because we're constantly becoming new people.
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Our cells, our mitochondria, everything is growing and changing and evolving.
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And the habitual actions that we take will impact how we evolve and in what direction
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we evolve.
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And that really to me is like the the outermost layer of how we can continue to become the
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best versions of ourselves, we can be our own doctors.
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You look at, you know, you look at a dog and when a dog isn't feeling well, it goes
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outside, it lies on the ground, maybe next to a tree and spreads out.
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It knows how to rebalance itself, animals in the wild know how to care for themselves.
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We have kind of forgotten what it means to care for ourselves and like the most basic
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way that we can care for ourselves, the single most basic thing we can do is relearn how
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to breathe.
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That's the beginning.
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Once we've learned how to breathe again and how to truly make sure that we're slowing
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ourselves down, we're breathing consciously, we're breathing through our nose, which is
544
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so important.
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The next thing we can do is we can give our body a break.
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I think fasting is one of the most incredibly successful medicinal interventions you can
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possibly have for nearly every malady.
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And it doesn't have to be an eight day, 10 day water fast.
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But remarkable things happen in the body when you take the input of food out.
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We're all carrying around way more calories than we need at any given moment.
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We can certainly go 24, 36, 72 hours without food.
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And it's not easy necessarily.
553
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It takes training just like anything else, learning how to breathe again is not easy.
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You know, learning how to ride a bike is not easy.
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Yoga is not easy.
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None of these things are easy, but it doesn't mean that we should be scared of them.
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In fact, leaning into the challenge of them, leaning into the difficulty is where we
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foster and create resilience and strength.
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So the idea of being regenerative really starts from the outside, it starts with breath,
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calming the nervous system.
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And then with each layer in, we start with the breath and the nervous system.
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And then within that is the immune system, and then within that is our health.
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Once we get into that central area, that's where our health is.
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00:32:00.280 --> 00:32:03.040
But we really have to learn how to calm the nervous system.
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And unfortunately, modern conveniences are all designed to captivate our attention.
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And as a result, you know, we're being assaulted, as you said, we're constantly being assaulted
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with all of these things that are so tempting and they're hyper-palatable in terms of food
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that are hyper-palatable in terms of media.
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Like we see them, we must consume them.
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It's very difficult not to see it, even the environments in which we live are all about
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temperature neutrality.
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They're very comfortable.
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Everything is for our convenience and comfort.
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And it has a long-term detrimental impact on our well-being.
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It erodes our resilience and it makes us really, really vulnerable to the next pathogen,
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the next person to cut you off in line, you know, the next unhealthy relationship that
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you have.
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It makes us really, really vulnerable.
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So fostering that strength comes from learning to regenerate.
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I think that that's so beautiful.
581
00:32:54.920 --> 00:32:56.720
Have you ever been to an ashram before?
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I haven't.
583
00:32:57.720 --> 00:32:58.720
No, but I know.
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I want to go with you guys.
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Yeah.
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We would love that.
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I have this concept of helping my clients build their ashram in their city and their home.
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And what got me really excited about it is the fact that I kept saying like, nobody has
589
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time to go away to an ashram for a week or two weeks or a month.
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If you ever do, it's the ultimate wellness experience I promise you.
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But everything that's taught there, you can do in your own house.
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And when it comes to yoga, this big umbrella term of yoga that we now associate with just
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doing this ostinous, these hard poses, yoga started with breath.
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And at the ashram, 35 minutes, 40 minutes of the yoga class, we start just with breath.
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And that's the tuning for the body.
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And for anyone listening who has never maybe you're intimidated by breath work or it feels
597
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hard or yoga feels hard, I always say go for three to five classes.
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And instead of focusing on how hard the class is, notice how you feel after because it's
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the feeling after all of these things.
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That's the driver for you to go back, right?
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And whenever you leave a yoga studio, I don't care what city you're in, we went to Istanbul
602
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for crying out loud.
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And the first thing that you see when you get into a city center, you're marketed, you
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know, a food or a fast food restaurant or looking this way or eating this way, it's like despite
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00:34:08.240 --> 00:34:13.040
your best efforts wherever we go, there's like just marketing to exactly.
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So I think it's important for people to recognize that, especially with your story and how
607
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you can make your body just kind of reversed or unlearn the impact of the assault.
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So thank you for that.
609
00:34:23.440 --> 00:34:27.920
When we think or kind of just think about something that you speak to all the time.
610
00:34:27.920 --> 00:34:31.520
It's never about painting a really terrible lens on the Western system, but I've heard
611
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you say that you've healed in spite of the medical system.
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Can you elaborate on that?
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Yeah.
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00:34:37.360 --> 00:34:41.920
Well, listen, we've all said this, but Western medicine is really, really good when you
615
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have a bone sick out of your leg.
616
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You got it.
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Acute healing.
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Acute.
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Yeah.
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And that's, I think it goes all the way back to Louis Pasteur and the idea of germ theory.
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It's taking germ theory is essentially if there's a pathogen and there's a solution
622
00:34:55.440 --> 00:35:01.360
to that pathogen and sort of like an antigen to that pathogen and you isolate that and
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you have health.
624
00:35:02.360 --> 00:35:09.400
And that's, I think that's a, that is an incomplete view of vision for healing.
625
00:35:09.400 --> 00:35:14.960
I think in the case of a bone sick out of your leg, there is a very clear acute issue
626
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to address.
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00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:19.760
Now, what happens beyond that on the other side of healing, that's a totally different
628
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story.
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This idea that I mentioned before of transactional health, where we have a problem, we go to
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a specialist, we go to a professional and they tell us, okay, here's the solution to the
631
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problem and too often the way that medicine has been practiced for the past, really the
632
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past 40 years, 40 or 50 years is that that has been a pharmacological intervention.
633
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And to actually look at the chemical compounds and what's happening in your body with so
634
00:35:46.000 --> 00:35:52.360
many pharmacological interventions, they may work to a degree, but at great expense.
635
00:35:52.360 --> 00:35:58.160
And I've seen in my own, my own health, when I was really, really sick with RA, I was on
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00:35:58.160 --> 00:36:02.680
a biologic drug, I was on a number of different drugs, but I was on a biologic drug that was
637
00:36:02.680 --> 00:36:03.680
an immunosuppressant.
638
00:36:03.680 --> 00:36:05.640
So it suppressed my immune system.
639
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And I obviously, obviously to me, I had dysbiosis in my gut.
640
00:36:09.960 --> 00:36:13.920
I had an imbalance of bacteria in my gut and I had leaky gut syndrome.
641
00:36:13.920 --> 00:36:21.200
I got very, very sick with bacterial meningitis and an infection went from my gut, bacteria
642
00:36:21.200 --> 00:36:23.360
went from my gut to my brain.
643
00:36:23.360 --> 00:36:29.200
And that only happened because I was being treated for conventional treatment for RA, which
644
00:36:29.200 --> 00:36:34.440
is to create a wet blanket on top of the entire immune system, which essentially not only
645
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did it suppress my immune system's ability to fight a bacterial infection that spread
646
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to my blood, but it also led to the bacterial infection.
647
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It created the weak junctures in my, the epithelial lining of my gut, so the bacteria could
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pass into the bloodstream.
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And I've seen since then with many, many other folks that struggle with autoimmune issues
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that when they follow a conventional path of symptomatic treatment, they get to, in Western
651
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medicine, they love to call disease management.
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And my vision for health is not disease management is thriving.
653
00:37:10.280 --> 00:37:16.240
And to thrive really means to help the body learn to do what it's so good, it relearn
654
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to do what it's so good at doing, what we can do italy know.
655
00:37:19.120 --> 00:37:25.360
The body, we are homeostasis seeking machines and we're so good at healing ourselves.
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If we can just tap into some of that ancestral wisdom that is millennia old, that's part
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of our DNA and that, and again, that's why fasting I think is such an important step
658
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in so many, for so many issues, but particularly for autoimmune dysfunction and for cancer,
659
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I think they're, they're incredible, zero risk protocols that can, they can pay huge
660
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dividends.
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00:37:48.200 --> 00:37:49.200
I with you.
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00:37:49.200 --> 00:37:51.600
So let's talk about that and your experience fasting.
663
00:37:51.600 --> 00:37:55.360
The science is there, right, but I think the science is also proving what ancient wisdom
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amongst so many cultures and, you know, prior to biblical times, right, has known all
665
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along.
666
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Now, when we think about the gut microbiome that really has to digest everything from our
667
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emotions to our environment, to the food that we eat, to the water we consume, there's
668
00:38:11.120 --> 00:38:17.320
so many people out there who, whether it's digestive issues, irritability, heartburn,
669
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gas, brain fog, bloating, constipation, diarrhea, like these are all symptoms that I think
670
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people have normalized or they've lived it for so long that it's just, so I am, you know,
671
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something about movements two or three times a day, they actually had a client this week
672
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who her doctor said that, oh, every three days, that's okay.
673
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That's still normal.
674
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Oh, my God.
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Yeah.
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00:38:37.720 --> 00:38:40.960
Meanwhile, her total toxic burden test came back with every single thing on it in red, which
677
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is wild after years of living this way.
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I know it's a digress.
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The point is is that we cannot ignore these symptoms now through the power of fasting.
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What are we doing?
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Let's talk about what happens within the body and how did you see the correlation between
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fasting and your symptoms?
683
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Well, I mean, the biggest thing is that it's the ultimate anti-inflammatory diet because
684
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nearly everything that we can be inflammatory.
685
00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:12.200
When we are in hyperinflammatory state, everything requires energy to break down.
686
00:39:12.200 --> 00:39:17.160
And the byproduct, some things, you know, as we've learned over the years through technology
687
00:39:17.160 --> 00:39:22.240
and trial and error, you know, corn is easier to digest if it's an extremalized, beans
688
00:39:22.240 --> 00:39:27.280
are easier to digest if they're soaked and they're cooked for long periods of time.
689
00:39:27.280 --> 00:39:32.600
That doesn't necessarily mean they're easy to digest, but the key term word is easier to
690
00:39:32.600 --> 00:39:33.600
digest.
691
00:39:33.600 --> 00:39:38.520
So for someone who's in a heightened inflammatory state, you want to get rid of anything that
692
00:39:38.520 --> 00:39:44.000
is, quote unquote, easier to digest and literally just bring things down to things that are
693
00:39:44.000 --> 00:39:47.880
virtually, they're almost the easiest things to possibly digest.
694
00:39:47.880 --> 00:39:50.960
The easiest things to digest are the calories that we're carrying on ourselves.
695
00:39:50.960 --> 00:39:55.600
There's literally the easiest things that I just, so retraining the body to have metabolic
696
00:39:55.600 --> 00:40:00.880
flexibility is really, really important to under so that our metabolic system understands
697
00:40:00.880 --> 00:40:06.680
how to access the surplus calories that we're carrying around at our white fat.
698
00:40:06.680 --> 00:40:10.080
That's sort of the baseline, but what happens when we're fasting?
699
00:40:10.080 --> 00:40:14.040
It's incredible the things that happen when you're fasting and the first within the first
700
00:40:14.040 --> 00:40:18.080
30s, six hours are metabolic system shifts over.
701
00:40:18.080 --> 00:40:22.600
When you get to like 60 hours, your immune system starts shifting over.
702
00:40:22.600 --> 00:40:26.520
Everything is regenerating within our body, the minute you give it a break.
703
00:40:26.520 --> 00:40:31.640
I think that part of this is also overlooked often when we talk about it in medical terms
704
00:40:31.640 --> 00:40:36.520
is our emotional relationship with food also shifts.
705
00:40:36.520 --> 00:40:40.880
You come out of fasting with a very, very different relationship with food and a lot of the
706
00:40:40.880 --> 00:40:46.800
things that before I fast, I found myself craving or eating more easily, the sugary,
707
00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:50.680
hyper-palatable things that, even though I'm pretty good, I'm still just as susceptible
708
00:40:50.680 --> 00:40:55.280
as anyone to want to eat potato chips and chocolate and stuff like that, and ice cream,
709
00:40:55.280 --> 00:41:00.360
and coming out of the fast, my desire for any food that is not really, really nourishing
710
00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:01.360
just goes away.
711
00:41:01.360 --> 00:41:02.360
It's not like it's a challenge.
712
00:41:02.360 --> 00:41:04.600
You're like, oh, no, I'm not going to eat that.
713
00:41:04.600 --> 00:41:08.120
My body actually doesn't want that in it.
714
00:41:08.120 --> 00:41:11.960
You start to have a very different relationship with food, which we eat for so many different
715
00:41:11.960 --> 00:41:18.160
reasons, and hunger is really at the bottom of the list for the reasons why we eat.
716
00:41:18.160 --> 00:41:22.640
Rebooting that relationship with that emotional relationship with food, I think, is not to
717
00:41:22.640 --> 00:41:25.360
be overlooked as one of the powerful benefits of fasting.
718
00:41:25.360 --> 00:41:30.800
I think we're still in this process of unlearning the imprinting that happened in the 60s, 70s,
719
00:41:30.800 --> 00:41:31.800
and 80s around.
720
00:41:31.800 --> 00:41:32.800
We need to eat.
721
00:41:32.800 --> 00:41:33.800
We need to snack.
722
00:41:33.800 --> 00:41:36.440
It gets normal to have three to six meals a day.
723
00:41:36.440 --> 00:41:38.000
Maybe some of it's backed by scarcity.
724
00:41:38.000 --> 00:41:41.080
I think a lot of it is backed by food cravings.
725
00:41:41.080 --> 00:41:45.800
I think if anyone has any type of craving that feels too intense, try fasting for even
726
00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:46.800
a day.
727
00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:51.400
Your taste buds are going to change because you're starving microbes within your gut microbiome.
728
00:41:51.400 --> 00:41:56.920
I think that the science is still emerging, but based on just personal stories like this,
729
00:41:56.920 --> 00:41:58.240
the evidence is there.
730
00:41:58.240 --> 00:42:01.920
I think that fasting for two, three days, personally, it's always been hard for me.
731
00:42:01.920 --> 00:42:03.640
It doesn't get easier for me.
732
00:42:03.640 --> 00:42:07.640
Fasting for 12 to 16 hours is kind of like my sweet spot, and it's something that we
733
00:42:07.640 --> 00:42:08.640
do in our household.
734
00:42:08.640 --> 00:42:13.800
But I think that there is really, it's like a moment of magic that everyone can tune
735
00:42:13.800 --> 00:42:14.800
into.
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00:42:14.800 --> 00:42:19.960
If you're suffering from any symptom, find a partner to fast with or community or group
737
00:42:19.960 --> 00:42:20.960
and do it together.
738
00:42:20.960 --> 00:42:22.440
That's when I was able to do it for days.
739
00:42:22.440 --> 00:42:23.880
It's a lot easier if you don't have too much, yeah.
740
00:42:23.880 --> 00:42:24.880
And that was the proof.
741
00:42:24.880 --> 00:42:26.360
It's like, oh, okay.
742
00:42:26.360 --> 00:42:30.880
My sleep was interrupted because my metabolic system was shifting, and I was in a deficit
743
00:42:30.880 --> 00:42:31.880
and stuff like that.
744
00:42:31.880 --> 00:42:35.880
But by the end of day two, more mental clarity, and stop me if I'm wrong.
745
00:42:35.880 --> 00:42:38.320
Like did you notice that things looked more in tune?
746
00:42:38.320 --> 00:42:39.320
You could see details.
747
00:42:39.320 --> 00:42:43.320
I felt like my eyesight was on the wall and sand of a ceiling.
748
00:42:43.320 --> 00:42:44.320
Yeah.
749
00:42:44.320 --> 00:42:45.320
It's usually for me.
750
00:42:45.320 --> 00:42:48.440
It's day two to day three when that really kicks in.
751
00:42:48.440 --> 00:42:55.520
My first experience was, my first serious fasting experience was in 2012 with my brother.
752
00:42:55.520 --> 00:42:59.320
And he had just done like a one-on-one coaching session with Dave Asprey.
753
00:42:59.320 --> 00:43:04.000
And Dave was, you know, had just written the bulletproof diet and was, you know, at
754
00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:08.400
bulletproof coffee, he had just started really pushing bulletproof coffee.
755
00:43:08.400 --> 00:43:12.000
And so my brother was like, listen, let's try this because he was very supportive of me
756
00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:13.000
in my journey.
757
00:43:13.000 --> 00:43:16.480
And I'd come out of having this near-death experience and I'd started to feel better.
758
00:43:16.480 --> 00:43:21.680
I was still quite overweight, and I was still struggling, but I was on my path now.
759
00:43:21.680 --> 00:43:26.160
And so my brother and I decided to do a 10-day water fast.
760
00:43:26.160 --> 00:43:29.560
And it was really, really hard.
761
00:43:29.560 --> 00:43:31.800
The first three days were really, really hard.
762
00:43:31.800 --> 00:43:36.720
And then we hit our stride, and it was like incredibly easy.
763
00:43:36.720 --> 00:43:38.680
And I don't even remember how much weight I lost.
764
00:43:38.680 --> 00:43:41.280
I lost a lot, like 18 pounds or something.
765
00:43:41.280 --> 00:43:44.440
And I never gained it back.
766
00:43:44.440 --> 00:43:46.960
And I just felt really, really, really good.
767
00:43:46.960 --> 00:43:47.960
I felt great.
768
00:43:47.960 --> 00:43:51.800
And in fact, we could have gone a little bit longer, but we were both like, no, we've got
769
00:43:51.800 --> 00:43:53.080
to break this now.
770
00:43:53.080 --> 00:43:55.560
But it totally reset all of my cravings.
771
00:43:55.560 --> 00:43:57.880
It reset, it totally reset my relationship with food.
772
00:43:57.880 --> 00:43:59.720
And that's actually stuck.
773
00:43:59.720 --> 00:44:01.600
And that was 13 years ago.
774
00:44:01.600 --> 00:44:02.760
It's stuck.
775
00:44:02.760 --> 00:44:06.360
And it's nice to know that that's a tool.
776
00:44:06.360 --> 00:44:10.320
And I just did a three-day fast or four-day fast last week.
777
00:44:10.320 --> 00:44:13.520
And I only cut it short because it was my birthday, and the kids wanted to have a birthday
778
00:44:13.520 --> 00:44:14.520
dinner with me.
779
00:44:14.520 --> 00:44:16.040
But I was like, oh, I'm in the groove now.
780
00:44:16.040 --> 00:44:17.040
This feels really, really good.
781
00:44:17.040 --> 00:44:18.040
I want to do more of this.
782
00:44:18.040 --> 00:44:22.560
So I'm going to do another one in a cut maybe next week, maybe just like three or four
783
00:44:22.560 --> 00:44:23.560
days.
784
00:44:23.560 --> 00:44:26.200
And I just noticed, I felt so much better.
785
00:44:26.200 --> 00:44:29.000
My mobility increased, my sleep increased.
786
00:44:29.000 --> 00:44:31.320
I had more energy in the morning.
787
00:44:31.440 --> 00:44:32.600
I felt great.
788
00:44:32.600 --> 00:44:37.080
And the other thing that's interesting that I've noticed is that, and I do regularly fast
789
00:44:37.080 --> 00:44:42.600
for 16 hours a day, I can be hungry, and I can feel that, you know, that growl and
790
00:44:42.600 --> 00:44:43.600
growl.
791
00:44:43.600 --> 00:44:44.760
I can feel all of that.
792
00:44:44.760 --> 00:44:47.200
But it's have plenty of energy.
793
00:44:47.200 --> 00:44:51.000
And that's a difference from being hungry and having no energy and low energy, and that
794
00:44:51.000 --> 00:44:55.680
really has to do with normalizing your, by normalizing, I mean, sort of balancing your
795
00:44:55.680 --> 00:44:59.240
blood sugar and fasting is a great way to do that.
796
00:44:59.240 --> 00:45:04.600
If you're new to fasting, I highly suggest going slowly into it, meaning start with 12
797
00:45:04.600 --> 00:45:12.080
hours, slowing down your sugar and carbohydrates consumption, going more into protein-based consumption
798
00:45:12.080 --> 00:45:15.880
as you're getting closer to fasting and it'll just make it a lot easier.
799
00:45:15.880 --> 00:45:19.600
If you really are someone who has a very fast metabolism and you eat a lot of carbohydrates
800
00:45:19.600 --> 00:45:23.520
and sugar, it's going to be really, really hard and you are going to experience that serious
801
00:45:23.520 --> 00:45:24.520
drop.
802
00:45:24.520 --> 00:45:28.160
I think it gets you in tune with the actions and the foods that you're consuming that
803
00:45:28.160 --> 00:45:31.440
are really impacting your health and the drive that it has over you.
804
00:45:31.440 --> 00:45:34.600
I remember when I was younger, food, it had such a control over me.
805
00:45:34.600 --> 00:45:38.800
Like, it would dictate if my day was good or bad, it would impact my mood, I was probably
806
00:45:38.800 --> 00:45:41.280
craving different types of foods all the time.
807
00:45:41.280 --> 00:45:45.880
But then that just dissipates and what that does then is give you the control back, right?
808
00:45:45.880 --> 00:45:50.240
It's no longer about these cravings, you're now the controller of your body and your health.
809
00:45:50.240 --> 00:45:54.040
And something that you alluded to that comes up on every podcast which gets me so excited
810
00:45:54.040 --> 00:45:58.560
is the optimization of your mitochondria, like your body doesn't have to do all the work
811
00:45:58.560 --> 00:46:02.840
which digestion takes a tremendous amount of energy.
812
00:46:02.840 --> 00:46:06.440
So when your body doesn't have to do that anymore, it's able to tune in.
813
00:46:06.440 --> 00:46:10.960
I think now, even with the studies around optimizing or increasing mitochondrial function
814
00:46:10.960 --> 00:46:14.840
through fasting, which intuitively doesn't make sense because you think that your body
815
00:46:14.840 --> 00:46:19.960
needs the energy from food, but your body is able to now kind of ignite the mitochondrial
816
00:46:19.960 --> 00:46:20.960
function, right?
817
00:46:20.960 --> 00:46:21.960
Which gives you more energy.
818
00:46:21.960 --> 00:46:22.960
Right.
819
00:46:22.960 --> 00:46:23.960
Yeah.
820
00:46:23.960 --> 00:46:28.280
So one of the best ways for simulating autophagy is through calorie restriction or through
821
00:46:28.280 --> 00:46:29.280
fasting.
822
00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:33.840
And it's funny that you mentioned that actually, I was just speaking with someone recently
823
00:46:33.840 --> 00:46:38.680
who we were talking about fasting and calorie restriction.
824
00:46:38.680 --> 00:46:41.960
And I actually think that calorie restriction is a lot harder than fasting.
825
00:46:41.960 --> 00:46:42.960
Oh, for sure.
826
00:46:42.960 --> 00:46:49.480
I think it's a much more difficult thing to do and less effective as a means for really
827
00:46:49.480 --> 00:46:52.720
thriving, particularly at the subcellular level.
828
00:46:52.720 --> 00:46:55.200
Fasting is like one of the best things you can possibly do.
829
00:46:55.200 --> 00:46:58.800
Obviously sauna and cold exposure and lifting heavy objects.
830
00:46:58.800 --> 00:47:03.000
Those are all really good ways to stimulate autophagy, but fasting is really easy to do.
831
00:47:03.000 --> 00:47:05.560
At least short periods of fasting, 12 hours is super easy.
832
00:47:05.560 --> 00:47:06.560
Hmm.
833
00:47:06.560 --> 00:47:07.560
Good point.
834
00:47:07.560 --> 00:47:08.960
Have you ever done a fasting mimicking diet?
835
00:47:08.960 --> 00:47:09.960
Yes.
836
00:47:09.960 --> 00:47:10.960
I have.
837
00:47:10.960 --> 00:47:11.960
Yeah.
838
00:47:11.960 --> 00:47:12.960
I've tried that before.
839
00:47:12.960 --> 00:47:13.960
My stomach was just growling these days.
840
00:47:13.960 --> 00:47:14.960
I didn't have time.
841
00:47:14.960 --> 00:47:18.920
I found it so much more difficult and a big part of the challenge I have with that is
842
00:47:18.920 --> 00:47:23.280
most of the fasting mimicking diets that are sort of designed to have a lot of carbohydrate
843
00:47:23.280 --> 00:47:24.280
in them.
844
00:47:24.280 --> 00:47:25.280
Yeah.
845
00:47:25.280 --> 00:47:26.280
Yeah.
846
00:47:26.280 --> 00:47:27.280
Or to speak food.
847
00:47:27.280 --> 00:47:28.280
Or to speak food.
848
00:47:28.280 --> 00:47:29.280
Yeah.
849
00:47:29.280 --> 00:47:30.280
It's ultra processed food.
850
00:47:30.280 --> 00:47:31.280
Yeah.
851
00:47:31.280 --> 00:47:41.640
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852
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865
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It's like my body finally learned how to work with the food instead of against it.
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You mentioned horses earlier and I was at a lovely event with you and Dave Asprey at
878
00:49:30.760 --> 00:49:35.560
your home and the power of her horses and ultimately just being in nature.
879
00:49:35.560 --> 00:49:40.280
I learned things about horses and nervous system regulation that I'd never heard of before.
880
00:49:40.280 --> 00:49:44.880
Can you talk to us about maybe if people have never had an experience to be around a horse
881
00:49:44.880 --> 00:49:48.440
Craig rides to so he knows the wisdom that comes with them.
882
00:49:48.440 --> 00:49:49.440
He's got it.
883
00:49:49.440 --> 00:49:50.440
He has the bug.
884
00:49:50.440 --> 00:49:51.440
Yeah.
885
00:49:51.440 --> 00:49:57.040
It's like the shake that happens that you mentioned with a horse and talk us through
886
00:49:57.040 --> 00:49:59.880
ultimately the power of nature and being around animals.
887
00:49:59.880 --> 00:50:00.880
Yeah.
888
00:50:00.880 --> 00:50:04.840
I mean horses or I used to think horses were really special animals and now I've really
889
00:50:04.840 --> 00:50:11.880
come to think that we're all special animals and horses just happen to have a really deep
890
00:50:11.880 --> 00:50:18.600
and long relationship with humans and they're just, they're really spectacular.
891
00:50:18.600 --> 00:50:21.840
You can't really hide anything from a horse.
892
00:50:21.840 --> 00:50:27.160
We all have electromagnetic fields and horses have a much larger electromagnetic field than
893
00:50:27.160 --> 00:50:28.160
we have.
894
00:50:28.160 --> 00:50:33.960
We can really sense what's going on with our nervous system often before we can and
895
00:50:33.960 --> 00:50:34.960
before.
896
00:50:34.960 --> 00:50:43.760
I mean, I hear I digress and there's so much that wants to become totally obsessed with
897
00:50:43.760 --> 00:50:50.600
this idea of universal consciousness that consciousness does not exist in the mind.
898
00:50:50.600 --> 00:50:56.640
That the mind is just a doorway into a greater consciousness that's always evolving and growing.
899
00:50:56.640 --> 00:51:02.400
The same way that every time you use an AI but you're contributing to artificial intelligence
900
00:51:02.400 --> 00:51:06.160
and you're feeding into it and you're creating, you know, it's getting smarter and building
901
00:51:06.160 --> 00:51:07.160
as it goes.
902
00:51:07.160 --> 00:51:12.760
I think all of our thoughts and all of our actions are contributing to a greater consciousness.
903
00:51:12.760 --> 00:51:19.280
And animals because they, for the most part, are not linguistic in the way that human
904
00:51:19.280 --> 00:51:20.280
animals are.
905
00:51:20.280 --> 00:51:21.280
We're all animals.
906
00:51:21.280 --> 00:51:27.680
We communicate in a way that is much more external to their mind than us.
907
00:51:27.680 --> 00:51:32.360
And I think some of us, I don't know if you've listened to the telepathy tapes but it's
908
00:51:32.360 --> 00:51:37.120
completely changed my life and I highly recommend that it's mind blowing.
909
00:51:37.120 --> 00:51:43.480
I think some of us it's a focus on nonverbal autistic kids and their ability to communicate
910
00:51:43.480 --> 00:51:49.160
nonverbaly but not just to each other in the same physical sphere but across transcending
911
00:51:49.160 --> 00:51:55.280
space and time and it's absolutely incredible and it's changed completely how I think
912
00:51:55.280 --> 00:51:59.400
about consciousness but it's also illuminated so many things that I've experienced in my
913
00:51:59.400 --> 00:52:02.680
life like, oh, I'm just thinking about you and there you are, you just showed up, things
914
00:52:02.680 --> 00:52:03.680
like that.
915
00:52:03.680 --> 00:52:08.240
Things that we in our materialist world we write off as being coincidence or, oh, isn't
916
00:52:08.240 --> 00:52:09.240
that cute?
917
00:52:09.240 --> 00:52:12.760
And I've really started to see that there are no actually the more we practice these things
918
00:52:12.760 --> 00:52:16.440
and I work on this with the horses a lot and like I practice thinking about the horses
919
00:52:16.520 --> 00:52:18.240
trying to communicate with them.
920
00:52:18.240 --> 00:52:22.840
Sometimes I'll even just be driving in the car and I'll say, tell them out loud, I'll
921
00:52:22.840 --> 00:52:26.320
be home in 45 minutes and I'll feed you when I get home and I'll really think about
922
00:52:26.320 --> 00:52:29.880
them and I'll pull into the driveway and all of the horses will be standing there looking
923
00:52:29.880 --> 00:52:32.080
at me, just waiting for me.
924
00:52:32.080 --> 00:52:35.920
Or we have one horse who has one eye, she's a rescue horse and I like to feed her away
925
00:52:35.920 --> 00:52:39.160
from the other horses and I'll just the other day at this wonderful experience where
926
00:52:39.160 --> 00:52:42.600
I just kind of said to myself, red, go into the stall and wait for me, I'll feed you
927
00:52:42.600 --> 00:52:46.600
in there and she's just turned around and she walked all the way around the corral
928
00:52:46.600 --> 00:52:48.920
into the stall and waited for me.
929
00:52:48.920 --> 00:52:54.440
And so there, I do believe that, you know, I used to think that horses were incredibly
930
00:52:54.440 --> 00:52:57.760
sensitive and that's why they could tell when there was an earthquake coming or if the
931
00:52:57.760 --> 00:53:00.880
weather's going to change, it must because of the change in the bare mesh pressure.
932
00:53:00.880 --> 00:53:06.720
I think it's less that sensitivity is more that they're just attuned to a greater consciousness
933
00:53:06.720 --> 00:53:10.200
that we as humans have kind of forgotten about.
934
00:53:10.200 --> 00:53:15.800
But where it really becomes relevant to us as we operate in this material world is their
935
00:53:15.800 --> 00:53:17.400
attunement to our nervous systems.
936
00:53:17.400 --> 00:53:22.280
They become these incredible mirrors that show us exactly where we are at any given point
937
00:53:22.280 --> 00:53:27.680
and being with them is incredible because they're masters of getting from the sympathetic
938
00:53:27.680 --> 00:53:29.360
into the parasympathetic state.
939
00:53:29.360 --> 00:53:35.400
They are so good at distinguishing between real and perceived threat and we as humans tend
940
00:53:35.400 --> 00:53:37.080
to be really, really bad at that.
941
00:53:37.080 --> 00:53:38.080
Oh my gosh.
942
00:53:38.080 --> 00:53:39.080
Yeah.
943
00:53:39.080 --> 00:53:40.080
Then we get triggered and we stay there.
944
00:53:40.080 --> 00:53:42.000
And I saw this firsthand.
945
00:53:42.000 --> 00:53:46.640
So you did a beautiful demonstration with one of your horses and I was really looking
946
00:53:46.640 --> 00:53:51.080
at it through the mirror of, you know, just human behavior and, you know, there was
947
00:53:51.080 --> 00:53:55.440
what, 20, 30 of us standing around and you could just show or see, you could see when
948
00:53:55.440 --> 00:53:58.560
the nervous system of the horse was like shut down and nervous and none of what was
949
00:53:58.560 --> 00:53:59.560
happening.
950
00:53:59.560 --> 00:54:03.320
And then a caregiver stepped in and you were able to put him at ease and you literally
951
00:54:03.320 --> 00:54:05.240
could see the shift.
952
00:54:05.240 --> 00:54:09.080
And gosh, if we just had this awareness, I think, as kids growing up, how to attune
953
00:54:09.080 --> 00:54:13.680
our energy, how to recognize where in a, in a dysregulated state and the impact that
954
00:54:13.680 --> 00:54:17.720
that does to our physiology and my kids are, they love watching things.
955
00:54:17.720 --> 00:54:19.280
They learn through experience.
956
00:54:19.280 --> 00:54:22.960
If I had exposed them to things like that when they were younger or if we had experienced
957
00:54:22.960 --> 00:54:25.640
that, how different life would be today.
958
00:54:25.640 --> 00:54:29.160
And this ties into such a big topic, which I love.
959
00:54:29.160 --> 00:54:33.040
Would you say that you're healing journey ultimately became a spiritual experience for
960
00:54:33.040 --> 00:54:34.040
you?
961
00:54:34.040 --> 00:54:35.040
Because that's what it was for me.
962
00:54:35.040 --> 00:54:38.760
And the people who know me, a lot of my clients, I love you, who stayed with me the
963
00:54:38.760 --> 00:54:43.840
longest, they stay with me because the concept of the number on the scale or the six pack
964
00:54:43.840 --> 00:54:47.920
or whatever dissipated, they stepped into optimal health and what it meant to optimize
965
00:54:47.920 --> 00:54:48.920
the vessel.
966
00:54:48.920 --> 00:54:53.640
But then it became a spiritual journey and like trying to discover themselves and understanding
967
00:54:53.640 --> 00:54:56.880
their connection to consciousness and something that was so great.
968
00:54:56.880 --> 00:55:04.640
In case you're a bit about this massive concept, I'm with you 100% and my journey started
969
00:55:04.640 --> 00:55:09.840
as a mechanics journey where it was really about how do I hack my way to health and you
970
00:55:09.840 --> 00:55:15.640
know, I need to get all the wearable devices and I need to modify sleep and check my blood
971
00:55:15.640 --> 00:55:20.080
ketones in the morning and what's my fasting insulin and step on the scale and do all
972
00:55:20.080 --> 00:55:21.080
of that.
973
00:55:21.080 --> 00:55:24.640
And those tools are all really, really can be really helpful for creating, you know, when
974
00:55:24.720 --> 00:55:28.880
you're hiking on a mountain path, there's canes, there's like these piles of stones that
975
00:55:28.880 --> 00:55:30.120
keep you on your path.
976
00:55:30.120 --> 00:55:35.000
All of those little tools are like canes on your path, but they aren't the solution,
977
00:55:35.000 --> 00:55:38.000
they aren't the path themselves, they're just way markers.
978
00:55:38.000 --> 00:55:43.520
And I think for me, there's a big, there has been a big shift and it's ever evolving.
979
00:55:43.520 --> 00:55:46.800
My connection with horses and you mentioned something that's really beautiful, which is
980
00:55:46.800 --> 00:55:50.400
co-regulation because we are, we're co-regulating animals.
981
00:55:50.400 --> 00:55:53.880
We start by co-regulating in the womb with our mothers.
982
00:55:53.880 --> 00:55:56.440
We match our heart rate to her heart rate.
983
00:55:56.440 --> 00:55:59.640
We even match our microbiome to her microbiome.
984
00:55:59.640 --> 00:56:02.280
Our nervous system matches to her nervous system.
985
00:56:02.280 --> 00:56:06.640
And then we slowly, as we separate from our mother, we learn how to self-regulate.
986
00:56:06.640 --> 00:56:13.040
But we never lose the need to also co-regulate because we are, we are not solo animals.
987
00:56:13.040 --> 00:56:17.960
And I think that there's a spirituality in that and understanding that we can co-regulate
988
00:56:17.960 --> 00:56:26.640
not only with our partners or with our friends or with our family, but we can also co-regulate
989
00:56:26.640 --> 00:56:29.160
with animals.
990
00:56:29.160 --> 00:56:35.200
We can co-regulate with nature and understanding that everything in this world that we exist
991
00:56:35.200 --> 00:56:42.240
in has a resonance, there's a vibration to everything, whether it's a stone or it's
992
00:56:42.240 --> 00:56:47.360
a ripple of water, there's a vibration to everything and multiple vibrations.
993
00:56:47.360 --> 00:56:53.520
And we can, and that's this is where the spirituality in it for me really comes in, is when
994
00:56:53.520 --> 00:56:57.920
we can be observers of that resonance and then we can feel that resonance and then we
995
00:56:57.920 --> 00:57:02.400
can match our own resonance to that resonance or, you know, in scientific terms, our autonomic
996
00:57:02.400 --> 00:57:06.880
nervous system when we can co-regulate to that resonance, that's when we are, we're
997
00:57:06.880 --> 00:57:10.560
returning to being a part of nature and not apart from nature.
998
00:57:11.040 --> 00:57:14.320
You're making me think of this story because I agree with you and I really do think that
999
00:57:14.320 --> 00:57:19.840
the future of healing also, people are going to understand, you know, vibration and frequency
1000
00:57:19.840 --> 00:57:24.160
healing and ultimately how when we're doing all the practice that you, practices that you and I
1001
00:57:24.160 --> 00:57:28.240
have mentioned, we're shifting our frequency into a different state.
1002
00:57:28.240 --> 00:57:30.560
Our body functions differently.
1003
00:57:30.560 --> 00:57:35.040
The horse that you mentioned would probably never go to eat if it was in a disregulated state.
1004
00:57:35.040 --> 00:57:37.200
It would make sure it was safe first, right?
1005
00:57:37.200 --> 00:57:42.080
So when Elijah was born, my son, I always say like he was my gift to kind of teach me how to
1006
00:57:42.080 --> 00:57:47.680
love myself because healing felt very selfish. It felt like something was very external in protocols
1007
00:57:47.680 --> 00:57:51.360
and doing in a hard core, like the harder that I could go, the better I would do.
1008
00:57:51.360 --> 00:57:52.880
And that's what I was meant to do.
1009
00:57:52.880 --> 00:57:56.560
All of a sudden, when I was pregnant with my son, I was so terrified of having a miscarriage,
1010
00:57:56.560 --> 00:57:58.560
so I would be mindful of my thoughts.
1011
00:57:58.560 --> 00:58:02.480
And sure enough, when he was born, he was born by an emergency c-section.
1012
00:58:02.480 --> 00:58:06.560
There was a younger nurse who gave me the heated blanket, those metallic blankets and
1013
00:58:06.640 --> 00:58:11.120
my body was in shock. I was just shaking like, oh, teeth chattering, everything.
1014
00:58:11.120 --> 00:58:13.840
And finally, this older Jamaican woman, nurse, comes in.
1015
00:58:13.840 --> 00:58:15.280
She's like, give her her baby.
1016
00:58:15.280 --> 00:58:16.720
And so I brought him into my arms.
1017
00:58:16.720 --> 00:58:19.120
And within seconds, my body regulated.
1018
00:58:19.920 --> 00:58:22.000
It was him that I needed.
1019
00:58:22.000 --> 00:58:24.320
And we kind of regulated together.
1020
00:58:24.320 --> 00:58:27.840
And so that moment going through that experience is always the awareness like,
1021
00:58:27.840 --> 00:58:30.160
oh, you're out of, you're not regulated right now.
1022
00:58:30.160 --> 00:58:31.120
What do we need?
1023
00:58:31.120 --> 00:58:36.240
And I'm noticing with my kids also if they're worked out or overwhelmed or whatever it is,
1024
00:58:36.240 --> 00:58:37.440
it's just the regulation.
1025
00:58:37.440 --> 00:58:41.520
Like something about their frequency is asking for a change in their environment
1026
00:58:41.520 --> 00:58:44.640
or necessity within that we have to tune into.
1027
00:58:44.640 --> 00:58:47.120
And gosh, can we just do this at all?
1028
00:58:47.120 --> 00:58:48.640
I know. We really need to.
1029
00:58:48.640 --> 00:58:51.760
We need to, like, we really have to return that idea.
1030
00:58:51.760 --> 00:58:56.640
And think about the resonance, that whole idea of even heartbeat, breathing.
1031
00:58:56.640 --> 00:58:59.360
Those are like the, those are the sort of the biggest ones.
1032
00:58:59.360 --> 00:59:02.480
But then there's the energetic resonance that we're not even aware of.
1033
00:59:02.480 --> 00:59:04.000
And you mentioned something at the beginning.
1034
00:59:04.000 --> 00:59:07.360
And also shout out to Elijah who's an incredibly cool kid.
1035
00:59:07.360 --> 00:59:09.360
And like just an amazing young human.
1036
00:59:09.360 --> 00:59:14.640
And in spite of that shocking introduction to the world, it's a testament to how
1037
00:59:14.640 --> 00:59:18.000
because there's nothing, first of all, there's nothing more traumatic than being born.
1038
00:59:18.000 --> 00:59:21.200
And then you have emergency C section and being separated from your mother.
1039
00:59:21.200 --> 00:59:25.840
Like those are like major traumatic experiences that all humans go through a version of that.
1040
00:59:25.840 --> 00:59:30.640
But being able to then learn how to co-regulate, come back into self.
1041
00:59:30.720 --> 00:59:33.040
You know, he's a really, really cool kid.
1042
00:59:33.040 --> 00:59:36.800
He's a sweet kid and he's got like an incredible energy to him.
1043
00:59:36.800 --> 00:59:39.280
And I mean, he is, he's really great.
1044
00:59:39.280 --> 00:59:42.960
Of course, you said something to the beginning of what you were saying,
1045
00:59:42.960 --> 00:59:47.680
that really, really resonated with me, which was when you,
1046
00:59:48.640 --> 00:59:51.840
like a horse that we're talking about the horse, if he's in a sympathetic state,
1047
00:59:51.840 --> 00:59:54.240
that flight or flight state, he's not going to be able to eat,
1048
00:59:54.240 --> 00:59:55.760
not going to think about eating.
1049
00:59:55.760 --> 01:00:03.520
That I think is one of the biggest issues and biggest causes of ill health in our society today
1050
01:00:03.520 --> 01:00:08.480
is that we are in a chronic state of sympathetic nervous system overdrive.
1051
01:00:08.480 --> 01:00:14.160
And what actually happens in our bodies, when we go into a sympathetic state, when the sympathetic
1052
01:00:14.160 --> 01:00:20.160
nervous system takes over, blood is shunted from the digestive system is shunted from the organs
1053
01:00:20.160 --> 01:00:25.680
to the soft tissues, the muscles, so that we can do those superhuman things to get us away.
1054
01:00:26.320 --> 01:00:31.120
Whatever the car crash, the line, whatever, whatever, whatever the real threat is.
1055
01:00:31.120 --> 01:00:33.280
And when that happens, we can't digest.
1056
01:00:33.280 --> 01:00:37.200
If you think about like, and a horse in a sympathetic state,
1057
01:00:37.200 --> 01:00:42.000
it's not going to think about stopping to eat, and it wouldn't be able to.
1058
01:00:42.000 --> 01:00:48.400
So therefore, it doesn't need circulation, blood flow, oxygen going to its organs for digestion.
1059
01:00:48.960 --> 01:00:52.880
And as soon as it's out of that state and it's back in safety,
1060
01:00:52.880 --> 01:00:56.320
it comes back into a parasympathetic rest of my gestate, and then it can eat,
1061
01:00:56.320 --> 01:00:59.120
and it can digest, and it can get nutrients from the food that is eating.
1062
01:00:59.120 --> 01:01:05.040
But because we have so many inputs that are constantly putting us into a sympathetic state
1063
01:01:05.040 --> 01:01:08.720
over and over and over again, and our nervous system becomes sticky, it's not,
1064
01:01:08.720 --> 01:01:13.520
it should glide easily in and out of sympathetic to, you know, parasympathetic to sympathetic,
1065
01:01:13.520 --> 01:01:17.040
oh no, I'm okay, you know, and said we're like constantly doing this.
1066
01:01:17.040 --> 01:01:20.880
We're constantly being jolted into that sympathetic state.
1067
01:01:20.960 --> 01:01:25.840
And as a result, we, so many of us end up with, I mean, I think that that's a big
1068
01:01:25.840 --> 01:01:33.120
driver of obesity, honestly, metabolic dysfunction, gut dysfunction, gut dysbiosis,
1069
01:01:33.120 --> 01:01:36.960
all of those things, really because we are getting so locked into that sympathetic state
1070
01:01:36.960 --> 01:01:39.760
over and over and over again. So I just wanted to touch on that.
1071
01:01:39.760 --> 01:01:40.560
Yeah, I love that.
1072
01:01:40.560 --> 01:01:41.360
I brought that up.
1073
01:01:41.360 --> 01:01:47.040
But that whole idea of co-regulation and the fact that Elijah was able to also be the co-regulator
1074
01:01:47.360 --> 01:01:53.280
to you, we, it's not that we are scared to put that responsibility on our children,
1075
01:01:53.280 --> 01:01:57.680
but it's beautiful to be aware of the fact that our children are also part of our own medicine
1076
01:01:57.680 --> 01:01:58.240
journey.
1077
01:01:58.240 --> 01:02:00.400
Yeah, oh, absolutely.
1078
01:02:00.400 --> 01:02:04.080
And holding them close is as good for us as it is for them.
1079
01:02:04.080 --> 01:02:04.880
I agree.
1080
01:02:04.880 --> 01:02:09.040
And you mentioned autism earlier, I work with a client who has an autistic daughter,
1081
01:02:09.040 --> 01:02:12.080
and she's like, that little girl is doing God's work.
1082
01:02:12.080 --> 01:02:12.880
Of course.
1083
01:02:12.880 --> 01:02:13.680
Yeah, she's virtual.
1084
01:02:13.680 --> 01:02:14.400
That's the spiritual idea.
1085
01:02:14.400 --> 01:02:15.200
Yeah.
1086
01:02:15.200 --> 01:02:18.480
So for listeners, you know, when we think about this dysregulated state,
1087
01:02:18.480 --> 01:02:22.080
it's being such a driver for frequency and imbalances within the body.
1088
01:02:22.080 --> 01:02:25.440
For many of us, really, yeah, stress is not going anywhere anytime soon.
1089
01:02:25.440 --> 01:02:26.640
Like life is stressful.
1090
01:02:26.640 --> 01:02:29.680
I'm looking at a lot of things, but we've mentioned some things.
1091
01:02:29.680 --> 01:02:31.520
I have to disagree with that.
1092
01:02:31.520 --> 01:02:32.720
Let's do that. Go there, please.
1093
01:02:32.720 --> 01:02:33.520
It's a choice.
1094
01:02:33.520 --> 01:02:35.920
Funny because Dr. Zach Busch was here earlier too.
1095
01:02:35.920 --> 01:02:38.320
Yeah, he had a completely change of lens also.
1096
01:02:38.320 --> 01:02:40.160
So let's talk about the fact that it's a choice.
1097
01:02:40.160 --> 01:02:41.280
It's a choice.
1098
01:02:41.280 --> 01:02:42.960
Everything in life is a choice.
1099
01:02:43.040 --> 01:02:45.760
The relationships we are in are a choice.
1100
01:02:45.760 --> 01:02:48.000
They're not includes not just the relationships we have with people,
1101
01:02:48.000 --> 01:02:49.760
but the relationships that we have with ourselves,
1102
01:02:49.760 --> 01:02:52.400
with our environment, with the foods that we eat,
1103
01:02:52.400 --> 01:02:55.520
with the way we breathe, with the water we consume.
1104
01:02:55.520 --> 01:02:57.440
They're all choices.
1105
01:02:57.440 --> 01:03:02.000
And so many of us get comfortable and identify with being in a stress state.
1106
01:03:02.000 --> 01:03:02.400
Yeah.
1107
01:03:02.400 --> 01:03:04.720
The number of times that I talk to people,
1108
01:03:04.720 --> 01:03:05.200
like, how are you doing?
1109
01:03:05.200 --> 01:03:05.680
Oh, I'm good.
1110
01:03:05.680 --> 01:03:06.720
I'm so busy.
1111
01:03:06.720 --> 01:03:07.680
I'm so busy.
1112
01:03:07.680 --> 01:03:08.960
Yeah, like it's an emotion.
1113
01:03:08.960 --> 01:03:10.080
Yeah, exactly like it.
1114
01:03:10.080 --> 01:03:11.520
Like busy is an emotion, exactly.
1115
01:03:11.520 --> 01:03:12.000
Yeah.
1116
01:03:12.080 --> 01:03:15.360
And I think it's really hard when you're in it
1117
01:03:15.360 --> 01:03:17.840
to feel like it's a choice that you're choosing,
1118
01:03:17.840 --> 01:03:19.920
but I guarantee you do a fast too.
1119
01:03:19.920 --> 01:03:23.520
I mean, that's like, and the fast may not necessarily be a food fast too.
1120
01:03:23.520 --> 01:03:27.760
The fast could be like, let me do a fast from this project that I'm working on.
1121
01:03:27.760 --> 01:03:31.360
Let me do a fast from this group of people that I
1122
01:03:31.360 --> 01:03:34.240
always am communicating with that I don't feel good with afterwards.
1123
01:03:34.240 --> 01:03:36.720
Because in the same way, once you start to,
1124
01:03:36.720 --> 01:03:40.080
once you start to reassess your relationship with food,
1125
01:03:40.080 --> 01:03:41.600
you realize, oh, these foods,
1126
01:03:41.600 --> 01:03:43.040
I don't feel great when I eat these foods.
1127
01:03:43.040 --> 01:03:44.160
In fact, I don't think I want them.
1128
01:03:44.160 --> 01:03:45.280
Same thing happens with people.
1129
01:03:45.280 --> 01:03:47.760
Like, I don't feel great when I'm around these people
1130
01:03:47.760 --> 01:03:48.720
and that goes to residents.
1131
01:03:48.720 --> 01:03:51.200
Like this person is not necessarily resonating with me
1132
01:03:51.200 --> 01:03:52.880
or I don't feel good residents around them.
1133
01:03:52.880 --> 01:03:55.840
You might want to choose not to spend as much time with that person.
1134
01:03:55.840 --> 01:03:57.200
And it's, I don't mean to be tried
1135
01:03:57.200 --> 01:03:59.520
because it's everybody has really, really,
1136
01:03:59.520 --> 01:04:00.800
everyone's got challenging lives.
1137
01:04:00.800 --> 01:04:02.080
That's the nature of being human.
1138
01:04:02.080 --> 01:04:03.760
But there is a choice.
1139
01:04:03.760 --> 01:04:06.160
And I think too often we identify
1140
01:04:06.160 --> 01:04:09.280
with this stressed version of ourselves.
1141
01:04:09.280 --> 01:04:11.120
That's why we have to have these conversations
1142
01:04:11.200 --> 01:04:14.240
because otherwise busy and insanely busy and stressed
1143
01:04:14.240 --> 01:04:15.600
just becomes the norm.
1144
01:04:15.600 --> 01:04:16.400
Right?
1145
01:04:16.400 --> 01:04:17.920
So that's a really great reframe.
1146
01:04:17.920 --> 01:04:20.160
Reframe, what are you choosing every day?
1147
01:04:20.160 --> 01:04:22.160
Is it a choice that you can change?
1148
01:04:22.160 --> 01:04:24.240
Something else, another concept that I've working on
1149
01:04:24.240 --> 01:04:25.840
that I've been working with my clients is,
1150
01:04:25.840 --> 01:04:27.760
you know, the lens that you have on, right?
1151
01:04:27.760 --> 01:04:29.760
If you're living in the lens of, I'm sick,
1152
01:04:29.760 --> 01:04:32.560
I'm overweight, I can't change, I can't do any better.
1153
01:04:32.560 --> 01:04:35.200
What would happen if you just tried to change the lens for the day?
1154
01:04:35.200 --> 01:04:36.000
Just try on.
1155
01:04:36.000 --> 01:04:38.240
What would it be like to make a different decision that day?
1156
01:04:38.720 --> 01:04:41.920
Or maybe, you know, it might feel like you're being strict with yourself
1157
01:04:41.920 --> 01:04:45.280
but setting boundaries on the biggest areas in your life
1158
01:04:45.280 --> 01:04:47.200
that are causing you the most harm or discomfort.
1159
01:04:48.160 --> 01:04:48.880
Yeah, I agree.
1160
01:04:48.880 --> 01:04:50.640
And I think the probably the biggest one for most people
1161
01:04:50.640 --> 01:04:51.680
is their telephone.
1162
01:04:51.680 --> 01:04:52.480
Yeah.
1163
01:04:52.480 --> 01:04:54.240
They're their phone.
1164
01:04:54.240 --> 01:04:55.440
It's not a telephone anymore.
1165
01:04:55.440 --> 01:04:56.640
It needs to be a telephone.
1166
01:04:56.640 --> 01:04:59.280
If only it were a telephone, it would be a lot better.
1167
01:04:59.280 --> 01:05:02.080
Creating some boundaries around the phone is a huge thing.
1168
01:05:02.720 --> 01:05:04.880
And I don't think enough people really understand.
1169
01:05:04.960 --> 01:05:09.360
Or they may conceptually understand that the phone is a key driver of anxiety
1170
01:05:09.360 --> 01:05:12.560
but they don't understand just how much that's true.
1171
01:05:12.560 --> 01:05:16.560
It's not just the content that they're consuming.
1172
01:05:16.560 --> 01:05:21.200
It's the way in which the phone is constantly requiring a new energy reset
1173
01:05:21.200 --> 01:05:23.520
and a new attention reset over and over and over again.
1174
01:05:23.520 --> 01:05:25.280
And we have it on ourselves.
1175
01:05:25.280 --> 01:05:28.720
It's not even to mention to go into like the EMF waves
1176
01:05:28.720 --> 01:05:30.560
and we don't know what that does to us.
1177
01:05:31.440 --> 01:05:34.880
And my main concern with like electromagnetic frequency
1178
01:05:34.880 --> 01:05:37.360
is how does it affect our brain waves?
1179
01:05:37.360 --> 01:05:40.960
How does it affect, you know, is it putting us into a beta state?
1180
01:05:40.960 --> 01:05:42.880
Like is it putting what state is it putting us into?
1181
01:05:42.880 --> 01:05:44.560
How is it affecting our brain waves?
1182
01:05:44.560 --> 01:05:49.200
So, you know, I'd rather not worry myself about getting married in the science.
1183
01:05:49.200 --> 01:05:51.840
Like, well, just let me create some boundaries with my phone.
1184
01:05:51.840 --> 01:05:54.640
I don't look at it after seven o'clock in the evening.
1185
01:05:54.640 --> 01:05:57.360
I don't look at it until eight o'clock in the morning.
1186
01:05:57.360 --> 01:05:58.240
You know, things like that.
1187
01:05:58.320 --> 01:06:02.160
Not only do I not look at it, it's turned off and it's away from me.
1188
01:06:02.160 --> 01:06:05.680
And then creating again, just like fasting fast from the phone.
1189
01:06:05.680 --> 01:06:07.200
Can I do, what can I do today?
1190
01:06:07.200 --> 01:06:09.920
Can I go on a hike this morning without my phone?
1191
01:06:09.920 --> 01:06:10.560
Yeah.
1192
01:06:10.560 --> 01:06:11.760
Little things like that.
1193
01:06:11.760 --> 01:06:12.960
I forgot my phone on Sunday.
1194
01:06:12.960 --> 01:06:14.000
It was such a gift.
1195
01:06:14.000 --> 01:06:15.200
It was amazing.
1196
01:06:15.200 --> 01:06:16.000
Yeah, he's a gift.
1197
01:06:16.000 --> 01:06:17.600
Science or not, I'm with you.
1198
01:06:17.600 --> 01:06:20.560
Everyone here has experience being sold to, right?
1199
01:06:20.560 --> 01:06:22.800
Whatever you're talking about around your phone,
1200
01:06:22.800 --> 01:06:26.240
two seconds later, you're getting pop-ups for whatever that topic was.
1201
01:06:26.240 --> 01:06:26.800
Yep.
1202
01:06:26.880 --> 01:06:29.440
So, like, be aware of that and be mindful.
1203
01:06:29.440 --> 01:06:30.800
Let's shift the algorithm, right?
1204
01:06:30.800 --> 01:06:32.080
Talk more about spirituality.
1205
01:06:32.080 --> 01:06:32.880
Give me quotes on.
1206
01:06:32.880 --> 01:06:33.840
Yeah, exactly.
1207
01:06:33.840 --> 01:06:35.440
And healing and regenerative.
1208
01:06:35.440 --> 01:06:38.240
Just Alan Watts, Ron Dawson, do your phone over and over again.
1209
01:06:38.240 --> 01:06:39.200
Yeah.
1210
01:06:39.200 --> 01:06:40.640
Let's reset the algorithm to the other.
1211
01:06:40.640 --> 01:06:41.120
Oh, my gosh.
1212
01:06:41.120 --> 01:06:41.920
So much time has gone by.
1213
01:06:41.920 --> 01:06:43.280
We haven't even talked about food.
1214
01:06:43.280 --> 01:06:45.200
I'm sitting with one of the world's best chef.
1215
01:06:45.200 --> 01:06:47.680
God, if this world could just experience your cooking.
1216
01:06:47.680 --> 01:06:48.800
Oh, thank you.
1217
01:06:48.800 --> 01:06:49.280
Thank you.
1218
01:06:49.280 --> 01:06:51.440
Actually, you can, I have a meal delivery toast.
1219
01:06:51.440 --> 01:06:52.560
I'm just here again.
1220
01:06:52.560 --> 01:06:55.440
Okay, so first we're going to talk about your book and everything
1221
01:06:55.440 --> 01:06:56.400
that you've included in there.
1222
01:06:56.400 --> 01:06:58.960
The fact that food is medicine is the foundation
1223
01:06:58.960 --> 01:07:00.960
where the food comes from is pillar.
1224
01:07:00.960 --> 01:07:01.200
Yeah.
1225
01:07:01.200 --> 01:07:03.840
You make food looks simple.
1226
01:07:03.840 --> 01:07:05.840
You have so many recipes that for somebody,
1227
01:07:05.840 --> 01:07:07.840
a nutritionist that doesn't love cooking,
1228
01:07:07.840 --> 01:07:09.760
I find them really easy to follow.
1229
01:07:09.760 --> 01:07:11.200
I think that it's for love and your energy
1230
01:07:11.200 --> 01:07:12.720
that goes into a lot of things also.
1231
01:07:12.720 --> 01:07:14.480
It's so just trying to understand that it doesn't,
1232
01:07:14.480 --> 01:07:15.840
you don't need to overcomplicate things.
1233
01:07:15.840 --> 01:07:16.560
Absolutely.
1234
01:07:16.560 --> 01:07:19.280
So can you just share about the inspiration behind that
1235
01:07:19.280 --> 01:07:21.680
and like some of the recipes, everything's colorful.
1236
01:07:21.680 --> 01:07:23.360
So we're talking about frequency today.
1237
01:07:23.360 --> 01:07:24.400
Everything is colorful.
1238
01:07:24.480 --> 01:07:25.520
Everything is simple.
1239
01:07:25.520 --> 01:07:27.120
The ingredients are super tangible
1240
01:07:27.120 --> 01:07:28.720
despite being one of the world's best chefs.
1241
01:07:28.720 --> 01:07:29.920
Talk to us about the inspiration
1242
01:07:29.920 --> 01:07:32.800
and like the, you really put it in a cadence
1243
01:07:32.800 --> 01:07:34.560
that was easy for people to follow.
1244
01:07:34.560 --> 01:07:38.160
So although it's a healing food cookbook,
1245
01:07:38.160 --> 01:07:39.120
it doesn't feel that way.
1246
01:07:39.120 --> 01:07:41.200
It's something that I want to keep out for everyone to see.
1247
01:07:41.200 --> 01:07:42.480
Yeah, well, that's, I mean, that's,
1248
01:07:42.480 --> 01:07:43.200
thank you so much.
1249
01:07:43.200 --> 01:07:46.320
That's really, I will take all the confidence.
1250
01:07:46.320 --> 01:07:46.800
It feels great.
1251
01:07:47.840 --> 01:07:50.400
I just like with this whole idea of frequency,
1252
01:07:50.400 --> 01:07:52.000
another word I love is vibrancy.
1253
01:07:52.000 --> 01:07:53.440
I think food should be vibrant.
1254
01:07:53.440 --> 01:07:55.360
We eat with all of our senses.
1255
01:07:55.360 --> 01:07:57.680
When you're cooking, you hear the food cooking.
1256
01:07:57.680 --> 01:07:59.680
Like that's something that I try to always,
1257
01:07:59.680 --> 01:08:01.200
even when I was like a young cook
1258
01:08:01.200 --> 01:08:03.760
and I didn't really understand anything about health,
1259
01:08:03.760 --> 01:08:04.800
I was just focused on,
1260
01:08:04.800 --> 01:08:07.440
I want to be the best technical cook I can.
1261
01:08:07.440 --> 01:08:09.680
I would always teach the cooks I worked with
1262
01:08:09.680 --> 01:08:11.520
that we cook with all of our senses.
1263
01:08:11.520 --> 01:08:14.480
You smell, you touch, you taste, you listen.
1264
01:08:14.480 --> 01:08:16.480
That's really, really important listening.
1265
01:08:16.480 --> 01:08:18.160
That's like one that we forget about that.
1266
01:08:18.160 --> 01:08:20.480
There's a sound of cooking, the sound of like
1267
01:08:20.480 --> 01:08:24.240
when you put a stake into the pan and you hear that sizzle.
1268
01:08:24.240 --> 01:08:25.520
Like that's a real sound.
1269
01:08:25.520 --> 01:08:27.200
When you crack a carrot with a knife,
1270
01:08:27.200 --> 01:08:28.320
that's a real sound.
1271
01:08:28.320 --> 01:08:30.240
And it's a unique sound that is,
1272
01:08:30.240 --> 01:08:33.440
that is literally specific to that very activity.
1273
01:08:33.440 --> 01:08:35.760
And it elicits a memory.
1274
01:08:36.480 --> 01:08:38.480
You know, there, we have so many,
1275
01:08:38.480 --> 01:08:40.800
such a powerful relationship with food.
1276
01:08:40.800 --> 01:08:42.480
Just thinking about food,
1277
01:08:42.480 --> 01:08:44.320
we start to digest food.
1278
01:08:44.320 --> 01:08:45.920
You know, if you, if you think about,
1279
01:08:45.920 --> 01:08:47.600
I ask you to think about closing your eyes
1280
01:08:47.840 --> 01:08:51.360
and biting into the juiciest, most incredible lemon.
1281
01:08:52.560 --> 01:08:53.520
You've heard this before.
1282
01:08:53.520 --> 01:08:54.800
I knew you were going to say that.
1283
01:08:54.800 --> 01:08:55.360
Because I've done that.
1284
01:08:55.360 --> 01:08:56.320
I've been doing this for years.
1285
01:08:56.320 --> 01:08:57.440
It always works.
1286
01:08:57.440 --> 01:08:59.440
Maybe you feel at the back of your palate
1287
01:08:59.440 --> 01:09:00.640
and the sides of your tongue,
1288
01:09:01.680 --> 01:09:02.480
you start salivating.
1289
01:09:03.280 --> 01:09:04.960
And what most people don't really
1290
01:09:04.960 --> 01:09:07.040
realize is those are digestive enzymes.
1291
01:09:07.040 --> 01:09:09.280
That's where the digestive process begins.
1292
01:09:09.920 --> 01:09:12.960
And it's also part of why acidity is such an important part of food
1293
01:09:12.960 --> 01:09:15.920
because it helps to stimulate digestion.
1294
01:09:16.000 --> 01:09:17.040
Chewing mindfully.
1295
01:09:17.040 --> 01:09:19.280
Just being present with food is such an important thing.
1296
01:09:19.280 --> 01:09:20.320
And it's easier to do
1297
01:09:21.040 --> 01:09:25.040
when you take a moment to really appreciate what you're eating.
1298
01:09:25.040 --> 01:09:27.840
And that's easier to, when your eating is actually
1299
01:09:27.840 --> 01:09:28.880
really beautiful and delicious.
1300
01:09:29.760 --> 01:09:32.240
So, you know, there's some basic tenets
1301
01:09:32.240 --> 01:09:33.840
when it comes to a relationship with food
1302
01:09:33.840 --> 01:09:35.920
that are non-negotiables for me.
1303
01:09:35.920 --> 01:09:37.280
Knowing what those ingredients are
1304
01:09:37.280 --> 01:09:39.040
is at the most base level.
1305
01:09:39.040 --> 01:09:41.280
And I think that that's really, really fundamentally important.
1306
01:09:41.280 --> 01:09:42.880
Just know what you're cooking with.
1307
01:09:42.880 --> 01:09:44.720
Have a sense as to where it comes from
1308
01:09:44.800 --> 01:09:47.920
and where it's, where it is somewhat Indigenous too
1309
01:09:47.920 --> 01:09:50.960
because there is no such thing as really being Indigenous to any,
1310
01:09:50.960 --> 01:09:52.960
anywhere because we are, we are nomads
1311
01:09:52.960 --> 01:09:55.440
and our food, our food is nomadic too.
1312
01:09:56.000 --> 01:09:58.400
It transcends any kind of border and culture.
1313
01:09:58.400 --> 01:10:01.440
And then, you know, really trying to balance it,
1314
01:10:01.440 --> 01:10:04.960
I remember having a chef once who taught me
1315
01:10:04.960 --> 01:10:07.200
that food is like four points on a compass
1316
01:10:07.200 --> 01:10:09.600
and make sure you have, you know, you have acidity
1317
01:10:09.600 --> 01:10:11.920
and you have saltiness and you have some sweetness,
1318
01:10:11.920 --> 01:10:13.680
inherent sweetness in it.
1319
01:10:13.760 --> 01:10:16.160
And all of those things are, you have some fatiness.
1320
01:10:16.160 --> 01:10:17.280
That's really, really important.
1321
01:10:17.280 --> 01:10:20.080
But then, texture and crunch, again, we eat with,
1322
01:10:20.080 --> 01:10:22.160
when you're eating, that sound of a carrot
1323
01:10:22.160 --> 01:10:24.720
or a celery in your ear that you hear inside your head
1324
01:10:24.720 --> 01:10:28.160
is really, really unique to your experience with food.
1325
01:10:28.160 --> 01:10:30.400
And food isn't nostalgic.
1326
01:10:30.400 --> 01:10:30.800
Yeah.
1327
01:10:30.800 --> 01:10:34.000
So having, you know, digging up family recipes
1328
01:10:34.000 --> 01:10:35.600
and maybe they weren't the healthiest family recipes
1329
01:10:35.600 --> 01:10:37.600
but cleaning them up can be great.
1330
01:10:37.600 --> 01:10:38.400
Which is doable.
1331
01:10:38.400 --> 01:10:41.120
Yeah, and so, yeah, I know, food's really great.
1332
01:10:41.360 --> 01:10:44.080
It's a really wonderful part of being human
1333
01:10:44.080 --> 01:10:45.520
because we do have a relationship with food.
1334
01:10:45.520 --> 01:10:47.760
It's very different from other animals' relationships
1335
01:10:47.760 --> 01:10:48.400
with food.
1336
01:10:48.400 --> 01:10:49.520
It is cultural.
1337
01:10:49.520 --> 01:10:51.920
It is in many ways the language of culture.
1338
01:10:51.920 --> 01:10:54.400
It's the first thing that whenever you go to a new place
1339
01:10:54.400 --> 01:10:56.160
that anyone wants to show you that they're proud of
1340
01:10:56.160 --> 01:10:56.880
is their food.
1341
01:10:58.000 --> 01:10:59.120
It is so important.
1342
01:10:59.120 --> 01:11:02.320
And we live in a land of abundance in so many ways
1343
01:11:02.320 --> 01:11:03.840
and getting back to that idea of choice.
1344
01:11:03.840 --> 01:11:06.640
We can choose the foods that we can really choose.
1345
01:11:06.640 --> 01:11:07.440
Good foods.
1346
01:11:07.440 --> 01:11:08.240
Yeah.
1347
01:11:08.240 --> 01:11:09.280
I love that you brought up.
1348
01:11:09.360 --> 01:11:12.160
Just being curious about where your food comes from also.
1349
01:11:12.160 --> 01:11:15.200
Something I pray for is recognizing farmers
1350
01:11:15.200 --> 01:11:16.560
that has our first line of defense
1351
01:11:16.560 --> 01:11:18.480
when it comes to our health care in the future.
1352
01:11:18.480 --> 01:11:20.880
And then just, we're so far from that.
1353
01:11:20.880 --> 01:11:24.000
So I started showing my kids just videos of how
1354
01:11:24.000 --> 01:11:25.120
some foods are grown.
1355
01:11:25.120 --> 01:11:27.120
And it gets them really in touch
1356
01:11:27.120 --> 01:11:29.440
with kind of the miracle of food.
1357
01:11:29.440 --> 01:11:30.560
And as you're speaking, I thought,
1358
01:11:30.560 --> 01:11:32.240
oh my gosh, we should show them videos
1359
01:11:32.240 --> 01:11:35.520
of amazing chefs cooking and like the love affair
1360
01:11:35.520 --> 01:11:37.040
that goes into that, right?
1361
01:11:37.040 --> 01:11:38.960
Because I think that kids are just so disconnected.
1362
01:11:39.120 --> 01:11:40.480
But one eats so much more than pasta
1363
01:11:40.480 --> 01:11:42.240
and chicken nuggets and like the staples
1364
01:11:42.240 --> 01:11:43.840
won't say finally either get a taste
1365
01:11:43.840 --> 01:11:46.080
or they feel inspired by something else.
1366
01:11:46.080 --> 01:11:47.280
And if they even get them cooking,
1367
01:11:47.280 --> 01:11:49.280
and I cook with our kids all the time,
1368
01:11:49.280 --> 01:11:50.960
and they love, they love to help.
1369
01:11:50.960 --> 01:11:51.800
They love to cook.
1370
01:11:51.800 --> 01:11:54.480
And even things that they might have been
1371
01:11:54.480 --> 01:11:56.200
somewhat apprehensive about eating.
1372
01:11:56.200 --> 01:11:58.240
If they've participated in making it,
1373
01:11:58.240 --> 01:11:59.360
totally changing the suddenly,
1374
01:11:59.360 --> 01:12:00.720
if they appreciate and love things
1375
01:12:00.720 --> 01:12:03.120
that they wouldn't otherwise love, yeah.
1376
01:12:03.120 --> 01:12:04.880
And tell us how people can eat your food.
1377
01:12:04.880 --> 01:12:06.520
So if you go to my website,
1378
01:12:06.520 --> 01:12:08.280
which is shamelessmollon.com,
1379
01:12:08.280 --> 01:12:09.800
there's a link there for real food heels,
1380
01:12:09.800 --> 01:12:12.520
or you can go to shamelessmollon.com slash real food heels.
1381
01:12:12.520 --> 01:12:14.520
And you can order directly from,
1382
01:12:14.520 --> 01:12:16.680
it's their prepared meals.
1383
01:12:16.680 --> 01:12:19.400
They're shipped twice a week fresh, never frozen.
1384
01:12:19.400 --> 01:12:21.240
And all really, really delicious,
1385
01:12:21.240 --> 01:12:22.360
vibrant, healthy food.
1386
01:12:22.360 --> 01:12:24.600
So you can get it at home nationwide.
1387
01:12:24.600 --> 01:12:25.480
Incredible.
1388
01:12:25.480 --> 01:12:26.200
Yeah.
1389
01:12:26.200 --> 01:12:27.560
I'm just so happy.
1390
01:12:27.560 --> 01:12:28.280
Thank you so much.
1391
01:12:28.280 --> 01:12:28.760
Oh my god.
1392
01:12:28.760 --> 01:12:29.400
Thank you.
1393
01:12:29.400 --> 01:12:29.560
Thank you.
1394
01:12:29.560 --> 01:12:30.040
Thank you.
1395
01:12:30.040 --> 01:12:30.200
Thank you.
1396
01:12:30.200 --> 01:12:31.000
I could talk to you for hours.
1397
01:12:31.000 --> 01:12:31.640
There's a lot more.
1398
01:12:31.640 --> 01:12:33.480
I have to we'll do episode two.
1399
01:12:33.480 --> 01:12:34.680
Yeah, because there's so much more
1400
01:12:34.680 --> 01:12:35.640
that we can talk about.
1401
01:12:35.640 --> 01:12:37.080
So rapid fire questions.
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Yeah.
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What's one way that you think that people
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are making healing and health too complicated?
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OK.
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Making healing health too complicated.
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Looking at the data.
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Looking at the data.
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Oh, instead of, instead of trusting how they feel.
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Oh, I love that.
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What's your favorite ancient healing remedy?
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Ancient healing, bone broth.
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Ah, good one.
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And if there's something about modern medicine
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that excites you, what would it be?
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It would be the confluence of ancient wisdom
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and modern technology.
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Mm.
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I'm going to let that welcome to the right place.
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Exactly.
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And if you could leave, tell our listeners,
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what are you most excited about in the future?
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What are you looking forward to?
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I love that the conversation around health
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and nutrition is front and center now.
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And more and more people are paying attention to it.
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I love that it seems as though the conventional
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old guard of medicine is opening up to Asia wisdom.
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And I don't, you know, I love when I can talk to a neurologist
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and they're like, oh, yeah, I get it.
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Like, meditation is actually a really important thing
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for neuropathy, you know, and to hear that.
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That's that really gives me, um, gives me hope.
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And when I, when I hear from rheumatologists asking me
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for, for helping guidance around food, in fact,
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I've, I helped a small cohort, um, at UCSF
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with a pilot program that we started like five years ago
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for ulcerative colitis for a small group of people
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with ulcerative colitis, just following a food protocol.
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And 85% of the cohort, which is like, it wasn't a huge group,
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but it was enough that it was significant.
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It was like 60 people, 85% completely not off
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of their medication within six months,
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but just changing the way they're eating.
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So it's, it's, um, you know, it, I have a lot of hope
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that when we start to, to reevaluate our relationship
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with how we do life, yeah, that so many of the issues
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of chronic illness that unfortunately,
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we're exporting out to the greater world
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because it really, a lot of it comes from, from this industrialized
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food complex we have in the US.
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There's so many people that are suffering unnecessarily.
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Yeah.
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And bandaid pharmacological solutions are not solutions.
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They're interventions that can have a place,
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but they are not a long-term solution.
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And we all have to remember that, you know,
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we have the ability to heal ourselves.
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Our bodies are incredible.
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As I said before, homeostasis seeking machines.
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We just have to get out of the way.
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And, you know, maybe look for the right teachers
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and keys to help unlock that pharmacy.
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I couldn't agree more.
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You're such a perfect spokesperson to be doing this work.
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I think that you're not only redefining health,
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you're redefining what healthy eating
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and what health food is.
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And knowing you personally, your mission is really driven
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by a desire to help people heal.
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And that comes off like it really does.
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Thank you.
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So thank you for the work that you do.
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I'm so excited for the year ahead.
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I'm so excited to have you back on.
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And we're going to link it to everything below,
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so people can stay connected to you.
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What you're doing. Thank you.
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Thanks, Mona.