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This has been an interesting week. There have
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been a lot of things going on in the world of
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podcasting. There have been a lot of things going
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on in my own podcasting journey. I had two conversations
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with people for this episode that were supposed
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to be quick and succinct but working within the
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podcasting industry we obviously went on for
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a lot longer than intended. I will come back
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at the end of it all with a quick summary of
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what I've done during this week. I'm Martin Quabelle,
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and this is Pods Like Us Chronicles. On Monday,
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the 29th of June, I decided that I would try
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and record the discussion with Tobeloba Suleiman
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again, hoping that the sound quality would be
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better than the previous time. I've done a little
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bit of noise cancelling and other things with
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the actual file and I'm hoping that this will
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be better for you all and that you will get more
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from it because of that. What was your inspiration
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for creating OTRANS? The main inspiration for
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creating OTRANS came from my own problems. The
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problems I was facing at the time. As a student,
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I have a lot of recordings that I don't have
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time to transcribe. Some of them come in languages
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like Yoruba, Hausa, and Nigerian languages. The
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main tools that are popular today, available
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to use, which includes Otter, Rez, Alphys, they
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don't understand those languages. So it was a
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real hassle for me. So I just had to like, I
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felt like it was something I could do. So when
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I reached that solution, I was like, oh, that's
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meant to also benefit from this. And I made it
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a web app and published it. So. That's all my
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main inspiration. I faced some problems. I felt
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like I could solve it. Then I thought, then I
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should use it. That's great. So you have created
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OTRANS as this incredible transcription service
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for all of these different African -based languages
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like Pidgin and Nigerian, and you'll probably
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get to things like Luganda and things like that
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as well, eventually, I'm guessing. Yes. How did
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you then decide to actually put the software
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out there? Because you've made it available for
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everybody, haven't you? Yes, I have. So first
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off, I intended to make it a mobile app. But
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at the time, I felt like linking it to a website
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would make it more accessible for everybody.
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So that was what I did. And using the following
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I have on all my social media handles, I advertised
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and just did organic marketing to get the word
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out that there is a tool that solves this problem.
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And I have been actively communicating with it.
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If I know that, yes, it is actually done. Plans
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have been made to upgrade the app and to make
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it a proper cover. For now, it is available and
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it's sourced. No, it wasn't meant to be sourced.
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That's brilliant. Another interesting thing about
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this is with your approachability where through
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Substack and other sources of online media you've
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been able to push the product really well I believe
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with your update post that you keep putting up
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on Substack and all of these places to let people
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know how it's advancing. I think that's really
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good. But also the fact that I found it interesting
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when I read last week on one of your posts with
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how it is doing as well, how it is taking off
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really well. And one thing that you said there
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that I thought was brilliant was that it's getting
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to the people and it's the responses that you're
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getting. You might not be making the bigger numbers
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at the moment, but you can see how people's use
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of it is then. going on to their friends and
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then their friends and they're passing it on.
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So it's building really well. Yes. Okay. That's
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something I'm very proud of because I just envisioned
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it. I envisioned it as something that maybe would
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just go along with Google. I feel like the product
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is actually selling itself. So one thing I wanted
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to achieve in this time, all our main customers
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came from Google, right? So they tried to, solve
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this problem and they found a solution and we
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are actually doing it for them so it's not people
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I actually personally can persuade them or discuss
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anything with them I'm just putting stuff out
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there and people seem to want it so yes it is
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doing well in a way not exactly big like that
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but it is taking off yes So I think we have 95
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users and broad cutouts for paying users right
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now. And some not really big numbers considering
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the fact that we have not actually done serious
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marketing. We are just doing organic marketing
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and some others don't. Brands are being made.
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I've mentioned before to build the app to a more
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standardized company format then. Just look at
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it from the case of podcasting in itself. If
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you go back, it's 21 years ago now since the
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word podcasting came into being. But the growth
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of that from being a small, very unpromoted to
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a degree thing to what it is now. You could see
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that with your creation of O -Trans as something
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very similar where you have this organic growth,
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the same as podcasting had. So there is the possibility
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for that happening. And you can see even to a
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small degree over only a couple of weeks since
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you've actually put it out there, how it's already
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grown to such a degree and with such a positive
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reaction from the people that are using it. What
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do you see now as the future of O -Trans? Where
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is it going to next? And what's the next developments
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that you're looking towards? Okay, so I would
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not want to reveal too much, but our users and
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initial users should expect a lot. I have a team
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now. We are planning, we are strategizing, and
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we are already building. So they should expect.
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The one thing I will mention is that they should
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expect it on their phones. People that use Android
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phones, people that use iPhones, they should
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expect it on all mobile devices. And we will
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add more standardized features. Our main mode
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is the fact that we understand these languages.
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So for them to access it, we are creating more
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features for that. So we are going to be drawing
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on to something similar like the features of
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Otter offers. You want fireflies, otters. And
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we are now making it better. So I don't want
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to oversell what hasn't been put out yet. I don't
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want it as something they should expect. That's
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brilliant. Yes. That's great. Just let people
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know how they can contact you. Then please, table
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over. Okay, so they can reach out to me using
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my website. So that is like the one place where
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they can get everything they need about me. So
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my website link is... lovers of lemon dot com
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this is spelled t -o -b -i -s -u -l -a -i -m
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-o -n dot com so there they will get all the
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information they need about me all my social
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media handles on projects i've built and other
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stuff they may need to know okay thank you very
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much toby you take care you take care too thank
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you so much thank you pleasure My much better
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half, Louise, recently recorded a guest spot
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for one of my favourite film podcasts, Review
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It Yourself, where they spoke about the recent
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Sacha Baron Cohen film, Ladies First. The film
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is available to watch on Netflix and the episode
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of Review It Yourself will be available everywhere
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that podcasts can be found from Sunday the 2nd
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of August. Here is a clip of that episode for
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you now. Well, I think it's an interesting take
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on women acting like men, treating men like some
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men treat women. That's what I think. Yeah, no,
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no. Basically, that's it like in a nutshell.
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Yeah, absolutely. No, no, no, you're right. This
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is why I have Sarah with me all the time. I ramble
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and then she succinctly puts my ramblings into
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a really good pipe. But no, you're absolutely
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right. It comes to the head where they have that
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meeting and the production apparently intentionally
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filmed the two Guinness pitch meetings back to
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back. The first where it was like the man's world,
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the regular world. And then the second one where
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it was the women's world where they're belittling
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him. And apparently the casting crew did the
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second scene where they're belittling the man
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and everybody felt really uncomfortable. And
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the director... was it Ellis something? The director
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is a woman said, this is why we're making the
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film like this, because why are you uncomfortable
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when it's the other way? Like it should be. So
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I quite liked that. And again, it's not, I must
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stress this, like anyone listening. And I don't
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know if you agree, Lou, like I think it would
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be very easy for it to kind of start getting
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sanctimonious and start getting really heavy
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handed. As well as Pods Like Us, I am also a
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host on the music shows Toppermost of the Poppermost
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and When They Was Fab. Coming up for you now
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is a clip from the upcoming episode of When They
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Was Fab, where myself and another co -host, Ed
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Chen, discuss the final Beatles tour in 1966.
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But on June 24th, when the Beatles first walked
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on stage, they did not don lederhosen, but a
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set of smart dark green suits with silk lapels.
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And what they had scheduled for this leg before
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the US was West Germany, Japan, and the Philippines.
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Wow. But unlike today, this is multiple gigs
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in these countries. Not like today where you'll
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find maybe four at the most gigs in one country.
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They're doing ridiculous amounts of concerts
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in these places. What you'll see in a lot of
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places is, oh, they didn't want to approach the
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Revolver material. The Revolver material wasn't
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out, and the Beatles had a policy of not playing
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unreleased material in their stage show. Ed,
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do you think, looking back, it might have been
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interesting for them to say, do you know what?
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Let's throw And Your Bird Can Sing into the set.
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And see if it works. Maybe, but I would almost
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see them doing, like, Got to Get You Into My
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Life. No, they're not going to do Tomorrow Never
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Knows Live on stage. Yellow Submarine. Yellow
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Submarine. That could have been the Ringo song.
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The short version is, yes, in looking back in
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hindsight, that might have been a good idea.
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But I mean, they had the way they did things.
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They did. Yep. My question for you is, do you
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think they really knew that this was going to
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be the final tour from the start? Part of the
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reason I say this is at the very end of the tour,
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again, like two days after the tour ended in
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the States, John Lennon was back in Germany.
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So they started this run in Germany and they
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ended it in Germany. That's interesting. So now
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to be quick and succinct. Well, quite frankly,
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there is a newsletter that comes out every Tuesday
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on Substack. So if you look for Pods Like Us
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on Substack, then you will find the Podbytes
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newsletter that comes out every Tuesday and is
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absolutely jam -packed with all sorts of podcasting
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news that I find out about and my own journey
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that week in podcasting. During this week, I
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have read some great articles and posts written
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by Robert Fripp on Substack. Frank Resiopi on
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Substack, LinkedIn, and also as a journalist
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for Forbes magazine. Tony Doe is known through
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Into the Podverse, who have a great page on Substack.
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Stephanie Fuccio on Substack as well, and on
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LinkedIn, in fact. David Campbell on Substack
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and LinkedIn. And of course, John McDermott,
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McD himself. on Substack and LinkedIn too. And
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I'm in a WhatsApp group with John as well. So
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I get bits and pieces from him there. Speaking
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of artificial intelligence in podcasting, you
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know, because John McDermott with Calaroga Shark
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Media, my good friend, Graham Class of Classic
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Studios had his birthday on Saturday. So best
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wishes to him. Ethan got back to me about the
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new artwork for Pods Like Us, so I was probably
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a little overexcited by the initial communication
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about it with the samples. Nice typeface. The
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4th of July wasn't just Independence Day, but
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was also Independent Podcasters Day as well.
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Nice marketing there. Ariel Nissenblatt and Mercury
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Podcast thought it would be great to use that
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to make the whole of July into a month of podcast
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-related challenges for some of us. Well, for
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those of us that are taking part, including me.
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Day one's prompt was to post up a picture of
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us relaxing away from podcasting, because Ariel
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at this moment is on holiday at the Isle of Wight,
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so with her being on vacation time, she thought,
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What the heck? Let's see you all relaxing. So
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a photo was posted up on the socials of me reading
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the book With Great Power, which is a great book
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about the history of Spider -Man in films. And
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it was written by Sean O 'Connell, a guest on
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Pods Like Us three times, as I've mentioned before,
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actually, who was one of the three co -hosts
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of the now finished Real Blend podcast. They've
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got a YouTube group going on now and then where
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they get together, actually, if anybody's interested.
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So the best way to look it up would be to look
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up Jake Hamilton of Fox Media on YouTube, and
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you'll probably find it on there. I think he
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goes under the name Jake Takes or something.
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So day two was to create a trailer for your podcast,
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which I actually did. There's a trailer out there
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for season 11 of Pods Like Us, and it's okay.
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It runs at one minute and six seconds, which
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I have heard is the sweet spot for a podcast
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trailer, somewhere between, say, 50 seconds and
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a minute and a half. Any longer, and I might
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have included clips from episodes past and future
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as well to try and beef it up a bit. Day three
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was artwork day. The artwork is being worked
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on at the moment, of course, because of the discussion
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with Ethan. He is the artist. And here I am on
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day four of the challenge waiting for the prompt
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and running later with this episode than I would
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like to have had it finished, to be quite honest.
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Because the prompts are coming from the US, I
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am waiting for a long time for them because I
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am starting my day at around 6 o 'clock to 6
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.30 in the morning UK time. with the prompts
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arriving anywhere between 8 and 10 hours later,
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because they're coming from the US and the whole
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time zone thing. Anyway, following my sign out,
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there will be a trailer for the podcast of one
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of the participants of the July Podcasting Challenge.
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The idea for the show is that this guy keeps
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getting mail for somebody named Jacob Reed. And
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he is trying to find out who this male is supposed
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to be for. So he's constantly trying to find
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all of these different people called Jacob Reed.
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And it's a true story. It's really happening
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in real time. And an interesting thing is at
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the end. Well, do you know what? I will let you
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find out by listening to the trailer that is
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coming straight after this. Well, after my sign
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out anyway, which is pre -recorded. And here
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it comes. So with that, I wish all of you podders
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the best. Pods Like Us is available anywhere
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that podcasts can be found, and all of the links
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to the social media and email are available on
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the opening page of themarvzone .org. The show
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feedback is gratefully received, as it helps
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to know if there is anything that needs to be
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looked at. Thank you for listening, and I hope
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you listen again to another episode of Pods Like
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Us Chronicles. can I help you? Hey Jalen, my
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name is Jacob Reed and I got an email that there
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is a package being held for me at the front desk.
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And you're not in apartment 604? I've actually
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never even lived in Seattle. I live in Southern
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California. Weird. There's someone with your
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same name, Jacob Reed. My name is Jacob Reed.
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It's a pretty common name and this kind of stuff
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happens to me all the time. I've gotten Jacob
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Reed's phone calls, cable bills, plane tickets,
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requests to review an anaconda purchase. A normal
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person would brush off these coincidences. But
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I started keeping track, logging every Jacob
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Reed I came across in a spreadsheet. For years,
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it sat on the back burner. Meanwhile, I got married.
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We bought a house, had a kid. I got my first
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TV directing job on Jimmy Kimmel Live. For the
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first time in my life, I had a clear idea of
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what the next few years would look like. It seemed
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like anything was possible. everything changed.
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Within a few months, I became a dad, the pandemic
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hit, and the entertainment industry shut down
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indefinitely. Each night, after we got our newborn
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to sleep, I'd sneak out to our dusty old garage
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and live vicariously through the hundreds of
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Jacob Reads on my spreadsheet. I had this overwhelming
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feeling that if I could somehow make contact
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with all of them, learning about their lives
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would help me figure out what to do with mine.
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So I started looking. I'm trying to find someone
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named Jacob Reed. This is our embalming room.
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Oh shit, we're literally going off the road.
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The average take from a bank robbery like that
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is $3 ,000. I don't know this person. Welcome
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to Jacob Reed and me. And me. Jacob Reed and
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me. Jacob Reed and me. A docuseries. A mystery
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show. A mundane multiverse. An investigative
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comedy. That answers life's biggest questions.
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Life's biggest questions. Exclusively by tracking
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down people. Tracking down people. Named Jacob
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Reed. Jacob Reed. Jacob Reed. Jacob Reed. Hosted
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by me, Jacob Reed. Season one coming February
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25th at jacobreedandme .com or wherever you listen
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to podcasts.
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This has been an interesting week. There have
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been a lot of things going on in the world of
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podcasting. There have been a lot of things going
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on in my own podcasting journey. I had two conversations
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with people for this episode that were supposed
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to be quick and succinct but working within the
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podcasting industry we obviously went on for
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a lot longer than intended. I will come back
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at the end of it all with a quick summary of
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what I've done during this week. I'm Martin Quabelle,
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and this is Pods Like Us Chronicles. On Monday,
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the 29th of June, I decided that I would try
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and record the discussion with Tobeloba Suleiman
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again, hoping that the sound quality would be
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better than the previous time. I've done a little
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bit of noise cancelling and other things with
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the actual file and I'm hoping that this will
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be better for you all and that you will get more
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from it because of that. What was your inspiration
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for creating OTRANS? The main inspiration for
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creating OTRANS came from my own problems. The
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problems I was facing at the time. As a student,
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I have a lot of recordings that I don't have
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time to transcribe. Some of them come in languages
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like Yoruba, Hausa, and Nigerian languages. The
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main tools that are popular today, available
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to use, which includes Otter, Rez, Alphys, they
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don't understand those languages. So it was a
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real hassle for me. So I just had to like, I
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felt like it was something I could do. So when
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I reached that solution, I was like, oh, that's
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meant to also benefit from this. And I made it
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a web app and published it. So. That's all my
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main inspiration. I faced some problems. I felt
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like I could solve it. Then I thought, then I
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should use it. That's great. So you have created
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OTRANS as this incredible transcription service
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for all of these different African -based languages
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like Pidgin and Nigerian, and you'll probably
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get to things like Luganda and things like that
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as well, eventually, I'm guessing. Yes. How did
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you then decide to actually put the software
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out there? Because you've made it available for
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everybody, haven't you? Yes, I have. So first
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off, I intended to make it a mobile app. But
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at the time, I felt like linking it to a website
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would make it more accessible for everybody.
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So that was what I did. And using the following
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I have on all my social media handles, I advertised
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and just did organic marketing to get the word
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out that there is a tool that solves this problem.
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And I have been actively communicating with it.
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If I know that, yes, it is actually done. Plans
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have been made to upgrade the app and to make
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it a proper cover. For now, it is available and
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it's sourced. No, it wasn't meant to be sourced.
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That's brilliant. Another interesting thing about
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this is with your approachability where through
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Substack and other sources of online media you've
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been able to push the product really well I believe
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with your update post that you keep putting up
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on Substack and all of these places to let people
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know how it's advancing. I think that's really
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good. But also the fact that I found it interesting
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when I read last week on one of your posts with
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how it is doing as well, how it is taking off
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really well. And one thing that you said there
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that I thought was brilliant was that it's getting
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to the people and it's the responses that you're
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getting. You might not be making the bigger numbers
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at the moment, but you can see how people's use
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of it is then. going on to their friends and
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then their friends and they're passing it on.
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So it's building really well. Yes. Okay. That's
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something I'm very proud of because I just envisioned
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it. I envisioned it as something that maybe would
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just go along with Google. I feel like the product
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is actually selling itself. So one thing I wanted
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to achieve in this time, all our main customers
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came from Google, right? So they tried to, solve
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this problem and they found a solution and we
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are actually doing it for them so it's not people
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I actually personally can persuade them or discuss
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anything with them I'm just putting stuff out
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there and people seem to want it so yes it is
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doing well in a way not exactly big like that
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but it is taking off yes So I think we have 95
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users and broad cutouts for paying users right
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now. And some not really big numbers considering
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the fact that we have not actually done serious
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marketing. We are just doing organic marketing
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and some others don't. Brands are being made.
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I've mentioned before to build the app to a more
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standardized company format then. Just look at
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it from the case of podcasting in itself. If
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you go back, it's 21 years ago now since the
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word podcasting came into being. But the growth
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of that from being a small, very unpromoted to
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a degree thing to what it is now. You could see
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that with your creation of O -Trans as something
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very similar where you have this organic growth,
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the same as podcasting had. So there is the possibility
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for that happening. And you can see even to a
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small degree over only a couple of weeks since
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you've actually put it out there, how it's already
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grown to such a degree and with such a positive
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reaction from the people that are using it. What
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do you see now as the future of O -Trans? Where
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is it going to next? And what's the next developments
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that you're looking towards? Okay, so I would
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not want to reveal too much, but our users and
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initial users should expect a lot. I have a team
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now. We are planning, we are strategizing, and
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we are already building. So they should expect.
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The one thing I will mention is that they should
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expect it on their phones. People that use Android
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phones, people that use iPhones, they should
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expect it on all mobile devices. And we will
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add more standardized features. Our main mode
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is the fact that we understand these languages.
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So for them to access it, we are creating more
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features for that. So we are going to be drawing
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on to something similar like the features of
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Otter offers. You want fireflies, otters. And
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we are now making it better. So I don't want
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to oversell what hasn't been put out yet. I don't
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want it as something they should expect. That's
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brilliant. Yes. That's great. Just let people
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know how they can contact you. Then please, table
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over. Okay, so they can reach out to me using
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my website. So that is like the one place where
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they can get everything they need about me. So
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my website link is... lovers of lemon dot com
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this is spelled t -o -b -i -s -u -l -a -i -m
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-o -n dot com so there they will get all the
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information they need about me all my social
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media handles on projects i've built and other
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stuff they may need to know okay thank you very
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much toby you take care you take care too thank
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you so much thank you pleasure My much better
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half, Louise, recently recorded a guest spot
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for one of my favourite film podcasts, Review
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It Yourself, where they spoke about the recent
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Sacha Baron Cohen film, Ladies First. The film
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is available to watch on Netflix and the episode
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of Review It Yourself will be available everywhere
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that podcasts can be found from Sunday the 2nd
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of August. Here is a clip of that episode for
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you now. Well, I think it's an interesting take
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on women acting like men, treating men like some
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men treat women. That's what I think. Yeah, no,
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no. Basically, that's it like in a nutshell.
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Yeah, absolutely. No, no, no, you're right. This
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is why I have Sarah with me all the time. I ramble
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and then she succinctly puts my ramblings into
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a really good pipe. But no, you're absolutely
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right. It comes to the head where they have that
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meeting and the production apparently intentionally
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filmed the two Guinness pitch meetings back to
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back. The first where it was like the man's world,
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the regular world. And then the second one where
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it was the women's world where they're belittling
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him. And apparently the casting crew did the
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second scene where they're belittling the man
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and everybody felt really uncomfortable. And
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the director... was it Ellis something? The director
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is a woman said, this is why we're making the
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film like this, because why are you uncomfortable
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when it's the other way? Like it should be. So
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I quite liked that. And again, it's not, I must
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stress this, like anyone listening. And I don't
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know if you agree, Lou, like I think it would
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be very easy for it to kind of start getting
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sanctimonious and start getting really heavy
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handed. As well as Pods Like Us, I am also a
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host on the music shows Toppermost of the Poppermost
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and When They Was Fab. Coming up for you now
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is a clip from the upcoming episode of When They
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Was Fab, where myself and another co -host, Ed
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Chen, discuss the final Beatles tour in 1966.
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But on June 24th, when the Beatles first walked
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on stage, they did not don lederhosen, but a
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set of smart dark green suits with silk lapels.
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And what they had scheduled for this leg before
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the US was West Germany, Japan, and the Philippines.
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Wow. But unlike today, this is multiple gigs
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in these countries. Not like today where you'll
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find maybe four at the most gigs in one country.
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They're doing ridiculous amounts of concerts
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in these places. What you'll see in a lot of
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places is, oh, they didn't want to approach the
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Revolver material. The Revolver material wasn't
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out, and the Beatles had a policy of not playing
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unreleased material in their stage show. Ed,
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do you think, looking back, it might have been
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interesting for them to say, do you know what?
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Let's throw And Your Bird Can Sing into the set.
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And see if it works. Maybe, but I would almost
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see them doing, like, Got to Get You Into My
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Life. No, they're not going to do Tomorrow Never
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Knows Live on stage. Yellow Submarine. Yellow
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Submarine. That could have been the Ringo song.
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The short version is, yes, in looking back in
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hindsight, that might have been a good idea.
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But I mean, they had the way they did things.
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They did. Yep. My question for you is, do you
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think they really knew that this was going to
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be the final tour from the start? Part of the
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reason I say this is at the very end of the tour,
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again, like two days after the tour ended in
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the States, John Lennon was back in Germany.
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So they started this run in Germany and they
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ended it in Germany. That's interesting. So now
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to be quick and succinct. Well, quite frankly,
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there is a newsletter that comes out every Tuesday
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on Substack. So if you look for Pods Like Us
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on Substack, then you will find the Podbytes
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newsletter that comes out every Tuesday and is
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absolutely jam -packed with all sorts of podcasting
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news that I find out about and my own journey
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that week in podcasting. During this week, I
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have read some great articles and posts written
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by Robert Fripp on Substack. Frank Resiopi on
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Substack, LinkedIn, and also as a journalist
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for Forbes magazine. Tony Doe is known through
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Into the Podverse, who have a great page on Substack.
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Stephanie Fuccio on Substack as well, and on
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LinkedIn, in fact. David Campbell on Substack
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and LinkedIn. And of course, John McDermott,
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McD himself. on Substack and LinkedIn too. And
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I'm in a WhatsApp group with John as well. So
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I get bits and pieces from him there. Speaking
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of artificial intelligence in podcasting, you
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know, because John McDermott with Calaroga Shark
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Media, my good friend, Graham Class of Classic
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Studios had his birthday on Saturday. So best
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wishes to him. Ethan got back to me about the
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new artwork for Pods Like Us, so I was probably
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a little overexcited by the initial communication
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about it with the samples. Nice typeface. The
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4th of July wasn't just Independence Day, but
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was also Independent Podcasters Day as well.
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Nice marketing there. Ariel Nissenblatt and Mercury
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Podcast thought it would be great to use that
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to make the whole of July into a month of podcast
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-related challenges for some of us. Well, for
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those of us that are taking part, including me.
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Day one's prompt was to post up a picture of
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us relaxing away from podcasting, because Ariel
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at this moment is on holiday at the Isle of Wight,
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so with her being on vacation time, she thought,
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What the heck? Let's see you all relaxing. So
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a photo was posted up on the socials of me reading
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the book With Great Power, which is a great book
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about the history of Spider -Man in films. And
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it was written by Sean O 'Connell, a guest on
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Pods Like Us three times, as I've mentioned before,
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actually, who was one of the three co -hosts
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of the now finished Real Blend podcast. They've
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got a YouTube group going on now and then where
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they get together, actually, if anybody's interested.
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So the best way to look it up would be to look
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up Jake Hamilton of Fox Media on YouTube, and
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you'll probably find it on there. I think he
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goes under the name Jake Takes or something.
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So day two was to create a trailer for your podcast,
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which I actually did. There's a trailer out there
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for season 11 of Pods Like Us, and it's okay.
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It runs at one minute and six seconds, which
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I have heard is the sweet spot for a podcast
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trailer, somewhere between, say, 50 seconds and
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a minute and a half. Any longer, and I might
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have included clips from episodes past and future
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as well to try and beef it up a bit. Day three
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was artwork day. The artwork is being worked
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on at the moment, of course, because of the discussion
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with Ethan. He is the artist. And here I am on
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day four of the challenge waiting for the prompt
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and running later with this episode than I would
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like to have had it finished, to be quite honest.
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Because the prompts are coming from the US, I
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am waiting for a long time for them because I
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am starting my day at around 6 o 'clock to 6
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.30 in the morning UK time. with the prompts
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arriving anywhere between 8 and 10 hours later,
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because they're coming from the US and the whole
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time zone thing. Anyway, following my sign out,
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there will be a trailer for the podcast of one
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of the participants of the July Podcasting Challenge.
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The idea for the show is that this guy keeps
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getting mail for somebody named Jacob Reed. And
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he is trying to find out who this male is supposed
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to be for. So he's constantly trying to find
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all of these different people called Jacob Reed.
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And it's a true story. It's really happening
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in real time. And an interesting thing is at
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the end. Well, do you know what? I will let you
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find out by listening to the trailer that is
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coming straight after this. Well, after my sign
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out anyway, which is pre -recorded. And here
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it comes. So with that, I wish all of you podders
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the best. Pods Like Us is available anywhere
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that podcasts can be found, and all of the links
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to the social media and email are available on
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the opening page of themarvzone .org. The show
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is distributed and sponsored by rss .com, and
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feedback is gratefully received, as it helps
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to know if there is anything that needs to be
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looked at. Thank you for listening, and I hope
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you listen again to another episode of Pods Like
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Us Chronicles. can I help you? Hey Jalen, my
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name is Jacob Reed and I got an email that there
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is a package being held for me at the front desk.
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And you're not in apartment 604? I've actually
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never even lived in Seattle. I live in Southern
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California. Weird. There's someone with your
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same name, Jacob Reed. My name is Jacob Reed.
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It's a pretty common name and this kind of stuff
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happens to me all the time. I've gotten Jacob
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Reed's phone calls, cable bills, plane tickets,
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requests to review an anaconda purchase. A normal
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person would brush off these coincidences. But
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I started keeping track, logging every Jacob
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Reed I came across in a spreadsheet. For years,
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it sat on the back burner. Meanwhile, I got married.
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We bought a house, had a kid. I got my first
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TV directing job on Jimmy Kimmel Live. For the
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first time in my life, I had a clear idea of
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what the next few years would look like. It seemed
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like anything was possible. everything changed.
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Within a few months, I became a dad, the pandemic
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hit, and the entertainment industry shut down
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indefinitely. Each night, after we got our newborn
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to sleep, I'd sneak out to our dusty old garage
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and live vicariously through the hundreds of
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Jacob Reads on my spreadsheet. I had this overwhelming
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feeling that if I could somehow make contact
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with all of them, learning about their lives
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would help me figure out what to do with mine.
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So I started looking. I'm trying to find someone
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named Jacob Reed. This is our embalming room.
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Oh shit, we're literally going off the road.
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The average take from a bank robbery like that
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is $3 ,000. I don't know this person. Welcome
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to Jacob Reed and me. And me. Jacob Reed and
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me. Jacob Reed and me. A docuseries. A mystery
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show. A mundane multiverse. An investigative
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comedy. That answers life's biggest questions.
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Life's biggest questions. Exclusively by tracking
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down people. Tracking down people. Named Jacob
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Reed. Jacob Reed. Jacob Reed. Jacob Reed. Hosted
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by me, Jacob Reed. Season one coming February
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25th at jacobreedandme .com or wherever you listen
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to podcasts.
