2: London's Top Aesthetics Expert: I manifested everything with zero fear | Dr Nina Bal

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I came from Italy to England with 2,000 euros in my bank account.
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That's it.
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My first job was in a basement in High Street Cairn.
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I was getting paid 17 pounds every three hours.
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And so I wanted to learn everything and become the best injector possible I could.
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You're very successful.
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I mean you're everywhere, you're informed, Tatler, you've won so many awards.
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Now I want to play dumb here because I know you're known as the facial sculptor.
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I don't know what that means.
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I've got the privilege of making people feeling the the best version of themselves.
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How do you then balance your success and really stopping and saying, I have really done something here, and actually like really celebrating each milestone at a time.
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Do you not?
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Really?
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Wow.
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No.
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So how did you then get there?
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Because it was clearly a thread going through a young lady, wasn't it?
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That you followed.
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So funny that you asked this.
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Because I don't even think about it.
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Do you not?
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Doesn't even cross my mind, no.
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You just knew.
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I just now I've got 7,500 clients.
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You really?
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I never planned to do any of this.
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Did you not?
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I feel it just happened to me.
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I'm getting very personal here.
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So I had.
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Really?
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Yeah.
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Really?
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What's that journey like?
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Nina.
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Well, can I just say I'm so excited to have you here with us?
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Um, Carasan and I talk about you all the time.
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You inspire us so much.
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Welcome to Beyond.
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You are someone who really does encompass what it means to go beyond.
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Now, of course, Carasan and I know who you are, but for anyone tuning in for the first time who might be finding you for the first time, how would you describe what it is that you do?
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Firstly, thank you so much for having me.
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I feel emotional actually.
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Um who am I?
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What do I do?
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So I um firstly a mum.
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I've got two boys who are 11 and a half and seven and a half.
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So I think that's what I'm the most proud of and the most challenging job for sure.
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Then I've got the privilege um of doing everyday what I absolutely love, which is making people feel and look the best version of themselves and feeling matching what they feel on the inside and how they look on the outside, uh, through my work, which is all non-surgical facial aesthetics for the face.
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So I my background is in cosmetic dentistry, so I'm a dental surgeon by background, and then I just um moved towards what I loved, which is aesthetics, fashion, and so the move towards the aesthetic side of the medicine was just a natural flow.
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Um, and having a background in dentistry, I studied the face for six years, so my the knowledge of the anatomy as a dentist is excellent, and we inject so much, so we are very strong in anatomy of the face, and we are very good at injecting.
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So that plus my love for aesthetics, it was just a natural move towards this the aesthetic side of the of the medicine.
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So I've been doing non-surgical facial aesthetics for the last 15 years, which for who doesn't know basically entails everything from um botulamotoxin, so Botox, semophilia, scheme boosters, all the injectable for the face, lasers, energy-based devices.
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Wow.
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Wow.
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I was just so like and for me, listening to you uh talking about that, you know, how have you managed doing all of that whilst having two children as well?
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Because I mean, like you said, you know, that's one of your greatest achievements, but trying to weave that into also staying true to you and carrying that torch of I'm gonna do this for me, like how have you done that?
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Because I know there'll be a lot of women listening to this saying, Well, that's so inspiring.
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You know, I'm certainly listening to that thinking that.
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So, how have you how have you managed the two, do you think?
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I think I never planned to do any of this.
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Did you guys it just happened to me?
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Honestly, I just when I moved to London from Italy, um I I couldn't I barely spoke any English by uh by then, which was about 16 years ago, by the way.
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So my English was very broken, and I moved for love, and I just thought I'm just gonna work two days a week as a dentist, just have a bit of fucking money, and I wanna just be a mum and just do what I love.
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And then it just happened.
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I feel just following when I found out and learned about facial aesthetics, I remember sitting on my first course, and I felt fire inside me.
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I was like, this is it, this is exactly what I want to do, and it hit something very deep because I've always been very insecure about my own looks.
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Growing up as a hugely introvert, not very confident about my looks, but loving medicine and loving aesthetics, I don't know, I just felt this is exactly what I want to do.
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So I just I was very interested.
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That was my passion.
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So I just started learning more and more and more, and I wanted to become the best at what I was doing.
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So it just happened, and over the years, by starting working in one clinic, I was building my patient base, and I've I realized that people were following me wherever I was working.
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Um, and then I opened my social media page in 2016, 10 years ago, and um it just grew very organically.
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And even when I had actually having my boys made me the most efficient version of myself.
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I am so productive.
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I honestly um it it didn't stop me if anything, it just gave me that.
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I think it's a question of being wanted to be financially independent, I love it.
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Um, which is uh a major part of my upbringing because I think you only are truly free if you are financially independent in your choices.
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Um, so that was a major thing, and also I felt really rewarded uh work.
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So I felt so good about myself um doing what I was doing and having that you see in the eyes of the patient where they're so grateful for what you do, and you make them feel so and I know they're feeling because I had work, so much work done on my own face, and so I know how it feels to feel more confident, and giving that to someone else, it just made me feel so fulfilled on such a deep level, and but at the same time, obviously being a mum is it what it's it's incredible.
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I mean, you you experienced it, it's you experienced that as well.
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So, but equally I felt that being a mummy wasn't enough, and also I feel I'm such a better mum if I am happy, if I'm accomplished, and I see now after many years of balancing that mom's guilt, I think the most difficult thing is a new mom is the guilt.
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Uh new mom, an old mum, actually, um, of thinking, oh my god, I'm taking time away from my baby.
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Um, I should be with him all the time.
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But equally knowing that no, I need this to be able to be the best version of myself and actually give back.
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And now sometimes I see glimpse of that working when my older son, who is almost 12, comes to me saying, um, Mami, I just Googled you, and um I see that you've got, you know, lots of followers.
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You've got pet press, but are you are you important?
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I'm like, no, I'm I'm I just love what I do so much.
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And sometimes, like maybe flying at Ethereum, I've got, you know, people maybe stopping me, patients recognizing me or followers, and I can see, say, mommy, are you are you famous?
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And I'm like, no, not at all.
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Um, I'm not famous at all.
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I just um I truly love what I do, and sometimes people recognize me for what I do, and I think those moments I'm like, I think I'm giving, I'm leaving something good.
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Yeah, you help other people.
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Yeah.
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And where did that come from for you?
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You sort of talk about the financial independence, which I agree with completely.
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But as a kid, was there that element in you that was hungry for success?
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Like, take us back.
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Like, what was Nina like as you were sort of growing up before you moved to London?
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Did you always know you'd be successful?
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Because I think, especially the work we do, you know, I always say there's people that consciously manifest and people that unconsciously manifest.
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And a lot of people that are successful that don't know the work are good unconscious manifesters just because even though they perhaps didn't know what they were going to do, they just knew deep down that one day they'd be successful.
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What was that like for you?
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That's exactly it.
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It was always, I grew up in a um very tiny village in the mountains in Italy.
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Um, I've got two brothers.
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I come from a wonderful family, but um very middle class.
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And both my parents are were teachers, and all I remember since I was born is um them at lunchtime or dinner time complaining about we don't have enough money, we can't afford this, we can't afford that.
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And I remember clearly once we I was looking at a picture of Maldives, I must have been maybe seven, and I said to my parents, can we go there?
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Can we go here?
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Dear Summer, I really like the look of this.
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I want to go to Maldives.
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And uh my dad um was like, Oh, you're dreaming, we would never afford to get there, we don't have enough money, that's crazy.
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And I remember something clicked inside me, and I was like, I'm definitely gonna go there.
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I'm definitely gonna be able to afford them myself.
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Or things like, for example, you were saying, Oh, you need to go, for example, to just give water to the plants in the garden because we can't afford to have um someone that comes a gardener.
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And I was thinking, I'm definitely gonna do everything it takes to be able to afford a garden because I don't want to do it, I can't be bothered.
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Yeah, so I always knew I was gonna be in a place to do everything that was told it's not possible.
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These are know-how, and I love your teaching because you always say it's none of your job to know how.
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Exactly.
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Um, and that's exactly how it happened.
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So I always knew, I always knew I was going to be successful.
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I just had no idea why, how, but um, yeah, I always knew that.
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I was like, I don't want to be in the position I would never want to be able to complain with my kids at the table that we have no money.
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So it's an inner fire, really, yeah, inside you, which I think is just uh it's so powerful when you think about it.
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That that something innately new was like, no, I'm gonna, you know, that is just that takes a lot of strength, which is amazing.
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I love that.
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And what I read is even as a kid, weren't you like top of your class as well?
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Yeah, I love that.
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So you've always had that fire, have really always always, but I think that comes from I don't know if it's a good thing, because I grew up with a very strict dad and two brothers.
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So I was treated very differently from a dad who's an empath like me, but grew up with a very narcissistic mother.
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So he had a lot of narcissistic traits and he was very hard on me.
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And I think I constantly chase that approval.
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So I don't think it's it's coming from a good, from a good reason, my perfectionism.
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Um, it ended up bringing me good things in life.
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So I think not having much and having that approach from my dad brought me exactly where I am, which is which is amazing, but I don't think the reasoning behind it is necessarily good.
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And then it took me to actually search and look for that familiar feeling of those narcissistic relationships because it felt so familiar.
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So, and so I don't I don't know, it's hard, isn't it?
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Because this is who I am, and I'm so grateful for my story.
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But equally, I think about my kids, I've got such a different different approach, and obviously they have a very different life compared to what I had growing up, but I'm thinking, am I making them not ambitious because the way I'm treating them?
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They've got everything that I would have wanted.
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So, am I the reason why they're not gonna be successful as me when they're older?
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Well, you could look at it in two ways, couldn't you?
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Because everything you've learned.
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I mean, you're clearly massively successful because you're you're everywhere.
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I think you were at the Cannes Film Festival.
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Yeah, I mean, come on.
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I mean, Coruscant saw you walking in.
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Yes.
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I was like, ah, Coruscan was like, have you seen Nina?
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Look at her on the red carpet.
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I mean, yeah, you look beautiful.
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Thank you.
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And I really felt that energy from that photo that you'd really sort of step, like claimed that sort of like, I'm here, and I loved that.
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I was looking at just thinking about it.
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Giving myself permission, yeah.
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I'm gonna I actually allow myself to fully enjoy this.
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There's no guilt from being away from this, there's no guilt from being away from my kids.
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I love that.
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I come from a tiny village in the mountains.
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People don't even know what canfield festival is.
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Um, and I'm here, invited.
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And I'm gonna enjoy every single second.
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I deserve this and I enjoy it.
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And I did.
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Good for you.
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So take us back prior to the Nina that sat here right now, when you're there with your dad and you're saying, I'm going to go to the Maldives.
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And there was just something in you, of course, at that age, probably had no understanding of money.
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Why would you?
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But you just knew on like a soul deep level.
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What do you think success meant to you when you were younger, when you were chasing it?
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You talked about financial independence.
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Do you what what was what was it that you were sort of aiming or arriving at?
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Do you remember that when you were slightly younger?
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I think as a freedom of choice, I felt like I had no choice, and my parents were complaining about not having choices.
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So for me, I was like, uh, whenever I have choices, how do I get choices?
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Having financial independence.
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Okay, I need to find a way to get money.
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Because I was asking for money, La Mami.
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Can I get?
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I remember so when I was like maybe 13.
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Can I have a Hermes bag?
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Can I have a Hermes scarf?
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I always loved nice things.
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She was like, we can afford it, you're out of your mind.
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So is there choices?
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Wow, and how did you do it?
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What was going on in your mind?
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Like, how did you move from Italy to London?
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Was it did you even know like how you were gonna do it, or did you just keep following like what what was it that led you?
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It's so funny that you're asking this because uh you always nail the right thing.
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How do you do it?
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Honestly, it's crazy.
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Yeah, the question's just gonna be your laser bang on.
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So um you always touched the right chord.
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So I always knew I'm getting very personal here.
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So I had a very severe stutter in Italian.
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Really?
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Wow.
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Since I was seven, I basically couldn't say my name at all.
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I I basically couldn't speak, I couldn't do like oral interviews, like a school.
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And it started one day I remember when I was seven.
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Don't know why, still working on that.
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Um, and so I knew I was gonna get married with someone foreigner, because I'm like, I can't possibly say si lo voglio, which is yes, I want to marry you in Italian, because I couldn't say s right, no, so I thought I'm definitely gonna marry someone that speaks another language because in another language there's no stuttering.
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Is that what you thought?
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Yeah, that's brilliant.
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Which is amazing.
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When I was learning French, French and English at school, zero stuttering, zero, really, absolutely nothing, but in Italian, I couldn't say a word.
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So I'm like, I can't go marry someone and then not be able to say anything in front of everyone.
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How embarrassing, right?
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So I will marry someone that speaks another language, that's all I knew, uh for sure, and I'm gonna make money.
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That's all I knew.
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So uh, and funny enough, and you did I did.
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I was on holiday in London for two days over New Year's Day 2009, and um I met my ex-husband in a cafe, he started chatting to me, um, and uh randomly, and I I remember this is so funny, university just plays such games, right?
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I was such games.
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I was coming to London, I remember it was on New Year's Eve, and um I was um I was on a Gatwick Express coming from Gatwick to Central Victoria, and I was thinking, there's no way I'm gonna live in this miserable country.
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Look at that looks disgusting, and people have no class and it rains all the time.
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Oh, if I move, I'm gonna move to New York or like to the US.
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Um, and after a few hours I met my ex-husband, and then we dated for a few years, and the rest is history, and then we had two kids, and I marry him.
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And obviously we came true.
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We came true, and the ceremony was in English, so I did have zero stuttering, and he was amazing.
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And you you genuinely had zero stutter in English, and what about and what about like did you obviously clearly now can speak Italian, right?
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So, how did how how did you overcome that then?
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Did that then sort of untangle itself?
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So, yes and no.
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If you interview, like I, if they asked me to do this in Italian, I don't know if you would have said yes.
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Really?
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Yeah, really, I don't think I would.
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That's super interesting.
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Whereas maybe yes, maybe.
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So I it still comes in Italian, especially when I'm I tell you when it comes, when I'm back home with my parents, um, when I'm when I'm emotional, when I'm happy when I'm when when I'm angry.
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I I cannot so when I I speak to my kids in Italian all the time, um, except when I'm angry, I tell them off in English because I can't target bad words because it just doesn't come out.
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That's funny.
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So you find yourself even now, like uh when you're speaking Italian, like you're aware of like especially if you get a little bit angry, like you start to stutter.
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I can't talk.
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No way.
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That's fascinating.
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So I'm fascinated there that as a kid, you always knew.
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Of course, I know you're into manifestation, and we'll talk about that, right?
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But way before any of us knew any of that, you just knew those two things.
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You knew that you'd have financial independence because you'd have choice, which would mean you'd be able to go to the Maldives, which is fundamental, and and hire a gardener.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And uh yeah, and you knew you'd marry uh a foreigner, so you married an Englishman.
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That all came true.
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So that tells us there's like an invisible force inside of you that you followed.
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So now I want to play dumb here because I I know you're known as the facial sculptor.
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Is that right?
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Um, I don't know what that means.
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Corusan does.
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I guess.
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So for any men tuning in, you know, um you're very successful.
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I mean, you're everywhere.
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You're in Forbes, Tatler, you've won so many awards.
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Like we just said, you we saw you, you know, down the the red carpet can.
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Um, I have no no doubt people do stop you, you in airports, you're very successful.
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So, how did you then get there?
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Because it was clearly a thread going through you at a young age, wasn't there, that you followed.
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Of course, as a as a youngster, you I'd have I'd imagine you had no idea that you'd end up where you are now.
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So you go from dentistry to facial sculpting.
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What's that journey like?
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Just a quick one.
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I find it amazing how many people message me and say, Matt, I never knew that you had a community.
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We don't talk about it that often.
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It's called the Beyond Community, and basically it's a place where we just take everything we talk about on these podcasts, just much deeper, with people from all over the world, all walks of life, all looking to manifest different things.
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It's one of my favourite things to do every day just to check in and see what other people are doing, sharing their wins, sharing their signs.
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But what I love most about the community is it's a beautiful app that you can have on your phone, and on that app, inside the community, you've got all of Corus Ann and I's meditations, you've got a course, you've got challenges, you can join our book club.
00:21:26.559 --> 00:21:33.759
It's just one of those places that just takes you from the distraction of social media and actually helps you get towards that dream.
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So if you want to check us out, look at the link below.
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We give a seven-day free trial.
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So come and join us, come and check it out.
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And if you go, do you know what?
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This isn't for me, no hard feelings, but I think you're gonna love it.
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Anyway, back to the episode.
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So I worked really hard, and that's that's why I relay so much with your teaching when you say you need to put the work in.
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Um, so I was like, okay.
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Um, I want to make money, I want to be financially independent, have choices.
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So I choose to do what I love because actually my parents gave me three options.
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You can be a lawyer, you can be an accountant, you can be a doctor.
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And I was like, no, I love medicine, so I'm gonna be a doctor.
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Um, and then I was like, okay, should I become a doctor or should I become a dentist?
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Um, and then I was like, okay, what's the what's the course was more likely to make more money, to have more time free, more money quicker.
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Um, so I did the tests at uni to get into uh medicine and dentistry, and I got third out to a thousand people of medicine, and fifth out of 700 people in dentistry.
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Wow.
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A nerd.
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I listened all summer.
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I had no life.
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I was like 18.
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I had a huge nose, I was geeky, freezy hair, uh, train tracks, I looked bad, and I was a nerd.
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So I studied all summer and I became I did both tests.
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I was like, okay, what should I do?
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I've got both choices.
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Okay, dentistry, six years, medicine, 12 years.
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Okay.
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Um, if I'm a dentist, I'm gonna be self-employed.
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So I don't depend on night shift in the hospital, so more time.
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Okay, dentistry now is winning.
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Um, and then I think dentists have a nice life.
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I see dentists going around with Mercedes.
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I think I'm good, I think that's okay.
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I think I'm more likely to get more money.
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And I love like uh working in small things, I love like medicine, and I think I can make teeth looking cute and nice and white.
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I love white smile.
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I love like, okay, let's go for dentistry.
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So that's how it happened.
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And I worked really hard dentistry, loved it.
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But then by the end of the SX, I was thinking, I don't really enjoy looking in people's mouths.
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I don't really enjoy doing like crowns or uh inlays, own lays, and these it's boring, it's not really my thing, and people are not appreciative.
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People hate going to the dentist.
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So I started doing the dentistry, and I'm thinking, yeah, make good money, but it doesn't really excite me to go to work.
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And then what happened?
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I was like, but there's cosmetic dentistry.
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This sounds good.
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It's aesthetics, I can make someone looking better with a smile.
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So I naturally fell into the cosmetic side of dentistry, which is veneers and teeth frightening, composing bonding.
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Better, but still not it.
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I was like, mmm, this it's not really my call.
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And then it just happened that when I moved to London, um, in my very first job that I was doing, by the way, my first job was in a basement in High Street Ken, where I was doing group on teeth whitening.
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I was getting paid, you ready?
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I was getting paid 17 pounds every three hours in a basement.
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Um, it was so dirty, it was so embarrassing.
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And I was literally wiping the floor because I was embarrassed when my patients were coming.
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It was disgusting, it was dirty.
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Um, the owner was um it was quite bossy.
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Um, and so I did that and I was thinking, what's happening to you?
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But I was so happy because I'm like, I've got a foot in the work life in London.
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Doesn't matter where, I just need I need to start somewhere.
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I don't know where, but this is great.
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So I was like, perfect.
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So what should I do next?
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Then I was um there was one of the dentists in that practice that was doing a bit of um fish aesthetics here and there, a bit of Botox, a bit of fillers.
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So I said to him, I said, look, where did you do your training?
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And he gave me a training academy back then, 15 years ago, there were not many.
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So I was like, okay, perfect.
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So the day after I called, and it was, I couldn't afford the course, it was like£2,000 back then.
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And I came from Italy to England with 2,000 euros in my bank account.
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That's it.
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Yes, I had a husband.
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But I had no money, myself, zero.
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And my ex-husband is very wealthy, but he I it wasn't, it wasn't my money, right?
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So I was like, okay, I can't pay the course.
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I need to wait for the first mom's salary, which was nothing.
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Um, so I waited for I think two months, and then I paid the first course and I had no money back again.
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But then I did the course.
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So I was I did my first course in aesthetics, and I was like, amazing.
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That's what I love.
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And I'm thinking, I was doing the maths in my head because it was like, you know, if you do Botox, it doesn't take long, it takes half an hour, you can make this.
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And after three months, the Botox wears off.
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And I was like, great.
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So if foo wears off, you need it again.
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And if you feel better about yourself and you like it, you want to pay again.
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So I was thinking, this is great financially, it makes sense.
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I love it.
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I tried it, I was hooked.
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And I'm thinking, that's it.
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And so I wanted to learn everything and become the best injector possible where I could.
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So a night I was looking at a YouTube video and learning and learning, and and then I applied for, I was like, I need to put this into practice straight away because if I don't do anything, I get scared.
00:27:20.079 --> 00:27:30.079
So, but couldn't practice facial aesthetics in a dental practice because you can't really ask someone that comes for a for a compensator except for a filling.
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Sorry, can I just inject your frown?
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It's all you're gonna say.
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I can also start in your forehead.
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Um, so it's like I need to I need to separate the two things.
00:27:41.599 --> 00:27:54.319
So I when I literally applied for so many aesthetic clinics, and my the only one that accepted me was at the back of Super Drag, there was a clinic called Pro Skin.
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Wow, it was the cheapest of the cheapest of the cheapest of the cheapest.
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I was like, don't care, don't care.
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I just need to practice.
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So I was so excited because I'm like, great, so I can practice.
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And they were booking me like so many patients a day, and I was getting paid like 150 pounds for eight hours.
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I couldn't, I was like, great, I couldn't care less.
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Because I've and that's how I practice.
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That's why sometimes when I have junior doctors coming to ask, you know, to work for me, and they ask the requests for mine.
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I'm thinking, you have no idea how long it takes, what it takes to become successful.
00:28:35.759 --> 00:28:48.720
So yeah, so I started doing that and and it slowly grew, and I grew my confidence, my expertise, my knowledge, patient base, and that's how it worked all worked out.
00:28:48.960 --> 00:29:02.160
But I love from that though, that you've formed this rather than like, I and I really, really feel this whenever I, you know, hear anyone talk about coming and having a treatment with you, or I see anyone who posts something and they've had something done.
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I love the fact that you've gone for this less is more.
00:29:05.599 --> 00:29:16.160
So like you could just jump on a trend and be like, oh, everyone's doing this and I'm gonna do it that way, but you haven't, you've really found this beautiful way that really feels like it's Nina's.
00:29:16.559 --> 00:29:35.839
And I think what I wanted to ask you is, and I think there will be people listening to this who maybe have got their own business in a similar field to you or not, within a 10 mile radius of where most people live, they could put in facial aesthetics or something, and they can find within at least a 10 mile radius, someone that does something or a version of some form of facial aesthetic.
00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:43.680
But what you've done is you've gone completely beyond that and created this really beautiful way that is just true to you.
00:29:43.920 --> 00:29:51.680
So how have you kind of ignored, okay, well, everyone's doing it this way, so I'm just gonna copy that and do that, and we're all gonna jump on this trend together?
00:29:51.759 --> 00:29:56.799
You've kind of really said, no, actually, no, I'm gonna do it like this, that I love that less is more feel.
00:29:56.960 --> 00:30:00.400
So, how did you kind of stay true to you in those moments?
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Because I think that's just yeah, I love that.
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Thank you.
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I think my ethos is I so before I offer any new treatments to the my clinic or the patients, I always try and test everything myself.
00:30:15.599 --> 00:30:29.759
And I am so honest in what I do that I would never offer a treatment to anyone if I truly don't believe that's the best thing for them and if I don't believe in the treatment, regardless of you know how much money this can bring me.
00:30:29.920 --> 00:30:35.599
And I think that integrity and their honesty of okay, what I would what would I do on me?
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Um it's what I instantly do.
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And I think there's it's so much less stressful because I don't have to think, and that's just how I operate.
00:30:47.200 --> 00:30:57.200
And actually, I had so many new patients coming to me thinking, saying, I came to you because you said no to my friend, and she doesn't need anything.
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Yeah, you're the only one that said no, that's why I'm here.
00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:05.599
Um, and I think for me is also which is not right or wrong, it's just my style.
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I want to look, I'm 41.
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I want to look and feel the best version of Nina are 41, and that's the way you see me, it's the way I see aesthetics.
00:31:17.599 --> 00:31:23.359
And if you align with me, amazing, you're gonna naturally gravitate towards me in my clinic.
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If you don't, totally fine.
00:31:25.680 --> 00:31:28.319
You're gonna follow someone else that has a different aesthetics.
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So naturally, I attract amazing women and some men as well that align with my aesthetics.
00:31:36.799 --> 00:31:41.519
And I think I want to think people also come to me because it's all experiences.
00:31:41.920 --> 00:31:58.240
Like I love dealt in dead relationship with my clients, is that one-to-one that I'm such an introvert, but it's a one-to-one relationship that at the end of the day, I feel like I've been to therapy for 10 for eight hours, nine hours, ten hours, and they paid me.
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Like, this is just great.
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I love that.
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I love that as well.
00:32:03.759 --> 00:32:09.519
Yeah, it was so it's about the natural beauty that's sort of all sort of within, then in a sense that you help sort of bring out.
00:32:09.599 --> 00:32:10.079
Am I right?
00:32:10.160 --> 00:32:22.559
Like it's and an authenticity as well from your side, like a real, like deep authenticity, which I think is so many people miss that just in anything that they do, like not being authentic and true to to themselves.
00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:38.960
And I think that like what you've just said there is, but I I wanted to go back a little bit and I was really e I was really listening to what you said about worrying about that kind of that drive and that kind of almost that fire saying, you know, does it, you know, does it come always from the right place?
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And I wanted to know, so how do you then balance your success and really stopping and saying, Wow, I have really, I have really done something here, and actually like really celebrating each milestone if you're such a sort of keep going, keep going, like how do you kind of stop and kind of go?
00:32:58.319 --> 00:32:58.799
Really?
00:32:59.039 --> 00:32:59.359
Wow.
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No, because you've gone from group on and sort of super drug to being like the best in Chelsea.
00:33:04.319 --> 00:33:06.559
I mean, it's in a short period of time, really.
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And you said you, you know, when you came over, you didn't even really speak proper English.
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So I mean that in a sense that that's just so inspiring, isn't it?
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Because if I was to think of moving to Italy and then dominating and being the best in class within a period of time and learning a new language as well.
00:33:23.279 --> 00:33:28.160
Again, though, I I'd imagine with you, even when you were there at Was it Superdruck, did you say?
00:33:28.319 --> 00:33:28.640
Yes.
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You knew that this was just leading you somewhere, didn't you?
00:33:31.680 --> 00:33:32.559
Yeah, absolutely.
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I was like, this is the first step towards something greater, but I have to go through this.
00:33:38.400 --> 00:33:48.000
So what about because a lot of people I work with and we've worked together struggle with differentiating the difference between intuition and and fear.
00:33:48.240 --> 00:34:00.160
I think it's a subtle difference where I think you're very good at listening to your gut, you know, because it's clearly guided you here, and there's no way you could have predicted then that you'd be sort of where you are now.
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And but fear is always the loudest voice in the room.
00:34:03.279 --> 00:34:07.279
You know, it's self-referential, it paints an ugly picture, it tells you why you might not.
00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:15.280
There was clearly an element of personal risk that went into this endeavour for you to get from group on to where you are now.
00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:20.079
I'd imagine you've just opened, I think a year ago, a beautiful clinic in Chelsea.
00:34:20.320 --> 00:34:21.119
Yeah, self-cancelled.
00:34:21.519 --> 00:34:25.440
You know, obviously would require an enormous investment, I'd imagine, to do so.
00:34:25.599 --> 00:34:28.320
So where do you sit when it comes to risk?
00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:32.079
So funny though you asked this.
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Do you not?
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It doesn't even cross my mind, no.
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Like I think you need to think about it.
00:34:44.239 --> 00:34:45.039
How interesting.
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No, like when I I just know I need to make it work.
00:34:50.320 --> 00:34:56.000
So do you even have fearful thoughts, would you say, when you're taking a big step or a big decision?
00:34:56.320 --> 00:35:01.280
So I have a lot of fear and confusion, actually.
00:35:01.519 --> 00:35:10.880
Uh if I tell you how many times I go back to your post when you talk about differentiating fears and intuition, and just make me really much, because you're helping me so much.
00:35:11.199 --> 00:35:12.639
Um and you you did.
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We obviously we that's how I personally reached out to you, and that's how we we met.
00:35:17.199 --> 00:35:22.079
But daily with what you do, the impact that you have, um, it's it's incredible.
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Even on me after years that we met.
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Um, and on a weirdly enough, it's almost like in my professional life, I've got zero fear.
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Nothing.
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Like, I don't even think about the risk.
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I'm like, it's just gonna work.
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I remember the first day when I when I decided, okay, from today, I'm gonna stop being an associate in those clinics, and I'm gonna rent my own room and start with a completely empty dairy.
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I still remember it was April 2017.
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I remember looking on my phone at the dairy, April 2017, and it was complete, not even one appointment, it was zero.
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It was empty, and I was like, uh, it's fine, it would just get busy.
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You just knew?
00:36:08.079 --> 00:36:08.719
I just knew.
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Now I've got 7,500 clients in my database.
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Um, over the years, obviously, I don't see them like all of the things.
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Over the years, I build them up 7,000.
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But there is a moment when I started from zero, and I don't know why, Matt, and actually, maybe you can help me to understand why.
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Oh, why I've got no fear on that at all.
00:36:30.960 --> 00:36:35.280
But on my personal life, um, I've got so many fears.
00:36:35.599 --> 00:36:38.480
I'm I never know what whether it's intuition, it's a fear.
00:36:38.639 --> 00:36:44.559
I constantly feel good enough at work, and I constantly feel not good enough in my personal life.
00:36:44.719 --> 00:36:46.559
It's almost like there's two different people.
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I'm like, if someone didn't know me well, they were like, this is actually crazy.
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It's like two different opposite people.
00:36:57.199 --> 00:37:00.800
It's a little bit like though, how you know the duality exists and everything.
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There's always the opposite.
00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:09.760
So what you're saying is if we see you in a professional environment, there's no there's no fear, there's risk doesn't mean anything.
00:37:09.920 --> 00:37:19.119
It's just you know exactly where you're going, fire in your belly, um, intuition, you know, you've already achieved it, and it's just drive, and now it's just helping people.
00:37:19.280 --> 00:37:21.440
But then what are you saying behind the scenes?
00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:26.960
There's a another version of you that tends to crumble and perhaps say to yourself, Why am I not like Nina at work?
00:37:27.119 --> 00:37:29.760
When I'm Exactly, it's a little bit like though, isn't it?
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How I still find it fascinating that you can speak fluently in English, but not in Italian.
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So your brain to me indicates that as above, so below.
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So there's something there, isn't there?
00:37:42.559 --> 00:37:47.119
And I think the answer lies in what you said early on, which is choice.
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And it's remembering, I think, that even outside of work, there's a choice.
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Manifestation starts with the choice, it's a choice of who am I gonna be?
00:37:58.880 --> 00:38:12.800
And for you, it's a question for you now is do you find then that with choice at work you charge, you you know exactly what you've got to do, but behind the behind the closed doors, does choice slightly get put to one side and you crumble?
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Perhaps I don't know.
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Like what do you think happens to you there then in your personal side?
00:38:20.079 --> 00:38:36.639
Yes, or maybe actually, as we actually talked about it, is I think I want something, and then I I know how to manifest, and I manifest it uh pretty, and then I'm thinking, or actually, do I actually also want something else?
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And actually, you help me so much say Nina, that's normal, it's called the ego.
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And I'm like, okay, fine, and I know all of this.
00:38:44.960 --> 00:39:01.760
Matt told me, I'm looking at his notes, I read them through, makes sense, but it's almost like, or is it maybe the part of me that because I never feel enough, I'm like, okay, I've got two beautiful kids, I should have three.
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Yeah.
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Um, so because I don't know, maybe because of my family from of three, but I feel completely not an accomplished mother at all.
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Because I'm thinking, I just have a successful business and two kids.
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How easy is that?
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I need at least three kids to feel enough.
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Three.
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Yeah, three.
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So for me, all I see some days is I am so not enough because I don't have three kids.
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I feel so much less than maybe some other mums at school.
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Maybe I'm I'm dropping off the kids at school, and I see mom with with three, four kids, maybe they don't have a business.
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Maybe they feel insecure towards me for I don't know, God knows, but I feel less than them because I'm thinking I just have two beautiful kids and a successful business.
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But I don't have three kids.
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So what does having another child mean to you then?
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What is the gap you're trying to fill?
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And that's the work, isn't it?
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It's trying to understand.
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Because it's it's the perpetual chase that I think for you you're so good at.
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From a seven-year-old when you first looked at the catalogue of the Maldives.
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That's incredible.
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You've been you've been running since then.
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And I think that again, it's the ego's wrapped in you know, to to everyone looking at Nina's life, the glitz, the glam, the red carpets, it it's like the epitome of success.
00:40:31.920 --> 00:40:36.960
But you know, I have a saying it's the man who loves walking will walk further than the man who loves the destination.
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And you know, to the ego, there is, you know, there is no uh destination.
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It it arrives, gets familiar, and then and and then has to go again.
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It's almost like if you don't chase the next thing, it actually becomes dangerous staying where you are.
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You know, and I think it's reading you and working with you and knowing you, it's like how can you balance um the business and the identity of Nina into sort of one and like knowing what that's like, isn't it?
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Absolutely.
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It's fascinating, don't you think?
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Absolutely fascinating, because I think there'll be so many people, I almost think there'll be so many people that will breathe watching this because they will say oh, like even I like um as you're saying, I'm like, that's a whole part of it because I think I think I don't think it's just as women, but I think we all are so guilty of not stopping.
00:41:28.239 --> 00:41:35.920
Like that's why I said that to you, because I'm observing you and what you've achieved, and I'm thinking, like, wow, but it's so interesting when you spin it.
00:41:36.000 --> 00:41:52.559
You say, Well, I don't, like, you know, I'd be really interested to know, um obviously we've called this podcast Beyond the Podcast, but what does it mean to you because you have completely and utterly gone beyond you know what what what does that what do you think that means to you?
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You think of seven-year-old Nina going beyond, what does that what do you think that really encompasses for you?
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I think it's just being aware of the fact that we all can absolutely believe in what we want to achieve, and I think that's that's what you teach so well and you explain so clearly, um, is that we actually manifest whether we want it or not every day.
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So we better we better be aware of what we are thinking, what we and what we are saying, because it's it's not that it's it's not choice.
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It's we are manifesting daily, every single minute, every single hour.
00:42:41.679 --> 00:42:47.519
So I think it's uh meta-conditions, actually you told me um become aware of our thoughts.
00:42:47.679 --> 00:42:59.920
It's it's um, and I think, and it's the work is exhausting because it's anything I forget about, and then I call Matt crying up again.
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Um that's true, by the way.
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Exactly.
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And it's just that knowing that it's um, yeah, it is it is a journey, it's endless, it's exhausting, but it's also so uh it's so empowering, actually, for a second, thinking, gosh, actually, I think with with your work, with Jody Spencer, that I adore, it's it gives me that power of thinking, actually, I bring the power back to myself.
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And sometimes I forget and I have to be reminded.
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But it's knowing that we all have, and everybody that is listening or watching to us knows that actually, in any moment, you can start to get the power back to yourself because you have it, whether you believe it or not, um, you have it.
00:43:51.280 --> 00:43:56.960
And you clearly had it unconsciously, because we've all got the gift, like I say, we're always manifesting, and you were so good.
00:43:57.119 --> 00:43:58.079
When did you?
00:43:58.239 --> 00:43:59.360
I mean, let's talk about that.
00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:04.480
of course that lies through the thread of what Corusan and I do, you know, manifestation.
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I think the word beyond encompasses so much.
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You've clearly uh you've clearly succeeded with that.
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But w what's your mission now, Nina?
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Because you're I mean where do you go from here?
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Like what what how are you using manifestation now in your life?
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I think actually I spend the last 15 years building me as a brand, me as an injector, me as a medical director, etc.
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I think I think in the last year or so I really feel a shift where it's not about me anymore.
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I'm not even applying for awards for me anymore because I'm like I don't want it.
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I want to build others.
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I want to build my team so I want to build uh the best clinic the best therapist all the girls that work for me I want them to feel a bit of how I felt over the years or how I feel.
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So I think it's part of that is keep doing what I do which what I love which is facial sculpting, facial aesthetics, but empowering the team building the clinic and the other girls and also just moving towards your work is like because I was invited to speak to women in um in aesthetics conference for the Women's Day on the 8th of March and they asked me to do a TED talk um for 20 minutes about identity and nothing to do with aesthetics just about identity and I absolutely loved every single second and I made everybody was crying there was silent in the room people so many women coming to me for months after saying how because of that they left a toxic relationship and I'm thinking what is is there maybe something that I need to move more towards um I just love more that kind of empowering other women um I I hope I can empower other women through what I physically do to them so make them look and feel the best version of themselves, the most confident version of themselves but equally empowering them on what they can achieve.
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It's funny when you said that because it really did come through me as like seeing you empowering on a stage like really because you have got such an incredible story of like how you've how you've achieved that do you feel like like how do you how do you do that?
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Like how do you empower the women that work with you?
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Do you have a certain attitude in the clinic?
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Like do you keep it like what do you do?
00:46:51.920 --> 00:46:53.519
I don't really have an agenda.
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Really I just uh no I just um I think I'm just very supportive very very kind yeah um I think I'm a really good boss I want to t I teach everything I know I don't keep it to myself and I always say to them do not look what other what the competition does.
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Oh I love that yeah just don't just don't um because when I say that yeah I just say to myself because sometimes it just takes so easy to get distracted and say oh my god this person is doing this and achieving this but actually it's when you bring that power back to yourself that then where the success comes actually so I would say you know let's create the best we the best experience best experience for the for our patients in terms of everything and I'm so so in with every single the clinic needs to smell amazing look amazing they have the have the best service the best treatments in terms of technique products um devices everything has to be top top top and I think they just feel and breathe that and I feel actually they they want to I think if you raise your standards people around you naturally raise to yours as well yeah and oh I love that because I always say where you place your attention is where you place your energy so do you find that by not looking elsewhere and keeping your eyes focused I mean what what are your thoughts around that and like energy thieves because we all have energy thieves in our lives don't we?
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How do you cope with that in what you do?
00:48:33.440 --> 00:49:27.199
So I actually the amount of time I think about what you and Corizan do because you told me that sometimes you say okay you protect your bubble right yeah so I'm learning to become more aware of that actually because I um I think because growing up so insecure or and a people pleaser I tend always to say yes to everyone and whether I think in the past saying yes to so many things help me but now I'm more and more aware of the energy teaves and I think even sometimes I just I try to do away with grace um like even if a patient comes in straight away within a few seconds I feel the energy um and I know this is not gonna work or maybe that person is on a journey where she or he thinks is ready for treatment but that's not the right reason to get treatment.
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And I feel that I very kindly push them away and protect myself and I'm thinking there is no way for any amount of money I'm gonna touch a person that I don't think you know already what is is going to bring trouble is not the right treatment for them.
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So I think it's that my try to protect my peace at all costs but it's becoming natural but it's um it took a lot of work.
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Interesting isn't it yeah because I've I've noticed that you talk about that intuition that sort of feel so you're very very connected have you always felt like I always I've noticed you said about that sort of that feeling of following your intuition following that kind of connection where do you think that comes from that almost to self always I think that's just that's part all part of this work really.
00:50:21.039 --> 00:50:26.239
Yeah like I think like even now in your clinic you like what you've just said there you're very good at I think you're very good at reading anything.
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Yeah I've picked up on that and I think one of the I mean you're amazing with the success is obviously I'd imagine you create I haven't been to your clinic but I'd imagine if you go I'm almost like feeling it now and almost imagining that people when they go I'd imagine they just sort of let go a little bit do people say that do they feel like it's just such a I'd imagine people say I just need to go and see Nina.
00:50:46.320 --> 00:50:52.159
Or it just smells great I'm just gonna go to see people sitting and say I just love coming to to see you.
00:50:52.400 --> 00:51:55.039
Exactly so then talk us through because you know today this is the first time Corusan's been away from our son Humphrey who's of course nearly two your boys are did you say 12 and 7 11 and 7 and 7 wow so you know you've got two boys how have you like you know and you and you manifest and you do all this like what does balance even mean to you like is there a thing as work life balance for what you've achieved and how do you do that great question I think firstly balance can look very different to everyone so for me I think I found my balance which is working in the clinic three days a week and when I'm in the clinic I am fully in the clinic and I am a medical director I'm the CEO I'm the boss I deliver the best treatment for my patient and I'm physically there.
00:51:55.360 --> 00:52:14.239
The other days when I'm in clinic I am a mum and I am there for drop off pickup I do homework with them and I think knowing that there's dedicated time to everything um is what for me is my success.
00:52:14.480 --> 00:52:32.960
And although knowing that okay maybe if there's a and also choosing my battle so for example at school if I know my kids are gonna say a line on a show I'm gonna be there first row shouting like cheering and clapping I'm the biggest chill is that I'm gonna be there.
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But if there's like mum's coffee mornings or anything there's no way I'm going that you will not see me no way so I'm really choosing what you know and I don't care if other mum thinks I'm antisocial I really choose what where to dedicate my energy and I think that is what I find it's the balance that makes me happy knowing that you know I'm either wearing a cap or the other cup well and choosing what to be there for.
00:53:05.440 --> 00:53:12.639
And do you find that when you are choice again this word for you that I've really picked up in actually you're very good at choice making good choices.
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But when you so you know when you're um mum and you're at home do you like what's your mind like though does it ever think I should be at the clinic I should be working like how how what does being present look like to Nina it's hard when I'm present literally you stole my question.
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It's hard it's hard um it's hard so because obviously you know although I'm not there um I'm the CEO so he's constantly questioned so I think I had I learned to tell my team boundaries so do not contact me unless it's an emergency I still have all the work email on my phone and I still am guilty of checking but it's um I was reading some um I I follow a couple of um child psychiatrists on Instagram and actually um what Doc Amman was saying um these American psychiatrists were saying what you need to do every day with your kids or with your child is 20 minutes presence no phone no questions no comments you're just there just be with just be with them just be no question you don't ask anything so I'm like okay 20 minutes easy I can do that yes so I I'm like okay if it's a busy day I'm like oh gosh I need to check my social media calendar I need to reply to this I need to I need to prepare the presentation for this I'm like okay Nina okay you're gonna do all of this once the kids go to sleep but now it's 20 minutes maybe we do like a puzzle I think puzzle really is helping me to do that because I'm not just looking at my son thinking I'm not gonna ask any question I'm not commenting anything.
00:55:01.920 --> 00:55:10.239
We're doing something together so it's easier not to just get involved otherwise it's easier also to ask questions maybe not yet time for because it's so small but how was your day at school?
00:55:10.400 --> 00:55:11.280
Who's your best friend?
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What did you eat?
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No, I'm just there we're building a puzzle and there's no questions and that is as easy as it seems it's hard but I feel so peaceful afterwards I'm thinking because I feel present and I think that's helping me to maybe have that presence that you were saying at home um maybe it's 20 minutes or it's more but that is I've really felt that bond glowing with my kids I feel like with 20 minutes.
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20 minutes.
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So it's almost like allowing them to lead and you just your job is just to follow.
00:55:49.039 --> 00:55:51.519
So if they want to do a puzzle you do a puzzle.
00:55:51.840 --> 00:55:56.719
But you can't dictate and tell them what you want to do so it's like just following for 20 minutes.
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No, you follow and the only thing I do I validate their feeling because I know now being 41 and doing work on myself that I didn't have my feelings validated when I was young and that's one of the most crucial things validate.
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So when they are upset crazy I just validate it and be there it's so hard but I think as long as you've got presence validate their feelings and give them love I hope they're all they're gonna be okay in life.
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Well I think if they've got a mother like Nina I absolutely I absolutely think that it's been lovely.
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Yeah and I think um any final questions for you see on your mind?
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I was just gonna say you know that I think I think for a lot of people watching I think they'll be incredibly inspired by what by what you've achieved but also just to hear that relatability about giving women permission.
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So I think if you were talking to any woman now sitting there saying like how am I gonna step back in how am I gonna give myself permission what do you think you'd say to those women who are sort of like in the in-between like we talked about before where you're sort of you don't know who you are and and what you're gonna be and how you're gonna get back I think DM me.
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Text me and I'll help you let's go I think create your support of women that actually will inspire you or just have that connection just don't it's so easy to those moments um to just closed and just don't leave in that fear and that in that feelings whether I think if you reach out and if you create a connection of women really supporting women really which is rare but when you found them those women are incredible and you don't have to know them personally could be on Instagram I mean we've been knowing each other for years.
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Yeah and we met today for the first time in in the flesh so I think it's having crazy it's having that connection of actual women that know exactly what you mean and truly support you and just because sometimes it just takes one other woman to say actually you can do it.
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Yeah.
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Go for it.
00:58:20.159 --> 00:58:53.440
I absolutely love that I think what you've confirmed for me as well which I see with a lot of people I work with is just fascinating how you you know you can look at what you've achieved but then and thank you for being so honest and I think that's what's so lovely about you you know clearly people love coming to your clinic because it's so authentic and you bring out that natural beauty and you know but it it shines through you as a person too because you're honest about the fact that you know there's still that sort of like longing and wanting and chasing like do I I'm failing if I haven't got a third child.
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And I think that gives so many people permission to to realize that they're not alone in that either because it's like well if Nina's still feeling that but she's achieved all this and it's interesting I noticed that years ago it doesn't matter what it really doesn't matter what level of success that I work with people are still driving for more and that's okay to admit sometimes but I think knowing that you can always find the feeling now and that's what you and I talk about a lot don't we?
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It's just like understanding why we want it and and and how we want to feel now so I'd love to sort of finish I suppose by Nina where from here for you like what is the dream now like do you do you know do you work on that like what is the mission and vision for for Nina like before we meet again I don't really have a plan like I never had it throughout all my life I so I really honestly don't I just I think I'm just working on just keep doing what I love just follow my passion and just follow what what actually what do I do that makes me feel good that makes me feel fulfilled makes me feel grateful and it's um it's helping women so carry on working maybe just building more my team so just stepping away slowly and creating more a team I don't really want to open another clinic I just want to expand where I am just do that and maybe do other things and just I think find also I think what I really want to do is just working more towards finding my peace I love that that because I feel as you say it's funny because when someone else said oh my god you achieve so much you must be feel so at peace and truly I am not really so I think that is my work you noticed something I've got one more question is it true?
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Were you a professional skier?
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Yes were you because when I wrote you pictures I don't know how you found that and then um Matt said to me yeah it's always like a slight questioning of it like it's really though we were like comparing notes I was like have you done some research on it I was like I know I know Nina she was like yes but did you know she was a professional skier and and then hang on we missed some needless to when she unpack this Nina yeah when she said that I know you I know you said you were you know born in the Italian Alps and a lot of your Instagram sometimes is on ski ski so all the signs were there Matt on we can't we're gonna add to the to this whole conversation oh and by the way everyone listening she was also a professional ski yeah just to add to the um so that was I wasn't very good I wasn't very good at all we had no no choice guys I was born in the middle of nothing so it's like if we didn't ski like what's wrong with you yes my my fader of skin is tractor so basically that's what you do um but I think something interesting on that actually is I think um literally two days ago I was reading a an interview of one of the top trainers at Rafael Nadal Academy and he was saying like how is so crucial especially if you have a daughter that we all don't um is that they they do professional sports because if you have a girl and she does a sport professionally there's only 0.002% that she will actually become professional but 85% of chances she will become a successful CEO of Gotgo's bumps.
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Wow and I thought well then there you go wow isn't that so I feel that in my bones because I think you're used to I'm so used since I was like five six to challenge and to get disappointed to literally pick myself up from a from a fall on ski and just get over again and um so I think that's been such a huge life lesson.
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And then just to wrap that up if you if you take the essence of Nina the soul which has clearly driven you here isn't it amazing how it just orchestrates this journey of like the parents the ski slopes the being told that you can't go to the Maldives you know saying I will saying no I'm gonna get a gardener saying okay well I've been for whatever reason I can't speak fluent Italian so I'm gonna marry a foreigner so you go marry an Englishman and that you know I need to make money because independence gives me choice so then you do that and you master that and then here you are now and I think that's a lesson to everyone to follow your gut.
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Nina thank you so much so much Nina I've loved that conversation thank you so much guys that's so great