A _freak accident_ or pure evil - Unraveling the death of Phoebe Handsjuk _ Mystery _ Makeup

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Hi friends, how are you today? My name is Bailey Sarian.
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And today's Monday, which means it's murder, mystery and makeup
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Monday time. Okay, Hi, if you are new here, Hi again.
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My name is Bailey Sarian. And on Mondays, I sit down,
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I talk about true crime story that's been heavy on
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my nogin, and I do my makeup at the same time,
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you know, to keep my hands busy. If you're interested
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in true crime and you like makeup, I would say
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subscribe because I'm here for you on Mondays. Huh. So
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earlier today, I went to the dentist and they put
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those goofy little goggles on me to clean my teeth,
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you know, And there's a line right here on my forehead.
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I don't know if you can see it, but if
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you do see it, it's from the goofy goggles that
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they made me wear to clean my teeth. I was like,
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but you don't understand. I have the film a video,
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just kidding, but it's bugging me anyways. So it's there.
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So today's story, it's definitely one that's been heavy on
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my nogin because I mean, jeez, this story is so weird,
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so weird. Oh my Lord has kept me up so
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many nights because it's like you're trying to piece it
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all together to make it make sense, and none of
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it makes sense. So I should do some makeup. If
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you're ever curious to know what I'm using, I'll listit
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in the description box down below, But other than that,
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I will shut up and tell you about today's story.
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So takes place December two, twenty ten and the heart
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of Melbourne, Australia. So this story takes place at the
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Balencia Apartments. You know, they stand tall. They're a luxury
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high rise that promises like safety and sophistication. But something,
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something unthinkable happens. Phoebe hands stuck. A twenty four year
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old woman is found dead at the bottom of a
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garbage shoot. Yes, you heard that right, a garbage shoot. Now,
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it appeared she had fallen through the garbage disposal shoot
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from the twelfth floor, where Phoebe has sh shared an
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apartment with her boyfriend. I know, already weird. Though the
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police had ruled her death as a suicide and the
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corner had determined her death was a freak accident, many many, many,
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many did not accept this as her cause of death. No,
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so let's not get ahead of herselves. Let's rewind and
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get to know Phoebe a little bit. Phoebe sounded like
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a wonderful person. She was born May ninth, nineteen eighty
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six in Melbourne, Australia, to her mother Natalie and her
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father Lynn. Lynn was a psychiatrist and he had for
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a long time. He had been a psychiatrist for like
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forty years now. She had two younger brothers named Nikolai
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and Tom Yes, and the family lived in Richmond, which
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was like a suburb of Melbourne now. Growing up, it
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was said that Phoebe was known to be a free spirit,
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a wild child. She had a really active imagination. She
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loved being active herself, like going outside and nature or
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going to the ocean. She was also an avid climber
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and a martial artist. I know she's doing a lot.
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On top of all of this, she was artistically gifted
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and very creative. In school, she was very popular. She
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loved socializing. She liked being around her peers and people
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just overall really seemed to like her. She played on
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like a basketball team with some of her friends, and
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she was very competitive. She was really good too. She
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would like zip from one side of the court to
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the other, and like she was unstoppable on the court.
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It was also said that Phoebe was quite cheeky and playful,
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and she had like a really funny sense of humor.
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But on the other hand, she could be extremely sensitive, compassionate,
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and also quick tempered. Phoebe was known to feel things
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pretty deeply, and I was trying to think, like, what
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do you call that. I think an EmPATH, right, I
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think she would like feel deeply, okay, And I think
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a lot of times when you're a person like that
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who just feels a lot, it can lead to depression,
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you know. So Phoebe she really struggled with that too.
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It just seemed like Phoebe had a lot of emotions,
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as we all do, but you know, she felt a lot. Well.
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When Phoebe became a teenager, things got a little funky,
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as they do with like you know, a lot of teenagers,
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they go through that phase. She started experimenting with drugs
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and alcohol at fifteen, and you know, to her parents
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it was very troubling. She was acting out. It wasn't good.
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At one point, I guess she had like run away
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from home and she went to go live with this guy.
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Unsure how they met and stuff, so it doesn't matter,
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but she went to go live with this guy. He
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was like an ex convict and he was living with
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his kid, and she went to go live with him
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for like eight weeks teenagers. Again, not sure how she
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met this guy, but like that happened. I guess eventually
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Phoebe had she came home and then she got onto
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some antidepressants in hopes just to get her back on
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track and whatnot. And she did, like she seemed to
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get back on track. But then not long after, she
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met another guy. This guy was like twice her age
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and worked as a teacher, and I guess they started
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dating for a while. But still regardless, I mean, she
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was very protective of her family. She loved her brothers,
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and she had a very special and close relationship with
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her grandmother, and I guess like she would confide in
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her grandmother pretty often. Well, despite like these rocky years, Phoebe,
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you know, she still had like bigger plans for her
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future goals in life. Like one of her goals was
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to travel and go to India, like do aid work.
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So life carried on, you know, and Phoebe. When she
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was twenty three years old, she got a job working
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as a receptionist at Linley Godfrey hair salon in South Yarra.
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While she was there, she was working there, you know,
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and like that's where she met thirty nine year old
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Anthony Hample. Everyone called him Aunt for short, so I'm
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gonna call him Aunt. He worked as like an events promoter,
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and he worked with like a lot of celebrity clientele,
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people who had money, you know what I'm saying. He
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could like well, he would come into the hair salon
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and get his hair done, and that's how he met Phoebe.
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Many people said or thought that Aunt was quite handsome
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and he had come from like a really good family.
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His dad was a Supreme Court judge. Oh yes, his
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name was George Hample and his step mom was a
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county court judge. H not good, but we'll get into it. Anyways,
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she was named Felicity Hample. Well, Phoebe and Aunt, they
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you know, they meet each other, they hit it off,
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and they decide to start dating. And the two of
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them end up dating for like five months, and then
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they decide to move in together. Phoebe moves into his
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place his apartment. It's on Saint Kilda Road and they
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move in together in October of two thousand and nine.
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So again this was in that like luxury apartment. It
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was on the twelfth floor luxury apartment building called Valencia.
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It's a nice apartment building, big windows, beautiful views, lots
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of fancy amenities. It was mah nay, so just like this,
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like on the surface, seemed like this glamorous, cute couple.
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It's like beauty and business just live in this fancy life.
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But you and I both know that it's never like that,
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is it. Huh. Appearances are always deceiving. So it was
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said that, especially during this time. But Phoebe had an
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on again, off again relationship with alcohol, and at this
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time she was drinking a lot. I guess Aunt and
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Phoebe had a pretty rocky relationship. They would break up,
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they would get back together, break up, repeat. You know,
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she started seeing a psychiatrist, or she was seeing a psychiatrist,
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but Phoebe would tell her psychiatrists lots of things about
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her relationship with Aunt, like that he was verbally abusive,
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that he was aggressive, and mainly that she was upset
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in the relationship. It was said that her psychiatrist. Her
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psychiatrist later like kind of testified or whatever, but she
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said that she was working with Phoebe to like get
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out of this relationship or help her see that she
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needed to get out of this relationship, like it wasn't
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good for her, but Phoebe would always end up kind
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of going back. Phoebe had left Aunt like four different
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times in the six weeks before her death, and Phoebe's
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boss at the hair salon said that Aunt always managed
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to lure Phoebe back in one of those you know. Unfortunately,
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Phoebe's fourth return to Aunt would be her last. So
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December first, twenty ten, this was the day before her death,
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Phoebe had sent a really strange text message to her brothers,
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her parents, and her grandmother, oh and her boss. And
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the text message said quote, Hi family, I'm in bed
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and about to sleep, and when I wake, I will
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transform into the most incredible human being you've ever seen.
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Dot dot dot not I will go to hospital. It's
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safer there, and I hear the special tonight is tomato soup. Delicious, nutritious, nutritious, nutritia, nutritious.
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There we go. I love you all, very much, but
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not enough to send an individual text. Sorry about that,
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but time is sleep and I must be on my way. Merrily, merrily, merrily.
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Life is but a dream XO. I know if you've
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got that text message, what would you do? I'd be like, uh, okay, send,
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I don't know, you know, I don't know what I
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would say to that, but obviously it was concerning right.
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Phoebe's mother, Natalie, she received the text message like as
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she was boarding onto an airplane, so she knew she
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wasn't gonna get a response, so she reaches out to
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like her mom, who is Phoebe's grandma, and she asks
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her Jeanette is her name. Phoebe's grandma's name is Jeanette,
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so she asked Jeanette like, hey, can you can you
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check on Phoebe because she kind of lived close by well.
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Jeanette tried to call Phoebe, no answer, so she calls Aunt.
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No answer. So the next day, on December tewod at
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like ten thirty five in the morning, Jeanette Phoebe's grandma.
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She reaches out again to see if she can get
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an answer right, but this time she's able to reach
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Aunt and the first thing she asked Aunt was like,
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is Phoebe okay? And I guess Aunt was confused a
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little bit because he didn't know about Phoebe's bizarre text message. Allegedly,
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we don't know. He told Jeanette that he had left
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Phoebe sleeping peacefully that morning, but that he would swing
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by the apartment and like check on her since his
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office wasn't that far So on this day, Phoebe was,
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you know, just back at the apartment. At eleven forty
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four am, there was CCTV footage of her leaving the
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apartment because there was a fire alarm. Like, I guess,
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the fire alarm inside the building had accidentally been set off,
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so everyone had to get out. So you can see
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Phoebe on camera leaving with her dog, and then she
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takes some for a little walk, and then it's not
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even that long she's caught back on camera returning to
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the apartment complex and then she goes to the twelfth
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floor residents. Now, nobody knows what happened in the hours
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that followed. It's very bizarre. What we do know for
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sure is that Phoebe was drinking heavily, and that sounds
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kind of douchey to say, but like she was, she
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had a lot of alcohol in her system. So at
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some point Phoebe had left her apartment before seven o'clock PM.
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Because she leaves the apartment and she like somehow plunged
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down the garbage shoot. It's so weird. The garbage shoot
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was like right outside of the apartment, you know, on
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the wall. You know, you go to it, you open it,
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and then you drop garbage into it. I hope you
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know what I'm talking about. You know what I'm talking about.
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It's like with that thing that you open up when
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you drop off mail or trying to explain this and
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I think you get it, but sure, but it's pretty small,
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Like it measured just fourteen point five by eight point
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six inches, so not huge. But somehow she got in
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there and she fell nearly forty meters or one hundred
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and thirty one feet down from the twelfth floor. She
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gets in there and falls. Now she survived the fall,
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and I guess she was in the garbage room place.
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She was like desperately trying to get out. She's trying
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to get out the garbage bin that she fell in
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because she fell feet first. The garbage compactor at the
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bottom of the bin had essentially severed her right foot.
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I know, sadly, Phoebe bled out in the dark alone,
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and when she was found, her jeans were below her niece,
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kind of closer to her ankles, they were undone at
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the waist, and her belt was only threaded through the
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first two of like five belt loops. So just a
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very odd, weird what happened kind of scene. Okay, So
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let me tell you the days leading up to Phoebe's death.
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So things leading up to her death, I mean, they
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seemed really off. That Monday morning, Phoebe had an appointment
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with her a psychologist, who would later say that her
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mood was like very low. She seemed to be distressed
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regarding her relationship. And on that same Monday night, Phoebe
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and Aunt I guess had gone out with some friends
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to get dinner, but things didn't go so well. It
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was said that Phoebe was just like trying to open
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up and have a conversation with her friend, you know,
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fucking talk, and when she spoke, Aunt kept like shutting
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her down, preventing her from sharing her thoughts or emotions anything.
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The friends from dinner that night said that their evening
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had ended abruptly Phoebe and Aunt had left. Things were
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kind of tense, I guess. But when Phoebe and Aunt
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had left, they drove back to the apartment, and then
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they got into like a heated argument in the car park.
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It was said that Phoebe had like left the car
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park and tears. Then she called up an old party
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friend asking if they would meet with her for a
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drink at a bar nearby. So this friend agrees, I guess,
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they go to like a bar whatever, They have a
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few drinks, and they stay for like about an hour.
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The friend had noted that her phone was ringing NonStop,
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call after call after call, and later phone records revealed
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that Phoebe had missed twenty seven missed calls from Aunt
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during that hour she was at the bar. The friend
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from the dinner said, like the NonStop from Aunt had
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made her like really upset obviously, you know. So when
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they were leaving the bar, I guess, Phoebe was so
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annoyed that she just threw her phone across the street
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and it broke. It was said that Phoebe had two phones.
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She had the iPhone which she threw whatever, and the iPhone.
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It technically belonged to Aunt, like it was his phone,
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but she was using it. I guess it's like a
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girlfriend perk, like you can have my old phone. Like
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that was kind of the vibe I was getting. And
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then she had her old Nokia phone. I think that
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was like her main phone whatever. But her Nokia phone
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has actually never been found. No one knows where that went.
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It was said that Phoebe didn't return to the apartment
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that night. She was really angry, you know, which is
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probably for the better. She ended up driving out to
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her mom's house. Her mom was out of town, but
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she hung out with her mom's partner and stayed up
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talking just about her crappy relationship how unhappy she was. Then,
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based off of phone records, Phoebe had returned to her
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apartment by Tuesday morning, after Aunt had left for work.
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So Phoebe must have been feeling some type of way
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the next morning, because on Tuesday she had made a
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couple of phone calls to a crisis line at Alfred Hospital.
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Then she called her psychiatrist. Her psychiatrist later testified that
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Phoebe told her on the phone that she was extremely
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distressed about her relationship issues, that she was drinking heavily
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and that she felt unsafe. This is what the psychiatrist said,
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And I was like, damn, Like, shouldn't the psychiatrist have
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helped a little bit more. I guess I don't know.
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I don't know. Maybe I'm expecting too much. Just feels
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like if the client of yours says like I don't
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feel safe, that would be a red flag. But I
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don't know. It doesn't matter. So she makes these phone calls.
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I guess nothing really comes of it. Then before four pm,
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Phoebe sent out a texting her grandmother Jeanette, telling her
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that she would call her the next day. In a
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later interview, Aunt said that he when he got home Tuesday,
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he had taken Phoebe's iPhone and took it to like
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a repair shop that was close by because she had
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broken it from throwing it. But that's why she wasn't
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returning anyone's phone calls and stuff. That's what he said.
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So December second, in the morning, it was like a
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thirty nine o'clock. Aunt had left the apartment for work.
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This is the day she passed away. This day she
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had plans to have dinner with her father. It was
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his birthday, like a couple days ago, and she wanted
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to have dinner with him, and they were going to
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meet up at some restaurant and have dinner together. It
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was noted that around eight forty five in the morning,
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she had sent out an email and used the computer
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inside the apartment a couple of times, and then again
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at eleven forty three in the morning, that's when the
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fire alarm went off, So she had left the building.
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You know, she had returned to the building at like
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eleven fifty and once returning, she went back to the
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twelfth floor apartment. Again she used the computer and they
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were able to like track like computer movement and stuff.
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Then between the hours of twelve pm to seven pm. Again,
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nobody knows what the hell was going on. It's very unclear.
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Aunt had come home to the apartment at six pm.
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He was driving the range Rover. He pulled it into
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the building's basement garage ant, then took the elevator and
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like let himself into the apartment. Now, when he gets
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to the apartment, he couldn't remember if the front door
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was locked when he arrived or unlocked, But what he
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did remember was walking into the apartment and his dog, Yoshi,
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greeted him. But then he looks around and he notices
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that the apartment was just a hot mess. There were
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shards of broken glass on the floor. He said, it
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smelled like incense either were burning or had just been burning.
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The living room pillows were ripped. There were two wine
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glasses on the table. What was most concerning was that
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there was blood spattered across the keyboard and computer. What then,
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he said, he peeked into the bathroom and that's when
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he saw that on the floor was Phoebe's hair straightener
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and it was still plugged in. I know, if the
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hair straightener is plugged in and it's on the ground,
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you know something went down't so. On the kitchen counter
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was Phoebe's purse, wallet, and her keys, but Phoebe was
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nowhere to be found. Now, according to Aunt, everything is
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According to Aunt, there were several like post it notes
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with strange scribbles all over the kitchen counter. He knew
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that this stuff was. The posts were new because the
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house cleaner had combined like cleaned everything the day before,
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so they were recent. Aunt said. He went into the
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bedroom and he found what he called a shrine. On
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the bed. I don't know if I believe him on
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this one. There's no picks, but sure, he said, there's
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a shrine. He said that on the bed there was
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like a photo of himself and Phoebe and a photo
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of her cat, and what he later described as rambled notes.
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That the notes she writes when she's smashed, they don't
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make a lot of sense, That's what he said. So
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the apartment was concerning, and Phoebe was gone, but and
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he carried on with his night like everything was normal. Listen,
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he got some beer, He made a couple of phone calls,
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like friends and coworkers, and then he ordered some food delivery.
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You know, which is so weird, right, Like, even if
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everything was totally fine, let's say nothing bad even happened
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when you get home, wouldn't like the first thing you
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do if you see broken glass on the floor, you
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would clean up the broken glass. Right, you got a dog,
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Your dog might walk in it, spread it around everywhere.
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It's gonna get in your feet. Oh that's the worst
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when you get some glass in your foot. He didn't.
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He just like leaved everything as is and went on
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with his night. I think it was intentional. But then
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at six fifty one pm, it was like forty minutes
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had gone by, okay, since Aunt had come home. So
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Phoebe's father is calling Phoebe's iPhone. Len and Aunt have
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different memories as to what happened next. So, according to Len,
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Phoebe's father, Aunt answered his call on Phoebe's iPhone. Len
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said that he was calling Phoebe's phone to let her
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know that he was running late for dinner, but it
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went to voicemail within one minute of her dad's call. Aunt,
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for the first time ever, called Phoebe's dad. So Aunt
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tells Len that Phoebe's phone was not in the apartment,
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but he just so happened to call her dad the
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same minute he called her. Does that make sense? Aunt said, like,
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it was just like an odd coincidence. It's a weird
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one though. So on the other hand, Aunt said that
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he called Len from his own phone a minute later
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because he thought Phoebe might have gone to meet Lynn,
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and that he didn't know was a minute later because
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he didn't have phone. It was just a weird coincidence.
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That's crazy. Wow, the universe is so weird, right, everyone,
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regardless of who called to when both of them talked
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on the phone. Len had explained that he was trying
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to call Phoebe because you know, they made plans to
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have dinner to celebrate his birthday, and they were supposed
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to meet at one of Phoebe's favorite restaurants, it's called
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the Golden Triangle, and Len was calling to say again
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that he was running late. But Aunt told Len over
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the phone, she's not here, and then he goes on
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to say her bag and her keys are here, so
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like she can't be too far away. So Len was
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worried when Aunt said Phoebe wasn't in the apartment, and
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Len tells Aunt that maybe he should report her missing.
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An Aunt again on the phone, he's like mm hmm,
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He tells Len, No, I'm not going to report her missing,
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like it's not necessary. They don't listen until forty eight
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hours have passed and she'll be back by then. Everyone
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seems to always believe. I don't even know if that's
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true anymorety eight hours sing anyways, but he was like, no, no,
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it's fine. Meanwhile, between seven oh four and seven eleven PM,
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a concierge at the Balencia Apartments downstairs main lobby were there.
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Concierg was like, I need a broom. They gotta do
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some cleaning duties. Okay, So they go looking for a
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broom and they try to open the door, the door
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that's gonna lead them to the room, and this door
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was stuck right, stuck not moving. So then after a
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couple attempts to open the door, that's when this person
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comes across Phoebe lying in a pool of her own
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blood besides the garbage bin. Oh horrible. Could know? I
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was gonna say, could you imagine? No? I couldn't imagine
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that'd be awful. Obviously. The first thing they did was
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dial zero zero zero, which is equivalent to nine one
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one zero zero zero makes way more sense. It's easy,
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it's right there, zero zero zero. I don't know why
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they make us do nine like it's not zero zero
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zero makes more sense, thank you. So the police end
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up showing up and they were given the keys to
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the garbage room, where again it appears Phoebe had just
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plummeted forty meters to the ground floor. She must have
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like landed in the garbage compactor, leaving her with several
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injuries and almost a severed foot. They came to the
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conclusion that like Phoebe, when she landed, she was still
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alive because around the garbage bins there were blood smears
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where she must have gotten her strength to get up
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and like crawl out of the bin, and then she
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was bleeding to death while she struggled to find the exit.
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Poor thing, so sad. So an ambulance was called at
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seven to twenty pm, which was like twenty minutes after
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Phoebe was initially found. So the paramedics arrived, they're like
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seven minutes later, and their presence just seemed to add
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like chaos in this relatively small foyer and the corrador
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area that led to the garbage room. So one of
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the paramedics, her name was Christie, and she was told
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by police the room was a crime scene and she
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was not allowed to enter the area. Now this went
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against like all of Christie's training and instincts, but still
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like there was nothing she could do. I mean, the
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police were in charge and they wouldn't let her enter.
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Christy wasn't happy about being prevented from trying to help,
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and it was said like well, she later said she
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lost a lot of sleep over it and that there
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were like no reports that anyone laid hands on Phoebe
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to see if she was still warm or to check
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like if she was actually dead, which is fucked up.
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But the room was considered a crime scene, so police
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didn't allow anyone in until the crime scene specialists arrived,
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which was like hours later. So not long after, one
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of the managers of the apartments shows up. His name
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was Eric, so it's Eric guy. He goes up to
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police and he's like, hey, you know, we have CCTV footage.
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You know, maybe you guys want to get that or
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I can give that to you and it would help
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with like the situation. Eric also told the officers that
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they would have to act quickly because the camera footage
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operated on a two day loop, meaning that it would
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record over previous footage every two days. So Eric said
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in an interview quote I suggested to the police that
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if they needed any CCTV they should start downloading. He
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also said, quote they didn't really respond to me suggesting this,
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Thank you, Eric, So the cameras kept running. Police told
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Eric like, we'll let you know if we need the footage,
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we'll call you pretty much. So then two days go by,
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and of course the police are like, hey, can we
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get that CCTV footage? It's not funny, it's just stupid, right, Yeah,
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obviously the tapes had filmed over, some of them had
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at this point, so they were able to get like
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three or four of the camera foot from like the
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sixteen cameras. Yeah, the rest had been filmed over with
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like new footage. Meanwhile, all this is going on downstairs
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and was just completely unaware, living in his own little world,
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you know. So again he ordered some takeout. He actually
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00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:21.720
ordered takeout from the Golden Triangle, which was like the
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restaurant Phoebe and her dad were supposed to go to
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that evening. Don't you think that's a little weird. I
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thought that was a little weird, Like, why wouldn't he
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you just go with them? Or was he trying to
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make it seem like he did go with them. I
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00:27:33.240 --> 00:27:35.279
don't know, I might be overthinking, and I just thought
477
00:27:35.279 --> 00:27:38.920
that was weird. So he ordered delivery just for himself,
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and the food arrived just after like eight pm. The
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food was delivered to his apartment. Knock, knock, knock, your
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foods here. So Aunt answers the door and the food
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delivery man asks Aunt, like, hey, what's going on here?
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And Ant was like what are you talking about? Like,
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what do you mean? What's going on? And then delivery
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00:27:55.319 --> 00:27:56.960
man was like out front, like the front of the
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00:27:57.000 --> 00:28:00.559
building is swarming with cops. There are police cars, ambulance,
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like I had to prop my bike up on the street.
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And then he left it with like, I hope your
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00:28:04.799 --> 00:28:08.079
food isn't cold. So Aunt takes the food, he brings
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it inside, he puts it down. He had downstairs where
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he sees a bunch of police officers and stuff, and
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he goes up to one of the detectives and he's like,
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what's going on. So this is when the senior sergeant
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00:28:18.920 --> 00:28:21.400
told Aunt that a woman's body had been found in
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the trash compactor room. Apparently Aunt had followed that with, Oh, no,
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00:28:26.519 --> 00:28:29.079
my girlfriend is missing. Could it be her? My acting
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00:28:29.160 --> 00:28:32.720
kind of sucks? Oh no, So Aunt like starts to ramble.
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I think he's in a panic, you know, because his
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00:28:35.119 --> 00:28:37.920
girlfriend is missing. But he tells the sergeant like, oh,
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my girlfriend's been missing all day. I've been at work.
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I was trying to call her every couple hours. I
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00:28:42.200 --> 00:28:45.559
got no response. He also tells the sergeant like she's
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suffering from depression and taking medication. That she wasn't home
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when I got home. I tried calling her, no answer.
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00:28:52.799 --> 00:28:55.680
Sometimes she disappears like I don't know, maybe she'll turn up.
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Just list of things like okay. He even tells the
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00:29:00.200 --> 00:29:02.200
sergeant about the post it notes. It's like, yeah, and
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00:29:02.200 --> 00:29:03.880
then she left some post it notes. I have no
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00:29:03.960 --> 00:29:06.319
idea like where she went. Anthony goes back up to
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00:29:06.359 --> 00:29:08.839
the apartment to grab like a recent photo of Phoebe,
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00:29:08.920 --> 00:29:11.920
so you know they could id her. So when Aunt
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shows the image to the sergeant, that's when they confirm, like,
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00:29:15.079 --> 00:29:19.160
we think this is Phoebe. So the sergeant and another
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00:29:19.240 --> 00:29:22.039
detective they go up to Aunt in Phoebe's apartment to
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00:29:22.119 --> 00:29:25.440
examine the area and the surrounding area. This is where
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the police completely flopped. The detectives noted that there were
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00:29:29.279 --> 00:29:34.319
there were several interesting factors. There were some broken glass
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00:29:34.359 --> 00:29:37.960
and some blood on the floor. The post it notes
518
00:29:38.200 --> 00:29:42.839
were strange, allegedly left by Phoebe, and it was also
519
00:29:42.920 --> 00:29:45.119
strange that the dog was in the process of ripping
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00:29:45.240 --> 00:29:48.599
up another cushion. They were like, noted. The two detectives
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00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:51.799
also searched the entire twelfth floor and found blood on
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the floor of the refuse room where the garbage shoe
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00:29:54.960 --> 00:29:58.519
was like located. They also found a mixture of DNA
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00:29:59.039 --> 00:30:02.240
from at least like two people was in the bloodstains
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on the inside door of the ground floor refuse room.
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00:30:08.079 --> 00:30:11.640
So they find all this like blood and stuff, and like,
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I don't know, they didn't test any of it. Oh no,
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none of it. So again, they also found blood around
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the apartment itself, like near the computer. Now, the police
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00:30:25.519 --> 00:30:30.160
they took some photos, but for some reason they didn't
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00:30:30.160 --> 00:30:32.920
take pictures of everything. They took like like three photos.
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00:30:32.960 --> 00:30:35.839
It seemed like. Also they didn't test for DNA on
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00:30:35.920 --> 00:30:38.920
that blood either. Police didn't take any of Phoebe's or
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Ant's devices. None of the laptops or cell phones were examined.
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They were also large shoe prints that were leading away
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from the apartment that was noted pointed out, but no
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00:30:53.200 --> 00:30:58.039
photos and no samples were taken. Okay, I mean it
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00:30:58.079 --> 00:31:00.559
could have been hers, but like based off what didn't
539
00:31:00.559 --> 00:31:02.039
seem like it was hers. It seemed like they were
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00:31:02.039 --> 00:31:05.240
like questionable shoe prints. So again it was noted that
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there were two glasses on the kitchen counter area. One
542
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appeared to have wine in it. The other one looked
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00:31:10.680 --> 00:31:13.200
like it was kind of empty. But there were two glasses,
544
00:31:13.240 --> 00:31:15.319
so a lot of people think there were two people. Honestly,
545
00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:17.759
when looking at the glasses, I was thinking one kind
546
00:31:17.759 --> 00:31:19.799
of looked like it would have hard liquor in it,
547
00:31:19.839 --> 00:31:21.480
and the other one was like a chaser. That's what
548
00:31:21.559 --> 00:31:25.160
kind of reminded me of. But like, either way, none
549
00:31:25.160 --> 00:31:28.200
of the glasses were taken for like fingerprints or DNA.
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00:31:28.599 --> 00:31:32.559
There was one person at the scene who said, like
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inside the apartment, on like a wall that was kind
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00:31:36.920 --> 00:31:39.920
of near the kitchen, there was a large smudge on
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00:31:39.960 --> 00:31:42.640
it and it was said to be like a dark substance,
554
00:31:43.880 --> 00:31:47.279
but again no photos or samples taken. It kind of
555
00:31:47.319 --> 00:31:49.920
sounded like this dark substance was like I'm jumping to
556
00:31:50.000 --> 00:31:53.559
conclusions here, but like like when your skin comes in
557
00:31:53.599 --> 00:31:55.720
contact with the wall and at least behind like that,
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00:31:56.000 --> 00:31:59.640
it kind of gets a greasy and dirty looking. Just me,
559
00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:02.200
but that's kind of like what it sounded like, you know,
560
00:32:02.279 --> 00:32:05.720
like someone had smudged up against it, but they didn't
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00:32:05.720 --> 00:32:08.240
get a photo. So, like I said, many people believe
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00:32:08.279 --> 00:32:11.599
like police really botched this investigation, and I'm sure you
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00:32:11.599 --> 00:32:14.839
can agree. I think they did. So when the time
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came Anthony or Aunt, he told the detectives that he
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00:32:18.839 --> 00:32:24.359
was too upset to view Phoebe's body and id her,
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so her parents ended up doing it. But once he
567
00:32:27.759 --> 00:32:29.759
was alone, he called up his mom, her name was
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Suzanne Owen, and his stepfather, his name is Robert. He
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calls them at first. He then calls Phoebe's father, Lenn,
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to tell him that Phoebe had died. Then Len told
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like the rest of the family passed on the bad news.
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00:32:42.480 --> 00:32:44.519
So I guess when Phoebe's grandmother was called, Like, the
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first thing she said when she picked up the phone
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was like, is she okay? You know, wondering about Phoebe,
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Because like I said earlier, Janette was super super close
576
00:32:53.240 --> 00:32:57.279
to her granddaughter Phoebe, and like, probably not the whole
577
00:32:57.279 --> 00:32:59.720
family has sounded like Phoebe and her grandma had a
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00:32:59.720 --> 00:33:04.359
super close relationship and was one of her closest confidants.
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And then the days leading up to Phoebe's passing, I
580
00:33:07.119 --> 00:33:10.599
guess Phoebe had actually gone and visited her grandma and
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she told her that she was going to leave her
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boyfriend Aunt, and her grandma told her gave her some
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00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:19.000
advice and was like, you should go back to the
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apartment and like tell him that it's over face to face,
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00:33:23.119 --> 00:33:25.200
you know, and make sure like you end on good terms.
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00:33:25.599 --> 00:33:29.240
That's what her grandma says her, and like in interviews now,
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00:33:29.359 --> 00:33:32.079
like to this day, her grandma, I think we understand
588
00:33:32.160 --> 00:33:36.160
why regrets ever saying that. Jeanette. She ended up showing,
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you know, Phoebe's grandma. She ended up showing texts that
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00:33:38.960 --> 00:33:41.759
she got from Aunt from that morning. The morning of
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Phoebe's death, Jeanette had texted Aunt asking like how they
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00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:47.720
both were, and he had replied at like eight thirty
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in the morning. He wrote back, thanks Marm, Marm, she
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00:33:52.839 --> 00:33:55.400
is sleeping beauty right now and not the beast. She
595
00:33:55.680 --> 00:33:58.720
was resting well and I've explained now is the time
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00:33:58.759 --> 00:34:01.319
to heal. Then when she feels okay, we'll work out
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00:34:01.359 --> 00:34:06.559
a plan. So Victoria police concluded that Phoebe's death was
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00:34:06.599 --> 00:34:09.599
the result of a suicide, and in the corner they
599
00:34:09.719 --> 00:34:12.960
ruled that her death was a freak accident. According to
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the Corners, Phoebe had a blood alcohol level of point
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one six, which is like three times legal limit. So
602
00:34:21.519 --> 00:34:24.800
they know, like her final hours involved heavy drinking. Phoebe
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00:34:24.840 --> 00:34:27.960
also had still Knocks in her system, which is a
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00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:31.920
prescription sleeping pill, and the corners believe she had taken
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00:34:32.480 --> 00:34:35.519
like one or two of these sleeping pills. Now, the
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00:34:35.599 --> 00:34:39.719
corner's opinion was that Phoebe, while inside her apartment, had
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00:34:39.800 --> 00:34:44.480
accidentally broken a glass and she attempted to clean it up,
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00:34:44.840 --> 00:34:47.679
and while doing so, she must have accidentally cut herself
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and that's why there was like blood in the apartment.
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She then carried a garbage bag to the garbage chute,
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00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:56.039
and because she was so intoxicated, she made the decision
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00:34:56.199 --> 00:34:59.320
to climb into the garbage chute on her own, which
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then led to her death. They even went on to
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say that Phoebe most likely was in a sleepwalking state
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00:35:04.679 --> 00:35:07.079
after drinking the alcohol and like taking the sleeping pills,
616
00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:12.719
and like, okay, sure, but to many this didn't add up.
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00:35:12.760 --> 00:35:15.480
This didn't make sense. And I'll tell you why police
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00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:21.760
during their investigation didn't look into the garbage And you're like,
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why would they do that, Because if Phoebe didn't throw
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00:35:24.599 --> 00:35:26.519
her trash away or whatever, and like this is the
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00:35:26.559 --> 00:35:29.239
story that they think happened, then maybe they could try
622
00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:33.280
and like, you know, tie a garbage bag to Phoebe's
623
00:35:33.320 --> 00:35:35.599
apartment kind of help with their story to make it
624
00:35:35.639 --> 00:35:37.800
make sense. And if they find like a bag belonging
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00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:41.159
to her and like their apartment trash, it would make sense.
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00:35:41.280 --> 00:35:45.639
But you know, police failed to like make any connection there.
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So at the scene, Phoebe's sunglasses were found right next
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to her in the refuse room, which led to many
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people asking, like, why would she take her sunglasses with
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00:35:54.519 --> 00:35:59.199
her while attempting to climb into a garbage chute, like
631
00:35:59.239 --> 00:36:02.480
they were on her head or something they believe. Also,
632
00:36:02.599 --> 00:36:05.000
when she was found, her jeans were down to like
633
00:36:05.079 --> 00:36:08.760
below her knees and her belt was only looped into
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00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:14.840
two of the five belt loops. Now, if she fell
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00:36:14.960 --> 00:36:19.679
feet first into a narrow garbage chuot her jeans, they
636
00:36:19.719 --> 00:36:23.360
wouldn't slip down, they would slip up, or they'd be
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00:36:23.440 --> 00:36:27.400
pushed upwards, you know, so like didn't make sense. And
638
00:36:27.440 --> 00:36:31.519
also her falling down a garbage chute wouldn't undo her belt.
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Many people would have suggested, like, oh, it kind of
640
00:36:34.320 --> 00:36:36.280
seemed like she was in the middle of like looping
641
00:36:36.280 --> 00:36:39.280
her belt into her jeans and then she ended up
642
00:36:39.280 --> 00:36:41.880
there or something like nobody could make sense of the
643
00:36:42.039 --> 00:36:46.519
jeans or her sunglasses. There's just kind of like a
644
00:36:46.599 --> 00:36:49.360
weird it's super weird. There's no answers there, not even
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00:36:49.400 --> 00:36:51.880
the corners or anyone could like make sense of it.
646
00:36:52.159 --> 00:36:58.880
So Phoebe's grandfather, this guy's so great, so great. I
647
00:36:58.960 --> 00:37:02.320
just feel bad because, like the circumstances are awful obviously,
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00:37:02.480 --> 00:37:07.079
But her grandfather, he's a retired police detective, and he
649
00:37:07.199 --> 00:37:09.840
was not convinced. He was like, Phoebe was murdered. I
650
00:37:09.840 --> 00:37:11.800
think she was murdered, and he wanted to prove that
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00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:14.719
it would have been virtually impossible to climb into a
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garbage chute on your own, because if these reports were true,
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like Phoebe would have to climb into the chute feet first,
654
00:37:20.960 --> 00:37:23.679
which is tough, especially if you're in like a sleep
655
00:37:23.800 --> 00:37:26.119
like state, like it's not on the ground or anything like.
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00:37:26.159 --> 00:37:28.760
This garbage chute thing is like a pie. The garbage
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chute had a twenty two centimeter latch, and the opening
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00:37:32.800 --> 00:37:35.440
of this thing is like a little wider than a laptop.
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00:37:35.639 --> 00:37:39.039
There were no handholds or like supporting structures on the
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00:37:39.079 --> 00:37:42.239
wall near the garbage chute, so getting into the thing
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00:37:42.280 --> 00:37:45.880
alone would be super difficult. On top of that, once
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00:37:45.920 --> 00:37:49.800
something is inserted into the chute, the door automatically closes,
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00:37:50.239 --> 00:37:54.000
which again would make it very hard to enter the
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shoote there was like a retired detective his name was
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Rolling Leg. He would say, like, one of the major problems,
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apart from the dimensions, is that the door comes up
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00:38:05.159 --> 00:38:08.559
against your lower back and jams you in, so trying
668
00:38:08.599 --> 00:38:13.400
to maneuver yourself is then not helped by the fact
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that there is nothing to grip onto. So this is
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where Phoebe's grandpa is like a badass because he's like,
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I'm gonna do my own experiment. He had a model
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who was the same size as Phoebe. He brings them
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00:38:24.840 --> 00:38:26.960
in and has them try to get into the shoot
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on their own, which turns out was just not possible.
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There's footage of this because they uploaded it on YouTube,
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00:38:34.000 --> 00:38:35.800
so you can actually watch it. But they tried numerous
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00:38:35.840 --> 00:38:38.480
times with failed results every time, so then they tried
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00:38:38.519 --> 00:38:41.400
it again. The model person had some assistance. It was
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like another person lifting her up and putting her into
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the chute, and that worked, but it required her to
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00:38:48.400 --> 00:38:51.639
raise her arms above her head to successfully get in
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and that's where it's saying because the investigators who analyzed
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the crime scene said that Phoebe's arms were most likely
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by her side during the fall because she had a
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00:39:02.199 --> 00:39:04.039
bunch of injuries on her arms, and they're like that
686
00:39:04.320 --> 00:39:06.800
means like her arms were probably down by her side.
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Now this part is where it just screams, like like
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I don't even know what the screams. It's just annoying
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because they saw that she had bruises, because Phoebe had
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several bruises on her arms, neck and wrists, and they
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were like handmarks, like come on, like someone was grabbing
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00:39:25.719 --> 00:39:28.679
and they even say, like in the reports it could
693
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be from someone like being aggressive and grabbing, but it
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also could be from something else. It's just like, okay,
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but there was some on her arms, and there was
696
00:39:39.639 --> 00:39:43.559
one on her neck too, Come the fuck on the
697
00:39:43.679 --> 00:39:48.039
corner and the police were like, nope, those are from
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00:39:48.039 --> 00:39:50.360
the fall itself, and they were like set on this.
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They still are. So then when the corner came out
700
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and ruled Phoebe's death as like suicide, slash, freak accident,
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00:39:59.239 --> 00:40:06.519
whatever the hell said, Aunt applied for Phoebe's superuation fund.
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Sure I said that right, Australia. But it's like it's
703
00:40:10.599 --> 00:40:12.800
kind of like a retirement or savings plan that's used
704
00:40:12.800 --> 00:40:15.280
in Australia. In other words, he was trying to receive
705
00:40:15.320 --> 00:40:18.679
a death benefit payment and like this was just not
706
00:40:18.800 --> 00:40:23.800
even long after they came out with the report. I
707
00:40:23.840 --> 00:40:26.840
wonder if he had debts. Aunt's father, remember he was
708
00:40:27.079 --> 00:40:30.280
a judge, big judge. His name is George Temple. He
709
00:40:30.679 --> 00:40:34.360
signed a statutory declaration, which is like a legal statement.
710
00:40:34.559 --> 00:40:39.079
So an ant's declaration, George Hampble exaggerated the length of
711
00:40:39.119 --> 00:40:43.760
Aunt and Phoebe's living situation. He said where he assigned
712
00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:46.599
signed a thing that said that Phoebe and Aunt were
713
00:40:46.639 --> 00:40:50.360
living together for six months longer than they actually were,
714
00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:56.840
in order for Aunt to receive Phoebe's payment. No no, now.
715
00:40:56.960 --> 00:40:59.199
Aunt ended up receiving a payment of one hundred and
716
00:40:59.239 --> 00:41:03.880
thirteen thousand dollars. So that's a lot. Damn. You guys
717
00:41:03.880 --> 00:41:06.239
got some good benefits out there, huh. So he receives
718
00:41:06.280 --> 00:41:10.559
the payment and then they were like several disputes. Obviously
719
00:41:10.599 --> 00:41:12.760
the family was very upset by this and they were
720
00:41:12.760 --> 00:41:16.119
trying to find him on it, and eventually Aunt kind
721
00:41:16.159 --> 00:41:19.519
of gives in and he gives some money to Phoebe's brothers,
722
00:41:19.920 --> 00:41:22.239
but the fact that he did that in the first place,
723
00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:26.519
huh wow, Oh, that's not all. So then and and
724
00:41:26.559 --> 00:41:30.960
his family they hold a funeral for Phoebe at some
725
00:41:31.119 --> 00:41:33.599
fancy yacht club. It was said that like some of
726
00:41:33.639 --> 00:41:37.159
Phoebe's closest friends weren't even invited. I think it was
727
00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:40.360
just for show. And then Phoebe's family they had their
728
00:41:40.360 --> 00:41:42.960
own funeral which was more modest. It was by the river,
729
00:41:44.119 --> 00:41:48.559
and Ant did not attend. So just weeks after Phoebe's
730
00:41:48.599 --> 00:41:54.239
death and actually sold his apartment at the Balencia. Many
731
00:41:54.320 --> 00:41:59.239
thought weird. So Phoebe's family was really pushing for like
732
00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:03.000
the police investigators in the courts to like investigate this
733
00:42:03.159 --> 00:42:06.360
death because it was it's strange, it's bizarre, right, But
734
00:42:06.559 --> 00:42:10.239
of course, like Aunt and his family strongly opposed into
735
00:42:10.239 --> 00:42:14.639
looking into Phoebe's death further. The coroner had ruled that
736
00:42:14.679 --> 00:42:17.960
the combination of sleeping pills and alcohol had affected Phoebe's
737
00:42:18.000 --> 00:42:21.760
mental state, which led to her entering the garbage shoot
738
00:42:22.039 --> 00:42:26.280
and losing her life. The coroners had like an assisting council,
739
00:42:26.679 --> 00:42:29.119
they disagreed they were saying that this evidence left the
740
00:42:29.159 --> 00:42:34.400
possibility of third party involvement, which possibly included Aunt. But
741
00:42:34.519 --> 00:42:38.079
what the coroner ruled ruled, so it didn't matter what
742
00:42:38.119 --> 00:42:42.599
other people said to sodom, I wonder who's paying them off.
743
00:42:42.800 --> 00:42:46.320
So Phoebe's family had actually tried to challenge the corner's
744
00:42:46.320 --> 00:42:50.360
findings like multiple times, but nothing ever really seemed to
745
00:42:50.440 --> 00:42:53.960
come from it. They kept getting denied. Phoebe's parents were
746
00:42:54.000 --> 00:42:57.280
straight up told like that it would be challenging trying
747
00:42:57.320 --> 00:43:01.519
to find a lawyer that would go against ants parents. Again,
748
00:43:01.960 --> 00:43:05.280
one was a Supreme Court judge his dad and his
749
00:43:05.320 --> 00:43:12.840
stepmom was a county court judge. So yeah, Then in
750
00:43:12.880 --> 00:43:18.960
August twenty thirteen, a coroner's inquest into Phoebe's death was launched.
751
00:43:19.360 --> 00:43:23.440
They finally decided, okay, fine, we'll look into this. So obviously,
752
00:43:23.519 --> 00:43:26.519
like Anthony's attorney objected to the notion that Phoebe was murdered,
753
00:43:27.000 --> 00:43:29.280
He's like, no, look at what everyone else said. And
754
00:43:29.360 --> 00:43:35.079
during the inquest, Corner Peter White had testified once again
755
00:43:35.119 --> 00:43:39.239
that Phoebe Sleeve walked herself right into that shoe. But
756
00:43:39.599 --> 00:43:42.760
there's a detective. His name is Detective O'Brien. He was
757
00:43:42.800 --> 00:43:46.800
actually with Aunt the night of Phoebe's death, and he testified,
758
00:43:47.119 --> 00:43:52.360
saying that Anthony's demeanor at the time was strange, like
759
00:43:52.480 --> 00:43:55.840
go on, yes, what about it? What? In a statement
760
00:43:56.119 --> 00:43:59.880
to the court, detective O'Brien said that he remembered Aunt cry,
761
00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:02.400
but that there were no tears running down his face,
762
00:44:03.320 --> 00:44:06.280
nor did it appear that there had been any at all.
763
00:44:06.719 --> 00:44:10.000
He added that Aunt was sniffling, yet there was no
764
00:44:10.039 --> 00:44:13.000
sign of mucus or snot coming from his nose. He
765
00:44:13.079 --> 00:44:15.639
also said that his eyes were not bloodshot or red,
766
00:44:15.719 --> 00:44:22.559
and his face appeared quite normal again. That night, like
767
00:44:22.760 --> 00:44:25.199
police officers went to Aunt and they were like, hey,
768
00:44:25.239 --> 00:44:27.960
we need to like get your statement, and Aunt tripp
769
00:44:28.039 --> 00:44:31.199
told the officer, Oh, I can type the statement up myself.
770
00:44:31.519 --> 00:44:34.400
He told the officer like, I'm a really fast typist.
771
00:44:34.639 --> 00:44:36.760
I can just type it for you really quick. And
772
00:44:36.800 --> 00:44:40.280
the officer was like, uh okay, And he said. The
773
00:44:40.320 --> 00:44:44.119
officer said that as soon as Aunt started typing his statement,
774
00:44:44.440 --> 00:44:48.719
he immediately stopped crying and appeared calm and composed. There
775
00:44:48.800 --> 00:44:51.280
was someone else who came forward and said Aunt was
776
00:44:51.320 --> 00:44:53.800
being weird. One of his longtime friends, her name was
777
00:44:53.880 --> 00:44:59.920
Vanessa Levin. She was shocked at his unusual behavior after
778
00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:04.400
Phoebe's death. She said that he appeared to enjoy all
779
00:45:04.480 --> 00:45:07.039
the people that were coming by his apartment, saying that
780
00:45:07.079 --> 00:45:11.119
he was lapping up the attention. This friend also said
781
00:45:11.159 --> 00:45:15.199
that while she was visiting aunt, he would be totally fine, normal,
782
00:45:15.280 --> 00:45:18.639
Everything was great. He was scrolling on Facebook, answering emails.
783
00:45:18.639 --> 00:45:20.599
But then as soon as like a visitor came by,
784
00:45:21.000 --> 00:45:23.000
he would go to the couch, grab a pillow, go
785
00:45:23.079 --> 00:45:26.639
into the fetal position, and just cry. Do we expect
786
00:45:26.719 --> 00:45:29.760
him to be crying all day every day? No, But
787
00:45:29.880 --> 00:45:33.400
this friend was saying that it seemed like he was
788
00:45:33.480 --> 00:45:36.599
turning on and off his emotions. You know what I'm saying.
789
00:45:36.679 --> 00:45:38.599
It seemed like a performance. A little bit now, when
790
00:45:38.639 --> 00:45:42.679
Phoebe's grandmother, Jeannette came over to the apartment, she said
791
00:45:43.000 --> 00:45:46.400
something was off. She looked around the apartment and she
792
00:45:46.480 --> 00:45:48.559
was like, there is nothing around this apartment that even
793
00:45:48.599 --> 00:45:52.159
belongs to Phoebe or like shows Phoebe's personality. What you
794
00:45:52.159 --> 00:45:55.199
would assume there would be like traces of your existence
795
00:45:55.360 --> 00:45:58.199
in your apartment that you live in, right, she said,
796
00:45:58.199 --> 00:46:01.360
there was nothing around the apartment that was a Phoebe's
797
00:46:01.440 --> 00:46:06.480
except for carefully arranged photographs of Aunt and Phoebe that
798
00:46:06.519 --> 00:46:08.559
were like laid out on the table. She was like,
799
00:46:08.599 --> 00:46:10.800
this is weird because Phoebe liked to page. She was
800
00:46:10.960 --> 00:46:13.840
a colorful person, like you know, so she was just like,
801
00:46:13.880 --> 00:46:17.960
this is weird. So there was another friend, This one's weird.
802
00:46:18.760 --> 00:46:21.320
It was Ant's friend. His name was Christo. I guess
803
00:46:21.320 --> 00:46:24.199
they were like work colleagues, and it was said that
804
00:46:24.239 --> 00:46:29.119
their relationship was only professional, but many disagree that it
805
00:46:29.159 --> 00:46:32.239
was only professional. They seemed extra friendly, like there's many
806
00:46:32.239 --> 00:46:35.079
photos of them on Facebook that made them seem like
807
00:46:35.079 --> 00:46:38.400
they're really good personal friends. Like there's photos of them
808
00:46:38.679 --> 00:46:41.840
on a yacht in Europe, and the two of them
809
00:46:41.880 --> 00:46:45.880
would like engage in some bantern the comments section, people
810
00:46:45.880 --> 00:46:49.000
were like, okay, but that's not the point. The point
811
00:46:49.199 --> 00:46:53.599
is that Christo would go to Ant's apartment concierge office
812
00:46:54.119 --> 00:46:58.000
and go speak with the lady who initially found Phoebe's body.
813
00:46:59.360 --> 00:47:02.920
Why well, Christo had showed up with like a bottle
814
00:47:02.920 --> 00:47:06.719
of wine and some chocolate for the woman and then
815
00:47:06.800 --> 00:47:10.159
started talking with her about Phoebe's death and how she
816
00:47:10.199 --> 00:47:13.039
struggled with depression and then Aunt tried to help her,
817
00:47:13.280 --> 00:47:15.960
but that Phoebe didn't want to be saved, like going
818
00:47:16.000 --> 00:47:18.840
on and on about it. Yes, this guy, this random
819
00:47:18.880 --> 00:47:23.440
ass guy. Huh, this friend was telling the concierge lady
820
00:47:23.519 --> 00:47:26.639
like all of this now, I guess. It was said
821
00:47:26.800 --> 00:47:30.280
that Christo had visited the concierg like every second or
822
00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:33.320
third day for about two weeks and was like having
823
00:47:33.360 --> 00:47:37.679
the same conversation. Weird, right, So after so many visits,
824
00:47:37.760 --> 00:47:40.880
I get the concierg pretty much told him like, don't
825
00:47:40.880 --> 00:47:43.199
come back because you're upsetting You're upsetting me, Like I
826
00:47:43.199 --> 00:47:46.000
don't want to talk about this with you. So they
827
00:47:46.000 --> 00:47:51.239
told him not to come back. Isn't that weird though? Right?
828
00:47:51.440 --> 00:47:54.400
Like what was that about? What was that? I mean,
829
00:47:54.440 --> 00:47:56.280
it's not illegal to do that, but like you know,
830
00:47:58.519 --> 00:48:02.039
when Aunt was like directly whether he had any involvement
831
00:48:02.119 --> 00:48:05.400
with Phoebe's death, he said absolutely not. Just how to
832
00:48:05.400 --> 00:48:07.639
throw that out there. He did deny it. He told
833
00:48:07.719 --> 00:48:10.400
everyone that Phoebe was depressed, she was drinking a lot,
834
00:48:10.440 --> 00:48:12.519
she was borrowing money from him, and like maybe it
835
00:48:12.639 --> 00:48:15.639
was suicide, like maybe she was over it. Like Aunt
836
00:48:15.719 --> 00:48:19.039
mentioned though that before her death, he had bought tickets
837
00:48:19.079 --> 00:48:22.159
for them for him and Phoebe to go to Paris together,
838
00:48:22.320 --> 00:48:25.400
like the next month, it was like three weeks, and
839
00:48:25.440 --> 00:48:27.280
that it was something that she was looking forward to,
840
00:48:27.639 --> 00:48:30.719
and like this was confirmed by Phoebe's family that Aunt
841
00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:33.559
had purchased tickets to go to Paris with her. So
842
00:48:34.280 --> 00:48:36.679
she had told one of her family members that she
843
00:48:36.840 --> 00:48:39.360
wanted out of the relationship, but she was going to
844
00:48:39.480 --> 00:48:42.119
like suck it up until after the trip. I say
845
00:48:42.119 --> 00:48:44.000
that only because it was kind of like part of
846
00:48:44.039 --> 00:48:46.360
their defense. Like, see, she didn want't have killed herself.
847
00:48:46.400 --> 00:48:49.639
She was making plans, you know, I don't know. Because
848
00:48:49.679 --> 00:48:53.239
Phoebe's death was initially listed as a suicide, this prevented
849
00:48:53.320 --> 00:48:58.760
further investigation or investigations like trying to access and analyze
850
00:48:58.800 --> 00:49:02.440
Phoebe's computer and email, and Phoebe's parents were finally able
851
00:49:02.480 --> 00:49:05.719
to access her Gmail account, only to find out that
852
00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:09.360
all the Phoebe sent emails had been wiped out and deleted.
853
00:49:10.719 --> 00:49:14.159
So Aunt had a sister. Her name was Christie, but
854
00:49:14.239 --> 00:49:18.480
apparently she had a pretty close bond with Phoebe, Like
855
00:49:18.519 --> 00:49:22.719
they're close. So Christy is a hample, meaning she has
856
00:49:22.840 --> 00:49:27.039
powerful parents. But Christie was like a bad ache. She
857
00:49:27.039 --> 00:49:30.639
would sell drugs. She would get into trouble, you know,
858
00:49:31.280 --> 00:49:34.199
but she would sell like her drugs to Aunt's friends
859
00:49:34.239 --> 00:49:38.800
and like some people in Australia's high society. And Phoebe
860
00:49:38.880 --> 00:49:41.639
was aware of this, you know, I think everyone maybe was.
861
00:49:42.039 --> 00:49:47.159
But after Phoebe's death, Chrissie she got arrested and was
862
00:49:47.199 --> 00:49:52.920
facing drug trafficking charges. But because of her family, they
863
00:49:53.280 --> 00:49:55.400
had a lot of power and a lot of influence
864
00:49:55.440 --> 00:49:59.880
and they were able to evade a conviction, so she
865
00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:03.800
it was let go. But then in twenty sixteen, Christy
866
00:50:03.880 --> 00:50:07.360
went on Facebook. I love when people go on Facebook
867
00:50:07.400 --> 00:50:10.559
and just say wild shit. But she went on Facebook
868
00:50:10.599 --> 00:50:15.159
and she posted a picture of herself and Phoebe and
869
00:50:15.199 --> 00:50:18.360
then she wrote in the caption like in loving memory,
870
00:50:18.519 --> 00:50:21.760
I stumbled across my favorite pick of beautiful Phoebe. I
871
00:50:21.800 --> 00:50:25.519
miss you, darling. You were a fragile little flower that
872
00:50:25.679 --> 00:50:28.960
no one watered. You and your family were let down
873
00:50:29.000 --> 00:50:32.639
by the justice system and those who represent it. I
874
00:50:32.719 --> 00:50:36.480
only hope that one day the truth will come out
875
00:50:36.880 --> 00:50:43.280
so that they will have some peace. Ooh, the truth,
876
00:50:43.559 --> 00:50:47.039
the truth will come out. Interesting, so, you know, after
877
00:50:47.679 --> 00:50:50.519
a year and a half into like their investigation called
878
00:50:50.559 --> 00:50:55.920
an inquest, they came to the same conclusion that Phoebe
879
00:50:56.000 --> 00:50:58.480
had either committed suicide or as a freak accident, and
880
00:50:58.519 --> 00:51:01.360
like Anthony was off the hook, so nothing came of it.
881
00:51:01.960 --> 00:51:05.800
Anthony was never charged or even considered a suspect. To
882
00:51:05.840 --> 00:51:10.840
this day, like the case remains unsolved. The courts and
883
00:51:10.880 --> 00:51:12.599
all that will say it's solved. They'll say, yeah, it
884
00:51:12.920 --> 00:51:15.199
was a suicide or whatever, but to many like it's unsolved,
885
00:51:15.719 --> 00:51:18.039
and to her family as well, they continue to search
886
00:51:18.159 --> 00:51:21.440
for answers because it's also weird, right, But then it
887
00:51:21.519 --> 00:51:25.440
leads us into one other little situation. So there's this
888
00:51:25.480 --> 00:51:28.239
girl named Bailey. She's twenty five years old. She lives
889
00:51:28.239 --> 00:51:33.960
in Melbourne, Melbourne, Melbourne, Australia. There's some similarities to Phoebe's story.
890
00:51:34.239 --> 00:51:38.079
Bailey was known for like being outgoing, fun, beautiful, she
891
00:51:38.199 --> 00:51:41.920
was a model, she did stuff. So then this leads
892
00:51:41.960 --> 00:51:44.360
us into our like our little other mini storry we're
893
00:51:44.360 --> 00:51:48.280
not going on right now, twenty five year old Bailey Schneider.
894
00:51:48.480 --> 00:51:50.519
She was kind of similar to Phoebe in some ways.
895
00:51:50.920 --> 00:51:54.159
She had an active social life, she was very popular,
896
00:51:54.480 --> 00:51:58.440
She was gorgeous and people seem to really love her.
897
00:51:58.519 --> 00:52:01.599
And then on June twenty fourth, twenty eighteen, she was
898
00:52:01.639 --> 00:52:05.199
at home with her parents. She was like on her
899
00:52:05.239 --> 00:52:09.400
phone and her parents are like, Okay, we're gonna go
900
00:52:09.519 --> 00:52:12.320
I would like the supermarket or something, and she's like okay,
901
00:52:12.440 --> 00:52:15.480
Like she stays behind. I guess Bailey had like a
902
00:52:15.760 --> 00:52:20.039
bad day before. Her and her boyfriend had gotten into
903
00:52:20.079 --> 00:52:23.599
a fight at like a barbecue. So she's kind of
904
00:52:23.639 --> 00:52:26.360
just like bumming out over it, right, So parents take
905
00:52:26.400 --> 00:52:30.320
off go to the grocery store, and when they come back,
906
00:52:30.960 --> 00:52:33.880
that's when they find Bailey. They return home and they
907
00:52:33.920 --> 00:52:38.119
find Bailey's lifeless body slumped against the baseboards by a
908
00:52:38.159 --> 00:52:41.960
cupboard in the kitchen. She had a gold cord tied
909
00:52:41.960 --> 00:52:46.800
around her neck as if she had hanged herself, but
910
00:52:46.960 --> 00:52:49.679
she didn't hang herself. It was odd. It was odd
911
00:52:49.679 --> 00:52:51.760
because one, there was no place in the kitchen where
912
00:52:51.800 --> 00:52:55.079
the one hundred and seventy eight centimeter told Bailey could
913
00:52:55.239 --> 00:52:59.000
half hanged herself. Despite this, like, police concluded that her
914
00:52:59.039 --> 00:53:04.440
death was a suicide. Her parents strongly disagreed. Over a
915
00:53:04.519 --> 00:53:09.440
year later, an investigation was opened regarding her death, and
916
00:53:09.519 --> 00:53:14.000
at this point, police obtained her two mobile phones, searched them,
917
00:53:15.159 --> 00:53:17.800
and they came to the conclusion that, like it was
918
00:53:17.840 --> 00:53:22.719
self inflicted. The connection here is that Bailey also dated
919
00:53:23.800 --> 00:53:30.119
Anthony Hample. Now, what are the odds of that a
920
00:53:30.199 --> 00:53:36.079
guy has two girlfriends who kill themselves, Like, hmm, that's weird, man,
921
00:53:36.480 --> 00:53:39.679
that's random. He's got a lot of weird coincidences going on,
922
00:53:39.800 --> 00:53:43.360
doesn't he. So I guess, like Bailey, it was on again,
923
00:53:43.440 --> 00:53:46.519
off again, it was very toxic. This is just based
924
00:53:46.519 --> 00:53:49.119
off of what I read. There's not that much information
925
00:53:49.199 --> 00:53:51.320
out there about her. I'm gonna make an assumption here.
926
00:53:51.360 --> 00:53:53.960
I don't really know too much, but I think because
927
00:53:54.039 --> 00:53:57.639
her background was a little she's like a party girl.
928
00:53:57.880 --> 00:53:59.840
She I think she worked at a strip club and
929
00:53:59.840 --> 00:54:03.079
st So it's like they didn't really report just about
930
00:54:03.119 --> 00:54:05.199
her and like a relationship or anything of that. Couldn't
931
00:54:05.199 --> 00:54:08.320
find anything really except for surface stuff and the fact
932
00:54:08.320 --> 00:54:10.119
that like she was a stripper and whatnot. It's like, okay,
933
00:54:10.159 --> 00:54:11.679
but like there's more to her than that. What was
934
00:54:11.719 --> 00:54:13.679
I even getting at. I don't remember, but they both
935
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dated ant at the time. What's her name? Bailey was
936
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twenty five and Aunt was like forty nine or some
937
00:54:20.280 --> 00:54:22.719
shit and like in his fifties. Maybe I can't even remember,
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but it was something massive. But both Phoebe and Bailey
939
00:54:28.239 --> 00:54:30.239
were kind of similar, Like a lot of people said
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00:54:30.280 --> 00:54:34.199
after dating Aunt, both of them became socially withdrawn, secretive,
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and reserved. I mean that's it, really the end. Yeah,
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I wish I could have found out more about Bailey Schneider.
943
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And there were so many like conflicting stories, but we
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00:54:46.239 --> 00:54:48.639
do know that she dated Ant, Like, come on, I
945
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didn't do like aware is he now? With Aunt? I
946
00:54:51.400 --> 00:54:54.000
did come across. I know, why didn't I I don't know.
947
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It was like I don't want to know where this
948
00:54:55.639 --> 00:54:58.519
guy's at to be the shit, but I do. I
949
00:54:58.519 --> 00:55:01.639
did read that he's like married and not does the
950
00:55:01.719 --> 00:55:04.599
wife know? How do you marry someone? And they're like, oh, yeah,
951
00:55:04.599 --> 00:55:06.400
I had two girlfriends who died. Why do you be
952
00:55:06.480 --> 00:55:10.519
like I'm okay. I think I'm okay. Like that's kind
953
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of weird. AnyWho. That is the case of Phoebe hands
954
00:55:14.920 --> 00:55:18.800
Struck and Bailey Snyder a little bit there. You know,
955
00:55:19.159 --> 00:55:23.280
for Phoebe's family moving on from like their loss remains
956
00:55:23.320 --> 00:55:27.519
pretty much a lifelong struggle with these stories, you always
957
00:55:27.519 --> 00:55:32.159
hope for the best. I guess like some closure, some answers.
958
00:55:32.760 --> 00:55:34.880
Maybe they'll find like a diary that belonged to Ant
959
00:55:34.960 --> 00:55:37.599
or something. It just like, I don't know. Let me
960
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know what you guys think down below. What do you
961
00:55:39.920 --> 00:55:42.639
think you think Aunt did it? Or he just has
962
00:55:42.719 --> 00:55:44.760
really bad luck? Huh? I don't know. There's so many
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00:55:44.920 --> 00:55:47.320
things that like point to Aunt. I don't know how
964
00:55:47.360 --> 00:55:50.639
he did it though. That's the thing, because there's many
965
00:55:50.639 --> 00:55:52.559
people who say, like he was at work all day
966
00:55:52.679 --> 00:55:56.880
when Phoebe had died, that he was at work all day,
967
00:55:57.400 --> 00:55:59.800
like a lot of eyewitnesses and stuff. So he's at
968
00:55:59.800 --> 00:56:03.400
work all day. How do you do it? Now? Maybe
969
00:56:03.400 --> 00:56:04.880
it wasn't him. Maybe it was like one of the
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00:56:04.920 --> 00:56:08.119
construction workers who was working at the building. I don't know.
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I don't know. Let me know your thoughts down below.
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Do you have any thoughts theories from all years? Well,
973
00:56:14.360 --> 00:56:16.159
thank you for hanging out with me today. Today was
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a little long, wasn't it. I hope you have a
975
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good rest of your day. You make good choices down below.
976
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Don't forget to let me know who you want me
977
00:56:22.199 --> 00:56:23.960
to talk about next time. I hope you like this
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00:56:24.000 --> 00:56:27.000
look I think I do. It's cute. I like this. Yeah,
979
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I like this. I like this. I'll take it. I
980
00:56:28.920 --> 00:56:30.599
hope you have a good day, you make good choices,
981
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and I'll be talking to you later. Goodbye.