#161 - What’s So Special About Stem Cells? - What’s Safe, What Works, and What to Avoid

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[SPEAKER_01]: stem cell therapy, you might as well call it signaling therapy, or I call it intelligence therapy, you know, when I inject people with stem cells, I'm injecting intelligence into it, and how is intelligence embodied by these signals?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the Dr. Duay Kong podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Alright, so I have a million questions about stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go ahead and first start with our old stem cells created equal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's all life-created equal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that stem cells is as complex as life because that's origin of life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you look at stem cells, when people say stem cells, as if there's a single thing called stem cells, and there's no such thing because stem cells are a...
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[SPEAKER_01]: range of cells that evolve since you first were formed, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: The fertilized egg was the first you and then from there it keeps evolving becoming different kinds of cells which are all stem cells so they start to form these little structures and tubes and migrating all kinds of directions forming a little organism with a beating heart and the heart cells
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[SPEAKER_01]: did have working cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's no longer a stem cell.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But anywhere before it becomes a heart muscle working cell is a stem cell.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there are literally thousands of variations of stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What they are is that they have capabilities to further differentiate, which means further gain function.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and evolve.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But while they gain function, they lose potential.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So then you can't have both.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the wider their potential was.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So embryonic stem cells is full of potentials.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But then they don't have any particular direction.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The moment you start to go into a particular direction, then you start to lose the wide range of capabilities of potentials.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you get more and more specialized until you became the end organ cell, which is no longer stem cell.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the stem cell, the characteristic is that they can multiply and make more copies of a self and then also copies of something that's
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[SPEAKER_01]: a little more functional.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's called asymmetrical division.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they will preserve a copy of itself while giving you another form of cell that has more function.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's how this whole soup of cells evolve and eventually becoming us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Even within stem cells, even if you have the same categorization,
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[SPEAKER_01]: which they mess in kymol stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mesocochemos stem cells is all the rage right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Most of stem cell therapy use mess in kymol stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But even among mess in kymol stem cells, they're all different.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can get these mess in kymol stem cells MSC shipped for short.
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[SPEAKER_01]: from the bone marrow, from the fat, from the embryonic membrane, or you can get it from all the birth tissues, you can get from dental pulp, from menstrual blood, so they're all these cells everywhere.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So even if they are categorized as mesenchymal stem cells, you characterize by particular cell markers, they're all different, coming from these different tissue sources.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So even if they sound exactly like the same kind of cells,
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[SPEAKER_01]: because of where they came from, how long they've been in the body and even if they've been in the body in the same location, but you're older, then your spouse, the mesenchymal stem cells would be a lot more different than when you were younger.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, it's a very dynamic system.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So is this why they when they try to take the stem cells specifically from your own body and they try to go into the bone marrow?
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[SPEAKER_00]: is that because those are the best ones that they can find in the body or why do they specifically like to go for those?
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, because they were the earliest that we knew of.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you have to look at the history of science.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When the science of stem cells was evolving, first of all, the first time when they did stem cell transplantation, they had no idea they just transplanted stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's called bone marrow transplant.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So this shows you where the history was, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: they wipe out their immune system, their bone marrow is completely gone, and then they transplant somebody else's bone marrow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't know that there were stem cells in the bone marrow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, they had no idea that there are stem cells everywhere in your body.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wherever you have cells, you have stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But there had no idea.
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[SPEAKER_01]: early on, they only thought that there were stem cells in the bone marrow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's where we humans still keep stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then they found out, oh my god, it's in the fat tissue, is in, you know, your organs is literally everywhere.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everywhere you have cells, you have blood vessels, they're going to be stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So because it came early this idea of using bone marrow to get stem cells,
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's more entrenched as a particular way of doing stem cell therapy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's not because it's just so much more special.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just because we knew about it earlier.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The latest data that we know right now is our specific part of the body that would have the best themselves if they were taking it out of your body or is there any update on that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the question will be more about when you take it out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So where, yes, different locations, you may get different types of cells, but from the same person, your own bone marrow stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: would be similar in its quality, or I'm talking about mesenchymal stem cells, because you can't compare apples to oranges.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you compare apples to apples, you just say mesenchymal stem cells from the bone marrow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be a little different from the mesenchymal stem cells from the fat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: These are the two most common way of getting stem cells from your own body.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There are a few other ways too, but they're just not as commonly used.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The denominator is that these cells are your age.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they have taken on life's challenges just as you have.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Every breath of completed air you breathe, every piece of junk food that's not so good for you, you ate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Every drink of alcohol, every cigarette you smoked, can all affect these cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you carry them with you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One thing that I want to caution people about is that it's not just these cells are actually a little older, a little tired, not as active, not secreting as much growth factors and giving you as much bang for the buck when it comes to therapeutic benefits.
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[SPEAKER_01]: the less intelligence yourselves so carry because they start to sinness.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They start to get older.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They start to forget their capabilities start to diminish, including the capability of
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[SPEAKER_01]: not just recognizing cancer but getting rid of them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But older cells have a tendency to be really tolerant because it seems to have forgotten that some cells don't belong in the body.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it tells everything to grow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is why age is the biggest predictive factor of cancer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the older you are, the less your immune system is able to recognize it and is able to fight it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So,
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[SPEAKER_01]: That manifests in the quality of your stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So your stem cells, which generate all your cells, including your immune cells that help you fight everything, they have diminished in their capabilities.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So when you give people cells from your own body, there is a much higher chance that is gonna promote cancer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's actually no evidence that unblockal core derived stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: have cancer promoting properties.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I can actually in a human body can exacerbate cancer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In a petri dish when you don't have a lot of the other factors of the human body, you don't have the immune system to interact with, then it can give growth factors and they have shown that cancer cells can grow, but never there's no evidence that it can promote cancer in a real person.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's the risk.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So when you're talking about using your own body with the best source, well, they're all kind of similar, just a little different.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But if you want qualitative difference, you want something that really makes a big difference.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You need to look at younger sources.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's where I kind of came into
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I guess my role as an educator in the field was that very early on, this is nine years ago, that when I got into the field, I really wanted to understand what's the best source.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just like question you're asking, hey, which one is the best?
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[SPEAKER_01]: If I have to do stem cell therapy, what kind of cells should I use?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was faced with using a person's own cells, that's mostly either from fat or from bone marrow, or I'm facing this whole other, this newer way of doing stem cells, which is using the earlier tissue, from birth.
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[SPEAKER_01]: At time of birth, babies not harmed, babies live in healthy, crying, happy, whenever with parents, but you have to cut the cord, right, and the placenta.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What do people do with it?
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[SPEAKER_01]: They tossed it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But now we know we can use that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: precious tissue, which is full of stem cells and growth factors and powerful in regenerating and it helped to help you grow a whole human, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's how much power that's in that tissue.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you can get cells from that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So to me, after comparing the different sources for me to understand what will be the best for my patients, also for myself, then my conclusion after reading lots and
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[SPEAKER_01]: articles and research studies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The conclusion is that using earlier birth tissue source is the superior source.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If anyone's interested, just watch my whole lecture on YouTube.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a 40-minute lecture where I go through detailed, I present clinical research.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So people can look at research is really not my opinion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I formed an opinion based on all the research work that's been done in the world.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, the videos called our OMSC is created equal, and of course, they're not equal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So let me clarify this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you're saying, if I were to understand correctly, that if you use the cells from your own body, we know that they're not as good because they're older and all that I get all that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you're saying that using our own cells could potentially have a greater risk for having cancer, developing cancer, it can exacerbate existing cancer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So these cells do not form new cancer, but we all know in the human body things go wrong.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're always kind of abnormal cells that are cancers, but your immune system, if you strong, it will get rid of them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But as we get older, it's harder to get rid of them because our immune system is not as powerful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And of course, these little cells floating around trying to become more, to become bigger, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: They always want to
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[SPEAKER_01]: take over the organism.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you give the body certain elements that only tells everything to grow, without recognizing that some cells don't belong there and should not be growing, they should die.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then you have a problem.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so we use our own cells, you're saying that this would, if cancer was present somewhere, it would potentially help it grow, but if we use stem cells from, let's say, in a miracle cord, which they're from something young, they seem to be better from everything that you've researched, you know, in your opinion, um, with that, not exacerbate cancer then also, because they grow or what's it, no, the evidence is that they have,
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[SPEAKER_01]: preserved a lot of the capabilities to about when it comes to recognizing cancer and telling the cancer to die.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They literally sent what's called trail ligand.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So this particular molecule that signals the cell to die to program the cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like one signal to turns on their program cell death mechanism.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So literally sending these cancer cells to death.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the overwhelming risk is that these younger cells will help you kill cancer, not just not allowing them to grow, but actually actively killing them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's almost like cell signaling, like it's signaling.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Awesome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So this is all about signals, stem cell therapy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You might as well call it signaling therapy or I call it intelligence therapy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, when I inject people with stem cells, I'm injecting intelligence into it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and how is intelligence embodied by these signals?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is, to me, it's interesting that your own cells could potentially be more dangerous.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just see it's wild to me, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, your own cells just likes to nest in cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They call it zombie cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: These cells, not only they sit around, not doing anything good, they can actually
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[SPEAKER_01]: actively secret elements inflammatory molecules to make you sicker.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's not like just because it ain't your body that's good for you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, some cells are not so great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And your own system sometimes can be your enemy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And in this regard, too, the stem cells have any effect on your immune system, like positive or negative depending on stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So when it comes to a immune system, there are certain cells that will interact more with the immune system.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there are prematurely immune cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So when I give people stem cell therapy, I give them a blend of cells that's, you know, you talked about me as a product formulated.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is my contribution to the field, which is to bring these different cell types together in this unique product.
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[SPEAKER_01]: combines cells from the umbilical cord blood, which is full of primitive immune cells, and also cells that can regenerate the whole blood system, and also cells that can regenerate the blood vessels.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's from the cord blood, and then you can get, in the same product, it's called Characore.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You also have these cells from the umbilical cord tissue, which is full
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[SPEAKER_01]: And these have this overall signaling coordination type of capability, so they're very much immune modulating.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they're literally revamping your immune system in a sense that if your immune system is too weak, it's going to make it stronger and more powerful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you immune system is too strong, but actually in an abnormal way, which
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[SPEAKER_01]: is what caused all these autoimmune conditions, then it can calm that over activation, over reaction, and make it more adaptable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, very much related to the immune system.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, depending on what kind of cells we're talking about, but we're talking from the core blood, all those cells, I was talking about, and the mesenchymal stem cells, these cell groups are very much tailored toward helping the immune system.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, okay, so we have the stem cells that they can take from your body, some people do it that way, stem cells that you can get from the imbelegal cord, because that seems to be a really great place to get it from.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Are there any other types or are these the main two?
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[SPEAKER_01]: The main sources will be from the bone marrow versus the fat versus the birth tissue, which could be in the local cord or placenta.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I prefer them local cord because the umbilical cord cells are all from the baby.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But when you get cells from the placenta as a mixture, it can be from the baby and can be from the mother.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just prefer these new life forms, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: The sperm and egg coming together, flash of light, without this whole new reset.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's a new life that sustained human species, and that's the kind of cells I want to get from.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's why I really like the unblockable cord.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But there are other sources too, there are people who are getting it from the menstrual blood.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there are, when women, you know, believe it, they do loose stem cells as well, so it's not just the other cell types, so they are, they do loose stem cells, so you can, you can get it from the menstrual blood, you can get it from dental pulp, you can literally get it from, from any tissue, but these are the major sources, so because there's a lot of clinics out there, obviously doing this, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's always tricky, it's kind of like the world of hydrogen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody's going to tell you something different.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just want to always get to the truth, which is why I love what you're doing, because you're just looking at the facts and the data and you're developing your opinions based on the data, rather than what people say.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's why I love what you're being through the table, because you do it that way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so back to these other types of clinics.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So again, they either take it from your body, they either get it from like the
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[SPEAKER_00]: and then there's other places that they get them from to like the main sources for clanks or these are basically the two main sources.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would say 99% of the clinics when they do stem cell therapy in the US will be either from the fat or from the bone marrow or from the most likely umblocal core stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah but the other one percent I don't know what they're using so maybe they're getting from something something else but yeah and almost
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that really answers the question, okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think we've already answered why in your opinion, the ones from the in-biblical court are better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's extremely fascinating that the ones from your own body potentially could make cancer works, which is crazy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Your own body could be getting your sick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of people who are sick, that there's also all immune conditions on people think is stem cell disorder.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So a lot of people with chronic illnesses, there's already a problem with their stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you try to get stem cells from these bodies, sometimes it can be helpful, but sometimes it doesn't work very well, especially when they're pretty sick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when you mentioned I was curious about this dental pulp, what exactly do you mean by dental pulp?
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[SPEAKER_01]: The root portion of the tooth, you know, unfortunately they didn't educate us very much in medical school.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They sent all the knowledge related to the teeth to the dentists, but, you know, basically the portion that can grow teeth.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there are stem cells in there, but I don't personally, I don't know anybody that's using that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The only reason I was asking to, and I was curious was because I was studying to be a dentist a long time ago when I was early young, and I was curious because Japan right now is doing some interesting research where they're able to activate a protein that a shutdown in regards to teeth, where you can literally regrow your teeth again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I've seen reports on that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's very exciting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But for those, I know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Signs is absolutely amazing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We are entering an era of science fiction.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So things are no longer crazy, you know, the previous and thinkable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So this is why I'm so excited about the field is because we are encountering unprecedented possibilities and unprecedented
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[SPEAKER_01]: ability to heal and repair and regenerate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So this is, yeah, where the passion came from, not just me, but I've encountered a lot of doctors, I've trained a lot of doctors.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I see that spark in their eyes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They feel like, well, my gun, finally, I find something that can really make a difference, because
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[SPEAKER_01]: as well-trained as we were, we were trained to use chemicals, drugs, and to look at the body in a very simplistic way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, we can actually respect how complex the body is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: because it's so complex that we don't know how to make a cell, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It looks like it is very simple.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is a cell, you know, what will make it?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why don't you produce it in the lab?
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[SPEAKER_01]: No one can do it because it's so complicated.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't know how it's done.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it's not from this dimension.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So to capture,
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[SPEAKER_01]: the complex capabilities of the cell is revolutionary.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So this is something that medicine has never encountered, but it came from Western medicine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm excited that I love Western science.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love chemistry and physics and math.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I love science and stem cell therapy came from
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[SPEAKER_01]: this western form of western science dissecting everything to the very, very foundation in realizing that you've found something that could be the key to a lot of things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's, you know, you have to give western science the credit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is why it stems out therapy, it's embraced by everybody.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you are trained by a traditional medical school and
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure if I'm at patients, but you can appreciate stem cells because it came from the cutting edge Western science.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they think that this is, of course, it's great, but of course, most of them, I would say, over 90% of the medical doctors in the US have not read up on the literature on stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they're still stuck at the stage where they think it's under research and there's not enough evidence.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not enough evidence to them because they have not even looked.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, of course, if you don't know a exist, then it doesn't exist to you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But that's the Western medicine is still just as a concept.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They said, absolutely, stem cells, that could be amazing, but we just don't have the evidence, so because they didn't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But other forms of,
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[SPEAKER_01]: healers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're all kinds of other holistic practitioners.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They love the concept of themselves.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Using life to heal life, what can be more holistic?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What can encompass everything and treat the body as a complex whole, then using something as complex and whole as a cell.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, so everybody,
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[SPEAKER_01]: can love stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So this is, yeah, I realized there's no resistance as a concept.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, I have a real, I have an interesting question to about this because I thought I heard about this before.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I heard they in it and I don't know if this is coming into the future or we already have access to some of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is there a way to program the stem cells in regards to, for example, I heard about injecting into the gum certain stem cells to grow teeth also.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you ever heard about some of this stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, of course, that's a beauty of stem cells is that you can't program them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: However, the state of medicine, the way the politics is, is that the moment you start to program it, then the regulatory agencies are going to come in saying, wait a minute, what did you just do?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You just change the cells?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You just made it do something else?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So now,
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[SPEAKER_01]: they believe that you just created a drug because now you're manipulating life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're doing something to the original form.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then the FDA says then you have to go through drug studies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Unfortunately, so that, you know, maybe the intention is good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the result is stifles innovation because there are a lot of people who have ideas, oh, I just, you know, I heard about this particular nerve growth factor, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can use this to give the cells some signal and I can give it to my patients.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then all of a sudden the nervous tissue can be regenerated.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But now they can't do that because it's considered a, you know, you're, you're, you're making a drug now you have to go to the whole study before you can ever use it on humans and how long does that take years how much money does it take how many millions how many people actually have that kind of money big farm I have that kind of money so if the government wants to push
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[SPEAKER_01]: people who are trying to innovate and trying to heal people into this route of drug approval, the average approved drug, it takes $2.1 billion to go to market.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this is statistic that was like three, four years ago, but now is probably even more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if it takes, let's
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[SPEAKER_01]: Who do you think had that kind of money, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know anybody with that kind of money to throw into a drug approval.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Only the big pharma, the big big, the big corporations.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the point is though we do have apparently the ability to be able to program themselves.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We just don't have the ability to do that and use them because of regulations at this time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: it's going to be very challenging.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, this is one reason why people are going overseas because some places like Mexico and certain countries, they have regulations.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some have regulations and have a hard time enforcing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some just don't have it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's why a lot of companies just go overseas and start doing whatever they think that they want to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it does help
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[SPEAKER_01]: are there potential problems?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Have you seen anybody in the world at this time programming stem cells and using them in certain unique and interesting ways as far as, you know, at this moment or in time?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've heard about people doing that in Mexico.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What purpose though?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like what exactly are they programming them for?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What are they using them for?
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[SPEAKER_00]: This will be interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: To regenerate brain, you know, brain tissues, you know, a lot of people with degenerative brain conditions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Parkinson's Alzheimer's, traumatic brain injury, stroke, et cetera.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the nervous tissue is one of the hardest to regrow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's what they were targeting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's super interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And there have been any negative side effects from programs themselves that you know of.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because we cannot use those, so I have not followed those research as closely, but can things go wrong with reprogramming cells?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just like the
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[SPEAKER_01]: induced plural potent stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So this is, you know, developed by or discovered by Japanese scientists where they found a certain molecules, Yamanaka factors, where you can give a cell or signal the cell and an adult cells from your skin can be reprogrammed back to the embryonic state.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that sounds like end'll be all right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Imagine if I can just take a little cell from your skin and make an embryonic stem cells out of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And now I can grow anything out of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wouldn't that be amazing?
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[SPEAKER_01]: The problem is that they can't control it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's a high chance of tumor formation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So these are actually cells that can form fresh tumors.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just like embryonic stem cells that you can obtain from day five to seven after fertilization.
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[SPEAKER_01]: chance of what's called territorial ma, which is a new tour formation of uncontrollable growth of different tissues.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, so it has that potential.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, things can go wrong when you decide to tell the cell to go certain directions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: some of the ways that they're doing it also can be problematic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They were using viral vectors.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They were inserting different genetic information into the cells and that can cause different problems.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's not without risks when you start to manipulate nature.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's actually super interesting and I can see why using something
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[SPEAKER_00]: like from the amylocal cord, you're basically just using nature.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The way nature does it, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Rather than trying to manipulate nature, which sometimes can get us in trouble, I think we've seen that a lot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so there are a possibility for certain parents, like if a woman was to have a baby.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And before I even get to the question, I'm curious on your opinion about this, because I've read a lot about this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When a woman has a baby, you know how they like to basically cut the amylocal cord pretty fast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you have a belief out leaving the amylocal cord attached for a certain amount of time?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, sure, during the blood back into the baby, I'm sure that's really great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you're returning a lot of the stem cells and a lot of the regent of elements back into the baby.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How long in your opinion?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because we don't do, you know, this is all just...
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is beyond my, yeah, that's not something that I haven't looked into, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How about parents who would want to use their own um, biblical court to try to get stem cells for that for them in the future?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of parents do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if there's a catastrophe in your kid, cancer, you know, huge injury, yes, you can use the child's own stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I do believe that
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[SPEAKER_01]: science is progressing rapidly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's great to do that as some form of like a like insurance, but by the time the child has grown up in 10, 20 years, I'm sure we have probably some incredible technology work, we can just, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: get the the cells from the child and then make new stem cells, you know, and that's probably what's going to happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But even without that happening, you don't have to use your child's own stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just like we've seen incredible things in our clinic, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: People with liver cirrhosis going to literally reversal, COPD and Parkinson's and, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: really, really, some of the hardest diseases to deal with and we've seen incredible results using somebody else's, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Using on-bocal course stem cells, it's not yours, but it doesn't prevent you from the kind of healing that you can experience.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why?
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[SPEAKER_01]: This goes into how stem cells work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So when you give stem cells, it doesn't live forever in your body.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a finite lifespan.
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[SPEAKER_01]: it comes into your body, you know, it comes alive, it works, and it fights your battles, and your battles can kill the cells, inflammation can kill the cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's no, you know, very few cells actually will just keep living and living.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there may be a very small fraction of the cells that I give to patients that actually live in the patient's body.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's
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[SPEAKER_01]: But nonetheless, the benefit still is powerful because the cells while they're alive, they can produce all these benefits.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the fact that most of them die makes the point of having to use your own kind of obsolete because you are using your own with the idea that your own cells is gonna end up living in your body
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[SPEAKER_01]: If they differentiate, they start to make new cells, then these new cells, if it's from somebody else, the new cells could express surface markers that's recognized by your body, and then your body will kill it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is why you want your own, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because you're going to reject your own cells, but the fact that most of the cells that you give to the body, whether
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[SPEAKER_01]: and it's only a small fraction that actually lives, so it makes this just less important of a question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm perfectly happy using other people's cells and as, you know, producing credible results.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I just don't think it's as much of an issue.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Also when you use your own, you are depending your the fate of the cells on the tissue bank you're choosing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So depending on
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[SPEAKER_01]: even the viability after it's it's thought out and also what kind of cell types right stem cells is a complex issue is it's not a single thing so they guess stem cells from because I ask parents all the time is that a little laughs stem cells from my child can I use it is okay what kind of stem cells do you know what what kind of cells are included so so I can compare to see if there's any
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[SPEAKER_01]: Anything that's equivalent to what we're giving, because what we're giving is a very comprehensive group of cells with 20% of them being the mesenchymal stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So are you giving me 100% mesenchymal stem cells?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Are you giving me 100% of corporate blood cells?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Or are you giving me both the combination?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because the synergy is really important.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So most of them don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And almost no company, there's no company that actually would incorporate both.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's
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[SPEAKER_01]: possible that there's a company out there that's preserving both.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just haven't met any, but it's possible.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you need to know exactly what kind of cells you're getting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so which kind, so you're saying there's you called a messo-kindle?
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[SPEAKER_00]: themselves.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Messing climate stem cells is rich in the and local court tissue.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's where a lot of the companies are focusing on the court tissue to get the mess and climate stem cells out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But when you are looking at core blood, there are a lot of what's called mononuclear cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: These are primitive immune cells that can regenerate your immune system.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's hematopoetic progenitors cells that will generate your
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then there's the anothelial progenitor cells that will regenerate your blood vessel lining and there's fibroblast that's, you know, the, of course, the earliest cells for your connected tissue.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's a whole range of cell types within the core blood and there's, and, you know, other cells mostly mesenchymal stem cells in the core tissue.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I utilize both.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I also bring in any on a membrane cells, which has its own benefits, its own kind of a specialization because it will help the cells to develop into a different tailor-to-word different tissue development.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, um, if you bring all those in, then you're going to get more, uh, I think more healing for more types of systems.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, there's basically more complete healing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then I kind of made sense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is probably a really stupid question, but I'm just curious.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What about stem cells from animals that have certain properties?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is there been any talk about
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[SPEAKER_01]: There are countries that are using it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not a proponent of it, because there's definitely gonna be chance of rejection.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you think you're worried about rejecting between humans, if you're bringing in start to bring another species, there's gonna be high likelihood of your body rejecting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I just, it doesn't make sense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do believe that animals amount each other.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you are a dolphin, you can get dolphins themselves, between each other, that's fine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: but I wouldn't want to put the dolphins out into my body, no matter how much I let the dolphins, or just to be different.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, I think it's misguided.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It almost feels like a, you know, very archaic, very, um,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's medieval that we're, the animals are great, and it's a mythical, you know, creatures with capability.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that that vears away from really what the essence of stem cell therapy is, which is that you are, when you are off a species, in particular species, is already made in a way that's going to thrive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All the
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[SPEAKER_01]: and you can use your own intelligence that's already perfectly formed to heal yourself, just to make your system be in the healthier state.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Other animals, I do think it's great to study animals.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There may be, for example, elephants, or longevity.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what's in their body?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What could be, is there a molecule?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's in the system?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do think it's great to study that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But to put their cells that has a potential to manifest, to grow all these proteins and causing immune rejection when you're not that animal, and you're using their cells, yeah, it doesn't really make a sense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's an opportunity for some people to tell certain things,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, first of all, I completely agree with you, and it's a taboo subject or a dangerous subject to talk about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wish we could talk about it freely, so I'm going to speak a little bit in code here, because there's little needles that they put in you, maybe during the flu season, right, maybe for whatever reasons when you're born, but we know that a lot of those, let's end them, they make them using animal cells.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you know what I'm talking about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I personally would agree with you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a bad idea to mix these different types of animals with humans.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I believe somebody by the name of Judy Mick of its talks about potentially certain viruses.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The animals have the humans you wouldn't want in a human, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I am curious.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is also probably going to be a, I don't like to be controversial anything, but this might be controversial.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How about stem cells between different races?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I've noticed I looked at some interesting research about different races having different attributes biologically.
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[SPEAKER_00]: From even bone density, for example, is different between African Americans, Hispanics, Caucasians, Asian people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so is there anything that you're like, hey, I want to get stem cells from
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[SPEAKER_00]: a pro-app leader, you know, I want LeBron James's babies of biblical court or something.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or are you like, hey, I'm Asian.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I need only Asian stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there are some people who care about that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They may want to do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some people don't care as much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know the world is a melting pot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: United States is a full demonstration of just how similar we are.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So literally, yeah, we have a few genes that's different, you know, between the race is and, you know, yes, there's color difference, but we are so similar.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're probably more similar to each other than the white differences within a race.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, if you're in Asian, I mean, within Asians, there's wide, wide differences in different attributes and intelligence and etc.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think the difference is between the races is probably not as big as people think.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think just among humans within the same race, there's going to be wider difference than between the races.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's no data basically that would say, hey, you should only use certain stem cells from your own type of race or even blood type, for example, none of this plays a role.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't make any difference at this point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yes, for marketing's perspective, you can advertise we only, you know, if you're a type A, we have type A for you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But in practicality, it doesn't make any difference, because the cells we're giving are immune,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Whether or not it can express the same kind of blood types.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't even come into the picture.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, because these cells are like blank cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They come into your body to do their work and they die.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Once in a while, they stay in the body a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If they express surface markers that are too different from you, you know, when sometimes your new system could get rid of them, and that'll be the end of story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, no harm, no fail, you know, that's about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, the number is so tiny that it's not gonna take over.
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[SPEAKER_01]: you, because it's not going to be, so it's not going to attack all of you, it's like having a little drop in the ocean of cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So how much is that going to affect you?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not going to change your identity.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not going to change who you are as a person.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I've taken stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how from how many individuals, probably at least, you know, two dozens.
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[SPEAKER_01]: because I've done stencils every three months for the last nine years, so I've had a lot of sessions and from a lot of donors.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm still me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't seen a noticeable difference.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I said no, I'm just getting a little younger.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I didn't care so much about the marketing stuff out, you know, I'm a more interested in like actual data.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Have they even done any research about that or I don't think so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, that's not what where people are focusing their energy on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so that's that's interesting and then so the other thing that I was kind of curious about is there anything that in your opinion or where there is data that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: enhances how good these themselves that you potentially use in order to enhance the effects, you know, the positive effects.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is there any way to enhance how good stem cells work like just the way that you treat yourself?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, there are a lot of things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the whole stem cell,
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[SPEAKER_01]: production, you know, they want their interest in knowing what's going to enhance the viability of the cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll make, we'll make the cells healthier.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, the ozoneation, ozone, and, you know, very low dose ozone can spur, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: the cells to be more active and more healthy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, it has to be the right dose.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It can be a lot, you know, that could be toxic to cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it has to be just a right amount.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It could help the cells to be healthier oxygen, right, and hydrogen, or you love hydrogen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there are data that it can help with cell proliferation and cell growth or light.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We use laser light in the clinic, right-light, green, purple light, different wavelengths, different frequencies can talk to the cells in different ways.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we know that they can enhance cell stability to differentiate and make them healthier and make them more their mitochondria to be more vibrant.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there are hyperbaric oxygen, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the oxygen therapy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that we know can trigger stem cell release.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we get people certain supplements at our clinic that's as part of the treatment, including stem region.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So or nitric oxide, nitric oxide can help with stem cell mobilization activation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And stem region can help release
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[SPEAKER_01]: a lot of stem cells from the bone marrow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So when I get people stem cells, some of them may want to go back to the bone marrow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, we want them to come out and keep working.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The number of circulating cells correlates with how fast and how well the person can heal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we want them circulating.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we utilize everything we can already in the clinic with different supplements, with the energy therapy, with hydrogen and with ozone therapy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: adding modalities to make these cells even more effective and work at a higher level.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I really loved about your protocol that you were looking to those other methods.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, doing research for this, I found also, they did say the molecular hydrogen appears to be beneficial for stem cells by reducing the oxidative stress, so in which those are survival.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the first thing when people come to my clinic for stem cell therapy is that we give them a glass of hydrogen water, actually from the luredus, you know, the hydrogen machine that you introduced me to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I heard you on a podcast and you were talking, I was like, wow, it's very interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I need to know, I need to know the best form of hydrogen for my patients or for myself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, and then I'm really grateful that I found out more about what's real and what's good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And stop using things that may be actually causing harm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and in the very near future, I'm probably going to introduce you to him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's another doctor who's been testing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was testing actually on himself, the hydrogen tablets.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was using the bottles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he really wasn't seeing much benefit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then because he's type one diabetic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he uses a tool to also monitor blood glucose.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And now he started using the hydrophics and the benefits were like, after charts, he's like, what's so different about this?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was talking to him a little while ago.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going to have one to show at some point, but he's doing a lot of research.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He wants to have all the data.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Before we really sit down and talk and he's even going to be doing some interesting studies as far as like toxicology studies on certain modalities of hydrogen because that's been one of my concerns and I know that that would be important I assume with stem cells right you don't want certain things that would impede or affect their ability to work as as good as they can right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This purity in your opinion, because this has been a lot of my protocols, in your opinion, is purity really matter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like the purity of your water, the purity of your food, the purity of your hydrogen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Talks to cities of big problem.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, that's one of the things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would say 90% of patients getting stem-saut therapy at our clinic will receive benefits.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But...
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[SPEAKER_01]: The more toxic your body is, the less the benefit will be, and some it will be a lot less to point where they say, well, I don't notice the difference.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So people like that, there are two main causes when people don't notice benefit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One is that they're too toxic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's almost like their cells were seized by the enemy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and as stuck and frozen in the state of dysfunction.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's very hard to bring them back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's like a machinery is clogged.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's basically literally stuck.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you need to unstuck your machine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Otherwise, nothing is going to be made.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So toxicity or underlying infection.
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[SPEAKER_01]: our big issues that's keeping the body at a state that would just not repair it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, toxicity that's huge is a purity, absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that's why we're really big on purity, you know, my peptides.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that's a big thing in the regenerative or the holistic world is the peptides.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, who can you trust?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What what what do you yeah, there are a lot of people are telling it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So can you can you get a source that's actually pure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's extremely important.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm so I'm so glad that's important to you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's been really important to me and I've definitely noticed a difference.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And in your opinion, if somebody wanted to come and get stem cells with you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How long would you suggest for them to work on themselves as far as, like, hey, drink the cleanest water, maybe even use the best hydrogen, try to have a really clean diet, you know, avoid all this garbage, like, what do you think?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know that it's a hard question to answer because it's going to be different with for everybody, but would you have a kind of an average number you're like, hey, be really great if you try to treat yourself better.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, remove all the bad food, you know, all the junk that you're putting your body and remove the product, you know, the daily, whatever household products that you're using, that's a fumigating you like this morning.
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, paper towel it, you know, and literally in my face, you know, I'm trying to breathe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know I'm breathing toxins.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I kicked that off the machine because I know I'm bombarded.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to minimize my exposure and people who wear all this potent perfumes and, you know, just put these things on their bodies like, oh my god,
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, when I get a whiff of this, like, okay, great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have to detox from this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, but you want to avoid putting things in your body that's preventing your physical wellness from manifesting, basically.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, that's really important.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm really glad that you brought that up to as far as, like, perfumes, because it literally drives me insane when people wear this property.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They literally give me a headache.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you're sensitive, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're like like a canary in the coal mine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll put you somewhere.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's see if you get it, Edic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and in Japan, they have this whole thing, I don't know if it's this way in China, they have a big thing in Japan about don't be wearing like perfumes and certain things because it disrupts people around you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's very invasive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, I mean, we're very sensory, you know, our nose is so tied to our emotion and our nervous system.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I saw some brain scans in regards to this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I personally, if I ever want to use anything for smells, I just use a hundred percent pure like lavender oil.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I like essential oil, you know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Bros. Yeah, one point I think I had.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Was it, uh, was it, uh, there are some tropical fruits that are really just lovely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, you can use something that comes from nature that we know are,
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[SPEAKER_01]: actually beneficial.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That doesn't have all these hormone disruptors or things that's going to clog up your cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You say hormone disruptor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Has there been any evidence or anything that shows that certain synthetic perfumes are hormone disruptor?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, synthetic products in in cosmetics and in household.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Definitely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's so nice to interact with your doctor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Talk like this because it drives me nuts and plans.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's so many people out there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Doctors or whatnot and they don't believe in any of that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're just like, oh, you know, whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They just think it's so much garbage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, no, you have to take a holistic
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I think the purity things are really important.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of want to ask you, I know we talked about the different types of stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I always hear people counting the numbers like all you're going to get a hundred million themselves.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm going to give you nine hundred million themselves.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Does it matter?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's a great question because that has confused so many people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'll tell you the origin of the number cells where that came from.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It came from research.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So when you first study study stem cells, then you are required to do experiments on animals, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you have to decide on arbitrary dose.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you may do a common dose is 1 million per kilo a body weight, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You have to give certain numbers to these poor little mice and see how they do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you got good results, then that became the standard.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So then the next person who's doing the research after you is certainly not going to change things around that much, because the person used that dose just got success, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So then you keep using that dose.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what's interesting was, eventually somebody is going to study the dose response.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be looking at, okay, everyone's using the dose, but is that really the best dose?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So why don't we study, you know, another dose that's a lot less and another one that's a lot more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I actually, I started an Academy American Academy of Integrated Self Therapy, so I've trained a lot of doctors, and one of the part of the lecture is about dosing, like how much you give, so I went over some research stats, and what's funny was that there's no consensus.
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[SPEAKER_01]: some studies show that more is better, some studies show the less is better, some studies show the middle is better.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So literally I can't give people a educated conclusion because the studying results are all over the place.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's kind of the state of where it's at.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it can be a complex issue, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why do all these studies show such different results?
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[SPEAKER_01]: but what kind of cells also matter?
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're getting cells from, we don't know what different sources, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can get it from the fat, from bone marrow, from a local court.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So different cells, you can't, you should not compare apples to oranges.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But even if you are comparing apples to apples, you're getting cells from the fat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And one group of people, you just getting the cells as is to the body.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the other one, you just grow the hell out of it, you put in the in the culture, medium, the sirloin, into the incubator, you just let it grow and grow and grow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is what a lot of companies do overseas because in the US, you can't quite do it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There are people who do it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: under the radar, they won't advertise it, but they do have some actually are, you know, dumb enough to advertise, but a lot of times that, because, you know, the FDA is going to come not knock on your door.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So overseas, they will grow them, and I've known people who have looked at their,
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[SPEAKER_01]: facilities and look at how they operate, how they grow the cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're just letting them grow without much monitoring, not to mention actually characterizing the cells after you harvest them, to see if there are still stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because there are research done, you know, when I went to different conferences on stem cell therapy, there are research
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[SPEAKER_01]: showing that when you start to grow the cells, this was fascinating.
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[SPEAKER_01]: These are done by PhDs, not medical doctors, we're focused on treating patients.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The PhDs really want to know the mechanisms and what's going on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Remember this PhDs studied these cells because he knows that people grow cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And when he actually started to look at the character's characteristics of these cells, he said majority of the cells that you grow into this big, that of cells are no longer stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because when stem cells divide, remember how telling you the cells, stem cells are special in a way that they have this asymmetrical division.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they divide into a copy of self,
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is usually how they do this, how they divide.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A copy is solved and a copy that's more differentiated.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So this is the daughter cell that's a little bit different.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So these two cell types, if each cell or original cell is dividing into a copy, identical to solve and another copy that's a daughter cell that's differentiated.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that daughter cell, that's a little different.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, it's not going to go back and divide back into the earlier cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't go that way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So then, you know, without special manipulation, that's not the natural way of doing things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Natural ways to further differentiate going down the pathway.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the fact that you're able to preserve a copy of yourself, that's already very special.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But if you have one cell that becomes
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[SPEAKER_01]: a copy of yourself and the daughter saw.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The daughter saw would divide into another two daughter cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then this one cell would divide into another copy of self and a daughter cell.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, all of a sudden, out of the four, you only have one stem cell.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You got three that are not stem cells anymore.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you can imagine you just keep letting this soup grow, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then you're going to have a little fraction that are stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The rest are no longer stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're differentiated.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that remember that sign is speaking very, very clearly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And passionately.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He said this, when you grow the cells, this is what happens.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you represent yourself saying, hey, I've just made all these cells without examining whether or not these cells are still stem cells, then you're not being truthful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then you don't know your signs, either you don't know the signs or you're not being truthful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's the problem and that's what I see in patients who go overseas, getting this huge
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, if you're getting 200, 300, most of them are not stencils anymore, you're going to have more chance of rejection, because these cells have have basically manifested more of its own characteristics, these own proteins.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When cells
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[SPEAKER_01]: differentiate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the way they gain functions through proteins.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they make proteins, they make receptors, and so nowadays they start to be able to work in different ways.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The proteins are an expression of your DNA.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So whatever the strand of DNA is encoding, that's the protein that's going to make.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And your DNA is to be different from someone else's DNA.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the protein is going to be varying just a slight bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that slight variation could trigger your new system to attack it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So now you got this immune activation and this rejection.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's way more issues of people feeling sick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: people feel like feverish, chest tightness, yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And even when you are, if you have low percentage of mesenchymal stem cells, you also can do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is why I think mesenchymal stem cells is really important because it really calmed your immune system.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Allow your system to accept this new form of information.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Most of them will die, but it doesn't mean the information is not super helpful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When there's still alive, so mesenchymal stem cell can help you calm that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you just use core blood cells, then you don't have enough mesenchymal stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And when I first got into the field, I was only using cells from the core blood.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So very, very little MSCs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then there are more side effects.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, so this is why I'm making my concoction because those cells are helpful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They can do amazing things for your new system, for your brain, even for your musculoskeletal repair, but there's a more chance of this immune reaction.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But if you bring in this high percentage of mesenchymal cells, all of a sudden your new system is calmer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: is more accepting and not to mention mesenchymal stem cells have this whole range of benefits, breaking down scar tissue, helping you form more blood vessels, reduce your inflammation, telling your cells to your local stem cells to differentiate and grow new tissue and help you fight microbes and it can rescue cells that don't have to die, it can kill off cancer cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So these are mesenchymal stem cells, you want them, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: But you also want the benefit from
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[SPEAKER_01]: the the number of cells when people say you have to look at are you comparing apples to apples.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if I'm giving a person 20 million of pure stem cells that have never been touched, you know, never divided in a tissue culture in an incubator.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then somebody else have 200 million cells that's been grown and left in the incubator for
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[SPEAKER_01]: a long time and now you're taking little portion of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So these two, you can't really compare these two.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I got 20 million of powerful cells and out of your 200 million of cells, you'd be lucky to have even 2 million of the cells that are actually stem cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, and there's another research that was presented at a conference showing exactly that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you give people
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[SPEAKER_01]: ten times the number of cells, but when they're expanded, right, grown in a culture, they fact is a lot less than the one ten for the cells, but have not been expanded.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's a scientific evidence that when you're looking at the capabilities of what these cells can do, they lose their abilities.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, I'm so great to you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm so grateful that you explained that because everybody just goes off the numbers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's like, oh, 100 million, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: 200 million.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm getting more and more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's funny, too, that in the world of hydrogen, sometimes it's like that, too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody's trying to overinflate the numbers, but would you agree that quality,
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[SPEAKER_00]: is better sometimes than quantity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, you need a fair number.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we have that, you know, in a real world case, a 911 responder, he's an interview with me, actually, he's on YouTube and on my podcast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if people just want to look at 911 responder, Dr. Duay Kong, that interview should pop right up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he actually went to
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, because he found a clinic through Joe Rogan's podcast and thought, well, that has to be the best, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is on Joe Rogan.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he went there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He got severe fatigue after the treatment, not just him, but the 20 people that were there at the same time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They all kept in touch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody got this severe fatigue for two months.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he has severe long damage from being in the pit for eight months after 9.11.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he was really in really bad shape.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he was really trying to save his life because a lot of his colleagues have died.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And but two months of extreme fatigue.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what the half month later, that's when he started to notice some benefit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he received huge number of cells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So this is, we write that they, they, they, they talk about giving you this large number.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can't do that in the US.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you have to come here and we can give you this large number.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's his experience.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And two and a half months later, he had a little bit of improvement.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then he found me and heard what I had to explain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then came into our clinic when he got themselves from us, which he did three times.
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[SPEAKER_01]: absolutely no side effects right no no fatigue at all actually increase the energy he had the sharp increase in energy and within three days he could feel the improvement in his lungs instead of waiting for two and a half months so this is this is a difference so it's really a beautiful story because now after three sessions at our clinic he he follows up with a pulmologist and he's CT scan is pretty much clear I mean he can be he's probably the first 9
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, whether you're a responder or you are actually, you know, just a civilian.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's a 911 victim.
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[SPEAKER_01]: First 911 victim to be, um,
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[SPEAKER_01]: pretty much cured of the long condition from that, from that tragedy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so using the power stencils.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, see this is, thank you so much for sharing that a piece of information because this is exactly the kind of stuff that I'm always looking for, whether it's with Hydrogen, but with stem cells, with whatever it else you always want to find the right information,
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[SPEAKER_00]: in order to get hopefully the best benefit, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because people are looking for benefits, right?
01:03:52.145 --> 01:03:52.947
[SPEAKER_00]: Looking for results.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So thank you so much for sharing that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so out of curiosity too, and I know we're probably coming to the end here pretty soon, does blood type matter in regards to all this or technically there is no blood body?
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[SPEAKER_01]: a lot of mothers carry their their children's cells in our body.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a huge infusion going on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they've found white chromosomes in females brain and and and breast tissue and all their organs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Part of it is because they've had some of the women is because they've had male children.
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[SPEAKER_01]: but actually majority of them, that's not the reason they had white chromosomes in their body, it's because it's actually intercourse.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I just want to show you that the exchange of DNA and of different cellular material is a common occurrence in the human existence.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I want people to keep that in mind to not freak out just because you have somebody else's DNA in your body.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, very likely you're going to have someone else DNA.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So don't think that you're so pristine pure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm sorry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a myth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Doesn't matter when on a military court doesn't matter if the babies like do male or females have different types of stem cells or are they very
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[SPEAKER_00]: interchangeable between male and female or some strong.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so far, I have not seen a difference and I haven't seen research showing a difference in that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, young cells, potent cells, that's what matters.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think, yeah, the male female that's has not come into play.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm very grateful for you and the work that you do because I really believe, I just believe when you do good things for people, it really feeds yourself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I appreciate someone like you who's trying to do stem cells on a higher level that's safer potentially more effective.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And in an ethical way, I do the same thing with hydrogen and everything else that I try to do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm grateful for people like you in the world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I absolutely love it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks again for coming on and I hope to see you again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for your support Greg.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I appreciate it work you do as well.
01:06:01.104 --> 01:06:04.689
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're all here trying to make people's life better and easier.
01:06:04.749 --> 01:06:06.592
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's a thing.
01:06:07.032 --> 01:06:11.719
[SPEAKER_01]: So my passion is from me just can't stand to see people suffer.
01:06:12.019 --> 01:06:13.922
[SPEAKER_01]: It's such a waste.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What a waste of good life for people to be stuck in a place that they don't have to get stuck in because we actually have the tools to get them to enjoy their life more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that's why I'm here.
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