ABOUT THIS EPISODE
Stop waiting for motivation; learn how to overcome the five biggest psychological and physical barriers to building a sustainable movement habit.
In this episode, Josh and Ashley Negron tackle the growing health crisis by providing a practical roadmap for anyone struggling to start or maintain a fitness routine. Moving beyond the "all or nothing" mentality, they explore how early bad decisions regarding movement compound over decades, leading to severe physical consequences in later life. The conversation reframes the discomfort of exercise through the "choose your hard" philosophy—trading the temporary "hard" of a morning workout for the permanent "hard" of chronic pain and lost mobility. Drawing from their personal transformations, the hosts share how finding community, starting small with activities like walking, and tying fitness to meaningful life goals—such as being physically able to play with future grandchildren—can create lasting behavioral change. Whether you are avoiding the gym due to self-consciousness or physical discomfort, this episode provides the mental tools and identity-shifting strategies needed to invest in your future self through consistent movement.
Key Takeaways:
- Identify the 5 Barriers: Recognize how pain, lack of rest, perfectionism, confusion, and isolation prevent you from starting.
- The "Choose Your Hard" Reframe: Understand that you are choosing between the temporary discomfort of exercise or the long-term hardship of health decline.
- Habit Stacking & Small Starts: Learn why starting with just a walk to the mailbox is more effective than an unsustainable lifestyle overhaul.
- Identity Statements: Shift your internal dialogue from "I need to work out" to "I am the type of person who works out" to build permanent habits.
- The Power of Shared Suffering: Discover how finding a community or involving your spouse in movement can strengthen relationships and ensure accountability.
Resources:
- Atomic Habits by James Clear
- Watch on YouTube
- Optimizing Beyond
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Welcome to the Optimizing Beyond podcast. I'm
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Josh Negron, and this show is all about sharing
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lessons, ideas, and strategies that sharpen your
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thinking, strengthen your habits, and push you
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to grow beyond comfort zones. Let's dive in.
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Welcome back to the show. Today we want to talk
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about optimizing your movement, fitness, and
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staying healthy. In today's day and age where
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America is arguably in the worst shape ever,
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and as we age I think we're starting to see people
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pay the consequences of their bad decisions,
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especially in health and in lack of movement
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over time. These are the kind of things that
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can compound and you can really start to see
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the consequences of people's daily decisions
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that have aggregated over decades now and can
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really have severe consequences to people's lives.
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And then also something you said to me that I
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think has stuck with me for a long time of people
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will say that they're willing to die for their
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family, but are you willing to live for them?
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So let's get into it. So starting out, I think
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there are five big barriers to getting people
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into regular movement. And those five are pain
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and discomfort, of course. having time or making
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it a priority, all or nothing thinking that's
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fueled by perfectionism, confusion of what to
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do or discouragement when you don't see the results
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that you want, and lastly, isolation, not a good
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support group or good community to help fuel
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those things. So let's get into those. And so
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Ashley, both of us not coming from a athlete
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or physically fit childhood, what of those five
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is the ones that were the biggest hurdles for
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you? Yeah, I think initially for me, it was that
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whole like pain and discomfort thing because
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I hadn't grown up learning how to push physically.
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In fact, I pretty much hated anything that had
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to do with any kind of physical movement for
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a long time. Yeah, learning to... be in pain
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and to be uncomfortable and to learn to embrace
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that. And then I think there was this whole,
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what's the right word, self -consciousness element
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to working out that I felt like people were going
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to be judging me or being like, oh, look, she
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doesn't know what she's doing. She doesn't know
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how to use that machine or she can't run very
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fast or whatever that it may be, right? Like
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that self -doubt, that self -critical component
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that so often keeps us from taking that step
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and doing that. And so I think Initially for
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me, you know, those were, those were big barriers
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to that. And in fact, in my early mid twenties,
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I was having a lot of physical joint. issues
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and was spending a lot of time at the chiropractor
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and I'll never, and I had put on, you know, a
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decent amount of weight and I'll never forget
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him telling me that if you don't figure out how
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to start physically moving and being physically
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active at this current pace, you're going to
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be crippled by the time that you're 50. And I
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was like, yeah, no, I'm not. And so that was
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kind of that whole smack in the face for me,
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right? Like that, are you willing to live for
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your family, right? Like I didn't want to put
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you in that position at 50 years old that I'm
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crippled and we can't go do things and we can't
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go enjoy things because I haven't taken care
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of my body. And so that was a turning point in
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a very pivotal fork in the road moment for me
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to decide I have to make a conscious decision
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to do something about it. you know, and in that
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moment is going to look different for everybody.
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And in that, like I asked a couple of friends,
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like, Hey, would you start like working out with
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me? And it was like, okay, cool. We're going
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to go like three days a week and we're just going
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to walk laps. Like we're going to go to the gym
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and we're going to just even like walk laps and
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talk. And turned it into something fun, right?
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Because that was time together, but it was physically
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moving and doing something. And then it was like,
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okay, well now we're going to go do some weight
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things. And you guys just showed us how to do
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some things with the weights. And so it's finding
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somebody and then just choosing to embrace the
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suck, really. Yeah, I mean, I'd say for me too,
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like in high school, I didn't play any sports
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throughout school. We moved every year to two
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years. So there wasn't really... any connection
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to any sports programs because, again, we were
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constantly moving. And so the only thing that
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was constant was band. And so there wasn't a
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lot of physicality to that, obviously. And so
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I think for me, it was the being worried what
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people would think. So when I graduated high
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school, I was probably barely five foot five
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and was 120, 125 pounds, skin and bones. And
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so I still remember my freshman year of college
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when a couple of guys on my floor were like,
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hey. Want to go lift? I'm like, I don't even
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know what that means. And so, you know, bench
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pressing the bar, like the barbell. And I remember
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45 pounds being heavy and then starting out with
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five pounds on each side. So I'm sure Donnie
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and Matt would remember those days. And so I
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think for me, once I got over, because I had
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somebody that asked me to go. Like you said,
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that group is so important. They were experienced.
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They knew what they were doing. And so I think
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for me, not feeling the judgment and... And having
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them being willing to teach me things, I think
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that took that fear away. And then when you're
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first starting anything, the rewards can start
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to stack up, right? You can start to see progress,
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especially when you're starting from nothing.
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And so, you know, having hardly any muscle mass
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whatsoever, you can start, especially as a guy,
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start to see that build, that there's a little
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bit of addiction that comes with that. And you're
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like, oh my gosh, this is awesome. Like, how
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much more could I do? And you start eating more
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and all those things. But you said something
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earlier that I think is a... a very important
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reframe that people need to consider because
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we talked about those five barriers to working
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out. If you have one in those categories or maybe
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one that we didn't mention, please share it in
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the comments. So the reframe is, choose your
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hard, right? So yes, some sort of movement, any
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type of movement is typically not easy, especially
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when you dial up the intensity and the difficulty
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over time so that your body doesn't get used
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to whatever you're doing. But if you make the
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choice, the conscious, or unconscious choice
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to not move regularly, then you're going to have
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a different kind of heart. Like you were describing
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that the chiropractor was like, hey, dude, if
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you don't get this in check, your second half
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of your life is going to be wicked hard. right?
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Yep. And so I know a lot of people talk about
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the conversations that they have with their doctors
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in their mid thirties or forties, where the doctor
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is having this come to Jesus meeting with them.
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Thankfully you had one in your twenties, which
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is awesome. So I think that people don't always
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have those conversations early in life. And then
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they're smacked with it later. Maybe they have
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a stroke or a surprise heart attack, or maybe
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some concerning labs where the doctor's like,
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Hey, these markers are crazy. If you don't get
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this in, check, bad things will happen. Sometimes
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there can be a blessing in that where someone
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will make a life transformation. But if you don't,
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what kind of hard are you going to be faced with?
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So we like to say, choose your hard, right? Choose
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the hard now, eat the frog now, and finding a
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way of movement that you can stomach per se and
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keep your health in a way where you can still
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have quality movement in your golden years. Right.
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Yeah. Well, that makes me think like a few years
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ago, we went on a trip to Zion National Park
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and had actually climbed the Angels Landing there
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in Zion. And that was, yeah, that was one of
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the more physically tough things that we've ever
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done. But the crazy thing is, is that a couple
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of days later, we were on one of the trams going
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to a different part of the park. And there was
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an older gentleman who was chatting with the
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people next to us. And they were asking him.
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He was by himself and they were asking him, you
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know, Hey, what, like, what are you doing? What
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have you been hiking? He's like, yeah, no, I
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just, I hiked angels landing yesterday. Like,
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Oh my gosh, that's crazy. Well, how, how old
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are you? He was in his late seventies and he
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had hiked angels landing the day before. And
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he's like, yeah, I try to come do this every
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few years. Right. And then a couple of years
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ago, my running partner and I met a gentleman
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while we were running a half marathon. who was
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in his early 70s and he had never ran before,
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but his son was running the marathon. And so
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he decided, you know what? I'm going to do the
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half marathon. And he was walk jogging and we
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stayed with him for a majority of that half marathon.
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And so that's the kind of physically, what I
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want to do now that's hard, yes. Like getting
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up early, making the time for that, being disciplined.
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It's hard now, but I want to be able to go. do
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things when we are older. I want to be able to
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go on trips with our nieces and nephews. I want
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to be able to bend over and pick up something
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because I dropped it. I want to be able to go
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up and downstairs. I want to be able to get up
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off the toilet, right? Like those are the kinds
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of things that you train for now so that as we
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get older, life is a little bit easier. They
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actually say that your amount of muscle mass
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in your legs is a direct predictor to longevity
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of life. And so put in the work, do those things
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for such a quality of life later. Not to get
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too deep into some rabbit holes, but that claim
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by a lot of doctors recently has been huge. That
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muscle mass is a huge indicator of longevity
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potential. And so I think that's important for
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all people to understand. I think women get nervous
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to do weights and those kinds of things. I think
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if you dig into the physiology, you'll understand
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that it is not possible without drug intervention
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for a woman to get wicked jacked if they do weights.
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Biologically, that's not how it works. So if
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you are a woman that is... avoiding and you're
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like, I'm cardio only because I don't want to
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get big. Like that's not going to happen. I mean,
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you can, you can YouTube spiral for hours to
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know I'm right. So, but if you just want to take
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my word for it, you're good. Weights is super
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important for your skeleton to get denser and
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stronger. And for, for women, it's going to be
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your muscle mass is going to get denser, not,
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not, not bigger typically from a size perspective,
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but that density is also going to help you with
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that longevity factor for the guys, similar concept.
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It's going to be density and size, but the more
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you can do weights as a part of your routine,
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that's why it's important. So you see... ratios.
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And there's so many different things that you
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can do. And getting in the nitty gritty is not
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what we're going to cover today. But strength
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has to be a part of the formula. If you are cardio
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only, you're going to be missing a dynamic component
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of that. I used to be strength only. Now I do
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CrossFit. I do enjoy the mix because the focus
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started changing. I referenced in one of our
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previous episodes, Matt Johnson. I remember he
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made this transition before me. So he's one of
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the guys that got me into weightlifting. And
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I was a little frustrated when he stopped lifting
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because he's like, well, I want to get into like
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cardio and like running. And I'm like, this guy,
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like he's getting in all this stupid stuff. I
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was not interested in cardio whatsoever, but
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cardiovascular health has its importance too.
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So it's this thing of, of trying to. Trying to
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blend the things. But yeah, strength is so important.
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Well, and what's funny is I would say I was actually
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the opposite. I started more in the cardio world
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and then added the weightlifting and realized
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like, oh, my cardio actually got better once
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I started lifting and I was stronger. My my mild
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times got so much faster and I could go longer
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and farther because I had been doing the weightlifting
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and because I had done that. Being able to actually
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end up deciding and training for and running
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a marathon would not have been possible had I
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not been doing the weightlifting beforehand.
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My body would not have been able to have sustained
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that amount of mileage and time and all of those
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things. So yeah, you definitely need both of
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those things in order to be healthy. Yeah, no,
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absolutely. So I want to run through some...
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some five best tips for someone who's looking
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to get into movement more in their lives. The
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first one we picked was getting into something
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that you enjoy or what I could maybe classify
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as most tolerate. So share with us like how this
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helped you get into movement, especially both
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of us growing up, not having that be a habit
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or anything of importance. Yeah, well, like I
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mentioned earlier, I think my fitness journey
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started with just like walking with my friend
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Tammy, right? And so we both had decided like,
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hey, we need to get healthier. We need to lose
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some weight. And so, hey, let's do that together.
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And so we just started walking laps around the
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gym on the walking track. And then we added doing
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some weights. And then a bunch of us decided
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that we were going to run the Joplin Memorial
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5K all together. And then a group of us girls
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decided like, oh, hey, that was okay. We did
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that. Like, let's train for a half marathon.
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And so started running and training. And there
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was a whole crew of people together, right? And
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I think that for me was what I didn't necessarily
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love the running component, but I loved the community
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element of learning to do that together. Now,
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we weren't all the same pace. We didn't all run
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the same mile times. We all did different cadences,
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whatever that looked like, right? But we all
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met at a friend's house that was right by the
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trail at a certain time on a weekend, and then
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we'd all go out and run at the same time. We'd
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finish at different times, but then... Somebody
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else might come back and say, hey, let me finish
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running with you. I'm going to, you know, put
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in a little bit of extra or whatever that that
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looks like. And it was so much easier to do together.
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And I actually found like, I enjoy this, you
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know, and that was in 2012. And since then, I've
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ran more half marathons than I can count. And
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like I said earlier, like trained for a full
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marathon and still like. actually have figured
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out a cadence and enjoy running and have set
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some running goals for myself for for 2026 it
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almost you know approaching 41 i would have never
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imagined that i would still be doing that now
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and so yeah it's finding something that you can
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tolerate whatever that that looks like right
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and so yeah just i don't know i've had to learn
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to embrace as we say like in crossfit like i've
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just embraced the suck like it's gonna suck but
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it's for a short period of time It's what, not
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even an hour in your day? Like do the hard thing.
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Your day will be so much better because you've
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done the hard thing. And sometimes you, I don't
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know, you just have to show up and you just have
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to do it. You don't have to like it, but you
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know in the grand scheme of things in the long
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term that that's the best decision that you could
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make is just to show up and just to do it. Yeah.
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And that's number two, like embrace the discomfort,
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embrace the pain, which, you know, is easy to
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say. But there is some brain mechanisms that
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help you at the end of those things. When we
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engage something that's not going to be easy
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and we see it through, there is a dopamine reward
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at the end of that. I know some people, they
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are able to tap into that very effectively. And
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other people are like, no, I'm good, you know.
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But if you're able to tap into that, it can be
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a very powerful thing. I can tell you that almost
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every week there's at least one Metcon, one workout
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that I, when I'm in the middle of, the fight
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or flight activates and I'm like, man, I don't
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really want to finish this and I don't care what
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anyone thinks if I just walk out of this place.
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But I can tell you that when I don't and I, you
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know, when I choose not to do that and to see
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it through. then in a certain respect, there's
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something cool knowing that, especially in the
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morning, which is why I like to work out in the
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morning. There's something really cool about
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knowing you just tackled the hardest, likely
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the hardest thing that you're going to engage
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with that day and you saw it through and then
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everything else is going to be easier. Like there's
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just something cool about that that I think is
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pretty powerful. Number three is just start,
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right? You mentioned that you just started walking
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with Tammy. So a lot of people ask me. for fitness
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advice, you know, hey, what should I do? And
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it's, it's, it's sometimes tough to answer that
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question, because it depends on that person,
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their previous experience, their current physical
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capabilities, and also their motivations and
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discipline. And so I kind of have to answer that
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custom for everybody. But starting small is a
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lot of times a big part of my advice, right?
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So for I have the pleasure of knowing a good
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number of people who have lost 50 to over 100
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pounds in the last three to five years. And these
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people have been incredible. And a lot of them,
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I want to say probably over 70 % of them started
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by walking. And that is so incredible. And they
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just started stacking things, maybe started walking
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for 15 minutes, then 20 or speeding it up. Or
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there's so much variability that you can do.
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It's starting small. I like to say it's to get
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away from the all or nothing mentality, right?
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Correct. It's like, well, I have to do this for
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a billion hours and I have to do it every single
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day. And you set just all of these. It's akin
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to when people say, it drives me crazy when people
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are like, I'm not eating dessert ever again.
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I'm like, what is going on? No, that is not the
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right. It's not sustainable. Like, that's just
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so crazy. So doing that in fitness is just as
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dumb. So I really think start small, whether,
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you know, for example, I'm going to walk for
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20 minutes at a good clip listening to, you can
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build entire playlists that are a certain beat
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per minute. You can like, I'm going to walk to
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that, to all of these songs in my playlist, and
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then you can bump it up. Now you can integrate
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Spotify and Apple Music with your ChatGPT and
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you can say, hey, make me a playlist of all of
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these beat per minute. And then when you get
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that. to a good spot you can be okay now make
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me one for a little faster and you can commit
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to that 20 minutes three days a week boom done
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then when you're like i'm bored or that's too
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easy i'm not challenged anymore then we can look
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at spicing it up yeah starting small jelly roll
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has been talking a lot lately about his transformation
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and in losing so much weight right And he had
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Dr. Gary Brekka help him with this weight loss
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transformation naturally, right? And they talk
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about like the first thing that Gary told him
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to do was to walk to the mailbox and back. That
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was it for the first like week. It was literally
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walking to the mailbox. And then it was, okay,
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now we're going to walk to this light pole and
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back. And now we're going to do this and back,
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right? And so it literally like he just started
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by walking. And then he started walking up the
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hill. And then he started walking down the hill
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or he, you know, whatever that it was. And there's
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so many videos that you can go and watch Jelly
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Roll talk about this journey. But he did. He
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just started small with that one little thing,
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right? That was the only change that he made
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was he got up and he started moving. And then
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he started habit stacking. We've talked about
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habit stacking before. in other podcasts. And
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so you don't want to just make this whole like
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declarative statement, right? And just saying,
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Oh my gosh, I'm going to go from nothing to five
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days a week in the gym. And I'm going to start
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eating healthy. I'm going to do all my meal prep.
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I'm going to do all these things, right? You
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have literally just set yourself up for failure.
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You're going to make it like three days before
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you're like, yeah, forget this. This is too much
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work because you've, you've went from completely
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one way to the other in, in the snap of a finger.
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And that's That's too much for most of us. We
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don't have the habits and the patterns built
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in to make a dramatic change like that. So pick
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one thing. Say, I'm going to go walk X, Y, Z.
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Or I'm going to do whatever. And then maybe it's
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also in addition to the movement, there's one
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food choice that you make. One small thing. Just
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one. It doesn't need to be this whole dramatic.
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And then when you tackle that, you start stacking
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little things on top of it in that continual
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movement. Yeah, the all or nothing approach doesn't
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work for most of us. The cold turkey, the dramatic
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lifestyle shifts just don't work for most of
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us. Start small. It's true. Now, the fourth one
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is tie it to something meaningful. Now, this
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can be something to do with your kids or your
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spouse, or if you have enough self -respect and
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self -love, maybe even for yourself. And so one
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of my favorite stories. is one of my dear friends
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was getting his life together. He's lost well
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over 100 pounds now, and it's just so incredible
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to see that transformation. And he was putting
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in a lot of work in the evenings typically, or
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he would do it in the morning but have to go
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to bed earlier with the family staying up. And
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so it was eating into his family time, basically.
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And I remember that it was causing some friction
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in the family. And his youngest daughter walked
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up to him one day while he was working out. And
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she says, hey, why are you, you know, why are
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you doing this so much? You know, because she
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recognized that it was a big time commitment.
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And he says, well, I want to be there to walk
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you down the aisle someday when you get married
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versus not being able to be there and someone
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else having to do that. And she was like, okay,
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thank you. And then that was it. But that tiny
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moment was something that was so powerful for
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him. He was like, man, and she appreciated it.
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And that was just a moment that I'm sure he'll
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never forget. And so tie it to something meaningful.
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If you're not going to do it for yourself, if
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you're not quite there yet with your confidence
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or the way you look at yourself, if you've still
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got a little self -loathing formula to work through,
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then maybe... You do it for someone you love,
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right? If you're not going to do it for yourself,
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do it for them and use that as some fuel. I don't
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know if it's always the best fuel depending on,
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you know, where you're getting it from. If it
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can spark you into some movement, I'm okay with
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that. And so... Find that motivation, whether
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it is, yeah, to be there for your spouse, like
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you said, in an older age, or be there for your
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kids. We saw when we went to Alaska on our Alaskan
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cruise, I think we brought down the average age
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on that ship. But it was cool to see a lot of
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families were doing like this multi -generational
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thing, right? Like where the, you know, the...
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The grandparents were there, the parents, and
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then the kids. And so to see three generations
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on that ship, and there was definitely a different
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assortment of capabilities there. There were
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some that all three generations could do cool
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experiences together. And then there were some
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where they were pretty limited. Props to them
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for going anyway. But there's definitely that
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quality difference that we could observe, right?
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Yep. I'll never forget sitting at breakfast and
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the family behind us was planning for a hike
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that day, right? And there was, you know, three
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generations sitting there, mom, dad, grandparents.
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and the kiddos and yeah, they were taking a baby
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and they were going to go hike around and we're
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figuring out the trails and all those kinds of
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things. And so it was just really cool to hear
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that, you know, that this, this family was choosing
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to, to be physically active and that the grandparents
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were, were capable of that. You know, we take
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trips where we, we want to be physically active.
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We always say that we walk so we can eat and
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laugh about it, but it's, it's partially true,
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right? Like I want to be able to be physically
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active so that when we take a, take a trip and
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I need to walk 20 ,000 steps a day or go hike
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a marathon over three days. Like I am physically
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capable of doing that. I may be tired and I may
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be exhausted, but my body can keep going. You
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know, there's so much that you miss out on if
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you're not physically able to move. And I am
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so grateful for that chiropractor who looked
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me in the eye and said, hey, I want more for
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you than where we're at right now. And that I
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listened, that I chose to do the work and now
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can go, oh, yeah, like I'm so glad. Look at the
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things that I've accomplished over the last,
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you know, now this would have been like 15 years.
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the things that I've done and the goals that
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I've set and the things that I've been able to
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accomplish that never, you know, without that
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push and that shove, I don't know that I would
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have naturally done that on my own, right? Yeah,
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no, absolutely. And that leads into the last
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one of... Finding a community to do movement
00:24:45.759 --> 00:24:48.299
with. I think we've touched on that and that's
00:24:48.299 --> 00:24:51.140
what got both of us started. Finding a class
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or a club or even a group. Pickleball is like
00:24:54.400 --> 00:24:56.960
all the rage right now. I mean, it's negative
00:24:56.960 --> 00:24:59.640
degrees outside with the windchill today with
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like eight to 10 inches on the ground. But, you
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know, finding a type of movement that you can
00:25:04.400 --> 00:25:07.059
do with others is something that can naturally
00:25:07.059 --> 00:25:12.059
build that community aspect. Also that need for
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not being alone. But then also it forges relationships
00:25:15.890 --> 00:25:18.309
and it also has built in accountability where
00:25:18.309 --> 00:25:20.990
people are like, they're looking for you. Oh,
00:25:21.029 --> 00:25:22.569
and they'll miss you when you're not there. And
00:25:22.569 --> 00:25:24.630
then they might even ask you, hey, where were
00:25:24.630 --> 00:25:26.210
you yesterday? You didn't make it. Oh, and so
00:25:26.210 --> 00:25:27.809
like I was going to partner with you with that
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and you weren't here. And, you know, there's
00:25:29.609 --> 00:25:31.809
this feeling like, oh, man, I got to be there.
00:25:31.910 --> 00:25:35.269
And so that can, I think we could talk for hours
00:25:35.269 --> 00:25:37.990
about how the community aspect has been really
00:25:37.990 --> 00:25:40.369
powerful for us. We spoke about a couple episodes
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ago about how. CrossFit, we found a lot of amazing,
00:25:44.460 --> 00:25:46.259
meaningful relationships over the last eight
00:25:46.259 --> 00:25:49.119
years doing that. And so it can be something
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that'd be super rewarding for you. Absolutely.
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Yeah. The community element of not doing it by
00:25:55.259 --> 00:25:58.799
yourself is so, so important. So don't be afraid.
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Like if you're someone who is physically active
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and you're into fitness, like invite people to
00:26:03.220 --> 00:26:05.579
come along. Be like, hey, do you want to, you
00:26:05.579 --> 00:26:07.799
know, you want to come with me? My gym's offering
00:26:07.799 --> 00:26:09.500
a free week or whatever. Most gyms have that
00:26:09.500 --> 00:26:11.819
kind of a bring a friend thing. And so just.
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Show up. Invite. Invite people. Try new things.
00:26:17.640 --> 00:26:21.660
Try learning new skills. You never know what
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may be something that you truly enjoy. Our friend
00:26:24.680 --> 00:26:26.259
Trey is the one who got us into pickleball. And
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I was like, pickleball? I'm not a racket sport
00:26:28.480 --> 00:26:30.640
kind of a girl. I have no hand -eye coordination,
00:26:30.779 --> 00:26:34.180
whatever. Turns out it's so fun. And it's something
00:26:34.180 --> 00:26:36.299
that we've been playing now for a couple of years.
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And as it's happened, we've gotten more people
00:26:38.839 --> 00:26:41.099
into it and brought people along. And now there's
00:26:41.099 --> 00:26:43.650
this whole crew of us that... play together and
00:26:43.650 --> 00:26:46.990
have a blast doing it. The community that we
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have built as a part of that is just something
00:26:49.950 --> 00:26:52.609
that's been so, so fun and those relationships
00:26:52.609 --> 00:26:56.670
that have been forged. And so, yeah, find people
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to do it with and try. Don't be afraid to try
00:27:00.130 --> 00:27:03.109
new things. You genuinely never know what it
00:27:03.109 --> 00:27:05.690
is that you may enjoy. Yeah, CrossFit and pickleball
00:27:05.690 --> 00:27:08.269
are two things I never, ever thought in a million
00:27:08.269 --> 00:27:10.740
years. If you'd have told 20 -year -old me we'd
00:27:10.740 --> 00:27:12.519
be doing those two things, I would have laughed
00:27:12.519 --> 00:27:15.339
at you. Don't, yeah, don't be afraid to try new
00:27:15.339 --> 00:27:17.960
things. Yeah, and that's something that I was
00:27:17.960 --> 00:27:20.619
thinking about earlier, to not be afraid of the
00:27:20.619 --> 00:27:23.339
evolution and the change. I mean, decades ago,
00:27:23.440 --> 00:27:26.779
what I was into was strictly lifting and racquetball.
00:27:27.130 --> 00:27:28.970
And I played racquetball every single day in
00:27:28.970 --> 00:27:31.029
college. It was awesome. And it was something
00:27:31.029 --> 00:27:33.630
that kept my ligaments strong. And I was able
00:27:33.630 --> 00:27:35.630
to get my heart rate up because, you know, straight
00:27:35.630 --> 00:27:37.849
lifting wasn't doing that. I made fun of CrossFit
00:27:37.849 --> 00:27:41.089
for probably 15 years before I actually started
00:27:41.089 --> 00:27:42.730
it. I was like, oh, you're just going to hurt
00:27:42.730 --> 00:27:45.130
yourself. You know, whatever. So don't be afraid
00:27:45.130 --> 00:27:46.930
of having different seasons of fitness either.
00:27:47.210 --> 00:27:49.650
Absolutely. Sometimes you're like, no, I found
00:27:49.650 --> 00:27:51.660
what I love. I'm going to keep doing it. perfect.
00:27:51.839 --> 00:27:53.880
If staying in your lane is what keeps you moving.
00:27:54.019 --> 00:27:56.180
Awesome. For those of you who get bored with
00:27:56.180 --> 00:27:57.779
it and you're like, man, like, I'm just tired
00:27:57.779 --> 00:28:00.119
of this. This is beating up my body. You know,
00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:02.660
sometimes doing the same type of fitness for
00:28:02.660 --> 00:28:06.460
so long, it's, you'll see certain athletes, especially
00:28:06.460 --> 00:28:08.940
in the elite level, you'll see certain athletes
00:28:08.940 --> 00:28:11.819
start to cross train certain things and then
00:28:11.819 --> 00:28:14.500
they get even better at their select sport, right?
00:28:14.559 --> 00:28:16.519
They're like, oh, this, uh, this Olympic runner
00:28:16.519 --> 00:28:19.000
started doing some, some lifting or some whatever.
00:28:19.160 --> 00:28:21.029
Or I think of, uh, Michael Jordan, Jordan, when
00:28:21.029 --> 00:28:24.490
he was getting destroyed by the Pistons over
00:28:24.490 --> 00:28:26.410
and over. And he's like, no, I need to gain some
00:28:26.410 --> 00:28:28.410
weight. I need to do some weight training. And
00:28:28.410 --> 00:28:30.650
this will help change my body in a way where
00:28:30.650 --> 00:28:33.690
I can be more dominant in the sport. So don't
00:28:33.690 --> 00:28:35.890
be afraid to explore different types of fitness
00:28:35.890 --> 00:28:37.869
if you're getting bored. The same thing can make
00:28:37.869 --> 00:28:40.029
you feel overwhelmed. And so what's beautiful
00:28:40.029 --> 00:28:42.910
about it is with fitness, there's so many different
00:28:42.910 --> 00:28:46.069
things you can do that the options can be paralyzing.
00:28:46.089 --> 00:28:49.049
But also, if you get bored, you got options.
00:28:49.579 --> 00:28:51.859
So it can kind of help you on both sides. So
00:28:51.859 --> 00:28:55.000
find something that you enjoy or at least tolerate.
00:28:55.200 --> 00:28:57.579
But then also like if you get bored with it,
00:28:57.619 --> 00:28:59.660
that's fine. There's like a billion different
00:28:59.660 --> 00:29:01.640
things that you can do and you don't have to
00:29:01.640 --> 00:29:03.819
do them alone. So it can be so, so powerful.
00:29:03.920 --> 00:29:06.140
So towards the end, I want to transition into
00:29:06.140 --> 00:29:10.559
the mental component of movement, right? Because
00:29:10.559 --> 00:29:13.779
what you said to me was that our bodies are an
00:29:13.779 --> 00:29:17.019
outward expression of our minds. Can you kind
00:29:17.019 --> 00:29:19.200
of walk me through what you were thinking about
00:29:19.200 --> 00:29:21.480
when you said that? Yeah, I think so. This is
00:29:21.480 --> 00:29:25.420
just a reflection of my own life. When I am dialed
00:29:25.420 --> 00:29:28.039
in and I am really like working on my fitness,
00:29:28.099 --> 00:29:31.640
I notice that my mind is less cluttered. And
00:29:31.640 --> 00:29:33.440
there's a lot less things that are battling going
00:29:33.440 --> 00:29:35.900
on. But when I start to let my fitness slip,
00:29:35.980 --> 00:29:38.859
that's also when my mind is cluttered or overwhelmed
00:29:38.859 --> 00:29:40.799
or stressed or those kinds of things. And that's
00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:43.019
actually when I need to be putting in the most
00:29:43.019 --> 00:29:44.980
amount of work, right? I feel like this is actually
00:29:44.980 --> 00:29:47.240
something like I'm currently challenging myself
00:29:47.240 --> 00:29:51.250
with as, you know, my... The role at work has
00:29:51.250 --> 00:29:53.289
shifted and it's definitely more stressful than
00:29:53.289 --> 00:29:55.430
it has been, but I don't want to make that an
00:29:55.430 --> 00:29:57.490
excuse to not put in the work in the gym, right?
00:29:57.630 --> 00:30:00.269
And so I think that the way in which that we
00:30:00.269 --> 00:30:03.390
treat our bodies and what we allow, what we put
00:30:03.390 --> 00:30:06.750
in, what we allow, what we eat, what we drink,
00:30:06.849 --> 00:30:09.569
all those kinds of things can be a direct reflection
00:30:09.569 --> 00:30:12.549
of what is going on mentally for us. Are we mentally
00:30:12.549 --> 00:30:16.619
clear? Are we... pushing? Are we just staying
00:30:16.619 --> 00:30:19.359
stagnant? So many different phrases could be
00:30:19.359 --> 00:30:21.980
used for that. And so I think, you know, our
00:30:21.980 --> 00:30:26.400
bodies are not meant to carry all of this extra
00:30:26.400 --> 00:30:29.599
weight. They aren't meant... to digest all of
00:30:29.599 --> 00:30:32.319
the fast food and all of those things, right?
00:30:32.400 --> 00:30:35.420
Like we were not created for that. And so when
00:30:35.420 --> 00:30:38.099
we, when we indulge in that, I also think that
00:30:38.099 --> 00:30:41.660
it mentally affects our ability to think clearly,
00:30:41.740 --> 00:30:46.130
to process things well. to be the best version
00:30:46.130 --> 00:30:48.549
of ourselves. It doesn't have to just be, you
00:30:48.549 --> 00:30:50.430
know, we've talked about so many ways about being
00:30:50.430 --> 00:30:51.890
the best version of yourselves when it comes
00:30:51.890 --> 00:30:53.890
to controlling our thoughts, controlling our
00:30:53.890 --> 00:30:55.710
emotions, all of those things, but physically
00:30:55.710 --> 00:30:58.630
is just as important as mentally. And it took
00:30:58.630 --> 00:31:01.410
me a lot of years to learn, to learn that and
00:31:01.410 --> 00:31:04.970
to choose to. do that. You know, I started to
00:31:04.970 --> 00:31:07.650
realize, you know, a couple of weeks ago, like
00:31:07.650 --> 00:31:10.589
I didn't have any specific goals physically for
00:31:10.589 --> 00:31:14.150
2026. And then I was just kind of aimlessly putting
00:31:14.150 --> 00:31:17.150
in half -hearted work in the gym and maybe making
00:31:17.150 --> 00:31:21.690
excuses to not always show up and not to do the
00:31:21.690 --> 00:31:23.970
physical work and going, okay, hang on a minute.
00:31:24.390 --> 00:31:26.710
You need a goal and you need something that you're
00:31:26.710 --> 00:31:29.650
going to work towards or 2026 is going to slip
00:31:29.650 --> 00:31:32.130
by and you're not going to be where you want
00:31:32.130 --> 00:31:34.690
to be. by the middle end of the year. And so
00:31:34.690 --> 00:31:37.769
I set a pretty lofty goal for myself when it
00:31:37.769 --> 00:31:40.950
came to running for... this year and I'm excited
00:31:40.950 --> 00:31:43.730
to see what's going to happen with that and actually
00:31:43.730 --> 00:31:46.630
I need to set a reward for myself for meeting
00:31:46.630 --> 00:31:49.069
that goal by the end of this year. You set so
00:31:49.069 --> 00:31:51.549
many other goals in other places in other areas
00:31:51.549 --> 00:31:54.069
of your life. Set it in physical things too,
00:31:54.210 --> 00:31:56.710
right? Like maybe it's that you've got a certain
00:31:56.710 --> 00:31:58.150
lift that you want to work on and you're going
00:31:58.150 --> 00:32:00.289
to spend that time. Maybe it's that you're looking
00:32:00.289 --> 00:32:04.230
for to get a mile time at a certain thing or
00:32:04.230 --> 00:32:06.589
oh I want to run farther than I've ever ran before
00:32:06.589 --> 00:32:09.650
or oh I want to do this. work out faster than
00:32:09.650 --> 00:32:12.069
i've ever done it before decide what that is
00:32:12.069 --> 00:32:14.930
going to be and then tell other people about
00:32:14.930 --> 00:32:18.349
it right like now like i've told you i've told
00:32:18.349 --> 00:32:20.349
my running partner i've told one of our coaches
00:32:20.349 --> 00:32:22.609
like i've told people so they're going to hold
00:32:22.609 --> 00:32:24.529
me accountable and when they see me working on
00:32:24.529 --> 00:32:26.009
this running goal they're going to go awesome
00:32:26.009 --> 00:32:28.690
great how is that how's that going There's so
00:32:28.690 --> 00:32:30.970
many other ways that we are disciplined and we
00:32:30.970 --> 00:32:35.069
set guardrails for ourselves mentally, emotionally,
00:32:35.289 --> 00:32:37.690
spiritually. We need to be doing the same things
00:32:37.690 --> 00:32:40.609
physically. We can't just leave that up to chance
00:32:40.609 --> 00:32:44.170
and to go, oh, it'll be fine. I can figure that
00:32:44.170 --> 00:32:48.549
out. And so that's kind of my own personal processing
00:32:48.549 --> 00:32:50.470
that I've been doing. And I think that that phrase
00:32:50.470 --> 00:32:52.990
of our bodies are a reflection of what's going
00:32:52.990 --> 00:32:54.809
on in our mind, that's kind of where that concept
00:32:54.809 --> 00:32:57.789
came from for me. personally what I'm walking
00:32:57.789 --> 00:33:01.450
through right now. And it's also some things
00:33:01.450 --> 00:33:03.690
that you can practice mentally from an identity
00:33:03.690 --> 00:33:06.470
standpoint can also be can also dovetail into
00:33:06.470 --> 00:33:09.049
that. As far as you know, some things that we've
00:33:09.049 --> 00:33:11.349
talked about one of the greatest books on habits,
00:33:11.430 --> 00:33:13.750
Atomic Habits by James Clear, he talks about
00:33:13.750 --> 00:33:15.930
just some of that internal dialogue that you
00:33:15.930 --> 00:33:19.009
use in your mind about fitness. And so for example,
00:33:19.170 --> 00:33:21.990
the the thought that a lot of people have is
00:33:22.599 --> 00:33:24.819
I need to work out. And he would suggest that
00:33:24.819 --> 00:33:27.259
you replace that with I'm the type of person.
00:33:27.299 --> 00:33:29.420
It's an identity statement. I'm the type of person
00:33:29.420 --> 00:33:33.319
that works out. And so it changes your view and
00:33:33.319 --> 00:33:35.819
your internal dialogue and words matter. Internal
00:33:35.819 --> 00:33:38.460
words just as much as external words. I mean,
00:33:38.480 --> 00:33:40.140
we could we should probably talk about that in
00:33:40.140 --> 00:33:44.210
a future episode. Yes. But that being said, there
00:33:44.210 --> 00:33:46.410
is something transformative and powerful about
00:33:46.410 --> 00:33:49.150
saying that you are the type of person and believing
00:33:49.150 --> 00:33:50.710
that you're the type of person that works out
00:33:50.710 --> 00:33:53.529
versus need to work out. I need to work out because
00:33:53.529 --> 00:33:56.990
that is a statement of duty and typically connected
00:33:56.990 --> 00:33:59.650
with the thought that you don't want to. That
00:33:59.650 --> 00:34:02.269
will that will be a change that I think is meaningful.
00:34:02.589 --> 00:34:06.009
Another. Practical thought on identity is never
00:34:06.009 --> 00:34:08.389
missing twice. This is another James Clear thought.
00:34:08.829 --> 00:34:11.829
If you miss the gym on one day, make the commitment
00:34:11.829 --> 00:34:15.730
to not miss the next day. Never miss twice. And
00:34:15.730 --> 00:34:18.349
so that starts to build that going. What I like
00:34:18.349 --> 00:34:20.389
about the never miss twice is as a recovering
00:34:20.389 --> 00:34:23.050
perfectionist myself, I like the never miss twice
00:34:23.050 --> 00:34:26.329
because it insinuates you will miss. And there's
00:34:26.329 --> 00:34:29.349
a lot of people out there, usually 50 to 60 %
00:34:29.349 --> 00:34:31.929
of them that are perfectionists or recovering
00:34:31.929 --> 00:34:35.059
perfectionists that, It goes into the all or
00:34:35.059 --> 00:34:37.059
nothing mentality of like, no, I'm going to go
00:34:37.059 --> 00:34:38.880
to the gym. And then when they miss one day,
00:34:39.019 --> 00:34:41.340
then they also eat like garbage that day and
00:34:41.340 --> 00:34:43.239
everything goes out the window. And then it's
00:34:43.239 --> 00:34:45.139
that much harder to do the next day. And then
00:34:45.139 --> 00:34:47.420
before you know it, an entire month has passed
00:34:47.420 --> 00:34:49.420
where your entire commitment's gone and it's
00:34:49.420 --> 00:34:51.579
trashed because of one day. So make that commitment.
00:34:51.780 --> 00:34:55.039
Never miss twice. Be the kind of person that
00:34:55.039 --> 00:34:57.800
never misses twice, right? And then lastly, I
00:34:57.800 --> 00:35:00.369
want to cover... the mental work of some of the
00:35:00.369 --> 00:35:03.389
fears involved in starting movement, like the
00:35:03.389 --> 00:35:06.150
fear of looking dumb or the fear of failing or
00:35:06.150 --> 00:35:09.190
the fear of pain and soreness, which is going
00:35:09.190 --> 00:35:12.030
to be the uncomfortability of movement. I think
00:35:12.030 --> 00:35:14.550
that, like we've talked about, those communities
00:35:14.550 --> 00:35:17.489
can really help. For both of us, it was people
00:35:17.489 --> 00:35:20.409
that brought us into movement. For you, it was
00:35:20.409 --> 00:35:22.550
walking or running. And for me, it was lifting.
00:35:22.690 --> 00:35:24.969
And these people were super gracious. They were
00:35:24.969 --> 00:35:27.969
either starting on our same level or they were...
00:35:28.010 --> 00:35:30.050
more experienced than us, and they were happy
00:35:30.050 --> 00:35:32.610
we were there. I remember when I first started
00:35:32.610 --> 00:35:35.190
CrossFit, I had never done a single Olympic lift.
00:35:35.329 --> 00:35:39.130
So starting those was super awkward. My mobility
00:35:39.130 --> 00:35:41.750
wasn't ready for those kinds of movements. I
00:35:41.750 --> 00:35:45.170
remember not feeling judged by the people that
00:35:45.170 --> 00:35:47.409
were there. And it seems like in those type of
00:35:47.409 --> 00:35:50.650
communities, they remember when they were new,
00:35:50.789 --> 00:35:53.250
right? And they didn't know anything. And so
00:35:53.250 --> 00:35:55.750
coaches and long established members, they kind
00:35:55.750 --> 00:35:58.269
of love coming alongside new newbies and being
00:35:58.269 --> 00:36:00.750
like, hey, super glad you're here. Like, how
00:36:00.750 --> 00:36:03.449
can I help you? And it's super fun to kind of
00:36:03.449 --> 00:36:06.090
help someone that's new. When we're afraid of
00:36:06.090 --> 00:36:08.489
trying something new, we all have this archetype
00:36:08.489 --> 00:36:10.889
of this jerk face that is just going to be there
00:36:10.889 --> 00:36:13.210
judging us. And most of the time, people are
00:36:13.210 --> 00:36:15.110
more obsessed with themselves than they are about
00:36:15.110 --> 00:36:17.510
us. And nine times out of 10, nobody's even noticing
00:36:17.510 --> 00:36:20.190
you unless you're Brian Regan and flopping around
00:36:20.190 --> 00:36:22.150
in the scaffolding in the gym thinking it's a
00:36:22.150 --> 00:36:24.150
machine. I want to close, Ashley, with talking
00:36:24.150 --> 00:36:27.969
about how we navigated getting into fitness at
00:36:27.969 --> 00:36:30.570
different stages of our lives, right? And so
00:36:30.570 --> 00:36:34.429
for us, it was something that I had been in movement
00:36:34.429 --> 00:36:36.869
for a long time since college before we were
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married. And that was not something that was
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a part of your life till many, many years. I
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know for me, I wanted you to be a part of that.
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I wanted you to go with me every day, but that's
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not a habit that you had established yet. So
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for me, I needed to work on having patience with
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you. to build that routine over time, to not
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have resentment when you wouldn't go, you know,
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say like in the evening, we would talk about
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us going and in the morning, you would hit the
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snooze button and decide not to. And so I know
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I had to work on letting those moments go and
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not being frustrated. But walk us through like,
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from your perspective, how it was getting into
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that habit, what changed from it being inconsistent
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to consistent? You know, I think for me, yeah,
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there was a lot of years of not doing it together.
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Our schedules are a little bit different in that,
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you know, we don't have kids that somebody has
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to stay at home with. I know for couples, like
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you've got to find what rhythm works for you.
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But yeah, I think it's an area to be gracious
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and patient and then just to lead the way, right?
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Like in a lot of other areas, like be the one
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to set that example. We just had to learn to
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be gracious and patient with each other and then
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to encourage once the other person started, right?
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Like, but to just be encouraging once the other
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person started and then to commiserate when we
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were both sore together or... You know, I'll
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never forget how sore I was after my very first
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CrossFit workout. And to go, yep, nope, I totally
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understand. I feel that. And to build habits
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around that together. Maybe it's stretching together
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in the evenings or it's setting that bedtime
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routine together, you know. And I know for people
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that everybody's lives are different. And so
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that may not be a practical thing. But for us.
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It's that we go to the gym at the same time together,
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you know, and we have lots of friends that show
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up with their spouses. And I think that's, that's
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something that's huge too, is that when you suffer
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and put your health and make that a priority
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together. There is something that is bonding
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about that. Even if you're not doing the same
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thing, like we go to the gym at the same time,
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but I don't always do the CrossFit workout in
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class. And I'm not always, you know, doing the
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exact same thing as you, but there is something
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about going together at the same time, right?
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And it's about building that habit together.
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But, you know, if you're the person that has
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that habit and your spouse doesn't, like just
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be patient, pave the way, set the standard. You
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never know what that's planting in them. And
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then don't nag, but maybe be thinking about a
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friend that could invite them or someone else
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that could help them along in that journey. Oftentimes,
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those that are the very, very closest to us are
00:39:11.590 --> 00:39:14.289
the last person that can actually push for that
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in our lives. It has to be other people. outside
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of that that tell us those hard truths or that
00:39:19.889 --> 00:39:22.110
invite us to come along. It can't necessarily
00:39:22.110 --> 00:39:24.570
be our spouse. And so be thinking about people
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that can come alongside that person for you and
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to help walk them on that path. Or also like
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finding something that you as a family can do.
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We have lots of friends whose kiddos are playing
00:39:36.530 --> 00:39:38.889
pickleball with us, right? Because that's a family
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activity and they enjoy it and they want to do
00:39:41.250 --> 00:39:43.449
that. And then, you know, after we've all been
00:39:43.449 --> 00:39:45.250
playing for this period of time, those kids are
00:39:45.250 --> 00:39:48.199
better than the rest. right? But it's something
00:39:48.199 --> 00:39:50.179
that they enjoy and that they're good at. So
00:39:50.179 --> 00:39:52.480
finding something that you can do as a family
00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:54.500
together. We have friends that just started a
00:39:54.500 --> 00:39:56.820
self -defense class as a family, like practical,
00:39:56.880 --> 00:39:58.599
but also like something that they can work out
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and do together. So look for those ways that
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you can incorporate fitness into everybody in
00:40:03.800 --> 00:40:06.869
the whole family. Yeah, I can say that. When
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you joined me regularly, that was something that
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changed the dynamic for me and made it more enjoyable.
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It wasn't going to make me go more because I
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was already going every day. But for me, it was
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something that. was a shared experience with
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you. And I think helped build our relationship
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because we had that, like we talked about before
00:40:25.280 --> 00:40:27.760
in previous episodes about that shared experience,
00:40:27.920 --> 00:40:29.800
that shared suffering, like you touched on, like
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we were both super sore together or we went through
00:40:31.760 --> 00:40:33.900
that same experience. It's just something else
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to bond over and make your relationship stronger,
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which I think has huge benefits. So if there's
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a way that you can find movement with somebody
00:40:40.559 --> 00:40:43.079
that you love, perfect strangers are okay too.
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But if you can do that with somebody that you
00:40:45.340 --> 00:40:48.800
love, like a dear friend, one of your kids or...
00:40:48.809 --> 00:40:51.150
your spouse, I think there's a lot of benefits
00:40:51.150 --> 00:40:52.909
that can come out of that. So hope you found
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some practical steps of finding a way that you
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can. Find some movement without too much pressure
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and invest in your future you in a physical aspect.
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That always has mental benefits as well. Doing
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hard things physically does make it easier to
00:41:08.340 --> 00:41:11.079
do hard mental things too. So as always, thanks
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