ABOUT THIS EPISODE
Zvi Mowshowitz joins Prakash Narayanan and Nathan Labenz for a discussion of Dario Amodei’s warning about AI progress outrunning oversight. The episode covers AI doomerism, frontier pacing, bio risk, lab bottlenecks, the China race, Anthropic’s incentives, public trust, and what regulation or compromise could realistically look like.
Chapters
(0:00) AI labs are racing in fear.
(0:40) Opening and Dario's thesis
(1:48) Why Dario wants to slow AI
(3:23) Pacing the frontier
(8:41) Zvi's initial assessment
(14:55) AI bio risk
(24:15) Physical lab bottlenecks
(31:27) Scale and financial touchpoints
(41:22) The AI race
(47:13) Anthropic IPO incentives
(52:59) A possible US-China deal
(1:04:04) Physical proof and trust
(1:11:48) What China gets
(1:22:09) Power and government control
(1:29:29) Rogue institutions
(1:31:19) Measuring AI pacing
(1:40:34) Model progress accelerates
(1:51:04) Public trust and polarization
(1:55:19) Open-source compromise
Guests
Zvi Mowshowitz — Writer, Don't Worry About the Vase (𝕏)
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