Andy Mant┃Modern Life vs. Your Biology: How to Take Back Control of Your Health

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We're living in an environment where we're not connected to
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the Earth's magnetic field anymore. We're living in an environment
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where we're connected to Wi-Fi radio frequencies, 5G, 4G, which
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is interrupting our biology.
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We're living in environments that are polluted.
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Heavily polluted, if you're living in a major city, which
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is very different to the natural environment that our bodies
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are used to.
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What if optimizing your health isn't about doing more biohacks,
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but becoming more intentional about the signals you're giving your
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body every day? Today, I sit down with wellness technology
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entrepreneur and Bond Charge founder, Andy Mant, for a fascinating
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conversation about light, sleep, recovery, longevity, and the future of
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personalized wellness. Andy explains why he believes modern life has
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created a growing mismatch between our biology and our environment,
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and how everything from artificial light to our always-on lifestyles
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can interfere with the natural rhythms our bodies rely on.
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We explore why morning sunlight remains one of his favorite
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health practices despite building a company around advanced wellness technology,
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why recovery may be just as important as performance, and
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how to tell the difference between real innovation and marketing
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hype in the exploding biohacking industry. Andy also shares how
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AI and wearable data could make wellness increasingly personalized while
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warning us not to outsource our judgment to technology. And
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perhaps most importantly, he explains why longevity doesn't require chasing
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every new trend.
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Keep it simple. Know why you're doing what you're doing.
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And prioritize consistency over constant optimization. Andy Mett, welcome to
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the Rack of Responsibility podcast.
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Thank you so much for having me on. I'm super
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excited to talk to you and your audience.
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Oh, really happy to have you.
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And I'm really fascinated with your work and a big
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interest area of mine right now at the whole world
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of the technology side of biohacking and how that interfaces
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with the body-mind, personal evolution, personal growth and healing work
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and so forth that HeartMind's all about and that I've
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been involved with for most of my life. And I
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So it's fascinating what's becoming possible, and you've done some
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really interesting work. So I'm going to share your bio
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with our audience so they can be familiar with who
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you are and your work a little bit, and then
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we'll jump right in.
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Sound good?
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Sounds amazing.
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Okay.
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So Andy Mann is a global leader in the wellness
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technology industry, known for building Boncharge into a multimillion-dollar direct-to-consumer
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brand focused on red light therapy, PEMF, circadian lighting, and
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other cutting-edge wellness technology targeting longevity. With a personal and
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professional journey deeply rooted in performance optimization, mitochondrial health, and innovation,
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Annie brings easy-to-understand science-backed insights under the principle that modern
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life disrupts biology. Bond Charge restores it. Whether speaking with
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High performance entrepreneurs, biohackers or skeptics. And he brings energy,
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contrarian thinking and tactical takeaways that stick with audiences long
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after the conversation ends.
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Great.
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I love contrarian thinking. So we like to start our
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conversations off a little bit of a personal note. So
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I'm sure there's a personal story behind your entry into
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the wellness industry and particularly your interest in mitochondrial health
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and then establishing Bon Charge and the work you've done.
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So what inspired you to move into this field?
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Yeah, I think it all began for me maybe four
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or five years before Bon Charge started. I was very
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much in the conventional way of thinking when it came
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to dieting, actually, something a little bit far away, but
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still relatively close to light and health.
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But I.
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Used to follow.
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Diets that were basically prescribed, like low fat, exercise more,
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eat less, and none of it ever worked for me.
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And I got quite overweight, and I had quite a
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few health issues kidney stones. I'd have my appendix out.
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I was always sick. And this was in my mid-20s.
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And I decided to start thinking a little bit more
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for myself and outside the box and actually reading what
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scientific literature was telling me about various protocols that I
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could use to improve my health and weight. And I
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stumbled back then across a ketogenic diet. And I adopted that.
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Long story short, lost a lot of weight. regained my health.
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And that was a brilliant phase of my life that
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got me to think critically on how to look for
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information that would benefit myself from sort of a cellular
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level and then put that into my life rather than
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just sort of blindly leading what people were telling me
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to do. And I always advocate for that and always
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have done. since that inception point that people should always
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think for themselves and do what's best for them because
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what one person does may not be right for the other. Now,
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after I lost a lot of weight and got into
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a really good shape from a health standpoint, I started
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to think to myself, well, I'm on this sort of
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optimization train now of like, well, if I can do
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this for my weight and my wellbeing, what can I
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do to improve other things in my life and a
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big thing that I was struggling with even before and
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after I lost a lot of weight was my sleep
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and I just was not sleeping well I was getting
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up in the night constantly I couldn't fall asleep I
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was waking up feeling really tired I was really wired
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before bed it was all sort of not working well
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for me so I started to think to myself well
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how can I sleep better you know that the conventional
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wisdom was spray some lavender spray on your pillow and
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you know just kind of wind down before bed and
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that was it. And it didn't really do much for
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me at all. And then I discovered that light plays
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a very significant role in our biological systems. And we
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can come on and talk a little bit more about
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that in more detail later should the conversation divert that way.
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But in a nutshell, exposing myself to the wrong frequencies
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of light before bed was tricking my brain into telling
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me it was daytime and I didn't need to produce
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sleep hormone to sleep properly. And when I fixed the
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light in my environment and removed the negative effects of
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blue light specifically before bed, and I did that through
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blue light glasses and down the line circadian friendly lighting,
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I discovered my sleep was a lot better. And what
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led me to create Bon Charge was The first product
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we released was blue light blocking glasses because the ones
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I was trying that I got from Amazon, we ran
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them through spectrometers and we wanted to match them with
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what the optimal banding of light is to block to
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improve sleep from what the scientific literature was saying. And
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none of them did this. So we wanted to take
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a product that was already in existence and optimized it
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based on the latest science. And that's what led us
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into launching Bond Charge with these blue light blocking glasses
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that really optimize sleep. But then we started to think
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to ourselves, well, what could we do involving light that
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can help us even further? So we knew that the
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light bulbs in our house were emitting the wrong types
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of light. So we brought out light bulbs that put
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the correct sleep-friendly light into your environment after dark. We
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then understood that there were therapeutic wavelengths of red and
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near-infrared light that could help with bone healing and muscle
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and joint pain So we bought out red light therapy.
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And then as time went on, we looked at infrared
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light for infrared saunas, post electromagnetic field therapy, which is
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another form of electromagnetic frequency that's beneficial for health. And
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that led us to become this sort of overall holistic
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evidence-backed wellness brand that brought tech to the market that
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actually did what the science was saying.
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Wow. Amazing.
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So, yeah, I'd like to, uh, there's so much there
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to explore. Um, So before we get more in depth
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into technology, just kind of stepping back for a moment,
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I know your work is grounded around the idea that
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modern life as it is, and probably that's exacerbated by
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a lot of modern technology, interrupts our biology, interrupts the
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natural cycles and healthy function of our biology. And so
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I wonder if you could talk a little bit about that,
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because then we can start talking about the various modalities
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you've employed for intervening in that. But let's talk about
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the problem to begin with.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Otherwise, it just becomes a product that no one knows
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why they're using it and the backstory. And I think
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that's very important when it comes to how we operate
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as humans. And we've evolved for thousands, hundreds of thousands,
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millions of years. through primary zeitberg as being through light
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temperature basically the natural environment giving cues to our body
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to release certain hormones and neurotransmitters for us to optimize
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and uh and basically operate optimally and function properly so
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you know back in You know, even even as much
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as hundreds of years ago, we would have got up
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with the sunrise. We would have been outside a lot.
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We would have seen the sunset. We wouldn't have had
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artificial lighting in the house. It would have been candlelight.
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and our hormones would have been in in sync with
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the environment now evolutionary evolutionary change takes you know thousands
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hundreds of thousands millions of years so we still got
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that same internal biological system that our ancestors had many
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thousands of years ago but what's happened is cultural and
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technological evolution has sped up at such a rapid rate
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that we're living in this alien world that has different
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cues that are interrupting our natural biological systems. So for instance,
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where we used to get up with the sunrise in
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the morning, we're now switching on an artificial light in
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our house, which is a very different biological cue that
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that gives our body as opposed to the rising sun
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because of the spectral difference we're living in an environment
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where we're not connected to the earth's magnetic field anymore
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we're living in an environment where we're connected to wi-fi
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radio frequencies 5g 4g which is interrupting our biology we're
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living in environments that are polluted heavily polluted if you're
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living in a major city which is very different to
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the natural environment that our bodies are used to The
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food we're putting into our bodies has gone through high
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levels of processing. Ancestrally, the environment that produced it would
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have been organic, pesticide-free, and it would have been much
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more in harmony.
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With our biology.
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And our water has also changed as well. We're now
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drinking water that is ultimately dead. It's basically stagnated. All
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the nutrients have been stripped out of it, chemicals put
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into it, whereas our body... historically would have been an
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environment where we would have drunk flowing water which would
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have been much better for our cells and mitochondria so
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the way we have two options to fight this this
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environmental mismatch between our biology right we got one where
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we can go and we can live in a cave
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in the middle of the mountain somewhere i don't know
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like you know maybe the himalayas in india and we
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can be there and we can live in harmony with
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our biology but Not many people want to do that.
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So including myself, I love the technology. We're having a
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conversation now via internet signals, which is not natural for
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our body. It's probably not good for our body. But
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we can put things in place that manage the environment
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that we're in and make it more compatible to our biology.
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For instance, without going into too much detail on each,
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we can put blue light filters on our laptop screens
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to stop the mismatch of light entering our ecosystems. After
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we finish this call, we can go outside and get
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natural light into our eyes and our body to re-sync
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the hormonal efficacy of our biological system. We can make
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sure that we're not using Wi-Fi when we're speaking to
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each other. We can plug into an Ethernet cable so
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we're not disrupting the frequencies coming into our body. So
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there's lots of different ways that we can now manage
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our environment through one of a better word biohacking. And
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this is where Boncharge comes in. Our products restore the
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biology through making the environment appear more ancestral to our,
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our biological systems.
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So again, just before we kind of dive, I think
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a deeper dive into some of the technology. Um, so, um,
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at HeartMind, um, What we're really about is helping people
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come home to the body and really reclaim the territory
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of our own body and in process of coming home
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to the body, develop capacities for self-regulation and then co-regulation
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with others and being able to drop into the depth
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of our being where we can discover that fundamentally we're
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not broken, we don't need fixing, we have this innate wisdom,
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innate intelligence. Our biology is this amazing magical phenomena, right?
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The most complex system in the known universe, and it
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works quite beautifully under normal conditions. And also the principle
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of what I call radical responsibility, which is the name
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of my book and the name of this podcast. So
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this is the idea of taking really radical ownership for
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our lives, not in any way, shape, or form is
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to be involved in self-blame.
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Not at all.
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Certainly not blaming others or circumstances, not blaming victims, but
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simply embracing choice, right? That the choices I'm making right
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now are influencing how I'm going to show up in life,
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how life's going to show up for me. It's going
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to influence my destiny right now. And that's the one
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place where we really have some power. So, you know,
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a lot of this could be a matter of life.
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hearing all about this kind of information. Oh, there's all
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this stuff that's bad for you. And you know, I mean,
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it just seems like we're surrounded by everything that's bad
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for us, right? And more, you know, we live in
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a big city, even worse than all the kind of
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pollution you talked about, the light pollution, the pollution.
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kind of victimized by the whole thing, you know, either
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want to run off to a cave in Himalayas or
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just sit and feel, you know, victimized by it all.
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grow up in the culture and go along with the
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way maybe your parents are living and eating and just
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the way this it's a school system you go to
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i mean everything's there to just encourage you if you
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kind of go along and get along to be in
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a pretty unhealthy lifestyle right and then you can wake
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up one day and you find that you have some
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of the health problems like you were experiencing right and
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like yeah Why did this happen to me? I mean,
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it's pretty easy to feel victimized by it. So how
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can we make that shift into ownership and realize, okay,
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this is modern life as it is. The technology is
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not going away. We're not going to go back to
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candlelight and kerosene lanterns, which have their own problems.
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Embrace optimizing my ability to thrive in this current environment
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that we're in? So I wonder if you could talk
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about making that shift, and if that was kind of
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part of it for you. I mean, as I heard
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you talking about, you know, learning to think for yourself, right,
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in terms of your own health. You know, we did
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a kind of a podcast show about six months ago
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with Mind Medicine Australia, another organization there in Australia where
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you live. We called it becoming your own chief medical officer.
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take responsibility for directing our own health in terms of
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how we interface with the medical system, as well as
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whatever we're doing personally. So I wonder if you could
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just talk a little bit about that sense of the
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possibilities in taking ownership, given everything we're facing, that we
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don't need to be victimized by that or by our
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own conditioning, but we can actually we can make a
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difference if we'll step into really embracing that kind of ownership.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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I mean, there's, there's two ways to go about it.
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I guess the way I went about it was more
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reactive to a situation I was in. I had, you know, you, you,
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you summarized it really well just a minute ago when
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you said you can wake up one day and your
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circumstances aren't beneficial for yourself.
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And this is exactly what I, I'm about to say
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leads to the point of where I got into. When
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you're doing something, you don't know the harm it's doing
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until it harms you sometimes. Now, diet was one of those.
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You can eat a crappy diet every single day. And,
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you know, in your teenage years, like for me, wasn't
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really much of an issue.
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I was playing sport. It wasn't a problem.
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When I stopped playing sport and carried on eating the
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rubbish food, I started to get health issues. And that
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spurred me on to seek out advice. And I guess
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what's inherent, I guess, in my sort of personality or
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people in their 20s is you typically get your information
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from authoritative figures like university when I went there, from school,
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from parents. And that's where the logical place to look
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is and was for me to start with. Like, what
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are the government saying? How do I lose weight?
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What is, you know.
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you know the government health line channel say about losing
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losing the weight and i tried all those and it
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didn't work um and then it was kind of just
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something that came to me was enough's enough like i
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need to start questioning everything and for me it was
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surrounding myself with people that were questioning mainstream advice and
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like back in the day when i was in my
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20s it was more through internet forums and listening to
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what people were saying they were saying you know it
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get rid of carbohydrates and just eat fat and protein.
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And I was like, what? That's like, goes against everything.
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Fat's bad.
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It's going to cause high cholesterol and give me a
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heart attack in five years. Um, and then I was,
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I was just like really interested in the science behind that. Well,
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what are the studies saying? And when you start looking
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at it, that wasn't the case. So I was like, well,
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let's give it a go. Let's, let's try it. And
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I was inquisitive and Once you start going down the
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rabbit hole and finding that one thing that takes you
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down the rabbit hole, it starts opening and expanding all
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other possibilities of like, wow, if I do things myself,
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I can get the results I want. And that is
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true for everything in life, whether it be your career,
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whether it be your health, whether it be whatever you
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want to bring into and welcome into your life.
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But I guess the other way.
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to doing it, which a lot of people are starting
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to do now, is they're not waiting for that moment
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to be reactive to something, that horrible moment where I'm
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ill every week and I now need to figure out
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what to do. They're learning from the stories of others
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and being able to really take on board you know, well,
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I don't want this to happen to me. So I'm
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going to take action now. So I think the best
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way to do a mindset shift on that perspective is
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really critique and look at everything as in with untrustworthy eyes.
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I don't often like to lead with a negative, but
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Trust no one. Don't trust what I'm saying. Don't trust what,
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you know, a doctor's telling you. Don't trust what, you know,
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someone on the news is telling you or whatever it
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may be. Take that information, process it and think to yourself,
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does this make sense to me? Is it logical to
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do this? You know, when people are saying things like,
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let me give you an example. Don't go out in
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the sun because you'll get skin cancer.
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Think to yourself, is that logical? Would ancestrally would my
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body be better off being inside a building with artificial
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light rather than in the sun and start to question
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it start to look at the reasons what are other
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people saying about this what's the antithesis of what these
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people are saying what is the opposite.
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looking to improve something in my health whatever the mainstream
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is telling you to do you're better off doing the opposite.
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situations where you'll need to do your own research and
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start to delve deeper But more often than not, what
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you're told by the mainstream is contradictory to what you
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should be doing. You should be outside in the sunlight.
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should be eating organic food. You shouldn't fear fat or
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saturated fat.
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The opposite is.
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Inherently the correct thing to do. But it's hard to
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make that shift because... we've trusted people for so long
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and if you're in a if you're in a situation
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where you've trusted what the authorities have told you to
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do for so many years and you're in a good
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space and your health is amazing and you're physically active
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and you're fit and your mind is great you haven't
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got any anxiety or depression or any kind of modern
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metabolic dysfunctions keep doing what you're doing because it's working
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for you but i would say 90 of people that
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follow those guidelines are are probably not in a good
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space with what I've just just mentioned there and I
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have one or more of those conditions at which point
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you need to stop and question what you're doing and
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it's it's that moment that when you start to then
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go okay this is overwhelming I've got to change my
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entire life and this is going to be difficult that
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you stop and you think to yourself okay this is
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a journey this is not something that we're going to
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do as a trend or a fad this is going
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to be life-changing and we're going to change our lives
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for the better and it might be one thing It
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might be, okay, well, I'm going to wear blue light
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blocking glasses. I'm going to watch the sunrise in the morning.
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I'm going to ground to the earth. I'm going to
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do breath work. I'm going to read a book and
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create parasympathetic time before I go to bed and see
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how you feel. And if it makes a positive change,
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keep it in your life. If it doesn't make any difference,
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drop it, move on to something else. But then what
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you'll find is over time and the years of doing this,
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you'll stack habit upon habit, and you'll generally and progressively
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start to compound in terms of the health and wellness
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benefits you'll.
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You'll receive.
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So yeah, it's, it's a, it's a marathon, not a
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sprint with, with these things, but that's kind of a
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roundabout way of saying the two ways of going about
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it in my mind.
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Yeah. It's so important what you're saying, Andy, I really
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encourage people to go back and replay that and listen
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to it several times. It just is so much there
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and it is so important. I remember years ago, And
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I think probably a lot of people have had this feeling,
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you know, because even in the mainstream, the information you
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hear about this is good for you, that's bad for you,
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it changes a lot, right? And so, you know, I
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would feel like just make up your mind so I
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know what to do. Will you guys make up your mind,
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tell me what to do so I know whether I
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can drink coffee or not, drink coffee, drink wine or not,
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drink wine, do this or not, you know, high fat diet,
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low fat diet, right? And back then it wasn't really,
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I was resenting the confusion and wanting them to clarify
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for me. rather than taking responsibility for, okay, I'm just
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going to have to figure this out myself.
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Fortunately, I made that shift a long time ago. But
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I think a lot of people are in that place.
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And so, you know, be what it may, we kind
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of wish there was some authority out there that would
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simplify life for us, but life doesn't work that way.
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And so I just really encourage people to go back
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and listen to what Andy just said with us several times.
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So given that, you know, the wellness technology industry has
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just exploded in recent.
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Years, right? And, you know, there's, yeah, I remember.
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One of my main parts of my life and profession
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is being a meditation teacher and a meditator. So I've
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been doing that for more than five decades. And And
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I remember when first there was some technology to assist
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with meditation, things like binaural beats and then various forms
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of neural feedback. And now there's a number of wearable
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devices and so forth. So there's all of that. There's
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all the things around light protection and blue light stuff.
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There's exposing ourselves to beneficial light, red light therapy. There's
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the infrared saunas, full spectrum infrared saunas. There's electromagnetic bio-energetic
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transmitters or so forth to expose ourselves to the right.
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I mean, there's just so much different stuff, right? I mean,
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if anybody really wants to get a sense of what's
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going on in that industry, I really recommend they go
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to Dave Asprey's Beyond Conference. I've been there the last
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several years in a row. And just the exhibition space
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is worth the price of admission, right? It's so amazing
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what's going on there, the whole world of supplements and
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all the different technologies.
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But it can be really confusing, right? It can be
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really confusing. Like anything... Like.
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You found with the blue light glasses you went out
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and tested, some of them weren't really doing what they
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said they were doing, right? So I know there's some
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really great companies in this space, and I'm sure there's
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some others that are a bit more exploitative. And so
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how does one begin to... you know, have some discernment
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around all this without going out and starting your own
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tech company and building your own products.
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That's a bit of a stretch. If somebody wants to
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do that, that's great, like you did.
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But other than that, how does one exercise some discernment
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about where to start, how to determine what are really
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beneficial products and what might be still kind of at
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the smoke and mirrors level?
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Yeah, absolutely. There's two types of company out there and
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how they're run when it comes to wellness tech.
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The first one is.
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The marketing company that just sees a trend or something
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doing well in an environment. They know nothing really about
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that technology and they just think, right, we can just
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make a quick buck of this and move on to
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the next thing. And they're difficult to spot because they
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know how to market, so they know how to get
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into you psychologically. The second form of company is the
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ones that care about the science and they're there to
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actually help people, right? And they're the ones you want
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to be buying from. And like you rightly said, there's
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a lot of them out there, which is good. Probably
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on a par with the amount of not so good
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ones out there, but you don't want to buy something
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that's wrong because otherwise you're going to buy the blue
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light glasses that don't work. You're going to buy the
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red light therapy that doesn't have the correct frequencies or
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the PMF that's not oscillating enough megahertz to to be
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able to have an impact on our mitochondria. Now, I
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guess the best way to go about it is you
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don't want to be comparing on price. I think that's
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just nonsense. You can buy something cheap and it'd be
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as good as something really expensive or you can buy
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something mid-range and it'd be absolutely terrible or something expensive
519
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and it's terrible or cheap or.
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Whatever it may be.
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What you've got to look at is look at the
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infrastructure behind the company that you're purchasing from. For instance,
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you'll want to look at a company that infuses science
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within their products. And what has happened in the industry
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over the last five or six years is everyone just goes,
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we sell science-backed products.
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What does that even mean anymore?
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We don't even know. It's been used so much in
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the wellness industry that it's kind of lost meaning. So
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look for the companies that actually can back that up.
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Have they got independent testing? Have they done their own
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clinical trials and studies? Do they have a scientific advisory
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board of PhDs that are contributing to product development and
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how we come across within the market? Do they house
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in-house PhDs relevant to the product development within their company
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as well? And are they very transparent with data sources?
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their website and product pages are they showing you the
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spectral reports are they showing you the data are they
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showing you the user reported benefits and then you can
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start to differentiate between the two the marketing ones would
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just be a whole lot of you know this is
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going to be amazing for you buy this you know
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a lot of like oh better get that now here's
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a deal go and buy it whereas the ones that
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infuse true science will have all of the above of
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what I'm saying.
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And I think.
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That's probably where you want to start. Because if I
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start going too deep into like, right, you need this wavelength.
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It needs to block this. It becomes very difficult to ascertain.
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And what you find is a lot of the products
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out there do operate in a similar way. in terms
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of they have the basic fundamentals of, yes, it's this
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frequency of light we need to block, or it's this
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frequency of light and red light therapy that we need.
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But then it goes deeper into like intensities or radiances,
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and then it gets more complicated for the users. Now,
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you want to find a company that removes all of
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that stress for you, which is when the scientific advisory board,
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the PhDs, they're being transparent with clinical trials and, and
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test reports on the website is fundamental. If it's not there,
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then I would not consider purchasing.
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It's very helpful. So as.
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You know, most of us don't get motivated to do
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something about our health and lifestyle until we're having some
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struggles with it, right? I mean, most of us went
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through our teenage years, we ate whatever we wanted, did
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whatever we wanted, and.
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We didn't realize many negative effects, right? But as we
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get older.
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we start to see some symptoms and our whole medical
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and healthcare system, some people call it the sick care system,
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is focused on symptomology and addressing symptoms and in some
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cases correcting symptoms. But I know your approach is about
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fundamentally restoring our biology. So I wonder if you could
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talk about that difference between because even using some of
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these current wellness technologies, somebody might be suffering with something.
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I'm going to try this and expect it's going to
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get rid of my symptoms right away. That's mostly what
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we want is I want to get rid. I'm having
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these uncomfortable systems, symptoms, get rid of them for me.
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Right.
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And it's a little deeper approach and maybe a little
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more longer-term approach, I would think, to think about actually
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restoring our biology to its optimal functionality.
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00:31:46.170 --> 00:31:48.529
Yeah, and I think there's two ways to use the products, right?
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Red light therapy is a prime example. You can use
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it if you've got muscle and joint pain, and that
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will relieve the symptoms and help you get better quickly,
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which is fantastic. But then there's people in the longevity
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community that utilize red light therapy. And I'll just use
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it as an example because it's the easiest one to
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explain as preventative.
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Treatments.
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So let me explain how that works. We have mitochondria
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in our cells and they're the battery power of our
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cellular system. They create energy. Ultimately, we feed feed them water, food, light,
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and they will go through a four-stage process, for want
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of a better word, and they will produce ATP, which
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is energy.
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Now, if we feed that.
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System the wrong fuel, so a rubbishy diet, rubbish water,
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the wrong light, the efficiency of that energy system is
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going to deteriorate. Think of it as putting the wrong
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fuel in the car. You put the wrong fuel in
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and it will function, but it will conk out eventually
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very quickly. And that's what will happen to your cells.
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If you're feeding it the wrong things, over time of
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not performing optimally, you'll lead on to having metabolic issues
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in your life. That could be personified in a bad knee,
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a bad hip, anxiety, stress, depression, whatever it may be metabolically.
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It could lead to something like that with other circumstances
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coming into play. So when you start putting in mitochondrial
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optimization strategies like utilizing red light therapy, for instance, that
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makes sure that the most optimal light is entering that
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energy production system. So you're putting like the premium gasoline
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in your in your car here. So your energy output
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is more efficient. And when your energy output is more efficient,
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you're less likely to suffer from metabolic issues as you age.
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So you start to age well, rather than just aging poorly,
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where you get older and older and start getting more
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and more ailments. But you can't do this in isolation.
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You have to Look at preventative modalities as not just
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wellness tech. Wellness tech is fantastic because it puts light
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into the system in its correct or therapeutic wavelengths to
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00:34:22.440 --> 00:34:26.349
optimize your energy output. But you also need the correct water.
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You shouldn't be drinking tap water.
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It should be filtered.
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It should be reversed osmosis with remineralization in it. You
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should be eating the correct food. And the correct food
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is simply organic, fresh, whole foods. And when that system
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then is fully optimized from all the different pillars, you're
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going to have less likely negative outcomes from your metabolic
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health as you age. Now, it goes another step further
635
00:34:52.940 --> 00:34:55.510
as well on the preventative side that, yes, that's brilliant
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00:34:55.530 --> 00:34:59.449
because that looks after you physically, wellness, tech, food, water,
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whatever else it may be. But from a mental health
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standpoint as well, you've got to look after that side.
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And I know you talk about that a lot as
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as well and it's super important you can't just come
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on and say that you know light is the primary
642
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thing you need to do food is primary water is
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from it all feeds into the same system and preventative
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happens on the mental health side as well you need
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to take time to enter that parasympathetic time you need
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to be able to meditate breath work all those things
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that lead into a healthier mind because a healthy body
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00:35:29.300 --> 00:35:32.099
without a healthy mind is is obviously no good to
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anyone so those are the two ways you can use
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you can use it to treat the ailments or you
651
00:35:37.610 --> 00:35:40.289
can use it to prevent them. And red light therapy
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00:35:40.329 --> 00:35:42.489
is great for that. PMF is great for that. Blue
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light blocking is great.
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For that as well.
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So yeah, it's just incorporating it into your everyday wellness
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practices to set yourself up to age well.
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What if transformation isn't just about thinking differently, but feeling differently?
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talk about transformation really begins with awareness.
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And so....
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We may find ourselves in a health crisis of some
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kind that's going to motivate us to create change in
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our lives. So that's an immediate awareness. It's been subtle
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for a long time.
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It's no longer subtle.
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It's like hitting us in the head, like, wake up,
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00:37:42.800 --> 00:37:45.519
you got to do something here, right? But other than that,
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00:37:46.389 --> 00:37:48.510
if people aren't in that kind of health crisis, the
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signals can be subtle. And then when we start doing
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a number of the right things, like you were talking about,
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some of the helpful things, using the wellness technology, just
689
00:37:58.900 --> 00:38:01.690
common sense stuff to help us sleep better, exercise, eating
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better food, various body-mind technologies, meditation, breathwork, and so forth,
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the changes can be subtle over time. We often hear
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stories from people about dramatic change and curing cancer and
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things like that. And of course, these things happen. But
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often for a lot of us, as we start engaging
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in changing our lifestyle and developing some positive habits around
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a lot of the things we're talking about here, The
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00:38:31.829 --> 00:38:36.050
changes are subtle. So how do we work with that
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and keep up our confidence and the momentum.
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And get a sense?
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Because a lot of these things, sometimes we might be
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using a number of different modalities and technologies. We don't
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really know exactly, oh, that one thing is making this difference, right?
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Because I ate that food today, I'm feeling X, right?
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00:38:58.260 --> 00:38:59.980
So there's some.
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there's some kind of way.
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That we need to work with developing our confidence and
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developing our own lifestyle, our own path, and it really
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is improving our health.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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It's very difficult when changes are subtle and slow to
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stay the course. And a good example is when you
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00:39:18.469 --> 00:39:22.510
invest money, right? You invest for the long term, knowing
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that over 30 years, your money will compound, the interest
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will compound. And at the end of it, you've got
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this massive pot and you've got, Jen, wealth to hand down.
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Or you've looked after yourself in your retirement years. And
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the same is true with health. Because if you look
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at your bank balance after investing after.
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A year or two years.
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It's not materially going to look like much, but the
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hard work is being done for that money straight away
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that will allow for 20, 30 years time for it
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to flourish in its most spectacular way. And the same
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is true with health. What you're doing now is going
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to compound over the more times you do it. And
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you've got to have faith in that, that it's going
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to work. And I think what a lot of people
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are scared of is well, what if I'm on the
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00:40:14.329 --> 00:40:17.309
wrong path and I do this for 30 years and
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it's going to do nothing? And I've, you know, another
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study will come out to say that, oh, actually artificial
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light's great for you or whatever it may be. You've
733
00:40:25.239 --> 00:40:28.980
kind of just got to make sure that whatever you're
734
00:40:29.039 --> 00:40:35.269
doing when it comes to health, both physically for your
735
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body and mentally as.
736
00:40:36.570 --> 00:40:36.949
Well is.
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Would my ancestors thousands of years ago have benefited from this?
738
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You know, the meditation, the mindfulness, the correct light exposure.
739
00:40:47.940 --> 00:40:51.409
Would my body thousands of years ago have received this
740
00:40:51.510 --> 00:40:54.420
type of um input and if the answer is yes
741
00:40:54.440 --> 00:40:56.539
then it's most likely going to be good for you
742
00:40:56.579 --> 00:41:00.219
if it's whole foods if it's natural light um if
743
00:41:00.260 --> 00:41:02.940
it's mindfulness away in nature it's it's most likely going
744
00:41:02.960 --> 00:41:04.400
to be good for you i don't think you need
745
00:41:04.440 --> 00:41:08.239
studies to to prove that has been multiple thousands out
746
00:41:08.280 --> 00:41:10.360
there to be fair across all the things i've just
747
00:41:10.420 --> 00:41:13.280
mentioned that show that forest bathing is great for your
748
00:41:13.320 --> 00:41:16.780
mental health and being out in in daylight uh when
749
00:41:16.800 --> 00:41:18.860
the sun is shining is great for vitamin D and
750
00:41:18.880 --> 00:41:25.219
serotonin and dopamine production. So it compounds over time and
751
00:41:25.239 --> 00:41:27.570
you've just got to stay the course. And I'll push
752
00:41:27.610 --> 00:41:31.909
back a little bit in saying that some changes are
753
00:41:31.989 --> 00:41:36.030
going to be noticeable quicker for people than others, depending
754
00:41:36.110 --> 00:41:41.030
on your style of life currently. Like for instance, if
755
00:41:41.110 --> 00:41:45.940
you are majorly struggling with insomnia and you're watching TV
756
00:41:45.980 --> 00:41:48.679
without blue light blocking glasses two to three hours before
757
00:41:48.760 --> 00:41:52.969
bed and barely going outside, I would argue to say
758
00:41:53.010 --> 00:41:56.329
that go outside and watch the sunrise for a week
759
00:41:56.849 --> 00:41:59.530
every morning without fail, set your alarm and wear red lens,
760
00:41:59.550 --> 00:42:03.329
blue light blocking glasses three hours before bed. There will
761
00:42:03.349 --> 00:42:05.809
be significant improvements straight away because they're further along on
762
00:42:05.849 --> 00:42:09.929
the spectrum of, you know, their current health being really
763
00:42:09.989 --> 00:42:15.889
poor and the improvements being more. But as one starts
764
00:42:16.010 --> 00:42:20.639
to become healthier, the changes are going to be more subtle.
765
00:42:21.530 --> 00:42:25.559
Like weight loss, right? You know, you're 50 pounds overweight.
766
00:42:25.699 --> 00:42:27.980
The first sort of six to eight weeks, you're going
767
00:42:28.000 --> 00:42:29.460
to lose a lot of weight and then it will
768
00:42:29.559 --> 00:42:32.699
stall and it will be smaller increments as you go down.
769
00:42:32.739 --> 00:42:35.519
And the same is true for health as you start
770
00:42:35.559 --> 00:42:38.619
to optimize your if you're already on the optimal train
771
00:42:38.639 --> 00:42:41.139
and you're already a 9 out of 10, those extra
772
00:42:41.159 --> 00:42:43.800
gains to get to 10 are going to be more
773
00:42:43.860 --> 00:42:47.219
subtle and more difficult to fill. But I would imagine
774
00:42:47.239 --> 00:42:50.079
that the majority of people that are looking to improve
775
00:42:50.099 --> 00:42:53.320
their health and well-being will probably be at a sort
776
00:42:53.340 --> 00:42:55.920
of 1 to 5 on the scale where they start
777
00:42:55.940 --> 00:42:59.340
to notice that if they align their circadian rhythm correctly
778
00:42:59.400 --> 00:43:02.280
by watching the sunrise and wearing blue light blocking glasses,
779
00:43:02.659 --> 00:43:05.480
they're going to notice that pretty quickly. If they are
780
00:43:06.489 --> 00:43:09.670
eating a high processed food diet and they switch to
781
00:43:09.750 --> 00:43:13.059
organic fresh whole food they will feel a lot better
782
00:43:13.179 --> 00:43:17.139
quickly but that will be to a certain point you'll
783
00:43:17.159 --> 00:43:19.639
hit the point where wow i feel great on a
784
00:43:19.679 --> 00:43:22.739
whole food diet and i feel great optimizing my sleep
785
00:43:22.780 --> 00:43:25.530
hygiene but then it will cap out of like okay
786
00:43:25.550 --> 00:43:28.010
well that's that's my baseline now and then you've got
787
00:43:28.030 --> 00:43:29.570
to look at well what else can i do to
788
00:43:30.670 --> 00:43:34.809
to compound on those um on those early results and
789
00:43:34.849 --> 00:43:38.360
it might be breath work or meditation before bed it
790
00:43:38.409 --> 00:43:41.829
might be a a room temperature set to a certain
791
00:43:42.349 --> 00:43:47.050
um a certain coolness um it might be sleep masks
792
00:43:47.170 --> 00:43:50.010
earplugs things like that you start compounding on it um
793
00:43:50.349 --> 00:43:52.130
but i think a lot of people will see initial
794
00:43:52.150 --> 00:43:55.650
change fairly quickly um and then it's just ensuring that
795
00:43:55.670 --> 00:43:58.309
you continue to do that throughout your life so you
796
00:43:58.349 --> 00:44:01.289
know that you know if you keep the faith with
797
00:44:01.349 --> 00:44:04.269
that that it will compound over time and when you're
798
00:44:04.309 --> 00:44:07.530
in your 80s 90s you'll be you know, living like
799
00:44:07.550 --> 00:44:09.110
the people in the blue zones, you'll be able to
800
00:44:09.150 --> 00:44:11.610
walk to the shops, play with the great grandkids and
801
00:44:11.829 --> 00:44:13.909
just have a really good quality of life.
802
00:44:15.420 --> 00:44:15.679
Yeah.
803
00:44:15.699 --> 00:44:18.619
I love the analogy of the compounding interest in the
804
00:44:18.639 --> 00:44:19.420
world of investing.
805
00:44:19.460 --> 00:44:20.460
That makes a lot of sense.
806
00:44:21.099 --> 00:44:26.510
So, um, You know, I think some people are motivated
807
00:44:26.590 --> 00:44:32.539
to become interested in wellness technology and various wellness approaches
808
00:44:33.260 --> 00:44:36.840
because they're suffering in some way, right? It's either physical
809
00:44:36.880 --> 00:44:40.260
maladies or overwhelming anxiety and stress and so forth.
810
00:44:40.829 --> 00:44:42.010
And others are interested.
811
00:44:42.829 --> 00:44:45.210
They just, you know, are doing pretty well, but really
812
00:44:45.250 --> 00:44:47.989
want to optimize their health, right? They're interested in how
813
00:44:48.030 --> 00:44:51.039
healthy can I be? And then a lot of people
814
00:44:51.119 --> 00:44:53.909
also are attracted because they want to optimize their performance.
815
00:44:53.949 --> 00:44:56.460
So I think there's a lot of high performers. maybe
816
00:44:56.500 --> 00:44:59.199
even a lot of so-called type A's that get attracted
817
00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:04.750
into the biohacking and space and so forth. And that
818
00:45:04.789 --> 00:45:07.630
can have its own issues, right? Of pushing too hard,
819
00:45:08.250 --> 00:45:12.260
of getting just more anxiety about all these different things
820
00:45:12.300 --> 00:45:14.480
that I could do and be doing and measuring myself
821
00:45:14.559 --> 00:45:18.320
and all that. And what I think sometimes we forget
822
00:45:18.360 --> 00:45:19.760
about is the need for recovery.
823
00:45:19.800 --> 00:45:22.840
So I'm wondering if you could talk about that balance between....
824
00:45:23.920 --> 00:45:26.329
Efforts we can make to really, you know, for instance,
825
00:45:26.349 --> 00:45:30.510
really being high performance, whether it's physically, athletically, or it's
826
00:45:30.929 --> 00:45:33.989
in our profession and business, or just really optimizing our
827
00:45:34.010 --> 00:45:35.969
life to add as much value as I can to life.
828
00:45:36.010 --> 00:45:38.380
But we're really seeing kind of like being all we
829
00:45:38.400 --> 00:45:41.400
can be or doing all we can do. But sometimes
830
00:45:41.440 --> 00:45:43.079
we forget about the need for recovery.
831
00:45:43.940 --> 00:45:44.539
Yeah, absolutely.
832
00:45:44.579 --> 00:45:46.280
Recovery is super important.
833
00:45:46.360 --> 00:45:51.179
Like gone are the days where we expected performance to
834
00:45:51.199 --> 00:45:54.719
be output after output after output, whether that be physically
835
00:45:55.199 --> 00:45:58.780
on a sport or a hobby, and even with work,
836
00:45:58.929 --> 00:46:03.110
because eventually it leads to burnout. The system is overloaded.
837
00:46:03.150 --> 00:46:07.230
You're running it too fast for too long. And recovery
838
00:46:07.250 --> 00:46:09.630
is super important. We work with a lot of athletes.
839
00:46:10.329 --> 00:46:13.309
Bon Charge is the official recovery partner for Fulham Football Club,
840
00:46:13.329 --> 00:46:16.630
who are a big Premier League soccer club here in London.
841
00:46:17.460 --> 00:46:21.239
And we work with their sports scientists and performance coaches to,
842
00:46:21.280 --> 00:46:23.760
to optimize recovery routines. And a lot of them are
843
00:46:23.800 --> 00:46:26.429
really into it anywhere and starting to wake up that
844
00:46:27.050 --> 00:46:31.610
how you perform is based on your recovery. If you like,
845
00:46:31.670 --> 00:46:35.750
I track everything I track with all my metrics and
846
00:46:35.789 --> 00:46:39.199
data points. And I know that if I go for,
847
00:46:39.480 --> 00:46:42.260
you know, six, seven mile run for the rest of
848
00:46:42.300 --> 00:46:45.059
the day, my heart rate will be elevated. And my,
849
00:46:46.739 --> 00:46:51.389
heart rate variability will will most likely drop which which
850
00:46:51.489 --> 00:46:54.170
is which is in the short term it's it's not
851
00:46:54.190 --> 00:46:56.929
a bad thing it's good because cardiovascularly it will keep
852
00:46:56.949 --> 00:47:01.349
me fitter and the next day my recovery will will
853
00:47:01.389 --> 00:47:04.829
be good if i do that same run again the
854
00:47:04.889 --> 00:47:07.699
next day my recovery will drop again and over time
855
00:47:07.760 --> 00:47:10.150
if i'm doing that same run every single day my
856
00:47:10.250 --> 00:47:14.130
heart rate continually elevated, my heart rate variability trends down,
857
00:47:14.429 --> 00:47:18.409
my ability to handle stress reduces, my sleep starts to
858
00:47:18.429 --> 00:47:22.429
get impacted, which then has a knock-on effect to me
859
00:47:22.489 --> 00:47:28.519
being able to perform optimally over the next amount of time.
860
00:47:29.219 --> 00:47:31.440
So it's super important to allow the body to rest
861
00:47:31.480 --> 00:47:36.900
and recover. It's much like what they say about weightlifting, right?
862
00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:40.670
You don't get your muscles by lifting weights in the gym.
863
00:47:40.690 --> 00:47:42.800
You get them by recovering. That's when they grow. You
864
00:47:42.840 --> 00:47:46.400
fuel them with the protein and you relax. And the
865
00:47:46.440 --> 00:47:51.300
body works in such a cyclical way when you start
866
00:47:51.360 --> 00:47:55.760
looking at it. And there are periods where the body
867
00:47:55.860 --> 00:48:00.869
needs to be active and needs to be producing. So
868
00:48:01.530 --> 00:48:05.630
for instance, during the day when there's blue light on you,
869
00:48:05.670 --> 00:48:09.449
your cells perform in a very different way in terms
870
00:48:09.610 --> 00:48:12.650
of how they function as opposed to when there isn't
871
00:48:12.710 --> 00:48:14.750
blue light presence. So when there isn't blue light present,
872
00:48:14.789 --> 00:48:18.190
the skin goes into a recovery mode, which is what's
873
00:48:18.250 --> 00:48:20.190
needed to restore any damage in.
874
00:48:20.170 --> 00:48:21.250
The cells, for instance.
875
00:48:21.769 --> 00:48:24.889
So if you're continually shining blue light on your cells,
876
00:48:25.570 --> 00:48:28.610
you are going to have periods of activity, but no
877
00:48:28.670 --> 00:48:31.610
periods of recovery. And the same is true when you're
878
00:48:31.630 --> 00:48:37.530
doing cardiovascular exercise or when you're doing lot of work
879
00:48:37.550 --> 00:48:39.750
you've got to have periods where you allow the body
880
00:48:39.789 --> 00:48:44.510
to recover to retort to basically refuel itself up to
881
00:48:44.570 --> 00:48:48.480
do the next um the next phase and if you
882
00:48:48.519 --> 00:48:53.940
just allow the body to just continually produce output without
883
00:48:53.980 --> 00:48:57.059
putting any input back into it you're going to have
884
00:48:57.179 --> 00:49:02.940
major injuries maybe health concerns as you go um go
885
00:49:02.980 --> 00:49:07.010
through life A lot of injuries are from overtraining, not
886
00:49:07.070 --> 00:49:11.019
allowing the body time to recover. But it's gone one
887
00:49:11.179 --> 00:49:13.980
step further now in terms of optimization of recovery. So
888
00:49:14.039 --> 00:49:16.429
people know that, okay, I'll run today and then I'll
889
00:49:16.469 --> 00:49:19.210
sit around and not run the next day and then
890
00:49:19.230 --> 00:49:22.110
I'll run again. It's gone a little bit further than that.
891
00:49:22.170 --> 00:49:25.449
Now it's gone down to a mitochondrial level where we're
892
00:49:25.530 --> 00:49:30.050
optimizing the amount of energy that we can produce optimally
893
00:49:30.139 --> 00:49:34.960
through the, um, uh, fruit through the mitochondria. And that's
894
00:49:35.000 --> 00:49:38.869
very much akin to, I guess you, you're, you're, hear
895
00:49:38.889 --> 00:49:42.059
me now, I love an analogy. It's like charging your phone, right?
896
00:49:44.039 --> 00:49:47.960
Gone are the days of just.
897
00:49:46.500 --> 00:49:47.760
Plugging it in, off you go.
898
00:49:47.780 --> 00:49:49.809
You want the type of electricity that goes into it,
899
00:49:49.860 --> 00:49:52.880
how often you charge it, when you need to charge it,
900
00:49:53.679 --> 00:49:57.710
all comes down to that. And I think recovery now
901
00:49:57.989 --> 00:50:02.190
is about optimizing those periods between the output that you
902
00:50:02.230 --> 00:50:04.329
want to do, whether it be with work or whether
903
00:50:04.369 --> 00:50:07.340
it be from a physical activity, to be able to
904
00:50:07.400 --> 00:50:09.960
mentally and physically prepare the body for, for the most
905
00:50:10.079 --> 00:50:12.619
optimal output when it, when it then becomes physical.
906
00:50:13.440 --> 00:50:16.420
So it's, it's super important. It really is.
907
00:50:16.519 --> 00:50:18.710
And those that neglect it find out the hard way
908
00:50:18.809 --> 00:50:22.929
over time when they suffer industry in, um, suffer injury
909
00:50:23.010 --> 00:50:27.789
from overperformance or they suffer depression, anxiety, or burnout from
910
00:50:27.829 --> 00:50:31.289
doing too much work without, um, focusing on the recovery aspect.
911
00:50:32.409 --> 00:50:32.889
Yeah, I know.
912
00:50:33.159 --> 00:50:36.500
Um, For years, I kind of leaned in a direction
913
00:50:36.599 --> 00:50:40.699
of sleeping less because you just get so much time back, right,
914
00:50:40.739 --> 00:50:43.980
to do things with. And there was a period around
915
00:50:44.039 --> 00:50:46.949
midlife when I was actually sleeping four or six hours
916
00:50:47.050 --> 00:50:49.420
a night and thought I was doing okay with it.
917
00:50:49.929 --> 00:50:51.750
Maybe I was. I don't know at that point.
918
00:50:52.090 --> 00:50:56.250
But I can't do that anymore, and I don't try
919
00:50:56.269 --> 00:50:58.909
to do that anymore. But I remember a few years
920
00:50:58.969 --> 00:51:03.239
ago reading how Roger Federer– one of the greatest tennis
921
00:51:03.280 --> 00:51:05.969
players ever, and then LeBron James, one of the greatest
922
00:51:05.989 --> 00:51:11.210
basketball players ever, for really for big games, big matches
923
00:51:11.289 --> 00:51:13.389
and so forth, they would sleep.
924
00:51:13.110 --> 00:51:14.949
An inordinate amount of hours.
925
00:51:15.210 --> 00:51:18.820
They would log in like 12, 14 hours of sleep
926
00:51:18.880 --> 00:51:23.260
sometimes to kind of charge themselves for optimal performance.
927
00:51:23.320 --> 00:51:25.340
And it's really got my attention, right?
928
00:51:25.719 --> 00:51:28.320
So I pay a lot of attention to my sleep
929
00:51:28.360 --> 00:51:32.900
today and really try to optimize my sleep because I
930
00:51:32.940 --> 00:51:35.389
realize that recovery is so important for me to be
931
00:51:35.429 --> 00:51:40.969
at my best and perform at my best. So let's
932
00:51:41.010 --> 00:51:43.510
just talk a little bit about... We're going to finish up.
933
00:51:43.530 --> 00:51:47.789
We're getting towards the end of our time, but we're
934
00:51:47.809 --> 00:51:49.889
going to finish up with a kind of lightning round
935
00:51:49.949 --> 00:51:51.690
of questions just to kind of pull some.
936
00:51:53.510 --> 00:51:57.250
Tidbits of wisdom and information from you because of the
937
00:51:57.309 --> 00:52:00.469
depth of your background and all this. But before that, well,
938
00:52:00.489 --> 00:52:04.989
a lot of this, when we think technology, AI also
939
00:52:05.050 --> 00:52:07.550
comes to mind because it seems to be changing everything
940
00:52:07.610 --> 00:52:10.849
very quickly. So what's your sense of the impact of
941
00:52:11.230 --> 00:52:15.429
AI on wellness technology and the wellness industry and just
942
00:52:15.469 --> 00:52:18.369
how we can use AI? I mean, AI can present
943
00:52:18.429 --> 00:52:20.909
its own challenges and it's creating a lot of anxiety
944
00:52:20.949 --> 00:52:22.849
for a lot of people because it's changing the world
945
00:52:22.889 --> 00:52:26.820
so quickly. But how can we use AI as an
946
00:52:26.920 --> 00:52:31.980
enhancement for developing our own really optimally healthy lifestyle?
947
00:52:32.920 --> 00:52:35.989
Yeah, I think AI is going to be good. for
948
00:52:36.269 --> 00:52:40.570
the whole n equals one kind of personalized medicine um
949
00:52:41.429 --> 00:52:48.489
preventative and and um and and non-preventative but um that's
950
00:52:48.570 --> 00:52:50.750
where that's where i think it's going to go i
951
00:52:50.929 --> 00:52:53.909
think it's going to allow people to dial into what
952
00:52:54.010 --> 00:52:56.550
works for them and i think ai is being incorporated
953
00:52:56.610 --> 00:53:01.929
into wear wearables fitness trackers um even in wellness tech
954
00:53:01.989 --> 00:53:06.389
now to to be able to help you understand the
955
00:53:06.570 --> 00:53:09.190
impact and show the impact that it's having on the body.
956
00:53:09.269 --> 00:53:14.809
For instance, I wear a tracker that tracks all different
957
00:53:14.849 --> 00:53:18.329
metrics within my body. And I know that if I
958
00:53:18.389 --> 00:53:21.750
log a session in a hyperbaric oxygen chamber or I
959
00:53:21.809 --> 00:53:26.269
do red light therapy, I can look back at the
960
00:53:26.369 --> 00:53:29.170
data during that period and see, well, what impact did
961
00:53:29.190 --> 00:53:31.159
that have on my stress levels, my heart rate, my
962
00:53:31.199 --> 00:53:35.690
heart rate variability? rather than just going by intuition. So
963
00:53:35.730 --> 00:53:39.269
I think AI can help with that and help you
964
00:53:39.570 --> 00:53:42.110
determine quickly if something is working for you or not,
965
00:53:42.210 --> 00:53:45.949
because not everything works for everyone. So I think that's
966
00:53:45.969 --> 00:53:49.159
going to be super important. I think what you feed
967
00:53:49.179 --> 00:53:54.880
AI is typically going to vary in terms of the
968
00:53:54.980 --> 00:53:56.440
quality of what you feed it. It's going to give
969
00:53:56.460 --> 00:53:59.559
you the quality of the answer. You don't want AI
970
00:53:59.599 --> 00:54:00.989
telling you what you want to hear.
971
00:54:01.929 --> 00:54:02.420
It needs to.
972
00:54:02.409 --> 00:54:04.889
Be trained in such a way that it's going to
973
00:54:04.929 --> 00:54:09.809
be critical. It's going to use the information that you
974
00:54:09.849 --> 00:54:13.150
want it to use or correctly use. But the one
975
00:54:13.190 --> 00:54:16.489
thing that concerns me with AI is where is it
976
00:54:16.530 --> 00:54:18.369
getting its information from, right?
977
00:54:18.449 --> 00:54:20.150
It's another authority.
978
00:54:19.650 --> 00:54:24.110
Ultimately that's telling you what to do So never take
979
00:54:24.190 --> 00:54:27.159
anything as gospel, even AI, because it's pulling it from
980
00:54:27.219 --> 00:54:30.280
somewhere and somewhere someone may have an agenda to feed
981
00:54:30.320 --> 00:54:33.860
you that kind of information based on some wider goal
982
00:54:33.900 --> 00:54:38.079
that they may have. So still do your own research
983
00:54:39.539 --> 00:54:42.219
when it comes to things like that. But I think
984
00:54:42.260 --> 00:54:47.159
it will come in handy when you're seeing how a
985
00:54:47.260 --> 00:54:51.489
certain modality like meditation, breath work, red light therapy, whatever
986
00:54:51.510 --> 00:54:54.019
it may be, may have a positive impact on your
987
00:54:54.099 --> 00:54:55.059
biological metrics.
988
00:54:56.239 --> 00:54:58.519
Yeah, that's so important because the danger with AI on
989
00:54:58.559 --> 00:55:01.719
many levels is that people turn that into another authority, right?
990
00:55:02.360 --> 00:55:06.659
And that can be really problematic. And externalizing our authority
991
00:55:06.739 --> 00:55:09.460
is a big problem to begin with. It's run through
992
00:55:09.500 --> 00:55:15.230
this whole conversation, the problem with externalizing our authority. And
993
00:55:15.289 --> 00:55:17.289
so one of the ways I use AI is I
994
00:55:18.679 --> 00:55:21.900
I get, you know, three or four kind of deep
995
00:55:21.940 --> 00:55:25.679
blood work tests every year. I put all that information
996
00:55:25.760 --> 00:55:28.750
into an AI. I have a special project in an
997
00:55:28.789 --> 00:55:31.050
AI around, you know, my.
998
00:55:30.929 --> 00:55:31.429
Health, right?
999
00:55:31.789 --> 00:55:34.210
So I put all that information. I'm able to download
1000
00:55:34.329 --> 00:55:38.500
information from wearables. I'm able to download information from my
1001
00:55:38.559 --> 00:55:41.280
smart scale. I'm able to I put in all my
1002
00:55:41.320 --> 00:55:43.599
supplements stack in there. I do all kinds of things.
1003
00:55:43.900 --> 00:55:45.800
What AI is really good. I mean, in some ways
1004
00:55:45.909 --> 00:55:48.809
it's a really great computational device, right? It can just
1005
00:55:48.909 --> 00:55:51.829
analyze a lot of data really quickly, right? So it
1006
00:55:51.909 --> 00:55:54.809
analyzes all that data and then I can have conversations with,
1007
00:55:54.849 --> 00:55:57.440
but you really have to train it because AI has
1008
00:55:57.519 --> 00:55:59.380
a tendency to tell you what you want to hear
1009
00:55:59.519 --> 00:56:02.000
and to be a bit psychopathic. So you really have
1010
00:56:02.019 --> 00:56:04.380
to train it to be really objective. But what it
1011
00:56:04.440 --> 00:56:07.139
can do is help you gather all these different bits
1012
00:56:07.199 --> 00:56:10.559
of information about your health and do an analysis and
1013
00:56:10.579 --> 00:56:12.900
not just trust the analysis you got, but then have
1014
00:56:12.920 --> 00:56:14.360
a conversation.
1015
00:56:13.719 --> 00:56:14.500
About it, right?
1016
00:56:14.539 --> 00:56:16.900
Well, why is that? And this and that. And if
1017
00:56:16.960 --> 00:56:19.320
I did that, well, where are you getting that information from?
1018
00:56:19.380 --> 00:56:20.989
And what would do that? You know, you have to really,
1019
00:56:21.010 --> 00:56:23.809
you have to engage it. You have to be an
1020
00:56:23.949 --> 00:56:28.630
active partner with it, but it can do some amazing
1021
00:56:28.710 --> 00:56:31.849
things that doing manually would take very long, right? If
1022
00:56:31.889 --> 00:56:33.730
you wanted to, figure out if I want to figure
1023
00:56:33.750 --> 00:56:35.869
out how all my blood work and all the information
1024
00:56:35.929 --> 00:56:38.670
from these other, from wearables and all about my lifestyle
1025
00:56:38.690 --> 00:56:41.269
and all supplements and pull all that together and create
1026
00:56:41.289 --> 00:56:44.130
spreadsheets and figure out how it's all connected. And, you know,
1027
00:56:44.190 --> 00:56:46.550
that would, it would, it would take you forever, but
1028
00:56:46.630 --> 00:56:47.630
now AI can do.
1029
00:56:47.630 --> 00:56:49.429
Those things very quickly. So it can be a very
1030
00:56:49.530 --> 00:56:51.840
useful partner in that way. Uh, great.
1031
00:56:52.340 --> 00:56:59.320
So, um, um, just, um, so bond charge, um, You
1032
00:56:59.360 --> 00:57:02.780
started off with blue light blocking glasses and wanted to
1033
00:57:02.820 --> 00:57:05.170
develop some that really do what they're supposed to do, right?
1034
00:57:05.909 --> 00:57:10.190
And then you're into red light therapy, I believe, and
1035
00:57:10.289 --> 00:57:14.449
also the PEMF emissions, right? And the benefits of that.
1036
00:57:14.929 --> 00:57:19.949
So we've talked a bit about blocking blue light. So,
1037
00:57:20.929 --> 00:57:22.570
and you've talked a bit about.
1038
00:57:24.340 --> 00:57:26.409
Red light therapy and the importance of getting some of
1039
00:57:26.449 --> 00:57:31.929
the beneficial light exposure to our mitochondria, right? And I
1040
00:57:31.969 --> 00:57:33.409
don't think we have time today to go into all
1041
00:57:33.469 --> 00:57:36.130
the technology and the frequencies and all that.
1042
00:57:36.630 --> 00:57:37.809
But like you said, if.
1043
00:57:37.769 --> 00:57:39.909
You're going to get a red light therapy device, make
1044
00:57:39.949 --> 00:57:42.679
sure you really get it from a company that's doing
1045
00:57:42.719 --> 00:57:44.659
the science. And you can see that they have the
1046
00:57:44.699 --> 00:57:47.440
advisory committee and they're involved in clinical trials. And it's
1047
00:57:47.480 --> 00:57:50.820
really a high quality product. And if you try to
1048
00:57:50.880 --> 00:57:55.090
get the bargain one on Amazon, it's You get what
1049
00:57:55.110 --> 00:57:57.630
you pay for, so you're probably not getting the best
1050
00:57:58.010 --> 00:57:58.929
technology there.
1051
00:57:59.889 --> 00:58:01.920
Talk just a little bit about PEMF.
1052
00:58:02.559 --> 00:58:04.360
What's that technology all about?
1053
00:58:04.940 --> 00:58:07.940
Absolutely. This is one of the newest forms of.
1054
00:58:09.920 --> 00:58:13.880
Biohacking, and it's starting to gain a lot of popularity. Now,
1055
00:58:14.719 --> 00:58:21.150
what it is, is it's utilizing natural frequencies of energy
1056
00:58:21.780 --> 00:58:25.619
that's found in nature and found within us internally. And
1057
00:58:25.679 --> 00:58:29.920
it's pulsing them into the body to create certain states
1058
00:58:30.800 --> 00:58:34.460
of wellbeing. So you mentioned binaural beats earlier, it's very
1059
00:58:34.519 --> 00:58:37.539
similar concept to that where they use sound and auditory
1060
00:58:38.420 --> 00:58:43.389
inputs to mimic natural frequency. So for instance, binaural beats
1061
00:58:43.429 --> 00:58:48.090
are great for sleep. PEMF uses a similar modality where
1062
00:58:48.190 --> 00:58:52.340
delta waves will be pulsed into the body And the brain,
1063
00:58:52.760 --> 00:58:56.400
in terms of wanting to conserve energy, will mimic the
1064
00:58:56.579 --> 00:58:59.320
energy in the environment or the energy that's being pulsed
1065
00:58:59.579 --> 00:59:02.150
into it. So putting delta waves in is going to
1066
00:59:02.210 --> 00:59:08.250
help you sleep better by using PEMF at 7.8, 8 hertz.
1067
00:59:08.610 --> 00:59:11.760
That's the Schumann resonance. which is the Earth's magnetic field,
1068
00:59:11.800 --> 00:59:15.409
which basically is the same as grounding, which reduces inflammation.
1069
00:59:16.030 --> 00:59:18.190
If you start to use alpha waves, you start to
1070
00:59:18.230 --> 00:59:19.369
feel more creative.
1071
00:59:19.449 --> 00:59:20.530
If you start to use.
1072
00:59:23.250 --> 00:59:26.829
Higher frequencies between 13 and 13 hertz, You're going to
1073
00:59:26.849 --> 00:59:30.639
be able to be more productive, more in tune with
1074
00:59:31.119 --> 00:59:35.940
meditative practices, allow you to be more present. So these
1075
00:59:36.039 --> 00:59:39.789
frequencies can be used to put your body into these
1076
00:59:39.989 --> 00:59:43.889
amazing states. Now, the opposite of how this works is
1077
00:59:44.070 --> 00:59:48.360
imagine you're in a supermarket during lunch. a very busy period,
1078
00:59:48.400 --> 00:59:51.900
loads of screaming children around, your body starts to mimic
1079
00:59:51.920 --> 00:59:53.780
that and you start to feel stressed or you're getting
1080
00:59:53.820 --> 00:59:55.219
on the train and it's busy and you have to
1081
00:59:55.300 --> 00:59:59.599
stand up, people everywhere, feel stressed, your body mimics what's
1082
00:59:59.639 --> 01:00:04.760
around you. So the way PEMF, pulsed electromagnetic fields work
1083
01:00:05.280 --> 01:00:07.969
is it takes natural frequencies, you turn it to a
1084
01:00:08.030 --> 01:00:11.139
setting that you want, you lie on this device or
1085
01:00:11.159 --> 01:00:13.869
you sit on it and work or whatever it is
1086
01:00:13.889 --> 01:00:16.949
you want to do and you choose what kind of
1087
01:00:17.150 --> 01:00:19.369
energy you want to feel. Do I want to feel grounded?
1088
01:00:19.389 --> 01:00:21.050
Do I want to be more productive? Do I want
1089
01:00:21.489 --> 01:00:25.030
a deeper meditation? Do I want to sleep better? Turn
1090
01:00:25.070 --> 01:00:28.960
it on and then you just either relax, meditate or
1091
01:00:29.059 --> 01:00:33.000
work or sleep or whatever it is and they've started
1092
01:00:33.059 --> 01:00:38.880
to be used quite heavily in the wellness community but
1093
01:00:38.900 --> 01:00:43.840
also in the recovery communities as well, where people are
1094
01:00:43.860 --> 01:00:47.619
looking for that parasympathetic time, but also studies have started
1095
01:00:47.639 --> 01:00:51.800
to come out that show that 13 to 30 Hertz
1096
01:00:51.840 --> 01:00:55.989
of PEMF can actually heal bones faster. It can actually
1097
01:00:56.050 --> 01:01:02.210
help muscle recovery for quicker returning to physical activity. So
1098
01:01:02.590 --> 01:01:04.650
there's a lot of promise in PEMF and there's been
1099
01:01:04.670 --> 01:01:06.570
a lot of trials that's happening at the moment. It's
1100
01:01:06.610 --> 01:01:09.809
being incorporated around the world, which has been fantastic.
1101
01:01:11.170 --> 01:01:12.070
Wonderful. Wonderful.
1102
01:01:12.289 --> 01:01:17.860
And so, um, are there, so this sounds like a
1103
01:01:17.889 --> 01:01:20.820
device you would lie on or sit on. Are there
1104
01:01:21.219 --> 01:01:23.599
wearable technologies with PEMF?
1105
01:01:24.260 --> 01:01:25.000
There is, yes.
1106
01:01:25.019 --> 01:01:28.900
There's actually a wrap, um, that we produce as well
1107
01:01:28.980 --> 01:01:33.199
that wraps around the body. Um, so you can use
1108
01:01:33.280 --> 01:01:35.880
it to actually help heal a bad back. I know
1109
01:01:35.900 --> 01:01:38.099
a lot of people have lower back issues. You strap
1110
01:01:38.159 --> 01:01:42.000
it on, um, also gives out far infrared heat um
1111
01:01:42.179 --> 01:01:46.000
which is fantastic for relief of of muscle soreness as
1112
01:01:46.059 --> 01:01:48.679
well so yes you can get them as wearables as
1113
01:01:48.719 --> 01:01:50.800
well so you don't just have to lie on a mat.
1114
01:01:51.659 --> 01:01:56.349
And i'm really curious because another way to um you
1115
01:01:56.389 --> 01:02:00.630
know adjust your brainwave frequencies is through various neurofeedback devices
1116
01:02:00.710 --> 01:02:04.409
neurofeedback training and so forth and of course various meditative
1117
01:02:04.449 --> 01:02:06.730
disciplines do this anyway but you can get a more
1118
01:02:06.769 --> 01:02:09.420
measurable thing to what's going on and and work with
1119
01:02:09.460 --> 01:02:12.420
the feedback you're getting from some neurofeedback device to train
1120
01:02:12.440 --> 01:02:15.760
yourself to move in these different brainwave states you were
1121
01:02:15.780 --> 01:02:21.570
talking about. Is anybody doing anything with combining like PEMF
1122
01:02:21.610 --> 01:02:24.789
where you're getting an external source that's kind of putting
1123
01:02:24.809 --> 01:02:27.210
you there, but then you're also learning how to get
1124
01:02:27.250 --> 01:02:30.530
yourself there with some kind of biofeedback or neurofeedback?
1125
01:02:30.550 --> 01:02:31.829
Is there anything going on like that?
1126
01:02:32.869 --> 01:02:34.730
Um not that i've seen the only ones i've seen
1127
01:02:34.769 --> 01:02:38.190
out there are like muse headband and pulsettos where they're
1128
01:02:38.329 --> 01:02:42.559
utilizing frequencies i'm not sure if it's technically classed as
1129
01:02:42.639 --> 01:02:44.420
pmf i'm not too sure i'd have a look a
1130
01:02:44.440 --> 01:02:44.760
little bit.
1131
01:02:44.699 --> 01:02:48.920
More i don't think so to my best yeah yeah
1132
01:02:48.960 --> 01:02:51.440
well there might be an interesting development all right well
1133
01:02:51.460 --> 01:02:54.739
let's let's uh let's slip into our our lightning round
1134
01:02:54.780 --> 01:02:57.369
here so just these are just really quick answers to
1135
01:02:57.409 --> 01:03:00.760
some quick questions so what's the one health habit that
1136
01:03:00.960 --> 01:03:04.639
everyone should take more responsibility for in your mind.
1137
01:03:05.139 --> 01:03:08.860
Watch the sunrise every day. First light you see, natural light.
1138
01:03:10.420 --> 01:03:13.460
What's the most underrated factor when it comes to longevity
1139
01:03:13.500 --> 01:03:14.159
and healthspan?
1140
01:03:18.179 --> 01:03:20.530
Keep it simple. Mm-hmm.
1141
01:03:22.210 --> 01:03:25.510
What's a, you use the analogy of, uh, of investing
1142
01:03:25.550 --> 01:03:28.699
before I've been reading a lot about investing, uh, lately. And,
1143
01:03:28.889 --> 01:03:32.619
and there's a really key value in there in simplicity.
1144
01:03:33.179 --> 01:03:33.460
Yeah.
1145
01:03:33.480 --> 01:03:36.420
So simplicity is an overall human value is really important.
1146
01:03:36.460 --> 01:03:40.579
I think, um, what's one popular wellness trend that you
1147
01:03:40.619 --> 01:03:42.059
think may be a bit overhyped?
1148
01:03:44.090 --> 01:03:45.969
Cold, cold plunge.
1149
01:03:46.989 --> 01:03:48.170
Uh-huh. Okay.
1150
01:03:48.969 --> 01:03:54.150
Um, and, uh, If you had to choose between morning
1151
01:03:54.210 --> 01:03:55.590
sunlight and red light therapy?
1152
01:03:56.869 --> 01:03:59.369
Morning sunlight, because there's red light therapy in it.
1153
01:04:01.449 --> 01:04:05.730
And what's the biggest mistake when people come to their
1154
01:04:05.769 --> 01:04:07.630
sleep or trying to optimize their sleep?
1155
01:04:13.340 --> 01:04:14.199
Phone usage.
1156
01:04:16.019 --> 01:04:18.159
They can block all the light they want, wear blue
1157
01:04:18.179 --> 01:04:20.639
light glasses, do the wind downs, but as soon as
1158
01:04:20.659 --> 01:04:24.230
that phone comes in, stimulated it's not going to help.
1159
01:04:26.070 --> 01:04:27.369
So um.
1160
01:04:28.929 --> 01:04:33.570
What's the one thing that you think we should really
1161
01:04:33.710 --> 01:04:37.969
change in terms of our relationship to technology what would
1162
01:04:38.010 --> 01:04:40.869
be a key factor to have a sane relationship to.
1163
01:04:40.829 --> 01:04:49.179
Technology safe and sensible usage.
1164
01:04:50.280 --> 01:04:55.230
Mm-hmm And what matters most for longevity and health span,
1165
01:04:56.170 --> 01:04:59.369
optimization or consistency?
1166
01:05:01.530 --> 01:05:02.429
Consistency.
1167
01:05:04.329 --> 01:05:07.280
What's one biohack that costs absolutely nothing?
1168
01:05:10.260 --> 01:05:10.760
Grounding.
1169
01:05:12.059 --> 01:05:12.440
Great.
1170
01:05:12.619 --> 01:05:15.500
And what's one thing you've changed your mind about when
1171
01:05:15.539 --> 01:05:16.199
it comes to.
1172
01:05:16.139 --> 01:05:17.320
Health or longevity?
1173
01:05:18.130 --> 01:05:19.250
Ketogenic dieting.
1174
01:05:20.360 --> 01:05:22.800
Uh-huh. So that became a positive for you.
1175
01:05:23.619 --> 01:05:24.519
It was a positive.
1176
01:05:24.940 --> 01:05:28.519
Um, but I don't think it's the long-term solution to
1177
01:05:28.900 --> 01:05:33.559
optimal health. I think it's purpose for me. Um, and
1178
01:05:33.619 --> 01:05:36.840
I'm ever grateful for it, but I believe there are
1179
01:05:36.860 --> 01:05:43.000
more optimal diets out there for me personally, um, being Mediterranean.
1180
01:05:44.800 --> 01:05:46.980
Well, that's a great, I mean, that's a whole nother
1181
01:05:47.059 --> 01:05:50.989
subject and, uh, but a very interesting one. And, uh, Yeah,
1182
01:05:51.050 --> 01:05:53.730
diets can be a bit faddish and so forth. Ketogenic
1183
01:05:53.769 --> 01:05:55.690
diets can be a great way to lose weight and
1184
01:05:55.710 --> 01:05:59.170
get yourself on kind of a new track. I'm curious,
1185
01:05:59.289 --> 01:06:01.909
and there's no one answer for everybody. Everybody's got to
1186
01:06:01.929 --> 01:06:04.530
find their own way to this. But what direction are
1187
01:06:04.590 --> 01:06:07.280
you moved in from ketogenic? Is it more towards a
1188
01:06:07.340 --> 01:06:10.159
balanced paleo diet or what kind of direction is that
1189
01:06:10.179 --> 01:06:10.719
taking you in?
1190
01:06:11.750 --> 01:06:17.050
For me personally, I have an APOE4 variant gene, which
1191
01:06:17.130 --> 01:06:22.949
means I'm highly susceptible genetically to develop Alzheimer's disease. So
1192
01:06:23.590 --> 01:06:27.280
I had to do a lot of research myself on
1193
01:06:27.320 --> 01:06:29.659
what most optimal diet is for me. And mine is
1194
01:06:29.699 --> 01:06:34.349
a high seafood Mediterranean diet. um and that's what i
1195
01:06:34.369 --> 01:06:39.650
eat a lot of fish um whole grains vegetables um
1196
01:06:40.230 --> 01:06:43.619
a lot of variety but it's all whole whole food
1197
01:06:44.340 --> 01:06:48.599
um basically yeah pescatarian i would say but i do
1198
01:06:48.659 --> 01:06:51.199
eat red meat in there as well just not as
1199
01:06:51.280 --> 01:06:54.340
much as say someone on a carnivore diet because of
1200
01:06:54.400 --> 01:06:56.679
the apoe4 variant i have.
1201
01:06:57.269 --> 01:07:00.010
Right makes sense so and again that points to the
1202
01:07:00.349 --> 01:07:04.340
the the importance of really digging in and understanding our
1203
01:07:04.480 --> 01:07:08.739
own system. And really, it's a very personalized approach we
1204
01:07:08.760 --> 01:07:11.800
need to take to our health. One last just quick
1205
01:07:11.820 --> 01:07:15.320
question around, because you've probably explored this. What's your, what's been,
1206
01:07:15.539 --> 01:07:18.679
have you experimented with intermittent fasting? And what's your view
1207
01:07:18.769 --> 01:07:20.610
on that? Or what's been your experience with that?
1208
01:07:21.309 --> 01:07:24.610
Yeah, I think it's a great tool for calorie restriction
1209
01:07:24.650 --> 01:07:29.170
and control, because it puts calories into a specific window
1210
01:07:29.190 --> 01:07:31.909
and it's harder to overeat when there's a smaller window
1211
01:07:31.969 --> 01:07:36.570
to eat in. I think we're fasting when we're sleeping.
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So if you're getting at least eight to 10 hours
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sleep a night, then you're fine, but a lot of
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people don't. So intermittent fasting allows your body to enter
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recovery mode and allow the cells to undergo apoptosis and autophagy,
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clearing out dead and damaged cells. I think you've also, again,
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got to be careful for females what stage of your
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cycle you're in when you're intermittent fasting because there's areas
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of luteal phase when you're under a lot more stress
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and your heart rate variability is is very low that
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you probably don't want to intermittent fast and place more
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stress on the body or cold plunge and place more
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stress on the body so again i think it's it's
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it's very specific but i think used i'm always i
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always say to myself with with things or say to
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people that You've got to know why you're doing something.
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So if you're doing intermittent fasting because someone says, oh,
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it's a cool thing to do, it's probably not the
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right thing. Are you using it for calorie control because
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you're on some sort of weight loss plan? Are you
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doing it because you have cancer and you want to
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have more periods for healing and restoring of clearing out cells?
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Are you doing it because you find your spiritual practices
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during the fasted state are more heightened? I think you
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just got to understand why you're doing something. And then
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if it's working for that purpose, then then then keep doing.
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It fabulous so it's been really incredibly um i've learned
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a lot it's been incredibly educational i'm sure it has
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been fascinating and thank you for your work and uh
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and i encourage people to find out more about you
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and bone charge where can people do that Yeah.
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They can.
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Bondcharge.com is great. There's a great education section on that.
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People start learning about the technologies in our modern environment.
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Our Instagram, bondcharge underscore.
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Those are both very, very good educational platforms where we
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have a lot of scientific articles written by our PhDs.
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Wonderful.
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So Andy Matt, thank you very much. Founder of Bond Charge.
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Thank you for your work and thank you for being
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a guest on Radical Responsibility.
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Thanks, Vlade.
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I really appreciate your time.
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Thank you for joining me on the Radical Responsibility podcast. Remember,
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real change happens when we commit to our growth, face
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our challenges with compassion and stay open to transformation. If
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you found this episode helpful, I encourage you to subscribe
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and help us spread the message of healing and personal empowerment.
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Until next time, stay grounded, stay present, and stay true
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to yourself.
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Take care.