The Piano Pod, Season 2, Episode 6: Ricardo A. Hernandez--Entertainment/Corporate Attorney

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You are listening to the PianoPod, where we talk to the brightest minds in the industry
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about how they are bringing the piano into the 21st century.
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Welcome back to the PianoPod.
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I'm Clara Zhang.
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I'm Yukimi Song.
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And welcome to the newly remixed TPP.
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This is exciting because we are starting a new format today.
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That's right.
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In this episode, we are inviting a guest co-host besides our regular guest speaker who will
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be assisting us during the show.
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So Clara, please introduce us to our guest co-host of the day.
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That's right.
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Sure.
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I'm very pleased to present my dearest friend and geeky Sony.
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She is a lawyer by day and a beautiful Greek goddess, right?
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Greek and jazz singer by night.
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And she is also very, very dear friend of mine and thanks for being on the show.
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Thank you, Clara, for the introduction and thank you, Yukimi.
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Thank you both for having me on the PianoPod.
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Very exciting to be here.
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That's right.
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So I met and through our common friend, my best friend, Yasmin.
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Shout out to Yasmin.
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Shout out to Yasmin.
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She's a beautiful clarinetist.
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And yeah, and then recently, Yukimi and I actually did a gig together in Connecticut.
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And then on the way there, we were just thinking we were looking for an entertainment lawyer.
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And she were like, oh my gosh, we have this beautiful lawyer sitting right here.
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We always think that she's actually also a lawyer on top of me.
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So we all came together.
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One thing about lawyers is that we can always connect to other people.
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I don't practice entertainment law, although I'm learning a lot about it now.
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But I thought of Ricky Hernandez.
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He's great at what he does.
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And it was great to make the connection and have him on.
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It was just so beautiful.
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It was so perfect.
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Everything just lined up.
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And then we haven't connected for years.
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And somehow it just brought us together.
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So we're curious, maybe in a few words, Ricky, you can tell us a little bit of what you do
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or how do you manage?
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Some days I manage better than others.
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But like you said, I am a practicing real estate attorney by day.
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I do mostly real estate, but I also handle business transactions, wills and estates and
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things of that nature.
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And my side hustle, which is kind of taking over my life right now, is art and creating
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my own music.
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I sing jazz, like you mentioned, but I also do traditional Greek music.
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And I try to blend the two genres together.
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So I guess you could call it world music.
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Currently, I'm working on my album, which should be coming out in the spring of 2022.
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I'm very excited.
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It's going to contain original tracks and some covers as well.
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And I'm very excited that I'm collaborating with some amazing composers and good friends
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of mine.
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So stay tuned for that.
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I hope to perform with you ladies very soon because that Broadway themed Halloween party
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we did was a lot of fun.
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I know.
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I went to the theater and I went to the theater.
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It was a great year.
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Yeah.
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So we are available for your holiday parties.
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So holler.
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Okay, guys.
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Yes.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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So, you know, I mean, being a musician, you know, you inspire me, Aguilica, because you
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are being a lawyer, you know, make a living, but also you're a serious musician.
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So, you know, being a musician is like owning a business, right?
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Absolutely.
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Yeah, and there's an old school way of thinking that music is an art and should be protected.
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And to make a business out of art is almost like a crime.
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But I kind of disagree, you know, because most of us musicians and artists are freelancers
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and you know, and you as much as you belong to law firm, Aguilica, but you are also you
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know what it's like to be a freelancer, right?
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Because you're freelancing.
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And so being a freelancer means you have to promote yourself, manage income by yourself,
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manage so many other aspects of life at collaboration, tax, copyrights for streaming, such and such.
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So now more than ever, I feel like because so many things are so accessible by social
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media now you can actually manage our own brands, which means, you know, we are actually
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really responsible for our own brands and we need expertise, right?
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And you know, what I'm learning in my short lived career as an artist so far is that no
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one's going to care more about your business than you and no one's going to care more about
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your art.
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So it's important to have a good team like we're going to discuss, right?
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And to delegate because like you said, we have to wear so many different hats and you
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have to worry about the art, but you also have to promote, you also have to, you know,
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book gigs for yourself and tours and things like that.
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So you have to delegate.
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It's important to have people on your side that you can trust, but it is a business.
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Yeah.
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And it's all, it really comes down to you and how you manage your time.
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Exactly.
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And that's why we have to invite a legal expert to our show to ask questions.
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And we are so happy to have you, Nikki, as our co-host and you can help us really ask
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the right questions when we're a little clueless and maybe interrupt some of the legal terms
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of us.
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Yeah.
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Thank you so much.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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So we're very excited to have our guest, Mr. Ricardo Hernandez, an attorney in the
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national office of Shackleford, Bowen McKendley and Norton LLP, whose experience primarily
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lies in the field of entertainment, intellectual property, and corporate law, with a broad
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knowledge base in the areas of music, technology, commercial lending, mergers, and acquisitions,
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and day-to-day corporate matters.
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Let's welcome Mr. Hernandez to the show.
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Hey, welcome.
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Thank you for having me.
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Hello.
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Thank you so much for joining us.
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Oh my God.
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It's so early in the morning.
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Thank you.
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Yes.
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You got such dedicated lawyers out there.
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So how are you today?
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I'm good.
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I'm good.
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Really good.
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I think this time of the year for entertainment attorneys is typically pretty busy.
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The music industry shuts down pretty hard in December with people coming off tour and
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not really doing too much.
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There's no new releases.
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And so from this time, like early, late October until Thanksgiving is usually a big push,
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but it's fun.
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It's good work.
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So are you going to a show or not after work?
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Are you going to party?
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I did not.
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I'm not going to a show today.
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I did get to see, I don't know if anyone knows, Dennis Quaid is now performing music.
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Wow, the actor.
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The actor.
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Yep.
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He was playing in town on Monday and he was fantastic.
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Just an absolute personality as you can probably imagine, but a good musician as well.
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And so that was a really fun one.
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And he's a client of the firm in certain capacities.
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But yeah, so the show stuff is a lot of fun, but so is the entertainment stuff.
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Oh my goodness.
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Nashville sounds like a very poppin' place that I definitely want to visit in terms of
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music happening.
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Oh please.
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Anytime you guys want to come, I'd love to take you around.
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It's a lot of fun.
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I moved here in 2014 and even in the last, what, seven years, it has changed entirely.
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I mean, just the entire city is, I mean, I'm looking out the window right now and there's
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like seven different cranes building new buildings.
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It's just, oh, the city is absolutely booming, but it does still have that kind of like Southern
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charm feel to it, which is part of the reason I moved down and wanted to be part of this
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industry in this legal field.
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It's just a good town.
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Until you experience it, it's really hard to fully put pinpoint why.
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I was there for my 30th birthday.
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I won't say how old, I don't know, maybe 30.
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But I was on a helicopter ride, or maybe it's not even a helicopter, it's a little bigger.
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It fits like four people and then on the plane.
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And so we just went all around the Nashville, Tennessee area.
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We were staying in the house in the mountains.
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I was like, this is a perfect place for practicing piano.
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Nobody can hear me.
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But I remember even at the time it was happening.
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Everything was very different from New York entertainment, especially for us classical
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musicians.
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I didn't see a whole lot of classical musician music.
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Yeah.
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I mean, even the entertainment scene is changing pretty rapidly.
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So whereas 10 years ago, 15 years ago, it was primarily seen as a country spot.
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If you want to do country music, you would come here and try to get a deal with a country
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label and a singer songwriter.
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So publishing has, Nashville has deep, deep roots in the singer songwriter community of
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many different genres.
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Probably the exception being hip hop and rap, since we're so close to Atlanta.
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If that's your space, they kind of would be attracted there.
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That being said, in the last, I mean, really five years, because of how many people are
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moving to town and trying to find opportunities, the scene has entirely changed.
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And not to say that the country and the American and the bluegrass stuff has gone away.
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It's still there.
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But there's a lot more pop.
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There's even a lot more punk, a lot more, even a little bit of R&B and hip hop.
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The scene is rapidly changing because the city is growing and there's just a lot more
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opportunities.
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And as that happens, you're just seeing a bit of a culture shift, which I think everyone's
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a little nervous about.
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But at the same time, I think it's good for the city.
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So I'm curious, like, who are you representing as an entertainment lawyer?
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Yeah.
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So I'm an attorney.
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So my client, well, Anglici, first and foremost.
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Most importantly, right.
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But being a younger attorney, my roster is a little bit smaller.
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I've got a few clients that I really love.
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I've got a singer songwriter in town named Shane Weissman, who's just, I think he's going
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to absolutely set the industry on fire.
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So plug for him.
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But the nice thing about being at a law firm like Shackelford is I work for attorneys who
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have decades upon decades of experience and I get to work for them.
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So although not my clients, still clients that I work on, I mean, we do.
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We have a lot of kind of independent record labels, publishing houses, entities that will,
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like promoters and entities that run festivals.
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And then we have a lot of artists as well.
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So we do work for one of the members of Dan and Shay, Shay Mooney, Anne Wilson of Hart
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will do a lot of work for.
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Cage the Elephant is one of my partner's clients.
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Ian Munsik, who's in the country space and is doing really, really well.
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LV Shane is one of our clients who represent his publishers.
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So we're really close with him and just a lot of just different, different acts.
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Tay Money.
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So is anyone on TikTok?
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Yes, you know, I need to get on that.
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My mother is the sound.
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She understood the assignment or I understood the assignment.
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That's Tay Money and that's one of our artists and she's absolutely blowing up.
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She has been before that TikTok or that TikTok has absolutely helped.
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And she's one of the best.
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Her music is great, but as a personality and as a person, she's just one of my favorite
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people.
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I got the opportunity to meet her when we were visiting one of our main offices in Dallas.
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I was visiting our main office in Dallas and she's from that area.
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So we got to a partner of mine and myself got to have dinner with her and sit down and
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just talk with her.
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Who is your absolute favorite artist?
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My absolute favorite artist?
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Oh my God.
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That's such a tough one.
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I think it depends on the week, right?
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I think music to me is such an emotional thing that it really does depend on how I'm feeling
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that week.
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You know, I mean, if I'm part Cuban, so if I'm really feeling like I need to go back
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to the Cuban roots, you know, I'll listen to like the...
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What is it?
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What's the...
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God, I just got one of the records.
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The Social Club.
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Oh yeah, the Buena Vista Social Club.
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Yeah, I love them.
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I will throw that record on repeat and in fact, oftentimes if I need to just focus,
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I'll put it in the background and just run that through.
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So that's really, really great.
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If I'm feeling more like going back to my middle school days, I'll listen to Follow
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Up Boy on repeat or Taylor Swift on repeat and perfect balance like early Taylor Swift.
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Really gets the people going.
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I mean, it really just depends on the week.
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It's like picking your favorite child, I guess, right?
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I think some people can do it.
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I definitely cannot.
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But are you a musician yourself?
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I played clarinet growing up and I loved that and I think that's kind of what started my
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love for music.
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But no, I'm not a practicing musician.
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I wish I was.
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If I won the lottery tomorrow, I think that's the first thing I would start to work on is
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to get back into doing music.
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But I wholeheartedly enjoy assisting musicians in my legal capacity instead.
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Music and law, I mean, for us, it almost feels like in the beginning, it's not really together.
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As musicians, we just think about our craft of practicing and stay in the practice room.
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How many hours did you put in?
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We had to deal with lawyers, with immigration stuff.
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So we are curious.
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Do you work with immigration lawyers at all or artists helping them with immigration matters?
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Yeah, absolutely.
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I'll preface that answer by saying the cool thing in my ear part about being an entertainment
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attorney is there really isn't one area of the law that we are fluent in.
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We have to, one of my mentors said it really, really well, entertainment attorneys are just
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attorneys with really cool clients.
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It really is.
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At the end of the day, we are just practicing the law.
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I've got knowledge in obviously pure entertainment and IP, copyrights, record deals, publishing
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deals, but I also do a little bit of real estate when a client needs to hire or sell
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a business.
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I do some corporate law.
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I don't do any immigration, but we do often have to work because of touring issues and
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because of people coming over or going to other countries.
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We often have to work with immigration attorneys to make sure that our clients don't set up
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a tour and then suddenly can't get in the country.
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So that's just something that we have to think about.
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Absolutely, I think one of the most important parts for us is making sure that we build
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our network so that in the event our clients have an issue that we can't tackle, we know
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who to call.
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As much as I wish I knew all of the law, it's just impossible to be an expert in everything.
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So I think that getting that network and building that team of other attorneys or just other
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experts who can assist you in the event the client needs the knee, that's kind of where
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we have value.
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Yeah, of course.
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And then we need that because sometimes in the beginning we are so lost.
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I remember I got my artist visa and the green card that way.
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As an extraordinary artist, the first time I went to a lawyer, he was like, did you win
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the Nobel award yet?
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I'm like, do musicians do that?
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I didn't know that was a possibility, but somehow I got my visa and everything.
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He was like, all right, you keep on fighting that.
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You just keep on doing it.
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And then at one point I felt like one of my lawyers was like my best friend because that
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was the person I was talking to every single day to get me through that little part.
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So wow.
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It can be very overwhelming in the beginning and artists have to wear so many different
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hats.
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So it's good.
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It's very important to have a good lawyer on your side.
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I wanted to ask about this, the hottest news of music industry right now, Taylor Swift,
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and because she was on SNL and I watched a little bit of it.
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And then also she was on like some kind of a late night talk show and she was saying
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something about how she doesn't own her own songs.
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And I was actually really shocked.
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It's like, come on, she is Taytay, you know, she's got a big SNA.
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And she doesn't even she wrote she wrote her own songs, but she doesn't own.
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So and then this big name artist manager, he purchased her label company or the label
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record label company that owns Taylor Swift songs were bought by this guy.
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And then so she doesn't Taylor Swift was doesn't like it.
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And so there's a dispute and she wants to use her own songs for certain things, but
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she is not allowed to.
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So she decided to have her version of like she decided to rerecord everything.
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So what's going on?
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What is this all about?
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Yeah.
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And it's such an I mean, it's such an interesting case and kind of, you know, a good test case
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on rerecord restrictions.
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And how important relationships can be when you're representing a label and you're representing
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an artist.
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So my understanding with the Taylor case is that, you know, although Taylor Swift is now
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Taylor Swift, the music icon, I think people have to remember that at some point, Taylor
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Swift was a brand new artist looking for her first deal.
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You know, and when you're a brand new artist, as you all know, you have a lot less leverage.
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And so when you have less leverage, you kind of have to go in and accept more industry
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standard or even non industry standard terms just to get that deal going to kind of launch
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your career.
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And so my understanding was what happened was, you know, Taylor on her first deal or
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first series of deals, signed deals whereby the record label owns her masters.
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Right.
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And so when we're talking about this case, when you use the word songs, you know, and
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music copyrights, there's two sides to the copyright.
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There's the composition, what you wrote, and then there's the master, which is the song
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that you're actually hearing.
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So on the record label side, she sold the copyrights to her masters, you know, and that's
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not uncommon.
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It's not uncommon for an artist, especially a younger artist to say, you know, I'm going
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to get in advance.
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You're going to get the ownership to the masters.
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You're going to exploit those masters.
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And even after this deal is done, I don't get those back.
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Those are yours.
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That is not uncommon and is actually pretty standard.
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Now there are many, many different ways to construct that.
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And I think I don't think the industry is ever going to go away from that, but I think
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certain labels are more open to other structures.
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But let's stick with Taylor's case.
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So that happened.
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Taylor's career obviously took off, became who she was.
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The dispute she had was with a certain individual who then ended up owning her masters.
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And I think the, I think she doesn't believe with the way that individual does business.
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I think she has had some bad, bad experiences with that individual and just didn't feel
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good about that individual making money off of her songs.
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That being said, under the contract, my understanding was there wasn't a lot she could do about
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it.
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You know, that he owned them fair and square.
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He purchased them.
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Now, when you have master recordings, typically speaking in a deal or not, I mean, sometimes
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the deal won't have any record, re-record restriction.
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It'll say, you just can't record these again forever.
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In her deal, I believe they had a re-record restriction of 10 years.
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So they said, you will not re-record the composition in these masters for at least 10 years.
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Now usually for a record label, that's good enough because you're going to exploit a lot,
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a great majority of those receipts from the masters will happen in the first 10 years.
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So you'll be able to recoup your monies.
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You'll make some money off of it.
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And also in my experience, it's somewhat uncommon for artists to then come back and re-record
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these compositions, right?
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You know, they've got a good relationship with the label.
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Maybe they're still on the label and they'll say, okay, yeah, could I re-record these?
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Yes.
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Do I want to spend the money to re-record, re-market, do the whole thing?
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No.
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Taylor Swift saw, you know, this dispute was happening right around the time her re-record
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restrictions coming up.
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And I think she saw that as an opportunity to, for lack of a better way, to say it, stick
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it to the man, right?
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She said, fine, you can make money off of those.
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I'm going to make my own and then I'm going to make money off of these, which is going
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to directly cut into your profits.
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And that's what she did.
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You know, I think, I don't know that everyone would be as successful doing it, but it's
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Taylor Swift.
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You know, when you have the backing and the loyal following that she has, you can do something
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like that.
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Yeah.
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And I think that's an interesting test case and it's a case that I think some labels are
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concerned about, right?
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Because if you have a 10 year re-record restriction and some, you know, successful artists sees
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that and is like, wait, I can make more money off of re-recording my songs?
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Why wouldn't I do that?
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And I think that's going to be a concern.
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And I think you're going to start to see some of those restrictions either get longer or
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go away because of what Taylor has done.
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Not the first time Taylor has sort of revolutionized the industry.
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You know, a big part of the reason musicians are getting paid a little more under the Epic
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Apple music model was because she left Spotify for, I don't know what, five years.
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You know, when you have that type of voice, you can kind of make some monumental shifts.
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So it's really interesting to see.
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Yeah, it is.
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And then it's amazing how she is, she's not only a, you know, big biggest singer, but
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also she is a big influencer.
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So she has this power of influencing, you know, her fans through social media.
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And what she did was like, so here is the remastered or my version of my song and then
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don't listen to the original version, but listen to this.
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Then that's how her, her version of songs are now on the chart, Billboard chart, not
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the original ones.
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And that's actually really clever.
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So even the biggest name like her, she, they have to fight their spot.
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They have to fight their rights as an artist.
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That was actually really quite inspiring.
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Not that I'm honest, to be honest, I don't listen to her song very often.
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I'm a classical musician.
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So yeah, very boring.
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So yeah, but I thought it was, you know, the fighting spirit.
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I like that.
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So I can think.
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Can I just say, yeah, of course.
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I've heard Clara and Yukimi play live and it's anything but boring.
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Just saying.
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Thank you.
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That was a special concert, but you're very sweet.
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Thank you.
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But do you have any, anything like that?
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I mean, I think it's her name, Taytay.
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Even my 11 years old, they all know it.
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You know, I mean, I think she's pretty setting.
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I actually didn't know she goes by Taytay.
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I live under a rock sometimes.
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I didn't even know, but yeah, I mean, you know, just imagine these younger generation.
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I mean, now they're going to look up to her.
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You know what she did was, but Angelique, yeah, tell us.
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I mean, you are also in this world really.
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I mean, we are not going to compare, but you know, you have your album, you have your MTV
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and you know, you work as a lawyer.
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We don't know how many, you know, bodies you have to do all this.
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Sometimes I wish there were more than 24 hours in a day, I'll say.
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But in terms of what we were just discussing with Taylor Swift, I think it goes back to
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what Ricky said in terms of being a beginning artist, it's all about leverage and it's all
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about bargaining power and your clout.
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So it's good for her that she has that following because it's not easy to do that when you're
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just starting out.
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And you know, there's people in the industry that want to take advantage of you, right?
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There's a lot of ways to get screwed over in this industry and very few ways to be successful.
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So well, we all have to learn to protect ourselves, right?
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But I, you know, I mean, in the beginning, yeah, exactly.
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Actually I heard I was telling Kimmy, I was like, you know, I think I heard Taylor Swift
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live in person, like by accident in like 2012, I went to a Beethoven concert in Chicago,
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you know, this like very famous music festival and the concert hall was, you know, beautiful
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and this person was playing all Beethoven.
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The concert hall was empty.
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And I'm like, what is happening in the beginning?
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That's the story of classical music.
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Clouting for Taylor Swift because she had a show right after.
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So people even bought a ticket for the concert left early to listen to her.
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And you know, I didn't know who she was yet.
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Who is this big person?
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Why is she like, but then I realized it was Taylor Swift, you know.
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But yeah, but in the beginning, you know, and I see this a lot with classical musicians
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too, you know, we're again, I mean, we're big too, right?
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Because we have to work our whole entire life for this livelihood of whatever.
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And then, you know, I have friends that are like, I wouldn't say very respected composers,
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you know.
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But it's, I see the struggle, you know, they are self-funding, you know, they compose their
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own music, they even record with the orchestra.
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Sometimes they even play the solo part with the orchestra, yet not only, you know, paying
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the orchestra or whatever when you are publishing the book, publishing the score, you know,
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publishing the CD after whatever years, you know, and they are supposedly pretty big deal,
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yet it's all self-funding, you know.
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And these are people who even actually get to do it.
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I'm just curious, how do you think, what could, you know, do you ever work with classical
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musicians?
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First of all, Ricky, have you dealt with anything like this?
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You know, how can they even protect themselves?
478
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:33,720
I have not worked with classical musicians.
479
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:38,440
I think, again, the space that I'm in, the town that I'm in, I think it's just relatively
480
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:39,440
rare.
481
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,520
I am not, I am wholeheartedly for working with classical musicians.
482
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,360
It's a big plug for me.
483
00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:50,400
But that being said, I mean, I think that the plight of a classical musician, while
484
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:55,440
probably more severe because of the industry, is not an uncommon one.
485
00:26:55,440 --> 00:27:00,480
Whereas I think that a lot of songwriters and artists and musicians, it's difficult.
486
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:07,280
It's difficult to break through and to understand the ins and outs and really the pitfalls of
487
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,000
this industry because there are a lot of pitfalls.
488
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:10,000
There's a lot to learn.
489
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,000
There's a lot to understand.
490
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:15,920
And at the same time, kind of like you mentioned earlier, maybe before the podcast, like your
491
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,120
focus really needs to be on honing your craft.
492
00:27:18,120 --> 00:27:22,040
I mean, how can you be the best you can be if you have to learn about copyright law,
493
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:23,040
touring, merchandise?
494
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:24,600
I mean, how could you do that?
495
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:25,600
It's nearly impossible.
496
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:30,160
And that's why I think, you know, some of the pieces of advice that I'll give to newer
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00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,640
musicians or artists is you have to build a team.
498
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,640
You know, and early on, that is difficult.
499
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,480
I mean, it's very difficult, but it has to be one of your biggest priorities because
500
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:46,560
then you can let somebody else work on that stuff that you don't necessarily want to or
501
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,000
need to be working on.
502
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:52,720
You know, I think typically in at least in the space outside of classical, I'm not exactly
503
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:56,840
familiar with classical, but typically you want to start with like a manager or a lawyer.
504
00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:00,480
Those are one of the two first people you do because it almost starts out in necessity,
505
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:01,480
right?
506
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:05,880
I think everyone tries to go through it alone off the get go because your receipts are so
507
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,080
small, you know, that you need to.
508
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,880
You need to do it yourself so that you can keep that and feed yourself.
509
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,000
And I think everyone or most people understand that.
510
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,360
But at some point you will get to a level either because you're touring or because your
511
00:28:18,360 --> 00:28:21,840
opportunities become great enough and the risk is high enough that you need to start
512
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:28,840
bringing in third parties and need to not be afraid to let someone else share that burden.
513
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,800
You know, that's what we're here for.
514
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:36,120
You know, and I think a lot of that too is don't be too quick to build that team either.
515
00:28:36,120 --> 00:28:40,160
It's important to build that it's like dating, right?
516
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:44,920
I mean, you need to go out there and you can't, you don't just want to like get on a dating
517
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,560
app, find the first person you think you look like and let's go and be like, all right,
518
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:49,560
we're married.
519
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,040
Like that's typically how divorce might work.
520
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,360
Sometimes you get lucky, but sometimes you won't.
521
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:59,000
And finding your team, whether it's your manager, your artist, your agent, any of that, it's
522
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:00,720
the same way you have to go out.
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00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,320
You have to interview, get coffees, get dinners, talk to people.
524
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,760
If you put in the work early on to find someone who's going to really believe in you in your
525
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:12,080
career, that'll pay dividends down the road, but it needs to get done.
526
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,120
And I think that's kind of the biggest piece of advice for the younger attorneys is, or
527
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:19,080
younger attorneys, excuse me, and not even attorneys, newer artists.
528
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,960
And I say newer versus younger because I think people like to use the term young artists
529
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:24,420
or baby artists.
530
00:29:24,420 --> 00:29:28,720
As y'all might know, I mean, artists range in all ages.
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00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:32,440
There is, you know, you can have a young artist, you can have old artists, they can still be
532
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:33,440
new.
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00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:38,840
So I say relative to the new artist and saying, as soon as you can build that team, and as
534
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:43,200
soon as you can do that, you know, as soon as you're feeling the pressure of like, the
535
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:47,720
administrative stuff is becoming too much for me to deal with, build that team.
536
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:54,200
You will see your career take off and allow yourself to focus on your craft and not have
537
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:58,920
to worry about all of the millions of other things that go on behind the scenes.
538
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:00,400
That's actually very well said.
539
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:01,400
Yeah.
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00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,360
And you know, that's actually a good reminder because as musicians, we're so used to doing
541
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:06,920
everything on our own, right?
542
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:07,920
We are told that you have to pay.
543
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:08,920
We're small businesses.
544
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,760
You know, I mean, you're paying them to them.
545
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:19,320
And also, you know, it's very difficult to really make the payment, you know, or get
546
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:20,620
paid in the beginning.
547
00:30:20,620 --> 00:30:23,920
So you just feel like, and we are told to always work hard.
548
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:29,520
So you know, sometimes you're forgetting that you actually could have people help you out
549
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,560
and you know, maybe eventually with better benefit later.
550
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,480
Yeah, think of it as an investment, right?
551
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,280
Because it's an expense at first.
552
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:41,760
But like Ricky said, if these people believe in you and it's a good team that you have
553
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,320
on your back, it's worth it in the future in the long term.
554
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:46,320
Yeah.
555
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:52,760
And Julie, I'm curious, are you, do you, you have done some albums recently, right?
556
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:54,120
What was the...
557
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,120
Just that first single release.
558
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:57,120
Okay.
559
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:58,680
How did that come together?
560
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,760
Like did you have to find a team of people?
561
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,240
I mean, you know, that's...
562
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,920
Yeah, that's interesting that you ask.
563
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:10,640
I didn't have a team at the time because it was my very first release.
564
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:16,880
The single was based from a friendship, out of a friendship that I had with the arranger
565
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,840
slash producer of the piece.
566
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,920
It was an old composition actually that had already been recorded.
567
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,720
So for me, it was an opportunity to just jump on it.
568
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:35,080
It had never been released and to finish the production myself, to record my vocals and
569
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:36,080
release it that way.
570
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:41,320
And that's how I started learning about all these different aspects to being an artist.
571
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:46,320
Because it's self-funded, like you said, it's also self-promotion, right?
572
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:51,080
Because you can release a song and you record it, but it doesn't mean anything if you don't
573
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,400
have a good marketing team.
574
00:31:54,400 --> 00:32:01,480
So everything... and what makes things more complicated too is that the industry is also
575
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,840
radically changing, right?
576
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,360
And I'm sure Ricky can speak to that as well.
577
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:10,240
I'm reading a book right now, All You Need to Know with the Music Business by Donald
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00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:11,240
Passman.
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00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:16,240
And I find it funny that every other paragraph he says, oh, don't rely on this, take it with
580
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,000
a grain of salt because by the time you read it, it might be out of date.
581
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,760
It's like, okay, can I rely on anything?
582
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:28,000
If I could touch on that, I've read two versions of that book.
583
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:32,720
Donald Passman is a genius because he writes a very important book in an industry that
584
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,120
changes every two years.
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00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:39,200
And so he can write a new version of the book and you have no choice but to buy the new
586
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:40,200
version.
587
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:41,200
Right.
588
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:42,200
Genius, right?
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00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:43,200
Because there's actually... it's funny.
590
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,680
I remember when I had the original version, I ended up giving the original version to
591
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:50,320
one of the bands that I managed early on in my career because it was just kind of like
592
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:51,840
a parting gift.
593
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,480
And when I joined this firm, I was like, I've got to get that book again, thinking it would
594
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:56,480
be the same book.
595
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,320
And it was night and day different.
596
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:02,480
I mean, he truly does put a lot of work to make sure things are up to date, but he does
597
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,200
qualify the entire time being like, this is probably going to change by the time you read
598
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:07,200
this.
599
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:12,840
So I think he started giving website links at least to try to keep things up to date.
600
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:16,720
But yeah, that man is a genius because if I could write a book in an industry that changes
601
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,320
every couple of years, then I'll be set for life.
602
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,240
Yeah, you don't have to take on any more clients.
603
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:23,240
Yeah, exactly.
604
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:24,240
That is... yeah.
605
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:30,160
I mean, that's, you know, again, these things we don't even really think about as much,
606
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:31,160
you know, as musicians.
607
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:36,880
Yeah, because you're focusing on working on becoming a better musician, right?
608
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,280
It's one thing to do the art and it's another thing to do all the business stuff.
609
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:41,280
Exactly.
610
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:42,280
Yeah.
611
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:43,280
And they especially...
612
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:47,800
I don't want to say especially, but being a classical musician and in training is so
613
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,440
specific, you know what I mean?
614
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,760
So focused and it takes such a long time.
615
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:57,080
So there's no... actually no time for anything else to do.
616
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:58,080
Yeah.
617
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:03,640
Anyway, so you spoke about so rapidly changing this music industry.
618
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:11,160
So I'm just curious, what sort of effect did the pandemic had to musicians?
619
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:18,240
Obviously, a lot of us lost jobs and music is all about, you know, people gathering and
620
00:34:18,240 --> 00:34:22,220
enjoy the live music.
621
00:34:22,220 --> 00:34:25,040
So right now we're coming out of pandemic.
622
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,400
What's the change do you see as an attorney?
623
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:33,160
Yeah, I mean, there's so many ways to answer that question.
624
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:38,200
So obviously the pandemic itself was difficult on so many people, but especially the entertainment
625
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,440
industry and there was no area of the entertainment industry that wasn't affected.
626
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,920
I mean, the live performing space was decimated.
627
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:45,920
Artists who...
628
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,600
A lot of artists structure their deals such that they make a good chunk of their money
629
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:55,320
off of touring and couldn't do any sorts of tours.
630
00:34:55,320 --> 00:35:00,640
And also it's funny, the number of artists who, because of touring being so important,
631
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:05,440
were so used to just touring every year around the same time, sometimes most months of the
632
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:10,840
year and now they're stuck home and they're like, what do I do with myself?
633
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,640
And so I think there's a couple of ways to answer that.
634
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:18,920
One just from a practical standpoint, what we saw as attorneys early on the pandemic
635
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:26,040
and throughout the pandemic was because people were stuck at home, there was a lot more songwriting
636
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:27,880
and production going on.
637
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:32,920
So in pre-pandemic and probably we'll see this again post-pandemic is when you are on
638
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:39,600
tour and you're just busy doing tour dates, touring performances, doing just any sort
639
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,720
of talk shows or whatever.
640
00:35:41,720 --> 00:35:46,880
I mean, you try your best to write songs when you're on the bus, when you're on the plane,
641
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:47,880
but it's difficult.
642
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:48,880
It's tough.
643
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:49,880
It's a grind.
644
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:51,280
That life is very hard.
645
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:57,240
And same deal, you try to produce those tracks in the one to two weeks you're home, but query
646
00:35:57,240 --> 00:36:01,040
whether that's enough time to really get a product that you are proud of and really kind
647
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,840
of can feel that this is what you wanted.
648
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:11,360
When you have nine months to sit at home and nothing else to do but write and produce and
649
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:15,960
master the tracks, you start to get products that I think, and you have to build repertoire
650
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:20,840
products that you can now say, okay, this is where I want it to be.
651
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,360
Now, make no mistake, that was not easy either.
652
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,220
A lot of songwriters are collaborators.
653
00:36:26,220 --> 00:36:27,360
They want to work with other people.
654
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:31,440
And so songwriting over Zoom was a hard thing for a lot of people because they're used to
655
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,640
being in a room together and building that bond and that relationship, building a song
656
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:35,640
off of that.
657
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:36,640
You can't do that during the pandemic.
658
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,000
You couldn't have done it in the beginning.
659
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:43,320
Now what I think, I'm going to be optimistic, Ricky, for a second.
660
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:49,480
I believe that because of that, I think we're going to see sort of a golden age of music
661
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:50,600
for a little while.
662
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:57,320
I think people have now built their repertoire of songs and masters in a way that they could
663
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:02,640
not do for a long time because of touring, because of other obligations, but I think
664
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,120
we're going to see that music come to light in the next five years.
665
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:07,600
And I think it's going to be amazing.
666
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:08,600
I think it's going to be excellent.
667
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,120
That's the silver lining.
668
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:15,160
I remember during the pandemic, I was hanging out with a friend of mine who's a tour manager
669
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:16,520
for a big country artist.
670
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:20,120
And we were just talking about how tough it was and what was going on and what things
671
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:21,360
were going to look like.
672
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:25,160
And I remember, I think he was going to say, he's like, I don't know, I just feel like
673
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,000
if we can come out of this, it's going to be amazing.
674
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:32,880
I think we're going to see a rejuvenation of the industry in a way that would not have
675
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:38,360
happened had the pandemic not happened because everyone was just go, go, go on the same schedule
676
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:42,520
that we couldn't have time for this creation, this pure creation.
677
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,600
So I think that's going to be a really cool thing that's going to happen.
678
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:49,520
In terms of the industry generally, I think a couple of things have also changed.
679
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:54,680
Streaming, which has always kind of grown in the last decade, 10 years ago was, man,
680
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:55,680
you can't make money off of streaming.
681
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:56,680
It's so difficult.
682
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,400
We'll never get there.
683
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,920
I think that that was steadily becoming more and more and more and more great.
684
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,920
I think the pandemic sped that up a little bit because people were at home, couldn't
685
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:08,800
go to live shows, but you still need that music.
686
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,000
You still need that emotional component to get to today.
687
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:13,340
And so people would stream.
688
00:38:13,340 --> 00:38:15,640
They would stream music more and more and more and more.
689
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:21,520
And people were finding creative ways to add music to their video streams, which is another
690
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,060
source of income for songwriters.
691
00:38:23,060 --> 00:38:28,920
And so I think that we have now ripped the band-aid off a little more on making that
692
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,960
a more productive source of revenue for musicians and songwriters.
693
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:34,480
And again, I think that was always going to happen.
694
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:39,600
I've been a big believer in streaming for a long time, but I do think it helped people
695
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:43,120
who wouldn't have assimilated to that world get more on board.
696
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:44,120
So that's really good.
697
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:49,400
In terms of the deal side, I also think there was a bit of a kumbaya moment in the industry.
698
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:53,800
I don't know, I'm not sure in the query how long this will stay, but I do think there was
699
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:55,800
a moment of like, we are in this together.
700
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,840
If we're going to get through this, we have to do it together.
701
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:04,120
And so I think a lot of the deals, there was a shift in the pendulum of more artist-friendly
702
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:10,040
deals of labels and publishers being like, okay, we all need to try to focus on making
703
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,520
sure we are all healthy and going to get this through.
704
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:16,760
And as attorneys, we were seeing some more favorable deal terms that I think sometimes
705
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:18,360
we wouldn't have got pre-pandemic.
706
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:23,400
A lot of these companies, towing companies, record labels, publishing companies lost a
707
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,400
lot of money during the pandemic.
708
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:29,600
So query whether that pendulum will shift back the other way as they start to recoup
709
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,560
or trying to get some of those profits.
710
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:36,280
But at least for the time being, I think there is a moment of like, how can we make everyone
711
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:40,440
successful as we come out of this pandemic?
712
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:45,960
And as someone who has clients on both sides of that aisle, I love to see it, right?
713
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,480
I want everyone to be successful.
714
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:54,000
I want the money to be spread around so that people can both make money off their trade,
715
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,640
but also help make artistic money and get compensated for that.
716
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,840
And so we'll see, we'll see where that goes.
717
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,040
But it's a very, very interesting time to be in this industry.
718
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,040
I mean, it's always an interesting time to be in this industry because like Angle, like
719
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:08,840
you mentioned, it's always changing.
720
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:10,280
It's never static.
721
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:14,360
Even if we wanted it to be static, it never could.
722
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:18,280
But I think it's very interesting because of everything going on and also because of
723
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:19,280
new technologies, right?
724
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:26,160
I mean, TikTok became huge over the pandemic and artists are finding ways to make that
725
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:31,240
another big source of income and are becoming influencers in a way that they might not have
726
00:40:31,240 --> 00:40:36,560
considered prior to the pandemic and finding ways to become brand marketers in ways they
727
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,720
wouldn't have considered before the pandemic.
728
00:40:38,720 --> 00:40:44,400
We have a client that is in that space that helps connect artists with influencers to
729
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:48,040
help create their brand and build their brand.
730
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:49,040
That client is called Soundfluencer.
731
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:50,760
So look out for them, but they-
732
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:51,760
Soundfluencer.
733
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:52,760
That's interesting.
734
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:53,760
Soundfluencer.
735
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:59,600
And they have a couple of different companies, but they're doing, in my opinion, they're
736
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:04,560
doing God's work in terms of helping communities that normally probably wouldn't connect, right?
737
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:09,120
Before the pandemic, if an influencer wanted a song, they're just going to look on TikTok
738
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:14,480
at what songs TikTok has license for and just promote that because it's a good song.
739
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:18,680
Now you've got companies that are bringing musicians and influencers together to say,
740
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:23,720
hey, how can we both make some money off of this and grow our brand together?
741
00:41:23,720 --> 00:41:26,320
Which again, you love to see it.
742
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:27,320
This is amazing.
743
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:28,320
Really.
744
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:33,280
It's almost like I'm touched by this conversation to see actually both sides, especially seeing
745
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:40,080
you, how passionate you are to not only helping the industry, but the artists really.
746
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:45,000
I do feel even with this Taylor Swift movement, right?
747
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:52,080
People starting to appreciate or honor or respect the artists, I think probably more
748
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:57,560
than Euro, more than past at least.
749
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:01,800
I was always thinking, historically speaking, right?
750
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:05,640
My main hero is Bach, right?
751
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:11,520
He worked every single day of his life and his wife still died in poverty, right?
752
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,440
That's just like sort of a normal thing.
753
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:20,480
Mozart, which everybody felt he was poor when he was, but he just was not very good at collecting
754
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:24,840
payment or right away and those things happen.
755
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,560
But I think Beethoven had already started learning.
756
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:34,880
I mean, up to this day, Clara Schumann, she had to publish under her husband's name.
757
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:41,040
But I feel like modern days, we are still in a way a little clueless.
758
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:47,120
Classical music, again, we are classical musicians, so that's the world we are in our whole life.
759
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:48,360
We are learning.
760
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:55,560
We are learning to not only come out of this classical world, but our children, our students,
761
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:56,560
right?
762
00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:01,760
They grew up studying classical music, but at some point they are curious of other things
763
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,920
and we want them to be curious of other things.
764
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:11,880
And so Ricky, what's your advice for younger, like really, really, really young musicians,
765
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:16,920
let's say the teenagers or, you know, what's the future of this entertainment that you
766
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,760
see being in the future?
767
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:26,160
I think that the younger, younger generation has a benefit that past generations have not
768
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:30,840
had in the sense that they are used to things changing very quickly, right?
769
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:35,760
With the advent of technology, social media, cell phones, everything like that, right?
770
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:39,860
They're used to having a brand new technology every year, every other year.
771
00:43:39,860 --> 00:43:44,960
And so I would say for them is like, lean into that new technology and learn as much
772
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,760
as you can while you have the time.
773
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:51,960
And now that's not to say, because I think I can at least partially remember being in
774
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,080
middle school and high school and you don't have a lot of time, right?
775
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:58,920
You're getting shepherded around, you have to go to lessons and classes and sports and
776
00:43:58,920 --> 00:43:59,920
I get that.
777
00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:08,880
But to the extent you can, I think that the younger generation has a better grasp and
778
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,720
a better adoption rate of those new technologies.
779
00:44:11,720 --> 00:44:15,520
And so to the extent you can pay attention to those new technologies and how can they
780
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:20,000
potentially affect your career, do that and learn as much as possible.
781
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,720
A good example of that is kind of the blockchain NFT space, right?
782
00:44:23,720 --> 00:44:29,280
I mean, that space is going to, I believe it'll take a long time, but it's going to
783
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:33,960
revolutionize the way the industry especially does royalty payments.
784
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:35,960
I saw the article.
785
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:36,960
Yeah.
786
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:37,960
Yeah.
787
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:42,440
Well, when you have a distributed ledger that's public and decentralized that when you have
788
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:47,000
enough people kind of bought into that concept, instead of, you know, it's funny you had mentioned
789
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:48,800
that Mozart was just bad at collecting.
790
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:52,040
Well, I think a lot of musicians have that problem, right?
791
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:55,400
They have that problem of like, yeah, I signed this deal, but unless I have a business manager
792
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:59,200
that's like pounding on doors, who's collecting my sync licenses?
793
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,520
Who's collecting my, you know, performance stuff?
794
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:06,440
You know, you need a good tour manager to make sure they're collecting those payments.
795
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:12,840
Well, if we can put all of that in a technology that does it automatically, then you don't
796
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:14,080
need to worry about getting paid.
797
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:19,880
You know, you play a show, the venue records that in an app and automatically the payment
798
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:21,800
hits your bank account.
799
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,720
You have a copyright, you record that on the blockchain.
800
00:45:24,720 --> 00:45:30,560
You know, some of that copyright gets input into a Spotify song, that song gets played,
801
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:31,560
you get paid automatically.
802
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,120
I mean, there are ways that that can happen.
803
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:38,120
And I think that that, I think unfortunately that's probably a long way away because of
804
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:42,800
how many people in the industry have to buy into that concept and different parties, right?
805
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:47,080
You need publishers, you need recording labels, you need tech companies, you need Congress.
806
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:51,600
I mean, everyone needs to, I mean, we saw how long the Music Modernization Act took,
807
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:52,600
right?
808
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:58,120
I mean, that was a 10 plus year process of trying to get even minimal change in the copyright
809
00:45:58,120 --> 00:45:59,120
law.
810
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:02,920
So make no mistake, what I'm describing isn't a tomorrow concept, but it's a concept that's
811
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:04,720
going to affect younger artists.
812
00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:09,880
And to the extent they can be bought in to that concept early on, the better and quicker
813
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:10,880
they can adopt it.
814
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:16,400
And I think the more successful they will be both from a artist standpoint, but also
815
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,640
from a making money off your art standpoint.
816
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:23,160
So that would be my advice is just lean into, lean into technologies in the way you can,
817
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,440
the more you can keep up to date with what's happening in those technologies, the better
818
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:28,320
off I think you'll be.
819
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:33,200
So for those young students listening, after they're practicing your skills, you can start
820
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,200
to think about this early.
821
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:40,120
I mean, New York children, you know, they are, I mean, I'm on the upper side.
822
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:43,920
Sometimes I, you talk to them, I feel like they're older than me, you know, they are
823
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,080
so mature in their mindset.
824
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:51,160
And it's partially because of YouTube, because of TikTok, you know, they hear these things,
825
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:52,160
but they're a little lost.
826
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:57,000
I sometimes feel, you know, and which we felt that way ourselves, I'm sure, you know, when
827
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,960
we're younger, like, why do I practice like for all these hours?
828
00:46:59,960 --> 00:47:00,960
Right.
829
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:05,960
And then, but I think they have a little better guidance in a way because of the technology.
830
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,720
And as you're saying, maybe you should look at that app.
831
00:47:08,720 --> 00:47:15,640
That would be amazing if artists could get paid as soon as the work is done.
832
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:16,640
I think it'll happen.
833
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:21,720
And like I said, it's tough and it's difficult, but just to the extent that you can, you know,
834
00:47:21,720 --> 00:47:26,640
you have some free time instead of just scrolling TikTok, you know, scroll some blogs on NFTs
835
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:31,440
or the music industry, you know, get on billboard and just kind of make sure you're keeping
836
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:32,440
up to date.
837
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:36,520
Because the more you can do that, the more prepared you will be as things shift.
838
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:38,600
You know, you don't want to get left behind.
839
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,400
You want to be an early adopter in those products.
840
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,840
And to be fair, oftentimes they are right.
841
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:49,560
I mean, you know, self-distribution through concepts like CD Baby, right?
842
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:52,600
Like that's a relatively new topic.
843
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:57,560
But overwhelmingly, the people that I see that are using that are younger artists, are
844
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:58,560
artists who are used to...
845
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:01,280
Hey, my teacher, I see him record his CD from CD Baby.
846
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,480
He is only 20-80, you know, so...
847
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:04,480
Well, and exactly.
848
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:08,240
That's not to say that it's just younger artists, but just in my experience, it's typically
849
00:48:08,240 --> 00:48:11,760
younger artists because they're used to using the internet to get what they want.
850
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:12,760
Right.
851
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:18,680
And I think older artists are a little more wary of the new technology and would rather
852
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,600
do it the more traditional way for better or for worse.
853
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:25,560
Not to say that there aren't more experienced artists that see the benefit and are doing
854
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:27,000
it because they definitely are.
855
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:31,960
But I think that that is a good example of like, I think regardless, younger artists
856
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:33,560
are going to use those technologies.
857
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,840
So just don't get left in the dust kind of thing.
858
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:37,840
That's true.
859
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:38,840
Oh my gosh.
860
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,240
What an amazing conversation we had this morning.
861
00:48:41,240 --> 00:48:42,240
Thank you so much.
862
00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:43,240
Oh, yeah.
863
00:48:43,240 --> 00:48:44,240
Very inspiring.
864
00:48:44,240 --> 00:48:45,240
Thank you.
865
00:48:45,240 --> 00:48:47,240
Oh, thank you for having me on.
866
00:48:47,240 --> 00:48:48,440
Yeah, thank you.
867
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,520
So are we ready?
868
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:52,000
Are we ready for the rapid fire?
869
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:53,000
We're going to wake up.
870
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:54,000
I don't know what to do.
871
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:55,000
Have you called me yet?
872
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:56,000
Oh my goodness.
873
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:57,000
So...
874
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:02,080
Oh, we have one, so we'll see.
875
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:08,520
Make sure the answer, each answer has to be the shortest answer possible.
876
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:10,480
And I'm so glad you guys both are on.
877
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,840
So fight for an answer, just shout it.
878
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:17,120
So I'm going to say a question and Yuki Mi will say another question.
879
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,400
So we're just going to pop, pop, pop.
880
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:20,400
Are we ready?
881
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:21,400
It's on, Ricky.
882
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:22,400
All right.
883
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:23,400
So let's go.
884
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:26,400
Ricky, what's your comfort food?
885
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,280
Chinese food, like, well, American Chinese food.
886
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:30,280
Of course.
887
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:34,080
I studied abroad in Singapore and I know there's a huge difference.
888
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:35,440
Actually, you know what?
889
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,040
I'm going to clarify that one more.
890
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:39,040
Dim sum.
891
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:40,040
Dim sum.
892
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:41,040
Great.
893
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,280
What about you, Aguiliki?
894
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:44,280
French fries.
895
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:45,280
All right.
896
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:48,520
So my question, cats or dogs?
897
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:49,520
Dogs.
898
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:50,520
Dogs.
899
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:51,520
Wow.
900
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:52,520
That's a...
901
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:53,520
You guys are...
902
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:55,320
You sing with each other.
903
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,000
What is your word or words to live by?
904
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:01,400
It's a great day to be alive.
905
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:02,400
Ooh.
906
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:03,400
Nice one.
907
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:09,120
No matter how hard the day is, it's better than the alternative.
908
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:10,120
It's getting big.
909
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:11,120
I love that.
910
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:12,120
Wow.
911
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:13,120
Nice one.
912
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:14,120
Okay.
913
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:17,120
What is the most important quality you look for in people?
914
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:18,120
Modesty.
915
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:19,120
Trustworthiness.
916
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:20,120
Yeah.
917
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:21,120
Honestly, trustworthiness.
918
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:22,120
Have you rehearsed?
919
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:23,120
I know.
920
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:24,120
No, we have not.
921
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:30,120
What is the worst quality in people you want to stay away from?
922
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:31,120
Greediness.
923
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:32,120
Yeah.
924
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:35,120
I think greediness are just like dishonesty.
925
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:40,840
I mean, the exact opposite I think is just if you think someone is giving you one thing
926
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:44,560
to your face and something to someone else's face, it's just so hard to build trust in
927
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:45,560
a relationship.
928
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:49,600
We're so lucky to have you guys as lawyers in this world.
929
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:50,600
Okay.
930
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:52,120
Next one.
931
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:56,280
Name three people who inspire you, living or dead.
932
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:59,280
Ella Fitzgerald.
933
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:00,280
And then...
934
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:01,280
Go ahead.
935
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:02,280
Ella and then...
936
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:03,280
Oprah.
937
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:04,280
Oprah.
938
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:05,280
Oprah.
939
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:06,280
One more.
940
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:07,280
And Nana Muscari.
941
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,280
She's a great part of it.
942
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:10,280
Okay.
943
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:11,280
Beautiful.
944
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:12,280
Ricky.
945
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:13,280
Yeah.
946
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:16,880
I will keep mine a little more personal, except for one.
947
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:21,040
So one, I read Jay-Z's biography and it was actually quite fascinating.
948
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:26,600
I think that he doesn't get enough credit for how much he's done for music as a whole
949
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:28,960
and how far he's come.
950
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:30,200
So I think he's pretty inspiring.
951
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:35,760
But for me, it's my grandparents, both on my mom's side and dad's side, they immigrated
952
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,920
from Puerto Rico and Cuba respectively.
953
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:42,680
And just hearing those stories and kind of what they had to fight to give me the life
954
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:46,040
I had is just amazing.
955
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:47,400
And then probably my wife.
956
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:51,040
I mean, I think that we've been together since 2009.
957
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:53,800
I've seen and grown a lot.
958
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:58,960
And I wouldn't be anywhere where I am right now if it wasn't for her guidance and honestly
959
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:00,600
like just pushing me.
960
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:01,600
That's beautiful.
961
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:02,600
All right.
962
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:11,600
So which historic figure do you wish to learn or take lessons from if he or she were alive?
963
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:12,600
Historical figure.
964
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:16,280
I will just, I'm sure there's a billion that I could say.
965
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:23,120
I will say I recently read George Washington's biography and quickly realized that I think
966
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:26,560
he's a much more complex figure than people entirely realize.
967
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:29,720
I think it would just be fascinating to sit in a room with him and just pick his brain
968
00:52:29,720 --> 00:52:30,720
and a couple of things.
969
00:52:30,720 --> 00:52:31,720
I think that would be interesting.
970
00:52:31,720 --> 00:52:32,720
What about you, Gaby?
971
00:52:32,720 --> 00:52:33,720
I don't know.
972
00:52:33,720 --> 00:52:34,720
I'm blanking.
973
00:52:34,720 --> 00:52:35,720
Do I just have to pick one?
974
00:52:35,720 --> 00:52:40,720
You can pick as many as you want, but we're not.
975
00:52:40,720 --> 00:52:41,720
Give us one.
976
00:52:41,720 --> 00:52:42,720
I don't know.
977
00:52:42,720 --> 00:52:43,720
Let's keep going.
978
00:52:43,720 --> 00:52:44,720
I'm blanking.
979
00:52:44,720 --> 00:52:48,320
We'll come back to you.
980
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:49,320
Yes.
981
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:50,320
Okay.
982
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:54,920
So next, which historical figure do you wish to hang out with at the bar if she or she
983
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:55,920
were alive?
984
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:56,920
And Grickey, do you have to answer?
985
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:57,920
Who do you want to party with?
986
00:52:57,920 --> 00:52:58,920
I don't know.
987
00:52:58,920 --> 00:52:59,920
What figure at the bar?
988
00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:00,920
At the bar.
989
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:01,920
This is such serious.
990
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:02,920
Now I see the lawyer faces coming.
991
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:03,920
Yeah, right.
992
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:04,920
Now we're getting the gears turning.
993
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,920
I guess I don't think about historical figures as much as I thought I would.
994
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:08,920
Yeah.
995
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,920
It's more like a classical musician kind of question.
996
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:12,920
That's right.
997
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:13,920
I was just going to say.
998
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:14,920
Yeah.
999
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:15,920
I was going to say.
1000
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:16,920
The only thing I can think of is the historical figure.
1001
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:17,920
I don't know.
1002
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:18,920
I don't know.
1003
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:19,920
I don't know.
1004
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:20,920
I don't know.
1005
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:21,920
I don't know.
1006
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:22,920
I don't know.
1007
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:23,920
I don't know.
1008
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:25,920
I was going to say.
1009
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:26,920
The only thing about people.
1010
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:27,920
I would love to chill with Rachmaninoff.
1011
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:28,920
I mean, is he a historical figure?
1012
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:29,920
Alright.
1013
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:30,920
Yeah.
1014
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:31,920
Yeah.
1015
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:32,920
Yeah.
1016
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:33,920
Yeah.
1017
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:34,920
You can't, you know.
1018
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:35,920
Sounds good.
1019
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:36,920
Probably sit on his hand speaking off as a student.
1020
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:37,920
Oh my gosh.
1021
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,920
Yeah, I guess it depends on how far back you go.
1022
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:43,920
I mean, I would love to hang out with Elvis Presley.
1023
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:44,920
Hang out with him.
1024
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:45,920
Bar I'm sure he's got some stories.
1025
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:46,920
Oh yeah.
1026
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,920
I feel like he would just be a character.
1027
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:51,920
He would totally be.
1028
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:52,920
Yeah.
1029
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:54,920
Name one piece in your current playlist.
1030
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:56,920
I'm sure that's easy.
1031
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:57,920
Oh my God.
1032
00:53:57,920 --> 00:53:59,920
Switched by Corey Henry.
1033
00:53:59,920 --> 00:54:00,920
Okay.
1034
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:02,920
Oh, I see.
1035
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:03,920
We have to.
1036
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:06,920
We're going to keep all of this in our Spotify favorite list.
1037
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:07,920
Yes.
1038
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:08,920
Go ahead.
1039
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:09,920
Ricky.
1040
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:13,920
For me, it's, I mean, it's the entire Machine Gun Kelly album recently.
1041
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:14,920
I don't know why it struck a chord.
1042
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:18,920
I think it's because it came out during the pandemic and it reminded me of like simpler
1043
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:19,920
times.
1044
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:24,920
I enjoyed punk rock and it was a very much punk rock heavy album.
1045
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:28,920
And it was, it was the first album in a long time that like, because I usually have to
1046
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:32,920
listen to albums a couple of times before I'm like, oh yes, I really do love this album.
1047
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:35,920
I always give an album at least two, if not three listens.
1048
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:39,920
But that album, it was like from the first chord.
1049
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:41,920
I was just like, and I was having a bad day.
1050
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:45,920
It was like deep in the pandemic and like things were looking pretty bleak.
1051
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:51,920
And I was like picking up the kitchen and like I just happened to press play and was
1052
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:55,920
just like, oh, and it just hit something for me.
1053
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:57,920
So that was one that I really, really enjoyed.
1054
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:01,920
It's on my playlist that I like to always tell people about.
1055
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:02,920
Okay.
1056
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:03,920
Great.
1057
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:08,920
So name one book title, name a book title you're currently reading.
1058
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,920
All you need to know about the music business.
1059
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:12,920
Oh yeah.
1060
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:14,920
Yeah, that's a good one.
1061
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:18,920
I just picked up the occasionally I like to read some science fiction.
1062
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:21,920
I just picked up the Dune series after watching the movie.
1063
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:22,920
Oh yeah.
1064
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:24,920
How was the movie?
1065
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:26,920
It was very, very well done.
1066
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:31,920
So much so that I immediately purchased the Kindle book because I was like, if the movie
1067
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:33,920
was that good, the book has to be phenomenal.
1068
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:34,920
And so far it's been great.
1069
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:36,920
Oh, wonderful.
1070
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:37,920
All right.
1071
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:41,920
Gosh, we have to check it out and our audience will check it out later.
1072
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:45,920
You got only one song or piece to listen to for the rest of your life.
1073
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:47,920
What is it?
1074
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:48,920
Sugar.
1075
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:49,920
We're going down swinging by fall out boy.
1076
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:50,920
Oh no.
1077
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:51,920
Wait.
1078
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:54,920
Oh, or I know it's a tough question.
1079
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:58,920
Um, what's the other one?
1080
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:00,920
What's the what's the big killer song?
1081
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:01,920
Mr.
1082
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:02,920
Brightside.
1083
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:03,920
I think Mr.
1084
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:05,920
Brightside by the killers is the it's one of those two.
1085
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:10,920
I think anytime that comes on, people who know me know that I will typically
1086
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:16,920
drop whatever I'm doing and go into a frenzy for better or for worse.
1087
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:17,920
Right.
1088
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:18,920
Check it out.
1089
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:19,920
Yeah, I know.
1090
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:20,920
I give a key word.
1091
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:23,920
I would say Sir Duke by Stevie Wonder.
1092
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:24,920
I can listen to him all day.
1093
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:25,920
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
1094
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:26,920
I saw your place.
1095
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:27,920
All day and all night.
1096
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:28,920
Excellent.
1097
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:29,920
Okay.
1098
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:31,920
So last question.
1099
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:33,920
This is fill in the blank.
1100
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,920
Law is blank.
1101
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:39,920
Complicated.
1102
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:41,920
I see myself as a.
1103
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:43,920
As a, as a somewhat of like a Sherpa.
1104
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:44,920
Kind of guiding people.
1105
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:45,920
Like, you know,
1106
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:46,920
Yeah.
1107
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:47,920
Like it's the key word.
1108
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:49,920
I think it's a good one.
1109
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:50,920
I love that.
1110
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:51,920
What about your Ricky?
1111
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:53,920
Is it, you said just one word answers?
1112
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:54,920
Um,
1113
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:55,920
Can be.
1114
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:56,920
A few words.
1115
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:57,920
Yeah.
1116
00:56:57,920 --> 00:56:58,920
I mean, I'd say.
1117
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:00,920
Like law is.
1118
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:01,920
Kind of.
1119
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:04,920
Deciphering the complicated to help people get to their goals.
1120
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:05,920
You know,
1121
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,920
I see myself as a, as a, as somewhat of like a Sherpa.
1122
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:09,920
I think it's a good one.
1123
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:10,920
Yeah.
1124
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:11,920
Like it's the crazy.
1125
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:12,920
It's not.
1126
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:13,920
It's complicated.
1127
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:15,920
But it's not anything anyone couldn't understand.
1128
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:17,920
It just requires the right teacher.
1129
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:18,920
Interpreter.
1130
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:19,920
Yeah.
1131
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:20,920
Yeah.
1132
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:21,920
Interpreter. Right.
1133
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:23,920
And I think that as our goal.
1134
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,920
At least my goal is to help interpret it to a way that the client
1135
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:27,920
feels comfortable.
1136
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:29,920
Um, I never.
1137
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:30,920
My goal is not to be an attorney.
1138
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:31,920
That's just like, here's the contract.
1139
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:32,920
Just take this and sign it.
1140
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:33,920
Yeah.
1141
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:34,920
Yeah.
1142
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:38,920
And then you can sign it to the client.
1143
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:39,920
I think if they find.
1144
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:40,920
Oh, go ahead.
1145
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:44,920
Oh, no. Yeah.
1146
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:46,920
I was going to say it's also important to avoid whenever you're talking
1147
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:48,920
to a client, you know, talking.
1148
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:51,920
Legal jargon. Cause we, we have our own language.
1149
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:52,920
It's always good to try to.
1150
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:57,920
Simplify it and explain it.
1151
00:57:57,920 --> 00:57:59,920
Like Donald Passman does in his book, right? About the music industry.
1152
00:57:59,920 --> 00:58:00,920
Same thing.
1153
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:01,920
Talk in layman terms.
1154
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,920
Yeah.
1155
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:05,920
It's the.
1156
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:05,920
Interpretation.
1157
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:05,920
Right.
1158
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:05,920
It's everything.
1159
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:09,920
Well, anyway, thank you so much guys for joining us this morning.
1160
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:10,920
Really, really early.
1161
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:11,920
And that concludes.
1162
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:13,920
Episode of the piano pot.
1163
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:14,920
Thank you.
1164
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:16,920
Attorney Hernandez and attorney.
1165
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:17,920
Thank you so much.
1166
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:18,920
You guys.
1167
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:19,920
Thank you for doing this.
1168
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:21,920
Your insights and expertise.
1169
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:22,920
And thank you.
1170
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:23,920
Our audience for tuning in.
1171
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:25,920
You can find more information on Mr.
1172
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:26,920
Hernandez.
1173
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:31,920
At the shackle.
1174
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:34,920
That a shuffle for that low profile.
1175
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:35,920
Ricardo Hernandez.
1176
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:38,920
We will link to his website.
1177
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:42,920
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1178
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:43,920
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1179
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:47,920
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1180
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:49,920
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1181
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:52,920
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1182
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:55,920
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1183
00:58:55,920 --> 00:59:00,920
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1184
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:06,920
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1185
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:10,920
We will see you for the next episode of the piano pot.
1186
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:11,920
Bye everyone.
1187
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:12,920
And thank you, Ricky.
1188
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:13,920
And thank you.
1189
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:14,920
Thank you.
1190
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:15,920
Thank you.
1191
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:16,920
Thank you.
1192
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:17,920
Thank you.
1193
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:18,920
Thank you.
1194
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:19,920
Thank you.
1195
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:20,920
Thank you.
1196
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:21,920
Thank you.
1197
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:22,920
Thank you.
1198
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:23,920
Thank you.
1199
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:24,920
Thank you.
1200
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:25,920
Thank you.
1201
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:54,920
Thank you.