56. The Deeper Reason You Still Feel Stuck (And How to Shift It) with Dave Asprey

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It kind of really just makes us aware of how many people day to day are operating with stress
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and anxiety. The numbers are now showing, you know, the levels of anxiety related disorders,
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amongst adults and children. The amount of prescription drugs that are being written year after year
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and it's not working like the numbers are going up. In your book, you talk about shifting from
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feeling anxious to this to feeling aligned. How do people shift from feeling anxious to align?
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And how can these brainwave science really understand what's happening?
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Well, if you have anxiety, your F words are off. So you can have fear or peace which is the
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opposite of fear. And this is the biggest source of energy. So you move out of fear by turning
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off your triggers with the reset process from heavily meditated. And then the next source of
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anxiety is food. So you might think you're eating healthy, but you probably aren't fully
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nourished in the right way. And you haven't trained your body to be perfectly safe and comfortable
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whether your stomach is full or empty. And the next step, where does friend?
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Community, like how do friends? And if you're saying, but I'm lonely, there's an epidemic of that.
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People don't, they're not members of clubs anymore. I said, go to a yoga class, find a try and do
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whatever it takes to do that and serve them. And fun enough, when you serve your community,
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it nourishes you as well. So it's about more peace, less fear, more nourishment, less hungry
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cravings, and less loneliness and more connection. And that will resolve anxiety reliably, but
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start with fear, start with triggers. Before we dive into today's episode, I wanted to say that
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wellness was never meant to be a solo journey. My name is Mona Sharma, celebrity nutritionist,
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Mona Sharma.com. Day welcome to rooted in wellness. Mona, I'm super happy to be here for you.
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Me too. I'm so excited to talk to you again. You've been such an inspiration to so many of the people
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that I've worked with. Before we dive in, you should know if this podcast really is inspired from
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my healing journey, which you know a bit about. So I always say Western medicine really helped me,
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but Eastern medicine really is what saved me. So to dive in, you know, all of these ancient wisdom
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practices that we have in our modern world and how we can become more rooted in them,
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what are some practices that you have every day? I have a feeling I know what one of them is going to be.
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How do you become more rooted in yourself, but mostly your inner wisdom that you have to heal?
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It's all about the coffee, really.
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I'm rising. You know, having a wake up ritual is really important and some people get a little
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obsessive about their wake up ritual. So mine is I set aside at least an hour and usually two
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hours to do something to improve myself. And it might be infrared sauna. It might be a cold
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plunge. It might be both. It might be any of the other technology around meditation or around
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biohacking that extends my life or increases my consciousness. Because into the day, anyone who
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starts biohacking becomes a longevity advocate and someone interested in consciousness. Because
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if you're going to live for hundreds of years, you might want to have a lot of energy and you
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might want to actually be kind and just be happy instead of being an angry person. Because angry
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people don't live longer and life sucks anyway. Yeah, seriously. So, you know, do you treat it like
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a checklist though? I have a feeling you have a couple things in your roster that you go to upon
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rising. The only critically important thing in the morning is light exposure. Because it sets
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the timing for your mitochondria, your circadian biology, you'll sleep better at night if you get
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some sunlight in the morning. So the most important thing is either red light and ideally full
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spectrum sunlight as early as I can when I wake up. And that always happens and coffee somehow
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always happens too. And with you and I honest those things, no matter who I have on the other end,
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the expert, the doctor that's sitting on the other side of this conversation,
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to date, I would say 99% of the things that they recommend have been free or they caught their
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nominal. And it's something that's so simple because to your point, what you just mentioned,
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some people treat their morning, you know, rooting practice as this checklist that they might not
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even feel is uprooting them. So as somebody who's gone through a healing journey, do you notice when
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there's certain practices that cause you to drift and become uprooted? That maybe they're the
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source of your inflammation and your lack of energy? Sure. I mean perfectionism is a major problem
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because you stress about it. But an un-unlisted or an un-acknowledged problem is believing
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something works when it doesn't. And I've had lots of times like that when I was 300 pounds
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in my 20s. Oh, I have chronic fatigue syndrome that I don't know about. So I'll go to the gym six
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days a week, 90 minutes a day, and I'll do it with all of my willpower. And I did that for a year
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and a half. Yeah. Never lost a pound. I started at 300 pounds. I finished at 300 pounds. I started
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with a 46 inch waist. I ended with a 46 inch waist. I did get stronger, but I was not helping my
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health. So believing something works without measuring it and tracking it, it's not a good idea
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because we have 100 plus years of people trying to sell you things that actually harm you so they
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can sell you other things that make you healthy. And if you just blindly believe, oh, working out
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more makes you lose weight. That is not the science. And there are angry influencers out there who
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will stand up and be like, you can cancel out your Snickers bar with a diet soda. They're angry because
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they think it works. And they do it. And it messes with their mitochondria.
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It's so true. I don't think it's a surprise or coincidence. People who've built
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these beautiful platforms and written so many books like you, it takes really going through
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something and like the introspection that's required in order for you to just ask questions
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about your physiology to understand what you need. And I really poke that more people just start
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to do that. You know, I have to share a little story just in terms of my connection with you.
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I've always looked up to you. Your books have been like a go-to for so many of my clients.
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And I love the signs of biohacking. I really do, but I would say that after COVID,
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after my heart surgeries, after going through miscarriages, after mold toxicity,
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you know, the word biohack for me or hacking, it just felt so aggressive.
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I hope that, let's see how this lands. But it really just like, it's caused me to just go
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on this journey back into myself and the messaging about nourishing your terrain and honoring
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your constitution and building your body's resilience back. And now the messaging with my clients
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is helping them understand that they are the healer. And what's fascinating in that. And now coming
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back to you and your work, is that I feel that this is so beautifully aligned with your book.
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Like I glued to every page. I feel like it aligns with me to, you know, maybe diving into this,
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would you say that you've shifted from the sessions of biohacking, which I know that you believe in.
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But there's an essence of brain peace. Or, you know, through heavily meditated,
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is it a journey that you've been on? I know that it's been about 10 years in the making. Tell us
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a little bit about that. Well, I wanted to bring a new mindset to the world. And it came about
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from two things. I started getting education from my elders. The leaders in the longevity field
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in the 1990s were considered to be crazy. Even though there were licensed doctors, just like
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Bobby Kennedy was considered crazy, except he was right. So they were mentoring me in my 20s.
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And they taught me the science of longevity. But I could get no one young to come. And at the
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same time, our sister organization to the nonprofit I ran was called the Institute for Noetic Sciences,
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which is studying esoteric phenomena. So part of my life, I'm hardcore Silicon Valley,
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work my ass off. The other part of it is the part that went to remote parts of Nepal and Tibet.
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The idea for bull proof coffee and biohacking came on the side of the holiest mountain in the world
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that takes five days driving in underroads to get there. I talked about Ayahuasca that I did in
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1999 where they're like, you're white. Why would you want to do that? Because it wasn't a tourist
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industry. You had to seek it out and find the shaman. So I've been on a spiritual path. But I will tell
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you, when I decided to start the biohacking movement, there had to be a word for people who
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can heal themselves, but can also upgrade themselves. I don't want to just be well.
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Like, I want to be so abundantly well that I am bursting with energy and I have the power to do
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all the things in the world that matter. And that I have the control, I have the power to do that.
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And it's not about willpower, the very definition of biohacking from day one, change the environment
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around you and inside of you. So you have full control of your own biology and your state.
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When you think about being your own healer, you're just getting going. I had to be my own healer too.
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It's cost about $300,000, maybe a half a million to really get rid of all the toxic mold
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and chronic fatigue and arthritis. Like all this stuff I was dealing with, it's a long list.
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It shouldn't cost that much. And I'm lucky I could have spent, I spent that. And I was desperate when
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I spent that. The other million and a half, actually it's about two million now that I've spent,
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that is extending my life. It is becoming more conscious than I could have become in one lifetime.
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Literally, if you meditate every day for 20 or 40 years, your brain will shift in a reliable way.
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You can do it in five days with computer. You can show your brain new states and I have spent six
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months of my life doing that. And it has changed the way I interact with with everyone and with
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myself and with the world. Problem is, if I say that all at once in the biohacking movement,
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trust me, when I tell you shine a laser on your brain, try earthing and put butter in your coffee.
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Oh, and do a nice bath. Oh, and intermittent fast. That was plenty. How many angry doctors are like,
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how dare you? And like now that I have heavily meditated, I'm like, if you can be triggered,
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it means. But when else has their finger on the trigger, but like there's only so much people will
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absorb. So I put the sprinkles of spirituality in there. And Mona, I really mean this. You're talking
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about healing journey. When are you done healing? And you're on another journey that's about
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radically expanding and improving yourself and tapping into the powers that you have that you don't
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know you have? Because that's not healing. That's evolving. It's transcending. It's enhancing.
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And it's being more than you ever thought you could be. Like healing is where it starts,
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but it's not where it ends. And I use biohacking in part because it allows consciousness and
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longevity to come together. It also accounts for epigenetics and creating an environment where you can
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heal. And it also, it gets people who would never listen to a healing journey. I come from Silicon
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Valley where I talk about the layers of your networking stack in your social life. And I have a
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spreadsheet to dislike like these are these are engineers, right? So you can go, hey engineer,
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would you like to have a blissful healing journey? Because they're just like no, you're dumb.
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Like what's the code for that? Show me evidence that it works. I showed them all evidence. I got
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them to try it and they felt different. And now they went on a healing journey. And now they're
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all biohackers. And if you become a biohacker, you will enter the road to consciousness.
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It's inevitable. I just didn't tell them that up front.
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Yeah. That's what gets me going. I have goosebumps right now. I would say the people that I've
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worked with, I see the transition that goes from the doing and I have to heal and the protocol,
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but the people who evolve, it's almost like they're like cleaning at the tubes. They have to get
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through all that shit in order to make some more space for the expansion to actually happen.
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And even your word upgrade, like upgrade for me is a turn on. It's like you want to upgrade who
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you are, upgrade your life. Literally, it's like the evolution that comes with that. And I know that
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you've really pushed the boundaries with body optimization. I think that we live in a society that
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they're turned on by that. But now the lens, did you see the abs on this guy? What the hell?
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That's from meditating, right?
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But tell us like now, why would you say mastering your mind and meditation in particular?
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Like, why is this the real biohacker's end?
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I'm going to argue that having control over your state is the biohacker's edge and the meditation
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is a slow way to get there. Yeah. Right. And what do you mean, David? Did you just say you're not
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into meditating? No, I am. I've meditated in caves, well, fasting, but I was doing fasting
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on top of meditation, which changes the effects. And I wrote a whole book a few years ago on
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like the spiritual side of fasting and why it works. Heavily meditated is, I am quite certain,
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when I say this, my most important book, because it explains why we make the decisions we make and why
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any technique or technology that gives you access to your system control panel in your body,
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why that is the most important thing you can do. It'll change your stress response. It changes
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everything. It's like your operating system, right? Yeah. You're operating your operating system.
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And I call it the meat operating system in the book because you're made out of meat and it's not
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you. And I want to walk through all the F words, because I think that'll be useful. Yeah,
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it's coming up. Let's go into this. Let's take a quick break from this episode to talk about
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too if you have to. Sweet. So here's here's how it works. You have about a third of a second
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before your brain gets any notice of what's happening in the world. And it's invisible.
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Have you ever seen like the Super Bowl? And they're saying it's broadcast live.
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No, it's not. There's an eight second censorship window in case there's a wardrobe malfunction
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that someone didn't pay for. Right. So you think it's live. It feels live, but it's on delay.
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A whole of reality. All of reality needs to drink.
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All of reality is on delay. And during that time, something is happening. Well, what is it?
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It is the operating system decides whether it's worth your attention and how you're going to
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feel about it. So if I do this, a third of a second later, your auditory cortex gets the signal.
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And then about the rest of the second later, your conscious brain gets a chance to think about
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what it is. Now people are going, well, there's another consciousness in there. Yeah, there is.
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And here's my proof. Mona, if you ever leaned on a hot surface accidentally,
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and then you look down and you're like, you know, that's really hot. I think I should move my hand.
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No one's ever done that. Right. You would be blistered by then. So your hand moves
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itself or another distributed consciousness throughout your meat, your operating system moved
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it for you and made you think you did it. So I want to explain why your body does what it does.
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Where are the behaviors that frustrate you come from? And this all ties into why meditation or
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these other techniques give you control over that system. So here's what all life on Earth will do.
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It has to work for single cell bacteria because we are made out of this mitochondria.
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We have more of those than we do cells in our body and their ancient bacteria.
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So it has to work for bacteria. It has to work for slime molds, for politicians,
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you know, any kind of animal you can think of, even the most repellent ones,
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well, and even humans. So number one, fear. If something is scary, run away from kill or hide from it.
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Now, keep in mind, bacteria are not very smart. So they're going to be afraid of things that
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aren't really scary because if something eats them, it's game over. And for us humans,
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we spend about nine times more energy on things that might be scary. Unless we meditate,
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then we spend only six times more energy on them. But we're constantly wired inside ourselves to
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be reactive before our brain ever gets a signal. And this helps because if you're about to fall
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off a ladder or, you know, there's a ball coming towards your head, you're going to duck,
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right? And this is good. This is your body keeping you alive. This is why it's an operating system.
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So fear. Second F word is food. One third of the average person's thoughts is about tacos.
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Okay. About food anyway. Yeah. Your studies that show this. And you're saying, what? Yeah.
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So it doesn't have to that. But that's a wasted thought. You could have had emptiness. You could
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have thought about something that mattered or you could have been like, I'm so hungry. What do I have
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for lunch? Pancakes, fried chicken, like whatever. Like what? What's going on here? So you can tame
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that thought. And the third one is my favorite one. Whole life has to do it to stay around forever.
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And this is one of your favorites to I hear. It's an effort. You're sick for utility or the
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no, I was going to say fucking. I told you I could swear. Anyone who's always tried to get the
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person to say the F word and you knew it. So I reversed it. So fear of food and fucking your body
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devaluates reality to see if those three things are possible. And if so, it's going to make you
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feel a certain way about it. And then you get to think about it after you already feel about it.
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And you didn't get to pick the feeling that is such a screwed up way of walking around in a meat
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body. But that's how reality works. Yeah. So Mona, have you done anything that you're ashamed of
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that wasn't one of those three efforts? Yeah. They were all from the three efforts, right?
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All of them. All of them. You're especially in like reactivity, which I think is so relevant today.
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Food because they're all relevant. Oh my gosh. Yeah. But you got it in a powerful
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attitude. It's a framework there because a lot of people feel shame, right? Even that perfectionist
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wellness thing, right? That's born out of fear, right? And then all the times you ate all the
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Ben and Jerry's and all the pizza and all the times. Well, you went on the date with those three
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people at the same time and you know, you shouldn't have done it. But like all the bad decisions we make,
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it's not you. It's an automated system trying to keep you alive. And it's just
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safe consciousness. It's very fast and very dumb. So this is the source of the seven deadly tense.
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This is the source of the Buddhist hindrances. It's the source of in Western psychology, the ego.
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It is your mitochondria. And this is original work that I'm working on for 25 years to come to
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this understanding. And it's really dark because oh my gosh, that's all that life is. No,
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because there's another effort. It's friend. All life forms ecosystems. Like we help each other.
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And the plants form a forest and the animals work with other animals and their own their own species.
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So you don't have to think about it. You're wired to be kind to each other inside your bones.
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But if you're stuck in fear, you're stuck in hunger, you're stuck in lust, there's no energy left.
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Or if you're a friend is critically important. That's where community comes from.
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That's where our desire to make a difference in the world comes from.
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And the final word is forgiveness. And that's how life evolves. And it's really easy for most
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life. So if you're a deer on national geographic and the tiger is running after you and you get away,
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then you're like, we just start shaking. And then you start eating grass. That's letting go of
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the stress hormones and being done with it. Humans are that good at that. Because in addition to
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our operating system, we have a brain. And we just think about it. What if that's a tiger? What if
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that's a tiger? What if my mother loves a tiger? And we try to make up stories to justify our emotions.
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So in the east or in a therapist's office, they're going to do pretty much the same thing.
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What I learned in the monastery was sit and notice pose. Imagine the
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notice the intrusive thoughts. Gently set them aside. Notice them again.
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Gently said, like, how many times we have to notice these
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you can do this. And I learned how to do it. And I became a good meditator. The problem is
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taking energy to notice thoughts that are not really thoughts. It's your operating system telling
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you think about something scary. And that is possible. And if you go to the west, well, cognitive
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behavioral therapy, notice your feelings and then change your behavior. Dude, it takes so much
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energy and attention. How am I supposed to have anything left over for my kids if I'm just
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noticing my feelings all the time? Yeah. And people don't want to do it either, right?
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Until they actually feel that feeling, right? They just they don't want to do it. I think
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forgiveness is powerful. This is exactly actually why I got into NLP. I have a feeling like the
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majority of people out there, they know what to eat. But I couldn't figure out why after, you know,
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just some basic conversation around talking about their past. I'm often met with tears,
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something that happened in childhood or while they're not choosing themselves or why they're
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holding onto so much anger and resentment. And obviously, you know, I shared with you, my heart
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palpitations have nothing to do with the the structure of my heart. It was everything that I was
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holding onto. And while I wish everyone could have experiences like you and I have shared about
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going to these monasteries and ashrams and stuff like that where the stage is set, I agree with
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you. It's also really complicated. And I think and it takes a lot of time and you have to be a
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willing participant. But how does forgiving then in your mind, how does it become this neurological
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upgrade and not this like the spiritual thing that people often hear? I'll never forget when I
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use the word vibration 10 years ago, people just immediately roll their eyes. But now we understand
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frequency. We understand. I know that you've even looked at, you know, mapping this out on how
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someone's physiology literally changes. Well, forgiveness is not what people think it is. In fact,
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it's a trigger word. And you know, most people get triggered hundreds of times a day and they don't
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know it. And someone says something and it activates your operating system going, well, there's
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that one time, you know, Mr. Johnson in second grade said that one thing and it made you feel dumb
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or whatever it made you feel. So now your spouse is saying something to you that happened to match
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that pattern. And like, my spouse is saying things to make me feel dumb. It's not real, but it feels
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real. Right. So what forgiveness says is going in and permanently turning off reactivity to something.
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So there is no trigger left. That way when you're sitting, visualizing the Buddha, there are no
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intrusive thoughts because you went through and instead of learning to over time, gently train
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the thoughts away to just find a faster way to go in and say, Hey, body, I understand you're
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trying to keep me safe. You're like a firewall here. And you're going, Oh, that might be scary.
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It might be scary. Let's just go through and turn off everything or the best model ever.
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Think about your phone. Okay. You got your phone. If your therapist said, you know what? I know
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there's a lot of alerts from TikTok and Messenger and all the other things going off all the time.
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I want you to just gently swipe them to the left and just keep doing your work. Just you could do
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that, but you would hate it. But why do they tell us to do that with meditation? Because that's
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what they're doing. It is possible to access the control panel for your reactivity and pick
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something and say, please don't alert me about that anymore. And then the body won't.
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It is so freeing. So I've spent months and months of my life with electrodes glued to my head,
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doing this for anything I can find that's a trigger. So when I wrote
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heavily meditated, I am giving away, there it is trying to get on camera. I am giving away
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the recipe that I've used with more than a thousand executives. And they spend about $20,000
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to be with me and my team for five days. And they teach them how to do this. We have computers
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on their head neuroscientists, chefs, it's a big deal at 40 years of sin. But 10 years of that work
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in order to be able to write this book and to say, well, I know what forgiveness is. I know what it
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looks like in the brain. I know what it feels like in the body and I can teach it reliably. And when
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you truly forgive something and you structure it the right way, it will never push your buttons
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again. You are done with it forever and it is the most freeing, most peace generating thing you
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can do. So that's in the book and that's just one of the chapters. It's my most precious book,
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all the most important things. If you want to be happy, you want to be aware and conscious,
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this is the thing. And I think it's beautiful that you're sharing everything with 40 years of sin.
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It's something that I've always wanted to experience. But I'm curious, you know, with these
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emotional triggers, unresolved emotional triggers, we go about our daily life or doing all the
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things or eating healthy, but it's almost like these like the back doors open, this like draining
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of our energy, like those background apps. So when people are there or in your book, people listening,
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what's your go-to method for simply identifying them? Because a lot of people, you know, for my lens,
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who I work with, you know, I'm an adult, I forgive, I forgive Madame Michelle, I was a little kid,
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she didn't know any better. But meanwhile, you know, that moment is the instigation of all your anger
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and fear and rage, maybe. The reason that we do that is most of us are fully triggered by forgiveness.
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And it's because your mom told you or your dad, you forgive your brother or your sister.
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Forgiveness is not a thought. It's not even really a choice unless you know how to do it. It is
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a state change. So forgiveness is an altered state. And it's as important as, you know, a tantric
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orgasm or as important as satire or samadhi or any of these amazing states that meditation people
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can go to, it is a, it feels weird to forgive and it feels weird in your chest and your brain
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waves shift. And when that happens, that's when the trigger gets turned off forever. So someone's
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saying, all right, I'm an adult, I decided I forgave mom. No, you didn't unless someone tight
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out of forgive, you don't even know what forgiveness is. Number one, number two, you think forgiveness is
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a thought. And number three, you can't just forgive mom because mom is a complex thing. You forgive
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certain situations with mom until you're done. And so structuring it is the hard part. And that's
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why it took a chapter in the book to say, well, here's how we do it when we're running our CEOs
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through the program at 40 years of Zen. And so number one, understand, you probably haven't
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forgiven the people you think you, if you told me you forgave them, forgiveness is not telling
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someone anything. And it's not even convincing yourself that what they did was okay. And I have
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had people come through who have been tortured, like physically tortured, right? If they forgive
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their torturer, they're not going to say, hey, Mr. Torturer, I forgive you. And they're not going
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to say, no, it's a good thing that they torture me. No, but they are going to be non-reactive to it.
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And they'll come in the door and say, I was horribly tortured. And they walk out the door five days
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later going, yeah, I was tortured. But there's no energy in it anymore, right? And so how would you
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go about identifying it? Here's what you do. You go, all right, what's the emotion I'm working on
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dealing with? What does it feel like? All right, what's the most recent time you can remember
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feeling that? So you're sitting there and taking a couple deep breaths. And then you say, what's
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the first time I can remember feeling that? And then something weird will pop into your head.
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This seems like it has no relevance. It doesn't matter what it is. You just do that. And you'll be
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surprised that they're connected. And I talk in the book about a place where I was really stuck
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as an entrepreneur. And this was around, actually Joe Rogan of all things. I was on a show.
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Oh, yeah, I read that last night. Yeah. And it was like the injustice of the situation.
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And I will get into details here. But it actually pushed my operating system.
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It was something happened in first grade where I got blamed for something someone else did, right?
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And you're like, what? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard of. I had forgotten that
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situation entirely. But you sit down, you're, oh, and it just just came into my head. I
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had all were on the reset process on that. And when I did it, it was, it was like all the sudden,
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the reality came clear. Every time someone who's got an agenda against you says your name,
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they're still saying your name. So every time Joe Rogan says Dave Asprey's a bad man,
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because I have an investment in a competitive company to him, he might not have said that part,
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but it sure looks like that's what was going on. But every time he said that, I sold more
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coffee, it didn't matter what he said. But I was so reactive. And it wasn't because of Joe,
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it's because I had a reactive pattern for my own childhood. And once I went in and did that,
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it stopped bothering me. And it's in it while looking at the things that happen like that.
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First of all, people are mean also. I went from being so reactive reading that to like people are
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mean. You know, I didn't think that our journey has chosen for us, but it's going through those
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things that cause you to have to do the work to see where it comes from so that you can evolve.
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And then energetically, you know, your, your numbers kept going up for your sales kept going up.
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I think that energetically, when you're detached from whatever that state is in your body,
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you're good. You are clear and you know it. But yeah,
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fortunately, we've got to go through it. This is what we've got to do the work.
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went through some big stuff and it's really funny. Right before you're interviewing me now,
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another influencer who's just a terrible health bully and has been for 10 plus years,
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just did a big thing about how Dave asks spray, you know, mispronouncement, just like the
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most I'll just think. You know, I'm a bad man and just lots of anger and rage. I don't know
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the guy, but he's a troll, right? And you get a million followers as a troll. You just have to
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live with yourself. So I'm like, okay. And literally I hit send on an email to him. And I was like,
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hey, man, I just wanted to thank you for all the mentions on social media because you really
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increase my sales. And I will be using your Instagram handle as a coupon code the next time you
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want to post about me, I really appreciate it. I'm looking forward to it. And I will. I'm in it.
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I mean, and it's hilarious, right? And you can see the right. What's going on is something like 80%
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of people are stuck in 12 year old consciousness. And it's not their fault. It's not because
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you're a bad person. It's because you're operating systems stop there. And you didn't have the role
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models to teach you how to regulate your system. And no one teaches this in school. So you can get
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out of that stuff. And I'm like, I genuinely wish these bullies well. I have no issue with it,
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but I am going to play with them. Right? And it's okay. Do you want to be a 12th grade play? Let's
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play. I'm rubber. You're glue like, let's go, right? And we can be joyful about it, right? And not
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fearful and not defensive. And just going through life like that is much better. And it's just so
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liberating. It is liberating. And you know, you talk about enlightenment. I think that the enlightenment
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truly comes in those moments when you know that, you know, this anger out of world,
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it's a direct reflection of your inner world. If somebody has that much anger to put out in the
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world, it's a clear reflection. You can almost, I have a feeling just knowing you a little bit,
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you could probably have a little bit of empathy for this person too. And whatever the reason is
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that's driving his actions, right? Well, online trolls were almost universally bullied.
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Yeah, right. They grew up. They're stuck in bully energy. And now they're going to bully people
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online. And they're going to, you know, I don't believe what you said. Therefore, I'm going to
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attack you. And like, really, are we still doing that? You know, it doesn't matter how many people
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a person is helped or whether their message they'll find something. And I write about
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sociopathy and narcissism and how to detect it as part of heavily meditated. And what you realize
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is that when people are so frightened that their operating system says, I'm going to erase
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something from your reality. I'm going to tell you a story to make you safe enough to survive.
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You will hold on to the story as if your life depends on it. And when someone comes along who
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questions your story, without even knowing it, you will believe they're the devil. And you will
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set, you'll set an agenda to destroy them unless you do the healing. So all of us have been
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targeted at least once or twice by narcissists in our life. And they, they make you feel crazy. And
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I've had the culture just ruined it one of my companies before I figured it out. I was like,
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gosh, like, why didn't I let that person go sooner? Like, this is on me. But I was so just like,
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what is happening? I'm questioning my reality. And I brought in an organizational consultant.
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And she sat down for her first meeting with me. She said, I talked with a teammate
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that there's a problem with. And I just want you to know, you're not crazy. And I was like, oh my god,
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somebody believes me. Yeah, because if someone's hanging on to their story that they're right,
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even if they're actually wrong, and they're hanging on to it as if their life depends on it,
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they will lie, cheat, and steal to make sure that you don't change the reality with your truth.
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And this is not a grown-up functional behavior. It's a flaw in our operating system. And I feel
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nothing but compassion for them. I also, with extreme discretion, remove them for my environment,
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because the definition of hierarchy, change the environment around you, you will not be at
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peace if there are people trying to ruin your life to make themselves feel safe. And this is
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what's going on. Like, guys, do the work. If you're one of those people's angry all the time,
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it's not other people. It's you. Yeah. And this is one of those areas I look up to you. I was
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bullied too. And it sucked, man. And I feel the anger that wants to come up sometimes. But then
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even having the courage to have a voice like you do, it takes having courage, right? And then
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just setting the tone for what you're going to put out into the world is going to be supportive.
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So thank you for sharing that story. I know the story is really, really helpful.
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I try to be really real in the book. I'm talking about my life in there.
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Not because I'm, you know, the best example of anything. But just that if I can wait
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three hundred pounds and be where I am now, and I can be as messed up and angry as I was,
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and be where I am now, it's probably going to be easier for you.
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You've humanized yourself for a lot of us. I think it's always been human, but I'm not sure.
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Next podcast. Let's talk about the concept of neurofeedback. I hope that neurofeedback is
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something that's used in, you know, just everyday doctor's offices. It comes up. You know,
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I think it's something that was practiced in ancient wisdom. But that one has your experience
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with neurofeedback kind of fueled your mind that it can rewire your brain faster than traditional
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practices. I was really desperate in Silicon Valley. I'm in my mid 20s, and my brain is not working.
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I can't remember things in meetings, and I don't know how I got home at the end of the day,
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and I'm actually scared to the point I bought disability insurance.
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Something's wrong. It's Dr. Sam Fine. I have no evidence or anything wrong with me,
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but I bought the insurance because I'm like, I don't know what's going on. I went to one of the first
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neurofeedback places you could ever go to. It was a car practice office in the South Bay area,
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and this little kid walks in and starts screaming and running in circles. I don't want to
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do twice. I'm freaking out going, this is neurologically like I'm jangled, but I went and I did
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the work and I did it once a week. I came back in about six weeks and the same kids at there
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in the waiting room, and I'm saying, should I get weight in my car? He walks up and goes,
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hi, my name's Bobby or whatever his name was, shakes my hand, and I'm like, what just happened
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his mom says, oh, yeah, this changed his whole brain. I thought, okay, I'm buying one of these
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machines. I've had a computer I could hook up to my brain to see what's going on in there for 25
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years. After a year or two of that, maybe doing brain surgery on yourself is a bad idea.
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Right. So I started working with different types of neurology back with experts all over the
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place, and I finally realized they're all trying to fix something broken, and I'm trying to create
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enhancement and new states. And then I found that the Dalai Lama had actually put up a bounty of
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like $100,000. This was back in the 90s before her currency was debased. This was a huge amount of
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money. And he's just, look, it takes me four hours of meditation to reach this one state.
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If you can get me there in an hour, I'll give you $100,000.
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Wow. Right. Wow. And so there was a whole conference with neuroscience and Zen, and I'm so
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fast in it because I'm a network engineer in Silicon Valley building data centers, cloud computing,
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and going, I want to hack into my brain. Right. So he was that weird mindset of thinking about,
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how do I change the settings? And I was not about healing anything. I was about
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opening up to new things, and I tried all the stuff, the different sound waves, the different
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things like binaural beats. I made my own, and I tried new tropics, and I got better and better
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and better at neurofeedback. And one day I just said, you know, I need a formula one level race
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car mechanic for my brain. I do not want to fix my brain. I want to make it into something,
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something magical. And that was why I started 40 years as in. And fortunately, you know,
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it's been really about 1,500 CEOs, I'd say 1,000 because some people go more than once.
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But about 500 people have gone through the program, and it worked for them, and it worked for me,
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and it allowed me to learn how to go through and turn these things off and access these
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profound states that usually take decades of daily practice to get into. So I can do things
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that most people don't think are possible, and then I didn't think were possible in my 20s.
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In fact, that was very skeptical. But when you read the science, and you look at Dean Radens' work,
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or Joe Dispenza's work, there is deep science behind this. In fact, Joe Dispenza is speaking
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at my biohacking conference in what, eight days? Eight days. Yeah, here on the 28th in Austin,
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Texas, and at the biohacking conference, we'll probably sell out. We have maybe 80 tickets left.
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And it's, but it Joe's talking about the science of meditation and breathwork, and it's thousands
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of data points. Again, genetics looking in flammatory markers, looking at healing, the reality is
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people who meditate can develop superpowers. And I'm not the one saying this. It's actually
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ancient yogic texts. It's proven. Yeah. The yogic CDs, right? These are things that a few people
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can do, and people who meditate, if you look, they actually can do these things in a way that
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statistically significant, but most of them can't. And then they warn you in the instruction manual
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on how to move towards enlightenment. It's very old, but it's the instruction manual. Like
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all of these things may emerge on your path of becoming aware. Don't let them distract you.
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They're like distractions. So, you know, if you wake up one day and you know someone else is
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like, oh, cool. That's great. I'm going to just keep on my path, right? Oh, look at me. I'm a big
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psychic or whatever. And you can go down the path through us your life. So these things emerge.
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It is real. It is measurable. It is scientific. And it turns out if a computer teaches you
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the way you do a neurofeedback, it's on one hand worse than a meditation teacher on the other hand,
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it's better. Right. So, here's why. But you know, it's just a different question about that.
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No, I can see where you're going, but yeah, tell me why because I can see the timepiece.
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It's such a commitment, right? And I think that we're addicted to feedback. We want to see data.
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We want to see data. And humans learn really well with real time feedback. And we learn really
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poorly with delayed feedback. So if you eat pizza now, and then a week from now, you gain a pound,
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you will not associate it with the pizza, right? And even if you do, you won't feel the pain
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of the pizza. But if every time you ate a bite of pizza, your pants got tight, you would not ever eat
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pizza because it's a real time thing. The thing is a good meditation teacher. And you know this,
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they can actually share their state with you. They will calm themselves or put themselves
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in altered state and they will share it in a way with you. And your field will start to match
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there. And you don't consciously know this unless you've got some training. But
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when you start doing something even better, if you're in a room full of meditators,
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if the teacher notices, because they're looking at 50 people or at thousand people,
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and then they look at you and then they raise their eyebrow, like, okay, I got my feedback one
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time today. Woohoo! A computer is going to tell you this a thousand times a second,
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but a computer will not allow you to co-regulate with it. So what I'm doing at 40 years
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then, we have facilitators there who can co-regulate. And then I record things with my voice that
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is done in a certain way. And we make the sounds, have embedded sounds inside them that change your
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state. So when you're working on this, you go, oh, like, I feel the difference. And now you are
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in charge of you. And the risk of a teacher, if a teacher becomes a guru, you're dependent on
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the guru. And you can be like, someone like Aubrey Marcus, like, I've done Ayahuasca a hundred times.
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I'm like, brother, when are you going to notice it's not working? Yeah. What do you not have to do
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it anymore? Yeah. I also know people say, I've traveled around the world for 10 years with my guru.
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And I'm like, I am so pleased for you on your path. What's going to happen when your guru passes?
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And people are bereft there. They're lost. So what you want to do is you want to appreciate and
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love the guru, learn from a teacher, and also learn to access your states on your own that do not
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require medicines. But there's nothing wrong with using a medicine to see what a state feels like.
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And there's a chapter in heavily meditated says, well, okay, let's say you don't want to just
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meditate. Well, try these different types of breath work or try these sounds or try psychedelics
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in this order to access altered states, but don't become dependent. And or even try Tantric sex.
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And 20% of people report meeting God during orgasm at least once in their life. That's just as
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valid is psychedelics or breath work. Hmm. Such a good point. What I'm hearing is like
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outsourcing Craig Sandsrup in the air, by the way.
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No more outsourcing. And this is for me what I was doing at the ashram where there was the swamis
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there, the teachers there's outsourcing everything there. But here's something that I want to have
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run. So you've explored altered states obviously through psychedelics. You talk about this,
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but also through breath work. And I want people in this like, you know, grand rising and awareness
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around psychedelics, which I'm excited about. I think that especially with psilocybin and mental
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health issues like the future could look very bright. However, to your point about the stories
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of people jumping back in over and over and over and over and over not doing the work. Can you share
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maybe like do you have a memory for me? I'll share when I was given my my spiritual name at the ashram,
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we had to chant and meditate for it to seem like hours and hours. Thought it was nothing,
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but that when I stood up, I had to walk down this really long path and I was like,
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shit, I cannot feel my feet on the ground. Oh my god, what is happening? Then I looked at the trees
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and it was like the sacred geometry of merging the leaves together. No drugs, no psychedelics,
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simply my breath and chanting. Yeah. Well,
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the first time I did any personal development work at all, I was about 30 and I had made and lost
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$6 million. I had just decided to get divorced from a brief and very chaotic marriage.
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And I was just like at rock bottom where I'm like, I don't know what to do. I've tried
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being rich. I've tried being famous. I've tried being in a relationship like I am so miserable.
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I don't know. So I went to this crazy sounding 10 day workshop and they had to do a
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holotropic breath work. And this was around 2002 maybe. So in early days of this becoming a
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modern thing. And I have I saw more mystical stuff. I had a bigger psychedelic experience from
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that than I've had from any psychedelic. And maybe TMT is on par with it. What is going on? It was
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life-changing. You know, seeing past lives, getting lessons, all this stuff. And it really just
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it really changed my my reality. We also did internal family systems and just a whole bunch of
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of trans personal psychology. Well, two years later Stan Groff, the inventor of holotropic
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breath work, comes to Palato and he did breath work with him. Actually with the mother of my
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children. And then two years later, I ran a breath workshop with Stan Groff, the father of
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breath work. And we trained about a hundred of my coaches with Stan when he was 94 years old
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in full of energy. And he was a psychiatrist in the 50s. I know you know this, but listeners may
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not. And he's in Czechoslovakia. And they made LSD illegal. He used on 3000 patients, changed
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their lives. And when they made it illegal, he and his wife invented holotropic breath work
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as a way to access the same altered states. So guys, you don't have to do psychedelics even one time
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to enter these exalted states. There are other paths. And I wrote heavily meditated to say,
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look, pick the path that resonates most with you. Like one of them is going to make the hairs on
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the back of your neck. Stand up. That's the one. Right. And I'm also concerned. You've probably seen
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this too. There are people who maybe aren't aware of what they're doing. Maybe some of them are
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who are targeting successful people, especially with ayahuasca, but sometimes they love their
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psychedelics. They're not working for your best interests. You know, they have lots of beads.
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They look like a real shaman, but they don't have the skills or the knowledge. And I think there's
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risk, spiritual risk to psychedelics. And I use them. You just have to use them with the right
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protections. So it's a complexity. It is complex. I think there can be a really bright future to
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that point, but I love that you hovered on that for a second, because I think people without
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experiencing or maybe having the right teacher, you don't know that that's even a possibility for
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you. But if you have someone, you know, because I think a lot of people are being targeted, whether
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it's through public groups, somatic events or through psychedelics, but then there's no
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integration afterwards. It could be dangerous and really scary. So read heavily meditated
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for those tips. One of the things I'll call out is ketamine. Doing ketamine daily is a terrible
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idea, but ketamine is legal. We've known about it for 70 years. And it's why I added that to the
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40 years in program recently, where the world's first psychedelic assisted neurofeedback program,
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because we can use that to create the sense of awe that is necessary for you to go in and reset
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your triggers. So you have to feel gratitude or awe at a brief moment. And ketamine can help
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you do that. And it increases neuroplasticity. So a few uses younger brain daily use. You're not
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going to like what happens. And so it's the only one that's really addictive, but it's worth it's
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worth doing. Absolutely. Yeah. ketamine is really saved a lot of people who've had that I've worked
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with who've experienced trauma or for people who they genuinely cannot see a world outside of
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what they're existing in. So it's almost like just plucking them out of this reality. So they can
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just for a moment experience like, Oh, there's awe and wonder and bliss is possible in this lifetime.
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And so just taking that back into reality, but to your point, not every day. Not a drug of choice.
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Not every day. And so I go through an order like start here and go through them in this order
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until you find what you're looking for. And then you can stop. Yeah. Let's shift. Go ahead.
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I interviewed Kimball Musk about this Elon Musk's brother. He used a restaurant tour and a
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regenerative farming guy and a great human being. And I said, Well, you know, I made a joke about
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putting DMT sauce on a steak. We were cutting together. And when he goes, I don't need ayahuasca.
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Because I already met God. I'm like, What are you talking about? And he said, Oh yeah, I broke my neck
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when I was 36 and I was unconscious in a coma for three days. I met God. And I know that state.
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And I don't need the drugs. Wow. How profound is that? So profound and powerful.
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You know, breaking free through those modalities, it kind of really just makes us aware of how many
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people day to day are operating with stress and anxiety. The numbers are now showing, you know,
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the levels of anxiety related disorders amongst adults and children. The amount of prescription
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drugs that are being written year after year. And it's not working like the numbers are going up.
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In your book, you talk about shifting from feeling anxious to this to feeling aligned.
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How do people shift from feeling anxious to align? And how can these brainwave science to really
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understand what's happening? Well, if you have anxiety, your F words are off. So you can have fear
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or peace, which is the opposite of fear. And this is the biggest source of energy. So you move
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out of fear by turning off your triggers with the reset process from heavily meditated. And then
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the next source of anxiety is food. So you might think you're eating healthy, but you probably
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aren't fully nourished in the right way. And you haven't trained your body to be perfectly safe
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and comfortable, whether your stomach is full or empty. Right. So we have fear, food. And then
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when's the last time that you had an intimate act that wasn't goal-based? How fast do I get to come?
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It's how much pleasure can I introduce to my partner? And it doesn't matter whether I come or not.
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It completely changes this kind of less driven porn derived stuff into something that is a sacred
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act of instrument connection. And it's really a way of restoring energy. And so that's what you do.
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And then the next step where does friend? Community, like how some friends, and if you're saying,
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but I'm lonely, there's an epidemic of that. People don't, they're not members of clubs anymore.
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All right. So go to a yoga class, find a tribe and do whatever it takes to do that and serve them.
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And fun enough, when you serve your community, it nourishes you as well. So it's about more peace,
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less fear, more nourishment, less hunger and cravings, and less loneliness and more connection.
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And that will resolve anxiety reliably, but start with fear, start with triggers.
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It's not crazy how this concept of just like having peace with intimacy with yourself is something
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that's foreign to some people. Yeah. And a lot of us have guilt. I mean, I dealt with some of
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this too. You're like, well, who am I? I have a family. All right. I got to provide for the family.
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I got to feed the kids. I got to pay rent. You got to do all these things. And then if you don't do
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those things, you know, you're a failure. And the average woman has a slightly different set of
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things, but they're it's a similar thing like there's a societal judgment about what we're supposed
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to do and what we're not supposed to do. And either way, whether you've got that provider thing or
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you've got the mothering nurturing thing. People pleasing perfectionism. It is so painful. And that
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takes people out because it takes your energy. And the other thing is if you have toxic molds,
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you have heavy metals, you have hormone disruption, you have thyroid disruption. If your metabolism
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works, you have a huge ball of energy at the beginning of the day. And then you pour it into the
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fear bucket. You know, okay, what's left? And it goes into the food and cravings bucket. Okay,
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what's left? And it goes into the am I getting some bucket? Because your body thinks the whole
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universal end if you don't get to connect with others. And okay, well, I'm unsatisfied in that part
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of my life instead of that spiritual nourishment that comes from from sex. And then
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your community, you got nothing left by that point. But if you could have more energy,
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because your metabolism works, you'll also be less anxious. Something that you said really
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ties into what you're saying now, the comfort that comes when you have an empty stomach.
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Because that's intimacy, right? It forces you to tune in. But most people instantly tune into
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the discomfort behind it. What does it need to have to be comfortable? How do we get there?
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I was so afraid of being hungry because I'd heard that if I don't eat six meals a day,
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my body would go into starvation mode. And then I'll get fat. And I'm already fat.
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So I hired a shaman to drop me in a cave in 2008 with no food. And my rationale was,
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well, there'll be nothing to eat. So I won't eat. And I'm really worried that I'll be
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hypoglypitchy because I'd get mean when I didn't eat. So I'm like, I'll be mean to the walls of
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the cave, right? And I'm just going to deal with my shit. And so I did, I wrote fast this way about
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that in part to correct the over fasting people are doing it in part to talk about the spiritual
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side of this. And what it really comes down to is inside your body is a giant Labrador retriever.
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Okay, now imagine this dog. It flops into your into your living room. It shoes on your shoes.
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It pees on your couch. It barks at you. And then it eats everything on the table.
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Oh, and then it humps your leg there. Now we've got all the all the you go with behaviors,
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all the mitochondrial imperatives are handled. Oh, well, you are an animal inside of you and
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you have a human brain. And those urges, they're real. Well, you can take the dogs and it to
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obedience school and they have a service dog. And they'll sit there with a piece of pepperoni
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on their nose until you tell them they can eat. This is meditation. This is practicing intermittent
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fasting. And this is practicing tantra or conscious king. Any of the practices, that's why there's
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a chapter on this. Look, if you feel like you're going to die, if you don't have lunch,
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you will have anxiety. When your body learns to feel totally safe with or without lunch,
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because you did the work, it's like, okay, I got this. I'm okay. Well, the same thing happens
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in the bedroom for men, especially about eight seconds before they ejaculate. A voice in their
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head says, I know you said you weren't going to, but right now is the best idea ever to do it. And
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then we suddenly believe it's the best idea. And then we let go. And then we take credit for
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God. God, why did I do that? It's the same thing as intermittent fasting. You teach the body.
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You will not die with or without ejaculation. It's something you can do at will. And when that
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happens, this whole universe of altered states intimacy opens up to you. Great. And it's a very
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different game when you're playing that game. But the same thing, what do you mean I'm going to skip
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tacos? Well, I can't skip tacos. That's insane. In fact, I got angry when someone told me to
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try fasting. I'm like, what? But that's what this is about. It's about teaching your system to be
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non-reactive and understanding you are not your reactions. You are not your system. You're
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writing around in this meat body. It's the same as a Labrador. And you want your nervous system
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and your body and your energetic system to be the service dog for you. When you do that,
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all of these things that pop up, they blind you to intuition and reality. And when
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triggers you have the more connected to your intuition, you are. And that's a part of heavily
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meditated as well. I teach how to identify what is an intuition versus an emotion versus a
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thought. And it's really critical knowledge because we've been taught since we were little kids
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to actively suppress our intuition. And you don't have to do that. And you're not choosing to do it.
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Your body does it for you. Right. Once you turn off the triggers, you're like, wow,
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isn't that so weird? I just knew that. Yeah. It's kind of all been brainwashing,
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in building your intuition, I think that's probably the fastest route to tuning in to taking away
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the fear of fear and like a community. Do you have your intuition in your press? Right? Exactly.
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Now you're reading my mind. I'm just being dumb because it makes me laugh.
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But it's true. Like if you trust your own intuition, then you're said you're not looking for
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exterior modalities to test. And I think to just the link between that and fasting is something
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else that you're doing with fasting that I know you talk about a lot is what happens for
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mitochondria. And you and I both shared when you and I've been at your sickest, maybe to help,
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you know, I'm so sick of people like just talking about the powerhouse of yourself, powerhouse of
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yourself. Anything to picture of what was the state of your mitochondria when your health was at
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its worst versus the state of your mitochondria right now? I think my mitochondrial networks were
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in collapse and they were maybe running at 20% of their capable energy. And what I've noticed
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consistently at 40 years is then when I'm working with people who are shamans or gurus,
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if I can do anything to increase their mitochondrial performance, their powers radically increase.
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And I've had one older guru, I'm not going to call him out. There's so many probably
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hard of who actually called in tears and said, Dave, you gave me my powers back. Like how did I
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not know? So the model of consciousness I work with now is that your mitochondria are foundational,
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they're the interface to reality. And they're your body and your mitochondria, they're filtering
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reality to show you a teeny tiny bit of it that they think you need to know. And reality is a
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quantum foam or something. And what the mitochondria do is they cluster around microtubules.
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And microtubules are little structures inside cells that are quantum entangled with reality.
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So your mitochondria are powering them and focusing them. And your mitochondria talk to each
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other. And they have this whole entire real time system that's in there. And when you realize
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mitochondria are environmental sensors, they're a separate consciousness. They're also computers.
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They sense, they decide, which is a computing thing. And then they can also manufacture,
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and they can manufacture stress hormones, they can manufacture melatonin, they can manufacture
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heat, and they can just manufacture stress. So wow, what would happen if you meditated or you did
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any of the techniques that have been meditated? And it allowed your mitochondria network to
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become more coherent and more focused and more in tune. And then you turned off all your triggers.
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You would have a direct interface to reality. And when you chose to enter an alter state,
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you can enter it at a moment's notice because all the stuff that gets in our way, it's not there anymore.
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To say the mitochondria, they're really the solution to longevity, to feeling better. You talk
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about emotional resilience also with our mitochondria. They are the source of willpower. And I found
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a couple of studies that backs that up. Right. So they power everything you do. They power your
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spiritual powers, they power your heart, they power love, they power as long as you're in your body,
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it's all about the mitochondria. And their job every day, 30 pounds of air and some amount of
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food come together and they make that electricity that powers everything. So if no wonder,
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you don't know how to breathe, you don't know how to eat, or you have a mitochondrial problem
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when you're health, you got less energy. And that translates to less spiritual energy, less
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mojo. But there are some things you can do that are worth talking about. One of them, it's a quick
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and easy thing and it's a new idea in the world of biohacking and it's called bicep. And it's not
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this bicep. It's brief intentional conscious exposure to pain. So what? Well, monks used to have one
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of these. Right. And they would like literally clog themselves every morning. And I remember hearing
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about that going, oh my gosh, that's so badly. We think they're such sinners. Yeah. And then
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yogis themselves. Yeah. And I asked my teacher, oh, because they want to show their good yogis,
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does it make you sense? You ever see a yogi compete? So what's going on there? Why do biohackers
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get in cold water? Why do addicts get tattoos that hurt? Why do you take the chili peppers? It's
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all the same. It changes dopamine sensitivity for the rest of the day if you briefly do something
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that hurts, but doesn't damage you. And when you do that, your body says, oh, now it takes less
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dopamine to motivate you. So you use less willpower, which saves mitochondrial electricity for
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something else that matters, like folding proteins or playing with your kids. You get to decide.
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Hmm. Okay. So people understand the modalities. Yeah. I think a lot of the things that you talked
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about with biohacking and mitochondrial function, what was kind of the awareness with you,
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though, around emotional resilience and pain? Like, when I finally found a cardiologist who talked
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to be about having the most concentration of mitochondria around my heart and then asking me about
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my personal history emotionally, you know, if people are going out there biohacking, doing all
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the modalities, checking the checklist on how to get rooted, you name it, and yet they're still not,
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you know, maybe reversing their age or they still come back with high inflammatory markers
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and their biomarkers. What's the connection to the emotional resilience there? Well, the more
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inflammation you have, the more energy your mitochondria are putting into making inflammation instead of
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making emotional resilience. And this is why oftentimes if you're obese the way I was,
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you're going to be more emotionally reactive. And it's not because you're a bad person, it's not
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because you're weak, it's because your system is inflamed, right? And the inflammation instead of
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going to the prefrontal cortex to allow you to regulate your emotions, you didn't have enough
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energy to do that. So your body said, let the emotions run things and like it's not a good place to be.
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So I have deep compassion for anyone with a health problem and chronic fatigue is when your
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mitochondria are really, really low and your inflammation is really high. Having willpower then
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is incredibly difficult. So the sicker you are and the fatter you are, the more of a willpower
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athlete you are, because you are pushing through it and it is like walking in mud and is so hard.
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And you want to fix your mitochondria and along the way stop carrying boulders in your backpack
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because every trigger you have is a boulder, set those down and you'll get your energy back.
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And then that energy goes into healing. I love that you painted a picture of that thank you
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because I still think that there's an addiction for people looking for modalities that are outside
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of themselves. And I know that's exactly what you're kind of deactivating in your book.
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And on the concept of brain waves and the things that you're listening to and at four years of
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Zen, the recordings that you've made for people to listen to, and you talk about the gamma state
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and unite touched on that, you know, whether it's through psychedelics or through breathwork,
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isn't a lot of impact like talked to us about the science and the studies that you've come across
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with listening to different sound waves or sound healing. Sure. It comes down to this.
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Your brain can be in different states at different volumes. So think of a state like a music note.
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Oh, look, I made a E-node or a D-node. Well, okay. Could I hear it? Was it loud or was it quiet?
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So those are the big variables. But then what song am I playing? Because you can be playing
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Angry Gangster rap in the C-note with high volume or you can be playing Mozart. And if you can learn
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to play Mozart, that is going to produce a different state. And if you try to play Mozart in
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a different note of music, it's going to sound different. And that would be another different state.
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So it turns out we think of brain waves because they're easy. But imagine if you went to Spotify,
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and it was like, do you want to hear music in the C-note or the D-note or the F-note? And you're
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like, well, what kind of music? I'm sorry, you can only choose the note. So brain waves are kind of
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over simplistic. But the gamma state, depending on where in the brain it is, is a really unusual
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state that we only recently learned about when people are advanced Zen meditation monks or other
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types of meditation too, most likely. But this was discovered in Zen monks. They generate this very
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high frequency brain wave. And it tends to ride like a surfer on lower level brain waves. And gamma
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is associated with this feeling of like connectedness, joy, oneness. And it's something that
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most neuroscientists would say, you can't train gamma. But we have trained gamma over and over
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and over. And when people have their largest peak experiences in the pods at 40 years of Zen,
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they're generating gamma and several other things at the same time in the right parts of the
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brain. So now we have not just making gamma or alpha brain waves or something. There's a concert
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in the brain. And they're making the right amount of alpha, the right amount of beta, and the right
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spas and gamma comes in and takes over the brain. And then they will describe, I saw an angel.
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I met a dead man. I let go of a deep thing. And now I can see the world. Myrium
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that came through. And I can talk about her because she posted this and said it was okay. But
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she was born to parents who just got out of a concentration camp when they conceived her.
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And there was so much family trauma. And she's in her 80s. And she says, my whole life, I've been
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looking for peace her whole life. And she spends five days with a computer doctor ahead. And she said,
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I finally found it. I know what peace feels like. And how can you spend 80 years not knowing
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and she was trying. Like she was searching. Right. And like, that's why that's why I do 40 years. And
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that's why we're heavily mentored. This is the most important stuff. Like all the shit that I
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carried for so many years, for no good reason, I just carried it because I didn't know I was
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carrying it because no one told me I was carrying it. And because I didn't have the tools to do it.
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And it's just so much easier now than you would imagine. And you know, I've got my one place in
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Seattle where executive and billionaires fly. And I'm really working on something that's going to
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be available in people's homes. And we're not very far away from that. Because it works. And like
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meditate, do your breath work. Listen to any of the apps. Like get the light sound goggles.
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You know, go to yoga class, learn breath work. You know, do the the do the breath work stuff. Do
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it a cold plunge. Take a class on Tantra. Get a spanking if that's the way you want to experience
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it. It doesn't matter. Like there's so many options to enter these altered states that let you.
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It's not even healed. They let you reprogram your reality. And it's it's that precious that if
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you do this early in life and you do this in your 20s or your 30s, you will live the life uncommon.
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You're like, how is this even possible? And it's because you got out of your own way early or you
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waited a long time or maybe you never did. I just want you to not spend all of your energy time
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and money getting out of your own way. Because it's not that hard if you have the right information.
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Learn how to change your state. It is so powerful. Nothing matters, right? This is something with
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getting older. I'm still crying from that story. I know. It's really profound. I mean, yeah, woman,
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what a life. But sharing that story too, what it may be think of is like this so precious. A
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lot of people that I work with are so focused on the outcome, right? And don't get me wrong.
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Like I love the hard things. I love pursuing the hard things because it feels a part of me that
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feels really good. Like you said, right? The bicep. But there's always the other there's also the
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other part where the reality of getting older and something happened after turning 40 like
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everything's just on fast forward down. And the relevance of having this vessel and of time
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passing and wanting to do so many beautiful things. And the experience is that you're sharing
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what you're doing is you're putting a reframe on what it needs to be alive, what it means to
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help people and have friends and eat like you love yourself and getting rid of fear that doesn't
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serve you anymore. And I think that that is like this is where it's at now. If we're going to
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really activate inner peace for a future, we have to do these things. Thank you for the story.
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So I guess, you know, in closing, we've got a couple of questions from our audience.
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The one thing I forgot to ask you though, for people listening who want to check in on their
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brain and can't go for brain scan, like is this something that's accessible to the everyday person?
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If you by heavily meditated and you go to the chapter on the reset process, I teach you step-by-step
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how to do exactly the process that we do with computers and with executives and with the whole
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team at 40 years of zen. This people spend $20,000 to learn this. And this is a really important
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book. It takes a little more time when you're at home. It's necessary that either tell a friend
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or take notes and write it down because one of the things that you're operating system
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where you go can do, it'll make you forget the work you just did unless you have
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so just pick something that pisses you off and do the process set aside 20 minutes or an hour
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or however long you have every Saturday or every day and just start whittling away on your triggers
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and your load gets lighter every single day and it is profound. Would you say that's what helps you
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stay aligned? Is that the one thing that you would say for people to really see rooted in their joy?
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Is that it? It's the most important thing to do because if you recognize every time you get upset,
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oh my gosh, I found another one. I got to do that one. Pretty soon you run out of things to reset
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and then you go, oh, I wasn't upset at all today. That was a really good day. Right? Yeah.
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All right, you ready for some questions from the audience? Let's do it.
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All right, so we're young. Don't you just let that name have to not attract the same patterns and
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deal with negative environments? Well, you are manifesting those patterns with your mitochondria.
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They're looking for things they recognize and sadly the way quantum reality works is that when
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you observe something, it becomes real. Well, if you're mitochondria, this distributive network of
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detectors is looking for things that you're attracting, they will tune your antennas to find
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those things and then they will happen around you. So you let go of your triggers. You do the
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deep work on trauma and you learn how to turn on peace instead of fear. And when you do that,
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magically, you don't attract those people anymore. At the same time, you have so much energy left
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over to practice discernment, which is when you check in with your intuition that you can now access
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and say, you know what, that person feels like they're probably a narcissist. And then you
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think about it and go, oh, they act like a narcissist. And then you say, I think I won't hang out
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with them anymore. And bring your life would be if you could do that. And it's a simple question.
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What frequency are you tuned into every day? Right? I think the orange is key. Yeah.
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Bonnie wants to know, what is the best hack to make oneself find a stopping point and go to bed
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at a reasonable time? Your night out. You can make yourself, you can make yourself tired
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with light. So the very best thing is, and I'm not trying to sell you my stuff. I don't know
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how to pair here. The true dark glasses. This is a company of circadian biology company started
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10 years ago. It's true dark. The glasses will make you want to fall asleep. And there is a
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study in a medical journal where we did the research. You wear these glasses, the true dark glasses
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for 15 minutes, and it shifts your brain into the same state as if you're meditating. So if you're
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not tired at night, it's because it's too bright. So dim all your lights, put on the true dark glasses
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or just get red light bulbs everywhere and turn off everything else. And strangely, you'll just
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want to go to bed on time. And the next morning, wake up and go outside. You do that a few times,
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you'll shut down at night. Just fine. I shifted from being a 2 a.m. sleeper for my entire life
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to going to bed last night at 10 o'clock naturally. And it's been really liberating.
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We've just sleep trainers adults. We talk about for kids all the time, but we need to sleep trainers
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adults too. We do. And for people who have a hard time sleeping, the best URL of my entire life,
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sleepwithdave.com. It's never going to be able to sleep. It's free.
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All right, Arlen says, no questions. Just love your podcast and fascinated with dayvast free.
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Yes, we are. And thank you for that, Arlen. Taylor wants to know, Hey, Taylor, what's the
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best way to increase your vagal tone and heart rate variability? Breathwork is an amazing way to do it.
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But sticking your face in ice water before bed is another one. And I've written about this
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having in a couple books, not your whole body, just your face. And it's called the mammalian dive
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reflex. So do some breathwork, especially four seconds in, eight seconds out. And ice water
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on the face for 20, 30 seconds and watch what happens to your HRV. Beautiful. Lisa wants to know,
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tell me about coffee and my dopamine receptors. I feel really stressed, but I love my morning coffee.
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Do you have any solutions? Well, I quit coffee for five years because it was making me
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anxious and it was giving me cravings. And then I had a cup of coffee that didn't do it. And
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the next day, another one that did do it. And I'm like, oh, it's something in the coffee.
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So try danger coffee. It's called danger because who knows what you might do?
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It's lab tested. It has electrolytes and a high dose of minerals. In fact, the minerals in
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there would cost you about 22 bucks if you were to buy a minerals supplement. So it's a good value.
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But having minerals and electrolytes in your coffee and no mold will change the response to it.
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And coffee isn't that big of a dopamine kick compared to many of the other things you do.
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So that can be one to five cups in many, many, many, many studies. It is the best
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health food, the best super food. It is better than kale or spinach or whatever.
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It's just it's associated with living longer and reduction of almost everything.
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And if you're sensitive to caffeine, decaf coffee works as well.
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You got it. Danger comes in decaf too, doesn't it?
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It does. And it's the only clean decaf you will find on the planet that goes to those standards.
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Absolutely. So danger coffees on the client to prove list found on my website also through
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days. The last few questions for rapid fire. If you could think about, you know, one thing
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where people are making healing and helps to complicate it, what is it?
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Feeling like you have to do the same thing every day. That's not how nature works.
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So don't do the same thing every day. Just set aside a time and do something to improve yourself.
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And working out every day is bad for you. Do the same every day. It's just bad for you.
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Don't do that. Do what you're about to need.
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Helping liberating too. It's not a better writing somewhere.
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I just like tune in. I love that. If you had to pick something about modern medicine that
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excites you, what would it be? The number of lawsuits against big pharma for all the evil they've
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done. Yeah. I also would, I have to have the flip side of that. That was kind of dark,
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but also kind of funny. And it's funny. Gene therapy for longevity is real. I've done it.
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And I kind of continue doing it. And you can reduce your age. I could have more control over
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a biology than ever before. So there's great power in that. Yeah. Beautiful.
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And Dave, tell us about what you're excited for in the future.
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Well, I've been really public about the fact that I spent a couple of million dollars
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to reverse my age. And I'm going to live to at least 180. Still on that path. And I'm expanding
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the things I'm doing. The conference is getting bigger. Steve Aoki is performing at the conference
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in a week. And the book just hit shelves. There's number one best selling and meditation books,
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number 19. I saw that this morning. So I'm super stoked. And look, I just, I want to help people.
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And I want to share things so that you don't go through all the crap that I went through when I was
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young. It's just not necessary. And when I see all these friends who are under 30,
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I guess we've got to hang out more. So just making things that are accessible because the younger
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you are when you figure out that consciousness is important, the longevity is important,
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the less work it takes. If you wait till you're old, it takes a lot of work and a lot of money.
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Absolutely. Do you know because of, I guess, inspiration through you. When I think about longevity,
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I have such a clear picture of myself on a mountain with a grand kid on my back. And when I teach
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other people about longevity, I teach them to like really breathe into it, visualize it, smell it,
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feel it. What is it going to taste like? So that it really becomes a reality. It makes
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doing the things every single day more attainable. The purpose becomes so much bigger than yourself.
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It really does. Day, thank you for everything. Thank you for bringing here today. Thank you for
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like merging the world's spirituality with high performance and intuition. I really think that,
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you know, the work that you do is just so phenomenal. I think everyone knows where to find you.
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If you don't have the book, please go and get heavily meditated. Check out daybaspery.com.
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Your books and all of your resources are so helpful. Thank you so much.
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Thanks, Mona. And thanks for having me on.