#102 | Why LGBTQ Courage Starts with Vulnerability: Ally Guidance from Yuval David on Storytelling, Identity & Faith

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Welcome back to Just Breathe.

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I am so happy you are here.

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I am really, really excited to bring you today's interview.

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I you know how you have those conversations or you know that you're going to have a conversation with someone and you just have no idea how it's going to turn out and when you have it, whether it's a meeting or an interview or whatever it is, but once you have it, you're thinking, oh my goodness, this was extraordinary and absolutely nowhere near what I thought it was going to be.

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That is today's interview.

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The conversation that you are about to enjoy is quite possibly one of the most unique interviews I have ever, ever shared with you, prepared to be entertained and even perhaps enlightened.

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This conversation was truly, truly an honor to have so my guest today is Yuval David.

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He is a celebrated and Emmy award winning actor, host, director and filmmaker who has won over 100 international film festival awards.

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His creative mantra to entertain, uplift and inspire shapes his approach to storytelling with boldness, vulnerability and authenticity in representing characters and narratives.

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As a filmmaker, Yuval directs, writes and produces feature length films and short films, documentaries, web series, as well as digital and episodic TV content.

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His most recent feature length documentary is getting industry and media buzz and is currently in the film festival circuit.

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It's called Wonderfully LGBTQ R Religion and we will be talking about this today.

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I'm so excited for you to learn more, so sit tight.

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As an actor, Yuval plays leading roles in film, television, theater, web and digital media, as well as voiceovers.

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As a TV host and presenter, Yuval focuses on societal, humanitarian, food, travel, cultural and entertainment programming.

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His work is seen on network television, documentary films, web series and regularly at live events.

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He is a news commentator on broadcast news programs speaking about social and political issues and causes, often speaking about civil rights, social justice, and representation in politics, social movements, entertainment and media.

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In addition to his work in entertainment and media, Yuval is a passionate advocate and activist.

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Advocacy for the marginalized and underrepresented is a driving force along with his focus on Jewish, lgbtq, humanitarian, arts and creative initiatives.

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So without further ado, I am absolutely thrilled to bring you my conversation with Yuval David.

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Welcome to Just Breathe Parenting, your LGBTQ team, the podcast transforming the conversation around loving and raising an LGBTQ child.

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My name is Heather Hester and I am so grateful you are here.

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I want you to take a deep breath and know that for the time we are together, you are in the safety of the Just Breathe nest.

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Whether today's show is an amazing Guest or me sharing stories, resources, strategies or lessons I've learned along our journey, I want you to feel like.

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Or just hanging out at a coffee shop having a cozy chat.

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Most of all, I want you to remember that wherever you are on this journey right now, in this moment in time, you are not alone.

Yuval David
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Welcome back to Just Breathe.

Yuval David
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I am so happy you all are here today and I am really, really excited about this conversation that you are about to listen in on.

Yuval David
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My guest today is Yuval and I've.

Yuval David
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I've just was practicing a little bit.

Yuval David
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It's a beautiful name.

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Let's do that intro one more time.

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Yeah, you don't be timid with me and my name people too timid.

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Okay.

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I mean, even if you're using this as your intro, just say my name again.

Yuval David
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Yuval.

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There you go, Yuval.

Yuval David
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There we go.

Yuval David
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I got it.

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Many goals in life, but a new one that just came up right now, I didn't know was a goal of mine until this moment is for people to just when they reference me, to do so with confidence and boldness.

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So yeah, let's, let's give you.

Yuval David
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Well, let's, let's do that again then because that was not confident or bold.

Yuval David
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It was.

Yuval David
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I am still trying to get the sound right in my head.

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Just remember, ah, Yuval.

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Or just say my name however you want to say it.

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It's a name that's said by people in different places and they all have their different accents and dialects and well.

Yuval David
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It is, it is a beautiful name.

Yuval David
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And I think that is something that actually this lends itself to so many different conversations of people being worried about saying things wrong.

Yuval David
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Right.

Yuval David
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I mean we can take that somewhere else, couldn't we?

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Absolutely.

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But we can't be worried about what we.

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About everything that we do.

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If we do things from a good place, then go with it, then run with it.

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I mean, even if I pronounce your name Heather and you then correct me or you choose not to because maybe you like that I call you Heather or he ought her.

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Actually that sounds pretty amazing.

Yuval David
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That does.

Yuval David
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I might have to change my name now.

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Queen Hiata.

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Her warrior goddess.

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I think that needs to be your name.

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Hyatt.

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Oh my God.

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I see you with a sword and like.

Yuval David
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Right.

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Huge sword.

Guest
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Like the kind that just nobody gets to use other than Hiyata.

Yuval David
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Her Than me.

Yuval David
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Oh, I like that.

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Wow.

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I think you.

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We now have your avatar.

Yuval David
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I think so.

Guest
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Oh, can you say Hiyata her?

Yuval David
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Oh goodness.

Yuval David
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Hiyata her.

Yuval David
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Right.

Yuval David
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I knocked that right out.

Yuval David
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Of the park the first time.

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Hiyata her, I think.

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Yeah, you should go with that.

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Even when you're.

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I don't know when you're.

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When you're checking in at a hotel or when a telemarketer calls you and say, oh, I'm sorry, you mispronounced my name.

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It's he.

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Otter.

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Just have them say it.

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That would be great.

Yuval David
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Wouldn't that be so much fun?

Yuval David
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And they have to say it like that.

Yuval David
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I think you need to be my branding manager.

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With a bit of a growl, he had her.

Yuval David
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Yeah.

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Your turn.

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Do it.

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Come on, give us.

Yuval David
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All right.

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He ought to her, I think, Red hearing that, that was amazing.

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He ought to her.

Yuval David
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I think so.

Yuval David
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I like that.

Yuval David
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All right, well, yeah, now, this was an intro.

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This was a good intro.

Yuval David
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This was.

Yuval David
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And now Yuval.

Yuval David
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Yuval, great.

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Yeah, whatever.

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It's all good.

Yuval David
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By the end, I'm gonna just be.

Yuval David
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It's gonna be 12 different ways that I've said it, and I'm gonna finally find the way that I like it.

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Yeah.

Yuval David
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Just out of my mouth.

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Life is an exploration and.

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And we must continue to explore ourselves and allow other people to explore how they.

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How they see us and define us and receive us.

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And, you know, here we go.

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We're using our names as a way to.

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To symbolize that type of exploration.

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And we talk about the relationships that we have in life so often, and even those change, relationships develop, and we need to let that development happen, because if something is stagnant, well, it's.

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It's boring.

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And life is too short to be boring.

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And even after life, things continue to change, you know, a decay happens.

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Memories change and get passed on from one person to another or one being to another.

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And if eventually we all turn into sand and eventually trees and the wind and the air, and it is what it is.

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So hi to her.

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It's a pleasure to be speaking here with you as Yuval.

Yuval David
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Yuval.

Yuval David
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Yuval.

Yuval David
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I'm delighted to have you here, and I just.

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I'm delighted to have to have you here, too.

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To be here with you and to be invited on your show.

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You know, you're doing.

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You're doing something with your life.

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You're using your life as a form of advocacy.

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You're sharing your journey, your path and other people's journeys and other people's paths by.

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By being vulnerable to sharing yourself and.

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And what you and your family are and.

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And are becoming and are developing.

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So, yeah, thanks for doing that.

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I want everybody to do that.

Yuval David
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I do, too.

Yuval David
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I mean, that is definitely one of the reasons I do this is to encourage others to.

Yuval David
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To do the same and to.

Yuval David
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To embrace all of it.

Yuval David
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Not just the easy and the.

Yuval David
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And the beautiful, but the messy as well.

Guest
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Yeah.

Yuval David
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And the messy is sometimes equally as beautiful, so.

Guest
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Well, you know, as.

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As a.

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As a storyteller, which.

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That's really the one.

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If I need to use one term to define everything that I do, it's probably that, you know, I work as.

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As an actor, as a filmmaker, as a director, as a news commentator, as a television host, but also as an activist and advocate.

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And throughout all of it, I think of the story, the journey, the characters, and the narratives that I'm imparting and the audience who's receiving the information that I'm trying to share.

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What version of myself am I sharing?

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I am all of me, all the time.

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Right.

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I can't cut any part of myself out when I choose to share a version of myself.

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And I will never let somebody cut part of me out, part of me that they might not want or might not accept.

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I'm all of me.

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But how do I.

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How do I manipulate that message?

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How do I present what I want to present in a way that I think that they want to or are ready to receive it?

Guest
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Or do I present it in a way that they might not want to receive it, but in a way that I embrace the challenge, embrace the messiness, as you just spoke about.

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Because it's what is imperfect that is most compelling.

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It is what is most messy that resonates with more people.

Yuval David
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That is 100% true.

Yuval David
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And I think a lot of times that's where the growth happens.

Guest
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Right?

Yuval David
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I mean, you can see light bulbs starting to go off.

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I do.

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You.

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You look so much brighter.

Guest
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You got brighter all of a sudden.

Guest
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Or wait, or are your light bulbs like the.

Guest
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The really old school flash bulbs of, like, cameras in the.

Guest
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I don't know what it was, like the 19.

Yuval David
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Whatever those were, like, where they'd burn out after one.

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One time.

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Yeah.

Yuval David
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Yeah.

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No, it's not.

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You.

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You don't burn out after a flash.

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You just get brighter.

Yuval David
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I do, I.

Yuval David
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I do.

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You do.

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I mean, look, I.

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I really appreciate the name Just Breathe.

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Right?

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The.

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The name that you're using here.

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And it's something that I try to do, especially when I'm feeling taxed and challenged and overwhelmed, which happens.

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I mean, lately it's been happening a lot.

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And I.

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Yeah, I embrace it and I say, okay, let me just center myself and just.

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And just breathe and When I, when I try to help entertain, uplift and inspire other people, which is my, one of my mantras, one of my brand statements of how I do everything I do to entertain, uplift and inspire.

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If I can entertain, uplift and inspire myself, and all who I'm collaborating with and all who I hope to have as my audiences or the people who receive and absorb whatever it is that I'm doing, I try to do that.

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So when I feel challenged in the process of entertain, uplift and inspire, I just breathe and take that moment.

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And right now I hear my microphone and the sounds.

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It's capturing every sound.

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And on one hand it's making me extremely self conscious, but on the other hand, it just, it is where I am.

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It is.

Yuval David
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It's beautiful.

Yuval David
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I will tell you, it is beautiful.

Yuval David
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It's.

Yuval David
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What I, what's coming through to me is I'm rather captured in this moment and it's, it's clear.

Yuval David
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There's a, there's so much in what you're saying, and I'm so appreciative of it.

Guest
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Good.

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Because it's, it's real.

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The nervousness is, is there.

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This has been a day, it's been a, a week and a month.

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And however vague that is, it's everything you could imagine.

Guest
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The, the highs and the lows of life have been experienced.

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I, I found out today that a friend of mine passed away.

Guest
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And it was, I found that out between having to be on the news, commenting about the SAG Aftra strike and what's happening in Hollywood right now.

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And before that, I was speaking about the plight of LGBTQ people in non democratic countries.

Guest
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So after talking about LGBTQ people, hearing about my friend, and then having to speak about SAG Aftra and having a glass of water and now speaking with you, my head has kind of.

Guest
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I don't know, my head has been spinning and it's, my head isn't spinning.

Guest
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I feel like I need to take more breaths.

Guest
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And it's not about, it's not about not having a conversation with you or not or saying no to something else.

Guest
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It's saying, this is the reality.

Guest
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This is the reality of life.

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When we engage in a lot and when we allow ourselves to be engaged.

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That's not to say that we shouldn't take a break, that we shouldn't pause.

Guest
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And believe me, I am going to take some breaks and pauses today.

Yuval David
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Good.

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It's reminding people that sometimes life, not sometimes, always life happens.

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Life always happens.

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And the more you're connected to the light, to Life, the more life you're going to feel, the more you.

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You pour yourself into life and allow yourselves to be that vulnerable being who is permeable, but from which your bravery and your courage comes from, the more you're going to feel it.

Guest
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The more you will need to take that break and breathe, the more you'll need to be in the moment with complete action and still just breathe.

Guest
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That's something that I get from the title of your podcast here, and it's something I remind myself in those challenging moments, whether I choose them or whether I don't.

Yuval David
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Yes, yes.

Yuval David
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Well, it allows us to keep moving and it allows, I think that moment of pause is so valuable and sometimes can do more for us than, you know, eight hours of sleep.

Guest
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Or can it, though?

Guest
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Because eight hours is amazing.

Yuval David
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It really is.

Yuval David
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I mean, don't get me wrong, but sometimes we don't have that available to us.

Yuval David
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Right.

Yuval David
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It may not be possible for many reasons.

Yuval David
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So having.

Yuval David
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You know, there were a million reasons why I named the podcast Just Breathe, but that is certainly one of them because it is something that we can do at any time and it is always available.

Guest
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It is always available to just breathe.

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I developed a habit where.

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Which I try to impart onto other people because it's really worked for me when I take those moments, whether you call it the just Breathe moment or taking a beat or centering yourself or a term I like from.

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From the film and television world.

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Going back to one, Go back to one.

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Go back to your mark.

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We're starting at the beginning of the scene.

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So in that moment, in that beat, in the moment where you just breathe and absorb the world around you and the world within you choose in that moment to immediately bless that moment, yourself and the environment and the world around you acknowledge that moment and say to yourself, I have no idea what is going to happen next.

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I can plan, I can do the work, I can do the preparation for whatever is going to happen next.

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But I don't actually know what is going to happen because I am living and I'm alive and I'm awake and I'm engaged.

Guest
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And don't lose your or don't base your gratitude for this life on how you're feeling in that moment or how you might look or the successes or the failures of your preparation and your practices.

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But base your gratitude forward the moment merely because you have the moment and because you are.

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Because I am.

Guest
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In Hebrew, there's a word, hineni, which is a biblical Hebrew word, which those of you who have studied The Bible, you might have first heard that word hineni, when.

Guest
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When Moses walks up to the burning bush and God says, should I do, like the old school?

Yuval David
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Let's do it.

Yuval David
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Yeah.

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And God speaks to Moses from the burning bush and says, moses.

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Because for some reason back then, God always had a British accent.

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Moses.

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Moses.

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And Moses was American in.

Guest
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What is it?

Guest
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Charlton Heston?

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Who is it?

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Yes, and he was American, but God was British.

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And.

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And anyway.

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But in the.

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In the Hebrew Bible, Moses responds, hineni, which means I.

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I am.

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I.

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I am.

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So in that moment, base your gratitude for the life, for this moment, merely because you have this moment.

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Because you are.

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Because I am.

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And then with that mindfulness and with the direction of.

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Of your spirit, whatever you're feeling, however you look, whatever your preparation and whatever your life was like before this moment, whatever your moments before were, with your mindfulness and direction of your spirit to yourself say, I am.

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I am here.

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I am now.

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This moment will never come again.

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This moment will never happen ever again.

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I will never look exactly like this.

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I will never feel exactly like this.

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The people and the world and the environment that I'm looking at and engaging with will never be exactly the same as it is right now.

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I won't ever see the sun twinkle, the sunlight twinkling on the rippling water in front of me.

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I won't see that leaf blow in the winds the way it does.

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My jaw might not clench as it does.

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I might not smell that distant scent of a flower or the lavender in the distance the way I am right now.

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I might not hear the bird chirping or the truck driving down the road or an ambulance siren in the distance just like that.

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I might not ever see the stars twinkle the same way that they are right now, or feel the wetness of the night grass as I look up at the moon, the same way as I am right now.

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I will never have this moment the way I am right now.

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I will never speak the way I am right now or hear the way I am right now.

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I won't be the way I am right now.

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I might not ever hear my friend's voice again as I have right now or as I have in the moment before.

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My mother might not look the same as she did last week or the week before.

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I won't have the same feelings as I have right now or as I felt before, because each of those things is unique in the moment.

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And I won't ever experience any of these things ever in the exact same way again.

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And that's the way that is life.

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Nothing in my life will ever happen just like this ever again.

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And not.

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But.

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And I keep moving forward.

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My life is moving forward.

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My gratitude for this life, for this moment is.

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It is because I am here, because I am now, because I am.

Guest
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And now I just breathe.

Yuval David
00:25:10
You've left me a little bit speechless, which is unusual.

Yuval David
00:25:15
Every.

Yuval David
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Everybody listening knows that.

Yuval David
00:25:21
Thank you.

Yuval David
00:25:24
I've never thought about those moments of gratitude like that.

Yuval David
00:25:32
Oftentimes you think about.

Yuval David
00:25:34
I mean, typically, honestly, I am grateful for what I have, right?

Yuval David
00:25:42
I am grateful for what is.

Yuval David
00:25:46
I am grateful for what I am manifesting, right?

Yuval David
00:25:52
But not.

Yuval David
00:25:53
I am grateful, period.

Guest
00:25:59
The more we.

Guest
00:26:01
The more we practice gratefulness.

Guest
00:26:04
And I have no long how.

Guest
00:26:06
I have no clue how long it took me to say what I just said.

Guest
00:26:09
I lost a sense of time there.

Yuval David
00:26:12
That's okay.

Guest
00:26:13
But those thoughts don't have to take as long as I said them.

Guest
00:26:18
Doesn't have to take 5 minutes, 10 minutes, 1 minute, an hour, a day.

Guest
00:26:24
It can be momentary, it can be a split second.

Guest
00:26:28
The more we practice that, the more available it becomes, that momentary gratitude, that momentary blessing, self blessing for ourselves and for the world and universe around us.

Yuval David
00:26:51
That is the lesson.

Yuval David
00:26:54
The end.

Yuval David
00:26:54
We're done now.

Guest
00:26:55
And.

Yuval David
00:26:59
That'S right.

Guest
00:27:00
And now I go back to one.

Yuval David
00:27:02
Oh, my goodness.

Yuval David
00:27:05
Okay.

Yuval David
00:27:07
If anybody else cried, it's okay, because I.

Yuval David
00:27:10
I am crying.

Yuval David
00:27:12
So just hold that.

Yuval David
00:27:16
It's okay.

Yuval David
00:27:17
Tears are good.

Guest
00:27:18
Tears are good.

Guest
00:27:20
Tears are.

Guest
00:27:21
Are actually very important.

Guest
00:27:24
It's cathartic.

Guest
00:27:25
And there's something in too many societies for our people and for our people, I mean, our human people around the world, where within these societies they try to say that it's not okay to cry, you know, oh, don't cry.

Guest
00:27:46
Don't.

Guest
00:27:46
Don't cry.

Guest
00:27:47
It's okay.

Guest
00:27:48
Don't cry.

Guest
00:27:49
Or be a man.

Guest
00:27:50
Hate that one.

Guest
00:27:52
Yeah, I hear that a lot.

Guest
00:27:53
Or don't be a pussy, right?

Guest
00:27:56
Don't cry.

Guest
00:27:58
In fact, crying is so healthy, it is so real.

Guest
00:28:04
And do you know what?

Guest
00:28:05
Our eyes need it too, because it's cleansing.

Guest
00:28:08
It cleanses our eyes.

Guest
00:28:10
We tear up when dust blows in our eyes.

Guest
00:28:13
We tear up when dust blows into our soul.

Guest
00:28:16
We tear up when something feels dirty or spicy, right?

Guest
00:28:22
We terrible spicy food.

Guest
00:28:24
I'm a spiced addict.

Guest
00:28:26
Right?

Guest
00:28:27
For people who, who are feeling trapped or are dealing with anxiety and depression or are trying to suppress whatever it is in.

Guest
00:28:41
In their life, go to your own quiet space if you can find it, if you have it, and play one of those.

Guest
00:28:51
Playlists that you can find on, I don't know, Spotify, on Apple, on Amazon Music or wherever you can find music.

Guest
00:28:59
Or sing your own song that brings about tears, the playlist or the song that will make you cry, Let it out.

Guest
00:29:11
Let yourself feel those tears.

Guest
00:29:15
And if you have noticed that you haven't cried for a long time, please for yourself, give yourself that moment of self gratitude to cry.

Guest
00:29:29
It is balancing and it is cathartic and it is so important in our lives.

Guest
00:29:38
I mean, howl at the moon.

Guest
00:29:42
Go out and howl at the moon.

Guest
00:29:47
Bathe in water and, you know, let your soul, the sound, reach the depths of your gut.

Yuval David
00:29:59
Yeah.

Guest
00:30:01
And if you ever hear somebody saying to someone else, oh, don't cry, quickly chime in and say, it's okay to cry.

Guest
00:30:12
I'm, I'm here with you and if you don't want me here with you, I'm over there with you.

Yuval David
00:30:19
Yes, yes.

Yuval David
00:30:23
It is such an important release and it's a really good thing to teach our children.

Guest
00:30:32
Absolutely.

Yuval David
00:30:35
And to your point, to share with, share with everyone around us.

Yuval David
00:30:39
But as a lot, a lot of you listening are parents, it's never too late to shift that messaging.

Guest
00:30:48
Is crying more vulnerable than laughing?

Yuval David
00:30:53
I believe, I think that is the stigma.

Yuval David
00:30:57
What do you think?

Guest
00:31:01
Maybe that's too general of a question.

Guest
00:31:05
I want to say no, but you're right, there's a stigma that's associated with it.

Guest
00:31:12
It's okay for us to see somebody cry with joy and cry with delight or surprise and we think that that's wonderful.

Guest
00:31:23
But to cry with a remorse or loss or sadness or depression.

Yuval David
00:31:31
Yeah.

Guest
00:31:31
It's as if we try to mask the fact that the lows are part of life, but they're part of life.

Guest
00:31:39
They happen and they will happen and they're going to happen.

Guest
00:31:43
And more of them will happen as long as we live.

Guest
00:31:47
So as long as we embrace the vulnerability of true self expression, which crying oftentimes is based on the way we're socialized, we recognize that crying, just like all of our vulnerabilities, are a power.

Guest
00:32:13
Vulnerability is a power.

Guest
00:32:16
It's acknowledging vulnerability as a self power.

Guest
00:32:20
When we feel it or when we express it, it's a power.

Guest
00:32:26
Sharing it with others is maybe even more vulnerable.

Guest
00:32:33
It's even more of a power.

Guest
00:32:35
But not everybody has to receive our vulnerability.

Guest
00:32:40
Not everybody needs to choose to go on that journey with us.

Guest
00:32:45
That's their own choice.

Guest
00:32:46
And we can also choose who we feel safe enough to be vulnerable with.

Guest
00:32:53
We need to trust somebody to truly and authentically Share our vulnerability.

Guest
00:33:00
I mean, have you ever signed an NDA, a non disclosure agreement?

Yuval David
00:33:06
Yes.

Guest
00:33:06
Yes, I have, so many times.

Guest
00:33:12
But I can't tell you about it.

Guest
00:33:15
But if we really share that vulnerability with somebody in our truest way, and I'm not just speaking now as an actor and as a director and as a storyteller, news commentator, when I go onto public platforms and share my vulnerabilities or the vulnerability of the narrative or the story, I'm talking about the more intimate relationships, the more real here and now type of moments.

Guest
00:33:44
If we're sharing the vulnerability with someone, then maybe, maybe that someone has to be somebody who we have an NDA with the non disclosure agreement.

Guest
00:33:59
If you're truly going to share all of yourself without filters, then share that with somebody who you trust, who has that non disclosure agreement, that NDA.

Guest
00:34:13
But if we share a vulnerability with everybody, even if we don't know them or trust them, then you know what?

Guest
00:34:20
It's not a vulnerability.

Guest
00:34:23
Because vulnerability includes a risk and an uncertainty.

Guest
00:34:27
And not everybody deserves that disclosure.

Guest
00:34:30
Not everyone is that safe person.

Guest
00:34:33
Not every situation is that safe space.

Guest
00:34:36
Not everybody is the right person and not every moment is the right moment for you to totally be open as you are.

Guest
00:34:45
Because we are human beings, we are animals, and we do have to be on guard.

Guest
00:34:50
We do have to be ready.

Guest
00:34:52
It's how we're trained.

Guest
00:34:54
As much as we try to use the, the mantras and the meditations and the dogmatic religions and whatever philosophy books to be bigger and greater than ourselves, the truth is get deeper and more specific into yourself, into how small you are.

Guest
00:35:13
And then you'll know when to be vulnerable and when not.

Guest
00:35:18
And then your vulnerability, when you are so much more special, so much more beautiful and cathartic.

Guest
00:35:30
Whoa.

Guest
00:35:31
I didn't expect this kind of conversation in our podcast today.

Yuval David
00:35:36
I didn't either.

Yuval David
00:35:37
I really didn't at all.

Yuval David
00:35:39
And I'm, I am, I am rather taken by it.

Yuval David
00:35:44
I know I just said that, but I'm searching for another way to describe it is truly unique.

Yuval David
00:35:54
I have in my 100 plus episodes.

Yuval David
00:35:59
Congratulations.

Yuval David
00:36:00
Thank you.

Yuval David
00:36:02
Have not had a conversation like this ever.

Yuval David
00:36:07
And, and I have had lovely conversations with lovely people.

Yuval David
00:36:12
But this is very thought provoking.

Yuval David
00:36:18
And even on this point of vulnerability, thinking about the times that how difficult it is for many to be vulnerable at all.

Yuval David
00:36:31
And that really takes.

Heather Hester
00:36:35
A lot of.

Yuval David
00:36:35
Inner work, a lot of courage, a lot of being connected, but then understanding also how being vulnerable can help others.

Guest
00:36:51
Yeah, well, you know, you focus a lot on family Relationships.

Guest
00:36:58
Right on.

Guest
00:37:00
Parents and, and children and future parents and grandparents and you know, all the relationships, the entire lineage.

Guest
00:37:11
And I think that's.

Guest
00:37:13
Those are the relationships where, when they are relationships that are based in love, in just loving your children, loving your parents and your grandparents and your grandchildren and whatever it is.

Guest
00:37:30
Those are the relationships where, the loving relationships where people do allow themselves to experience vulnerability and ensuring, creating, fighting for those safe spaces to allow those we love to be able to be vulnerable.

Yuval David
00:37:53
Yes.

Guest
00:37:54
When we can think about that, that those are the NDA people, those are the non disclosure agreement people.

Guest
00:38:00
And that includes our chosen family.

Guest
00:38:03
Right.

Guest
00:38:04
Not only the families we're born to, but our innermost circle.

Guest
00:38:09
We must always make sure that we can be vulnerable in that innermost circle.

Guest
00:38:16
And we must always ensure that those who share that space with us can be vulnerable as well.

Guest
00:38:22
And it's our duty to them to have that safe space where we can laugh and we can cry and maybe one second after the other, maybe one moment after the other, or both at the same time.

Yuval David
00:38:36
Yeah.

Guest
00:38:37
And to just breathe together.

Guest
00:38:39
You know, we, we have these yoga classes where the yoga instructor might read from a book and give, you know, her philosophical thoughts of the day.

Guest
00:38:50
And we think about the breath and we have the meditation classes and the, the houses of worship or even just waking up in the morning.

Guest
00:39:02
You wake up in the morning and you have that breath, or maybe that breath as you snuggle into bed.

Guest
00:39:17
It's that vulnerable moment to allow yourself to relax and to just be.

Guest
00:39:24
Those are teaching moments for the rest of the moments throughout our days, especially the moments that challenge us.

Guest
00:39:30
And if we can prepare and train for the moments that challenge us.

Guest
00:39:34
Because even in the most highly stressful, highly frightening, challenging, intense, angering, whatever moments, the most intense moments, that's when we need to have that just breathe moment.

Guest
00:39:51
Those are the moments where we need to recognize our vulnerability.

Guest
00:39:55
Because it's from that vulnerability that we know how to be strong and we know how to be brave.

Guest
00:40:01
Bravery and courage doesn't come from strength, it comes from weakness.

Guest
00:40:10
It comes from acknowledging our weaknesses and then knowing what we need to defend, what we need to protect, what we need to fight for and fight forward, not fight back for.

Guest
00:40:26
How do we fight forward for it?

Guest
00:40:29
Yeah.

Guest
00:40:30
And ride it out.

Yuval David
00:40:33
Well, also I think knowing that we don't need to know.

Guest
00:40:39
We can want to know.

Guest
00:40:41
We don't need to know, but we can absolutely want to know.

Yuval David
00:40:45
Yes.

Guest
00:40:46
And in contrast, I guess we also have the right to just not want to know.

Guest
00:40:51
I do not Have.

Yuval David
00:40:52
Also true.

Yuval David
00:40:53
Yeah.

Yuval David
00:40:54
I don't have the capacity for knowing.

Guest
00:40:56
Yep.

Guest
00:40:57
I can't even.

Guest
00:40:59
I like that expression.

Guest
00:41:00
I can't even.

Yuval David
00:41:01
I can't even.

Yuval David
00:41:02
Oh, I use it all the time.

Guest
00:41:04
Yeah, I've been using it lately.

Guest
00:41:06
I can't even.

Yuval David
00:41:08
It really just holds.

Yuval David
00:41:13
It covers everything, doesn't it?

Yuval David
00:41:17
At times when perhaps you can't use other words or phrases you'd like to.

Yuval David
00:41:21
It really covers a lot.

Guest
00:41:24
My can't even lately has become.

Guest
00:41:28
I don't have the bandwidth for that.

Guest
00:41:30
Yeah, that's what I've been saying lately.

Guest
00:41:33
I can't even.

Guest
00:41:34
I don't have the.

Guest
00:41:35
I choose to not have the bandwidth for this thing right now.

Yuval David
00:41:39
Yes, yes, you are protecting.

Guest
00:41:45
Yeah, protecting my vulnerabilities, protecting my weaknesses in the moment.

Guest
00:41:50
Saying I cannot.

Guest
00:41:53
I can't even right now.

Guest
00:41:54
I can't do this for myself.

Guest
00:41:56
To myself right now.

Guest
00:41:59
And that's okay.

Guest
00:42:00
And that is okay.

Yuval David
00:42:03
It is okay.

Yuval David
00:42:05
Because if you don't take that time for yourself and you don't take that moment for yourself, then you know you're going to burn out.

Yuval David
00:42:19
And any person.

Yuval David
00:42:20
But I mean, especially doing all of the work that you do.

Guest
00:42:26
Yeah, look, I mean, everything that I've been saying in this conversation, I also say to myself and remind of working within entertainment, media and social and political advocacy.

Guest
00:42:46
Those worlds and industries and communities are challenging.

Guest
00:42:55
And I pour all of myself into it because I also enjoy it and I delight in it and I'm passionate about it and I care with every fiber of my being.

Guest
00:43:08
Yet I have seen burnout on the horizon.

Guest
00:43:13
I've experienced burnout.

Guest
00:43:17
And I know how much I need to give myself in order to give others.

Guest
00:43:22
It's.

Guest
00:43:24
It's like when.

Guest
00:43:25
When on the airplanes, there's the emergency announcement.

Guest
00:43:28
I'm sure you've heard this referenced before because a lot of people say what I'm about to say.

Guest
00:43:35
When the flight attendants do the whole shtick of showing you what you know, how to put your seatbelt on and all that, they say if the airbags drop, you must first put the airbag or face mask, whatever it's called on yourself before you put it on your children or your loved ones.

Guest
00:43:54
Because if we don't take care of ourselves first, we can never take care of anybody else.

Guest
00:43:59
If you can't love yourself, you can never love anybody else.

Yuval David
00:44:06
Yeah.

Yuval David
00:44:08
Yeah.

Guest
00:44:09
And when we recognize that burnout, that just means we haven't been loving ourselves enough.

Guest
00:44:15
And I've been experiencing that myself for myself, the way I treat myself.

Guest
00:44:25
And it is not a good feeling to have.

Guest
00:44:29
It is not a good realization to have, but it's an important one to have.

Guest
00:44:34
It's necessary.

Guest
00:44:36
It's saying, oh, whoa, I need to take two letters, the letter N and the letter O and put them together and say, no, I'm not available for that.

Guest
00:44:52
No, I don't have the bandwidth for that.

Guest
00:44:55
No, I can't even.

Yuval David
00:44:58
Yeah.

Yuval David
00:45:00
Yes.

Guest
00:45:01
So that.

Guest
00:45:03
That's something that I.

Guest
00:45:06
Something that's important for people to.

Guest
00:45:09
To recognize and.

Guest
00:45:10
And within our LGBTQIA plus community.

Guest
00:45:15
And the plus of the community is the most important part of that Alphabet soup of.

Guest
00:45:22
Of the name of our community and our LGBTQIA plus movement, because it's the plus of allyship.

Guest
00:45:31
And the plus means a lot of things.

Guest
00:45:34
The plus of the LGBTQIA plus means that we have allies, the people who support us, who love us, who are connected to us.

Guest
00:45:44
The plus also means we have more letters coming, girl.

Guest
00:45:47
We have more letters.

Guest
00:45:48
We don't know what they are yet, and we haven't named them yet.

Guest
00:45:51
Or maybe they are named and we're still working on adding them.

Guest
00:45:54
So it's plus we're going to add.

Yuval David
00:45:57
Yep.

Guest
00:45:58
But it's also the plus.

Guest
00:45:59
The allyship that we can give each other and ourselves.

Guest
00:46:03
Every single one of us is the plus.

Guest
00:46:06
Whether you are the L, the G, the B, the T, the Q, the I, the A, you know, whatever, or.

Guest
00:46:12
Or whatever.

Guest
00:46:13
Other letters that haven't yet named.

Guest
00:46:16
Every one of us has to be the plus for ourselves and for each other.

Guest
00:46:21
It's why I oftentimes say that our LGBTQIA + community is more of a movement than a community, because many of us are not being the plus for each other.

Guest
00:46:37
And, yeah, we need to try to be the plus for each other.

Guest
00:46:42
Actually.

Guest
00:46:42
Don't try.

Guest
00:46:43
Do it.

Guest
00:46:43
Just be the plus.

Yuval David
00:46:45
Just be the plus.

Guest
00:46:46
Right?

Guest
00:46:47
I mean, it's what Yoda said.

Guest
00:46:50
There is no try.

Guest
00:46:51
There is only do or do not.

Guest
00:46:56
Sorry, I'm a giant dork.

Guest
00:46:58
It is what it is like, I can't.

Yuval David
00:47:00
That is awesome.

Yuval David
00:47:01
Thank you.

Yuval David
00:47:01
You just made my entire day.

Guest
00:47:03
I mean, I'm not only going to make you cry.

Guest
00:47:05
I can't.

Guest
00:47:06
I can do some Yoda, but, you.

Yuval David
00:47:10
Know, I mean, not many people can do that.

Yuval David
00:47:13
I just, for a moment, have to.

Yuval David
00:47:15
I want everybody to take that in.

Guest
00:47:16
I'm such a Star wars geek.

Guest
00:47:18
It's like, it's.

Guest
00:47:20
Yeah, it's a thing.

Yuval David
00:47:24
It is a thing, but there are few that can pull that off, so.

Yuval David
00:47:28
Bravo.

Guest
00:47:29
Well, I mean, throughout my life, I grew up speaking multiple different languages and I specialize in accents and dialects when I do voiceovers.

Guest
00:47:41
And as an actor, I'd say probably.

Guest
00:47:46
Probably three quarters of the roles I've ever played have been foreigners, or let's just call them non Americans, you know, depending on where your audience is.

Guest
00:47:58
So I practice my using my voice a lot.

Guest
00:48:03
How can I use my voice in a way that will impact somebody or that will convey my character's truth?

Guest
00:48:13
How can I use my voice in a way that shares my own truth?

Guest
00:48:19
And I notice that the more stressed I get, the more anxious I get and exhausted I get, the more nasal I get.

Guest
00:48:27
So I tend to get like, really here, like very much in the.

Guest
00:48:33
Straight behind the bridge of my nose and when I'm most grounded.

Guest
00:48:39
Oh, I love that voice.

Guest
00:48:40
That's like the.

Guest
00:48:42
That's the me I want to be.

Guest
00:48:44
The.

Guest
00:48:45
Oh, wow.

Guest
00:48:46
Listen to that depths, Depth.

Guest
00:48:49
Listen to that breath.

Guest
00:48:53
So, yeah.

Guest
00:48:54
Oh, gosh, I'm just giving you.

Guest
00:48:56
I'm philosophizing non stop.

Guest
00:48:58
We were just went from Yoda, my Yoda impersonation to philosophizing about.

Guest
00:49:03
About voices.

Guest
00:49:04
The point of that was that I like to practice different voices.

Guest
00:49:07
And when I'm anonymous, like when I'm at the grocery store or out shopping or speaking to somebody who I think I might never talk to again, many times I'm not this Yuval.

Guest
00:49:19
Like, I will say, oh, this is a perfect opportunity for me to pretend to be somebody totally different and put on an accent or, you know, speak a different language and pretend I don't speak English or, you know, whatever country I'm in, whatever the vernacular is there.

Guest
00:49:34
And it is very fun.

Guest
00:49:36
Although sometimes it has happened a few times where somebody I know would walk into the situation and look at me like, what are you.

Guest
00:49:45
Why are you talking with a British accent?

Guest
00:49:48
Why?

Guest
00:49:48
Saying you're a selfie from London.

Yuval David
00:49:53
Oh, my goodness.

Guest
00:49:55
To share.

Guest
00:49:57
And I was talking to her and she was just like living for this dialect.

Guest
00:50:01
And I was saying like, oh, darling, it's so great to be here.

Guest
00:50:04
You know, it's just every.

Guest
00:50:06
Everything here at Whole Foods is really wonderful.

Guest
00:50:09
I love the way it's laid out.

Guest
00:50:11
It's so easy to shop here.

Guest
00:50:12
And it's like, everything is so much cheaper than London.

Guest
00:50:16
And as I was saying this, all of a sudden, one of my friends, she walks up, she's like, hey, Yuval.

Guest
00:50:21
I'm like, oh, hey.

Guest
00:50:24
And she's like, what's going on?

Guest
00:50:25
And I was like, oh, no, I'm going to need to speak to my friend.

Guest
00:50:29
Because hey, you know, hey sounds like hey with a British Londoner South.

Yuval David
00:50:35
It sounds the same.

Guest
00:50:36
I was like, what is my next sentence going to be?

Yuval David
00:50:39
Oh, my God.

Guest
00:50:40
No, I was.

Guest
00:50:41
I started sweating and so then I just kind of talking a little bit quieter like this, like really weird to try to mask that I was speaking in a British, like South Londoner dialect to this cashier because I didn't want to like demolish her world.

Guest
00:50:57
Like, I was complimenting her and she was feeling great and she was happy and because I noticed the first moment she, the cashier there she was.

Guest
00:51:04
I don't know, she seemed like she was having a rough day.

Guest
00:51:06
So I was like, ah, here's an opportunity for me to say nice things, to just create a scenario and make her feel great, you know, in the moment.

Guest
00:51:15
And then my friend ruined it, ruined the whole thing.

Guest
00:51:20
So I was just like, I just spoke to her, to my friend.

Guest
00:51:23
I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, so good to see you.

Guest
00:51:25
I'll catch up with you later.

Guest
00:51:27
And she looked at me like, what are you doing?

Guest
00:51:31
Why are you.

Guest
00:51:32
Mum.

Guest
00:51:32
She walked away and I called her later.

Guest
00:51:36
I was like, oh, my God, this is what just happened.

Guest
00:51:38
She's like, you are so stupid.

Guest
00:51:41
You're such an idiot.

Guest
00:51:43
Like, I can't believe.

Guest
00:51:44
I was like, yeah, thank you for not ruining it.

Yuval David
00:51:47
Oh my gosh, that is awesome.

Yuval David
00:51:51
Oh, because what wouldn't cheer.

Yuval David
00:51:54
I mean, a British accent.

Yuval David
00:51:56
Cheers up, everyone.

Guest
00:51:58
There's something about British dialects in America.

Guest
00:52:00
Like Americans love them.

Yuval David
00:52:03
Yes.

Yuval David
00:52:03
It's so very true.

Yuval David
00:52:05
It is a weird thing.

Yuval David
00:52:06
It is a very weird thing.

Guest
00:52:09
Well, I think maybe because we don't hear as many accents in the U.S.

Guest
00:52:18
maybe that's not so true anymore.

Guest
00:52:20
I was going to say maybe we don't hear as many accents in the US as we do in other parts of the world, other metropolitan areas.

Guest
00:52:30
I mean, definitely in Europe, because so much of the world has been Euro focused for a long time.

Guest
00:53:32
Where you get more people mixing and traveling.

Guest
00:53:41
Yeah.

Guest
00:53:41
Maybe that's just how it is in any place that doesn't get as many.

Guest
00:53:45
As many people.

Guest
00:53:46
I know when I travel in Central or in the Midwest.

Guest
00:53:51
Right.

Guest
00:53:52
Different than.

Guest
00:53:53
And not in major cities like Chicago or Los Angeles or Even Miami or D.C.

Guest
00:54:01
or New York or San Francisco, but cities that don't have as much traffic.

Guest
00:54:06
Let's call it that.

Yuval David
00:54:07
Yes, there we go.

Guest
00:54:08
That's when there's something a bit more exotic and people like the accents.

Guest
00:54:13
I mean, even my name.

Guest
00:54:15
I was born in the United States.

Guest
00:54:17
Right.

Guest
00:54:18
But when people meet me in certain parts of the US they're like, oh, Yuval, where are you?

Guest
00:54:25
Where are you from?

Guest
00:54:26
And I said, well, I'm.

Guest
00:54:28
I'm from.

Guest
00:54:29
From dc.

Guest
00:54:30
They're like, no, no, no, but where are you from?

Guest
00:54:32
Oh, I'm.

Guest
00:54:33
I'm from D.C.

Guest
00:54:35
no, no, but you have an accent.

Guest
00:54:36
I was like, I have an accent.

Guest
00:54:38
I said, if I said my name was Sean or.

Guest
00:54:41
Oh, this is my favorite.

Guest
00:54:42
Another alter ego I have.

Guest
00:54:45
His name is Sebastian.

Guest
00:54:47
I just like that name.

Yuval David
00:54:48
Do love that name.

Guest
00:54:49
If I said my name was Sebastian, like, you would just look at me like, oh, okay, fine.

Guest
00:54:55
And it's something in our American culture that I don't know if people are struggling with what really is American.

Guest
00:55:06
That's what the.

Guest
00:55:07
The woke movement has been trying to do.

Guest
00:55:10
And a lot of people criticize it.

Guest
00:55:13
And now woke means something totally different than what it originally did.

Guest
00:55:17
But it's just to.

Guest
00:55:19
To awaken ourselves to the fact that there are multiple narratives out there of our people, of our peoplehood, even our American peoplehood.

Yuval David
00:55:28
Yes.

Yuval David
00:55:30
To be aware.

Yuval David
00:55:31
Right.

Guest
00:55:33
To be awake.

Yuval David
00:55:34
Yep.

Guest
00:55:35
That's what woke really is about.

Guest
00:55:37
That's what it means, being awake to what's happening.

Guest
00:55:41
And.

Yuval David
00:55:41
Yes.

Guest
00:55:42
What's so bad about that?

Guest
00:55:43
The.

Guest
00:55:44
The contrast is what?

Guest
00:55:45
To be asleep to it, to close your eyes to it, to not be aware of it.

Guest
00:55:48
Be aware.

Guest
00:55:49
That's all it means.

Yuval David
00:55:51
Yes.

Guest
00:55:51
It means somebody else has their story, somebody else has their life.

Guest
00:55:55
And if they're fetching and complaining and angry or upset or just trying to share with you, then let them share.

Guest
00:56:06
And if you have that moment, if you have the bandwidth, then just listen.

Guest
00:56:11
And the response, the woke response is, I hear that you're saying these things.

Guest
00:56:19
I've.

Guest
00:56:21
I feel these things.

Guest
00:56:23
I've sensed these things from what you have just shared.

Guest
00:56:29
I appreciate that you've shared them with me.

Guest
00:56:33
That's it.

Yuval David
00:56:34
That's it.

Guest
00:56:35
That's it.

Guest
00:56:36
It's not saying, no, you're wrong.

Guest
00:56:37
You can't be the Q or the.

Guest
00:56:40
The black narrative in America is not the main, like, what, you know, like, people are arguing about, because this is a topic we speak about here in the US Quite a bit.

Guest
00:56:51
You know, like, why do we have Juneteenth?

Guest
00:56:54
That's not the.

Guest
00:56:56
An American holiday.

Guest
00:56:57
And it's like, actually, it is an American.

Guest
00:57:01
Be woke to it, be awake to it.

Guest
00:57:02
Just hear the narrative of other people.

Guest
00:57:06
So when I.

Guest
00:57:08
When I speak with conservative people, especially from an advocacy standpoint, even if it's on the News.

Guest
00:57:17
If I'm on a panel with people who systematically are against just about every part of my identity, I will bring up topics like this saying, just be aware, be awake to it.

Guest
00:57:29
Just like you want to be respected for your thoughts and your identity.

Guest
00:57:33
Respect them for their thoughts and their identity.

Guest
00:57:35
And.

Guest
00:57:36
And that's it.

Yuval David
00:57:38
Yeah, yeah.

Yuval David
00:57:41
I mean, I think it boils down to people don't like being uncomfortable.

Guest
00:57:47
Oh, God.

Guest
00:57:48
But those of us who love vulnerability, love that discomfort, because that is where art happens and creativity happens and.

Guest
00:57:56
And love.

Guest
00:57:57
Love in every meaning, in every way we can share and express love.

Guest
00:58:03
It comes from vulnerability.

Yuval David
00:58:06
It does.

Yuval David
00:58:07
Connection, understanding, actually seeing people.

Guest
00:58:14
Yeah.

Yuval David
00:58:14
It comes from being uncomfortable.

Yuval David
00:58:18
Just embrace it.

Guest
00:58:20
Embrace it.

Yuval David
00:58:20
Just embrace that.

Guest
00:58:22
And then discover if you want to be uncomfortable, you know, maybe you don't want it, and that's fine.

Guest
00:58:29
So you embraced it, you acknowledged it.

Guest
00:58:32
And you can change your place, you can change your direction, you can change your location, you can change the way you lean into it.

Yuval David
00:58:41
Yeah.

Guest
00:58:43
So I'm an avid skier.

Guest
00:58:45
Like, skiing is my favorite sport.

Guest
00:58:47
It's a milestone of every year.

Guest
00:58:50
It's one of my favorite getaways to just place my mind somewhere else.

Guest
00:58:57
To go to high elevation, to 14,000ft elevation, and to have my helmet and my ski gear and to be challenged.

Guest
00:59:10
And I lean into the challenge in skiing.

Guest
00:59:14
The Skiing 101 lessons are the same lessons that are applied to skiers who are doing the double black diamonds and doing the challenging mogul runs or skiing through and around the trees.

Guest
00:59:31
You need to lean into it.

Guest
00:59:33
Skiing is a forward moving sport.

Guest
00:59:36
You need to bend at your knees, you bend a little bit at the hip, you bend at the every joint, and you lean forward, you lean into the challenge, you lean downhill.

Guest
00:59:51
Most people, when they're going down a very sheer, steep slope, they're leaning back like, oh, my God, this is scary.

Guest
00:59:59
I'm going to lean away from it.

Guest
01:00:00
That's the exact opposite of what you need to do when you embrace the slope and what you're doing.

Guest
01:00:05
You lean into it.

Guest
01:00:06
You lean into that discomfort.

Guest
01:00:08
And then the more that you push your shins into the front of the boot, the less discomfort you feel.

Guest
01:00:16
If you don't press your shins into the front of that ski, you're going to feel a lot of discomfort.

Guest
01:00:21
So when you feel those moments of discomfort, maybe just lean into it a little bit more and you won't be uncomfortable anymore.

Yuval David
01:00:30
I like that.

Yuval David
01:00:31
That is an excellent analogy.

Yuval David
01:00:34
As a fellow skier.

Yuval David
01:00:35
I understand that now.

Yuval David
01:00:37
If there are those out there who don't ski.

Yuval David
01:00:39
I highly recommend it.

Guest
01:00:40
Where do you ski?

Yuval David
01:00:44
I.

Yuval David
01:00:44
The last place.

Yuval David
01:00:45
I didn't ski at all this past year, which was very, very sad.

Yuval David
01:00:48
I know, but I skied Jackson Hole last year, which was.

Guest
01:00:53
Oh, my God, I love Jackson.

Yuval David
01:00:55
Like, that was my.

Yuval David
01:00:56
I had wanted to go there for, like, 20 years.

Yuval David
01:00:59
It's been my dream.

Yuval David
01:01:00
And we took our two younger kids, and my youngest is, like, just uber athletic.

Yuval David
01:01:07
And he was so excited to ski with me and.

Yuval David
01:01:11
And go.

Yuval David
01:01:11
And he's like, I think I might be faster than you.

Yuval David
01:01:13
And I was like, well, you know, you.

Yuval David
01:01:15
You are, you know, almost 15 now and muscly and all the things.

Yuval David
01:01:21
I'm a little bit older than that, so.

Yuval David
01:01:23
Yeah.

Yuval David
01:01:24
But I can still take you, so it might be the one place that I can.

Yuval David
01:01:28
But, I mean, I.

Yuval David
01:01:30
When you're saying that, I'm like, oh, my gosh, yes.

Yuval David
01:01:34
I don't know if that's my favorite place ever.

Yuval David
01:01:36
I think I've had other places that I like more, but that was definitely a.

Yuval David
01:01:41
And it was a dream, and I was so delighted just to be there.

Yuval David
01:01:47
Jackson.

Guest
01:01:48
I skied Jackson Hole this last winter.

Yuval David
01:01:51
Did you?

Guest
01:01:51
Oh, yeah.

Guest
01:01:52
Ski, dad.

Guest
01:01:53
Deer Valley, Park City, Aspen, Beaver Creek, Jackson Hole.

Guest
01:02:00
What else am I missing?

Guest
01:02:02
I feel like I'm skipping one of the places I skied this past winter.

Guest
01:02:05
But, yeah, it's.

Guest
01:02:07
We have some.

Guest
01:02:08
Some beautiful places.

Guest
01:02:10
I don't ski east coast very much anymore.

Guest
01:02:14
I've been spoiled by powder and skiing in tons of snow and powdery conditions.

Guest
01:02:22
Right.

Yuval David
01:02:22
There's nothing like it.

Yuval David
01:02:24
There's nothing like it.

Yuval David
01:02:26
I.

Yuval David
01:02:27
I learned to ski east, you know, East Coast, Midwest.

Yuval David
01:02:31
So, you know, I learned how to ski on ice and hard.

Yuval David
01:02:34
You know, hard.

Guest
01:02:35
It actually makes you a better skier.

Guest
01:02:36
I think I learned to ski in the east as well.

Yuval David
01:02:39
Yeah.

Yuval David
01:02:40
So we are rock star skiers because of.

Yuval David
01:02:43
Because of that.

Yuval David
01:02:43
Because skiing and powder is like a.

Guest
01:02:46
So easy.

Guest
01:02:47
It's so much easier.

Guest
01:02:48
Just like, it's so great.

Guest
01:02:51
And it's just when I'm forced to.

Guest
01:02:56
No, when I choose to ski with skiers who are not at or near the level that I'm at, and they're skiing in powder and they're nervous about it and they're trying to avoid the powder, I keep saying, no, no, no.

Guest
01:03:10
You have to find the powder.

Guest
01:03:11
You gotta get into the powder.

Guest
01:03:13
It's the best.

Guest
01:03:15
But it's scary.

Guest
01:03:16
I don't know what's there.

Guest
01:03:17
Like, exactly.

Guest
01:03:19
Like, lean into it and skiing becomes so much easier.

Guest
01:03:23
When you ski in and into the Powder.

Guest
01:03:26
Oh, my gosh.

Yuval David
01:03:27
And you, if you happen to fall, it's no big deal.

Guest
01:03:32
My screen saver.

Guest
01:03:34
Let's see.

Guest
01:03:35
Hold on.

Guest
01:03:36
Is that so?

Guest
01:03:38
This past winter, I hiked.

Guest
01:03:41
I hiked up to 14, 000ft elevation and skied down.

Guest
01:03:46
This was in Aspen, and that was one of my favorite ski days of my entire life.

Guest
01:03:51
Just.

Yuval David
01:03:51
Oh, I bet.

Guest
01:03:52
Oh, it was such a good workout, hiking up the mountain.

Guest
01:03:55
And I had to stop a few times and just catch my breath and take photos of the beautiful environment around me.

Guest
01:04:02
And it was breathtaking and challenging and.

Guest
01:04:06
And I made it to the very top.

Guest
01:04:08
And I felt so successful.

Guest
01:04:12
I felt so.

Guest
01:04:13
Like, I achieved something great.

Guest
01:04:15
And.

Guest
01:04:16
And I was ready to ski down.

Guest
01:04:18
And I was chatting with this woman who was up there, and I'm like, oh, my God, this is amazing.

Guest
01:04:23
Incredible workout.

Guest
01:04:25
Like, oh, God, I wish I could.

Guest
01:04:26
Could do this every day.

Guest
01:04:28
And she's like, I do.

Guest
01:04:29
And I said, what?

Guest
01:04:30
She's like, yeah, I do this every day.

Guest
01:04:32
And I said, that was a really hard workout.

Guest
01:04:35
I was like, I now understand, because even with all her ski gear, I could tell that she was probably, like, shredded.

Guest
01:04:39
She was probably just like, only muscles.

Guest
01:04:43
Oh, my God.

Guest
01:04:44
She said, not only that, I do it twice a day.

Guest
01:04:47
I'm like, you do this twice a day?

Guest
01:04:49
Stop it.

Guest
01:04:51
And she said it was a mental health thing for her.

Guest
01:04:54
She was a way to alleviate stress, and she just fell in love with it.

Guest
01:04:59
And she's in the best shape of her life.

Guest
01:05:02
And I.

Guest
01:05:03
For like, three or four days afterwards, I continued to lose weight.

Guest
01:05:07
I'm like, oh.

Guest
01:05:08
Or to lose fat, I should say that way.

Guest
01:05:10
Yeah, this was a really good workout.

Guest
01:05:12
I'm getting shredded.

Guest
01:05:13
And I did it once.

Guest
01:05:15
Like, who is this Wonder Woman who.

Yuval David
01:05:17
I met at the top of the mountain?

Yuval David
01:05:19
Oh, I love that.

Guest
01:05:21
She wasn't panting.

Guest
01:05:22
She wasn't like, she wasn't struggling.

Guest
01:05:26
I was panting and struggling, and I thought, I'm in pretty good shape.

Guest
01:05:31
But then I met Wonder Woman at the top of the mountain.

Guest
01:05:34
Like, oh, my God.

Yuval David
01:05:36
Good for her, right?

Guest
01:05:39
And then skiing down, like, I.

Guest
01:05:41
I felt like I.

Guest
01:05:43
I earned it.

Guest
01:05:44
I didn't just ride a chairlift and go the easy way up.

Guest
01:05:48
Like, I earned the powder on the way down.

Guest
01:05:50
And then I was done.

Guest
01:05:52
Then I was done, and I'm done.

Guest
01:05:56
And that's a day now.

Guest
01:05:58
I need to eat.

Yuval David
01:05:59
I need an apres ski, right?

Yuval David
01:06:01
Oh, yeah.

Guest
01:06:02
Aprici is always good.

Yuval David
01:06:04
Always good.

Yuval David
01:06:05
Yes.

Yuval David
01:06:05
Oh, my goodness.

Yuval David
01:06:06
That is so funny.

Yuval David
01:06:07
I remember as a little kid, the place that we used to go, and I always wondered, you know, you'd see the apres ski.

Yuval David
01:06:13
I'm like, what is that?

Yuval David
01:06:14
My parents be like, oh, don't worry about it.

Yuval David
01:06:17
And then I became old enough to understand, and I was like, well, this is magic.

Yuval David
01:06:23
It's.

Yuval David
01:06:24
It's.

Yuval David
01:06:24
It's a good thing after a day of skiing.

Guest
01:06:29
It sure is.

Yuval David
01:06:30
Oh, my goodness.

Yuval David
01:06:32
Okay.

Yuval David
01:06:33
So I just looked at our time, and I have taken a lot of your day, and I really, really want to talk about your movie.

Guest
01:06:40
Oh, my God, please do so.

Yuval David
01:06:43
I am so intrigued.

Yuval David
01:06:45
I am so.

Yuval David
01:06:47
First of all, it is called Wonderfully Made, and I want to know everything about it.

Yuval David
01:06:53
I want to know how you came up with this concept.

Yuval David
01:06:57
And I read somewhere and everything that I was reading that this is the first and it's a series.

Yuval David
01:07:06
It's going.

Yuval David
01:07:06
You're planning a series.

Guest
01:07:08
Oh, I would love to turn this into a series.

Guest
01:07:10
A lot of the.

Guest
01:07:11
A lot of that rides on the success of.

Guest
01:07:14
Of this film.

Guest
01:07:16
To be an independent filmmaker requires blood, sweat, and tears.

Guest
01:07:21
And I do mean all of that.

Guest
01:07:23
I can only imagine it's not a.

Guest
01:07:25
It's not an easy, simple task.

Guest
01:07:28
And Creating wonderfully made LGBTQ +R is the secondary title really allowed me to experience all of that blood, Sweat, and tears, and I'm very proud of it.

Guest
01:07:43
Wonderfully made LGBTQ +R is started as an art project because I noticed that there was a lacuna, a gap, a place where LGBTQ people of faith were struggling to be seen.

Guest
01:08:05
And it actually started with.

Guest
01:08:08
With my husband, with my partner.

Guest
01:08:11
He is Catholic, and he was trying to find Catholic iconography that would.

Guest
01:08:18
Would speak to him, that would represent him as a gay Catholic man.

Guest
01:08:24
He was looking online, and he was trying to find imagery that would speak to him and that, you know, piece of art that would encapsulate everything that he.

Guest
01:08:32
He wanted and needed to see for whatever spiritual journey and spiritual moment that he was on, and he couldn't find it.

Guest
01:08:40
And he said, well, hey, you married a creative.

Guest
01:08:44
You married an artist.

Guest
01:08:46
You know, my art is within film, television, and theater, but I can do this.

Guest
01:08:55
Let's do this, because you're not the only one.

Guest
01:08:58
Throughout my advocacy, especially the LGBTQ advocacy, I encounter so many people who also are religious or have challenges and aspirations within the intersectionality of their LGBTQ and religious identities.

Guest
01:09:14
So let's create something for you and for anybody who, like you, is searching for something.

Guest
01:09:21
And that's how this project began as a photo art project, producing and creating this.

Guest
01:09:28
This photo art Representing Jesus as a member or ally of the LGBTQ community represented almost a dozen different LGBTQ plus people.

Guest
01:09:41
What does a Jewish guy have to do creating this?

Guest
01:09:45
Some people have asked.

Guest
01:09:46
I was like, well, I.

Guest
01:09:49
I am connected to my faith and my faith traditions.

Guest
01:09:54
I have a degree in art history.

Guest
01:09:57
I've studied this stuff, and I'm engaged in LGBTQ advocacy, and I encounter people who.

Guest
01:10:04
Who are seeking something, and I'm married to somebody who is seeking that something.

Guest
01:10:10
And that's how this project began and turned into a documentary which explores the creation of this art and interviewing leading leading Catholics who deal with this specific intersectionality of LGBTQ and Catholic identity.

Guest
01:10:30
So if this film is successful, whatever that means, then I'll be able to hopefully turn it into a series exploring all different faith traditions and continually exploring this and creating art for people of these different religions and faith traditions to find that they can also be LGBTQ at the same time, but also representing what it means to be LGBTQ within a religion for those who are not lgbtq.

Guest
01:11:01
So they can see that we exist, that we exist within every community, because the LGBTQ community is the most diverse community in the world, because we're part of every other community in the world.

Guest
01:11:13
So Wonderfully Made actually does tackle a lot of these issues in a creative way.

Guest
01:11:22
And I would love for all of your listeners to go to the website wonderfully made film.com and you can also find the movie and the art on Instagram, Twitter, and Facebook at Wonderfully Made or Wonderfully Made Movie.

Guest
01:11:38
You'll be able to find it.

Guest
01:11:40
And, you know, it's.

Guest
01:11:42
It's a.

Guest
01:11:43
It's a form of art for social change.

Guest
01:11:46
It's a grassroots, independent production that requires audiences to share the message, to reach the people who need to reach.

Guest
01:11:54
Reach who need to be reached.

Guest
01:11:56
Because a fact is, when we look at what's happening on a sociopolitical level to and with the LGBTQ community and movement, we recognize that the vast majority of anti LGBTQ laws, legislations, rules, and beliefs are on the basis of religion.

Guest
01:12:18
So let's go to the root cause of where those thoughts and issues are coming from and explore it, and then create the change within the religion so people acknowledge that LGBTQ people are there.

Guest
01:12:34
Now, this isn't only a message to the religious people who are anti lgbtq.

Guest
01:12:40
It's also a message to people who are religious and might not be aware of LGBTQ people or might not care, and it shows them why they should care, but it's also a message to LGBTQ people that they can be of faith that they can have an intersectional identity.

Guest
01:12:58
The mere fact that I am LGBTQ doesn't mean that I'm no longer everything else.

Guest
01:13:03
And it also doesn't mean that my LGBTQ identity must be the most important part of my identity.

Guest
01:13:11
It could be.

Guest
01:13:12
It doesn't have to be.

Guest
01:13:14
Same thing with having a religious identity or a cultural or an ethnic identity.

Guest
01:13:20
You know, that we all have intersectional identities, that it's about the communities that we're part of, where they intersect within that Venn diagram.

Guest
01:13:30
And that's what this film really tries to do with a specific focus on LGBTQ Catholics.

Yuval David
01:13:39
Wow.

Guest
01:13:41
Yeah.

Guest
01:13:41
Wow.

Guest
01:13:41
It's.

Yuval David
01:13:42
I mean, it is.

Yuval David
01:13:43
It is a lot.

Yuval David
01:13:46
But I love that you've done this because this is something that is very, very needed, and it is a topic that can be very triggering.

Yuval David
01:13:59
It can be very painful.

Yuval David
01:14:02
It can be something that, you know, has perhaps been either sidelined or left behind because of all the things.

Yuval David
01:14:14
Right.

Yuval David
01:14:15
So I appreciate.

Yuval David
01:14:18
I'm looking forward to actually seeing it myself.

Yuval David
01:14:21
I just received it from your PR person a little bit earlier today, so I have not had a chance to take a look, but it will also be linked in the show notes, and I'll have it linked to everything.

Yuval David
01:14:33
So it'll be very easy for everyone listening to be able to click through to all these different pieces that you just mentioned.

Guest
01:14:39
Wonderful.

Yuval David
01:14:40
Yeah.

Guest
01:14:41
I mean, it's.

Guest
01:14:41
It's really.

Guest
01:14:44
Being an independent filmmaker is.

Guest
01:14:48
Is hard, and it requires collaboration with audiences as well.

Guest
01:14:56
It's how we get the message out, because we don't have the power and the financial backing of major studios to fund the marketing and the pr, which marketing costs.

Guest
01:15:09
Most people don't recognize when they talk about, oh, how much does it cost to make a movie?

Guest
01:15:14
They don't recognize that the vast majority of the budget goes towards marketing and pr.

Guest
01:15:21
The most people think about, oh, production.

Guest
01:15:24
That's the sexiest part.

Guest
01:15:25
That's the most exciting part.

Guest
01:15:27
What happens when the cameras are on?

Guest
01:15:29
That is the smallest part of the production.

Yuval David
01:15:33
Wow.

Guest
01:15:33
Most of the production time is in editing, is in what's called post production.

Guest
01:15:42
The editing, the sound mixing, the color correction is all of the stuff.

Guest
01:15:47
Like, what do we do with all the content that we have?

Guest
01:15:50
But then once the film is finished, the vast majority of the work and the budget, depending on how much money you have, goes into.

Guest
01:15:59
Okay, what do we do now?

Guest
01:16:00
How do we get this out there?

Guest
01:16:02
Because the sky's the limit when it comes to marketing, advertising, and PR costs.

Guest
01:16:08
Oh, so there's also a donate button on the website wonderfully made film.com, which, if this does speak to you, then please join us in the.

Guest
01:16:20
In the movement and join our community do to help spread the message of this film and to prove to people within the industry that there is an audience for this.

Guest
01:16:31
It's a triggering topic for people, religion.

Guest
01:16:35
Some people focus on traditions and keeping things traditionally as they are and very much protecting it.

Guest
01:16:43
Other people don't want to deal with it at all because they've been affected negatively by it or.

Guest
01:16:49
Or they're not part of it anymore or whatever it is.

Guest
01:16:52
But we cannot practice erasure of erasing the people who are still part of it, the people who are still experiencing it, and those are important audiences as well.

Guest
01:17:02
That's something that the entertainment industry needs to learn and needs to acknowledge that it's not all about putting things in its own specific little bubbles, like, oh, this is a.

Guest
01:17:13
This is a.

Guest
01:17:14
An LGBTQ film.

Guest
01:17:16
So we're only going to put it for the lgbtq, you know, playlists or whatever it is on Netflix or Amazon or Hulu or, you know, whatever.

Guest
01:17:26
And this is a religious film, and we're going to put it here for only the religious community.

Guest
01:17:30
And here's.

Guest
01:17:31
You know, you can't separate everything.

Guest
01:17:35
We need to be able to.

Guest
01:17:37
To reach the communities.

Guest
01:17:39
And it's rare for us to see a film that is both an LGBTQ film and a religious film together in one.

Guest
01:17:46
And I think that many people in the film industry are confused by that.

Guest
01:17:50
Like, well, how do you have both?

Guest
01:17:52
I mean, it's either LGBTQ or it's religious.

Guest
01:17:55
And, like, nope, it's.

Guest
01:17:58
It's.

Guest
01:17:58
It's both.

Guest
01:18:00
Who's the audience?

Guest
01:18:01
Is it LGBTQ people or is it religious people?

Guest
01:18:04
It's like, yes and yes.

Yuval David
01:18:07
Yes, both.

Yuval David
01:18:09
You are a trailblazer.

Guest
01:18:12
Am I a trailblazer?

Guest
01:18:14
All right.

Yuval David
01:18:14
Yes, I think so.

Guest
01:18:16
A trailblazer.

Yuval David
01:18:17
A trailblazer.

Yuval David
01:18:18
That's the word that just came to mind.

Yuval David
01:18:20
I don't know of any.

Yuval David
01:18:22
Anything else that has been done like this.

Yuval David
01:18:27
And I.

Yuval David
01:18:29
Those reactions are both understandable and, you know, obviously for good reason, but this has the potential to shift that.

Guest
01:18:45
And that's the power, and that's the power of art.

Guest
01:18:48
You know, people, when they view the art that we created or view the film, just like art does for all different types of art does, it's meant to provoke thoughts and emotions and to make people change.

Guest
01:19:11
Art isn't only there to make us feel comfortable.

Guest
01:19:15
It's also there to make us let's go back to that word, vulnerable.

Guest
01:19:18
It's there to disturb and disrupt.

Guest
01:19:23
In addition to making us feel comfortable and feeling seen and feeling represented and recognized.

Guest
01:19:29
It can do all of those things.

Guest
01:19:32
So that's what I really aimed to do with this project.

Guest
01:19:40
And now it just takes audiences to watch it, see it, view it, and share it.

Yuval David
01:19:45
And share it.

Yuval David
01:19:46
Yes.

Yuval David
01:19:47
Okay.

Yuval David
01:19:48
Well, this is.

Yuval David
01:19:49
We have our, our homework, don't we?

Guest
01:19:53
Yeah, we do.

Yuval David
01:19:55
I like it.

Yuval David
01:19:56
I like it.

Yuval David
01:20:00
This has been the most unexpected and most wonderful and my.

Yuval David
01:20:09
I just feel like my cup is full.

Yuval David
01:20:11
I feel like my soul has been just, I don't know, rejuvenated.

Yuval David
01:20:17
So this conversation.

Yuval David
01:20:19
Thank you.

Yuval David
01:20:20
And I know that you've had just a tough, a tough day and many tough days and lots going on.

Yuval David
01:20:27
And so I am very grateful that you've been here and have shared so much of your soul with me and with my audience.

Guest
01:20:41
The thanks are to you.

Guest
01:20:43
I thank you for your time.

Guest
01:20:45
I thank you for bringing me onto your show and sharing me with your audiences and all of my uber philosophizing.

Heather Hester
01:20:57
Thanks so much for joining me today.

Heather Hester
01:21:00
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Heather Hester
01:21:05
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Heather Hester
01:21:07
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Heather Hester
01:21:20
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Heather Hester
01:21:26
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