45. Your Brain Thinks Anxiety = Safety—Here’s How to Rewire It with Scott Sherr

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Welcome to rooted in wellness with me, wellness advocate, and holistic nutritionist, Mona Sharma.
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Together we will take a journey to discover natural healing practices from imbalance to
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balance, guided by ancient wisdom and modern scientific insights.
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I was raised living summers on an ashram, so I learned early on that food is medicine,
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and your kitchen is your greatest source of health care and prevention.
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After facing two heart surgeries, anxiety, and weight challenges, I discovered that just
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because your symptoms are common doesn't mean that they are normal.
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Together with some incredible guests, we will explore the power of our mind, body, and soul
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prevention, returning to our roots to rediscover our greatest well-being.
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Have you ever felt like you're doing all of the right things for your health?
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Eating well, exercising, meditating, but still feeling off?
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Maybe your energy crashes mid-afternoon, or your sleep isn't as deep as it should be,
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or stress lingers no matter what you try.
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Today I'm sitting down with Dr. Scott Cher, a leader in integrative medicine and a specialist
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in hyperbaric oxygen therapy, to talk about something that modern medicine rarely addresses,
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the power of oxygen, mitochondria, and nervous system regulation in true healing.
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Scott breaks down why so many of us are stuck in a cycle of stress, inflammation, and burnout,
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and how optimizing oxygen levels, supporting our mitochondria and rebalancing our nervous
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system can be game-changers.
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We also dive into methylene blue, nicotine, and other misunderstood biohacking tools that
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can support our energy, focus, and long-term health.
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If you've ever felt like your body isn't fully on your side, this episode might just
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shift your entire perspective on healing, longevity, and what it really takes to feel
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your best.
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Dr. Scott Cher is a board-certified internal medicine physician, specializing in integrative
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health, hyperbaric oxygen therapy, and cutting edge-long Jeopardy treatments.
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He's the founder of OneBaseHealth, a company focused on optimizing health through advanced
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technologies, and a leader in the field of home optimization medicine and practice.
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Let's get into it.
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All right, Dr. Scott Cher, welcome to Rooted and Wallace.
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It's a pleasure to be here, Mona.
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Thank you for having me.
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For those of you who are listening, my tongue is blue, so I wanted to try methylene blue.
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It's been so effective and kind of like in a very gentle therapeutic way, so my tongue
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is blue today.
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There wasn't a better opportunity to do this, so here I am.
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I love it, so I am also on methylene blue, but I did swallow mine, so you can swallow.
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We can talk about that, but.
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Okay, well, I had to show you.
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It looks better this way, but I should have matched you.
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It's perfect.
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I took a 50-50 chance that you'd do it.
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All right, so before we get started, Rooted and Wallace, this podcast is all about ancient
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wisdom in our modern world, talking a little bit about my healing journey and really the
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magic that came when I fused the worlds together.
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Sure.
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So I'd love to know, becoming rooted in your health, in yourself, and in your own wisdom
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to heal.
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Are there any practices that you have that help you feel rooted in your health and happiness?
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Oh, 100%.
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So I feel your journey, I think acutely, because I grew up the son of a carobractor, always
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very out of the box.
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He was always what I thought is crazy, because he was always doing things like meditating and
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seeing dead people and other kinds of things that he said.
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I was looking at him like, what's going on with you?
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But my own journey, really, obviously, I went to medical school.
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I did the conventional training, and I've done a lot then, but my rooted stuff kind of,
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it starts off observing the things that I saw when I was a child, but I took a very long
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hiatus until I was in my mid-30s, and then meditation has been a big part of, and learning
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also just my own personal practices on a regular basis to root myself in this avatar, these
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mead suits that we wear, and have to carry around with us all the time.
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And there's programs and there's habits that these avatars need, and you have to be able
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to align with those and understand.
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But then also you can move things and change things, but also can be rooted in the moment
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as it is.
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Meditation has been a big piece for me, and understanding that on average we have about
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70,000 thoughts per day.
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If you're anxious or if you're stressed, it's going to go up to about 120,000.
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So even if you just have, you know, just have 70,000 thoughts, please don't believe everything
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that you think, right?
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And so understanding that, you know, these minds that are minds are still the same, primate
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minds that have been around for a long time, and our needs and our wants are related to
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survival and fitness and protection, right, survival and protection.
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So this other's mind is for me.
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So rooted in the ground with meditation and also, you know, having kids as well forces
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me to get out of my head and roll on the ground and be silly too.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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I love that lens that you just gave, because a lot of people will talk about meditation
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through grounding, but to pair it with having, you know, 70,000 thoughts up to 150,000
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thoughts a day, just saying that it allowed feels exhausting.
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It is exhausting.
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I don't even how they measure this at all, but it's a real thing.
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It's a real problem.
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And so when you're anxious and when you're depressed, people don't realize that when
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you're depressed, you're typically perseverating or just thinking of the same thoughts over and
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over again.
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So it may not be 70,000 new thoughts per day, but it's 70,000 thoughts, right?
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So you could have the same thought 100,000 times or something like that, right?
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And some people will.
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And which it can be really, really tough and anxiety, stress, depression, insomnia as well.
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And actually, this is all related to the breaks of our brain.
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And this is actually the GABA system.
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GABA is a big part of relaxing our brain, and it's a neurotransmitter that many of us
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are deficient in.
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And GABA's got this really cool position where it's like an intern neuron so that it stays
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in between your neuroponephrine, dopamine, your stimulating neurons, neurons, and allows
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the sensing of the gate.
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So it allows you to prevent all that information from bludgeoning you and kind of overwhelming
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you.
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And so many of us these days are GABA deficient, and as a result, we're not having that
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sensory gate and getting too much information and just not being able to process as much.
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But this is the fascinating aspect.
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So you're talking about a process from the body that comes from the body, which is the
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body's in a wisdom to regulate itself and to heal itself.
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And maybe you'll agree.
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I know you'll share more about your story, but the processes that we go through in life
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that cause us to feel more stress and worry and anxiety, pair that with the news and social
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media that causes it to exacerbate so much more.
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Are we losing the ability for our bodies to function at their best?
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100%.
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I think that just the way culture is created, it's not a culture created unrest, recover,
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detoxification, which is your parasympathetic nervous system.
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It's a culture that's trying to just hit you with more and more stuff at all times.
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And that is just keeping our on switch on all the times.
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How do you turn your off switch on?
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That's really a hard part for most of us.
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And that's why there's like a rash of so many people can't sleep as you know.
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And then they have so much anxiety.
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And I see this even in younger kids, like even in like kids my, you know, like my kid's
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agent, my kids are okay for the most part, but I have one specifically that does have
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like an anxious bent and I, if she does do more social, she isn't doing any social media,
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she's too young, but if she does do more TV or more games, I do, I see it.
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I see the screens and I'll do it, right?
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And so I just, it's a challenge, it's a huge challenge.
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And so one of the drives that I have and, you know, the people that I work with have
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is to try to remind people that there should be an off switch and it's called your parasympathetic
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nervous system.
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And GABA is a really big part of that.
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And if we can support our GABA system, you can see huge amounts of benefit.
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And parasympathetic is always thought of as, you know, your rest and DJI just.
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But it's also your detoxification as well.
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And so that's when we can actually get rid of toxins and we can, we can actually feel
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like we're, and it's a challenge because I was actually talking to somebody just a
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couple of days ago that they didn't know what it felt like to be parasympathetic.
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And what can happen when you start feeling that way all of a sudden is that you can get
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this sort of reactive anxiety related to it because you don't know what you're supposed
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to do because you're, you're, you're minding your brain or actually calm and you get this
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anxiety related to being calm as well, which is kind of a big thing these days I've found
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is that I might know you're supposed to feel that way.
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It's okay.
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Like it's going to get better once your nervous system remembers that it's supposed to relax
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at times too.
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It means so much hearing you as a doctor with this Western lens speaking to this.
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Yeah.
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Cause often I feel like people just, they need that scientific validation.
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Yeah.
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I feel like nervous system regulation is coming onto the radar in terms of us understanding
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it.
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But I think for a lot of the emotions that you are describing, whether it's being, you
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know, emotional having too much stress or feeling that you're someone who just experiences
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a bit more anxiety.
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A lot of that is a learned way of being within our nervous system that we're not even
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aware of because it's all we've ever known.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And a lot of times it's related to your upbringing, right, and how your parents were involved
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or not involved in your life and how what you had to do and didn't have to do in your
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friends.
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And that's all a big part of it.
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And there's also this other huge piece which we were just alluding to, which is your
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social media, your screen time, like these are big deal, right?
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This kind of light going into your eyes all the time from a screen is not a good idea.
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And so it's just we're the amount of anxiety, the amount of stress I think is just, it's
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amazing.
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It's crazy.
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And so I'm, you know, one of the things I always talk about with my patients is that
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if you want to heal, we have to figure out a way to get you more parasympathetic.
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If you don't get parasympathetic, you are not going to heal.
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And it could be a problem.
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I mean, I can, I'm guilty as everybody else is, right?
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I haven't been sick in a long time, but then I, I had two weeks off for December for the
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Christmas break and I got home from two conferences in Vegas and I just, I was like, oh, I have
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nothing going on.
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This is going to be great.
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And I just slammed and I got sick for three days.
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And I was like, wow, but that's okay.
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I grew up, my father would always say, oh, that's amazing.
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You're exfoliating.
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You're detoxing.
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This is great.
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And I'd be like, shut up.
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Shut up.
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That's what I, that's what I tell my kids now.
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And they're like, shut up dad.
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But it's true, right?
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It's okay to get sick when you're going parasympathetic because that's what your body wanted to do.
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It needed to do that so that you can actually recalibrate.
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Fun thing with kids.
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I don't know if you've seen this with yours, but if your kids get sick, especially if they're
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really young, if they're two, three, four years old and they get a viral infection and
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like, they're sick for a couple days and it sucks for everybody because they're not sleeping.
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You're not sleeping.
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But when they're finished being sick, they just have these huge jumps in their milestones.
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Why is that?
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Because they've just kind of called things they didn't need.
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They've detoxed and all of a sudden they just make these huge jumps and actually can help,
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actually can happen with adults too.
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Now none of us want to be sick for sure, but you can take it as an opportunity like, okay,
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this is something that my body needed so that I can move to the next level.
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I don't think I've heard very many practitioners talk about the relationship of your nervous system
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to detoxification.
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Oh, yeah.
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But as you're speaking, of course, you're like inherently connected.
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How can your body function when it's thinking that it's stressed all the time?
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Right, right.
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It can't at all.
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And that's why being parasympathetic is essential for healing.
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If you're not going that route, you're not working on that system.
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I mean, you may not get sick for a while, but when you do, you're going to crash because
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your body's just not used to being in parasympathetic mode.
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And so this is a problem, but the cool thing is if you learn how to balance your nervous
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system.
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You obviously know about our variability training.
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It's a really great one.
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HIV.
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HIV.
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And so that's a great way to help understand that balance, right?
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If you have a good balance, then you can get stressed when you need to get stressed and
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you can be unstressed or decrease, go back to parasympathetic when you're not, right?
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Our base status is parasympathetic, most likely.
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Evolutionarily, we had to mostly digest our food.
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We had to have something intake.
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of a sleeping digestive cycle, at least, you know, millions of years ago before we were
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actually, you know, human form.
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have an animal that's getting chased by a predator, a predator type of animal.
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get eaten.
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You'll see them go through this reaction, right?
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This sympathetic storm, as it were.
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They start shaking.
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They move all like crazy.
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They're going back, you know?
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And that's what we're basically programmed to do, too.
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But now that stress is just constantly going at us, minute, and then we don't have any
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time to, you know, to respond and to go parasympathetic.
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And we've never really been educated or it's not part of our training as a kid to, like,
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what is the shake?
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How can we induce the shake?
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Could you really shake it off and then start fresh, right?
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And so you mentioned about your little one.
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So if you notice that some people are just more inherently susceptible to being more dominant
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in their sympathetic nervous system, I think that that is the case.
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I think then there is some genetics that are probably playing a part in here.
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And you'll find that, you know, some kids I have four, as you know, and some of my kids
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are more on the anxiety side.
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Some of my kids are like really chill, you know, and then some are kind of just even
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kill, right?
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And I think so there is some sort of like nature and nurture.
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There is some sort of base status, but that doesn't mean that you can't also modify that
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over time.
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And I think that doesn't mean that just because you were quote unquote, born this way,
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that you can't shift things as you understand more about your how you respond to things
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naturally, right?
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You got it.
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And so, you know, there's usually like your type A type of people, which are more head-driven.
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They don't, they can be anxious, but they're typically more anxious related to not doing
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as good as they can do, right?
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That's me.
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Yeah.
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And so, and then you have your, yeah, they usually it's the first child, right?
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And then the first one.
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And so, but then you have, you know, more that are like a heart-centered, more sensitive,
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like they can tend to be more anxious because they're just taking in a lot from the world
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around them and they don't realize like what's their emotional status versus what everybody
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else's emotional status is and being able to delineate that is very, very difficult.
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And I see that in a couple of my kids, actually, so they get anxious because they worry about
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what other people are doing and how other people are feeling and how their response
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that's like the heart on the, on the sleeve kinds of people.
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So, I think there's a base there, but I don't, you know, I think that it's malleable over
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time as you understand more of how you respond to things.
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I couldn't agree more.
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I think it's all malleable.
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And I wanted to own in on that because you are the first doctor in 20 years since my
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heart surgery who said that there was a direct relationship with being dominant in my sympathetic
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nervous system.
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You're the first person to ever say that.
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Really?
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Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, no, because I think that for many Western doctors when they're looking at diagnosing
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something, they want to look for a specific physical issue or imbalance, right?
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And with the nervous system, it's a little harder to assess and diagnose.
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Yeah, it's because it's more of a, I mean, there are things to do, but they're not what
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we would do in conventional medicine, right?
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You're going to get an EKG.
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Great.
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You have a assure attack or whatever it might be, right?
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And but you don't have, like AHRV training, right?
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that's not something that conventional doctor would ever think of, right?
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So if they did HRV training or HRV testing on you when you were in your 20s, they would
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have seen, oh, wow, look at that, like, HRV is like zero, right?
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And that's because if you have a higher HRV, by the way, that's better for you.
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Okay.
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And so the HRV is just the balance between you, it's called your autonomic nervous system,
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you're sympathetic and you're parasympathetic system.
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So I mean, the problem with conventional docs is that they are trained very specifically.
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And so specialized now overall.
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And the other problem is that your generalists, so I'm an internal medicine physician, are
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so freaking busy.
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So they don't have time really to understand anything more than putting band-aids on thing
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most of the time.
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And the conventional system is also broken as far as it comes to preventative care.
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At the most, you have some preventative care that can happen with your colonoscopies
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and your breast cancer, but this is more early detection of disease.
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It's not looking to prevent disease entirely or in the case, you know, in my practice, which
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is more of optimizing health is the focus.
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So instead of focusing on disease or illness, why don't we shift the perspective to optimizing
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health?
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If we do that, then anxiety stress, all that exists, and that may need to be addressed,
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and that's absolutely okay.
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But also looking at why foundationally people are having a hard time, like, are there
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mitochondria screwed up?
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Right?
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And can they make energy well?
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Like, do they have a gut issue?
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Do they have GI issues as well?
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Do they have issues with their neurotransmitters or their hormones?
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And are these also playing a part, right?
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So the way I think about it is that the medical system, as it is, does one thing really,
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really good.
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And that's acute care.
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Like, if you go into the hospital, yeah, for a GI bleed or pneumonia, or if you've had
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a car accident, it is fantastic, and that's what they'll do.
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It's fantastic, right?
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But preventative care is broken.
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It really is.
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And, you know, chronic disease, as we all know, is just going up through the roof.
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And there's so many different reasons for that, right?
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But it's just, it's not in the purview of a conventional doctor at this point, because
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they're so stuck in, for the most part, unless, unless they have their own journey.
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And you'll find, like, a lot of the integrative docs out there have gone to the integrative
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side because of their own medical issues that were installed by the conventional system.
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Or you grew up crazy like I did as a son of a chiropractor, but I'm the exception to
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the rule.
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But there is, but most of the docs that I know that have come this way have come because
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the medical system has failed them or somebody that they love, right?
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Which is sad, but at least it is an avenue for them to be thinking about, okay, there's
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got to be something else here, right?
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Like, my son has fatigue and nothing's getting him better.
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All of a sudden, I gave him b vitamins and something just flipped in a switch and his fatigue
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and his anxiety were better, right?
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And so I think there's a huge amount that's happening now, which is great in the alternative
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you know, world as I would call it, integrative world, and I'm happy to be a part of that.
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So.
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Absolutely.
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And more that we can share like the power of integration across these modalities, it's
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a game changer for the future.
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Yeah.
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And it's happening.
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Yeah.
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I like to say I can talk out of both sides of my mouth, right?
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Yeah.
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I can do the conventional thing.
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I can talk to any doc to the most part, or I can do the alternative thing is crazy and
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as esoteric as you would like.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I like both realms.
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Yeah.
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Let's go back to that resilience that you mentioned of the body.
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Sure.
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And now one of the biometrics.
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Are you wearing Nora?
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Do you wear wearables?
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I have there you go.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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These devices to measure reactions within their body, HRV being one of them, right?
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So maybe give a lens, let's just from basics.
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What is HRV?
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And in terms of a prevention scope, the numbers that you should be looking for.
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Yeah.
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So I am wearing a ring as well.
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I do wear it almost every day.
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But it's also good.
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I was just thinking about this recently, like wearing and tracking are really really important,
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but don't get crazy about it.
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Oh, I know.
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I need to take a break.
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The first thing that I did for a long time when I first got the ring was like, go in
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the morning, you wake up, check your score, right?
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See how you did the night before.
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And then when they changed their algorithm, I might deep sleep, went down by an hour.
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I was like, God damn it.
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But it's probably better because that's closer to what it actually is.
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That's why, yeah.
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So what's nice about following data is that you can see trends over time.
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But I do worry, you know, not in an anxious way, but I worry that people get too reliant
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on these over time.
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And then they forget that there is an intuition.
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The way I would equate it is like, did you have, you grew up the same year I did, like
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you had maps, right?
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You had to follow a map, like a physical map and like draw your stuff to like, I, I was
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a kid and I was 18 and we went to Montreal with my friends from New York and we had to go
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on a map, right?
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And I had this map.
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So but now like nobody knows how to look at a map, right?
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Nobody's even, even that, like how you get anywhere without a map.
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It's the same thing with, and you lose your intuition of like directional space, right?
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The same thing comes with your sleep or your, your exercise or your steps or things like
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that.
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So just be aware of that because you know, it can also sort of lead to like, oh crap,
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my score sucks.
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So today is going to be a shitty day.
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Exactly.
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And I, I tend to, it's like the earth, it's called, we could, you know, orthosomnia is
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a name for it, right?
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The fear of having a bad ring score or whatever.
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When you woke up feeling great.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Yeah.
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I'm like, oh man, I feel great.
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But my ring, oh no, what am I supposed to?
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Day zone.
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Day zone.
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Day zone.
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So I, I think the data is good, but you know, taking it and then understanding that there
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is a place for intuition in there.
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But you know, we HRV is one of those metrics, right?
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So HRV is one of the older metrics.
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It's been around for a while.
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And we know what HRV really is able to do is as I was alluding to earlier is to give
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us a sense of your body's balance between the nervous system, the stress, the sympathetic
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nervous system and the parasympathetic rest digest detox nervous system.
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And so your HRV tends to, it does go down as you get older, that's a natural process.
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But there are certain things that can improve your HRV, like exercise can, obviously stress
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relief can as well.
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And exercise is interesting because people think, well, that's stressful.
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But no, actually, yes, it is in the short term.
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But you're also increasing something called BDNF, like brain-derived neurotropic factor.
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That increases your GABA levels at the same time.
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And so GABA gets increased as a result of exercise too.
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So it has this balance, like even breath work, like, like, whim off breath work or something
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like that.
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People will talk, that's a sympathetic increase.
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But if you're also doing some parasympathetic work afterwards, you're going to have a benefit
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from that.
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So there's a lot of different things that can do, increase your HRV.
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And there's no actual score that you should be driving at, really.
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What's nice about these rings and the other things you can get a baseline and then whatever
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that baseline is, I really don't care what the number is, then you can work on increasing
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your HRV from whatever baseline that is.
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So like, for example, if you're baseline, if in your 40s, as I am, is like in your like
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50 to 60, or 40 to 60 somewhere in that range, and then you have a night where your HRV
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is 20, like, okay, some things going on, right?
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Or if your HRV is 70 for some reason then, I like, what did I do yesterday?
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Right?
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Oh, was it because I don't know how to do it again.
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And sometimes you can't repeat it, and that's okay.
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But it's a nice metric, there's a, it's come a long way.
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Yeah.
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I was using HRV about, you know, seven or eight years ago, it was much harder for people
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to measure, but now it's a lot easier, which is great.
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And you can find that you can actually increase your HRV very quickly, just by doing some slow
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exhale breaths and improving the parasympathetic tone, right?
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So now that I teach my kids, I don't know if you do the same, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I always say, if, with my clients, if they want to see the number go up, do more
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of the activities that help you change your state from fight or flight to rest and digest
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it.
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Yeah.
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I was journaling for some people, it could be guitar playing, hearing this, right?
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Right.
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Right.
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But it was fascinating for me when we put this on the lens of prevention for a lot of my
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clients who progressively got sick, not knowing what was happening in the body.
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That HRV number continued to go down, a couple years ago, I had mold toxicity.
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Oh goodness.
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Okay.
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Kind of kept going down, deep sleep going down, and it was, it was a blessing to have
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this.
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Right.
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So you had a metric to look at it.
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Yeah.
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And understand it wasn't just stress.
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Yeah.
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And that's a big part, right?
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But in their heads sometimes, and there is often a significant cognitive piece.
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Let's not lie.
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However, that doesn't mean there isn't something physical that's going on, right?
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And I think that that's a big piece.
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So when I work with people, I'm, I'm interested in your take on this, but I always find that
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I know within about 30 seconds to five minutes tops, whether I'm going to be able to help
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them physically because my work is mostly looking at optimized vitamins, minerals, nutrients,
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cofactors, it's, you know, looking at testing and then diet and lifestyle.
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But if there's a significant psychosomatic, not psychosomatic, but psychological component
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to it, I'm not going to be able to shift any of those things until they start doing some
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of the psychological work.
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First, no matter what's going on, I mean, it could be something like, oh, I just need
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to give you like a vitamin and you're going to be, you know, then it's going to optimize
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your B vitamins.
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No, it's not going to work.
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It's just not going to work.
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And I've been amazed.
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And obviously burnt when I was first starting practice, like, oh, we can just shift things
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a little bit here and, and make it work.
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I mean, sometimes that does work.
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Sometimes you can have them feel like a little bit better.
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And then all of a sudden, they're more motivated to do maybe some psychological care or some
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additional work there, which sometimes can work, but you're not going to get them where
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they want to go without looking at that psychological piece and, and that's been a big thing.
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So like, I don't like to tell people that I don't want to work with them.
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It's more that I think that they need to do some additional work before we start, you
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know, optimizing, you know, and really we're digging deep into their into their foundational
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biomarkers and things.
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So, yeah.
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Yes.
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And very early on, which is why I ended up going into NLP to show up and talk about it.
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Have you been doing that all the time to me, this whole podcast?
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Yes.
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So consciously.
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The way that I ask questions and the tone of my voice.
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Of course.
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There you go.
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But I realize that, you know, it's up to these calls to talk about supplement protocols
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and types of foods and recipes and stuff like that, but we would spend 60 minutes of,
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you know, a client would be in tears talking about their childhood or their stress.
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Yeah.
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Well, obviously, this is why you can't make healthy choices.
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Exactly.
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to eat. I think the bulk of the population knows what the healthier option is, but the
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deeper rooted question is, why aren't you choosing that for yourself? That's what we have
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to do. This is where you and I would work really well together. Going back, that worked
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resilience. I love that so much. Let's shift gears then in talking about oxygen.
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From Vedic wisdom, and when we think about yoga and breathwork, we think about, we'll call
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our air, our life source energy, right? It's our life force that we breathe into our body that
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can change our state. And I really think that with the rise and awareness around hyperbaric
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oxygen chambers, this is a catalyst for change. But it's something that's also rooted in wisdom
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for the body to heal itself. So this is like a great merge of modern width ancient. I would agree
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with you. Yeah. It's also a little bit about what hyperbaric oxygen chamber is. Do you say HBOT?
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HBOT? Yeah. So people know exactly what it is. And what was your path to kind of get into this
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modality for healing? Yeah. So it's an interesting technology. And it's been around for a long time,
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actually. I got involved and interested in medical school, actually. So I went to medical school,
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as I mentioned, the son of a carapractor. And I knew I didn't want to go into a regular field,
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one where you could make tons of money out the gate, but it really wouldn't serve what I really
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felt I was going into medicine for. So I got tantalized by high price salaries of being a dermatologist
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or gastroenterologist, I thought I might be a GI doc for a little while. But then I kind of knew
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down deep that that's not really where I was here for it to do. And interestingly enough,
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I was in a trauma center in Baltimore. And it's a place called the shock trauma center. And it's
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one of the biggest shock and trauma centers in the world. Baltimore is well known for its shock
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and trauma. The Navy, actually almost all the military branches go there to train because of all
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the gunshot wounds, basically hands off. I saw some gnarly things, but down in the basement,
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they have a very large hyperbureauc chamber. And this chamber is kind of like a submarine like
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a chamber. It's called a multi place chamber, seeing it multiple people in the chamber at the same
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time. You get treated and you also can have an attendant in there, like if you need to have
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attending to the patient that's in the chamber. And so I saw some really gnarly things go into the
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chamber and come out looking not so gnarly. One of them was called necrotizing fasciitis,
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which is called also known as flesh eating bacteria. So it's a nasty infection. It starts really
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just eating up skin and bone and everything else. And so this lady had it and like all of her limbs
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look like they're going to be amputated, which happens with this particular infection. You have to
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amputate the area so that the infection stops going up. Yeah. And so she went in looking like she
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was dark and dusty, not in a good way. And she came out looking pink and healthy. And like,
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I think three of her four limbs, which was much better than all four limbs. And so I was like,
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what's going on? I mean, I was really tired. Okay. We were on call for 30 hours every three nights
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for two weeks. It was intense. And I remember thinking, wow, that was really cool. And then I
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just wanted to go to bed. And then afterwards, I was like, what was going on in the chamber? And
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my father at the same time, interestingly, was getting interested in hyperbureauc therapy
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from an alternative perspective, looking at it for autistic kids, because he's a big practice that
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includes lots of autistic kids and families. And so he was seeing benefit there. I was like, well,
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there's something here. So I dove into the research and I realized that there was a lot of power
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in this particular technology to heal in so many different ways that we were not even looking at
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in the conventional side. So it became obvious to me, I was like, well, I can find a way to bridge the
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gap between alternative and conventional medicine using this technology, at least to start and let's
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see how things go from there. Wow. Yeah. And correct me if I'm wrong, but you know, these chambers
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are way more accessible in other parts of the world than they are in the US. They are actually more
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accessible in the US because they're just more of them. Yeah. But they're more accessible in
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some countries because insurance will cover more indications. Okay. So for example, in Russia,
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China, in Japan, there's about 70 indications where the insurance will cover hyperbureauc therapy
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in the US. There's 14. In England, there's five. In Australia, there's five. So it's a big challenge
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from an access perspective because it does cost money to go into a chamber, a significant amount
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depending on the type of chamber you're going into and how often you need to go in and we can talk
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about all that if you want. But it is now, since the pandemic, especially, there's been a lot more
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interest in hyperbureauc therapy. And there are just chambers everywhere now. And that's it's good.
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It's good, but it's also a bit of a challenge for me because there is nuances in how to use
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these and how best to access them and how to integrate them with other tools, technologies,
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and practices. And most of the time, it's just companies selling people chambers no matter what,
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if they have a wallet, you can get a chamber, right? But is it right for everybody at this very time?
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And the answer is probably not actually. And in fact, I was, this is a big issue that I've had in
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the hyperbureauc community is that I've often said that it's not the right thing to get people in
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to the chamber all the time right away. I often say it's not if, but when hyperbureauc therapy will
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be helpful and maybe not now, but maybe in three or six months when they're a little bit more
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well optimized to go in. So and that's that's a nuance that is challenging for people in the
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hyperbureauc community here because any community, right? If you have a chamber, you want to use it.
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But my argument or my response is like, look, if we can get people a bit better optimized
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before they go into a chamber, they're going to have a much better experience, much better outcome
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overall. And this all goes down to like what's happening in ourselves, right? And this is what's
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called energy metabolism. And and hyperbureauc therapy, really what we're doing. And we can talk
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about the definition is that we're increasing the amount of oxygen and circulation. That is a huge
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amount of catalytic change, but not everybody can tolerate that right away. That's fascinating. And
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you brought in mitochondrial health too. So it would be beneficial first overall. Don't go into
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this thinking. This is the next thing that's going to be the cure all as we tend to do in the
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So let's break down the mechanics. I was trying to do a deep dive last night.
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You can find studies on brain health, neurological disorders, wound healing, energy production
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within the body. It's used for athletes. So what is the biological aspect that's happening
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in terms of making this happen? Yeah, so the quick story is that it's two things. In hyperbaric
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chamber, we're increasing the amount of oxygen that you breathe, and we're increasing the
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amount of atmospheric pressure that your body is under. So I like to go through oxygen first,
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because oxygen's easy for the most part. So at sea level, there is 21% oxygen in the air that
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we're breathing right now. In Colorado, where I live, it's 16% oxygen. So typically, our oxygen is
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carried on our red blood cells. Red blood cells actually have, in fact, 1 billion oxygen molecules
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per red blood cell can be carried on a red blood cell, and it's done that through a molecule called
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hemoglobin, which binds four oxygen molecules per hemoglobin molecule. So if you can do the math,
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it's 250 million hemoglobin molecules per red blood cell. So our oxygen carrying capacity is
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relegated to how many red blood cells that we have, usually, and what is oxygen necessary for
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energy production. If we don't have oxygen around, our mitochondria cannot make energy. It is called
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the final electron acceptor of your mitochondria for this oxygen there, and then as a result of that,
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we can make ATP or energy currency. Also another fun fact, we make about 165 pounds of ATP every single day.
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So this is a very important process. Okay, so we have oxygen. It's carried on red blood cells.
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It's getting dumped off into tissues so you can make energy. So how can we increase the amount
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of oxygen carrying capacity? So you can come visit me in Colorado, stay for about three months,
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and you will have a hormone released called epigen or ebo for sure. That hormone increases the
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number of red blood cells that you'll have in circulation. You've also take that drug, take it as a
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drug, and if you've heard of cyclists like Lance Armstrong, he's the most famous, doping is actually
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taking ebo itself to increase the number of red blood cells you have in circulation. The other way to
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do that is obviously just to take the drug or you can actually give yourself a transfusion of red blood
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cells and that'll increase your oxygen carrying capacity. So, but in a hyperbaric chamber what we do
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is we increase the amount of atmospheric pressure. We simulate the amount of pressure that you
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would feel under a certain amount of seawater. So water is extremely heavy. We don't feel it if we're
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diving in a pool or something like that, but if you pick up a bucket of water, it's extremely heavy.
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And so what you can do is you can simulate that heaviness in the chamber and that heaviness
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drives more oxygen in circulation, not only in those red blood cells, but also into the plasma
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or the liquid of our bloodstream. So it's the liquid that has very little oxygen in it at sea level.
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And in a hyperbaric chamber you can increase the amount up to over 1200 percent more oxygen
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as a result of that pressure. It's a physics law called Henry's Law and Henry's Law just basically
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states that the more pressure you put on a gas, the more of that gas is going to go from a gaseous
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form to a liquid form. In this case we have liquid O2. And so as a result of having this huge amount
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of oxygen in circulation, you create this catalytic kind of change and it does it in a number of
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different ways, but the basics of it we can go into details if you like are there's a huge amount
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of oxygen in circulation. Number one, so that's good, especially if you had an acute issue like a
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heart attack or stroke or traumatic brain injury or spinal cord injury or a limb partial
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amputation would actually saw when I was in medical school. You can get oxygen to the tissue faster,
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so you have less tissue that dies. Kind of a big deal, right? So that's all that oxygen going in.
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There's also because of all that oxygen going in, you're making a huge amount of energy,
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which can be really helpful, and you're also making a huge amount of oxidative stress or reactive
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oxygen species. That's not a bad thing, as long as your system is able to compensate for that
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with antioxidants, right? And so you have to have enough in the system to be able to balance that
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out. And that's an issue, but what it happens with that oxidative stress is that it has this
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shift onto your biology, and so you get stem cells that get released from your bone marrow.
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Stem cells are baby cells that can go anywhere in the body to help us heal tissue, okay? It also
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immediately decreases inflammation by binding of something called inducible nitric oxide, which is
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circulation, causing inflammation, causing blood vessel dilation, and causing low blood pressures
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as a result of that. It also can improve immune system function, so that oxidative stress
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revs up the immune system in a way. It says, okay, something's happened in here. We need to do
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something about it. So immune system gets activated, and you also have a direct effect on bugs,
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on organisms that do not like high oxidative load, or do not like oxygen directly. Like that
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neckratizing fasciates that I mentioned, that's an anaerobic bacteria. It does not like oxygen,
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so that's why hyperburet therapy works so well in that case. And then, so that's the oxidative
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piece of it, so that, and then what also is happening as a result of that oxidative piece is that
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with multiple hyperburet treatments, you're getting a shift in the expression of your genes related
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to epigenetic shifts. So epigenetics is a study of how your genes express, depending on environmental
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stimuli, and what happens in hyperburet chambers, you get this shift in epigenetics, and so that's
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a shift that causes more blood vessels to grow, for decreasing inflammation over the long term,
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for the rebuilding of tissue and maturation of cells into the areas of bone, new bone, new heart,
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new neurons, new cartilage, regeneration, regeneration, yeah. And then, decrease scarring and tissue
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because of all that as well. And then you also get, with this immune system activation, you get this
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sort of rebuilding and recalibration of the immune system as well. Fascinating. So many points.
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Yeah, I know, that's a lot, I know. No, it's a lot, but it's landing, for sure. When I experienced
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a chamber, it was an Excel, so through our mutual friend, Dr. Shah, the feeling, I think I was in
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there for about 50 minutes, 50 to 60 minutes, you could feel the pressure shift when you're sitting
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in there. I remember feeling a little bit like I wanted to lay down, and then all of a sudden,
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I felt like my mind was very awake, like I had a stimulant and I was ready to go. Nice. Yeah,
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and I felt so energized afterwards. And of course, well, why would I just use it consistently,
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then, if that was what I felt, what is the protocol? Yeah. We're thinking about it through a lens
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today. Obviously, you'd mentioned, first, you want to make sure that you're in like a good place,
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checking in on, you know, your labs, your micronutrients, energy and stuff like that.
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Yeah. But therapeutically, then, what should people be looking for? Yeah. So if you have an acute
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issue, like if you have an acute trauma, acute ischemia, like low oxygen state, acute injury overall,
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hyperbaric therapy is like, they do not pass go kind of thing. Like you can really help people,
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you know, even from surgeries, for example, like if you have an acute wound or some sort,
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there really is no other things that you need to do. There's things you can do, and I do them all
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the time, including use like things like methylene blue, for example. But in essence, an acute injury,
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whether it's done by a surgeon, or if it's done by you on the soccer field, or you have a stroke,
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you know, got for a bit or something like that, getting into hyperbaric chamber very fast without
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any other modalities is going to help you because it's that re-octionation that's so important
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during that acute phase overall, and decreasing inflammation and things that I mentioned.
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But if you have a chronic issue where you have a long-term goal, say that you have myotide
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of impairment, or chronic pain, or you have a chronic infection, then what I always say is
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it's best not to go into the chamber right away, and then try to optimize your vitamins, minerals,
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nutrients, and cofactors, your diet, your lifestyle, and then think about synergizing that with
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hyperbaric therapy, because that's when you're going to get the most of the benefit, right?
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The other piece of it to mention, though, is that there are different pressures that we can go
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into a chamber. The milder pressures, like they have Dr. Shaw has, it's a mild hyperbaric unit.
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Milder pressures are always in essence safer, because the deeper you go, the more oxidative stress
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that you're going to create in the system. And actually, the more stem cells that you're
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going to release and the more immune system activation, which can be positive, right? But again,
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if your system's not able to tolerate these high levels of oxidative load, then that's not going
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to go well. And I saw that in clinical practice very quickly. When I started over a decade ago,
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if we put people in the chamber that were too sick, they didn't do well. They may start,
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they may get a little bit better after feeling terrible for a couple days, but then almost always
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they kind of go back to the way they were before they relapse as it were. And so that's because
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the system needs to be better optimized and they need to be more support. But these milder pressures,
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like 1.3, 1.5, you can get away with these even if you're not as well optimized in general.
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If you are well optimized, you tend to feel very good when you go into the chamber. You tend to
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like even a deeper pressure, you're like, oh man, that's freaking amazing because you get all the
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oxygen in your system is well optimized so that that oxidative load because of the oxygen in there
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gets neutralized relatively quickly by your own antioxidant capacity. And so if you have that,
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you're in good shape. You're going to feel great. And so when it comes to protocols, it really just
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depends on what the goals are. If your goal is to is a longevity protocol, is it a exercise
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recovery? Is it jet lag? I mean, it depends on a lot of different things, right? But in essence,
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the milder pressures, 1.3, 1.5, even up to 1.8, that's about the equivalent of like 15 to 30 to 15
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to 25 feet of sea water. So again, we measure all this in sea water, right? So 15 to 25 feet below
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the sea, right? And so if you're going to those kinds of pressures, that's really great for brain
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kinds of things. So you're a cognitive thing. It's also great for what I call like day-to-day operations,
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your health span kinds of things. So your recovery from exercise, your recovery from jet lag,
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your athletic performance, your athletic recovery, your hangover recovery and things like that. So
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those milder pressures can be quite good for that. But if you're going for more systemic
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focus, decreasing inflammation, dealing with a chronic complex medical illness, the deeper pressures
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are usually needed. Fascinating. I did not know that. And what if it's through the lens of
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aging well? You know, studies are on reducing inflammation or a common symptom, I'm sure,
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who are all the time is brain fog or issues with memory and stuff like that. Is there like a
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systemic ways going into a chamber once a week? Do you have to do a series of 6, 10, 12 sessions
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in order to be beneficial? Thank you for reminding me to mention that. So if it's an acute issue,
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typically three, five hyperbaric sessions in a row, maybe up to 10, can have a huge benefit,
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just accelerating the whole healing process. If you have a long-term thing going on,
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it's not going to have the same effect. You need to go in usually the protocol somewhere between
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30 to 40 sessions, five days a week as a protocol to start off with. And then depending on what's
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going on, you may need further hyperbaric therapy over the long term, maybe maintenance and things
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like that. But this is where it comes really important, like the things you were just describing,
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right? And I get these consults all the time. It's like, Dr Scott, I love these hyperbaric therapy
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because I have brain fog. Like, okay, tell me more about your brain fog and what else you've done
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thus far, right? Because if somebody wants to go into a chamber for brain fog, I would say
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short answer? No. No, because what else are you doing, right? If you're eating McDonald's four days
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a week and you're drinking alcohol every day and you have a partner next to you that's snoring
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every night and you can't get enough rest, there's nothing that a hyperbaric therapy chamber is
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going to do long term to help you, right? And so for me, it's always making that, having that
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conversation, right? And saying, look, these chambers can absolutely help you, but let's work on some
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of the foundational things first before you spend the money and the time, right? Because in general,
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like once or twice a week and a hyperbaric chamber, that's nice. It's good for like what I would
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call maintenance kind of mode. If you've already kind of had a good experience in a chamber, what I
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would usually say is that I like people to do a protocol first. I call it like a startup protocol
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or something like that where you do 20 or so sessions in the chamber, just to start shifting the
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physiology. And then you can go in periodically, but in a targeted type of way, I typically say, so
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what I mean by that is that I like to target hyperbaric therapy when in your more of a maintenance
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kind of mode to what you're doing that day or that week. So, hey, I have, I'm getting off an
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airplane. So, so go ahead, go do three hyperbaric sessions. Because when you're on an airplane,
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you're pressurized to 8,000 feet above sea level. So that's low oxygen, methylene blues
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really good for that too. But you want to re-oction it yourself when you get back to sea level because
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that's going to make you feel better faster. So it's a great jet lag hack if you have a chamber
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either in your home or that you can go to that's close by. So you can target it to a big day of
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exercise. If you target it to a big day of exercise, you can use a chamber at night, usually at
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miles or pressures to help with recovery. So the maintenance mode, the maintenance piece for it
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really just depends on what your initial goals are, then how you're using it long-term. But I have
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a lot of patients that have chambers that their house know. Or they can go to a local facility and
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they have a membership like next house I know and others where you can get in a certain amount of
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times per month. But my deal with is that if you're going in just a couple times a week or a couple
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times a month, you really should be targeting those to something that you're doing. Or I mean,
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or just know that there's no real long-term benefit that I can really see from that. I don't see
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it being harmful. But I don't see that they're being the shifts that you see if you're going in
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on a five-day week kind of protocol for a period of time before you start going into a couple
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times a month or a couple times a year or something like that. Such good feedback because I think
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it just offers it's the invitation to use it strategically at different parts and times throughout
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your life. I'm also really interested in how it merges with the kind of ancient wisdom. So
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often I'm sure you prescribe this also when you're in that chamber for 60 minutes, you could either
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sit near your computer and scroll, or you can sit in meditation and focus on doing deep breath work.
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And the impact, obviously, of the latter feels so much more therapeutic to the system.
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I love that it's a scientific device that's merging with the wisdom of your body to enhance healing.
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Yeah, I love that. And what I always say is that it's not only doing what you're doing.
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So my framework is what are you doing before, during, after hyperbaric therapy?
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The truly optimized that. And before, the before, it might be right before, or the before,
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it might be six months before. And that's typically where the mitochondrial health becomes a huge
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piece of it because I got burned in the beginning, not understanding that if you don't have the machinery
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to allow yourself to make energy effectively, and also to detox from the energy that you make,
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people don't realize that when we make energy, just like an exhaust from a car, you make waste
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products too. Some of that waste is, we breathe off as carbon dioxide and water, but some of those
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are reactive oxygen species that are necessary. But if they're too many of them, or there's a lot
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of a sudden like an hyperbaric chamber, and you don't have the capacity to neutralize that oxidative
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load, you're going to feel that. And so that's just a big piece for me. So that's kind of been,
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you know, with my journey of my clinical practice has been, well, I was a hyperbaric physician initially,
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and I still am. But now that's when I talk to people, that's about 80% of what I talk about has
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nothing to do with hyperbaric therapy at all. And I'm understanding from what you're saying.
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The more that you can understand about your biology, the better. Are you running genetic tests
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on all your patients? You know, I don't typically do genetics. I've found over the years, so the framework
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I use is something called health optimization medicine and practice. It's home-hope for short.
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It was founded by a colleague and mentor and friend of mine, his name's Dr. Ted, Dr. Ted out of
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a coach. And brilliant guy, anti-aging physician, was doing AI in the 1980s, that kind of thing.
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He was doing everything you can imagine the dude has done. And so he established this framework.
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And the idea was genetics are important, but they in genetics aren't your destiny, genes are
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your destiny. And so we look at something called metabolomics, which is a little bit further
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down from your genes. Metabolomics is kind of the real-time assessment of what's happening with
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yourselves, again, in real time. So we can see what's happening with energy, what's happening with
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detox, look at heavy metals, micronutrients, macronutrients. You can look at all these things.
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So what we do in clinical practice is work on optimizing metabolomic data.
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And if you're doing that, I'm looking at what the expression of those genes is going to be. So
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you can look at the buy products or the aspects of the metabolism for your B vitamins, for example.
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So you can see, does somebody B vitamin deficient? What are you going to do? You're going to give them
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probably an activated B vitamin as a result of that. So as you know, in genetics, if you have
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your MTAHFR, your mother fucker gene, that people like to say that, you can't methylate your
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B vitamins, your B12, right? Great. That's fine. But how much are you actually? You don't even know.
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Like, it could be 20% methylation. It could be 75% methylation. You don't know the expression
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of that. Although the genetic tests are getting better with that now to give you a better sense,
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but in essence, I don't use genetic testing. I will look at it if my patients have it. And I think
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it can be helpful as data for patients if they have a family history of dementia, for example,
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right? To having, if you have, you know, the alleles that are more prevalent in dementia, for example.
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Like, then maybe it's a good idea. So you know that that gives you, well, holy shit,
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I really need to get my health in order. If that's going to be the type of person you are that
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you need that kind of, you know, thing. And so I find that, you know, when I'm looking at
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my tablet, I make data, it is truly transformed my clinical practice. Because now I can understand
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how to optimize, you know, those vitamins, minerals, nutrients, and cofactors, and how lifestyle
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and diet play the huge part in that, you know, get directed supplementation, which is so so
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important. And not just taking the next supplement that somebody told you about on Instagram or on
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social media, which again, we're all guilty of it at some point. But then that's okay. But
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their stack doesn't need to be your stack and shouldn't be your stack, right? Because you are you
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and they are them. And most of them are not clinicians seeing patients as you and I both know.
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Yeah. And it's this personalized approach that I think is really important. And the more that you
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can own your physiology, then you're not looking for sources that's out of yourself to try to make
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you feel better. You know exactly what your constitution needs, right? And can I ask, is there a
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specific company that you would say is leading the way with biomarker testing?
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Well, I think there's a number of them out there now. I mean, the one that we use mostly at
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at home, hope is a company called Genova Diagnosis. Genova. What we like about Genova is that
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yet, one of the only companies out there that has done something very special with their ranges
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of normal. So what is normal, right? So do you want to be do you want to be normal for a 44-year-old
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or do you want to be normal for a 20 to 30-year-olds, right? 20 to 30 is kind of the age when we're
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as everybody probably remembers is that you can do a lot to yourself and still wake up the next day
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feeling like you didn't do anything to yourself the day before. I mean, I had a roommate in college
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that could drink himself and like piss and puke the next day. He could run a marathon.
857
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Yeah. I mean, he also was Irish, so there's probably part of that. But I mean, so what we do at
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home, hope is try to reverse people's biomarkers. There are nutrient, hormone, gut, neurotransmitter
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markers back to the ages between 21 and 30 years of age. And Genova's normal levels or normal ranges
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are within are doing that. That's their normals are between 21 and 30. So if you look at most
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laboratory companies out there, you're not getting those kinds of age ranges. Usually it's 18 to 65,
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even in some of the functional labs, most of the functional labs actually, I'd even ask some of
863
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these labs to piece out the data so that I could find it from 18 to 30 and they won't do it. So
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and then you go to the conventional side and you look like a thyroid, like a TSA level or something.
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That's that range is between, I think it's around eight years old to 95 years old is the range.
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And then we think like a TSA of 4.5 is normal for a 20 year old. No, it's not. And so it doesn't
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mean you need to start thyroid medicine. That's a different story. But again, normal ranges are a big
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deal. So from our perspective, Genova is great because it's easy for us to be able to know what
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those normal levels are for somebody once between 21 and 30 years of age. So the difference again
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in their approach is that we're not looking for disease-related markers. We're not looking for
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the root causes of illness. We're looking for the root causes of health. And as there's like,
872
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there's so many standards of care for disease. I keep hitting this thing. That's okay. I'm just
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going to start playing with that. Sorry, we're going to. There's so many standards of care for
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disease, right? For every disease you can manage it, but there's no standard of care for health.
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And so we're really trying to do it at home. Hope is trying to create that. And so my
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critical practice is based that being the foundation of what I do. And then the hyperbaric piece is
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something that I will add on when it's appropriate, when it's time, unless it's an acute issue,
878
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then we use the chamber and we, as I like to say, I educationally throw a shit at the wall
879
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to get as much of a holistic plan as I can for them if they need to go in immediately.
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I love that lens so much. It puts a really optimistic spin on the concept of prevention.
881
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Because I think the word prevention itself is like comes from fear of getting sick. And for me,
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for the longest time, even my own journey, I shared my mom his rheumatoid arthritis.
883
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And like I lost my mom to this disease. So the fear was I'm not going to get it, I'm not going to
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get it, I'm not going to get it, which turned into healing and feel my best. So I kind of understood
885
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when I just focused on the healing aspect of my constitution, the fear dissipated, which
886
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loosened the grip on getting disease. Exactly. Yeah, it's like having that thought you can't get
887
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out of your head. You have to actually really just change your whole perspective, right? Yeah,
888
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and that's how to do it. So going back to age ranges. So longevity also is massive buzzword.
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And telomeres were in the spotlight for a little while. I was checking their telomeres to see
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what were biological ages versus their chronological age. But oxygen chambers, hyperbaric, they're
891
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showing how this impacts telomere length also. Is that right? Yeah, there was a study that came out
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a couple of years ago now by a pretty big group in Israel. They have the largest hyperbaric program
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in the world. And they were seeing about 250 people per day in their chamber. On average, most
894
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places in the US might see like six at the most. So it's a huge number. And they put out a study,
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I think the age range was people over 65 years of age. And mostly healthy, maybe I'll make one or
896
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maybe one or two medications at the most. And they did 60 hyperbaric sessions, 60 sessions,
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over three months, five days a week at two atmospheres of pressure, which is a huge time commitment,
898
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right? But they didn't do anything else. They didn't change their diet. They didn't change their
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lifestyle because this is a study, right? And they put them in the chamber basically for two
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hours every day, five days a week with the weekends off. What's that? They came out as a
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teenager. So not exactly. But their telomere length did improve. So again, do we really know enough
902
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to say that telomeres are important? We don't know for sure. But there was about a 20% improvement in
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telomere length. So that was one marker. But the marker that really got me interested actually was
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a marker on senescent cells. Senescent cells are zombie cells. They're these cells in our body that
905
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do not divide anymore. And they do not really make anything good. They just kind of stick around,
906
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don't die and cause inflammatory mediators to increase because they make them and they have a
907
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high risk or they're associated with dementia, degeneration, cardiovascular disease, death,
908
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you know, all the good bad things, right? So what that study showed is that there was about a 30%
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reduction in senescent cell population at around the treatment number of 30. And so this is a great
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study for me because I was thinking, well, they didn't change their diet. They didn't change
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their lifestyle. They didn't optimize any mitochondrial markers or any metatabolumic markers
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at all. Like I bet I could cut that down in half at least and they would still see a significant
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benefit. And I've seen that in clinical practice. If people are with me and they are allowing
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themselves to do more of the groundwork, then they're going to see massive benefit. And I went to
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Israel in 2018 actually to look at the program and I was a very, you know, they were very gracious
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hosts as Israelis tend to be. And I asked them a question. I mean, they showed me these amazing
917
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pictures of these brains. Like they actually, they've published a whole bunch of studies now
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since then on that same population that they showed you can re-vasturize the brain and get the
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brain to re-vasturize after 60 sessions. You can re-vasturize your general organs and you can get
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better erections as a male. And females too, actually. Even though females don't talk about it as
921
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much, but females do enjoy benefits the same. And so, but females, the males in this population
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had better erections, right? They also saw better cardiac function too. So, yes, circulation,
923
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right? So the blood vessel growth that happens in a hyperbaric chamber happens everywhere, right?
924
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Happens in the brain, in the heart, you know, in the sexual organs as well, right? And so,
925
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but I asked them a question after all I was there, showing me all this stuff. I'm like, oh, this
926
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is amazing. Like, like, well, what about what happens long term? They're like, oh, we don't know,
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like maybe they'll have to come back in a couple of years. We don't know. And I'm like, well,
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that's not, I mean, that's, that sounds like a good model, right? At least you're helping people,
929
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but what is their diet? What is their lifestyle? What is their supplementation? What's going on,
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right? And then they're like, oh, we don't do any of that. We tried some coconut oil. I was like,
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okay, I was like, oh, I go, oh, I go, okay, I see where things are going. But I get it, right? Because
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as a research facility, you don't want to have that many things that you're actually changing,
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because then you can't figure out the studies. So, but anyway, so this, this study got a lot of press
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and now we have lots of people interested in hyperbaric therapy because of longevity. And I think it's
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a, it's a good thing. And I think that we do have a modality here that can truly help people
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reverse some of those age markers and there's much more interest in it now. And I'm very excited
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about it. And so I use it clinically in that way, especially in an integrative way. I mean,
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that's the key, right? Absolutely. Is that if you're doing that groundwork and you're really
939
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working on that optimizing of your foundational biology, then we have all these other tools and
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technologies that people are using all the time and how you're integrating those things together
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is really, really important. Like, so you're red light, you're sauna, you're coal plunge,
942
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you're whatever else. And so I got really interested and kind of fed up in like 2019, 2020,
943
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that people were contacting me about this stuff all the time and nobody knew what they were doing.
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And they were getting chain-version companies that didn't tell them how to use them or how often
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to use them or not often. And so that's one, and I started my own company called OneBase Health,
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that does more on the education side. And we're creating ways to help integrate all our
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technologies together with Bluetooth connectivity. So you can use it all from your phone and then
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create your own protocols and then use your own wearable technology to see what you need at the time.
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And so I'm really excited about that. So it will integrate the wearables that you have in order
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to create your protocol. Yeah, so you'll be able to connect all of your, so the equipment that we have.
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So it's currently is going to be with our equipment. So it's OneBase equipment for chambers,
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lights, sauna, coal plunge, and something else I'm forgetting. And you'll have Bluetooth connection
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to all those. So you'll be able to do it remotely from your phone, actually connect to them and operate
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them. And then you'll get data from them as well. We have sensor data that's going to be coming from
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the machines so that you can see what's happening with the machines, but also going to be data coming
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from your wearables and what you want to help program your devices and integrate them in various
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ways. Biggest pet peeve, having all these different wearables, not knowing what to use on what
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things. None of it goes together and I still don't know what to do. Yeah, it's a big thing for me too.
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I have all the stuff in my house. I have it in for a sauna, I have a chamber, I have lights.
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And so I just got tired of having people tell me that what they were doing and then
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knowing it was entirely not what they needed. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
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So you put the scientific lens ATP production on longevity, on telomeres, on senescent cells.
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I mean all science is really pointing to this as being an incredibly therapeutic kind of coherent
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treatment that people can go through to experience. I highly recommend it just for the experience alone
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as a modality that can really help you shift your body. But also just the feeling of oxygen
983
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in your system in a world where we focus so much on stress and anxiety and worry and just knowing
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that we're not breathing a lot. Till this day, no matter what lecture or class I teach, I just say
985
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exhale and you hear it, it's an audible, like I'm giving a vision. We're humble to do some hummings
986
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or just singing. You don't need the permission to do it. We just need somebody queuing us to do it.
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So having the experience, what it takes, what it feels like to be fully oxygenated.
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And I'm sure you've gotten to this state too after doing lots of breathwork practices or wim Hof,
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like the ability of the body to turn on that healing process I think is just fascinating.
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So do you see it as then when we're considering lower in chronic inflammation but going back to
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the nervous system talk that we were talking about? What would you say the physiological impact
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been on nervous system regulation is? So when you're in a chamber, we want to get you as
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parisopathetic as fast as possible too. So when we were talking about what do you do before during
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and after the chamber, during the chamber experience itself, the key is to try to get you as relaxed as
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possible. So you don't want to be watching John Wick 3. You don't want to be scrolling on your phone.
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You want to be relaxed and that's when you're going to heal. And so and you were mentioning about
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just trying hyperbaric therapy and I think that's really a good idea. My only caveat to that is if
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you're going to try it, know that a mild chamber is likely better for you to try to start off with.
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If you're not that well optimized to start off with, if you're pretty sick and you're having a
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lot of issues, like going to a deeper chamber and deeper pressures right away may not be very good.
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It's like yoga. Go to the hardest yoga class. It's going to be your first one. Exactly.
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And then if you're looking at the types of chambers available, going to milder pressures tends to be
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easier on the system overall, right? And so and not everybody's going to feel anything when they
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first go in the chamber either. You were one of the people that did but many people go in,
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they don't feel anything. And you know why? Because they didn't get they didn't get
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parasympathetic in the chamber, right? So the big piece of it is to heal to and then what you,
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but I've seen over time actually we haven't there's not this hasn't been published, but doing a
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hyperbaric protocol does improve people's HRV. It does improve the balance of their nervous system
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overall as they go through hyperbaric therapy, especially if they're consistent with hyperbaric
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therapy, the consistent with their treatments. So I have seen a benefit overall, but the key really
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is that parasympathetic shift. And so I work and I give a lot of people, you know, gabberergic
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things before they go into the chamber. Some of our products at transcriptions, for example,
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because I know that it's going to drop them in faster. So they can take in something to meditate,
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they can use something like our trocom, for example, that helps with relaxation,
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take help get them down a notch. And that's going to help a lot. I love that. I actually used
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trocom consistently last week before bed. Oh nice. Notice a difference in my sleep. Yeah,
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it's working on the gap system, right? And it's working on that thought generator that you have
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up there that's giving you 70, 220,000 thoughts per day. Yeah. And so, and that's what
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you're trocom at our company. So the transcriptions company was developed as the for-profit entity
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of the nonprofit that we have the train. So the home-up train's practitioner is on that
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optimize health. Like I've been trained. And it's a seven model certification system or
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suit certification program for docs or non-docs. Anybody that is really interested in working with
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clients. And so, but we know that optimizing health takes so while. And not something that
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happens overnight. For most people, although most people want to feel better tomorrow. And so,
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what can we do right now, while they're on that longer path, is that we can help them with the
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things that prevent them from being on that path. And one of those things, of course, is their
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anxiety and stress and insomnia. And working on the gap system has been transformative, really,
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because it's working on allowing people to feel how it feels to be paracetathetic again.
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I love trocom. I love our trozi also for sleep. But these are things that if you're working on
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yourself, your lifestyle, your in-breath practices, meditation, yoga, you probably won't need them
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very often. But you may need them in a pinch. And you may need them when you're first starting to
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understand what it is to feel calm again. What it is feels like get good sleep again. Because
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what we've developed is ways to do that in a holistic synergistic way with the types of
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ingredients that we have in there. But really with the main thing that we're doing in those
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is working on the gap system, working on it in a holistic way so that you don't deplete your
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GABA while taking it, which is a problem with a lot of supplements out there, actually. Yeah.
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And things like benzodiazepines, benzos, like adivine, and Xanax, and they're depleting GABA,
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and they're tight, but they bind tightly to the receptor. And as a result of that,
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they cause issues with tolerance and withdrawal and potential issues with dependence as well.
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And alcohol is the same thing. Alcohol makes people feel relaxed, but it also
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trashes your sleep as we know. And it binds very tightly to the receptor and it takes itself off
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very, very quickly. And then you get this two o'clock in the morning wake up with a severe headache
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because of glutamate toxicity, actually. And that's because GABA and so glutamate is an
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excitatory neurotransmitter, right? And glutamate actually gets converted to GABA in the brain.
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So it's this, and those two themselves are 80% of your brain's neurotransmission.
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So the other serotonin or epinephrine, those are your superstar neurotransmitters,
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but there's only 20% of what's going on. 80% is actually glutamate in GABA. And so if you
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very quickly deplete GABA because you just had a whole bunch of alcohol, glutamate's gonna be
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much higher. And then the conversion requires B6 and magnesium. What do you deplete when you're
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drinking all that alcohol, right? Both B6 and magnesium. And so you have all this glutamate around,
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and you wake up with this, this is like my classic. It's like wake up at two o'clock in the
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morning with this terrible headache. It's because you just depleted all this GABA and you have
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all this glutamate around. And the other way to, the other common example is to go to a Chinese
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restaurant where they have MSG in the food. And you have MSG and you feel terrible, right? You
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get headaches. You can't sleep. Absolutely. And that's because of that glutamate toxicity that
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glutamate, you know, elevation, oh, as it were. So the key for us is try to rebalance the GABA system,
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and it can take a while. It can take a while to optimize nutrients and the gut and optimizing
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that can take months. And so, but working on the GABA system quickly with something like TROCOM or
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like TROZE, Chris Leed can be really, really helpful. Yeah. And I really wanted to showcase like,
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there's a time and a place for using modalities like this. But what in your education is so great
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on it? For somebody who is accustomed to living in sympathetic overdrive, you don't know the difference
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when you're out of it. It's such a comfortable place. You almost become addicted. Overcaffeinating
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is your norm. Yeah. So for a lot of my, my clients, if I'm prescribing something for them to experience
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the shift, I literally have to send them like to acupuncture where they physically can't move.
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Right. Yeah. Or even going to a chamber, but not taking their cell phones with them. So
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of course. Sometimes we need to just awaken the memory within us. And I think that it's modalities
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like TROZE. Yeah. That can kind of help us get it. It's an on-demand solution, right? And I
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tell my patients all the time, I hope you don't need these all the time. Absolutely. But they're there
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for you. I don't use them all the time. But I use them when I'm flying, you know, when I'm on an
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airplane. And I know it's, you know, it's just kind of a, it's a hustle to get on there, no matter what.
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And so I use TROCOM to help relax and just quiet things down. And I was talking to a friend of mine,
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I just recently, a couple months ago, actually, maybe about a couple months ago now, she's like,
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Scott, I was on an airplane. My heart rate was 85. And she's usually like 60. And I took a TROCOM
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in 15 minutes. Her heart rate was back to 60. And she felt the difference. And she felt that
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just calming of her nervous system being on an airplane. And so that's really really important.
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That's great. And then I use a lot of methylene blue on airplanes too. And we can talk about that
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if there's time. But when it comes down to the GABA system, my hope always is that we can rebalance it
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naturally over time, nutrient optimized, gut optimized. If you have a lot of gut inflammation,
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it's going to be a big issue, actually, because the main amino acid that turns into glutamate
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is glutamine. And glutamine is also our primary fuel of our small intestine. And so if you have a
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leaky gut, a lot of inflammation there, all your glutamines is going to be going to that point,
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right? And it's not going to be allowing enough glutamate and GABA transition. So I mean,
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it's a holistic plan, right? I mean, for me, when I work with people, it's I'm looking at
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optimizing all of those things. There be six are magnesium, which cause the conversion of glutamate
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and GABA. But what do you need right now so that we can get you the B6 and the magnesium and
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heal the gut and things and TROCOM can be great for that. And but the other thing to mention also
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that's important is that GABA supplements do not work because GABA is too big of a molecule to
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get across the blood pain barrier. And so you take Abyssal supplements and they work for you.
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It typically means that you took a really high dose of it or you have a leaky blood brain barrier
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or leaky brain. Interesting. Yeah. So what about liposomal? So there are some liposomal varieties,
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like their Quicksilver brand, for example. Yeah. I've talked to Chris about this and he's convinced
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that it can get across because their liposomes are so small. And so I think that some liposomal
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varieties may work. Yeah. So that would be the only one that I'll sometimes recommend is liposomal.
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They pair with alphanine. They do. They do. Yeah. And alphanine is great working on the GABA system.
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But be careful. Don't take too much alphanine. Actually, you can have a paradoxical effect if you
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take too much. And it's in everything. Yeah. Right. Yeah. In so many adaptogens and drinks and
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coffees and lattes that people are just throwing it all in. So be careful. Yeah. Yeah.
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With what we do is that we give something in TROCOM called vitamin B. It's B3 GABA or nicotinol GABA.
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And the vitamin B3 attached to it. B3 has a transporter that gets across the borbane barrier.
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And those B3 kind of takes GABA with it as it goes through the transporter. Then it hydrolyzes
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and breaks up. And so you have a little bit of B3 and you have GABA. So GABA binds, obviously,
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to the GABA receptor. And B3 is mildly activating as B3 would be. It's causing an AD is what it
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produces. And so you get a mild activation. But you don't feel and you don't feel tired. Right.
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But you also don't feel anxious. So taking it before bed is interesting. I take it before bed too.
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Yeah. Be as quiet as those thoughts down. Right. But you don't necessarily feel tired from it.
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So, but that's something that you have to get your patients or your clients or or you used to.
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Because like most people that take anxiety medications are used to feeling that deadness inside.
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And that real like just like sink into the couch kind of feeling. They can get used to that.
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It's not really that productive. Right. You can take a quarter of TROCOM and go to work and
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it's your identity. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. So you can take a part like it's a quarter of the TROCOM.
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And feel like you can actually perform better because your mind is actually not as sympathetically
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dominant. So you actually can think again, you know, when you're so sympathetically active,
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your frontal lobe actually doesn't get as much blood flow. And so your executive function,
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your ability to think and to remember and to recall and to perform. It just gets it gets wonky.
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Right. And so taking down that notch, you know, we call it from the the boardroom to the bedroom
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actually because you know, also, you know, there's something called anxiety of performance.
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Performance anxiety from men as well. And so erection is actually parasympathetic.
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There you go. It makes sense. Ejaculation is sympathetic. Right. So if you're
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sympathetically dominant, you know, what might happen, right? So and so it's something that we've
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actually gotten lots of nice reports from couples saying thank you for the TROCOM for the bedroom,
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right? Which is a list. The men in this community are going to be very happy that you're here.
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And the women. Come on. Come on. The women in the women. The women more than men, I would imagine.
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No, I always get the feedback. Where are the men in your show? Where are the men in your show?
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Like they're coming. They're coming. All good. It's nice to hear your words. But it's good for
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the men and the women together, right? So but working on that GABA system is just so so important.
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And so we do this nicotinal GABA vitamin B3 GABA in TROCOM. Then it's combined with COVA CBD and CBG,
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which are working on so COVA works on the GABA receptor too, just on a separate site.
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And then CBD and CBG work on the endocannabinoid system, which is our homeostatic balance system
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in our body, which is a very cool system, but also work on the GABA receptor as well.
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Okay, so flip into methylene blue nicotine and for people who live in sympathetic dominance,
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how this could be beneficial for someone like them.
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Yes, so it's an interesting concept, right? Because what happens really is that if you're always
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in sympathetic dominance, you're clocking the system at all times. You're causing a lot of stress
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on your mitochondria. And so your mitochondria are not going to be able to produce energy as well.
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And they're also not going to be the detox as well because you're causing more inflammation
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in the system. You're requiring more antioxidant capacity than you likely have. And so what
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methylene blue can do is it can reset your mitochondria. It can reboot how it functions,
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reboot the energy production capacity of it, and also can help with the detox side too.
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So it's got a really cool form, we call it a redox cyclor. So it's got very few things
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are like this. And redox cycling means that it can act like an energy enhancer,
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or it can act like a detox at the same time, or in conjunction with each other. There's very
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few things that do both. Most things will do one or the other. There's very few things that
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will do both at the same time, or depending on what you need. And it's been around for a long time
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and has a lot of different additional potential applications. But from a mitochondrial perspective,
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we know that about 94% of the U.S. population has some element of mitochondrial dysfunction.
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And the most common reason is insulin resistance, actually. If you have high blood sugars all
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the time, that's going to affect your mitochondria. But also toxins in our environment, infections,
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medications, lifestyle diet, poor sleep, of course. And so if you have a snoring part there for
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example, I think that's also going to do it. And so that's going to cause stress and you're going
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to get sleep. And so what we want to do really is optimize mitochondrial function. Because it's kind
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of the most important thing you can do for yourself, really. And not every cell has actually created
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equal when it comes to mitochondria. Some cells have lots of mitochondria and some cells don't have
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any, actually. One cell in the body that doesn't have any is your red blood cell, actually. And
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do you know where we have the most mitochondria for cell otherwise? This is the heart. The heart's one
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of them. Okay. The heart, the brain, the brain. And actually the number one is ovaries and
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sperm. ovaries. No way. Yeah. Yeah. Your ovaries have the most mitochondria per cell.
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Makes sense, right? Yeah. Making babies is not not a small amount of energy required. And so
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why is infertility rate, why the rates going down so much is because of mitochondrial dysfunction.
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And all these reasons why, right? So then your brain, your heart, your liver, your musculoskeletist
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you have a huge amount of mitochondria in your muscles kind of in reserve ready for when you
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need them. So when you have to run away from something like your kids, but yeah, but mostly it
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would be like from a lion or something like that. And so it's really important to mind our mitochondria.
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And as we can do that, we can see transformative things in our patients. And a methane blue has
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this capacity as I mentioned to reboot mitochondrial function to compensate for any damage that you might
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actually have. Even so severe damage that you would die if you didn't have methane blue around.
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Something that I hope nobody ever has something called cyanide poisoning.
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I hope nobody has. But cyanide destroys one of your complexes on your mitochondria.
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And what methane blue can do, it actually can compensate despite that and recycle things like
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NAD and FAD, which are important for our for energy production. And making it have you some
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capacity to still make energy despite you not having one of these complexes that work. So
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and that's kind of like the most severe thing. But many people here have issues with some of their
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complexes on that mitochondria and methane blue can compensate and reboot regenerate. And then
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the awesome thing about it, in addition, I think maybe my favorite thing clinically is that you
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can start using it very early on in your journey and use very low doses for eight, 16 milligrams
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and slowly titrate that dose. And then you can start seeing changes in people almost immediately
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as you titrate that dose. And they start feeling better. Their energy gets better. Their brain
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fog gets better. Their their their exercise induced fatigue gets better than all of a sudden
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everything else becomes easier to. And so it's one of the first things that I'll use clinically now.
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Because some people just they can't even tolerate being on B vitamins, right? Because it's just
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too much too much stress, too much energy made it too quickly, right? And some descriptions
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are being written because of lack of energy or poor mental focus or absolutely. Yeah. Yeah.
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And you mentioned nicotine, too, right? And nicotine is one of those black chillies and the
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what's called the black sheep, you know, black sheep. And like and and I really I really don't want
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it to be. It doesn't have to be, right? Because nicotine at low doses as well established as an
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anti-inflammatory, as a cognitive enhancer, as something that can help with memory, recall,
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focus, all those kinds of things. And so you don't want to smoke it. You don't want to
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vape it because that's too much nicotine too quickly. And also there's additives in those
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products that make them more addictive. When it comes down to low doses of nicotine, it's been
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studied in Alzheimer's and while cognitive impairment, it's well established. So as long as you don't
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vape it or smoke it and keep it low dose less than about four milligrams per day, you're in good
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shape. And you know, we have a product that has methylene blue with nicotine caffeine and CBD
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together called blue canteen, which is amazing for focus and for productivity and for getting things
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done and dropping in a flow as a pre workout as well. I put a client on that who is addicted to
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energy drink monster drinks. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was doing like four or five a day. Like it was
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gross, but he was a lawyer or high performing case after case stress, after stress, and it was a
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game changer for him. So I love that. Yeah. So we've seen a lot of that where they can get off energy
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drinks, they can get off the caffeine roller coaster. They can sometimes even get off prescribed
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pharmaceuticals, but they do that obviously with the care of their healthcare practitioner. And
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I work with a lot of clinicians. We have a whole clinician side of transcriptions and we've been
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doing this and seeing amazing benefits. People getting off their stimulants after years and years
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of being on them. So it doesn't like happen overnight. It takes time, but you can see this,
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you know, this massive benefit and nicotines really an anti-inflammatory as well. And so we've
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seen a lot of people with brain fog and post infectious stuff that they just weren't getting better
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and they started some blue canteen. It's like night and day. And it's we had one person that
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hadn't had her smell in two years. She just took a quarter of the blue canteen and she had this
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really interesting, almost negative response initially. She felt like they kind of had some
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shivers, a little bit of not a little bit of sweating. It's like I don't really like how I feel.
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And I'm like, well, you know, maybe it's maybe we have a little bit of a detox reaction. It's hard
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to know. And she, you know, I'm really sensitive to everything is what she said. And then the next day
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she comes back, she's like, I don't know what happened, but I can smell today. That was the shake. Yeah.
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She had the shake of the animal. Exactly. Yeah. It's crazy. Exactly. Exactly. I never
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ever said some had the reset and all of a sudden she could smell again, right? We've had a number of
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stories like that. And so I really do think that there's a place for a low dose nicotine. You just
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want to make sure you're not vaping it or smoking it and keeping the dose less than four milligrams
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per day in general. Great. Yeah. You're such a great teacher. Oh, thank you. Yeah. And just
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doing my research on you, you know, you really have a great education platform. So thank you for
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sharing a little bit about your practice. That went by so fast. Are we done? No, it's just holy
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We covered a lot of students of the process. So for people listening, when they come into
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working with you as a practitioner and your organization and home. Sure. What does it look like?
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So my clinical practice, as I kind of alluded to throughout this, is an integrated approach
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to hyperbaric oxygen therapy. But really that's in quotes because sometimes I'll just consult
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for people doing hyperbaric therapy. And I work with clinics, I work with people all over the world
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that is interested in the modality to use it in various ways. But that's what really kind of
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evolved my practice into being more focused on health optimization medicine. And that's
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called health optimization medicine and practice as our nonprofit organization. So that's
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home hope for short, home hope.org is the website. And it's a training program for practitioners
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of all types, whether your license or unlicensed, seeing clients or patients depending on your
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licensure to learn how to optimize the health of your patients rather than treating disease. So
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the focus and the shift is on things like metabolomics or epigenetics or the gut immune system
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and things like that. But the focus is more on setting disease aside and optimizing the health of
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the person in front of you and doing that with reversing their markers to markers when they were
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21 to 30 years of age. And so that's what I do in clinical practice. And I work with people all
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over as well. It's all via telemedicine, all via zoom for the most part. And I do a battery of tests.
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And then we do an interpretation of those tests along with obviously their diet, their lifestyle,
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their behaviors, all with using the pillars of health optimization medicine in together. So
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the training program's open to anybody. If they go to home hope.org, if you're interested,
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if you're a practitioner listening, go check it out. We have a number of different modules within
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that framework. The primary and the foundational one is metabolomics. About three times a year,
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we do a cohort so that we have about 10 to 20 students that take it. And we have weekly lessons
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with the faculty to talk about the lessons of the week. And we have clinical practice case
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presentations and journal clubs as well. And so if anybody's interested, they're welcome to come
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check that out. And so that's the the the for profit that starts using the nonprofit arm. That's
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the home hope work, home hope.org website and framework. And then we have the transcriptions
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company, which is the for profit entity that does the supplements and the products that help people
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right now while they're on the longer path of optimizing their health. And so we talked about a
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number of them already. The trocom and trozee are our GABA orgic ones, the ones that are focused on
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that parasympathetic activation and relaxing the nervous system and helping you heal,
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but also helping you have less anxiety and less stress and sleep better. And then the
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methylene blue piece is for our energy focus. So methylene blue, we have just blue, which is our
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lower strength 16 milligram methylene blue. And then we have a higher strength that's for
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practitioners called tro plus blue. That's 50 milligrams. The higher strength is more for acute
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mitochondrial stress or for infection. Overall, so we use it the higher doses for infection and it
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really works well for infection. Yeah, yeah, we'll get you some. And and and so we also have our
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blue canotine, which is our combination with our nicotine caffeine CBD plus the methylene blue
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together. And so that's our methylene blue containing products. We also have another one called
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tromune, which is for immune system function based on the cortiseps mushroom, but high strength
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cortisepin, which is a higher potency piece of the mushroom. That's about a hundred times more
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potent as a immune system activator. So it's that's at trowscriptions.com and at trowscriptions on
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Instagram and at home, hope work for the website for the nonprofit. And I think also for oh yeah,
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so there's also the hyperburet company one based health one based health.com. And then if you're
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looking for me, you can find me at Dr. Scotchur, a at DRSEOTT, SHER on Instagram, I guess,
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the best place. Amazing. We'll link out to everything for sure below. I know people are going to
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have questions. Thank you for such a refreshing lens on the body healing. My pleasure. It's
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something that we don't often hear from from medical doctors. To wrap things up, I'm going to take
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you through some rapid fire questions. Oh, fun. Okay, good. Just the fun ones. Yeah. So one of the
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most common mistakes from misconceptions that you're seeing people make with their help.
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They think they need to do more to see benefit. Oftentimes, if they need to do less.
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Couldn't agree more. What's one way that women are making healing into health too complicated?
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Too complicated thinking about my boyfriend. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think that the
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challenges that they think they need to do everything. Women and I see this with my wife and it's
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just how society works and it's hard. It's hard to be female. They're just expected to do more.
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And men are just expected to show up. I remember when I was in the Bay Area, there was a billboard
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that said that basically showed a male father. Basically, the connotation was just show up.
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And that's all I get. That's what you know, guys in this society. And so I think letting
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your partner, if it's a true partner in rearing children, they should be involved in the care
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of your kids, right? And like finding a partner that's willing to do that I think is really important
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too. So good. What would you say? What is your favorite ancient healing remedy?
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My favorite ancient healing remedy. That's good. I would have to say it's meditation. I mean,
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for sure. I mean, and there's all different types of meditation. And I don't, I used to think
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when I was first learning about meditation, you had to like clear your mind and have no thoughts.
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And that's not what meditation's all about. So there's lots of different ways to access it.
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I encourage everybody to find a way that they feel comfortable doing. For me, I'm a big believer in
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the Zogchang practice and Buddhist meditation. That's what I use a lot. I'll use a lot of my own,
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my own personal practices regularly. Yeah. Last one, if you had to pick something about modern medicine
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that excites you, what would it be? I think that what's happening with longevity medicine is very
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cool. I think that the Brian Johnson's with the world and are very interesting and they're very
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much not the norm and never will be. 90% of all of the things that he does or that most people do
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in the longevity world do not require millions and millions of dollars. And so I think that's
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really important. But will there potentially be some breakthroughs that really allow us to live
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longer? Maybe. And I do get excited about that kind of thing. But I have always the, the trepidation
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of just living longer doesn't make those years much better, right? We have to really be focused
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on health span, health span, and living as many as many years we can as healthy as we can,
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no matter how many years that we have. And so, but I do get excited what's happening in some of
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the longevity world with some of the new therapies, some of the new technologies, and we have friends
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and colleagues that are in this world and I get excited about it. But I don't get terribly excited
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about it. I get excited with the caveat as I recall as I just described. Well, I love how you're
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really redefining kind of the face of integrative medicine and the future and longevity. So thank
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you so much. Until next time. Yeah, I'll have you back. Thank you for having me.