Vollständiges Transkript von A 10-Year-Old Was Pulled From His Car by Aliens: The Thom Reed Abduction Story | Thom Reed

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I got 84 00:05:46.430 --> 00:05:47.829 a new album that just dropped. I mean, I don't 85 00:05:47.850 --> 00:05:50.829 even so much. Without further ado, we're going to welcome 86 00:05:50.990 --> 00:05:55.819 tonight's guest. My guest tonight is Mr. Tom Reed. Tom, 87 00:05:55.860 --> 00:05:58.959 welcome to the Truthseeker podcast, my friend. How are you? 88 00:06:00.079 --> 00:06:01.519 I'm doing great, man. It looks like you've got a 89 00:06:01.540 --> 00:06:06.279 lot going on. Yeah, man. Congratulations. 90 00:06:06.920 --> 00:06:09.480 Yes, sir. Just finding, you know, new ways to, uh, 91 00:06:09.600 --> 00:06:13.560 new avenues to articulate, you know, this message and this 92 00:06:13.680 --> 00:06:16.079 inspiration and all that kind of stuff. And I'm still 93 00:06:16.120 --> 00:06:17.879 looking for new ways. If you can think of any, 94 00:06:17.899 --> 00:06:20.939 you know, we'll make it happen. Yeah. 95 00:06:21.279 --> 00:06:23.360 So thanks for having me, you know, appreciate it, man. 96 00:06:23.920 --> 00:06:26.560 Um, so I, I, I, we talked before we went 97 00:06:26.620 --> 00:06:30.620 live and I just reached out to a a publicist 98 00:06:30.699 --> 00:06:34.899 and a virtual assistant who's like, you know, let me 99 00:06:35.000 --> 00:06:37.540 email people for you. Let me find people for your podcast. 100 00:06:37.740 --> 00:06:40.639 And so there's a lot of names coming across my table. 101 00:06:40.660 --> 00:06:42.439 It's like, I don't know. I don't know who that 102 00:06:42.480 --> 00:06:44.500 person is, but let me

research first, make sure it's 103 00:06:44.519 --> 00:06:47.500 going to be a good conversation. Your name came across 104 00:06:47.519 --> 00:06:52.269 the table and I was like, yeah, I watched this 105 00:06:52.350 --> 00:06:58.300 episode of Netflix's reboot of Unsolved Mysteries. And you stick out. 106 00:06:58.500 --> 00:07:01.259 You stick out. I remember you. I remember your persona, 107 00:07:01.579 --> 00:07:05.959 your personality, your story, that episode. I was like, sure. 108 00:07:06.000 --> 00:07:06.259 Yeah. 109 00:07:06.319 --> 00:07:08.500 Book that. Let's do it. And here we are. I 110 00:07:08.519 --> 00:07:11.639 watched the episode. Got so many questions. I'm excited to 111 00:07:12.040 --> 00:07:13.399 dive into your story, man. 112 00:07:13.560 --> 00:07:17.019 They left a lot out, man. They left almost everything out. Yeah. 113 00:07:17.060 --> 00:07:19.750 We've got like four or five different documentaries right now. 114 00:07:20.810 --> 00:07:24.089 um travel channel discovery and be honest with you unsolved 115 00:07:24.110 --> 00:07:26.629 mysteries is probably the weakest wow i mean i don't 116 00:07:26.649 --> 00:07:29.230 know if you're aware that our uh our case actually 117 00:07:29.250 --> 00:07:31.910 made united states history are you aware of that yeah 118 00:07:32.629 --> 00:07:34.930 you are okay so you would have thought that a 119 00:07:35.170 --> 00:07:37.170 show like unsolved mysteries might have spent a little bit 120 00:07:37.189 --> 00:07:39.860 more time and and focused on the documents isn't that 121 00:07:39.879 --> 00:07:42.579 a document driven show right so we were a little 122 00:07:42.600 --> 00:07:45.819 trying to solve the mystery right yeah right there's all 123 00:07:45.839 --> 00:07:48.110 these documents and they don't mention a single line But 124 00:07:48.129 --> 00:07:49.670 at the same time, they were the only ones to 125 00:07:49.709 --> 00:07:51.750 show the flight path, you know, where this thing came from. 126 00:07:52.569 --> 00:07:54.269 And back in the day, it had come from like 127 00:07:54.310 --> 00:07:58.720 Pittsfield or the Springfield area and actually followed the Housatonic River. 128 00:07:58.959 --> 00:08:01.680 And it went right through Great Barrington, Stockbridge, Lenox and 129 00:08:01.740 --> 00:08:04.879 right into Sheffield. And we were kind of ahead of 130 00:08:04.899 --> 00:08:06.740 this thing and turned around and kind of drove right 131 00:08:06.759 --> 00:08:08.959 into it, if that makes sense. So we headed right 132 00:08:09.000 --> 00:08:12.670 into it. So and it was the incident that involved 133 00:08:12.730 --> 00:08:15.389 our family. That September 1st incident was actually Labor Day. 134 00:08:15.889 --> 00:08:18.029 So one of the reasons it got so many witnesses, 135 00:08:18.069 --> 00:08:21.269 there's a lot going on. It was camp, you know, fires, barbecues, 136 00:08:21.310 --> 00:08:23.889 you know. and everyone's hanging out outside so a lot 137 00:08:23.930 --> 00:08:26.410 of people were in groups that didn't even know each 138 00:08:26.470 --> 00:08:28.850 other that were all became witnesses of this thing because 139 00:08:28.889 --> 00:08:31.300 it was a holiday so that's kind of how it 140 00:08:31.310 --> 00:08:32.700 got all the press that it did way back in 141 00:08:32.720 --> 00:08:33.139 the day. 142 00:08:33.409 --> 00:08:36.200 Yeah and uh you know a lot of times when 143 00:08:36.240 --> 00:08:39.620 people have ufo sightings it's something that happens by themselves 144 00:08:39.659 --> 00:08:41.399 and it's like hey trust me i've seen it you 145 00:08:41.440 --> 00:08:43.720 know i've lived to tell the story but this was 146 00:08:43.779 --> 00:08:45.659 a case that that really makes it interesting is that 147 00:08:46.120 --> 00:08:49.919 like People all over town saw it, you know, people 148 00:08:50.000 --> 00:08:52.620 doing different things, different families and people in cars. And 149 00:08:52.659 --> 00:08:54.919 so it wasn't like one family saw it and they're 150 00:08:55.340 --> 00:08:57.879 trying to, you know, promote their story. Literally, people who 151 00:08:57.919 --> 00:09:00.809 didn't even know each other saw this and everybody was 152 00:09:00.830 --> 00:09:01.450 calling in. 153 00:09:01.769 --> 00:09:05.210 Five or six different towns saw 250 witnesses that went 154 00:09:05.269 --> 00:09:07.100 out on the radio, went to the United Nations, the 155 00:09:07.120 --> 00:09:10.429 whole bit. I mean, it was a big case, but 156 00:09:10.789 --> 00:09:12.490 one of the reasons that it didn't get a lot 157 00:09:12.509 --> 00:09:16.049 of the attention some other cases do is that there 158 00:09:16.100 --> 00:09:18.220 wasn't a big newspaper back in town. It was really 159 00:09:18.240 --> 00:09:21.679 the radio station was your local news. But I don't 160 00:09:21.700 --> 00:09:23.120 know if you're aware of who my father was, but 161 00:09:23.159 --> 00:09:26.360 my father actually was an attorney and a mayor and 162 00:09:26.419 --> 00:09:28.639 actually had this mentioned at the UN in support of 163 00:09:28.700 --> 00:09:33.389 GA 33-426 on October 2nd. And because he was mayor 164 00:09:33.409 --> 00:09:36.620 and a friend with Senator Chris Dodd, Governor O'Neill, that 165 00:09:36.639 --> 00:09:38.919 sort of thing. My mother was part of the Historical Society. 166 00:09:38.940 --> 00:09:42.580 So my parents were very plugged in. And so when 167 00:09:42.600 --> 00:09:45.639 this case went to the United Nations in support of 168 00:09:45.720 --> 00:09:51.250 GA 33-426 on October 2nd, 1992, my father also lost 169 00:09:51.259 --> 00:09:55.490 his life on October 2nd. So because a politician and 170 00:09:55.509 --> 00:09:59.330 an attorney lost his life on the same October 2nd, 171 00:09:59.330 --> 00:10:02.450 it wasn't the same year. but it was October 2nd, 172 00:10:02.470 --> 00:10:04.210 a lot of people got behind it and go,

what 173 00:10:04.250 --> 00:10:06.370 happened here? This is just a little peculiar when you're 174 00:10:06.370 --> 00:10:09.230 54 years old and perfectly healthy. And so that drove 175 00:10:09.269 --> 00:10:11.009 a lot of attention to it. But at the same time, 176 00:10:11.049 --> 00:10:15.269 these powers to be had aspirations to run for office 177 00:10:15.320 --> 00:10:18.500 or different positions within government, if you will. So they 178 00:10:18.519 --> 00:10:20.779 didn't want to have this you know, thing over their 179 00:10:20.820 --> 00:10:23.120 head going, you know, Hey, this guy saw UFO. So 180 00:10:23.159 --> 00:10:24.779 all of a sudden he, you know, he loses his 181 00:10:24.820 --> 00:10:26.940 race for office because, you know, back in the day 182 00:10:26.960 --> 00:10:28.659 they were, it was a lot of the rolling of 183 00:10:28.679 --> 00:10:30.820 the eyes today. It's a bit more, you know, uh, 184 00:10:31.419 --> 00:10:34.970 you know, accepted, but back in the nineties and eighties, 185 00:10:35.029 --> 00:10:37.909 it just wasn't, you know, And so there's a lot 186 00:10:38.029 --> 00:10:39.529 more than that, too. A lot of people don't realize 187 00:10:39.570 --> 00:10:43.480 that where the Berkshires are located because you don't live 188 00:10:43.500 --> 00:10:45.500 far from me. You're in Alabama and I'm in Tennessee. 189 00:10:45.519 --> 00:10:47.940 So we're kind of neighbors here. But in New England, 190 00:10:48.440 --> 00:10:52.139 back in the 60s, you had all these government manufacturing facilities. 191 00:10:52.159 --> 00:10:53.950 And a lot of people don't realize this either. But 192 00:10:54.070 --> 00:10:57.250 NASA was in Boston. Did you know NASA was in 193 00:10:57.289 --> 00:10:58.450 Boston back in the 60s? 194 00:10:58.590 --> 00:10:59.190 I do not. 195 00:10:59.409 --> 00:11:02.220 So, yeah, a lot of people don't. So NASA was 196 00:11:02.259 --> 00:11:06.379 in Boston. You had Command Aerospace, Pratt & Whitney, Sikorsky Aircraft, 197 00:11:06.840 --> 00:11:12.600 General Electric, Sprague Electric, the Nuclear Submarine Base, right, which 198 00:11:12.730 --> 00:11:17.070 the naval base. And so most of these companies were 199 00:11:17.129 --> 00:11:20.690 working on the secret space program back because of the 200 00:11:20.769 --> 00:11:24.620 space race back in 69, right? And the goodwill message 201 00:11:25.120 --> 00:11:29.409 that was left on the moon in 1969, July 20th, 202 00:11:29.529 --> 00:11:32.889 was actually made just down the road from our family's diner. 203 00:11:33.500 --> 00:11:36.399 So when people saw these UFOs in the area around 204 00:11:36.440 --> 00:11:38.220 Housatonic River and the bridge and Sheffield and so on 205 00:11:38.279 --> 00:11:40.730 and so forth, you know there was this uh well 206 00:11:40.889 --> 00:11:43.230 you know did you see that and then their parents 207 00:11:43.289 --> 00:11:45.629 are like don't talk about that because my brother or

208 00:11:45.870 --> 00:11:48.909 sister or father or mother could lose their job because 209 00:11:48.929 --> 00:11:50.830 they're not supposed to be talking about ufos when they're 210 00:11:50.850 --> 00:11:53.230 leaving messages on the moon during the space race so 211 00:11:53.250 --> 00:11:55.429 it was kind of hushed and so my family had 212 00:11:55.470 --> 00:11:58.480 a diner and the diner was right across the street 213 00:11:58.519 --> 00:12:00.700 from school so a lot of these parents because it 214 00:12:00.740 --> 00:12:03.620 was kind of a a rural area would drop their 215 00:12:03.700 --> 00:12:05.759 children off at the diner my mother would run a 216 00:12:05.799 --> 00:12:09.259 tab back in the day you know Your son had pancakes, 217 00:12:09.360 --> 00:12:11.220 this and an orange juice, and they would pay it 218 00:12:11.259 --> 00:12:13.889 at the end of the week. And so the fathers 219 00:12:13.929 --> 00:12:16.350 and mothers would all come and get their children after school. 220 00:12:16.850 --> 00:12:18.690 And that's where a lot of the talk took place 221 00:12:18.730 --> 00:12:21.389 was in our diner. And because so many fights broke 222 00:12:21.470 --> 00:12:25.620 out and because our family's incident not only was discussed 223 00:12:25.629 --> 00:12:27.500 in the diner, but the following day it came over 224 00:12:27.519 --> 00:12:30.460 the radio and played in our diner, in fact, a 225 00:12:30.539 --> 00:12:33.840 full diner of people. And so they're all hearing these 226 00:12:33.899 --> 00:12:35.919 witnesses call in and saying, yeah, I saw that too. 227 00:12:37.120 --> 00:12:39.230 And so all of a sudden the diner became this 228 00:12:39.309 --> 00:12:44.789 hub for conversation. And because our diner actually altered the 229 00:12:44.850 --> 00:12:48.870 natural progression of the community, because fights would break out 230 00:12:48.889 --> 00:12:51.299 in the whole bit, our diner was deemed to have 231 00:12:51.700 --> 00:12:55.059 been historically, the incident itself in our diner in the 232 00:12:55.120 --> 00:12:58.720 talk was historically true because we actually altered the natural 233 00:12:58.759 --> 00:13:01.860 progression of the area. And that's kind of, played a 234 00:13:01.899 --> 00:13:05.279 part in how our case got inducted into history. Wow. 235 00:13:05.620 --> 00:13:08.000 Because we act like building the kid altered the railroad. 236 00:13:08.480 --> 00:13:10.779 We altered the natural progression of the community over a 237 00:13:10.860 --> 00:13:13.570 UFO case because Sprague and all these people working in 238 00:13:13.590 --> 00:13:16.070 the space race and all these fights broke out in 239 00:13:16.110 --> 00:13:18.370 her diner that wouldn't have happened otherwise. 240 00:13:18.750 --> 00:13:19.029 Yeah. 241 00:13:19.110 --> 00:13:21.129 So that's a big part of it. Yeah. Then of 242 00:13:21.149 --> 00:13:22.740 course the loss of my father and I passed my 243 00:13:22.769 --> 00:13:25.059 polygraph test that went out on the radio. So it 244 00:13:25.080 --> 00:13:27.360 really is the first UFO case to be deemed historically 245 00:13:27.399 --> 00:13:30.049 true in America. So I'm proud to be, I'm happy 246 00:13:30.080 --> 00:13:30.740 to be part of that. 247 00:13:31.029 --> 00:13:34.320 Yeah. I mean, you know, to have your story told and, 248 00:13:34.539 --> 00:13:37.059 you know, you paid for it, you know, you went 249 00:13:37.100 --> 00:13:39.100 through a lot, you know, and, and, and we don't 250 00:13:39.159 --> 00:13:42.360 know everything that, that happened in a lot of it's speculation, 251 00:13:42.419 --> 00:13:45.139 but you know, there, there was a lot that happened 252 00:13:45.960 --> 00:13:48.659 and you're still uncovering stuff. So, so there's that too, 253 00:13:49.230 --> 00:13:52.669 as an investigator, right. If somebody has happened this stuff, 254 00:13:52.750 --> 00:13:54.950 you know, we talked about before we went live, why 255 00:13:54.990 --> 00:13:57.629 am I doing this? Something happened to me at four. 256 00:13:58.409 --> 00:14:03.549 That I'm now, you know, almost 40 and I'm doing 257 00:14:03.570 --> 00:14:06.470 this today. And you were about 10 when this happened, right? 258 00:14:07.389 --> 00:14:08.590 Yeah, almost 10. Absolutely. 259 00:14:08.649 --> 00:14:11.500 And now we're having this conversation today about something that 260 00:14:11.509 --> 00:14:13.559 happened to you when you were 10 that was a 261 00:14:13.620 --> 00:14:15.860 staple in your life. Yeah. 262 00:14:16.000 --> 00:14:18.039 And just like you at four years old, that was 263 00:14:18.090 --> 00:14:19.830 a staple in yours. If that didn't happen to you 264 00:14:19.850 --> 00:14:21.649 and this didn't happen to me, we would be talking today. 265 00:14:22.009 --> 00:14:23.210 Nope. Not at all. 266 00:14:23.389 --> 00:14:26.110 A lot of people, I think one of the things 267 00:14:26.129 --> 00:14:28.809 that my, my family's always, um, you know, we've had 268 00:14:28.830 --> 00:14:32.230 a very different approach or feeling about this. You know, 269 00:14:32.250 --> 00:14:34.610 my parents back in the day were very religious. I 270 00:14:34.690 --> 00:14:36.450 actually used to carry the cross, you know, I was a, 271 00:14:36.850 --> 00:14:39.350 you know, went to church and all that. And, uh, 272 00:14:39.840 --> 00:14:43.480 after this happened, um, you know, I, I, all of 273 00:14:43.519 --> 00:14:46.419 a sudden I remember feeling like, uh, you know, I 274 00:14:46.649 --> 00:14:49.190 was lied to, you know, that everything was very different 275 00:14:49.210 --> 00:14:51.190 than what I was led to believe. And my parents 276 00:14:51.210 --> 00:14:53.610 had a stable, a stable, you know, uh, had a 277 00:14:53.649 --> 00:14:55.480 bunch of horses, you know, um, it was on top 278 00:14:55.500 --> 00:14:57.899 of the hills, big red, um, you know, spot there. 279 00:14:57.919 -->

00:14:59.139 And I could climb up the back of it and 280 00:14:59.179 --> 00:15:01.779 sit on top of this, you know, uh, building, if 281 00:15:01.799 --> 00:15:04.320 you will, where the horses were. And, uh, I used 282 00:15:04.340 --> 00:15:06.090 to look out over the mountains and the hills and, 283 00:15:06.389 --> 00:15:09.039 and just feel like I was, uh, you know, lost, 284 00:15:09.610 --> 00:15:11.690 you know, like I had taken a wrong turn somewhere 285 00:15:11.710 --> 00:15:14.570 that my life was meant to be this or that. 286 00:15:14.629 --> 00:15:17.850 And I was very, you know, no longer throwing the 287 00:15:17.870 --> 00:15:19.850 ball around with the kids was like something I wanted 288 00:15:19.889 --> 00:15:21.980 to do. I was like really into, you know, what 289 00:15:22.000 --> 00:15:23.500 did I, you know, what was that, you know, what 290 00:15:23.519 --> 00:15:26.580 was I part of, you know? And because of that, 291 00:15:26.639 --> 00:15:31.009 I think that, you know, I, I, My whole life 292 00:15:31.190 --> 00:15:33.190 was altered after that. You know, I didn't go back 293 00:15:33.230 --> 00:15:36.080 to church. You know, I wasn't I was bored very easily. 294 00:15:36.149 --> 00:15:38.360 My mind was going, you know, I couldn't I saw 295 00:15:38.399 --> 00:15:41.600 something extraordinary. Right. I mean, this thing was extraordinary. And 296 00:15:41.620 --> 00:15:43.919 it was like I wasn't scared of it. I was 297 00:15:43.980 --> 00:15:46.750 kind of too young to really realize that that I 298 00:15:46.750 --> 00:15:48.909 was actually fortunate to be part of something like that. 299 00:15:49.590 --> 00:15:50.950 You know, a lot of people talk about, I wonder 300 00:15:50.970 --> 00:15:52.629 what it'd be like to see you. Well, I was there, 301 00:15:52.929 --> 00:15:55.100 you know, this thing was right in front of me. Yeah. And, 302 00:15:56.000 --> 00:15:58.240 and so I, I looked at it as almost like 303 00:15:58.259 --> 00:16:00.279 a privilege to have been part of it. So it 304 00:16:00.320 --> 00:16:01.759 really wasn't, you know, a lot of people say, oh, 305 00:16:01.779 --> 00:16:04.279 you know, weren't you terrified? No, I hate that, you know, 306 00:16:04.299 --> 00:16:07.429 that word, you know, terrified. It's so corny. Right. Was I, 307 00:16:07.580 --> 00:16:10.000 was I, maybe I was too young to be scared. 308 00:16:10.620 --> 00:16:12.720 You know, it didn't, when I saw this thing and 309 00:16:12.759 --> 00:16:14.720 my mind wasn't going, what does this mean for humanity? 310 00:16:15.220 --> 00:16:17.080 You know what I mean? It was just like, I 311 00:16:17.279 --> 00:16:20.379 couldn't take my eyes off of it. And so, you know, 312 00:16:20.440 --> 00:16:23.940 I look at it in the light that it wasn't 313 00:16:23.980 --> 00:16:29.279 the off world incident that really bothered our family or 314 00:16:29.899 --> 00:16:33.159 or affected our family. It was the on world incident. 315 00:16:33.370 --> 00:16:36.909 It was all the on world nonsense that. those neighbors, 316 00:16:37.190 --> 00:16:41.039 those so-called friends, it was those people, the on world 317 00:16:41.460 --> 00:16:45.000 that destroyed our lives and enforced us to move. Yeah. 318 00:16:45.179 --> 00:16:47.600 You know, we were able to accept in a lot 319 00:16:47.620 --> 00:16:50.779 of ways what happened because we what else are you 320 00:16:50.799 --> 00:16:52.539 going to do? Things happen to a lot of people. 321 00:16:52.659 --> 00:16:54.889 You have to just move forward and move on and, 322 00:16:55.389 --> 00:16:57.029 and you have lives, you have kids, you got to 323 00:16:57.070 --> 00:16:58.669 take care of, you got to go to work. I mean, 324 00:16:58.990 --> 00:17:00.570 it becomes part of you, but it doesn't have to 325 00:17:00.649 --> 00:17:03.289 be you. Yeah. And so we kind of put it 326 00:17:03.429 --> 00:17:07.670 aside and focused on our, our lives. And, uh, it just, 327 00:17:07.690 --> 00:17:09.390 there are a lot of the neighbors and a lot 328 00:17:09.410 --> 00:17:11.029 of the people in the area weren't going to allow 329 00:17:11.049 --> 00:17:12.250 that to happen, you know? 330 00:17:13.349 --> 00:17:15.890 Um, for the, for, so, so I mean, I'll, I'll, 331 00:17:16.299 --> 00:17:20.039 I've seen the Unsolved Mysteries episode. I've listened to a 332 00:17:20.059 --> 00:17:23.390 couple of your interviews as well. But for those who 333 00:17:23.470 --> 00:17:26.569 don't really, because we're just jumping in and we know 334 00:17:26.609 --> 00:17:28.109 we can build on that level and I want to 335 00:17:28.150 --> 00:17:31.500 keep doing that. But for those who aren't familiar with 336 00:17:31.599 --> 00:17:33.900 your case and actually what happened, can you walk us 337 00:17:33.920 --> 00:17:35.420 through that day and what you experienced? 338 00:17:36.480 --> 00:17:39.609 Yeah, sure. It was OK. I was like I said, 339 00:17:39.630 --> 00:17:41.769 it was a holiday. It was Labor Day. And I 340 00:17:42.470 --> 00:17:45.089 used to ride horses and I was I was riding 341 00:17:45.109 --> 00:17:50.750 a competition, a 4-H show competition. And my it was 342 00:17:50.769 --> 00:17:52.119 getting late. You know, we had to go be in 343 00:17:52.150 --> 00:17:54.859 bed by nine. And my mother and grandmother used to 344 00:17:55.000 --> 00:17:57.819 own and run a diner, which is now Roberto's. It 345 00:17:57.859 --> 00:18:00.420 used to be the Village Green in Sheffield. And so 346 00:18:00.440 --> 00:18:01.819 we had the cook stay open later because it was 347 00:18:01.839 --> 00:18:04.180 a holiday. So we went back to the place to 348 00:18:04.259 --> 00:18:07.819 lock it up, to make the night deposit drop, make 349 00:18:07.859 --> 00:18:11.619 sure it was ready for morning. And so we hung 350 00:18:11.680 --> 00:18:14.349 out there for a little bit, dropped a couple quarters 351 00:18:14.369 --> 00:18:16.130 in a jukebox. I

remember we used to listen to 352 00:18:16.150 --> 00:18:20.230 jukebox all the time. And it was about 8.30. And 353 00:18:20.369 --> 00:18:22.789 if you watch Unsolved Mysteries, then you know Melanie had 354 00:18:22.809 --> 00:18:25.609 an experience right around 7.30 or 8 at the lake. 355 00:18:25.630 --> 00:18:30.470 So it was over water. And we were a little further, 356 00:18:30.490 --> 00:18:33.450 we were almost on a Connecticut line. So Melanie was 357 00:18:33.509 --> 00:18:36.940 further into Massachusetts. So we actually, when we left, we 358 00:18:36.980 --> 00:18:39.619 were kind of headed towards the way the UFO was coming, 359 00:18:39.700 --> 00:18:44.460 which was down the Housatonic River. And so it was 360 00:18:44.480 --> 00:18:46.250 getting late, so my mother decided to take the shortcut, 361 00:18:46.369 --> 00:18:49.210 and she went through a bridge, this old Sheffield Bridge. 362 00:18:49.890 --> 00:18:53.650 And when we came out the other side, my grandmother 363 00:18:53.690 --> 00:18:55.690 had turned around, and I was giving my brother candy 364 00:18:55.730 --> 00:18:57.400 and stuff, so she turned around and faced the back 365 00:18:57.440 --> 00:18:59.140 seat and was talking to us. And then she noticed 366 00:18:59.640 --> 00:19:01.599 right off the water of the banks of the Sheffield, 367 00:19:01.680 --> 00:19:03.200 off the left side of the bridge, the driver's side 368 00:19:03.220 --> 00:19:05.960 of the car, there was this huge round sphere, which 369 00:19:06.000 --> 00:19:08.109 was about four times the size of a Volkswagen Beetle. 370 00:19:08.480 --> 00:19:11.309 I don't know how I... any way to really describe that. 371 00:19:11.329 --> 00:19:12.930 But if you know the size of a Volkswagen, it 372 00:19:12.950 --> 00:19:15.069 was pretty big. It was like three to four times 373 00:19:15.109 --> 00:19:18.140 that size, perfectly round. And I used to say it 374 00:19:18.180 --> 00:19:20.319 reminded me of like a light bulb, right? Because it 375 00:19:20.339 --> 00:19:21.980 was kind of defined and it had a little bit 376 00:19:22.019 --> 00:19:24.019 of a glow to it. But to be honest with you, 377 00:19:24.059 --> 00:19:25.680 if you play pool, it was more like a cue ball. 378 00:19:26.579 --> 00:19:29.359 It was more like an illuminated cue ball because it 379 00:19:29.440 --> 00:19:33.180 had that weight and mass to it. It looked so solid, right? 380 00:19:33.460 --> 00:19:37.130 And the edges were very sharp and it rose up 381 00:19:37.509 --> 00:19:42.670 to about, I don't know, maybe a two stories. And 382 00:19:42.730 --> 00:19:44.690 then it stayed there for a second. Now we were 383 00:19:44.710 --> 00:19:46.450 only going about 10 miles an hour because when we 384 00:19:46.470 --> 00:19:49.089 came off the bridge, there were potholes. This was a 385 00:19:49.170 --> 00:19:51.549 dirt road and it wasn't very well maintained. It was 386 00:19:51.569 --> 00:19:53.950 like a road for horse and buggy. It really wasn't 387 00:19:53.970 --> 00:19:56.299 even a road. Two cars couldn't even pass each other. 388 00:19:56.470 --> 00:19:59.059 It was just a dirt path, basically. And it was real, 389 00:19:59.079 --> 00:20:02.259 that bridge was kind of used for, you know, fire trucks, 390 00:20:02.299 --> 00:20:04.980 emergency vehicles, that kind of thing. But it really, it's 391 00:20:05.019 --> 00:20:08.490 never even really been a road. And so with that, 392 00:20:08.589 --> 00:20:11.750 we were going very slow, maybe 10, 15 miles an 393 00:20:11.789 --> 00:20:15.690 hour max. And so when we came off that slope, 394 00:20:15.710 --> 00:20:17.609 that little bit of a downhill off the boards of 395 00:20:17.650 --> 00:20:20.250 the bridge, we hit the dirt. That's when my grandmother 396 00:20:20.269 --> 00:20:21.950 saw this thing. So now the thing was kind of 397 00:20:21.970 --> 00:20:24.279 behind us. It was kind of behind the left side 398 00:20:24.299 --> 00:20:27.140 of the driver and it rose up. stayed for a 399 00:20:27.200 --> 00:20:30.059 second and fired these rods of light on the left 400 00:20:30.160 --> 00:20:31.759 and right side of it. It could have been more 401 00:20:31.779 --> 00:20:34.529 than a couple. I just remember the lights firing. So 402 00:20:34.569 --> 00:20:36.549 it looked like a sugar cone or an upside down 403 00:20:36.589 --> 00:20:40.029 Hershey's kiss. So these lights came down into the water 404 00:20:41.190 --> 00:20:43.609 and we were kept going. And then those, either they just, 405 00:20:44.329 --> 00:20:46.750 you know, went back in it or however, but the lights, 406 00:20:46.869 --> 00:20:49.809 those rods were gone. My brother was turning, he was 407 00:20:49.829 --> 00:20:51.150 to the right of me, so he couldn't see it 408 00:20:51.210 --> 00:20:53.779 very well. So he was looking around to the right side, 409 00:20:53.839 --> 00:20:57.049 and we saw a second sphere, which was also over water. 410 00:20:57.109 --> 00:20:58.829 But this one was like orange, and the center of 411 00:20:58.869 --> 00:21:01.049 it was like rolling or moving. It was like an 412 00:21:01.130 --> 00:21:03.309 ocean wave. It's kind of how my brother, he had 413 00:21:03.349 --> 00:21:04.690 a better look at it than I did. Like an 414 00:21:04.750 --> 00:21:07.390 ocean wave, just tumbling. But it was orange, and it 415 00:21:07.470 --> 00:21:09.519 was over water also, but it wasn't as big as 416 00:21:09.539 --> 00:21:11.119 the white one. But then again, it was further away, 417 00:21:11.180 --> 00:21:12.480 so it could have been, but it didn't look like 418 00:21:12.500 --> 00:21:14.380 it was as big as that white sphere that we saw. 419 00:21:15.109 --> 00:21:16.869 And so this is kind of important because we had 420 00:21:16.930 --> 00:21:18.609 one on our left side of the car, on the 421 00:21:18.650 --> 00:21:20.589 right side of the car. Then as we went down 422 00:21:20.630 --> 00:21:22.049 this dirt road a

little bit further and we stopped 423 00:21:22.069 --> 00:21:25.180 near a telephone pole, we saw this craft, which used to, 424 00:21:25.380 --> 00:21:26.990 you know, I've described it as looking like a turtle 425 00:21:27.019 --> 00:21:29.900 shell because it wasn't shiny and cool looking, you know, 426 00:21:29.960 --> 00:21:32.680 like a super cool Jetson thing. It was like someone 427 00:21:32.700 --> 00:21:34.700 took a blowtorch to this thing. It had different shades 428 00:21:34.720 --> 00:21:36.880 and colors to it. And it was about three stories 429 00:21:36.980 --> 00:21:38.680 up and it was like a hundred yards in size. 430 00:21:39.420 --> 00:21:41.420 So if you look at what was in front of us, 431 00:21:41.480 --> 00:21:44.230 which was, this was a clock. We had the white 432 00:21:44.250 --> 00:21:49.529 sphere at like, you know, maybe eight o'clock. And then 433 00:21:49.670 --> 00:21:52.609 the orange one at like three o'clock. And then this 434 00:21:52.690 --> 00:21:55.180 one that we, this craft or disc that we saw 435 00:21:55.259 --> 00:21:58.180 would have been like almost 12 o'clock. So we were 436 00:21:58.240 --> 00:22:02.920 in the middle of three objects. It was like a pyramid. 437 00:22:04.599 --> 00:22:07.009 So you've probably heard me talk about how we felt 438 00:22:07.029 --> 00:22:09.950 like suddenly we were underwater. You know, everything was muted. 439 00:22:09.970 --> 00:22:10.549 Mm-hmm. 440 00:22:11.309 --> 00:22:14.730 So we believe, and I don't know this for, you know, 441 00:22:14.990 --> 00:22:18.210 I'm just, we assume that the objects were communicating with 442 00:22:18.230 --> 00:22:21.150 each other and we were in the middle of this communication, 443 00:22:21.490 --> 00:22:24.609 which is why we believe our neurons were affected. You know, 444 00:22:24.630 --> 00:22:26.730 the car had a bit of a magnetic anomaly to 445 00:22:26.769 --> 00:22:30.019 it afterwards. And, and so we believe that's kind of 446 00:22:30.059 --> 00:22:32.319 what hit us. We, and so we just felt like 447 00:22:32.400 --> 00:22:34.859 we were in a funk. I remember, you know, just 448 00:22:34.900 --> 00:22:38.440 kind of thinking I was responding and everything seemed to 449 00:22:38.460 --> 00:22:41.900 be okay, but it was surreal, you know? Um, And 450 00:22:41.980 --> 00:22:44.000 we were all feeling that way. But at the same time, 451 00:22:44.039 --> 00:22:45.819 we're all still looking at this thing out the window. 452 00:22:46.799 --> 00:22:49.950 And then it was like I heard this tapping sound, 453 00:22:50.529 --> 00:22:53.309 which reminded me of stones hitting the bottom side of 454 00:22:53.349 --> 00:22:55.009 a car, you know, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap underneath 455 00:22:55.029 --> 00:22:57.869 the fender wall. And I don't know if that was 456 00:22:57.930 --> 00:23:00.809 really happening or if that's what I remember hearing from 457 00:23:00.950 --> 00:23:02.859 this or where that was coming from. But it did 458 00:23:02.890 --> 00:23:04.900 sound like, you know, it was a dirt road. So 459 00:23:04.920 --> 00:23:07.279 I thought, oh, it's stones. And as we came to 460 00:23:07.319 --> 00:23:10.549 a dead stop, The car was running. The headlights were on. 461 00:23:10.869 --> 00:23:12.910 My mother never turned the car off. My mother was 462 00:23:12.950 --> 00:23:15.829 in the driver's seat. My grandmother was in the passenger seat. 463 00:23:16.650 --> 00:23:18.970 And I was sitting behind my mom. My brother was 464 00:23:19.009 --> 00:23:23.430 sitting behind my grandmother. This is important, too. Well, when 465 00:23:24.170 --> 00:23:27.210 we stopped and really got a look at this thing, 466 00:23:27.250 --> 00:23:30.390 because I've said that it had some light, too. We 467 00:23:30.410 --> 00:23:33.210 could see it. It wasn't shooting out light. The shell 468 00:23:33.250 --> 00:23:37.259 of this thing illuminated or put out a sheen. It 469 00:23:37.299 --> 00:23:39.799 wasn't like there were lights on it shooting out. The 470 00:23:39.839 --> 00:23:42.190 thing itself kind of put out a glow. 471 00:23:42.210 --> 00:23:42.890 Mm-hmm. 472 00:23:43.299 --> 00:23:44.960 And the right side of it, as we looked at it, 473 00:23:44.980 --> 00:23:47.740 was huge. The right side of it seemed to be 474 00:23:47.779 --> 00:23:50.380 a little brighter than the left. I don't really remember 475 00:23:50.480 --> 00:23:52.569 seeing the whole left side. I remember seeing like the 476 00:23:52.650 --> 00:23:55.009 top and the right side, but coming down and it 477 00:23:55.029 --> 00:23:57.170 had like an amber or reddish glow to it. And 478 00:23:57.210 --> 00:23:59.210 so when I first talked to Melanie, she's like, oh, 479 00:23:59.230 --> 00:24:00.970 I had a red thing going on. I'm like, wow, 480 00:24:01.009 --> 00:24:04.349 she's telling the truth because I've never mentioned that color 481 00:24:04.470 --> 00:24:06.769 and how that looked. And so I knew she saw 482 00:24:06.809 --> 00:24:11.279 the same thing. And so anyway, we were sitting there 483 00:24:11.880 --> 00:24:15.910 staring at this thing. And felt like we were deep underwater. 484 00:24:15.970 --> 00:24:18.690 Then it was just like blast of light. I could 485 00:24:18.779 --> 00:24:21.240 see everything in the car. It was like, and it 486 00:24:21.279 --> 00:24:23.059 wasn't like a dome light came on. I mean, it 487 00:24:23.099 --> 00:24:26.519 was bright. And it was still like surreal. Like I've 488 00:24:26.539 --> 00:24:28.619 been in the middle of a hurricane several times. You know, 489 00:24:28.660 --> 00:24:30.859 the barometric change in pressure, you feel it. Like my 490 00:24:30.900 --> 00:24:33.039 mom said in Unsolved Mysteries, it was like a pressure change. 491 00:24:33.480 --> 00:24:37.049 There was something to that. We felt different. It wasn't 492 00:24:37.089 --> 00:24:40.630 just like we were in this blasé state where we 493 00:24:40.650 --> 00:24:43.269 felt like

we were, you know, like, what's up? What's 494 00:24:43.349 --> 00:24:49.059 wrong with us? But everybody just felt very different. The environments, 495 00:24:49.150 --> 00:24:52.240 the cricket stopped, the birds stopped chirping. We didn't hear 496 00:24:52.259 --> 00:24:55.680 the wind. It was just dead. It's like someone took 497 00:24:55.720 --> 00:24:58.259 a switch and it shut life off, you know, bang. 498 00:24:58.299 --> 00:24:59.599 And it was like, where are we? 499 00:24:59.960 --> 00:25:01.609 Tom stood still or something, right? 500 00:25:02.829 --> 00:25:04.769 Yeah, it was weird. And then all of a sudden, 501 00:25:04.950 --> 00:25:06.890 you know, that flash of light and then everything came 502 00:25:06.910 --> 00:25:09.009 back to normal when the light went off. And it 503 00:25:09.029 --> 00:25:12.490 was like, we felt immediately better. We heard the crickets. 504 00:25:12.549 --> 00:25:15.259 It was like an eruption of, you know, the frogs, Acadians. 505 00:25:15.859 --> 00:25:17.210 And then bang, that was the last thing we remember 506 00:25:17.259 --> 00:25:18.700 from being in the car. So what it was like, 507 00:25:18.720 --> 00:25:23.039 it went into the state, something affected us, this flash 508 00:25:23.099 --> 00:25:27.019 of light. And, and then everything went back to normal 509 00:25:27.059 --> 00:25:28.619 for a second. And then we were no longer in 510 00:25:28.640 --> 00:25:33.650 the vehicle. And when we found ourselves back in the vehicle, 511 00:25:34.049 --> 00:25:37.150 before I lose, you know, lose this thought, my mother 512 00:25:37.210 --> 00:25:41.809 and grandmother were now reversed and the ignition was off. 513 00:25:43.690 --> 00:25:46.250 So a lot of people in the area were like, 514 00:25:46.650 --> 00:25:52.509 you know, it was probably, we probably ran across something 515 00:25:52.529 --> 00:25:55.569 we weren't supposed to see and that there was government, 516 00:25:56.190 --> 00:26:00.640 you know, in the area maybe. And that's, maybe went 517 00:26:00.700 --> 00:26:04.500 to an underground facility. So we don't know where we were. 518 00:26:05.559 --> 00:26:08.299 We don't know, you know, I don't know who took 519 00:26:08.339 --> 00:26:11.660 us out of the vehicle. I never saw that. And 520 00:26:11.680 --> 00:26:13.960 there was government everywhere. We were in the middle of 521 00:26:13.980 --> 00:26:16.029 the space race. We just landed on the moon. We 522 00:26:16.069 --> 00:26:19.349 had just, you know, requested aliens to come visit by 523 00:26:19.369 --> 00:26:22.630 a manufacturing facility down the road from our restaurant. A 524 00:26:22.670 --> 00:26:24.349 lot of people that ate in our restaurant worked there, 525 00:26:25.130 --> 00:26:27.990 you know? So it was like, what just happened? And 526 00:26:28.029 --> 00:26:31.259 so we've got a lot of, you know, memories from 527 00:26:31.279 --> 00:26:32.500 that night you know so. 528 00:26:32.440 --> 00:26:36.759 Yeah um

now you i heard in in a um 529 00:26:37.500 --> 00:26:40.599 in another interview that you you recall maybe some some 530 00:26:40.720 --> 00:26:44.240 memories or something where you feel like you may have 531 00:26:45.349 --> 00:26:49.170 you have a vision or memories of what we would 532 00:26:49.210 --> 00:26:51.609 call aliens or something like that right. 533 00:26:51.650 --> 00:26:53.289 Oh yeah i remember seeing a lot of stuff. 534 00:26:53.069 --> 00:26:55.329 Yeah now was this something that came to you to 535 00:26:55.369 --> 00:26:59.210 you later that memories or dreams begin to unlock or 536 00:26:59.250 --> 00:27:00.910 how did. 537 00:27:00.210 --> 00:27:04.430 We all remember this like immediately oh yeah yeah matter 538 00:27:04.450 --> 00:27:08.150 of fact i drew this what i saw and taped 539 00:27:08.190 --> 00:27:11.990 it on my chalkboard in fourth grade and all these 540 00:27:12.049 --> 00:27:15.490 other kids started drawing what they saw and actually one 541 00:27:15.519 --> 00:27:17.920 of those paint the drawings is actually in the roswell 542 00:27:17.940 --> 00:27:21.440 museum today wow so yeah it's a copy of it 543 00:27:21.579 --> 00:27:26.069 you know like traced out everything But so, yeah, there 544 00:27:26.109 --> 00:27:27.970 was talk on the school bus, a lot of that. 545 00:27:28.250 --> 00:27:30.150 And now here's something else like the Melanie's. I didn't 546 00:27:30.210 --> 00:27:33.089 really know Melanie back in the day, but Melanie used 547 00:27:33.109 --> 00:27:35.210 to eat at her diner. And one of the things 548 00:27:35.230 --> 00:27:38.890 that really happened immediately afterwards was that you could kind 549 00:27:38.950 --> 00:27:42.940 of see this divide in the children. You know, you 550 00:27:43.000 --> 00:27:46.920 had those that, you know, were more local who, you know, didn't, 551 00:27:48.259 --> 00:27:51.440 you know, They weren't the more educated, right? And then 552 00:27:51.460 --> 00:27:53.029 you had a lot of New Yorkers coming into the 553 00:27:53.089 --> 00:27:54.910 area because there was a big racetrack there. It was 554 00:27:54.930 --> 00:27:56.849 the second biggest track to Saratoga. So you had a 555 00:27:56.890 --> 00:28:00.339 lot of New Yorkers, people coming in from Albany, Manhattan, Hartford. 556 00:28:00.940 --> 00:28:03.700 And so you had this big mix of people. And 557 00:28:03.900 --> 00:28:06.470 you could actually see, you know, you had the... The 558 00:28:06.539 --> 00:28:09.720 children from different types of families that were starting to 559 00:28:09.740 --> 00:28:12.180 team together that normally wouldn't have talked because they were 560 00:28:12.200 --> 00:28:15.359 from different backgrounds, but they had experienced the same thing. 561 00:28:15.420 --> 00:28:18.079 So it was actually kind of bringing these people together 562 00:28:18.119 --> 00:28:21.269 that wouldn't have normally been friends, if that makes sense. 563 00:28:21.329 --> 00:28:21.460 Yeah. 564 00:28:21.740 --> 00:28:23.690 Because they happened to be part of what they saw, 565 00:28:24.049 --> 00:28:28.349 and that bonded them. And to take that step further, 566 00:28:28.390 --> 00:28:30.170 those kids are the ones that later on got a 567 00:28:30.210 --> 00:28:34.690 case inducted into state because now they're historians. Now they're lawyers. 568 00:28:34.710 --> 00:28:38.049 They're judges. But back in the day, they wouldn't have 569 00:28:38.089 --> 00:28:41.970 normally been friends. And, and, and so with that said, 570 00:28:42.130 --> 00:28:44.450 my mother used to, you know, we used to, she 571 00:28:44.470 --> 00:28:45.910 used to have this thing where she used to deep fry, 572 00:28:45.930 --> 00:28:51.410 you know, potatoes or French fries in bacon fat. So 573 00:28:51.430 --> 00:28:52.960 it was really good, you know, just deep fried in 574 00:28:52.980 --> 00:28:55.680 bacon fat. And she would give the kids that were 575 00:28:55.720 --> 00:28:58.019 kind of now outcasts because they would talk about this 576 00:28:58.079 --> 00:28:59.720 and they got picked on in school, you know, that 577 00:28:59.740 --> 00:29:01.900 whole thing. So she had a table in the back 578 00:29:01.980 --> 00:29:04.349 and in the jukebox, she'd give them quarters and they 579 00:29:04.369 --> 00:29:06.569 would just sit there and eat these, you know, fries 580 00:29:06.609 --> 00:29:09.279 together until their parents picked them up. And they became 581 00:29:09.720 --> 00:29:11.359 very good friends. And then you had the other people 582 00:29:11.400 --> 00:29:14.059 that didn't see anything, that thought the whole thing was stupid, 583 00:29:14.079 --> 00:29:15.880 and they'd come in and start fights with these kids. 584 00:29:17.420 --> 00:29:21.259 That's how hard it was. And my mother was 29 585 00:29:21.259 --> 00:29:23.839 years old and single because we had moved there from 586 00:29:23.880 --> 00:29:27.109 Long Island. And so that's where our family's from is 587 00:29:27.150 --> 00:29:31.069 New York. And so we were outsiders to begin with. 588 00:29:31.470 --> 00:29:35.650 And then this happened. But we never wavered. We stuck 589 00:29:35.650 --> 00:29:37.779 to our guns. We knew what we saw. And to 590 00:29:37.779 --> 00:29:41.799 answer your question, yeah, I remember. My God, I remember. 591 00:29:42.559 --> 00:29:45.660 And this wasn't just me. You know, it was my grandmother, mother, 592 00:29:45.740 --> 00:29:48.130 brother and I. We all remember a lot of different 593 00:29:48.170 --> 00:29:50.589 parts of this thing. it was like if a bomb 594 00:29:50.630 --> 00:29:52.230 goes off in a mall and you're in Sears and 595 00:29:52.269 --> 00:29:54.349 she's in the food court and you know, everybody kind 596 00:29:54.390 --> 00:29:56.509 of knows what happens. You'll see it from a different perspective. 597 00:29:57.069 --> 00:29:59.410 And that's how we put it together. But I'll tell 598 00:29:59.549 -->

00:30:01.789 you where the first thing that I remember was being 599 00:30:01.809 --> 00:30:06.769 like a large warehouse or like an airplane hangar. It 600 00:30:06.789 --> 00:30:09.250 was empty. I had slid off some type of a 601 00:30:09.309 --> 00:30:12.410 cart and it didn't look all high tech to me. 602 00:30:13.150 --> 00:30:16.839 It looked, it really looked like an airplane hangar. And, 603 00:30:17.430 --> 00:30:19.569 and again, you know, as a, as a, as a 604 00:30:19.589 --> 00:30:21.789 young child or 10 years old, I mean, I, I 605 00:30:21.809 --> 00:30:24.529 had never been in an airplane hangar really for say, 606 00:30:24.549 --> 00:30:28.019 but my mother and father were, you know, my father 607 00:30:28.059 --> 00:30:30.740 later on, they were both pilots. My mother had a small, 608 00:30:30.880 --> 00:30:34.039 you know, she flew a Cessna. So, you know, she's like, yeah, 609 00:30:34.059 --> 00:30:35.779 it reminded me of a, I'm like, yeah, it does. 610 00:30:35.799 --> 00:30:37.359 Cause then I go in an airplane hangar later. I'm like, yeah, 611 00:30:37.380 --> 00:30:40.009 that's what it reminded me of, you know? But there 612 00:30:40.029 --> 00:30:43.130 were these lights that went where the ceiling met the, 613 00:30:43.650 --> 00:30:46.589 the walls. There was like this tube of light, almost 614 00:30:46.630 --> 00:30:48.950 like a single fluorescent light. And then there was a 615 00:30:48.990 --> 00:30:51.589 space and a light and a space and a light. 616 00:30:51.869 --> 00:30:54.309 And these lights were about three feet long. And so 617 00:30:54.329 --> 00:30:56.950 that also later on, when I see a fluorescent light, 618 00:30:56.970 --> 00:30:58.950 I'm like, maybe that's what it was. You know, maybe 619 00:30:59.029 --> 00:31:02.029 I was in a military type of thing or facility 620 00:31:02.049 --> 00:31:04.589 of some kind. So I don't know where I was, 621 00:31:04.650 --> 00:31:06.569 but that didn't look all that high tech to me. 622 00:31:07.109 --> 00:31:09.569 And then I was grabbed really hard on my left 623 00:31:09.710 --> 00:31:13.670 arm and walked out this room. down a hallway. And 624 00:31:13.690 --> 00:31:14.890 when I got to the end of the hallway, it 625 00:31:14.910 --> 00:31:18.049 went left or right. It wasn't like these windy, cool hallways. 626 00:31:18.109 --> 00:31:19.890 I mean, it was a left and it was a 627 00:31:19.930 --> 00:31:23.130 right and they were tall and fairly narrow. Then I 628 00:31:23.170 --> 00:31:25.549 was taken into this room and I sat on this table. 629 00:31:26.170 --> 00:31:28.750 I just, as cliche as that sounds, I was put 630 00:31:28.789 --> 00:31:33.130 on this table and I, this wall in front of 631 00:31:33.170 --> 00:31:35.869 me and Melanie remembers this too, this wall in front 632 00:31:35.890 --> 00:31:39.170 of me bowed kind of like a, like a, like 633 00:31:39.230 --> 00:31:41.289 a half a circle, like a, you know, like a 634 00:31:41.549 --> 00:31:43.549 half a coffee can, if you will, you know, rounded. 635 00:31:43.890 --> 00:31:46.279 And as it went back in each corner, there was 636 00:31:46.319 --> 00:31:50.259 an exit on each side. And so I don't know 637 00:31:50.279 --> 00:31:54.880 what was behind that glass like wall. It was almost like, uh, yeah, 638 00:31:54.920 --> 00:31:59.529 Melanie remembers it like, uh, like glass block back what 639 00:31:59.549 --> 00:32:00.970 they used to use and make these walls out of 640 00:32:00.990 --> 00:32:05.509 glass block. I remember it more like, like a translucent 641 00:32:05.609 --> 00:32:08.019 wall with a grid on it, some type of a 642 00:32:08.099 --> 00:32:13.099 grid across it. The room wasn't that big. There was 643 00:32:13.119 --> 00:32:17.700 an apparatus in the, in the ceiling and there was these, 644 00:32:18.160 --> 00:32:21.099 what looked like a, you know, back in the day 645 00:32:21.200 --> 00:32:23.849 or the head looked like a football to me, you know, 646 00:32:23.869 --> 00:32:26.130 that kind of a shape of a ball. And I 647 00:32:26.150 --> 00:32:28.910 had a thin, Like body, it reminded me of like 648 00:32:28.930 --> 00:32:31.130 an ant today. When I look at a head of 649 00:32:31.190 --> 00:32:32.869 a red ant, a fire ant, that's kind of what 650 00:32:32.890 --> 00:32:34.880 the head looked like because it's kind of translucent orange. 651 00:32:36.670 --> 00:32:42.539 And the legs look like bamboo. And I, you know, 652 00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:45.960 I had other people around me, if you will, that 653 00:32:47.779 --> 00:32:50.339 you know, I, it's a tough thing. It makes sense of, and, 654 00:32:50.900 --> 00:32:53.660 and I remember I ran, I ran out the right 655 00:32:53.740 --> 00:32:56.319 side of this boat in glass into like this hallway, 656 00:32:56.799 --> 00:32:58.380 which was like an empty Walmart. I mean, it was 657 00:32:58.420 --> 00:33:01.170 that big. And so wherever I was was much bigger 658 00:33:01.210 --> 00:33:04.190 than the UFO I saw. Okay. And that's another reason 659 00:33:04.210 --> 00:33:06.130 that I say I was, I don't think I was 660 00:33:06.170 --> 00:33:08.269 on the craft at all. I think I was where 661 00:33:08.289 --> 00:33:11.660 the craft was being held. That's what I think. Yeah. 662 00:33:11.700 --> 00:33:13.000 So that's, that was what I was going to ask 663 00:33:13.019 --> 00:33:15.460 you at first. Like if it was the, can you know, 664 00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:17.819 cause you said you, you saw one that was, about 665 00:33:17.839 --> 00:33:19.819 a hundred yards. So I'm like, well, it's just all 666 00:33:19.859 --> 00:33:22.519 of this inside of the UFO or when you, you don't, 667 00:33:22.539 --> 00:33:25.599 you think, you know, where you were, where was actually 668 00:33:25.619 --> 00:33:26.099 a lot bigger. 669 00:33:28.079 --> 00:33:30.500 I think it was. And when I was younger, you know, 670 00:33:30.559 --> 00:33:32.380 everything seems bigger to you,

right? When you're a kid, 671 00:33:32.740 --> 00:33:33.759 I went back to my old house. 672 00:33:33.819 --> 00:33:35.859 I was like, wow, the house is small. That was 673 00:33:35.880 --> 00:33:36.640 my bedroom. 674 00:33:36.700 --> 00:33:39.480 I thought it was bigger than that. So I try 675 00:33:39.500 --> 00:33:41.240 to keep that in perspective, but at the same time, 676 00:33:41.259 --> 00:33:42.900 I had a mother and a grandmother who saw it too. 677 00:33:43.700 --> 00:33:45.440 And we go back there all the time and we 678 00:33:45.460 --> 00:33:47.329 look at the trees where this thing, where we saw 679 00:33:47.349 --> 00:33:49.329 what it was and we look. And again, by the way, 680 00:33:49.369 --> 00:33:52.809 where that craft was over a swampy area. So when 681 00:33:52.849 --> 00:33:54.730 we go back, we're like, that was all water too. 682 00:33:54.769 --> 00:33:56.789 So all three pieces were over water. We were in 683 00:33:56.809 --> 00:33:59.380 the center of all three of these objects. We all 684 00:33:59.410 --> 00:34:04.609 remember stuff very, very similar. And yet what we remember 685 00:34:04.910 --> 00:34:08.289 was much larger in size, even though the craft was big, 686 00:34:08.849 --> 00:34:11.550 it wasn't that big. And so if you look at 687 00:34:11.590 --> 00:34:14.670 that or take into consideration the size of the room 688 00:34:14.710 --> 00:34:16.639 that I was first in, which looked like an airplane hangar, 689 00:34:17.650 --> 00:34:19.730 and then the hallways. And then I went through that 690 00:34:20.070 --> 00:34:23.489 room onto another, uh, section. And that was like a 691 00:34:23.570 --> 00:34:27.190 white floor. And it was a huge, huge, like circle, 692 00:34:27.550 --> 00:34:30.570 like a big empty Walmart, but a circle. I mean, 693 00:34:30.590 --> 00:34:33.230 like a super wall. It was, I felt so small 694 00:34:33.250 --> 00:34:35.269 when I was in there. Right. And there were markings 695 00:34:35.309 --> 00:34:38.210 on the floor. And what was interesting about this is 696 00:34:38.289 --> 00:34:44.639 it had three, uh, or hallways that intersected this thing, 697 00:34:44.659 --> 00:34:46.420 kind of like if you took a circle, right? You 698 00:34:46.440 --> 00:34:48.780 draw a circle and then you put a Y over it. 699 00:34:50.079 --> 00:34:53.090 So I came out at one part of this Y 700 00:34:54.250 --> 00:34:56.730 and the top, okay, so when I came out into 701 00:34:56.769 --> 00:35:01.900 this room or area, to my right was a hallway about, 702 00:35:02.769 --> 00:35:05.349 Like a, like a driveway, about as wide as a driveway. 703 00:35:05.929 --> 00:35:08.289 And then right across from me, there was another one 704 00:35:08.309 --> 00:35:11.500 like that, that looked about the same size, but the 705 00:35:11.619 --> 00:35:15.159 one to my left was like twice the size of that, 706 00:35:15.179 --> 00:35:19.579 like a four lane, you know, interstate. So I thought 707 00:35:19.599 --> 00:35:21.219 to myself, I always try to make sense of what 708 00:35:21.239 --> 00:35:23.440 I'm seeing. So let's say you had a lot of 709 00:35:23.519 --> 00:35:25.760 people there, a lot of activity, a lot of movement, 710 00:35:26.360 --> 00:35:28.780 and you had a lot of people coming into the area. 711 00:35:29.320 --> 00:35:31.860 So it's a circle. So it would allow people to 712 00:35:31.880 --> 00:35:34.639 get around each other. But if the main area was 713 00:35:34.699 --> 00:35:36.880 off to the left and people were coming through and 714 00:35:36.900 --> 00:35:38.139 had to go to the right or left, that would 715 00:35:38.159 --> 00:35:40.550 make sense as to why one hallway was fatter than 716 00:35:40.570 --> 00:35:44.590 the other two. Kind of to control traffic, you know, 717 00:35:44.610 --> 00:35:46.849 where they were going. I have no idea, you know, 718 00:35:48.039 --> 00:35:49.920 I try to, I bat my head, like, what was 719 00:35:49.960 --> 00:35:52.519 that about? And I'll never forget seeing that. I saw 720 00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:54.760 all these different things and I have all these thoughts 721 00:35:54.800 --> 00:35:57.579 and memories from that time. But there are certain things 722 00:35:57.639 --> 00:36:00.639 I'm like, what could that have been for? You know, 723 00:36:00.719 --> 00:36:03.639 because the floor did not seem like a, and I 724 00:36:03.719 --> 00:36:05.539 could have been wrong. I mean, I was very young, 725 00:36:06.039 --> 00:36:09.639 but it looked white. So you're not going to drive 726 00:36:10.050 --> 00:36:13.909 trucks or vehicles over it, right? I mean, it, you know, 727 00:36:13.929 --> 00:36:18.269 it's not like a concrete floor or something. And so 728 00:36:18.409 --> 00:36:20.719 I used to think, well, maybe it was to control 729 00:36:20.739 --> 00:36:23.219 the floor traffic for people. And so I remember that 730 00:36:23.239 --> 00:36:25.500 and I was grabbed again and I was put back 731 00:36:25.619 --> 00:36:28.579 on this same area or same thing I was sitting on. 732 00:36:29.409 --> 00:36:32.789 And the thing rose up, the thing on top closed 733 00:36:32.849 --> 00:36:35.820 and there was this cage-like apparatus that came over me. 734 00:36:35.840 --> 00:36:38.760 It was in two parts. And the second one came 735 00:36:38.820 --> 00:36:41.670 over me and over that first apparatus, which I thought 736 00:36:41.829 --> 00:36:43.809 kind of kept me in place. And then there were 737 00:36:43.829 --> 00:36:45.909 these holes on the side that lined up and they 738 00:36:46.130 --> 00:36:49.510 put their hands through it. And I had like these raisins, 739 00:36:49.710 --> 00:36:52.159 it was raisin packs put on my body and they 740 00:36:52.219 --> 00:36:57.300 looked like huge raisins. And I remember some taps to 741 00:36:57.320 --> 00:36:59.900 the head. And then I was back in what I 742 00:37:01.480 --> 00:37:05.460 I've referenced as looking like an airplane hangar. And then 743

00:37:06.619 --> 00:37:10.269 I came to, my grandmother had already driven the car 744 00:37:10.969 --> 00:37:14.730 back to town for help to Silk Store, which is 745 00:37:14.769 --> 00:37:20.750 still there to this day. And so when she, she 746 00:37:20.789 --> 00:37:23.210 was the first one to come to in the vehicle 747 00:37:23.409 --> 00:37:25.210 and it was off. She remembers she had to start 748 00:37:25.250 --> 00:37:29.409 the car. my mother again was in the opposite seat. 749 00:37:29.429 --> 00:37:31.190 She was, my mother was now in a passenger seat. 750 00:37:31.250 --> 00:37:34.389 My brother's head was on my leg and she drove 751 00:37:34.409 --> 00:37:35.949 down this dirt road and it was really hard for 752 00:37:35.969 --> 00:37:37.309 her because she didn't drive much. You know, a lot 753 00:37:37.349 --> 00:37:39.659 of people back in the day didn't really drive and 754 00:37:39.980 --> 00:37:41.840 she had a little Falcon, you know, that she used 755 00:37:41.860 --> 00:37:43.340 to drive once in a while, but she didn't really drive. 756 00:37:44.079 --> 00:37:46.480 So for her to take the station wagon and try 757 00:37:46.519 --> 00:37:48.159 to turn it around and get back to town in 758 00:37:48.179 --> 00:37:50.139 the condition she was, it was quite a feat for her. 759 00:37:50.199 --> 00:37:54.070 She was, she was shaken later, you know, uh, Anyway, so, 760 00:37:54.809 --> 00:38:00.170 and another way to describe just how, you know, off 761 00:38:00.230 --> 00:38:04.130 she was or where our heads were at, she actually 762 00:38:04.150 --> 00:38:06.280 drove right by the entrance the first time to go 763 00:38:06.320 --> 00:38:08.960 for help. I mean, she was just kind of, and 764 00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:11.900 then she had turned around and come back. And so 765 00:38:11.960 --> 00:38:14.739 when she came back in and got into the little 766 00:38:14.760 --> 00:38:18.000 green area where Silks was still open, because again, you know, 767 00:38:18.199 --> 00:38:19.969 everything was pretty much staying open until 10 or 11. 768 00:38:19.969 --> 00:38:22.829 When she got out of the car, the door slammed. 769 00:38:23.650 --> 00:38:26.710 And my family believes that that's what jarred me to 770 00:38:26.730 --> 00:38:30.230 wake up because when I, when I first saw my grandmother, 771 00:38:30.289 --> 00:38:31.710 she was in front of the car. She was like, 772 00:38:32.250 --> 00:38:33.750 you know, 10 or 15 feet in front of the car, 773 00:38:33.769 --> 00:38:36.789 but my mom wasn't responding yet. My brother wasn't responding. 774 00:38:37.289 --> 00:38:39.309 And so I was like, Nana, Nana, you know, apparently 775 00:38:39.329 --> 00:38:41.989 I was, you know, calling her name and I got 776 00:38:42.090 --> 00:38:45.050 out and followed her into the store. And she, once 777 00:38:45.070 --> 00:38:46.639 she walked by the clerk, I mean, she went for 778 00:38:46.679 --> 00:38:49.280 help and then walked right by the clerk.

and walked 779 00:38:49.340 --> 00:38:51.940 straight to the back of the store and started grabbing 780 00:38:51.980 --> 00:38:55.239 like this baby carriage and start holding onto it and 781 00:38:55.280 --> 00:38:57.619 was rocking it back and forth and breaking down and 782 00:38:57.639 --> 00:39:00.320 kind of crying. And, and I grabbed her hand and like, 783 00:39:00.400 --> 00:39:01.599 you know, cause I didn't know what to do. And 784 00:39:01.619 --> 00:39:03.679 I was, and there are things in the way, I mean, 785 00:39:03.719 --> 00:39:05.320 we were not in a right mind. I mean, I 786 00:39:05.340 --> 00:39:07.519 was trying to grab her hand and, and there were 787 00:39:07.539 --> 00:39:10.480 things in the way I'm trying to pull her, you know? Um, 788 00:39:11.360 --> 00:39:15.150 so anyway, uh, The clerk came out and asked us, 789 00:39:16.070 --> 00:39:17.550 I guess, if we needed help or whatever, but the 790 00:39:17.570 --> 00:39:20.059 paramedics never came, the police never came. But one of 791 00:39:20.099 --> 00:39:22.679 the things we didn't realize was that there were already 792 00:39:22.739 --> 00:39:26.150 calls to the police department about the crafts in the area, 793 00:39:26.190 --> 00:39:29.969 but we didn't know because we weren't thinking right. And so, again, 794 00:39:30.300 --> 00:39:34.099 you know, we believe we were drugged because the way 795 00:39:34.139 --> 00:39:35.679 we came out of this, we didn't all come out 796 00:39:35.719 --> 00:39:39.159 of it at the same time. My, my brother was the, 797 00:39:39.280 --> 00:39:41.789 my youngest, you know, my brother was the youngest and 798 00:39:41.809 --> 00:39:44.309 he was the last one to come to. My grandmother 799 00:39:44.349 --> 00:39:46.389 was obviously the oldest, but she wasn't the biggest. My 800 00:39:46.409 --> 00:39:48.900 mother was bigger than my grandmother and, So my grandmother's 801 00:39:48.940 --> 00:39:51.000 the first to come out of it. I was second, 802 00:39:51.099 --> 00:39:54.469 my mother, then my, my brother, my younger brother, Matthew. And, 803 00:39:55.269 --> 00:39:58.550 and so if my grandmother at the time had just say, 804 00:39:58.570 --> 00:40:00.070 you know, we don't know what's going on, you know, 805 00:40:00.090 --> 00:40:01.880 can you help us? You know, the police would have 806 00:40:01.889 --> 00:40:03.219 came and we could have showed them right where the 807 00:40:03.239 --> 00:40:05.400 UFO was that night. Right. If it was still there 808 00:40:06.139 --> 00:40:07.940 because we, you know, it wasn't far from Silks. It 809 00:40:07.960 --> 00:40:10.199 was only like a mile. Um, but they were already 810 00:40:10.219 --> 00:40:12.519 out looking for it and we had no idea. And 811 00:40:12.559 --> 00:40:14.579 so the next day we went home and we would 812 00:40:14.599 --> 00:40:16.039 just go home. And the next day we opened up 813 00:40:16.079 --> 00:40:20.320 the restaurant and there were these locals on WSBS,

um, 814 00:40:20.739 --> 00:40:24.139 you know, describing what they saw and, and we felt 815 00:40:24.239 --> 00:40:27.619 vindicated in some way because my God, you know, yeah, yeah, that's, 816 00:40:28.519 --> 00:40:33.090 that's what happened. And, uh, and because, you know, there, 817 00:40:33.139 --> 00:40:35.730 there were some people that obviously believed you, some that didn't, 818 00:40:35.750 --> 00:40:39.000 you know how it is, but, um, you know, with, uh, 819 00:40:40.929 --> 00:40:42.989 This was not the only sighting in the area. I 820 00:40:43.230 --> 00:40:44.769 don't know if you know that either. There were sightings 821 00:40:44.809 --> 00:40:47.469 in 66. There were sightings in 67. There were crop 822 00:40:47.530 --> 00:40:50.969 circles found there in 2012, 2013. There's a lot of 823 00:40:51.030 --> 00:40:54.340 activity in the area. So 69 was not the only 824 00:40:54.469 --> 00:40:57.340 case or the only incident that was seen in town. 825 00:40:58.219 --> 00:41:00.480 It was the one that got the most attention because 826 00:41:00.500 --> 00:41:03.829 it was a holiday. And so many people saw it 827 00:41:03.889 --> 00:41:05.989 because there was a beautiful night and they were outside. 828 00:41:06.219 --> 00:41:06.320 Yeah. 829 00:41:06.360 --> 00:41:08.820 And September in New England is usually around 50 or 830 00:41:08.820 --> 00:41:11.559 60 degrees. You know, it's cold. And it was about 831 00:41:11.559 --> 00:41:14.639 80 degrees that night. Actually, the daytime, it hit 90. 832 00:41:14.639 --> 00:41:17.460 So it was a warm day, a warm night. 833 00:41:18.880 --> 00:41:19.159 Yeah. 834 00:41:19.320 --> 00:41:20.199 We were lucky that way. 835 00:41:22.059 --> 00:41:24.800 So one of the things to note, while I'm picking 836 00:41:24.840 --> 00:41:28.969 up what you're saying, is that you recall seeing what 837 00:41:29.010 --> 00:41:31.550 we would call aliens or ETs or some type of, 838 00:41:32.090 --> 00:41:35.869 strange beings whatever they were you saw them and you 839 00:41:35.909 --> 00:41:40.460 saw humans or or or you saw humans like with 840 00:41:40.500 --> 00:41:42.639 them so they. 841 00:41:42.559 --> 00:41:47.010 Were together as far as you know who the person 842 00:41:47.030 --> 00:41:51.429 that grabbed me um you know again they look look 843 00:41:51.469 --> 00:41:56.300 bald you know Um, short, shorter, but they looked, I 844 00:41:56.320 --> 00:41:58.019 would say that if I had to brand it or 845 00:41:58.079 --> 00:42:00.559 label it, I'd say it was like a hybrid person. 846 00:42:00.960 --> 00:42:03.300 I think it was, you know, definitely not your average 847 00:42:03.380 --> 00:42:05.380 everyday guy. Didn't have a beard and a mustache. You 848 00:42:05.420 --> 00:42:08.039 know what I mean? It was like no hair, um, 849 00:42:08.599 --> 00:42:14.360 you know, very clean, uh, clinical. And then this ant 850 00:42:14.400 --> 00:42:17.300 thing that I saw, which I call it an ant because,

again, 851 00:42:17.360 --> 00:42:20.440 it was a long time ago, but I referenced things. 852 00:42:20.480 --> 00:42:25.010 Like you've had experiences and you see something and all 853 00:42:25.030 --> 00:42:26.989 of a sudden you get a chill or a feel because, wow, 854 00:42:27.070 --> 00:42:30.489 it resonates with you because it's emotional memory. You see it, 855 00:42:30.530 --> 00:42:33.570 you feel it, and it's part of you now. And 856 00:42:33.670 --> 00:42:35.630 so when I see a little ant, I still get 857 00:42:35.650 --> 00:42:38.150 that today. It's a weird thing because that's what it 858 00:42:38.190 --> 00:42:39.969 reminded me of, but it was on its back two legs. 859 00:42:40.900 --> 00:42:43.460 And the legs look like bamboo. I lived in Florida 860 00:42:43.480 --> 00:42:46.489 for most of my life. And it had the bamboo 861 00:42:46.510 --> 00:42:48.090 that when you see bamboo, it's got the little rings 862 00:42:48.130 --> 00:42:52.090 around it. Well, those rings were like a wine color. So, 863 00:42:52.269 --> 00:42:53.849 and I don't know if it was alive. I don't 864 00:42:53.889 --> 00:42:55.590 know if it was uncanny Valley. I don't know if 865 00:42:55.610 --> 00:42:58.210 it was a robotic. I have no idea, but I 866 00:42:58.289 --> 00:43:01.630 can tell you that it, it was looking at a wall. 867 00:43:01.690 --> 00:43:03.610 It was like two feet away from a wall, looking 868 00:43:03.630 --> 00:43:05.469 at something in the wall. Like there was something recessed 869 00:43:05.510 --> 00:43:08.500 in this wall that it was doing something. And there 870 00:43:08.539 --> 00:43:10.949 were two of them, not one. And they were actually 871 00:43:11.010 --> 00:43:14.260 communicating with each other in some way. So again, was it, 872 00:43:15.030 --> 00:43:17.889 you know, was it alive? It certainly looked to be, 873 00:43:18.530 --> 00:43:20.590 but then again, I don't know. So this is why 874 00:43:20.650 --> 00:43:22.710 I don't label things because I don't want to take 875 00:43:22.750 --> 00:43:25.449 that step. I don't want to reach for something and 876 00:43:25.489 --> 00:43:28.639 be wrong, you know? So I will say that my 877 00:43:28.820 --> 00:43:32.920 gut feeling said it was alive. What I encountered as 878 00:43:32.960 --> 00:43:37.380 far as what appeared to be like a harsh, more 879 00:43:37.420 --> 00:43:42.269 military type of building or you know uh i don't 880 00:43:42.309 --> 00:43:45.070 know where i was um yeah but it felt military 881 00:43:45.130 --> 00:43:48.269 it felt cold it felt orchestrated have. 882 00:43:48.150 --> 00:43:52.579 You heard of um the my lab abductions that that 883 00:43:52.659 --> 00:43:56.699 that whole phenomena my lab a. 884 00:43:56.699 --> 00:44:00.579 Little bit and i think that's closer to a typical 885 00:44:00.739 --> 00:44:05.429 you know abduction that we experience because i i You know, 886 00:44:06.650 --> 00:44:08.449 no matter how you slice it, we were taken. We 887 00:44:08.489 --> 00:44:11.199 were abducted. Right. But when you say abducted, all you were, 888 00:44:11.219 --> 00:44:13.159 you know, all of a sudden space aliens. 889 00:44:13.280 --> 00:44:17.239 Well, there were people and there were people in military 890 00:44:17.280 --> 00:44:20.760 garb seen as well. So that's a whole nother wrench 891 00:44:20.940 --> 00:44:23.840 in this story. And I do kind of hear you 892 00:44:23.900 --> 00:44:27.619 insinuating a little bit about the military, this military, that 893 00:44:27.699 --> 00:44:30.199 right of that. There's some type of involvement or at 894 00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:33.889 least they knew. what was going on or they're hiding, 895 00:44:34.010 --> 00:44:36.619 whether it's their technology or they're working with these other 896 00:44:36.679 --> 00:44:39.039 beings or something along those lines. Right. 897 00:44:40.360 --> 00:44:43.719 Yeah. I, I, if you look at the, the height 898 00:44:44.019 --> 00:44:47.260 of where great Barrett and Sheffield is, it's like something 899 00:44:47.280 --> 00:44:51.500 like 15, 1800 feet above sea level. There's NORAD towers there. 900 00:44:52.539 --> 00:44:55.400 You know, the space race was big there. So you 901 00:44:55.420 --> 00:44:58.039 have a high altitude, no fly zones, minimum missile sites, 902 00:44:58.139 --> 00:45:00.260 Nike missile sites. I mean, there's a lot going on 903 00:45:00.300 --> 00:45:03.349 in the Berkshire mountains. And I, it was a lot 904 00:45:03.429 --> 00:45:06.920 easier also for people to say, you know, to, to 905 00:45:07.599 --> 00:45:10.159 back in the day when they saw this to say, okay, well, 906 00:45:10.639 --> 00:45:12.780 it was probably military. There was something about, you know, 907 00:45:13.360 --> 00:45:17.010 because it was, it was easier for them to, to accept. 908 00:45:17.289 --> 00:45:17.449 Yeah. 909 00:45:18.010 --> 00:45:20.150 And that played a part too in this whole thing, 910 00:45:20.389 --> 00:45:26.309 you know, you know, you know, lasting the test, the 911 00:45:26.710 --> 00:45:29.590 test of time. Right. So, because it was so, you know, 912 00:45:30.800 --> 00:45:33.210 it was like, It's got to be military. It's got 913 00:45:33.230 --> 00:45:35.090 to be something. But at the same time, what we 914 00:45:35.190 --> 00:45:38.690 saw is nothing that's even around today. So those spheres 915 00:45:38.730 --> 00:45:41.510 that we saw, I've never seen anything like that again. 916 00:45:42.280 --> 00:45:48.820 And this hovering freaking thing that was like a football field. Now, 917 00:45:48.860 --> 00:45:51.280 I'll tell you something, what this looked like, too. It 918 00:45:51.619 --> 00:45:54.519 didn't come to a point. The middle of it was 919 00:45:54.659 --> 00:45:58.750 fatter than the top and bottom. I actually went on Fox, 920 00:45:58.769 --> 00:46:01.190 and I was trying to discuss this during Fox primetime. 921 00:46:02.059 --> 00:46:03.739 to get an idea of what this

thing looked like, 922 00:46:04.840 --> 00:46:08.670 it looked, the middle of it looked like a snake skin. 923 00:46:09.530 --> 00:46:13.469 And as crazy as that sounds, it had lines going 924 00:46:13.530 --> 00:46:16.429 through it. And so it almost had that look of 925 00:46:16.469 --> 00:46:19.809 being alive because it did emit a light too. It 926 00:46:19.829 --> 00:46:22.090 looked like orangey and yellow and reddish. And then it 927 00:46:22.150 --> 00:46:24.329 had these patterns to it. You know, it kind of 928 00:46:24.349 --> 00:46:26.630 looked like a snake skin. And then the top of 929 00:46:26.690 --> 00:46:30.329 it and the bottom of it, were the middle of 930 00:46:30.389 --> 00:46:32.389 it made up the larger part of it. And then 931 00:46:32.409 --> 00:46:35.110 the top and bottom were like this. So the majority 932 00:46:35.150 --> 00:46:38.269 of this craft, if you will, or sphere, the sphere 933 00:46:38.309 --> 00:46:40.889 was round too, but the middle of it seemed to 934 00:46:40.929 --> 00:46:43.510 be a round piece on top of what would look 935 00:46:43.530 --> 00:46:47.550 like a craft. So the middle of it made up 936 00:46:47.550 --> 00:46:49.929 70% of the size of this thing and just had 937 00:46:49.949 --> 00:46:51.530 a cap on top and a cap on the bottom. 938 00:46:52.059 --> 00:46:57.079 And they all had these like, lines like a turtle 939 00:46:57.139 --> 00:47:00.119 shell or you know whatever they didn't all lines didn't 940 00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:02.980 all meet you know it was like individual and then 941 00:47:03.039 --> 00:47:05.960 those colors would change the color on their top right 942 00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:07.820 would go from like a yellow to a bright red 943 00:47:08.300 --> 00:47:10.860 and then left didn't have any light so you're trying 944 00:47:10.880 --> 00:47:12.380 to look at this thing but there was a little 945 00:47:12.420 --> 00:47:13.860 bit of a light on the bottom too so you 946 00:47:13.880 --> 00:47:16.340 can make out the size of this thing and you're 947 00:47:16.400 --> 00:47:18.739 really focused on it because you're trying to see what 948 00:47:18.780 --> 00:47:21.070 it is you're like what is that and so we 949 00:47:21.090 --> 00:47:23.070 were like fixated on it because it was dark but 950 00:47:23.110 --> 00:47:26.440 it wasn't so dark you couldn't see it And it 951 00:47:26.480 --> 00:47:31.500 was just remarkable. And so this was nothing like what 952 00:47:31.780 --> 00:47:35.849 other people describe. A lot of people will say, oh, 953 00:47:35.869 --> 00:47:37.530 you saw a mantis, or you saw this, or you 954 00:47:37.550 --> 00:47:40.090 saw that. I don't label it because I don't know 955 00:47:40.130 --> 00:47:42.489 what it was. But I can tell you it was 956 00:47:42.570 --> 00:47:44.590 not in this world. And it was like nothing I've 957 00:47:44.630 --> 00:47:48.130 ever seen before. And it certainly was intelligent. And this 958 00:47:48.250 --> 00:47:52.010 craft looked very different than what people described. And it 959 00:47:52.150 --> 00:47:56.329 wasn't alone. And ancient aliens did a segment on it, 960 00:47:56.679 --> 00:48:00.920 and they showed that sphere coming out to our car, 961 00:48:01.099 --> 00:48:04.280 and that's what engulfed our car, which is probably true 962 00:48:05.219 --> 00:48:07.119 because the only thing that had a white light was 963 00:48:07.210 --> 00:48:10.969 a sphere we first saw. So if it had gone 964 00:48:11.969 --> 00:48:13.610 past the tree line because there was a lot of 965 00:48:13.630 --> 00:48:15.369 trees there, on the other side of the tree line, 966 00:48:15.909 --> 00:48:17.750 and then bang, hit our car again, it would have 967 00:48:17.769 --> 00:48:21.619 lit up. So that's probably what happened. You know, that 968 00:48:21.969 --> 00:48:24.289 whatever it was. Now, here's the other thing to think about. 969 00:48:24.650 --> 00:48:26.949 You've got to do, you can see this. So this 970 00:48:27.010 --> 00:48:29.809 is the craft up here. Then you had the white 971 00:48:30.369 --> 00:48:33.690 sphere over here. And then you had the orange over here. Well, 972 00:48:34.050 --> 00:48:37.190 so you got the orange here. The white was over here. 973 00:48:37.630 --> 00:48:41.489 So when the white went up towards the craft, now 974 00:48:41.590 --> 00:48:45.630 all three are in line with each other. All three 975 00:48:45.650 --> 00:48:47.550 would have been in line with each other. It's that way, actually. 976 00:48:48.929 --> 00:48:53.989 And they were down low. So it was low. It's interesting. So, um, man, 977 00:48:54.190 --> 00:48:57.710 now have you seen any videos? Have you seen any, um, 978 00:48:57.869 --> 00:49:01.420 movies that, that would say, Hey, it was like that. 979 00:49:01.480 --> 00:49:03.860 Have you seen any, cause there's tons of videos out 980 00:49:03.900 --> 00:49:06.719 there just on YouTube, whether they're fake or the real ones. Like, 981 00:49:07.159 --> 00:49:10.079 have you seen some, like it looked that video is 982 00:49:10.139 --> 00:49:12.530 what it looked like the most. Have you seen any, 983 00:49:12.639 --> 00:49:13.090 any of those? 984 00:49:13.809 --> 00:49:16.239 You've never seen that, that, uh, I guess it was 985 00:49:16.260 --> 00:49:19.269 in Europe or something where that white ball just shoots 986 00:49:19.349 --> 00:49:20.619 right out of the building. and goes up in the 987 00:49:20.659 --> 00:49:23.880 sky it's like a perfectly right cylinder. 988 00:49:24.960 --> 00:49:27.050 I believe so yeah well i know there was one 989 00:49:27.130 --> 00:49:29.030 in uh was it at nighttime or during the day 990 00:49:29.050 --> 00:49:32.849 at nighttime yeah i know they had one in uh 991 00:49:32.869 --> 00:49:35.269 jerusalem too there was a jerusalem one. 992 00:49:35.349 --> 00:49:39.639 Okay Picture that thing, perfectly white ball and just moves 993 00:49:39.699 --> 00:49:41.880 on its own like that. That

would be like the 994 00:49:41.920 --> 00:49:44.579 sphere we saw, you know, because it did. It just 995 00:49:45.480 --> 00:49:49.199 moved up and just went like that. No soft thing, 996 00:49:49.239 --> 00:49:53.269 just boom, boom, right? And the orange sphere was, you know, 997 00:49:53.309 --> 00:49:55.250 I see a lot of those online too, those little 998 00:49:55.349 --> 00:49:59.590 orange lights or glowing balls. And that's pretty amazing. typically 999 00:49:59.789 --> 00:50:02.590 that's typically seen it's not something that's very unique but 1000 00:50:02.630 --> 00:50:05.969 the craft itself no i've never seen anything that looked 1001 00:50:06.010 --> 00:50:08.309 like what we saw no or that. 1002 00:50:08.530 --> 00:50:10.030 Could let me let me just let me throw this 1003 00:50:10.070 --> 00:50:14.239 out there could the craft have been and it's just 1004 00:50:14.559 --> 00:50:16.280 going far out but could it have been. 1005 00:50:16.159 --> 00:50:21.539 Alive it certainly looked like it that's why i mentioned 1006 00:50:21.559 --> 00:50:26.110 turtle shell that's why i mentioned the skin um you 1007 00:50:26.130 --> 00:50:28.800 know like i said it didn't actually have you know, 1008 00:50:28.900 --> 00:50:33.059 like floodlights, you know, windows, landing gear. Now it looked 1009 00:50:33.079 --> 00:50:34.010 like a turtle shell. 1010 00:50:34.119 --> 00:50:36.210 It could have, it could have been some kind of 1011 00:50:36.230 --> 00:50:43.019 entity in a sense. I, I did it. 1012 00:50:43.099 --> 00:50:46.380 I think it was probably a craft because that's the 1013 00:50:46.420 --> 00:50:48.119 feeling I get. Like you can hit it with a rock. 1014 00:50:48.320 --> 00:50:49.559 It looked like it was that solid. 1015 00:50:50.019 --> 00:50:50.500 Okay. 1016 00:50:50.880 --> 00:50:52.440 And so did the sphere. That's why I say it 1017 00:50:52.480 --> 00:50:54.179 wasn't like an orb. It was like a cue ball. 1018 00:50:54.199 --> 00:50:55.980 Like if you threw a rock at it, you would 1019 00:50:56.000 --> 00:50:57.860 have thought it would have thunk, you know? 1020 00:50:58.260 --> 00:50:58.440 Yeah. 1021 00:50:59.840 --> 00:51:01.440 And that's why I say too, that, you know, what 1022 00:51:01.480 --> 00:51:03.099 we experienced was not paranormal. 1023 00:51:03.900 --> 00:51:04.139 Yes. 1024 00:51:04.519 --> 00:51:08.409 You know, because these were, you know, these. 1025 00:51:08.300 --> 00:51:09.969 Were physical vessels. 1026 00:51:10.300 --> 00:51:12.800 Yeah. Yeah. 1027 00:51:12.960 --> 00:51:16.739 So I guess it's, you know, we need to note 1028 00:51:16.840 --> 00:51:23.309 that you mentioned earlier that you passed some polygraph tests 1029 00:51:23.389 --> 00:51:26.769 and stuff that you did as well. And if you 1030 00:51:26.789 --> 00:51:29.630 could talk a little bit about that. But also recently 1031 00:51:30.550 --> 00:51:33.639 you went on a podcast interview where they had some 1032 00:51:33.780 --> 00:51:37.579

experts who were experts in body language tests. So they're 1033 00:51:37.599 --> 00:51:40.960 all taking turns asking you questions. I watched the majority 1034 00:51:41.000 --> 00:51:43.420 of that. I don't think I finished it. What did 1035 00:51:43.480 --> 00:51:49.480 that end with? What was their comments on your body 1036 00:51:49.500 --> 00:51:51.380 language as you were telling your story? 1037 00:51:52.539 --> 00:51:55.739 It was like 95% truthful. There was a little bit 1038 00:51:55.780 --> 00:52:00.469 of leeway there because I was a child. And it 1039 00:52:00.530 --> 00:52:01.349 might be that not that. 1040 00:52:03.230 --> 00:52:06.510 Something wasn't accurate, but it was accurate for a child, 1041 00:52:06.750 --> 00:52:09.719 you know, because it's gone back a long time. But yeah, 1042 00:52:10.019 --> 00:52:12.900 and matter of fact, two of them, when I spoke 1043 00:52:12.920 --> 00:52:16.460 at the Roswell Museum, they Skyped in and addressed the 1044 00:52:16.480 --> 00:52:18.969 Roswell Museum on our family's behalf. So that was kind 1045 00:52:18.989 --> 00:52:22.630 of cool. Greg and Scott actually. Yeah. It was like, 1046 00:52:22.670 --> 00:52:24.949 don't do it. Are you stupid? I'm like, I'm telling 1047 00:52:24.969 --> 00:52:28.519 the truth, right? You know what I mean? They're going 1048 00:52:28.539 --> 00:52:30.559 to know, right? I mean, you know, they're going. 1049 00:52:30.500 --> 00:52:33.039 To tell the truth. We've watched his body language and 1050 00:52:33.059 --> 00:52:37.079 we've debunked the story because he blinked too many times. 1051 00:52:38.429 --> 00:52:41.969 Yeah. Yeah. He looked away or. 1052 00:52:41.949 --> 00:52:45.250 Well, let me ask you this. So this is something 1053 00:52:45.269 --> 00:52:48.570 that your family talked about when it happened. Um, From 1054 00:52:48.670 --> 00:52:52.860 my stories, my situations, there's been instances where other people 1055 00:52:52.889 --> 00:52:57.539 were around. I have, I've had some experiences with my cousin. 1056 00:52:58.500 --> 00:53:01.699 Interesting experiences that I'm still trying to get to the 1057 00:53:01.739 --> 00:53:04.619 bottom of. He hasn't, I don't think he's told a soul. 1058 00:53:04.639 --> 00:53:08.780 I mean, we have multiple together when it's me and him. Like, 1059 00:53:09.119 --> 00:53:15.380 almost missing time, entities, like, coming out of thin air 1060 00:53:15.530 --> 00:53:18.440 that appear to us, like, crazy stuff that you're like, 1061 00:53:18.500 --> 00:53:20.880 this is going in the book. And guess what? I 1062 00:53:20.920 --> 00:53:22.619 put it in the book. I talk about it on 1063 00:53:22.639 --> 00:53:25.190 the podcast. I put it in my music. I'm telling 1064 00:53:25.250 --> 00:53:28.570 everyone I want to get to the bottom with your 1065 00:53:28.610 --> 00:53:31.949 case too. You and a lot of the other kids 1066 00:53:31.989 --> 00:53:36.769 talked about it, but there were other families who they 1067 00:53:36.869 --> 00:53:40.780 all experienced the same thing, but none of them mentioned it. 1068 00:53:41.480 --> 00:53:44.239 And so nobody knew that anyone knew about it because 1069 00:53:44.260 --> 00:53:46.840 they all kept it to themselves. Like, what is that? 1070 00:53:46.860 --> 00:53:49.280 That's not actually true. Okay. 1071 00:53:49.639 --> 00:53:49.739 Okay. 1072 00:53:50.059 --> 00:53:53.369 So they did say that in the Berkshire's UFO and 1073 00:53:53.409 --> 00:53:54.130 Unsolved Mysteries. 1074 00:53:54.809 --> 00:53:55.769 But you know those people. 1075 00:53:57.730 --> 00:54:00.550 Well, they were in our restaurant. So the reason, you know, 1076 00:54:00.570 --> 00:54:01.690 that lady goes, oh, we never. 1077 00:54:01.570 --> 00:54:05.190 Talked about it. Yeah. Until he was, you know, 50 1078 00:54:05.190 --> 00:54:05.630 years old. 1079 00:54:05.730 --> 00:54:07.949 Oh, Tom Warner? Yeah. Tom Warner. 1080 00:54:08.280 --> 00:54:09.519 Don't, yeah. 1081 00:54:10.079 --> 00:54:12.849 Yeah. I was the one who got them on the show. 1082 00:54:12.909 --> 00:54:13.789 Big mistake. 1083 00:54:14.989 --> 00:54:15.309 Anyway. 1084 00:54:15.949 --> 00:54:19.150 So, uh, I, I'll tell you that about that story 1085 00:54:19.190 --> 00:54:23.719 off the air. Yeah. Um, but, uh, Jan green, she 1086 00:54:23.760 --> 00:54:25.460 used to own the Rexall, the one that says, you know, 1087 00:54:25.480 --> 00:54:27.920 she was in the Jan green was wearing green, you know, 1088 00:54:28.260 --> 00:54:31.199 and we never talked about it. Okay. So they didn't 1089 00:54:31.260 --> 00:54:35.000 talk about it outside the diner because a lot of 1090 00:54:35.039 --> 00:54:37.699 people worked for these, you know, with the space race. 1091 00:54:37.719 --> 00:54:41.610 That's where everybody, anybody, you either were a farmer. Or 1092 00:54:41.650 --> 00:54:44.550 you worked, you know, you know, for one of these 1093 00:54:44.630 --> 00:54:49.469 manufacturing facilities. And and so people couldn't talk about it 1094 00:54:49.929 --> 00:54:52.969 because of fear that they would lose their job because 1095 00:54:53.010 --> 00:54:54.889 they thought they were saying too much to their family. 1096 00:54:55.190 --> 00:54:57.190 So you run around going, yeah, they're working on, you know, 1097 00:54:57.269 --> 00:55:00.449 UFO stuff and all that. You're fired. Right. And they 1098 00:55:00.489 --> 00:55:03.409 couldn't take that chance because it's not like, you know, 1099 00:55:04.230 --> 00:55:07.329 to have a job like that pays well and you're 1100 00:55:07.349 --> 00:55:09.940 lucky to have it. And so that's why we didn't, 1101 00:55:10.260 --> 00:55:12.360 a lot of people didn't talk about it or why 1102 00:55:12.380 --> 00:55:13.820 a lot of people said, you know, we didn't talk 1103 00:55:13.860 --> 00:55:17.480 about it. But in fact, we were, okay. All right. 1104 00:55:17.619 --> 00:55:20.119 So the community didn't like to talk about it

because 1105 00:55:20.179 --> 00:55:23.010 they had families or friends working on the space program, right? 1106 00:55:23.030 --> 00:55:25.610 That was a big employee. And we're talking multiple places, 1107 00:55:25.750 --> 00:55:29.590 multiple factories and facilities. Well, we came in from New 1108 00:55:29.630 --> 00:55:32.250 York and bought this diner. We didn't know what was 1109 00:55:32.289 --> 00:55:35.110 going on in town. So my mom's like, you can 1110 00:55:35.150 --> 00:55:37.949 talk about whatever you want in here. You know, I 1111 00:55:37.969 --> 00:55:41.630 don't care. Talk about whatever you want, because we didn't 1112 00:55:41.730 --> 00:55:46.059 know that that was going on. And so that's why 1113 00:55:46.119 --> 00:55:49.440 our diner became what it was out of we were 1114 00:55:49.519 --> 00:55:53.309 we didn't because we didn't know. And if we had known, 1115 00:55:53.349 --> 00:55:55.250 I think my mother probably would have been a little 1116 00:55:55.269 --> 00:55:57.800 more sensitive to other people's families and working on the 1117 00:55:57.840 --> 00:56:00.460 space race and stuff. But we had a diner, you know, 1118 00:56:00.539 --> 00:56:04.579 have some pancakes, drop some quarters in the jukebox. You know, 1119 00:56:04.960 --> 00:56:07.460 you know, we got two burgers, one dog, you know, 1120 00:56:08.019 --> 00:56:12.260 you know, we didn't care that so-and-so's brother worked at Sprag. 1121 00:56:13.079 --> 00:56:15.989 What do we care? So we talked about whatever we wanted. 1122 00:56:16.139 --> 00:56:19.230 But outside that diner? No, the town didn't want to 1123 00:56:19.269 --> 00:56:23.489 hear it, you know, because. It was a secret space program. 1124 00:56:24.070 --> 00:56:28.900 And we weren't aware of what was the you know, 1125 00:56:28.920 --> 00:56:31.440 the backbone or, or what the, uh, a lot of 1126 00:56:31.460 --> 00:56:34.239 the revenue where the revenue was coming from in that town. 1127 00:56:34.510 --> 00:56:36.809 And it wasn't even our town. It was the great Barrington, 1128 00:56:36.869 --> 00:56:40.429 a town right up the road from us. And, uh, yeah, 1129 00:56:40.789 --> 00:56:43.829 you know, Pittsfield and, you know, North Adams is where 1130 00:56:44.210 --> 00:56:47.500 Sprague was, but the goodwill message that was made and 1131 00:56:47.599 --> 00:56:50.619 sent to the moon was only like, you know, 25 1132 00:56:50.619 --> 00:56:53.340 minutes up the road. Yeah. And those people that worked 1133 00:56:53.400 --> 00:56:58.010 on that ate in our diner. That was a diner. 1134 00:56:58.510 --> 00:57:00.909 And that, and our diner was not far from the racetrack. 1135 00:57:01.980 --> 00:57:04.239 So if you wanted, it was like Saratoga, right? So 1136 00:57:04.260 --> 00:57:06.360 if you were going to go to Saratoga, there was 1137 00:57:06.380 --> 00:57:08.800 only a couple of diners or restaurants around the racetrack. 1138 00:57:08.840 --> 00:57:10.139 You came and you ate

in our diner. 1139 00:57:10.880 --> 00:57:14.219 And so, so listen, so, so the, you know, your 1140 00:57:14.300 --> 00:57:18.590 story and, you know, you, you hear about the stuff 1141 00:57:18.610 --> 00:57:21.650 that took place back then. And, um, what do you 1142 00:57:21.670 --> 00:57:25.349 think when you hear, or you watch like stranger things, um, 1143 00:57:26.550 --> 00:57:29.389 That's almost like the government has opened up a portal 1144 00:57:29.739 --> 00:57:32.280 to this other world where these beings are coming through 1145 00:57:32.340 --> 00:57:34.300 and now they're trying to work with them and the 1146 00:57:34.340 --> 00:57:39.079 kids are experiencing it. The family members are experiencing what 1147 00:57:39.119 --> 00:57:42.760 seems to be paranormal, these entities and stuff. It almost 1148 00:57:42.780 --> 00:57:45.320 seems like some of that stuff is even leaking through 1149 00:57:45.340 --> 00:57:50.329 art and entertainment, whether they're even hearing your stories and 1150 00:57:50.349 --> 00:57:52.650 they know it and then they kind of take something 1151 00:57:52.730 --> 00:57:55.389 similar and write a movie or television show based off 1152 00:57:55.449 --> 00:57:55.650 of it. 1153 00:57:56.719 --> 00:57:58.539 Well, you know, I believe in the belt, you know, 1154 00:57:58.559 --> 00:58:02.340 there's black holes, there's white holes, you know, I believe 1155 00:58:02.360 --> 00:58:05.179 there are dimensions for sure. There's no question there's dimensions. 1156 00:58:06.119 --> 00:58:09.119 But I get torn between, you know, was what we 1157 00:58:09.199 --> 00:58:11.960 saw dimensional? And I don't think it was because it 1158 00:58:12.000 --> 00:58:17.949 was so, you know, nuts and bolts. However, I do 1159 00:58:18.010 --> 00:58:20.889 believe that First of all, I think we're alien. I 1160 00:58:20.909 --> 00:58:22.969 don't think we're from here. And if you've listened to 1161 00:58:23.010 --> 00:58:25.510 my other shows before, you know, my feeling on the 1162 00:58:25.570 --> 00:58:28.070 planet and why we're here, you know, the earth rotates 1163 00:58:28.110 --> 00:58:31.269 on a unique access. So we have, we can house 1164 00:58:31.309 --> 00:58:33.849 a lot of different animals or species at the same time, 1165 00:58:33.909 --> 00:58:39.309 because we've got brackish water, saltwater, fresh water, desert, you know, rainforest. And, uh, 1166 00:58:40.230 --> 00:58:43.300 and so, you know, we've got, you bring, you know, 1167 00:58:43.550 --> 00:58:47.280 a life form here. There's going to be the right climate, 1168 00:58:47.880 --> 00:58:52.550 you know? But let me back up here to, you know, 1169 00:58:54.489 --> 00:58:56.889 take Adam and Eve, right? If people think that, you know, 1170 00:58:56.929 --> 00:59:01.010 we were, they believe that's, you know, that story. First 1171 00:59:01.050 --> 00:59:02.769 of all, it could never have happened because all the 1172 00:59:02.809 --> 00:59:04.750 children would have been inbred and they would have died off. 1173 00:59:05.090 --> 00:59:07.429 We know that from the Pharaoh, right? They slept with 1174 00:59:07.449 --> 00:59:10.360 their sisters, There's some kinky sons of bitches right there. So, 1175 00:59:10.400 --> 00:59:12.369 you know, but they did. They slept with their brothers 1176 00:59:12.409 --> 00:59:15.010 and sisters, right? And they died off because they became weak. 1177 00:59:15.030 --> 00:59:18.510 Just like a purebred dog or a racehorse. You can't inbreed. 1178 00:59:18.710 --> 00:59:24.500 They get weak, right? So... After seven extinctions, and this 1179 00:59:24.579 --> 00:59:28.320 planet has had like seven extinctions, global extinctions, we have 1180 00:59:28.360 --> 00:59:32.050 over 8 million species thriving on this planet, 8 million. 1181 00:59:33.090 --> 00:59:35.690 So to have 8 million species, you would have had 1182 00:59:35.690 --> 00:59:41.070 8 million males, 8 million females, right? And then if 1183 00:59:41.110 --> 00:59:43.829 that were the case, you had 16 million, they would 1184 00:59:44.050 --> 00:59:46.130 have died because they would have been inbred. So there 1185 00:59:46.150 --> 00:59:48.250 would have had to have been at least, you know, 1186 00:59:48.349 --> 00:59:53.610 five or six of each species. opposite sex, same age, 1187 00:59:54.889 --> 00:59:57.889 or relatively the same age, in the same area so 1188 00:59:57.929 --> 00:59:59.849 they would see each other and meet each other and 1189 01:00:00.610 --> 01:00:04.510 carry on that, you know, whatever, like, you know, tiger, whatever. 1190 01:00:05.050 --> 01:00:08.679 So to have 8 million species here, there would have 1191 01:00:08.699 --> 01:00:12.019 had to have been at least 64 million, 30, you know, 1192 01:00:12.019 --> 01:00:18.420 32 female to have a healthy species. So where are 1193 01:00:18.460 --> 01:00:22.210 they coming from? I think that Earth is our galaxy's arc. 1194 01:00:23.030 --> 01:00:25.650 And we've got life coming here from a lot of 1195 01:00:25.690 --> 01:00:30.849 different other planets or what have you. It has everything 1196 01:00:30.889 --> 01:00:34.130 you could possibly want, right? But if we have bad water, 1197 01:00:34.730 --> 01:00:36.090 and that's one of the reasons our case went to 1198 01:00:36.110 --> 01:00:38.190 the UN because it was over the Housatonic River, which 1199 01:00:38.250 --> 01:00:40.550 is very polluted. And then it was around the time 1200 01:00:40.590 --> 01:00:43.670 that they had the Hudson River Valley case, the Pine 1201 01:00:43.710 --> 01:00:46.710 Bush UFO fear is held there. So because it was 1202 01:00:46.750 --> 01:00:49.170 over water and you had the Hudson River sightings over 1203 01:00:49.190 --> 01:00:53.429 body of water, they thought there was a correlation because 1204 01:00:53.469 --> 01:00:56.369 my father was a politician. It would add some, you know, uh, 1205 01:00:56.670 --> 01:00:59.230 substance to

mentioning it. And of course he died on 1206 01:00:59.250 --> 01:01:00.820 the same day. And then those kids that came into 1207 01:01:00.860 --> 01:01:03.860 our diner were now historians and judges and bang, they 1208 01:01:03.880 --> 01:01:06.440 got it inducted into state. But at the same time, 1209 01:01:06.840 --> 01:01:09.159 there's a lot of odd, you know, there's things that 1210 01:01:09.199 --> 01:01:11.219 I try to make sense of and there's things that 1211 01:01:11.239 --> 01:01:14.170 I just can't make sense of. So like you said, 1212 01:01:14.210 --> 01:01:15.969 what was that? I saw, you know, I don't know 1213 01:01:16.010 --> 01:01:17.409 what it was. I saw, was it alive? I think 1214 01:01:17.449 --> 01:01:19.750 it was that thing. It looked like an ant. Um, 1215 01:01:20.369 --> 01:01:22.530 and then, you know, um, you know, where do they 1216 01:01:22.550 --> 01:01:25.590 come from? You know, well, what I saw was, was 1217 01:01:25.750 --> 01:01:31.079 a craft. It was obviously able to, to, to hover silently. 1218 01:01:31.820 --> 01:01:34.940 So it must, it probably came here from, I got 1219 01:01:34.960 --> 01:01:38.530 a portal, right? I mean, it was right. So it 1220 01:01:38.550 --> 01:01:41.210 was nuts and bolts. So was, do we have something 1221 01:01:41.250 --> 01:01:42.550 going on on the dark side of the moon? Do 1222 01:01:42.570 --> 01:01:45.130 we have, is there a space station out there? Not 1223 01:01:45.170 --> 01:01:48.590 too far off our, our, you know, from earth, if 1224 01:01:48.610 --> 01:01:52.570 you will, or, you know, within traveling distance to get here, 1225 01:01:52.590 --> 01:01:56.289 or is it dimensional or is there a way to 1226 01:01:56.329 --> 01:02:00.150 punch a hole in, in come here? You know, you're 1227 01:02:00.170 --> 01:02:02.260 seeing more and more UFOs in the, in the oceans, 1228 01:02:02.960 --> 01:02:06.940 you know, everything that we saw was around water. So 1229 01:02:08.199 --> 01:02:12.099 wonders or something underground. It's very confusing. You know, that's 1230 01:02:12.139 --> 01:02:15.179 why I just stick to what I saw because I 1231 01:02:15.239 --> 01:02:19.199 believe that, that life is coming from just outside of 1232 01:02:19.760 --> 01:02:24.980 our atmosphere. I do. I think they're that close. You know, um, 1233 01:02:25.199 --> 01:02:26.659 people say, Oh, well they had to, you know, they 1234 01:02:26.679 --> 01:02:28.719 had to come light years away. Not if there's a space, 1235 01:02:28.889 --> 01:02:30.630 not if there's a place out there, if they're on 1236 01:02:30.670 --> 01:02:34.230 the backside of the moon, there you go. You know, um, 1237 01:02:35.050 --> 01:02:37.010 we're going to Mars, you. 1238 01:02:36.969 --> 01:02:40.409 Know, I don't think they're that far away from us. 1239 01:02:40.489 --> 01:02:42.329 I mean, what if they're far more advanced, you know, 1240 01:02:42.389 --> 01:02:45.639 and thousands, if not millions of years, you know, more 1241 01:02:45.659 --> 01:02:50.400 advanced and, In every shape, form, technologically, spiritually, they can 1242 01:02:50.820 --> 01:02:54.989 project thoughts and telepathically communicate with people in the room 1243 01:02:55.070 --> 01:02:57.630 and send you an image and all types of strange 1244 01:02:57.730 --> 01:02:59.309 stuff that people talk about encountering. 1245 01:03:00.329 --> 01:03:02.690 Right. We've got like 160, 70 IQ, but I think 1246 01:03:02.750 --> 01:03:06.449 we're purposely toned down. I mean, like just talking to 1247 01:03:06.469 --> 01:03:08.639 you right now, if you and I could access all 1248 01:03:08.679 --> 01:03:13.449 our brainpower, I'd probably know your credit card numbers. Right. 1249 01:03:13.769 --> 01:03:14.050 Yeah. 1250 01:03:14.170 --> 01:03:17.449 I'd be able to pick. So there's no privacy. You 1251 01:03:17.469 --> 01:03:21.039 have to crank it down. Otherwise, think about it. You know, 1252 01:03:21.480 --> 01:03:25.239 we everybody that my God, you know, I know your passwords. 1253 01:03:25.800 --> 01:03:28.059 You know what I mean? But I do think that 1254 01:03:28.320 --> 01:03:31.389 when you have an experience and I'm sure you've experienced this, too. 1255 01:03:32.340 --> 01:03:37.219 Something opens up, you know, you, my son is extremely intuitive. 1256 01:03:37.340 --> 01:03:39.849 I mean, he actually took a test at the Miami 1257 01:03:39.909 --> 01:03:43.530 children's hospital and he scored higher than coincidental chance. So 1258 01:03:43.570 --> 01:03:46.309 his nickname through school was chance. I mean, he, like 1259 01:03:46.349 --> 01:03:49.269 I got ESP cards behind me, you know, we, he's 1260 01:03:49.329 --> 01:03:51.610 good at this stuff. And like, to give you an example, 1261 01:03:52.159 --> 01:03:53.500 one day he calls me up in a panic. He 1262 01:03:53.539 --> 01:03:55.820 was at his girlfriend's house. He's like, you know, daddy, okay. 1263 01:03:56.159 --> 01:03:58.760 He's like 23 years old. And I'm like, yeah, I'm fine. 1264 01:03:58.780 --> 01:04:00.340 He goes, no, no, check the house. Something's wrong. I 1265 01:04:00.360 --> 01:04:02.159 got a bad feeling. And when he says that I 1266 01:04:02.199 --> 01:04:06.440 do it because I know him, you know, I mean, I, okay, 1267 01:04:06.460 --> 01:04:08.659 I'll do it. And, uh, so I checked the house. 1268 01:04:08.679 --> 01:04:10.690 There's nothing, you know, I'm fine. It's like 2 AM. Um, 1269 01:04:12.219 --> 01:04:15.019 I'm like, I'm good. Now check the basement windows. He 1270 01:04:15.059 --> 01:04:17.300 would not let it go. And I got back in bed. 1271 01:04:17.320 --> 01:04:20.550 I'm like, dude, I'm tired. The house is okay. He left, 1272 01:04:20.650 --> 01:04:24.030 drove 45 minutes to my house. I live on a corner. 1273 01:04:24.349 --> 01:04:26.429 When he came around the corner, there was an SUV 1274 01:04:26.530 --> 01:04:29.349 upside down with a guy hanging out the sunroof. And 1275

01:04:29.369 --> 01:04:32.869 the police had just gotten there. He saw it 45 1276 01:04:32.869 --> 01:04:36.090 minutes before it happened. Because it was on my property 1277 01:04:36.489 --> 01:04:38.090 or our property, he felt it. 1278 01:04:38.570 --> 01:04:38.809 Yeah. 1279 01:04:39.130 --> 01:04:44.480 You know, that's not that was no coincidental chance. I mean, 1280 01:04:44.539 --> 01:04:48.159 that was he was adamant. And another time he did 1281 01:04:48.179 --> 01:04:50.119 the same thing with my family up in Massachusetts, because 1282 01:04:50.159 --> 01:04:52.980 I told you after this whole UFO thing, my father decides, 1283 01:04:53.000 --> 01:04:54.559 you know, I've got a great house we're going to buy. 1284 01:04:54.579 --> 01:04:56.420 We're going to buy that house where the murder took place, 1285 01:04:56.940 --> 01:05:00.320 which was, you know, the death of Canaan, the Barbara Gibbons, 1286 01:05:00.340 --> 01:05:02.550 the Peter Riley trial, which we actually that cottage was 1287 01:05:02.590 --> 01:05:04.710 on our property. I got some bad feelings and I 1288 01:05:04.750 --> 01:05:08.949 couldn't even be in there. But he called my papa, 1289 01:05:08.989 --> 01:05:11.880 his grandfather at the time. He was like 9 or 10, 1290 01:05:11.880 --> 01:05:16.820 maybe a little 12 maybe, and asked them the same thing. 1291 01:05:16.840 --> 01:05:19.260 Would you check the doors? Take a look at the house. 1292 01:05:19.519 --> 01:05:24.179 Something's not right. And sure enough, the following day, the 1293 01:05:24.199 --> 01:05:26.039 police came to my parents' house after they checked it 1294 01:05:26.079 --> 01:05:29.489 the night before. Everything was okay. They filed footprints back 1295 01:05:29.530 --> 01:05:32.150 to the barn that went to a convenience store that 1296 01:05:32.170 --> 01:05:34.389 had been robbed that night. So there were actually people 1297 01:05:34.820 --> 01:05:36.800 you know, not far from their bedroom, hanging out in 1298 01:05:36.820 --> 01:05:39.699 this barn, you know, waiting for the traffic to go, 1299 01:05:40.030 --> 01:05:42.269 you know, calm down so that they could rob this, 1300 01:05:42.869 --> 01:05:48.570 you know, you know, like a 7-Eleven across the street. So, yeah, 1301 01:05:48.590 --> 01:05:53.110 it was, he's got that ability. Now, if you knew 1302 01:05:53.159 --> 01:05:54.900 his mother, you're like, you didn't get it from her. So, 1303 01:05:56.420 --> 01:05:59.139 you know what I mean? You know, and I'm, you know, 1304 01:05:59.159 --> 01:06:02.139 I'm okay. I got a pretty good head on my shoulders, but, 1305 01:06:02.860 --> 01:06:07.369 and his mom was, you know, you know, blonde bombshell thing, 1306 01:06:07.409 --> 01:06:10.630 but you know, she wasn't a member of Mensa, right. Well, 1307 01:06:10.670 --> 01:06:13.630 my son is like at a different level, you know? Um, 1308 01:06:14.429 --> 01:06:18.230 and my brother's children are like that, you know, it's like, 1309 01:06:18.809 --> 01:06:21.070 and I've got a sense about me too. Like, um, 1310 01:06:21.309 --> 01:06:22.820 I think a lot of people do. I think we 1311 01:06:22.840 --> 01:06:25.079 all have it, but it's heightened. You know, when you 1312 01:06:25.119 --> 01:06:26.920 walk down the road, you're like, you got a bad feeling. 1313 01:06:26.940 --> 01:06:30.159 Someone's behind you. That kind of, everyone has that, but 1314 01:06:30.239 --> 01:06:34.599 it's like amplified, you know? And my son's had visions too. 1315 01:06:34.639 --> 01:06:36.400 He's been in his bed and he's seen like lights, 1316 01:06:36.659 --> 01:06:39.659 like a light in his room open up over his bed. 1317 01:06:39.739 --> 01:06:43.079 And we've seen, you know, avaritions in the house. We've 1318 01:06:43.099 --> 01:06:48.989 seen shadows. Whatever happened opened something up in us. And 1319 01:06:49.489 --> 01:06:55.909 so when you, so there had to be some, something 1320 01:06:55.989 --> 01:07:01.900 dimensional to drive that. Yet what we saw seemed very 1321 01:07:01.960 --> 01:07:06.199 nuts and bolts. So I'm conflicted there. I don't know 1322 01:07:06.239 --> 01:07:09.340 what to make of it unless you can actually take 1323 01:07:09.400 --> 01:07:12.380 something physical and punch it through a dimensional wall. 1324 01:07:13.019 --> 01:07:16.880 Yeah, I'm assuming so. Even if it's to travel like 1325 01:07:16.920 --> 01:07:19.769 a wormhole, right? If you know how to fold space 1326 01:07:19.809 --> 01:07:24.489 and time to travel that distance almost instantly, you know. 1327 01:07:24.590 --> 01:07:28.769 So again, whether it's there... we will call it spirituality. 1328 01:07:28.949 --> 01:07:31.110 You know what I'm saying? We make religions off of this, 1329 01:07:31.210 --> 01:07:33.869 what Jesus was able to do and what so-and-so was 1330 01:07:33.949 --> 01:07:36.880 able to do. And like, we like, you know, we 1331 01:07:36.909 --> 01:07:39.639 want to learn and, and it could be very similar to, 1332 01:07:40.659 --> 01:07:43.159 you know, Criss Angel Mind Freak or people who were 1333 01:07:43.199 --> 01:07:45.400 able to kind of project thoughts and say, Hey, write 1334 01:07:45.420 --> 01:07:47.699 down a number. Here's the card. Here's the number you're 1335 01:07:47.719 --> 01:07:50.849 thinking of and draw a picture. And then you draw 1336 01:07:50.869 --> 01:07:52.690 it and they hold up the picture that they knew 1337 01:07:52.730 --> 01:07:55.190 what you were going to draw, whether it's sleight of hand, 1338 01:07:55.210 --> 01:07:58.710 whatever it's projecting a thought, Like there's some really interesting 1339 01:07:58.769 --> 01:08:01.969 stuff that we form religions off of it. You know, 1340 01:08:02.030 --> 01:08:04.690 these different, you know, parts of the brain that we 1341 01:08:04.730 --> 01:08:07.050 can tap into or sleight of hand or whatever the 1342 01:08:07.090 --> 01:08:10.110 case is. We call it magic, you know, and that

1343 01:08:10.170 --> 01:08:14.119 magic is part of our spirituality or part of our DNA, 1344 01:08:14.159 --> 01:08:14.400 you know. 1345 01:08:16.300 --> 01:08:18.159 Yeah, we practice that. If you can see the Zenic 1346 01:08:18.180 --> 01:08:20.180 cards behind me. Can you see them or no? 1347 01:08:20.819 --> 01:08:25.539 Let me change the view to full screen. I don't 1348 01:08:25.560 --> 01:08:26.239 see it. I don't think so. 1349 01:08:32.229 --> 01:08:37.649 So we actually, I practice with my son. Nice, nice. Yeah, 1350 01:08:37.890 --> 01:08:38.930 and it's amazing. 1351 01:08:38.949 --> 01:08:42.869 Let's practice right now, me and you. So what would 1352 01:08:42.890 --> 01:08:44.229 you do if it was you and your son? Yeah. 1353 01:08:45.489 --> 01:08:48.210 Oh, I would just, we take the cards, right? And 1354 01:08:48.289 --> 01:08:53.720 I shuffle them like this. And I will just hold 1355 01:08:53.739 --> 01:08:55.609 them up. And you pick one. 1356 01:08:58.760 --> 01:08:59.100 Anyone? 1357 01:09:00.420 --> 01:09:00.579 Yep. 1358 01:09:01.260 --> 01:09:03.800 I would say the middle. Okay. 1359 01:09:04.640 --> 01:09:08.800 So the square. Okay. And I'll put them in here 1360 01:09:08.819 --> 01:09:12.529 in a different order. So you don't know which is which. 1361 01:09:13.930 --> 01:09:26.489 And you picture the square. And try to picture the square. 1362 01:09:27.220 --> 01:09:27.930 Where do you think it is? 1363 01:09:33.119 --> 01:09:34.300 I'm going to go with the middle again. 1364 01:09:34.319 --> 01:09:44.159 Go with the middle. But my son gets it like 1365 01:09:44.159 --> 01:09:45.659 40% of the time, almost half the time out of 1366 01:09:45.680 --> 01:09:48.180 three cards. Now it depends on what kind of movie 1367 01:09:48.199 --> 01:09:48.420 he's in. 1368 01:09:49.239 --> 01:09:52.489 Yeah, that's interesting. Like I've done a couple of those 1369 01:09:52.569 --> 01:09:55.020 like like i said we do our thursday night school 1370 01:09:55.039 --> 01:09:57.960 of the mystics and we tried it with uh probably 1371 01:09:57.979 --> 01:10:02.550 eight or nine people and the chances are weird because 1372 01:10:02.569 --> 01:10:05.489 a lot of times the first time like everybody got 1373 01:10:05.529 --> 01:10:06.949 it and it was the thing where i was like 1374 01:10:06.989 --> 01:10:08.770 hey i'm gonna try to send you guys a number 1375 01:10:08.949 --> 01:10:13.380 one through nine think of the number and everyone okay 1376 01:10:13.560 --> 01:10:14.880 i say y'all got it you got it you got 1377 01:10:14.899 --> 01:10:16.619 it yeah we went through one at a time everybody's 1378 01:10:16.640 --> 01:10:19.699 like seven seven seven like the whole room said seven 1379 01:10:19.720 --> 01:10:22.270 and i'm like okay that's the number. Like everybody said 1380 01:10:22.289 --> 01:10:24.920 the same thing, but then we couldn't repeat it. Like 1381 01:10:24.960 --> 01:10:27.159 it was the first time it was something like, wow, 1382 01:10:27.460 --> 01:10:31.319 everybody got it. And then, um, I think because. 1383 01:10:31.159 --> 01:10:34.500 You try too hard afterwards, you try too hard. Yeah. 1384 01:10:34.859 --> 01:10:37.470 It's in, it's in, it's, it's in between the thoughts, 1385 01:10:37.609 --> 01:10:38.050 if you will. 1386 01:10:38.369 --> 01:10:45.810 Yeah. One more time. Square. Let me. 1387 01:10:47.319 --> 01:10:49.960 I have to change the view so I can see 1388 01:10:50.000 --> 01:11:05.050 the whole thing. So here we go. I'm really not 1389 01:11:05.239 --> 01:11:07.789 getting it. It would just be chance again, the middle again. 1390 01:11:07.810 --> 01:11:13.710 It's just chance. I'm not getting it. Yeah. It's like 1391 01:11:13.750 --> 01:11:16.930 it's one of those things when you know you know. Yeah, yeah. 1392 01:11:17.260 --> 01:11:21.140 Like when you know, you know. And I don't know. 1393 01:11:21.300 --> 01:11:23.420 Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead. 1394 01:11:23.439 --> 01:11:26.600 No, no. I mean, I don't know. And but we're 1395 01:11:26.619 --> 01:11:28.619 trying to we're trying to figure it out. We've gotten 1396 01:11:28.680 --> 01:11:32.319 breadcrumbs of inklings and little things. And I've got friends 1397 01:11:32.359 --> 01:11:36.510 that are really good at that. There was one there 1398 01:11:36.529 --> 01:11:38.810 was one on TikTok. I'm just scrolling TikTok and there's 1399 01:11:38.829 --> 01:11:41.569 just videos and it was a card. And the guy's like, 1400 01:11:41.630 --> 01:11:43.770 and it's just a random TikTok video. It says, what, 1401 01:11:43.800 --> 01:11:46.039 what numbers on the other side? Guess the number in 1402 01:11:46.060 --> 01:11:49.539 the suit. And like you said, first impression, seven of diamonds, 1403 01:11:49.640 --> 01:11:52.199 you know, that kind of thing. And then now we're 1404 01:11:52.220 --> 01:11:54.159 going to flip it. And now guess what it is. 1405 01:11:54.640 --> 01:11:57.289 And it was like, wow, first impression, a random video. 1406 01:11:57.470 --> 01:11:59.470 I got it. So I go to his channel and 1407 01:11:59.489 --> 01:12:02.109 I go to the next one and I don't get it. 1408 01:12:02.109 --> 01:12:04.510 So yeah, yeah, yeah. I got the first one, you know? 1409 01:12:04.649 --> 01:12:07.060 Yeah. Well, you know, that's not, you just stop then 1410 01:12:07.079 --> 01:12:07.840 you got a hundred percent. 1411 01:12:09.659 --> 01:12:11.079 Hey, that may be it. 1412 01:12:11.140 --> 01:12:11.340 Yeah. 1413 01:12:11.460 --> 01:12:11.930 It may be it. 1414 01:12:12.140 --> 01:12:14.920 You know, first, first thing, you know, man, throw it 1415 01:12:14.939 --> 01:12:16.420 on 60 bucks on eight and see what happens. 1416 01:12:16.960 --> 01:12:18.220 So, right. 1417 01:12:18.640 --> 01:12:21.199 So I want to mention one more thing. So when 1418 01:12:21.239 --> 01:12:23.159 we were trying to, my son was trying to develop 1419 01:12:23.199 --> 01:12:25.520 a little bit of this, there was

a, someone came 1420 01:12:25.579 --> 01:12:27.500 over with this game. It's not really a game. It 1421 01:12:27.520 --> 01:12:32.289 was a testing type of, It was like from a hospital, actually, 1422 01:12:32.310 --> 01:12:34.670 a testing center. Now they make it a game. It's actually, 1423 01:12:34.689 --> 01:12:37.810 you can buy it on Amazon. But this was a 1424 01:12:37.850 --> 01:12:44.380 professional type of, you know, extrasensory perception or mind game 1425 01:12:44.840 --> 01:12:47.539 where they had basically like an air hockey, you know, 1426 01:12:47.579 --> 01:12:49.399 the air that comes through the holes, like an air 1427 01:12:49.420 --> 01:12:51.979 hockey table has little holes in it. And they put a, 1428 01:12:52.020 --> 01:12:55.079 you might've seen this, where they put like a ping 1429 01:12:55.100 --> 01:12:58.960 pong ball on top of the board. And then where 1430 01:12:58.979 --> 01:13:00.939 these holes are, you'd have like these little things like 1431 01:13:00.979 --> 01:13:03.739 a goalpost from a football game. And you stick these 1432 01:13:03.779 --> 01:13:08.729 goalposts all around the board and you take this headset, 1433 01:13:09.130 --> 01:13:15.989 which amplifies your brainwaves and you crank it up and 1434 01:13:16.029 --> 01:13:18.229 you will the ball to move and you can move 1435 01:13:18.270 --> 01:13:21.310 it all through these goalposts. Yeah. All through the game. Yeah. 1436 01:13:21.329 --> 01:13:24.229 You've probably seen something like that. So when you start 1437 01:13:24.529 --> 01:13:28.850 realizing that you can't, think and and want and go 1438 01:13:28.930 --> 01:13:30.529 what's that x is it a square is it a 1439 01:13:30.590 --> 01:13:33.789 circle you've got to just let yourself go yeah and 1440 01:13:33.829 --> 01:13:36.020 just let it come to you and then will it 1441 01:13:36.840 --> 01:13:39.380 so when you do that this becomes a lot easier 1442 01:13:39.399 --> 01:13:43.159 so you don't want to force it oh god i 1443 01:13:43.180 --> 01:13:44.479 got the first time what is it the second time 1444 01:13:44.880 --> 01:13:47.079 you just got to go let it go and let 1445 01:13:47.140 --> 01:13:48.850 it come to you yeah yeah. 1446 01:13:49.090 --> 01:13:50.750 But it's hard to it's hard to will it it's 1447 01:13:50.789 --> 01:13:53.130 something you just gotta you gotta try to you gotta 1448 01:13:53.210 --> 01:13:55.819 try to get familiar with it So remember I told 1449 01:13:55.840 --> 01:13:58.720 you before we went live that I got into witchcraft 1450 01:13:58.760 --> 01:14:00.579 and stuff as a teenager. And I got into some 1451 01:14:00.619 --> 01:14:05.159 pretty dark stuff and about went schizophrenic and had voices 1452 01:14:05.220 --> 01:14:07.819 talking to me and just crazy stuff that I opened up. 1453 01:14:08.500 --> 01:14:11.430 And so there was a technique that we did. And 1454 01:14:11.439 --> 01:14:13.590 so we had a pendulum and it was a pendulum. 1455 01:14:13.649 --> 01:14:16.630 It was just a necklace. You needed something that had 1456 01:14:16.670 --> 01:14:19.810 your energy on it. And my warlock teacher taught me 1457 01:14:19.829 --> 01:14:22.170 to do this, how to commune with spirits. And so 1458 01:14:22.569 --> 01:14:24.670 you take your necklace off or you can get a pendulum. 1459 01:14:25.039 --> 01:14:27.079 And you hold it up and you get it still. 1460 01:14:28.380 --> 01:14:33.340 And you, the practitioner, you ask it a question. You say, OK, 1461 01:14:33.699 --> 01:14:35.560 is this the question? So back and forth for yes 1462 01:14:35.600 --> 01:14:39.310 or no, side to side. Yes, no. And so I'd 1463 01:14:39.319 --> 01:14:42.630 ask a question. All of a sudden, it would start moving. 1464 01:14:42.670 --> 01:14:44.529 Then I let it stop. We ask it another one. 1465 01:14:44.590 --> 01:14:47.069 And it would change direction. And it was this necklace 1466 01:14:47.090 --> 01:14:48.850 that I had. And I would hold it. And I'm 1467 01:14:48.890 --> 01:14:50.550 trying to figure it out if it's real for me. 1468 01:14:50.609 --> 01:14:52.909 So we'd have people around. And I'm holding it still 1469 01:14:52.949 --> 01:14:55.260 as I can. I'd ask the question and then it 1470 01:14:55.279 --> 01:14:58.300 would move. And then eventually I had got into this 1471 01:14:58.380 --> 01:15:01.279 place where like I would do it almost like a 1472 01:15:01.420 --> 01:15:04.079 parlor trick and I would show people. And I was 1473 01:15:04.460 --> 01:15:07.229 big into Marilyn Manson. And I still like Marilyn Manson 1474 01:15:07.239 --> 01:15:10.170 to this day. But there was a certain song that 1475 01:15:10.210 --> 01:15:12.550 I would put on and it would start off really slow. 1476 01:15:12.909 --> 01:15:17.409 It was actually the Willy Wonka song. There's no earthly 1477 01:15:17.510 --> 01:15:20.550 way of knowing. So he did a version of that 1478 01:15:20.590 --> 01:15:24.270 that got really crazy at the end. And it would 1479 01:15:24.289 --> 01:15:27.189 start off slow. And I would say, can you move 1480 01:15:27.250 --> 01:15:29.289 in a circle? And I would speak to the energy. 1481 01:15:29.369 --> 01:15:31.890 Can you make this move in a circle? And it 1482 01:15:31.930 --> 01:15:36.180 would just start. It would start spinning really slow. And 1483 01:15:36.310 --> 01:15:40.600 as the music progressed, I would say faster, faster. And eventually, dude, 1484 01:15:40.659 --> 01:15:45.439 I'm sitting here. And the thing is spinning. And so 1485 01:15:45.680 --> 01:15:48.619 I'm trying to tap in and talk to energies and 1486 01:15:48.840 --> 01:15:51.359 demons or whatever is out there. I want to say hello. 1487 01:15:52.060 --> 01:15:55.770 And I got into a really weird place. But as 1488 01:15:55.829 --> 01:16:00.079 I look back at it now, I don't know that 1489 01:16:00.100 --> 01:16:05.199 I was talking to a demon. I wonder, I'm imagining 1490 01:16:05.239 --> 01:16:07.800

that thing spinning. I know you can do it. I 1491 01:16:07.840 --> 01:16:10.680 know you can do it. And so I'm almost trying 1492 01:16:10.699 --> 01:16:13.479 to help it. So it's like instead of giving the 1493 01:16:13.640 --> 01:16:18.810 energy to the entity, maybe I used my mind and 1494 01:16:18.850 --> 01:16:22.010 my will to make that thing spin. 1495 01:16:24.579 --> 01:16:26.159 But were you getting the answers you wanted? 1496 01:16:26.180 --> 01:16:28.420 I think so. 1497 01:16:28.500 --> 01:16:32.079 So if you were kind of willing at yourself unconsciously, 1498 01:16:33.100 --> 01:16:36.250 then still you were able to move it yourself, but 1499 01:16:36.289 --> 01:16:37.949 were you actually getting the answers you wanted? 1500 01:16:39.270 --> 01:16:43.270 I think so. I think that I probably knew the 1501 01:16:43.350 --> 01:16:48.439 answer before I asked intuitively, and so it was just like, yes, no, yes, no. 1502 01:16:48.800 --> 01:16:52.439 I mean, divination is a thing, right? It's like, it's divining. 1503 01:16:52.520 --> 01:16:55.939 It's tapping in with Now, where is that coming from? 1504 01:16:56.000 --> 01:16:57.899 Is it coming from God? Is it coming from demons? 1505 01:16:57.979 --> 01:17:00.699 Or is it coming from your own inner intuition that 1506 01:17:00.819 --> 01:17:07.890 knows everything? It literally knows everything. It's connected to everything 1507 01:17:07.930 --> 01:17:11.090 and everyone. And so it's able to give you that 1508 01:17:11.170 --> 01:17:12.869 information or just help you. 1509 01:17:12.890 --> 01:17:15.489 We have other senses. We have abilities. We just need 1510 01:17:15.529 --> 01:17:19.729 to tap into it. And I think that's what happens 1511 01:17:19.770 --> 01:17:25.100 when you have a profound... encounter or an experience yeah 1512 01:17:25.399 --> 01:17:28.659 for some reason things open up and and uh you 1513 01:17:28.680 --> 01:17:34.159 experience something so uh powerful that uh you know it 1514 01:17:34.380 --> 01:17:36.319 all becomes it becomes part of you again and and 1515 01:17:36.359 --> 01:17:39.739 you can actually use or tap into it unconsciously because 1516 01:17:39.760 --> 01:17:42.779 it becomes like another sense that you are just it's 1517 01:17:42.800 --> 01:17:44.899 become you know it's not something you can really control 1518 01:17:45.010 --> 01:17:48.079 but then again you kind of You can use it, 1519 01:17:48.630 --> 01:17:50.329 you know, but it's never going to go away. Like 1520 01:17:50.409 --> 01:17:53.529 ever since this happened with us as kids, you know, 1521 01:17:53.569 --> 01:17:56.770 I've had, you know, things happen around the houses, like 1522 01:17:56.810 --> 01:17:58.810 I said, shadows and things like that all my life. 1523 01:17:59.470 --> 01:18:01.470 And what's interesting is like I'll have a friend come 1524 01:18:01.569 --> 01:18:04.439 over and they'll see it too. So it's not like 1525 01:18:05.800 --> 01:18:11.199 it's personal

to me. It's connected to me. But other 1526 01:18:11.260 --> 01:18:14.739 people can see it too, just like your necklace, your chain. 1527 01:18:14.939 --> 01:18:18.020 That's something visual other people could actually see. And they're like, 1528 01:18:18.100 --> 01:18:21.550 are you doing it yourself? They're like, no. So we 1529 01:18:21.609 --> 01:18:30.710 become heightened. And whether it's willed or accidental or we 1530 01:18:30.750 --> 01:18:35.560 don't know why, it's probably connected to us, connected to you. 1531 01:18:36.460 --> 01:18:40.350 And it has to be because It doesn't matter where 1532 01:18:40.390 --> 01:18:44.520 you are, right? Like, it's not like I only see 1533 01:18:44.920 --> 01:18:47.729 an aberration in my house when I'm home. I'll see 1534 01:18:47.789 --> 01:18:51.159 things elsewhere, right? So it's like... connected to me. That's 1535 01:18:51.220 --> 01:18:54.180 connected to you. I was actually at a friend's house. 1536 01:18:54.600 --> 01:18:58.239 He was the head of my HOA. I'm that corner house. 1537 01:19:00.420 --> 01:19:03.819 We had been talking about things. He had a bonfire 1538 01:19:03.840 --> 01:19:06.550 in the back. We're hanging out and And, uh, all 1539 01:19:06.569 --> 01:19:07.989 of a sudden, you know, I was about, I was 1540 01:19:08.029 --> 01:19:10.409 walking home and he was kind of heading my way too. 1541 01:19:11.210 --> 01:19:14.239 And there was this black wall, like a double door. 1542 01:19:15.060 --> 01:19:17.199 You couldn't see through it. And it went right across 1543 01:19:17.260 --> 01:19:21.859 my yard and he saw it with me. And I'm 1544 01:19:21.880 --> 01:19:23.640 sitting there looking at this thing because you couldn't see 1545 01:19:23.779 --> 01:19:27.079 through it. I mean, it was huge. It was like a, 1546 01:19:27.140 --> 01:19:29.560 like I said, like a, you know, like a garage, 1547 01:19:30.000 --> 01:19:31.819 half the size of a garage door, let's say, you know, 1548 01:19:31.859 --> 01:19:34.680 it was a big door, like a black square and 1549 01:19:35.050 --> 01:19:36.989 And it went right across my yard and we both 1550 01:19:37.010 --> 01:19:39.270 saw clear as day. You couldn't see through it. And 1551 01:19:39.289 --> 01:19:41.170 then it just kind of fizzled and just all of 1552 01:19:41.189 --> 01:19:43.289 a sudden you could see everything normal again, where that was. 1553 01:19:43.310 --> 01:19:45.390 And we're like, what the hell was that? But I've 1554 01:19:45.409 --> 01:19:47.289 never seen anything like that again, but it just so 1555 01:19:47.329 --> 01:19:49.010 happens that he was with me when we saw it. 1556 01:19:49.569 --> 01:19:50.960 And if I had told him, they'd be like, oh, 1557 01:19:50.970 --> 01:19:53.529 you're crazy. You know, that's no way, you know, you're nuts, 1558 01:19:53.840 --> 01:19:55.840 but he saw it too. And then another time I 1559 01:19:55.880 --> 01:19:58.180 had somebody come to a house I was living in 1560 01:19:58.819 --> 01:20:01.079 and I had some construction being done in the back porch. 1561 01:20:01.140 --> 01:20:04.859 I guess you had construction too, right? And, um, And 1562 01:20:05.159 --> 01:20:07.159 so he had left his tool belt at my house 1563 01:20:07.239 --> 01:20:08.779 and it was like a Friday. So he was going 1564 01:20:08.800 --> 01:20:10.510 out with his friends. I called me, can I come 1565 01:20:10.520 --> 01:20:12.449 back and get my tool belt? Yeah, of course you can. 1566 01:20:12.970 --> 01:20:15.170 You know, so he knocks on the door and it 1567 01:20:15.229 --> 01:20:17.510 was probably eight or nine o'clock at night. I'm watching 1568 01:20:17.529 --> 01:20:20.649 a little TV. It's dark outside, opens up the door 1569 01:20:20.750 --> 01:20:23.909 and then slams it really quickly. And at the same time, 1570 01:20:24.130 --> 01:20:26.689 I saw this little black smudge mark about the size 1571 01:20:26.710 --> 01:20:29.560 of a loaf of bread going across my wall. And 1572 01:20:29.680 --> 01:20:32.180 he shut the door because he thought it was a cat. 1573 01:20:32.619 --> 01:20:33.859 So he says to me, oh, you got a cat? 1574 01:20:34.489 --> 01:20:37.520 So he saw it too, right? So these things that 1575 01:20:37.560 --> 01:20:40.479 seem to become part of you or part of me 1576 01:20:40.539 --> 01:20:45.720 or part of someone else's life, it's like we become 1577 01:20:46.279 --> 01:20:51.869 a portal. We become something else. And you don't want 1578 01:20:51.890 --> 01:20:55.229 to sound like, oh, I've got all these abilities or whatever. 1579 01:20:55.390 --> 01:20:58.489 You do. I don't think that humans are all the same. 1580 01:20:58.829 --> 01:21:02.159 I think there's a race within a race. All right. 1581 01:21:02.239 --> 01:21:04.329 I don't, we're not all the same. I'll give you 1582 01:21:04.350 --> 01:21:07.630 an example. You've heard of the O negative blood group, right? Yeah. 1583 01:21:07.689 --> 01:21:08.710 My wife is one. 1584 01:21:10.010 --> 01:21:13.770 Okay. So she's probably super sensitive. Now I bet you, 1585 01:21:13.810 --> 01:21:18.430 if you take her temperature, it's 97.1 on a normal day, 1586 01:21:19.109 --> 01:21:20.680 probably two points below normal. 1587 01:21:21.420 --> 01:21:22.020 Probably. 1588 01:21:22.100 --> 01:21:26.100 Cause she's always cold. Well, me too. 1589 01:21:26.760 --> 01:21:31.800 So, um, Those with O negative blood, like 90% of them, 1590 01:21:32.119 --> 01:21:35.380 their bodies run to almost two points below normal. So 1591 01:21:35.479 --> 01:21:39.920 why would your blood type drive your body temperature? It 1592 01:21:39.939 --> 01:21:42.479 doesn't happen with B, you know, B plus, AB negative, 1593 01:21:43.000 --> 01:21:46.979 O negative. So... There has to be something to that. 1594 01:21:47.039 --> 01:21:50.939 Like no blood. She's a universal donor, right? Right. She 1595 01:21:50.960 --> 01:21:53.779 can give her blood to anybody. And nine members

of 1596 01:21:53.850 --> 01:21:56.569 our family are O negative and some of our A negative, 1597 01:21:56.609 --> 01:21:58.750 but most of us are O negative. It's just weird 1598 01:21:58.770 --> 01:22:01.390 that we also married spouses that were O negative. Very strange. 1599 01:22:01.859 --> 01:22:04.699 But back in Sheffield or Great Barrington, back when, you know, 1600 01:22:04.739 --> 01:22:08.119 this whole, well, ancient aliens did too, but we were 1601 01:22:08.159 --> 01:22:11.359 talking more about unsolved mysteries, the Berkshire's UFO thing. Something 1602 01:22:11.399 --> 01:22:14.760 else they didn't mention either was that O negative blood 1603 01:22:14.819 --> 01:22:17.770 was tracked by the U.S. government back in the 60s 1604 01:22:17.859 --> 01:22:22.449 because we were at war. So our family was also 1605 01:22:22.529 --> 01:22:25.369 tracked by the U.S. government because we were universal donors. 1606 01:22:26.770 --> 01:22:29.590 So anyone born in the 60s that had O negative 1607 01:22:29.630 --> 01:22:31.890 blood was tracked within the hospital, and it went to 1608 01:22:32.449 --> 01:22:36.069 our government. So they know everyone who's O negative. And 1609 01:22:36.170 --> 01:22:38.810 then we got all these facilities around us, all this 1610 01:22:38.850 --> 01:22:41.079 military around us, NORAD towers, all this crap going on, 1611 01:22:41.140 --> 01:22:43.359 space race, the whole bit. And here we are, these 1612 01:22:43.420 --> 01:22:46.359 two little kids in the back of my mom's car 1613 01:22:47.140 --> 01:22:48.159 in the middle of nowhere. 1614 01:22:48.180 --> 01:22:48.260 Yeah. 1615 01:22:49.340 --> 01:22:52.710 Yeah. So what were we part of? Now, was something 1616 01:22:52.770 --> 01:22:54.869 extracted from us? Was something like when you had those 1617 01:22:54.949 --> 01:22:58.489 packets put on my body that looked like raisins? Was 1618 01:22:58.550 --> 01:23:03.869 something exchanged? Did our body absorb something? You know, there 1619 01:23:03.909 --> 01:23:06.810 was something in those packets. Why would you put something 1620 01:23:06.869 --> 01:23:09.890 on someone's skin if it wasn't going to exude something 1621 01:23:09.970 --> 01:23:13.170 or extract something? Yeah. 1622 01:23:13.350 --> 01:23:16.250 What I find interesting about this conversation as me being 1623 01:23:16.289 --> 01:23:18.949 a seeker is that I know when I'm talking to 1624 01:23:18.989 --> 01:23:23.109 a fellow seeker, truth seeker, right? And I talked to, 1625 01:23:23.350 --> 01:23:27.069 you know, I've got over 450 something episodes. So I've 1626 01:23:27.090 --> 01:23:29.310 talked to a lot of people. And some of the 1627 01:23:29.350 --> 01:23:31.550 ones that seem to be really popular right now, they 1628 01:23:31.609 --> 01:23:36.859 seem to be, have similar stories, but they've become experts. 1629 01:23:37.020 --> 01:23:39.699 It seems like you have this story, I have a story, 1630 01:23:40.319 --> 01:23:42.659

but we have, we end up with more questions. Like 1631 01:23:42.720 --> 01:23:45.239 we should have a lot more answers. And so that 1632 01:23:45.310 --> 01:23:48.090 would sell better. People would come and listen to us 1633 01:23:48.170 --> 01:23:51.550 tell you Listen, I have people on here who have 1634 01:23:51.609 --> 01:23:54.479 similar stories, but then they're doing live streams telling you 1635 01:23:54.520 --> 01:23:59.260 how UFO propulsion, anti-gravity systems work, the diet that they 1636 01:23:59.300 --> 01:24:03.579 have on Mars, how their spirituality... And they got all 1637 01:24:03.600 --> 01:24:07.159 of this extra info that I'm like, I'm a seeker 1638 01:24:07.260 --> 01:24:11.199 and I've had a lot on everything. I've had a 1639 01:24:11.359 --> 01:24:14.329 lot of crazy stuff, but I'm left with more questions. 1640 01:24:14.989 --> 01:24:18.590 I'm left with more questions. So these people... There's a 1641 01:24:18.750 --> 01:24:25.130 lot of things that muddy the water. I'm asking you questions, 1642 01:24:25.329 --> 01:24:27.750 and many people have asked you questions, and you're in 1643 01:24:27.770 --> 01:24:31.659 a perfect position to say, yeah, those are the mantis 1644 01:24:31.699 --> 01:24:35.140 beings and the ant people and their distant relatives. They've 1645 01:24:35.159 --> 01:24:38.560 been here for 72,000 years. They live within the earth, 1646 01:24:38.800 --> 01:24:42.479 much like an ant. You're in a perfect position, and 1647 01:24:43.100 --> 01:24:45.600 these people come on my show and do that. I 1648 01:24:45.640 --> 01:24:47.340 think they're full of shit. I'm going to be honest 1649 01:24:47.359 --> 01:24:51.159 with you. But when you find somebody who's really seeking 1650 01:24:51.180 --> 01:24:52.699 and they're like, man, I don't know. I wish I 1651 01:24:52.720 --> 01:24:54.720 can tell you, I'm trying to find out, I'm gonna 1652 01:24:54.739 --> 01:24:56.979 put two and two together. I feel like you can 1653 01:24:57.020 --> 01:24:57.699 trust those people. 1654 01:24:58.859 --> 01:25:01.630 Yeah. That's why I don't overstate. That's why when I 1655 01:25:01.619 --> 01:25:03.789 first said, I, you know, I, uh, you know, we 1656 01:25:03.810 --> 01:25:07.930 were removed from the car. I don't know how, you know, um, 1657 01:25:08.409 --> 01:25:11.390 I'm not going to pretend I, that I know what, uh, 1658 01:25:12.090 --> 01:25:15.069 that ant looking thing was, was it alive? Uncanny valley? 1659 01:25:15.109 --> 01:25:17.869 I don't know. Um, But again, I don't know if 1660 01:25:17.909 --> 01:25:18.489 I need to know. 1661 01:25:18.510 --> 01:25:21.079 I know that I was there. I think that that's 1662 01:25:21.100 --> 01:25:23.779 the key. We want to know, but it's like. 1663 01:25:23.819 --> 01:25:26.060 Hold on. You sound like a damn prophet or something. 1664 01:25:26.079 --> 01:25:29.239 Like I know every frigging thing, you know, because I don't. 1665 01:25:29.619 --> 01:25:32.500 And I passed the polygraph test because I'm being honest 1666 01:25:32.539 --> 01:25:34.930 with myself. If I started running around going, yeah, they're, 1667 01:25:34.949 --> 01:25:37.010 you know, they've been around for 72,000 years. I'd fail 1668 01:25:37.029 --> 01:25:39.489 my polygraph test because I don't really know that, you know? 1669 01:25:39.770 --> 01:25:40.829 And what am I going to say next year? 1670 01:25:41.149 --> 01:25:45.189 What if you convinced yourself? What if you really convinced 1671 01:25:45.250 --> 01:25:47.699 yourself though? Like, cause I think that that could be 1672 01:25:47.739 --> 01:25:52.489 a thing too. Like some of these people, um, through trauma, 1673 01:25:53.390 --> 01:25:56.289 you know, there's a really, we're mentioning Netflix. There's a, 1674 01:25:56.329 --> 01:25:58.510 and I've been talking about this cause there's a really 1675 01:25:58.569 --> 01:26:04.689 interesting documentary called Misha and the wolves on Netflix. I 1676 01:26:04.770 --> 01:26:07.970 interview a couple of people and then I watched that documentary. 1677 01:26:08.069 --> 01:26:11.949 I'm like, Oh wow. That's, this explains everything. A woman 1678 01:26:11.989 --> 01:26:17.750 who was like, She had this story that she went 1679 01:26:17.770 --> 01:26:20.250 to a church and she's told this story that she 1680 01:26:20.850 --> 01:26:23.750 went to find her real parents. She was adopted at 1681 01:26:23.789 --> 01:26:29.409 seven years old and journeyed into Germany back as a 1682 01:26:29.470 --> 01:26:34.159 Jew across German lines to find her family. And she 1683 01:26:34.220 --> 01:26:37.000 was hungry and the wolves led her. The wolves took 1684 01:26:37.039 --> 01:26:40.899 her in and actually raised her and taught her and 1685 01:26:41.119 --> 01:26:44.329 helped her find try to find her parents, and she's, 1686 01:26:44.989 --> 01:26:47.069 I mean, she tells the story, she's told, she started 1687 01:26:47.090 --> 01:26:51.590 telling the story at a church, and everybody's crying, she 1688 01:26:51.609 --> 01:26:53.329 told the story, and then, so they ended up, they 1689 01:26:53.350 --> 01:26:55.989 ended up, somebody in the, in the, in the audience 1690 01:26:56.010 --> 01:26:58.510 was a publisher, and they're like, listen, man, this story is, 1691 01:26:59.090 --> 01:27:01.409 everybody's crying, we got to get you in the circuit, 1692 01:27:01.449 --> 01:27:04.060 we got to tell your story, and so they get 1693 01:27:04.069 --> 01:27:06.060 her a book deal, and she writes the story, and 1694 01:27:06.079 --> 01:27:08.710 then there's more details that come, and She can tell 1695 01:27:08.729 --> 01:27:11.470 you the spirituality of the wolves probably, you know, like 1696 01:27:11.649 --> 01:27:14.539 these other people I'm talking about. She goes on Oprah. 1697 01:27:15.000 --> 01:27:18.119 Oprah picks up her book for the Oprah book club 1698 01:27:18.180 --> 01:27:21.619 and it's freaking huge. She ends up.

1699 01:27:21.659 --> 01:27:22.279 Now it's a movie. 1700 01:27:22.880 --> 01:27:24.340 It is a movie. It does turn into a movie. 1701 01:27:24.899 --> 01:27:30.270 She ends up firing her publicist who and they would 1702 01:27:30.350 --> 01:27:32.750 take embezzling money and stuff because there was so much 1703 01:27:32.789 --> 01:27:35.659 money coming in. I think that they weren't giving the 1704 01:27:35.699 --> 01:27:38.260 receipts on all of the overseas money. Like they were 1705 01:27:38.279 --> 01:27:40.899 giving her the money from the U.S., but they were, 1706 01:27:41.420 --> 01:27:42.850 we don't know about Japan money, right? 1707 01:27:43.010 --> 01:27:43.590 You'll never know. 1708 01:27:44.590 --> 01:27:46.810 And so she found out and they fired her. And 1709 01:27:46.850 --> 01:27:48.189 then so they're like, hold on, we need to do 1710 01:27:48.229 --> 01:27:51.050 some more investigating because some of this stuff didn't sit right. 1711 01:27:51.569 --> 01:27:56.770 Ended up investigating and the lady knew her parents, right? And, 1712 01:27:56.909 --> 01:27:59.029 you know, they have pictures of her with her parents 1713 01:27:59.149 --> 01:28:02.510 and all this kind of stuff. Eventually, these people started. 1714 01:28:02.350 --> 01:28:03.149 Digging, digging, digging. 1715 01:28:03.170 --> 01:28:03.510 It was a lie? 1716 01:28:03.529 --> 01:28:04.590 The whole thing was a lie? 1717 01:28:04.630 --> 01:28:08.989 She was lying and eventually came clean. Eventually, eventually, eventually 1718 01:28:09.050 --> 01:28:09.710 came clean. 1719 01:28:09.729 --> 01:28:10.270 Wow. 1720 01:28:10.569 --> 01:28:16.489 Her parents were, her dad was captured by the Nazis 1721 01:28:17.159 --> 01:28:21.880 and ended up telling the Nazi officers where the Jewish 1722 01:28:22.460 --> 01:28:26.590 people were hiding underground, trying to flee. And so her 1723 01:28:26.770 --> 01:28:31.880 dad sold out the Jewish people and ended up torturing 1724 01:28:31.939 --> 01:28:34.880 him and he sold them out. And so her and 1725 01:28:34.920 --> 01:28:38.649 her family were hated. They were hated by, you know, 1726 01:28:38.689 --> 01:28:42.199 you're you're the daughter of the traitor. You're so there's like, 1727 01:28:42.279 --> 01:28:43.819 it wasn't that I don't know my family. 1728 01:28:43.859 --> 01:28:46.619 It's like, I don't, this is on Netflix. Yeah. 1729 01:28:46.939 --> 01:28:50.569 It's great. And so she ends up coming to say, yeah, 1730 01:28:50.590 --> 01:28:52.689 this is, I did make it up and it was 1731 01:28:52.729 --> 01:28:56.529 a response to trauma. I made it up and, you know, 1732 01:28:56.609 --> 01:28:58.890 as a response to trauma and it's like, And I 1733 01:28:58.930 --> 01:29:02.890 talked to these people on here and it's like, I'm 1734 01:29:02.909 --> 01:29:04.649 trying to go through the psyche of it. You know, 1735 01:29:04.670 --> 01:29:09.750 I'm like, why? Okay. You know, who was that? Like, 1736 01:29:09.829 --> 01:29:13.579 were you abducted at seven or was, you know, was 1737 01:29:13.600 --> 01:29:16.539 the neighbor a pedophile that moved in and he would 1738 01:29:16.579 --> 01:29:18.619 come in through the window and you made up a 1739 01:29:18.800 --> 01:29:22.670 story that projected your psyche somewhere else, right? We got to, 1740 01:29:23.760 --> 01:29:27.470 nothing's off the table, especially as seekers, right? From my stuff, 1741 01:29:27.510 --> 01:29:30.180 you know, I talk about four years old. Was it 1742 01:29:30.220 --> 01:29:33.079 Uncle So-and-so that came and pinned me down to the bed? Like, 1743 01:29:33.880 --> 01:29:35.720 I don't think it was. I don't have those memories. 1744 01:29:36.199 --> 01:29:39.840 These are my memories. But trauma, we create stories and 1745 01:29:39.859 --> 01:29:42.819 we fill in the gaps. So for us as. 1746 01:29:42.779 --> 01:29:47.380 Seekers, man. Individually, but when you've got a group or something, 1747 01:29:47.420 --> 01:29:49.819 that's a little bit different, you know. But at the 1748 01:29:49.840 --> 01:29:52.970 same time, you know, like I said earlier, we all 1749 01:29:53.010 --> 01:29:55.960 experience trauma. I mean, I've known people, you know, people 1750 01:29:55.979 --> 01:29:58.119 that have been mugged, you know, women that have been, 1751 01:29:58.520 --> 01:30:01.560 you know, forced into things they don't want to do. And, uh, 1752 01:30:02.220 --> 01:30:05.000 and so, like I said, you know, we, we just 1753 01:30:05.020 --> 01:30:07.960 had to move on and do our thing and, and, uh, 1754 01:30:08.579 --> 01:30:11.260 be successful, you know, finish school, you know, raise kids, 1755 01:30:11.279 --> 01:30:14.229 get married, you know, um, you can't let something hold 1756 01:30:14.270 --> 01:30:17.729 you back. Yeah. Um, and this wasn't something that, um, 1757 01:30:17.909 --> 01:30:20.350 I mean, we're all pretty successful, you know, like I said, my, 1758 01:30:20.750 --> 01:30:23.149 my mother was a radio personality. She was a morning 1759 01:30:23.229 --> 01:30:26.470 personality for WKZ and she was like a, Dad was 1760 01:30:26.510 --> 01:30:29.229 a lawyer and a politician. My mom owned a restaurant. 1761 01:30:29.310 --> 01:30:34.720 I owned a modeling agency in South Beach, Florida. It 1762 01:30:34.779 --> 01:30:38.670 wasn't like we wanted the limelight. I didn't need that. 1763 01:30:40.529 --> 01:30:42.909 It's not like there's any money in it anyway. I 1764 01:30:43.770 --> 01:30:46.029 got a limo company right now. Some people say to me, 1765 01:30:46.029 --> 01:30:48.130 why don't you come to my conference? I'm like, well, 1766 01:30:48.149 --> 01:30:51.829 I would, but I rent my limo out on weekends 1767 01:30:51.850 --> 01:30:54.489 for $ 100 an hour. So if I rent it on 1768 01:30:54.729 --> 01:30:57.470 Friday and Saturday for three or four hours a pop, 1769 01:30:57.510 --> 01:31:00.109 I'm getting 800 bucks this weekend just renting

out my limo. 1770 01:31:00.710 --> 01:31:03.989 When I could go to a conference and you're giving 1771 01:31:04.029 --> 01:31:06.890 me a $ 200 or $ 300 honorarium, I'm actually losing money. 1772 01:31:08.149 --> 01:31:11.250 to you know so i'm like you know financially i 1773 01:31:11.270 --> 01:31:13.590 mean these are tough times too right so yeah you 1774 01:31:13.609 --> 01:31:16.590 know um you know there's not like there's money in 1775 01:31:16.630 --> 01:31:20.350 this you know there's no matter of fact i had 1776 01:31:20.369 --> 01:31:21.869 that park i started you know the. 1777 01:31:21.880 --> 01:31:25.399 Ufo monument yeah we didn't talk about that yeah yeah i. 1778 01:31:25.380 --> 01:31:28.800 Mean that cost me money to maintain to mow for 1779 01:31:28.840 --> 01:31:31.680 mulch the trimming you know someone's got to pay for 1780 01:31:31.699 --> 01:31:34.050 that And I've got a lot of volunteers who help, 1781 01:31:34.449 --> 01:31:36.369 you know, Ryan, Morgan, Terry, they take care of the 1782 01:31:36.409 --> 01:31:39.220 park as best they can. But, you know, I still 1783 01:31:39.560 --> 01:31:41.340 throw them a few hundred dollars here and there, you know, 1784 01:31:41.359 --> 01:31:44.539 whatever I can do to to, you know, help them out. 1785 01:31:44.640 --> 01:31:48.300 But it's not like like you, you're not raking in 1786 01:31:48.319 --> 01:31:51.640 the money and doing podcasts or interviews and things like that. 1787 01:31:51.680 --> 01:31:55.149 I mean, it's not like you really got to. ask yourself, 1788 01:31:55.189 --> 01:31:57.229 you know, is this really worth my time? You know, 1789 01:31:57.250 --> 01:32:00.649 am I really going to reach people? So I do 1790 01:32:00.689 --> 01:32:04.310 this because it's important to me to, to say, look, 1791 01:32:04.350 --> 01:32:07.539 this is a real phenomenon. You know, I'm not here 1792 01:32:07.619 --> 01:32:10.340 for any other reason than to say, look, you're not alone. 1793 01:32:11.119 --> 01:32:13.319 You know, that park that I have is it's a 1794 01:32:13.420 --> 01:32:16.359 judgment free park and it's free to the public. I 1795 01:32:16.399 --> 01:32:19.260 don't make money on it. It costs me money, but 1796 01:32:19.279 --> 01:32:22.300 I want to have a spot where people can go 1797 01:32:22.319 --> 01:32:25.159 and not be judged. Like my parents had, it's like 1798 01:32:25.180 --> 01:32:28.000 an extension of my parents' diner, that judgment-free diner. 1799 01:32:28.020 --> 01:32:28.600 There you go. 1800 01:32:28.680 --> 01:32:32.420 I don't care what you're into. I don't care what 1801 01:32:32.439 --> 01:32:37.649 your preference is. We've all had adversity. We've all been 1802 01:32:37.689 --> 01:32:41.350 a victim of something. And for those who saw something 1803 01:32:41.390 --> 01:32:43.789 or been part of something like yourself, here you go. 1804 01:32:44.149 --> 01:32:46.229 Here's a place where you can all meet my life. 1805 01:32:47.880 --> 01:32:49.800 like-minded people. 1806 01:32:49.819 --> 01:32:55.840 That's what I did on digital. Podcasting. You're doing it physically. 1807 01:32:56.220 --> 01:32:57.770 You got a podcast as well, right? 1808 01:32:58.850 --> 01:33:00.409 Yeah, Interspace TV. 1809 01:33:01.789 --> 01:33:06.350 Like I said, the... It's a little different. 1810 01:33:06.430 --> 01:33:07.829 We drink. We do cheers. 1811 01:33:08.529 --> 01:33:12.149 I'll drink with you. Listen. People will probably love it. 1812 01:33:12.170 --> 01:33:13.970 Let's do it. I'll drink with you. Let's do it. 1813 01:33:14.470 --> 01:33:15.409 Right here. 1814 01:33:16.579 --> 01:33:19.359 Well, it's, you know, the cool thing is when other 1815 01:33:19.399 --> 01:33:21.880 people have that experience, because now I know I'm not crazy. 1816 01:33:22.119 --> 01:33:24.420 It wasn't just me. Listen, a lot of my experiences 1817 01:33:24.460 --> 01:33:27.279 were by myself. And eventually the rational mind comes in 1818 01:33:27.319 --> 01:33:29.699 and tries to explain it away. But when you got 1819 01:33:29.880 --> 01:33:32.859 other people who have had that same experience with you 1820 01:33:32.979 --> 01:33:34.770 at the same time, then you're like, hold on, we 1821 01:33:34.810 --> 01:33:38.810 can't just, it wasn't just me. So I mentioned, you know, 1822 01:33:38.850 --> 01:33:42.390 my cousin and we had so many experiences together. He's 1823 01:33:42.449 --> 01:33:45.869 never talked about it. Like, I'm like, dude, come on 1824 01:33:45.909 --> 01:33:49.449 my podcast, even just for me. Like, let me roll 1825 01:33:49.770 --> 01:33:52.909 what am I adding to the story? Like, I've never 1826 01:33:52.949 --> 01:33:55.609 even had to have those conversations. I'm writing books about this. 1827 01:33:55.649 --> 01:33:59.189 I'm doing, I'm sending my music. Like, you would think 1828 01:33:59.229 --> 01:34:00.609 that he would come on and say, yeah, we had 1829 01:34:00.649 --> 01:34:03.609 that experience and we want to get our story. He doesn't, 1830 01:34:04.310 --> 01:34:06.060 he just forgets, he rules it out of his head 1831 01:34:06.100 --> 01:34:08.149 and forgets about it. It's so weird how some people 1832 01:34:08.180 --> 01:34:08.449 do that. 1833 01:34:09.000 --> 01:34:10.369 He doesn't want to, he can't accept it. 1834 01:34:10.819 --> 01:34:11.840 Yeah, it's so strange. 1835 01:34:11.880 --> 01:34:14.229 He doesn't want to think about it. Yeah. My brother 1836 01:34:14.260 --> 01:34:18.119 was like that too. My brother, you know, he was, uh, very, um, 1837 01:34:18.960 --> 01:34:23.159 you know, open about what happened and, and, uh, uh, just, uh, 1838 01:34:23.819 --> 01:34:28.000 used to talk actually more, more than I did, you know? Um, 1839 01:34:28.470 --> 01:34:33.029 and now, uh, he just, he's done, you know, he's just, uh, 1840 01:34:33.130 --> 01:34:35.710 doesn't matter anymore. You know, like I've got the park 1841 01:34:35.750 --> 01:34:37.800 and I'm

trying to do some, some things to, uh, 1842 01:34:38.590 --> 01:34:40.590 in memory of my late father, kind of the pay 1843 01:34:40.649 --> 01:34:43.210 tribute to him too, that's what the park's about. but 1844 01:34:43.250 --> 01:34:48.069 my brother's like, um, you know, nobody, nobody cares, you know, um, 1845 01:34:48.729 --> 01:34:52.250 I've got better things to do. Uh, you know, um, 1846 01:34:52.289 --> 01:34:55.979 we've said everything we can possibly say. We've taken policy tests. 1847 01:34:56.000 --> 01:34:58.199 We've done it all. What more do you want from us? 1848 01:34:58.720 --> 01:35:02.699 And he's like, you know, you know, so he stepped aside, um, 1849 01:35:02.819 --> 01:35:04.979 and he won't, he won't do another show with me. 1850 01:35:05.039 --> 01:35:06.720 He was the last show he did. I think, uh, 1851 01:35:07.430 --> 01:35:10.210 he was on, uh, uh, what was it? Uh, it 1852 01:35:10.250 --> 01:35:14.340 was a science channel or travel. And, uh, Yeah, you know, 1853 01:35:14.880 --> 01:35:17.520 that really bothers him too, and this is unfortunate, that 1854 01:35:17.539 --> 01:35:20.689 a lot of these shows, they don't do you right. 1855 01:35:21.250 --> 01:35:22.590 You hear that a lot. 1856 01:35:22.689 --> 01:35:26.750 Even on Soul Mysteries. They didn't show the documents from 1857 01:35:26.770 --> 01:35:29.050 the governor. They didn't show that it was inducted into 1858 01:35:29.090 --> 01:35:32.760 state by the historical society in the state of Massachusetts, 1859 01:35:32.779 --> 01:35:35.579 the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, then sealed by a circuit court 1860 01:35:35.619 --> 01:35:38.319 judge making these records a memorandum of law in uncontested 1861 01:35:38.359 --> 01:35:42.369 legal documents. They didn't show any of that. Nothing. You know, 1862 01:35:42.430 --> 01:35:46.510 so now I watch Unsolved Mysteries, for instance, and I go, 1863 01:35:46.930 --> 01:35:49.560 you spun that any way you wanted to. Yeah. Because 1864 01:35:49.619 --> 01:35:49.960 it's not. 1865 01:35:50.220 --> 01:35:53.439 We're trying to watch it thinking that it was the 1866 01:35:53.479 --> 01:35:56.819 show from the 80s and 90s and we're watching the reboot. 1867 01:35:58.479 --> 01:36:02.119 But I'm glad I'm, you know, the music and the 1868 01:36:02.159 --> 01:36:05.289 way it was shot, like that they did a good 1869 01:36:05.329 --> 01:36:07.289 job on that. Now, as far as putting all the 1870 01:36:07.369 --> 01:36:09.670 details in it. Like, if there was just a feature 1871 01:36:09.750 --> 01:36:11.590 you got, like, there was a lot more that you 1872 01:36:11.609 --> 01:36:13.989 can add to it. But I'm glad I saw it. 1873 01:36:14.010 --> 01:36:16.310 You know, I'm glad I got to meet you. I'm 1874 01:36:16.430 --> 01:36:19.130 glad that your name came across my desk and I 1875 01:36:19.409 --> 01:36:22.239 recognized it. And your picture, even, dude, I'm telling you, 1876 01:36:22.250 --> 01:36:26.670 your picture. Like, anybody else from the show, I wouldn't 1877 01:36:26.710 --> 01:36:30.500 have remembered their face. But you... stood out and I'm like, 1878 01:36:30.720 --> 01:36:32.899 Oh yeah, let's do it for sure. So I'm glad 1879 01:36:32.920 --> 01:36:34.520 we did. I'm glad we had this talk. 1880 01:36:34.979 --> 01:36:38.420 Yeah, absolutely. And, and, uh, if you, uh, you know, 1881 01:36:38.439 --> 01:36:40.319 my website, right? UFO park.org. 1882 01:36:40.720 --> 01:36:40.859 Yeah. 1883 01:36:40.880 --> 01:36:42.279 We'll put it in the show notes as well. 1884 01:36:43.390 --> 01:36:46.850 If you go to that to videos, the best show 1885 01:36:47.029 --> 01:36:49.590 ever done on our case, which talks about my father, 1886 01:36:49.670 --> 01:36:53.279 the politics, his loss of life, how it got inducted 1887 01:36:53.319 --> 01:36:56.140 was Travel Channel. It was shot about nine months ago 1888 01:36:56.380 --> 01:36:57.460 or came out about nine months ago. 1889 01:36:57.479 --> 01:36:58.000 I see it right here. 1890 01:36:58.020 --> 01:37:02.630 And it blew Unsolved Mysteries away. And then you've got the, 1891 01:37:03.010 --> 01:37:07.050 you know, the Ancient Aliens episode two. That talks about the, 1892 01:37:07.829 --> 01:37:11.609 you know, the governor of Massachusetts and how this got 1893 01:37:11.670 --> 01:37:15.130 inducted into state. And the one show that you would go, oh, 1894 01:37:15.840 --> 01:37:18.260 you know, Unsolved Mysteries is going to do it. And 1895 01:37:18.279 --> 01:37:21.779 they leave it all out, right? You're like, Yeah. You 1896 01:37:21.800 --> 01:37:23.520 should have seen the people's faces. Cause a lot of 1897 01:37:23.560 --> 01:37:27.050 people in like Massachusetts and the Berkshires that were witnesses 1898 01:37:27.090 --> 01:37:28.529 to this thing, you know, all those kids that came 1899 01:37:28.550 --> 01:37:30.229 in a diner, all those kids that are like 50 1900 01:37:30.229 --> 01:37:32.390 and 60 years old right now, they're like, oh yeah, 1901 01:37:32.409 --> 01:37:34.590 this got inducted. And we can't wait to see the episode. 1902 01:37:34.630 --> 01:37:38.829 And they're like, where's the documentation? You know, they're like, 1903 01:37:39.050 --> 01:37:42.390 this is so a lot of people lost a lot 1904 01:37:42.430 --> 01:37:46.720 of respect because they have to ask themselves now, well, 1905 01:37:46.729 --> 01:37:49.180 how many other shows did they, did they sell short? 1906 01:37:51.069 --> 01:37:55.970 Well, are you familiar with Travis Walton in Fire in 1907 01:37:55.989 --> 01:37:58.850 the Sky? I know you know the movie, but do 1908 01:37:58.869 --> 01:38:00.869 you know where his stance on that is now? 1909 01:38:01.029 --> 01:38:04.409 Yeah, of course. He comes to my house. As a 1910 01:38:04.510 --> 01:38:05.590 matter of fact, he sat on. 1911 01:38:05.569 --> 01:38:08.250 A red sofa behind me. I've seen those pictures. I've 1912 01:38:08.270 --> 01:38:09.569 seen

those pictures. Oh, did you? 1913 01:38:09.609 --> 01:38:10.409 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1914 01:38:11.109 --> 01:38:12.220 Did you really? 1915 01:38:12.270 --> 01:38:12.399 Yeah. 1916 01:38:12.439 --> 01:38:16.359 Yeah, so his story is totally different, at least now, 1917 01:38:16.500 --> 01:38:19.859 from what they showed on television, you know? 1918 01:38:20.760 --> 01:38:23.260 Oh, yeah. They do the same thing. They take somebody's story. 1919 01:38:23.920 --> 01:38:24.960 Dramatize it. 1920 01:38:26.060 --> 01:38:31.100 Yeah, but this is like the real life. occurrence is 1921 01:38:31.199 --> 01:38:35.319 more interesting than the spin you put on it, right? 1922 01:38:35.380 --> 01:38:38.319 Because it's like. If you look at the shows they've 1923 01:38:38.340 --> 01:38:41.680 done on us, they show the UFO thing comes over 1924 01:38:41.720 --> 01:38:45.199 the car, the car lights up. I mean, that's real original, right? 1925 01:38:45.579 --> 01:38:48.100 And then they leave out all the documents. They leave 1926 01:38:48.119 --> 01:38:50.920 out all the things that matter about the family members 1927 01:38:50.960 --> 01:38:55.460 being in reverse seats, which kind of implies human error maybe, 1928 01:38:55.819 --> 01:38:59.229 the ignition being off, all the things, all the little things, 1929 01:38:59.289 --> 01:39:01.529 all the detail that you'll look at and you go, 1930 01:39:02.010 --> 01:39:04.979 why would you leave that out? You know, the size 1931 01:39:05.039 --> 01:39:08.720 of the craft, you know, like even ancient aliens only 1932 01:39:08.779 --> 01:39:15.039 showed one craft, the white orb. There were three that day. Three. Yeah. 1933 01:39:15.100 --> 01:39:17.300 There was the main one and those two orbs. Why 1934 01:39:17.340 --> 01:39:19.920 would you only show one? That's not what happened. And 1935 01:39:19.960 --> 01:39:22.960 they showed it stopping our car. It never stopped our car. 1936 01:39:23.359 --> 01:39:26.319 We stopped the car. And then you've got Discovery Channel, 1937 01:39:26.359 --> 01:39:29.789 which shows like this flying strip mall going over our car. 1938 01:39:30.210 --> 01:39:33.180 No craft went over our car. It went behind the trees. 1939 01:39:33.199 --> 01:39:34.899 They were all off to the left or the right. 1940 01:39:35.420 --> 01:39:38.079 We drove between them. It didn't go over our car. 1941 01:39:38.699 --> 01:39:44.149 So then you see unsolved mysteries, right? And, you know, 1942 01:39:45.710 --> 01:39:48.029 and now you're like, okay, so. 1943 01:39:48.250 --> 01:39:53.109 So they may try to, they may, like some people 1944 01:39:53.130 --> 01:39:54.760 may try to pin it on you. He's telling people 1945 01:39:54.800 --> 01:39:56.859 different stories. Like, hold on. What do you mean? Like, 1946 01:39:56.880 --> 01:39:57.119 you know? 1947 01:39:57.930 --> 01:40:01.319 Yeah, yeah. That's why I'm writing a book, too. Yeah. 1948 01:40:01.520 --> 01:40:02.119 There you go. 1949 01:40:02.560

--> 01:40:04.720 And like Mike Barr from Ancient Aliens is a good 1950 01:40:04.760 --> 01:40:06.600 friend of mine, too. He was at the park. He 1951 01:40:06.640 --> 01:40:09.399 interviewed me about this. And he was kind of shaking 1952 01:40:09.439 --> 01:40:12.449 his head, too. Why did they do that? So, you know, 1953 01:40:12.510 --> 01:40:16.409 that's when my brother says, forget it, because there's no point. 1954 01:40:16.689 --> 01:40:20.510 They don't treat it fairly. They don't portray what happened honestly. 1955 01:40:21.010 --> 01:40:22.390 And he's like, if you want to write a book, 1956 01:40:22.550 --> 01:40:24.170 I'm with you on writing a book because we need 1957 01:40:24.189 --> 01:40:28.029 to preserve what really happened. But to give other– and 1958 01:40:28.050 --> 01:40:30.130 you have to sign away moral rights. You do a film. 1959 01:40:30.170 --> 01:40:32.369 You sign away. They can turn it into an alien 1960 01:40:32.409 --> 01:40:34.369 porn film if they wanted to. They have no right. 1961 01:40:34.409 --> 01:40:35.869 They can do whatever they want with it. You're like, 1962 01:40:35.909 --> 01:40:38.409 oh my god, right? And there's nothing you can do 1963 01:40:38.729 --> 01:40:43.229 because you signed away moral rights. You gave them full control. 1964 01:40:43.689 --> 01:40:45.920 They can do anything they want with it, and there's 1965 01:40:45.939 --> 01:40:48.229 nothing you can do. They can tell you we're going 1966 01:40:48.250 --> 01:40:49.510 to do this or we're going to do that or 1967 01:40:49.529 --> 01:40:52.729 we're going to treat it right. Once you sign away 1968 01:40:52.789 --> 01:40:57.210 moral rights, it's over. And that's kind of why we 1969 01:40:57.430 --> 01:40:59.390 have kind of backed off a little bit. And that's, 1970 01:40:59.409 --> 01:41:01.789 I think, why we're so disappointed in Unsolved Mysteries because 1971 01:41:01.850 --> 01:41:04.270 it wasn't like it was some stupid show on Spike. 1972 01:41:04.289 --> 01:41:07.170 This was Unsolved Mysteries. I mean if. 1973 01:41:07.130 --> 01:41:08.729 There's one show that should have done it right, it's 1974 01:41:08.760 --> 01:41:10.270 Unsolved Mysteries. It's got a lot to live up to, yeah. 1975 01:41:11.250 --> 01:41:14.430 Yeah, and they had a good film crew, and production 1976 01:41:14.449 --> 01:41:16.550 was great. The people we worked with were fantastic, but 1977 01:41:16.590 --> 01:41:21.029 whoever edited that, Jesus, it was, yeah. Matter of fact, 1978 01:41:21.060 --> 01:41:22.800 if you want some more people on from the show, 1979 01:41:23.260 --> 01:41:23.930 I can hook you up. 1980 01:41:24.720 --> 01:41:27.439 Yeah, man. Yeah. Sure. 1981 01:41:27.840 --> 01:41:29.840 Melanie, Melanie's awesome. 1982 01:41:30.899 --> 01:41:33.119 Yeah. Yeah, any of your friends who are in the 1983 01:41:33.159 --> 01:41:35.239 circuit and they want to talk about it, for sure, man. 1984 01:41:35.270 --> 01:41:38.779 Like I said, I'm a

student, and I just... you know, 1985 01:41:38.819 --> 01:41:41.359 these stories intrigue me and we're trying to put two 1986 01:41:41.399 --> 01:41:44.119 and two together. And, and most likely it's a lot 1987 01:41:44.159 --> 01:41:46.420 of different stuff that's happening at once. And that's kind 1988 01:41:46.439 --> 01:41:48.729 of what muddies the water too. Right. So just to 1989 01:41:48.770 --> 01:41:51.750 say like, these are beings that come here from the Pleiades. Well, 1990 01:41:51.829 --> 01:41:53.489 you got that. But then they also, these other ones, 1991 01:41:53.890 --> 01:41:56.029 other ones coming out of, you know, the fifth dimension, 1992 01:41:56.630 --> 01:41:59.250 that's how they get here. Right. You know? So. 1993 01:41:59.869 --> 01:42:01.710 It's like, how do you really know? You know, it's 1994 01:42:01.750 --> 01:42:05.449 kind of like, you know, if, if you're, uh, yeah. Um, 1995 01:42:06.449 --> 01:42:08.850 you know, kind of told that or feel that, or, 1996 01:42:08.869 --> 01:42:10.210 you know, um. 1997 01:42:10.470 --> 01:42:13.010 I should be an expert. I think, I think I 1998 01:42:13.050 --> 01:42:16.250 should be, and I don't know anything and I know 1999 01:42:16.289 --> 01:42:18.829 a lot, but it's, it's slippery. 2000 01:42:19.970 --> 01:42:22.829 Well, it's smarter to say, you know, like if someone 2001 01:42:22.890 --> 01:42:24.979 asks me what I think, I'm going to tell you 2002 01:42:24.989 --> 01:42:27.720 what I feel. I'm not going to, I'm not going 2003 01:42:27.739 --> 01:42:30.300 to take a stance and say, I know, because I 2004 01:42:30.380 --> 01:42:30.720 don't know. 2005 01:42:31.600 --> 01:42:34.239 You know, and all, and, and, and like all my writings, 2006 01:42:34.300 --> 01:42:35.779 cause I wrote a book. It's in my, all the 2007 01:42:35.800 --> 01:42:39.119 stuff's in my book. I write blogs and I always 2008 01:42:39.300 --> 01:42:44.010 lead with, it is believed. I mean, it's like every other, 2009 01:42:44.109 --> 01:42:47.329 every other paragraph. It is believed by some that these beings, 2010 01:42:47.430 --> 01:42:49.729 it is believed that they are this, it is believed. 2011 01:42:49.829 --> 01:42:52.649 So I'm not giving you that as a matter of fact, 2012 01:42:52.710 --> 01:42:54.810 they are coming from the fifth dimension. 2013 01:42:55.310 --> 01:42:57.789 Right. Cause that, that's a red flag, you know? 2014 01:42:59.189 --> 01:43:01.289 For me, for any, any student it should be. 2015 01:43:02.770 --> 01:43:06.789 Right. So telepathically, maybe there are things that I, I 2016 01:43:06.890 --> 01:43:09.229 sense or feel or know to be true. Like the 2017 01:43:09.270 --> 01:43:12.880 fact that our, our, our earths are, you know, galaxies arc. 2018 01:43:13.479 --> 01:43:16.340 I don't know why I know that or feel that. 2019 01:43:17.039 --> 01:43:19.399 I don't know why, but I do, but I'm not 2020 01:43:19.420 --> 01:43:21.020 going to say, I know that to be a fact 2021

01:43:21.670 --> 01:43:24.029 I'm going to, you know, but I, for some reason I've, 2022 01:43:24.149 --> 01:43:26.229 I've felt that since I was a little kid, you know, 2023 01:43:26.470 --> 01:43:27.850 like when I, you know, I, you know, I had 2024 01:43:27.890 --> 01:43:30.310 a modeling agency, right. Or a talent agency in Florida. Yeah. 2025 01:43:31.159 --> 01:43:34.840 I got that because of this incident because I ended 2026 01:43:34.920 --> 01:43:37.210 up wanting an Instamatic camera. I got a camera for 2027 01:43:37.250 --> 01:43:39.029 my birthday because if I ever see it again, I'm 2028 01:43:39.050 --> 01:43:40.649 going to get a picture of it, right? And so 2029 01:43:40.670 --> 01:43:43.350 my mom got me a camera. And so then in school, I, 2030 01:43:43.489 --> 01:43:45.460 you know, the photography club, but then I became a, 2031 01:43:45.449 --> 01:43:48.350 you know, I was trained by, you know, Penthouse, Omni 2032 01:43:48.380 --> 01:43:49.880 Penthouse in New York for a little while. Then I 2033 01:43:49.920 --> 01:43:55.079 became a photographer for, you know, Northeast concerts and, you know, 2034 01:43:55.260 --> 01:43:56.760 Club Med and that kind of thing. And then I 2035 01:43:56.819 --> 01:43:58.819 ended up opening up an agency. And if I never 2036 01:43:58.899 --> 01:44:02.149 saw that UFO, I probably wouldn't have pushed my mom 2037 01:44:02.189 --> 01:44:05.510 for a camera. Yeah. Who knows what I'd be doing. 2038 01:44:05.550 --> 01:44:07.430 I mean, you know, lawn care, vehicle maintenance, I don't 2039 01:44:07.449 --> 01:44:10.390 know what I'd be doing, but my career would have changed. 2040 01:44:10.850 --> 01:44:13.970 So I don't look at this as a bad thing. Yeah. 2041 01:44:14.289 --> 01:44:18.060 I was exposed to something that, uh, altered my life, 2042 01:44:18.680 --> 01:44:21.920 became part of my life and I welcome it. And 2043 01:44:22.039 --> 01:44:24.680 I don't, um, unfortunately we went through a tough time 2044 01:44:24.739 --> 01:44:26.659 as kids. You know, we did a lot of fights. 2045 01:44:26.739 --> 01:44:30.170 My mom took a lot of grief, but you know, um, 2046 01:44:31.100 --> 01:44:33.659 we were part of something. 2047 01:44:34.039 --> 01:44:35.819 Yeah. 2048 01:44:36.600 --> 01:44:37.630 And I'm glad I was part of it. 2049 01:44:37.960 --> 01:44:39.329 And you're still here to talk about it. 2050 01:44:39.390 --> 01:44:39.739 Yeah. 2051 01:44:39.770 --> 01:44:41.149 And there's a lot more to uncover. 2052 01:44:41.170 --> 01:44:43.250 Yeah, there sure is. 2053 01:44:43.729 --> 01:44:46.350 Tom, I enjoyed this conversation, man. Thank you for coming 2054 01:44:46.510 --> 01:44:49.909 on and hanging out with me, sharing your story. Where 2055 01:44:50.090 --> 01:44:54.409 can people follow you? more of your work, your podcast, 2056 01:44:54.590 --> 01:44:57.579 and get the scoop on what actually happened. 2057 01:44:58.220 --> 01:45:01.800 Yeah, I would say the best website is going to 2058 01:45:01.840 --> 01:45:05.399 be ufopark.org. A lot of people do. com. It's. 2059 01:45:05.640 --> 01:45:05.800 Org. 2060 01:45:06.159 --> 01:45:11.090 Ufopark.org. And you can see all the documents. You can 2061 01:45:11.130 --> 01:45:12.649 see the stuff from the UN. You can see the 2062 01:45:12.689 --> 01:45:16.470 letters from the governor. You can see the shows from 2063 01:45:17.470 --> 01:45:21.420 Travel Channel, Ancient Aliens, whatever. And that's really the best 2064 01:45:21.460 --> 01:45:23.260 source because I put the best stuff there. I put 2065 01:45:23.359 --> 01:45:28.039 what's actually true there. By the way, I was written 2066 01:45:28.079 --> 01:45:30.619 up by Men's Health. If you saw me, you'd be like, really? 2067 01:45:32.899 --> 01:45:35.590 I put on like 30 pounds during COVID, right? So 2068 01:45:35.989 --> 01:45:40.710 here I am on Men's Health. But yeah, that's the best, 2069 01:45:40.949 --> 01:45:45.789 the site. And I do have InterspaceTV.com, which is a 2070 01:45:45.810 --> 01:45:48.920 little podcast that I have. And yeah, maybe you can 2071 01:45:48.939 --> 01:45:49.800 come on my show now. 2072 01:45:50.140 --> 01:45:52.199 Let's make it happen. I want to do it. 2073 01:45:52.239 --> 01:45:55.800 Yeah. And if you want Melanie from Unsolved Mysteries or 2074 01:45:55.819 --> 01:45:57.899 you name it, let me know. I can hook you 2075 01:45:57.920 --> 01:46:00.800 up with some guests. But yeah, I appreciate you having 2076 01:46:00.840 --> 01:46:03.470 me on. It was a nice talk. I'm tired. I'm exhausted. 2077 01:46:03.479 --> 01:46:06.069 My house flooded, which you know. And I've gotten like 2078 01:46:06.090 --> 01:46:10.310 three hours sleep last night. But anyway, I wish I 2079 01:46:10.329 --> 01:46:12.250 could show you the house. I haven't had a kitchen 2080 01:46:12.289 --> 01:46:14.489 in nine months. I've been living out of a microwave oven. 2081 01:46:15.409 --> 01:46:15.949 Wow. 2082 01:46:16.529 --> 01:46:23.359 Wendy's? Wendy's subway for nine freaking months, man. Yeah. So, uh, 2083 01:46:23.760 --> 01:46:26.890 but anyway, uh, once again, thanks for, yeah, man, I 2084 01:46:26.909 --> 01:46:27.510 really appreciate it. 2085 01:46:27.529 --> 01:46:29.510 Thank you for coming on. And, uh, and I know, 2086 01:46:29.630 --> 01:46:32.390 you know, we mentioned some stuff about back in technology 2087 01:46:32.470 --> 01:46:35.590 stuff and, uh, just, you know, um, email me, you 2088 01:46:35.609 --> 01:46:37.789 gave me your number, I'll hit you up and, uh, 2089 01:46:37.850 --> 01:46:39.779 you know, we'll trade ideas and stuff like that too. 2090 01:46:39.840 --> 01:46:40.579 So for sure. 2091 01:46:41.199 --> 01:46:43.060 Yeah. Very good. If you've got an interesting guest, let 2092 01:46:43.100 --> 01:46:44.100 me know and vice versa. 2093 01:46:44.739 --> 01:46:45.039 Plenty. 2094 01:46:45.319 --> 01:46:47.420 I got plenty. I want to talk to you about 2095 01:46:48.060 --> 01:46:49.479

that program, whatever it is. 2096 01:46:49.520 --> 01:46:52.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, we'll talk 2097 01:46:52.039 --> 01:46:52.380 about that. 2098 01:46:52.439 --> 01:46:55.340 All right. Sounds good. Take care. Thank you so much. 2099 01:46:55.359 --> 01:46:57.140 All right. Thank you, Tom. Have a good night, brother. 2100 01:46:57.180 --> 01:46:58.479 Thank you. Peace, peace. 2101 01:46:58.619 --> 01:46:59.859 You too, buddy. Bye-bye. Good night. 2102 01:47:00.640 --> 01:47:09.130 Tom Reed, ladies and gentlemen. Not only from Netflix's Unsolved Mysteries. Netflix's. 2103 01:47:09.829 --> 01:47:12.510 How do you say that? Netflix. I don't know. 2104 01:47:12.609 --> 01:47:12.909 Plural? 2105 01:47:15.029 --> 01:47:20.470 Not plural, the ownership from the Netflix series, Netflix reboot, 2106 01:47:21.250 --> 01:47:27.729 Unsolved Mysteries. It was shot really good. The music's pretty cool. 2107 01:47:29.369 --> 01:47:32.890 I don't know. Aliens are pretty cool, I guess. Yeah, 2108 01:47:33.609 --> 01:47:37.369 I enjoyed it. And like I said, anybody else from 2109 01:47:37.390 --> 01:47:39.529 the show, like even he's, you know, hey, you know, 2110 01:47:39.949 --> 01:47:44.920 Melanie and these other people, like, I wouldn't have remembered him. 2111 01:47:44.979 --> 01:47:45.659 I remember him. 2112 01:47:46.520 --> 01:47:50.039 So my, you know, one of my my assistant, Maria, 2113 01:47:50.399 --> 01:47:52.579 reached out and started doing her research. I was like, hey, 2114 01:47:52.600 --> 01:47:56.609 let's get this guy. Sure thing. Cool talk. Good job, Maria. 2115 01:47:56.689 --> 01:48:00.409 I enjoyed this talk. And I'm pretty sure any armchair 2116 01:48:00.449 --> 01:48:05.390 investigators out there as well who are, you know, following you, 2117 01:48:06.380 --> 01:48:10.779 following ufology, follow ufology. who are following ufology or who 2118 01:48:10.840 --> 01:48:15.229 are students of the paranormal, of the metaphysical, some of 2119 01:48:15.270 --> 01:48:18.409 these things do overlap for sure. And I know you 2120 01:48:18.430 --> 01:48:22.310 guys enjoyed this episode as well. So, man, many thanks 2121 01:48:22.489 --> 01:48:24.590 for those of you who made it through to the end. 2122 01:48:24.630 --> 01:48:27.069 We just uploaded a bunch of episodes. I've been busy. 2123 01:48:27.109 --> 01:48:29.939 I've been busy. So I think I just batched out, 2124 01:48:29.979 --> 01:48:32.260 for those of you listening on the podcasting apps, like 2125 01:48:32.699 --> 01:48:35.539 five episodes back to, like not back to back, in 2126 01:48:35.579 --> 01:48:39.560 a day, like almost instantly they were uploaded. Um, so 2127 01:48:39.600 --> 01:48:40.979 make sure you don't miss any of those. There was 2128 01:48:41.010 --> 01:48:43.399 some really good talks. We got deep in some of 2129 01:48:43.430 --> 01:48:46.810 them and some of them, there takes some warming up, 2130 01:48:46.869 --> 01:48:50.390 like maybe even in, in, in this, this conversation towards 2131 01:48:50.470 --> 01:48:53.569 the end, we begin to warm up and begin to, um, 2132 01:48:54.390 --> 01:48:57.649 you know, talk about other things and the spirituality and 2133 01:48:57.710 --> 01:48:59.930 my eyes light up and his do too, because, Hey, 2134 01:48:59.970 --> 01:49:02.750 this is, you know, they're not covering this aspect of 2135 01:49:02.930 --> 01:49:05.909 now my son has psychic abilities and, right? So this 2136 01:49:05.970 --> 01:49:07.710 is things that we get to talk about. And I've 2137 01:49:07.729 --> 01:49:10.140 been noticing that a lot lately, that towards the end 2138 01:49:10.180 --> 01:49:14.800 of these long form conversations, like people begin to open up, okay, 2139 01:49:14.819 --> 01:49:15.760 I've told my story. 2140 01:49:15.819 --> 01:49:16.039 Okay. 2141 01:49:16.060 --> 01:49:18.680 I've plugged my book. Now let's just talk kind of thing. 2142 01:49:19.180 --> 01:49:20.899 And those have been really cool. And I really noticed 2143 01:49:20.920 --> 01:49:23.229 that in this episode, which I enjoyed all of it. 2144 01:49:23.600 --> 01:49:25.850 And we had to make, even though I knew his story, 2145 01:49:25.930 --> 01:49:28.390 we had to make sure that, you know, first time 2146 01:49:28.810 --> 01:49:31.210 people who are brand new to this got the whole 2147 01:49:31.270 --> 01:49:35.319 story versus just jumping in the details. So, um, It's 2148 01:49:35.359 --> 01:49:37.399 been some good talks with that being said. And you 2149 01:49:37.439 --> 01:49:39.930 got to stay. You got to stay. You got to 2150 01:49:39.949 --> 01:49:43.369 stay at the hour mark. See what happens. It gets good. 2151 01:49:44.250 --> 01:49:47.329 We did some good ones lately. For sure. We're going 2152 01:49:47.350 --> 01:49:51.340 to keep doing them. We're not stopping. Like 460 episodes 2153 01:49:51.449 --> 01:49:55.640 almost now. We're getting there. Shout out to all the 2154 01:49:55.659 --> 01:49:58.460 first time listeners or first time people with us on 2155 01:49:58.479 --> 01:50:00.739 the live stream. I'm seeing a lot of that for 2156 01:50:00.760 --> 01:50:03.560 the first time people. who are finding the podcast and 2157 01:50:03.600 --> 01:50:05.979 it's the first time catching a live stream, usually because 2158 01:50:06.020 --> 01:50:08.880 we go, uh, usually go live at a different time. 2159 01:50:08.939 --> 01:50:12.250 And so, um, we're just experimenting and seeing what we 2160 01:50:12.270 --> 01:50:15.250 can do with schedules and all that kind of stuff. But, um, 2161 01:50:16.090 --> 01:50:19.609 we're going to be busy. I'm booked up. I'm booked 2162 01:50:19.729 --> 01:50:21.569 up and I'm booked to be on a lot of, 2163 01:50:21.590 --> 01:50:23.680 a lot of other podcasts as well. And a lot 2164 01:50:23.689 --> 01:50:26.579 of other shows to, to share my story and, and 2165 01:50:26.619 --> 01:50:28.619 then to have other people on here and pay

it forward. 2166 01:50:29.289 --> 01:50:31.630 You know, to get the word out, to bring our 2167 01:50:31.670 --> 01:50:34.569 pieces of the puzzle to the table and start making 2168 01:50:34.609 --> 01:50:41.319 a picture. So with that being said, make sure you subscribe. 2169 01:50:41.500 --> 01:50:44.380 Click that button. Become a patron. A lot of cool stuff. 2170 01:50:44.859 --> 01:50:46.680 I'm looking forward to the School of the Mystics. It's 2171 01:50:46.760 --> 01:50:49.939 been a month. We were doing it every week, but 2172 01:50:51.020 --> 01:50:53.300 I changed it to once a month right now just 2173 01:50:53.319 --> 01:50:55.939 to experiment with that and see how that goes. But 2174 01:50:56.239 --> 01:50:57.909 we're going to be doing it the last Thursday of 2175 01:50:57.930 --> 01:51:02.220 the month so far. And we're doing it tomorrow. If 2176 01:51:02.239 --> 01:51:04.850 you're listening to this on the podcasting app, you're a 2177 01:51:04.850 --> 01:51:06.390 little bit behind. It just is what it is. You 2178 01:51:06.409 --> 01:51:08.569 got to watch the live stream. But last Thursday of 2179 01:51:08.590 --> 01:51:09.949 the month, if you want to get in on that, 2180 01:51:10.390 --> 01:51:14.369 every Sunday morning right now, Breathwork, you go to patreon.com 2181 01:51:14.409 --> 01:51:17.659 to get info on that. And we ain't stopping. We 2182 01:51:17.680 --> 01:51:19.899 ain't slowing down. So with that, again, I'm going to 2183 01:51:19.939 --> 01:51:24.840 say peace and shalom. Love you guys. Give me an email, man. 2184 01:51:25.300 --> 01:51:27.430 Send me guests that you would like to see come on. 2185 01:51:27.439 --> 01:51:29.979 We'll be getting a lot of messages. And let me 2186 01:51:30.020 --> 01:51:32.060 know what kind of content you want to hear. We've 2187 01:51:32.079 --> 01:51:34.479 been doing a lot of UFO stuff. It's really popular. Obviously, 2188 01:51:34.539 --> 01:51:39.079 if men's health is covering ufology, yeah, we need some 2189 01:51:39.100 --> 01:51:40.699 of these views, man. We need some of these views. 2190 01:51:40.739 --> 01:51:42.840 So we've been doing a lot of ufology on here 2191 01:51:42.899 --> 01:51:49.840 as well. So any other subjects, Christian mysticism, spirituality, psychic abilities, 2192 01:51:49.899 --> 01:51:52.989 like whatever it is, even something we've never covered, like 2193 01:51:52.989 --> 01:51:57.149 450 episodes. I've talked to almost like everybody, but let 2194 01:51:57.189 --> 01:52:01.539 me know. Let me know. Send me an expert in theosophy. 2195 01:52:02.960 --> 01:52:09.039 Somebody who follows some really deep stuff. Somebody who's summoning beings. 2196 01:52:09.079 --> 01:52:12.640 Let's get some weird stuff on here, guys. Send them 2197 01:52:12.699 --> 01:52:16.079 to me. I'll interview them. I'll find common ground and 2198 01:52:16.100 --> 01:52:18.500 we'll double down on it. With that, again, last time, 2199 01:52:18.560 --> 01:52:20.319 peace and shalom. Love you guys. We'll do it again 2200 01:52:20.359 --> 01:52:24.390 very soon. Tomorrow, actually. Peace, peace. So much higher than mine. 2201 01:52:24.409 --> 01:52:30.670 So much higher. 2202 01:52:33.060 --> 01:52:35.510 So much deeper than mine. 2203 01:52:35.550 --> 01:52:37.289 Well, that does it for this episode, folks. 2204 01:52:37.310 --> 01:52:40.529 To hear more episodes of the Truth Seeker podcast, head 2205 01:52:40.569 --> 01:52:43.460 over to truthseeker.com. And if you're wanting to support the 2206 01:52:43.500 --> 01:52:47.619 show and get rewards, go to our Patreon page at patreon.com 2207 01:52:47.739 --> 01:52:49.649 forward slash truthseeker.