Vollständiges Transkript von If You Write It Down, Make It Accurate. I'm Autistic (Episode 140)

what the job is going to be like, if it's gonna match what they say it is. 00:04:51.759 --> 00:05:02.800 Um just to go a little bit off the center from that, as someone who's not in the spectrum, a lot of other people have that concern too, because sometimes people say one thing and they do another. 00:05:03.040 --> 00:05:09.920 Oh, but if sometimes those on spectrum won't go to that work because they're so afraid of it. 00:05:09.920 --> 00:05:19.680 I mean, I was afraid of that when I was getting my new job, and I finally do have a job at a part-time shindig at Goodwill, but that's what I was terrified. 00:05:19.680 --> 00:05:31.600 I mean, I had literally meltdown for three weeks because it was so much stress, and one of those reasons I was stressed was I was afraid that wouldn't be accurate on what I was doing. 00:05:32.000 --> 00:05:35.120 So that fear kind of wow, for three weeks. 00:05:35.120 --> 00:05:39.040 So that fear it just had a major emotional impact on you. 00:05:39.279 --> 00:05:39.759 Oh yeah. 00:05:39.759 --> 00:05:42.720 I would probably say I hit rock bottom for three weeks. 00:05:42.720 --> 00:05:44.319 Is that common? 00:05:44.319 --> 00:05:45.920 It can be. 00:05:45.920 --> 00:05:46.800 I would say so. 00:05:46.800 --> 00:05:49.120 You're talking to a guy who's experienced it. 00:05:49.759 --> 00:05:50.079 Okay. 00:05:50.079 --> 00:05:51.360 Well, I I didn't know that. 00:05:51.360 --> 00:05:54.720 Um, and I'm sure there's other people there's people who probably didn't know that. 00:05:54.720 --> 00:05:56.800 Um, but I I didn't know that. 00:05:56.800 --> 00:05:58.720 And this is why we're having this conversation. 00:05:58.720 --> 00:06:02.240 Uh, the insight is, I think, something that we could all learn from. 00:06:02.240 --> 00:06:04.079 So uh let me ask you this. 00:06:04.079 --> 00:06:11.519 Um we both we both know, and I think a lot of people know, most workplaces are not built with you in mind. 00:06:11.519 --> 00:06:21.680 Um, what are the specific things that make navigating work harder for someone on the spectrum that people who are not autistic wouldn't even think about or consider? 00:06:23.279 --> 00:06:25.519 I would say the way they work. 00:06:25.519 --> 00:06:32.959 I feel like with certain workplaces, there's a way you have to work, and if you're not fit for it, you're cut out. 00:06:32.959 --> 00:06:36.480 Okay, why are we not adapting to their style? 00:06:36.800 --> 00:06:41.199 You mean why, you mean, uh, why is the workplace not adapting to you? 00:06:41.199 --> 00:06:42.000 Exactly. 00:06:42.160 --> 00:06:42.720 To a point. 00:06:42.720 --> 00:06:46.560 I mean, I get to a point you can't treat us like kings and queens. 00:06:46.560 --> 00:06:47.519 I get that. 00:06:47.519 --> 00:06:51.199 But why aren't you changing up the way we learn? 00:06:51.199 --> 00:06:55.120 Why do we have to follow that way versus the way we want to? 00:06:55.120 --> 00:07:01.360 All that should matter is we get the job done efficiently and effectively. 00:07:01.360 --> 00:07:05.600 And if I had to pick, sometimes they want quantity over quality. 00:07:05.600 --> 00:07:07.360 It needs to be the other way around. 00:07:07.360 --> 00:07:09.439 It should be quality over quantity. 00:07:10.639 --> 00:07:19.199 And what you just said is something that I've heard a lot, actually, from people in the spectrum who've talked to me about what it's like for them. 00:07:19.199 --> 00:07:23.360 Um, and that is that that is how your brain is wired. 00:07:23.360 --> 00:07:27.519 Quality over quantity every time, and it doesn't make sense otherwise. 00:07:27.519 --> 00:07:33.759 And you're right, at least in the US, uh, a lot of workplaces are the opposite. 00:07:33.759 --> 00:07:35.759 Quality is not cared for at all. 00:07:35.759 --> 00:07:37.839 Quantity is the only thing that matters. 00:07:37.839 --> 00:07:42.000 Uh that's not true in every workplace, but it's true in a lot. 00:07:42.000 --> 00:07:48.319 So I think that that's let's take a little deeper dive into that. 00:07:48.319 --> 00:07:55.120 Why is quality more important than quantity to someone like you? 00:07:55.839 --> 00:08:00.160 Quality is more important than quantity because we care more. 00:08:00.160 --> 00:08:04.240 We care more getting a job right than just throwing it all around. 00:08:04.240 --> 00:08:10.720 There are some people who have work and will just throw stuff around and then the bosses are like, eh, okay. 00:08:10.720 --> 00:08:12.399 Why do you want that? 00:08:12.399 --> 00:08:16.240 Why do you want a C when you can get an A? 00:08:17.519 --> 00:08:19.680 Mmm, good, good point. 00:08:19.680 --> 00:08:22.720 And that is what I've constantly heard too. 00:08:22.720 --> 00:08:29.040 It the logic uh for anyone in the spectrum that I talk to, they think like you. 00:08:29.040 --> 00:08:31.680 So I I'm assuming that most do. 00:08:31.680 --> 00:08:36.240 Um, they think like you, the quality over quantity is a good way to put it. 00:08:36.240 --> 00:08:42.639 And where things, if things are out of order, they bother you more than they do the rest of us. 00:08:42.639 --> 00:08:45.679 Uh am I correct in saying it that way? 00:08:45.679 --> 00:08:47.840 Yeah, you are correct. 00:08:47.840 --> 00:08:53.759 So, what kind of jobs would be good for someone in the spectrum? 00:08:54.639 --> 00:09:00.320 Concrete direction to the point, sometimes very basic, sometimes very advanced. 00:09:00.320 --> 00:09:03.840 A lot of online jobs too, because we don't have to socialize. 00:09:03.840 --> 00:09:08.240 What about jobs that have goodwill? 00:09:08.240 --> 00:09:16.720 I'm purging and I have to sort the colors, and it's different each week, but all I can do is look at say, hey, okay, you know what, you're gonna purge green and black. 00:09:16.720 --> 00:09:22.960 Okay, that means I will take the board games off the section and it's green and black. 00:09:22.960 --> 00:09:24.720 I don't have to do anything else.

00:09:26.320 --> 00:09:28.720 So things that are repetitive are good. 00:09:28.720 --> 00:09:35.919 Yes, essentially, but with absolute clear direction and no opportunity for variations. 00:09:37.120 --> 00:09:40.080 To a point, there can be some, but it's gotta be very limited. 00:09:40.639 --> 00:09:40.960 Okay. 00:09:40.960 --> 00:09:49.919 So when there's too much quote unquote freedom to do what you want, that that is actually a bigger problem than something that is more okay. 00:09:49.919 --> 00:09:51.919 Uh what what kind of jobs? 00:09:51.919 --> 00:09:55.600 Okay, so you said that that's the kind of jobs that would be good for you guys. 00:09:55.600 --> 00:10:20.639 Do you f now let me ask you this when um because this shows for teenagers, so teenagers who are coming out of high school, let's say they're graduating and they're deciding whether or not they're going to college, whether or not they're going to be an entrepreneur, whether or not they're just gonna go to work and never go to college or trade school or they're all the different choices that are out there. 00:10:20.639 --> 00:10:26.159 How is that different for people like you than the rest of us? 00:10:27.679 --> 00:10:43.200 I would say that it's very different because yes, you have to have a path, but a lot of people with autism too like to go into self-business because they don't like to work for people, because they don't want to deal with that fear of management being garbage to them. 00:10:44.080 --> 00:10:45.440 Yeah, I understand that. 00:10:45.440 --> 00:10:47.519 That makes sense to me actually. 00:10:47.519 --> 00:10:52.240 Um and correct me if I'm wrong with this statement. 00:10:52.240 --> 00:11:00.480 Because of what you just said, people who are in the spectrum are used to being mistreated. 00:11:00.480 --> 00:11:01.600 Is that correct? 00:11:01.840 --> 00:11:02.480 Oh, yeah. 00:11:02.480 --> 00:11:03.039 Yeah. 00:11:03.039 --> 00:11:03.440 Okay. 00:11:03.440 --> 00:11:05.279 I don't like talking to people at work. 00:11:05.279 --> 00:11:09.200 It's not because I don't hate the people there, they're just they're nice people. 00:11:09.200 --> 00:11:13.200 It's just that one, I'm scared because of being mistreated my whole life. 00:11:13.200 --> 00:11:19.919 And two, I'm so concrete focused on my job that interacting with people is a less of my worries. 00:11:19.919 --> 00:11:22.399 I care more about doing the job correctly. 00:11:23.919 --> 00:11:25.919 Which to me makes you a good hire. 00:11:25.919 --> 00:11:34.000 If I'm it's depending on what the job is, if I'm a boss, then I want to hire people that are that dedicated to making sure they do it right. 00:11:34.000 --> 00:11:37.279 And that makes sense to me based on other things that I've seen too. 00:11:37.279 --> 00:11:46.720 Um, but I I pointed that out because I want the I want the audience to understand that when you say fears, I know you're not just talking about one thing. 00:11:46.720 --> 00:11:49.840

It's a uh it's an accumulation of things. 00:11:49.840 --> 00:11:58.399 And when you are used to being mistreated, yes, you're afraid to open your mouth, you're afraid to go there, you're afraid you're gonna be mistreated, you're gonna start to work and get fired in a week. 00:11:58.399 --> 00:12:03.759 So if all these things are going through your head, that must be kind of that that must be difficult. 00:12:03.759 --> 00:12:14.799 I mean, going from high school to college or whatever your afterlife is gonna be after that, that's always a challenge for anybody, no matter in the spectrum, out of spectrum, black, white, blue, tall, short, whatever. 00:12:14.799 --> 00:12:16.480 That's that's just for everybody. 00:12:16.480 --> 00:12:26.240 But specifically with people in the spectrum, I see what you're saying about some of these, some of these things that can be a barrier. 00:12:26.240 --> 00:12:38.399 Now, I know that you're not necessarily an extra college expert, but I just want your opinion as someone in the spectrum who works with other people in the spectrum who has a greater understanding than most, I would say. 00:12:38.399 --> 00:12:43.440 How often do people in the spectrum actually go to college? 00:12:45.519 --> 00:12:49.120 Um that'd be a hard one for me to answer. 00:12:49.120 --> 00:12:53.679 That's an expert question, but I would say half the population. 00:12:54.480 --> 00:12:58.399 Okay, so half of the people who are are in the spectrum. 00:12:58.399 --> 00:13:10.320 Do you do you feel just from who you the people that you've talked to, not from everybody, but just the people that you've talked to and dealt with, do you feel that many of them didn't go to college because they felt it was hopeless? 00:13:10.320 --> 00:13:13.360 Or they just or they just didn't want to deal with people? 00:13:13.360 --> 00:13:14.720 Or a little both? 00:13:14.960 --> 00:13:15.840 That could be the reason. 00:13:15.840 --> 00:13:18.080 There's a lot of reasons why people didn't want to go to college. 00:13:18.080 --> 00:13:20.399 Maybe college wasn't the best bet for them. 00:13:20.399 --> 00:13:24.399 It could have been trade school because that they wanted to do with their life. 00:13:24.399 --> 00:13:36.320 Maybe it's because that some people with autism have a lower understanding, and if they did something impulsive in college, it'd be an automatic jab through the face. 00:13:37.600 --> 00:13:38.240 Yeah. 00:13:38.240 --> 00:13:40.799 Well, let me ask you this. 00:13:40.799 --> 00:13:44.879 So you've you have yourself built something successful. 00:13:44.879 --> 00:13:53.840 What did you have to figure out on your own that nobody taught you and nobody warned you about when it comes to operating in the professional world? 00:13:54.159 --> 00:13:56.240 I'm not running a nonprofit. 00:13:56.240 --> 00:14:00.960 I'll give you that one because I didn't know nothing about nonprofits. 00:14:00.960 --> 00:14:04.799 Now I definitely have a boat load, I

would say. 00:14:04.799 --> 00:14:10.879 It's not the highest boatload, but a decent size amount of knowledge when it comes to nonprofits. 00:14:11.600 --> 00:14:13.519 And how did you learn it? 00:14:14.240 --> 00:14:29.759 Uh, through just watching, learning, uh having a board, being taught information, learning about how nonprofits have a hard time staying the doors because we get taxed with it. 00:14:30.480 --> 00:14:36.240 Yeah, not people I don't think people realize that nonprofits are actually one of the hardest things to run. 00:14:36.240 --> 00:14:40.399 Um they really, really are for a multitude of reasons. 00:14:40.399 --> 00:14:47.519 But uh well-intended and and you know, good intentions don't necessarily make everything run smooth. 00:14:47.519 --> 00:14:48.960 Uh, there's a lot of reasons. 00:14:48.960 --> 00:14:58.639 So, what I'm hearing from what you said is that you learned by a little bit of being self-taught and having a board that helped you learn what you didn't know. 00:14:59.039 --> 00:15:00.480 Yeah, I would say so. 00:15:00.480 --> 00:15:04.639 And a board who works with stuff that I know I'm not good at. 00:15:04.639 --> 00:15:07.919 For example, I didn't really do well in math. 00:15:07.919 --> 00:15:12.960 I was very C B and A with math, but with a lot of help. 00:15:12.960 --> 00:15:14.159 Won't lie there. 00:15:14.159 --> 00:15:20.799 But anyway, I would say when it comes to finances, nightmare. 00:15:20.799 --> 00:15:23.279 So I got a treasure handle on that for me. 00:15:24.559 --> 00:15:28.799 I love that you said that because that that that goes way beyond the conversation about autism. 00:15:28.799 --> 00:15:33.919 If you're running anything and you do and it's a talent you don't have, get someone who has it. 00:15:33.919 --> 00:15:35.360 Don't try to be everything. 00:15:35.360 --> 00:15:36.960 You don't need to be everything. 00:15:36.960 --> 00:15:38.159 Work with the strengths you have. 00:15:38.320 --> 00:15:46.080 I got a problem with that, I'll be honest with you, because in the job for they want to be the boss of their own way and be a manager. 00:15:46.080 --> 00:15:47.279 It doesn't work like that. 00:15:47.279 --> 00:15:49.519 You don't walk in and become the manager. 00:15:49.519 --> 00:15:51.759 You gotta start from bottom to top, buddy. 00:15:51.759 --> 00:15:55.039 Sometimes you may have to start part-time where we are today. 00:15:55.840 --> 00:15:57.679 Yes, and that's a good lesson. 00:15:57.679 --> 00:15:59.919 That's a good lesson for life in general. 00:15:59.919 --> 00:16:11.360 Uh, let me ask you this: what do you want employers and co-workers and young autistic people who are entering the workforce right now to understand that would actually make a difference for them? 00:16:12.000 --> 00:16:29.120 Okay, here's one that's gonna be hilarious because I hate doing this, but I'm doing you have to bend because a great example with my part-time job, I wanted the morning shift so bad because

I'm a person who got up early, who'd rather get the job done quick than go do whatever. 00:16:29.120 --> 00:16:31.360 Yuliberg gets the storm, as they say. 00:16:31.360 --> 00:16:33.120 That didn't work out. 00:16:33.120 --> 00:16:38.720 So I had to do the second thing they offered, which is afternoons and evenings. 00:16:38.720 --> 00:16:40.080 Do I love it? 00:16:40.080 --> 00:16:42.399 No, but is it decent? 00:16:42.399 --> 00:16:43.279 Yes. 00:16:43.279 --> 00:16:49.360 And I know sometimes those with autism want a certain schedule, they may not get that. 00:16:50.240 --> 00:17:00.159 That's very good advice, actually, Sam, because that is something that is very common for artistic people to have this great aversion to change. 00:17:00.159 --> 00:17:02.320 Like, it's like the devil himself. 00:17:02.960 --> 00:17:11.359 At the same time, I think there's a fair compromise where you say, if you're not gonna get this shift, then you can leave. 00:17:11.359 --> 00:17:18.640 Like, for example, I think I told my mother, I'll do mornings and afternoons, but I'm not not so sure about evenings. 00:17:18.640 --> 00:17:21.599 But after a little persuasion, my mom finally convinced me. 00:17:21.599 --> 00:17:24.559 But I also know myself, well, that could have been the other way. 00:17:24.559 --> 00:17:26.720 I could have said, I'm not doing evenings. 00:17:26.720 --> 00:17:29.920 I would have had to find another job, clearly. 00:17:29.920 --> 00:17:39.599 But that may be the consequence, is if you're gonna set a boundary, I get it, but you may have to face the consequence. 00:17:39.599 --> 00:17:46.559 But I want to be so nice to get the job, but I do agree with saying some boundaries. 00:17:47.759 --> 00:17:51.279 Okay, so be willing to bend. 00:17:51.279 --> 00:17:55.279 And I I know that's one of the hardest things, but I also know it's possible. 00:17:55.279 --> 00:18:02.319 Um, it is possible, but they have to be determined that they're willing to be to make that possible. 00:18:02.319 --> 00:18:04.319 Like you said, you were like, no, no evenings. 00:18:04.319 --> 00:18:10.480 And then you're like, okay, well, let me be a little bit flexible, and that probably was a lot for you, but you did it. 00:18:10.480 --> 00:18:12.720 Um, yeah, I had to make a schedule. 00:18:13.039 --> 00:18:19.759 I had like this whole elaborate schedule where if I got evenings, this is what I was doing. 00:18:19.759 --> 00:18:20.880 Oh, okay. 00:18:21.039 --> 00:18:23.279 So it came with a little bit of compromise. 00:18:23.599 --> 00:18:28.960 Yeah, the compromise is I'll do evenings, but we're gonna follow this exact schedule. 00:18:29.279 --> 00:18:32.079 What advice do you have for the youth of the world today? 00:18:32.400 --> 00:18:35.839 Well, have you ever seen the movie Kung Fu Panda 2? 00:18:35.839 --> 00:18:37.359 Now, there's a reason why I'm asking this. 00:18:37.359 --> 00:18:38.079 I promise. 00:18:38.079 --> 00:18:40.000 It will make sense in the end. 00:18:40.000 --> 00:18:41.680 I have not. 00:18:41.680 --> 00:18:42.960 Okay. 00:18:42.960 --> 00:18:44.160 Good. 00:18:44.160 --> 00:18:44.720 That's good. 00:18:44.720 --> 00:18:47.519 Now, if you have seen now, if you have seen it, great. 00:18:47.519 --> 00:18:48.319 You know what I'm talking about. 00:18:48.319 --> 00:18:50.799 If you haven't, spoiler alert, you might want to turn this off now. 00:18:50.799 --> 00:18:59.759 But anyway, in the movie, Poe learned where he came from from his after his he learned where he came from, and he learned his parents got killed. 00:18:59.759 --> 00:19:05.759 And I think someone who was on the bad side turned good, helped Poe out. 00:19:05.759 --> 00:19:11.519 And she said this and it very resonated me after Poe realized and had his moment of sadness. 00:19:11.519 --> 00:19:21.200 She stated, and I quote, your story may not have such a happy beginning, but that doesn't define who you are. 00:19:21.200 --> 00:19:24.960 It's the rest of your story, who you choose to be. 00:19:24.960 --> 00:19:32.079 Because some people with autism and the youth have had the worst cards dealt to them. 00:19:32.079 --> 00:19:37.039 But here's my question: Does the apple really have to fall off from the tree? 00:19:37.039 --> 00:19:42.559 Do you have to be the same person you were that your father was? 00:19:42.559 --> 00:19:43.200 No. 00:19:43.200 --> 00:19:45.920 You don't have to be them. 00:19:46.960 --> 00:19:48.400 Change the pattern. 00:19:48.400 --> 00:19:51.119 So we can be who we want to be. 00:19:51.119 --> 00:19:54.640 We don't have to be our past or our parents' past. 00:19:54.640 --> 00:19:55.759 Correct. 00:19:55.759 --> 00:19:57.279 That's excellent. 00:19:57.279 --> 00:19:58.960 That's excellent. 00:19:58.960 --> 00:20:05.599 So tell us more about I mentioned that you're the executive director of autism, rock and rolls, but we didn't talk about what that is yet. 00:20:05.599 --> 00:20:09.440 So tell tell the audience what is autism, rocks and rolls, and what do you do? 00:20:09.759 --> 00:20:12.640 So what I do is I run a podcast called Autism, Rocks and Rolls. 00:20:12.640 --> 00:20:17.839 That's a podcast about autism and how we cope with daily struggles that you may or may not understand through the podcast. 00:20:17.839 --> 00:20:18.720 It's grown so much. 00:20:18.720 --> 00:20:22.079 I develop sponsors, a board of six, as we mentioned. 00:20:22.079 --> 00:20:24.079 I do events at NES is where I'm from. 00:20:24.079 --> 00:20:27.119 We actually have a poker run coming in a couple months. 00:20:27.119 --> 00:20:29.119 And then we also do events as well. 00:20:29.119 --> 00:20:35.279 And then the speaking engagements, I've spoken in Oklahoma, Orlando, and Canada, all over the place, man. 00:20:35.279 --> 00:20:41.359 And we also have a lot of irons in the fire with a children's book in the works and educational modules. 00:20:41.359 --> 00:20:44.160 So sounds like you do it a lot. 00:20:44.960 -->

00:20:48.880 I think it's really excellent that you have iron speaking all over the place. 00:20:48.880 --> 00:20:51.839 Say it again. 00:20:51.839 --> 00:20:54.640 I'm wearing a lot of hats. 00:20:54.640 --> 00:20:56.160 Sounds like it. 00:20:56.160 --> 00:20:58.960 And um, and I I I will be honest with you. 00:20:58.960 --> 00:21:02.400 I love that you're doing all of that for a couple different reasons. 00:21:02.400 --> 00:21:04.000 Number one, because it helps people. 00:21:04.000 --> 00:21:05.279 That's always what I'm looking at. 00:21:05.279 --> 00:21:08.000 The number one reason uh it helps people. 00:21:08.000 --> 00:21:12.319 But number two, it defies stereotypes. 00:21:12.319 --> 00:21:22.240 I love that you're defying the stereotype that all you are is a label of autistic, and you're, you know, showing that you're so much more than that. 00:21:22.240 --> 00:21:26.319 Um, and that you can do whatever you want to do, and you're doing it. 00:21:26.319 --> 00:21:26.960 And I love that. 00:21:26.960 --> 00:21:28.160 I think it's great. 00:21:28.160 --> 00:21:30.400 So, how can people find you? 00:21:31.039 --> 00:21:32.480 Oh, I'm not hard going to find you. 00:21:32.480 --> 00:21:34.559 Google me on your favorite media platform. 00:21:34.559 --> 00:21:36.960 Just Google me your search engine optimization. 00:21:36.960 --> 00:21:38.000 Something will pop up. 00:21:38.000 --> 00:21:40.160 My official website's Autism, Rocks and Rolls. 00:21:40.160 --> 00:21:42.559 Do me a favor though, don't search my name. 00:21:42.559 --> 00:21:47.440 The only reason I say it's because you get a basketball player, and I've done no slam dunks lately. 00:21:47.440 --> 00:21:56.480 So, best thing to look up is Autism, Rocks and Rolls, and something will pop up on Apple Podcasts and Podme or Spotify. 00:22:00.960 --> 00:22:06.559 No, I'm pretty sure that whoever the basketball player is doesn't look like your picture on the front cover. 00:22:07.039 --> 00:22:08.079 He doesn't, trust me. 00:22:08.079 --> 00:22:10.960 We let's just say we both have different skin tones. 00:22:12.559 --> 00:22:13.200 Yes. 00:22:13.200 --> 00:22:20.319 Well, Sam, it's been really great having you on, and and thank you for helping us to understand and giving us some insight. 00:22:20.319 --> 00:22:24.240 Um, and I hope that we send some people over to your podcast. 00:22:24.559 --> 00:22:25.440 Oh, please do. 00:22:25.440 --> 00:22:26.480 I'm looking forward to it. 00:22:26.480 --> 00:22:27.279 Thank you again. 00:22:27.279 --> 00:22:28.319 Appreciate it. 00:22:29.680 --> 00:22:33.759 And now for a mind-shifting moment. 00:22:33.759 --> 00:22:43.119 I want to take a moment to talk to employers because this conversation was about people who are autistic. 00:22:43.119 --> 00:22:50.559 But I want you to focus on a piece of the principle behind it that goes beyond autism. 00:22:50.559 --> 00:23:03.599 And that is do you make room for the humans who can maximize your business or do you try to force the humans you do have to fit into boxes that were never made for them? 00:23:03.599 --> 00:23:21.759 You see, when we take the time and actually are willing to make adjustments to get the best out of the people that we have as business owners, you maximize everything and including your bottom line because you'll be able to keep people. 00:23:21.759 --> 00:23:31.279 And having someone who's very finicky about details and loyal and cares about things being right, that sounds like a pretty good employee to me. 00:23:31.279 --> 00:23:35.519 But do you try to force them into a box that was never made for them? 00:23:35.519 --> 00:23:37.920 Whether they're in the spectrum or not. 00:23:37.920 --> 00:23:46.160 So if you own a business or your manager of any kind, I want you to think about that. 00:23:46.160 --> 00:24:04.799 If you control the systems, the work environment, wherever you are, do you make adjustments to get the best out of what you have or do you force humans to fit into boxes that were never made for them? 00:24:04.799 --> 00:24:06.799 Just think about it. 00:24:06.799 --> 00:24:15.599 You've been listening to Mind Shift Power Podcast for complete show notes on this episode. 00:24:15.599 --> 00:24:20.480 And to join our global movement, find us at FatimaBey.com. 00:24:20.480 --> 00:24:26.880 Until next time, always remember there's power in shifting your thinking.