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That play he made over Marlon Humphrey was pretty special.
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That'd make me pretty willing to throw the ball up
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to that guy as well. The verticality increased, right? Josh
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had six throws, 20 yards or more down the field.
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He completed three of them and had a good chance
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to complete a couple more, right? If Palmer doesn't get
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hurt on the one and then he misses Keon Coleman.
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Welcome back to the Center on Buffalo podcast brought to
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you by Azuna Fresh. This week's guest is a friend
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of the show. That's Joe Marino from the Locked on
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Bills podcast. We're going to have fun breaking down this
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Ravens game, maybe some things he saw different in this
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Bills team coming out of the bye, and we'll take
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a look at the head at this Vikings game and
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a look around the league.
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Thank you to all the subscribers out there.
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If you haven't already, make sure you subscribe wherever you
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Enjoy the podcast, and go Bills. Joe, welcome back on
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the podcast, brother.
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Good to be with you, Eric. Always appreciate the invitation.
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Always a pleasure. Always a pleasure. The Bills come off
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the bye week. You smash the Ravens, and... Look, when
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you injure Lamar Jackson, let me start like this. We
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potentially are going to have the two most dynamic quarterbacks
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in NFL history facing off.
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Instead, Lamar gets hurt on the first play.
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When you look at the Bills' defense, do you give
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them credit for holding the Ravens under 150 yards? Did
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you chalk it up that Lamar and then Huntley both
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get hurt?
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It's obviously a pretty unique situation. And there's an asterisk, right,
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that Bills' defense played a lot better But of course,
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it came against a third string quarterback that's an undrafted rookie.
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And so it should look good. And so I think
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we start by acknowledging that it's always better to play
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good than it is to play bad. But my big
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takeaway with the defense is more about what was different.
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And you had Jim Leonard up in the booth and
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his comments about that this week were pretty telling, talking
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about his comfort and his ability to to trust the
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communication on the field, and how he can just kind
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of be in the lab up there. And I like
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hearing that. You also had a lineup switch, right? Damar
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Hamlin played safety, and C.J. Gardner-Johnson was not available for
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this game. And then you had two different nickel packages,
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one with Takori Couch, one with Geno Stone. I like that.
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But you also had some very different styles that you played.
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The Bills had a 33 percentage point increase in man coverage.
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They had a 33% increase in blitz rate. And so
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that's what I like to see. The pre-buy defense was
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way too passive. It was way too predictable. They got
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into some aggressive elements that led to a better result.
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I know there's an asterisk, but where I really take
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a lot of comfort is that they did things differently
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and it led to a better result. And I think
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projecting this into the future sets themselves up to turn
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the corner and be the defense this team needs it
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to be. Right.
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And when I look at it, Yes, there's an asterisk,
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but it can also be a confidence boost.
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Hey, this is what it can look like. And we've
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seen it at times.
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And Jim Leonard's pointed to they just haven't finished at times,
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whether that's finishing on drives when it looks like it's
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going to be a three and out and they give
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up a penalty. Then all of a sudden, here comes
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a 10-play scoring drive after what could have been a
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three and out.
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Whether that's, hey, it doesn't look that bad.
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And then, boom, a 20-point fourth quarter and you give
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up 30 points again and you don't feel great about it. Hopefully,
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this can also be a confidence boost. especially for the
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secondary and what it can look like. And, you know,
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it was interesting coming out of the bye or going
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into the bye, Jim Leonard was talking about, we're just
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making it too easy on quarterbacks because we don't communicate well.
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We can't discuss coverages. And so they know what we're
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in every time. And that's an easy spot, especially if
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you're playing a veteran quarterback. So I was wondering if
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the shift was going to be, okay, let's just get
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the more press man.
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Let's simplify it. Let the guys play faster or let's
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just disguise things, simulated pressures. Rock and roll safeties.
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And if we blow one every now and then, it's
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got to be better than just dying the slow death
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over and over. So it was nice to see those
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schematic changes. And as Jim Leonard learns this secondary that
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he didn't get a ton of time with in training
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camp altogether, it's interesting those shifts he made. And so
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we'll get to the segment now as we clear the
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air brought to you by Azuna Fresh. Do you think
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the Bills are better off right now? With DeMar at
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safety over C.J.
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Gardner-Johnson?
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Well, I think so. And ultimately what it comes down
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to is I certainly can acknowledge that there's a higher
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playmaking ceiling that exists with C.J. Gardner-Johnson. The floor is
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astronomically higher with DeMar Hamlin. And you don't have to
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get into some of the behavioral stuff with C.J. Gardner-Johnson
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that can kind of rub you the wrong way. Missed tackles,
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blown coverage assignments, and you– really for the last game
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and a half, the Bills have not had C.J. Garner-Johnson
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in the lineup, but I think things calmed down. And
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so I know they brought him to Buffalo for a reason.
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There's likable elements to what he offers, but ultimately this
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defense seemed to play a lot more calm, less blown assignments.
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The floor was elevated. And for me, and it's not
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up to me, I'd roll with DeMar Hamill.
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I probably would as well.
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And When Trey White was on my podcast last week,
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it was interesting when he was talking about how the
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corners aren't making plays, but it's almost like they don't
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know where their help is. And he credited the millions
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of reps that he got with Micah Hyde and Jordan
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Poyer to where they would know at times when he
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would want to take a chance. There'd be time where
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Trey's giving space, trying to bait the quarterback, and the
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safeties knew it. And just the corners played a lot
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better last week.
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Asterix, again, we know.
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The quarterback play for the Ravens wasn't what we potentially
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were going to face. But you had corners out there
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making plays and playing a lot more confident, and it
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could be because they know what's going on in the
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back end. Cole Bishop had a better game. Well, it
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may be that he's played a lot more with DeMar.
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He has comfort in knowing where he's going to be
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and that part of what makes C.J. Gardner-Johnson a playmaker
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in this league is the chances he takes.
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Well, I relate it to offensive line.
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If I don't know what my guard's doing, man, I
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have to be very conservative with my set. If we're
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trying to pass off a line game, and I don't
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know if you're fully there up front, it's going to
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look a lot different than the reps I had next
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to Richie, who I played a ton of ball with,
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a veteran guy who I knew exactly where he was
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going to be every play. And so to me, I
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felt like the corners benefited from that as well. And
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so I probably would as well. And Jim Leonard in
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his press conference to start off the week did say,
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you know, there's some guys that are potentially going to
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make us have some tough conversations.
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Or tough decisions.
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And another guy that popped to me throughout the game,
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who you mentioned filling in at nickel was to Corey couch.
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And I'm not saying D Alford doesn't get back in
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the starting lineup, but could he be another guy that
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Jim Leonard's referring to for pushing for more playing time?
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Well, to Corey couch is almost like the Alec Anderson
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of the defense where he's been on the practice squad
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for a little bit of time now, and finally gets
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an opportunity to play and You know, he played well,
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and he got a chance a couple weeks ago, but
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he hurt his hamstring, right? And we didn't get a
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chance to see the full runway with Takori Couch. And
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so he steps into this lineup and, again, calms things
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down and drew some tough assignments, right? There were some
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matchups against Zay Flowers, who going into this game was
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averaging over 100 yards per game among the receivers with
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at least 50 targets. He was number one in yards
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per target. The Bills held him without a catch. I mean,
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that's pretty exciting. And so... I think you're at a
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point where you need to consider all of those things. Now,
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I like D. Alford, and I think that he's a
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player that will benefit from the overall calming down of
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the defense. And obviously, they brought him here on a
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three-year deal to be that guy. But I think you
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have to be willing to accept any adjustments necessary to
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play better defense. And if that's to Corey Couch getting
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more opportunity, so be it. And of course, he brings
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a lot on special teams as well. And the Bills
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are Putting Maxwell Harrison out there and some reps as
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a vice on the punt return team, sometimes he's got
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to be a gunner. Well, that role can maybe be
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elevated by it to Corey Couch as well. So it's
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good to see these guys get some opportunity, and I
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think the Bills need to be open to all
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to improve their defense.
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but also throughout this season, the Bills average almost 40
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more passing yards per game when DJ Moore is on
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the field. The average target goes up and all that.
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That's exactly why you bring in a DJ Moore, when
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he's out there schematically, because you're watching as much film,
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especially on the bills as anyone, are you seeing schematic
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shifts or maybe a Josh Allen approach to the passing
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game that switches when DJ Moore's on the field?
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Well, yeah. One thing that really popped in studying the
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film from the Ravens game was seeing the gravity that
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he has multiple plays where the Ravens were in zone
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coverage and you can just see the attention that the
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squeezing towards DJ Moore and what that opens up for
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the rest of the players, in particular, Kilo Shakir and
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Dalton Kincaid, some of those plays they made over the
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middle of the field were courtesy of that gravity and
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that wrap in that Josh hit over the middle of
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the rocket to Kincaid early in the game like that.
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You watch the play three guys close on DJ Moore
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and you got a wide open Kincaid over the middle
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of the field and so you can feel the gravity
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but also I think Josh has a lot of confidence
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in throwing him the ball right I mean taking some
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chances one on one down the field and DJ Moore
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is the type of guy that has the physicality at
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the catch point to win those leverage battles but also
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the concentration the ball skills he's making these types of
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plays his whole career that's what I loved about watching
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him at Maryland right we all remember the big catch
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he had over Green Bay for Chicago last year. And that,
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you know, that play he made over Marlon Humphrey was
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pretty special. That'd make me pretty willing to throw the
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ball up to that guy as well. So the verticality increased, right?
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Josh had six throws, 20 yards or more down the field.
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He completed three of them and had a good chance
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to complete a couple more, right? If Palmer doesn't get
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hurt on the one and then he misses Keon Coleman,
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but you can just see how it unlocks things vertically
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because of, you know, who DJ Moore is as a,
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as a vertical player himself, but what it unlocks for
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other players as well. So this offense is clearly different
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when DJ Moore is available. I certainly hope he can
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stay healthy. It feels like every time that guy gets hit,
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it's like, you know, just really physical and guys are
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getting after him. So stay healthy, dude, because, you know,
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the production for this offense can be really special. It is, right?
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This is like one of the best offenses to start
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a season in NFL history. Certainly the most points, the
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most explosive plays And they've only had a little bit
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of DJ Moore. So if that guy can stay healthy,
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you know, obviously this, this offense can be really, really productive. Yeah.
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DJ Moore is a guy that hasn't missed much time
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at all in his career. And look, I'll admit, I'm
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not watching every second of when he was at the
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Panthers and when he was at the bears. I know
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he plays a physical brand of ball, but I think
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back to something Peyton Manning said about Marvin Harrison and
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Stokely and those guys back in the day and Reggie
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Wayne and, people would give them crap about sliding at
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the end of the plays. He's like, well, they're like, well,
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Peyton told me to do it because they need me
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to get through the postseason. I almost want him to
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take like a old school 2009 Indianapolis receivers approach to
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this where, hey, maybe, you know, until it's crunch time,
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until we absolutely need it, you're almost.
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Like a quarterback out there. Get down, get out of bounds.
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Yes, there's going to be times where, you know, you're
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going to take some contact, but you know, dating back
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to his first reps in the preseason against the Panthers.
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He's out there looking for contact, which you love to
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see how to receiver is an alignment. I love to
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see my receivers out there playing like that, but, but
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I'm to the point now, like put yourself in a
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bubble when you can.
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And so it's been fun to see this year.
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You have to think that's a big reason why Josh
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and DJ have connected so well. And there's been such
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obvious chemistry. They play so similarly. I'm sure that they
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love being on the field together and, You can tell
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when Josh has DJ out there, he wants to get
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in the ball, right? That's his guy. And I think
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they can really appreciate how each other plays the game.
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Yeah, DJ Moore on the mic'd up at one point
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of the game was on the sideline. He's like, I'm
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out here playing backyard.
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Ball with my boy.
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You know, they're having fun on the sideline like that
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as well. It's cool to see.
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At the time of the recording of this podcast, nothing
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has come out on it yet. Do you think Roquan
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Smith should be punished, whether that's suspension, fines for The
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QB sneak and the shot he obviously took on Josh Allen,
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twisting his head around.
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Oh, absolutely, especially as this is now the second time
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he's done that to a quarterback, Tyler Shuck, for the
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Saints a few weeks ago this happened. And I am
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not defending C.J. Garner-Johnson by any means. I think it
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was deplorable that he spit on somebody. But can we
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compare spitting on somebody or spitting at somebody to yanking
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a face mask and twisting someone's head around? Yeah, that's garbage.
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And I think at a minimum, a healthy fine is justified. And,
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you know, if you're going to suspend CJ for spitting
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at somebody, which he should have been suspended, I think
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that's a more egregious act.
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Yeah, very disrespectful to get spit on, but I'd rather
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get spit on than someone take a low shot on
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me in a game, you know, after the play, take
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a shot where, you know, I might get concussed or something.
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Give me the spit in those situations. I might not
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say it at the time though.
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That's about as disrespectful as you can.
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Get man to man. Yeah. But, but I'd rather have
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that than have my head twisted. All right. Looking ahead
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at the Vikings, they're six and one.
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They get beat by the lions last week, but off
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to an incredible start, especially on the defense side of
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the football. How concerned are you that this Bill's offense
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finally won't be able to, you know, rack up those points,
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drive after drive against this Vikings defense, like we've seen
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all season.
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Well, you know, some, There's just those games sometimes with
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the Flores defense where they are pretty leaky and other
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teams are able to put up a bunch of points.
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Think about Green Bay earlier in the year. What gives
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me a lot of hope is what Detroit did to
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them last week. They ran the ball and forced a
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million missed tackles. Jameer Gibbs went off. Sione Bakke went off.
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I'm sure the Bills will let James Cook against his
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brother's former team in Minnesota. I think that'll be a
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huge part of what they need to do is run
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the ball with James Cook, but You know, obviously, if
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anything in football, there's give and take. And I think
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you need to find ways to make Minnesota pay for
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their choices of being so blitz aggressive, spread them out,
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you know, obviously get the ball out of Josh's hands. And,
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you know, I like where this offensive line's headed. I
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think their protection schemes have been pretty sound this year.
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I think they've played well together. Josh hasn't faced a
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lot of quick pressure. Well, he's faced pressure, but some
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of that's just kind of the way he plays the game.
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There hasn't been much in the way of quick pressure.
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And so run the ball, get the ball out of
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Josh's hands. and build on your defensive performance, and I
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think the Bills will have a chance to go out
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there and maybe hand the Vikings a second consecutive loss
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after they won like 11 in a row, dating back
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to last season.
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Yeah, and Josh has been excellent against the Blitz for
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a majority of his career, ever since he got the
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receivers in place, which I think back to early Josh
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Allen games where teams started going press man, cover zero,
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because we didn't have Diggs or whoever on the outside,
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and you know, ever since kind of that period, Josh
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has been deadly against the blitz, but against this Bill's
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offense right now with the balance they have in the
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variety of weapons, I think, I think that's how you
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almost have to approach, you know, a game against the
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bills is take some chances, bring some blitzes, because if
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you just sit back there, you know, over the course
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of the game, they're likely going to put up 30
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points again. And so, you know, The Brian Flores blitz
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numbers over 80%. They're not coming down this week. I've
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seen some of their
packages that have been pretty good.
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Some of their twists up front, some of their simulated pressures,
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getting guys on the running backs.
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It's good stuff from Brian Flores. It'll be interesting to see.
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I would imagine after this season, especially if their defensive
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success continues, that he would get another shot at being
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a head coach in this league.
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Obviously, it didn't go well down in Miami and.
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The report and all that that came out about Brian Flores,
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obviously an embarrassment for the league. But I'd imagine he's
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probably shaping up to be a head coach after this season.
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Kevin O'Connell has a decision to make this week. You
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got a hamstring strain from Kyler Murray.
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You got Dan Orlovsky on NFL Live saying, hey, maybe
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it's time for Carson Wentz to come in. Who would
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you rather see this week? be a quarterback for the Vikings,
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Kyler Murray or Carson Wentz?
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Kyler Murray. Even if he's healthy, I'd rather face Kyler Murray.
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And really what it comes down to is I think
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Carson Wentz is more likely to simply run the offense.
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And I know that Carson Wentz is more than capable
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of a stinker, right? We've seen Carson Wentz through the years.
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He's also capable of having a really dynamic game, especially
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if he'll just run the plays, right? And the Bills,
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I'm really encouraged by the direction of the defense coming
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out of the bye. They're going to need more of
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that because if they're going to go back to what
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they were with passive zone coverages and not a lot
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of press and not a lot of blitzing, you know,
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a veteran quarterback like Carson Wentz is going to play
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on schedule. Just like, just like all the quarterbacks previously,
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Kirk Cousins and Matthew Stafford, right. That's that, that'll be
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what it's going to be. And, you know, Carson Wentz
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can move a little bit as well. So I'll take
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chances with Kyler Murray, who has his own
limitations, right.
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He obviously has a big arm and he can run,
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but you know, he, field vision is not necessarily something
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that comes well to him. He's, you know, he's vertically
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challenged and I I'll take my chances, chances with the
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variance there. So we'll, we'll see where it goes. You know, if,
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if his hamstring is not good enough to go, then
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that probably makes the decision for Kevin O'Connell, but I'm
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certainly hoping to, to see Kyler Murray on Monday night.
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Yeah.
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You don't see a lot of quarterback switches with six
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and one teams, but they're in a fairly unique situation
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up there in Minnesota.
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I thought this was interesting.
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Joe Brady's press conference this week talking about the penalties,
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which have been an issue.
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I don't know where we sit right now.
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Last week we went into the game 27th in penalties
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on the season, I believe. And so Joe Brady talked
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about how he doesn't necessarily want his team to have
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the least amount of penalties in the league. He wants
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them to toe that line and be somewhere in the
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middle of the pack. You don't often hear coaches talk
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like that. Oftentimes they'll say, no, we have to eliminate
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the penalties. And they might say, yeah, a couple might
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happen a game.
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Got to eliminate. the pre-snaps.
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He's saying, I want my team to play aggressive enough
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that sometimes that happens. What were your thoughts on him
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talking about middle of the pack with penalties?
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Sort of understood where he was going with it. And
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I could appreciate that the caveat was, look, I don't
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have any time for pre-snap penalties, right? That's just focused stuff,
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especially– Procedural issues at home, that's not my favorite thing
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to see from the Bills, and there's been false starts.
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There's been an illegal shift or two at home, which
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you don't like, or delay a game. But competitive penalties
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between the whistles, you're trying to make a play. Sometimes
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you can live with some of that. It's always frustrating
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in the moment. It's never easy in the moment to say, oh, well,
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there it is. That's what Joe Brady's talking about. I
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guess we'll live with this defensive passenger fear. It's a
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game of 40-yard play. But I can understand what he's
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saying is that as long as the technique is good
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and you're just trying to be competitive, sometimes you can
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deal with that. And so the phrasing of, hey, we
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don't want to be the least penalized team in the
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NFL can certainly make you perk up. But I think
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the intent behind what he's saying makes a lot of sense.
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As long as there's that continued caveat of pre-snap penalties,
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nobody has any time for that.
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Yeah, I thought my two biggest takeaways for the press
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conference were that And then when he was explaining the
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end of half situation, which we won't necessarily get into
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because you have to take him for his word.
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Yes.
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In the moment, I thought it was panic. If that
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was truly the strategy, it's brilliant.
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It's brilliant.
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Yeah.
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Yes.
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If that was truly the strategy, that is pure brilliance.
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If you know the defense that they're going to get to,
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if there's 20 seconds left as opposed to 40, that's brilliant.
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I'll be honest in the booth on air. I'm saying,
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what are we doing right now?
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We are wasting valuable time to where, We might have
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to mayday kick one from 50-something, which could be a
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disaster in itself.
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Yeah, and I looked at, was it Osiris Torrance on
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that play winds up pulling from the right side? Like,
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it led me to believe that that was their intent,
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was to just kind of leverage a sideline and get
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the 14 yards. But I'm sitting there thinking, like, you
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can't really throw incomplete here because you're not going to
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kick a, I mean, pushing 70-yard field goal. They needed
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14 yards to get a 51-yard field goal. But if
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they had a beat on what they were going to
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be in defensively. And that was your, your opportunity to
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eat away at some of that distance. You know, it
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sounded like based on what he said on Monday, that
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it was a really well articulated thought out plan. And
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it sounded genius, but you know, without that information, you're
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me and you are in the same position or like, well, geez,
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that was very risky. It worked out, but the process
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wasn't very good, but it sounds like there was some,
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some deeper thinking going on there by Joe Brady.
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I agree.
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It kind of reminded me of, and like I said,
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I'll take it for his word. And Joe Brady is
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a brilliant offensive mind. It kind of reminded me of
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at times I would mess up a mic point and
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I knew I messed it up and I'm going to
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have to defend myself and film the next day. And
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then I start watching film and I'm like, oh yeah,
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that safety was kind of
cheating that way. And I
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can find a look. from film study earlier in the
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week where I can justify my decision again. And so
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it kind of reminded me of one of those kind
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of revisionist history, like go back, look, okay, now I
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can justify my decision in this situation. When you, let
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me preface this, go back during the bye week, Joe
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did a podcast on potential trade targets. Some of those
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since then have either been moved or, you know, different situation. Now,
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when you look around, we're seven days away from the
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trade deadline as we record this. Who would be maybe
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a few of your top trade targets.
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For the Bills?
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Yeah, I think a lot about safety. And while I
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think DeMar Hamlin can elevate the floor, I certainly think
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you'd like to have a high-impact player. And certainly, you
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look at some of these teams, there should be guys available.
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Imani Hooker, I was in on him before the three-interception
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game against the Cincinnati Bengals. So I've got the receipts there,
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but that's definitely a player that I have a ton
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of interest in. Cam Bynum, a safety for the Colts.
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Buda Baker with the Arizona Cardinals. Of course, Jeff Rogers
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has a lot of familiarity with him. So I think
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about those safeties. I'm not against the idea of an
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edge rusher. I think the Bills are getting okay production
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from Bradley Chubb, but I think that's a spot that
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can be elevated. TJ Parker's given them some good flashes,
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but still a rookie that I don't fully want to
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count on. So with how Deion Walker and Greg Russo
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are playing, I don't think it would hurt to add
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somebody at outside backer. And I'm really not against the
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idea of a receiver. We've talked about how meaningful DJ
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Moore is. And not that anybody's just going to step
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in and be the one for one. I'd like to
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have as much firepower as possible. And we know that
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receivers get traded, right? That's kind of the other thing
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is they're just always traded. And so I don't think
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it would be a bad idea to participate there, especially
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when you're looking, you know, beyond this season where you
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have an opportunity to maybe get out of that Josh
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Palmer deal and, you know, stock stocking up on firepower to,
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to be the most dynamic offense possible is, not something
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I'm going to find myself disagreeing with. So I think
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about that. Like I'm interested in a Josh downs. I'm
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interested in a Brian Thomas jr. Somebody that can really
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add some, some dynamic skills, some, some speed, some playmaking
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to this offense. Yeah.
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I'm with you there.
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And receivers probably as easy as any position on the
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field to plug and play maybe, maybe outside linebacker pass
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rush as well, where they can kind of do their thing.
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And if, They don't necessarily know all the ins and
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outs of a play, run a slant, rush the passer,
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kind of more of a plug and play position than saying, Hey,
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we're going to put you in that guard, you know,
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learn how to play with these guys and know every
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single play in the playbook. As you look around the
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AFC right now, who concerns you the most getting in
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the way of the bills, either a getting the one
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seed or B getting to the super bowl.
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The team that has me most concerned about the bills
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getting to the super bowl is the bills, right? I think,
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you know what I mean? We've talked about Baltimore and
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Kansas city for years. The bills are the biggest enemy
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to the bills. And so if they can clean up
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some things and, and, you know, play, play some more
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normal games potentially, right? Just everything doesn't have to be
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high event all the time, which I think is a
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little bit of a consequence when, you know, the two
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most influential people on your operation are Joe Brady and
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00:26:03.099
Josh Allen, right? Those are, those are aggressive dudes. You're
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going to get some chaos with that. But in terms
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of the one seed, it's Jacksonville. And I think they
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have a good operation on both sides of the ball,
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but their schedule, right? In terms of strength of schedule
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the rest of the way, it's the easiest schedule in
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the league. And I think they're going to stack wins.
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I don't think there's a lot of competition for them
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in that division. And so the Bills are ahead of
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them right now as the only team in the AFC
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that doesn't have two losses. But I think Jacksonville is
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going to stack a bunch of wins and make that
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pretty interesting down the stretch.
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I agree.
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And I almost feel this year, I don't want to
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say more than ever, but maybe I've just grown to
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appreciate the one seed more when you only have to
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win two games to get the Super Bowl, not three.
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The injuries that we faced in the wildcard round constantly,
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especially on the defense side of the football, getting to
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bring teams into this new Highmark Stadium, get them in
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the elements, even though the fans all won't be in
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the elements, the field's exposed and all that. For some
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reason this year, I almost have different thoughts around a
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sprint for the one seed and not, hey, let's peak
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at the right time at the end of the season,
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get hot, and get on a run.
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And that's just kind of my thoughts on that. All right,
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last one for me. What's the next game we're going
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to see Joe Marino at?
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Ooh.
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Man, it's crazy. I'd been to three already this year.
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I'd only anticipated to go to one, so it was
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cool to get to a couple more. Maybe that Miami
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game in a couple weeks, there's something going on that
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I might want to be a part of.
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Okay, well, let me know.
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We'd love to catch up for that. We'll go get
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some wings or get a bite somewhere. But I appreciate
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your time as always. For those out there that tune
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into this podcast and don't tune into Joe's, go check
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out the Locked on Bills podcast. Awesome stuff coming each week.
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I've really enjoyed the Bills squad stuff. Sometimes I'm jealous
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I'm not a part of that crew. But you don't
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need– it's like– It's like the desk when they got
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Jason Kelsey and people say, Eric, could you do that?
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I'm like, no, you're not going to have two alignment.
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You need some different perspectives, but what is it about
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these offensive linemen? I'm out all the former bills players.
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You Jerry, John Feeney, you he's offensive lineman. Mitch Morse
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is in the space. You guys got stuff to say,
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retired and you want to talk, right? Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Someone was asking me last weekend, what's up with all
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these centers that get into podcasting and whatnot. I'm like, well,
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Generally each week, the center's the one talking to the
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media in the locker room. You learn to speak in
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front of a mic. You have fun with the media
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guys and all that. So that might have something to
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do with it, but who knows? But as always, brother,
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I appreciate your time. Keep up the good work. Always
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love following all your stuff.
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Appreciate you, Ewood. Thanks for having me on.
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Yes, sir.