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app or on our website. This is a story about trust,
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love and independence. The story features three characters, a mother,
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her daughter and the daughter's suitor The daughter's suitor lived
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deep inside a very dark cave. One day, the daughter
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asked her mother if she could visit this man. The
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mother had concerns, but didn't want to stand in the
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way of her daughter's happiness. So she pulled a thread
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out from the edge of her skirt and told her
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daughter to hold onto it as she made her way
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into the cave. If, for whatever reason, she felt in danger,
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all she needed to do was tug on the thread.
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Her mother would then pull her away from harm. Sonia
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Ryan was 20 years old when she gave birth to
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her daughter, Carly. Being a young, single mother was not
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without struggles, but in a unique and special way, Sonia
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felt Carly saved her life. She drew strength knowing her
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baby girl needed her. No matter how hard things got,
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Carly gave Sonia reason and purpose to go on. This
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bond between mother and daughter evolved as Carly grew older,
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but never broke, only strengthened. It was mirrored quite literally
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in the striking resemblance the pair bore to one another.
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It was often remarked that they looked more like sisters,
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with matching porcelain skin, chestnut hair, deep brown eyes, and
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a shared sense of style and interests. As she entered adolescence,
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Carly experienced her own struggles. Guiding her along was her
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mother's unconditional love and wisdom. Carly told her mum everything.
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The two shared a very open and honest friendship. Sonia
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supported Carly whilst giving her daughter independence and opportunity to grow.
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Mistakes were inevitable, but they were just lessons learned. Whatever
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came their way, the pair knew they would always have
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each other. Fourteen-year-old Carly Ryan lived with her mother and
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younger brother in Stirling, a quiet and picturesque hinterland town
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in South Australia. Nestled on the southern edge of Mount Lofty,
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Stirling is the gateway to the sprawling Adelaide Hills wine region.
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It's known for its scenic main street, organic cafes, historic
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pub and stately old homes alongside striking contemporary architecture. Yet,
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for all its charm, Carley's hometown didn't offer much excitement
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for a teenager. The population peaked at around two and
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a half thousand people, and visitors only really stopped by
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during autumn to check out the rich colours of the
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tree-lined main street. There were no cinemas, shopping malls or
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music venues, and by nightfall, most of the shops, cafes
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and restaurants were closed. With Adelaide's city centre a 16km
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bus ride away, Stirling's youth were often left to make
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their own fun. It was mostly her interest in the
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music and fashion that drew Carly to the emo subculture
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that was flourishing at the time. The punk-inspired subgroup was
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often associated with dark colours and themes. However, Carly fully
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embraced a spectrum of colour in her fashion, a reflection
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of her bright, creative and playful nature. She wore pinks,
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greens and blues in a variety of patterns, layered with
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jewellery and band t-shirts. She dyed the front part of
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her fringe red, teased up the back, and framed her
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eyes with eyeliner. Personality-wise, Carly was far from the brooding
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and angsty type often associated with the emo scene. She
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was a fun-loving young girl who would go out of
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her way to make others around her smile. Compassionate and caring,
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Carly was always looking out for her friends, asking her
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mother for advice by saying, I'm worried about my friend.
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What can I do? she'd often tell her mum to
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take a break from housework, just so the two could
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put on some music and dance around together. Sonia was
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only in her early 30s, affording her a genuine sense
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of relatability to her teenage daughter. By 2006, the internet
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was branching out from its infancy into a sprawling, seemingly
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endless place of entertainment, knowledge and experiences. Although the internet
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had a long way to go to become the fully
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accessible and influential resource it is today, it was fast
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becoming a staple on many home computers. The seeds of
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online powerhouses and social media hangouts Facebook, YouTube, Reddit and
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Twitter were planted by 2006, but had yet to evolve.
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At the time, MySpace was the biggest social media platform
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in the world, surpassing even Google that year as the
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most visited website. The site offered users a platform to
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submit blogs, photos, music and videos on personalised profiles shared
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to their network of friends. It quickly drew in a
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younger generation looking to make connections far beyond the borders
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of their hometowns. There was still a lot yet to
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learn about the internet and what lurked within it, but
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users approached it with naive optimism, as did the older generations,
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who were coming to grasp this unquantifiable thing that seemed
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like the work of science fiction. Like her peers, Carly
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Ryan found herself drawn to spending time online, where there
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was always something to do or someone to talk to.
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Sitting at the family computer in the kitchen of her home,
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Carly scrolled through forums dedicated to her interests, chatted with
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friends through MSN Messenger, and posted selfies taken with her
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digital camera. Sonia would often look over her daughter's shoulder
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as Carly spent countless hours pursuing her favourite sites and
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exchanging messages back and forth with friends. For Sonia, knowing
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Carly was just in the other room tapping away on
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the keyboard came with a sense of relief. Stranger danger
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was associated with the outside world, where it was visible,
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brash and sudden. The online world seemed the safer option,
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where threats could easily disappear at the press of an
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off button. Carly spent a lot of time on her
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MySpace page. a digital art space she covered in photos
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of herself, lyrics from her favourite songs and art that
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resonated with her. It was online where Carly's friends introduced
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her to a user going by the name of Corrupt Koala.
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Corrupt Koala had been chatting with mutual friends of Carly
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and they had come to know him well. He was
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18-year-old Brandon Kane, a born and raised Texan who now
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lived in South Australia's neighbouring state, Victoria. Carly was quick
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to learn she had a lot in common with Brandon.
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The pair bonded over similar interests including their mutual love
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for music. Brandon was a musician himself and played the guitar.
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He carried himself as a bit of a rebel but
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with a soft emotional edge, just like the musicians Carly admired.
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She was fascinated by his American background and how he
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talked of travelling between his two homes, Australia and the USA.
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Brandon was older, more mature and well-travelled, offering Carly advice
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and support. When he remarked that she was cute, Carly
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was giddy. Over the following months, Brandon became omnipresent in
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Carly's entire life, not just her online one. They exchanged
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email addresses, instant messenger accounts, phone numbers and were chatting
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every single day. In the days before smartphones, video calls
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weren't commonplace, but Brandon sent Carly webcam footage of him
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on the computer whilst the two messaged each other. It
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was as close as possible to seeing him in the flesh.
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For Sonia, hearing about the young musician Carly befriended online
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didn't immediately alarm her, but she did find her daughter's
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sudden infatuation of him strange. Sonia glimpsed the images and
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footage Brandon was sharing of himself. There he was, tapping away.
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at his computer keyboard, a young man exactly as Carly described.
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Sonia's apprehension subsided, but she used her own MySpace profile
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to keep an eye on the pair. One of Carly's
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closest friends had recently started a relationship with a boy
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she'd originally met online. Carly witnessed the couple together, admiring
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the joy and happiness the pair emanated. Seeing an online
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relationship work out in the real world and wanting the
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same thing for herself, Carly embarked upon an online romantic
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relationship with Brandon. Brandon was equally eager to be Carly's boyfriend.
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Not wanting to stand in the way of Carly's happiness,
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Sonia accepted the relationship, She felt her teenage daughter was
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looking for confidence and validation and found it in the
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sweeping thrill of her first romance. The young couple were
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in constant contact, expressing their love for one another. Eventually,
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they started to make plans for the future together. Carly's
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face lit up whenever she spoke of Brandon to friends,
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and he became accepted as a part of her life.
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Their online social media pages were covered in affectionate messages
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to each other. All that remained was for them to
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finally meet in person. It was something Carly was incredibly
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eager to do, but Brandon lived an 80-hour drive away
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in a
different state, making plans to do so difficult.
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By late January 2007, Carly and Brandon had been in
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contact for 18 months. With her 15th birthday coming up,
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Carly saw the opportunity of meeting Brandon in person as
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the best gift she could ask for. She invited Brandon
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to her upcoming birthday party. occurring at her family home
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in Stirling. However, Brandon was quick to shut down her proposal,
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revealing he was going to be in the United States
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at the time and thus unable to attend. Carly was
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clearly upset. Coincidentally, Brandon explained his father Shane would be
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driving through Adelaide for work at the time of Carly's party.
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Brandon asked if his father could stop by her place
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and deliver birthday gifts on his behalf. Previously, Brandon had
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introduced his father Shane to Carly through MySpace. Shane was
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a former SAS commando who now worked as a security
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guard for celebrities. He'd once told Carly about his experiences
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working for goth rock musician Marilyn Manson, and being a fan,
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she was impressed. Carly was happy to interact with Shane
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and build a relationship with him. Being close to Brandon's
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family made Carly feel a part of his life. Shane
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was supportive of the young couple and seemed to have
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their best interests at heart. When Carly asked her mother
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if Shane could attend her birthday party, Sonia was unsure.
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Motherly instincts kicked in. She didn't know Shane well and
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was hesitant for a man she considered a little more
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than a stranger to come to her house. Carly told
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Sonia everything she knew about Shane, assuring her mother he
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was a good guy. Adding to his genuineness was Shane's
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work as a security guard to celebrities, a role that
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would only be given to someone trustworthy. Nevertheless, Sonia could
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hear the faint sound of alarm bells ringing in the
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back of her mind. She considered out loud if Shane
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was a predator. Carly quickly disregarded the suggestion, telling her
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mother she was being gross. After impassioned begging from her daughter,
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Sonia permitted Shane to come to the party on one condition.
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He would have to meet Sonia in a public place first.
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It seemed like the safest option. She wanted to get
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a better feel for the guy before letting him near
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her family. Shane happily agreed to the meet-up. In the
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days leading up to the party, Sonia met Shane on
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the main street of Stirling. He was a fairly unremarkable
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man in his late 40s, with slightly balding hair, a
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beer belly, crooked teeth and hunched shoulders. He explained he
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was in the area for work, a statement backed up
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by the polo shirt he wore that bore the logo
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of his security company. He was doing Brandon a favour
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of delivering birthday gifts to Carly, but thought it was
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a good idea that he finally meet the family of
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his son's affection. Sonia asked to see some form of identification.
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Shane gladly handed over his security badge confirming his name,
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address and occupation. Any doubt Sonia had about the man
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was quickly overshadowed by authentic evidence proving he was everything
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he claimed to be. She felt he was friendly enough,
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and Shane was happy to oblige to Sonia's request to
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calm all her concerns about him. As Shane didn't have
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a hotel booking, Sonia graciously invited him to stay at
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her place for the duration of his trip. It only
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seemed right, considering their children were dating. When Shane met
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other members of the Ryan family, he got along fine
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with everyone. Carly was most excited to meet him as
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she was his direct connection to Brandon. He handed over
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the birthday gifts his son had gotten for her. She
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opened them later, discovering Brandon had purchased her lingerie and
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a nurse's outfit. They weren't items Carly had asked for,
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but she was happy to receive them as Brandon wanted
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her to have them. it appeared Shane was eager to
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make a good impression on Carly on Brandon's behalf. In
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the days leading up to the party, he took her
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shopping at Rundle Mall in Adelaide City, sharing her with
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over $ 400 worth of gifts, including t-shirts, bags, underwear, a
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corset and fancy dress costumes. Anything Carly wanted, Shane would
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get for her. At one clothing store, a shop assistant
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suggested Carly go try on some clothing she was eyeing.
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Shane followed Carly to the change room, and the shop
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assistant witnessed him peering over the door, watching Carly inside.
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The assistant thought it was weird, but Carly didn't seem
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outwardly phased by the action. On the night of January 26, 2007,
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Shane joined Carly's friends and family members in celebrating her
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15th birthday at her home. Everything started off smoothly and
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Carly and her guests were having a great time. But
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as the night wore on, Shane started exhibiting noticeably strange behaviour.
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At one point, Carly was talking to an old friend
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who happened to be her ex-boyfriend. When Shane found out,
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he got visibly agitated and behaved in a way others
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could only describe as a tantrum. He later informed Carly
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he called and spoke to Brandon on the phone about
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her behaviour. Brandon expressed that he wasn't happy Carly was
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talking to her ex. Shane warned her to stay away
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from him, and Carly, wanting to keep her boyfriend happy,
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agreed to the demand. Shane's behaviour towards other guests also
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became increasingly inappropriate. He made other teenage girls uncomfortable when
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encouraging them to kiss each other in front of him,
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even demanding Carly kiss one of her friends, causing the
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girls to label him as creepy. Another partygoer overheard Shane
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tell Carly, I love you. I would never let anything
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happen to you. You're beautiful. Motivated to maintain a good
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relationship with the man she saw as her future father-in-law,
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Carly appeared to brush away any concerns she or others
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felt about Shane. Armed with mother's intuition, Sonia still had
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her doubts. Shane had been around for a few days now,
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and despite accepting the man into her home, she felt
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herself constantly on guard. She tolerated him, but with great caution.
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She was willing to give him the benefit of the
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doubt to make Carly happy and keep the peace, but
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never felt she could fully trust him. The morning after
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the party, Sonia walked past her daughter's bedroom. She peered
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inside to check on Carly, and was horrified to discover
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Shane was laying on her daughter's bed beside her. They
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appeared asleep, and although he was fully clothed and lying
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on top of the sheets, the scene was enough to
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deeply disturb Sonia. There was absolutely no excuse for it.
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The man had crossed the boundary. All of Shane's peculiarities
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flashed through Sonia's mind, now with sinister undertones, like the
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way his gaze lingered on her teenage daughter whenever they
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were together. It was enough to make Sonia's skin crawl.
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She was convinced that Shane was a predator. Enraged, Sonia
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demanded Shane leave her house, telling him he was no
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longer welcome and he was no longer to have any
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contact with Carly. Shane puffed up and got aggressive, defending
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himself against what Sonia was implying. He stormed through the
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house and grabbed his bag, leaving quickly in anger. Carly
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was incredibly upset by the events unfolding, crying and begging
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her mum to reconsider. She cared so passionately about Brandon
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and worried the fight between their parents would jeopardise their relationship.
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Sonia told her daughter firmly, Carly, something isn't right about this.
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Something doesn't feel right. At that moment, something seemed to
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click in Carly's mind. She sat down at the kitchen table,
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looked at her mother, and said, Okay, Mum. After things
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had calmed down, Carly broke down and confided in her mum.
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revealing Shane had unbuckled her pants, lifted her top and
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touched her inappropriately. He had also propositioned her for sex,
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explaining that Brandon wouldn't mind if they did it. Carly
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accepted the man was a creep, but wanted Sonia to
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talk things through with him, to quash any conflict for
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hers and Brandon's sake. But the news of Shane's perversions
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far outweighed her daughter's teen romance. Sonia just wanted to
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keep Carly safe and away from Shane, She obtained Shane's
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email address and sent him a heated message, once again
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warning him to stay away from her daughter or she
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would notify police about what he did to Carly. She
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received a response from Shane's email. He wrote, Bitch please.
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That email was so full of lies and hearsay and
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I am disgusted that someone of a reasonable intelligence could
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believe such crap to be true. The things you called
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me were totally defaming and I have forwarded the email
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onto my solicitor for further action. I sincerely hope you
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have insurance against lawsuits. You will need it. I will
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go into court as a decorated SAS officer, while you
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will go in as a bitch. Determined to keep Shane
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from contacting Carly, Sonia temporarily confiscated Carly's mobile phone, computer
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and internet access. It worked. To their relief, they didn't
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hear from him. As far as Sonia knew, Shane had
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taken her warning seriously. It was unknown whether or not
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Brandon was told what his father did to Carly during
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his stay at the Ryan house. Despite the actions of
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his father, Carly still had feelings for her boyfriend. She
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still hoped they would someday meet so she could clear
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things up between them. Less than one month later, at
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midday on February 19, 2007, Carly told her mum she
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was going to catch a bus into the city to
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meet up with friends. Carly made the trip into Adelaide
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often to go shopping around the Rundle Moor precinct and
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hang out with friends in the surrounding parklands. Afterwards, she
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told her mother she would spend the night at a
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friend's place. Carly put on a leopard print dress with
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a pair of black wedge heels. She grabbed her navy
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blue duffel bag, filling it with necessities for her sleepover.
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This included a change of clothes, a can of hairspray,
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her purse, mobile phone, and a tube of lip balm.
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Throughout her preparations, she stopped to give her mum four
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separate hugs. Sonia noticed her daughter had a funny expression
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on her face that morning, a look that she didn't recognise.
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Carly wasn't her typical cheerful self. Before she left at
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about 4pm, Carly rushed over to give her mum one
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final big hug. Her hold was noticeably tight. When she
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did pull away, Carly headed to the front door. As
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she skipped off the veranda, Carly called out, Love you mum.
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The following morning on February 20, the phone rang at
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the Ryan household. Sonia answered. The caller explained they had
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found a purse left on the footpath of a southern
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suburb of Adelaide. Assuming it was a piece of lost property,
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they looked inside for a form of ID and found
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a phone number, which rang through to Sonia Ryan. A
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sense of nervous panic prickled throughout Sonia's body. The purse
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was Carly's. The suburb Carly's purse was found in was
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not an area the teenager frequented, and it was nowhere
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near where she told her mum she was going to
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spend that night. If Carly had planned to go there,
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she would have been upfront about it. Carly wasn't one
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to lie to her mother. Sonia tried calling Carly's mobile phone,
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but there was no answer. She knew Carly had her
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phone on her when she left the house the day before.
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In fact, Sonia received a text message from Carly the
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night before that read, Mum, I'm okay. Everything's good. Sonia
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contacted Carly's friends, only to discover her daughter hadn't gone
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to the city to meet with who she said, nor
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did she spend the night at any of their houses.
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They had no idea where Carly was. Panic washed over Sonia,
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and she called the police to report her daughter as
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At 6am on the morning of February 20th, Kim Gordon
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was enjoying a walk in her seaside hometown of Port
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Elliot on the Fleurieu Peninsula of South Australia. Located 80
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kilometres from Adelaide CBD, Port Elliot is a popular beach
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town frequented by holidaymakers and surfers. It's most well known
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for its swimming beach, Horseshoe Bay, a secluded stretch of
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pristine coast framed by two granite outcrops and surrounded by
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picnic areas. It was along Horseshoe Bay where Kim took
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her leisurely early morning walk. As she trudged the sandy stretch,
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the sun rose over the distant horizon. She noticed something
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in the water. It was a young female face down
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in the shallows. Panicked, Kim needed help to pull the
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girl from the water. She called out for help, but
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there was no one around. She sprinted to a nearby
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car park and found a local fisherman, Ian Slade. Ian
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rushed down to the shoreline and jumped into the ocean
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to pull the girl from the waves. The clothing on
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the young woman was in disarray and she had numerous
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bruises and lacerations to her neck, face and arms. Ian
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and Kim attempted to resuscitate the girl as an ambulance
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was called. When paramedics arrived, they quickly realised there was
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a little they could do. The young lady was pronounced dead.
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Her body, which contained no form of identification, was labelled
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by police as Jane Doe. Given the extent of the injuries,
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foul play was immediately suspected and a task force was
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quickly established. Police were quick to piece together Sonia Ryan's
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call about her missing daughter and the unknown deceased female
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found in Horseshoe Bay. Sonia Ryan opened her front door
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to be greeted by the police. One had tears rolling
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down his face, and she immediately knew he came bearing
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bad news. They informed her that a body matching the
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description of her daughter had washed up on a secluded
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beach in Port Elliot, about one hour's drive from Stirling.
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Sonia positively identified Jane Doe as her baby girl, Carly.
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An autopsy revealed Carly suffered 19 different injuries, including between
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6 and 8 around her head, likely caused by fists
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or a blunt object. She was found wearing different clothing
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to those which she had left her home in the
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day prior. Her tracksuit pants were inside out, and although
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her bra was on correctly, it appeared hastily clipped together.
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The lower clasp of the strap was undone. Her underwear
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had been removed and was found nearby, tangled up in
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belt suspenders. Cause of death was determined as drowning as
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a result of craniofacial trauma. The presence of sand in
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Carly's lungs suggested her assailant suffocated her face down in
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the sand before dumping her unconscious body in the ocean,
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where she eventually drowned. Experts concluded that Carly may have
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still been alive just half an hour before she was discovered.
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Police searched the shoreline, rocky outcroppings and jetty, and divers
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searched the water. Some items of jewellery belonging to Carly
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were found at a nearby lookout area known as Freeman's Knob.
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None of Carly's friends could provide any answers as to
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why Carly wound up in Port Elliot, nor did they
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have ideas who she may have met there. Some suggested
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Carly had been hanging out with a new group of people,
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ones they didn't know. and perhaps she drove down to
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the coast with them. Police information booths were set up
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in Port Elliot and the nearby town of Victor Harbour.
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The public were urged to come forward with any information
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that could help identify Carly's movements on the night of
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her death. Detectives spent hours analysing local CCTV footage taken
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the day of Carly's death in hopes to track her
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final journey. In footage collected from the nearby seaside tourist
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town of Victor Harbor, they spotted Carly in the presence
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of two men outside the Crown Hotel. The trio were
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then spotted at a fish and chip shop, and later
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at a local Subway food outlet. A worker at the
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fish and chip shop remembered the group stopping by. The
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older man with Carly asked for advice on a good
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place to have a drink. The worker suggested Horseshoe Bay.
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The same man also visited a supermarket As he purchased
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a pack of cigarettes, he asked the cashier a similar
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question about a place to have a drink. The cashier
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also recommended Horseshoe Bay. Two Port Elliot locals, Benjamin and Anna,
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went swimming at Horseshoe Bay at 8.30pm that night. The
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pair recalled a girl matching Carly's description sitting on a
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rock on the sandy shoreline. With her were two men.
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One looked older than the other. The younger male wore
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all black clothing and a black hat. The older male
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wore baggy denim jeans and a red shirt. They were
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both clean shaven and had short, dark hair. Benjamin and
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Dana sat just metres from where Carly and the two
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men were talking, but they couldn't hear the conversation. Around 9.45pm,
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Benjamin and Dana left the beach. When they reached the
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steep steps leading up and away from the shoreline, The
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older man with Carly flashed a torch at them, asking,
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Are you alright? Police pressed forward on identifying the two
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men seen with Carly. The South Australian Electronic Crime Unit
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investigated Carly's online presence, looking for links between her murder
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and her digital profile, believing she may have had online
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contact with her killer or killers. At the time of
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her death, Carly had three different MySpace profiles, but only
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one was visible to the public. She last logged onto
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the site the day before her body was found. Her
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profile page had since become a virtual memorial covered with
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grief-stricken messages from friends. Some read, We will all miss
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--> 00:33:39.450
you Carly, for all the times that we spent together
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and all the laughs we shared. You cheered us up
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when we were having bad days and you always showed
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us the bright side of everything. You were such a
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wonderful person and you will forever live on in our
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hearts and memories. Rest in peace, Carly. You were an
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amazing girl and always managed to make me smile. You
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will be missed by everyone who ever had the privilege
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to meet you. I love you. Today I woke up
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hoping it was all a dream, but it did happen.
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I saw the newspaper today. Your pretty face was on
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the cover. I just started crying. As investigators scrolled through
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Carly's online content searching for clues, the media were doing
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the same. Carly's MySpace profile was full of artistic expression
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related to the emo subculture she was engaged in, including
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00:34:37.199 --> 00:34:40.690
dark imagery and text. The media were quick to take
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the content out of context and paint a picture of
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Carly that was far from the outgoing, bubbly teen she was.
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They made unproven connections between the emo subculture and Carly's death,
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and in the harshest of cases, found a way to
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blame her interest in the scene for her death. Hungry
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for salacious information, reporters camped outside the gates of Carly's school.
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Morning students were confronted with prying questions as journalists digged
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into Carly's personal life, determined to find any sliver of
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information that would create a striking headline. The scrutiny became
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so intense, the media were officially told to get off
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the property and stop harassing students. Meanwhile, police were informed
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of the presence of a light blue car with Victoria
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State registration plates seen by witnesses in Port Elliot and
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Victor Harbour the day Carly was there. It was also
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spotted parked on the cliffs overlooking Horseshoe Bay the night
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before Carly's body was discovered. A security guard's ID was
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00:35:44.079 --> 00:35:50.699
noticed on the passenger side dashboard. It was 11 days
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after Carly's body was found when police raided a home
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located in Rosebud West on Victoria's Mornington Peninsula, approximately 75
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kilometres southeast of Melbourne's CBD. Parked out front was the
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light blue car they had been searching for. Inside, they
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found 48-year-old Gary Newman. Newman was well known to Carly
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Ryan and her family, but they knew him by a
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00:36:17.250 --> 00:36:17.889
different name.
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Shane.
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Shane was the father of Carly's online boyfriend, Brandon Kane.
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In reality, Shane was actually the alter ego of Gary Newman,
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a divorced father of three When police arrived to arrest
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00:36:36.349 --> 00:36:39.750
him in relation to Carly Ryan's murder, Newman was sitting
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00:36:39.789 --> 00:36:43.010
at the computer. He was logged into an online chat
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room and conversing with a 14-year-old girl in Perth, Western Australia.
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As for Brandon Kane, Carly's boyfriend whom she had been
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00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:59.079
speaking with for 18 months prior, he didn't exist. Brandon
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00:36:59.119 --> 00:37:02.530
was nothing more than another construct of Gary Newman's. who
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00:37:02.570 --> 00:37:08.909
hid behind the persona online to groom young girls. For
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00:37:08.909 --> 00:37:12.130
18 months, Newman methodically strung together an intricate web of
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lies to manipulate Carly Ryan. He bombarded her with messages
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from the fictitious Brandon, an identity he designed specifically to
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00:37:20.739 --> 00:37:24.519
attract Carly, mimicking her own interests and playing on her
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00:37:24.579 --> 00:37:29.719
personal insecurities and vulnerabilities. Newman went to great lengths to
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00:37:29.739 --> 00:37:33.179
keep up the charade, Even the webcam footage believed to
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be Brandon typing at his computer to Carly was faked
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00:37:36.260 --> 00:37:39.199
by Newman. It was just looped footage he had edited
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00:37:39.239 --> 00:37:43.409
together of someone else. The security company he claimed to
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00:37:43.449 --> 00:37:47.329
work for was also a fabrication. Newman had not only
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00:37:47.369 --> 00:37:50.130
created a fake ID to play the part, but even
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went so far as to sew the fake company's logo
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00:37:52.610 --> 00:37:55.929
onto a polo shirt. He wore it when meeting Sonia
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00:37:55.969 --> 00:37:59.869
for the first time to uphold the lie. His deception
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00:37:59.889 --> 00:38:03.309
was so intricately layered, Newman had literally thought of
everything.
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Even when Sonia had her doubts about him, he was
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00:38:06.670 --> 00:38:11.010
always one step ahead, controlling the situation with more convincing lies.
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While executing the search of Newman's home, police found computer
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disks and hard drives with thousands of images of child pornography.
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00:38:22.360 --> 00:38:25.559
Newman had kept thorough records of over 200 fake online
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profiles he created to groom young girls. Pages and pages
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00:38:29.900 --> 00:38:32.619
of notebooks were filled with details of all his fake
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identities and phony accounts, including fake names, mobile phone numbers,
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00:38:37.400 --> 00:38:41.050
social media pages and the passwords associated with each one.
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Police were astounded. They had never seen such a large-scale
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00:38:46.110 --> 00:38:52.409
and elaborate set-up before. A deep dive into Newman's online
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identity revealed Carly was not the first girl he had
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00:38:55.309 --> 00:38:59.710
preyed upon. He previously visited a 14-year-old girl in America
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whom he had also groomed online using a false identity.
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He had referred to her in messages as his princess
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and wife. She turned down his advances upon discovering the truth. Then,
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prior to meeting Carly, Newman arranged to meet another victim
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in Hong Kong, this time using the alias of Nash. Yet,
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that 14-year-old girl never showed up to their pre-planned meeting.
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Newman was infuriated. According to witness statements, he promised he
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would get revenge on the girl, saying he would leave
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her looking like packaged meat. Phone and internet records proved
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Newman was in contact with Carly for months prior to
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her death. On the day after her death, Newman logged
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into Shane's MySpace page and purged all interactions posted there
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between himself and Carly. Brandon's MySpace account was fully deleted,
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but it was able to be recovered, and messages between
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Carly and Newman, pretending to be Brandon, were exposed. Shane's
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MySpace page had only four friends listed. Only three were visible.
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One was Carly. A second was a girl named Jadie.
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and the third was a close friend of Carly of
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the same
age. Police believed Newman hadn't targeted Carly specifically.
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Evidence suggested he had attempted to groom various girls from
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Carly's friendship circle. Failing one attempt, he moved on to another,
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and kept making his way through his pool of potential
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00:40:35.469 --> 00:40:42.329
targets until he snared someone. Carly. Brandon was Newman's blank canvas,
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whom he designed to appeal to whichever girl he was
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attempting to groom at the time. He scrolled through Carly's
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online profiles, noting her interests and favourite bands, making them
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Brandon's also. One of Carly's friends pursued by Brandon was Ashley.
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She stated, quote, We would talk about normal stuff, like
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what we did during the day, and then he would
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00:41:07.300 --> 00:41:10.539
bring up sex stuff. I wouldn't talk like that and
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I didn't go along with it. That's when he said
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I was boring. When Ashley posted a picture on her
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profile page featuring Carly, Newman narrowed in on his new target.
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He told Ashley he thought Carly looked hot and asked
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for her email address. Handwritten notes by Newman were found
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in his home. They were titled Adelaide Slut, with Carly's
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contact details scrawled beneath. Alongside them he had written the words,
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Rest in peace Carly. Investigators believed after Newman had been
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kicked out of the Ryan house, he re-established contact with
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Carly through his Brandon persona. To bypass Sonia's attempts to
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stop him from contacting Carly, Newman would call the home
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phone while Sonia was at work. Using Brandon, Newman tricked
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Carly into meeting him the night of her death. He
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convinced her to lie to Sonia about where she was
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really going that night. Carly shared an open and honest
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relationship with her mum. but was forced to break that
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trust under the impression it was worth it to meet
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the love of her life. In reality, Newman was luring
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her to a secluded location that she was unfamiliar with,
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where he knew he could be alone with her. The
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MySpace profile Newman used to
pose as Brandon's father, Shane,
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contained a short bio providing a glimpse into the man
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behind the mask. It read, I may not be a
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kid anymore but I tend to act much younger than
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I am and never ever call this a midlife crisis.
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To me there is no such thing. All throughout our
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lives we are going through changes. Even people in their
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late teens and early twenties do. It's called evolution. I
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00:43:00.699 --> 00:43:04.809
am forthright and self-opinionated and this annoys some people but
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they can either live with it or hate it. Either
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00:43:07.650 --> 00:43:11.030
way they are not going to change me. I may
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not be a kid anymore but I tend to act
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much younger than I am. I do go for women
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somewhat younger than me, usually someone sexually adventurous. He described
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himself as having tattoos, multiple piercings, and that he was
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a former military commando trying to get his security licence
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back after some financial disasters and years of travelling the world.
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He mentioned having custody of a beautiful and loving son,
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that no one could ever take away from him. That
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son was a 17-year-old who was also arrested at Newman's
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home in relation to Carly Ryan's murder. He had recently
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been returned to Newman's custody after years in the foster
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care system. He was identified as being the younger male
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last seen with Carly on the night she was murdered.
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Due to the fact he was underage at the time
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of Carly's death, his full identity was protected and his
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name wasn't publicly released. Evidence was discovered that put both
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men at the crime scene. Sand was found on shoes
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belonging to both Newman and his son. Tests of the
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00:44:20.860 --> 00:44:23.639
sand grains and shell fragments resulted in a match for
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the sand at Horseshoe Bay. Furthermore, the sand on Victoria's
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coastline where Newman and his son lived was completely different.
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Proving the sand on their shoes came from the crime scene.
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Witnesses around Victor Harbour were also able to positively identify
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Newman's son in a line-up as one of the men
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with Carly the afternoon of her murder. After the arrests
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were made, a memorial was held for Carly in the
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tranquil grounds of Centennial Park. Around 150 friends and family attended.
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Sonia Ryan described her daughter as special, loving, caring, humorous, strong,
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Whilst awaiting trial, Gary Newman asked fellow inmates whether salt
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water destroyed DNA and queried whether they ever tried putting
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clothes on a dead weight. He wrote to relatives requesting
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they provide him
with a false alibi at the time
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of Carly's murder. The trial began 965 days after Carly
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Ryan's body was found. On October 19 2009, Gary Newman
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and his now 19-year-old son stood trial in the Adelaide
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Supreme Court. Both pled not guilty. Before proceedings began, Supreme
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Court Judge Justice Trish Kelly declared all evidence of Newman's
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predatory pursuit of other underage victims to be inadmissible and prejudicial.
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This was an act to keep the jury focused purely
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on evidence related to Carly. From the very beginning, Newman
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made it clear he wasn't going to make it an
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easy trial. He took the stand in January 2010, his
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testimony full of lies and conflicting stories. Initially, he blamed
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his obsession with the internet on bipolar and obsessive-compulsive disorders
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that caused him to go off for no reason at
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stupid things. He said he had since been medicated and
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become a better person. He justified his hundreds of fake
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identities as smart, stating he had taken expert advice and
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used bogus names when interacting online to avoid identity theft.
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He also claimed the 200 false identities he created were
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research for a book he was writing about the internet.
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Newman insisted he only had a parental relationship with Carly.
704
00:48:34.349 --> 00:48:37.530
He considered himself a stepfather figure to her, providing her
705
00:48:37.570 --> 00:48:41.349
with advice and chatting about movies and music. He claimed
706
00:48:41.389 --> 00:48:43.989
he always related well to young people, but it did
707
00:48:44.030 --> 00:48:49.210
not manifest into a sexual attraction. Despite admitting he found
708
00:48:49.309 --> 00:48:53.369
Carly attractive, Newman quickly added that he was asexual and
709
00:48:53.429 --> 00:49:00.440
therefore felt no sexual interest to anyone. The prosecution referred
710
00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:03.619
to the lingerie and fancy dress costumes Newman had gifted
711
00:49:03.690 --> 00:49:06.809
Carly for her birthday, demonstrating that he did in fact
712
00:49:06.829 --> 00:49:11.510
harbour a sexual interest in her. Furthermore, Newman displayed sexual
713
00:49:11.570 --> 00:49:15.400
jealousy during Carly's birthday party, becoming angry when seeing her
714
00:49:15.460 --> 00:49:21.619
interacting with her ex-boyfriend. When Sonia Ryan took the stand,
715
00:49:21.980 -->
00:49:24.980
she revealed to the court how Carly had disclosed Newman's
716
00:49:25.019 --> 00:49:30.900
inappropriate behaviour whilst he visited the Ryan household. Faced with
717
00:49:30.920 --> 00:49:35.139
the indisputable CCTV footage showing Newman, his son and Carly
718
00:49:35.179 --> 00:49:38.309
together on the afternoon of her murder, Newman was forced
719
00:49:38.349 --> 00:49:40.670
to admit he was with Carly the night of her death.
720
00:49:42.010 --> 00:49:44.369
Newman explained that he drove Carly and his son to
721
00:49:44.429 --> 00:49:47.860
a party in Port Elliot. Later in the night, Carly
722
00:49:47.889 --> 00:49:50.760
refused his offer of a lift back home, so he
723
00:49:50.780 --> 00:49:54.619
and his son left without her. According to Newman's story,
724
00:49:54.880 --> 00:49:56.860
Carly was alive and well when they left her on
725
00:49:56.900 --> 00:49:59.960
the beach and returned to Victoria. They didn't learn about
726
00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:05.239
her death until three days later. Newman also claimed that
727
00:50:05.260 --> 00:50:09.099
the co-accused, his son, was the sole creator and operator
728
00:50:09.159 --> 00:50:15.340
of the Brandon fake identity. According to Newman, news of
729
00:50:15.380 --> 00:50:18.840
Carly's death had broken his heart. He told the court
730
00:50:18.960 --> 00:50:22.480
he had called Crimestoppers with information, a claim that was
731
00:50:22.539 --> 00:50:26.880
proven to be false. It was clear to prosecutors that
732
00:50:26.920 --> 00:50:30.239
Newman lied with ease and without guilt, even when his
733
00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:33.880
deception was obvious to others. He dodged and weaved around
734
00:50:33.900 --> 00:50:36.760
the evidence presented, shaping a narrative that he was a
735
00:50:36.800 --> 00:50:40.480
sacrificial lamb to his son, only taking responsibility for the
736
00:50:40.519 --> 00:50:42.679
murder so that his son wouldn't have to spend his
737
00:50:42.739 --> 00:50:47.610
life behind bars. Yet, key evidence at the trial by
738
00:50:47.639 --> 00:50:50.690
another of Newman's sons gave jurors a stark look into
739
00:50:50.730 --> 00:50:55.210
the man's true behaviour. Newman's older son testified that Newman
740
00:50:55.250 --> 00:50:58.670
was furious after returning home from Carly's birthday party when
741
00:50:58.730 --> 00:51:02.190
Sonia had kicked him out. Newman told his sons that
742
00:51:02.230 --> 00:51:05.150
he wanted to go on holiday back to Adelaide, before
743
00:51:05.210 --> 00:51:09.130
commenting that he was going to fix Carly up. Newman
744
00:51:09.170 --> 00:51:13.280
wanted them to help him kill her. His sons didn't
745
00:51:13.320 --> 00:51:15.940
really believe he was capable of murder, so they shook
746
00:51:15.960 --> 00:51:19.579
it off as an empty threat. Nevertheless, his eldest son
747
00:51:19.599 --> 00:51:22.960
was shocked and disturbed at the mere suggestion. He moved
748
00:51:23.039 --> 00:51:25.920
out of the house shortly after, leaving behind a heated
749
00:51:26.039 --> 00:51:32.179
letter to his father, deterring him from hurting others. Newman's
750
00:51:32.260 --> 00:51:34.559
eldest son was shocked to learn a few days later
751
00:51:34.679 --> 00:51:37.840
that Newman had convinced his 17-year-old younger brother to go
752
00:51:37.860 --> 00:51:41.460
to Adelaide. Carly was reluctant to have anything to do
753
00:51:41.519 --> 00:51:44.760
with who she knew as Shane. Newman knew she wouldn't
754
00:51:44.800 --> 00:51:48.739
go somewhere with Shane alone. He needed Brandon to be real,
755
00:51:49.039 --> 00:51:52.159
to coax Carly to go with him. The part of
756
00:51:52.239 --> 00:51:58.309
Brandon was played by his teenage son. Upon his return
757
00:51:58.329 --> 00:52:01.070
to Melbourne, Newman bragged to his eldest son about the
758
00:52:01.090 --> 00:52:05.130
crime Newman showed off his discoloured knuckles and asked, do
759
00:52:05.150 --> 00:52:08.250
these look bruised to you? He boasted that he'd done
760
00:52:08.269 --> 00:52:11.230
the job and confessed he punched Carly in the face,
761
00:52:11.670 --> 00:52:14.690
pushed her into the sand, killed her and threw her
762
00:52:14.730 --> 00:52:21.769
into the water. In an outrageous display in court, Newman
763
00:52:21.829 --> 00:52:25.639
constantly argued with his lawyer. His lawyer actually tried to
764
00:52:25.679 --> 00:52:28.320
resign from the case on two separate occasions as he
765
00:52:28.360 --> 00:52:31.559
thought Newman was intentionally hindering his efforts at a fair trial.
766
00:52:33.619 --> 00:52:36.000
As the end of the trial drew near and Newman
767
00:52:36.059 --> 00:52:39.429
sensed things weren't going his way, he suffered an apparent
768
00:52:39.489 --> 00:52:43.150
seizure after he was labelled a liar. His behaviour and
769
00:52:43.170 --> 00:52:46.730
demeanour started to change and he was put under suicide watch.
770
00:52:51.750 --> 00:52:56.849
The co-accused, Newman's son, was more cooperative. He confessed to
771
00:52:56.869 --> 00:53:00.219
a social worker while in juvenile detention, admitting he and
772
00:53:00.260 --> 00:53:02.460
his father met up with Carly and had taken her
773
00:53:02.519 --> 00:53:06.389
to the beach. Using the mask of Brandon, his father
774
00:53:06.429 --> 00:53:09.269
tricked Carly into meeting them, telling her not to tell
775
00:53:09.309 --> 00:53:12.090
her mother as Shane would be there and Sonia would
776
00:53:12.130 --> 00:53:15.550
never agree to it. Carly was convinced to meet when
777
00:53:15.610 --> 00:53:18.030
Brandon stated that Shane was just giving him a lift
778
00:53:18.070 --> 00:53:20.559
to Adelaide and if he didn't take it, then they
779
00:53:20.599 --> 00:53:24.559
couldn't be together. Newman's son had only been in his
780
00:53:24.599 --> 00:53:26.860
father's custody for less than a month when he was
781
00:53:26.900 --> 00:53:29.440
invited to go to
Adelaide to play the part of Brandon.
782
00:53:31.719 --> 00:53:34.079
The son revealed that as the group sat and talked
783
00:53:34.119 --> 00:53:37.219
on the sandy shore of Horseshoe Bay, his father made
784
00:53:37.280 --> 00:53:40.900
an advance at Carly once again. When she got up
785
00:53:40.940 --> 00:53:43.800
and started to walk away, Newman stood and jumped on
786
00:53:43.840 --> 00:53:46.880
her from behind, pushing her into the sand and punching
787
00:53:46.920 --> 00:53:52.969
her in the head. With Carly incapacitated, Newman continued his attack.
788
00:53:57.210 --> 00:54:00.190
Newman's son admitted he helped his father cover up the crime,
789
00:54:01.360 --> 00:54:03.880
They even sent the text message to Sonia Ryan from
790
00:54:03.940 --> 00:54:08.090
Carly's mobile phone after her death. Pretending to be Carly,
791
00:54:08.889 --> 00:54:14.389
they wrote that everything was fine. Finally accepting there was
792
00:54:14.429 --> 00:54:17.239
no way out of his web of lies, Newman admitted
793
00:54:17.320 --> 00:54:20.039
he did attack Carly, but insisted that he had no
794
00:54:20.099 --> 00:54:24.260
intention of killing her. However, his fate was sealed when
795
00:54:24.300 --> 00:54:27.019
it was revealed a fingertip of a latex glove containing
796
00:54:27.059 --> 00:54:30.730
his DNA was found at the crime scene. This proved
797
00:54:30.750 --> 00:54:33.969
the murder was premeditated, as he arrived to the meet-up
798
00:54:34.050 --> 00:54:40.320
prepared with equipment necessary to cover up his crime. For
799
00:54:40.320 --> 00:54:43.199
12 weeks, the jury were told of the elaborate lies
800
00:54:43.280 --> 00:54:46.139
Newman maintained in order to win the heart of Carly Ryan.
801
00:54:46.960 --> 00:54:49.440
They heard about the extraordinary lengths he went to to
802
00:54:49.539 --> 00:54:54.309
uphold the fictitious character of Brandon Kane. Gary Newman showed
803
00:54:54.369 --> 00:54:56.989
no reaction when the court found him guilty of Carly
804
00:54:57.030 --> 00:55:00.699
Ryan's murder. he was sentenced to life in prison with
805
00:55:00.760 --> 00:55:06.519
a non-parole period of 29 years. Upon sentencing, Justice Trish
806
00:55:06.559 --> 00:55:12.090
Kelly said to Newman, quote, It was a terribly cruel
807
00:55:12.130 --> 00:55:16.650
thing you did to this beautiful, impressionable 14-year-old child. I
808
00:55:16.690 --> 00:55:19.909
say child because that is what she was, in love
809
00:55:19.949 --> 00:55:23.230
with the idea of the handsome, musically inclined and rather
810
00:55:23.309 --> 00:55:27.039
exotic Brandon Cain, who spent Christmas in the United States
811
00:55:27.059 --> 00:55:29.590
with and was coming home via Paris to be with her.
812
00:55:31.090 --> 00:55:35.440
The real man was an overweight, balding, middle-aged pedophile with
813
00:55:35.559 --> 00:55:39.079
sex and murder on his mind. When your deception came
814
00:55:39.159 --> 00:55:42.699
unravelled and
unstuck, you killed her, leaving in your wake
815
00:55:42.739 --> 00:55:50.750
a devastated and inconsolably grief-stricken mother, family and friends. After
816
00:55:50.769 --> 00:55:56.030
the sentencing, Sonia Ryan said, quote, I hope that he suffers.
817
00:55:56.570 --> 00:55:59.190
that he rots from the inside out, that he sees
818
00:55:59.230 --> 00:56:01.869
Carly's face every morning and is haunted for the rest
819
00:56:01.889 --> 00:56:05.940
of his miserable life. This has been a big media circus,
820
00:56:06.539 --> 00:56:09.019
but people need to remember Carly was a real person.
821
00:56:09.820 --> 00:56:14.300
A baby, a toddler, a child, a teenager, who did
822
00:56:14.380 --> 00:56:20.550
nothing wrong but to trust a traitor. It couldn't be
823
00:56:20.590 --> 00:56:23.369
proven just how much of a participant Newman's son was
824
00:56:23.449 --> 00:56:27.030
in the lead-up to Carly's murder. The prosecution argued the
825
00:56:27.090 --> 00:56:31.360
fake MySpace page associated with fictitious Brandon was operated by
826
00:56:31.409 --> 00:56:34.420
both Newman and his son, either in conjunction or at
827
00:56:34.460 --> 00:56:38.440
different times. It was also put forward that the two
828
00:56:38.480 --> 00:56:41.980
other private MySpace accounts linked to Carly were actually set
829
00:56:42.039 --> 00:56:44.699
up and run by Newman himself as a means to
830
00:56:44.739 --> 00:56:47.599
speak with her directly and without the knowledge or notice
831
00:56:47.659 --> 00:56:53.159
of others. Unable to determine the extent of Newman's son's
832
00:56:53.239 --> 00:56:56.480
plot or participation in the murder of Carly the jury
833
00:56:56.519 --> 00:57:00.610
acquitted him of both murder and manslaughter. They couldn't find
834
00:57:00.619 --> 00:57:03.690
him guilty of a lesser offence, such as assisting an offender,
835
00:57:04.190 --> 00:57:08.929
because he was never charged with that crime. Newman nodded
836
00:57:08.989 --> 00:57:11.849
and smiled when his son was acquitted, as his son
837
00:57:11.909 --> 00:57:16.269
mouthed thank you to the jurors. Outside court, his lawyer
838
00:57:16.309 --> 00:57:19.030
said his client was relieved and wanted to go back
839
00:57:19.070 --> 00:57:23.980
to his hometown and get on with his life. At
840
00:57:24.019 --> 00:57:26.119
the time of the trial, there had been a suppression
841
00:57:26.179 --> 00:57:29.219
order in place concealing the identities of both Newman and
842
00:57:29.239 --> 00:57:33.360
his son from the public. News publication The Advertiser later
843
00:57:33.400 --> 00:57:36.719
revealed they fought to have the identities of Carly's killers publicised,
844
00:57:37.050 --> 00:57:40.710
as the public had a right to know. They were
845
00:57:40.769 --> 00:57:43.349
able to strike a bargain with the Supreme Court, who
846
00:57:43.409 --> 00:57:46.949
lifted the order hiding Newman's identity. His name and face
847
00:57:46.989 --> 00:57:51.989
were quickly circulated throughout media outlets. However, as his son
848
00:57:52.030 --> 00:57:58.690
was acquitted, his identity suppression order was maintained. Journalist Sean
849
00:57:58.750 --> 00:58:01.829
Fuster wrote an article on Carly's death for the advertiser,
850
00:58:02.170 --> 00:58:06.050
titled The Masked Murderer and The Girl Whose Death Changed
851
00:58:06.070 --> 00:58:12.909
the Internet. In it he stated, quote, The boy's identity
852
00:58:13.030 --> 00:58:16.590
was forever consigned to the vault of South Australian state secrets.
853
00:58:17.610 --> 00:58:20.429
That meant the advertiser could not link him years later.
854
00:58:20.869 --> 00:58:25.199
to a series of grotesque sexual offending committed elsewhere. Nor
855
00:58:25.239 --> 00:58:28.579
could it report on the circumstances of those crimes, each
856
00:58:28.619 --> 00:58:35.610
of which horrifyingly mirrored the events preceding Carly's death. Once
857
00:58:35.639 --> 00:58:40.289
his identity was publicly revealed, Newman's ex-wife came forward, further
858
00:58:40.349 --> 00:58:44.349
exposing him as a violent sexual deviant. For the ten
859
00:58:44.389 --> 00:58:46.489
years of their marriage, she lived in fear of Newman,
860
00:58:46.909 --> 00:58:49.449
who would lash out at her with rage-fuelled bashings at
861
00:58:49.510 --> 00:58:53.670
any slight perceived indiscretion. She recalled the time he left
862
00:58:53.710 --> 00:58:55.989
her bloody when she wanted to go shopping with a friend.
863
00:58:56.929 --> 00:58:59.480
The beating was interrupted by the woman's mother, who called
864
00:58:59.539 --> 00:59:02.639
a doctor. When the doctor asked the woman if Newman
865
00:59:02.659 --> 00:59:06.119
had harmed her, Newman crushed her hand to keep her silent.
866
00:59:07.219 --> 00:59:12.210
The doctor didn't report it. Furthermore, his ex-wife revealed Newman
867
00:59:12.250 --> 00:59:16.230
liked extreme pornography featuring young women dressed as schoolgirls, and
868
00:59:16.250 --> 00:59:18.289
he had once plied a girl with alcohol in an
869
00:59:18.349 --> 00:59:22.730
attempt to rape her. She claimed that Newman's true identity
870
00:59:22.829 --> 00:59:27.869
was ignored by his family, friends, police, doctors, hospital staff,
871
00:59:28.309 --> 00:59:34.250
and the courts. Newman subsequently appealed his conviction on several grounds.
872
00:59:35.130 --> 00:59:37.449
One of those claimed Sonia Ryan should not have been
873
00:59:37.489 --> 00:59:40.670
allowed to give evidence at trial as he believed conversations
874
00:59:40.730 --> 00:59:43.949
she had with Carly were hearsay, including the one where
875
00:59:43.969 --> 00:59:49.320
Carly revealed she had been inappropriately touched. In April 2011,
876
00:59:49.320 --> 00:59:54.320
his appeal was rejected. Judges believed it was important the
877
00:59:54.360 --> 00:59:57.239
jury be provided with context about events leading up to
878
00:59:57.280 --> 01:00:00.780
the murder. and evidence that Newman intended to kill Carly
879
01:00:00.840 --> 01:00:10.130
was still overwhelming without Sonia Ryan's testimony. Carly Ryan was
880
01:00:10.170 --> 01:00:13.110
the first Australian to be murdered by an online predator.
881
01:00:14.750 --> 01:00:18.900
A day doesn't pass without Sonia thinking of her daughter. Quote,
882
01:00:21.199 --> 01:00:25.590
You can imagine from a mother's perspective. I asked myself constantly,
883
01:00:26.110 --> 01:00:28.449
how couldn't I see that she was in so much danger?
884
01:00:29.739 --> 01:00:32.739
The amount of depravity and controlling, the length she went
885
01:00:32.760 --> 01:00:35.800
through to get hold of her. I was no match
886
01:00:35.840 --> 01:00:39.579
for that. He used her best qualities to lure her
887
01:00:39.659 --> 01:00:44.960
to her death. The murder of her daughter left Sonia shattered.
888
01:00:46.000 --> 01:00:49.139
Since her birth, Carly had given Sonia reason to live.
889
01:00:50.360 --> 01:00:53.530
Now that she was gone, Sonia struggled to go on.
890
01:00:55.519 --> 01:01:00.300
Sonia Ryan, quote, When everything happened to Carly, it was
891
01:01:00.380 --> 01:01:02.980
like being pulled into some kind of black abyss that
892
01:01:03.019 --> 01:01:06.840
Gary Newman had created. I can't sit in that space
893
01:01:07.119 --> 01:01:09.539
because it's sitting in her suffering and it would just
894
01:01:09.599 --> 01:01:13.380
dissolve my soul. I think what people don't realise is
895
01:01:13.400 --> 01:01:18.000
the trauma and I wouldn't want them to realise. Unfortunately,
896
01:01:18.079 --> 01:01:22.199
these crimes continue to happen. Carly suffered terribly at the
897
01:01:22.239 --> 01:01:25.570
hands of a monster with no remorse. Where does that
898
01:01:25.610 --> 01:01:28.519
leave me as her mother? That leaves me in a
899
01:01:28.559 --> 01:01:31.739
position to either die or find the strength somewhere from
900
01:01:31.800 --> 01:01:36.159
within to fight. Fight not only for Carly, but fight
901
01:01:36.219 --> 01:01:38.860
for every single young person that is online trying to
902
01:01:38.920 --> 01:01:42.760
make connections. I believe this is what Carly would want
903
01:01:42.800 --> 01:01:49.019
me to do. Determined for her daughter's death not to
904
01:01:49.059 --> 01:01:53.320
be in vain, Sonia established the Carly Ryan Foundation. a
905
01:01:53.340 --> 01:01:59.730
not-for-profit organisation dedicated to promoting internet safety. Sonia has worked
906
01:01:59.829 --> 01:02:03.989
tirelessly for over a decade educating schoolchildren, families and the
907
01:02:04.050 --> 01:02:08.250
community about the dangers of online interaction and providing support,
908
01:02:08.670 --> 01:02:13.409
counselling and political advocacy. Her efforts earned her the title
909
01:02:13.449 --> 01:02:19.199
of 2013 South Australian of the Year. Sonia Ryan, quote,
910
01:02:21.010 --> 01:02:24.480
The internet is an amazing tool for education and communication,
911
01:02:25.019 --> 01:02:26.840
but we have to be aware of the dangers it
912
01:02:26.880 --> 01:02:30.599
can pose as well. Carly's story reminds us that not
913
01:02:30.659 --> 01:02:33.260
everyone online is who they say they are, and that
914
01:02:33.280 --> 01:02:36.199
we need to question what we're told, not just accept
915
01:02:36.260 --> 01:02:42.789
it and trust it. In June 2017, after a vigorous
916
01:02:42.829 --> 01:02:46.550
crusade at both state and federal level, Carly's law was
917
01:02:46.610 --> 01:02:49.710
passed into the Commonwealth Criminal Code by the Australian Government.
918
01:02:51.070 --> 01:02:53.090
The new law makes it a crime for an adult
919
01:02:53.130 --> 01:02:56.949
to use a carriage service to plan, prepare, cause harm to,
920
01:02:57.409 --> 01:03:01.210
or engage in sexual activity with a minor. It carries
921
01:03:01.269 --> 01:03:06.530
a 10-year maximum prison term for offenders. The first arrest
922
01:03:06.610 --> 01:03:09.070
under Carly's law was made just a few weeks later.
923
01:03:11.010 --> 01:03:15.519
In May 2018, Carly's law was further strengthened in South Australia.
924
01:03:16.260 --> 01:03:18.920
A tougher version of the law was passed. making it
925
01:03:18.960 --> 01:03:21.440
illegal for a person to lie about their age in
926
01:03:21.480 --> 01:03:24.219
an attempt to meet a child, even if they don't
927
01:03:24.260 --> 01:03:30.179
intend to commit a crime against the child. After Carly's
928
01:03:30.219 --> 01:03:33.659
law was enacted, a patchwork quilt made from the teenager's
929
01:03:33.719 --> 01:03:36.800
favourite clothes was hung up on a wall in Parliament House.
930
01:03:38.079 --> 01:03:40.239
Each piece of fabric is in the shape of a heart,
931
01:03:41.019 --> 01:03:44.760
a colourful display of reds, greens, blues, pinks and whites
932
01:03:45.079 --> 01:03:49.829
in polka dots, stripes and checkered patterns, At its centre
933
01:03:49.889 --> 01:03:52.829
is the largest heart, made from a green fabric with
934
01:03:52.889 --> 01:03:56.469
white dots, cut out from what was once Carly's favourite dress.
935
01:03:57.690 --> 01:03:59.829
She wore it during a mock wedding she once had
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with a friend. Just a fun and silly day she
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looked back on with joy. After the memorial quilt was unveiled,
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Sonia Ryan wrote a piece for the advertiser. Quote, My
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daughter's favourite pyjamas are hanging in federal parliaments. They're hanging there,
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in the hallways of power, when really the only hallway
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they should be hanging in is mine. But that'll never
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happen now. Aged just 15, my beautiful daughter Carly was
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murdered by a pedophile who lied about his
age online.
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I fought with every breath in my body for Carly's legacy.
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I met with Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull as his government
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announced Carly's law. It'll end the loophole leaving kids vulnerable
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to predators. Police will better identify sick, predatory activity online
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to prevent horrific sex crimes against our kids. As I
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write this, sitting in Parliament under my daughter's pyjamas, I
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feel closer to her than ever, and also more determined.
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I'd hate any other mother to live through what I've endured.
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Carly's death will no longer be in vain. Together, we're
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stopping any other family going through the horrendous pain that
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mine has. If you have a daughter, go home and
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squeeze her tighter than you've ever squeezed her. Tell her
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you love her over and again, and know that she'll
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be safer from today thanks to a perfect, compassionate, forever
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young 15-year-old girl called Carly. Further adding to Sonia's grief
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was knowing Carly had her mobile phone on her prior
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to her murder, but was unable to find an opportune
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moment to call or text her for help. This inspired
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Sonia to create Thread. Thread is a safety app free
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to download on mobile phones. If the user feels at
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all in danger or threatened, they can send a discreet
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alert that reveals their location to trusted contacts and emergency services.
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It was important to Sonia to provide safer options for
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children to request help if needed, but not discourage parents
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from letting their children go out into the world and
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seek independence. The app is currently only available in Australia,
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but the Carly Ryan Foundation hoped to get funding to
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make it available worldwide. The name of the app was
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inspired by a fable that resonated with Sonia. The story
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of a daughter wanting to meet her suitor in a
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dark cave, and a mother who had her worries, but
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didn't want to stop her daughter from independence and discovery.
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It is the thread pulled from the mother's skirt that
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keeps them connected. regardless of where the daughter travels. The
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thread would also bring the daughter safely back to the mother,
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if she found danger.
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I'm sorry, Máitha.
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I have to go now.
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Good night and good night.
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I'll be back when I'm ready. As soon as I
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get home, I'll be back. And good night. I hope
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you'll be fine. Good night, Máitha. Good night. Good night.
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Good night. Good night.
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Good night.