CELab - Ep 167 - Dan Braithwaite - ILT Reborn! How Mediaocean Builds Engagement & Community in Customer Education through Live Engagement
In this episode of the Customer Education Lab, host Dave Derington welcomes Dan Braithwaite, Senior Director of Product Training at Mediaocean, for a deep dive on modern Instructor-Led Training (ILT) and its powerful impact in B2B SaaS customer education. Dan shares real-world stories, practical fr…
CELab - Ep 168 - Customer Education and Education Services - The Future of Learning in B2B SaaS - Part 1
What does the future hold for Customer Education in the ever-evolving world of B2B SaaS? In this solo episode, CELab co-founder and host Dave Derington explores the profound shifts redefining the learning landscape—from the legacy of transactional, revenue-generating education services to agile, o…
CELab – Ep 169 – Customer Education and Education Services – The Future of Learning in B2B SaaS – Part 2
In the last episode of the CELab podcast, co-host Dave Derington explored the profound shifts redefining the learning landscape—from the legacy of transactional, revenue-generating education services to agile, outcome-driven customer enablement.
Customer Education and Education Services are co…
CELab - Ep 170 -AI in Customer Education: Scaling Success with LearnExperts & Sarah Sedgman
Are you ready to rethink the way your team delivers customer education? In this episode of CELab, host Dave Derington welcomes Sarah Sedgman, CEO and founder of LearnExperts, for an inspiring discussion about the power of AI in instructional design and customer training.
Sarah shares her deca…
CELab - Ep 173 - From Helldivers 2 to St. Vincent: Surprising Lessons for Customer Education Leaders
In this end-of-year special, Adam Avramescu and Dave Derington look back at 2025 through the lens of the things they love most outside of work: video games and live music. They unpack how titles like Helldivers 2, Peak, and Megabonk model great onboarding, community-based learning, and continuous e…
CELab - Ep 174 - From Course Library to Learning OS: LearnWorlds and the Future of Customer Education
Customer education is outgrowing the idea of “just an LMS.” In this episode, Dave Derington sits down with Mia Čomić, Product Marketing Manager at LearnWorlds, to unpack how the platform is evolving from a traditional course host into a true learning operating system for modern SaaS. Mia shares how…
Dave Derington’s Journey From Music to Customer Education
Customer education shouldn’t stop at “You’re trained.” It’s just the start. What truly matters is whether a scientific approach to learning drives real outcomes, transforming how customers engage with your product and the results they achieve.
In this episode, I get curious with Dave Derington, for…
Why Shiny Solutions Don’t Hold Up
Across these conversations with Dave Derington, John Leh, Debbie Smith, Courtney Sembler, Kristine Kukich, Dan Braithwaite, Melissa Kruminas, Clea Mahoney, and Vicky Kennedy, one question kept resurfacing for me: what actually makes customer education matter?
In this wrap-up, I’m reflecting on wher…
Stop Hiring SMEs as Trainers: How Optro Scales Live Training That Actually Protects Revenue
In this episode of CELab, Dave Derington sits down with Tim Devine, who built Optro's (formerly AuditBoard) live training program from a solo effort in 2021 into a three-person team running roughly 250 custom training engagements a year. Tim's thesis is deceptively simple and a little provocative: …
CELab - Ep 184 - Your Biggest AI Problem Isn’t Skills - It’s Belief: Customer Education in the Age of AI
In this kickoff to Season 8 of the CELab podcast, host Dave Derington sits down with Anya Eydman to explore a provocative idea: our biggest AI problem in Customer Education isn’t a skills gap or a technology gap - it’s a belief gap. Anya draws on her background in corporate finance, small business …
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