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Welcome to Unveiled, the HPD podcast where we
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dive into the world of policing. I'm your host,
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Captain Michelle Rhone, and today we are joined
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by Teresa Jones, Kristine BouChamoun, and Kim
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Meyer. Thank you, Wonder Women of HPD. I'm so
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glad that you all could be here to join me today.
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So we have someone that... is quasi -uniformed,
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right? So from forensics. Yes. And then you didn't
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wear your ComSec polo today. I gave up on ComSec
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polos. Okay. Sometimes you gotta trade them out.
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Yeah, sometimes you gotta have you, a little
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bit of you, still polo. That's right. And I'm
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so glad that you never have a uniform because
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I love to see what fun festive things you're
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gonna show up in at our meetings. You have the
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best style, it's great. Oh, that's nice of you
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to say. I'm used to this, so I have no style
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whatsoever. I have to look things up on the internet
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when I get dressed on my days off because I don't
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know what to wear. I invited each of you for
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a very specific reason, because you've all had
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very different journeys at HPD. So I kind of
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wanted to weave them. They weave together whether
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or not you realize that. So Teresa, you're the
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longest tenured. You were here when I came, but
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you worked in forensics. I did. Yeah, I started
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here in 2000. Yep. So next February will be 26
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years that I've been here. And it's gone by so
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fast. I had so much fun. But I did the forensics
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for eight years, loved it. And then was fortunate
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enough to move over to the Arctic or the Real
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Time Information Center where we do crime analysis
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and intel and look at cameras and stuff like
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that. So it's still something I love. So I've
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been very blessed that way. That's awesome. And
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you're our crime analyst guru. That's how I think
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of you, at least affectionately. I'll take that.
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I'll take that. The real walking statistician
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who doesn't just I feel like, you know, in a
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lot of our meetings, you don't just read the
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reports, but you actually know what's going on.
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And there's a big difference. You can always
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tell who's read the report and who actually knows
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what's going on. And I get the feeling and the
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impression that you know what's going on in the
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city. And I think that's really cool. I appreciate
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that. That means a lot. Thank you. And you, Kristine,
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are currently in forensics. Yes. When did you
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start at HPD? February 2019. So it's been about
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six and a half years now. Awesome. Still like
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it? Yeah. I mean, we're on a podcast, so you
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sort of have to say that. Just kidding. I'm glad.
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And what's your favorite part of the job? Just
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something that is something new every single
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day. Yeah. So you really never get bored. I think
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that's what draws a lot of us into. government
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work and police specific. I know that's what
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drew me into it too. And Kim, we go way back.
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We worked patrol together. So you were a patrol
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officer we worked with and we were on evening
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shift. They introduced shorts. So fun story.
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I'm gonna say it because it's the best. So they
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introduced, it was more of a test run I think,
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these cargo shorts. There were the Academy shorts
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which were the shorter version and then there
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were the cargo shorts, which, depending on how
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long your legs were or were not, hit you about
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at the knee. Sure. So for me, they were like
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culottes because I'm 5 '3". But Miss Kim over
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here is tall and has the most beautiful long
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legs. So we show up on evening shift with, right?
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And I get out of my car and she gets out of hers
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and she gets out and it's just like the legs
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never end. And these shorts were somewhat short.
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Definitely sure. I kept the tags to make sure
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that they knew right. They were approved and
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I'm over here looking like I'm wearing my dad's
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work clothes. Anyway, the shorts didn't last
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long. Not because of me, but I kept saying they
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didn't test them on somebody that was a little
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taller, but I did like them. I mean they were
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comfortable and cooler in the summertime, but
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not very practical for a job that yeah, no. Especially
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if you were chasing somebody, trip and fall,
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no. Skin your ears. That's not good. So when
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did you transition over to communications? 2005,
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but my first stint with HPD was in 94. Tell us
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about it. And I left in about 99 to go to Okinawa
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with the first husband. Okay. Came back in 04,
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transitioned to ComSec in 05. So you were a police
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officer before? Before. Wow, that's really cool.
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And then you are a supervisor in communications
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as well. So communications for the listeners
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is our 911 center. So you've worn a lot of hats
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there too. I did supervisor. I'm on the CSUM
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team. Was a trainer, general instructor. All
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kinds of goodies. It's really cool. You can't
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say you're bored. That's definitely, that's not
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the place to be bored. I don't think we could
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be bored in any of our positions. I'm thinking
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either. No. And that's what makes it exciting,
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is that there's always something going on. And
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you notice how many women have come into the
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police field, and how many men are coming into
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the communications field. That's so true. Because
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it's almost the opposite for you all, right?
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It is. We might have three guys, and all of a
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sudden you won't have guys. And then it's all
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women. It's mostly women out there. But to have
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guys that you're like this. OK, some testosterone
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to balance out the estrogen here. That's right.
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And they turn out to be really good. It is. Yeah.
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It's amazing how much calmer they are than we
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are. Well, I don't say. And it's interesting
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because I love my male counterparts. So don't
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get me wrong. But I think in policing in an emergency,
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we often find the women are that calming presence
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in a crisis scene. And it's so interesting to
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me. that you see the opposite in the communications
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where the men are the ones that are calm on the
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radio and the phones. And that's really fascinating.
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Exactly. I like it. It's a nice balance. Yeah.
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So Christine, did you always know that you wanted
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to work in forensics? Yeah. Since high school,
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I took a forensics class. and that prompted my
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interest and then I majored it in college. That's
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awesome. Here I am. Yeah. I think it's really
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telling that the only job requirement in the
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police department that requires a bachelor's
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degree for entry level is forensics. So whenever
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I would, I worked in recruiting for a long time
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and we would go to career fairs and That was,
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I mean, it's a selling point, especially when
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you go to a college, you know, college kids,
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well, college people that are exiting out want
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to use their degree. And I think that it's a
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great way to use a degree in forensics. That's
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really awesome. It's crazy because when I went
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through college, they didn't have any forensic
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classes like that. So I was just a biology major,
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Karyn Buhrman, too. It's very hard to find. Yeah.
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And so now they. a lot of like even my old stomping
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grounds at Longwood they're offering forensics
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and nursing now and so like they are they are
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offering a lot more out there for the for the
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college students so i think that's great yeah
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for that specific career field yeah that's really
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cool like my school had a bunch of different
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fields that you could go into but within the
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forensics track Like what? Now I'm curious. There
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was like a drug analysis, there was DNA. Oh cool.
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So with the, not the invention of DNA, because
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obviously that's part of our makeup, but with
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the technological progressions that we see in
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DNA and the way that
they are used in cold cases
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now, because we were talking before the camera
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started about... cold case analysis and a lot
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of cold case squads are being brought back to
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police departments. Do you find that you all
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are opening a lot more historic cases now to
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re -examine DNA? Yeah, so the forensic unit is
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all assigned cold cases to re -examine the evidence,
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determine if there's anything else that could
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be submitted to lab. Wow. Since it is so advanced
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now. That's great. I think that was it Williamsburg
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recently closed? An older historic case on DNA
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and I think there were some ties with the male
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suspect to some a case or two in Hampton even
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So now they're able to sort of weave all these
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networks together. It's really interesting the
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science behind it How many changes do you see
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since when you were in forensics? Because I know
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you hear them giving updates and it's totally
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different It is different but at the same time
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I know with their technological advances that
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I'm They probably had so many that I'm not aware
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of right now our offices had the same and even
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officers have been inundated with technology.
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They're expected to do more with their body worn
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cameras and the MDTs and it's so much. But I'm
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sure a lot of things have changed since I've
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been in there, but I sometimes do miss it. I
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hear it on the radio and I'm like, ooh, I would
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love to be in that one. Right, right. And then
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you see the after. not the after math that sounds
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really morbid but the after report like you see
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all the reports on it and those are a lot of
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times the reports that your office ends up getting
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to analyze right so yeah but that's not the fun
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part the analysis the reports that you know yeah
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that's so true we always say like there's 10
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minutes of excitement and four hours of paperwork
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to be done. And I know that's true for you all,
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too, all the excitement on the radio and then
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everything that comes afterwards. When we get
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something big on the radio, all of a sudden,
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dispatchers are nosy. And we're going to solve
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the crime before there is even a crime call.
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We're sitting here going like this, check the
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phone number. Check the name. I'm in Ops Command.
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Let's go to this one. Look at this call. If you
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go over here to this event number. So, I mean,
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we're sitting there looking stuff up before it's
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even asked for, which I find exciting for. hour
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in because we don't get the closure part. Yeah.
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But we can sit there and start digging and weaving
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and email this to so and so. Put this in the
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notes so that way they know just in case it might
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be a hint. There's a clue. That was going to
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be my question is if you give that to the officers
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because we would that really appreciate that.
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We let them know. We're like, hey, cat history
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says blah, blah, blah, blah. Just to let you
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know. And they were like. 10 -4 and then all
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of a sudden they're like calling us. They're
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like, hey, can you send that to my email? Yeah,
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we got you. That's really forward thinking though.
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It's really helpful You have to because you know
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if you can piece it together. Does it not help?
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No, it really does might be a dead end It might
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be nothing but then it might be the one where
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you're going didn't we have a car stolen at this
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location like two days ago and This seems kind
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of Let's check into it. We're nosy. We're nosy.
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But I like that because that's how we work as
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a team, you know? And I know the RTIC does
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that. Like if there's an accident at an intersection
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that has a camera, they'll get up on the radio
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and say the accident was captured. Or if we're.
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looking at a specific suspect or even a victim,
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they'll send information out before we even ask
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for it. Yeah. So that's really great. And I like
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that because people think we have the cameras
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and I'm like, uh, we've got nothing. So hang
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on. Oh, they think dispatch has it. Yeah. The
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citizens are like, yeah, I need a copy of my
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accident report. I'm like, sorry, ma 'am, hold
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on a second. I'm like, what's RTIC'S number?
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Do we give that number? But I mean, it's like.
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we only have like sometimes it works sometimes
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it doesn't outside a headquarters so we can tell
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it's raining or not but we don't see traffic
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cams so we have no idea that's really interesting
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yeah i don't i don't need to have we give that
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footage i'm not sure maybe the insurance company
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can can can get it we always tell them to do
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it for you oh that makes sense i'm like for it
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we give them information and do you use the camera
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footage at all that's to help recreate or Like,
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look at the crime scene from... I mean, sometimes
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the detectives will show it to us on scene, but...
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I mean, either way, our documentation is the
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same. Yeah. But... That's really interesting.
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Sometimes give us a better idea of what actually
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happened to guide us a little bit, but... Sure.
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To recreate, because you have to sometimes draw
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sort of a picture, I guess, of... Yeah, we have
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to do a sketch, because we're old school. But...
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But I mean, regardless of the video, we just
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sketch what's there. Sure. So it wouldn't really
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help with that. But just in terms of documentation,
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if someone came around the back of the residence
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or something like that, and that was captured
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on camera. So that would direct you to go, OK,
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I have to go take pictures of the back now. Very
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cool. Something like that. Yeah. That's neat.
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So much of what you all do is. So meticulous
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and detail -oriented and you're out there for
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hours just Processing every little thing it must
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take an incredible amount of patience. Yes to
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be able to do that and
caffeine I think we all
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need caffeine. Oh, yeah to keep going. Are you
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on an overnight or no? No, I got mandated for
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the first six and I go to work tomorrow my regular
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12 and It's weird. My schedule is weird I'm neither
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night shift nor day shift sometimes. I just feel
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like I'm... Your whenever shift. I'm just a whenever
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shift. That's right. You need me, I'm there.
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Most of the times I'm there. And you all, Kristine,
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you all even do a rotation on evening shift.
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Yes. I work permanent evenings, though. Okay.
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But I sometimes rotate into a day shift or I
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just come in. Yeah. Whenever they may need me.
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And overnight, obviously, if somebody gets...
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Yeah, so we're on call to come back. We're on
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call 24 hours. Wow. And even the RTIC is doing?
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Sometimes they get called out. If there's something
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that, if we have an incident and people, we have
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several people that need to be researched, then
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they will come in and assist with that. Or maybe
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from home if they have a laptop at home. But
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it doesn't happen all the time, but they are.
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They're working non -stop all the time, the intel
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analysts. And we have a great group right now.
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Oh, for sure. I was explaining earlier to someone
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the differences between crime analysts and intel
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analysts and how they're truly meant to work
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in tandem so that the intel analysts make the
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crime information actionable. They take the crime
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information and create action behind it by analyzing
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the intel and who the players are and how that's
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a recommendation. nationwide we see a lot of
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agencies that have crime analysts but no intel
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analysts and we're like what are you doing with
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all the information then how are you making it
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actionable if you don't have the intel analysts
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but we have a really good crew that works really
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well together we do and some of them some jurisdictions
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don't have them all and centralized in one location
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they have them decentralized in different um
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aspects you know whether it be gang or you know
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what have you but i really like how we work because
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when you hear someone talking you can usually,
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you know, chime in and ask them like, what area
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are you talking about? Okay, that's my area that
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I've been working on. We need to get together
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and talk about that. Or a detective will come
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up and start talking about something and we can
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listen in while we're working. And you know,
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it's really just really great communication and
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information to have all of us. So it really works
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well together. Yeah. Yeah. What do you think
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is next for... communications, like what do you
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what do you see being the the thing in five years
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for dispatching? I thought it was going to be
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the text denial one that didn't turn out to be
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as popular so I'm hoping more along the lines
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of for us equipment wise more along wireless
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that's better like our communications between
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upstairs and the road the radios you would think
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it was a totally different radio system the connectivity
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is not as clear or as good as it should be sure
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you know so maybe better radio technology and
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a wireless system that allows us to move around
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when we have to like go maybe from a police cad
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to the fire cad that might not be sitting right
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next to us because you have to unplug right now
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right we have they call it a wireless system
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but then it's just Once you hit a certain point,
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it goes boop, boop, boop. And then you're no
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longer connected. So you're like, OK, let me
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go back. Sure. So maybe something where the radio
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system like we have Motorola, but portable to
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portable, perfect. Portable to unit, perfect.
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But unit portable to communications, not so much.
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And we feel bad saying, can you repeat? Yeah.
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Maybe something to clean that up would be great.
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OK, I think
we need 5G. 5G, call Verizon or whoever,
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right? AT &T, T -Mobile, call them all. Something
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to clear it up, it's just, even when you do playback,
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it cleans it up, but you're sitting there going,
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it captured nothing of what he said. Very interesting.
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These are the frustrations we don't hear on our
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side. We're just like, why are they asking us
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to say it again? Yeah, and don't rain. When it
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rains, it's even worse. Y 'all's radio gets wet.
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And then transmissions are like, and I'm like
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going. We got to shake the water out of it. Yeah,
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it's integral. We just don't. It's the weather.
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So that kind of technology, it improves in one
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aspect, but it's not taken into consideration.
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We're wrapped in concrete right on the ninth
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floor. Right. And Bluebird Gap is one tower.
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And then you got out there by the beach is another
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tower. But it's not doing us any good. Interesting.
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What do you think's next for forensics? Hopefully
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some new fancy tools. Very cool. Like a 3D scanner.
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For the crime scene? Oh, that would be neat.
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That would be awesome. So does that mean you
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wouldn't have to sketch anything, right? It still
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may be beneficial to do a rough sketch, but it
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looks better in court to actually be able to
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walk through the crime scene instead of... look
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at this little map that I drew. So truly 3D versus
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on a chart or a flat piece of paper. Yeah 3D
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so you can like click on the evidence within
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the crime scene. That would be amazing. So it's
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kind of like plotting basically like all your
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pictures just into a Maybe like Google Streets
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when you like can walk down the road with the
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little man. I was thinking that or when you can
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do the 3D tour of a house. You know, you click
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on the next room and it just like walks you through.
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You just get on the little circles. And you put
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in your evidence later. Oh, that's fantastic.
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You can see where the evidence is. Look, if they
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can do it for selling houses, we should be able
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to do it for a price. That's amazing. How about
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you, Teresa? Gosh, you know, when I think back.
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When we first moved in and started building the
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crime information center or the real time information
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center. You know, Chief Sult was here and he
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would tell us what he envisioned happening and
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you know, knowing where the officers are real
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time on a map. You can see them all moving around
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and when the call comes in, you're able to get
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to a camera before they can to see if the scene
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is safe. If it's a robbery for business, I just
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thought this man is really crazy like I don't
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think that's going to happen anytime soon and
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I'll be darned if we're not there, right? You
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know, so I really don't know what the future
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holds but I know that police departments are
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becoming more dependent on technology to help
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us. you know respond faster get information out
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faster and it's it is overwhelming sometimes
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but seeing some of the new software that's coming
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out is also it's a lot of fun to see like where
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people are trying to take us you know um it's
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just it's overwhelming because there's so much
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you know and you don't know how long it's it's
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gonna be able to help you for until you have
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to upgrade to something else and um but yeah
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like we're there we're chief salt mention that
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day and it drives, it's just unreal to me. We
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have Command Central and it's funny because you
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sit there and I'm going, former police officer,
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why is it taking you five hours for a larceny
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of a chapstick? And I'm like going, but you haven't
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moved in five hours. Yeah, because you can see
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when they move on the GPS. You can see when they
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move and where they are. There's a little lag
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time, but It's pretty spot on. You know, you
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sit there and they say, oh, you could dispatch
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according to it. I'm
old school and I'm like
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picturing the district and I'm going nobody's
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ever in their exact district. I use the command
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central go. Who's closest? Who do I have really
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that I can snatch off? And what's their location?
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How long should it take them? And everybody's
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like, why do you worry about that? I said, because
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if you have something that's going on, why am
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I gonna pull somebody from way up here to go
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way down here when I have other people that are
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congregating at this central location that's
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three minutes versus a 15 minute drive? you know
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it's like playing i tell everybody it's like
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checkers and chess or backgammon and you're jumping
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and sliding and it's like king me you know yeah
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i like the way i think about communications and
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glad that i have the police background because
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you know the steps to take and what is needed
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so you just sit there and you go all right i
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got you i like it i try to train that way But
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some people don't see it that way. You have to
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be on or experience both sides. I think that's
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why the ride -alongs are so beneficial too, that
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you all come and do. I think the ride -alongs
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should be longer than just like that shift. Because
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that's a joyride. To me, they're like, oh, I
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want to get in trouble. They're supposed to put
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you out at the nearest 7 -Eleven that's populated.
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And you're safe. And then they go to that. I
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think communication should do a stint. every
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now and again to see the lay of the land because
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a lot of them don't know the lay of the land
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because they're not from here and when somebody
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says i'm at 7 -eleven they're like okay which
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7 -eleven you know we've got a lot of 7 -elevens
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look at wah -wah wah -wah's popped up Yep. We
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got, you know, Pembroke. Three of them now, I
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think. There's a lot. At the old East Hampton
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Light, Mercury and Pembroke, you got the one
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at 2401 West
Mercury and you got 5280 West Mercury.
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And some people don't even know the difference
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between the East Mercury and the West Mercury
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ones. So to ride around town, especially if you've
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never lived here, you're a military spouse and
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you've just gotten here from somewhere else.
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That's a good point. It does help a lot. Yeah.
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You know, I know because I drove around in those
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districts. Most people don't know. That's a great
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point, to be able to visualize what you're really
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seeing. And what people are talking about. Because
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some of your callers, when they're in an emergency,
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they have nowhere with all of their location.
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Sure. Of course. I'm on Mercury. Yeah. OK. If
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it wasn't for rapid SOS, you know, a rebid feature
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in the CAD, most people wouldn't know how to
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help people to find where they are. Sure. And
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that I like. Yeah. Well, I think what we've learned
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is that our fields are all advancing in technology
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and none of us really know what's next, but it's
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exciting. It is. And I'm kind of excited to see
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it. I'll retire in a few years, but we'll have
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lots of technological advancements before then.
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We have plenty of jobs to offer so we're hiring
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if you want to come and join us in our endeavors
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here. We've got lots of opportunities and I'm
00:24:24.789 --> 00:24:26.569
really thankful for the three of you joining
00:24:26.569 --> 00:24:30.130
me today to share your adventures at HPD and
00:24:30.130 --> 00:24:33.869
your Wonder Women career paths that you've all
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followed and some of us are... nearer to the
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end, and some of us are just starting out, but
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I think it's great, and I'm really grateful that
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you all could join me today. Thanks for having
00:24:42.789 --> 00:24:45.490
us. Thank you for having us. Thank you for joining
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us on another wonderful episode of Unveiled with
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the Wonder Women of HPD. We'll see you next time.
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