Fuld transskription af Episode 375

out. 40 00:03:33.139 --> 00:03:35.280 We let them out. But other than that, nobody else 41 00:03:35.300 --> 00:03:37.580 can go inside. Do you know how long that goes on? 42 00:03:38.599 --> 00:03:40.680 I don't know how long it'll be. So we got 43 00:03:40.719 --> 00:03:42.539 our detectives coming out, so. 44 00:03:43.530 --> 00:03:45.430 The police were seizing the house as part of the 45 00:03:45.449 --> 00:03:50.930 investigation into Angie's death. No one could enter until further notice. 46 00:03:52.250 --> 00:03:55.620 After suffering a tragic loss, the family now had nowhere 47 00:03:55.659 --> 00:03:59.639 to stay. They huddled together in the chilly Colorado night 48 00:04:00.000 --> 00:04:04.099 and tried to decide where everyone should go. Most of 49 00:04:04.139 --> 00:04:06.759 them came from out of town as soon as Angie's 50 00:04:06.870 --> 00:04:11.650 condition worsened. They were staying in borrowed apartments and hotel rooms. 51 00:04:12.780 --> 00:04:16.300 Angie had six kids who needed a place to grieve. 52 00:04:17.560 --> 00:04:19.839 While the police would later make sure everyone had a 53 00:04:19.860 --> 00:04:23.560 place to stay, at the time they had other things 54 00:04:24.060 --> 00:04:24.620 on their minds. 55 00:04:25.620 --> 00:04:27.800 Yeah, hey, this is Baker. So I'm down at the 56 00:04:27.819 --> 00:04:31.620 Robertsdale address, and I have the husband here. Do you 57 00:04:31.639 --> 00:04:32.339 guys need him? 58 00:04:33.579 --> 00:04:34.420 I would assume. 59 00:04:34.500 --> 00:04:35.779 I'm still on the way to the office to get 60 00:04:35.800 --> 00:04:39.439 the briefing, but the brief briefing that I. 61 00:04:39.360 --> 00:04:41.899 Did get yesterday will need him to come to headquarters. 62 00:04:42.750 --> 00:04:45.100 If he will. Okay, I think he's willing to. 63 00:04:45.110 --> 00:04:46.810 Do you want me to just send him up there? 64 00:04:46.829 --> 00:04:49.100 Because there's only two of us sitting on. 65 00:04:49.040 --> 00:04:51.540 The house here. Send him up. 66 00:04:52.399 --> 00:04:56.220 Yeah, I think the officer's going to... Yeah, you're Jim, right? Yeah, 67 00:04:56.240 --> 00:04:58.399 the other officer's going to have some information for you. 68 00:04:58.480 --> 00:05:00.819 It sounds like you're going to have to go to 69 00:05:00.860 --> 00:05:02.699 headquarters and talk to the detectives. 70 00:05:02.740 --> 00:05:02.980 Yeah. 71 00:05:04.000 --> 00:05:06.459 Okay. We'll give you the address. This officer's going to 72 00:05:06.480 --> 00:05:10.879 give you the address. So I have some information that 73 00:05:10.899 --> 00:05:12.160 I think you guys are looking for. 74 00:05:21.639 --> 00:05:24.769 The police had only been informed of Angie's mystery illness 75 00:05:24.970 --> 00:05:29.009 after she coded. Hospital staff had also reported that Angie's 76 00:05:29.089 --> 00:05:33.850 husband wanted to terminate her care. To hospital staff, Jim 77 00:05:33.870 --> 00:05:38.959 seemed oddly okay with taking her off life support. 78 00:05:40.079 --> 00:05:41.000 Eager, even. 79 00:05:42.050 --> 00:05:45.110 In other words, the police already suspected him. Then for 80 00:05:45.149 --> 00:05:48.870 him to spontaneously say, I have some information I think 81 00:05:48.889 --> 00:05:52.050 you guys are looking for, and I'm probably going to 82 00:05:52.089 --> 00:05:56.350 lawyer up. That didn't make him look any less suspicious. 83 00:05:57.310 --> 00:05:57.949 Put it to you that way. 84 00:05:58.689 --> 00:06:00.149 So you don't want to go down there right now? 85 00:06:00.269 --> 00:06:01.189 I don't want to, no. 86 00:06:01.529 --> 00:06:01.769 Okay. 87 00:06:01.870 --> 00:06:06.069 Can you just hang tight one second? Sure. And then Brian, 88 00:06:07.889 --> 00:06:10.829 did he tell you that he made a spontaneous statement 89 00:06:10.850 --> 00:06:13.569 to me that He was going to hold you up. Yeah. 90 00:06:13.769 --> 00:06:15.310 Because it said two years. Okay. 91 00:06:15.790 --> 00:06:15.990 Yep. 92 00:06:16.730 --> 00:06:20.509 Jim waited to hear back from detectives en route. He 93 00:06:20.550 --> 00:06:24.800 had information, but he wanted a lawyer. He paced around 94 00:06:24.860 --> 00:06:29.379 and made odd, small talk about how, at first, he 95 00:06:29.399 --> 00:06:33.399 thought the gathering at his home was for a vigil. Eventually, 96 00:06:33.689 --> 00:06:37.589 he stood awkwardly nearby, hands in pockets, staring at the 97 00:06:37.629 --> 00:06:41.959 ground like a dork. He stood in the front porch 98 00:06:42.019 --> 00:06:46.100 of his large home on a nice subdivision of Aurora. 99 00:06:47.060 --> 00:06:48.399 But he couldn't go inside. 100 00:06:48.430 --> 00:06:51.899 I already told him that you're not interested in talking 101 00:06:51.939 --> 00:06:52.870 to anybody right now. 102 00:06:53.370 --> 00:06:55.290 Yeah, I am very interested in talking. 103 00:06:55.310 --> 00:06:55.449 Yeah. 104 00:06:55.470 --> 00:06:56.970 I am very interested in talking. 105 00:06:56.990 --> 00:06:58.170 But just not right now, right? 106 00:06:58.230 --> 00:06:58.430 Right. 107 00:06:58.750 --> 00:06:58.970 Okay. 108 00:06:59.110 --> 00:06:59.310 Yeah. 109 00:06:59.649 --> 00:07:02.149 Okay. So you're free to go. Okay. 110 00:07:02.889 --> 00:07:04.209 Do you know when we'll be able to get back 111 00:07:04.250 --> 00:07:04.649 in our house? 112 00:07:04.670 --> 00:07:05.449 No idea. 113 00:07:05.470 --> 00:07:06.050 I'm sorry. 114 00:07:06.110 --> 00:07:09.339 I really don't. Can you tell me what to what end? 115 00:07:09.430 --> 00:07:12.620 I mean, I don't get enough. It's a death investigation 116 00:07:12.660 --> 00:07:13.079 right now. 117 00:07:13.139 --> 00:07:13.439 Yeah. 118 00:07:13.540 --> 00:07:16.160 Okay. So they got to protect all the crime scene. Yeah. 119 00:07:16.180 --> 00:07:16.379 Okay. 120 00:07:16.399 --> 00:07:19.519 Just in case, you know, this is, there is, it 121

00:07:19.600 --> 00:07:20.360 is a crime scene. 122 00:07:20.420 --> 00:07:20.740 I don't know. 123 00:07:21.360 --> 00:07:21.560 Okay. 124 00:07:21.620 --> 00:07:23.439 Anyway, right now we can't see anybody. 125 00:07:24.079 --> 00:07:24.199 Yeah. 126 00:07:24.279 --> 00:07:25.980 I mean, you're free to go, you know, you're not 127 00:07:26.040 --> 00:07:27.259 under arrest or anything like that. 128 00:07:27.279 --> 00:07:29.899 So they'll be, they'll be in touch with you. 129 00:07:30.620 --> 00:07:33.620 Over the next few days, the detectives did get in 130 00:07:33.720 --> 00:07:36.860 touch with Jim. And they didn't hide the fact that 131 00:07:37.000 --> 00:07:40.949 the investigation seemed to be solely focused on him. They 132 00:07:40.990 --> 00:07:46.050 seized his phone, his computers, his home surveillance system. They 133 00:07:46.089 --> 00:07:49.990 even seized computers from his dental practice. In that time, 134 00:07:50.269 --> 00:07:53.939 he grieved the loss of his wife. After three days 135 00:07:54.139 --> 00:07:57.540 in the ICU, they took her off life support. They 136 00:07:57.579 --> 00:08:04.220 crafted the obligatory Facebook announcement. They planned the funeral. It 137 00:08:04.259 --> 00:08:08.149 was difficult to bear. Jim would often leave his kids 138 00:08:08.170 --> 00:08:12.329 with his extended family for long periods of time. But 139 00:08:12.370 --> 00:08:15.730 after those few days, the lead detective had called Jim 140 00:08:15.769 --> 00:08:17.709 and told him he could come pick up his phone. 141 00:08:18.819 --> 00:08:22.139 They didn't seem to need it anymore. After the kids 142 00:08:22.180 --> 00:08:24.500 went to bed, Jim's brother drove him down to the 143 00:08:24.540 --> 00:08:25.589 police station to get it. 144 00:08:26.579 --> 00:08:27.220 Oh, how are you? 145 00:08:27.240 --> 00:08:27.300 Hi. 146 00:08:35.299 --> 00:08:39.070 Hi, Bob. You are under arrest. Okay. For street murder. 147 00:08:39.620 --> 00:08:39.730 Okay. 148 00:08:47.289 --> 00:08:49.789 Jim was met in the parking lot by both detectives 149 00:08:49.830 --> 00:08:55.350 and several patrol officers. It was a ruse. Before Jim 150 00:08:55.409 --> 00:08:58.049 even realized what was going on, they had his hands 151 00:08:58.090 --> 00:09:02.100 behind his back. His brother had no idea what was happening. 152 00:09:02.909 --> 00:09:05.289 For you and the family, I mean, obviously this is shocking. 153 00:09:05.789 --> 00:09:08.440 From our standpoint, he's responsible for Angie's death. 154 00:09:09.620 --> 00:09:10.000 Okay? 155 00:09:10.059 --> 00:09:10.919 No doubt in our mind. 156 00:09:10.940 --> 00:09:12.039 Okay? 157 00:09:12.299 --> 00:09:15.279 It's hard to wrap your mind around that, I understand, 158 00:09:15.330 --> 00:09:20.470 especially for these poor kids. But, you know, we would 159 00:09:20.549 --> 00:09:22.889 obviously take him into custody this quick if we were 160 00:09:22.929 --> 00:09:26.009 not sure in

our minds from our investigation that he's 161 00:09:26.049 --> 00:09:27.330 responsible for her death. 162 00:09:28.070 --> 00:09:28.450 Okay? 163 00:09:29.090 --> 00:09:29.429 Okay. 164 00:09:29.669 --> 00:09:32.669 So, in this case then, are we just supposed to 165 00:09:32.950 --> 00:09:34.929 proceed through the funeral without him? 166 00:09:35.070 --> 00:09:35.370 Yes. 167 00:09:35.429 --> 00:09:36.830 He's not going to be able to get out of jail. 168 00:09:36.870 --> 00:09:37.750 I mean, if you guys. 169 00:09:37.789 --> 00:09:39.029 Will he be able to attend the funeral? 170 00:09:39.110 --> 00:09:39.190 No. 171 00:09:40.159 --> 00:09:40.519 No. 172 00:09:42.279 --> 00:09:42.500 No. 173 00:09:43.519 --> 00:09:46.429 And I think if you really sit back and wrap 174 00:09:46.450 --> 00:09:49.029 your mind around it, I don't think he should be 175 00:09:49.049 --> 00:09:51.190 at the funeral when he's the one that caused the 176 00:09:51.230 --> 00:09:52.289 funeral to happen. 177 00:09:52.330 --> 00:09:54.129 He's so innocent. 178 00:09:54.210 --> 00:09:56.070 It's true. It's true. 179 00:09:56.330 --> 00:09:57.490 But I just want to give you a heads up 180 00:09:57.509 --> 00:09:59.830 that that's why we're here and that's why he's got 181 00:09:59.850 --> 00:09:59.980 to win. 182 00:09:50.029 --> 00:09:51.029 Whatever detectives had. 183 00:09:50.850 --> 00:09:53.330 Learned in those few days, they believed it strongly enough 184 00:09:53.370 --> 00:09:55.129 to ask a judge for a murder warrant almost immediately 185 00:09:55.289 --> 00:09:55.929 after Angie's death. 186 00:09:55.960 --> 00:09:57.620 Yeah, I mean, it's done. It's downloaded. I had to 187 00:09:57.639 --> 00:09:58.809 bring it back to the lab. 188 00:10:20.610 --> 00:10:22.690 But because we have all the info, that's not why 189 00:10:22.710 --> 00:10:23.980 I was coming here tonight. That wasn't. 190 00:10:24.360 --> 00:10:24.580 Nope. 191 00:10:25.200 --> 00:10:25.519 Tonight. 192 00:10:25.600 --> 00:10:25.840 No. 193 00:10:26.340 --> 00:10:28.539 I thought that's why I was coming. 194 00:10:29.000 --> 00:10:29.200 Right. 195 00:10:30.019 --> 00:10:32.019 So now you're here. 196 00:10:32.039 --> 00:10:35.750 So they do have an arrest warrant for the murder 197 00:10:36.649 --> 00:10:37.110 of Angela. 198 00:10:37.149 --> 00:10:38.269 My gosh. 199 00:10:39.029 --> 00:10:42.769 My gosh. Everyone grieves in their own way, I guess. 200 00:10:43.840 --> 00:10:48.279 Everyone reacts differently to bad news, but responding, my gosh, 201 00:10:48.559 --> 00:10:52.779 to the news that you've been charged with murder kind 202 00:10:52.820 --> 00:10:54.659 of undersells the surprise a little bit. 203 00:10:55.620 --> 00:10:56.679 So I know that. 204 00:10:58.710 --> 00:11:02.610 You've expressed a few times that you have the answers 205 00:11:02.690 --> 00:11:04.409 and want to tell us. 206 00:11:05.330 --> 00:11:07.889 I just want to give you that opportunity. 207 00:11:08.889 -->

00:11:09.850 To tell us what you know. 208 00:11:10.190 --> 00:11:13.669 And if you have insight on kind of what happened or, 209 00:11:13.690 --> 00:11:16.289 I mean, I know you've talked to DHS, Department of 210 00:11:16.330 --> 00:11:20.389 Human Services, and you've kind of alluded when I've talked 211 00:11:20.429 --> 00:11:20.730 to you. 212 00:11:20.750 --> 00:11:24.529 I just wanted to just give. 213 00:11:24.389 --> 00:11:26.740 You the opportunity. I really want that. 214 00:11:27.519 --> 00:11:29.340 I haven't had my phone, so I haven't been able 215 00:11:29.360 --> 00:11:31.039 to talk to the attorney that I reached out to, 216 00:11:31.720 --> 00:11:33.980 because as you can imagine, this is terrifying for me. 217 00:11:34.799 --> 00:11:37.799 And you both seem very nice and like you're on 218 00:11:37.850 --> 00:11:40.470 my side, but I know how this works. And I 219 00:11:40.490 --> 00:11:43.149 don't want to incriminate myself or say anything stupid, or 220 00:11:44.620 --> 00:11:47.039 there are answers. There are answers, and this makes a 221 00:11:47.039 --> 00:11:48.860 lot of sense once those answers come out, but I 222 00:11:49.299 --> 00:11:51.279 don't know how to navigate this. I've never done this before, 223 00:11:51.299 --> 00:11:53.100 and I'm scared to death. 224 00:11:54.179 --> 00:11:55.100 That's understandable. 225 00:11:55.139 --> 00:11:55.299 Yeah. 226 00:11:56.159 --> 00:11:59.250 Jim again dangles the idea of having all the answers. 227 00:12:00.470 --> 00:12:04.389 His wife died suddenly and mysteriously. What answers could he 228 00:12:04.549 --> 00:12:07.169 possibly have that he can't just share? 229 00:12:08.120 --> 00:12:09.220 What happens if. 230 00:12:09.299 --> 00:12:11.350 Right now I say I just really need an attorney 231 00:12:11.389 --> 00:12:12.950 with me and I can't talk to you? Then what 232 00:12:12.970 --> 00:12:13.570 happens next? 233 00:12:15.230 --> 00:12:17.889 Then uniformed officers here will just take you down to 234 00:12:17.929 --> 00:12:18.230 the jail. 235 00:12:18.950 --> 00:12:19.289 Okay. 236 00:12:20.029 --> 00:12:22.909 And then what happens if I talk to you and 237 00:12:22.929 --> 00:12:23.909 tell you everything I know? 238 00:12:24.629 --> 00:12:25.009 Then what? 239 00:12:28.529 --> 00:12:31.409 I still go to jail and I wait for 30 240 00:12:31.409 --> 00:12:32.350 to 60 days to see. 241 00:12:32.309 --> 00:12:33.570 If I can get out. Well, I don't know. 242 00:12:33.649 --> 00:12:33.870 I mean. 243 00:12:35.480 --> 00:12:36.960 You have a warrant, so you're going to go to 244 00:12:36.980 --> 00:12:42.399 jail today. I can't change that. Do you have something 245 00:12:42.440 --> 00:12:45.779 to say, and maybe I can verify it, and that'll 246 00:12:45.870 --> 00:12:48.750 clear you and take away all the evidence that I have. 247 00:12:48.759 --> 00:12:52.090 But again, nothing will change the fact that you're going. 248 00:12:52.009 --> 00:12:53.309 To go to jail today. 249 00:12:54.149 --> 00:12:58.450 Even the detectives seem confused by Jim. What a confusing, odd, 250 00:12:58.690 --> 00:13:03.529 awkward character he seems to be. His voice is low 251 00:13:03.710 --> 00:13:07.350 and raspy, as if he's been crying for days, or 252 00:13:08.110 --> 00:13:11.429 as if he's playing the Kevin Spacey character in Seven. 253 00:13:12.350 --> 00:13:16.690 He didn't behave like a typical murder suspect. He was polite, 254 00:13:17.090 --> 00:13:22.889 but frightened. Agreeable, but creepy. At times, he seemed almost 255 00:13:23.009 --> 00:13:26.929 naive about what was going on. But then he'd say 256 00:13:26.970 --> 00:13:30.129 something that suggested he understood far more than he was 257 00:13:30.169 --> 00:13:33.529 letting on. He said he wanted to cooperate and tell 258 00:13:33.570 --> 00:13:37.129 them everything, but he couldn't. Yet he kept letting little 259 00:13:37.190 --> 00:13:40.330 bits of his story slip out. He just couldn't shut 260 00:13:40.370 --> 00:13:43.570 that yapper, you know? Some of y'all have that same problem. 261 00:13:44.490 --> 00:13:46.009 I have all of the answers that you need, but 262 00:13:46.070 --> 00:13:47.669 I can't, I can't talk. 263 00:13:47.809 --> 00:13:48.250 I can't. 264 00:13:49.330 --> 00:13:51.110 The one attorney that I've talked to has said, don't 265 00:13:51.129 --> 00:13:54.929 say anything because you could just incriminate yourself and I'm 266 00:13:54.970 --> 00:13:55.830 totally naive in this. 267 00:13:55.850 --> 00:13:56.690 I don't know what I'm doing. 268 00:13:56.710 --> 00:14:00.700 And you both seem very nice, but I know that 269 00:14:00.720 --> 00:14:02.860 your job is to help me away. 270 00:14:03.919 --> 00:14:08.649 Well, Our job is to figure out what happened. Our 271 00:14:08.690 --> 00:14:10.509 point is not to put you away. It's to put 272 00:14:10.549 --> 00:14:15.289 the person away that caused this to your wife. And 273 00:14:15.470 --> 00:14:16.470 that's where we're at. 274 00:14:16.470 --> 00:14:17.629 What if that person is my wife? 275 00:14:18.730 --> 00:14:20.889 We don't have that information, though. 276 00:14:21.669 --> 00:14:26.279 What an interesting hypothetical question. What if the person responsible 277 00:14:26.320 --> 00:14:28.460 for my wife's death was my wife? 278 00:14:29.480 --> 00:14:29.639 Huh? 279 00:14:29.659 --> 00:14:31.320 What, what, what? 280 00:14:31.399 --> 00:14:31.700 Philosophy. 281 00:14:32.840 --> 00:14:37.000 Philosophy. Jim kept saying he had all the answers, but 282 00:14:37.840 --> 00:14:41.100 every time detectives gave him an opportunity to provide them, 283 00:14:42.059 --> 00:14:46.259 he stopped short. He seemed desperate to know what they 284 00:14:46.320 --> 00:14:48.850 knew without telling them what he knew. 285 00:14:49.490 --> 00:14:50.549 Oh, this is horrible. 286 00:14:52.789 --> 00:14:59.750 Detectives, what would you do if you were in my position? 287 00:14:59.889 -->

00:15:01.710 I feel for you. I really do. 288 00:15:01.730 --> 00:15:04.379 I trust you. So what would you do? 289 00:15:04.860 --> 00:15:07.659 And I can't give you your advice and I can't 290 00:15:07.700 --> 00:15:08.399 tell you what to do. 291 00:15:08.419 --> 00:15:09.820 Yeah. 292 00:15:09.879 --> 00:15:12.759 I mean, it's really just getting down to the truth. 293 00:15:14.399 --> 00:15:16.480 Yeah, but I don't want to incriminate myself. You know, 294 00:15:16.500 --> 00:15:19.399 I'm really being careful because I know how this looks. 295 00:15:19.960 --> 00:15:23.960 I knew exactly how this was going to look. Has 296 00:15:23.980 --> 00:15:25.360 the toxicology report come back? 297 00:15:27.240 --> 00:15:31.799 Um, for, for what? 298 00:15:32.549 --> 00:15:35.090 For Angela, I know they were running talks on her. 299 00:15:35.769 --> 00:15:38.490 I mean, there's a ton of toxicology. I mean, they 300 00:15:38.570 --> 00:15:41.809 just don't know what happened. They don't know what caused 301 00:15:41.889 --> 00:15:42.629 any of this, so. 302 00:15:43.529 --> 00:15:49.340 Toxicology? Angie had spent nine days suffering from a mysterious 303 00:15:49.419 --> 00:15:55.519 illness doctors couldn't identify. Why was Jim already talking about toxins? 304 00:15:56.399 --> 00:16:01.299 So then, what grounds did you arrest me under then? 305 00:16:02.070 --> 00:16:04.049 Again, I'm going to default to kind of what Detective 306 00:16:04.090 --> 00:16:06.309 Harris said. I mean, we have a lot of questions, 307 00:16:06.649 --> 00:16:11.750 as I'm sure you do. And I can't, so it's 308 00:16:11.870 --> 00:16:15.500 kind of when we get into talking about the actual 309 00:16:15.509 --> 00:16:21.460 specifics of the case, that really can't occur until we're 310 00:16:21.480 --> 00:16:22.759 either going to talk or we're not. 311 00:16:23.779 --> 00:16:25.659 I would like to contact the attorney that I was 312 00:16:25.679 --> 00:16:27.720 thinking of using, and I reached out to him, and 313 00:16:27.740 --> 00:16:29.620 then you guys took my phone, and I don't know 314 00:16:29.639 --> 00:16:31.539 if they've tried to reach out to me or not. 315 00:16:34.710 --> 00:16:37.590 And there's basically a straight-up. 316 00:16:38.929 --> 00:16:43.070 Written, here's everything that happened from my iPhone that I 317 00:16:43.110 --> 00:16:45.529 wrote the night before you took my phone. I wanted 318 00:16:45.549 --> 00:16:47.289 to sit down and figure out the timeline so that 319 00:16:47.330 --> 00:16:48.129 I could remember. 320 00:16:47.870 --> 00:16:50.409 Exactly what happened and when. I mean, that's all there. 321 00:16:52.509 --> 00:16:54.279 And so I don't know. 322 00:16:54.480 --> 00:16:54.899 I don't know. 323 00:16:54.980 --> 00:16:55.700 I'm so sorry. 324 00:16:55.720 --> 00:16:57.919 I don't know what to take to the scene. 325 00:16:57.960 --> 00:17:00.440 You don't have to be sorry. I mean, this is 326 00:17:00.500 --> 00:17:01.419 a scary

situation. 327 00:17:01.440 --> 00:17:01.740 I know. 328 00:17:02.570 --> 00:17:05.799 And I didn't do this. I don't know how to 329 00:17:05.880 --> 00:17:09.380 exonerate myself. I don't know what to do. I'm scared 330 00:17:09.400 --> 00:17:10.539 to death. I don't know what to do. 331 00:17:11.220 --> 00:17:13.359 I want desperately to talk to you because I trust you, 332 00:17:13.400 --> 00:17:17.019 but what happens if you guys just put me on? 333 00:17:17.339 --> 00:17:21.420 What happens if you're not really on my side? Or 334 00:17:21.819 --> 00:17:23.680 I could say something that makes me look horrible, and 335 00:17:23.700 --> 00:17:28.240 then somebody's attorney with an ax to grind puts me away. 336 00:17:28.259 --> 00:17:29.029 I don't want that. 337 00:17:29.720 --> 00:17:31.670 It was a good idea for Jim to contact a 338 00:17:31.690 --> 00:17:37.440 lawyer because... They were not on his side. They never are. 339 00:17:38.660 --> 00:17:42.029 What Jim didn't know was how much of the final 340 00:17:42.049 --> 00:17:46.430 weeks of Angie's life detectives had already reconstructed. And while 341 00:17:46.470 --> 00:17:50.549 he tried not to speak to the police, pieces of 342 00:17:50.630 --> 00:17:53.720 another explanation kept appearing in what he said. 343 00:17:53.740 --> 00:17:56.559 I'm sorry that we're hearing of this situation. 344 00:17:57.339 --> 00:18:01.420 I am too. I'm sorry that I didn't just let 345 00:18:01.440 --> 00:18:02.400 her go through with this here today. 346 00:18:10.549 --> 00:18:14.599 What a chatty Cathy this guy is. He sounds like 347 00:18:14.680 --> 00:18:19.880 Adam Bush. Before police ever arrested him, Jim had already 348 00:18:20.000 --> 00:18:22.859 typed out a detailed timeline of the days leading up 349 00:18:22.900 --> 00:18:26.660 to Angie's collapse. In the interview, he wanted to know 350 00:18:26.819 --> 00:18:32.200 about toxicology. He made a cryptic remark about wishing he'd 351 00:18:32.819 --> 00:18:36.640 Let her go through with this years ago. And again 352 00:18:36.690 --> 00:18:39.630 and again, he insisted there were answers that would eventually 353 00:18:39.690 --> 00:18:44.049 make everything make sense. To the police, the story was 354 00:18:44.089 --> 00:18:48.319 already clear. They believed they already knew who killed Angie. 355 00:18:49.160 --> 00:18:52.619 What they still needed to understand was why. 356 00:19:19.839 --> 00:19:21.880 Now we take you to Aurora, where we're gathering new 357 00:19:21.920 --> 00:19:25.759 information on what investigators are calling a heinous, complex, and 358 00:19:25.880 --> 00:19:26.980 calculated murder. 359 00:19:27.099 --> 00:19:29.900 An Aurora dentist and a father of six is in 360 00:19:29.980 --> 00:19:30.750 jail tonight. 361 00:19:30.970 --> 00:19:31.950 Crazy, crazy story. 362 00:19:32.009 --> 00:19:35.869 Accused of murdering his wife. The only thing more shocking 363 00:19:35.950 --> 00:19:38.309 than the sudden death of a loved one is their 364 00:19:38.410 --> 00:19:42.390 spouse being arrested in connection. The only thing more shocking 365 00:19:42.430 --> 00:19:46.779 than that is the whole country knowing about it. The 366 00:19:46.819 --> 00:19:49.950 story of the Aurora dentist plotting to kill his wife 367 00:19:50.200 --> 00:19:56.460 made national and eventually international news Angie's family and even 368 00:19:56.859 --> 00:20:00.450 Jim's relatives couldn't believe it Jim and Angie had been 369 00:20:00.490 --> 00:20:04.150 married for more than 20 years They lived a privileged 370 00:20:04.250 --> 00:20:09.140 life They had all the material things, you know They 371 00:20:09.160 --> 00:20:12.019 also raised six kids, two of whom are now adults. 372 00:20:13.000 --> 00:20:15.119 Their oldest son was starting a family of his own. 373 00:20:16.150 --> 00:20:20.349 The Craigs seemed happy. Their group of family and friends 374 00:20:20.390 --> 00:20:24.309 was tight and had been for years. Jim's best friend 375 00:20:24.349 --> 00:20:27.250 from childhood was still his best friend. They had grown 376 00:20:27.289 --> 00:20:30.150 up together, and even their wives became best friends. 377 00:20:31.049 --> 00:20:34.890 Andrew's Nikki's best friend, has been, always will be. She's 378 00:20:34.930 --> 00:20:38.150 the best, she's the greatest friend that Nikki's ever had. 379 00:20:39.170 --> 00:20:41.470 We went to dental school in the same place, and 380 00:20:41.490 --> 00:20:43.769 so we lived close to them. We lived like three 381 00:20:43.789 --> 00:20:47.180 doors down from Jim and Angie. Our friends lived on 382 00:20:47.319 --> 00:20:49.000 our street. 383 00:20:50.119 --> 00:20:54.460 They were at our wedding. We've raised 10 kids together, so. 384 00:20:55.019 --> 00:20:57.960 We'd hang out a lot. Our kids were at their 385 00:20:57.980 --> 00:21:00.009 house all the time. Our kids still went to their house. 386 00:21:00.720 --> 00:21:04.650 To Mike and Nikki Harmon, Jim and Angie's relationship was great. 387 00:21:05.730 --> 00:21:09.829 They had spent years as each other's best friends. Jim 388 00:21:09.849 --> 00:21:12.750 met Angie in college. They got married in December of 389 00:21:12.750 --> 00:21:17.730 1999 when she was only 20 and Jim was 22. 390 00:21:17.730 --> 00:21:22.799 Jim was ambitious and charismatic and Angie loved that. He 391 00:21:22.839 --> 00:21:25.380 even started his own business during his first year of 392 00:21:25.440 --> 00:21:26.000 dental school. 393 00:21:26.759 --> 00:21:30.359 He created a business and like actually made some pretty 394 00:21:30.380 --> 00:21:32.849 good money like He was doing it out of his 395 00:21:32.869 --> 00:21:34.750 little townhome dental school, right? 396 00:21:34.789 --> 00:21:37.670 And it's like, who has time to do that? He does. 397 00:21:38.069 --> 00:21:40.799 He types like 100 words a minute. He has a 398 00:21:40.859 --> 00:21:42.019 photographic memory. 399

00:21:42.700 --> 00:21:46.539 Jim made about $ 100, 000 that year before he was sued 400 00:21:46.599 --> 00:21:49.720 and had to take his product off the market. After 401 00:21:49.759 --> 00:21:53.819 dental school, the friend stayed in touch. Jim graduated in 402 00:21:53.819 --> 00:21:57.619 06 and moved to Aurora, Colorado to start his own practice. 403 00:21:58.640 --> 00:22:02.450 When Mike Harmon graduated and was considering moving to Colorado also, 404 00:22:03.329 --> 00:22:06.710 Jim offered him a job. They needed health insurance. 405 00:22:07.690 --> 00:22:11.730 And Jim said, well, I'm looking for an associate. I've 406 00:22:11.769 --> 00:22:15.089 got group insurance. I'll put her on day one if 407 00:22:15.109 --> 00:22:17.349 you want to come work for me. And it was 408 00:22:17.390 --> 00:22:21.589 kind of like, well, yeah, I mean, like, that would 409 00:22:21.630 --> 00:22:25.049 be an answer to kind of our problems right now. Like, 410 00:22:25.069 --> 00:22:27.829 you get a job, you get insurance, like, all the things. 411 00:22:28.589 --> 00:22:31.369 So that's what we did. So they worked together for 412 00:22:36.369 --> 00:22:39.910 two years, a little over two years. He would help anyone, 413 00:22:39.950 --> 00:22:42.750 do whatever, like really generous. 414 00:22:43.799 --> 00:22:47.799 And life unfolded from there. Between the Craggs and the Harmans, 415 00:22:48.480 --> 00:22:52.500 the best friends would raise ten kids together. You couldn't 416 00:22:52.539 --> 00:22:55.740 tell where one family started and the other ended. That's 417 00:22:55.759 --> 00:22:59.390 how close they were. And the Harmans were witness to 418 00:22:59.450 --> 00:22:59.930 their love. 419 00:23:00.589 --> 00:23:04.440 They entertained all the time, New Year's Eve parties, you know, 420 00:23:04.480 --> 00:23:05.480 like making dinner. 421 00:23:05.500 --> 00:23:09.160 He got into cooking for a while. That was a hobby. 422 00:23:09.200 --> 00:23:10.960 That was one of them. Like he was making creme 423 00:23:10.980 --> 00:23:12.539 brulee and crab legs. 424 00:23:12.559 --> 00:23:15.400 You know, like they went on vacation all the time 425 00:23:15.460 --> 00:23:16.119 and all the things. 426 00:23:16.980 --> 00:23:20.829 And we went on a cruise with them. And Jim 427 00:23:20.849 --> 00:23:23.670 was just, he was filming Angie, like I love you. 428 00:23:23.789 --> 00:23:25.670 And he was very over the top with everything. 429 00:23:26.519 --> 00:23:29.519 To anyone looking on, Jim and Angie were deeply in love. 430 00:23:30.400 --> 00:23:33.420 They raised a family, enjoyed life, and even worked together. 431 00:23:34.420 --> 00:23:37.420 Angie ran the front office and Jim did the dentistry. 432 00:23:38.299 --> 00:23:41.539 But behind the facade of a loving couple and happy family, 433 00:23:42.380 --> 00:23:46.039 Angie was struggling to keep it all together. Very few 434 00:23:46.240 --> 00:23:50.859 people knew about Angie's struggles. One who did was her 435 00:23:50.920 --> 00:23:55.700 older sister, Toni. About five years before her death, Angie 436 00:23:55.740 --> 00:23:59.019 called her sister one day, a day they normally wouldn't talk. 437 00:23:59.819 --> 00:24:02.180 And so I was cooking dinner and I pick up 438 00:24:02.220 --> 00:24:02.500 the phone. 439 00:24:02.539 --> 00:24:03.880 I'm like, hello? 440 00:24:03.900 --> 00:24:08.339 I'm like, Sunday, what are you doing? And she was crying. 441 00:24:08.359 --> 00:24:14.799 And I said, what's wrong? And she said, I should 442 00:24:14.839 --> 00:24:19.400 probably start from the beginning. And I'm thinking, the beginning 443 00:24:19.420 --> 00:24:22.259 of what? I mean, if I could help you understand 444 00:24:22.339 --> 00:24:24.529 how much time I'd spent with them. Our kids are 445 00:24:24.549 --> 00:24:27.430 the same age. I'm 13 years older than her, but 446 00:24:27.450 --> 00:24:30.569 we got married three months apart. We saw each other 447 00:24:30.609 --> 00:24:34.150 all the time. And yeah, my baby was 10 months 448 00:24:34.190 --> 00:24:36.869 when she was having her first. And, you know, so 449 00:24:36.930 --> 00:24:40.730 I'm thinking, and he was always very nice, very, you 450 00:24:40.750 --> 00:24:43.630 should come and we should this, and we love having you. 451 00:24:43.690 --> 00:24:49.430 And so she said, he, she told me that he 452 00:24:49.470 --> 00:24:53.680 had multiple kind of hookups. back then. Okay. That's the 453 00:24:53.720 --> 00:24:55.910 conversation she and we had, that he'd had a bunch 454 00:24:55.950 --> 00:24:58.309 of hookups and said he'd been addicted to porn for 455 00:24:58.309 --> 00:25:01.490 17 years. And then he told her that he'd had 456 00:25:01.549 --> 00:25:05.730 an affair or had a, a fling or whatever with 457 00:25:05.829 --> 00:25:09.609 somebody at a dental conference and that he came home 458 00:25:09.650 --> 00:25:11.130 and announced that he'd been having an affair and he 459 00:25:11.170 --> 00:25:16.390 was leaving her. And she was distraught, of course, because 460 00:25:16.430 --> 00:25:18.890 she'd been trying to hold their family together for all 461 00:25:18.930 --> 00:25:23.349 these years. Um, And she was trying to figure out 462 00:25:23.930 --> 00:25:28.390 whether she should just leave or try to fight for 463 00:25:28.519 --> 00:25:30.220 it or see is he serious. 464 00:25:31.180 --> 00:25:34.400 Angie was deeply religious and highly devoted to her family. 465 00:25:35.339 --> 00:25:38.160 She wanted to keep it together at almost any cost. 466 00:25:39.059 --> 00:25:42.839 But Jim's multiple affairs were just the tip of the iceberg. 467 00:25:43.819 --> 00:25:48.119 Hidden beneath the glossy exterior of their life were more secrets. 468 00:25:48.880 --> 00:25:50.240 I'm a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of 469 00:25:50.259 --> 00:25:50.799 Latter-day Saints. 470 00:25:50.839 --> 00:25:51.339 He is too. 471 00:25:53.190 -->

00:25:56.549 And so is Angie. And so he lost membership privileges 472 00:25:56.589 --> 00:25:59.990 a couple of years ago for adultery. I didn't know 473 00:26:00.029 --> 00:26:04.920 this at the time. And he approached me. Him and 474 00:26:04.980 --> 00:26:07.279 Angie came to our house to sort of like tell 475 00:26:07.299 --> 00:26:08.039 us what was going on. 476 00:26:08.859 --> 00:26:12.180 The precipice for it, I guess, was not like, we 477 00:26:12.220 --> 00:26:14.880 need to get this off our chest. It actually was 478 00:26:14.960 --> 00:26:19.609 more that within our church, he was going through a 479 00:26:19.650 --> 00:26:20.210 counsel process. 480 00:26:21.460 --> 00:26:24.670 Like a disciplinary council for what has happened. 481 00:26:25.529 --> 00:26:28.849 And my husband was going to be sitting on that 482 00:26:28.890 --> 00:26:32.750 disciplinary council. So he was like, before you show up 483 00:26:32.910 --> 00:26:36.130 on Thursday night for this meeting, let me tell you 484 00:26:36.150 --> 00:26:38.900 what's been going on. He's like, it got. 485 00:26:38.799 --> 00:26:41.299 So bad at one point. I drugged her one night. 486 00:26:41.319 --> 00:26:42.559 I was going to kill myself. 487 00:26:43.119 --> 00:26:44.960 He goes, I gave Angie this so she could sleep. 488 00:26:45.380 --> 00:26:47.119 So she could sleep through the night. He didn't say drug. 489 00:26:47.630 --> 00:26:48.849 I was going to inject myself with this. 490 00:26:48.869 --> 00:26:50.069 I didn't want her to wake me up because I 491 00:26:50.089 --> 00:26:52.230 knew she would try to stop me. 492 00:26:53.450 --> 00:26:54.690 I wanted to protect Angie. 493 00:26:55.170 --> 00:26:56.230 I wanted to protect Angie. 494 00:26:57.130 --> 00:27:01.880 Jim's act, and his confession to it, shattered the image 495 00:27:02.099 --> 00:27:05.160 that their best friends had of them. They drifted apart 496 00:27:05.220 --> 00:27:08.359 after that. Angie felt alone. 497 00:27:09.140 --> 00:27:11.519 I think part of it was like, now that you 498 00:27:11.559 --> 00:27:16.240 know all our crap, it's weird. You know, like. 499 00:27:17.170 --> 00:27:21.890 Angie had confided in her sister, Tony, too. Tony started 500 00:27:21.910 --> 00:27:23.450 to see through Jim's behavior. 501 00:27:24.170 --> 00:27:26.630 And then she called me one day and she was mad. 502 00:27:27.140 --> 00:27:32.259 And I'm like, of course, nature of life when someone's 503 00:27:32.279 --> 00:27:37.220 cheated on you, right? And she said that he had 504 00:27:37.279 --> 00:27:43.849 sedated her and his reasoning behind that was that he 505 00:27:43.910 --> 00:27:46.369 sedated her so that she wouldn't wake up so he 506 00:27:46.410 --> 00:27:48.930 could go in their bathroom and kill himself. And she 507 00:27:48.950 --> 00:27:50.880 was just angry that he had sedated her and she 508 00:27:50.890 --> 00:27:54.099 didn't know that she was being sedated. Because she takes 509 00:27:54.140 -->

00:27:57.440 lots of allergy meds and she's got all kinds of, 510 00:27:57.460 --> 00:28:00.279 she's had sinus infections, I mean tons. So it's not 511 00:28:00.319 --> 00:28:04.740 unusual for her husband who can prescribe medicine to give 512 00:28:04.779 --> 00:28:08.759 her something. But it was a paradigm shift because now 513 00:28:08.839 --> 00:28:10.960 she's not focused on the affair. She's focused on, oh 514 00:28:11.140 --> 00:28:14.589 my gosh, he's going to kill himself. And I know 515 00:28:14.650 --> 00:28:19.589 at the time they were both going to multiple or 516 00:28:19.630 --> 00:28:24.730 had begun going to multiple counselors. She was in therapy, 517 00:28:25.690 --> 00:28:28.569 individual therapy to deal with the effects of his affairs 518 00:28:28.630 --> 00:28:32.079 and the years of betrayal. And because she wanted to 519 00:28:32.099 --> 00:28:35.220 keep her family together. And then she was in couples 520 00:28:35.240 --> 00:28:38.420 therapy with him. And then he went to three different therapists, 521 00:28:38.440 --> 00:28:44.200 like a sex addiction therapist, individual therapy. Like mental health 522 00:28:44.259 --> 00:28:45.660 and then couples. 523 00:28:46.759 --> 00:28:49.750 Both Jim and Angie would start going to therapy. And 524 00:28:49.769 --> 00:28:53.089 things seemed to be getting better. But soon Jim would 525 00:28:53.109 --> 00:28:55.269 have to file for bankruptcy after COVID. 526 00:28:56.109 --> 00:29:01.299 Because he had done severe damage to his practice. He 527 00:29:01.359 --> 00:29:04.619 wasn't going to work for real. He was canceling patients. 528 00:29:05.140 --> 00:29:06.140 He was spending money. 529 00:29:07.029 --> 00:29:10.269 They spend money like it's going out of style. We 530 00:29:10.289 --> 00:29:12.309 thought they were so well off. It's like, oh yeah, 531 00:29:12.710 --> 00:29:16.359 like they were working really hard to make it look 532 00:29:16.380 --> 00:29:20.500 that way. I think for a while they were probably okay. 533 00:29:21.460 --> 00:29:25.339 Financially it was probably okay. I think for a lot 534 00:29:25.420 --> 00:29:31.609 while Angie probably didn't know. But for sure there came 535 00:29:31.619 --> 00:29:35.970 a day where it was like, do we have money? 536 00:29:37.190 --> 00:29:39.670 We still have like a ton of cars and all 537 00:29:39.710 --> 00:29:41.339 kinds of I was like, yeah, I don't know what 538 00:29:41.359 --> 00:29:42.799 they're doing, but it's not good. 539 00:29:43.059 --> 00:29:44.200 Like it's all fake. 540 00:29:44.759 --> 00:29:48.089 But I think after a while it became, everyone thinks 541 00:29:48.109 --> 00:29:49.069 that we're this thing. 542 00:29:49.769 --> 00:29:50.029 Right. 543 00:29:50.049 --> 00:29:51.789 Like the keeping up with the Joneses. Yeah. 544 00:29:51.829 --> 00:29:53.849 And they were like, people think that we're happy and 545 00:29:53.890 --> 00:29:57.029 people think that we're well off and all the things. 546 00:29:57.109 --> 00:29:58.650 And it was like, it's. 547 00:29:58.609 --> 00:29:59.519 All a house of cards. 548 00:30:00.539 --> 00:30:04.940 They looked like they had money, but didn't, really. They 549 00:30:04.960 --> 00:30:09.009 looked happy, but Jim admitted to having multiple affairs. They 550 00:30:09.029 --> 00:30:14.009 were going to need therapy, together and individually. Except Jim 551 00:30:14.710 --> 00:30:16.089 still thought they should get divorced. 552 00:30:17.009 --> 00:30:20.690 So he continued to press. You need to leave me. 553 00:30:21.369 --> 00:30:23.799 I'm not good for you. I was in the kitchen 554 00:30:23.859 --> 00:30:26.079 and he said, I decided the best thing for you 555 00:30:26.119 --> 00:30:29.140 to do is to divorce me. I'm not good for you. 556 00:30:29.200 --> 00:30:33.019 I've ruined your life. And I think that is the best. 557 00:30:33.880 --> 00:30:36.779 So he didn't flat out say, like, I am leaving you. Like, 558 00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:39.640 I filed for divorce. No, he wanted her to leave him. 559 00:30:40.039 --> 00:30:40.220 Right. 560 00:30:40.259 --> 00:30:41.980 So it was kind of just leave me. 561 00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:42.440 I'm not good. 562 00:30:42.460 --> 00:30:44.559 You need to leave me. You need to divorce me. 563 00:30:44.779 --> 00:30:45.880 It's the best thing. 564 00:30:47.019 --> 00:30:49.839 Angie tried to fix her marriage to help her husband 565 00:30:50.660 --> 00:30:54.960 and maintain her life. Then on December 9th, just three 566 00:30:55.059 --> 00:30:58.849 months before her death, she had caught Jim doing something odd. 567 00:30:59.660 --> 00:31:02.680 So on December 9th at 1.08 p.m., that's a Friday. 568 00:31:02.710 --> 00:31:06.289 I'm not ready to talk yet, just yet. But I 569 00:31:06.349 --> 00:31:08.869 need to reach out because I'm feeling really broken and 570 00:31:08.930 --> 00:31:13.809 really alone. I'm leaving Jim. Not until after Christmas, but 571 00:31:13.839 --> 00:31:16.680 he's made it impossible to stay. I don't really have 572 00:31:16.720 --> 00:31:20.200 a plan yet. Mostly I'm just alternating between crying and numb. 573 00:31:20.440 --> 00:31:22.119 I hope you're there for me, or I know you're 574 00:31:22.140 --> 00:31:24.559 there for me. And I love you for it. I'll 575 00:31:24.599 --> 00:31:27.400 talk when I can. And I miss my mom. 576 00:31:28.349 --> 00:31:29.009 So December 10th. 577 00:31:29.829 --> 00:31:33.450 How are you holding up? I'm exhausted. I'm hungry and 578 00:31:33.470 --> 00:31:35.720 my head hurts and I need a nap. It wasn't 579 00:31:35.740 --> 00:31:38.740 what I thought it was. So here's where he shifted 580 00:31:38.799 --> 00:31:43.380 the narrative. It wasn't what I thought it was. And 581 00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:46.700 I'm staying. But it's something and it's a mess and 582 00:31:46.759 --> 00:31:49.680 I'll have to call and explain. It's all just so 583 00:31:49.740 --> 00:31:53.829 broken and stupid.

December 11th. I don't even know what 584 00:31:53.869 --> 00:31:57.210 to explain or how to explain what happened. So I'm 585 00:31:57.230 --> 00:32:00.250 going to give you the short version. I thought Jim 586 00:32:00.269 --> 00:32:03.829 was cheating again. He wasn't. He was lying and talking 587 00:32:03.869 --> 00:32:06.859 to other people, mostly women online, but none of it 588 00:32:06.900 --> 00:32:11.059 was even emotional, sexual, or personal. What it boils down 589 00:32:11.140 --> 00:32:13.480 to is Jim needs to finish digging into his broken 590 00:32:13.519 --> 00:32:18.349 relationship with his mom. His need for validation from and 591 00:32:18.440 --> 00:32:21.309 control over women in whatever way he can get it 592 00:32:21.789 --> 00:32:24.789 is strong, and I don't doubt if I hadn't found out, 593 00:32:25.029 --> 00:32:27.130 this would have eventually gone the way it did last time. 594 00:32:28.200 --> 00:32:31.000 He found a website for people who are struggling financially 595 00:32:31.019 --> 00:32:34.079 and need help where they're supposed to be able to 596 00:32:34.119 --> 00:32:38.670 find odd jobs for money. But it has really turned 597 00:32:38.690 --> 00:32:42.690 into a site for predators who give money and expect sex. 598 00:32:44.049 --> 00:32:47.630 Fancy prostitution. He was giving money and feeling like the 599 00:32:47.670 --> 00:32:50.690 best human ever when he didn't demand sex, but he 600 00:32:50.730 --> 00:32:54.319 was lying to me and talking to other women frequently. 601 00:32:54.950 --> 00:32:57.769 His explanation, it was in order to get them to 602 00:32:57.829 --> 00:33:00.970 like him and think he was amazing, and then he 603 00:33:01.029 --> 00:33:02.549 moved on to the next person. 604 00:33:03.390 --> 00:33:06.150 Jim was spending money they didn't have, giving it to 605 00:33:06.269 --> 00:33:09.819 women he didn't know, just so he could get that warm, 606 00:33:10.059 --> 00:33:10.799 fuzzy feeling. 607 00:33:11.839 --> 00:33:12.170 Weird. 608 00:33:13.180 --> 00:33:16.339 Time would pass. Angie and Jim would stay together, and 609 00:33:16.440 --> 00:33:20.119 Jim's new partnership with Ryan Redfern was helping him work 610 00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:23.089 his way out of debt. They seemed to be through 611 00:33:23.130 --> 00:33:26.849 the rough patch in their marriage. The weekend before her 612 00:33:26.890 --> 00:33:30.809 mysterious illness started, Angie spent time with her sister, Toni, 613 00:33:31.299 --> 00:33:36.339 in Utah. They attended Roots Tech, a genealogy convention. 614 00:33:37.039 --> 00:33:38.579 You guys went and did normal things. 615 00:33:39.460 --> 00:33:40.900 It was a normal... Normal. 616 00:33:40.980 --> 00:33:43.740 I picked her up. We went downtown. We got dinner. 617 00:33:43.759 --> 00:33:46.430 We went to the hotel. My other sister-in-law was waiting 618 00:33:46.470 --> 00:33:46.869 for us. 619 00:33:47.950 --> 00:33:51.569 Of course, Toni asked Angie how

things were going with Jim. 620 00:33:52.369 --> 00:33:54.559 And she said, I think it's been good for him 621 00:33:54.599 --> 00:33:56.539 to just be there with the kids. It's a good distraction. 622 00:33:56.680 --> 00:33:59.259 He's had to, you know, just take their kids sounded. 623 00:33:59.839 --> 00:34:02.049 I never spoke to him, but it sounded like he 624 00:34:02.069 --> 00:34:04.829 was in good spirits. She felt confident. She wasn't overly. 625 00:34:05.490 --> 00:34:05.809 Anxious. 626 00:34:06.190 --> 00:34:08.210 She was leaving all the classes to call. And she 627 00:34:08.250 --> 00:34:11.809 didn't come back after? Upset, no. She came back and 628 00:34:11.829 --> 00:34:13.289 we'd all sit around and talk and eat all the 629 00:34:13.309 --> 00:34:15.449 snacks we brought that we probably shouldn't be eating. Right, 630 00:34:15.690 --> 00:34:17.570 because that's what we do when we go to sleep. 631 00:34:18.090 --> 00:34:20.000 She'd set her alarm and set her white noise and 632 00:34:20.079 --> 00:34:21.860 go to sleep and she was up first taking a 633 00:34:21.880 --> 00:34:26.539 shower and normal. 100% normal. 634 00:34:27.380 --> 00:34:29.659 They had a great weekend and to Tony it seemed 635 00:34:29.679 --> 00:34:32.619 like Angie and Jim were working through their issues, but 636 00:34:33.449 --> 00:34:38.030 The next day, Monday, March 6th, the happy, joking, carefree 637 00:34:38.130 --> 00:34:39.489 Angie was gone. 638 00:34:40.269 --> 00:34:42.690 I can't really explain because my brain doesn't want to work. 639 00:34:43.210 --> 00:34:45.989 Something feels really weird in my head. And my body 640 00:34:46.050 --> 00:34:47.730 is sluggish and Jim's going to take me to the 641 00:34:47.769 --> 00:34:50.590 doctor this morning. I said, well, that's not good and 642 00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:53.320 a little scary. When are you going in? He took 643 00:34:53.340 --> 00:34:55.139 the girls to a friend and he should be home soon. 644 00:34:55.880 --> 00:34:57.619 I said, well, what do you think it is? She said, 645 00:34:57.679 --> 00:35:01.019 no idea. You going to the ER? Do you have 646 00:35:01.039 --> 00:35:04.210 an appointment? She said, the ER. I said, keep me 647 00:35:04.250 --> 00:35:06.170 posted or I'll check in in a while to see 648 00:35:06.230 --> 00:35:09.340 if there's an answer. Are you nervous? She goes, I'm 649 00:35:09.380 --> 00:35:12.199 not necessarily nervous. I just don't understand why I went 650 00:35:12.260 --> 00:35:14.599 from perfect. Because she rode her bike like she did 651 00:35:14.659 --> 00:35:18.519 every morning, had a protein shake that she said Jim 652 00:35:18.539 --> 00:35:23.679 made for her, and then went to not feeling well. Yeah, 653 00:35:23.780 --> 00:35:25.340 and then she just went to not feeling well. 654 00:35:26.199 --> 00:35:29.639 Angie's illness was sudden enough and severe enough for Jim 655 00:35:29.659 --> 00:35:32.409 to take her to the emergency room. She would

be 656 00:35:32.449 --> 00:35:35.489 released that same day with no explanation of her symptoms. 657 00:35:36.619 --> 00:35:39.210 The following day, Toni texted to check in on her. 658 00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:44.760 So she says, Tuesday morning, 8.43, I said, okay, spill it. 659 00:35:45.159 --> 00:35:49.420 How are things this morning? She said, bad. Now I'm 660 00:35:49.480 --> 00:35:52.449 stuffy and seeing spots. Honestly though, I think I'm sick 661 00:35:52.489 --> 00:35:54.550 and this is one of those lovely side effects. See, 662 00:35:54.570 --> 00:35:57.190 she goes immediately to some kind of ear infection or something. 663 00:35:57.610 --> 00:35:59.630 Inner ear infection and everything that comes with it. 664 00:36:00.590 --> 00:36:05.260 Angie suffered from Almost chronic sinus and ear infections. She 665 00:36:05.300 --> 00:36:10.510 had severe allergies to all animals. So whenever she felt bad, 666 00:36:10.570 --> 00:36:15.030 she would default to that diagnosis. Tony wasn't convinced that 667 00:36:15.369 --> 00:36:17.010 an ear infection fit. 668 00:36:17.909 --> 00:36:20.329 I said, someone give me a good remedy for a headache, 669 00:36:20.349 --> 00:36:23.309 4-ivuprofen and a Midol. She's like, yeah, I took them 670 00:36:23.369 --> 00:36:25.349 about three hours ago, but I think I need sleep 671 00:36:25.369 --> 00:36:28.199 for the rest of it. I said, and food. So 672 00:36:28.280 --> 00:36:32.360 I had him deliver Panera. So I said, she's like, 673 00:36:32.400 --> 00:36:34.420 I'm alone with the babies for an hour or so. 674 00:36:34.900 --> 00:36:38.239 And then I can sleep. I've been slowly snacking. I 675 00:36:38.280 --> 00:36:40.199 also punched myself in the nose trying to wrangle the 676 00:36:40.219 --> 00:36:43.159 wrap off my arm yesterday. So that's not helping. So 677 00:36:43.179 --> 00:36:45.159 do you feel like you need some help? Is your 678 00:36:45.179 --> 00:36:48.300 dizziness ready? Or is your dizziness really bad? Jim just 679 00:36:48.340 --> 00:36:50.659 told me you passed out this morning. Be honest. How 680 00:36:50.699 --> 00:36:53.579 are you feeling? She said, he's such a bum. 681 00:36:53.800 --> 00:36:54.099 I did. 682 00:36:54.139 --> 00:36:58.940 But that wasn't not long after I woke up. I 683 00:36:58.980 --> 00:37:03.050 still felt a lot like yesterday, vision still blurred and 684 00:37:03.070 --> 00:37:04.789 stuff as well as spots in my eyes and a 685 00:37:04.829 --> 00:37:07.090 huge headache. I got up and tried to feed the 686 00:37:07.110 --> 00:37:08.869 bird and got dizzy, so I put my hand on 687 00:37:08.889 --> 00:37:11.849 the island. I have no memory of falling. I'm much 688 00:37:11.909 --> 00:37:15.690 better now, no spots, no blurriness, just tired. I said, 689 00:37:15.710 --> 00:37:18.260 it's good that you're at least feeling somewhat better. She said, 690 00:37:19.820 --> 00:37:22.340 I worked out on Monday for crying out loud. I 691 00:37:22.400 --> 00:37:24.980 was fine until all of a sudden I wasn't. 692 00:37:26.019 --> 00:37:29.690 No diagnosis seemed to fit. Her symptoms came and went, 693 00:37:29.769 --> 00:37:34.650 and their severity fluctuated. It didn't make any sense. She 694 00:37:34.710 --> 00:37:38.329 hoped she would get better, but then, suddenly, she got worse. 695 00:37:39.369 --> 00:37:42.389 Wednesday, 6.23, did you get a nap? Did it help? Hi, 696 00:37:42.690 --> 00:37:45.590 she didn't respond, which is highly, as you can see, unusual. 697 00:37:46.590 --> 00:37:49.550 Wednesday at 6 something. Wednesday at 6.23, I said, did 698 00:37:49.570 --> 00:37:50.280 you get a nap? 699 00:37:50.320 --> 00:37:50.840 Did it help? 700 00:37:51.780 --> 00:37:54.099 Hi, sorry, yesterday was a rough headache and nausea day. 701 00:37:54.929 --> 00:37:58.639 So now this is Thursday? This is Thursday at 6.56 a.m. 702 00:37:59.780 --> 00:38:01.960 Yesterday was a rough headache and nausea day, and I 703 00:38:01.980 --> 00:38:05.579 took meds and went to bed as soon as someone 704 00:38:06.300 --> 00:38:09.460 big got home. I'm dizzy and tired, and my muscles 705 00:38:09.480 --> 00:38:11.780 don't want to work today, but I'm hoping that will 706 00:38:11.800 --> 00:38:14.510 go away. The headache seems to be gone. I'm drinking 707 00:38:14.530 --> 00:38:15.489 a protein drink and. 708 00:38:15.429 --> 00:38:16.670 Lots of liquids this morning. 709 00:38:17.730 --> 00:38:20.409 Angie would go back to the emergency room on Thursday, 710 00:38:21.030 --> 00:38:24.920 three days after her symptoms started. As hospital staff started 711 00:38:25.119 --> 00:38:30.300 administering tests, they uncovered another more troubling symptom. 712 00:38:31.239 --> 00:38:33.139 She goes, I will absolutely admit that my blood pressure 713 00:38:33.159 --> 00:38:36.019 has been lower than usual. But I wonder if it 714 00:38:36.099 --> 00:38:40.269 is something to do with how sedentary I've been. Just 715 00:38:40.389 --> 00:38:43.170 now it was 78 over 55. 716 00:38:43.170 --> 00:38:44.050 Super young nurse. 717 00:38:44.929 --> 00:38:49.869 I even hear her panicking as she relays the info 718 00:38:49.889 --> 00:38:50.730 to the other nurse. 719 00:38:51.829 --> 00:38:55.150 The hospital ended up admitting she Angie to observe her overnight. 720 00:38:56.050 --> 00:38:58.750 They thought it would be just one night, but she 721 00:38:58.789 --> 00:39:00.030 was still there through the weekend. 722 00:39:01.079 --> 00:39:01.460 Sunday. 723 00:39:02.460 --> 00:39:07.179 So he texts us at 1 0 8 AM. And 724 00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:10.579 it's just crashed tonight. That's how he started. I was 725 00:39:10.599 --> 00:39:12.449 sleeping by her in the hospital on a stool next 726 00:39:12.469 --> 00:39:14.230 to the bed. And suddenly a couple of nurses came 727 00:39:14.250 --> 00:39:16.889 into the room and said that our oxygen saturation was 728 00:39:16.909 --> 00:39:18.630 down in the fifties and they were trying to

revive 729 00:39:18.670 --> 00:39:22.019 her to get her awake and breathing. She was super lethargic, 730 00:39:22.099 --> 00:39:25.340 difficult to arouse. They were finally able to get her 731 00:39:25.380 --> 00:39:28.130 stabilized on oxygen, and they just came in and took 732 00:39:28.150 --> 00:39:29.969 a bunch of blood samples to see if she was okay. 733 00:39:30.730 --> 00:39:33.190 if there's an infection in her blood. And they are 734 00:39:33.269 --> 00:39:36.909 also going to check for troponins, troponin levels, which is 735 00:39:36.949 --> 00:39:39.179 something I think to do with her heart. The doctor 736 00:39:39.219 --> 00:39:42.420 has ordered an EEG this morning in case she's had 737 00:39:42.440 --> 00:39:46.179 a seizure. I didn't know anything was even wrong. It 738 00:39:46.199 --> 00:39:48.320 just seemed like she was snoring really loudly next to 739 00:39:48.380 --> 00:39:51.219 me in my inner bed. Anyway, she's stable now, and 740 00:39:51.260 --> 00:39:54.780 I hope this message doesn't wake anybody up. Just wanted 741 00:39:54.800 --> 00:39:55.610 you all to know. 742 00:39:56.409 --> 00:40:00.150 With yet another sudden symptom, family and friends were starting 743 00:40:00.170 --> 00:40:03.230 to get really scared. No one knew what was going 744 00:40:03.289 --> 00:40:06.849 on with Angie. All of a sudden, her oxygen levels 745 00:40:06.889 --> 00:40:11.320 were low. By Tuesday, her symptoms had improved, and she 746 00:40:11.360 --> 00:40:16.559 was discharged from the hospital, still with no diagnosis. She 747 00:40:16.599 --> 00:40:19.280 returned home with an oxygen tank and a blood pressure 748 00:40:19.380 --> 00:40:20.869 cuff But when I. 749 00:40:20.829 --> 00:40:23.130 Got home, I went in to greet her, and she 750 00:40:23.150 --> 00:40:25.050 was sacked out on the bed and looked super tired 751 00:40:25.090 --> 00:40:28.570 and pale. She's cold, and she asked me to put 752 00:40:28.690 --> 00:40:31.349 my hand on her back and tell her if she 753 00:40:31.369 --> 00:40:34.159 was shaking or not. She wasn't, but I guess she 754 00:40:34.199 --> 00:40:38.500 felt like she was. So she was having these internal tremors, 755 00:40:39.460 --> 00:40:42.539 and she felt like she was shaking outside, but you 756 00:40:42.579 --> 00:40:44.679 couldn't feel it, but she could feel it on the inside. 757 00:40:45.519 --> 00:40:49.230 All my research says that's central nervous system damage. And 758 00:40:49.309 --> 00:40:50.849 she said, and then she talked to me a little 759 00:40:50.889 --> 00:40:52.929 bit about the tremors. And I'm like, that's really weird. 760 00:40:52.969 --> 00:40:54.309 And she goes, I don't know what it is, but 761 00:40:54.329 --> 00:40:56.190 I'm hoping as I get better, it'll just go away. 762 00:40:56.710 --> 00:41:00.929 And then Jim says, hey, Ange, here, take your clindamycin. 763 00:41:02.280 --> 00:41:06.960 And I said, why is she on clindamycin? And he's like, oh, 764 00:41:07.019

--> 00:41:08.480 it's for her sinus infection. 765 00:41:09.260 --> 00:41:12.780 Angie made it through the night. But by the next morning, Wednesday, 766 00:41:12.880 --> 00:41:17.199 March 15th, nine days after her illness started, she went 767 00:41:17.239 --> 00:41:20.860 back to the hospital. She was really dizzy and had 768 00:41:20.920 --> 00:41:25.440 trouble standing, in addition to her other symptoms. Jim was 769 00:41:25.480 --> 00:41:29.119 at work, so Angie's brother took her. Jim would arrive 770 00:41:29.159 --> 00:41:32.800 later and relay information to the rest of the family. 771 00:41:33.480 --> 00:41:39.809 How are things? Super lethargic. Stats? He sent me a picture. 772 00:41:39.889 --> 00:41:43.030 He said, BP is low. Well, clearly I can see that. 773 00:41:43.210 --> 00:41:44.909 I know how to read it. And I said, I 774 00:41:44.989 --> 00:41:48.289 see that. You're probably like, you guys are so snotty. 775 00:41:48.329 --> 00:41:48.469 Yeah. 776 00:41:49.179 --> 00:41:51.780 I said, I see that. What's the plan? Did she 777 00:41:51.820 --> 00:41:54.920 take anything different yesterday when she got home than she 778 00:41:54.940 --> 00:41:59.219 has been taking? He said, clindamycin for sinus infection. They 779 00:41:59.250 --> 00:42:02.969 don't think that had anything to do with it. And 780 00:42:03.010 --> 00:42:05.269 I said, what are they saying? A bunch of nothing. 781 00:42:05.909 --> 00:42:09.289 They want physical therapy to evaluate her. They tried, but 782 00:42:09.329 --> 00:42:12.690 she was too ataxic. They want to keep her overnight 783 00:42:12.730 --> 00:42:16.489 and try again tomorrow. The next thing I get, he says, 784 00:42:16.670 --> 00:42:21.340 hang on, crash. And I'm panicked. I'm five minutes from 785 00:42:21.380 --> 00:42:22.400 my oldest sister's house. 786 00:42:22.840 --> 00:42:23.420 I'm driving. 787 00:42:23.480 --> 00:42:25.960 I'm thinking, oh, my gosh, I'm going to die trying 788 00:42:25.980 --> 00:42:28.639 to get there because I'm shaking profusely. I said, what 789 00:42:28.699 --> 00:42:31.519 crashed him? Are they able to bring her back? I 790 00:42:31.559 --> 00:42:33.840 don't know what's going on. They think seizure. Are they looking? 791 00:42:33.880 --> 00:42:36.780 Are they still working on her? Lots. Intubating her. Why? 792 00:42:36.960 --> 00:42:39.239 Now I know it's really bad because they're intubating her. 793 00:42:40.019 --> 00:42:42.960 Can't get the tube in. Emergency anesthesia team is paged. 794 00:42:43.099 --> 00:42:43.340 What? 795 00:42:43.519 --> 00:42:43.880 Why? 796 00:42:44.119 --> 00:42:48.179 She's not maintaining her airway, bagging her. Cannot get the 797 00:42:48.219 --> 00:42:51.329 breathing tube in. What does the anesthesia team do? Get 798 00:42:51.369 --> 00:42:53.469 the tube in. Are they there yet? I mean, I'm 799 00:42:53.489 --> 00:42:57.630 just panicking. He's like chest x-ray to make sure the 800 00:42:57.650 --> 00:43:00.449 tube is in. There's 16 people in the room. BP 801 00:43:00.489 --> 00:43:00.849 is low. 802 00:43:00.949 --> 00:43:01.380 How low? 803 00:43:01.449 --> 00:43:04.800 Systolic, 60s. I'm assuming they're not saying much. Is Mark back? 804 00:43:04.860 --> 00:43:05.320 No, no. 805 00:43:05.340 --> 00:43:08.659 Another picture. What are they doing? I don't know. Talking 806 00:43:08.699 --> 00:43:11.300 frantically a lot. The doctor stepped out to talk to 807 00:43:11.340 --> 00:43:12.659 me and they called her back in. 57 over 45. 808 00:43:12.639 --> 00:43:13.079 Anything? No news. 809 00:43:15.500 --> 00:43:17.139 She came out and said she heard me say the 810 00:43:17.159 --> 00:43:19.780 word stable. She said she is not stable. She used 811 00:43:19.800 --> 00:43:23.639 the word tenuous and said she's very, very worried and 812 00:43:23.760 --> 00:43:25.579 should be responding by now, but she's not. 813 00:43:26.920 --> 00:43:30.179 Angie took a turn for the worse, and it wasn't 814 00:43:30.199 --> 00:43:34.789 looking good at all. Doctors seemed to be really worried 815 00:43:34.829 --> 00:43:39.070 about her brain. The news spread through family and friends. 816 00:43:40.050 --> 00:43:43.289 There was a rush to get to the hospital. Ryan 817 00:43:43.329 --> 00:43:46.760 Redferne Jim's boss and friend from dental school canceled the 818 00:43:46.800 --> 00:43:49.820 rest of his appointments that day and went to support Jim. 819 00:43:50.559 --> 00:43:54.340 But as I'm pulling into the campus, Jackie, our director 820 00:43:54.380 --> 00:43:59.949 of operations, calls. And she says, Dr. Ryan, I have 821 00:44:00.670 --> 00:44:02.809 Caitlin on the phone as well. I just wanted to 822 00:44:02.849 --> 00:44:06.369 let you know. Caitlin, can you tell Dr. Ryan what 823 00:44:06.409 --> 00:44:10.769 happened on Monday? And Caitlin is the office manager for 824 00:44:10.829 --> 00:44:16.809 Summerbrook Dental for Jim's practice. She said that two Mondays ago, 825 00:44:17.510 --> 00:44:20.880 so the first Monday, the March 6th date when Angie 826 00:44:21.280 --> 00:44:24.559 initially got sick, so Dr. Jim had to leave the 827 00:44:24.679 --> 00:44:29.599 office early, really early in the day, obviously, to go 828 00:44:30.079 --> 00:44:31.579 get his wife and take her to the hospital for 829 00:44:31.599 --> 00:44:34.800 the first time. And Jim came back to the office 830 00:44:36.360 --> 00:44:39.940 after being with his wife all day at the hospital, 831 00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:42.360 and she's getting admitted. He came back at some point, 832 00:44:42.900 --> 00:44:47.860 He was on a computer in one of the operatories 833 00:44:48.280 --> 00:44:50.239 in the dark, which she thought was weird because he's 834 00:44:50.260 --> 00:44:52.300 got an office. Why wasn't he on his office computer? 835 00:44:53.300 --> 00:44:54.590 And she walked by and said, hey, is there anything 836 00:44:54.610 --> 00:44:55.269 I can do for you? 837 00:44:56.409 -->

00:44:58.090 And he said no. 838 00:44:58.510 --> 00:45:03.349 And then after she left, like 30 minutes after she left, 839 00:45:03.389 --> 00:45:05.300 she said that she got this text message that said, 840 00:45:05.900 --> 00:45:07.539 There's a package that's going to come. 841 00:45:07.780 --> 00:45:09.150 It's personal. Don't open it. 842 00:45:09.159 --> 00:45:12.679 The package didn't come. It came on Monday, this Monday, 843 00:45:12.880 --> 00:45:18.949 two days ago. And Katie, one of the other front 844 00:45:18.989 --> 00:45:23.349 desk gals at the office, started to accidentally open the package. 845 00:45:24.630 --> 00:45:29.409 And soon, as she was opening it, Caitlin realized that 846 00:45:29.469 --> 00:45:31.389 that was the package that Dr. 847 00:45:31.889 --> 00:45:32.909 Craig had said, don't open. 848 00:45:33.510 --> 00:45:37.210 Caitlin said that she did look inside And what she saw, 849 00:45:37.510 --> 00:45:39.650 whatever it was, was labeled potassium cyanide. 850 00:45:40.510 --> 00:45:47.380 Potassium cyanide is highly toxic and is not used for dentistry. 851 00:45:48.400 --> 00:45:51.420 It prevents the body from properly using oxygen, which can 852 00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:56.920 cause confusion, seizures, loss of consciousness, coma, and even death. 853 00:45:57.980 --> 00:46:00.559 Ryan knew this as he arrived at the hospital. 854 00:46:01.360 --> 00:46:02.590 Jim's actually outside and. 855 00:46:04.210 --> 00:46:06.739 We hug and he cries and we both cry and 856 00:46:07.469 --> 00:46:08.119 we go upstairs. 857 00:46:08.960 --> 00:46:11.400 Jim gets a phone call from one of the doctors. 858 00:46:11.420 --> 00:46:12.500 I don't know which doctor. 859 00:46:13.500 --> 00:46:15.679 And as Jim was on the phone looking out the window, 860 00:46:15.699 --> 00:46:21.039 I followed the nurse and gave him what I just learned. 861 00:46:21.820 --> 00:46:26.590 Once the nurse heard about Ryan's suspicions, hospital staff immediately 862 00:46:26.650 --> 00:46:31.130 contacted the forensic nurse. They tried to give Angie the antidote, 863 00:46:31.190 --> 00:46:33.389 but the damage was already done. 864 00:46:34.269 --> 00:46:37.650 And so when the doctors came, I was just like, 865 00:46:37.929 --> 00:46:38.710 here comes a whole. 866 00:46:38.570 --> 00:46:39.210 Slew of doctors. 867 00:46:39.230 --> 00:46:41.349 There was like five of them. I was like, this 868 00:46:41.369 --> 00:46:43.460 is not good. And I knew that was going to 869 00:46:43.480 --> 00:46:43.880 be bad news. 870 00:46:43.940 --> 00:46:46.019 And as soon as the door opened, after, you know, 871 00:46:46.019 --> 00:46:49.559 10 minutes, Jim came out and was just bawling. And 872 00:46:49.599 --> 00:46:51.300 they basically told him that she's not going. 873 00:46:51.199 --> 00:46:51.500 To make it. 874 00:46:52.280 --> 00:46:57.429 The forensic nurse, a mandatory reporter, called 911. 875 00:46:57.429 --> 00:46:58.179 911. 876 00:46:58.179 --> 00:47:04.400 We have a suspected cyanide, potassium cyanide poisoning. He does 877 00:47:04.440 --> 00:47:06.030 not know we're calling you guys either. 878 00:47:06.050 --> 00:47:06.119 Okay. 879 00:47:08.800 --> 00:47:12.940 Cause a lot of issues because he's wanting, my understanding is. 880 00:47:12.900 --> 00:47:15.679 To withdraw care on her pretty quickly. 881 00:47:15.949 --> 00:47:18.250 And so we're trying to, you know, get you guys 882 00:47:18.309 --> 00:47:21.409 involved in trying to figure out medical decision and all that. 883 00:47:21.969 --> 00:47:23.650 His name is Jim. 884 00:47:23.789 --> 00:47:26.349 J-I-M, last name Craig, C-R-A-I-G. 885 00:47:27.289 --> 00:47:29.320 So he's urgently trying to withdraw care. 886 00:47:29.340 --> 00:47:32.380 Yes, he's trying not to delay it. 887 00:47:33.239 --> 00:47:37.889 Angie was brain dead and unlikely to survive without the 888 00:47:37.929 --> 00:47:42.030 machines keeping her breathing. While Jim cried and grieved with 889 00:47:42.070 --> 00:47:47.230 his family, Ryan left. A short time later, Jim called him. 890 00:47:48.010 --> 00:47:51.429 He says, Ryan, I got some disturbing news. And I said, 891 00:47:51.449 --> 00:47:58.480 he said, did you say something to somebody? And I said, yeah, 892 00:47:59.840 --> 00:48:02.739 I did. And I told him exactly what I said 893 00:48:02.780 --> 00:48:06.280 to the nurse. And I said, Jim, what was in 894 00:48:06.300 --> 00:48:08.840 the package? I said, did you order a package? 895 00:48:09.500 --> 00:48:11.070 He said, kind of pause. 896 00:48:11.119 --> 00:48:13.869 And he said, yeah, I did. I said, what was 897 00:48:13.889 --> 00:48:16.269 in the package? He goes, oh, it was a ring for, 898 00:48:16.630 --> 00:48:18.070 it was a ring for Angie. It was going to 899 00:48:18.090 --> 00:48:22.090 be a surprise. And I said, Jim, that's not what 900 00:48:22.110 --> 00:48:26.570 was in the package. And he goes, what do you mean? 901 00:48:26.789 --> 00:48:30.820 And I was like, the Patrick package was opened. And 902 00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:32.360 he's like, no, it wasn't. 903 00:48:32.619 --> 00:48:33.940 I said, yes, it was Jim. 904 00:48:34.739 --> 00:48:38.860 Jim, I know what's in the package. And he wouldn't 905 00:48:38.900 --> 00:48:42.099 admit to what was in the package. And I said, Jim, 906 00:48:42.860 --> 00:48:44.909 potassium cyanide was in the package. Why do you have 907 00:48:44.949 --> 00:48:50.329 potassium cyanide? I said, why do you need potassium cyanide? 908 00:48:51.449 --> 00:48:56.909 And he said, he's like, there's. 909 00:48:55.460 --> 00:48:58.320 A lot of pauses with deep breaths. 910 00:49:00.000 --> 00:49:07.949 And he said, He goes, I ordered it for her. 911 00:49:10.849 --> 00:49:14.630 And he basically said that he had ordered the potassium 912 00:49:14.670 --> 00:49:17.469 cyanide at her request. I said, why did you order 913 00:49:17.510 --> 00:49:19.650 potassium cyanide? It's like if she wanted to kill

herself. 914 00:49:19.820 --> 00:49:23.610 and commit suicide, then why didn't you let her do 915 00:49:23.650 --> 00:49:26.170 it her way? Why did you guys just get a 916 00:49:26.190 --> 00:49:28.789 divorce if it was that bad? You know, I'm asking 917 00:49:28.809 --> 00:49:31.110 these questions and he doesn't have any really any answers. 918 00:49:31.530 --> 00:49:33.380 He said, I bought it. I didn't think she would. 919 00:49:33.389 --> 00:49:37.380 I actually didn't think she would use it. He starts 920 00:49:37.760 --> 00:49:39.300 saying things like, Ryan, what have you done? 921 00:49:40.510 --> 00:49:41.409 Ryan, what have you done? 922 00:49:41.429 --> 00:49:44.869 Yeah, Ryan, what have you done? And then he starts 923 00:49:44.889 --> 00:49:46.849 saying things like, this is going to come back on me. 924 00:49:46.869 --> 00:49:48.239 They're going to think I did this. 925 00:49:49.800 --> 00:49:53.840 This looks bad. I said, Jim. I said, yeah, it does. 926 00:49:53.860 --> 00:49:56.800 I said, I think you should stop talking to me. 927 00:49:57.480 --> 00:49:58.659 I said, I think you need a lawyer. 928 00:49:59.570 --> 00:50:02.030 Jim would return home later that night to find it 929 00:50:02.170 --> 00:50:08.030 surrounded by police. Detectives believed they understood what Jim did 930 00:50:08.090 --> 00:50:12.389 to Angie. In time, they would build a theory for why. 931 00:50:13.449 --> 00:50:16.190 But what they could never have known was how far 932 00:50:16.349 --> 00:50:41.170 Jim would go to keep them from proving it. Jim 933 00:50:41.269 --> 00:50:45.309 Craig was arrested for the poisoning of his wife, Angie. 934 00:50:46.179 --> 00:50:50.219 To most who knew the Craigs, it was unbelievable. To 935 00:50:50.260 --> 00:50:52.179 his kids, it was unfathomable. 936 00:50:52.940 --> 00:50:56.500 She tried really hard to protect him. Her oldest boy 937 00:50:57.059 --> 00:51:02.739 might know like this much. And you can tell by 938 00:51:02.780 --> 00:51:06.679 the way they're reacting to what's happening. They can't believe, 939 00:51:07.239 --> 00:51:10.300 they don't believe that he would do that. Their statements 940 00:51:10.539 --> 00:51:14.219 are He loved my mom so much. He would never 941 00:51:14.340 --> 00:51:18.079 do this. They have it all wrong. Someone else must 942 00:51:18.119 --> 00:51:18.699 have done it. 943 00:51:19.780 --> 00:51:23.039 And when Jen said Angie killed herself, his kids couldn't 944 00:51:23.059 --> 00:51:23.929 make any sense of it. 945 00:51:24.559 --> 00:51:27.440 So when she asked me that, it was maybe somebody 946 00:51:27.519 --> 00:51:30.960 else did it. What was the poison? And I had 947 00:51:30.980 --> 00:51:33.559 decided that if the older kids asked me point blank, 948 00:51:33.619 --> 00:51:35.079 if they asked me a straight up question, I was 949 00:51:35.099 --> 00:51:37.599 going to answer it straight up. So I asked her, 950 00:51:37.639 --> 00:51:40.699 I said, do you really want to know? And she said, no. 951 00:51:41.460 --> 00:51:44.119 And I said, it was cyanide. And she looked at 952 00:51:44.139 --> 00:51:47.039 me and she said, what is cyanide used for? I said, 953 00:51:47.119 --> 00:51:51.800 nothing medical. It's plastics, metal. You have to have a 954 00:51:51.820 --> 00:51:54.900 specific license. You can't just have it. But how would 955 00:51:54.920 --> 00:52:00.639 he get it? I said, he ordered it and had 956 00:52:00.679 --> 00:52:01.639 it sent to his office. 957 00:52:02.780 --> 00:52:04.980 But why would he do that? What if someone's setting 958 00:52:05.000 --> 00:52:07.179 him up? What if someone sent it to his office 959 00:52:07.260 --> 00:52:09.550 and it wasn't him? And what if someone else gave 960 00:52:09.570 --> 00:52:11.679 it to my mom? And I said, tell me who 961 00:52:12.840 --> 00:52:15.550 you tell me who and I'm all over it. 962 00:52:16.320 --> 00:52:16.510 Yeah. 963 00:52:16.639 --> 00:52:18.360 And she's like, but my dad wouldn't have done. And 964 00:52:18.389 --> 00:52:20.469 then she asked about the suicide. And I said, Mira, 965 00:52:20.489 --> 00:52:24.530 if your mom was going to commit suicide, she wouldn't 966 00:52:24.570 --> 00:52:28.889 take something slowly to put herself in absolute pain and 967 00:52:29.110 --> 00:52:32.090 fear for 10 days. That's not how people that are 968 00:52:32.110 --> 00:52:35.110 going to commit suicide do that. And she's like, but 969 00:52:35.150 --> 00:52:37.650 my dad wouldn't do that to her. He wouldn't do that. 970 00:52:38.840 --> 00:52:42.030 And it's hard. Because I know why they feel that way. 971 00:52:42.889 --> 00:52:46.599 Because the morning my sisters called me, I felt that way. 972 00:52:46.619 --> 00:52:50.400 I thought, there's no way. And then I started to 973 00:52:50.440 --> 00:52:54.539 think about it all. I have never broke down. I just, 974 00:52:54.599 --> 00:52:56.050 this case, I feel so bad. 975 00:52:57.369 --> 00:52:58.130 It is tragic. 976 00:52:58.230 --> 00:52:59.269 I hate this case. 977 00:53:00.090 --> 00:53:04.670 The whole case was so tragic and unbearable that even 978 00:53:04.710 --> 00:53:08.869 the detectives struggled to get through the conversations. And Angie's 979 00:53:08.909 --> 00:53:11.469 kids were left trying to understand how any of it 980 00:53:11.550 --> 00:53:15.349 could be true. The autopsy found that Angie's cause of 981 00:53:15.389 --> 00:53:21.179 death was acute cyanide and tetrahydrozoline poisoning, with subacute arsenic 982 00:53:21.239 --> 00:53:26.340 poisoning as a significant contributing condition. Jim's search history suggested 983 00:53:26.360 --> 00:53:30.619 that he thought about this long and hard. It suggested 984 00:53:30.840 --> 00:53:34.719 he planned it. Like a rube, this guy's search history 985 00:53:34.760 --> 00:53:39.420 included things like How many grams of pure arsenic will 986 00:53:39.500 --> 00:53:44.320 kill a human? Is arsenic detectable

in an autopsy? And 987 00:53:45.340 --> 00:53:48.679 how to make murder look like a heart attack? What 988 00:53:48.719 --> 00:53:53.489 an amateur. He also watched videos about deadly poisons and 989 00:53:53.570 --> 00:53:57.389 substances that could kill without obvious signs of foul play. 990 00:53:58.449 --> 00:54:01.769 It's incredible to me that in 2026, a grown-ass adult 991 00:54:02.550 --> 00:54:09.769 doesn't know the very basics of information technology. There's a record, people, 992 00:54:10.829 --> 00:54:15.469 and you can't delete it. It's called the internet. It's 993 00:54:15.510 --> 00:54:20.250 called the cloud. It's a glorious digital cage, and we're 994 00:54:20.369 --> 00:54:24.510 already in it. You get it? Detectives also found that 995 00:54:24.610 --> 00:54:31.380 Jim created a new email address, jimandwaffles at gmail.com. He 996 00:54:31.409 --> 00:54:36.579 attached this newly created Amazon account with his seeking.com account. 997 00:54:37.619 --> 00:54:44.969 With a new Amazon account, he ordered 99.9999% pure crystalline arsenic, 998 00:54:45.869 --> 00:54:49.989 another highly toxic substance. It was delivered on March 4th, 999 00:54:50.050 --> 00:54:54.610 two days before Angie became ill. Speaking of the cloud, 1000 00:54:54.690 --> 00:54:59.239 that Amazon, man. That's a real convenient service, you know? 1001 00:55:00.239 --> 00:55:02.480 I use it all the time. Not for this, though. 1002 00:55:03.440 --> 00:55:07.679 His Seeking.com account included a tagline, by the way. explaining 1003 00:55:07.719 --> 00:55:11.949 the name Jim and Waffles. It's because they're both nice 1004 00:55:12.340 --> 00:55:15.909 to wake up to, he said. You can stop gagging now. 1005 00:55:16.829 --> 00:55:20.670 Evidence also showed he ordered oleander. It's almost like he 1006 00:55:20.690 --> 00:55:24.590 was checking off every box. The oleander plant is a 1007 00:55:24.739 --> 00:55:28.360 poisonous shrub, but it had not yet been delivered, so 1008 00:55:29.179 --> 00:55:32.199 he didn't get around to using that, too. And of course, 1009 00:55:32.579 --> 00:55:36.889 there was the potassium cyanide order and delivery. which outed 1010 00:55:36.909 --> 00:55:39.650 him in the first place. It was delivered just two 1011 00:55:39.670 --> 00:55:44.420 days before she was declared brain dead. Investigators looked for 1012 00:55:44.519 --> 00:55:50.000 evidence that James had purchased a product containing tetrahydrozoline, and 1013 00:55:50.500 --> 00:55:53.380 they found it. They found it. It's pretty easy, actually. 1014 00:55:53.400 --> 00:55:59.119 It's right there in the history. Digital fingerprints have proven 1015 00:55:59.159 --> 00:56:03.510 to be much more useful than actual fingerprints, in case 1016 00:56:03.530 --> 00:56:08.670 you haven't noticed. Over two days, Wednesday, March 8th, and Thursday, 1017 00:56:08.849 --> 00:56:12.469 March 9th, the day Angie was hospitalized the first time, 1018 00:56:12.909 --> 00:56:17.480 he bought 19 bottles of Vizine. You see, the active 1019 00:56:17.519 --> 00:56:21.539 ingredient in Vizine, the chemical that takes the red out 1020 00:56:21.559 --> 00:56:26.090 of your eyes, is highly toxic if you ingest it. 1021 00:56:27.030 --> 00:56:29.409 And it'll give you the shits, boy, I'll tell you that. 1022 00:56:29.449 --> 00:56:33.710 But don't try it. It will kill you. To prosecutors... 1023 00:56:33.980 --> 00:56:38.019 The combination of poisons helped explain the way Angie's symptoms 1024 00:56:38.139 --> 00:56:42.590 changed over time. They believe Jim first poisoned her protein 1025 00:56:42.630 --> 00:56:46.989 shake with arsenic on March 6th. She became sick and 1026 00:56:47.090 --> 00:56:50.690 almost immediately went to the hospital and was sent home 1027 00:56:50.710 --> 00:56:55.849 without a diagnosis. Over the next few days, investigators believe 1028 00:56:56.389 --> 00:57:01.329 tetrahydrozoline was also introduced, which helped explain some of her 1029 00:57:01.409 --> 00:57:05.829 shifting symptoms. Her condition worsened until she was admitted to 1030 00:57:05.869 --> 00:57:11.429 the hospital, where she gradually improved. Then, the cyanide arrived 1031 00:57:11.489 --> 00:57:16.750 on March 13th. Angie was discharged the next day, and 1032 00:57:16.929 --> 00:57:20.559 within 24 hours, she was back at the hospital in 1033 00:57:20.619 --> 00:57:25.139 even worse condition. Then, there was the surveillance footage from 1034 00:57:25.159 --> 00:57:28.619 the hospital. It showed Jim entering the frame with what 1035 00:57:28.639 --> 00:57:32.579 appeared to be a syringe concealed in his hand. It 1036 00:57:32.619 --> 00:57:36.170 showed him entering Angie's room and seconds later come out 1037 00:57:36.190 --> 00:57:39.750 to tell the nurse Angie was complaining about arm pain. 1038 00:57:40.750 --> 00:57:46.550 She coded within seconds after that. That syringe was never found. 1039 00:57:47.570 --> 00:57:51.809 Then there was his ongoing affair. He met an orthodontist 1040 00:57:51.889 --> 00:57:54.889 from Texas at a convention and had been seeing her 1041 00:57:55.030 --> 00:58:00.079 for weeks. How boringly predictable. It wasn't evidence that he 1042 00:58:00.159 --> 00:58:06.090 poisoned Angie, but The timing was suspicious. He had, after all, 1043 00:58:06.150 --> 00:58:09.469 arranged for her to come to Colorado. And she arrived 1044 00:58:09.530 --> 00:58:12.349 while Angie was on life support. 1045 00:58:13.130 --> 00:58:20.920 He at no point seemed stressed or anxious or... I mean, really, 1046 00:58:20.960 --> 00:58:22.380 I had to drag it out. I'm like, are you 1047 00:58:22.420 --> 00:58:26.559 sure you're okay? Because he seemed okay. We met on 1048 00:58:26.619 --> 00:58:29.090 a Thursday and then went home on Saturday. So we 1049 00:58:29.179 --> 00:58:32.800 spent this Thursday evening getting to know each other. And 1050 00:58:32.820 --> 00:58:35.289 then we texted until like, you

know, 4 a.m. 1051 00:58:35.329 --> 00:58:35.789 That night. 1052 00:58:35.869 --> 00:58:38.730 Then the next day we, you know, spent pretty much 1053 00:58:38.909 --> 00:58:42.510 the day together. He told me they hadn't been living together. 1054 00:58:42.530 --> 00:58:46.610 He had an apartment. If I had known what was true, 1055 00:58:46.630 --> 00:58:50.119 I would not have been with this person. 1056 00:58:50.900 --> 00:58:54.920 They were in constant communication after they met. But they 1057 00:58:54.940 --> 00:58:57.219 had only known each other for three weeks. 1058 00:58:58.159 --> 00:59:01.840 There's no way I motive. There's been no planning a 1059 00:59:01.900 --> 00:59:03.340 future together. 1060 00:59:03.360 --> 00:59:08.610 The evidence seemed overwhelming, but there was still something prosecutors 1061 00:59:08.849 --> 00:59:13.559 could not show the jurors. No camera, witness, or physical 1062 00:59:13.659 --> 00:59:18.780 evidence captured James actually putting poison into something Angie consumed. 1063 00:59:19.559 --> 00:59:23.070 But before they could go to trial to argue their case, 1064 00:59:24.250 --> 00:59:26.369 Jim had other plans. 1065 00:59:27.260 --> 00:59:30.179 The second daughter told a completely different story about a 1066 00:59:30.260 --> 00:59:33.539 different episode. She described getting a phone call from the 1067 00:59:33.599 --> 00:59:36.400 jail from her father, who asked her to come down 1068 00:59:36.500 --> 00:59:39.539 and bail another inmate out. He told her the inmate 1069 00:59:39.579 --> 00:59:42.340 was a cousin of hers. She didn't know this person, 1070 00:59:42.360 --> 00:59:44.099 but she has a big family, and so she said 1071 00:59:44.119 --> 00:59:47.139 it was believable. She bailed this man out, and he 1072 00:59:47.219 --> 00:59:50.539 handed her a letter from her father. It asked her 1073 00:59:50.579 --> 00:59:54.159 to buy a burner laptop, and create a deep fake 1074 00:59:54.400 --> 00:59:58.679 video that would show her now dead mother saying that 1075 00:59:58.840 --> 01:00:02.309 she got James Craig to order these poisons and that 1076 01:00:02.349 --> 01:00:06.210 she took them herself. He described how she should use 1077 01:00:06.449 --> 01:00:08.869 the dark web to make this happen, how she should 1078 01:00:08.909 --> 01:00:12.329 destroy the laptop afterwards. Instead of doing any of that, 1079 01:00:12.690 --> 01:00:15.429 that second daughter took the letter to police. 1080 01:00:15.800 --> 01:00:18.760 Craig wanted police to find letters at his house that 1081 01:00:18.800 --> 01:00:22.789 suggested his wife, Angela, was suicidal and found out about 1082 01:00:22.809 --> 01:00:23.269 an affair. 1083 01:00:23.530 --> 01:00:26.650 Police say that James Craig tried to persuade a former 1084 01:00:26.769 --> 01:00:30.699 inmate to help him find women who would give false testimony. 1085 01:00:30.199 --> 01:00:31.000 At his murder trial. 1086 01:00:31.380 --> 01:00:34.099 She said Craig wrote a letter to a former jailmate 1087 01:00:34.139 --> 01:00:37.750 in April asking him to find one or two attractive women, 1088 01:00:38.130 --> 01:00:40.250 people who would be willing to lie to the district 1089 01:00:40.289 --> 01:00:41.769 attorney and his attorneys. 1090 01:00:42.130 --> 01:00:45.750 The prosecution also called another former inmate who testified Craig 1091 01:00:45.809 --> 01:00:48.250 wanted him to find someone to kill the detective in 1092 01:00:48.289 --> 01:00:51.010 the case and to get pictures of a deputy's son. 1093 01:00:51.730 --> 01:00:55.519 Jim would eventually face five additional charges for his actions 1094 01:00:55.619 --> 01:00:59.880 behind bars. Two counts of solicitation to commit tampering with 1095 01:00:59.960 --> 01:01:04.920 physical evidence. two counts of solicitation to commit first-degree perjury, 1096 01:01:05.920 --> 01:01:11.389 and one count of solicitation to commit first-degree murder. And 1097 01:01:11.429 --> 01:01:15.289 those alleged efforts did not come out of nowhere. Even 1098 01:01:15.309 --> 01:01:19.050 before his arrest, Jim had been hinting that Angie might 1099 01:01:19.070 --> 01:01:21.889 have taken her own life. He had written out a 1100 01:01:21.929 --> 01:01:26.570 detailed timeline, asked about toxicology, and suggested he had answers 1101 01:01:26.989 --> 01:01:30.829 that would eventually explain everything. Prosecutors would later argue that 1102 01:01:31.070 --> 01:01:34.639 some of what he did from jail was aimed at 1103 01:01:34.719 --> 01:01:40.119 making the suicide story look real. As those allegations piled up, 1104 01:01:40.320 --> 01:01:45.690 several attorneys requested removal as counsel. The repeated changes delayed 1105 01:01:45.869 --> 01:01:49.949 the case. But eventually the trial did begin. 1106 01:01:49.969 --> 01:02:02.659 This case is really about broken people. broken marriage, broken perceptions, 1107 01:02:04.519 --> 01:02:08.949 broken investigation. You may not like him. 1108 01:02:09.610 --> 01:02:12.849 You may not think he's a good husband, but that's 1109 01:02:12.869 --> 01:02:15.710 not what you're here to decide. This case from the 1110 01:02:15.769 --> 01:02:18.570 very beginning started with blinders. 1111 01:02:20.090 --> 01:02:21.809 So as a defense, we're going to ask. 1112 01:02:21.690 --> 01:02:26.179 You to remove the blinders from this case and to 1113 01:02:26.219 --> 01:02:30.199 look at everything. It was over for law enforcement, right? 1114 01:02:30.619 --> 01:02:31.639 They had tunnel vision. 1115 01:02:33.880 --> 01:02:36.599 It was all about the husband, Dr. Craig, who worked 1116 01:02:36.639 --> 01:02:38.900 at the dentist's office where cyanide was delivered. 1117 01:02:39.119 --> 01:02:41.659 Cheated on his wife constantly. 1118 01:02:44.969 --> 01:02:45.510 They did. 1119 01:02:45.530 --> 01:02:49.630 They proved beyond a reasonable doubt that he was not faithful. 1120 01:02:51.269

--> 01:02:52.650 That they proved. 1121 01:02:54.329 --> 01:02:59.309 But this idea that somehow this was some sort of motive. 1122 01:03:02.670 --> 01:03:04.150 Was nothing new. 1123 01:03:04.809 --> 01:03:07.510 She's just like all the rest of the women. 1124 01:03:07.909 --> 01:03:12.980 That cheating, that wanting her husband to be better, it 1125 01:03:13.059 --> 01:03:13.519 broke her. 1126 01:03:14.460 --> 01:03:17.460 The defense argued that the investigation had focused on Jim 1127 01:03:17.619 --> 01:03:22.480 so much that they never considered any other possibility. Like 1128 01:03:22.579 --> 01:03:24.050 Angie being suicidal. 1129 01:03:24.500 --> 01:03:25.000 For example. 1130 01:03:26.039 --> 01:03:29.119 Instead, they thought Jim's affairs were not a motive for 1131 01:03:29.139 --> 01:03:32.400 him to kill his wife, but an emotional weight on 1132 01:03:32.519 --> 01:03:37.199 Angie that finally broke her. The prosecution didn't need to 1133 01:03:37.260 --> 01:03:41.800 prove a motive, but Jim had them all. Of course, 1134 01:03:42.199 --> 01:03:46.190 he was in dire financial straits, and Angie did have 1135 01:03:46.269 --> 01:03:50.469 life insurance. Of course, he was having an affair and 1136 01:03:50.690 --> 01:03:54.789 was dissatisfied with his marriage. But why not just Divorce her? 1137 01:03:55.150 --> 01:03:59.139 Why spend days slowly poisoning her to death? Jim wanted 1138 01:03:59.159 --> 01:04:01.460 the marriage to end, but he didn't want to be 1139 01:04:01.519 --> 01:04:04.739 the one to end it. He wanted Angie to divorce 1140 01:04:04.820 --> 01:04:07.460 him so that he could maintain some semblance of the 1141 01:04:07.500 --> 01:04:10.179 life he had. He didn't want to be viewed as 1142 01:04:10.300 --> 01:04:13.960 a bad husband or bad father. The optics of it, 1143 01:04:14.469 --> 01:04:18.590 you know? So why not just kill instead? He didn't 1144 01:04:18.610 --> 01:04:21.090 want to expose his financial problems or his affairs. He 1145 01:04:21.130 --> 01:04:24.289 didn't want his family, his friends, his colleagues... to view 1146 01:04:24.329 --> 01:04:27.679 him differently. He didn't want to lose his standing in 1147 01:04:27.699 --> 01:04:30.880 the church. There's so many people that are so focused 1148 01:04:30.940 --> 01:04:33.360 on the optics of something that they never look at 1149 01:04:33.400 --> 01:04:38.679 their own fucking actions objectively. It happens to everybody, I guess, 1150 01:04:38.940 --> 01:04:42.440 to some extent. But boy, is it apparent these days. 1151 01:04:43.519 --> 01:04:48.010 The defense would rest, calling no witnesses. The jury would 1152 01:04:48.030 --> 01:04:52.269 deliberate for eight hours over two days before returning with 1153 01:04:52.309 --> 01:04:57.760 a verdict. Jim was guilty on all charges. At his sentencing, 1154 01:04:58.179 --> 01:05:01.639 his eldest daughter delivered her impact statement. 1155 01:05:02.469 --> 01:05:03.110 I was the. 1156 01:05:03.070 --> 01:05:08.570 Second child of my mom and dad, her oldest daughter, 1157 01:05:08.690 --> 01:05:12.170 and although I may not have been hers, she was 1158 01:05:12.210 --> 01:05:12.969 my best friend. 1159 01:05:15.929 --> 01:05:17.489 A lot of people keep telling. 1160 01:05:17.210 --> 01:05:21.860 Me that my mom is here with me, but I 1161 01:05:21.980 --> 01:05:25.780 hope more than anything that she's not. I hope she's 1162 01:05:25.800 --> 01:05:30.260 worked so much better. I was supposed to be able 1163 01:05:30.320 --> 01:05:35.420 to plan my sister's weddings with my mom, even though there. 1164 01:05:35.320 --> 01:05:36.940 Was nothing in the world I wanted to do less 1165 01:05:37.260 --> 01:05:39.219 than plan weddings. 1166 01:05:40.440 --> 01:05:42.139 I was supposed to be able to share with her 1167 01:05:42.159 --> 01:05:48.829 the stories, the things happening in my life, and The 1168 01:05:48.889 --> 01:05:56.070 projects that I started, it never finished. I was supposed 1169 01:05:56.110 --> 01:06:01.070 to be able to trust my dad. He was supposed 1170 01:06:01.090 --> 01:06:04.409 to be my hero, and instead he'll forever be the 1171 01:06:04.449 --> 01:06:05.289 villain in my book. 1172 01:06:07.320 --> 01:06:10.960 And it hurts so bad every day. 1173 01:06:10.980 --> 01:06:11.139 And I. 1174 01:06:12.880 --> 01:06:14.019 Miss her so much. 1175 01:06:15.480 --> 01:06:18.150 And I know there were so many more people that 1176 01:06:18.170 --> 01:06:21.269 would love to be able to stand up and say a. 1177 01:06:21.269 --> 01:06:23.909 Lot about my mom and how wonderful she was. 1178 01:06:24.010 --> 01:06:27.030 And some people who would love to stand up and remind. 1179 01:06:26.590 --> 01:06:30.010 Us some of the stupid things she did and said 1180 01:06:30.159 --> 01:06:32.579 and some of her crazy moments. 1181 01:06:34.760 --> 01:06:35.920 But I think. 1182 01:06:37.360 --> 01:06:38.639 I speak for everyone. 1183 01:06:38.300 --> 01:06:39.320 When I say that. 1184 01:06:42.480 --> 01:06:47.650 Life and the world The loss the six children of 1185 01:06:47.710 --> 01:06:49.670 Jim and Angie felt. 1186 01:06:49.550 --> 01:06:50.739 Is hard to imagine. 1187 01:07:15.800 --> 01:07:19.710 They didn't just lose their mother, their friend. They lost 1188 01:07:19.730 --> 01:07:22.849 their father, too. Jim Craig was sentenced to life in 1189 01:07:22.929 --> 01:07:27.829 prison without the possibility of parole. Additional time was added 1190 01:07:28.630 --> 01:07:32.880 to be served consecutively with the other charges. There isn't 1191 01:07:32.900 --> 01:07:36.289 a single satisfying answer as to why he did it. 1192 01:07:37.420 --> 01:07:41.659 There were affairs and financial problems. There was a life 1193 01:07:42.000 --> 01:07:46.719 and reputation he had spent years trying to maintain. Any 1194 01:07:46.820 --> 01:07:49.820 one of those things might explain part of what happened, 1195 01:07:49.900 -->

01:07:55.099 but none explain why divorce wasn't enough. One way to 1196 01:07:55.139 --> 01:07:58.559 understand it is that Jim wanted a way out without 1197 01:07:58.599 --> 01:08:02.059 losing the life he had built. But when things stopped 1198 01:08:02.260 --> 01:08:05.679 going the way he wanted, he kept trying to control 1199 01:08:05.699 --> 01:08:10.079 the outcomes. First, he tried to control his marriage. Then 1200 01:08:11.099 --> 01:08:14.539 he controlled Angie's illness. Then he tried to control the 1201 01:08:14.619 --> 01:08:18.960 outcome of the trial. But everything he was trying to preserve, 1202 01:08:19.020 --> 01:08:24.279 he lost anyway. His wife was dead. His children were 1203 01:08:24.319 --> 01:08:27.199 left without their mother, and their father was in prison 1204 01:08:27.359 --> 01:08:30.090 for the rest of his life. They would later file 1205 01:08:30.149 --> 01:08:33.470 a civil suit against their father, his practice, and the 1206 01:08:33.510 --> 01:08:38.310 company that supplied the potassium cyanide. When the sentence was announced, 1207 01:08:39.149 --> 01:08:45.029 there was no applause. There was nothing to celebrate. The 1208 01:08:45.050 --> 01:08:48.279 trial was over, but life continued. For the Craig children 1209 01:08:48.319 --> 01:08:54.489 would never be the same. And the clearest contradiction in 1210 01:08:54.510 --> 01:08:58.750 the entire case had already been captured years earlier. Inside. 1211 01:08:59.949 --> 01:09:00.569 the Craig home. 1212 01:09:01.630 --> 01:09:03.609 Nobody in their right mind would ever think I would 1213 01:09:03.640 --> 01:09:05.060 kill myself before I killed you. 1214 01:09:05.899 --> 01:09:07.079 Nobody. 1215 01:09:08.500 --> 01:09:09.319 Name one person. 1216 01:09:10.380 --> 01:09:12.760 It may not be your fault that they didn't do 1217 01:09:12.819 --> 01:09:16.600 their due diligence or anything like that, but it's your 1218 01:09:16.640 --> 01:09:19.439 fault they treated me differently. It's your fault they treated 1219 01:09:19.479 --> 01:09:22.430 me like I was a suicide risk, like I did 1220 01:09:22.489 --> 01:09:26.609 it to myself. And like nothing I said could be believed. 1221 01:09:26.630 --> 01:09:29.149 Because I didn't say to her, I'm afraid she did 1222 01:09:29.170 --> 01:09:29.970 this to herself. 1223 01:09:30.210 --> 01:09:32.170 I just said, are you going to do a drug panel? 1224 01:09:34.189 --> 01:09:35.270 You think that's not enough? 1225 01:09:36.420 --> 01:09:38.899 Neither of us said, neither of us said, I think 1226 01:09:38.939 --> 01:09:40.960 she did this to herself, or I think she took drugs, 1227 01:09:41.020 --> 01:09:43.220 or I think that, neither of us said that. 1228 01:09:43.579 --> 01:09:45.460 And how do you think it would have gone. 1229 01:09:45.420 --> 01:09:46.779 If you had actually defended me? 1230 01:09:47.569 --> 01:09:49.500 Well, I also wanted a drug trial because you were 1231 01:09:49.520 --> 01:09:50.119 accusing me. 1232 01:09:51.520 --> 01:09:52.779 I wanted that for me, too. 1233 01:09:53.380 --> 01:09:57.619 Yeah, well, everything about that whole NAFRA interaction was 100% 1234 01:09:57.619 --> 01:09:59.710 selfish and had nothing to do with being there for me. 1235 01:10:00.930 --> 01:10:03.409 You weren't there for me because you were too concerned 1236 01:10:03.430 --> 01:10:04.050 about what. 1237 01:10:03.909 --> 01:10:04.970 You were concerned about. 1238 01:10:18.609 --> 01:10:21.729 Well, the end of the year is both very close 1239 01:10:21.810 --> 01:10:24.729 and very far away. So we got plenty of time here. 1240 01:10:24.850 --> 01:10:29.300 We got a lot of more episodes to come until 1241 01:10:29.359 --> 01:10:34.159 we finally shut the lights down in the studio forever. Yes, 1242 01:10:34.380 --> 01:10:37.800 I do actually intend to do what I said I 1243 01:10:37.840 --> 01:10:40.460 was going to do. I don't know why you would 1244 01:10:40.479 --> 01:10:42.890 think otherwise. I've never lied to you. I've never said 1245 01:10:42.899 --> 01:10:45.689 I'm going to do something and not do it. We 1246 01:10:45.909 --> 01:10:48.829 are shutting down at the end of the year. That 1247 01:10:48.890 --> 01:10:54.560 is a fact. And I'll let you know why and 1248 01:10:54.600 --> 01:10:58.020 all that later on. But for now, we still have 1249 01:10:58.039 --> 01:11:00.239 a little time together, baby, before you have to go 1250 01:11:00.279 --> 01:11:02.439 back to your family, you know, and your life and 1251 01:11:03.159 --> 01:11:06.939 all that. Let's just enjoy the time we have here. 1252 01:11:06.970 --> 01:11:07.930 How about that? 1253 01:11:08.970 --> 01:11:12.850 Thanks, everybody, that's stuck around this long. Thanks to everybody. 1254 01:11:13.390 --> 01:11:17.729 that has ever bought a membership. And even if you've 1255 01:11:17.750 --> 01:11:21.430 just supported us for one month, we so much appreciate 1256 01:11:21.569 --> 01:11:25.590 all of you. You're all in my heart for all eternity.