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delightful Monday morning. Hope we find you well. Anything happening in your neck of the woods that you think the five double audience would like to know about, Give us a call. Eight double two to three double O doublo is the number to ring Well. Is there any wonder we are losing faith? What little faith we have in our politicians? There seems to be a veil of secrecy over tax payers some of those food and drinks for our MPs on North Terrace. The Advertisers investigations editor Andrew hoff I wrote about it this morning. He joins us now, Andrew, good morning to you. 00:06:09 Speaker 3: Good morning Graham, good to be with you. 00:06:11 Speaker 4: How are you? 00:06:11 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I was pretty good until I read your article this is a bit concerning. Tell us about it. 00:06:16 Speaker 5: Well, look, this is actually a long standing rowe between the Order to General, which is the state's spending watchdog if you like. It's he's the Chief Order, so he's the chief financial regulator here in South Australia, and the Order to General's job is to go and check all of the balance sheets and all of the books of each of their government agencies and departments that the taxpayer, you and I and your listener's fund And for a very long time the Order to General or whoever that is in that role, has been unable to access the records, the balance sheets and other documents related to the what's called Joint part Parliamentary Service, and that's Catering Division in particular. 00:07:05 Speaker 2: Now. 00:07:05 Speaker 5: The Joint Parliamentary Service is the body, the organization that operates and manages Parliament House on North Terrace. So it's everything from food and drink as we're talking about, through to paying of staff, wages, public servants, running the library which is very extensive, as well as Hansard which is the government's officialds, Parliament's official record of when MPs seat in either the lower House, the House of Assembly or the Upper House, the Legislative Council, and so the catering division has been kept secret from the Order to General, who has again reiterated his great displeasure at that being kept secret. 00:07:51 Speaker 1: Has it been any reason given? 00:07:54 Speaker 5: No, there's not, he writes in his report, which ironically is also tabled in Parliament, so it's a public document. 00:08:02 Speaker 3: He writes that it. 00:08:07 Speaker 5: There's been what he describes as ongoing limitations with access, but no reasons are given. You and I can speculate about what those reasons might be, and I'm sure your listeners have all sorts of reasons about why that should be, some of which i'm sure hits the mark. But what it boils down to is this, Graham. It's tax payer money, it's public money, it's our taxes at work, and we should have the right to have a look at how our money is being spent in every aspect of South Australian public life. 00:08:42 Speaker 6: Yeah. 00:08:42 Speaker 1: Well, I think it's fair to say that most people would think that our pollies are pretty well remunerated. To find out they're getting taxpayer subsidized food and drink is one thing, but then not to be told how much you know we are paying for it? 00:08:57 Speaker 5: Sure, and the argument about whether or not the taxpayer should be offering helping offering discounted food and drink, particularly in a cost of living crisis, is another debate. But I agree and the paper therefore agrees that having secrecy of this nature, hence why we gave it the coverage that we did today, we don't think that that passes what would colloquially call the pub tests. Having secrecy, for me, as an investigative journalist, raises all sorts of questions about how and why that information is not readily available. 00:09:40 Speaker 1: Can we, I'm sure, can we speculate how much it would possibly be well? 00:09:46 Speaker 6: I was trying to. 00:09:46 Speaker 3: Work this out yesterday as I was writing this. 00:09:50 Speaker 5: You may remember one of the Advertiser's most celebrated and peerless reporters, Greg Kelton, the late Greg Kelton may and may he may rest in peace, wrote about this back in twenty ten and this is how long the row has been going on for since twenty at least twenty ten, and he reported. 00:10:11 Speaker 3: That had been going on for several years before that. 00:10:14 Speaker 5: He reported that the cost of the catering division was topping a million dollars a year. 00:10:20 Speaker 3: That is back in twenty ten. 00:10:22 Speaker 5: Now I don't know is unclear what that cost is now because it's kept secret and there may be reasons such as what would be called as commercial and confidence. It could be the fact that they don't want to reveal what they get for certain contracts. But it also doesn't not just include MP's food. If you go to Parliament House and you go to what's called the Blue Room which is a public which is a canteen, or you're on tours, you also have access to the food, and they food for events and functions and things like that. But it's public money and public money deserves to be publicly scrutinized. The merits or otherwise is a debate for another time, and I'm sure your listeners will have lots to say about that going forward. 00:11:17 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the term commercial confidentiality. I mean the Premier band is that around all the time. I respect that in terms of when you're doing a negotiation and there are other people that could be putting in countertenders and so forth. Fine, but once the negotiations are settled, the deal is done, you know, I think we deserve to know. And it goes down to the catering too. Why shouldn't we know how much has been how much taxpayer money is being used to subsidize food and drinks. 00:11:43 Speaker 5: That's right, and without putting words in his mouth, but reporting accurately. When I spoke to the former Speaker, Leon Bignall, the very popular MP for Mowson who retired at the last election is now heading to London

as the Age in General. When I spoke to him yesterday, he made the point that when he was Speaker and he was on this over the body that I oversee, the committee that oversees the service, along with the President of the Legisative Council and two other very senior MPs from both sides of politics. He said that there was a very big push when he was Speaker for increased transparency and increased accountability, which he was trying to and other MPs were trying to introduce into Parliament to bring it into. 00:12:31 Speaker 3: The modern era. 00:12:32 Speaker 5: He said, now that he's no longer in Parliament, that's for other people to take forward. But he was very very welcoming of the debate to have about public money, how it's spent, and that the debate should be held in public and the accountability should be known to taxpayers. 00:12:54 Speaker 1: I know it's early days, but I take it the new Speaker hasn't committed to releasing those records. 00:12:59 Speaker 5: When I spoke to as well last week Nat Cook again the News Labor, the former Labor and Peace now an independent who is in the new speaker, she said she was taking advice. She's new to the chair so quite rightly needs to get her head around the processes and the arguments to and from without making rasticisms. I think that's right. Same with Reggie Martin, the President of the Legilative Council. He didn't want to comment publicly because he also was taking advice and getting his head around. 00:13:34 Speaker 3: What everything to do with that position. 00:13:37 Speaker 5: But I think there will certainly be some discussions behind closed doors about the merits or otherwise of having that access to the audits in general. The point also made is that that service is also independently audited by affirm that the details of which is also secret. 00:13:57 Speaker 1: I mean you're saying it goes back to probably two thousand and ten, sixteen years. We've been trying to get some sort of transparency in this area. You've got to think, you know, and we're looking at governments of all persuasions. You've got to think there's some sort of deal being done, some cover up, something happening, somebody who is benefiting by it. I mean, you know, all I have to do is lay all the cards on the table and say, look, these are the costings, this is what we're doing and why. But as long as they keep it covered up, we're going to think the worst of it. 00:14:26 Speaker 5: I look, Graham, as I said to you earlier in to your listeners, I always have suspicions when information is kept secret for reasons that. 00:14:42 Speaker 3: I don't believe in. 00:14:44 Speaker 5: And so for this reason I think I ask we've asked the questions about why the Parliamentary officers didn't want to talk about it, there has to be questions asked about why this information is not readily disclosed. That is for others to make the argument for we're simply saying and reporting what the Orders to General has stated in his public report that he has not had access to, and let's use his words. He says, in my opinion, the financial accountability and audibility of the service fall short of the standards applied to public accounts and public authorities. 00:15:27 Speaker 7: Is from the Order to General. 00:15:28 Speaker 1: It says it all, is there any point following up with a freedom of information request? 00:15:35 Speaker 5: No, because my understanding and I could be wrong on this. I'm sure that one of your listeners will point out if I am, I believe that Parliament operations are exempt from FOI. 00:15:47 Speaker 7: Don't quote me on that. 00:15:50 Speaker 3: I've sort of but that is my understanding. 00:15:52 Speaker 1: Yeah, So where to from here? I mean, other than shedding a public eye on it as you've done, what can you do? 00:16:00 Speaker 6: Well? 00:16:01 Speaker 5: Look, I am simply what I tend to joke with colleagues, a humble servant of our readers. I simply report what is going on that is for others to take up. And there's obviously in order to General's bug bear, which he constantly lays bear in his reports. But if we end up getting any further information about this, well obviously consider follow ups for our readers. And if there are any updates, I'm sure I'll. 00:16:28 Speaker 6: Let you know. 00:16:29 Speaker 1: Excellent, good and Andrew, always great. The Chats Advertisers Investigations Editor Andrew Hoff on Snouts in the Trough. I mean we've got to assume that, we've got to assume the worst. I mean, why is there a veil of secrecy of a taxpayer subsidized food and drinks for MPs. If the Order to General Andrew Basket can't get that information, what are they hiding? Why are they hiding it? Successive government's going back to twenty ten. This is our money, just outrageous, don't get it. In relation to the canteen at Parliament House on North Terrace being subsidized by US tax players, is there anything stopping us going into this canteen and accessing the subsidized goods. I think you can go in by invitation only. I'm not sure about that, Canday. It's not just government's governments. Councils also spend ratepayers money on eats and drinks in their banquet rooms. I've seen it, says Eddie. Look, I can understand it, Eddie, to a degree. A council has to wine and dine and entertain at times, and they do have a budget for that. As long as it's not overdone, I think it is quite reasonable. But we will pursue this further. Eight double two three double o double is the number to ring well. The experts have slam new death tax and the budget, but the government says there is one. We'll speak with Wealth Transfer lawyer Rachel Rowe after news headlines five double A. 00:17:47 Speaker 2: Mornings with Graham Goodings. 00:17:50 Speaker 1: Twenty eight to ten on the Monday morning. Thanks for your company, and I see the Prime Minister wants to reboot the aulstral and car industry. Would you like to see us give it another go? Let us know what you think. Eight

double two three double O double is the number to ring well AMBALDIZI government has been accused of introducing a stealth death tax in last week's federal budget. Treasurer Jim Chalmers has denied any inheritance tax charges. Rachel RoAF is a wealth transfer lawyer who joins us now. Rachel, good morning to you. 00:18:19 Speaker 8: Rachel, good morning, Good morning Graham. 00:18:21 Speaker 9: Can you hear me? 00:18:22 Speaker 1: I can hear you loud and clear. So welmas Well, the treasure has denied it. You're saying we're effectively have a death tax. 00:18:30 Speaker 10: Yeah. 00:18:31 Speaker 8: Lo. 00:18:31 Speaker 11: I understand why the government resists that death tax label because technically it's not a tax on the transfer of our sets at death, and I think that is an important point to make. But the tax consequences of this budget measure only arises because someone has died. The structure that triggers. It only exists because someone has died, and so while it might not be a death duty in the traditional sense, the effect falls squarely on inherited wealth. 00:18:58 Speaker 1: So it's a death tax with another name. 00:19:01 Speaker 11: Yeah, look, I think so, But I think we are getting sort of caught up in the label here, and I think we need to move on from that and actually focus on who actually is going to get hit by this measure. But this is families using these trusts to will face a minimum thirty percent tax on future distributions, and that will buy hardest on people who at least able to absorb it. So we're talking about minor children, adults of disabilities, beneficiaries who are never going to earn a minimum wage. And that's not a tax on the wealthy. Really, that is a tax on the most vulnerable. 00:19:34 Speaker 1: So it will impact every family when someone dies. This thirty percent new rate. 00:19:42 Speaker 11: Well, look, it's anyone who is using a testamentary discretionary trust in the will. So the basic idea is really straightforward. You offer this trust out of the terms of the will, the assets passed into the trust, and the trust is going to pay thirty percent tax on its income before anything reaches the beneficiary. So if you're not yep, go on. 00:20:03 Speaker 1: I'm just going to say, so, what percentage of wills would have this testamentary discretionary trust involved? 00:20:09 Speaker 11: Almost every single will that I draft for my clients. My clients are across a board spectrum. Some are ultra high network that some are the every day mum and dad. All of them have these discretionary testamentary trust offered in their will. And the thing is is, it's not how many are in existence at the moment, it's how many are sitting in a will in a draw yet to be activated. 00:20:32 Speaker 1: I mean, this is obviously standard procedure using this process that benefits families and those who inherited or inherit from a will. Is there any other way around it? If this is implemented by the government, so many people are going

to suffer this thirty percent rate. 00:20:51 Speaker 11: Yeah, Look, it's going to be interesting to see a little bit more detail to come out. So the government has flagged there is going to be a carve for what they're calling vulnerable beneficiaries, but we don't have detail yet, and that detail is everything what I'd like to see and what I think the step that broadly wants to see is clear consultation and clear drafting on how treating we're going to treat children, so anyone under the age of eighteen, people with disabilities, and how any other lable beneficiaries are treated, because that and those people are precisely the ones that these trusts have been designed to protect. And if the carve out doesn't reach them, the people who can lest afford it are going to be hit the hardest. 00:21:35 Speaker 1: Well, I think most people to think trusts that they're just there for the wealthy. But you're saying it's going to affect the average middle class families. 00:21:43 Speaker 11: Yeah, absolutely so. Look, tax is, I always say sometimes it can be a bit of a cherry on top, but it's certainly not the primary driver of these instruments. The primary driver of these instruments are for people who want to make sure but the wealth that they have worked hard to accumulate their lifetime is going to be safely in the hands or for the beneficiary. They want it to see it protected from relationship breakdowns, they want to receive it, protected in the event of business risk, or from creditors. Sometimes it actually needs to be protected from the beneficiaries themselves, particularly if they young, or if they're suffering any sort of addiction or problem in their personal circumstances. That is a wide cross section of the community. Families you know, are very diverse, and I'm sure that everyone has someone in their family who will fall into one of those categories. 00:22:33 Speaker 1: So should all Australians revisit their wills and just see how they're drawn up? 00:22:39 Speaker 12: Yeah? 00:22:39 Speaker 11: I think in terms of what people should do is first of all, not panic and certainly don't rip up your will on the basis of the headline. But the second worst response is probably doing nothing. So the question every family should be asking is who am I trying to protect? What flexibility do I need to offer in my wills to be able to protect my beneficiaries? And what's the tax cost of that, say stability after one July twenty twenty eight, So getting a review with an estate planning law is precisely what they should be doing. As the next death how. 00:23:09 Speaker 1: I mean, we don't have nominally death duties, but how do we compare with other countries like the UK and the US. 00:23:16 Speaker 11: The UK and the US have very clear death duties in a very traditional sense and Australians offer and pride themselves and not having that one big death duty. But the bigger picture in Australia is that we have a smaller number of multiple measures that in

isolation you can defend them as not being a death duty. But when you add them all up, the effect is they're reducing the amount of wealth that you can pass on to the next generation. So superannuation, for example, we've had death benefits tax on superannuation for decades, so that is I think of death duty. Even though it's not called the death duty. It does reduce the amount of super that you can pass on to the next generation. We've got this new Division two ninety six that's come into effect and will be law from one July that is going to have an impact on how much wealth that you can pass on on death. So look just a series of these measures that do ultimately impact the amount of wealth that you can pass on. Not call the death duty, not a headline one big death tax as we see in the UK and the US, but definitely have the effect in Australia of a death duty. 00:24:26 Speaker 1: It sounds like a maze. It's going to confuse and concern a lot of people. Were there any other changes in the budget or recent laws that concern you for intergenerational transfers. 00:24:37 Speaker 11: Yeah, look, I think the bigger pictures that faunilies are facing several changes at once. So we've got the trust changes are just one part of it. There's obviously the proposed changes to capital gains tat negative gearing, the Division two ninety six superannuation changes for balances over three million. So for state planning, the concern is probably cumulative super trusts. Thesegts found me wealth. They don't sit in separate boxes. They really do all interact together, and a change in one area is going to effect who receives wealth, who pays the tax, and whether state plan still works as intended. So there's a lot going on at once, So getting some good advice is going to give you some clarity on what to do next. 00:25:19 Speaker 1: You mentioned superannuation. The figure, the cutoff figure of the government suggested three million dollars to a lot of people. That sounds like of money, a lot of money, but that is being eroded very quickly, and then it won't be a very long term before three million dollars is seen as a minimal amount. 00:25:36 Speaker 11: Yeah, Look, three million dollars is a lot of money. But I think don't just think about your own balance, think about what happens as well if you're a survivor who inherits some superannuation. So whilst you might not be over the threshold today, if you inherit super from your spouse, you might find yourself above that threshold and impacted by the division two ninety six. But look, I do think the tax that affects almost every Australian on super on death is this death benefits tax, and a lot of people don't understand that it exists. And given that superannuation is one of the most significant, if not the most significant asset for Australians outside the family home, it really does require attention. 00:26:20 Speaker 1: Obviously, and you're saying, we don't want to panic people here, but how can families best prepare for the great intergenerational wealth transfer? 00:26:27 Speaker 13: That's great, get really great? 00:26:30 Speaker 11: I think you need to have a good advisor and make sure that your advisors are talking together. So one of the things we're really good at in Australia is getting some really good financial advice, but not making sure that the state plan keeps up with that advice. The two really do need to be working together. So make sure you've got a good financial advisor. The financial advisor is working with your estate planning lawyer. That both across the detail together, and you'll be able to work out exactly what you need to do and to achieve your outcome in the most as set plate test if tax affected, but also simple way. No one wants a really complicated estate plan. 00:27:05 Speaker 1: That's the truth. Rachel, thanks for your timely advice. I appreciate it. That's Rachel wrote rothe wealth transfer lawyer, on this intergenerational change. What are your thoughts about it? Folks like to hear what you're thinking? Eight double two three double O. On the text line, Gary writes, hi gg, how could you trust anything? Doctor Jim and Albow promised. Well, that's a fair question, David says, only scratching the surface. Polly's are eating cake and the voters get crusts. Well, we might be lucky to even get crusts. Edwin, good morning, Good morning, Grahame. 00:27:40 Speaker 14: I just want to raise the issue that you know, if the dumbans can can subsize their food and drinks, then why can't the drummers in subsist and think for all Australians substans if saying I retired to that, well the can they do it? 00:27:56 Speaker 1: And they want to do it for the people, Well they would say, look, you know this is only small, small potatoes, ed when I mean you know we're only talking a few million dollars here. We're subsidizing for all Australians that will run into billions and we just don't have that sort of money. 00:28:10 Speaker 14: Well, they could do that for this, for those on tensions in that mantive that are struggling on tensions and the homeless, I could do it for them. 00:28:19 Speaker 15: There. 00:28:19 Speaker 1: Yeah, no good suggestion, Edwin. I don't doubt that for a second. But the mere fact that it's shrouded in secrecy, I mean, this is ridiculous. For sixteen years the Auditor General has not been able to find out the snouts in the trough how much we are paying to subsidize food and drinks for MPs on North Terrace. And they do rather nicely too. I've never never partaken myself, but I've heard stories they have a very fine wineless there. The food is exceptionally good and they pay. Look if someone's been there, let us know. If you're a former Polly or have eaten? And the canteen at the on North Terrace in Parliament House? What do you pay for an ridge meal or a glass of wine and the like? And why should taxpayers be subsidizing it? Our politicians earn a pretty penny. They're doing all right, thank you very much. Can't

remember what the basic rate is, but it'd been well in excess of two hundred thousand dollars a year, plus a parliamentary allowance, an electorate allowance and the like. And yet they get their food subsidized. Do you get your food subsidized at work? I know, way, dad, I'm not complaining, but why do our politicians get it? Particularly in tight times? I mean, if the country was humming along and you know, everybody was doing well and we're living off the fat of the land, maybe different, but we're not. The country is doing it tough. People are tightening their belts, We have so many homeless people, We need more for age care, and on and on and on, and yet to go into the Parliament canteen, the touch shop, the dining area and your meals and drinks are subsidized. Nice work if you can get it. Good morning, GG seven years ago, a close friend was telling me how he and others he knew were regularly dined on subsidized food, food and expensive wines and liquors being consumed. I said, is that fair? He said, most do it? He was told even the retired politicians were still doing it. Is that right, Patrick? Is that right? 00:30:17 Speaker 8: Well? 00:30:17 Speaker 1: Somebody will know, some five a listening will know. Have you ever whined and dined at taxpayers expense at Parliament House? Let's know about it, Karen says, example A wins a catering contract. B was also tendering. Might have been cheaper c contract given to A jobs or jobs for the boys, so to speak. Well, that wouldn't be There wouldn't be jobs for the boys, were they? Surely not? Eddie says it's not just governments. Councils also spend rate payers money. In relation to the canteen at Parliament House, North Terrace being subsidized by US taxpayers, is there anything stopping us going into this canteen and accessing the subsidized goods? Louis, I don't know, but maybe we should try and find out. We'll go in en mass be wined and dined at taxpayer's expense your thoughts eight double two three double O double Backshorty will take a look at stocks and the weekend Footy rap. 00:31:13 Speaker 2: Five double A Mornings with Graham Goodings. 00:31:18 Speaker 1: Good morning to you. Eleven to ten five double A five double A's Best of SA is about celebrating and profiling some of the great brands in our state. Today we're celebrating Phil Hoffman Travel and later on this morning we're going to give away a one hundred dollar Phil Hoffman voucher and two tickets to our Best of SA dinner that's on Friday, the twelfth of June at Adelaide Oval, So stay tuned for that. We'll tell you how you can win it. Let's look at the stock market now, all odds is done by sixty two points ASX two hundred down by fifty eight. Oil brint crued up another dollar one hundred and ten US dollars a barrel, West Texas crewed one hundred and six US dollars a barrel. Both have risen. Gold is down one hundred and three dollars to four thousand, five hundred and forty seven US mullers, and ounced. The Aussie dollar is currently buying seventy one point three US cents. Well, it was a big weekend of putting, as it always is. How did your team go, whether it be Port or the Crows or another team perhaps nine New sports reporter Breidon Ingram joins us breadon good morning to you, morning Graham. Let's start back on Friday night. It was a tough contract heading up to Darwin to take on the Suns, and the Port just didn't quite measure up. 00:32:28 Speaker 16: Yeah, and look they you know, they gave themselves a sniff right at the end of the game. 00:32:33 Speaker 4: How they kicked straight. They missed some shots that you know, you put in. 00:32:36 Speaker 16: The book ten out of ten times, which could have even made the margin a little bit closer. So but if you look at the game as a whole, twenty five points probably did flatter them. They you know, they were blown away in that first half and aside from Zach Butter's in the midfield, they probably just struggled around the ball against those you know, those star midfielders of Anderson Petrarca, Row, et cetera. So that's probably a little bit of a focus point for them. 00:33:02 Speaker 4: I thought. 00:33:02 Speaker 16: Jas Bergoy moving to half back without Josh Lyie and also Miles Bergman was a good sign to see there. He always performs pretty well there. But as a whole, it's been a little bit of criticism of Jason horn Francis. I mean, he probably did struggle a little bit last night, but I mean overall, he's had a pretty solid year. So clearly they weren't able to make the most of their games that they lost by what three points, two points in one points, and now they come up against a really good opposition they've copped it. So yeah, look, it's a little bit of struggle down at the moment, and they're probably reaching for that buy all. 00:33:39 Speaker 1: You can see why they're trying to hang on and throwing everything at keeping Zach Butters when he is a truly exceptional player. 00:33:46 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:33:46 Speaker 4: Absolutely, and I mean there's no doubt about that. 00:33:49 Speaker 16: He's in the top five in the comp and we continue to see that he's putting in what they call a contract year. 00:33:55 Speaker 4: He's adding dollars, if even is possible. 00:33:58 Speaker 16: It's already at the absolute ceiling anyway, but dollars with every game he seems to play. And then you look at this game this week, Carlton, you would have said, oh, that's a very winnable game, probably a fortnight ago over the way they played against the Dogs, pretty gritty to get only their second win of the season. Port are the favorites, but it's going to be a tough, tough test against Carlton, certainly, no certainty. 00:34:19 Speaker 1: What is it about when a coach is dropped, sacked or throws on the tail and the replacement comes in and all of a sudden the side fines winning form. 00:34:28 Speaker 16: Yeah, it's just that mental bump that a new voice and clearly maybe bit of fresh air, things seem to change. 00:34:34 Speaker 4:

I mean, the oddest thing about Carlton is they've. 00:34:37 Speaker 16: Been playing good footy for three quarters, two and a half quarters, and they just would fade out of games completely, all fade out of a. 00:34:44 Speaker 4: Third or fourth quarter, and. 00:34:47 Speaker 16: Ultimately that's cost Michael Voss, among other things, his jobs. 00:34:50 Speaker 4: So clearly they were able to put it in and you just so if. 00:34:52 Speaker 16: You're watched any of that game on Saturday night, they just were hard at the footy and the effort was there and you saw probably some of their experienced guys who who haven't done that, haven't showed that effort all that fight did that and it made the world a difference. 00:35:08 Speaker 1: Saturday an early game for the Crows, and I was actually I was pretty thrilled about the crowd. More than forty thousand. I mean, Saturday an early game has got to be the worst time, you know, a kid sport, people playing sport, people coming down from the country. It's a tough contract to get to a big crowd. But it was a good crowd. But I'll tell you what, for the first quarter, first fifteen minutes, most of us wish we'd stayed at home. 00:35:31 Speaker 16: Well, it was magnificent, particularly given the weather that certainly was there about an hour and a half before the game. 00:35:37 Speaker 4: It looks real ugly. No, it was a great day. 00:35:40 Speaker 16: After about fifth air minutes into that this Quartergram, I imagine you would have been pretty nervously on and it felt like everything leading into the game had come true. It was like Norse here to play the Crows. You know, look, they don't have a forward line in terms of missing quite a few of their key names. And I think that is what would please Matthew Nicks the most. You can't come and say, oh, North didn't offer a contest, and. 00:36:06 Speaker 4: You know, you guys just had an easy kill. 00:36:08 Speaker 16: The way the game started on the back four North should have kicked straight and been probably four or five goals ahead. And then that second quarter, I mean I was in that Alisa clarks can press. The post game, he I think was Shelle shocked if he's some of the best foot you've seen a team play for a long long time. And I mean to have I think a seventy disposed of differential. They only touched the ball forty two times in that second quarter of the ruse. 00:36:29 Speaker 4: It was it was Witch's hat stuff. 00:36:31 Speaker 16: And you've got to give credit complete to the Crowser because they just absolutely throttled them so and so many things to like, not just his star players, but even Jace Petlin kicked a couple of goals. He had his twenty and around the ball with sensational I thought, Luke need Curvis who came into the. 00:36:47 Speaker 4: Side, Jake Salig go as well kicking goals, and Joshua Shelley. 00:36:51 Speaker 16: I mean, he's trying to claim that pocket the opposite side to Eddies. 00:36:54 Speaker 4: He's got fair claim to it at the

moment. 00:36:56 Speaker 16: The way he's playing, you know, he's clearly got designs on playing midfield. But because of some of the injuries and some of the personnel changes. 00:37:03 Speaker 4: He's being forced to play a little bit. 00:37:04 Speaker 16: More forward, and they still think he's sixteen to eighteen touches, but kicked those multiple goals and he's set up another one which I think got stolen off him right in the goal square. So there's so much to like. And then you look at who's still to come back. Clearly no Phil Forpe, no Taylor Walker Calacchi. I thought they might give him a week in the samdple, but given Isaac coming had that hamstring awareness he sat out the last quarter or the majority of it, I wonder if Calucci does come back into that side, But they want to be really careful with him as well. And we know Mark Keanes not too far away and Dan Curtin on the wing as well. We're just starting to see his sort of running power and what he can do and a little bit of midfield times. 00:37:41 Speaker 4: So suddenly there's a lot to like. 00:37:43 Speaker 16: And as Matthew nicks Key's reminding us, hey, this is now five wins out of the past six, so I know there's a bit of a bit of doubt around them, and Nixons certainly there's a lot of doubt around us, but hey, we keep putting the wins on the board and that's all that matters. 00:37:58 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. The Crow's midfiel looks totally different with the MacAndrew as leading ruck. I mean he has made a dramatic difference. 00:38:06 Speaker 16: Yeah, I mean clearly the rock rules have favored him, but he's then just taken the bull by the horns. I genuinely thought Tristan Sherry would destroy him. 00:38:15 Speaker 1: So he's one of the top ruckmen in the comp. 00:38:17 Speaker 16: Well, and if you looked at the first six minutes, Shery had gone to the bench with six touches and two clearances and that set up that early dominance and you're thinking, oh, this is going one way, and from there. 00:38:27 Speaker 4: I think Cherry ended up with fifteen. 00:38:29 Speaker 16: He did sit out most of the last quarter, but he was ineffectual after that moment and Megandre and to go and kick a goal as well, and I did enjoy. I don't know if you remember he's run up. Of course, he has a rugby union background. That's what he originally played when he was younger. It was honestly like watching a penalty goal from the sideline in a World Cup game, or. 00:38:48 Speaker 4: A well of his game, so great. He is a great story. So he has really taken his opportunity. 00:38:54 Speaker 16: And he didn't train really during the week, so I imagine he's pretty sore. 00:38:57 Speaker 4: He's only played I think that you. 00:38:59 Speaker 16: Know, a dozen career games, so clearly there'd be a few players wanting to get through the bye. I had checked the weather for Thursday night as well. We're not going to get a disgusting game like we did last year, and I think it was forty seven forty four Hawthorne down Concesson in early June. 00:39:12 Speaker 10: It is. 00:39:13 Speaker 16: It's going to be cold, but it's a lot nicer, so hopefully we get a better standard of footy than what we saw last year. That's a huge game. 00:39:20 Speaker 4: Mate. 00:39:20 Speaker 16: The Hawks aren't going that well at the moment we saw them. I thought that I thought the Melbourne game was certainly going to be close. You gave Melbourne a chance, but they are just absolutely flying under their new coach. 00:39:30 Speaker 4: Stephen King. 00:39:31 Speaker 16: So they might get Jack Gunston back potentially, which they look a little bit messy without him at the moment, so. 00:39:37 Speaker 4: That would be a big boost for the Hawks. 00:39:39 Speaker 16: So for Crows fans, you're hopeful that maybe Jack Gunson gets another week on the sidelines. 00:39:42 Speaker 1: Good on your Braiden, Thanks for your time today. Break Ingram nine News sports reporter on the weekend, AFL footing port and Crows poured up against a tough one. Well you wouldn't have thought that a week ago, but Carlton actually cracked it for a win. Interesting times. Eight double two to three double O double is the number the ring we're going to for News. Then there are calls to redefine the term middle class, with research showing Gen x's are struggling to say for retirement this week with demographer and futurist Mark Krindall coming up after ten five Double A. 00:40:13 Speaker 2: Mornings with Graham. 00:40:14 Speaker 1: Goodings, Thanks for sharing part of your day with us. 00:40:18 Speaker 17: Well. 00:40:18 Speaker 1: Demographer and futurists Mark and Krindall believes it's time to redefine the term middle class as older Generation x's gen x's prepared to follow boomers into retirement. His comments follow News Corps exclusive analysis of official data which produced vulnerability scores for the most at risk Australian suburbs. Joining us now as Mark mccrindall, Mark, Good morning to you, very Graham General. When I saw Generation X. I thought, now, what age grip are we talking here? Forty five to sixty? So they're getting up there. 00:40:48 Speaker 18: Yes, exactly, and starting to think about the post working years as well, but still, you know, sandwich with their children, sometimes young and old children, still living at a home, and right at the time that they've even got their elderly parents needing a bit more care as well. 00:41:05 Speaker 8: So Gen X's is certainly in a very busy point in life. 00:41:09 Speaker 1: And you're suggesting that because of the situation they're largely in, it's time to redefine the term middle class. 00:41:17 Speaker 8: Yeah, that's right. 00:41:18 Speaker 18: I mean we think that if someone's earning six figures then they're definitely comfortably in the middle class. But firstly, the average salary today, the median salary of an Australian who's working full time is one hundred thousand. Let alone, maybe at Gen XO, who should be at the upper end

of that median because they've been working longer, and of course with the cost of living, costs of housing, costs of raising those young adults, and indeed other parts of their life in terms of care and other responsibilities, that's really going to struggle. That's six figures might cause some struggle even to achieve the middle class, which might include you know, travel overseas every few years, or health insurance or having a decent superannuation fund that's not guaranteed at that level of income anymore. 00:42:14 Speaker 1: Now the official data, the research shows the most at risk Australian suburbs and it appears that seven of the top ten are based here in South Australia. 00:42:24 Speaker 8: Yeah, that's right. So this is analysis of those who. 00:42:29 Speaker 18: Might, from an earning perspective been have been traditionally classed as middle class, and certainly at this age where traditionally of that sort of income they would have paid off the home and have all of the safety nets in place with private health insurance and some savings for the rainy day. 00:42:49 Speaker 8: That's no longer the case. 00:42:50 Speaker 18: So what we've got the forty and fifty something Australians carrying a mortgage a lot later in life, starting to have to manage some of those costs. Are dropping private health insurance they're not. They're underinsured in other asset areas as well, perhaps not even fully on the family home, dialing back even some of the insurance on the car, maybe getting by with one car not too. So suddenly, even though from an earnings perspective they might be middle class, from a wealth and lifestyle perspective, they're certainly not. And that's growing for many of that category. 00:43:24 Speaker 1: Now many of the Gen x's have adult children still at home. Is that a plus or a minus? Does that add to the burden. 00:43:31 Speaker 8: Well, it does add to the financial burden. 00:43:33 Speaker 18: I mean, we've found in the research that a lot of the older parents are so happy to have the adult kids there. They recognize that it's even tougher for their kids than it was for them when they started out, and they appreciate that social connection, that that intergenerational connection. Of course, their children are getting closer to the point where they may may start their own families, and so it keeps the perapose to what might become grandchildren. So it's got a lot of social benefits, but it does have economic challenges because they're parents that are living in homes that might be ones where they would normally. 00:44:10 Speaker 8: Have downsized by now and got more efficiencies in. 00:44:13 Speaker 18: That they might have unlocked some of that money for perhaps retirement living or traveler other things, and yet there's still got some costs in the home and for the young adults. So yeah, it certainly comes to an economics straight even if there's some social benefits. 00:44:28 Speaker 1: Now, as you've been speaking, Mark Scott has texted saying it's about time Gen X got noticed. We are the forgotten generation. Is that a fair comment? 00:44:37 Speaker 8: It is almost like the middle child. 00:44:39 Speaker 18: You know, we've heard for half a decade about the baby, for half a century about the baby, it was for about fifty years, and now we're hearing about the millennials and generations there, and there was a generation in the middle of there that've got skipped. Generation X, who worked pretty hard, who have played by the rules, who have saved up and raised kids and done all the things I was supposed to do. 00:44:57 Speaker 8: And whether it be. 00:44:58 Speaker 18: Through through the latest budget or so many other aspects, they tend. 00:45:05 Speaker 8: To be forgotten about. 00:45:06 Speaker 18: So yes, the Gen X, like the middle child, is a little bit a little bit invisible. 00:45:12 Speaker 1: The government with the budget talked about intergenerational change and so forth, focusing on young people once again. Is that a slap in the face to Gen X? 00:45:20 Speaker 8: It is, because you know, this is the generation. 00:45:23 Speaker 18: I mean, it's and I think we're right to think of the baby boomers in this regard as well, who have paid their taxes, and you know, the least that they can expect is that the goalposts don't change right as they head into retirement. But I think it's even more the case for the Gen x's because they're still locked into the system. They're still having to pay the income tax, probably work a bit later because of the fact they're going to live longer, and they've got those bigger expenses extended later in terms of parenting. They haven't quite shaken off the mortgage yet. They're not the generation that have had superannuation from the start of their working life. It came a little bit into their working life, so they're not quite able to rely on superannuation as much as the emerging generation. And yet you know, if they've worked hard and invested in things like maybe some investments or some shares, they find that the policies are turning against them. So that's part of the challenge, and we certainly don't want to pitch one generation against the next. That's not the that's not the best outcome in a tax policy or a social policy to ensure we have that social cohesion. 00:46:25 Speaker 1: Most certainly so, as you say that Gen X is many of them are approaching retirement now, and we're probably baby boomers looked ahead to retirement, you know, thinking this is going to be a wonderful time and got the nest egg and everything will be good. For a lot of Gen x's, they're just pushing retirement further and further back. 00:46:45 Speaker 8: Yeah, well, that's right. 00:46:46 Speaker 18: And the challenge for a lot of them in our research is that they are a little vulnerable career wise because they tend to be working in the knowledge economy. They tend to be in office bound sort of roles, and and that's where the big Ai tsunami is

headed their way. And they're not as adaptable as some of the younger ones just because of the life stage. 00:47:09 Speaker 8: They're not going to necessarily invest in a whole. 00:47:11 Speaker 18: Lot of more education for career change purposes, so they'll feel the sting of this a bit. 00:47:17 Speaker 8: There is a little bit of ageism in the workplace. 00:47:20 Speaker 18: Someone hits the mid fifties and it is hard to transition to new roles or to extend their career a little, so, you know, have the costs and the challenges and the kids and not as much of that workplace flexibility amidst the disruptions that we're seeing with technology. 00:47:38 Speaker 1: Mark Krindle, thanks so much of your time today. I appreciate it. That's the researcher, Mark McCrindle, demographer on the gen X. Are you a gen xer? There's what Mark McCrindle was suggesting apply to you? Does that apply to you? He says, it's time to redefine the term middle class as gen x's just don't have the lifestyle that they would perhaps think they should have. If you're a gen X or not aware of it. Aged between forty five and sixty, many approaching retirement, but many will not be able to consider retirement for a lot of years because although the income might be in six figures, it is not enough to prepare them for a happy retirement. Andrew says, would gen X be amongst the highest statistically to be in a broken marriage? From experience, that was the biggest thing that hurts me financially. Yeah, And gen X has always been screwed by governments. What's new? It would appear, so it would appear so once upon a time. The baby boomers, of course, were the formed upon group because they were the biggest population group. Therefore governments had to win the baby boomer vote, or you wouldn't win an election that has changed. Baby boomers no longer make up the biggest voting component. Hence we see the heat coming off the government having to provide for older generations and looking towards the much younger generations. And it would seem to be gen X's caught in the middle. As Mark McCrindle said, much like a second child, the middle child. 00:49:07 Speaker 2: Five double A Mornings with Graham Goodings. 00:49:10 Speaker 1: Got on the overcast but still pretty pleasant. Is there any wonder we're losing what little faith we had in our politicians were talking about it earlier. A veil of secrecy appears to have been enshrouding taxpayer subsidized food and drinks for MPs on North Terrace. Even the Orditor General Andrew Blaskett can't find out how much is involved. We'd like to get to the bottom of it. And Mark Brindle, former Liberal politician member of the House of Assembly, has called in Mark, good morning to you. How are you, Graham good thanks? Can you shed any light on this for us? 00:49:42 Speaker 15: Yes? 00:49:43 Speaker 19: You look, I can now and don't shoot the messenger, Graham, but I'll try and explain one of the reasons why there are food services in Parliament House

is you know, it's an unusual job. You have to be there and when the bills you've got three minutes to be in the chamber for that. And Parliament traditionally used to meet at two o'clock and run till ten o'clock at night, so it always covers at least one will break and offered often two. In fact, in the old days, on the top floor of the House of Assembly there are also bedrooms for the country members because you know they had to come from the country. They used to sleep there. Now that's been changed, as you know, there's now a country members allowance. There are no bedrooms there anymore. And guess what the people complained, and quite rightly because there have been members in the past that have ripped off that system. So it might have been better to have the bedrooms and pay money, which then gets abused. But back to the food and drink. The food and drinks provided because you know, you can't just leave Parliament House and go and have coffee across the street. That's the reason that exists. It's not just for members of Parliament, it's anybody who works in the building. And it's also or anybody who works in the building, any visitors to the building, and that includes members of the public. If you want to, if you want to go through the security and go in there, I think you can go down to the cam theme. 00:51:25 Speaker 13: Now. 00:51:26 Speaker 19: As for it being subsidized, my understanding is this, and as I said, I'm fairly sure it's exactly right. The food and drink is not subsidized. The labor is subsidized. So you pay if you want a bottle of Grange Hermitage, for instance, you pay for a Grange Hermitage. What you don't pay is what you'd pay at the Hilton, where that bottle of Grange Hermitage has got a premium added A for the service and B for the profit. So if you like, it's a nonprofit organization, so that takes a margin off it. And you're not paying for the labor, so that takes another margin off it. 00:52:08 Speaker 1: So why is it all surrounded in secrecy? Why can't Andrew Blasket find out just what the deal is? 00:52:15 Speaker 19: To be perfectly honest, I don't know. I mean, I get a bit sick and tired of I get a bit sick and tired of politicians as a class, and I was one of them thinking they've got to thinking they've got to cover things up, where if they just explain things. Look, I'd say to every one of your listeners if they find this, if they find this, should be changed. Every one of them, including you, can run for Parliament at the next election. And if you look at one nation, you've got a good chance of getting elected. We live in the democracy. And you know, if any of your listeners don't like it, it is I'm not joking. It is comparatively easy. I'll tell you what easier to become a politician, Grahame than to have done the jobs you've done all your life, because you don't get to be a newsreader on a big commercial TV station quite as easily as you get to be a politician. 00:53:16 Speaker 1: Good on you, Mark, Thanks for your input today. Mark McCrindle, former Liberal politician, Wellmer Brindle, sorry in getting mixed up with Mark McCrindle. Mark Brindle, former Liberal poly served in the Legislative Assembly for many many years and regularly listens to this show, and we appreciate his input and take on board everything he said. But I still just don't know why that. Andrew blasket. The order to general has been refused access to catering and training accounts. It's preventing a full order of the twenty five million dollar annual operations. Why why now? It's all well and good for Mark Brindle to say, you become a politician and get in there and change things, but we should be able to have access to the sort of information because the bottom line, as always you and me, it's our money, taxpayers money paying for all this allan good morning. 00:54:10 Speaker 17: Good morning, Graham. I'd like to have raised an issue about you talk about secrecy. I'd like to raise issue about our MP car leags. Now at the turn of the century, I believe they aboard themselves the car least, which I think started off at about seven hundred dollars a year it was subsidized them by the taxpayer, and about in two thousand and seven, I think the at least has went up to seven thousand dollars a year and they haven't moved since that's been They've been stagnant for the last nineteen years. Quite frankly that seven thousand dollars wouldn't cover the cost of petrol at the moment. The lease is that their cars are allowed to be used by their family members. 00:54:58 Speaker 1: So that these are cars for private use. 00:55:02 Speaker 17: Well, they have Elite. Our MP's allowed Elite the car for seven thousand dollars a year, but the lease allows them to be used by their family members, so their children, their wives can use the car. It's a nice little perk it is, and it's a perk which I believe a lot of South Australians have forgotten about now. Prior to mister Mellan house Is being elected, I went to a People's forum and I raised this issue with him and Marshal at the time. Now Mellan Ouskers gave me an undertaking that he would look into. 00:55:38 Speaker 15: It if he was elected. 00:55:40 Speaker 17: Months after he got elected, I reminded him. I sent him an email to which he never responded. Then I met him at the Best of SA dinner and I also reminded him again about this. 00:55:55 Speaker 15: Situation. 00:55:56 Speaker 17: He asked for my email. I never got any reply again. I also at the last form of Treasurer mister Mulligan, I sent him an email and asked how much these leases were costing the taxpayers of South Australia, seeing as how they hadn't risen for the last nineteen years and back in two thousand and seven. I believe they cost the people of South Australia about a half. 00:56:24 Speaker 20: A million dollars. 00:56:25 Speaker 17: So I asked him how many millions of dollars just as closed in the interim. He sent me an email telling me that because it was part of

Services Essay and Services Essay ran out of profit and he couldn't tell me how much it was actually costing the taxpayers of South Australia. 00:56:47 Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what dow and leave it with us. We'll get in touch with the Treasurer or the Premiers Department to find out exactly how much politicians are entitled to Lisa Carr and you're saying seven thousand dollars that way for many many years. We will do our best to find out. My number is eight double two to three double o double ow. We're going to take a break. 00:57:07 Speaker 2: Then. 00:57:08 Speaker 1: There's overwhelming support to bolster Australia's self reliance. It's been largely born out of the war in Iran, the fact that our fuel supplies have been placed in jeopardy. But should we be reintroducing our manufacturing industry. The Prime Minister has even said let's reboot the car industry. Is that likely? Is it possible? We'll speak with Back to Australia campaign correspondent Joe Hildebrand. 00:57:32 Speaker 2: Five Double A Mornings with Graham Goodings. 00:57:37 Speaker 1: Alexander on the text line says a six car accident Fullerton road Erbray outbound between Crossroad and Claremont Avenue. It's just happened, big delays. Thank you for that, Alexander. So if you can avoid the area Fullerton road Erbray outbound between Crossroad and Claremont Avenue, a six car accident and we'll bring you further information on that as it comes to hand. 00:57:59 Speaker 2: Well. 00:58:00 Speaker 1: Survey reveals an overwhelming majority of ossies now I want to focus on local manufacturing and reduce our global reliance. Back Australia conducted the survey. Joining me in ow is campaign correspondent Joe Hildebrand. Good morning to. 00:58:12 Speaker 7: You, good ak Graham. How are you mate? 00:58:14 Speaker 1: Good? Look, I'm pleased here. I think you know, we all would love to buy Australia and we all would love to see manufacturing go back to the halcyon days. It seems that more and more people are feeling the same way. Is it largely due to the around war that's caused this ground swell. 00:58:31 Speaker 7: Yeah, I think it is. 00:58:31 Speaker 21: We've traced it actually back to when we first launched the Back Australia campaign in October last year, and we were basically warning of this very thing. We didn't realize how prescyent it would be and how quickly and hard it would come. But we had a whole bunch of experts, including those people who helped rebuild Australian manufacturing capability after World War Two, talking about how vulnerable Australia was to international you know, supply shortages, choke points, instability, and because you know, we simply have lost that huge, as you said, that huge manufacturing capability we had in decades gone by. So you know, in the sixties, I suppose people might remember Australia was this huge, massive manufacturing powerhouse and we've now got a situation where we can't even make cars here anymore. 00:59:27 Speaker 1: I mean, we

had white industry. We made you know, back the ployers, We made washing machines, we made TV sets, you know, things today you tell young people about and they look at you saying. 00:59:38 Speaker 22: Really, that's right, that's right, And young people actually the biggest supporters of bigers join. Believe it or not, the millennials are the ones who are the most patriotic in their purchases, which I think would surprise a lot of people. 00:59:52 Speaker 21: Baby boomers, and I'm sorry to say my own gen X we're not so much. But that's I think that's because you know, when we of age, you know, it was the nineteen nineties, the Berlin Wall had fallen, it was pre September eleven. China looked like it was liberalizing and opening up, and so everyone just kind of thought, all right, well, this is the new world order. Then we'll know, we'll just buy whatever we want from whoever makes it cheapest and best, and we don't have to worry about having every Indeed, the idea of having sort of entirely self reliant national industries seemed a little bit old fashioned. And then of course we've had you know, China becoming more and more belligerent and using its trading power as a weapon, as an economic and strategic weapon to get what it wants. And we've had you know, a run blocking the Strait up hor moves and stopping twenty percent of the world's oil getting to where it needs to go. 01:00:50 Speaker 1: So yeah, well not only that, Joe, and we've we've got one of our key allies, the United States, imposing tariffs on us. 01:00:58 Speaker 7: Exactly, that's exactly right. 01:01:00 Speaker 21: And so suddenly this idea and we know, I hate to drop the sea bomb, but we know in COVID. Of course, supply chains immediately closed off and we couldn't. Ironically enough, one of the things we couldn't get was the protective equipment we needed to deal with COVID. So we do have to be a nation that makes things, and we have to make sure that if worse does come to worse, then we have everything we need here to be able to sustain ourselves. 01:01:27 Speaker 7: It's a matter of national. 01:01:29 Speaker 21: Security as much as it is as much as it is sort of our own economic benefits. So when you're buying Australian, you're supporting local industry. You're supporting local producers, supporting local manufacturers, and as we've seen in the long run, that's actually an investment in the future. Even if it may feel like you're paying a premium at the time. What you're doing is keeping these industries alive so that you know when something like Iran does happen, or something like Trump's tariffs does happen. 01:01:58 Speaker 7: We've still got all that stuff right here at our doorstep. 01:02:02 Speaker 1: So did you show So they show that people are prepared to pay a bit more to be a that's. 01:02:08 Speaker 7: Right, that's right. 01:02:09 Speaker 21: Yeah, And again it was the younger people who were most likely to be prepared to do that, and the older ones are less so. And again I think it's kind of it's a bit of a weird one grain, but it's a bit it's kind of a bit like virtue signaling. 01:02:24 Speaker 7: I think. 01:02:25 Speaker 21: I think the kids today they think about you know, and we all know they're anxious about everything and the world ending and blah blah blah blah blah, But they really they try to do the right thing, I think, and they and so they're actually really thoughtful with their with their purchases and wanting to make sure that you know, what little money they do have, because God knows, you know, they're going to struggle to buy a house that they're able to that they're they're doing the right thing with it. So I think it's kind of part of that sort of moral equation. But across the board, we've got people, you know, eight out of ten people who are just saying, look, we need to have a strong, resilient economy here that is self reliant, because you know, we've seen what happens when it's not. 01:03:14 Speaker 7: We're completely at the mercy of these global forces. 01:03:17 Speaker 21: And again, if you know it means we can take you know, strong stands on issues like you know, Iran. For example, Australia supported the US and Israel's attack on Iran because that is a barbaric, hideous regime that oppresses it and kills its own citizens. 01:03:36 Speaker 7: But if we're literally. 01:03:37 Speaker 21: Over a barrel and relying on everything that comes out of Iran, then we you know, that makes it hard for us to make those strong moral decisions. Same with China, you know, in their treatment of the wager population or invading Taiwan or whatever. If we're completely reliant on China for our own survival and we just have to roll over and let them. 01:03:58 Speaker 7: Tickle our belly. 01:03:59 Speaker 21: But if we're self reliant, self sufficient means we can have a bit of let in our pencil. When it comes to Australia doing the right thing. There is an area that I can see a crossover problem. I mean, we need to be self sufficient or as much as possible with fuel and energy that means oil. Now you talk about younger people, a lot of people, you know, want just to be renewable and go green and totally. But anyone who looks beyond the surface, scratches beneath the surface, knows without oil, this country will just totally grind to a hole. 01:04:32 Speaker 7: Exactly. 01:04:33 Speaker 21: So another perfect case in point, we've only got two oil refineries here in Australia, let alone the capacity to actually dig up and extract the oil that we've got underneath the ground or in our waters. And so you know, again you might say, oh, that's all well and good, we don't need that anymore. And indeed, with Australia's fuel reserves, part of what we were counting as our fuel reserves in it weren't even in Australia. You're saying, oh, yeah, we're just going to tick that box and that's but in fact, you know, it's what the Americans are holding for us. 01:05:06 Speaker 6: Well. 01:05:07 Speaker 1: Also

concerned me in that area with the oil coming here on chips, but we don't own those ships. And if coming out of Singapore full of oil, and they called up and said to the ship turned back, we need the oil back here in Singapore or somewhere in Malaysia or wherever we've got no control. 01:05:23 Speaker 7: That's exactly right. 01:05:24 Speaker 21: And again, you know, that's fine and dandy when everyone's getting along and holding hands and singing kumbe are. But if there is a global disruption and suddenly, you know, as you said, you know, Singapore says I actually sorry, we need the oil right here. Again, that makes Australia vulnerable when it doesn't have to be. 01:05:43 Speaker 7: And so. 01:05:45 Speaker 21: You know, you could say, well, it costs money to you know, to extract oil, or it costs money to refine. 01:05:52 Speaker 7: The oil here. 01:05:53 Speaker 21: But if suddenly your price of diesel or petrol generally is shooting up by a dollar or leader because you can't get it from anywhere else in the world, then that you know, that cost suddenly looks like a very smart investment in the future. 01:06:08 Speaker 1: Joe, you've been a huge supporter of back Australia, so you must be hardened by the reaction in particularly young people. 01:06:16 Speaker 7: It's been phenomenal. 01:06:17 Speaker 21: So we didn't even Firstly, we found that people have been even more inclined to support and buy Australia since we launched in October. So about nearly ten percent more people are now either always or often buying Australian compared to when we launched. And I think it's just one of those things that people want to do it and definitely will do it if they can, but sometimes they kind of don't know how to and it is really confusing knowing where everything comes from. And I think also this is why we're relaunching today, just to remind people, you know, not to do the whole you know, I told you so, but say this thing we were warning about, you know a little over six months ago. This is what happens when we do sort of you know, drop the ball or we don't kind of make sure that we're self reliant. And so this is what we have to do in the future to make sure we don't get caught again. 01:07:15 Speaker 1: We certainly can't become complacent. Great to chat, Joe, thanks for. 01:07:19 Speaker 22: Starving pleasure, Thanks as groam, Take care mate. 01:07:22 Speaker 1: Back Australia campaign correspondent, Joe Hildebrand. So what are your thoughts folks on us retooling so to speak? The Prime Minister suggested we rekindle reboot the car industry. Well, I think that quite frankly is a bridge way too far. I mean, why do we lose the car industry to start with? On the text line, actually, the unions made the car industry unviable. The production workers' wages were exorbitant, and this is that we cannot compete with Southeast Asian wage levels at all. I know, you know, things becoming more automated, robots are involved and so forth, but we've still got to pay for the technology and I really can't see that happening. Maybe we can build components, Not sure, so, he says, re manufacturing electric vehicles in Australia, this is a pipe dream. Let's think outside the square. Federal government should fund chocolate manufacturing in Queensland on a very large scale. Demand is very high and globally growing. That is really interesting. So this will become the chocolate capital of the world. What do you need for that? Coco is and cocoa beans. Where are we going to get those? From eight double two to three double o double is the number to ring On the text line, GG, can you play a doctor hook song? The lead singer, Dennis with that lovely voice, died recently, only in the last twenty four hours. When you're in love with a beautiful woman. Well, ms, I think we can do that for you. I remember seeing big fan of Doctor Hook and the lead singer was Dennis Lochreel you ah, yes, remember Doctor Hook And on the cover of the Rolling Stone they had some great songs. Dennis Lockria, the front man, has died at seventy six following a long and courageous battle with kidney disease. If you have a favorite Doctor Hook song, it was originally called Doctor Hook and the Medicine Show banned. They had lots of lots of fun song. Sylvia's Mother When you were in Love with a Beautiful Woman was probably the straightest song they sang. Very cute. Eight double two to three, double O, double oh is the number to ring. If you have a favorite Doctor Hook story, I do. Actually I saw them, remember seeing them here in Adelaide and the night of the performance it was on Hindley Street. I had to go into a chemist to get something and there was not Doctor Hook. But the guy that out of the patch over resign was it Roy Ray. Remember you had these snake skin boots. Something I'll never forget. Paul, good morning, Good. 01:09:44 Speaker 12: Morning, Graham Graham. This often referred to the reason the car industry in Australia died was because of the grave of the workers that were getting paid exorbitant to amounts of money to be manufacturing car is an absolute nonsense. Every major car manufacturer in the world has subsidized manufacturing at the behest of their government because they understood that this isn't something that you could not have in your country. You need advanced manufacturing, and car manufacturing absolutely fitted that fitted that case. The car industry Australian in Australia died under the Liberal government who said no more normal subsidization. If you can't compete with four dollars an hour labor from South Korea, then too bad. It's no longer able to be done. So when we talk about well, you know, we just buy from the cheapest supplier. 01:10:42 Speaker 9: That's what you get. 01:10:44 Speaker 12: Like, it's just a nonsense to say that the workers were the reason that the car manufacturing industry died. Look at the Americans, look at the Europeans, look at the Asians. They all subsidize production of motor vehicles

because they understand and the importance of having a manufacturing sector that is able to be tooled up as it was during the Second World War when lots of manufacturers went from manufacturing their ordinary product into arlaments and all the rest of it. 01:11:14 Speaker 1: So, Paul, do you think we should try and reboot the car industry here? 01:11:18 Speaker 12: We should absolutely have a look at the benefit of. 01:11:20 Speaker 15: Being able to do that. 01:11:22 Speaker 12: But you know, we've already got a base for it, Graham. I mean, we've got the manufacturing in Victoria where we're producing some of the safest and most relied upon military vehicles, the bush Rangers, I think, all the Bushmasters. 01:11:37 Speaker 8: I think they're called the bush Masters. 01:11:39 Speaker 12: Yeah, so you know we have the capacity to do it. We just need the political will and some sort of underwriting of the process that, look, we need to be able to manufacture in this country. We need to be able to manufacture at a high level. 01:11:54 Speaker 6: And if we. 01:11:55 Speaker 12: Don't subsidize it, if we don't support it, then we never have it. But we stand then that we are wholly reliant on overseas producers being a willing to sell to us and be the product actually being able to get here, and we found very clearly that that isn't something that we can rely on. 01:12:15 Speaker 1: Good on your Paul, you make some really interesting points there. So what do we think, folks, Should we try to revive the car industry along with other industries that we used to have. Patrick says, I have mostly purchased major appliances made in Australia. My current Westinghouse ovens are made in Adelaide. Still, is that right? Patrick? Good to hear Dave, good morning, Good. 01:12:35 Speaker 20: Gray twoed up the hook songs. Yea, I was stoned and I missed it. Yeah, and my baby makes the blue jeans. 01:12:47 Speaker 1: Talk dear memories, memories good. 01:12:50 Speaker 20: Now, they were one band I used to get into. But what I was trying to get into last week was just some stupid figures. We've got two hundred and ninety five thousand immigrants coming in, right, divide that by a family of four, so we've got to have seventy three thousand, seven hundred and fifty homes to house them. Yeah, right, And if you divide to make it a six family home, six the sixth family member, that falls down to forty nine thousand, one hundred and sixty six homes we've got to supply, right, Yeah, Now he figures more up you a little bit out. But in twenty two, tentyd and twenty five we only built thirty and a half thousand homes in South Australia. Right, So you divide those figures I gave you for family. Between the six states, we each get eight thousand, two hundred families. So out of that thirty and a half thousand, we've got to supply eighty two hundred homes for immigrants. 01:14:02 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, well yeah, I don't know about your your maths, Dave, but I think the average house

has two point four residents, so I don't think you've got to bundle in four or six. And yeah, but look, I must say I agree with Angus Taylor when you control immigration to the number of houses. If you don't have people or places for the people to live, you just don't allow them to keep coming in. Eight double two to three double double is the number to ring. Will take a break. The Prime Minister is in town holding a press conference alongside the Premier. We'll hear what he had to say after the break. 01:14:37 Speaker 2: Five Double A Mornings with Graham Goodings. 01:14:41 Speaker 1: Seven eleven five double A. Well, as I just said before the break, the Prime Minister is in town holding a press conference alongside the Premier. He's been asked if he will apologize for his broken promises. 01:14:51 Speaker 23: We've changed our position, and we've explained why we've changed our position because on Saturday we had young people trying to buy their own home with the roof over their head, not competing against someone who was an investor with the taxpayer providing them support. So the difference is that if the investor wants to go that one bit more and bid another twenty thousand dollars or another amount, they know that that leads to an increase in their tax deduction. So it's an unfair advantage that they have over people trying to secure a roof over their head. 01:15:35 Speaker 1: So Prime Minister, you're gonna apologize with breaken promises. Well there, it's not a breaken promise. We just changed our position. If we could all use that as an argument, what are your thoughts about mad folks eight double two to three double double doo. Well, one of the ceiling vessels to Ki is out of action due to mechanical issues. Let's find out what's happening and to find out when the new vessels come into service. The Mayor of Ka Council, Michael Pengully, Michael, good morning to you. 01:16:02 Speaker 15: Good morning, Graham Morning, your listeners, and yes they've changed their positions. But then he got one boat going today. 01:16:08 Speaker 1: Yeah, So did this come out of the blue or is just for maintenance or what's the situation. 01:16:12 Speaker 15: Well, they do do maintenance this time of year, Grahame, And in the past spots have gone to Port Lincoln or Adelaide. What they've been doing is doing maintenance on weekends here on one of the boats. I actually was away on Friday and came back subath afternoon. The Spirit of Ki was running. Sea Lion was in the pen having maintenance, scheduled to come back on but things went pair shaped. I understand oo late yesterday yesterday, and the vessel can't run. Got a problem. They're old boats. 01:16:47 Speaker 1: Now, and how well would they be Michael. 01:16:51 Speaker 15: Oh, twenty years, twenty years? But yeah, I don't look. I think the problem is grime, largely that there is a hiccup in the company they put buying the new boats or ordering the new boats back. Now we're stuck with the two older boats who are pretty tired. They're still running faithfully as they have done. But this was a problem that happened because of the age of the boats as much as anything Internally, there's no danger to anyone or to the boat, but it just can't run. It required some specialized welding. I believe they're hoping to put out a release at eleven o'clock. They've got to going get back to two boats. But more importantly, Graham, we've still got one boat that's doing pretty much everything. It's not the peak stock season at the moment. It's also not the peak visitor season. It has interrupted backwards and forwards for numbers of people who've had to change boats, will get delaid or come forward, and we're pretty used to that living where we do. 01:17:54 Speaker 1: So it's just I was just going to say, you must be hanging out for the new vessels when they you. 01:18:01 Speaker 15: Well, you know, you'll guest as good as mine on one's important ad laid. 01:18:05 Speaker 19: As you know. 01:18:08 Speaker 15: I'm sort of pretty hopeful that they be going early in the spring the problem will be gray and that we need those boats to be operational. If these are a bit sussed now, Because the livestock season really starts in September, there are tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of sheep and land go off the island. Cattle later on shearings and progress everything like that, so we do need them. We also have the visitor season picks up the internationals, so the sooner they get here the better. I guess it's become a bit of a standing joke as much as anything over here. And I notice one local Colo does some blogs. It's taking the mickey out of ceiling pretty regularly. They probably deserve it, but it's not the fault of many of the people that are there now, I'm afraid, of course. The other thing is that the staff, the people on the boats, crew the boats, and particularly the office stuff, they bear the bunch of people's aggression, and most people are fine. You know, we live on an island. We've only got boats, and you can't afford to fly, so it's a bit frustrating, and people get laid ordered they can't get on the boat that they book, so they get a bit cranky. 01:19:22 Speaker 1: Yeah, you've got two boats coming to service. There's one already import Adelaide. Why can't that come ato service alongside one of the old boats. 01:19:29 Speaker 15: No, they can't do that, great because the reports actually have to be changed. The current ferries have ramps on which operate the new ferries don't have ramps. They're bigger boats. So they've got to have a change over a period of four or five days where they take what's currently in position at Penchur and k Jervis adjusted by putting in the new ramps there. It's pretty much set up to have them blanked in, but it's going to take a while and they simply can't coexist. Is very frustrating. 01:20:01 Speaker 1: Okay, So what will the new vessels offer that the old ones can't other than reliability. 01:20:08 Speaker 15: More

room, more passengers, more freight space. They're actually going to be so instead of driving and backing on the boats or you know you can you do both here at the moment, you drive forward and go around the wings or your back down center the new ones you will drive on truck cars. Everything goes on there and drive off the other end. 01:20:29 Speaker 1: Sounds good, Michael, thanks for your time today. I hope they're up and running soon. 01:20:34 Speaker 15: Go more than I grime on Michael. 01:20:37 Speaker 1: Pangelli, the mayor of Kangaro Island Council. My producer Sam reckons that's got to be the best job going around, doesn't he, mayor of KI What do you reckon about that? Back after the News. 01:20:47 Speaker 2: Five Double A Mornings with Graham Goodings. 01:20:51 Speaker 1: As we enter the final hour of the show, still time for your calls on whatever it mean. We've been talking about whatever takes your Fancy'd love to hear from you. Eight double two three doubo doublo is the number, Roger says. While I'm not a fan of government industry welfare, as governments tend to pick winners, we have to face the reality of having to support vital industry to ensure the industry is there when we need it. Ed says, So Albo is trying to help the younger generation by offering five percent deposits on purchasing their first house. Whilst this sounds good, what about the same couple who finally can upgrade to a larger house then find out that they are subject to a thirty percent capital gains tax. This is a smoke and mirror's budget. Thank you for that ad that Ed, sorry not ad morning gg Albo believes in his own lies. He needs to go number one. I can't read out there. Dear, oh dear, Yeah, I'm sick of all this that the left or from the left, that the Libs killed car manufacturing. Anyone remembered the button plan ALP would have killed it off too. I think it was on Leon's program. Then Holden GM said no amount of money was stop GM closing. GM was screwing holding into the ground. Old Strata only really made cars for Austratia and New Zealand. Thank you for that, Well of founders. University researchers led by Professor Danny Eckert have developed a promising drug treatment for obstructive sleep apnea. Professor Eckert joins me in are professor, good morning to you and thanks for your time today. 01:22:20 Speaker 6: Very welcome and good morning to all. 01:22:23 Speaker 1: Let's start this off. What is sleep app There. 01:22:27 Speaker 24: Very common chronic respiratory disorder that results in the airway closing off again and again throughout the night, so anywhere from the back of the throat to the back of the nose, often associated with snoring. And as you can imagine, if this airway is closing and you're not getting enough air throughout the night, as happens for well over two million Australians and about a billion people around the planet, you feel pre ordinary during the day. 01:22:55 Speaker 1: Yeah, and there are no other necessary signs. I mean, how have you made aware that you've got it. Maybe your partner tells you that you stop breathing something like that. 01:23:04 Speaker 24: Yeah, Often it's pretty distressing for the bed partner watching your loved one stop breathing over and over again. Often associated with loud snoring too, which can be a disruptive trigger for all. And Yeah, also tending to feel waking up feeling unrefreshed, fatigued, often or on occasion that you can be waking up with headaches and just not feeling like you've had a good night's sleep, even though you've had enough time to get sleep. 01:23:35 Speaker 1: So how's it been feeded up till now? 01:23:38 Speaker 24: Most the first line treatment is continuous positive airway pressures therapy or SEAPAT, which involves wearing a mask blowing air into the airway. Developed here in Australia, helps millions of people around the planet. The problem is about half of those that prescribed SEAPAP are unaded. What would tolerate or use it a year out or so? This is where we've been looking at other alternatives, like there's dental devices that can help pull the jaw forward fitted by a dentist, and the work that we and others have been doing to develop some drugs that might help. 01:24:15 Speaker 1: Yah, So tell us about the drug you've been working on. 01:24:18 Speaker 24: So, along with my colleagues in Boston at the Brigham and Women's Hospital, we've been looking at what is neurochemically causing the muscles around the airway to relax when people go after sleep. And this is you know, the main driver of sleep up near. It's that narrow airway combined with the muscles not working well enough. So what we're found by taking two existing drugs, one is called a neurogenergic agent and the other is called it anti muscarinic, and we've put those together and it turns out they activate the muscles about three or four times higher when people go after sleep, and that's roughly harving people sleep out in their severity, which has been quite an exciting finding. 01:25:06 Speaker 1: So obviously you've been conducting trials the drugs that you're talking about. Are they acceptable? Can anyone take them? 01:25:15 Speaker 24: Look, they're not for everyone, and they are by no means perfect. But some of the side effects, for example, known side effects with these drugs by themselves, and we've combined them here and actually it's been taken further in larger trials and these agents have been modified slightly to try and optimize their benefit as well as minimize the side effects. But the sort of things you can have in terms of side effects, yes, they're waking up the muscles around the airway, but they can also wake up the brain a little bit, so if you're a light sleeper or have a bit of insomnia as well, these wouldn't be for you. The other things that can do a bit of a dry mouth, that's the muscarinic agent urinary hesitancy, because again that's how that. 01:26:03 Speaker 6: Drug works, and it can also raise your heart rate a

little bit too. So there're some of the most common. 01:26:09 Speaker 24: But they've just finished in the States two big what we call phase three clinical trials and thankfully there were no serious adverse effects in those six and twelve month studies. 01:26:23 Speaker 1: So how soon could this drug realistically be available to Australian sufferers of sleep open here. 01:26:29 Speaker 6: Look, that remains to be seen. 01:26:30 Speaker 24: The hope is that next year this will be going up to the FDA in America our TGA equivalent, and if it gets through there, the hope is that will pave the way for other places around the world, including Australia. 01:26:48 Speaker 1: I guess something like this would be majorly transformative, not only for the patient but for their bed partner. Look. 01:26:56 Speaker 24: Absolutely, it can affect every aspect of people's lives when you're not sleeping well and including your relationships. So yeah, this would be a welcome addition to the treatment toolkit, there's no doubt about it. 01:27:10 Speaker 1: Could it also be used for people just with a snoring problem or mild cases. 01:27:15 Speaker 24: Look, yeah, that has been looked at with this, So it does tend to reduce snoring as well. Now, with anything, you know, as we've talked about, there's a side effect profile, and so you'd want to be sure that the benefits are outweighing any of the potential risks. But what we've also shown in a separate study is looking at, you know, snoring in of itself, is actually if you snore regularly, even if you don't have sleep out here, that's a sign that you're working harder to breathe. You might be getting a disrupted night of sleep, and that if you're doing that regularly, that itself doubles your risk of having high blood pressure. 01:27:54 Speaker 1: Professor, thanks so much for your time today and well done with the research. 01:27:58 Speaker 6: Look, thank you very much, and sleep we. 01:28:01 Speaker 1: Never have best Professor Danny Eckert, Flinder's university research lead researcher. In fact, they're developing a promising drug treatment for obstructive sleep at Mere sounds like good. 01:28:11 Speaker 2: News five double A Mornings with Graham Goodings. 01:28:18 Speaker 1: At nineteen past eleven five double A this Monday morning. We'll take some calls shortly, so get on the line. Eight double two three double O double Oh. But first five double A's Best of Say is about celebrating and profiling some of the great brands in our states. Today we're celebrating phil Hoffman Travel. Phil Hoffman Travel trusted travel experts creating seamless, personalized journeys with care, insight and support every step. First caller on the line you could win one hundred dollars Phil Hoffman Varucher and two tickets to our Best of Say dinner. Eight double two three double O double five. Call right now, Peter, good morning. 01:28:55 Speaker 13: Good morning, Rayam. You're talking to the gentleman about the sleep at Yeah, right, I've got to sleep happy a machine because you know, years and years with the snoring and the wife's not being happy and stuff like that. I finally took the test and The scary part one is I was stopped breathing sixty times in an hour. 01:29:15 Speaker 1: Wow, once a minute. 01:29:17 Speaker 13: Yeah, And anyway, so I got the test and then so I got the machines and every since that we sleep in the same room because she's not getting nacky about the storing and it's cut the storing right out. And you'd get two machines. You get a little one that you can take away. But it was it's worth it. It's just like you, a happy wife, happy life, and it's really worked out. 01:29:41 Speaker 1: Well, it's great, is it the machine? Noisy? 01:29:45 Speaker 13: No, no, no, no. The first I did one about twenty years ago and it was so noisy. I took her back now with a new technology. No, you don't even know it's in there. And the other one's got you need water, filtered water. That's the home one. Then when you take away on holiday, he's got a little filter in the mask. You don't need the water. And it's about the same stay the containers about say two hundred one hundred wide, and you can take it on holidays which were on the cruise when you know, all over the place with it. But if if people, if guys are worried about the storing. Just get the test and you know, do the overnight sleep back in the test and you'll probably find out why, you know, you wake up grumpy. But no, it's all better. And like I said, I did six sixty times and then now my son was ninety times. And then now I stop breathing. 01:30:39 Speaker 1: Your idea, Yeah, well so worth it? Best to get a diagnosed is going to lead to worse things. Peter, good to hear. Thank you for your story, and maybe when the drug is available you can transfer to that more calls. Let's go out to Bellair and uh, Peter, good morning. 01:30:56 Speaker 25: How are you today, my combinists. In regard to what I've read in the tape, we heard a bit about our prime minister finally that someone's waking up with the fact that we ought to bring a bit of more manufacturing into the country. I think too many people that don't realize it a be a good thing, particularly the auto industry, which I always thought was pathetic, that have died out altogether. 01:31:19 Speaker 9: I really just know. I think they couldn't saddled up quick enough sometimes. 01:31:23 Speaker 1: But the other things, But can we compete with you know, Southeast Asia and China? I mean that they we can't compete with the wage structure and you know economies of scale that you know what we might produce fifty thousand eagles, they produce five hundred thousand. 01:31:38 Speaker 9: Yes, you're right there. But I think that it's something that, okay, we could look at seriously look at. Let's hope he's being honest with change. We can seriously look at and see if ways that it could be done. Maybe a little bit of government in you know, involvement financially or

something. But then there's you know, taxes and things to be considered. But I think, like any life, if you really want to do it, that's worthwhile. I think you achieve it, you do do it. 01:32:04 Speaker 2: Yeah. 01:32:05 Speaker 9: But the other thing we look at is like Irano, why can't we process uranium here? I'm sure that's been said before. There is all up in the coup of Australia. I think there are all of aal wells up there, but it's been kept quite generally, as we know, for a political reason. But the thing is not just cars. 01:32:23 Speaker 15: We could do. 01:32:23 Speaker 9: I'm sure we could do better than what we do with manufacturing, because it seems to be gradually fading away from this country. 01:32:29 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, there's no doubt about that, Peter. We've become a service state, or what we do is provide services and raw materials for other countries for their manufacturing industry. I mean, what do we produce. I mean, if you were around in the sixties and seventies, you'd remember that a huge white goods industry here in South Stradia, the Simpson Pope, there's Malley's here in South Stradia. Not sure it was, but refrigerators, washing machines, dishwashers, TV sets, you know, we made them all here in the Statia. We made cars, we made bikes, we made so many things. We made furniture. We still make some, but furniture and the like. But in a very small way, Australia had a very thriving manufacturing industry. We don't today. Can we revive it? And the government wants to try, and that's that's great. Let's hope they do. How much will they have to subsidize it? I don't know, but it's certainly worth looking at. David. 01:33:24 Speaker 4: Good morning, Hello Graham. 01:33:26 Speaker 26: You're talking about Lawyer earlier about dispressionary and family trust. Yeah, Will I had a little bit to do with Wills in the family you know, probably about ten or twelve and like where there's middle class Australia, we've never had discretionary or family trust. I think twenty ten wheels. We have a family or discretionary trust in that of my group of friends only worth about twenty million dollars as family and discretionary trust. And it's jumping up in an arm about the new legislation. 01:34:01 Speaker 1: Well, David, can I just interrupt a second because Rachel Rope, who is a wealth transfer lawyer, said she reckons ninety percent of wills today have testamentary discretionary trusts. 01:34:14 Speaker 17: Ninety percent, that's what she said. 01:34:17 Speaker 26: Ah, I'll have to google that after we hang up. 01:34:21 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, please do, please do. Unless I misheard her. 01:34:23 Speaker 9: Did you have it in your wheel brain? 01:34:26 Speaker 17: Do you have it in your will? 01:34:28 Speaker 9: No? 01:34:29 Speaker 1: I don't. 01:34:30 Speaker 21: No. No. 01:34:31 Speaker 26: Look, honestly, most normal Australian stone and half the don't go to lawyers. If you don't go to a lawyer, you don't have it. So there's many

people don't have wills. They do the online will all at cash it's twenty five dollars. And those who not involved discretionary and family trust. 01:34:52 Speaker 1: Oh thank you David. Okay, thanks for that. Yeah, all right, let's move on. 01:34:57 Speaker 8: Gail. 01:34:57 Speaker 1: How are you today? 01:34:59 Speaker 13: Really well? 01:35:00 Speaker 27: Thank you Graham, and I'm so happy to be how to get through. 01:35:03 Speaker 1: Oh you're our winner. Congratulations, congratulations Gail. Well you know what you're getting a one hundred dollar Phil Hoffman voucher two tickets to our Best of SA dinner. Have you been to an SA dinner? Bit best of SA dinner before? 01:35:16 Speaker 27: I actually have you? 01:35:17 Speaker 1: Ah, Well, you know what to expect them. That's a pretty good night out, isn't it. 01:35:20 Speaker 27: It's a lovely night. 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Make sure you come up and say hi. 01:36:11 Speaker 2: Yeah. 01:36:11 Speaker 1: I have heard a few of the things that are going to be happening. Because it's the fiftieth I'm in the Best of SA dinners always fantastic, there's no question about that, but this one is going to be even more so. Roger says, sir. While I'm not a fan of government industry welfare, as government tend to pick winners, we have to face the reality of having to support vital industry to ensure the industry is there when we need it. It is no question that we've found out how vulnerable we are now. There is no question at all that in the good old days, when the world was totally at peace and we didn't have our biggest ally in the US, imposing tariffs on us, we could rely on importing and exporting to countries around the world. But those days have changed, and the around war has highlighted the fact that we are in a very vulnerable and precarious state. First and foremost, we need to establish and stabilize our fuel supplies. And does that mean drill, Baby, drill? It seems more and more people are thinking that way Back shortly five Double A Mornings with Graham Goodings, Delta Goodroom Get It Out in a Minute, finished fourth in the Eurovision Song Contest her Big ballad Eclipse and uh well, the whole Australia was hanging on the outcome of the contest to finish fourth, great performance. Joel Creasy, he was a former host of the Australian Eurovision coverage, joined us now Joel, good morning to you. 01:37:36 Speaker 28: Good morning, very exciting results for Delta Goodroom, or, as Catherine Kim affectionately coined her, Delta Good Room. 01:37:45 Speaker 1: So why I mean fourth is a sensational performance? Any reason why you thought she just didn't quite go any further? 01:37:53 Speaker 28: I think we struggle to win the Telly boat, so I thought she was going to win. The jury boat came second. I'm quite cross with the UK jury for only giving us three points after we've given them Delta on neighbors for so many years, and then fourth in the televote, which is where we tend to struggle because people just don't seem to want to vote for Australia. But the results across the board were quite bizarre because Finland were the hot favorite to win, Delta was sitting second in the odds and I think they ended up placing about six or seventh Finland. 01:38:29 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, look from Afar, it seems like it's all very political. Would that be fair to say? 01:38:35 Speaker 28: Yeah, absolutely, there's voting blocks, and you know there's countries that always vote for each Cyprus and Greece always give each other their duz pois and the crowd cheers and booze at the same time. It's part of the sport of it. But yeah, it truly is like running a political campaign because artists like Delta. She put the time in and was going to Eurovision parties for about two two months prior to the show in Vienna over the weekend. So yeah, it's really about campaigning for those boats. 01:39:07 Speaker 1: So from Afar, how does a stray to even get to compete in Eurovision, which we sort of tend to think is all about Europe. 01:39:14 Speaker 28: Well, I think our reasoning has always been that with such a multi cultural nation that it's you know, a fantastic We've been airing it for so many years and people loved June in to see their home country compete. And then I think it's also down to the fact that we have always seemed really. 01:39:35 Speaker 9: Top notch artists. 01:39:36 Speaker 28: Yeah, because ten years ago was the year Darmi incame second, once again, stripped up by the televote. We san Jesca malboy guys to Bastian Kate noll A hiking in the past, so we've burnt our place and then we also paid to be in it like any other country, So I think that helped get us across the line. 01:39:55 Speaker 1: It's interesting, isn't I mean watching Eurovision it's not like the There are no you can't make it. It's not similar to anything else. Stuck for words here because it is. It's a glam fast it's it's it comes out of left field. 01:40:11 Speaker 2: You know. 01:40:11 Speaker 1: Some artists come on, you can say you've got to be joking.

Others are gobsmacking. You know. It is just a blemannge of amazingly different approaches. To talent. 01:40:22 Speaker 28: Yeah, it truly is, and being suck the words is kind of the ultimate compliment. Tip to Europe because that really is the point. And I commentated for eight years with Miss Warhurst. We would get so people would say to us, what you know Torino like when we were there, and we'd say that people, look, we can tell you what backstage at the convention center looks like. Because you get so invested and spend so much time thinking about it that you also tend to forget how absolutely ridiculous it is. And that Azerbaijani act is actually singing while there's a horse head up a ladder behind her and one year Italy had a dancing guerrilla behind him. You're kind of get indoctrinate and you're like, oh, no, this is totally normal. 01:41:04 Speaker 19: Yet I love this. 01:41:04 Speaker 28: STA should win. 01:41:06 Speaker 1: It is of I guess artists and countries have got to come up with new ways, because you know, we need to be shocked or thrown off course, given a reason to go wow, take another. 01:41:19 Speaker 28: Look, oh big time. Because a few of the artists in recent years, we Netherlands one with Dunclan Lawrence. That song Arcade, it's so big, it's first, then tune of maths. These days and you know, Manuskin and so many artists are now using it as a platform for more of a commercial future. But yeah, Bulgaria winning it's their first win and the song bangerrang I kind of love because it really is back to that traditional crazy Eurovision type artists that I grew up loving and is one of the reasons that yeah, you're right. It makes it so hard to explain because it is a competition. 01:41:59 Speaker 19: Like no other. 01:42:01 Speaker 1: So do many of the artists that when Eurovision go on to have you know, hugely successful careers. I know some do, but in the main they seem to vanish without trace. 01:42:11 Speaker 28: Yeah, no, it's correct, it's honestly, not winning tends to at times help. The Eurasian fans are incredibly passionate, and I found that out the hard way when I mispronounced you know, the odd country or artist's name. Who's got you know, four hundred continents in one vow, so Lobe apologies for that. They really like to let you know when you get it wrong. But yeah, those fans are with you for life. And I think Delta, who already was very big in Europe, has done herself a world of favors with this, and I saw she put a tour on sale and three Europe and it sold out within seconds. Go Delta, and I love the song Eclipse. It was very kind of like people were saying it was a bit old school, but I like that and she really threw a lot of money at it, so it was epic. 01:42:58 Speaker 1: Oh, there's no question Delta's an absolute superstar. And she's not ugly either, which probably helps. 01:43:04 Speaker 28: Oh, She's one of those people. And when I in computed her the other day and she popped up on Zoom from Vienna. She's so breastaking and then she's funny and can sing. It's not fair some of the rest of us. 01:43:15 Speaker 1: Yeah, some people have got everything that they I mean, if she'd won Eurovision, I mean that would be the living end. Surely. 01:43:21 Speaker 28: Yeah. Absolutely. The placing four in the Grand Final is such an epic result, particularly when you think the odds are already stacked against sure but even Graham Norton said to me that he thought Delta was going to win, and he traditionally hasn't been super kind to Australia in his commentary and Mith Warhurst and I always returned the favor by not being particularly kind to the UK. 01:43:44 Speaker 1: Do you miss those years of hosting? 01:43:47 Speaker 28: I do, particularly working with myths. But I saw the Eurovision film with Will Ferrell and I was like, oh, hang on, no, no, no, this isn't true. Those commentary booths do not look like that. They are not really curious for more of a sweatbox type situation. 01:44:04 Speaker 1: Over the years, Who would have been your favorite act and did they win? 01:44:08 Speaker 20: Oh? 01:44:09 Speaker 28: That is such a tough one. I was lucky enough to be there the years that Loreen, who competes with Sweden. She is a two time champion. She won with You four, which is widely considered to be the greatest Eurovision song of all time. And then I was in the arena when she won with her song Tattoo, where she had this very interesting prop piece where she essentially looked like she was being sandwiched in a Panini press. And I always liked the Cypriot acts as well because I always send you a Beyonce style hair whipping fabulous ladies. So Lenny Ferrera song Fuego from a few years back, that is one of my other favorite. 01:44:47 Speaker 1: So Australia that said a pretty high benchmark or Dammy Ene came second, Delda fourth, Go who should we send next to you? 01:44:54 Speaker 28: Great question. Well, the thing is I was thinking, when you win Eurovision, you tippy don't want to win it two years in a row because it becomes very expensive to that country. So I was thinking, had Delta one, we should send Katherine Kim And now I'm thinking Form is good enough, send him anywhere. 01:45:15 Speaker 1: Ah, lovely stuff. Good on your Chiel, grade. 01:45:17 Speaker 19: The chat you very much. 01:45:19 Speaker 1: Former host of Australia's Eurovision coverage of the Eurovision Song Contest. It's always interesting. I've found it very hard to sort of. I always get stuck for words because I look at it on gobsmacked and I think, do I hate this? Do I love it? What's all about? I'm certainly not getting up at five thirty in the morning. Did you get up five thirty to see Delda's performance or whatever time it was. Did you cheer her on? I mean, she just looked fabulous. There was great presentation, great song, she is superb and did the nation proud. But yeah, I just don't quite get Eurovision. It's one of those It's one of those events that, yeah, quite grasp. I do

other matters cases high gram. So a promise has been made in the past that is wrong for the current situation, So people would prefer to run with the now wrong promise rather than change track with a more suitable arrangement. Not me, kay, you're talking about the Prime Minister and the Treasurer lying and changing their minds. Now there's a little bit of difference here when you sort of say, if it's wrong for the current situation, they said less than twelve months ago. No, no, no, No changes to capital gains tax, no changes to negative gearing. What changed in twelve months you tell me? And no matter which way the Prime Minister tries to spin it, he lied. He lied, and it will not be easy for anyone to take anything he says seriously, because he could turn his turney's back on it and say, oh no, well we've changed our mind. Well you can come up with any policy you like and then change your mind. Not for me, Angus Taylor spoke a short time ago on the Golement's broken promises, and this is what he had to say. 01:47:03 Speaker 29: There's nothing labor doesn't want a tax because it needs the money. But perhaps the biggest tax of all is labour's inflation. 01:47:13 Speaker 6: Tax because every. 01:47:15 Speaker 29: Single year Australians are paying a higher and higher income tax rate because of inflation, more and more of their income being pushed up into higher tax brackets, and yet they're no better off than they were because of inflation. Because of inflation, and labor's relying on this out over the weekend. 01:47:36 Speaker 6: They're telling us that. 01:47:37 Speaker 29: This is worth billions and billions of dollars to them, and they don't want it to go. They want to be able to increase income tax rates without going to an election, without being accountable, without being transparent about it. 01:47:52 Speaker 1: Liberal leader Angus Taylor, coalition leader, on a bit of a roll. I think it'll be fair to say I don't think anybody well fair to say the majority people didn't have a necessarily all that high opinion of Angus Taylor when he took over leadership. He was a bit bland and colorless. I think his performance on Thursday night was exceptional. It was very good. He touched all the right buttons. Now whether he can back that up is another matter, but I think he actually performed pretty well. What do you think eight double two to three DOUBLEO double low on the text line. I know people have been on work cover over twenty four years. They all jumped on it when the floodgates were open. They have their own doctors. So the lucky country was born. Thank you all they say, or thank you Australia. Jay says. If we want to have manufacturing back in oz, we need cheap electricity. Each state government needs to build gas power stations powered by cheap gas. Gas companies should be forced to supply cheap gas to all households, businesses and manufacturers if they want to make billions from exporting our gas hence cheap electricity to ramp up manufacturing here in Australia. And that Jay does concern me. I must say that if we want to attract manufacturing back to Australia, we want to be competitive. One of them. You know, put wages aside, because you can say, oh we have AI, now we have robotics and so forth. We don't need the number of people on the on the workfloor, but we do need power. And when you compare power prices in Australia to those in countries that we'd be competing with, we become non competitive. 01:49:25 Speaker 30: John, good morning, Oh hi Graham, I did get up for the Vision song contest. 01:49:32 Speaker 5: What time was it, Oh five o'clockish, I got it early. 01:49:37 Speaker 21: Yeah. 01:49:37 Speaker 30: Look, it's just the Kaleidoscope of voyeurism. 01:49:40 Speaker 9: It's just one crazy. 01:49:42 Speaker 1: That's the way to put it. A Colliders gave of virism. 01:49:44 Speaker 30: I love it now, just in h with Delta's performance. You know, she was really worthy of winning that. But I heard that some of the audience voting didn't think that Australia should be in it. She didn't get the votes to win. 01:50:02 Speaker 1: Yeah, look, I wouldn't be surprised. I mean it does seem from afar that it's a bit unusual the Eurovision Song contest centered around Europe and the country as far as way as Australia is competing, So I can understand it if some countries say, hey, what's it to do with them? 01:50:16 Speaker 30: That's right, but it brings us all together and it's just a whole lot of crazy fun. 01:50:20 Speaker 1: So but yes, I did get good on you, John, Thanks for sharing that story. I really appreciate it. Kaleidoscope of voyeurism. Oh yeah, oh yeah. Morning after watching great documentary on AI. It got me thinking if AI and robotics eventually replace eighty percent of jobs and these robots are not paid wages, then who will actually buy the products and services? AIS producing companies are investing enormous amounts of money into creating super artificial intelligence, and doing so they could end up destroying the very consumer markets their profits depend on. If people no longer have jobs or income, where does the purchasing power come from. AI robots themselves won't create profits unless humans still have the money and credit to buy what's being produced. And we are worried about oil vents? No, well thought out? Yeah, that you make a really good point. Look going back a few years, I remember thinking of them before AI was a thing about robotics taking over. The only way you can overcome that is a robot tax. I mean, if workers have to pay tax, why not for every robot that takes over a company has to pay a robot tax. Now, if it doesn't work out equitable and fair, they sorts, Oh, I want to be cheap and employed people. How horrific that would be. We'll employ the people instead of the robots. But if the robots are taxed and it's more a better economic position, well, the workers will lose their jobs, which are they going to do anyway? But why not tax the

robots makes sense? Here are you good. 01:51:57 Speaker 15: Morning Ryan, all of us. 01:52:01 Speaker 10: It's over seas in Africa at the moment, there's no cure for a vaccaine. The current strain is bigger than ever, which we know through climate change or the divirus are. 01:52:10 Speaker 15: Changing their their way of. 01:52:14 Speaker 10: Their their attack on the human body. 01:52:16 Speaker 1: Why do you think that's climate change causing that? 01:52:19 Speaker 10: Well, temperatures and everything else happening that. I can't remember the name. 01:52:24 Speaker 15: There's a specific word for it. Now there their strength put it that way. I can't remember. There's a name for it medically, but they change his strength. 01:52:36 Speaker 10: This one's quite serious, is that update with the current strain? And I know a few African people living in Adelaide here which your cares, et cetera, and they go over seas to Africa probably two or three times a year. I'll catch up with family and holidays, et cetera. 01:52:52 Speaker 14: Now, like any other. 01:52:53 Speaker 10: Country, this could spread, but it's a very very deadly one. 01:52:58 Speaker 15: Are they going to. 01:52:59 Speaker 10: Could try about of people traveling in there in Africa to Australia through the travel system of airplanes and boats. 01:53:09 Speaker 1: That's a fair question, Huie, That is a fair question. Anyone traveling to an area where there is evidence of ebola, they should be under strict health conditions. Thanks for bringing that to our attention. I'm sure the health authorities are all over it, because we certainly had say it's to twelve on five Double A News at twelve. Then after one it's Stacy Lee. She joins me. Now, Stacy, how are you. 01:53:32 Speaker 31: Hello, Graham? 01:53:33 Speaker 1: I'm good. 01:53:33 Speaker 31: How are you good? 01:53:34 Speaker 1: I know you were listening to something in your phone? There can I no, I know you're tapping into something. What's going on? 01:53:40 Speaker 24: Yes? 01:53:41 Speaker 32: Well, the Premier has held a press conference today and he was asked to respond to the claims that Dave made on The Brecky Show about people attempting to dox him online. All right, yeah, so, for those who don't know, doxing is when you post someone's private personal details online, either an address or a phone number, or information about someone's family. And apparently some or at least one of the protesters for the North Adelaide golf course redevelopment had posted online asking for the premier's address. 01:54:16 Speaker 1: Seriously, yeah, why would you go down that path? 01:54:19 Speaker 32: And you know, even more disturbing mentioning in the post, his wife and four kids as well, which is just totally unnecessary and it just I think it just puts a sour taste in everyone's mouth. No matter what you think about the redevelopment, no matter what you think about the trees. We know there are people on both sides. Some people want the development to go ahead, some people don't. But that is not the way to go about it. Violence is not the way to go about it. Encouraging violence or searching for the premiere of the state's address is not the way to go about it. 01:54:51 Speaker 1: That is a totally low blow. And as I agree with you, it doesn't matter which side of the fence you sit, whether you're pro or anti, you don't do things like that. That is here. 01:55:02 Speaker 31: It's off. 01:55:02 Speaker 32: So he's responded to that. I'll have his response on the program this afternoon. The Prime Minister's also in town, so we'll find out what he was here for and what he had to say. 01:55:12 Speaker 31: And maybe he was asked a little bit about broken promises. 01:55:15 Speaker 1: I think he might have been, well, they weren't broken promises, they've just changed our view on things idea, I mean, playing with words. 01:55:24 Speaker 32: Yeah, yeah, So we'll talk about all of that. There's also a report out today that you could save up to four hundred and fifty dollars a year on your phone plan by shopping around that. 01:55:35 Speaker 31: Much, which is something that I have recently done. 01:55:38 Speaker 1: Oh really, and you've saved a lot. 01:55:40 Speaker 32: I've saved a lot of money just by not going with one of the three major phone providers Telstra. 01:55:47 Speaker 31: It's huge and. 01:55:47 Speaker 32: You you know, a lot of people say, well, I need to go with Telstra or Optus because I maybe live in a regional area and I only get reception with a certain provider. 01:55:57 Speaker 31: And I can understand that, but a lot of people don't know that. 01:56:00 Speaker 32: There are a number of smaller providers out there. 01:56:03 Speaker 31: Who use the same network. 01:56:08 Speaker 1: Network. 01:56:08 Speaker 31: Yeah, so I'm on. 01:56:09 Speaker 32: One of those smaller providers which uses the Telstra network. But my plan's thirty five dollars a month instead of eighty five dollars a month. 01:56:15 Speaker 1: So how can they do that when you appeel it back? If they're using the facilities and resources of a big provider, they'd have to be paying for that, and yet they can still charge you. 01:56:26 Speaker 31: Less, significantly less, dear Idea. 01:56:28 Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's good, good story. 01:56:30 Speaker 32: So we'll talk about that this afternoon. And work out how you can save money on your phone bills. Doctor Derek with pet Talk. The Opposition was out today talking about school zones. So we've asked for the Road Safety Minister because it's Road Safety Week this week. 01:56:46 Speaker 31: So there's a lot going on. 01:56:48 Speaker 1: Yeah, and people are still confused over road driving down Port Road. This has been this way for about three weeks. Now, get to near Dan Murphy's heading out there, yep, and there's a sign up up to forty ks. Never any worker is there, nothing happening for three weeks. It turns out that there's a road plate on the right hand lane, and I mean a road plate which is probably not the length of a car, And so traffic is being disrupted and people are ignoring it now, which is dangerous because one day there could be workers there. But for three weeks everyone is having to slow up for this about two hundred meters section because one tiny little road plate in the in the right hand lane and the three lane you know, I mean. 01:57:29 Speaker 31: How long does it take to get something like that fixed? 01:57:31 Speaker 1: Well, exactly on a main. 01:57:33 Speaker 32: Road like Port Road as well, there would be hundreds of cars traveling down there every day. 01:57:36 Speaker 1: Hundreds of thousands effectively, Yeah, tens of thousands anyway. Yeah, but that's they're the frustrations and that's why people break the lawn and say, look, you know, I've been going down this stretch of road. There's been no work going on, nothing happening, and all of a sudden there's a worker there, but you know, you know, so it's like anyway, Yeah, annoying on. 01:57:53 Speaker 31: Road Safety Week. All of this. 01:57:55 Speaker 32: Plus we're honoring Phil Hoffman travel today for best of say and I've got I've got a luggage gift pack to give away. 01:58:01 Speaker 31: This afternoon as well as tickets to our Bosa. 01:58:03 Speaker 1: Dinner brilliant look out for it. Got on your Stacy station coming up this afternoon after one o'clock, just about time to go morning Grant. Politicians also made promises then break them, So what's new. Well, does that mean that we should forgive them for a john, No, we should hold them to account. If politicians break promises, we hold them to a card. And robots were already used extensively at General Motors Mitsubishi, Ford, Toyota. Still wasn't enough money in it with Australia cost of doing business. Thank you very much for that yes, a lot of areas that we didn't quite get to. Thank you very much for all the texts. We can never get through them all, I'm afraid to say, but keep sending them in and we'll try to get to them. Just about time to go as we go. Today, somebody highlighted the fact that Dennis Lockria, the front man of the nineteen seventies band Doctor Hook, has died the age of seventy six, following a long and courageous battle with kidney disease. He performed alongside Ray Sawyer, who died about for a five years ago. They were originally called Doctor Hook and the Medicine Show Band, always a fun group. The cover of The Rolling Stone Sylvia's Mother, When You're in Love with a Beautiful Woman, famous for some great songs, Have a Great Day back Tomorrow.