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Hello and welcome to Mental Health Matters with me, Dr.
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Audrey Tang.
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And me, Judith Crozier.
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This is the show where we talk about all things mental health and well-being, but we steer clear of your hot takes and your quick fixes.
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We have people on who are either living the lives they're talking about or they've really, really researched it for all of their lives.
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And so what we bring you is researched and thought-through and evidence-based support when it comes to well-being.
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And we have got a, she's she's been on the show once before, but she's already top of the list of the favourites.
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She is absolutely fabulous.
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We have got Amy Rebecca joining us again.
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Now, the last time we saw her, she had set herself this year's This Time Next Year challenge of just being that little bit better this time next year than she was at that moment.
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And it's halfway through the year, so we're checking back with how she's doing.
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But with that, what are your thoughts on setting yourself long-term goals as opposed to in three weeks I will?
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Um personally, I'm really rubbish at that.
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I I want to do everything now.
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I need I need to see results.
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Now I'm very, very um I find it very difficult to have long-term plans like that.
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Um I imagine you're really good at that.
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Kind of seeing into the future and kind of knowing how you're gonna get there.
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I've worked at it.
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I'm very instant gratification.
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Oh, okay, so same.
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Yeah.
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And so speaking with Amy the last time, I have changed that in my mindset, or been working on changing that in my mindset, that if I want to make a change, I would just do something consistently and see what happens, as opposed to I'll do something consistently and look at results.
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Because at the end of the day, actually, I I don't I'm not gonna notice the results every single day.
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No, but after a while, I might look at so I've started strength training this year, and I I literally I only do it once a week because I cannot fit it in more.
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But on a couple of occasions when I've worn certain outfits, I've just gone, um, okay.
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That looks all right, I can see the definition.
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Yeah, and that didn't isn't gonna happen week on week, you're never gonna see that week on week, but consistently once a week, and sometimes I don't feel like going, but I go.
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So it's that's one change I've had to make.
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Yeah, and I think as well, like I've noticed the change in you, I've noticed like maybe you're sit back sitting back and watching what happens more about things, just the conversations that we've had.
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I have noticed that.
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Um so so that's interesting as well.
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So you've it's an active decision to have done that.
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Yes.
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And the other thing that I think is really interesting when it comes to change is that uh I was having a conversation with some friends um over the weekend, and one of the things they talked about was celebrities who talk about only all the good stuff.
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They don't want to talk about their bad films and the things they've done.
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But actually, I think that's part of who you are.
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And I think if we r resent some of that, we're taking away so much of what makes change possible for other people and inspirational and part of the process.
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Yeah, I agree, and I think some celebrities want to, they don't want to have the image of themselves kind of broken.
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I'm just thinking of Hugh Grant.
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He's so self-deprecating, I love it, because he will talk about all the rubbish things that he's done.
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But you're right, generally they don't want to.
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You can't just go, oh, I just did this blockbuster.
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No, you did, you did an advert as well, and you looked awful in that.
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You know, whereas I think um Simu Liu, I love him.
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Um he was in um Barbie, he was he's he's Shang-Chi um in Marvel.
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He posted, he did work for Shutterstock.
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So there's memes of him in a Zumba outfit.
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It's just like I was young, I needed the work, and there will always be these memes.
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They'll be there forever.
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Exactly.
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And then um Jay August Richards today on social media, he posted, and it was great, he started off by saying, you know, it's something I've just gotta get off my chest here.
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People keep referring to me as all of these old roles that I've played before.
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And I love it! And it's it's so great because it's refreshing.
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It's respectful of this is your journey.
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Yeah, it's actually you didn't just step
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No, everyone had a really hard journey, but they don't want to for some reason they don't want to talk about it.
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And I think we should a bit more often.
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And to talk about that journey, let's bring on Amy.
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Welcome back, Amy! It's so great to see you.
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It is so lovely to be back.
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I'm so glad and excited that you wanted me back again because you know I love a chat.
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Oh, and we want to check in on you.
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Now I have been following your Instagram, so I know you've been doing amazing, amazing things, and I can't wait to hear all about them.
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So let's just go straight in with this.
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At the start of this year, and you can go back if you're just tuning in now, go and watch our previous show with Amy.
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You said this time next year my life will be different, and today we're halfway through.
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So the question is is it getting there?
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And how is it getting there?
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It is getting there, um, but in a way that I feel like a lot of people wouldn't expect.
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Oh.
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Um, so I like to do something, as you know, we talked about it last time called the This Time Next Year Challenge.
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It's about small, sustainable changes and doing one small positive action a day.
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I think a lot of the time on social media, the things that people really lean into are things like I doubled my income in three months, I lost 100 pounds in you know, six months.
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I've completely changed my entire life in 30 days.
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And we're drawn to those stories because we wish it was that simple.
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And we we would love to wave a magic wand and see drastic overnight changes.
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But the changes in my life, while they have made an impact, they've been really small and they've been really subtle.
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But that's the way I like it because that's what keeps it sustainable.
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Yes, absolutely.
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And one thing I noticed on your Instagram, and I really respect you for doing this, is you you had a bad day.
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Yeah, and you and you you were really open and honest about that, and I think that's so important.
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So, do you mind sharing just uh I know I've I've got another question coming up, but do you mind just sharing a little bit about that and how it felt to share something that other people would hide?
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Yeah, I
think it's important.
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I think you know, when you the first thing you want to do when you're celebrating a big moment or you're hitting a milestone or you're out with your friends and your makeup looks fantastic, is pull out the camera and post that to social media.
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That feels very natural to us.
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Um, it doesn't feel so great when you are tired, you're irritated, you've had a bad morning, I had a headache because I've been crying, and I just wanted to be left alone, and I just wanted to feel sorry for myself.
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And I thought, no, this is actually a really good moment to share that even though in many aspects of my life I'm making progress, I genuinely am happier now than I have been probably ever in my adult life.
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That doesn't mean that every day is perfect, it doesn't mean that I don't have bad days, and I thought that that was a really good teaching moment as well, because previously, if I'd had a bad morning, I would want to write off the rest of the day and suck.
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But what I did was I said to myself, no, you're gonna get up and you're gonna do your one small positive action, even though I don't feel like doing it, even though I really just want to sit in bed instead.
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Um, and being able to show that to people in real time, I think is important because it's easy to say, oh, pull yourself up and you know, try and find a positive way to take back control of the day.
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But when you're actually modeling it for people and showing, like, hey, I don't want to do this, but I'm gonna do it anyway, makes people feel like, yeah, okay, I can do that too.
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Yes.
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And something that you said in that video, which I think was so important, is I'm gonna do this positive action and reclaim the day.
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It was such an inspiring and really sort of thought-provoking statement because it is I'm not gonna let this day rule me, I'm gonna reclaim it.
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I think that was absolutely brilliant.
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So I've got a this is a slightly off-kilter question, but I think it's something that a lot of people will resonate with this, and a lot of leaders that listen to this show will also resonate with it.
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Are you becoming the person you said you would be, or are you just staying busy?
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Now I suspect I know the answer from you, Amy, but what danger is there that people are just being busy?
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They're not actually changing anything fundamental, but what they're doing is they're, oh, I'm just doing this or this project or that project just to keep saying that I'm doing something, but it's not actually making the change in there.
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Yeah, I think that really speaks to the idea of toxic productivity as well, and the idea that you need to fill every moment of every day with something productive.
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And I think there's a really big difference between being productive with your time, quote unquote, and being intentional with your time.
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And I always strive to be intentional with my time.
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I once a month I will set aside a day and I call it my intentional rest day, where I lock it off, and the only, only outcome of that day is just to do whatever my brain and body need.
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And some days I'll think I really need to go out for a run.
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Some days I think I actually need to sit in my pajamas and watch Real Housewives for four hours and order a pizza.
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And there's no judgment because even though that's not productive, it is intentional.
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It's not accidentally doom scrolling for three hours.
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I'm saying to myself, no, this is what I want to do with that time.
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And I think there's a big distinction between those two things.
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Huge, absolutely huge, and also it is so easy to get into doom scrolling and go, oh no, I'm just resting.
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It's kind of like, no, I think you're distracting yourself.
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Very different.
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So no brilliant, I love it.
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Intentional rest.
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Yeah, I love it.
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I'm gonna use that phrase from now on.
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I do love that.
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So for you then, what does change actually look like?
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Now you're at the halfway point.
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Yeah.
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Well, it feels it's funny because I was putting together a little YouTube video for this the other day, kind of my mid-year reflection.
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Um, and the surprising thing about it is that I sat down and I thought, oh, do you know what?
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I haven't really changed very much, I haven't really achieved very much.
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What the heck am I gonna say in this video?
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And then I went back through all of my, like I've got um a planner where I keep track of all of the things that I'm doing, and I went through my photos, my videos, and I was shocked at how much I'd actually achieved and what I'd done.
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And I think that really speaks to the fact that sometimes you can be so focused on looking forward that you forget to really think about how far you've come.
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Yeah.
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So one
of the big things I realized was how massively my confidence has improved.
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That's one of the big things I wanted to work on this year is being more confident around new people, being more confident in public speaking, and just generally, I am an introvert.
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I am terrified most of the time when I'm talking to new people.
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Um, and just reflecting on, you know, how many new conversations I've started, how many new people I've introduced myself to, how many times I've got up on a microphone and spoken in front of a room full of people, and I thought, oh my gosh, I would have completely taken all of that for granted because you do it and then you move on.
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Yes.
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That sounds amazing.
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And and I think as well, what I was thinking about when you were talking is because you've made little changes along the way, it's easy to go, oh yeah, I haven't really done anything.
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It's not till you go back and look at it.
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So wow, well done you.
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I think that's amazing.
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So when you were beginning, then what were you confident about?
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Um, you know, looking forward, oh yeah, I could definitely do that.
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Um and was there anything that conversely you underestimated that you are really good at that you didn't think you would be?
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I mean, you touched on public speaking.
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So one of the things I knew that I would be good at the consistency aspect of was um working on my fitness.
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That's something that I've been working on for the last few years, and I've kind of got finally to a point where it's ingrained.
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So then it was a case of saying, like, okay, where is the next big area going to be so I can build on top?
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I think a really important thing is to always be working in terms of like building a foundation of one thing, and then once you've got that nailed, move on to the next rather than trying to change a bunch of things at once.
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Um, so yeah, this year's big challenge was working on my confidence.
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Like I said, I knew that was gonna be hard.
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Um, I knew that was gonna push me so far out of my comfort zone.
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Um, but yeah, when I was reflecting on it the other day, I was quite surprised by how how far I've pushed myself this year.
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Yeah, I think that's really special.
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And so I would even say your process of change, of journaling, of recording it, of having all of that to look back on is actually really important.
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And so when people say, Oh, I don't have time to write a graphic journal, whatever, I that sometimes think it's helpful because you can look back on it and recognize, oh, I was thinking like this at the start of the year, and actually now I'm doing those things.
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So your process is fantastic too.
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So we're keeping you, Amy.
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We'll be back just after a clip from the last time Amy was on the show.
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I think a lot of content now that we see people putting out feels um aspirational in a way that is um it's almost makes you feel bad about yourself.
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Like as if my life is supposed to be envied by other people who don't live that life.
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Yes.
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And it can make people feel really badly about themselves.
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And so I'm very much open, honest.
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I will, especially on my TikTok, sometimes I think, wow, that is a bad angle.
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I've got no makeup on, I look like a hot mess, and I'm I've just had a panic attack in my car, but I'm gonna post it anyway because it's real.
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Because ultimately, my whole message is I am just an average girl.
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I am just average.
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And anything that you see me do or accomplish, or anything that you see that I'm doing, and you think, oh, I'd love to be able to do that, you can because I have.
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And I am no different from you.
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So my lifestyle is very ordinary, very average.
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You know, I work a nine to five.
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If I can do this, so can anyone, and that's the message I want to get across.
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Welcome back to Mental Health Masses.
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We are here with Amy Rebecca, and we are checking in on her this time next year challenge.
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We are halfway through the year, it's been quite a year so far.
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So the first question now, Amy, is have you learned something about yourself over the last six months or so that's really surprised you?
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Or maybe more than one thing.
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Um, yeah, I've uh become brave somehow.
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I've become braver than I realized.
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And when I had this moment, going back to what we were saying earlier about sometimes you don't notice how far you've come.
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I had a bit of a come to Jesus moment earlier in the year where alongside doing the this time next year challenge, I also, because I'm a glutton for punishment, I like to do one thing every year that absolutely terrifies me to my core.
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Because I think the more I can push myself out of my comfort zone, the bigger my comfort zone will become.
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So this year, um, my dance teacher said, We've been invited to perform in a variety show.
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Now I've been going to this dance class with these same girls for years.
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I love it, but only because I've been going for years with these same girls who I know well, and there's no judgment, and no one is, you know, I'm not up on stage, no one's looking at me.
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That's fine.
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And I thought, you know what?
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Yes, sign me up, I'll do it.
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This can be my one scary thing of the year, and then immediately realized I wasn't afraid.
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I thought even standing backstage waiting to go on, I wasn't afraid, and I kept waiting for the fear to kick in, and it didn't, and it made me realize that this process is actually working.
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My comfort zone is getting bigger, and I've built up this resilience to things that would have terrified me in the past.
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And it was weird.
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It was weird how not scared I was.
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Oh no, I think that is wonderful because this is something we say as coaches all the time.
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You've got your comfort zone, which sits here, you've then got your stretch zone, which is the next bit.
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And actually, stretching, if you think about yoga or dance, it feels quite nice as long as you don't overstretch.
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Yeah.
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And then if you overstretch, you're in the panic zone.
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The panic zone's where you have accidents, things happen, it pushes you right back to your comfort zone.
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So you can't jump from I've never danced before in my life, into oh yeah, I'm gonna do a solo performance.
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It's not gonna work.
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However, if you've been pushing yourself and attending classes and being consistent and doing all the other stuff that is pushing you into the stretch zone, actually your comfort zone has now become your stretch zone.
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And so what would have panicked you before has become the stretch zone.
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Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
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So I think you are a world walking example of that working in practice, and I think that's absolutely brilliant.
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It is.
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So just to flip it round, at any point did you get in your own way, and how if you did?
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I um always joke that the biggest obstacle in my life is me, but it's not
a joke, it is actually just true, and I think it's probably true for most people because I will make excuses, I will underestimate myself, I will procrastinate.
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Also, I recently learned that I have ADHD, which answers a lot of questions for me, but also means that I am, you know, an obstacle to myself in a whole plethora of ways.
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That's the average person who maybe isn't like putting my keys in the fridge, etc.
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Um, so I think all of us can get in our own way, all of us can hold ourselves back.
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I I think that's just part of being human.
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And I don't know that we'll ever truly be able to get out of our own way.
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It's just about learning to um to know how to keep going.
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So, for example, I set bare minimum non-negotiables for myself.
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So if I say to myself, okay, I want to go to the gym five days a week, that's great, that's wonderful.
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But my bare minimum non-negotiable is that I will do some form of movement for 30 minutes for three days out of the week.
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Yeah.
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So even if I don't feel like my best self, or I don't have the energy, or I'm, you know, not feeling like I can commit to the full amount that I set for myself, at least I have that to fall back on.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
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And it's more reasonable.
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Yes, and I think that is important because non-negotiables for ourselves is again, it's about your point about intentionality, it's about accountability, and it is about creating healthy habits.
00:19:52.960 --> 00:19:59.680
And whilst we also talk about critical voice and things like that, actually, these non-negotiables are healthy for you.
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So sometimes I think we do have to have a word with ourselves, not in a, oh, you're useless, you're awful, but do you want this or not?
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Yeah.
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You will you need to have a strict word with yourself sometimes.
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So that's that's really helpful.
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Can I just add one thing I've found really helpful is I tell myself that I'm gonna go and get my second marshmallow.
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Because if you remember the experiment where they gave children one marshmallow and said, you can eat that now, or you can wait and have two.
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And I know that if I sit on my phone and I scroll on TikTok, that is immediate gratification.
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But if I get up and do something that is gonna make me feel better, that's gonna count for more.
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So I just say to myself, I have a little word and I say, Go get that second marshmallow girl, and that always gets me up.
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I love that.
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And sorry, that's fine.
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It's just something that you said, which I read a piece of research on recently, which I think is really important because I noticed you do this.
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Um, there was a piece of research recently which said that um they put people isolated in a situation, and some really got through it fine.
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I mean, they weren't loving it, but some really couldn't cope with it at all.
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And what they noticed was the internal self-talk.
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You immediately said, go get that second marshmallow girl.
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You talk to yourself in the third person.
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That was the one differentiator that separated the ones who could cope, they talked to themselves in the third person from the ones who didn't.
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So if you're sitting there going, I can do this, I can do this, I can do this, it's not as helpful as you can do it, you go get it.
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And the reason for that is because we when we talk to friends, we go, you can do it, you've got this.
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So it's our brain actually treating ourselves more kindly in the third person.
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And because you it's a natural thing that you're doing, but it's because I've just read this recently, and it's something that I do naturally as well, that it just I thought that's a really nice thing because everyone says, when I watch it, oh just tell yourself you can do it, and I can do it.
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No! It's not I've got this, you've got this.
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That is so interesting.
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It's interesting.
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Yeah, it really is.
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And it's just something you do so naturally.
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Yeah, you you literally do that.
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Whereas I would be either, oh, I did that.
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I'm really pleased with myself, or I'm so stupid.
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I would be the opposite.
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So that's a lesson for people, me and people like me.
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Yeah, I love it.
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So try that because you're less likely also to say to yourself, You're so stupid.
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Exactly.
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You wouldn't say that to a friend, no.
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Sorry to interrupt.
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No, I'm really glad you did.
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That's really interesting.
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Yeah, and and you picked up on Amy's phrasing.
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00:22:36.400
Exactly.
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Yeah.
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Good for you.
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That's a really interesting point.
00:22:39.119 --> 00:22:40.720
So yeah, well done.
00:22:41.039 --> 00:22:50.640
Um, so are there any um old patterns or unwanted patterns that you've realized that you um are still repeating?
00:22:51.440 --> 00:22:56.240
Yeah, so I um underestimate myself constantly.
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It is something that I'm working on, and it almost feels like yeah, it's a pattern I keep repeating.
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That I show myself, oh wow, I'm capable of doing this thing.
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And then I go back to thinking the next obstacle I come up against, I think I could never do that, I could never apply for that job, I could never enter that pageant, I could never do this, I could never do that.
00:23:18.400 --> 00:23:21.759
And I don't, I wonder where when does that end?
00:23:21.920 --> 00:23:28.880
Because no matter how many times I prove myself wrong, it's it feels like that voice keeps creeping in.
00:23:29.039 --> 00:23:35.119
And that's one of the things I'm really trying to battle with and overcome.
00:23:35.279 --> 00:23:40.640
Um, yeah, but it but that has been that has been a challenge.
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So it continues to be a challenge.
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And that's quite interesting because before, when you said you go, girl, you go and get, and then but now you're saying I could never do that.
00:23:50.079 --> 00:23:55.039
So maybe that's the difference, maybe that's the the phrasing that Audrey was talking about.
00:23:55.279 --> 00:24:07.759
And it might be, and this is only coming from other psychoanalysts that we've had on the show, it can be identifying whose voice that is, and if that is the voice of you 10 years ago or something like that, it's it's not your voice.
00:24:08.000 --> 00:24:08.559
No, that's right.
00:24:08.799 --> 00:24:10.960
But it's there because we carry those things with us.
00:24:11.039 --> 00:24:15.759
But no, I mean, honestly, it's always so great talking with Amy because and it's so funny.
00:24:15.920 --> 00:24:35.279
One of our makeup artists she really wanted to stay and listen to you because she followed you on Instagram and she's on she's not going on holiday, so she had to rush off, but she was saying she's really gutted, she didn't get to think because you are so inspiring and you're so authentic with what you say, and we just need more of you.
00:24:35.680 --> 00:24:36.400
Absolutely.
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The world would be a much better place, absolutely.
00:24:39.440 --> 00:24:40.079
Yes.
00:24:40.559 --> 00:24:47.920
Um, so uh thinking about the last six months then, what have been your highs and lows from that time, would you say?
00:24:48.799 --> 00:24:52.319
I've had some pretty I've had some pretty good achievements actually.
00:24:52.559 --> 00:24:55.440
So um most of them last month.
00:24:55.599 --> 00:24:59.839
I don't I got to the end of last month and I thought, oh my goodness grief, how am I still standing?
00:25:00.160 --> 00:25:02.559
So I ran the race for life 10k.
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One of my goals for the year was to get back into running.
00:25:06.480 --> 00:25:08.079
Um so I did that.
00:25:08.240 --> 00:25:12.319
I did I didn't cry because the first time I ran a race, I did cry.
00:25:13.039 --> 00:25:16.880
I didn't cry and I I made it the whole way, so that was a success.
00:25:17.200 --> 00:25:17.599
Brilliant.
00:25:17.759 --> 00:25:22.720
Um, another goal I had for the year was to hip thrust 100 kilos, which I have done.
00:25:22.960 --> 00:25:27.039
Oh wow! I um yeah, I feel so strong.
00:25:27.440 --> 00:25:35.759
Although last week I did tear my quad muscle, which has set me back a little bit, but okay, we have uh again highs and lows, yeah.
00:25:35.920 --> 00:25:40.319
Um, and then also I came first runner up at Pageant Girl.
00:25:40.400 --> 00:25:44.319
Yes, uh, which was very exciting.
00:25:45.279 --> 00:25:53.039
Um but yeah, as well, just you you hear those kind of big things, those kind of like big ticket items.
00:25:53.200 --> 00:26:03.519
But really, a lot of the things I feel like I've accomplished in the last six months have been really slow, quiet moments of just little bits of joy.
00:26:03.759 --> 00:26:12.240
Like I started painting, I took up crochet again, um, just even finding time in the evening to sit with a book.
00:26:12.480 --> 00:26:26.400
It doesn't sound like anything major, but it is again going back to just having that intentional time of instead of being on my phone scrolling, taking time for myself, like that feels like a big win anytime I do that.
00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:31.599
Um, but yeah, there have also been lows, uh tearing my quad being one of them.
00:26:31.839 --> 00:26:39.119
But um, I'm also I've been made redundant, which has been a big setback to the plan.
00:26:39.279 --> 00:26:39.440
Yeah.
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But every time I tell people they do what you guys just did, which is like, oh no.
00:26:44.799 --> 00:26:49.440
And I'm like, yes, oh no, obviously, it's not, it's never nice to be made redundant.
00:26:49.599 --> 00:26:57.279
But also, I think through this process, I've realized that I can only focus on the things that I can control.
00:26:57.839 --> 00:27:01.039
I can't control that, but I can control what I do next.
00:27:01.119 --> 00:27:03.519
Yes, and that's empowering and it's exciting.
00:27:03.839 --> 00:27:05.119
Yes, absolutely right.
00:27:05.599 --> 00:27:13.759
And again, it's really helpful for other people to hear this because I think people do get caught in a bit of a slump.
00:27:13.839 --> 00:27:20.240
And actually, you know, things are difficult, but you've just got to focus on exactly like you say, control the controllables.
00:27:20.640 --> 00:27:27.759
Yeah, a friend a friend of mine
was made redundant recently as well, and I said, Oh no, and he's like, No, I've got six months paid garden leave, it's really good.
00:27:27.920 --> 00:27:30.240
Yeah, so you know, there's ways of looking at it.
00:27:30.400 --> 00:27:31.039
Yeah, exactly.
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Do what I need to do with that time, and and you've got the time to find out what it is you really want to do.
00:27:36.720 --> 00:27:36.960
Exactly.
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So I think yes.
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Sometimes you run into one job after another job and then think, why am I still here?
00:27:42.799 --> 00:27:43.359
Yeah.
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How have I ended up in this place?
00:27:46.559 --> 00:27:46.960
Exactly.
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Again, exactly.
00:27:50.480 --> 00:27:52.319
Oh gosh, Amy, it's it's great.
00:27:52.400 --> 00:27:57.279
We're gonna keep you and we will be back after a clip from the last time you were on the show.
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What what would have been most helpful?
00:28:03.440 --> 00:28:06.880
And if you don't mind me asking, what was unhelpful?
00:28:08.000 --> 00:28:14.160
I think when you are caught up in your problems and you feel it can feel very lonely.
00:28:14.319 --> 00:28:19.680
And I think the first thing that a lot of people want to say is, I know how you feel, or I have been there.
00:28:19.759 --> 00:28:32.000
And a lot of times that may be true in hindsight, you can look back and say, Oh, yes, lots of people experience very similar problems, but when you hear that in the moment, it's very annoying because you think, no, you don't.
00:28:32.160 --> 00:28:36.079
No one knows how I feel, no one understands what I'm going through.
00:28:36.319 --> 00:28:54.880
So I think instead just having someone hear you out and just give you the space to talk through what you're experiencing, and then you know, it is helpful to give advice, but it's not sometimes it does come across as condescending of, oh yeah, I've been there before, been there, done that.
00:28:55.039 --> 00:29:06.240
And so rather just giving someone who's going through a hard time, just give them the space to air out what they need to air, and then yes, give advice, but maybe just say something like, Do you know what?
00:29:06.400 --> 00:29:08.480
I know that you will feel better.
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Because that's the one, the number one thing that I was panicked about during the basement of rock bottom period of my life was this fear that I would never feel better again.
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And so all I needed to know was it's going to be okay.
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I didn't need anyone to tell me how or what to do or what, you know, exactly what that was gonna look like.
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Just I am here to listen to you, and you are going to be okay.
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I think that's enough.
00:29:38.640 --> 00:29:40.240
Welcome back to Mental Health Matters.
00:29:40.319 --> 00:29:41.519
We are here with Amy Rebecca.
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Now, last time we met her on the show, she set herself a this time next year challenge.
00:29:46.400 --> 00:29:53.519
And this is something a lot of us have been following and doing and thinking about, and that's really helped it's helped me think about things in a slightly different way.
00:29:53.680 --> 00:30:01.440
Not that I need it now, but what I'm doing now is making changes that I want to see in 12 months' time rather than seeing results immediately.
00:30:01.599 --> 00:30:04.559
So I know this this woman has changed my mindset.
00:30:04.640 --> 00:30:04.799
Yeah.
00:30:04.960 --> 00:30:06.960
And it's fabulous to chat with you.
00:30:07.200 --> 00:30:08.799
And let's talk about pageants.
00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:10.319
You did mention pageants.
00:30:10.400 --> 00:30:18.319
Um now, to some extent, they are about image and role modelling and and all of that, which is which is great.
00:30:18.559 --> 00:30:29.119
Um, but then let's look at the pressure to present in a way that's glamorous or expected, even when you don't feel like it.
00:30:29.279 --> 00:30:37.440
And so I know that you recently, we've talked about it earlier in the show, posted when you weren't feeling like it, you used it as a teaching example.
00:30:37.680 --> 00:30:42.960
Are there any other ways that you can present authentically in a healthy way?
00:30:43.519 --> 00:30:54.799
One of the challenges that have been made within pageantry over the last few years, I think, is uh kind of to focus less on image.
00:30:55.359 --> 00:30:58.880
Image is important in terms of showing up as your best self.
00:30:59.039 --> 00:31:09.279
Um, but it's not so much like it was back in the, you know, previously when it was about being as thin as you can be and a certain height and being, you know, all about your looks now.
00:31:09.359 --> 00:31:16.400
I think pageants are more so looking for someone with personality, with depth, who is truly doing work within her community.
00:31:16.480 --> 00:31:24.000
And I think those are great strides forward to be looking past the outer um presentation of someone.
00:31:24.960 --> 00:31:34.640
However, I found it going into pageants was one of those things I did to terrify me, my one terrifying thing of the year two years ago.
00:31:34.880 --> 00:31:41.599
And I walked into it with no concept of what pageantry looked like or what I was gonna be expected to do.
00:31:41.759 --> 00:31:53.359
I just knew that it was gonna force me to grow in some way, and I ended up falling in love with it because I realized it was a place where I could lean into my authentic self.
00:31:53.519 --> 00:32:08.559
Yeah, one of the challenges I think that I have had though is that in pageantry and especially on pageant weekend and when you're in the interview room, it almost feels to an extent like putting on your telephone voice.
00:32:08.720 --> 00:32:09.519
Yeah, I know what
you're saying.
00:32:09.680 --> 00:32:14.400
You know, when you're trying to be like, oh, and I am my best self right now, yeah.
00:32:14.640 --> 00:32:20.079
But it's kind of covering up a version of yourself to make yourself look better.
00:32:20.240 --> 00:32:20.480
Yeah.
00:32:20.640 --> 00:32:25.039
And this year I realized that there was no point in doing that.
00:32:25.200 --> 00:32:36.480
I didn't want to lean into someone else's version of what a pageant girl should be, of being more polished, or that I should, you know, try and speak differently.
00:32:36.720 --> 00:32:40.160
I am from a working class family in South Wales.
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I look different and I sound different, and I am different from a lot of pageant queens.
00:32:45.759 --> 00:32:52.000
But equally, we are all different, we are do all sound different, we all have different experiences.
00:32:52.319 --> 00:33:02.079
So, me trying to put on a telephone voice of almost a mask of what I thought a pageant queen should look like, it wasn't being my authentic self.
00:33:02.400 --> 00:33:16.160
So this year, when I went into the interview room, I decided that my goal was not gonna be to impress the judges, it was just gonna be to tell them about myself and what I had done and the things I was interested in as me.
00:33:16.240 --> 00:33:26.400
Yeah, a little bit chaotic, um, speaking too quickly, telling them I'm really sorry, but I am nervous to be here, and just being my authentic self.
00:33:26.559 --> 00:33:28.880
And I actually came first runner up.
00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:36.720
Yeah, so just goes to show that leaning into who you are and not trying to become a more polished version of that.
00:33:37.039 --> 00:33:38.960
Yes, that's really important.
00:33:39.279 --> 00:33:47.200
Yes, yes, and and again, as I say, congratulations on that because it is pageant girls, a huge pageant, that's a massive achievement.
00:33:47.279 --> 00:33:52.000
Yeah, and especially since you were so terrified of pageants just two years ago.
00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:52.960
Amazing.
00:33:53.359 --> 00:34:02.880
Which is it's it's it's really wonderful, and it again, I think that message about authenticity is really important because it can, and I see this actually.
00:34:03.119 --> 00:34:22.719
I think back when I was a drama teacher in secondary school, you would see young children put on an act in order so they could get the lead role or get them, and it's just that's not how it works, and that's a bad message to to have that you think you have because you effectively what you're telling yourself is I'm not good enough as I am.
00:34:23.519 --> 00:34:31.280
And I think the fact that you lean into that authenticity and actually put out the message, everyone is okay exactly as they are.
00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:32.159
You are enough.
00:34:32.239 --> 00:34:34.800
It is just the epitome of that, and that's just so important.
00:34:35.039 --> 00:34:36.559
It is, it's a brilliant message.
00:34:36.880 --> 00:34:47.519
So, with this, and with the fact that you have made yourself brave, that you have worked on your confidence, that you do enter pageants, that you do run 10Ks, all of it.
00:34:48.400 --> 00:34:52.880
Do or what do people assume of you that isn't true?
00:34:54.719 --> 00:34:57.760
People assume that I am different from them.
00:34:58.480 --> 00:35:17.519
Like people will say things to me all the time, like, I would love to do that, but I am not brave enough, I am not confident enough, I'm not as uh consistent as you, I'm not as motivated as you are, and I'm like, girl, I got ADHD and I have no consistency.
00:35:17.679 --> 00:35:20.079
I most days I don't know what day of the week it is.
00:35:20.239 --> 00:35:24.960
I'm terrified of most of the things that I'm doing, and I am making it up as I go along.
00:35:25.119 --> 00:35:28.880
So you, you know, people are looking at me as if I got it together.
00:35:29.119 --> 00:35:40.079
And the message above all else that I need everyone to know is that I am just an average person with no real idea of what I am doing.
00:35:40.239 --> 00:35:45.440
I am scared, I am figuring it out, I am building as I go.
00:35:45.760 --> 00:36:00.480
And when you look back at where I started when I first started the This Time Next Year challenge a few years ago, I was too afraid to leave the house because I was having such terrible panic attacks that every time I went outside the front door, it was too much for me.
00:36:00.880 --> 00:36:09.360
No, that wasn't an overnight transformation to go from being scared to, you know, get in my car and drive somewhere to then being in a pageant.
00:36:09.599 --> 00:36:13.440
That wasn't an overnight transformation, but it is possible.
00:36:13.599 --> 00:36:20.559
And it's not because I'm a superhuman person, it's not because I'm more confident than you, or I'm more skilled than you, or I'm more dedicated.
00:36:20.800 --> 00:36:23.440
It's just because I gave myself the time to do it.
00:36:23.519 --> 00:36:28.320
And I think a lot of people think unless it's happening immediately, it's never gonna happen.
00:36:28.559 --> 00:36:36.239
But if you give yourself the time, you can achieve a hundred percent, you can achieve any of the things that I've achieved and more.
00:36:36.800 --> 00:36:37.679
Yeah, exactly.
00:36:37.840 --> 00:36:46.960
And also it isn't something that happens to you, it's something that you make happen as well, which I think a lot of people don't necessarily feel or understand.
00:36:47.199 --> 00:36:54.000
Yeah, so you've mentioned both motivation and um consistency, which do you think is more important?
00:36:56.639 --> 00:36:57.679
Consistency.
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I mean, motivation is like, you know, when you're in your 20s and you have that one friend who's like a really good time, but she'll text you five minutes before brunch and be like, sorry, can't make it today.
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Like
motivation is so flaky.
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Yeah, it's like when you've got it, it's great, but it's not gonna show up for you every day.
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Yeah, so being able to find ways to be consistent is really what's gonna make a difference.
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And that is hard.
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That's a skill, again, that you're not gonna build overnight.
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Um, but just that's why I always say just do one small positive action a day.
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Don't feel like you need to be out here running a mile, walking 10,000 steps, reading a book, you know, drinking six glasses of water, doing it all every day.
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If you can do one positive thing for yourself every day, then at the end of the year you've done 365 positive things.
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And quite frankly, I think for the average person, that is achievable, it's sustainable, and it is gonna have an impact.
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Yeah, agreed.
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Exactly.
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When when you put it like that.
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And it's funny because I thought you were gonna say the opposite.
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I thought you were gonna say motivation.
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So yeah, but not but explaining it, yeah, absolutely.
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You're right about all of the reasons why it's consistency.
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It's consistency, and the other word you mentioned, Amy, is intentionality.
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Yes, yeah, it's making those active choices, yeah, again, reclaiming actively living life.
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It makes such a difference, I think.
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And they're all positive vocabulary, yeah, exactly.
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Oh, this has been I I could talk to you all day.
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It's been amazing.
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Absolutely.
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Where can we learn more about you and where can we follow you?
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So I'm on Instagram and TikTok, and it's it's it's underscore Amy Rebecca, and then on YouTube, I'm just Amy Rebecca, and I'm there all the time.
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Amazing.
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Please follow her.
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We all follow her.
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She is absolutely incredible.
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Thank you so much for joining us, Amy, and let's head over to Test the Trend.
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For today's test the trend, I want you to do this with me.
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So Jude is going to demonstrate we're gonna do this together.
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Um, I would like you to think uh your answer to the following prompt.
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Six months ago, I thought I would be dot dot dot.
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Or I believed six months ago that success would look like dot dot dot.
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So, what's your dot dot dot?
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Oh gosh.
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Uh there's two.
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Uh shall I just choose one?
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Yeah.
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Okay, six months ago I thought I would be lighter than I am now.
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I'm being quite honest.
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I thought I'd I'd have lost much more weight than I have.
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Okay, um what is the current reality?
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So that's the first weight.
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So six months ago, dot dot dot.
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Yeah.
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Now, but what is the current reality?
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Right now, actually.
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So I've lost a stone, which is fantastic.
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It's it's going in the right direction.
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It's not as much as I wanted.
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That's the reality.
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But also the reality is that um working with a nutritionist, she says to me, Yes, but you're making really positive changes inside that you can't see.
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The weight loss is incidental.
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So I've stopped focusing on the weight loss and focusing on the health.
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So that's the current situation.
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And also, we're talking, you've got another six months if you want to do the year challenge.
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It it's so easy to get into the immediate immediate.
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So six months ago now.
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So now the next question is what have you struggled with?
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Um the uh exercise side of things.
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Okay.
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Finding time to exercise.
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So maybe you add that in, and it might be that might be the magic sort of ingredient that I need.
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So now we've had that.
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So six months ago I thought, right now my life is, or what's happening at the moment, and what was the problem that you struggled with, because that might pinpoint where the gap between reality and the hope was.
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Yeah.
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It might not, but it's just worth fixing.
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I think it probably is, yeah.
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Um so now let's look at, but if I'm completely honest, I am proud of um having made so many nutritional changes.
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There's loads that I've that I've done in the last six months that must be having an effect.
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So you're not consistent.
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And I I've been absolutely consistent.
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Brilliant.
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If I'm honest, I am disappointed that I or in or that I haven't been able to throw my whole water about and buy, you know, four type four sizes smaller.
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I am disappointed with that, but hopefully that will come in another six months or another year, even that's fine.
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And so with all of that in mind, one thing I can change or add to the changes that I've already made that's easy for me to do is exercise.
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That's what I'm gonna do as well.
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Because also, um listening to Amy 30 minutes three times a week, that's doable for anybody.
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Yeah, it's it is doable.
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Yeah, have a word with myself.
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But again, it's the having a word with yourself in the appropriate way.
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Yeah.
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It's maybe focus on uh when do I do I want to achieve this goal faster, therefore I will be consistent with this intention.
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Um but the point is we sometimes have to check in with ourselves because it might have even been that your goals have changed, in which case that's okay as well.
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But if we don't keep checking in, not checking in as in the I must have had all of these achievements, yeah, but just am I still on the track I wanted to be on?
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Because if you're not, that's okay.
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So check in with yourselves, and if your goals have changed, that's great.
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Set yourself some new ones, but also check in with the reality of things, and that means asking more probing questions than just oh, I'm disappointed I didn't get whatever, which is what we do tend to focus on if we haven't achieved the goal.
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Oh, as always, Amy is incredible.
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Yeah, that's a good word for Amy.
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She's so good, but and also taking what she says, she is an ordinary person.
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Yeah, she isn't made differently, and I think what is important to take from that is consistency and intentionality, and anyone can make changes.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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And it's I think it's easy to put her on a pedestal, and you know, I I'm sure that a lot of people have because of just how she how she presents herself, she she is amazing, you know, she's a young woman, um, but what she's achieved is more than a lot of people have achieved, probably in their whole life.
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And um, but she is just ordinary.
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And what's quite interesting is are we putting her on a pedestal for our sake?
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As in, oh well, if she's up there, I can't do that.
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I can't do that.
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And I think some people do that.
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I think maybe, yeah.
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You know, we actually treat people in a way unfairly by not recognizing all the things she's been through, just because we are thinking, oh, I I don't have the consistency and I don't want the intentionality.
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So you mean so almost like she's acting for them, so they're living vicariously.
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Well, no, if she's special, then of course I can't do it.
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Oh, I see.
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Whereas actually saying no, she's not special, she's just consistent and intentional.
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Oh god, I can do that.
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So leave no excuse for for everybody.
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Yeah, maybe that's what I wonder with people.
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That happens as well.
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Or whether that happens not necessarily with Amy, but with people that you watch or you follow or you look at.
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Because the point is they will have all started from okay, admittedly, some people have an advantage financially and those sorts of things.
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Yeah.
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Amy's a working class girl.
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Yeah.
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So that's actually a different, you can't use that with Amy.
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But on the whole, people still have to just put the work in.
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It's the hard work, isn't it?
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And yeah, you're right.
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If some people think, oh well, she's got that privileged position, or I'll never.
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Yeah, exactly.
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So why bother?
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Yeah, that's a really good point, which I never thought of.
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So we'll leave you thinking about that.
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If you want to make the changes in your life, think about it on a longer term plan.
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Make those changes consistently and intentionally, and every single day.
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Make sure it's just something small.
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You're not looking for results now, you're looking for results in a year's time, and have a healthy week.