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Hi, this is Pam Wirth with the Hello Healthy Podcast.
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And today I have Dr.
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Jason Schumart, who is a functional medicine practitioner with over 20 years of experience specializing in type 2 diabetes and insulin resistance.
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So thank you so much, Doctor, for being on today.
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So glad to be here.
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Thank you for having me.
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All right.
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So tell us, um, when did you decide to become a doctor?
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Was there something defining in your life?
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Um, tell us about that journey and and how you've decided to focus in on the areas that you're focused on now.
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Yeah, I think a lot of it came from when I was a kid.
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And I had um, I mean, from the time I was born to about three years old, I had severe asthma and allergies.
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I was in at a hospital a lot.
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And as I got older, I continued that path, like having to carry the inhaler with me all the time and having to be on tons of antibiotics.
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There was a really big one when I was growing up called Keflex, and I still remember it had the little you could shake it and you can hear little beads in there, type of thing.
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And it's like has this like PTSD, if you will.
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Like, how's I'm gonna take that all the time?
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I just knew there had to be a better way.
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So I didn't really know I wanted to become a doctor until I really got into college.
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And as I started researching and what I wanted to do, I wanted to be in the healthcare field, I should say.
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Initially, I thought maybe I could be a physical therapist because I liked I was a big athlete, I could work with athletes.
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And I and I went on that path for a little while and it just didn't really resonate with me.
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I didn't feel like it was something I really wanted to do.
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I knew I wanted to be in some like helping people, but I wanted to do something more holistically.
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I just felt like there had to be a better way than the traditional medical model.
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I was never really interested in medicine, if you will.
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I was more interested in like getting people healthy.
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So I in one of my courses, I went to San Diego State here in San Diego, where I live now.
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And so I one of the courses was every single week they had a different um professional come in to speak.
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They had like a nurse, they had a PA, they had medical doctors.
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Like every single week was a different one.
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And one of the ones that spoke was a chiropractor.
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I'd never been to a chiropractor, knew nothing about chiropractic.
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But when he was speaking about how the body has the ability to heal itself and it's all the innate responses, it just really, it just really spoke to me and it really connected with me in a way that I was like, I have to learn more about this.
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So I started researching more.
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I identified more about what that chiropractic was all about.
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Now, most people believe it's just about cracking bones and adjusting spines and everything.
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But that's just one, that's just the tools that we use to help the body heal.
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But it's really about getting in this homeostasis, like this neurological homeostasis, organ homeostasis, and helping the body get into a place where it's optimized.
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And we can use the spine, which is encompassing the nervous system, to help control that.
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And that really was like, this sounds like something I really want to do.
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So I actually went into school, never seen a doctor, chiropractor ever, never being adjusted, never knowing anything beyond that.
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I went in with the philosophy like this is something I have to do.
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Well, lo and behold, my first you essentially week of school, I was like, this is the place I need to be.
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I'm around people that that really speak like me and talk like me and have a very similar mindset like me.
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I just felt like I was in this place and I'm like, I'm home, like I feel good about this.
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But what was interesting is as I started going through our program, right around maybe a year into my program, um, is that we my mom was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes.
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And as she was diagnosed, like many individuals, thinking this is a manageable disease, she can change her lifestyle, you know, exercise, take medication, she can manage this.
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But as things progressed, I noticed that she was no longer managing this, that things were progressing over time, even though she was trying her best, meaning eating as well as she could, following the recommendations of her doctors.
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And I got to a point where I'm like, there has to be something else.
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Now, fortunately, the school that I went to was very open to other types of options beyond just the traditional
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chiropractic training.
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So I found functional medicine while I was in school.
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I started going to courses and becoming more educated in functional medicine.
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And as I graduated, I actually started, you know, my own practice and started implementing some of these things that I was learning in functional medicine, continuing my career in postgraduate studies and helping individuals where until I got to a place where I felt very confident that I had the knowledge to start helping individuals with insulin resistance and type 2 diabetes.
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So who's the first person I went to?
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My mom, because I really wanted to help her.
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I went down this path because of her, because I really wanted to help her with this disease process.
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So what, but then a huge finding came to me when I went to my mom.
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And that was that I found out that not everybody wants help.
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When I went to her and told her and my dad that we have these options, we can do this, X, Y, and Z, there was zero interest, mainly because her doctors were telling her she was fine, that everything was good.
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She had minimal symptoms, even though she was taking more medications and had more medications she was using for, you know, cholesterol, cardiovascular, you know, blood sugar, et cetera.
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But she didn't feel the symptoms of it.
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So it's because her body was numb with the medication, if you will.
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But her doctors told her she was fine.
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So she was never really interested.
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Well, fast forward, um, as me helping multiple people throughout this time, eventually she got to a place where she had her first complication, which was kidney failure.
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And as her kidneys failed, she went into dialysis three days a week, three hours at a time.
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And then eventually, eight months later, one month after her birthday, and eight months after starting dialysis, she had a stroke and never left the hospital.
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So, this process has taken me to a place where number one, I want to help people with diabetes because my mom had it.
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Now, oh my gosh, we've got a program that are helping people actually get off medications, becoming non-diabetic.
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And now I see the death of my mom, it's like, hmm, now I'm about to start yelling from the mountaintops, right?
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Because a long time I was like, I don't, I want to be the guy behind the curtain, no target on my back.
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I'm just gonna fly into the radar type of thing.
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Well, when 2021 hit and my mom passed, because I was there, I was holding her hand when that happened.
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It was very devastating.
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And I left the hospital saying, enough's enough.
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I'm no longer gonna be the guy behind the the curtain.
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I'm gonna put myself out there.
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I'm gonna start spreading this information because it needs to be known.
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Because there are other people who have moms like mine that need help.
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And as long as they're willing to do what's necessary, we have the information that can help them.
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And essentially that's how this whole place whole thing started when I thought I was gonna I was gonna be a sports chiropractor, right?
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But now, full-on functional medicine working with type 2 diabetes is the best choice ever made.
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So, and and I've had family members that have been through this journey.
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Um, some of them were able to use things like berberine in the place of medicine, some weren't.
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Um what's kind of people where do you like to start with people?
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What kind of protocol do you like to start with when people come to you and say, hey, you know, I've got this um diagnosis, and and here's kind of where I'm at?
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Yeah, the first thing we want to do is we want to identify what's going on.
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Because the common misconception in the public is that as long as you bring down your sugars, you're gonna be fine.
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Well, that's nothing further from the truth because there's lots of medications that can bring down your sugars.
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There's there's lifestyle, there's diet changes you can bring down your sugars, but these individuals still get worse with time.
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Because diabetes or insulin resistance is a cell disease.
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It's happening at the cellular level, not in the sugars being high in the bloodstream.
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Because when you look at normal physiology, we consume food, right?
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And that food gets broken down into our gastronal intestinal tract to glucose, which is our fuel.
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It then gets released into our bloodstream with the help of insulin, taking it over to the cell.
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The insulin attaches to a receptor, which is the unlocking, if you will, of the doors to allow the sugar to enter the cells.
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Then, as the sugars enter the cells, they go into your mitochondria, which is your engines of your cells.
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This
is normal function as a human being.
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We should be able to do this without even thinking about this.
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But what happens with tattoo diabetes is that ability for those doors to open stay closed.
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So if those doors can never open, the sugars then start to be pushed back into the bloodstream, causing elevated sugars.
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So if we're only focusing on trying to lower those sugars, we never fix the doors.
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And then as more and more cells become damaged, the sugar just keeps rising and rising and rising until we get a diagnosis of type 2 diabetes.
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So essentially, all the treatment is focusing on the symptom rather than the cause.
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So our first step in this process is rather than putting them on a lifestyle change, putting them on supplements to lower the sugars, we want to identify the problems that are contributing to closing those doors.
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Now, we all know that lifestyle can play a role.
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From that, it could be one of the mechanisms that's involved, like their diet and nutrition, and things that they're they're doing, their lack of exercise, their weight.
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These things can be contributing factors, but in most patients with diabetes, it is not the only problems they're dealing with.
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There are other issues.
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That's why you can see someone who is in a good weight, exercising on a regular basis, eating good food, but taking insulin every single day.
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Like they're still sick because something else is going on.
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So we do what we call our root cause analysis.
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It is a comprehensive testing.
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We do two types of tests.
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One is a blood test, which is gonna dive deeper into all the different organs and tissues in the body.
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And then we also do a toxicity test that evaluates for things like heavy metals, molds, and environmental toxins that we know cause cellular damage.
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The science is very clear on that.
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So once we have the results back, we can now identify: is the liver a problem, the kidneys, the adrenal glands, all things that are involved in blood sugar regulation, by the way.
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Is there toxins involved as well?
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So we can start to come up with a plan.
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So most of the time, I'm actually not giving the patient anything to lower their sugars, like berberine, chromium, or anything like that.
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I'm actually focusing on those areas that are damaged and start removing the toxins, restoring liver function, adrenal function, et cetera.
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Because once you do that, then those cell doors can start doing their job again effectively because you're essentially removing the blockade that's going on there and allowing those cells to be healthy again.
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And most cases, the person's sugars start to drop, the use of medication goes away because their body's going back to that holistic approach.
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It all goes back to the philosophy of chiropractic.
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Create that homeostasis in the body, the body can do its job.
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So we don't want to force anything, we want to allow it to get back to that healthy environment.
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Well, and I love that you're actually getting into the root of why the body is reacting the way it is.
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And a lot of people don't really talk about it too.
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And you kind of touched on it, there was the adrenals.
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Um, a lot of people have adrenal fatigue from just too much cortisol, too much stress.
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Um so it's it's definitely interesting.
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It's it's a big, big issue, especially like because you have um for for a woman, it's probably more of an issue than a man in a sense, because once you the female goes into a menopausal state, she re requires a lot of support from the adrenal glands.
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But if they're already fatigued, now you're asking for additional help for hormone production, and it even crashes her even more.
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She starts to get more crashing of hormones as well, and then HRT is necessary.
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So there's so many things.
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So I think if we're if you're a female, like in your mid to late 30s to early 40s, you gotta start working on those adrenal glands right away to make sure that they're in a good place.
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So then when you move into that next stage of life, that it essentially is like opening one door and closing the door, that there's nothing changes in your life.
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Yeah.
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So when when you say working on your adrenals, any suggestions for that?
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For yeah, there's a couple things that I would do.
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Number one is there, because there's remember, there's three different types of stressors that the body's gonna go through.
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We have the one that's the most common everyone thinks about the mental stressors.
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This is one everyone thinks that's their main culprit that's contributing to their stressful environment, but it's only actually a small percentage for most people.
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So, what do we do
for that?
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Well, there's there's there's therapists you can go and talk to, there's meditation, there's breathing techniques, there's things like that you can do.
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The ones that I think are more important are the physical stressors and the chemical stressors.
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So the chemical stressors are going to be things that you're consuming, right?
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Are you eating good quality food?
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Is it organic when necessary?
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Are you drinking good quality water?
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Are you just drinking the city water that's filled with chlorine and everything else in it, to filter in your water?
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Are you are you showering in good quality water?
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Are you washing your clothes?
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Are you using good chemicals in your home for cleaning?
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Your detergents, your soaps, your shampoos, conditioners, all those things play a role in a stressful environment that can cause hormonal problems or adrenal issues.
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And then physical ones, right?
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Are you actually giving your body a chance to recover?
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Are you just getting good quality sleep?
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Are you reducing EMF exposures?
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Like all these things that are we have more control over, right?
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We can control what we eat and the products that we use and consume.
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We have control in our house, making sure our lights are turned off when we sleep, removing your phone six feet, six to eight feet away from you, maybe turning off your Wi-Fi, making sure you're not using TV or electronics too late at night so you can get that good quality of sleep, tracking your sleep with trackers, all these things can be done that are going to help.
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So imagine if you were to reduce your physical and chemical, that's two-thirds of your stressful environment.
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And now you've got the emotional stuff there, and that's one third still component, but much easier for your body to manage when you have one third instead of two-thirds.
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And so that alone, by removing the stress, if you will, part of the pun, because that's cause this, that helps the adrenal glands to take a breath.
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Now we can start giving the adrenal glands what they need for support, like ostragonda and those things that are really good for adrenal support and helping them boost their levels as well.
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And if you ever want to identify, you know, more advanced adrenal uh problems, a cortisol blood test is not going to give you the information.
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That's just not gonna give you that component there.
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I love using the Dutch test, and some of the of your audience may be familiar with this, is a very high-level metabolite test.
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It's a urine test.
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Um, you're testing four different times throughout the day where you can track your adrenal response because we should see the curve is very high in the morning, very high, and slowly getting to the lowest at night because cortisol is very stimulatory, it keeps your brain awake.
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So people talk about that internal alarm clock.
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That is a cortisol flush, if you will.
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Boom, it just rushes into your body very rapidly, and you can get up and get going.
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And then at night where you're just tired and you want to go to sleep, that's because you have low cortisol.
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And if you're waking up multiple times throughout the night, it's because you're getting these cortisol spikes, because you have a stressful environment that needs to be addressed.
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And again, that could be some of these other things: inflammation, toxicities, you know, um gut dysbiosis, leaky gut problems.
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Like there's a lot of things that could be going on in there that need to be looked into.
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So I guess I I the answer is yes, there's a lot we can do, but we have to put the right steps together for the individual and their specific scenario.
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Well, I love that you take a look at it from a uh data standpoint and and you do the test and you understand what's really going on with that person and then take a look at it.
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Um is there anything?
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So when people want to see you, do you ever see people remotely?
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Do you only see people in person?
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Tell us a little bit about that.
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Yeah, so in 2021, we decided to go fully remote.
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Um, I did have a brick and mortar here locally in San Diego, but of course everyone went through COVID, right?
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Um, they all know that process, and you know, we had limited hours and things that we could see people at certain times because we couldn't have a lot of people in the office at one time.
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But what's interesting even even here is once things started to open up, people were so used to that, you know, Zoom comfort of their home environments.
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And here in San Diego, Southern California, we have traffic, right?
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It could take 45 minutes one way for someone to get to my office, where now they can just get on a call and be done
with their entire appointment for one way they would drive, they'd have to drive to get to the office.
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And so people were asking more for that, and I was open to it as well.
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And what was interesting, we never saw reduction and and results.
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We still saw phenomenal results with our patients, some of them even better because of that stress of driving to the office, I think, is a component there.
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But and then so 2021, we decided, you know, 90% of our patients were seen virtually.
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Why do we even need um an office setting anymore?
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Which thing which just started giving me the idea that we could start going, you know, outside with a virtual and helping people all over the country.
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People who don't have access type of work in rural areas or maybe don't know where to go to or have the right um individual that has this expertise, that we can start working with individuals that are in rural Texas or Nebraska or Oklahoma, even, and they all they need is an internet connection.
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And so it's been really, really amazing to see how things have been able to expand and how we're being able to help more people with our footprints as we go into this more virtual place.
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That's fantastic.
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Um anything that I failed to ask, or you want to be sure to add, anything that you want to let people know if they've got any questions, um, where to find you.
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Yeah, I think the biggest thing is is I I would stress one thing.
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If there's anybody listening right now that has been that has recently been diagnosed or has a diagnosis with insulin resistance or blood sugar issues or diabetes, right?
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It's important to understand that, yes, a component of you being there is your lifestyle because whatever you did previously has contributed to that.
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And you can change the way you eat, you can do the exercise, you can lose the weight, and you should be doing those things.
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That should be a foundation.
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We should all be doing it, right?
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In essence, it should be a foundation, but recognize that it for a very large part of the population that is dealing with that, that alone will not reverse your diabetes.
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It may help you keep your sugars in balance, you may be able to be managed, but again, you're only focusing on the symptom and you haven't addressed the cells.
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So if you want to take more of a proactive approach, you have to find someone who has the expertise to take you through the right testing to evaluate you to find out what's going on.
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And I can tell you with absolute certainty, when you get this test ran, you will be mind blown.
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You'll be mind blown, number one.
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Why haven't you been tested this way?
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Because unfortunately, the medical model, their job is to not get you healthy.
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This is this is gonna, again, probably gonna change the minds of people because their thought process it is.
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Their job is to keep you from dying today.
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Their job is to keep you out of any medical emergency situation, which they're really good at.
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Their job is not to get you healthy, their job is not to get you from becoming sicker, their job is to maintain where you currently are.
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You have to look outside.
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This is where functional medicine shines because we can now take it from where they left you and now identify what areas are broken so we can start healing the body.
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And once you start doing that, now your body goes back to where it was.
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The age of the individual is irrelevant.
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The only relevancy of an age is the longevity you've been dealing with the problem.
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So, as long as you have a heartbeat, brain function, and you're above ground, you can heal.
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That's the most important thing.
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I totally agree.
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Thank you so much, Dr.
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Shehard.
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Yeah, thank you.
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I appreciate it.
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