Fuld transskription af E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial Ep. 08 - Mac and Me (with Max Evry)

00:04:43,141 It did not, it did not listen. 68 00:04:43,882 --> 00:04:54,270 Now, I before we even get into the movie and all that, uh, you have a new book coming out very soon that touches on the subject of this series. 69 00:04:54,356 --> 00:04:57,119 I know it comes out October 6th, 2026. 70 00:04:57,119 --> 00:05:02,195 It is called Stranded on Earth: How Night Skies Became E.T. 71 00:05:02,195 --> 00:05:04,588 Can you tell us a little bit about it? 72 00:05:04,588 --> 00:05:05,546 indeed I can. 73 00:05:05,546 --> 00:05:10,594 Uh I spent two years writing it, so I'm I thank you for jogging my memory. 74 00:05:10,594 --> 00:05:12,126 That was a loaded question. 75 00:05:12,126 --> 00:05:14,326 I figured you could tell us a little bit. 76 00:05:15,734 --> 00:05:17,525 Whoa, which which one was that? 77 00:05:17,525 --> 00:05:17,935 yeah. 78 00:05:17,935 --> 00:05:20,806 But like yeah, no, we j we just sent it to the printer like a week ago. 79 00:05:20,806 --> 00:05:22,317 Oh exciting. 80 00:05:22,317 --> 00:05:30,661 Exciting, yeah, like it's uh no, it's it's uh th this book is I I j I just I wanna like oversell it. 81 00:05:30,661 --> 00:05:31,181 You should. 82 00:05:31,181 --> 00:05:32,312 You absolutely should. 83 00:05:32,312 --> 00:05:41,826 I wanna oversell it if ca so like it's it's kind of amazing that, you know, uh Chris and Justin invited me to be part of this series because 84 00:05:41,868 --> 00:05:47,200 The series that they've just done on Get Me Another dovetails so perfectly with this book. 85 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:53,582 Um, you know, because I it it it yes, the title is how Night Skies Became E.T. 86 00:05:53,582 --> 00:05:58,703 the extraterrestrial, but the the the book itself is sort of a Matroyka doll. 87 00:05:58,703 --> 00:06:03,264 Like that that concept is sort of at the center of it. 88 00:06:03,264 --> 00:06:08,886 And then you go to the big you know you you you go bigger and it and it's sort of about 89 00:06:08,896 --> 00:06:12,027 uh the things that were happening on either side of that. 90 00:06:12,027 --> 00:06:12,297 Right. 91 00:06:12,297 --> 00:06:18,120 You know, so we talk about Firelight, Spielberg's movie that alien movie they made when it was 16 years old. 92 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:19,851 Which practically no one has seen. 93 00:06:19,851 --> 00:06:20,371 Right. 94 00:06:20,371 --> 00:06:28,985 And then I we also talk we we have a chapter and a half on Close Encounters of the Third Kind because Night Skies began as a sequel to Close Encounters. 95 00:06:28,985 --> 00:06:29,445 Exactly. 96 00:06:29,445 --> 00:06:29,585 Yeah. 97 00:06:29,585 --> 00:06:37,472 We talked a little bit about that development in our first episode, how you know Columbia wanted a a close encounter sequel and 98 00:06:37,472 --> 00:06:39,453 I guess Spielberg wasn't too keen on it. 99 00:06:39,453 --> 00:06:47,126 And then they came up with this idea of night skies and and based on the nineteen fifty-five Kelly Hopkinsville encounter. 100 00:06:47,126 --> 00:06:47,596 Right. 101 00:06:47,596 --> 00:06:51,808 And the development of that to eventually evolve into E.T. 102 00:06:51,888 --> 00:06:52,648 is incredible. 103 00:06:52,648 --> 00:06:54,499 And I can't wait to I can't wait to read the book. 104 00:06:54,499 --> 00:06:55,635 I can't wait to read the book. 105 00:06:55,635 --> 00:06:55,970 Yeah. 106 00:06:55,970 --> 00:07:04,273 It it was shocking to me when I realized that nobody has really dug into this subject before. 107 00:07:04,273 --> 00:07:07,054 Because it is how the 108 00:07:07,114 --> 00:07:14,276 at the time, and I think for like fifteen years, most successful movie of all time came to be. 109 00:07:14,306 --> 00:07:14,875 absolutely. 110 00:07:14,875 --> 00:07:22,178 It's it sort of makes you it sort of like makes you wonder like w why the hell didn't anybody, you know, think to dig into this. 111 00:07:22,178 --> 00:07:31,241 But like, yeah, but like we get we get into it on a molecular level, you know, and we we we ta there's a whole chapter about the Kelly Hopkinsville incident. 112 00:07:31,241 --> 00:07:31,641 Yeah. 113 00:07:31,641 --> 00:07:34,454 Which was really fun for me a as a r as a 114 00:07:34,454 --> 00:07:40,007 a person who writes about movies twenty four seven to do a whole chapter of a book that has nothing to do with movies. 115 00:07:40,007 --> 00:07:40,577 Right. 116 00:07:40,577 --> 00:07:43,918 And uh and and to dig into that, I actually went to Hopkinsville. 117 00:07:43,918 --> 00:07:45,399 Oh wow. 118 00:07:45,439 --> 00:07:46,460 that's amazing. 119 00:07:46,460 --> 00:07:47,380 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 120 00:07:47,380 --> 00:07:52,968 And then um yeah, and then on the other side of it too, you know, the aftermath of E. 121 00:07:52,968 --> 00:07:53,503 T. 122 00:07:53,503 --> 00:07:59,085 uh and and Night Skies as a developed project that, you know, made the rounds. 123 00:07:59,085 --> 00:08:01,206 You know, like there's so many 124 00:08:01,378 --> 00:08:07,922 projects that it fed into, you know, uh first and foremostly gremlins and poltergeist. 125 00:08:07,922 --> 00:08:08,242 Right. 126 00:08:08,242 --> 00:08:11,104 It's kind of it's kind of the Urd text for all three. 127 00:08:11,104 --> 00:08:11,634 Yes. 128 00:08:11,634 --> 00:08:14,195 for e for ET, for poltergeist, for gremlins. 129 00:08:14,195 --> 00:08:18,538 There's there's DNA of of Night Skies in all of those movies. 130 00:08:18,538 --> 00:08:20,429 Uh I absolutely, yes. 131 00:08:20,429 --> 00:08:24,351 And and they yes, and the there's yeah that that that's a perfect way to put it. 132 00:08:24,351 --> 00:08:28,113 And then after that, you know, then you get things like signs. 133 00:08:28,113 --> 00:08:30,184 You get things like notes. 134 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:38,524 You know, and uh you know, and of course Starman, which you guys did, you know, like that was the movie that Columbia

decided to make instead of E. 135 00:08:38,524 --> 00:08:38,902 T. 136 00:08:38,902 --> 00:08:39,222 Right. 137 00:08:39,222 --> 00:08:41,575 So it's a really important part of the story. 138 00:08:41,575 --> 00:08:51,319 And and all the way up to today, because we just had this summer was uh Steven Spielberg's disclosure day, uh g vi revisiting, going back to the subject of aliens for the first 139 00:08:51,319 --> 00:08:54,991 time, I think since his War of the Worlds, which was a a very, very different film. 140 00:08:54,991 --> 00:08:57,362 Well, technically since Indiana Jones and the Kingdoms. 141 00:08:57,362 --> 00:08:58,534 that's you're right. 142 00:08:58,534 --> 00:09:01,215 Well, they were interdimensional beings, man. 143 00:09:01,215 --> 00:09:03,057 They were interdimensional beings. 144 00:09:03,057 --> 00:09:09,962 Well, that that's the interesting part about close encounters that most people don't remember is that they were also interdimensional beings, too. 145 00:09:09,962 --> 00:09:13,184 Because like that's why there were people coming back from World War II. 146 00:09:13,184 --> 00:09:15,586 Oh, interesting. 147 00:09:15,586 --> 00:09:17,127 Oh, interesting. 148 00:09:17,127 --> 00:09:17,947 wow. 149 00:09:17,947 --> 00:09:18,948 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 150 00:09:18,948 --> 00:09:20,289 Very, very interesting. 151 00:09:20,289 --> 00:09:25,342 Yeah, and and it's it's the the just I'm I'm so curious to get into that that trip. 152 00:09:25,342 --> 00:09:28,236 Because you start out, Night Skies was 153 00:09:28,236 --> 00:09:31,168 Basically the flip side of close encounters. 154 00:09:31,168 --> 00:09:34,350 It was like the horror version of close encounters. 155 00:09:34,350 --> 00:09:42,376 And then this piece of it kind of splits off, I guess, while they were making uh while they were shooting in Tunisia of Rays of Lost Ark. 156 00:09:42,376 --> 00:09:48,740 And and this little bit of it about this one lost alien becomes the DNA of E.T. 157 00:09:48,740 --> 00:09:56,676 And and then just, I mean, uh, as we've explored in the last uh eight episodes, I mean, just the amount of the ripples that E.T. 158 00:09:56,676 --> 00:09:57,216 had. 159 00:09:57,216 --> 00:09:59,747 is just but it all starts with night skies. 160 00:09:59,747 --> 00:10:00,528 That's right. 161 00:10:00,528 --> 00:10:01,388 Yeah, no. 162 00:10:01,388 --> 00:10:02,489 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 163 00:10:02,489 --> 00:10:11,023 And yeah, I mean I mean y y y you I mean even your shirt that you're wearing tonight, which the the the the other people listening at home can't see, but you're wearing the 164 00:10:11,023 --> 00:10:13,995 shirt with the Heineck scale on it. 165 00:10:13,995 --> 00:10:26,332 The the J Allen Hyneck's you know C C E three one, C E three two, C E three three, you know, it's like um yeah I think yeah like Jay Allen Hynick is an important figure in the 166 00:10:26,332 --> 00:10:27,182 book. 167 00:10:27,202 --> 00:10:34,094 He you know, he was actually he wasn't on site in Kentucky, but he was central to the investigation. 168 00:10:34,094 --> 00:10:34,604 interesting. 169 00:10:34,604 --> 00:10:42,486 Um that sa you know, several people who he worked with, you know, went out and interviewed the family uh right after it happened. 170 00:10:42,486 --> 00:10:52,059 You know, that's where all those great um, you know, uh eyewitness drawings of the creatures, you know, that that are all pretty, you know, s pretty similar, eerily similar. 171 00:10:52,059 --> 00:10:53,239 Eerily similar. 172 00:10:53,239 --> 00:10:53,970 Yeah. 173 00:10:53,970 --> 00:10:54,830 And 174 00:10:55,596 --> 00:11:04,500 Yeah, and then from those descriptions, you know, like you you know, you you you start to see little pieces of of of gremlins. 175 00:11:04,500 --> 00:11:06,701 You start to see little pieces of E. 176 00:11:06,701 --> 00:11:06,961 T. 177 00:11:06,961 --> 00:11:08,462 itself, you know. 178 00:11:08,462 --> 00:11:17,415 yeah, there's like there's the the the some of the the concept sketches, I think yeah, 'cause Rick Baker designed some of those aliens for night skies and then he did not carry 179 00:11:17,415 --> 00:11:18,216 over into the E. 180 00:11:18,216 --> 00:11:18,476 T. 181 00:11:18,476 --> 00:11:19,496 project. 182 00:11:19,496 --> 00:11:23,338 But it was contentious, I know. 183 00:11:23,338 --> 00:11:25,539 Some of what he did carried the throw. 184 00:11:25,539 --> 00:11:25,809 Yeah. 185 00:11:25,809 --> 00:11:27,689 And w and was not credited to him. 186 00:11:27,689 --> 00:11:28,219 But yeah. 187 00:11:28,219 --> 00:11:32,781 It's so funny to see some of those night skies drawing where they look like, it's evil E.T. 188 00:11:32,781 --> 00:11:33,911 It is evil E.T., yeah. 189 00:11:33,911 --> 00:11:34,561 Tot totally. 190 00:11:34,561 --> 00:11:49,686 And uh, you know, like the evolution of that design, um, you know, in terms of how it changed and uh how much of it stayed the same, b is a a crucial part of the book, you 191 00:11:49,686 --> 00:11:49,926 know. 192 00:11:49,926 --> 00:11:50,528 And I 193 00:11:50,528 --> 00:12:01,513 And probably a you know, a contentious part in the sense that, you know, part of the part of the thing that flabbergasted me was that nobody had ever done a serious, honest 194 00:12:01,513 --> 00:12:04,744 approach to the making of E.T. 195 00:12:04,744 --> 00:12:12,427 You know, I think some of that has to do with you what a four hundred pound gorilla Steven Spielberg is and how important that film is to his legacy. 196 00:12:12,427 --> 00:12:16,509 You know, but we're four almost forty five next year will be the forty fifth anniversary. 197 00:12:16,509 --> 00:12:19,272 I think forty-five years is a pretty I think 198 00:12:19,272 --> 00:12:23,365 No no book I write is going to hurt Steven Spielberg's legacy. 199 00:12:23,365 --> 00:12:26,066 No, nothing's gonna hurt the legacy of E.T.

200 00:12:26,066 --> 00:12:28,598 If anything, this book is gonna in I think it's gonna enhance it. 201 00:12:28,598 --> 00:12:32,010 I think fans are gonna look at the film with a whole new dimension. 202 00:12:32,010 --> 00:12:45,100 But that said, uh the thing that makes my book fun, stranded on earth, is you know, it's it's nothing that a studio would ever approve in a million years. 203 00:12:45,626 --> 00:12:57,243 Um, you know, it you know, if you read my book about Dune, it is just as honest, just as like, you know, like yeah, and it's uh you know, and that's what that's the fun part, you 204 00:12:57,243 --> 00:12:57,613 know. 205 00:12:57,613 --> 00:12:58,234 absolutely. 206 00:12:58,234 --> 00:12:58,664 Yeah. 207 00:12:58,664 --> 00:13:07,899 And I and and nobody who read my book about Dune would ever think in a million years that like I don't like David Lynch or it's a hit piece or whatever. 208 00:13:07,899 --> 00:13:08,780 Oh no. 209 00:13:08,780 --> 00:13:12,664 I think it's important to talk about 210 00:13:12,664 --> 00:13:20,220 These the process of these things, honestly, because you know, y these st this this story, I mean, I can't tell you. 211 00:13:20,220 --> 00:13:27,700 I mean, I had a couple people I interviewed who died, you know, and it's like, you know, the the story is literally falling out from under us. 212 00:13:27,700 --> 00:13:28,147 Right. 213 00:13:28,147 --> 00:13:31,250 You know, when you're talking about these movies that are over four decades old. 214 00:13:31,250 --> 00:13:31,570 Yeah. 215 00:13:31,570 --> 00:13:36,014 It's like you have to get the story now or it's gonna get lost forever. 216 00:13:36,014 --> 00:13:43,059 Yeah, 'cause so the people who made them weren't necessarily like Steven Spielberg was was early in his career when he made Jaws and then a little bit later with E. 217 00:13:43,059 --> 00:13:43,380 T. 218 00:13:43,380 --> 00:13:47,523 But some people that worked on it were not were were not at the beginning of their career. 219 00:13:47,523 --> 00:13:51,066 So time, you know, time ha does what it does. 220 00:13:51,066 --> 00:13:58,361 And and you you you have to get these things now, because, you know, ten years from now, God knows who's who's gonna still be around. 221 00:13:58,361 --> 00:13:59,052 Exactly. 222 00:13:59,052 --> 00:13:59,812 Yeah, yeah. 223 00:13:59,812 --> 00:14:02,644 And yeah, and and I can't talk about yet about 224 00:14:03,234 --> 00:14:10,849 Who's in the book specifically, like I think we're way more sitting on that per but um I can tell you with you know with the exception of of Mr. 225 00:14:10,849 --> 00:14:14,582 Spielberg, uh it's pretty much everybody you would want. 226 00:14:14,582 --> 00:14:15,362 I'm very excited. 227 00:14:15,362 --> 00:14:17,143 who was a part of this. 228 00:14:17,184 --> 00:14:26,230 And including s some people you would have never think that I would have gotten for this story, you know. 229 00:14:26,230 --> 00:14:32,254 But yeah, again, because it's um because it's an unofficial book. 230 00:14:32,268 --> 00:14:36,140 You know, I don't have to just focus solely on E. 231 00:14:36,140 --> 00:14:36,470 T. 232 00:14:36,470 --> 00:14:36,841 Right. 233 00:14:36,841 --> 00:14:47,046 You know, I don't and you know, I I can I can focus on all the the you know, the the things that it inspired downstream, which is kind of what you guys have been doing so 234 00:14:47,046 --> 00:14:47,317 well. 235 00:14:47,317 --> 00:14:52,550 That that's been the well that's where we've been for the last for the last, you know, eight, nine weeks. 236 00:14:52,550 --> 00:14:56,632 I think it's been, you know, it's it's uh and it's it's just wow, it's been fast. 237 00:14:56,632 --> 00:15:00,724 Like I said, I mean, I always say at the end of these series, it's like, it's been a journey. 238 00:15:00,824 --> 00:15:03,054 But it really has been a journey. 239 00:15:04,375 --> 00:15:05,945 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 240 00:15:05,945 --> 00:15:13,457 And and if you've been, you know, for the listeners out there who've been who've been following along with this series, which I I have and I I think it's been fantastic. 241 00:15:13,457 --> 00:15:22,660 You know, I think uh if you've been if you've been following along, you know, you're gonna want to read my book because it's it's Christmas, Easter, and Hanukkah for Spielberg fans. 242 00:15:22,660 --> 00:15:27,251 Trust me, I uh just judging from your Dune book, which is just fantastic. 243 00:15:27,251 --> 00:15:30,432 And if anybody out there who who loves Dune and has not read that book 244 00:15:30,432 --> 00:15:31,663 It is so good. 245 00:15:31,663 --> 00:15:35,984 The interviews that he has, uh, masterpiece in disarray is the title. 246 00:15:35,984 --> 00:15:38,735 It is just a terrific read. 247 00:15:38,735 --> 00:15:49,060 Uh I mean we I I I sort of mainlined it w when when we were getting ready to have you on for the episode, and it was just and it was so compulsively readable, my goodness. 248 00:15:49,060 --> 00:15:54,772 So I I love I love your Dune book and I am so excited for Stranded on Earth. 249 00:15:54,772 --> 00:15:55,372 Wow. 250 00:15:55,372 --> 00:15:55,663 Yes. 251 00:15:55,663 --> 00:15:56,443 Thank you, Chris. 252 00:15:56,443 --> 00:15:57,033 Thank you. 253 00:15:57,033 --> 00:15:57,463 Yeah. 254 00:15:57,463 --> 00:15:59,334 And I think, yeah, and even if you 255 00:15:59,466 --> 00:16:08,186 Even if you don't give a rat's ass about E.T., I would say the you'll still love the book because it's it is just like a masterpiece and disarray. 256 00:16:08,186 --> 00:16:17,336 It is very intricate sort of behind the scenes look at, you know, how movies get developed, how they get made, you know, like you know, even you know, though it's forty 257 00:16:17,336 --> 00:16:23,259 five years ago, you know, it's like it's you know, obviously, you know, everybody's I feel like

everybody's seen E.T. 258 00:16:23,259 --> 00:16:24,640 Everybody's seen E. 259 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:25,080 T. 260 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:25,710 Everybody's seen E. 261 00:16:25,710 --> 00:16:25,890 T. 262 00:16:25,890 --> 00:16:29,408 But you don't, you know, it's it's a lot of people don't think about it. 263 00:16:29,408 --> 00:16:32,900 in terms of the movie itself. 264 00:16:32,900 --> 00:16:33,230 Right. 265 00:16:33,230 --> 00:16:34,811 You know, what the movie is. 266 00:16:34,811 --> 00:16:44,006 You know, they think about the merchandising and they think about the cutiness and they think about box office and the and the all the the big cultural impact. 267 00:16:44,006 --> 00:16:44,406 Yeah. 268 00:16:44,406 --> 00:16:51,800 But divorced from all that, it is a fascinating movie and, you know, and a very personal film for Spielberg. 269 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:59,446 You know, and I th yeah, I mean I think one of the you know things that, you know, we may touch on today, you know, is is uh 270 00:16:59,446 --> 00:17:03,487 A lot of the movies that tried to ape uh E.T. 271 00:17:03,487 --> 00:17:05,307 uh forgot that part. 272 00:17:05,307 --> 00:17:07,368 They forgot that, you know, E.T. 273 00:17:07,368 --> 00:17:20,491 was a personal story for Steven Spielberg that he had really invested a lot of himself into and approached it, you know, with a lot of em emotional intelligence. 274 00:17:20,571 --> 00:17:27,386 And yeah, and and and you know, obviously the way Hollywood works is they're just like, put it do a movie with an alien and a kid. 275 00:17:27,386 --> 00:17:27,773 Right. 276 00:17:27,773 --> 00:17:28,396 You know. 277 00:17:28,396 --> 00:17:32,408 That's as far as they can go into why a movie was successful. 278 00:17:32,408 --> 00:17:35,789 And it was it was much more than that. 279 00:17:36,130 --> 00:17:39,331 But yeah, I think. 280 00:17:39,331 --> 00:17:47,194 You know, that's what's that's what's cool too about, you know, a Masterpiece in Disarray and Stranded on Earth actually make amazing bookends. 281 00:17:47,194 --> 00:17:54,578 Um, because uh, you know, Dune is uh a tragedy. 282 00:17:54,578 --> 00:17:55,138 Yeah. 283 00:17:55,138 --> 00:17:58,812 And Stranded on Earth is l you know, a triumph. 284 00:17:58,812 --> 00:18:00,733 It's like a Rocky story. 285 00:18:00,733 --> 00:18:02,345 It's like it is, you know, E.T. 286 00:18:02,345 --> 00:18:06,909 was very much an underdog uh victory. 287 00:18:06,949 --> 00:18:10,943 And uh yeah, it was a movie nobody thought was going to be successful. 288 00:18:10,943 --> 00:18:11,656 for sure. 289 00:18:11,656 --> 00:18:15,908 Columbia, you know, I mean they they they said we're not interested. 290 00:18:15,908 --> 00:18:20,726 I mean they had done close encounters and they had made all this money from close encounters, and then they had 291 00:18:20,726 --> 00:18:28,428 You know, essentially Night Skies was developed for Columbia and then,

you know, we come back with E T and no, sorry, we don't want to do this Disney crap. 292 00:18:28,428 --> 00:18:29,588 Right, basically, yes. 293 00:18:29,588 --> 00:18:32,729 I mean it's a it's a lot more complex than that, but like we get into that in the book. 294 00:18:32,729 --> 00:18:35,670 But e that is that aspect is true. 295 00:18:35,670 --> 00:18:48,393 And I think uh yeah, and I I think even more importantly actually is once Universal had it, you know, I think they had it more to foster the relationship with Spielberg than 296 00:18:48,393 --> 00:18:50,954 their actu any actual enthusiasm. 297 00:18:50,956 --> 00:18:55,288 for the project itself because I yeah, because you remember, E. 298 00:18:55,288 --> 00:18:55,628 T. 299 00:18:55,628 --> 00:18:57,749 was not even financed by Universal. 300 00:18:57,749 --> 00:19:00,721 It was financed through a bond company. 301 00:19:00,721 --> 00:19:01,521 wow. 302 00:19:01,521 --> 00:19:06,509 they they didn't even put they didn't even want to put any you know uh they didn't want to put money into it. 303 00:19:06,509 --> 00:19:07,954 Holy shit. 304 00:19:07,954 --> 00:19:08,974 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 305 00:19:08,974 --> 00:19:09,405 Yeah. 306 00:19:09,405 --> 00:19:16,952 And it started that summer box office um as the uh least anticipated film of the summer. 307 00:19:16,952 --> 00:19:19,223 From a poll that they did of audiences. 308 00:19:19,223 --> 00:19:19,613 Yeah. 309 00:19:19,613 --> 00:19:22,424 So yeah, you you at that so think about that. 310 00:19:22,585 --> 00:19:25,956 Megaforce was more anticipated at one point. 311 00:19:25,956 --> 00:19:29,048 We have we covered Megaforce on the show. 312 00:19:29,048 --> 00:19:42,368 And Megaforce is is a fascinating film because I've never seen a film that is that misses the mark as much, but has its fingers on the pulse of the of the zeitgeist of the time. 313 00:19:42,368 --> 00:19:45,749 And yet somehow missed the mar it's like it had it, had G.I. 314 00:19:45,749 --> 00:19:56,672 Joe, it had it had all of this stuff in Mega Force, and yet somehow it ends up, you know, being this this bizarre thing, which I mean I still find it very entertaining, but holy 315 00:19:56,672 --> 00:19:57,902 shit, is it crazy? 316 00:19:57,902 --> 00:19:59,023 It is crazy. 317 00:19:59,023 --> 00:19:59,403 Yeah. 318 00:19:59,403 --> 00:20:02,133 You could still make a crazy movie, even in the eighties. 319 00:20:02,133 --> 00:20:03,104 Even in the eighties. 320 00:20:03,104 --> 00:20:08,575 And and I I wanna mention as it shit it's it bears noting that the original title, once E.T. 321 00:20:08,575 --> 00:20:11,276 started to become ET and Melissa Matheson 322 00:20:11,276 --> 00:20:17,729 Wrote the uh the script, but kind of coming out of night skies, the original title was E.T. 323 00:20:17,729 --> 00:20:18,850 and Me. 324 00:20:19,490 --> 00:20:24,323 Which I think beautifully ties into the last film we'll be discussing in this series. 325 00:20:24,323 --> 00:20:28,695 And and honestly, I I believe it's the perfect capstone for it. 326 00:20:28,695 --> 00:20:32,397 From 1988, this is Mac and me. 327 00:20:32,618 --> 00:20:38,070 They were an average alien family living on their own planet. 328 00:20:38,070 --> 00:20:40,681 And we were an average family living on ours. 329 00:20:41,414 --> 00:20:44,285 He took my cook, Mom. 330 00:20:44,285 --> 00:20:45,475 Come on, you guys. 331 00:20:45,475 --> 00:20:46,196 I don't have it. 332 00:20:46,196 --> 00:20:47,176 I didn't take it. 333 00:20:47,176 --> 00:20:49,637 I knew it! 334 00:20:49,637 --> 00:20:54,179 Accidents happen and like us, they found themselves in a strange new neighborhood. 335 00:20:54,179 --> 00:20:55,640 I like it. 336 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:56,317 Me too. 337 00:20:56,317 --> 00:20:57,254 Shh. 338 00:20:57,301 --> 00:20:59,681 Communing with the earth spirits. 339 00:20:59,682 --> 00:21:01,922 Welcome to California, bud. 340 00:21:01,922 --> 00:21:02,903 Alert, alert. 341 00:21:02,903 --> 00:21:03,713 We have a malfunction. 342 00:21:03,713 --> 00:21:05,534 We have a malfunction. 343 00:21:05,534 --> 00:21:06,864 Their lives were in danger. 344 00:21:06,864 --> 00:21:10,854 Thank God, Larry, get away from it. 345 00:21:11,906 --> 00:21:14,869 We got a problem here. 346 00:21:14,869 --> 00:21:16,470 They had to escape. 347 00:21:17,132 --> 00:21:20,725 When the smoke cleared, their family was separated. 348 00:21:20,725 --> 00:21:24,098 Somehow, one of the aliens was hiding in our house. 349 00:21:30,744 --> 00:21:32,714 Government wanted to capture him. 350 00:21:32,714 --> 00:21:33,976 It's here. 351 00:21:34,857 --> 00:21:36,638 Everyone was after him. 352 00:21:36,799 --> 00:21:39,681 And my brother Eric wants to make friends. 353 00:21:46,286 --> 00:21:50,052 You sucked this living thing into a vacuum cleaner. 354 00:21:50,052 --> 00:21:50,813 Yeah! 355 00:21:50,813 --> 00:21:52,636 And then we blew him out again! 356 00:21:52,636 --> 00:21:56,582 Now Eric is risking not only his life, but my life. 357 00:21:56,582 --> 00:21:57,343 Give me the guy. 358 00:21:57,343 --> 00:21:58,264 Step back! 359 00:21:58,264 --> 00:21:59,326 To save them. 360 00:21:59,326 --> 00:22:02,229 This is the way. 361 00:22:05,166 --> 00:22:06,013 Yeah. 362 00:22:10,270 --> 00:22:11,110 Yeah. 363 00:22:13,662 --> 00:22:15,564 they don't understand. 364 00:22:17,587 --> 00:22:19,689 It's about more than friendship. 365 00:22:19,689 --> 00:22:22,411 It's about adventure. 366 00:22:22,752 --> 00:22:24,493 Mac and me. 367 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:37,595 So, Mac and Me was written by Stuart Raffle and Steve Feek and directed by Raffle. 368 00:22:37,595 --> 00:22:49,537 Now, Feek wrote a movie we talked about on this show a long time ago, the 1979 Proto Slasher When a Stranger Calls, which we talked about in our Halloween series. 369 00:22:49,537 --> 00:22:58,493 And it's sort of a

fascinating movie because the first 20 minutes of When a Stranger Calls, which was the original short that he did, is amazing. 370 00:22:58,493 --> 00:23:00,514 It is genuinely. 371 00:23:00,514 --> 00:23:10,451 An incredible suspense piece, followed by like about an hour and 10 minutes of kind of plotting detective procedural. 372 00:23:10,451 --> 00:23:13,182 It's a very, very strange movie. 373 00:23:13,433 --> 00:23:24,750 and then Raffle wrote and directed a movie we covered in our Star Wars series that we absolutely loved, 1984's The Ice Pirates, which is just 374 00:23:25,042 --> 00:23:27,513 One of the strangest movies we've we've talked about. 375 00:23:27,513 --> 00:23:31,486 We really loved it because it has a certain sensibility about it. 376 00:23:31,486 --> 00:23:38,029 He would later go on to direct Mannequin 2 on the move for all you mannequin fans out there. 377 00:23:38,029 --> 00:23:42,412 uh He wrote Passenger 57, which we talked about in our Die Hard series. 378 00:23:42,412 --> 00:23:48,135 And then he wrote and directed 1994's Tammy and the T-Rex. 379 00:23:48,135 --> 00:23:52,007 So Mac and Me was produced by a guy named RJ Lewis. 380 00:23:52,007 --> 00:23:54,110 Now he was the executive producer of 381 00:23:54,110 --> 00:23:56,112 On the Karate Kids series. 382 00:23:56,112 --> 00:24:05,460 He seems to have uh worked a lot with Jerry Weintrump in movies involving, you know, ranging from pure country to Ocean's Eleven. 383 00:24:05,460 --> 00:24:11,815 And he also worked on an advertising campaign for Ronald McDonald House charities. 384 00:24:11,815 --> 00:24:16,509 And the story of Mac and me kind of begins there. 385 00:24:16,509 --> 00:24:23,256 Lewis wanted to make a film that was sort of a cross-promotional effort with McDonald's, with the proceeds. 386 00:24:23,256 --> 00:24:24,746 Going to charity. 387 00:24:24,746 --> 00:24:27,008 I'm like, what could be better than that? 388 00:24:27,008 --> 00:24:32,130 And Lewis's quote is saying, well, hey, Ron McDonald, more well known than Santa Claus. 389 00:24:32,130 --> 00:24:32,920 And E.T. 390 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:33,880 was close behind. 391 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:42,614 So putting them all together, uh, you know, a a movie about an alien lost on Earth who befriends a young boy and heavily features McDonald's. 392 00:24:42,914 --> 00:24:44,794 What could go wrong? 393 00:24:46,375 --> 00:24:50,477 And I have to admit, I I I gotta say, I had never seen Mac and Me before this week. 394 00:24:50,477 --> 00:24:53,418 I knew it by reputation, I had seen clips from it. 395 00:24:53,664 --> 00:25:03,110 and and honestly, when a movie is hyped as like so bad it's good, to the degree that Mac and Me is, there's always the possibility it doesn't live up to that in your mind. 396 00:25:03,110 --> 00:25:08,063 Like it's it's this can't be as insane a movie as I thought it was going to be. 397 00:25:08,063 --> 00:25:12,846 But holy shit, Mac and Me is as insane of a movie as I thought it was going to be. 398 00:25:12,846 --> 00:25:13,807 What did you guys find? 399 00:25:13,807 --> 00:25:16,228 I don't know, was this your first experience with Mac and Me? 400 00:25:16,228 --> 00:25:19,690 Or is this have you been on the Mac and Me train? 401 00:25:19,830 --> 00:25:22,492 Since nineteen eighty eight, has anybody been on the Mac and me? 402 00:25:22,492 --> 00:25:24,444 I don't even know what possessed me to say that. 403 00:25:24,444 --> 00:25:25,494 My God. 404 00:25:25,795 --> 00:25:29,078 I I certainly knew Macadme when it came out. 405 00:25:29,078 --> 00:25:32,741 It's funny, I have a very distinct memory. 406 00:25:32,741 --> 00:25:38,766 Um, and this is this speaks very well to my parents. 407 00:25:38,846 --> 00:25:47,714 I remember being waiting in a long line to get into Who Framed Roger Rabbit? 408 00:25:47,714 --> 00:25:48,278 yeah. 409 00:25:48,278 --> 00:25:51,981 And my dad was like, we're gonna go see who frame Roger Rabbit. 410 00:25:51,981 --> 00:25:58,866 And like in the line, I'm just looking at the poster for Mac and me, like, I wanna see Mac and me. 411 00:25:58,866 --> 00:26:07,912 Why are you taking me to this stupid rabbit movie when we could be watching this really cute alien right now? 412 00:26:07,912 --> 00:26:09,793 Why do you what are you doing to me? 413 00:26:09,793 --> 00:26:13,216 And my dad was just like, You don't wanna see that. 414 00:26:13,216 --> 00:26:16,938 And I'm and I'm like, Yeah. 415 00:26:17,270 --> 00:26:19,992 You know, like and then of course I saw Roger Robin. 416 00:26:19,992 --> 00:26:24,652 It's one one of my you know, one of the most joyful movie going experiences of my childhood. 417 00:26:24,652 --> 00:26:33,949 You know, maybe fall in love with Robert Semeckis as a director, you know, and and um yeah, it's it's just a be perfect um it's w it's one of the perfect movies of the 418 00:26:33,949 --> 00:26:34,650 eighties. 419 00:26:34,650 --> 00:26:36,311 Who Frame Roger Rabbit's a delight. 420 00:26:36,311 --> 00:26:38,582 it's just I mean, it just just fantastic. 421 00:26:38,582 --> 00:26:39,162 Yeah, yeah. 422 00:26:39,162 --> 00:26:46,526 And then I remember later w you know, we uh watching Mac and Me at home when it came out, you know. 423 00:26:46,528 --> 00:27:00,424 on TV and uh even at that age, which I I may it was like uh maybe eight or nine, I was I just looked at my mom, I'm like, this seems like a commercial for McDonald's. 424 00:27:01,978 --> 00:27:13,370 It's like you know, if if you can't get that over an eight year old, you know, I was like you know, but I mean like ET itself 425 00:27:13,876 --> 00:27:15,647 is full of product placement. 426 00:27:15,647 --> 00:27:16,608 Indeed. 427 00:27:16,608 --> 00:27:23,572 But it's like, but but but you know, they managed to actually weave it seamlessly into the plot. 428 00:27:23,572 --> 00:27:30,135 You know, like Reese's pieces and speak and

spell and you know those were actual product placements. 429 00:27:30,135 --> 00:27:34,118 Like they were paid money to put those products in that movie. 430 00:27:34,118 --> 00:27:41,164 But it it's not you know it it it it doesn't have that icky, sticky feeling to it. 431 00:27:41,164 --> 00:27:48,717 Because you know, the whole movie is meant to be grounded in that time. 432 00:27:48,717 --> 00:27:49,087 Right. 433 00:27:49,087 --> 00:27:59,241 Speel speel speelbook wanted people to watch the movie and connect to it on that level the same way that when Stephen King writes a novel, nobody's just eating a candy bar. 434 00:27:59,241 --> 00:28:00,718 They're eating a Snickers bar. 435 00:28:00,718 --> 00:28:00,958 Right. 436 00:28:00,958 --> 00:28:02,853 Nobody's just reading a comic book. 437 00:28:02,853 --> 00:28:05,014 They're reading an amazing Spider-Man or something. 438 00:28:05,014 --> 00:28:06,984 You know, so it's like there's a specificity. 439 00:28:06,984 --> 00:28:10,870 Yes, and and I I agree, because brands exist in the world. 440 00:28:10,870 --> 00:28:13,732 And it it's silly for movies to not present otherwise. 441 00:28:13,732 --> 00:28:22,056 I mean, unless you're doing, you know, if you're doing Cleopatra or you're doing, you know, you know, something set in the distant future, that's one thing. 442 00:28:22,056 --> 00:28:24,837 But like, you know, let me put it this way. 443 00:28:24,878 --> 00:28:30,821 I actually think it breaks the sense of reality when someone walks into a bar and orders a beer. 444 00:28:30,821 --> 00:28:31,761 Yeah. 445 00:28:31,761 --> 00:28:33,462 Nobody walks into a bar and orders a beer. 446 00:28:33,462 --> 00:28:40,622 You order some you know, you want a bud, do you want a Heineken, do you want, you know, uh you know, a Coors uh 447 00:28:40,622 --> 00:28:42,203 Course, light, whatever it is. 448 00:28:42,203 --> 00:28:45,094 Like or if you're Frank Booth, Paps Blue Ribbon. 449 00:28:45,094 --> 00:28:46,605 Paps Blue Ribbon, for sure. 450 00:28:46,605 --> 00:28:47,525 For sure. 451 00:28:47,525 --> 00:28:53,568 But like it's it's that thing of like, you know, the brands exist in the world, and yet E.T. 452 00:28:53,568 --> 00:28:56,629 maintains this balance between commercialism. 453 00:28:56,629 --> 00:29:00,461 It's there, it exists, uh, and and the story itself. 454 00:29:00,461 --> 00:29:04,512 And the products are showcased in a way that feel very organic. 455 00:29:04,512 --> 00:29:05,293 Yeah, yeah. 456 00:29:05,293 --> 00:29:05,723 Yeah. 457 00:29:05,723 --> 00:29:08,564 I mean, it will it wasn't as organic. 458 00:29:08,736 --> 00:29:10,376 Later on when E.T. 459 00:29:10,376 --> 00:29:13,257 actually did a real coors advertisement. 460 00:29:13,257 --> 00:29:14,568 Which is amazing. 461 00:29:14,568 --> 00:29:14,848 E.T. 462 00:29:14,848 --> 00:29:18,289 isn't a coors advertisement, is is fantastic. 463 00:29:18,289 --> 00:29:18,859 He's a bar. 464

00:29:18,859 --> 00:29:20,719 Honestly, I kind of want that on my wall. 465 00:29:20,719 --> 00:29:23,526 Like you c I'm pretty sure you can get it. 466 00:29:23,786 --> 00:29:24,511 Yeah. 467 00:29:24,511 --> 00:29:25,441 Well, you what I'm thinking? 468 00:29:25,441 --> 00:29:36,204 I'm thinking of I I I don't often I don't I'm not a big autograph guy, but I there is one autograph that was in a comic book store out here in Los Angeles that I saw time and 469 00:29:36,204 --> 00:29:37,134 again. 470 00:29:37,216 --> 00:29:39,147 And I was like, I should buy that. 471 00:29:39,147 --> 00:29:41,258 And it was an autograph picture of Billy D. 472 00:29:41,258 --> 00:29:41,866 Williams. 473 00:29:41,866 --> 00:29:42,329 Mm-hmm. 474 00:29:42,329 --> 00:29:43,610 Was it from Star Wars? 475 00:29:43,610 --> 00:29:44,630 No, it was not. 476 00:29:44,630 --> 00:29:46,251 Was it from Batman? 477 00:29:46,251 --> 00:29:46,961 No, it was not. 478 00:29:46,961 --> 00:29:49,243 It was an a cult forty five ad. 479 00:29:49,243 --> 00:29:51,084 And I'm like, I want it. 480 00:29:51,084 --> 00:29:51,774 And it's gone. 481 00:29:51,774 --> 00:29:52,775 It's long gone. 482 00:29:52,775 --> 00:29:54,506 And I that would have been the way to go. 483 00:29:54,506 --> 00:29:55,976 Oh, it really would have. 484 00:29:55,976 --> 00:29:57,967 I was I I should've I should have done it. 485 00:29:57,967 --> 00:30:00,759 I should have pulled the trigger on it. 486 00:30:00,759 --> 00:30:03,330 Justin, was this your first experience with Mac and me? 487 00:30:03,330 --> 00:30:04,461 I'm very curious. 488 00:30:04,461 --> 00:30:04,981 It was. 489 00:30:04,981 --> 00:30:06,412 I had seen clips. 490 00:30:06,412 --> 00:30:11,566 Because this has been circulating in online and in film circles for many years, of course. 491 00:30:11,566 --> 00:30:13,837 That Conan O'Brien clip, obviously. 492 00:30:13,837 --> 00:30:15,448 Yeah, absolutely. 493 00:30:15,448 --> 00:30:22,493 So it's I've seen enough to know in the past, but this was my first front to back watch. 494 00:30:22,493 --> 00:30:25,962 it's it's it's I'm I'm sure it was revelatory. 495 00:30:25,962 --> 00:30:28,347 Um I I found it revelatory. 496 00:30:28,347 --> 00:30:29,218 It was something. 497 00:30:29,218 --> 00:30:31,399 Because I I started to watch the film. 498 00:30:31,399 --> 00:30:34,482 And I and I you know, and I'm I I I'm like, okay, this is curious. 499 00:30:34,482 --> 00:30:35,168 But I 500 00:30:35,168 --> 00:30:38,580 When I as why I watch the film, I realized this deeper truth. 501 00:30:38,580 --> 00:30:41,182 There is a deeper truth to Mac and Me. 502 00:30:41,182 --> 00:30:47,807 And it's something we'll talk about as we go, but I kind of want to state it at the beginning, because it's kind of my thesis of all of this. 503 00:30:47,967 --> 00:30:53,371 Mac and Me is actually a really important movie in the context of 80s cinema. 504 00:30:53,751 --> 00:30:55,002 And here's why. 505 00:30:55,002 --> 00:31:03,192 Because that decade saw commercialism in motion pictures rise to this unprecedented level in a way that. 506 00:31:03,192 --> 00:31:04,212 you know, we hadn't seen before. 507 00:31:04,212 --> 00:31:06,784 You know, that can and that can manifest itself in a couple of ways. 508 00:31:06,784 --> 00:31:15,739 It can manifest itself like Star Wars and selling merchandise based on you know t-shirts, toys, whatever, but also showcasing products in the movie. 509 00:31:15,739 --> 00:31:21,633 As we talked about with E.T., you know, was very, you know, was well that was very much part of it. 510 00:31:21,633 --> 00:31:23,934 And that continued through the 80s. 511 00:31:23,934 --> 00:31:31,118 The 80s is a decade where you really see products in movies, whether it's it's the Coca-Cola can in Dana's 512 00:31:31,232 --> 00:31:42,670 refrigerator in in uh in in Ghostbusters or you know the the products became interwoven and commercialism became interwoven in movies. 513 00:31:42,831 --> 00:31:52,598 It's not to say it started in the 80s, but it became part of the the fabric of movies in a way that it I think had never been before. 514 00:31:52,679 --> 00:31:57,464 And Mac and me is like the apex of this trend. 515 00:31:57,464 --> 00:32:06,717 Like to the to the most absurd degree that you are like you're building your movie as a showcase for products. 516 00:32:06,717 --> 00:32:12,889 It's it is it is th commercialism in movies to the nth degree. 517 00:32:12,889 --> 00:32:13,259 Yeah. 518 00:32:13,259 --> 00:32:17,960 Mac and me flew too close to the product placement sun. 519 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:22,442 Oh it oh my god flew right into the product placement sun. 520 00:32:22,442 --> 00:32:24,002 It it it and and 521 00:32:24,002 --> 00:32:35,011 You know, Lewis, the RJ Lewis, the producer, has denied that McDonald's directly funded Mac and Me, but it did get money from Golden State Foods, a who distributes food supplies 522 00:32:35,011 --> 00:32:36,772 to McDonald's. 523 00:32:37,513 --> 00:32:43,578 And and and there's a truck bearing that company's name that is prominently featured in a key scene. 524 00:32:43,578 --> 00:32:45,642 I mean It's an inside job. 525 00:32:45,642 --> 00:32:50,754 And and and not just McDonald's either, but uh obviously Coca-Cola, like Coca-Cola. 526 00:32:50,754 --> 00:32:54,176 Coca-Cola is literally the thing that 527 00:32:54,258 --> 00:33:08,116 s it et the thing that saves et is love right in this movie it's coca-cola coca-cola is literally the elixir of life in this movie yeah i and then there's skittles there's sears 528 00:33:08,116 --> 00:33:21,760 there's uh starkiss tuna i mean there are so many i mean and the fact i mean the the the mac in mac and me stands for mysterious alien creature 529 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,372 Just a coincidence that McDonald's has the Big Mac. 530 00:33:25,372 --> 00:33:30,785 I I don't I can't

imagine that actually figured into it uh as it well, you know, that it's it's just a coincidence. 531 00:33:30,785 --> 00:33:31,610 My God. 532 00:33:31,610 --> 00:33:32,256 I don't know. 533 00:33:32,256 --> 00:33:36,458 And the logo being in that yellow font there. 534 00:33:36,458 --> 00:33:36,664 Yep. 535 00:33:36,664 --> 00:33:38,289 It's very McDonald's reminiscent. 536 00:33:38,289 --> 00:33:44,102 Remember they used to have those kind of French fry looking I don't know what you'd call them, on the roofs of McDonald's. 537 00:33:44,102 --> 00:33:47,844 There was always yellow bars that looked kinda like french fries. 538 00:33:47,844 --> 00:33:51,426 I think everything is subliminal with them and this is 539 00:33:51,746 --> 00:33:52,566 Just coincidence. 540 00:33:52,566 --> 00:33:53,456 Just coincidence. 541 00:33:53,456 --> 00:33:54,567 Just coincidence. 542 00:33:54,567 --> 00:34:00,989 I would I would like to think that there was like a whiteboard with like alternate product placement titles. 543 00:34:00,989 --> 00:34:04,359 Like my pal Whopper. 544 00:34:05,650 --> 00:34:07,470 God, what would it be? 545 00:34:07,470 --> 00:34:21,257 Bacon ate her, hardly knew her, or whatever, you know, like McAmee stars Christine Ebersall, Jonathan Ward, Katrina Caspery, Lauren Stanley, and Jade Calgary. 546 00:34:21,257 --> 00:34:24,108 As Eric, the young boy who befriends the alien. 547 00:34:24,108 --> 00:34:30,181 Now, Eric in the movie is confined to a wheelchair, which Calgary was in real life due to Spina bifida. 548 00:34:30,181 --> 00:34:34,903 Apparently it was a stipulation of the producers that the main character had to be disabled. 549 00:34:34,903 --> 00:34:39,204 And I gotta say, you know, th this is a movie with a lot of problems. 550 00:34:39,204 --> 00:34:43,691 We're gonna get into those problems, but the acting's not really one of them. 551 00:34:43,691 --> 00:34:46,351 Like they're the the acting across the board is fine. 552 00:34:46,351 --> 00:34:55,183 And and Calgary, I think, is actually pretty good, considering he did not have a lot of acting experience, and some of the stuff he was called upon to do was was crazy. 553 00:34:55,183 --> 00:34:59,004 I mean, you know, we'll we'll get into it, but my my goodness. 554 00:34:59,004 --> 00:35:04,995 I mean, even that aspect of the movie I mean, I find I mean I'm just gonna give everybody a spoiler warning right now. 555 00:35:04,995 --> 00:35:05,405 go for it. 556 00:35:05,405 --> 00:35:07,745 I fucking despise this movie. 557 00:35:08,745 --> 00:35:13,166 And uh yeah, like actually it's funny, my my publisher would kept pushing me. 558 00:35:13,196 --> 00:35:15,428 to do like a section on MacAME. 559 00:35:15,428 --> 00:35:21,112 And eventually I just I just told them like, I don't think I'm gonna do that because that means I'll have to watch MacAME. 560 00:35:21,112 --> 00:35:28,667 I that is the same And so um yeah and now and now I called and

you were like we'll do it. 561 00:35:28,667 --> 00:35:33,281 I th it it was definitely a a I thought I was out, they pulled me back in moment. 562 00:35:33,281 --> 00:35:36,803 But like yeah like I I I fucking despise this movie. 563 00:35:36,803 --> 00:35:39,215 I don't have a hot take on it. 564 00:35:39,215 --> 00:35:40,766 I don't have a 565 00:35:40,866 --> 00:35:43,387 I I I I'm not going to try to reclaim it. 566 00:35:43,387 --> 00:35:47,388 I'm not gonna try to say it secretly has grace notes. 567 00:35:47,388 --> 00:35:51,626 I every inch of this movie is just fabulous. 568 00:35:51,626 --> 00:35:56,010 It's it's crawling with commercialism, my God. 569 00:35:56,010 --> 00:36:06,683 Not even just the commercial, just the crassness and the cynicalness of of taking just the the most superficial parts of E.T. 570 00:36:06,683 --> 00:36:09,836 the extraterrestrial and thinking you can build a car out of that. 571 00:36:09,836 --> 00:36:10,096 Yeah. 572 00:36:10,096 --> 00:36:25,582 You know, and and I mean like it's it's you know, uh watching the movie felt like uh I had a toxin injected into my body and I have to now go find the president in twenty four hours 573 00:36:25,582 --> 00:36:26,413 or I will die. 574 00:36:26,413 --> 00:36:26,884 Right. 575 00:36:26,884 --> 00:36:27,204 Yeah. 576 00:36:27,204 --> 00:36:28,966 No, well it's listen, that's it. 577 00:36:28,966 --> 00:36:32,109 You gotta that or they you know, you tell them to get another president. 578 00:36:32,109 --> 00:36:33,358 That's there you go. 579 00:36:33,358 --> 00:36:35,819 Uh so we open. 580 00:36:35,819 --> 00:36:42,799 We open on it's funny, we open on this alien world, which is an interesting, you know, kind of contrast to some of these pictures. 581 00:36:42,799 --> 00:36:47,582 Usually it begins with aliens coming to Earth, but here we open on this alien world. 582 00:36:47,582 --> 00:36:50,863 We could tell it's an alien world because of the ringed moon in the sky. 583 00:36:50,863 --> 00:36:53,464 And and there's actually a pretty great Mac painting here. 584 00:36:53,464 --> 00:36:58,865 The score by Alan Silvestri here is sort of atmospheric and and m mysterious. 585 00:36:58,865 --> 00:37:01,126 How did they get Alan Silvestri? 586 00:37:01,126 --> 00:37:02,316 I have no idea. 587 00:37:02,316 --> 00:37:06,859 Although it's funny because he is cribbing his back to the future score hard. 588 00:37:06,859 --> 00:37:07,500 Big time. 589 00:37:07,500 --> 00:37:11,813 He is going full James Horner, Battle Beyond the Stars. 590 00:37:11,813 --> 00:37:16,596 Like I was like, is this This feels like it's it's back to the future. 591 00:37:16,637 --> 00:37:18,838 Like that's the music from Back to the Future. 592 00:37:18,838 --> 00:37:25,543 I mean, I I know he had like vineyard bills or whatever to pay, but like, you know, he really does own a vineyard. 593 00:37:25,543 --> 00:37:26,384 But like Really? 594 00:37:26,384 --> 00:37:27,945 I didn't know he really that's not a joke. 595 00:37:27,945 --> 00:37:29,366 But like uh 596 00:37:29,420 --> 00:37:37,122 This is the period what he you know, he'd already done Back to the Future, he'd already done Romance of the Stone, he'd just done fucking Who Frame Roger Rabbit. 597 00:37:37,122 --> 00:37:37,302 Yeah. 598 00:37:37,302 --> 00:37:40,026 He's about to do the the other two Back to the Future movies. 599 00:37:40,026 --> 00:37:41,797 He's about to do The Abyss. 600 00:37:41,797 --> 00:37:44,938 Like, he was better than this already. 601 00:37:45,139 --> 00:37:47,060 Wine's a tough business. 602 00:37:48,701 --> 00:37:50,352 I watched Falcon Crest as a kid. 603 00:37:50,352 --> 00:37:52,142 Wine's a tough business. 604 00:37:52,683 --> 00:37:55,184 The charity aspect might have been part of it too. 605 00:37:55,184 --> 00:37:56,015 That's true. 606 00:37:56,015 --> 00:37:58,232 Cause they and and apparently they did donate. 607 00:37:58,232 --> 00:37:59,453 Don't meet money to charity. 608 00:37:59,453 --> 00:38:00,744 Did it did get there? 609 00:38:00,744 --> 00:38:05,307 I mean, and and Ronald McDonald House does do valid work for sure. 610 00:38:05,307 --> 00:38:15,954 Um, it's but it's it's interesting because like this opening moment here is like this is the most graceful moment of the movie, is this opening shot. 611 00:38:15,954 --> 00:38:19,757 Like you actually feel some kind of grace to this thing. 612 00:38:19,757 --> 00:38:25,601 And then we see the aliens and holy shit. 613 00:38:26,042 --> 00:38:27,122 I mean. 614 00:38:27,394 --> 00:38:31,297 These things, good lord, I just don't know. 615 00:38:31,658 --> 00:38:32,919 First of all, there's four of them. 616 00:38:32,919 --> 00:38:34,020 It's a family of four. 617 00:38:34,020 --> 00:38:36,922 We get the impression a father, mother, two kids. 618 00:38:36,922 --> 00:38:43,267 The parents are are obviously adult actors in suits, but they are so ungamely. 619 00:38:43,327 --> 00:38:47,532 Like the way they move, it's the most bizarre thing. 620 00:38:47,532 --> 00:38:48,692 Yeah. 621 00:38:48,713 --> 00:38:49,343 Yeah, yeah. 622 00:38:49,343 --> 00:38:52,195 And I mean it's it's interesting. 623 00:38:52,436 --> 00:38:55,278 You know, once again, it's like this is where. 624 00:38:55,596 --> 00:39:09,440 the eye of a real artist comes into play 'cause when Spielberg was developing the look of E.T., you know, like he was, you know, you know, he he was looking at you know, real world 625 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:10,420 references. 626 00:39:10,420 --> 00:39:15,312 He was looking at, you know, uh what is like Jonas Salk and people like that. 627 00:39:15,312 --> 00:39:22,274 Like just very like wizened kind of but but but but but but friendly and benign. 628 00:39:22,274 --> 00:39:23,530 You know, like he he 629 00:39:23,530 --> 00:39:26,951 He deliberately didn't make E.T. 630 00:39:26,951 --> 00:39:28,812 um uber cute.

631 00:39:28,812 --> 00:39:29,412 Right. 632 00:39:29,412 --> 00:39:34,573 Like he wanted you to be a little bit repelled by E.T. 633 00:39:34,573 --> 00:39:41,805 initially because he didn't want you to s think that you know the reason you love E.T. 634 00:39:41,805 --> 00:39:43,016 is because he's cute. 635 00:39:43,016 --> 00:39:43,426 Right. 636 00:39:43,426 --> 00:39:45,416 You know, like you would you you love E.T. 637 00:39:45,416 --> 00:39:47,697 because he has a beautiful soul and all that stuff. 638 00:39:47,697 --> 00:39:52,334 And like here, like, you know, it's clearly like, you know, these these aliens are like googly eyes. 639 00:39:52,334 --> 00:39:54,175 Oh god googly eyes. 640 00:39:54,175 --> 00:39:58,296 Googly eyes, the the way they move is just a fucking problem. 641 00:39:58,296 --> 00:40:00,256 Like it's just a problem. 642 00:40:00,316 --> 00:40:03,417 And and and the butthole mouths on top of it. 643 00:40:03,417 --> 00:40:04,307 Yeah. 644 00:40:04,307 --> 00:40:06,108 my like the like I see them early on. 645 00:40:06,108 --> 00:40:09,279 They're like sticking straws into the ground to try and drink water. 646 00:40:09,279 --> 00:40:20,302 But like I I mean, and I I understand that apparently like the the five technicians operating the animatronics on this face, and the mouth can't move in a way that doesn't 647 00:40:20,302 --> 00:40:21,110 like. 648 00:40:21,110 --> 00:40:27,475 It's just it's upsetting and it's accompanied by this slurping sound that would make FuzzBucket jealous. 649 00:40:27,475 --> 00:40:29,987 Like it is really, really something. 650 00:40:29,987 --> 00:40:38,845 None of the animatronics operators were communicating throughout the film because it seems like uh every part of this of each one of these aliens is moving independent of the 651 00:40:38,845 --> 00:40:39,486 others. 652 00:40:39,486 --> 00:40:39,828 Yes. 653 00:40:39,828 --> 00:40:43,228 There's not really a natural concert to any of it. 654 00:40:43,329 --> 00:40:43,969 It's upsetting. 655 00:40:43,969 --> 00:40:45,631 The buttholes a great point, Chris. 656 00:40:45,631 --> 00:40:46,812 I'm glad you brought that up. 657 00:40:46,812 --> 00:40:48,653 It's butthole are usually a good point. 658 00:40:48,653 --> 00:40:49,990 I will you know uh 659 00:40:49,990 --> 00:40:52,101 riddled with butthole references. 660 00:40:52,101 --> 00:40:59,794 And I think that people have clamored for years for releasing the butthole version of cats. 661 00:40:59,794 --> 00:41:01,665 Yes, apparently that's true. 662 00:41:01,665 --> 00:41:01,975 Yeah. 663 00:41:01,975 --> 00:41:10,259 If you're if you're hankering for some cat anus, then you can head over to Mac and Me and just get straight on alien anus in your face. 664 00:41:10,259 --> 00:41:12,340 In their face in their faces. 665 00:41:12,340 --> 00:41:15,001 In their faces and in ours as an audience. 666 00:41:15,001 --> 00:41:16,541 It's a it's a lot of butthole.

667 00:41:16,541 --> 00:41:17,772 It it's so funny. 668 00:41:17,772 --> 00:41:18,444 Like 669 00:41:18,444 --> 00:41:23,377 Well, you know, uh Max, you're talking about how how well the the the thing Spielberg did, because E.T. 670 00:41:23,377 --> 00:41:27,629 in some ways is there's there is a little bit of like it's not quite cute. 671 00:41:27,629 --> 00:41:30,731 It's it's i again, as you say, you you love E.T. 672 00:41:30,731 --> 00:41:32,882 because of of the soul. 673 00:41:32,902 --> 00:41:46,894 And so many of the alien creatures, not including Jeff Bridges, Jeff Bridges aside, but so many of the alien creatures that we've had on this series are just off. 674 00:41:46,894 --> 00:42:02,078 Pudding in the extreme Like whether it's whether it's Nuki with his all the snot running down his face or the rat-tailed fuzzbucket or the two the body or harmode I mean it's just 675 00:42:02,078 --> 00:42:08,400 even the the aliens from explorers, while they are incredibly well realized, I found there's something grotesque about them. 676 00:42:08,620 --> 00:42:15,574 Well, here we've reached the the the we've reached the the the apex of grotesqueness. 677 00:42:15,574 --> 00:42:17,595 With these things, my God. 678 00:42:17,595 --> 00:42:18,415 Mm-hmm. 679 00:42:18,415 --> 00:42:32,899 Yeah, like the the the Rob Bouteen creatures in Explorers reflect perfectly the tone of Explorers, which is a little bit snarky and a little bit cartoonish. 680 00:42:32,899 --> 00:42:37,320 Um yeah, and the yeah, and and the the look of E. 681 00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:43,692 T reflects that movie, which is, you know, a little more heartfelt, you know, a little more um raw. 682 00:42:43,692 --> 00:42:43,962 Yeah. 683 00:42:43,962 --> 00:42:44,933 You know, like E.T. 684 00:42:44,933 --> 00:42:45,083 E.T. 685 00:42:45,083 --> 00:42:51,106 looks very raw because he's, you know, literally literally wears his heart on his sleeve. 686 00:42:51,106 --> 00:42:54,665 Um, you know, uh, or or through his chest anyway. 687 00:42:54,665 --> 00:42:55,268 Indeed. 688 00:42:55,268 --> 00:42:57,630 And um, yeah, his sacred heart. 689 00:42:57,630 --> 00:43:00,912 Did you guys talk at all about the Jesus thing in E.T.? 690 00:43:00,912 --> 00:43:01,502 yeah. 691 00:43:01,502 --> 00:43:03,033 it's a New Testament movie for sure. 692 00:43:03,033 --> 00:43:03,807 It's a hundred percent. 693 00:43:03,807 --> 00:43:06,785 We talk Close Encounters is an old testament movie, E. 694 00:43:06,785 --> 00:43:06,925 T. 695 00:43:06,925 --> 00:43:08,015 is a New Testament movie. 696 00:43:08,015 --> 00:43:08,756 That's right. 697 00:43:08,756 --> 00:43:09,436 Yes. 698 00:43:09,436 --> 00:43:10,117 Yeah. 699 00:43:10,117 --> 00:43:10,417 Yeah. 700 00:43:10,417 --> 00:43:13,038 I just always thought it was funny that America's 701 00:43:13,226 --> 00:43:15,437 most prominent Jewish director. 702 00:43:15,437 --> 00:43:16,237 I know, right? 703 00:43:16,237 --> 00:43:19,789 Most popular Jesus allegory of our time. 704 00:43:19,789 --> 00:43:21,880 For uh absolutely. 705 00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:23,851 It is, it is, it is incredible. 706 00:43:23,851 --> 00:43:33,295 Uh and and again, a perfect companion piece to close encounters, which is, you know, the the the voice from the sky is demanding things of people on the ground. 707 00:43:33,295 --> 00:43:36,416 That's that's about as old testament as it gets. 708 00:43:36,416 --> 00:43:37,276 My goodness. 709 00:43:37,276 --> 00:43:38,137 Yeah, yeah. 710 00:43:38,137 --> 00:43:41,698 And I mean a lot of that comes from Paul Schrader's 711 00:43:42,006 --> 00:43:51,095 uh early drafts, which was literally um the main character was initially not an everyman like Roy Neary. 712 00:43:51,095 --> 00:43:54,508 He was um more like Jay Allen Heinek. 713 00:43:54,508 --> 00:43:54,738 Right. 714 00:43:54,738 --> 00:44:00,134 He was he was an investigator who was debunking these a debunker who becomes a true believer. 715 00:44:00,134 --> 00:44:01,644 So it had this 716 00:44:03,212 --> 00:44:06,744 It was literally supposed to be Paul on the road to Damascus. 717 00:44:06,744 --> 00:44:15,528 Paul on the road to Mam Moses the the Egyptian prince who becomes Moses the uh you know the the one the freer of the of the Hebrew people. 718 00:44:15,528 --> 00:44:17,258 I mean that's uh Yeah, yeah, yeah. 719 00:44:17,258 --> 00:44:27,023 And even through the development, even as the character evolved and you know, w did a 180, you know, that underpinning remained. 720 00:44:27,023 --> 00:44:27,593 Absolutely. 721 00:44:27,593 --> 00:44:28,934 You know, even even 722 00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:36,374 Paul Schrader has said like this the spiritual aspect of close encounters came from him. 723 00:44:36,394 --> 00:44:42,017 And you know, yes, I I think that, you know, again, this is why movies work. 724 00:44:42,017 --> 00:44:46,580 It's because you're it's it's not it's nothing to do with the surface. 725 00:44:46,580 --> 00:44:46,960 Right. 726 00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:51,263 You know, like the a billion people tried to, you know, you guys, this is your whole podcast. 727 00:44:51,263 --> 00:44:52,454 This is this is the podcast. 728 00:44:52,454 --> 00:44:54,065 This is the show for sure. 729 00:44:54,065 --> 00:44:56,826 A billion people tried to do Star Wars. 730 00:44:56,854 --> 00:45:07,431 You know, and it's like the thing that made Star Wars successful was not pew pew and spaceships and lasers, it was Joseph Campbell, the heroes, Thousand Faces, you know, and 731 00:45:07,431 --> 00:45:13,166 and all those, you know, anthropological underpinnings that uh that George Lucas put into it. 732 00:45:13,166 --> 00:45:18,409 A billion other people tried to do Star Wars and only You're the Hunter from the Future nailed it. 733 00:45:18,409 --> 00:45:21,792 uh Yeah. 734 00:45:21,792 --> 00:45:25,664 So pretty soon we're we have these aliens, these that are

just 735 00:45:25,938 --> 00:45:26,919 man, there's something else. 736 00:45:26,919 --> 00:45:31,522 And pretty soon a spacecraft ascends, and we can see on the side that it says NASA. 737 00:45:31,522 --> 00:45:33,924 And it's an automated NASA survey vehicle. 738 00:45:33,924 --> 00:45:44,522 Now, before we get into what happens, because what happens is something else, it's an extraordinary uh there's an extraordinary thing here because there's implications here for 739 00:45:44,522 --> 00:45:50,377 this that are I think the movie itself does not consider its own implications. 740 00:45:50,377 --> 00:45:52,338 Either, A. 741 00:45:52,428 --> 00:45:57,901 This planet that these aliens are living on is somewhere in our solar system. 742 00:45:57,901 --> 00:46:01,003 Which, man, that would be extraordinary. 743 00:46:01,003 --> 00:46:15,180 Or B, in the universe of Mac and Me, the human beings of 1988 have mastered faster than light interstellar travel and are sending probes throughout the galaxy. 744 00:46:15,180 --> 00:46:21,033 Although everything else is the technological level of just 1988 that we remember. 745 00:46:21,033 --> 00:46:22,466 Guys, what do you think? 746 00:46:22,466 --> 00:46:28,688 The implications here of what we've we could have achieved, or is this an unknown planet in our solar system? 747 00:46:28,688 --> 00:46:29,789 Justin. 748 00:46:30,349 --> 00:46:32,230 Geez, Chris, that's a big question. 749 00:46:32,230 --> 00:46:33,750 It is a big question. 750 00:46:33,750 --> 00:46:38,172 This is these me is i unintentionally asking some big questions. 751 00:46:38,172 --> 00:46:39,592 Well, I think my God. 752 00:46:39,592 --> 00:46:44,274 I think this is our first eyes on Melmax. 753 00:46:46,134 --> 00:46:48,555 And remember, Melmac is made of Melmac. 754 00:46:48,555 --> 00:46:49,816 It is made of Melmac. 755 00:46:49,816 --> 00:46:50,836 That's true. 756 00:46:50,836 --> 00:46:52,357 These things all dovetail. 757 00:46:52,357 --> 00:46:56,279 Justin, we're uh we're still watching Alf in my house, just so you know. 758 00:46:56,279 --> 00:46:56,849 Are you? 759 00:46:56,849 --> 00:46:59,521 We're almost halfway through season one. 760 00:46:59,941 --> 00:47:01,622 I might watch some more tonight. 761 00:47:01,622 --> 00:47:03,923 Has the dad gotten any more bearable? 762 00:47:04,383 --> 00:47:05,284 No. 763 00:47:05,324 --> 00:47:06,364 Okay. 764 00:47:06,364 --> 00:47:06,825 No. 765 00:47:06,825 --> 00:47:09,896 He's still he's still a proto Ross Geller. 766 00:47:09,900 --> 00:47:18,933 Like just he's he's a proto-Ross Geller, but just later and more more Ross Geller will evolve into Willie Tanner from from Alf. 767 00:47:18,933 --> 00:47:20,473 I applaud what you guys are doing. 768 00:47:20,473 --> 00:47:21,834 It's you guys are brave. 769 00:47:21,834 --> 00:47:25,445 We're we're we're I don't know what brave's the word, we're something. 770 00:47:25,445 --> 00:47:26,615 I don't

know what. 771 00:47:26,815 --> 00:47:36,588 So the aliens, they approach these this spacecraft, they're kind of poking around at it, and there's like a vacuum device that's intended to gather soil samples and 772 00:47:36,914 --> 00:47:39,825 It just sucks them right up into that spaceship. 773 00:47:39,825 --> 00:47:43,837 And I just watch this and I'm just like, what is happening? 774 00:47:43,837 --> 00:47:57,282 Like, the I guess these aliens don't have any bones or any like they're just kind of like, what what is the implication is insane of these things, these creatures that are like i if 775 00:47:57,282 --> 00:48:00,564 they were non-corporeal creatures, I'd buy it more. 776 00:48:00,564 --> 00:48:03,125 Their Achilles heel is vacuums. 777 00:48:03,125 --> 00:48:04,626 It is that's really true. 778 00:48:04,626 --> 00:48:05,836 It's not fire. 779 00:48:05,836 --> 00:48:07,697 It's not bullets, as we learned. 780 00:48:07,697 --> 00:48:08,407 That's part of the text. 781 00:48:08,407 --> 00:48:09,067 It's not kryptonite. 782 00:48:09,067 --> 00:48:11,277 Yeah, that's part of the text of Mac and me. 783 00:48:11,277 --> 00:48:13,468 That that that fire doesn't hurt them. 784 00:48:13,468 --> 00:48:14,048 No. 785 00:48:14,048 --> 00:48:15,469 Um, I wish it did. 786 00:48:15,469 --> 00:48:20,620 But Yeah, that's it's vacuum cleaners. 787 00:48:20,620 --> 00:48:21,238 Holy. 788 00:48:21,238 --> 00:48:25,471 You know, you you get you get one of these guys with a dustbuster and they're done. 789 00:48:25,471 --> 00:48:26,592 They're good at whistling. 790 00:48:26,592 --> 00:48:27,112 Yeah. 791 00:48:27,112 --> 00:48:28,502 They are good at whistling. 792 00:48:28,502 --> 00:48:33,363 With that the weird hand thing, which like the V, I don't know what that is. 793 00:48:33,363 --> 00:48:34,414 We'll get there. 794 00:48:34,414 --> 00:48:35,674 We'll get there. 795 00:48:36,431 --> 00:48:39,043 So th this probe sucks up these hands. 796 00:48:39,043 --> 00:48:43,736 I thought that I thought the hand gesture was just an upside down golden arch. 797 00:48:44,347 --> 00:48:47,239 well now that you say it, now that's all I can see. 798 00:48:47,380 --> 00:48:48,581 There it is. 799 00:48:48,581 --> 00:48:50,042 Inside job. 800 00:48:51,804 --> 00:48:54,846 The call is coming from inside the McDonald's. 801 00:48:54,846 --> 00:48:55,946 Jinks. 802 00:48:57,789 --> 00:49:03,153 So the probe takes off, it heads back to Earth, it lands on some kind of military base. 803 00:49:03,153 --> 00:49:04,724 It looks fine. 804 00:49:04,812 --> 00:49:06,883 Like there's no depiction of re-entry. 805 00:49:06,883 --> 00:49:08,593 It's just like sitting there in a lab. 806 00:49:08,593 --> 00:49:11,024 It looks totally unscathed. 807 00:49:11,024 --> 00:49:14,785 Um, by the way, the guy in charge of this project looks like John Williams. 808 00:49:15,065 --> 00:49:16,695 Like it really is like, oh, that's weird. 809 00:49:16,695 --> 00:49:17,322 Sure does. 810 00:49:17,322 --> 00:49:18,786 You're like, yeah. 811 00:49:18,806 --> 00:49:25,288 And and they're opening up, they're they're getting these samples out, and all of a sudden, it's not even like they get shot out of the vacuum. 812 00:49:25,288 --> 00:49:31,829 It's like there's there's four full-size aliens just in the spacecraft. 813 00:49:31,970 --> 00:49:33,420 It reminded me of 814 00:49:33,420 --> 00:49:36,641 You guys have seen Scrooged with Bill Murray. 815 00:49:36,641 --> 00:49:37,491 Oh yeah. 816 00:49:37,491 --> 00:49:46,544 When the when he opens up, like when the ghost of Christmas Yet to Come shows up and Bill Murray opens up the robe and there's these like skeletons and stuff, weird, like dissected 817 00:49:46,544 --> 00:49:47,494 desiccated guys inside. 818 00:49:47,494 --> 00:49:49,370 He's like, did our people do that? 819 00:49:49,370 --> 00:49:51,735 We're gonna get we're gonna get phone calls. 820 00:49:52,715 --> 00:49:55,026 Mac and me, it's like that. 821 00:49:55,026 --> 00:50:00,518 They're like hiding inside the spaceship, but like fully, fully corporeal. 822 00:50:00,518 --> 00:50:02,418 It's so weird. 823 00:50:02,666 --> 00:50:16,272 I I yeah, I have to say, like uh when I was watching it, the thought hit me like, hey, do you think you could cut a horror trailer of this movie? 824 00:50:16,272 --> 00:50:24,255 Oh, and then f that was immediately followed by I'm sure at least two other people have done this already. 825 00:50:24,255 --> 00:50:30,477 And sure enough, two other people have already cut horror trailers for Mac and me. 826 00:50:30,477 --> 00:50:32,352 Max, I think you could cut 827 00:50:32,352 --> 00:50:35,286 A horror movie out of Mac and May. 828 00:50:35,286 --> 00:50:36,407 Yeah, yeah. 829 00:50:36,407 --> 00:50:39,540 You yeah, you could argue that would be the more appropriate genre listing. 830 00:50:39,540 --> 00:50:50,253 But yeah, like you know, like one of them had like the trailer music from Alien, you know, whoop, you know, like and all this and then the yeah, and then the other one they they 831 00:50:50,253 --> 00:50:53,064 both use a lot of the same shots, you know, shots of like 832 00:50:53,064 --> 00:51:04,079 the this scene with the spaceship, you know, and the aliens coming out with all the light pouring out and and of course the drills coming through the wall and why does that kid not 833 00:51:04,079 --> 00:51:09,201 scream his bloody murder at a drill coming the wall like Leatherface is on the other side. 834 00:51:09,201 --> 00:51:09,591 Yeah. 835 00:51:09,591 --> 00:51:12,202 Like what the f The Leatherface moment is a minute later. 836 00:51:12,202 --> 00:51:15,103 He does right it's the it's the it's the saw through the door. 837 00:51:15,103 --> 00:51:19,425 I I think they got Abel for I think they got Abel Ferrara to shoot for a couple days. 838 00:51:19,425 --> 00:51:21,494 Well who who what what?

839 00:51:21,494 --> 00:51:24,055 Regular family has a drill bit that big. 840 00:51:24,055 --> 00:51:27,087 You don't need a drill bit that big unless you're a professional contractor. 841 00:51:27,087 --> 00:51:27,998 What's going on? 842 00:51:27,998 --> 00:51:30,139 It's the Slumber Party Massacre 2 guy. 843 00:51:30,139 --> 00:51:30,869 Yeah. 844 00:51:30,869 --> 00:51:32,240 It is. 845 00:51:32,240 --> 00:51:33,781 It's it totally is. 846 00:51:33,781 --> 00:51:38,063 He just needs a guitar and some rockabilly and God. 847 00:51:38,063 --> 00:51:39,954 So yeah, everything they get out of the spaceship. 848 00:51:39,954 --> 00:51:41,765 Everything's pandemonium. 849 00:51:41,765 --> 00:51:45,727 The littlest alien like runs off and the other three leave separately. 850 00:51:45,727 --> 00:51:46,851 They don't even seem to look for it. 851 00:51:46,851 --> 00:51:51,214 Like the large one just kind of like I guess it's the father if we're assuming this is like a 852 00:51:51,214 --> 00:51:53,195 Heteronormative nuclear family. 853 00:51:53,195 --> 00:51:56,258 He like blows off the door with his hand and they get the hell out of there. 854 00:51:56,258 --> 00:52:11,508 But like the kid runs right for the electric fence, and holy shit, the moment where we see it, like it, it like it's it's clinging on the electric fence and like the thing's face. 855 00:52:11,889 --> 00:52:17,352 This is a movie of pulling faces, both for humans and aliens. 856 00:52:17,352 --> 00:52:20,052 They are pulling some. 857 00:52:20,052 --> 00:52:21,883 faces in this movie. 858 00:52:21,883 --> 00:52:22,584 Yeah. 859 00:52:22,584 --> 00:52:25,106 It just like it gets sucked out of the fence. 860 00:52:25,106 --> 00:52:28,528 It's on the freeway and then it splats onto the windshield of a car. 861 00:52:28,528 --> 00:52:30,469 It's like something out of Looney Tunes. 862 00:52:30,469 --> 00:52:31,490 It's great. 863 00:52:31,490 --> 00:52:36,612 It lets you know what's it just it it's tipping its hand a little bit about what's to come. 864 00:52:36,874 --> 00:52:44,299 And that of course results in like a multi-car crash that somehow a Ford Bronco is launched over another car. 865 00:52:44,299 --> 00:52:47,221 I have no idea how that would actually happen. 866 00:52:47,221 --> 00:52:48,844 Gotta have OJ behind the wheel. 867 00:52:48,844 --> 00:52:49,575 I know. 868 00:52:49,575 --> 00:52:52,516 It's it's just he got a paint job on the way to Mac and me. 869 00:52:52,516 --> 00:52:54,037 That that was it. 870 00:52:54,497 --> 00:52:59,881 And you had this accident, and like like it's just everything is so heightened. 871 00:52:59,881 --> 00:53:00,861 Yeah. 872 00:53:00,861 --> 00:53:11,968 Like there's a guy with his arm on fire, and there's a woman with a fire extinguisher just like spraying chemical flame retardant everywhere, like that white chemical. 873 00:53:11,968 --> 00:53:16,270 It's it is a Keystone cops level of shenanigans.

874 00:53:16,470 --> 00:53:19,831 It's like the opening credits sequence of Superman three. 875 00:53:19,831 --> 00:53:20,552 Mm-hmm. 876 00:53:20,552 --> 00:53:21,462 It's madness. 877 00:53:21,462 --> 00:53:22,753 It's sheer madness. 878 00:53:22,753 --> 00:53:23,273 Yeah. 879 00:53:23,273 --> 00:53:25,194 And it's about as funny as Showa. 880 00:53:25,194 --> 00:53:26,804 Yeah, it's not actually funny. 881 00:53:26,804 --> 00:53:29,756 It's just it's just a lot. 882 00:53:29,756 --> 00:53:30,196 Yeah. 883 00:53:30,196 --> 00:53:31,366 And that's kind of Mac and me. 884 00:53:31,366 --> 00:53:34,607 It's like, it's not really funny, but holy shit, it's a lot. 885 00:53:34,607 --> 00:53:35,058 Yeah. 886 00:53:35,058 --> 00:53:45,042 It's a it's all the whole movie just feels like it was made under duress by everybody in Like we had a we have a contract and you're gonna fulfill that. 887 00:53:45,042 --> 00:53:45,846 Yeah. 888 00:53:45,846 --> 00:53:51,651 You know, are you gonna end up, you know, end up in the hole in the desert, which later there's a lot of holes in the desert. 889 00:53:51,651 --> 00:53:52,391 Yeah, yeah. 890 00:53:52,391 --> 00:54:03,871 And and honestly though, like, you know, there are movies made in like Hong Kong where it is literally like the triads holding a gun to the director's head, being like, Can I 891 00:54:03,871 --> 00:54:05,181 direct this? 892 00:54:05,182 --> 00:54:07,424 And those movies are better than this. 893 00:54:07,424 --> 00:54:07,844 Yes. 894 00:54:07,844 --> 00:54:09,255 Oh, there's no question. 895 00:54:09,255 --> 00:54:10,606 There's no question. 896 00:54:11,102 --> 00:54:19,166 we are it's here we're introduced to our main character, single mother Janet Cruz and her sons Mike and Eric. 897 00:54:19,166 --> 00:54:22,257 And you know, they they so I mean again there's a little bit of E.T. 898 00:54:22,257 --> 00:54:24,618 here with the single mom and two sons. 899 00:54:24,618 --> 00:54:30,090 The Gertie equivalent gets kind of the neighbor's kid gets to kind of be the Gertie equivalent here. 900 00:54:30,090 --> 00:54:38,153 Uh but they are moving from Chicago to Los Angeles so so that Janet can take a job at a Sears. 901 00:54:38,978 --> 00:54:40,869 Like, did you need to move cross country for that? 902 00:54:40,869 --> 00:54:43,560 There's not Sears in Chicago? 903 00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:44,880 It's a really great Sears. 904 00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:45,511 I guess. 905 00:54:45,511 --> 00:54:53,344 I mean, but so there's a little bit of karate kid DNA here, too, with the family moving from from the east to to the LA area. 906 00:54:53,344 --> 00:54:58,866 And uh so there's there's there's already some DNA of a couple other popular movies, obviously. 907 00:54:58,866 --> 00:55:00,077 They're stuck in traffic. 908 00:55:00,077 --> 00:55:04,928 The alien sneaks into the back of their minivan without anybody noticing. 909 00:55:05,369 --> 00:55:06,629 I mean, listen. 910 00:55:06,729 --> 00:55:08,510 We're we're all, you know. 911 00:55:08,888 --> 00:55:09,768 Credibility. 912 00:55:09,768 --> 00:55:21,231 that but like this th this alien is back there forever and nobody even has a like it's grabbing Coca-Cola cans, it's burping, it's taking a nap, and nobody seems to notice it's 913 00:55:21,231 --> 00:55:21,762 there. 914 00:55:21,762 --> 00:55:23,262 It's amazing. 915 00:55:23,262 --> 00:55:23,752 Yeah. 916 00:55:23,752 --> 00:55:33,325 That guy that actually would have been a better movie if it was like instead of everybody sees the alien, it's like he he's almost like Harvey, you know? 917 00:55:33,325 --> 00:55:35,485 Like he's Harvey. 918 00:55:35,485 --> 00:55:36,275 Yeah. 919 00:55:36,275 --> 00:55:38,636 Like that would have that would have made it a more interesting 920 00:55:38,636 --> 00:55:43,550 If it if it's like you can't tell if it's like an imaginary friend or I kinda love that. 921 00:55:43,550 --> 00:55:43,870 Yeah. 922 00:55:43,870 --> 00:55:44,140 Yeah. 923 00:55:44,140 --> 00:55:44,630 Yeah. 924 00:55:44,630 --> 00:55:53,557 And also it would exp because this movie takes it's funny because there's it's one of those weirdly paced movies where some things take forever and then some things happen so 925 00:55:53,557 --> 00:55:56,058 fast you're like, wait, what's going on? 926 00:55:56,058 --> 00:55:59,201 Like it's very it's very kind of awkwardly. 927 00:55:59,201 --> 00:56:04,084 It's as ungainly paced as the aliens themselves move. 928 00:56:04,084 --> 00:56:07,086 Yeah, and I I w I I'm gonna tell you right now 929 00:56:07,226 --> 00:56:13,449 I after about twenty minutes, I watched the rest of the movie at four times speed. 930 00:56:14,090 --> 00:56:15,421 Well, you got through it. 931 00:56:15,421 --> 00:56:16,772 Yeah, there there you go. 932 00:56:16,772 --> 00:56:20,354 It was the it was the only thing I could do at that moment. 933 00:56:20,354 --> 00:56:23,295 It was like I would not be here right now if I didn't do that. 934 00:56:23,295 --> 00:56:23,996 I've been there. 935 00:56:23,996 --> 00:56:24,826 Full confession. 936 00:56:24,826 --> 00:56:25,436 I've been there. 937 00:56:25,436 --> 00:56:27,978 uh Justin knows. 938 00:56:27,978 --> 00:56:28,298 Yeah. 939 00:56:28,298 --> 00:56:28,728 Justin. 940 00:56:28,728 --> 00:56:29,319 Yeah. 941 00:56:29,319 --> 00:56:29,829 I know. 942 00:56:29,829 --> 00:56:30,479 I know. 943 00:56:30,479 --> 00:56:30,819 Yeah. 944 00:56:30,819 --> 00:56:35,456 Did you did did either of you guys watch the Mystery Science Theater three thousand version of it? 945 00:56:35,456 --> 00:56:36,337 I haven't yet. 946 00:56:36,337 --> 00:56:39,679 I I will now that we've once we've recorded this episode, I will. 947 00:56:39,679 --> 00:56:41,451 Uh I didn't want to do beforehand. 948 00:56:41,451 --> 00:56:49,637 I mean they I mean obviously those guys have done you know, they've riffed some horrendous

shit. 949 00:56:49,698 --> 00:56:49,998 yeah. 950 00:56:49,998 --> 00:56:52,220 And um and some wonderful shit. 951 00:56:52,220 --> 00:56:53,871 I could watch Mitchell any time. 952 00:56:53,871 --> 00:56:54,171 Mitchell. 953 00:56:54,171 --> 00:56:57,563 But I but I was I will say that yeah, they they did not help. 954 00:56:59,066 --> 00:57:00,546 It's like yeah. 955 00:57:00,546 --> 00:57:05,500 It's like this is just uh this this is just uh a shit hat on top of a hat. 956 00:57:05,990 --> 00:57:11,412 Um yeah, like it's it's yeah, it's it's it's it's it's yeah. 957 00:57:11,412 --> 00:57:22,845 Um we should say that the alien, you know, for his part, sneaks some of the Coca-Cola that's in the front seat because as we mentioned before, Coca-Cola is the elixir of the 958 00:57:22,845 --> 00:57:29,516 gods, a restorative, nourishing delight that will cure you of everything that ails you. 959 00:57:29,516 --> 00:57:35,458 Coca-Cola, we are available for uh for for you know, any kind of promotional 960 00:57:35,458 --> 00:57:37,989 consideration that you want to you want to do. 961 00:57:37,989 --> 00:57:46,963 We were we're we're very op honestly, we could we could make the uh McDonald's, if you want to give us a call, we will turn this podcast around right now and make it super. 962 00:57:46,963 --> 00:57:49,553 We will cheerlead this movie for the right price. 963 00:57:49,553 --> 00:57:51,684 We are for sale. 964 00:57:51,684 --> 00:57:54,606 Yeah, let's just let's just start doing some audition reels now. 965 00:57:54,606 --> 00:57:56,376 Just for the taste of it. 966 00:57:56,376 --> 00:57:57,667 Just for the taste of it. 967 00:57:57,667 --> 00:58:00,859 We should do we we we should honestly record an alternate version. 968 00:58:00,859 --> 00:58:01,229 Yeah. 969 00:58:01,229 --> 00:58:04,772 In case we get a in case we get a call from McDonald's or Coca-Cola's. 970 00:58:04,772 --> 00:58:06,913 Sears is probably not calling. 971 00:58:06,913 --> 00:58:07,694 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 972 00:58:07,694 --> 00:58:08,434 Wait, let me do this. 973 00:58:08,434 --> 00:58:10,095 Let me do the serious version. 974 00:58:10,095 --> 00:58:10,556 Okay. 975 00:58:10,556 --> 00:58:12,296 Just for the taste of it. 976 00:58:12,296 --> 00:58:13,548 Now I'm gonna do the happy version. 977 00:58:13,548 --> 00:58:14,618 Alright. 978 00:58:14,618 --> 00:58:16,359 Just for the taste of it. 979 00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:17,113 Pretty good, right? 980 00:58:17,113 --> 00:58:20,962 I'm gonna do I'm gonna do the the sort of the gravitas version. 981 00:58:22,103 --> 00:58:25,085 Just for the taste of it. 982 00:58:27,811 --> 00:58:36,948 So they uh the the littlest alien falls asleep in the back seat, and they they cut to what I first thought was a flashback to the home planet, but it's really just the three got 983 00:58:36,948 --> 00:58:37,829 lost in the desert. 984 00:58:37,829 --> 00:58:46,907 For a moment it felt like like the man

who fell to Earth, where like you'd get those flashbacks to to the other planet and it's all desert and dying. 985 00:58:46,907 --> 00:58:48,908 But no, it's just these guys are in the desert. 986 00:58:48,908 --> 00:58:56,236 It's so funny that they spend so much time trying to get this little alien, and the other three, which are much larger, are 987 00:58:56,236 --> 00:58:59,829 Are just wandering in the desert un unescorted. 988 00:58:59,829 --> 00:59:01,790 No one seems to be looking for them. 989 00:59:01,790 --> 00:59:03,521 They're just wandering around. 990 00:59:03,521 --> 00:59:03,992 Yeah. 991 00:59:03,992 --> 00:59:06,773 It's probably like it's probably like Bronson Canyon, right? 992 00:59:06,773 --> 00:59:08,915 Yeah, I think it was out near Palm Springs. 993 00:59:08,915 --> 00:59:12,447 I think they shot the desert stuff out near in the Palm Springs area. 994 00:59:12,447 --> 00:59:22,515 Uh the other area that I recognized as they were as they were as they were driving, the Cruz family, they're they're coming up to their their new home, and Eric wakes up, he 995 00:59:22,515 --> 00:59:24,826 looks around on the freeway and says, 996 00:59:24,972 --> 00:59:26,943 This looks pretty nice, kid. 997 00:59:26,943 --> 00:59:28,345 It's a freeway. 998 00:59:29,126 --> 00:59:30,877 And in fact, I saw the sign. 999 00:59:30,877 --> 00:59:33,350 I know exactly where they were when he said that. 1000 00:59:33,350 --> 00:59:39,295 It was the 405 freeway heading north through the Sepulveda Pass into the San Fernando Valley. 1001 00:59:39,295 --> 00:59:43,919 You can see the sign for the 101 interchange on the right hand side. 1002 00:59:43,919 --> 00:59:49,424 Listen, kid, no one has ever described the 405 freeway as looking pretty nice. 1003 00:59:50,245 --> 00:59:51,066 Ever. 1004 00:59:51,066 --> 00:59:51,946 Funny. 1005 00:59:52,112 --> 00:59:56,056 they get to the house, the moving trucks are there, they they're getting unpacked. 1006 00:59:56,056 --> 00:59:58,788 I don't know what kid gets excited about a two-car garage. 1007 00:59:58,788 --> 01:00:00,409 Wow, top of the hill. 1008 01:00:00,409 --> 01:00:01,020 Oh, cool. 1009 01:00:01,020 --> 01:00:02,401 Check it out, two-car garage. 1010 01:00:02,401 --> 01:00:04,213 Yes, it's the chauffeur's day off. 1011 01:00:04,213 --> 01:00:05,554 Can we afford this? 1012 01:00:05,554 --> 01:00:06,505 No, we can't, Eric. 1013 01:00:06,505 --> 01:00:08,617 That's why I'm forced to sell your brother. 1014 01:00:08,617 --> 01:00:09,707 Tough break, Mike. 1015 01:00:09,707 --> 01:00:10,248 Hey! 1016 01:00:10,248 --> 01:00:14,972 That's my stuff you're throwing around there. 1017 01:00:14,972 --> 01:00:17,764 Relax, lady, it's just our furniture pad. 1018 01:00:17,764 --> 01:00:19,726 Oh, sorry. 1019 01:00:21,228 --> 01:00:22,879 the groceries and guys, okay? 1020 01:00:22,879 --> 01:00:23,940 I like it. 1021 01:00:23,940 --> 01:00:25,181 Me too. 1022 01:00:25,882 --> 01:00:27,423 Hey, how's it going? 1023 01:00:28,084 --> 01:00:28,541 Shh. 1024 01:00:28,541 --> 01:00:31,306 We're communing with the earth spirits. 1025 01:00:33,654 --> 01:00:34,555 Right. 1026 01:00:34,555 --> 01:00:38,837 Welcome to California, but now here. 1027 01:00:39,719 --> 01:00:42,120 Aren't you gonna carry anything? 1028 01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:43,121 Sure. 1029 01:00:43,201 --> 01:00:44,198 I got my skateboard. 1030 01:00:44,198 --> 01:00:46,183 Hey, it's two car garage, mom. 1031 01:00:46,183 --> 01:00:49,385 Well, not everybody grew up with the wealth you did, Chris. 1032 01:00:50,947 --> 01:00:51,667 Ow! 1033 01:00:51,667 --> 01:00:53,168 Slap in the face. 1034 01:00:53,168 --> 01:00:54,810 Jeez. 1035 01:00:54,810 --> 01:00:58,082 I mean he's but he's very excited about that two car garage. 1036 01:00:58,082 --> 01:00:58,572 He is. 1037 01:00:58,572 --> 01:00:59,593 He's ready for it. 1038 01:00:59,593 --> 01:01:01,204 He's re but I don't know. 1039 01:01:01,456 --> 01:01:07,489 there we get a lot of look how different California is from Chicago type of stuff here. 1040 01:01:07,650 --> 01:01:16,275 Like, California, like there's the girl sitting next door, like the girl from next door sitting on the side of the road in a teepee commuting with the earth spirits, as everyone 1041 01:01:16,275 --> 01:01:17,746 does here in California. 1042 01:01:17,746 --> 01:01:29,228 See, I Rich initially I thought that was like an ironic moment that like it it wasn't a a little girl pretending to be a Native American, it was like an actual homeless person. 1043 01:01:29,228 --> 01:01:33,239 And then they like did that over him saying, This looks pretty great, Mom. 1044 01:01:33,239 --> 01:01:34,509 You know, I like that. 1045 01:01:34,509 --> 01:01:37,338 maybe you know That would have that would have been the funnier version of the movie. 1046 01:01:37,338 --> 01:01:39,981 That would have been the funnier version of that. 1047 01:01:39,981 --> 01:01:43,282 If it was 2026, yeah, who knows what you would have seen. 1048 01:01:43,282 --> 01:01:43,842 Tension. 1049 01:01:43,842 --> 01:01:47,363 Yeah, driving by the tent camps and stuff. 1050 01:01:47,363 --> 01:01:50,123 Like so much better than Chicago. 1051 01:01:50,944 --> 01:01:59,486 I I love that even though this term didn't exist yet, I love that the movie takes time to show what a Karen. 1052 01:01:59,522 --> 01:02:01,102 This mom is. 1053 01:02:01,303 --> 01:02:05,054 Because she th chews out this mover who throws a box. 1054 01:02:05,054 --> 01:02:07,194 She's like, that's my stuff you're throwing around. 1055 01:02:07,194 --> 01:02:09,365 He's like, lady, it's an empty box. 1056 01:02:09,705 --> 01:02:12,146 What it's a Karen. 1057 01:02:12,146 --> 01:02:14,067 And they still haven't noticed the alien in the backseat. 1058 01:02:14,067 --> 01:02:17,322 It's been, it's been like it's been hours, this thing. 1059 01:02:17,322 -->

01:02:21,790 Uh, but but but the girl across the street, Debbie, she notices a hop out of the main. 1060 01:02:21,790 --> 01:02:24,202 Maybe this family's just really unobservant. 1061 01:02:24,202 --> 01:02:25,142 Yeah. 1062 01:02:25,516 --> 01:02:28,339 So stuff is being moved in and no one sees the alien. 1063 01:02:28,339 --> 01:02:29,910 He's not even really hiding. 1064 01:02:29,910 --> 01:02:36,737 It's just kind of it's like body where it just kind of like always they're not they're never looking in the right direction. 1065 01:02:36,737 --> 01:02:44,263 I do like that they point out that like like the mom bought a house with no stairs and wide hallways for her kid who's in a wheelchair. 1066 01:02:44,263 --> 01:02:49,989 Maybe she should have considered the massive cliff that's in the backyard. 1067 01:02:49,989 --> 01:02:51,880 We'll get to that in a little bit. 1068 01:02:52,630 --> 01:02:59,705 I will say that I think for all of its faults, I think McAmee kind of, you know, i it it does treat the character of Eric and his disability with respect. 1069 01:02:59,705 --> 01:03:01,026 He's never made fun of for it. 1070 01:03:01,026 --> 01:03:04,864 Uh it's it's you know, he i like it's not anything like that. 1071 01:03:04,864 --> 01:03:08,001 I think it's well handled for whatever else the movie may have. 1072 01:03:08,001 --> 01:03:10,122 It at least has that going for it, I guess. 1073 01:03:10,122 --> 01:03:11,803 Ma I I would dis disagree. 1074 01:03:11,803 --> 01:03:19,899 Oh, I think I think it I think it's uh, you know, it's just part of another part of the smokescreen of this movie. 1075 01:03:19,899 --> 01:03:21,280 You know, like to try to 1076 01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:27,672 To try to like dodge criticism, like, you're not gonna make fun of a movie with a disabled kid, you know. 1077 01:03:27,672 --> 01:03:31,253 Uh yeah, I think that kid was totally, you know. 1078 01:03:31,253 --> 01:03:38,375 He was he was a uh sacrificial, you know, he was like, it's it's we're we're running interference so we won't get criticism. 1079 01:03:38,375 --> 01:03:39,035 Yeah. 1080 01:03:39,035 --> 01:03:40,415 That's a very good point. 1081 01:03:40,415 --> 01:03:44,996 The other big problem with this family, by the way, is their is their packing skills. 1082 01:03:45,257 --> 01:03:49,928 The boxes that they pack, like there's one that has a bike tire and a 1083 01:03:49,928 --> 01:03:52,359 half used roll of toilet paper. 1084 01:03:52,739 --> 01:03:54,030 Like, what are you doing? 1085 01:03:54,030 --> 01:03:55,981 What are these people doing with their packing skills? 1086 01:03:55,981 --> 01:03:59,182 Are we at a we Rob couldn't be here because he's in the middle of a move. 1087 01:03:59,182 --> 01:04:01,780 I'm sure he he did better packing. 1088 01:04:01,780 --> 01:04:05,585 I mean there's another there's another box with a basketball and a power drill. 1089 01:04:05,585 --> 01:04:06,486 It's madness. 1090 01:04:06,486 --> 01:04:08,927 They're just not good at moving in general. 1091 01:04:08,927 --> 01:04:13,389 I mean moving's tough, but man, they are they're not the best. 1092 01:04:13,389 --> 01:04:16,404 Um the alien starts to cause more and more mischief. 1093 01:04:16,404 --> 01:04:19,754 Mike sees him at one point, but then thinks it's his sunglasses. 1094 01:04:19,754 --> 01:04:25,354 I and we do see I will say this, because we never there's no mention ever made of of the father. 1095 01:04:25,354 --> 01:04:33,439 Uh we uh Eric does have a picture with the three of them and a guy who I presume is their dad, but we don't know for sure. 1096 01:04:33,439 --> 01:04:36,960 We're never told if he's passed away or if he's just in Mexico. 1097 01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:38,411 Yeah, that's another E.T. 1098 01:04:38,411 --> 01:04:39,081 thing. 1099 01:04:39,081 --> 01:04:39,911 Exactly. 1100 01:04:39,911 --> 01:04:40,381 Yeah. 1101 01:04:40,381 --> 01:04:41,952 He looked like Dan Haggerty. 1102 01:04:41,952 --> 01:04:42,722 He does. 1103 01:04:42,722 --> 01:04:43,742 uh 1104 01:04:43,742 --> 01:04:45,123 Oh, I didn't put that together. 1105 01:04:45,123 --> 01:04:47,424 Yeah, you say that, I'm like, my goodness. 1106 01:04:47,424 --> 01:04:48,125 Yeah. 1107 01:04:48,125 --> 01:04:51,407 And if it's Dan Haggerty, then he's somewhere doing meth. 1108 01:04:51,407 --> 01:04:52,498 Yeah, he's in Mexico. 1109 01:04:52,498 --> 01:04:54,559 He's in Mexico somewhere else, maybe further. 1110 01:04:54,559 --> 01:04:55,910 It does no, it's not. 1111 01:04:55,910 --> 01:04:57,001 It's not a good scene. 1112 01:04:57,001 --> 01:05:02,715 He's he's he's he he he's he's he's off making elves to pay his meth dealer. 1113 01:05:04,256 --> 01:05:05,697 more stuff starts to happen. 1114 01:05:05,697 --> 01:05:08,359 The radio controlled car runs without a battery. 1115 01:05:08,359 --> 01:05:12,782 Eric's television turns on even when not plugged in. 1116 01:05:12,782 --> 01:05:13,612 And 1117 01:05:14,026 --> 01:05:20,492 At this moment, gentlemen, we get an absolutely perfect pop culture reference. 1118 01:05:20,492 --> 01:05:24,735 Because what cartoon is playing on the TV? 1119 01:05:24,735 --> 01:05:25,426 Snorks. 1120 01:05:25,426 --> 01:05:27,698 Come along with the snorks. 1121 01:05:27,698 --> 01:05:28,818 It's the snorks. 1122 01:05:28,818 --> 01:05:31,921 It's the underwater knockoff of the Smurfs. 1123 01:05:31,921 --> 01:05:33,542 So this knockoff E.T. 1124 01:05:33,542 --> 01:05:38,687 movie features a knockoff Smurfs cartoon in it. 1125 01:05:38,687 --> 01:05:39,828 Chef's kiss. 1126 01:05:39,828 --> 01:05:40,698 Mm-hmm. 1127 01:05:40,698 --> 01:05:41,137 That's perfect. 1128 01:05:41,137 --> 01:05:42,764 Come along with the 1129 01:05:42,764 --> 01:05:46,775 Have some fun with the play along with the snorks. 1130 01:05:46,775 --> 01:05:58,858 I I for some reason I you you're singing it and I kind of remember it,

but it's like somehow the snorks theme has been entirely pushed out of my brain by the gummy bears 1131 01:05:58,858 --> 01:05:59,939 theme. 1132 01:06:00,619 --> 01:06:03,060 Which lives I I think about at least once. 1133 01:06:03,060 --> 01:06:06,861 I sing to myself the gummy bears theme at least once a week. 1134 01:06:06,861 --> 01:06:07,401 Yeah. 1135 01:06:07,401 --> 01:06:08,501 Like it's just there. 1136 01:06:08,501 --> 01:06:09,221 Yeah. 1137 01:06:09,221 --> 01:06:12,396 I mean, this was also this was around the time, I don't know if you 1138 01:06:12,396 --> 01:06:13,967 W uh I'm forty-five. 1139 01:06:13,967 --> 01:06:15,326 I don't know how how old you guys are. 1140 01:06:15,326 --> 01:06:16,510 I'm north of that. 1141 01:06:16,510 --> 01:06:17,561 You're north of that. 1142 01:06:17,561 --> 01:06:17,901 Okay. 1143 01:06:17,901 --> 01:06:19,152 North of that. 1144 01:06:19,152 --> 01:06:19,642 Justin? 1145 01:06:19,642 --> 01:06:21,474 Yeah, I'm north of that too. 1146 01:06:21,474 --> 01:06:22,125 North of that. 1147 01:06:22,125 --> 01:06:22,475 Okay. 1148 01:06:22,475 --> 01:06:22,685 Yeah. 1149 01:06:22,685 --> 01:06:35,627 Well so you I was still watching Saturday morning cartoons around this time, and this was when another really ill conceived uh thing happened was they did like a a this like um it 1150 01:06:35,627 --> 01:06:37,348 was like a team up thing. 1151 01:06:37,348 --> 01:06:39,938 It was like a crossover event with like 1152 01:06:39,938 --> 01:06:48,480 All the Saturday morning cartoon characters, it was like Muppet Babies, Garfield, uh Care Bears, Snorks, like whatever. 1153 01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:51,301 And it and they were all in this like cartoon. 1154 01:06:51,301 --> 01:06:55,522 It was this animated special about not doing drugs. 1155 01:06:56,063 --> 01:07:08,514 It had like this kid who's like strung out on drugs, you know, and like fucking Garfield is there, like trying to like take him to the c to like whatever the clinic. 1156 01:07:08,514 --> 01:07:17,898 No one's no one's going to get you to to you know no one's gonna dissuade people from drugs more than Garfield, who sounds perpetually stoned. 1157 01:07:19,019 --> 01:07:20,849 I mean, there's what's in that lasagna? 1158 01:07:20,849 --> 01:07:27,712 It's just it it it's uh John makes a little bit of you know his he's got a special lasagna. 1159 01:07:27,712 --> 01:07:29,243 That's what I'm saying. 1160 01:07:29,843 --> 01:07:33,905 Odie has a special Merthadone lasagna for you, kid. 1161 01:07:36,588 --> 01:07:40,959 All these things are happening in the house, showers are turned on, stuff's getting broken. 1162 01:07:41,700 --> 01:07:48,081 Eric follows wet pro footprints into the backyard where we see the house's major flaw. 1163 01:07:48,081 --> 01:07:53,363 The house has got a big flaw, guys, and it's not the massive cliff right beyond the wall. 1164 01:07:53,363 --> 01:08:00,405 It's the fact that the neighbor's second floor balcony looks looks held them looking right down into the backyard. 1165 01:08:00,525 --> 01:08:02,236 Like there's no privacy there at all. 1166 01:08:02,236 --> 01:08:03,480 That's a deal breaker. 1167 01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:11,832 Yeah, it's pretty weird, but there's a lot of weird involved with this situation because the we talked about the poor moving skills of this family. 1168 01:08:12,192 --> 01:08:13,173 There is that. 1169 01:08:13,173 --> 01:08:17,314 There is the poor decision making on the mom's part in relation to her son's needs. 1170 01:08:17,314 --> 01:08:18,554 There's that. 1171 01:08:18,914 --> 01:08:31,038 Also, they seem to have stolen the interior of a Bass Pro Shop and decided to put it in their home, which is the greatest mystery in this movie to me. 1172 01:08:32,310 --> 01:08:33,911 But not just the deer head, Chris. 1173 01:08:33,911 --> 01:08:38,633 It eventually as you as the film progresses, we see a little more and then a little more. 1174 01:08:38,633 --> 01:08:49,319 And around the time we get to the chainsaw scene in a minute, the it's clear that there's like full brush from the wilds of Australia or whatever there. 1175 01:08:49,319 --> 01:08:52,291 There's full taxidermied animals in the room. 1176 01:08:52,291 --> 01:08:54,002 There's trees. 1177 01:08:54,002 --> 01:08:55,883 And this is in the house. 1178 01:08:55,883 --> 01:08:57,344 In the house. 1179 01:08:57,344 --> 01:09:01,772 So I don't know what kind of chaotic world these people live in, but it's not 1180 01:09:01,772 --> 01:09:06,714 really it's never really explained satisfactorily to me. 1181 01:09:06,714 --> 01:09:09,406 Maybe the father was Dan Hagerty. 1182 01:09:09,406 --> 01:09:11,406 On a Sears budget. 1183 01:09:12,287 --> 01:09:16,979 On a Sears income budget, how do you recreate the the the Great Plains in your home? 1184 01:09:16,979 --> 01:09:19,660 She moved halfway across the country. 1185 01:09:19,660 --> 01:09:25,062 I I would like I would like to think it was an angry prop guy get 1186 01:09:25,164 --> 01:09:26,945 Getting back at the director. 1187 01:09:26,945 --> 01:09:27,406 Yeah. 1188 01:09:27,406 --> 01:09:30,358 Yeah, like like he's like, hey, what do you want this house to look like? 1189 01:09:30,358 --> 01:09:32,439 you know, just do whatever you want, it'll be good. 1190 01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:33,880 All right, asshole. 1191 01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:34,961 You got it. 1192 01:09:34,961 --> 01:09:37,542 that production designer was pissed. 1193 01:09:37,663 --> 01:09:38,703 He was pissed. 1194 01:09:38,703 --> 01:09:49,931 Uh this is where Eric kind of formally meets the girl next door, Debbie, still dressed as a Native American, and her older sister with great hair, Courtney. 1195 01:09:49,931 --> 01:09:51,632 Courtney works at McDonald's. 1196 01:09:51,632 --> 01:09:54,054 That's gonna be important later, folks. 1197 01:09:54,054 --> 01:09:54,626 Mm-hmm. 1198

01:09:54,626 --> 01:10:01,147 I mean there's so many times where this family is unpacking and like the alien is right there and they just don't notice him. 1199 01:10:01,147 --> 01:10:03,170 It's it's it's it's crazy. 1200 01:10:03,170 --> 01:10:07,952 If you want i if if you're listening at home and you want to skip ahead, all this is on Macopedia. 1201 01:10:07,952 --> 01:10:09,653 Oh no. 1202 01:10:09,653 --> 01:10:11,226 There's a Macopedia? 1203 01:10:11,226 --> 01:10:12,220 No. 1204 01:10:15,224 --> 01:10:16,185 That would have been amazing. 1205 01:10:16,185 --> 01:10:17,636 That would have been amazing if there was. 1206 01:10:17,636 --> 01:10:21,949 But now I I I I wonder if somebody will will start one out of spite. 1207 01:10:21,949 --> 01:10:24,841 You know, spite's a great motivator. 1208 01:10:24,841 --> 01:10:25,922 It's true. 1209 01:10:25,922 --> 01:10:28,824 You know, get a open a open a whole coffee store. 1210 01:10:28,824 --> 01:10:34,488 It's a that's a it's a deep curb your enthusiasm cut there, the spite store. 1211 01:10:34,488 --> 01:10:35,129 Yeah. 1212 01:10:35,129 --> 01:10:40,553 I I want I want a whole page just for the Coca-Cola can used as a flower pot. 1213 01:10:40,553 --> 01:10:41,673 I want that. 1214 01:10:42,616 --> 01:10:46,129 Gold can use this Coca-Cola can't got a lot of uses in this movie. 1215 01:10:46,129 --> 01:10:48,130 It's the flower pot. 1216 01:10:49,071 --> 01:10:56,457 that that night the family, it's like the alien tries to signal its family by whistling out of its pulsating butthole mouth. 1217 01:10:56,457 --> 01:11:01,180 It holds its hands up like uh again, upside down McDonald's arch. 1218 01:11:01,180 --> 01:11:06,284 Now that we like now that we have now that we know that, it all kind of makes sense. 1219 01:11:06,284 --> 01:11:08,806 And then, you know, it's 1220 01:11:09,110 --> 01:11:16,154 The next day the the little guy, I don't know what the alien said to one of the next guy, the little guy starts tearing up the house with the power tools. 1221 01:11:16,154 --> 01:11:22,518 Like and and the Eric wakes up and sees this and like there's a chainsaw coming through the the door. 1222 01:11:22,518 --> 01:11:24,759 I'm like, why is he not screaming murder? 1223 01:11:24,759 --> 01:11:26,470 Like, what is going on? 1224 01:11:26,470 --> 01:11:34,585 You can't tell me that someone on this production wasn't a chainsaw massacre fan because the way that there's the drill that we talked about earlier. 1225 01:11:34,585 --> 01:11:35,346 Yeah. 1226 01:11:35,346 --> 01:11:35,884 The 1227 01:11:35,884 --> 01:11:37,335 Slumber Party Massacre 2 drill. 1228 01:11:37,335 --> 01:11:44,759 But then when it comes to the next scene, I cause they had established a table saw, like a hand, like a circular saw earlier. 1229 01:11:44,759 --> 01:11:46,260 They did. 1230 01:11:46,260 --> 01:11:48,611 Right. 1231 01:11:48,611 --> 01:11:50,221 Right. 1232 01:11:50,402 --> 01:11:58,436 And but the way that the alien cuts through the w the wall here is the almost if I would love to compare. 1233 01:11:58,436 --> 01:12:01,487 I should have done this prior to the episode, but I didn't care enough. 1234 01:12:01,628 --> 01:12:05,944 The pattern that he cuts the wall with looks to me 1235 01:12:05,944 --> 01:12:13,701 To match the messy kind of awkward sawing that Leatherface does at the door that look what you did to the door. 1236 01:12:13,701 --> 01:12:16,704 That whole sequence in chains. 1237 01:12:16,704 --> 01:12:17,985 It's gotta be close. 1238 01:12:17,985 --> 01:12:18,806 It's gotta be. 1239 01:12:18,806 --> 01:12:19,347 It's gotta. 1240 01:12:19,347 --> 01:12:20,027 I mean, they walk in. 1241 01:12:20,027 --> 01:12:20,938 Horror movie people. 1242 01:12:20,938 --> 01:12:21,774 This a horror movie. 1243 01:12:21,774 --> 01:12:22,279 this is a horror. 1244 01:12:22,279 --> 01:12:23,400 This is a horror movie. 1245 01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:29,036 I mean, it's they walk in the living room, the alien has completely redecorated this whole thing in this woodland style. 1246 01:12:29,036 --> 01:12:31,968 Now they had all this stuff to do that with. 1247 01:12:31,992 --> 01:12:36,423 But it looks like one of the elaborate and bizarre crime scenes from Hannibal. 1248 01:12:36,563 --> 01:12:42,385 Like that's what I'm like, oh, it's like it's like the dude who had mushrooms growing out of him or some shit, you know? 1249 01:12:42,385 --> 01:12:47,887 I I f I fe I feel like you guys have both got uh Stockholm syndrome from this movie. 1250 01:12:48,107 --> 01:12:57,450 Like you're you're trying to read things that you know, are you you're you're you're the movie in your brain is way more interesting than the movie that we're watching. 1251 01:12:57,450 --> 01:12:57,886 I 1252 01:12:57,886 --> 01:12:58,196 Yeah. 1253 01:12:58,196 --> 01:13:06,292 You know, we we went last week we had two Turkish ET knockoffs and came out the other side changed. 1254 01:13:06,292 --> 01:13:14,321 So I think it it it it it set us up for this, you know, after after after Body and Himodi and and I was just I'm not the same. 1255 01:13:14,321 --> 01:13:15,818 I mean, even back to Nuki. 1256 01:13:15,818 --> 01:13:16,979 We're tired, Max. 1257 01:13:16,979 --> 01:13:18,720 Max, we are so tired. 1258 01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:19,961 Yeah, yeah. 1259 01:13:20,161 --> 01:13:27,816 I I feel I feel like red in the Shaw Shank Redemption, I just want to sit you guys down and be like hope is a dangerous thing. 1260 01:13:27,918 --> 01:13:30,079 Pope can drive a man insane. 1261 01:13:30,218 --> 01:13:31,561 Like we yeah. 1262 01:13:31,561 --> 01:13:36,934 I I always, almost always reach a point in a series where I'm like, ready to go. 1263 01:13:36,934 --> 01:13:39,246 I'm ready to ready for the next thing. 1264 01:13:39,406 --> 01:13:41,207 And it kind of came last week. 1265 01:13:41,207 --> 01:13:44,310 So we're in that

like poke. 1266 01:13:44,310 --> 01:13:48,433 Like it's i if the problem is if it happens in episode two, then you're really screwed. 1267 01:13:48,433 --> 01:13:50,654 If it happens on episode eight, okay. 1268 01:13:50,654 --> 01:13:52,075 You know, that's that we can handle that. 1269 01:13:52,075 --> 01:13:52,545 Yeah, yeah. 1270 01:13:52,545 --> 01:13:56,430 No, I remember when you guys were doing Get Me Another Mad Max, and I was like 1271 01:13:56,430 --> 01:14:01,936 Uh I I f I forget w w what's the name of the one where the Mad Max character gets raped? 1272 01:14:01,936 --> 01:14:03,658 I'm like just thinking get ready for that. 1273 01:14:03,658 --> 01:14:04,299 Yes. 1274 01:14:04,299 --> 01:14:05,871 my god, that was what a what a what a thing. 1275 01:14:05,871 --> 01:14:17,574 So oh 1276 01:14:17,644 --> 01:14:26,371 Yeah, so this is uh this is the scene where like it's during this, during the the the cutting through the door is when Eric Eric comes face to face with the alien for the first 1277 01:14:26,371 --> 01:14:26,802 time. 1278 01:14:26,802 --> 01:14:34,448 And to compare this movie to E.T., th that movement comes here 30 minutes and one second into this movie. 1279 01:14:34,448 --> 01:14:35,949 But by comparison, E.T. 1280 01:14:35,949 --> 01:14:36,760 Elliot E.T. 1281 01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:40,202 and Elliot come face to face at fifteen minutes and eleven seconds. 1282 01:14:40,202 --> 01:14:47,368 So it's this movie is moving, despite the fact that it's bonkers, it is moving so much slower. 1283 01:14:47,368 --> 01:14:47,918 Mm-hmm. 1284 01:14:47,918 --> 01:14:48,629 Than E.T. 1285 01:14:48,629 --> 01:14:53,461 And you never have that connection developed in the in a kind of character way. 1286 01:14:53,461 --> 01:14:59,465 It's not trying to, I suppose, but you know, one would hope maybe a little bit. 1287 01:14:59,465 --> 01:15:10,458 And and to be fair, uh Spielberg himself, you know, uh did something similar this year with Disclosure Day, which I'm sure I'm sure you both have seen. 1288 01:15:10,458 --> 01:15:11,671 I I have seen it. 1289 01:15:11,671 --> 01:15:14,803 I don't know if Justin has not seen it yet. 1290 01:15:14,803 --> 01:15:17,164 No, I was I was watching Mac and Me. 1291 01:15:19,027 --> 01:15:21,226 Okay, well that that's a good alibi. 1292 01:15:21,226 --> 01:15:37,742 Uh but like but uh no but like I remember coming out of disclosure day talking to uh a friend of mine and I was just like you know when the two main characters don't meet until 1293 01:15:37,742 --> 01:15:41,384 the bottom of the second act, I think the movie has problems. 1294 01:15:41,424 --> 01:15:43,085 Yeah, it's a while. 1295 01:15:43,640 --> 01:15:48,174 For a movie that for one of those characters doesn't seem to even have a first act. 1296 01:15:48,174 --> 01:15:48,814 Right. 1297 01:15:48,814 --> 01:15:49,074 Yeah. 1298 01:15:49,074 --> 01:15:52,407 Like it feels like the the was it Josh O'Connor or Connell. 1299 01:15:52,407 --> 01:15:54,709 Josh O'Connell uh character. 1300 01:15:54,709 --> 01:15:58,322 Like he he feels like you're starting in act two of his movie. 1301 01:15:58,392 --> 01:16:00,024 Emily Blunt, you get an act one. 1302 01:16:00,024 --> 01:16:02,105 Like Emily Blunt has a full movie. 1303 01:16:02,105 --> 01:16:03,747 But he's starting in act two. 1304 01:16:03,747 --> 01:16:04,747 It's very strange. 1305 01:16:04,747 --> 01:16:09,371 That whole movie is full of bewildering decisions, you know. 1306 01:16:09,371 --> 01:16:13,164 And it's like and it's interesting too, I got uh you know 1307 01:16:13,282 --> 01:16:25,482 The whole thing with my book is, you know, he Spielberg read Night Skies and he read the end where this, you know, nice alien gets left on Earth. 1308 01:16:25,482 --> 01:16:26,049 Right. 1309 01:16:26,049 --> 01:16:29,872 And he's like, I don't wanna make this movie, I wanna make that movie. 1310 01:16:29,872 --> 01:16:32,093 I wanna start the story there. 1311 01:16:32,093 --> 01:16:34,534 And he could have done the same thing with Disclosure Day. 1312 01:16:34,534 --> 01:16:41,474 He could have, you know, I think I think we're that disclosure day ends with the actual disclosure spoiler. 1313 01:16:41,474 --> 01:16:46,045 But um yeah, I think that would have been a a much more interesting place to start. 1314 01:16:46,045 --> 01:16:48,776 Because like yeah, then then how does the world process that? 1315 01:16:48,776 --> 01:16:50,557 You know? 1316 01:16:50,557 --> 01:16:56,738 You're just you're just getting to I mean, there is there is a disclo it it's called disclosure day for a reason. 1317 01:16:56,738 --> 01:16:58,999 There is a disclosure in it. 1318 01:16:58,999 --> 01:16:59,479 Yes. 1319 01:16:59,479 --> 01:17:02,400 Um, you know, it's like it's like Star Trek III, the search for Spock. 1320 01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:03,350 They were gonna find them. 1321 01:17:03,350 --> 01:17:07,362 If you call your movie the search for Spock, it's gonna Spock is gonna get found. 1322 01:17:07,362 --> 01:17:07,662 Yeah. 1323 01:17:07,662 --> 01:17:09,098 There is a disclosure. 1324 01:17:09,098 --> 01:17:12,439 And i yeah, it's kinda it's the end piece. 1325 01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:16,141 It's it's it's very curious that we don't see the repercussions of that. 1326 01:17:16,141 --> 01:17:16,961 Yeah. 1327 01:17:16,961 --> 01:17:17,842 Yeah. 1328 01:17:17,842 --> 01:17:31,947 The the the the more cynical person might interpret it as Oh look, the billionaire has an idea for how to fix the world that doesn't involve taking his money. 1329 01:17:33,098 --> 01:17:37,239 I I c that is as an incredibly cynical point of view. 1330 01:17:37,239 --> 01:17:38,130 I can't 1331 01:17:39,170 --> 01:17:48,606 Can't believe I I just you know hey listen it's I can't believe that it's I won't give in to that that cynical side of me. 1332 01:17:48,606 --> 01:17:53,959 Um well Janet is

very upset about what's happened to her house. 1333 01:17:53,959 --> 01:17:54,799 Let's just say that. 1334 01:17:54,799 --> 01:18:00,182 Janet is is PO'd and you know she she looks at she thinks her kids did it. 1335 01:18:00,182 --> 01:18:03,414 Michael, Eric, what have you done? 1336 01:18:03,414 --> 01:18:05,225 Didn't do it, Mom. 1337 01:18:05,225 --> 01:18:06,526 Oh my 1338 01:18:07,606 --> 01:18:09,728 This is my mother's painting. 1339 01:18:09,728 --> 01:18:11,488 It's a hundred years old. 1340 01:18:11,488 --> 01:18:13,490 Whoa, what happened in here? 1341 01:18:14,652 --> 01:18:16,393 Everything's ruined. 1342 01:18:16,393 --> 01:18:17,744 It's totally ruined. 1343 01:18:17,744 --> 01:18:20,687 Listen, me, Mom, it's the little creature I saw. 1344 01:18:20,687 --> 01:18:23,589 The house is totally destroyed. 1345 01:18:23,589 --> 01:18:24,800 What do you want me to say? 1346 01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:27,262 I don't want you to say anything. 1347 01:18:27,262 --> 01:18:28,394 Well, calm down, Mom. 1348 01:18:28,394 --> 01:18:29,264 This is incredible. 1349 01:18:29,264 --> 01:18:30,155 It's insane. 1350 01:18:30,155 --> 01:18:31,486 I don't believe it. 1351 01:18:31,486 --> 01:18:32,407 Look at this. 1352 01:18:32,407 --> 01:18:33,247 my God. 1353 01:18:33,247 --> 01:18:35,048 I'm going back to her. 1354 01:18:35,048 --> 01:18:36,990 Janet, take a look around. 1355 01:18:38,072 --> 01:18:42,404 How would your kids have done this to your house? 1356 01:18:42,404 --> 01:18:44,564 One of them is in a wheelchair. 1357 01:18:44,665 --> 01:18:52,468 Like this, the the the thing that has been done here is beyond the capability of these two kids in one night. 1358 01:18:52,748 --> 01:18:54,889 Like, what does she think is happening? 1359 01:18:54,889 --> 01:18:58,691 But she's she yells at Eric anyway, and he goes outside. 1360 01:18:58,691 --> 01:18:59,871 He's very upset. 1361 01:18:59,871 --> 01:19:01,172 He's very upset. 1362 01:19:01,172 --> 01:19:01,852 And I get it. 1363 01:19:01,852 --> 01:19:02,582 I understand. 1364 01:19:02,582 --> 01:19:04,533 I've had parents yell at me too. 1365 01:19:04,693 --> 01:19:05,913 It's upsetting. 1366 01:19:06,074 --> 01:19:07,644 And he goes outside. 1367 01:19:08,012 --> 01:19:09,693 And he proceeds to go through the back wall. 1368 01:19:09,693 --> 01:19:13,316 Now, the back wall, it's there's a wall and there's opening in the wall. 1369 01:19:13,316 --> 01:19:18,549 It's kind of got a trellis thing going on, uh, but there's no like gate. 1370 01:19:19,150 --> 01:19:23,783 So he just wheels right through to the steep cliff beyond. 1371 01:19:23,783 --> 01:19:26,465 And this is the moment that has been on the Cohen O'Brien show. 1372 01:19:26,465 --> 01:19:29,516 Basically, every time Paul Rudd appears. 1373 01:19:29,757 --> 01:19:32,118 And he's moving slowly at first. 1374 01:19:32,699 --> 01:19:33,599 You hear a whistle. 1375 01:19:33,599 --> 01:19:36,692 I don't think it's the alien, because it doesn't sound like the alien whistle. 1376 01:19:36,692 --> 01:19:37,538 It's just some 1377 01:19:37,538 --> 01:19:39,339 person whistling. 1378 01:19:39,719 --> 01:19:42,880 And then he starts rocketing down this hill. 1379 01:19:43,541 --> 01:19:51,924 And it's I've seen this shot many times, but it it even that doesn't quite prepare you for in the context of the movie. 1380 01:19:52,104 --> 01:19:53,585 It's bananas. 1381 01:19:53,585 --> 01:19:54,746 It's crazy. 1382 01:19:54,746 --> 01:19:55,606 It's wild. 1383 01:19:55,606 --> 01:19:56,746 You think about the mom. 1384 01:19:56,746 --> 01:19:57,767 She didn't see that. 1385 01:19:57,767 --> 01:19:58,687 She didn't see that. 1386 01:19:58,687 --> 01:20:00,328 She didn't see that. 1387 01:20:00,468 --> 01:20:02,849 And the God, that it's so perfectly edited. 1388 01:20:02,849 --> 01:20:05,560 Like the when when he goes to to the 1389 01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:08,791 Try to hit the brakes and the lever just snaps off in his hand. 1390 01:20:08,791 --> 01:20:10,271 It's amazing. 1391 01:20:10,271 --> 01:20:15,653 And then you see the wheelchair, what is clearly a dummy plunging into the water. 1392 01:20:15,850 --> 01:20:19,914 I mean, I gotta be honest, it's like it's it is a sublime and bizarre. 1393 01:20:19,914 --> 01:20:27,986 My wife and I both had never seen this movie before, and we were watching it, and we just like I'd seen this scene, but never the whole movie. 1394 01:20:27,986 --> 01:20:33,158 And in the context, I'm just like, it is honestly, it's kind of amazing. 1395 01:20:33,158 --> 01:20:34,882 It's kind of amazing. 1396 01:20:34,882 --> 01:20:39,456 And then the the the the alien, the back of the alien's head comes up into frame. 1397 01:20:39,456 --> 01:20:42,549 It's uh Yeah. 1398 01:20:42,549 --> 01:20:47,053 It it it it does feel like one of those category three Hong Kong movies. 1399 01:20:47,053 --> 01:20:48,113 Yes. 1400 01:20:48,134 --> 01:20:50,636 You know, like uh what's that what's that one? 1401 01:20:50,636 --> 01:20:58,963 I don't know the title of it, but there's one where they're like they're like holding like a five year old girl out of the side of a moving car by her hair. 1402 01:20:58,963 --> 01:21:02,966 You know, like this is w just just gobsmacking. 1403 01:21:03,110 --> 01:21:04,121 weird stuff. 1404 01:21:04,121 --> 01:21:04,331 yeah. 1405 01:21:04,331 --> 01:21:15,839 It's i it it's it's missing slime or mucus or bodily like it doesn't have enough like bodily fluids for a a category three Hong Kong movie. 1406 01:21:15,839 --> 01:21:19,522 They always have a lot of yeah you know stuff. 1407 01:21:19,522 --> 01:21:20,832 There there are fluids. 1408 01:21:20,832 --> 01:21:22,143 It's just Coca-Cola. 1409 01:21:22,143 --> 01:21:23,074 It's Coca-Cola. 1410 01:21:23,074 --> 01:21:25,276 It's it's it that's the elixir of life, man. 1411 01:21:25,276 --> 01:21:26,847 That's the

elixir of life. 1412 01:21:26,847 --> 01:21:27,187 Yeah. 1413 01:21:27,187 --> 01:21:28,248 Just for the taste of it. 1414 01:21:28,248 --> 01:21:29,909 I just want to say just for the taste of it. 1415 01:21:29,909 --> 01:21:31,000 Just for the taste of it? 1416 01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:32,040 Question mark. 1417 01:21:32,098 --> 01:21:33,919 Just for the taste of it. 1418 01:21:33,919 --> 01:21:36,619 Just for the taste of it. 1419 01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:38,760 It's the Shatner version. 1420 01:21:38,760 --> 01:21:44,362 Oh, that was my my wife's comment when she she saw that I have to give her credit for this. 1421 01:21:44,362 --> 01:21:48,664 She was like, all right, that kid falls and that like that that actually happens. 1422 01:21:48,664 --> 01:21:51,985 That kid is 100% dead in real life. 1423 01:21:51,985 --> 01:21:52,625 yeah. 1424 01:21:52,625 --> 01:21:53,696 One hundred percent. 1425 01:21:53,696 --> 01:21:55,052 100% dead. 1426 01:21:55,052 --> 01:21:57,824 Would be a great name for a Charles Bronson movie. 1427 01:21:57,824 --> 01:21:58,905 Honestly, it would be. 1428 01:21:58,905 --> 01:22:02,367 It would be like, that's the sequel to Ten to Midnight is 100% dead. 1429 01:22:02,367 --> 01:22:03,548 Mm-hmm. 1430 01:22:03,548 --> 01:22:06,430 So it's just him killing hippies for two hours. 1431 01:22:06,430 --> 01:22:07,511 I want it. 1432 01:22:07,511 --> 01:22:09,382 That's for what's the buttons? 1433 01:22:09,382 --> 01:22:10,112 He's got the thing. 1434 01:22:10,112 --> 01:22:12,254 He's got that that device in 10. 1435 01:22:12,254 --> 01:22:14,295 It's for jacking off. 1436 01:22:17,597 --> 01:22:21,020 never never watch a Charles Bronson movie with your parents. 1437 01:22:21,020 --> 01:22:24,942 Like that's just a recipe for uncomfortableness. 1438 01:22:27,007 --> 01:22:30,698 So they pull him out of the water and Eric is back on land. 1439 01:22:30,698 --> 01:22:35,829 And as soon as he is back on land, his mother starts blaming him for what happened. 1440 01:22:35,829 --> 01:22:39,570 Like she's just like, I can't believe he did this. 1441 01:22:39,570 --> 01:22:42,491 Janet is just the worst. 1442 01:22:42,491 --> 01:22:46,892 I will say diplomatically, there have been better moms. 1443 01:22:46,892 --> 01:22:47,453 There have. 1444 01:22:47,453 --> 01:22:49,573 There have been better moms. 1445 01:22:49,813 --> 01:22:52,684 and but you know, I mean, honestly, Eric is fine. 1446 01:22:52,684 --> 01:22:55,705 Like he's so good they don't even need to take him to the hospital, right? 1447 01:22:55,705 --> 01:23:04,339 Like he just had a he just careened off a cliff and they the doctor comes to his bedside, he pulls whatever pills out of he's got in his pocket. 1448 01:23:04,339 --> 01:23:05,319 Here, take these kid. 1449 01:23:05,319 --> 01:23:05,679 Right. 1450 01:23:05,679 --> 01:23:06,730 Are they the right dosage? 1451 01:23:06,730 --> 01:23:07,160 Who knows? 1452 01:23:07,160 --> 01:23:09,091 I had him left over from a party last night. 1453 01:23:09,091 --> 01:23:12,482 Don't take more than twenty oxies in a day, kid. 1454 01:23:12,782 --> 01:23:15,003 Admittedly, Eric's smart enough to not take them. 1455 01:23:15,003 --> 01:23:19,165 We see him palm the pill rather than rather than swallow it. 1456 01:23:19,165 --> 01:23:20,655 Well, he knows the street value. 1457 01:23:20,655 --> 01:23:22,186 That's right. 1458 01:23:22,700 --> 01:23:23,150 Yeah. 1459 01:23:23,150 --> 01:23:33,083 Debbie shows up, the little girl from next door, she shows up, and she she basically says the wisest thing that anybody says in this movie: adults only believe what they want to 1460 01:23:33,083 --> 01:23:34,073 believe. 1461 01:23:34,583 --> 01:23:41,475 that is, I think, if the movie has got any kind of genuine wisdom in it, I'll give it that. 1462 01:23:41,475 --> 01:23:44,056 Adults only believe what they want to believe. 1463 01:23:44,786 --> 01:23:48,357 and the older sister Courtney, she shows up in a McDonald's uniform. 1464 01:23:48,667 --> 01:23:49,617 that's where she works. 1465 01:23:49,617 --> 01:23:51,138 It is not a fetish. 1466 01:23:52,992 --> 01:23:59,764 And they invite Eric to a birthday party for someone named Britney that he doesn't know and whom we'll never meet. 1467 01:23:59,764 --> 01:24:00,504 Right. 1468 01:24:00,504 --> 01:24:03,375 It's very stran why don't you come to Britney's birthday party? 1469 01:24:03,375 --> 01:24:06,566 Like it's like you don't know her. 1470 01:24:06,566 --> 01:24:08,377 Like they don't know her at all. 1471 01:24:08,377 --> 01:24:14,349 It's a very it's there's a lot of uh I don't know, this social faux pause going on here. 1472 01:24:14,349 --> 01:24:18,620 And then it turns into like a a Busby Berkeley musical number. 1473 01:24:18,620 --> 01:24:19,580 my god. 1474 01:24:19,754 --> 01:24:20,214 my god. 1475 01:24:20,214 --> 01:24:27,197 Like the mom like there's is we we have the mom has her older son drive her to work at Sears for her first day of work. 1476 01:24:27,197 --> 01:24:30,898 Um the son is a terrible driver, by the way. 1477 01:24:30,898 --> 01:24:31,558 Yeah. 1478 01:24:31,558 --> 01:24:34,099 Like he does not keep his eyes on the road at all. 1479 01:24:34,099 --> 01:24:35,528 Well, that's a carryover for me too. 1480 01:24:35,528 --> 01:24:36,700 Michael was a bad driver also. 1481 01:24:36,700 --> 01:24:37,097 That's right. 1482 01:24:37,097 --> 01:24:38,970 Well, Michael's learning to drive. 1483 01:24:38,970 --> 01:24:42,442 Like here he seems to know but just do it very poorly. 1484 01:24:42,442 --> 01:24:42,702 Yeah. 1485 01:24:42,702 --> 01:24:43,598 He has a 1486 01:24:43,628 --> 01:24:45,609 I've never driven forward before. 1487 01:24:45,609 --> 01:24:46,930 That's such a great line. 1488 01:24:46,930 --> 01:24:48,101 It's such a great bit. 1489 01:24:48,101 --> 01:24:49,191 I love it. 1490 01:24:49,191 -->

01:24:51,162 Because he always backed it out for his mom. 1491 01:24:51,162 --> 01:24:53,314 That's that's that's it. 1492 01:24:53,314 --> 01:24:55,064 Remembering a good movie. 1493 01:24:55,925 --> 01:24:56,866 make those connections. 1494 01:24:56,866 --> 01:24:58,747 And there's so many moments here. 1495 01:24:58,747 --> 01:24:59,307 Yeah. 1496 01:24:59,307 --> 01:25:06,201 My my my my I think the weirdest connection is uh I want to talk about this. 1497 01:25:06,201 --> 01:25:09,013 Uh the weirdest connection to E.T. 1498 01:25:09,013 --> 01:25:11,958 is, you know, in E.T., one of the kids. 1499 01:25:11,958 --> 01:25:15,179 Sing hums the Twilight Zone theme at one point. 1500 01:25:15,179 --> 01:25:17,199 Oh yeah. 1501 01:25:17,199 --> 01:25:20,440 And they do this in this in this movie too. 1502 01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:25,222 And then later they have a scene with a helicopter and a bunch of fire and a bunch of kids. 1503 01:25:25,222 --> 01:25:25,802 my god. 1504 01:25:25,802 --> 01:25:29,163 And I'm like, this is getting too close to home, guys. 1505 01:25:30,143 --> 01:25:35,134 It's it's funny because this movie does feel like E.T. 1506 01:25:35,134 --> 01:25:36,905 in a funhouse mirror. 1507 01:25:36,905 --> 01:25:41,046 Like, you know, in it like you can tell the outline. 1508 01:25:41,240 --> 01:25:43,362 But it's all distorted and weird. 1509 01:25:43,362 --> 01:25:48,005 Like, obviously, one of the things everybody remembers from E.T. 1510 01:25:48,005 --> 01:25:51,148 is how does he kind of lure E.T. 1511 01:25:51,148 --> 01:25:51,999 into the house? 1512 01:25:51,999 --> 01:25:53,760 It's with Reese's pieces. 1513 01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:54,660 Right. 1514 01:25:54,741 --> 01:26:01,527 Well, how does Eric lure this alien into the house? 1515 01:26:01,527 --> 01:26:03,208 It's not with Reese's pieces. 1516 01:26:03,208 --> 01:26:05,850 Admittedly, that would be a little too too obvious. 1517 01:26:05,850 --> 01:26:06,910 No, no. 1518 01:26:07,191 --> 01:26:10,214 He puts out little tiny cups of Coca-Cola. 1519 01:26:10,214 --> 01:26:11,052 Mm-hmm. 1520 01:26:11,052 --> 01:26:13,383 In an effort to lure this thing. 1521 01:26:13,983 --> 01:26:23,484 It's it's a I mean, it's it reaches a point of such kind of crass commercialism as to almost be awe inspiring. 1522 01:26:23,484 --> 01:26:26,789 I'm like, you really went there, didn't you, Coca-Cola? 1523 01:26:27,369 --> 01:26:31,211 Like and then they have this plan to trap it in a vacuum cleaner. 1524 01:26:31,851 --> 01:26:33,752 But here's what I want to know. 1525 01:26:33,752 --> 01:26:36,313 Why would they think that would work? 1526 01:26:36,553 --> 01:26:39,034 It's like it's it's not like 1527 01:26:39,490 --> 01:26:49,212 The only way they would think that would actually work if they saw the opening of this movie and what happened to the aliens on their home planet. 1528 01:26:49,212 --> 01:26:54,057 Are you are you trying to suggest there's a plot hole in this movie? 1529 01:26:54,057 --> 01:26:54,957 There might be. 1530 01:26:54,957 --> 01:27:05,042 It may be a plot hole or it's a very meta it's a meta textural movie in a way that we don't even realize that they have already seen the opening of the movie they're in. 1531 01:27:05,042 --> 01:27:05,822 Yeah. 1532 01:27:05,974 --> 01:27:16,794 I gotta I gotta tell you, Chris, like have you ever have you ever heard the uh the Pat Noswalt bit about um him getting fired from Best Week Ever? 1533 01:27:16,794 --> 01:27:18,089 I have not. 1534 01:27:18,089 --> 01:27:18,386 okay. 1535 01:27:18,386 --> 01:27:24,394 Yeah, it was basically like he he he used to be a talking head on VH one's Best Week Ever. 1536 01:27:24,394 --> 01:27:25,982 I remember that show back then. 1537 01:27:25,982 --> 01:27:35,546 They would talk about um different things happening in the news and stuff and uh with celebrities and things and the you know, w the the hosts 1538 01:27:35,626 --> 01:27:41,058 I was like, so hey Patton, I heard uh I heard Paris Hilton's in the news again. 1539 01:27:41,058 --> 01:27:42,869 And Patton is just so over it. 1540 01:27:42,869 --> 01:27:46,210 He's just like, she's a cunt who should die of AIDS. 1541 01:27:46,681 --> 01:27:47,851 my god. 1542 01:27:48,592 --> 01:27:51,353 And that's how I feel about Mac and Me. 1543 01:27:52,193 --> 01:27:53,174 I'm just like over. 1544 01:27:53,174 --> 01:27:54,754 I'm just like, I'm over it. 1545 01:27:54,754 --> 01:27:56,495 I don't want to figure it out. 1546 01:27:56,495 --> 01:28:02,808 I don't want to like, you know, uh f find you know, some kind of a grace note in it. 1547 01:28:02,808 --> 01:28:03,988 I'm just like 1548 01:28:04,552 --> 01:28:06,664 there's no grace note in it at all. 1549 01:28:06,664 --> 01:28:07,654 No, there's no. 1550 01:28:07,654 --> 01:28:22,455 It's it's it is it is a bonkers commercialized thing that I just it it it amazes me that it even exists because it takes it takes the commercialism that again is in that's kind of 1551 01:28:22,455 --> 01:28:27,097 naturally in a lot of movies and and was certainly accelerating in the 80s. 1552 01:28:27,118 --> 01:28:33,652 And it takes it to a point where you kind of like you can't go much further. 1553 01:28:33,868 --> 01:28:35,459 Than Mac and me. 1554 01:28:35,459 --> 01:28:36,020 Yeah. 1555 01:28:36,020 --> 01:28:40,564 Like you can't be much more commercialized than that. 1556 01:28:40,564 --> 01:28:41,164 Yeah. 1557 01:28:41,164 --> 01:28:48,350 There is another movie called Bye bye Love. 1558 01:28:48,350 --> 01:28:50,112 I remember Bye bye Love. 1559 01:28:50,112 --> 01:28:51,653 It's got Paul Riser. 1560 01:28:51,653 --> 01:28:52,494 That's right. 1561 01:28:52,494 --> 01:28:53,885 And Matthew Modine. 1562 01:28:53,885 --> 01:28:57,128 And it's like a a dad comedy or something. 1563 01:28:57,128 --> 01:28:58,459 And Randy Quaid. 1564 01:28:58,459 --> 01:28:59,800 And

Randy Quaid, yes. 1565 01:28:59,800 --> 01:29:02,342 They're the the comedic trio. 1566 01:29:02,586 --> 01:29:04,967 And yeah, and it had and it was like the same thing. 1567 01:29:04,967 --> 01:29:17,149 It was like they got McDonald's sponsorship and they s you know, like the place that these three guys went to you know, hang out and be bros together was McDonald's. 1568 01:29:17,149 --> 01:29:22,155 Well, if I remember right, it was that was the where they like the they're all three are divorced dads. 1569 01:29:22,155 --> 01:29:29,318 And they they share custody of their kids, and that was where they essentially that was where they did the handover. 1570 01:29:29,526 --> 01:29:34,048 From from one, you know, like the moms would hand over the dads and vice versa. 1571 01:29:34,048 --> 01:29:35,929 I have never actually seen it. 1572 01:29:35,929 --> 01:29:37,890 Um I haven't I haven't either. 1573 01:29:37,890 --> 01:29:41,021 But it's like, you know, like th this stuff never ends. 1574 01:29:41,021 --> 01:29:42,932 I mean, like, I mean I Oh no no. 1575 01:29:42,932 --> 01:29:43,272 Yeah. 1576 01:29:43,272 --> 01:29:47,724 I just did a commentary for a movie called Assassins with Sylvester Stallone. 1577 01:29:47,724 --> 01:29:52,776 The Stallone the Stallone um what was the it's uh Antonio Benderas. 1578 01:29:52,776 --> 01:29:53,376 Yeah. 1579 01:29:53,376 --> 01:29:54,777 And Julianne Moore. 1580 01:29:54,777 --> 01:29:55,717 That's right. 1581 01:29:55,717 --> 01:29:56,077 Yeah. 1582 01:29:56,077 --> 01:29:57,910 I I saw Assassins in the movie theater. 1583 01:29:57,910 --> 01:30:04,273 Yeah, I just I just did a commentary for that movie and I I you know I saw the Apple product placement. 1584 01:30:04,273 --> 01:30:12,416 Like both him and Antonio have MacBooks and 'cause they're both assassins and that that's like the standard issue laptop for assassins. 1585 01:30:12,416 --> 01:30:13,086 Yeah, yeah. 1586 01:30:13,086 --> 01:30:25,931 And I and I so I looked it up 'cause I you know I like to research my commentaries and I looked it up and at that point in time, Apple was doing product placement in sixty movies 1587 01:30:25,931 --> 01:30:26,762 a year. 1588 01:30:26,762 --> 01:30:27,820 my God. 1589 01:30:27,820 --> 01:30:28,650 Yeah. 1590 01:30:29,111 --> 01:30:37,993 It's just like, yeah, and it and and you know, and and of course, like, you know, you see Apple and Mission Impossible, you see Apple Apple Saves the World and Independence Day. 1591 01:30:37,993 --> 01:30:50,743 And it's like, you know, yeah, like it the the the movies around the product placement might be better than this one, but the crassness is just as in insidious. 1592 01:30:50,743 --> 01:30:57,336 And and it and it from this point, it's sort of escal like it it's like this is the inflection point. 1593 01:30:57,336 --> 01:31:01,437 Going out of the eighties into where it eventually would go. 1594 01:31:01,437 --> 01:31:03,208 I f I think we might have Justin back. 1595 01:31:03,208 --> 01:31:04,099 I just want to check. 1596 01:31:04,099 --> 01:31:06,710 Justin, are you uh are you there? 1597 01:31:06,710 --> 01:31:13,632 Big McDonald's came to my door and they were not happy about how we've been handling this so far. 1598 01:31:13,632 --> 01:31:14,573 my god. 1599 01:31:14,573 --> 01:31:18,875 They said it's time to shut your router down and disconnect you from the internet. 1600 01:31:18,875 --> 01:31:21,426 And before I knew what happened, I was gone, guys. 1601 01:31:21,426 --> 01:31:21,906 my god. 1602 01:31:21,906 --> 01:31:27,308 Well I I c I could I didn't hear anything you just said, Justin, because I was just 1603 01:31:27,308 --> 01:31:29,999 Diving into this delicious Big Mac I have. 1604 01:31:30,479 --> 01:31:30,809 geez. 1605 01:31:30,809 --> 01:31:34,180 Thankfully my order of of McNuggets arrived. 1606 01:31:34,180 --> 01:31:34,700 Mm-hmm. 1607 01:31:34,700 --> 01:31:39,392 Listen, just 'cause you guys are in the pocket of McDonald's doesn't mean I have to play along with this. 1608 01:31:39,392 --> 01:31:40,462 Okay. 1609 01:31:40,462 --> 01:31:46,364 uh Come on. 1610 01:31:46,364 --> 01:31:47,304 Sorry. 1611 01:31:47,304 --> 01:31:48,454 Forget it, Justin. 1612 01:31:48,454 --> 01:31:49,444 It's McDonald's time. 1613 01:31:49,444 --> 01:31:50,585 It's McDonald's. 1614 01:31:50,585 --> 01:31:52,025 They're bigger than U.S. 1615 01:31:52,025 --> 01:31:52,885 steel. 1616 01:31:52,885 --> 01:31:53,496 They are. 1617 01:31:53,496 --> 01:31:54,518 They're probably 1618 01:31:56,238 --> 01:31:59,481 And they still haven't figured out the vegetarian thing, the idiots. 1619 01:31:59,481 --> 01:32:05,306 Everyone else has figured it out, but the biggest chain that offers vegetarian stuff around the world can't figure it out here. 1620 01:32:05,306 --> 01:32:05,786 Come on. 1621 01:32:05,786 --> 01:32:10,540 Doesn't doesn't uh what what's big Burger King have the impossible burger? 1622 01:32:10,540 --> 01:32:12,072 They have the imp I don't know if that's gonna be good. 1623 01:32:12,072 --> 01:32:22,321 Yeah, Burger King has impossible, culverse has a a veggie burger too, and I mean it's kind of everywhere except the monolith, the big one. 1624 01:32:22,321 --> 01:32:23,240 It's very odd. 1625 01:32:23,240 --> 01:32:23,894 And I 1626 01:32:23,894 --> 01:32:30,067 Although I do enjoy seeing what they offer overseas just in general, because they make some really out there stuff. 1627 01:32:30,067 --> 01:32:30,597 Yeah. 1628 01:32:30,597 --> 01:32:32,554 Well, Big McDonald's is watching. 1629 01:32:32,554 --> 01:32:36,640 I mean they I mean they they they got this movie to be Mac and me. 1630 01:32:36,640 --> 01:32:40,727 Mysteria that's I that's I unless you guys that's a term everybody uses, right? 1631 01:32:40,727 --> 01:32:41,702 Uh MAC. 1632 01:32:41,702 --> 01:32:43,673 It's that's a mysterious alien creature. 1633

01:32:43,673 --> 01:32:44,703 There you go. 1634 01:32:44,703 --> 01:32:45,043 Yeah. 1635 01:32:45,043 --> 01:32:45,644 Duh. 1636 01:32:45,644 --> 01:32:51,224 So the next morning, like the the the kids they they they they tore the they they really 1637 01:32:51,224 --> 01:32:54,497 The house gets fucked up by the kids in the vacuum. 1638 01:32:54,497 --> 01:32:58,781 And the alien kind of comes up and you know cleans up overnight. 1639 01:32:58,781 --> 01:33:02,864 And and the the mom, the idiot mom, is like, oh, you cleaned up. 1640 01:33:02,864 --> 01:33:08,790 How do you think like even Mike says, what would we do this? 1641 01:33:08,790 --> 01:33:12,473 The question he should have asked is, could we do this? 1642 01:33:12,473 --> 01:33:14,854 Could we have cleaned up this mess? 1643 01:33:14,995 --> 01:33:18,638 The answer is no, this lady is an abject moron. 1644 01:33:19,020 --> 01:33:27,254 I mean it's just you know, and then you got the other aliens, they're out they're out on like Nimbus three where it's you know, they're they're looking for you got the Nimbus I 1645 01:33:27,254 --> 01:33:29,105 knew someone would get the Nimbus three. 1646 01:33:29,105 --> 01:33:30,395 It does look like that. 1647 01:33:30,395 --> 01:33:31,396 It does. 1648 01:33:31,396 --> 01:33:33,837 It does on the planet of Galactic Peace. 1649 01:33:33,837 --> 01:33:42,040 And and and that guy with no that guy with no teeth at the beginning of Star Trek five is way more attractive than the aliens in this movie. 1650 01:33:42,040 --> 01:33:43,321 that is that is true. 1651 01:33:43,321 --> 01:33:45,664 That is like that's you know. 1652 01:33:45,664 --> 01:33:50,025 So hey, he's gonna he's gonna kill you for a field of empty holes because that's all he's got. 1653 01:33:50,025 --> 01:33:51,146 Mm-hmm. 1654 01:33:51,389 --> 01:33:53,953 How did you get this power? 1655 01:33:55,976 --> 01:33:58,478 We b god, I know Star Trek V too well. 1656 01:33:58,478 --> 01:34:01,470 It's really Can we just do the rest of the podcast about Star Trek? 1657 01:34:01,470 --> 01:34:11,277 We're just doing Star Trek V from here on That that actually that was a thing I don't know if you either of you have seen it, but the honest trailer for E. 1658 01:34:11,277 --> 01:34:11,637 T. 1659 01:34:11,637 --> 01:34:12,498 Have you seen it? 1660 01:34:12,498 --> 01:34:13,729 I have seen it, yes. 1661 01:34:13,729 --> 01:34:16,266 Yeah, the honest trailer for E.T. 1662 01:34:16,266 --> 01:34:21,285 uh is a uh a a secret back in the honest trailer. 1663 01:34:21,285 --> 01:34:22,005 Yeah. 1664 01:34:22,005 --> 01:34:23,610 And uh yeah. 1665 01:34:23,610 --> 01:34:27,092 And uh yeah, and at that that it's it that's kind of perfect. 1666 01:34:27,092 --> 01:34:27,753 Yeah, it is. 1667 01:34:27,753 --> 01:34:30,394 It absolutely, it absolutely is. 1668 01:34:30,394 --> 01:34:39,339 So we get, you know, we get the alien, he go he runs amuck in a in a toy truck at

one point, which nobody seems to notice. 1669 01:34:39,339 --> 01:34:45,603 We get some Timu Peter Satara, um, you know, like a power ballad. 1670 01:34:45,603 --> 01:34:46,444 So bad. 1671 01:34:46,444 --> 01:34:50,866 One of the things I noticed that was fascinating to me when they're back at the house. 1672 01:34:50,976 --> 01:34:54,047 Eric's got a can of Coca-Cola on the kitchen table. 1673 01:34:54,047 --> 01:35:00,950 Now you're like, Chris, this movie has been lousy with Coca-Cola. 1674 01:35:00,950 --> 01:35:04,432 Like, there's literally Coca-Cola everywhere. 1675 01:35:04,832 --> 01:35:11,815 But the can that he has in the house, guys, it's New Coke. 1676 01:35:12,696 --> 01:35:13,636 Yeah. 1677 01:35:14,196 --> 01:35:16,317 That's why my name right now says New Coke. 1678 01:35:16,317 --> 01:35:18,168 So I just thought because you came back. 1679 01:35:18,168 --> 01:35:22,830 from from you know having been roughed up by the the big McDonald's people. 1680 01:35:22,830 --> 01:35:24,851 I hope they didn't I hope they didn't do too. 1681 01:35:24,851 --> 01:35:28,513 I I hope they didn't you know my God, they can be tough. 1682 01:35:28,513 --> 01:35:30,143 You know, just ask yeah. 1683 01:35:30,143 --> 01:35:31,864 Just ask Roy Rogers. 1684 01:35:31,864 --> 01:35:32,114 Yeah. 1685 01:35:32,114 --> 01:35:33,125 That's right. 1686 01:35:33,125 --> 01:35:44,662 There is a there is a prominent Coca-Cola product placement in ET with uh but it's it's kind of fun because the Elliot has the um 1687 01:35:44,662 --> 01:35:49,994 Like a Coke can on his desk and it looks like it's spilled, but it's actually like a novelty. 1688 01:35:49,994 --> 01:35:52,805 I remember the can with like a little rubber whatever. 1689 01:35:52,805 --> 01:35:54,556 It looks like it looks it's like a novel. 1690 01:35:54,556 --> 01:35:54,796 Yeah. 1691 01:35:54,796 --> 01:35:59,058 I it's like a it's like a plastic plastic Coke is spilled on looks. 1692 01:35:59,058 --> 01:35:59,428 Yeah. 1693 01:35:59,428 --> 01:36:04,330 Who wouldn't want to look as if Coca-Cola was perpetually spilling on your desk? 1694 01:36:04,330 --> 01:36:05,090 Mm-hmm. 1695 01:36:05,090 --> 01:36:07,671 I mean who among us hasn't dreamed of that? 1696 01:36:08,072 --> 01:36:14,634 And it's it's funny this movie is so strange because like one of the things that makes E.T. 1697 01:36:14,740 --> 01:36:19,004 So wondrous is the relationship between E.T. 1698 01:36:19,004 --> 01:36:20,035 and Elliot. 1699 01:36:20,035 --> 01:36:30,694 But this movie spends so much time with them chasing the creature only for it to disappear again that the relationship building that E.T. 1700 01:36:30,694 --> 01:36:35,167 is is founded upon just kind of doesn't happen here. 1701 01:36:35,308 --> 01:36:40,472 Like it's just kind of like, they're always chasing it, and then it shows up again at the last minute. 1702 01:36:41,013 --> 01:36:42,934 Which leads us to a scene. 1703 01:36:44,044 --> 01:36:47,365 I mean, this scene is is just so uh Mac shows up again. 1704 01:36:47,365 --> 01:36:49,536 They call him Mac, they start calling him Mac. 1705 01:36:49,536 --> 01:36:51,217 I'm gonna call him Mac. 1706 01:36:51,217 --> 01:36:55,939 he shows up again, he's watching the snorks, he loves the fucking snorks. 1707 01:36:56,169 --> 01:37:01,561 he looks under the weather, they say he looks depressed, probably because he's watching his own movie. 1708 01:37:02,202 --> 01:37:06,784 and this is when the feds show up, because that's another plot point from from E.T. 1709 01:37:06,784 --> 01:37:11,445 is that, you know, the feds are looking for uh for the alien, you know. 1710 01:37:11,726 --> 01:37:12,566 And 1711 01:37:13,036 --> 01:37:17,768 They are convinced it's it's funny because they're convinced the alien is here, and I have no idea why. 1712 01:37:17,768 --> 01:37:19,469 Like, why did they think it's here? 1713 01:37:19,469 --> 01:37:21,269 Why are they so sure? 1714 01:37:21,890 --> 01:37:24,270 It's just because the script tells them so. 1715 01:37:24,331 --> 01:37:35,335 So, anyway, what I'm trying to get to is they can't leave the alien at home, but they're going to this birthday party for a girl they don't know. 1716 01:37:35,755 --> 01:37:38,116 They need to bring the alien with them. 1717 01:37:38,536 --> 01:37:40,357 How are they gonna do that, guys? 1718 01:37:40,357 --> 01:37:41,337 You know. 1719 01:37:41,478 --> 01:37:42,680 It's a bear costume. 1720 01:37:42,680 --> 01:37:44,971 They put him in a fucking bear costume. 1721 01:37:44,971 --> 01:37:51,074 This is this is my second favorite bear costume after Nicolas Cage and the Wickerman remake. 1722 01:37:52,075 --> 01:38:01,440 Which fun fact, anytime I'm asked to appear in a movie, which is not often 'cause I'm really horrible, and it I take a a DVD copy of that Wickerman with me as good luck. 1723 01:38:01,440 --> 01:38:01,790 Yeah. 1724 01:38:01,790 --> 01:38:03,171 That's insane. 1725 01:38:03,171 --> 01:38:06,903 I'm that's the hockey player in me that's like superstitious about weird shit. 1726 01:38:06,903 --> 01:38:07,293 Sure. 1727 01:38:07,293 --> 01:38:10,105 So that's that's it's not even the original Wickerman. 1728 01:38:10,105 --> 01:38:12,532 It's it's the Nicolas Cage Wickerman. 1729 01:38:12,532 --> 01:38:15,104 No, it is the there's only one. 1730 01:38:15,104 --> 01:38:19,647 And just like the to me only one Superman and sadly that movie wasn't made. 1731 01:38:19,647 --> 01:38:22,008 And that also featured Nicholas Cage. 1732 01:38:22,569 --> 01:38:26,151 I think the bear suit in this might be the most disturbing element in this movie. 1733 01:38:26,151 --> 01:38:28,593 It's worse than anything else. 1734 01:38:28,593 --> 01:38:33,086 And not only because his eyes roll around like giant googly eyes. 1735 01:38:33,086 --> 01:38:34,297 it's upsetting. 1736 01:38:34,297 --> 01:38:36,919 But also because

it's a shape shifter. 1737 01:38:36,919 --> 01:38:41,304 It's this is a some kind of lycanthrope demon that 1738 01:38:41,304 --> 01:38:50,518 Transitions from being three feet tall to like five and then sometimes has short arms, sometimes long. 1739 01:38:50,518 --> 01:38:53,579 The eyes are the only thing that's consistent and they haunt me. 1740 01:38:53,579 --> 01:38:54,119 Yeah. 1741 01:38:54,119 --> 01:38:56,420 No, the eyes are upsetting. 1742 01:38:56,420 --> 01:39:00,482 It's like it's like the Westworld version of Teddy Ruxpin. 1743 01:39:01,062 --> 01:39:01,342 Yeah. 1744 01:39:01,342 --> 01:39:10,806 It's like it's it's like the the the if the Westworld, you know, gunslinger or the played by Yill Brenner was Teddy Ruxpin, that would be the vibe. 1745 01:39:10,806 --> 01:39:19,670 We could do a sports bracket at some point of the most disturbing bear costume in a movie, but I'm just gonna go with furry getting a blowjob in the shining. 1746 01:39:19,670 --> 01:39:20,875 I'm just gonna go with that one. 1747 01:39:20,875 --> 01:39:24,237 Honestly, you know, I don't even see that as a problem. 1748 01:39:24,678 --> 01:39:32,795 Those guys it's you know what two adults do in the privacy of their own, you know, hotel room, you know, that one of them wants to wear a bear costume and the other's got a man I 1749 01:39:32,795 --> 01:39:35,418 okay, it's Is this the thing that's gonna get me cancelled now? 1750 01:39:35,418 --> 01:39:38,292 It's like uh 1751 01:39:38,292 --> 01:39:41,744 I slut shamed the furry from the shining. 1752 01:39:41,744 --> 01:39:45,026 Oh God. 1753 01:39:45,026 --> 01:39:48,118 I just love that they they explain to the mother who's driving them to the party. 1754 01:39:48,118 --> 01:39:51,019 It's one of those computerized teddy bears with new microchips. 1755 01:39:51,019 --> 01:39:52,210 I'm like, what? 1756 01:39:52,310 --> 01:39:52,750 What? 1757 01:39:52,750 --> 01:39:53,691 And she buys it. 1758 01:39:53,691 --> 01:39:57,953 Like everybody everybody in this, whatever part of LA this is, everybody's a moron. 1759 01:39:57,953 --> 01:40:02,096 Like it's just so where is this party being held? 1760 01:40:02,096 --> 01:40:05,698 Where guys, where is this birthday party being held? 1761 01:40:05,698 --> 01:40:06,784 Fed Ruckers. 1762 01:40:06,784 --> 01:40:08,796 It is it is not at Fudrucker's. 1763 01:40:08,796 --> 01:40:09,356 Ugh. 1764 01:40:09,356 --> 01:40:10,797 Take another take Justin. 1765 01:40:10,797 --> 01:40:12,298 Do you want to take a take a guess? 1766 01:40:12,298 --> 01:40:14,979 Oh man. 1767 01:40:15,700 --> 01:40:17,514 The Hustler Club in LA? 1768 01:40:17,514 --> 01:40:21,545 It it is in fact at the Hustler Club in LA. 1769 01:40:21,545 --> 01:40:22,525 Yes. 1770 01:40:22,525 --> 01:40:23,446 I knew it. 1771 01:40:23,446 --> 01:40:25,988 I was gonna guess Shoney's, but he got it. 1772 01:40:25,988 --> 01:40:27,859 I've never been to a Shoney's. 1773 01:40:27,859 --> 01:40:29,950 It could have been a Wawa, New Jersey. 1774 01:40:29,950 --> 01:40:31,311 If it was in New Jersey, it could have been a Wawa. 1775 01:40:31,311 --> 01:40:32,953 That would have been something. 1776 01:40:32,953 --> 01:40:34,593 Yeah, it would be something. 1777 01:40:35,128 --> 01:40:37,763 This it is in fact at a McDonald's. 1778 01:40:37,763 --> 01:40:48,458 It is not so much a birthday party, but it is a fully choreographed, corporate-sponsored performance art commercial. 1779 01:40:48,458 --> 01:40:49,460 Ugh. 1780 01:40:52,402 --> 01:40:55,023 Okay, kid, let's get this dance contest going. 1781 01:40:55,023 --> 01:40:55,753 He's here! 1782 01:40:55,753 --> 01:40:56,483 What? 1783 01:40:56,483 --> 01:40:58,014 Mac, he's in the teddy suit! 1784 01:40:58,014 --> 01:40:58,274 He is? 1785 01:40:58,274 --> 01:41:00,144 I don't believe this! 1786 01:41:00,144 --> 01:41:01,642 Debbie, what's going on? 1787 01:41:01,642 --> 01:41:02,435 It's okay. 1788 01:41:02,435 --> 01:41:06,186 Everybody thinks he's just a toy. 1789 01:41:06,186 --> 01:41:06,897 Hi my god. 1790 01:41:06,897 --> 01:41:09,307 The thing I was telling you about, it's in the teddy suit. 1791 01:41:09,307 --> 01:41:10,808 Oh, no way, he's so cute. 1792 01:41:10,808 --> 01:41:11,468 Yeah, real cute. 1793 01:41:11,468 --> 01:41:12,742 Listen, those guys were following us. 1794 01:41:12,742 --> 01:41:13,549 They're here. 1795 01:41:13,549 --> 01:41:14,789 Well, what are we gonna do? 1796 01:41:14,789 --> 01:41:17,990 I don't know, just keep him danced and they'll just think he's a teddy. 1797 01:41:22,263 --> 01:41:24,606 Okay, pick up the face. 1798 01:41:24,606 --> 01:41:25,308 Very good. 1799 01:41:25,308 --> 01:41:33,862 people may like to impress uh you. 1800 01:41:38,731 --> 01:41:40,261 I mean, honestly, this whole thing. 1801 01:41:40,261 --> 01:41:45,213 You got breakdancers, you got Ronald McDonald doing magic. 1802 01:41:45,213 --> 01:41:54,555 You have a restaurant-wide dance contest involving football players in full uniform with pads and eye black. 1803 01:41:54,555 --> 01:41:56,226 Adult football players. 1804 01:41:56,226 --> 01:41:58,356 They look like they're 45. 1805 01:41:58,356 --> 01:41:58,777 They are. 1806 01:41:58,777 --> 01:42:00,897 Like they have aged out of the NFL. 1807 01:42:00,897 --> 01:42:02,518 Let's just be honest. 1808 01:42:02,518 --> 01:42:04,158 No, these guys. 1809 01:42:04,472 --> 01:42:05,923 They're they're playing overseas. 1810 01:42:05,923 --> 01:42:09,284 They're maybe playing the Canadian Football League, for goodness sake. 1811 01:42:09,284 --> 01:42:09,764 Yeah. 1812 01:42:09,764 --> 01:42:13,446 This scene made me wish I was watching Can't Stop the Music. 1813 01:42:14,226 --> 01:42:24,210 Which which we may do uh eventually in our you know as part of a possible uh get me another Saturday Fever series. 1814 01:42:24,330 --> 01:42:25,441 There's ballerinas. 1815

01:42:25,441 --> 01:42:27,571 The ballerinas are bored. 1816 01:42:27,852 --> 01:42:32,034 There's a the ballerinas really she is miming, yawning. 1817 01:42:32,034 --> 01:42:33,420 Well, this is low brow. 1818 01:42:33,420 --> 01:42:36,531 She went to McDonald's for delicious and nutritious food. 1819 01:42:36,531 --> 01:42:37,731 That's true. 1820 01:42:37,731 --> 01:42:43,573 And she ends up in the middle of some hellish dance-dance revolution nightmare. 1821 01:42:43,573 --> 01:42:47,954 The bear, the bear costumed Mac is doing somersaults. 1822 01:42:47,954 --> 01:42:49,623 He's crowd surfing. 1823 01:42:49,623 --> 01:42:59,657 When he does somersaults, when he flies through the air, I the it's clear that he's on and I understand they had this okay. 1824 01:42:59,677 --> 01:43:01,718 It's not a real alien, right? 1825 01:43:01,718 --> 01:43:02,358 No. 1826 01:43:02,358 --> 01:43:02,914 So 1827 01:43:02,914 --> 01:43:07,657 So they had to use cables and things to put him on to spin him around. 1828 01:43:07,657 --> 01:43:07,988 Right. 1829 01:43:07,988 --> 01:43:14,192 But every time he's in the air, every time he moves, it's just so clear that he's on cables on both sides of him. 1830 01:43:14,192 --> 01:43:16,364 And that goes through to the end of this scene. 1831 01:43:16,364 --> 01:43:18,245 And that's such a weird element. 1832 01:43:18,245 --> 01:43:25,270 And the way that he traverses time and space tells me that he has powers beyond what we're dealing with. 1833 01:43:25,270 --> 01:43:31,010 Like if he has these kinds of powers and the the powers that are established in the whole thing so far. 1834 01:43:31,010 --> 01:43:33,312 He's done some pretty incredible stuff by this point. 1835 01:43:33,312 --> 01:43:34,143 Yeah. 1836 01:43:34,143 --> 01:43:34,973 yeah. 1837 01:43:34,973 --> 01:43:38,563 And he can communicate with his family cajillion miles away. 1838 01:43:38,563 --> 01:43:45,813 This goes back to this is our Nukey problem again, Chris, because in Nukey they just could have taken care of it themselves, the alien. 1839 01:43:45,813 --> 01:43:46,684 They could have. 1840 01:43:46,684 --> 01:43:48,886 They had the ability to orb, remember? 1841 01:43:48,886 --> 01:43:49,406 Yeah. 1842 01:43:49,406 --> 01:43:51,248 Oh, they orb they orbed the shit out of that. 1843 01:43:51,248 --> 01:43:52,429 They orbed around the moon. 1844 01:43:52,429 --> 01:43:53,540 They or orb and left. 1845 01:43:53,540 --> 01:43:58,648 Eventually, but not out of the situ they wanted to find each other, but they never thought to orb to each other. 1846 01:43:58,648 --> 01:44:02,561 To quote the the that movie, it's Orban Time. 1847 01:44:02,562 --> 01:44:03,382 Etc. 1848 01:44:04,023 --> 01:44:04,684 Yes. 1849 01:44:04,684 --> 01:44:06,245 The movie that everybody loves. 1850 01:44:06,245 --> 01:44:09,888 So that that beloved actor in the leading role. 1851 01:44:09,888 --> 01:44:19,437 I would like to think if Hieronymus Bosch saw this dance sequence, he just would have been like too scary. 1852 01:44:19,437 --> 01:44:23,471 uh It's it's so weird. 1853 01:44:23,471 --> 01:44:25,062 Like it's 1854 01:44:25,442 --> 01:44:28,063 Like honestly, I'm watching this thing. 1855 01:44:28,063 --> 01:44:38,707 And I mean the t the bear is dancing on the counter and just I'm watch I'm like, is this the beginning of the end of eighties culture here happening in a McDonald's in Mac and Me? 1856 01:44:38,707 --> 01:44:39,408 Yeah. 1857 01:44:39,408 --> 01:44:49,282 Like a generative AI could not hallucinate anything more like uh yeah Claude's not coming up with this shit, no, no. 1858 01:44:49,282 --> 01:44:55,210 It's uh it's but like you you reach a point an a you know sort of of of 1859 01:44:55,210 --> 01:44:57,491 such maximum inauthenticity. 1860 01:44:57,491 --> 01:44:58,011 Yeah. 1861 01:44:58,011 --> 01:45:03,834 That to the degree that we see here that at some point like a backlash is inevitable. 1862 01:45:04,154 --> 01:45:08,676 Like is this the furthest point on the pendulum before it starts to swing the other way? 1863 01:45:08,676 --> 01:45:14,438 In short, gentlemen, is this the moment the 90s were conceived? 1864 01:45:15,379 --> 01:45:16,239 Hmm. 1865 01:45:16,239 --> 01:45:23,072 Um and and the there's an after there's an Ashford and Simpson song, Down to Earth, that's playing 1866 01:45:23,136 --> 01:45:27,629 It sounds like a combination of neutron dance and a theme from Thundercats. 1867 01:45:27,629 --> 01:45:28,589 Mm-hmm. 1868 01:45:28,630 --> 01:45:29,780 So weird. 1869 01:45:29,971 --> 01:45:37,266 and the whole thing comes to a climax in front of the truck bearing the uh the logos for Golden State Foods and McDonald's. 1870 01:45:37,266 --> 01:45:42,089 It's it's uh and and I should mention that during this whole scene, the government has showed up. 1871 01:45:42,089 --> 01:45:45,622 They're they know that this alien, they they're trying to capture that alien. 1872 01:45:45,622 --> 01:45:50,685 They they literally bring two huge boxes that don't fit in their trunk. 1873 01:45:50,685 --> 01:45:51,486 Yeah. 1874 01:45:51,486 --> 01:45:51,958 Like 1875 01:45:51,958 --> 01:45:55,270 I feel like the US government could have probably afforded to rent a van. 1876 01:45:55,270 --> 01:45:56,020 Yeah. 1877 01:45:56,660 --> 01:45:58,021 But they didn't. 1878 01:45:58,601 --> 01:46:09,596 And as bonkers as this scene is, it leads into one that may actually top it for sheer absurdity as the as the feds try to grab Eric and Mac and they escape down a hill in 1879 01:46:09,596 --> 01:46:11,187 Eric's wheelchair. 1880 01:46:11,787 --> 01:46:17,470 What follows is a chase scene that is so beyond preposterous. 1881 01:46:17,910 --> 01:46:24,004 I mean again, we're talking about so that a movie that is kind of this funhouse mirror version of E.T. 1882 01:46:24,004 --> 01:46:25,050 E.T. 1883 01:46:25,050 --> 01:46:32,370 y you

know, the climactic bike chase, which is just a a masterpiece of like of of of movie making. 1884 01:46:32,370 --> 01:46:34,081 It's it's incredible. 1885 01:46:34,242 --> 01:46:37,964 And and and we talked about this in our first episode. 1886 01:46:38,044 --> 01:46:42,547 The kids on bikes trope really starts with E. 1887 01:46:42,547 --> 01:46:42,988 T. 1888 01:46:42,988 --> 01:46:45,690 and that that climactic bike chase scene. 1889 01:46:45,690 --> 01:46:46,346 Yeah. 1890 01:46:46,346 --> 01:46:55,622 I w I I w I just wanna I'm not gonna spoil it, but I will say in my book, Stranded Uarth How Night Skies Became ETV Extraterrestrial out October twenty-seventh. 1891 01:46:55,622 --> 01:47:02,106 Yeah, I do discuss uh that bike scene and sort of how that came to be. 1892 01:47:02,106 --> 01:47:02,897 Oh I can't wait. 1893 01:47:02,897 --> 01:47:06,719 Where like where that came from and and you will not believe it. 1894 01:47:06,820 --> 01:47:07,640 I'm so excited. 1895 01:47:07,640 --> 01:47:08,631 I'm so excited. 1896 01:47:08,631 --> 01:47:10,710 It's such a like a key 1897 01:47:10,710 --> 01:47:17,613 Like it's such a key moment because you have like it's that kids on bikes thing that everybody's nostalgic for in the 80s. 1898 01:47:17,613 --> 01:47:24,636 And it's like the idea is it's not even so much the bikes per se, it's the kids independent of adults having some kind of adventure. 1899 01:47:24,636 --> 01:47:25,196 E.T. 1900 01:47:25,196 --> 01:47:26,876 is kind of the beginning of that trope. 1901 01:47:26,876 --> 01:47:30,058 It likely peaks with Goonies in 85. 1902 01:47:30,319 --> 01:47:35,541 And then here we have it pushed to its absolute absurd limit. 1903 01:47:35,541 --> 01:47:36,001 Yeah. 1904 01:47:36,001 --> 01:47:38,186 At one point, Mac gets a gets 1905 01:47:38,186 --> 01:47:40,827 Some kind of women's undergarment on him. 1906 01:47:40,827 --> 01:47:42,117 Yes, he does. 1907 01:47:42,117 --> 01:47:45,748 And all all I could think of was that part of raising Arizona. 1908 01:47:45,748 --> 01:47:49,089 He's like, son, you got a panty on you at the end. 1909 01:47:49,350 --> 01:47:53,081 He goes through a fence that would have totally knocked him out cold. 1910 01:47:53,081 --> 01:47:53,541 Yeah. 1911 01:47:53,541 --> 01:47:55,031 Like there's no way. 1912 01:47:55,031 --> 01:47:57,672 And and he's dodging cars left and right. 1913 01:47:57,672 --> 01:47:59,883 He at one point he's in the wheelchair. 1914 01:47:59,883 --> 01:48:04,178 He grabs onto the back of a truck like he's Marty McFly on a skateboard. 1915 01:48:04,178 --> 01:48:09,563 Uh and then again that gives him enough momentum to wheel into the Sears where his mom works. 1916 01:48:09,563 --> 01:48:09,933 Yeah. 1917 01:48:09,933 --> 01:48:12,745 And he hides between the toilet seats and Voltron. 1918 01:48:12,745 --> 01:48:13,125 Yeah. 1919 01:48:13,125 --> 01:48:17,469 By the way, a lot of remaindered Masters of the Universe toys in the background. 1920 01:48:17,469 --> 01:48:20,471 It's funny you should say that because I was thinking the same thing too. 1921 01:48:20,471 --> 01:48:29,248 It's like all the toys you see are 80s action figures brands that by that, well, I loved because I was of the age of those things. 1922 01:48:29,248 --> 01:48:31,010 I love Voltrod, I love Masters of the Universe. 1923 01:48:31,010 --> 01:48:31,370 Yeah. 1924 01:48:31,370 --> 01:48:33,592 But by 88, those. 1925 01:48:33,592 --> 01:48:35,383 Those were kind of on their way out. 1926 01:48:35,383 --> 01:48:35,924 Yeah. 1927 01:48:35,924 --> 01:48:40,677 There's no teenage mutant ninja turtles, which is gonna carry you forward into the nineties. 1928 01:48:40,677 --> 01:48:41,448 Yeah, yeah. 1929 01:48:41,448 --> 01:48:41,858 Yeah. 1930 01:48:41,858 --> 01:48:45,130 This is all the graveyard of 80s toys. 1931 01:48:45,130 --> 01:48:45,791 Yeah. 1932 01:48:45,791 --> 01:48:46,551 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1933 01:48:46,551 --> 01:48:56,098 And that was one of the things where I was sort of like, I'm very happy they did it because I did enjoy it, but I was sort of like, why are you putting 200 million dollars 1934 01:48:56,544 --> 01:48:58,535 Into a Masters of the Universe movie. 1935 01:48:58,535 --> 01:49:03,098 Oh, I enjoyed the hell out of that movie, but I totally I totally understand. 1936 01:49:03,098 --> 01:49:03,518 It's like, why? 1937 01:49:03,518 --> 01:49:08,320 Why did you why this was popular for like literally like two years? 1938 01:49:09,081 --> 01:49:13,103 It it feels like it's a movie 20 years behind its time. 1939 01:49:13,103 --> 01:49:13,603 Right. 1940 01:49:13,603 --> 01:49:25,569 It it it feels the Masters of the Universe movie, which I thoroughly enjoyed, it is for Gen X what the man from Uncle movie was for baby boomers. 1941 01:49:26,070 --> 01:49:28,171 Like this thing that is actually a good movie. 1942 01:49:28,171 --> 01:49:33,284 Like Man from the Man from Uncle movie is actually pretty good, but it came it should have been out in like ninety-five. 1943 01:49:33,284 --> 01:49:35,195 And instead it came out in twenty fifteen. 1944 01:49:35,195 --> 01:49:35,615 Yeah. 1945 01:49:35,615 --> 01:49:39,237 I actually did a commentary on the Man from Uncle movie. 1946 01:49:39,237 --> 01:49:39,897 I like it. 1947 01:49:39,897 --> 01:49:40,868 I like it a lot. 1948 01:49:40,868 --> 01:49:43,199 There's a there's a arrow video. 1949 01:49:43,199 --> 01:49:48,732 It was the movie that introduced me to Elizabeth Debicke, which is I mean, not I don't know her person. 1950 01:49:48,732 --> 01:49:49,272 I didn't 1951 01:49:49,272 --> 01:49:50,323 Get introduced to her. 1952 01:49:50,323 --> 01:49:52,955 Henry Cavill is hilarious in that movie. 1953 01:49:52,955 --> 01:49:53,465 my God. 1954 01:49:53,465 --> 01:50:00,471 The there's a moment where she lays down on a couch, which is just kind of an extraordinary movement of the

human body. 1955 01:50:00,471 --> 01:50:01,712 It's it's amazing. 1956 01:50:01,712 --> 01:50:02,403 Yeah. 1957 01:50:02,403 --> 01:50:10,199 but yeah, but that movie came out twenty years after it should have like the nineties was when you were having all those those sixties and seventies properties, you know, the 1958 01:50:10,199 --> 01:50:10,901 fugitive. 1959 01:50:10,901 --> 01:50:13,652 Well, and they were trying to do the man from uncle in the nineties. 1960 01:50:13,652 --> 01:50:15,383 Quentin Tarantino was gonna do it. 1961 01:50:15,383 --> 01:50:18,266 Yeah, it just got stuck into the God, can you imagine? 1962 01:50:18,266 --> 01:50:18,806 Yeah. 1963 01:50:18,806 --> 01:50:22,287 No, it was it wa it was twenty five years of development. 1964 01:50:22,287 --> 01:50:22,667 Yeah. 1965 01:50:22,667 --> 01:50:24,908 I I think the same thing happened to Masters of the Universe. 1966 01:50:24,908 --> 01:50:34,851 It was that way they were trying to do that for a while and and then it it eventually just kind of it took too long and then I mean, again, I enjoyed the hell out of it because you 1967 01:50:34,851 --> 01:50:37,252 know, I'm a big Ram man fan. 1968 01:50:38,252 --> 01:50:39,242 You can quote me on that. 1969 01:50:39,242 --> 01:50:40,673 You put that on the poster. 1970 01:50:40,673 --> 01:50:43,794 Yeah, Chris, he's a big Ram man fan. 1971 01:50:43,974 --> 01:50:44,814 So 1972 01:50:45,416 --> 01:50:55,592 Well you get mean this this chase is insane and it it it it again it's the it's it's a point of we get this point where like at some point he's he's he's dry he goes in and out 1973 01:50:55,592 --> 01:51:09,219 of the Sears and then he makes his escape like the the the minivan is drive being driven by by his brother and and Debbie and Courtney and Mike just picks up opens the sliding 1974 01:51:09,219 --> 01:51:14,178 door picks up Eric Mac and the wheelchair in one fell swoop 1975 01:51:14,178 --> 01:51:15,299 To make their escape. 1976 01:51:15,299 --> 01:51:20,763 And it's like this is the kids on Bike's trope at its absurd peak. 1977 01:51:20,763 --> 01:51:22,344 It's an impressive feat. 1978 01:51:22,344 --> 01:51:23,415 It really is. 1979 01:51:23,415 --> 01:51:26,927 He's got upper body strength that I I wouldn't have been able to do that. 1980 01:51:26,927 --> 01:51:28,108 Yeah, wheelchairs are heavy. 1981 01:51:28,108 --> 01:51:29,108 Yeah. 1982 01:51:29,209 --> 01:51:33,151 And like b I mean, back in our first episode, I mentioned that like E. 1983 01:51:33,151 --> 01:51:36,286 T was the Urtext of the Amlin film. 1984 01:51:36,286 --> 01:51:37,196 Mm-hmm. 1985 01:51:37,430 --> 01:51:41,542 And that movie kind of set the tone for what an Amblin style movie would be. 1986 01:51:41,542 --> 01:51:50,797 And I feel like Mac and me, perhaps uh unintentionally, it feels like it is to Amblin films what Blazing Saddles was to the American Western. 1987 01:51:51,438 --> 01:51:53,979 Like, where

do you go after that? 1988 01:51:53,979 --> 01:51:57,321 You've kind of reached that point of maximum absurdity. 1989 01:51:57,321 --> 01:52:00,323 But it's not but it's not self-conscious enough. 1990 01:52:00,323 --> 01:52:02,674 No, that's the irony, is it's not trying. 1991 01:52:02,674 --> 01:52:04,825 It just kind of like does it. 1992 01:52:04,925 --> 01:52:06,796 It's like, well, you've 1993 01:52:06,796 --> 01:52:10,209 Well, you kinda now we gotta move on to something else because you can't do that. 1994 01:52:10,209 --> 01:52:13,572 There's there's no purity of intention. 1995 01:52:13,572 --> 01:52:14,313 Absolutely. 1996 01:52:14,313 --> 01:52:15,063 With this movie. 1997 01:52:15,063 --> 01:52:15,873 No. 1998 01:52:15,934 --> 01:52:22,300 It's uh it's a it's a completely hollow, uh, soulless enterprise. 1999 01:52:22,300 --> 01:52:28,384 It's like it's not even like it's not even one of those movies that you can, I think, uh, feel better than. 2000 01:52:29,125 --> 01:52:34,818 Like you like you know, like how some people like to watch like a bad like a quote bad movie just so they can like 2001 01:52:34,818 --> 01:52:37,009 you know, feel better about their own horrible lives. 2002 01:52:37,009 --> 01:52:37,278 Right. 2003 01:52:37,278 --> 01:52:38,511 It's like I can't even do that. 2004 01:52:38,511 --> 01:52:39,512 Like my life sucks. 2005 01:52:39,512 --> 01:52:42,138 But like I this this the movie gave me no joy. 2006 01:52:42,138 --> 01:52:44,746 Oh it just made it made everything worse. 2007 01:52:44,746 --> 01:52:46,307 Um no, I'm I'm joking. 2008 01:52:46,307 --> 01:52:48,269 But like yeah, like i it's true. 2009 01:52:48,269 --> 01:52:52,778 Like th this this movie has no redeeming value. 2010 01:52:52,778 --> 01:52:59,298 E Edgar Wright has an expression uh about uh he w he watches 2011 01:52:59,990 --> 01:53:05,315 you know, low budget movies and bad movies uh be as as if he's searching for truffles. 2012 01:53:05,315 --> 01:53:05,836 Right. 2013 01:53:05,836 --> 01:53:06,566 In the woods. 2014 01:53:06,566 --> 01:53:17,957 You know, it's like this he's always looking for like the one moment in the movie that sort of rises above, you know, the the movie and and d there is no moment like Vinegar 2015 01:53:17,957 --> 01:53:21,650 Syndrome has built their business on searching for truffles. 2016 01:53:21,650 --> 01:53:22,291 Yeah. 2017 01:53:22,291 --> 01:53:26,274 Yeah, there's a there's a movie that Vinegar Syndrome did called The Severed Arm. 2018 01:53:26,324 --> 01:53:30,355 And like I I I I haven't watched it, but I do have it. 2019 01:53:30,355 --> 01:53:31,015 Okay, yeah. 2020 01:53:31,015 --> 01:53:34,476 It's a it's like the opening of that movie is amazing. 2021 01:53:34,476 --> 01:53:37,457 And it's like I I bet the opening of that movie was the first day of shooting. 2022 01:53:37,457 --> 01:53:37,777 Right. 2023 01:53:37,777 --> 01:53:40,218 Because the rest of the movie is talk shit. 2024 01:53:40,978 --> 01:53:42,638 Like it's just so boring. 2025 01:53:42,638 --> 01:53:48,040 But like yeah, great great opening five minutes, the r the rest of it's unwatchable. 2026 01:53:48,040 --> 01:53:55,082 I will mention another movie that that vinegar syndrome has put out, Mac and Me in 4K. 2027 01:53:55,082 --> 01:53:55,954 Did they? 2028 01:53:55,954 --> 01:53:56,705 necessary. 2029 01:53:56,705 --> 01:54:01,048 Yeah it's got like it's got like the big box and everything. 2030 01:54:01,048 --> 01:54:02,500 It's all fancy. 2031 01:54:02,500 --> 01:54:05,482 They they fancied the shit out of Mac and me. 2032 01:54:05,622 --> 01:54:07,994 Justin you you work in physical media? 2033 01:54:07,994 --> 01:54:08,785 A little bit. 2034 01:54:08,785 --> 01:54:09,646 Yeah. 2035 01:54:09,646 --> 01:54:14,650 Have we have we have we like reached the horizon of physical media? 2036 01:54:14,650 --> 01:54:18,213 Like is there uh is there like nowhere to go from here? 2037 01:54:18,213 --> 01:54:22,456 No, I think I think we're in the golden age of it. 2038 01:54:22,477 --> 01:54:24,558 Because there's more 2039 01:54:24,642 --> 01:54:25,773 There's a lot of success. 2040 01:54:25,773 --> 01:54:39,652 What's happening in physical media, I think, is in a way miming or at least parallel to what's happening in cinema, which is independence are rising and the studios are buckling. 2041 01:54:39,733 --> 01:54:41,274 And that's for a lot of reasons. 2042 01:54:41,274 --> 01:54:42,975 This is what happened in the seventies. 2043 01:54:42,975 --> 01:54:43,375 Yeah. 2044 01:54:43,375 --> 01:54:53,706 In the six in the sixties, when Corman and these other renegades were out there hiring all the people the studios cast away and or ignored and created 2045 01:54:53,706 --> 01:54:55,887 Everything that we love now, right? 2046 01:54:55,887 --> 01:54:56,217 Yeah. 2047 01:54:56,217 --> 01:55:01,068 And I think that's happening with physical because the studios stopped caring about it a while ago. 2048 01:55:01,068 --> 01:55:11,851 And the and the independents like the vinegars and all of their sub labels and Teravision and all these others. 2049 01:55:11,851 --> 01:55:13,491 So many sublabels. 2050 01:55:14,212 --> 01:55:15,672 Stuff yeah. 2051 01:55:15,992 --> 01:55:21,274 I get what you're sp you're probably heading to in the direction of if they're licensing Mac and me, are we at the bottom of the barrel? 2052 01:55:21,274 --> 01:55:22,444 And I don't think that's the case. 2053 01:55:22,444 --> 01:55:23,330 I think that 2054 01:55:23,330 --> 01:55:27,681 Because everything is someone's something, is my it is my opinion of it. 2055 01:55:27,681 --> 01:55:28,732 That's true. 2056 01:55:28,732 --> 01:55:39,384 When I first entered the business, my first big gig and really my university of film world was when I was working for Trankis Films, which is parent company of the Halloween 2057 01:55:39,384 --> 01:55:41,215

franchise and all that. 2058 01:55:41,215 --> 01:55:44,786 And I met plenty of people who love Resurrection, for example. 2059 01:55:44,786 --> 01:55:46,977 That was their first toe in the water. 2060 01:55:46,977 --> 01:55:47,577 Really? 2061 01:55:47,577 --> 01:55:52,378 Now, a lot of Halloween fans might scoff at that, but how can 2062 01:55:52,546 --> 01:55:55,368 How can you besmirch someone's experience? 2063 01:55:55,468 --> 01:55:57,110 I literally just scoffed at that. 2064 01:55:57,110 --> 01:55:57,700 I know you did. 2065 01:55:57,700 --> 01:55:58,951 You're a dildo. 2066 01:55:59,306 --> 01:56:07,458 I am But for real though, I think that right now what we're seeing is a greater diversity to what's being released. 2067 01:56:07,458 --> 01:56:12,582 The I love that vinegar and then TerraVision by extension, they began. 2068 01:56:12,582 --> 01:56:16,366 They were sort of birthed in the incubator that is vinegar and went on their own. 2069 01:56:16,366 --> 01:56:22,290 That they give these beautiful um embossed slip cover releases. 2070 01:56:22,350 --> 01:56:29,875 with with genuine new masters being struck yeah on movies that a lot of any other label would probably ignore. 2071 01:56:29,875 --> 01:56:31,516 And I think that that's a really wonderful thing. 2072 01:56:31,516 --> 01:56:31,756 Yeah. 2073 01:56:31,756 --> 01:56:35,009 Because every everything is someone's something, like I said. 2074 01:56:35,009 --> 01:56:35,679 Mm-hmm. 2075 01:56:35,679 --> 01:56:36,360 Yeah. 2076 01:56:36,360 --> 01:56:38,701 It may not be your thing, but it's someone's something. 2077 01:56:38,701 --> 01:56:39,171 Yeah. 2078 01:56:39,171 --> 01:56:41,923 And it's look at look at vinyl. 2079 01:56:42,124 --> 01:56:47,207 Vinyl is the dominant music format now, outside of streaming, which is not dependable. 2080 01:56:47,207 --> 01:56:51,864 But vinyl is something that was just sitting in discount bins for many years when I was growing up. 2081 01:56:51,864 --> 01:56:53,916 We didn't care about it when I was a kid at least. 2082 01:56:53,916 --> 01:57:01,722 And now if you're watching Jimmy Kimmel and a musical act is about to perform, he's pulling the vinyl out, standing, you know, putting on his desk. 2083 01:57:01,722 --> 01:57:07,086 This is physical media sales have been up tremendously, especially in the last year. 2084 01:57:07,307 --> 01:57:13,212 And I think it's a real reaction to streaming as well and the lack of reliability there. 2085 01:57:13,212 --> 01:57:13,772 Yeah. 2086 01:57:13,772 --> 01:57:20,972 The soullness of it, the just the it's it's I I have always been of the belief. 2087 01:57:20,972 --> 01:57:23,504 That physical media is film preservation. 2088 01:57:23,504 --> 01:57:25,426 And that's on a lot of fronts. 2089 01:57:25,426 --> 01:57:26,387 And sure. 2090 01:57:26,387 --> 01:57:35,375 I make my living doing special features for Paramount, Shout Factory, Umbrella, Arrow, um you name it. 2091

01:57:35,375 --> 01:57:39,238 And I have seen things disappear. 2092 01:57:39,238 --> 01:57:41,520 I have seen things that I made disappear. 2093 01:57:41,520 --> 01:57:41,981 Sure. 2094 01:57:41,981 --> 01:57:47,285 So it isn't just the movies that we're getting, it's this version of the movie, let's say. 2095 01:57:47,285 --> 01:57:48,446 If someone 2096 01:57:48,446 --> 01:57:55,570 hates the new Star Wars that's been fucked with and is full of all of his Lucas's crazy animated characters. 2097 01:57:55,570 --> 01:57:58,352 Well, we need that original still. 2098 01:57:58,352 --> 01:58:01,043 And we do if you didn't hold on to that, you're stuck. 2099 01:58:01,043 --> 01:58:01,833 Yeah. 2100 01:58:01,833 --> 01:58:11,259 With a lot of these companies, the f special features which you're familiar with, Max, of course, those don't always port forward. 2101 01:58:11,259 --> 01:58:12,409 They don't always travel. 2102 01:58:12,409 --> 01:58:17,222 Contracts are usually, especially with independence and smaller labels, they're locked at that label. 2103 01:58:17,222 --> 01:58:17,910 So 2104 01:58:17,910 --> 01:58:28,297 You need to hold on to the last version of Rad from Vinegar, even though you're gonna buy the new one from Umbrella because it's fucking awesome and we killed it with it. 2105 01:58:28,297 --> 01:58:29,930 I bought the new one from Umbrella. 2106 01:58:29,930 --> 01:58:33,041 You're gonna hold on to that because it's it's not all the same stuff. 2107 01:58:33,041 --> 01:58:33,820 Right. 2108 01:58:33,820 --> 01:58:36,493 And so it's not all soulless double dips. 2109 01:58:36,493 --> 01:58:41,626 Remember Anchor Bay, speaking of the Halloween franchise, how many times have they released one, four, and five? 2110 01:58:41,626 --> 01:58:42,747 I mean, it's ridiculous. 2111 01:58:42,747 --> 01:58:45,149 Same thing with Evil Dead and on and on and on. 2112 01:58:45,149 --> 01:58:47,410 But there's justification, I think. 2113 01:58:47,532 --> 01:58:51,724 For holding on to every version of what you love. 2114 01:58:51,724 --> 01:58:54,213 And so this is a very long-winded way to say. 2115 01:58:54,213 --> 01:59:03,269 I think that right now it is such a tremendously exciting time in physical media because many things that we never thought would get released are. 2116 01:59:03,269 --> 01:59:13,372 And I want to say that a big benchmark movie for me that proved this point was Back to Vinegar Syndrome, when they released Blood Hook a few years ago. 2117 01:59:13,933 --> 01:59:15,514 Huge fan of Blood Hook. 2118 01:59:15,514 --> 01:59:16,834 Jim Mallon's. 2119 01:59:17,152 --> 01:59:20,705 Student film, essentially, shot in Wisconsin. 2120 01:59:20,705 --> 01:59:24,407 One of my favorite Z-grade movies of all time. 2121 01:59:24,427 --> 01:59:26,969 And it's one that my friend and I even joked about for years. 2122 01:59:26,969 --> 01:59:31,432 Yeah, well, we'll know that we're actually being paid attention to

when they release Blood Hook. 2123 01:59:31,432 --> 01:59:37,136 And then lo and behold, 20 years later, Vinegar announces this beautiful set. 2124 01:59:37,136 --> 01:59:38,427 Slip cover and everything. 2125 01:59:38,427 --> 01:59:45,061 So I am thrilled with the the current position physical media is in and 2126 01:59:45,686 --> 01:59:48,968 As a final point on this, my son is 15. 2127 01:59:49,969 --> 01:59:52,510 He and his friends are excited about physical. 2128 01:59:52,831 --> 01:59:54,502 The generation prior wasn't. 2129 01:59:54,502 --> 01:59:54,899 That's great. 2130 01:59:54,899 --> 01:59:57,074 They're excited about buying music. 2131 01:59:57,074 --> 02:00:00,997 And CD sales are up tremendously in addition to vinyl that I mentioned earlier. 2132 02:00:00,997 --> 02:00:03,898 And so the younger generation is starting to get it. 2133 02:00:04,139 --> 02:00:15,016 They realize the game that's being played with this streaming trash, edited versions of films, never gonna look and sound like it should, onward and onward. 2134 02:00:15,158 --> 02:00:17,300 not going to be there tomorrow for you. 2135 02:00:17,300 --> 02:00:19,421 And so I have a lot of hope for the future in it. 2136 02:00:19,421 --> 02:00:33,233 And I'm excited that we're in a moment where there's so many people like Justin at Vinegar or OCN who's willing to go out on a limb for movies that even though he may shrug at, he 2137 02:00:33,233 --> 02:00:34,774 knows somebody's going to love it. 2138 02:00:34,774 --> 02:00:35,865 And so I think Yeah. 2139 02:00:35,865 --> 02:00:36,576 Yeah. 2140 02:00:36,576 --> 02:00:39,606 So there's somebody out there who is thrilled 2141 02:00:39,606 --> 02:00:44,849 I don't know them, but there's somebody out there was thrilled that Vinegar syndrome did mac at me. 2142 02:00:44,849 --> 02:00:47,598 It's not us, but there's someone out there. 2143 02:00:47,598 --> 02:00:58,735 Yeah, I I I c I I can't scoff at it either 'cause like I, you know, I uh getting to work on vinegar's explorers. 2144 02:00:58,735 --> 02:00:59,105 Yeah. 2145 02:00:59,105 --> 02:01:02,097 Was like a that was like a dream oh yeah come true. 2146 02:01:02,097 --> 02:01:05,268 I did I did uh liner notes for the booklet. 2147 02:01:05,282 --> 02:01:07,574 that's fantastic another another great vinegar syndrome. 2148 02:01:07,574 --> 02:01:09,255 They they really did a packed release. 2149 02:01:09,255 --> 02:01:09,786 yeah, yeah. 2150 02:01:09,786 --> 02:01:11,447 It's a it's a it's an amazing set. 2151 02:01:11,447 --> 02:01:18,083 And yeah, and it is the only time that movie has actually gotten the treatment it deserves. 2152 02:01:18,083 --> 02:01:29,581 Well I I had even when I was uh just not to belabor the point here, guys, but to this to that same end, when I was hot and heavy with Paramount and we were in the thick of 2153 02:01:29,722 --> 02:01:34,926 everything that I was doing there, I I kept joking with them, but really gently prodding them to 2154 02:01:35,170 --> 02:01:41,074 Let's get bringing out the dead back out there, which is Martin Scorsese's kind of lost masterpiece, in my opinion. 2155 02:01:41,074 --> 02:01:42,085 I've always loved that movie. 2156 02:01:42,085 --> 02:01:43,976 And we're back to Nicholas Cage here too. 2157 02:01:43,976 --> 02:01:46,557 But also John Goodman and Sure. 2158 02:01:46,758 --> 02:01:49,470 You're preaching to the choir, because that's my favorite Scorsese movie. 2159 02:01:49,470 --> 02:01:50,135 For me too. 2160 02:01:50,135 --> 02:01:52,982 And that was and I thought you did an amazing job. 2161 02:01:52,982 --> 02:01:53,543 thank you. 2162 02:01:53,543 --> 02:01:53,913 Thank you. 2163 02:01:53,913 --> 02:02:04,404 Well, it was it was I complicated to make happen, but when we got it into motion, it was just the most thrilling thing because 2164 02:02:04,404 --> 02:02:11,078 Even the studio wasn't really seeing it until we released it and it sold out right away. 2165 02:02:11,078 --> 02:02:11,428 yeah. 2166 02:02:11,428 --> 02:02:12,139 I had to wait. 2167 02:02:12,139 --> 02:02:14,840 I couldn't buy like I had to wait for like the standard version. 2168 02:02:14,840 --> 02:02:17,652 Like the first version that came out, it was it was gone so fast. 2169 02:02:17,652 --> 02:02:22,345 Yeah, because it was part of the Paramount Presents line, which were limited to 2,000 copies each. 2170 02:02:22,345 --> 02:02:22,725 Yeah. 2171 02:02:22,725 --> 02:02:24,086 And then that sold out. 2172 02:02:24,086 --> 02:02:26,277 And then it took forever for it to enter general. 2173 02:02:26,277 --> 02:02:30,529 So if you buy the release that's out there now, the 4K, it's the same set. 2174 02:02:30,529 --> 02:02:31,958 It's all the same stuff. 2175 02:02:31,958 --> 02:02:32,888 Right, it's the same disc. 2176 02:02:32,888 --> 02:02:34,429 Now it is generally available. 2177 02:02:34,429 --> 02:02:39,800 But that's just an example that even something that's in house and in hand can be missed. 2178 02:02:39,800 --> 02:02:40,420 Yeah. 2179 02:02:40,420 --> 02:02:42,841 I didn't know that they were limited to two thousand. 2180 02:02:42,841 --> 02:02:43,641 Yeah. 2181 02:02:43,641 --> 02:02:46,702 my copy of Flashdance is going up in value, I'll tell you that. 2182 02:02:46,702 --> 02:02:47,622 Honestly, they might. 2183 02:02:47,622 --> 02:02:56,065 A lot of that Paramount Present stuff is is completely sold out and might not make it into general catalog, especially with the status of things now with the buyout and all the head 2184 02:02:56,065 --> 02:02:57,135 cutting that's been happening. 2185 02:02:57,135 --> 02:03:01,196 yeah, with the whole it's been pretty pretty sticky with them and I 2186 02:03:01,260 --> 02:03:02,950 I'm hoping for the best. 2187 02:03:02,950 --> 02:03:04,451 Hopeful always hope for the best. 2188 02:03:04,451 --> 02:03:05,351 Yeah. 2189 02:03:05,351 --> 02:03:06,461 Yeah.

2190 02:03:06,461 --> 02:03:16,494 I you'll be happy to know I did a I I did a move a few years ago and by necessity I had to sleeve most of my studio uh physical. 2191 02:03:16,494 --> 02:03:21,315 Um and I including all my Paramount stuff. 2192 02:03:21,315 --> 02:03:25,667 Um but bring out the dead was I was like, nope, keep in the box. 2193 02:03:25,667 --> 02:03:26,597 Nice. 2194 02:03:26,977 --> 02:03:30,438 Gotta keep this one intact. 2195 02:03:30,990 --> 02:03:31,631 Yeah. 2196 02:03:31,631 --> 02:03:34,261 And I and yeah, and I'll I it's not like I'm gonna sell it either. 2197 02:03:34,261 --> 02:03:37,236 It's just like, yeah, I I just I I just love that film. 2198 02:03:37,236 --> 02:03:39,477 I'm never selling flash dance. 2199 02:03:39,718 --> 02:03:40,858 Just to work. 2200 02:03:41,319 --> 02:03:43,461 But yeah, so yeah. 2201 02:03:43,461 --> 02:03:51,638 I mean, I think yeah, I think the whole thing I said about, you know, does this feel like, you know, we've hit rock bottom or whatever, you know, it's like I mean, I still work in 2202 02:03:51,638 --> 02:03:57,774 this field and uh I still love it when yeah, you know, we get to work on good titles. 2203 02:03:57,774 --> 02:03:58,486 So 2204 02:03:58,486 --> 02:04:10,131 Yeah, I mean I think but yeah, it's but sometimes you do it you do feel like uh it's a it's almost like be because the studios are so lackluster. 2205 02:04:10,131 --> 02:04:10,631 Yeah. 2206 02:04:10,631 --> 02:04:15,523 You know, like why don't we have like an awesome three disc set of Hudzucker proxy? 2207 02:04:15,523 --> 02:04:15,873 Yeah. 2208 02:04:15,873 --> 02:04:18,824 Or Joe versus the Volcano or something cool like that. 2209 02:04:18,824 --> 02:04:19,084 Right. 2210 02:04:19,084 --> 02:04:22,011 You know, and it's it's 'cause, you know, they don't care. 2211 02:04:22,011 --> 02:04:27,448 I mean at least, you know, at least Warner Archive puts out some of the I think I have the Warner Archive Joe versus the Volcano. 2212 02:04:27,448 --> 02:04:28,184 Yeah. 2213 02:04:28,184 --> 02:04:31,426 But let's get that deluxe, you know, Doc Savage, man of bronze. 2214 02:04:31,426 --> 02:04:34,804 I want Peggy Sue got married to finish the Nicholas Cage discussion. 2215 02:04:34,804 --> 02:04:35,244 Come on. 2216 02:04:35,244 --> 02:04:37,888 Peggy Sue isn't even on disc anywhere. 2217 02:04:37,888 --> 02:04:39,149 Peggy. 2218 02:04:40,772 --> 02:04:43,296 You know who else has hit rock bottom, by the way? 2219 02:04:43,296 --> 02:04:45,057 And that's Max Family. 2220 02:04:49,430 --> 02:04:52,112 Are we still are we still talking about this movie? 2221 02:04:52,112 --> 02:04:54,113 We're gonna wrap up Mac and me. 2222 02:04:54,113 --> 02:05:04,940 They they they have they have taken, you know, refuge in a mine shaft in the middle of the desert and and and you know the the kid Ma Brian whatever his name is, the kid the Mike 2223 02:05:04,940 --> 02:05:06,931 comes in and it looks like they're dead. 2224 02:05:06,931 --> 02:05:07,506 It does. 2225 02:05:07,506 --> 02:05:12,485 I mean I'm like, holy shit, that like this looks this looks this is harsh. 2226 02:05:12,605 --> 02:05:14,066 They look dead. 2227 02:05:14,366 --> 02:05:19,861 And but they're brought back to life because you know they have this elixir that can bring these creatures back to life. 2228 02:05:19,861 --> 02:05:20,612 What is it, guys? 2229 02:05:20,612 --> 02:05:21,392 Is it water? 2230 02:05:21,392 --> 02:05:22,253 No. 2231 02:05:22,253 --> 02:05:23,074 Is it love? 2232 02:05:23,074 --> 02:05:24,055 That's dumb. 2233 02:05:24,055 --> 02:05:25,796 It's Coca-Cola. 2234 02:05:26,117 --> 02:05:29,306 Revived by Coca-Cola, they all pile in the van. 2235 02:05:29,306 --> 02:05:30,411 I was in shock. 2236 02:05:30,411 --> 02:05:33,606 I don't dance, or don't just run past that movie. 2237 02:05:33,704 --> 02:05:35,225 This movie builds to this. 2238 02:05:35,225 --> 02:05:36,546 This is the E.T. 2239 02:05:36,546 --> 02:05:37,367 coming back. 2240 02:05:37,367 --> 02:05:39,248 This is the beginning of that. 2241 02:05:39,369 --> 02:05:40,830 It's they're all 2242 02:05:40,830 --> 02:05:48,195 It is genuinely he's n Chris is not exaggerating and he's not he this is really what happens that they don't want water. 2243 02:05:48,195 --> 02:05:49,396 They want Coca-Cola. 2244 02:05:49,396 --> 02:05:52,788 They just want Coke and instantaneously they wake up. 2245 02:05:52,788 --> 02:05:57,822 It's like it's like Arthur drinking from the grail. 2246 02:05:57,842 --> 02:05:59,663 It's that kind of revival. 2247 02:05:59,663 --> 02:06:01,755 It's it's Carmina Barana. 2248 02:06:01,755 --> 02:06:08,570 It's it's they are riding out and as they pass, the flowers begin to bloom. 2249 02:06:08,570 --> 02:06:09,526 Yeah. 2250 02:06:09,526 --> 02:06:12,287 It's that kind of Coke. 2251 02:06:12,288 --> 02:06:13,318 It's Coca Cola. 2252 02:06:13,318 --> 02:06:15,089 It's it's just for the taste of it. 2253 02:06:15,089 --> 02:06:17,050 It's that's the Diet Coke fee. 2254 02:06:17,050 --> 02:06:22,574 That's why we're not gonna get the Coke contract is because we keep c diet coke, which is what I drink anyway. 2255 02:06:22,574 --> 02:06:25,915 I tr I try to drink less of it than I used to. 2256 02:06:26,556 --> 02:06:27,817 You know, God knows. 2257 02:06:27,817 --> 02:06:29,458 God knows what that's doing to me. 2258 02:06:29,458 --> 02:06:30,958 My parents love the diet too. 2259 02:06:30,958 --> 02:06:32,229 I don't want the Coke Zero. 2260 02:06:32,229 --> 02:06:34,550 I don't want the Coke that I don't want it to taste like Cocca Cola. 2261 02:06:34,550 --> 02:06:36,361 I want it to taste like Diet Coke. 2262 02:06:36,361 --> 02:06:37,728 I'm a zero guy. 2263 02:06:37,728 --> 02:06:38,558 Maybe tab. 2264 02:06:38,558 --> 02:06:40,159 I should get some tab. 2265 02:06:40,298 --> 02:06:44,778 Maybe it's because I'm like a s

like you guys are firmly Gen X and I'm a cusper. 2266 02:06:44,778 --> 02:06:44,882 Yeah. 2267 02:06:44,882 --> 02:06:45,162 Yeah. 2268 02:06:45,162 --> 02:06:47,504 I don't know. 2269 02:06:47,504 --> 02:06:50,155 You know, that's uh just for the taste of it. 2270 02:06:50,155 --> 02:06:50,675 Diet. 2271 02:06:50,675 --> 02:06:53,947 I remember when that commercial came on for the first time because I'm an old man. 2272 02:06:53,947 --> 02:06:54,772 Jesus Christ. 2273 02:06:54,772 --> 02:07:00,591 I remember the version with Alfred from Batman that was on the beginning of my Batman tape. 2274 02:07:00,591 --> 02:07:03,612 Oh, I remember that very well, because I I bought that tape. 2275 02:07:03,612 --> 02:07:07,004 We are down to our last diet code. 2276 02:07:07,714 --> 02:07:11,097 And then it's got the Diet Coke can with a little Bat Batman cape. 2277 02:07:11,097 --> 02:07:14,970 I and again, more artistry in that commercial. 2278 02:07:14,970 --> 02:07:16,741 There is. 2279 02:07:16,741 --> 02:07:17,294 There's no question. 2280 02:07:17,294 --> 02:07:17,792 More heart. 2281 02:07:17,792 --> 02:07:19,123 There's no question. 2282 02:07:19,123 --> 02:07:20,144 Yeah. 2283 02:07:20,144 --> 02:07:21,005 Yeah. 2284 02:07:21,005 --> 02:07:33,724 You get this whole scene with the the aliens in this van, and it is it it is it it just drives home the point of how off putting these things are when you have them all together. 2285 02:07:33,976 --> 02:07:39,990 And of course, then they they stop at this gas station grocery store, and that's when, guys, things are gonna go sideways. 2286 02:07:39,990 --> 02:07:40,791 Yeah. 2287 02:07:40,791 --> 02:07:49,417 first there's the girl who sees the aliens in the van, and you know, that might have been okay if they hadn't reached out with the long, freakishly long extended arm to grab what? 2288 02:07:49,417 --> 02:07:52,179 A sprite, a Coca-Cola product. 2289 02:07:52,400 --> 02:07:55,561 But then the whole family walks into the supermarket. 2290 02:07:56,202 --> 02:07:59,355 And I gotta be honest, guys, that's not even my biggest problem here. 2291 02:07:59,355 --> 02:08:01,452 This alien family in this supermarket. 2292 02:08:01,452 --> 02:08:07,484 The big problem is that there's a human baby wearing nothing but a diaper in a supermarket. 2293 02:08:07,724 --> 02:08:09,844 Like what put some clothes on your child. 2294 02:08:09,844 --> 02:08:12,305 What are we doing? 2295 02:08:12,305 --> 02:08:12,825 Yeah. 2296 02:08:12,825 --> 02:08:14,456 It's it's real it's really disturbing. 2297 02:08:14,456 --> 02:08:15,076 It is! 2298 02:08:15,076 --> 02:08:17,046 Like it's just it's like, no, that's not. 2299 02:08:17,046 --> 02:08:19,597 You should have some clothes on your child out in public like that. 2300 02:08:19,597 --> 02:08:20,327 What's going on? 2301 02:08:20,327 --> 02:08:21,248 It's not your home. 2302 02:08:21,248 --> 02:08:22,345 It's it's a supermarket. 2303 02:08:22,345 --> 02:08:26,619 There's a there's a there's a there's a term that gets passed around a lot. 2304 02:08:26,619 --> 02:08:28,429 It's called movie magic. 2305 02:08:29,130 --> 02:08:29,990 And 2306 02:08:30,616 --> 02:08:32,387 There it there is none here. 2307 02:08:33,146 --> 02:08:39,642 Well you know who that what there is is there are there's our old friend George Buck Flower showing up as a security guard. 2308 02:08:39,642 --> 02:08:40,792 Nice. 2309 02:08:41,593 --> 02:08:42,494 With a gun. 2310 02:08:42,494 --> 02:08:43,905 I was so excited. 2311 02:08:43,905 --> 02:08:45,696 With a loaded gun. 2312 02:08:45,696 --> 02:08:46,357 Yes. 2313 02:08:46,357 --> 02:08:47,457 In a supermarket. 2314 02:08:47,457 --> 02:08:47,938 Yes. 2315 02:08:47,938 --> 02:08:48,498 Yeah. 2316 02:08:48,498 --> 02:08:51,580 This is security guard from a supermarket with a loaded gun. 2317 02:08:51,580 --> 02:08:58,564 Because it's George Buck Flower, I feel like he should have been credited as homeless security guard in the end credits. 2318 02:09:00,428 --> 02:09:04,219 Which is a c that comment is for maybe three people. 2319 02:09:04,219 --> 02:09:09,021 But as a George Buckflower diehard. 2320 02:09:09,021 --> 02:09:13,562 He does not hold on to that gun very quick because that alien takes it right out of his hand. 2321 02:09:13,562 --> 02:09:16,443 And uh and then the cubs show up very quick. 2322 02:09:16,443 --> 02:09:21,784 Like I d I don't know uh Justin, I presume you saw Andrew Divoff as one of the deputies. 2323 02:09:21,784 --> 02:09:22,825 Yep, he's in there. 2324 02:09:22,825 --> 02:09:24,465 The wishmaster himself. 2325 02:09:24,465 --> 02:09:28,044 Honestly, I wish like there's a there's a there's a sheriff. 2326 02:09:28,044 --> 02:09:30,318 And I wish the sheriff had been Dick Miller. 2327 02:09:30,318 --> 02:09:32,087 Like that would have been the icing on the cake. 2328 02:09:32,087 --> 02:09:32,992 Yeah, that would have been epic. 2329 02:09:32,992 --> 02:09:36,128 But would that have sullied Dick Miller's legacy? 2330 02:09:36,128 --> 02:09:37,248 No. 2331 02:09:37,690 --> 02:09:38,932 No. 2332 02:09:38,932 --> 02:09:39,393 No. 2333 02:09:39,393 --> 02:09:41,516 Nothing that's uh you can do anything. 2334 02:09:41,516 --> 02:09:42,838 You can do anything. 2335 02:09:44,730 --> 02:09:55,178 they they get into a standoff, like the the Mike gets locked up in a police car, it turns into a standoff, and and Eric tries to approach the aliens, they're trying to talk them 2336 02:09:55,178 --> 02:10:02,042 down, and then one of the deputies trips over his own car and his gun goes off. 2337 02:10:02,443 --> 02:10:03,914 And then every gun goes off. 2338 02:10:03,914 --> 02:10:04,364 Yeah. 2339 02:10:04,364 --> 02:10:08,247 You could cut this scene into natural born killers seamlessly. 2340 02:10:08,247 --> 02:10:09,548 It's insane. 2341 02:10:09,548 --> 02:10:12,330 The building explodes. 2342

02:10:12,330 --> 02:10:13,420 Mm-hmm. 2343 02:10:13,772 --> 02:10:15,083 What was in that building? 2344 02:10:15,083 --> 02:10:17,663 And originally kid the kid got shot too. 2345 02:10:17,663 --> 02:10:19,726 But they cut that the kid got shot. 2346 02:10:19,726 --> 02:10:20,997 See, now this is where it's interesting. 2347 02:10:20,997 --> 02:10:27,631 You see it like Eric is in front of the building and you see like the silhouette of Eric and he's sort of slumped over in his wheelchair. 2348 02:10:27,631 --> 02:10:34,036 Now in the original edit, we actually see Eric get full on shot in the chest by the cops. 2349 02:10:34,036 --> 02:10:34,796 Yeah. 2350 02:10:34,796 --> 02:10:36,177 I wish they would have left that. 2351 02:10:36,177 --> 02:10:38,299 It made would make more sense. 2352 02:10:38,299 --> 02:10:42,122 Like apparently it made it into the Japanese VHS. 2353 02:10:42,122 --> 02:10:43,554 You can find it on YouTube. 2354 02:10:43,554 --> 02:10:47,177 But but yeah, the Japanese VHS had that version. 2355 02:10:47,177 --> 02:10:47,717 Yeah. 2356 02:10:47,717 --> 02:10:52,152 Um, and then you know, Eric dies too, and I'm just like, this is taking a turn. 2357 02:10:52,152 --> 02:10:53,423 Yeah. 2358 02:10:53,423 --> 02:11:04,112 And did you notice with the explosion that the wide shot of the explosion, they animated him in his slumped over in his wheelchair in front of the flame? 2359 02:11:04,833 --> 02:11:09,237 They animated the silhouette of i in the it's amazing. 2360 02:11:09,237 --> 02:11:10,517 It's good stuff. 2361 02:11:11,360 --> 02:11:19,632 And then like the mom arrives by helicopter and and you know, like I mean, he's this kid's fucking dead. 2362 02:11:19,832 --> 02:11:20,372 Yeah. 2363 02:11:20,372 --> 02:11:22,053 Like shit. 2364 02:11:22,073 --> 02:11:32,176 And and then for the climactic moment, Mac and Me does not take a page from E.T., it takes a page from another film we discussed in this series, Starman. 2365 02:11:32,176 --> 02:11:33,036 Mm-hmm. 2366 02:11:33,036 --> 02:11:36,777 As the aliens emerge unscathed from the flames. 2367 02:11:36,777 --> 02:11:38,657 There's a little bit of magic touching. 2368 02:11:38,657 --> 02:11:41,238 Deep I gotta say, deeply disappointed. 2369 02:11:41,570 --> 02:11:46,655 the aliens didn't open the kid's chests and use a Coke can as like a heart valve. 2370 02:11:46,655 --> 02:11:49,677 I was surprised that they didn't give him Coke. 2371 02:11:49,718 --> 02:11:57,888 I was just like like they do this whole thing where like they levitate him off the ground, there's a little bit of light touching and like some some lights and all that sort of 2372 02:11:57,888 --> 02:12:02,060 stuff and he comes back to life, levitates, but I was really surprised he didn't get Coke. 2373 02:12:02,060 --> 02:12:06,926 Or at least like put like a couple of Skittles in his mouth or something. 2374 02:12:06,926 --> 02:12:09,748 Well wh while you're fixing that, can

you make him walk again? 2375 02:12:09,748 --> 02:12:12,851 Like let's do a full-on revival tent here. 2376 02:12:12,851 --> 02:12:13,842 It's a bridge too far. 2377 02:12:13,842 --> 02:12:15,773 It's a bridge too far, Max. 2378 02:12:15,773 --> 02:12:17,514 They don't have that kind of power. 2379 02:12:18,236 --> 02:12:18,756 You know what? 2380 02:12:18,756 --> 02:12:20,906 If he would have had Coke, he probably would. 2381 02:12:20,906 --> 02:12:21,768 That's it. 2382 02:12:21,768 --> 02:12:24,451 It's the it was it was a whole they you know what it is? 2383 02:12:24,451 --> 02:12:25,742 It all blew up. 2384 02:12:25,742 --> 02:12:26,622 Yeah. 2385 02:12:26,622 --> 02:12:29,805 That store blew up with all the coke and he doesn't get to walk again. 2386 02:12:29,805 --> 02:12:31,346 Tough Coca-Cola IV. 2387 02:12:31,346 --> 02:12:32,207 Let's do it. 2388 02:12:32,207 --> 02:12:33,288 Eric is Jesus. 2389 02:12:33,288 --> 02:12:33,688 Yeah. 2390 02:12:33,688 --> 02:12:34,969 He is risen. 2391 02:12:37,420 --> 02:12:44,195 And aga and again, like again, no no shade on this poor kid with Spina bifida. 2392 02:12:44,256 --> 02:12:45,967 I I think he does a fine job. 2393 02:12:45,967 --> 02:12:47,679 He this movie's got a lot of problems. 2394 02:12:47,679 --> 02:12:48,760 He's not one of 'em. 2395 02:12:48,760 --> 02:12:49,145 Yeah. 2396 02:12:49,145 --> 02:13:00,970 And it's like it's and this this is another thing too, is it's like and and this is this is where I'm like you can't do the whole so bad it's good thing with this movie. 2397 02:13:00,970 --> 02:13:06,274 Is because it is a i it's actually competently directed, it's competently shot. 2398 02:13:06,410 --> 02:13:14,415 It's like it's it's it's you can't go the incompetent route with trying to justify, you know, why this movie is bad. 2399 02:13:14,415 --> 02:13:17,798 Like I actually I interview it's not amateurish. 2400 02:13:17,798 --> 02:13:27,147 No, I interview the the DP of of this movie in my book, Nick McLean, because he's um I don't mind spoiling him. 2401 02:13:27,147 --> 02:13:30,307 Uh he's he's he's cause he's a great guy. 2402 02:13:30,327 --> 02:13:34,770 And he was the assistant camera. 2403 02:13:35,130 --> 02:13:39,814 uh to Vilmos Sigmund on Sugarland Express and Close Encounters. 2404 02:13:39,814 --> 02:13:41,175 That's why we talked to him. 2405 02:13:41,175 --> 02:13:43,186 You get you ask him a lot of McAmee questions. 2406 02:13:43,186 --> 02:13:47,800 What I asked him not a single dirt that we didn't what are you holding out on us? 2407 02:13:47,800 --> 02:13:49,582 I asked not a single Mac Amy question. 2408 02:13:49,582 --> 02:13:52,904 MacAMe is only mentioned twice in the book, I think, in passing. 2409 02:13:53,905 --> 02:13:58,909 yeah, it's a whole other book, 400 pages. 2410 02:13:58,909 --> 02:14:01,291 Volume two um Mac. 2411 02:14:01,291 --> 02:14:01,931 It's just yeah. 2412 02:14:01,931 --> 02:14:05,254 It's just gonna be a long suicide note written by 2413 02:14:05,798 --> 02:14:10,321 but This is my last wool in Testament. 2414 02:14:10,321 --> 02:14:18,442 Um no, it yeah, but no, Nick Nick McLean was really talented DP and I yeah, I don't think the movie is incompetently shot. 2415 02:14:18,442 --> 02:14:20,387 I think it's badly edited. 2416 02:14:20,387 --> 02:14:22,873 I think it's uh I think it's brilliantly edited. 2417 02:14:22,873 --> 02:14:25,800 It's again it's it's not the execution, it's the intent. 2418 02:14:25,800 --> 02:14:27,101 It's such an interesting thing. 2419 02:14:27,101 --> 02:14:29,162 It's not the execution, it's the intent. 2420 02:14:29,162 --> 02:14:29,833 Mm-hmm. 2421 02:14:29,833 --> 02:14:31,053 Put that on the poster. 2422 02:14:31,053 --> 02:14:31,933 Yeah. 2423 02:14:33,338 --> 02:14:38,472 we should wrap it up with the final scene because I I I couldn't have been more to quote Clark W. 2424 02:14:38,472 --> 02:14:44,827 Griswold, when we got to the final scene, I couldn't have been more surprised if I woke up with my head sewn to the carpet. 2425 02:14:44,908 --> 02:14:57,228 The there the it all of a sudden, like we go from a scene where this kid is killed, is shot down, gunned down by the police, to this kind of goofy comedy scene where all the 2426 02:14:57,228 --> 02:15:00,741 aliens are getting sworn in as American citizens. 2427 02:15:00,741 --> 02:15:01,581 Mm-hmm. 2428 02:15:01,942 --> 02:15:03,102 How would that? 2429 02:15:03,310 --> 02:15:03,930 How? 2430 02:15:03,930 --> 02:15:04,521 I don't know. 2431 02:15:04,521 --> 02:15:05,851 They they don't even speak. 2432 02:15:05,851 --> 02:15:06,101 No. 2433 02:15:06,101 --> 02:15:09,233 They just drink coke and whistle. 2434 02:15:09,233 --> 02:15:10,973 Did they have to take the exam? 2435 02:15:10,973 --> 02:15:12,974 I was wondering, did they have to take the exam? 2436 02:15:12,974 --> 02:15:14,035 That's what I'm saying. 2437 02:15:14,035 --> 02:15:15,615 Do they did they even know how to write? 2438 02:15:15,615 --> 02:15:19,516 And everyone else in the room, no one in the room bats an eye. 2439 02:15:19,516 --> 02:15:20,178 No. 2440 02:15:20,178 --> 02:15:22,088 Every it's like it's totally normal. 2441 02:15:22,088 --> 02:15:27,661 Yeah, you couldn't even get Mac in as like a dreamer or whatever that thing was. 2442 02:15:27,661 --> 02:15:28,621 No. 2443 02:15:29,422 --> 02:15:30,752 Certainly not now. 2444 02:15:30,766 --> 02:15:32,796 It's not not in this administration, Chiefs. 2445 02:15:32,796 --> 02:15:33,387 No. 2446 02:15:33,387 --> 02:15:34,167 No, no. 2447 02:15:34,167 --> 02:15:46,332 The but the the tonal whiplash here from the the climactic scene to here to that they're in the these these goofy looking things wearing suits and dresses. 2448 02:15:46,332 --> 02:15:51,715 The the Mac has got a little kid, McKids, he's got Mac kids on on his shirt. 2449 02:15:51,715 --> 02:15:52,295 Mm-hmm. 2450

02:15:52,295 --> 02:15:58,517 I guess the message is that aliens are just like us as long as they are, you know, heteronormative nuclear family units. 2451 02:15:58,517 --> 02:15:59,038 Yeah. 2452 02:15:59,038 --> 02:16:00,118 Don't stray from that. 2453 02:16:00,118 --> 02:16:01,118 And you'll be fine. 2454 02:16:01,118 --> 02:16:06,280 It's it's interesting too, because it's like again, you you you said it really well. 2455 02:16:06,500 --> 02:16:10,151 Chris, you call it like a funhouse mirror version of of E.T. 2456 02:16:10,151 --> 02:16:12,992 And yeah, you know, like one of the big cornerstones of E.T. 2457 02:16:12,992 --> 02:16:15,742 is it is an immigrant's assimilation journey. 2458 02:16:15,742 --> 02:16:16,702 Sure. 2459 02:16:17,663 --> 02:16:29,046 you know, and yeah, and someone in my book uh actually says at one point like there are three answer films to E.T. 2460 02:16:29,186 --> 02:16:30,577 like direct answer films. 2461 02:16:30,577 --> 02:16:33,728 One is Gremlins, which is the satirical answer. 2462 02:16:33,728 --> 02:16:34,488 Sure. 2463 02:16:34,488 --> 02:16:39,851 One is Mac and Me, which is like the Reese's piece's product placement as a whole movie. 2464 02:16:39,851 --> 02:16:40,411 Right. 2465 02:16:40,411 --> 02:16:41,451 Right. 2466 02:16:41,451 --> 02:16:43,312 And one is Brother from Another Planet. 2467 02:16:43,312 --> 02:16:44,573 Oh, sure. 2468 02:16:44,573 --> 02:16:45,023 Yeah. 2469 02:16:45,023 --> 02:16:47,594 Written by John Sayles, who wrote Night Skies. 2470 02:16:47,594 --> 02:16:49,215 Um yeah. 2471 02:16:49,215 --> 02:16:57,304 And it's yeah, they're all, you know, these, you know, uh reflections of of of this movie all couldn't be more different. 2472 02:16:57,304 --> 02:16:58,474 You know, couldn't you Yeah. 2473 02:16:58,474 --> 02:17:00,416 absolutely that's a that's a hell of a trio there. 2474 02:17:00,416 --> 02:17:02,957 That's a that's a triple feature. 2475 02:17:03,118 --> 02:17:06,400 Dear Lord, that'll I don't know what order you do them. 2476 02:17:06,400 --> 02:17:13,285 well you do uh you you do gremlins or uh brother from the planet first. 2477 02:17:13,285 --> 02:17:13,805 Yeah. 2478 02:17:13,805 --> 02:17:16,487 And then you do not watch Mac and me ever. 2479 02:17:16,487 --> 02:17:22,211 And if you have a copy you burn it and then you throw away the ashes. 2480 02:17:22,211 --> 02:17:27,030 Or find someone for whom it is their favorite movie and gift it to them. 2481 02:17:27,030 --> 02:17:32,350 Yeah, the t to me like the biggest insult is that uh little tag. 2482 02:17:32,350 --> 02:17:33,291 The little tag. 2483 02:17:33,291 --> 02:17:35,352 I was just gonna bring up the little tag. 2484 02:17:35,352 --> 02:17:50,476 The end they all drive off for some reason in a giant pink like Mary Kay Cadillac and Mac blows a bubble with his pink gum, which turns into the words We'll be back. 2485 02:17:50,476 --> 02:17:51,506 Exclamation point. 2486 02:17:51,506 --> 02:17:53,036 Holy shit. 2487 02:17:53,036 --> 02:17:57,307 Lest you think I have a heart made out of stone, dear listeners. 2488 02:17:58,835 --> 02:18:06,240 There is a Mac and Me sequel that I would watch. 2489 02:18:06,240 --> 02:18:07,120 Pray tell. 2490 02:18:07,120 --> 02:18:16,626 And that is if Mac got put in a Turkish prison and you called it Mac and Me Express. 2491 02:18:19,634 --> 02:18:20,994 I'll watch that. 2492 02:18:21,155 --> 02:18:22,435 Otherwise no. 2493 02:18:23,195 --> 02:18:26,446 We're gonna send you that vinegar syndrome, Mac and me. 2494 02:18:26,446 --> 02:18:28,037 Just just for you. 2495 02:18:28,037 --> 02:18:29,777 This is a thank you from us to you. 2496 02:18:29,777 --> 02:18:36,059 Uh and and it's become like you know, it's funny that I mean this was not a s th they did have sequel plans. 2497 02:18:36,059 --> 02:18:44,702 Those sequel plans were were scuppered by the fact that this tanked at the box office and then, you know, becomes this weird cult classic. 2498 02:18:44,811 --> 02:18:52,065 Which, you know, again, uh Con O'Brien, there was a Mystery Science Theater three thousand, which I will now watch now that we have completed our Mac and Me episode. 2499 02:18:52,065 --> 02:18:57,947 Mac and Me will not be one of the there there's like there are two movies that we've talked about twice on this show. 2500 02:18:57,947 --> 02:19:00,599 Um one of them is Dune. 2501 02:19:00,599 --> 02:19:01,819 Mm-hmm. 2502 02:19:01,819 --> 02:19:02,330 Thank you. 2503 02:19:02,330 --> 02:19:05,791 and and the other is Friday, the original Friday the thirteenth. 2504 02:19:06,031 --> 02:19:10,601 We talked about as part of the Halloween series and then inspired its own series. 2505 02:19:10,601 --> 02:19:11,814 uh 2506 02:19:11,903 --> 02:19:16,836 Mac and Me will not there there's not gonna be a get me another Mac and Me series, I'm afraid. 2507 02:19:17,356 --> 02:19:19,898 The best laid plans of Mac and Men. 2508 02:19:20,518 --> 02:19:21,179 Indeed. 2509 02:19:21,179 --> 02:19:23,060 Indeed that of Mac and Men. 2510 02:19:23,060 --> 02:19:31,915 I do think it is the perfect, like, as much as it's it's it is not a good movie, it is kind of the the perfect concluding movie for this series. 2511 02:19:31,915 --> 02:19:39,860 Like so many of the tropes and conventions that ET initiated reach this absurd. 2512 02:19:39,860 --> 02:19:41,120 Apex with Mac and Me. 2513 02:19:41,120 --> 02:19:42,490 I'm like, where do you go? 2514 02:19:42,490 --> 02:19:43,451 Like, where do you go? 2515 02:19:43,451 --> 02:19:45,452 I mean, I know there were more ET inspired movies. 2516 02:19:45,452 --> 02:19:53,074 There were some movies that we couldn't fit into this series, other movies into the nineties and the twenty first century, and we will at some point do some bonus episodes, 2517 02:19:53,074 --> 02:19:54,174 maybe a volume two. 2518 02:19:54,174 --> 02:20:02,096 But Mac and me just

feel like this is the bookend of well, now you've just taken this thing and gone insane with it. 2519 02:20:02,096 --> 02:20:02,787 Yeah, yeah. 2520 02:20:02,787 --> 02:20:04,917 I mean, obviously yeah, obviously there are other movies. 2521 02:20:04,917 --> 02:20:07,738 There's there's a lot of movies, um 2522 02:20:08,600 --> 02:20:13,233 For children that are that are very much E.T. 2523 02:20:13,294 --> 02:20:16,397 reflective, you know, obviously like Lilo and Stitch. 2524 02:20:16,397 --> 02:20:16,917 Sure. 2525 02:20:16,917 --> 02:20:19,119 Um the Iron Giant. 2526 02:20:19,119 --> 02:20:19,680 Yes. 2527 02:20:19,680 --> 02:20:25,345 Um but I th I think the inarguably I think it might even be better than E. 2528 02:20:25,345 --> 02:20:26,185 T. 2529 02:20:26,446 --> 02:20:30,409 Um I d I d I d don't mind saying that at all. 2530 02:20:30,409 --> 02:20:33,692 uh is uh Totoro. 2531 02:20:33,692 --> 02:20:34,251 Oh yeah. 2532 02:20:34,251 --> 02:20:36,014 Uh i I mean I I 2533 02:20:36,022 --> 02:20:37,783 I yes, it is a great movie. 2534 02:20:37,783 --> 02:20:39,255 I don't know if I could say it's better than E. 2535 02:20:39,255 --> 02:20:39,365 T. 2536 02:20:39,365 --> 02:20:41,186 I'm not sure I can go that far. 2537 02:20:41,186 --> 02:20:46,280 But it's to I see where it is, it's totally of that of that piece, for sure. 2538 02:20:46,280 --> 02:20:47,021 Yeah, yeah. 2539 02:20:47,021 --> 02:20:50,914 Especially when you you're looking at it from a parents perspective. 2540 02:20:50,914 --> 02:20:53,486 From a parents' perspective, Totoro and E. 2541 02:20:53,486 --> 02:20:53,717 T. 2542 02:20:53,717 --> 02:20:59,602 are both similar in the sense that like, you know, the the parents in those movies, you know, whether it's D. 2543 02:20:59,602 --> 02:21:01,073 Wallace in E. 2544 02:21:01,073 --> 02:21:01,393 T. 2545 02:21:01,393 --> 02:21:05,356 or the dad in uh Totoro, you know, they're both 2546 02:21:05,600 --> 02:21:06,451 in a lot of pain. 2547 02:21:06,451 --> 02:21:06,831 Yeah. 2548 02:21:06,831 --> 02:21:09,583 And they're they're both you know, just messes. 2549 02:21:09,583 --> 02:21:12,585 They're messes of of uh of people, you know. 2550 02:21:12,585 --> 02:21:26,025 And I and uh yeah, and I've I've actually, you know, I've had the ex i it's you know similar experience of uh you know uh having your your spouse have a a serious illness and 2551 02:21:26,025 --> 02:21:32,250 oh I guess it th that movie like s just speaks to me so hard and you can tell it came from a place 2552 02:21:32,456 --> 02:21:37,710 um from Miyazaki of, you know, of really experiencing that and really, you know, yeah. 2553 02:21:37,710 --> 02:21:52,200 And I think I think uh yeah that movie is uh beautiful, spiritual, you know, yeah, like and and you know, shows the you know, the the kind of the the great autonomy of children, 2554 02:21:52,200 --> 02:21:53,141 you know, yeah. 2555 02:21:53,141 --> 02:21:59,765 It's like it i everything, you know, Totoro is like the fun house mirror version of Mac and me. 2556 02:22:00,660 --> 02:22:02,451 You've now gone back around. 2557 02:22:02,451 --> 02:22:03,072 Yeah. 2558 02:22:03,072 --> 02:22:04,412 Yeah. 2559 02:22:04,693 --> 02:22:07,175 And they both came out around the same time, too. 2560 02:22:07,175 --> 02:22:10,727 Uh but it's uh yeah, I think yeah, I think yeah, if if yeah. 2561 02:22:10,727 --> 02:22:22,177 The good the good uh palette cleanser there would be Totoro, which is is also it's like uh the the way that just the way that movie is paced um is gr is great 'cause it you know, 2562 02:22:22,177 --> 02:22:26,238 it's just like it just calms my children down to watch it. 2563 02:22:26,238 --> 02:22:29,130 'Cause it you know, it's got such a like a peaceful 2564 02:22:29,526 --> 02:22:30,847 uh vibe to it. 2565 02:22:30,847 --> 02:22:34,029 Um, you know, which couldn't be more the opposite of Mac it. 2566 02:22:34,029 --> 02:22:38,332 I my Mac and me is is has moments that feel like an assault on the senses. 2567 02:22:38,332 --> 02:22:39,653 Like it's yeah. 2568 02:22:39,653 --> 02:22:46,318 It's like body that way, which was just I'm still I'm still shaking off body uh from last week. 2569 02:22:46,318 --> 02:22:47,058 My God. 2570 02:22:47,058 --> 02:22:53,653 Uh it's so I mean that I think that brings us to an end of of our our get me another ET series. 2571 02:22:53,653 --> 02:22:56,335 Like I said, it I I always end up saying this. 2572 02:22:56,335 --> 02:22:57,576 It's it's been a journey. 2573 02:22:57,576 --> 02:22:57,880 It 2574 02:22:57,880 --> 02:22:59,091 Really has. 2575 02:22:59,091 --> 02:23:15,050 Um, you know, I mean, Trumpy and Nuki and Fuzzbucket and Mac and his hideous family, I mean, they will they're gonna stay with me for a long time. 2576 02:23:15,050 --> 02:23:23,890 Uh it's so amazing to me that just all of just how grotesque most of the creatures in this series really were. 2577 02:23:23,890 --> 02:23:24,598 Yeah. 2578 02:23:24,598 --> 02:23:26,259 Like the alien creatures. 2579 02:23:26,259 --> 02:23:28,041 No, I I yeah I I I agree. 2580 02:23:28,041 --> 02:23:28,610 I agree. 2581 02:23:28,610 --> 02:23:42,192 I think I think uh the aliens in Mac and Me will stay with me for a long time in an Amy Irving and Carrie Kit So anyway, Max. 2582 02:23:42,192 --> 02:23:49,698 Yeah, thank you so much for joining us to close out our ET The Extraterrestrial series. 2583 02:23:49,698 --> 02:23:54,584 We could not be more excited for your new book, Stranded on Earth. 2584 02:23:54,584 --> 02:23:56,415 How Night Skies became E.T. 2585 02:23:56,415 --> 02:24:01,418 the extraterrestrial from 1984 publishing out October 6th. 2586 02:24:01,418 --> 02:24:02,819 October 27th. 2587 02:24:02,819 --> 02:24:03,499 October 27th. 2588 02:24:03,499 --> 02:24:03,799 Okay. 2589 02:24:03,799 --> 02:24:07,881 I I I I We fucked some stuff up, but it's still gonna be out

for Halloween. 2590 02:24:08,522 --> 02:24:09,052 There you go. 2591 02:24:09,052 --> 02:24:10,963 Octa October 27th. 2592 02:24:10,963 --> 02:24:13,795 And tell us where you can be found out there on social media. 2593 02:24:13,795 --> 02:24:16,406 Like I know that I know you're on Instagram. 2594 02:24:16,406 --> 02:24:22,936 Well, but first of all, you know, if you if you're listening to this and you wanna get shit on earth, like don't wait, pre-order. 2595 02:24:22,936 --> 02:24:25,086 Pre order helps authors. 2596 02:24:25,167 --> 02:24:25,987 Absolutely. 2597 02:24:25,987 --> 02:24:31,057 And yeah, and I can be found on Instagram. 2598 02:24:31,057 --> 02:24:34,249 That's where I do a lot of my sort of promo stuff. 2599 02:24:34,249 --> 02:24:37,630 Uh on Blue Sky is more of my brain drizzlins. 2600 02:24:37,630 --> 02:24:38,610 Sure. 2601 02:24:39,170 --> 02:24:46,973 and um and then I have a website, uh www.max e v r y dot com. 2602 02:24:46,973 --> 02:24:52,756 And yeah, that will be uh home to all the 2603 02:24:52,756 --> 02:24:55,508 Fun stranded on Earth happenings. 2604 02:24:55,508 --> 02:24:56,118 Can't wait. 2605 02:24:56,118 --> 02:24:57,259 I'm so excited. 2606 02:24:57,259 --> 02:25:01,322 That will hopefully be hopefully be be happening soon. 2607 02:25:01,322 --> 02:25:03,354 And uh good luck with the book, man. 2608 02:25:03,354 --> 02:25:04,014 Yeah. 2609 02:25:04,014 --> 02:25:08,237 And you know, I can't wait for people to read this one. 2610 02:25:08,237 --> 02:25:13,631 I think it's you know, I'm not just saying this, I think it's a better book than um the doom than the doom book. 2611 02:25:13,631 --> 02:25:13,811 Yeah. 2612 02:25:13,811 --> 02:25:20,520 That's a hell of a thing, because I thought I thought uh the that uh that Masterpiece in Disarray was a hell of a book. 2613 02:25:20,520 --> 02:25:21,100 my goodness. 2614 02:25:21,100 --> 02:25:21,641 Yeah. 2615 02:25:21,641 --> 02:25:27,483 Well it's it's you know what it's it's just, you know, it's funny 'cause but it's like, you know, and I'm not saying this as a humble brag. 2616 02:25:27,483 --> 02:25:28,923 I'm just saying this to make a point. 2617 02:25:28,923 --> 02:25:38,097 Like, you know, I I had s I had some really beautiful reviews from readers, you know, and I still get you know, great feedback on it. 2618 02:25:38,097 --> 02:25:46,501 You know, that was part of you know, uh that was us actually a stressor when I was writing the new book 'cause I I wanted it to at least, you know, be on par. 2619 02:25:46,501 --> 02:25:50,410 Um but you know, like there's like you know, there were some people who like 2620 02:25:50,410 --> 02:25:56,852 said things like, you know, this is the this is the best, you know, making of since the Jaws log. 2621 02:25:56,852 --> 02:25:59,152 And I'm like, thank you. 2622 02:25:59,152 --> 02:26:03,794 But that guy that guy wrote Jaws. 2623 02:26:05,274 --> 02:26:09,195 Like, I just like David Lynch's Dune too much. 2624 02:26:09,195 --> 02:26:13,616 Um first of all, you don't. 2625 02:26:13,616 --> 02:26:16,197 You don't like it too much because it's a great movie. 2626 02:26:16,197 --> 02:26:16,877 Yeah. 2627 02:26:16,877 --> 02:26:19,558 But uh no, but again I I think 2628 02:26:20,278 --> 02:26:29,841 You know, so much but so much of what we read now about m you know, older films is just kind of regurgitated, you know, or it's it you know, it's it's taken from older sources 2629 02:26:29,841 --> 02:26:41,054 and stuff and you know, I really, really worked hard to, you know, if I could talk to the real people, get it from the horse's mouth, you know, and and and and and really dig 2630 02:26:41,054 --> 02:26:49,146 through and, you know, find the you know, the real gold that um, you know, uh that you can't get, you know, 2631 02:26:49,272 --> 02:26:56,267 Th there's a reason you don't get books like this is because they're really hard to write and they're really hard to research, you know, and and Night Skies in and of itself, you 2632 02:26:56,267 --> 02:27:02,432 know, it's like with Dune, I had an IMDB page to go to if I want to know who made that. 2633 02:27:02,432 --> 02:27:05,834 Like I didn't even have that, you know, for Night Skies. 2634 02:27:05,834 --> 02:27:11,058 But it's you know, it it it it was an amazing project. 2635 02:27:11,118 --> 02:27:16,108 Night Skies and it absolutely deserves um 2636 02:27:16,108 --> 02:27:20,939 you know, to be to be uh given a you know the full treatment that it gets in this book. 2637 02:27:20,939 --> 02:27:29,282 And then E.T., you know, like E.T., you know, like you know, this is a movie that I is is weirdly underwritten about. 2638 02:27:29,282 --> 02:27:29,822 Yeah. 2639 02:27:29,822 --> 02:27:35,403 And uh, you know, when and when you read this book, you're gonna be like, wow, I didn't know any of this. 2640 02:27:35,464 --> 02:27:38,545 And uh yeah, and I th I think it's gonna be really fun. 2641 02:27:38,545 --> 02:27:43,736 So yeah, if you're if you're like my age and you're like a Spielberg fan or like if Spielberg's films 2642 02:27:43,736 --> 02:27:46,577 touched you in any way, you know, like throughout your life. 2643 02:27:46,577 --> 02:27:49,008 Like, yeah, definitely get this book. 2644 02:27:49,008 --> 02:27:50,509 Definitely get this book. 2645 02:27:50,509 --> 02:27:54,570 Uh it I am going to it I am very excited. 2646 02:27:54,570 --> 02:27:57,722 And yeah, thank you so much for joining us. 2647 02:27:57,722 --> 02:28:00,513 It's it's it's been it's been it's been fantastic. 2648 02:28:00,513 --> 02:28:06,735 It has been absolutely fantastic to to explore this this movie. 2649 02:28:06,735 --> 02:28:07,736 It's something else. 2650 02:28:07,736 --> 02:28:08,456 Oh boy. 2651 02:28:08,456 --> 02:28:10,017 We we took one for the team. 2652 02:28:10,017 --> 02:28:13,738 Yeah, you know, that's that's just that's that's the job. 2653 02:28:14,203 --> 02:28:27,550 And you know, hey, unlike the aliens from Mac and Me, Get Me Another will be back in September to kick off our next series, Get Me Another, A Nightmare in Elm Street. 2654 02:28:27,550 --> 02:28:37,716 We are going to be exploring all of those dream-centric horror films, wise cracking slashers that you remember from the 80s and 90s. 2655 02:28:37,896 --> 02:28:39,567 It's going to be fantastic. 2656 02:28:39,567 --> 02:28:41,868 So join us in September. 2657 02:28:42,060 --> 02:28:45,873 For Get Me Another, A Nightmare on Elm Street. 2658 02:28:45,873 --> 02:28:49,675 As always, we are your hosts, Chris Ianicone and Justin Beam. 2659 02:28:49,675 --> 02:28:59,002 If you've enjoyed our show, please consider subscribing and following us on Blue Sky, Instagram, Threads, and Twitter at Get Me Another Pod. 2660 02:28:59,002 --> 02:29:10,299 Justin's new album, Phantom Light Keeper, Four Days at the Precipice, is now available at JustinBeam.com, Bandcamp, or Spotify. 2661 02:29:10,299 --> 02:29:11,820 It is now available. 2662 02:29:12,126 --> 02:29:12,846 Out. 2663 02:29:12,846 --> 02:29:18,929 We've been at the end of every episode, I've been like, it's coming, it's coming, it is here. 2664 02:29:19,019 --> 02:29:20,169 congrats, Justin. 2665 02:29:20,169 --> 02:29:22,060 Just like off a cliff in a wheelchair. 2666 02:29:22,060 --> 02:29:23,911 Boom. 2667 02:29:27,492 --> 02:29:31,574 And if you've liked the show, please tell your friends about it. 2668 02:29:31,634 --> 02:29:33,575 Tell your enemies about it. 2669 02:29:33,575 --> 02:29:38,176 Tell those bored ballerinas down at your local McDonald's about it. 2670 02:29:38,537 --> 02:29:41,654 And of course, join us next time. 2671 02:29:41,654 --> 02:29:48,932 As we continue to explore what happens when Hollywood says, Get me a note.