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I'm Warren Wetlock here with
another Distributed Conversations.
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Today's guest is George Kushner.
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He's a person I've just met and
in love with what he's doing.
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He's on a mission to allow
the masses to use crypto.
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We all know it's coming.
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We know that we're all gonna
be carrying the crypto wallet,
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in the five, 10 year range.
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Undoubtedly that's gonna happen.
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It's being adopted like smartphones, like
the internet, like other technologies,
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digital money that's encrypted and.
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perfect sense.
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Even governments are trying to
figure out how they can do it?
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So it's coming, but we're here today
to talk to George about what that.
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so and how are you gonna accelerate it?
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Let's start there.
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I think it all begins
really with education.
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I I speak to a lot of people all
over the world And I think when I
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say, this comment, I'm about to say?
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it's either a punch to the gut or cold
water to the face and it shakes them up.
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And crypto right now is a very small,
what I would consider cottage industry.
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And pretty much no one
in the world owns crypto.
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And I know people listening
say, What did that guy just say?
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Let me quantify that.
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Right now you have about 8 billion
people in the world and around 300
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million plus or minus have exposure.
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Cryptos, that's less than 4%.
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All of the research indicates there's one
main pain point preventing this mass and
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broad adoption and it's just, its sheer
complexity where we come in and my firm is
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to say, Hey, look, stuff is complicated.
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We know it's difficult and that's
why we're here for you 24 7, 365
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for live support, help, education
assistance, general crypto know-how.
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Warren, I spent almost 30
years on Wall Street and when I
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first got into crypto, I
had no idea what I was.
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And at one point in if I couldn't
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You're one of those guys who could explain
what a CDO is and please don't yeah.
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Fair enough.
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And imagine what trouble that.
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got in and no one can figure it out.
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Crypto's been somewhat like that.
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I know in my own experience, I've
had times when I held some crypto
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and couldn't find it and had
been in obscure wallet I spent.
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Looking for what I'd done wrong
about the password and stuff They
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ended up having three accounts for
the same wallet that only worked
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for this one particular crypto.
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substantial amount of it, so it was worth
doing, but I'm just lazy enough about
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paperwork that I kept putting it off.
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And finally I found that we had
a paperwork that where I just
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basically put stuff that, it
stays there for about a year.
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I put a lid on and it goes
out in the garage for a while.
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This one, we had a cat visiting the house.
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and , got taken out when it was
about third full and it had been
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out garage so that we didn't have
to smell it, and I had to go out,
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retrieve that and dig through that.
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It ended up, I answer someplace else,
but it was also on that paperwork.
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and that thrown out except for a
that we had to keep and again, sealed
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in a box and hopefully I don't
have to go back in that box again.
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Yeah, and it, that was
the minor part of it.
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That was still mostly me, but the
fact that I can't just go in and
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know that it's there scares me.
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A Coinbase just announced something.
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Today or recently for Lords
listening to the podcast about
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wanting to make things easier.
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And if I read the news they're gonna
reveal politicians bid business
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people hold in crypto inside Coinbase
That just scares the heck out of me.
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I aren't those accounts private?
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And knowing that those things can
change and knowing that Coinbase.
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has gone could still ultimately fail, I
want to have cold storage And I realize I
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put off cold storage now for five years.
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I have too much Coinbase.
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That's part of it and
it's part someplace else.
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But that's again, that's the mess.
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I can pull up a screen, it'll tell
me what my crypto's worth every day.
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And if there's a thing on tells me exactly
what I'm worth in crypto . I have it.
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but then could I actually get to all of.
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And that's my personal.
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Now you're, you of of
a way to get to this.
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I know your service is a main feature
of this, but how did you get to getting
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the right wallet and to the right
people and, why is it H two Crypto?
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So our all of our banking and
custodial duties are handled by
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United States Charter Trust Company.
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The nice thing about that is all of
our clients' deposits are covered by
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F D I C, just like any other bank,
up to the $250,000 maximum amount.
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And then on the back end, the wallets
are provided by a company called
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Fire Blocks, which is a Israeli firm.
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They're one of the 800 pound gorillas
in the space, if not the firm.
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And the interesting thing about our setup
is our clients' crypto is held until.
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Of either buying or selling or
need to move crypto around, then
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it's put back on in a hot wallet.
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So our setup is, I think,
pretty interesting.
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The space obviously is moving forward.
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There's a lot of evolutionary
processes going forward.
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Which is just extraordinary to say,
considering the industry's been around
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for 13 years, but yet we still really
are in these very early phases right now.
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And the preliminary information we've
gotten back from our clients, especially
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the new folks, that's who we're catering
to, the pure retail people that want to
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get into crypto, they're afraid of it.
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They don't really have that hand holding
else, and that's where we come in.
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But when we explain the Most people
have really liked that Everyone still
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has the option moving it into a, ledger
or whatever the device they wanted to
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use and ultimately have it their own.
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But we let the client ultimately
decide, how they want to house
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and protect their their crypto.
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Yeah.
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So a trader, since you are in
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exchange, a trader could go on And
trade between things And whatnot, but
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you're, you are geared for the, not
the traders, geared for the people
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that say it's time to get some crypto.
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So maybe I'm the a hundred
dollars a week into crypto.
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And I'm gonna have an out of every
paycheck or something like you can handle
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that because you start with being hooked
up to the F D I C insured bank trust.
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I sometimes get miss on some
of these legal differentiations
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between a trust and a bank a.
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Whatever.
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It's the, but it's in the banking
system where a lot of 'em have
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the problem we're really easy.
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You just need meta math,
which is a Google plugin.
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And then you need to go over And
you need to be on the right chain.
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And then you kind of, of, crypto.
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And then you need to have it
changed into another kind of crypto.
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And then you can buy our crypto.
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And I like why do I
need to take four steps?
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Have a way for me?
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Good old American green backs there.
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and of course there's a little
bit, there is a transaction
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fee when you do that, right?
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Your is there's a transaction.
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Yeah.
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but, if I'm in, if I'm in the kind
of, gonna dollar average and put The
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thousand dollars a month, a hundred
dollars a week, 10 cents a day, whatever
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10 cents a day may not quite work,
but, whatever I have said, Then lot of
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payments, The transaction cost on that
is cheap compared to putting it, into
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a 401K and all those kind of things.
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It's just,
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It is.
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And a couple things.
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One is we're absolutely out of the gate.
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Certainly geared and catering towards
retail clients all around the world.
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I think with that being said, the
interesting thing about our setup
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is we do have two UXs, if you will.
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So we do have a user experience
for the simpleton and which I
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actually love myself, where it's
literally a one click by or sell.
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We have about six predetermined boxes
from $50, I think up to a thousand.
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And then we have a customized box where
you can type in whatever number you want.
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So we can do that for both buy and sell.
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And then if you are a more souped up kind
of trader and technical analysis is your
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thing, we do have another option where
you have all the technical capabilities
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all of our major competitors have.
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So it is offered to both.
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But I would say right now we're
absolutely, certainly skew.
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More towards the retail investor
and you mentioned, Deferred
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Invest, you mentioned 401k.
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I personally feel that once the
United States governmental regulatory
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clarity starts coming into play,
I think that crypto investing in
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IRA accounts and 4 0 1 accounts
is going to be absolutely massive.
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And as a matter of fact, we
are working very diligently.
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up and running by the end of this year
to be the first cryptocurrency exchange
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that we know of, to be able to offer
our US clients a direct way to invest
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in their irate from the exchange.
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a part of the industry's issue, I
think, is the ecosystem is so cluttered.
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and to your point, just trying to make
a simple transaction of four steps.
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What about if I wanna defier
buy NFTs or buy, borrower lend
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or sake, or buy hard assets like
commercial real estate starts starting to
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tokenize.
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It's extraordinarily Over time, we
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wanna collapse the ecosystem
and offer everything blockchain,
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I've just read where one of the large.
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Fidelity type funds.
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I can't remember if one, but they were
going to be offering people a chance to
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put crypto in their 401K or, whatever.
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They've announcement recently and
like, Yeah, but I follow those things.
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I've never really been an
investor, I've or, an index and
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let somebody else figure it out.
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And and nothing wrong with that,
but you are leaning that direction.
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Those guys, there's no reason why you
shouldn't be one of them in the future
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because instead of trying to system
of the million other products, they.
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You're gonna we're start with the
foundation you have, And when those things
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come it'll be better, won't be great when
you can take a 401k and put it right into.
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Into crypto.
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And that's gotta come at some point.
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The more the SEC says they're wondering
about it or the admin, the administration.
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I not for the date on it, but
doesn't matter which president it is.
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always giving us mixed signals about
what they wanna and, inevitable.
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It's like the more they say
they're going to, I learned Oh,
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gosh, this was late seventies.
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I read that.
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Of the, one of the ways you can
tell when somebody's gonna devalue
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the currency is the head of the
country who says, We're looking good.
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We'll never devalue the currency.
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And then, one's coming,
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Exactly.
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That's a kiss to death right then and
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say they're lying.
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We'll just say that they're wrong.
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When you say
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Look, I think, United States government
has so many different competing
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factions from the regulatory environ.
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From, the scc and then you have
the cftc, then you have self
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regulatory organizations and
you have of different people.
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And then with banking involved, you
have the F I C, You have the Office
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of the control currency, the occ.
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So there are a lot of moving
parts and unfortunately no
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one I think which is really it
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snuck up on em.
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You They've hearing about this thing in
the background for years and all of It
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had this kind of industry,
but it's time for them to
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of when Detroit was telling us that the
Japanese car were small and not useful.
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There we
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a 67 Dotson as my first car.
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And it was an automatic, And I
gotta tell you, had not figured
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out automatic transmission.
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in 1967.
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the man, I felt like all I did was working
part-time in high school was to that car
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repaired in the automatic transmission.
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I on to drive two 80 Zs and loved,
Nissans, but boy, that's 67, Dawson
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I was
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Look
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when they said the
Japanese can't make a car.
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But
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and I think that's a.
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they now make a lot of American
cars right here in the us
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And that's a great analogy
for crypto right now.
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It's still very chunky, clunky, scary,
but over time these going to be worked
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out and over time when you have firms
like ours and platforms like ours,
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That are there, because here's the
thing everybody keeps talking about.
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What, happens when the next billion.
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comes and the next We're not.
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We're nowhere near the first billion.
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to 3.3 x multiple from where we are
right now just to get there, and we're
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never going to get understand it.
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I that And the beauty of this is
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because Bitcoin is unique in that?
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it's very hard as a hard currency,
you can't make more not to say that
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Bitcoin is gonna be preeminent forever.
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How can I predict that?
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No one can't, but it sure
appears like they right.
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And if you're smart enough to
get your Bitcoin and not from
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exchanges understanding wallets
or all the things you are talking
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and you hold it it's going up.
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So the prediction I heard
this is about a year ago.
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They were predicting the
that we've seen this year.
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And they were saying that, On
in the long term these guys that
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bought it at, 200 or $30 or the
first thou under a thousand range.
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All those guys from 10 years ago
saying that we've been watching
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The Economist showed us a chart
where when the amount of Bitcoin.
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Goes, 10 x the value And so that is,
that's been very helpful for a year where
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I've seen a lot of variance crypto is.
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It could go to zero.
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We could all lose all that's possible.
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probable I've now read about
in fact I recommend to everyone
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to read the Bitcoin standard.
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the book has the Bitcoin standard.
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And it talks about monetary systems.
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Going way back, you have to get almost
the second half of the book before you
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talk much about Bitcoin and you just go
This is the hardest of hard currencies.
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Gold has been monetized where the same
bar gold could be sold to held and
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derivatives or whatever to grow that.
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have something like that,
but Bitcoin, it can't away.
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It's there.
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Say they're not gonna inflate it.
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There's just no way to do.
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So I think that's start looking, and
I'm at the time, Bitcoin was in the 40
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to 50 range and I'm going like, Yep,
10 x, that's about what they're say,
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and then the, next cycle, is possible.
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They also were saying the cycle we
just had within closer to a hundred.
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But if I go back right to the where these
same experts were predicting before that.
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cycle, they were saying between 60 and.
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And sure enough, middle of that.
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I'm not smart enough to at that
price and then bought back at 15.
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The best I can do.
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Yeah, I don't worry that, I've 75% of my
net worthing but it's gone down that much.
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It, it's gonna go back up.
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And I'm I didn't buy this stuff to trade.
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And so for retail investors, that makes
perfect sense to be able to get into
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something simple and just leave it alone.
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That's
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buying Coca-Cola stock in the twenties.
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I think that's sound advice.
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Look, I think that just like in the
equity markets or any other trad I
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think that everything begins with someone
doing their research and due diligence.
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I think that you need to
look at some solid coins and.
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Again,
this is not investment advice,
if you, when you're dipping your toe
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in the proverbial crypto pool, I think
to your point, owning Bitcoin and E as
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starters, just to get your sea legs from
under you makes an awful lot of sense.
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There are currently 20,000
cryptocurrencies there today.
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If you ask me personally, how many
do I think survive, I would think
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90% actually fail at least 90%.
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I think it's gonna be very similar
to the.com bust of, 99, 2000, 2000.
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But just because 90% fail does not mean
it's an indictment on the entire industry.
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There are really some really
solid sound projects and teams and
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founders that are doing great things.
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And I think, again, it's going
to be, there are gonna be so many
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different things that are coming down
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the pike blockchain, so can
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even right now to be
happening and happening.
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And again, I just how are
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in this whole
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to invest.
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I need to, d I believe in.
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what you're doing I hold some
and what you're doing some
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equity in this, but yeah.
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That's why because this is
a company it doesn't take.
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The your token or Your company going up.
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to make the money.
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It should.
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But it's the, maybe I'm saying that wrong.
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It really is Your company will go up.
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It's not about everything going up.
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Bitcoin can crash.
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We can all buy it at $5 again, and,
the long run, crypto is going to win.
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And the companies that build a base
taking care of their customer, of
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having technology and of course have
customer service are gonna be around.
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And, yeah, I can't predict that
your company's gonna do well,
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But am telling about two Crypto.
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that's, why I had you on the show.
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So all, all disclosures doing this
if I But still, it you've gotta,
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But that's, I think it's math.
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I learned when I was working
and publishing for a while.
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There are plenty of books out where
the publisher just counts on most
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of them failing, which is sad cuz
most of the authors is their life's
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work they put into that book.
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But they'll take and if five of
them break even, one will make
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enough money to cover doing.
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And true people in entertainment.
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There are movies that bomb and there's
grossly inflated profits They a lot more.
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It's not that it's gross that they
make profit, dollar franchises
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that had trouble selling the first
script and those are possible.
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and where else could you be getting
kinda stuff except for investing in
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the infrastructure, It's gonna take
as we convert the world to, to all
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crypto and bypass a lot of the banking.
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And look, I, when I was working in
traditional finance or trad pie, as
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the cool kids are calling it these
days, there were a couple of words
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that were used that have bled over
into the web three blockchain space.
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And the first word is democratization.
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And on Wall Street for almost
three decades, there's very
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little democratization out there.
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it.
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is really about ultimately ripping
off your clients, whether it's
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a big institutional pension
fund or an individual investor.
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And that's the sad commentary of it.
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And when I came into the blockchain world,
but at this stage of my career, There's a
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big altruistic slant to what we're doing.
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Don't get me wrong, we're a for
profit company, but we do want to
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help people and we know that there
has been so many people that have been
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hurt and locked out of banking in the
financial system since the daunting
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of man, even in the United States.
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This is a global statistic,
but it includes United States,
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one in five, around the world.
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20% of the world is either un.
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Or underbanked, but almost everyone
has access or owns the mobile phone.
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And if you own that mobile phone,
you can now play because now
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open an account and hold
crypto.
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So When you think about
democratization, that really does
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start to level the playing field.
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and then we start talking about
building community And about.
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When you and I grew up born, our community
was our little en plate, maybe a mile
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or two from our, from where we lived.
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And that was.
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But today with what all the technol
technology we have communities
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built up all over the world because
really C communities, nothing more
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than a commonality, a like interest.
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And that's what we're trying to do.
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We're trying to say, Hey, this stuff is
difficult, this stuff is complicated, but
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understand the power of this technology.
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Now it's going up, change the world.
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And even though someone might have built
the greatest widget in the entire world,
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if no one knows how to use it it's just
gonna sit there and nothing's gonna
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happen.
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So I'm not pick.
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I found that something.
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you can look at, almost everything
I come across, is it moving for
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centralization or decentralization?
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I don't get involved with
politics because be centralized.
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They've got the idea that
government can fix something.
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I just watched, it was an old report
my wife had on YouTube an hour ago.
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Know something about And my opinion of
FEMA is they give too much money one time
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and not enough money for the next crisis.
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And they're always trying to the
reason I bring it up is people were
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saying, This is what's wrong And
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I
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think
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who agree with says maybe private people
can take care of each other a little bit.
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Of course we want to care when there's a
hurricane or a flood or whatever, but is
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it the centralizing control, the answer?
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And I find that in everything.
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And in centralized federal
government and the bankers who.
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Maybe control the federal buddies
the federal government, however
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you want to put that they're all
for keeping this centralized cuz of
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the more money and power they have.
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And I just, it led me to the
idea that, Wall Street is
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corrupt in a not a legal way.
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They may be breaking what I'm here about.
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The corruption of Inter for
Society is that we take the
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best and the brightest qu.
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And have them apply their knowledge
to how we can get, say a transaction
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through in a, in faster so that trade,
we can buy it, buy something after we
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sell it, and have a locked in profit,
dark pools and all that kind of of stuff.
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And that go wait a minute.
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All of those people working
to do good in the world.
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Would be wonderful.
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They, what they do those
guys making a lot more money.
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and do we need 'em?
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Do we need to run every transaction?
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We no longer need to have.
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I call broker who writes Microsoft
on and waves it around to find
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somebody that wants or sell whatever.
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And those brokers are not needed.
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that margin is not needed
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right.
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More like a transaction.
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We need to something like the,
Actually the Wall Street Bet Guy
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is working on this, now, he's, it's
not Wall Street Bet's, the redhead.
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Their idea is Robin Hood
is a democratized enough.
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Because they still clear everything
through the big bangs and the hedge
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funds and things like that, which is
what people got mad at in the whole game.
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Stop.
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And they had to shut
down trading for a while.
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And when I talked to him, he says,
Yeah, the future is going to be
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that I want to sell Microsoft.
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I sell it to you in some
intermediary area that records this
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or whatever is gonna get there.
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Maybe a half a point could
even on the transaction.
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So I can sell stock to my.
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Without somebody getting involved.
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and of Tim Grayer said
this a few years ago.
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He
was speaking at an event I was at
oh gosh, 2019 I think, he said that
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his tax return from his crypto trades
was a good size box of paperwork.
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him months to compile and put together
all the profits and losses and
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all that from the trading he did.
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a professional which, comes under
a little bit different rules.
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These were, capital gains and holding
for a wallet, just as an investor.
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And what a.
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And he proposed, he was actually
on stage with somebody, was
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total for total anarchy.
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And the great thing about crypto is
you'll nev, you never have to pay taxes.
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And he says, That's just wrong.
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we should taxes that we owe.
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And the way to get to that is to make
it like, Every transaction, a point
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goes to the government or whatever
the number is, and and then the taxes
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get collected and everybody prosper.
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I think they ought to collect a
They ought to decentralize more,
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let the states control things.
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But, and actually we find that the
most innovative government comes
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to the city and county level, state
and so yeah, get rid of most of that
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federal infrastructure, but I'm anar.
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Because when I became Libertarian I
learned that, Libertarians only want to
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get rid of 90% of the federal government.
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And I I looked at and I going,
Okay, I'm skeptical at that.
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But if we go for 90 and we only get 40,
wouldn't that be So got reduce, Make
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it Bypass Wall Street Bypass, about
what's gonna be in your school lunch.
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Whatever that is.
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I don't know that they do
that I shouldn't give 'em my
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ideas if they're not already.
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that the whole notion that you
were speaking about a few minutes
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ago, the peer-to-peer And getting
rid of the the middle man.
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That's certainly coming.
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And I think that all the
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things That you just soak about with
the record keeping and all of that,
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I again, the blockchain's just the
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Beautiful place.
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to record all these things.
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And I think all of these
securities are gonna be
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digitized And
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even recent unicorns, Uber.
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That was rid of the taxi
companies in the fleet and the
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maintenance all at one place.
468
00:23:48,025 --> 00:23:50,395
Put that out to the
driver to take care of.
469
00:23:50,670 --> 00:23:54,803
And there's people to complain about
the Uber situation, what, how they
470
00:23:54,803 --> 00:23:56,993
treat driver, but not the drivers.
471
00:23:57,088 --> 00:23:58,258
ask every single one.
472
00:23:58,558 --> 00:24:02,964
They driving for say they look forward
to being in their car 14 hours in a day
473
00:24:02,964 --> 00:24:08,959
sometimes, and you, But then They say I
don't have to, if they need kid sick they
474
00:24:09,109 --> 00:24:12,203
punch out of the app And go do, of their.
475
00:24:12,998 --> 00:24:15,727
They work more that or
the next morning whatever.
476
00:24:16,046 --> 00:24:19,736
Very few of them work a standard
every day, like it's a job.
477
00:24:20,156 --> 00:24:24,189
And the, all the ideas about unionizing,
everything is we need to centralize.
478
00:24:24,283 --> 00:24:24,403
No.
479
00:24:24,563 --> 00:24:25,973
It's pretty good the way it works.
480
00:24:26,183 --> 00:24:29,453
However, they do complain
about how much money Uber gets.
481
00:24:29,813 --> 00:24:33,623
And to think 10 years ago, we're
going, Thank goodness for Uber
482
00:24:33,803 --> 00:24:38,297
because it was going Democratize and
make the pricing better on and the
483
00:24:38,297 --> 00:24:40,907
availability so much better on taxis.
484
00:24:41,147 --> 00:24:44,717
Which could they, the taxis could
have put in a right hailing service.
485
00:24:45,137 --> 00:24:47,532
They had the fleets, they
had the ability to do it.
486
00:24:47,532 --> 00:24:51,132
They didn't, Someone came along
and innovated and now when I
487
00:24:51,132 --> 00:24:55,602
talked to 'em and I remind them
of, we've got blockchain now.
488
00:24:56,052 --> 00:25:00,432
There's no reason that, that trust,
that Uber brings of knowing that you're
489
00:25:00,432 --> 00:25:02,125
not gonna get murdered when you a.
490
00:25:03,050 --> 00:25:09,794
could be handled an agency that does
the equivalent KYC KYC for rider.
491
00:25:10,154 --> 00:25:15,068
And and then you could just pay and,
a transaction fee, something like a
492
00:25:15,068 --> 00:25:19,653
merchant fee, so a few percent could go
to whatever organization takes care of it.
493
00:25:19,713 --> 00:25:22,542
And again, we could be
paying the drivers more for.
494
00:25:23,097 --> 00:25:27,498
not anti Uber I'm a total Uber fan,
but I know it's not the ultimate.
495
00:25:27,503 --> 00:25:29,326
The ultimate is I need something.
496
00:25:29,326 --> 00:25:30,256
I push a button.
497
00:25:30,256 --> 00:25:30,316
I.
498
00:25:30,626 --> 00:25:31,186
can do that.
499
00:25:31,706 --> 00:25:34,289
I want not to just get Uber
that is gonna come pick me up.
500
00:25:34,289 --> 00:25:35,459
and take me to the airport.
501
00:25:35,759 --> 00:25:40,521
I want to push a button and the, I
bypass security at the airport because I.
502
00:25:40,911 --> 00:25:42,782
Done my proper KYC for that.
503
00:25:43,112 --> 00:25:45,718
I get onto the plane,
another Uber picks me up.
504
00:25:45,908 --> 00:25:50,026
They now have that when you land,
the Uber driver gets notified.
505
00:25:50,701 --> 00:25:54,833
I just had my pick me up last
week in la and he airport and
506
00:25:54,833 --> 00:25:56,156
he is an Uber driver part-time.
507
00:25:56,409 --> 00:26:00,572
And and then, when you get, when you
land and you're gonna send the text,
508
00:26:00,745 --> 00:26:03,085
and I get a text from him saying
509
00:26:03,112 --> 00:26:03,382
Look,
510
00:26:03,417 --> 00:26:05,037
you already the plane that landed.
511
00:26:06,022 --> 00:26:09,077
get getting back to simplicity,
that's what people prefer.
512
00:26:09,177 --> 00:26:12,128
And I think with Uber, their UI is simple.
513
00:26:12,128 --> 00:26:13,088
It's consistent.
514
00:26:13,088 --> 00:26:13,178
The
515
00:26:13,478 --> 00:26:16,568
UX is not so much consistent because
it depends on which driver you get.
516
00:26:16,568 --> 00:26:17,108
I've had some.
517
00:26:17,147 --> 00:26:20,412
a 75% of the way there that I can imagine.
518
00:26:20,682 --> 00:26:24,552
But ultimately, I imagine this
just happening for everybody in our
519
00:26:25,042 --> 00:26:29,815
lifetimes, to live another 40 years,
in our lifetimes, I don't see it, it
520
00:26:29,815 --> 00:26:31,825
happening that everything like this.
521
00:26:31,825 --> 00:26:32,575
has worked out.
522
00:26:32,575 --> 00:26:37,017
But I use dry cleaners, in dry cleaning,
You can, can get a special time.
523
00:26:37,017 --> 00:26:39,597
You can be told, Hey, you're not here.
524
00:26:39,657 --> 00:26:41,037
You said you needed this.
525
00:26:41,097 --> 00:26:41,937
It's important.
526
00:26:41,937 --> 00:26:43,091
You want to have it delivered.
527
00:26:43,091 --> 00:26:46,345
You wanna wait for it because,
I need my power suit to fly to
528
00:26:46,345 --> 00:26:47,875
the east coast on an overnight.
529
00:26:48,885 --> 00:26:51,520
and it's five o'clock and they
promised to have it ready and
530
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,331
it was ready but Warren forgot.
531
00:26:53,331 --> 00:26:58,251
I'm running late, getting ready for the
big presentation, and I want them to do
532
00:26:58,281 --> 00:27:00,111
bend over backwards to take care of me.
533
00:27:00,111 --> 00:27:01,011
and I'll pay 'em for it.
534
00:27:01,596 --> 00:27:03,446
to the right corner, I want none of that.
535
00:27:03,446 --> 00:27:06,035
I want to drop it off,
come back in a few weeks.
536
00:27:06,245 --> 00:27:08,496
They've up when I'm in
the neighborhood and it's.
537
00:27:09,481 --> 00:27:09,763
Funny.
538
00:27:09,763 --> 00:27:13,326
I've been using that I now think about
how many years since I got dry cleaning.
539
00:27:13,407 --> 00:27:13,647
, Thank
540
00:27:13,701 --> 00:27:14,631
Yeah, you can be both.
541
00:27:14,876 --> 00:27:15,276
yeah.
542
00:27:15,276 --> 00:27:18,749
We all dress more casual, work
at home and everything's yeah.
543
00:27:18,754 --> 00:27:22,402
Ultimately all those things are
could have multi notifications not.
544
00:27:23,775 --> 00:27:28,447
Contact me on WhatsApp,
Telegram Google Chat.
545
00:27:28,507 --> 00:27:29,467
I don't know why.
546
00:27:29,516 --> 00:27:32,069
Email, text and Facebook.
547
00:27:32,489 --> 00:27:36,659
One guy does all of those and
everything he needs is in a hurry.
548
00:27:36,989 --> 00:27:38,219
He is crypto logo.
549
00:27:38,609 --> 00:27:41,477
He is flying all over the
world, and when he needs.
550
00:27:41,875 --> 00:27:43,231
He wants something right away.
551
00:27:43,531 --> 00:27:44,581
He's also a friend.
552
00:27:44,791 --> 00:27:46,921
that's why he gets into
Facebook Messenger.
553
00:27:47,191 --> 00:27:52,133
I don't want use that with And and he
texts me And I get it and, oh, that's it.
554
00:27:52,133 --> 00:27:53,923
I was every time I woke up.
555
00:27:54,088 --> 00:27:54,388
check.
556
00:27:54,531 --> 00:27:57,141
Maybe he needs something cause
he's trying to get a new site.
557
00:27:58,671 --> 00:28:01,168
and I control his dns trust me with that.
558
00:28:01,438 --> 00:28:05,088
And yeah, here, redirect this
It The work takes five minutes.
559
00:28:05,448 --> 00:28:07,668
The keeping track of It
takes a lot of effort
560
00:28:08,459 --> 00:28:08,819
Yeah.
561
00:28:09,468 --> 00:28:11,208
And I get paid well for what I do.
562
00:28:11,208 --> 00:28:12,822
But yeah he did recently.
563
00:28:12,822 --> 00:28:13,652
it was 24 hours.
564
00:28:13,652 --> 00:28:13,982
later.
565
00:28:13,982 --> 00:28:16,502
I'm going like, I never used this channel.
566
00:28:16,502 --> 00:28:17,615
It just that somebody else.
567
00:28:18,290 --> 00:28:20,317
And then trying to get me
ahold of me in that channel.
568
00:28:20,317 --> 00:28:23,209
I wanted Oh gosh, I'd let it go 24 hours.
569
00:28:23,659 --> 00:28:27,686
He's not upset or anything, but, I like
to keep to the standard that if somebody
570
00:28:27,691 --> 00:28:29,096
asks for something, I get it done.
571
00:28:29,096 --> 00:28:34,314
And we, system, the AI that's gonna
take care of all that and know how to
572
00:28:34,314 --> 00:28:36,804
get me, I gotta watch that's connected.
573
00:28:37,104 --> 00:28:38,454
Why can't my watch beep?
574
00:28:38,484 --> 00:28:39,804
Only when it's important.
575
00:28:40,274 --> 00:28:41,204
All the tech is.
576
00:28:42,149 --> 00:28:45,989
But I've gotta set it up so that each
one of those nodes to ping my watch
577
00:28:46,349 --> 00:28:48,629
at the right time, keep some record.
578
00:28:48,629 --> 00:28:52,248
It's almost like I gotta write
software for it, but piece of cake.
579
00:28:52,668 --> 00:28:54,198
So I like what you're doing.
580
00:28:54,198 --> 00:28:58,428
We're solving everyday problems
for everyday people and something
581
00:28:58,428 --> 00:29:01,218
that just the scalability of
what you're doing is so great.
582
00:29:01,248 --> 00:29:05,081
It's not gonna go by a hundred
times cuz a hundred times is 300%.
583
00:29:05,591 --> 00:29:06,044
So pop.
584
00:29:06,514 --> 00:29:08,404
In volume of crypto.
585
00:29:08,584 --> 00:29:08,974
Yeah.
586
00:29:09,334 --> 00:29:15,681
Cause most of the 3% is still people I
think crasher down market, the players
587
00:29:16,011 --> 00:29:17,541
and some of 'em just don't come back.
588
00:29:17,541 --> 00:29:23,244
So actively using crypto and having
a significant amount of money in.
589
00:29:23,353 --> 00:29:27,883
Gotta be more like 1%, so that
can grow by a hundred . And
590
00:29:27,898 --> 00:29:29,068
then the volume, of course.
591
00:29:29,098 --> 00:29:30,118
So great.
592
00:29:30,148 --> 00:29:31,138
Where do we find you?
593
00:29:32,288 --> 00:29:37,283
H2crypto.io is the website, and
594
00:29:37,853 --> 00:29:43,921
that is we're also on Facebook, LinkedIn,
and Twitter and TikTok should be but we're
595
00:29:43,926 --> 00:29:45,961
on all the regular social media
596
00:29:46,206 --> 00:29:50,147
Yeah, we're gonna get on TikTok,
Crypto crypto your crypto, and.
597
00:29:50,357 --> 00:29:53,092
you've got h2o, clever thing in the logo,
598
00:29:53,718 --> 00:29:54,144
Very
599
00:29:54,144 --> 00:29:54,684
liquid.
600
00:29:54,779 --> 00:29:55,499
We'll, just, yes.
601
00:29:55,499 --> 00:29:59,403
It's very liquid And it flows
well, but, And that's good.
602
00:29:59,643 --> 00:30:01,849
and it's for being crypto related.
603
00:30:02,401 --> 00:30:02,821
great.
604
00:30:02,821 --> 00:30:06,094
So go to H two crypto.io
and find out about it.
605
00:30:06,180 --> 00:30:07,808
things there check 'em out.
606
00:30:08,146 --> 00:30:12,323
No one, I can't tell you what to invest
in but I can tell you that I invest.
607
00:30:12,328 --> 00:30:13,023
That's okay.
608
00:30:13,023 --> 00:30:15,690
And And what I heavily invested in is
609
00:30:15,690 --> 00:30:19,470
decentralization, and I think you
guys are moving us forward in a
610
00:30:19,470 --> 00:30:21,903
significant way when this takes off.
611
00:30:21,908 --> 00:30:25,792
So thank you for being on the show
and we'll catch you all next time.