Fuld transskription af Interview with Dr. Barry Taff - May 1, 2020

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WEBVTT 00:00:10.080 --> 00:00:19.039 We are not going to be watching the website. 00:00:31.519 --> 00:00:38.000 Hello everyone and welcome to Podcast TV of Cardcast TV. 00:00:38.240 --> 00:00:41.840 Yes, it has been a decade hard to believe, but it is true. 00:00:42.320 --> 00:00:44.880 And we are happy to be here. 00:00:44.960 --> 00:00:47.280 And I am joined as a cloud. 00:00:47.439 --> 00:00:52.079 I'm joined as always by my co-host and the producer itself with Robert's words. 00:00:55.280 --> 00:01:00.399 Whatever one is experiencing this colour to the question. 00:01:00.640 --> 00:01:09.040 Well, to be quite honest until very recently, I didn't know what day of the week it was, but I'm uh I'm re-entering the workforce in some ways. 00:01:09.120 --> 00:01:10.959 So I'm doing well this afternoon. 00:01:11.280 --> 00:01:11.519 Thank you. 00:01:12.239 --> 00:01:16.480 Well, I just had the marvelous news that my cleaning ladies are coming back online. 00:01:17.040 --> 00:01:20.879 And uh my cleaning lady has OCD, so I'm really happy. 00:01:22.719 --> 00:01:25.599 I'm not gonna fix our doing therapy on there at all. 00:01:26.159 --> 00:01:27.040 I like the test. 00:01:27.359 --> 00:01:28.560 I like the OCD test. 00:01:29.040 --> 00:01:37.680 Okay, anyway, we um we are so happy to be welcoming back to the program one of our uh very favorite guests of Dr. 00:01:37.840 --> 00:01:41.760 Ferry Taft, and we're gonna get into talking to him in just a bit. 00:01:41.840 --> 00:01:46.640 But uh Wes, uh wanted to give us a little bit of uh a little bit about very far listeners. 00:01:47.439 --> 00:01:48.319 I will do so. 00:01:48.480 --> 00:01:51.120 So you may not be able to see this as well. 00:01:51.280 --> 00:01:52.959 I'll just hold it up for a sec. 00:01:53.200 --> 00:01:54.000 But it's Dr. 00:01:54.159 --> 00:01:58.400 Taft's book called Aliens Above, Ghost Below. 00:01:58.560 --> 00:02:02.959 And I actually need to ask him at some point, hopefully in this interview, about this title. 00:02:03.280 --> 00:02:04.959 I have my ideas about it. 00:02:05.120 --> 00:02:07.920 Anyway, I'm gonna read directly from the back. 00:02:08.400 --> 00:02:08.719 Dr. 00:02:08.879 --> 00:02:29.199 Taft, who holds a doctorate in psychophysiology, I hope I said that right, with a minor in uh biomedical engineering, worked as a research associate at UCLA UCLA's former parapsychology laboratory from 1969 through 1978. 00:02:29.759 --> 00:02:37.280 During his 36-year career, um, which we we know from being booked as now a 40-plus year career, um, Dr. 00:02:37.439 --> 00:02:57.360 Chaff has investigated more than 4,000 cases of ghosts, haunting sculpture guys, and he has conducted extensive studies of telepathy and pre-cognition, which led to the development of the original protocols and methodologies for what was later coined remote viewing, a favorite thing of mine. 00:02:57.520 --> 00:03:19.919 He also was himself investigated as a psychic subject in 1969, the results of which entitled A Laboratory Investigation of Telepathy, the study of the psychic, were published in Behavioral Neuropsychiatry, volume six, numbers one to twelve, April, December 1974 to March 1975. 00:03:20.080 --> 00:03:22.639 And Leslie will fill in the rest of that intro. 00:03:23.120 --> 00:03:27.439 Well, boy, I think that should be a musical behavioral neuropsychiatry, the musical. 00:03:28.960 --> 00:03:30.479 But many of you will be familiar with Dr. 00:03:30.639 --> 00:03:46.639 Very Taft as the principal uh advisor consultant on the very, very uh disturbing and and quite uh boundary uh some of its time called the entity test, the wonderful actors by the first. 00:03:47.280 --> 00:03:50.960 And of course, that was based on a real life investigation that was carried out by Dr. 00:03:51.120 --> 00:03:52.879 Taft and his associates itself. 00:03:53.280 --> 00:03:58.000 With all that being said, um it is my pleasure to welcome back to the program Dr. 00:03:58.080 --> 00:03:58.800 Barry Taft. 00:03:59.039 --> 00:03:59.199 Dr. 00:03:59.360 --> 00:04:00.560 Taft, how are you? 00:04:01.520 --> 00:04:02.080 Oh fine. 00:04:02.400 --> 00:04:03.759 Thank you for having me back, Less. 00:04:03.919 --> 00:04:04.639 It's been a long time. 00:04:08.080 --> 00:04:14.080 I understand that you have even are you still in the Southwest um or have you gone back to the Southwest? 00:04:15.439 --> 00:04:16.639 No, I'm still in the Southwest. 00:04:17.120 --> 00:04:17.360 Okay. 00:04:17.839 --> 00:04:31.519 Well, uh we are very glad you could take the time now to join us and before we uh before we uh begin to make software chatting and we both started with things off with the ask you. 00:04:40.800 --> 00:04:58.079 Uh uh discovery of of all sorts of stand out to you in this time period the past five years of so because so much is going on, and a lot of things have to do with with uh quantum physics and things that you talked about years ago. 00:04:58.319 --> 00:05:01.839 So uh tell me tell me what's really speaking out to you, Dr. 00:05:02.079 --> 00:05:02.560 Taft. 00:05:03.680 --> 00:05:15.199 Well, at this point, after being in the field for half a century, um, some patterns have emerged, some facts through those patterns, which are quite extraordinary. 00:05:15.439 --> 00:05:28.560 And we know enough now where the the the work I'm working model for certain things like poltergeist activity is somewhat beginning to unravel itself, to be explained. 00:05:28.800 --> 00:05:34.480 And it it's a lot more complicated than we ever imagined, and yet at other levels it's much simpler. 00:05:34.879 --> 00:05:39.439 You know, the the the word poltergeist means noisy ghost, noisy spirit. 00:05:40.079 --> 00:05:43.920 The belief of our ancestors was that that's indeed what it was. 00:05:44.000 --> 00:05:48.560 Well, that was a great idea, but it didn't turn out to val prove to be prove provable. 00:05:48.800 --> 00:05:49.600 You could test it. 00:05:50.000 --> 00:05:58.160

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The evidence suggests that the phenomenon manifested in such cases is what we call recurrent spontaneous psychokinesis. 00:05:58.560 --> 00:06:01.600 But then again, that was as far as it went. 00:06:01.839 --> 00:06:04.879 And in science, there's two ways to do research. 00:06:05.120 --> 00:06:14.399 One is you conduct controlled studies in a uh you know laboratory setting and hope to call oh hope to prove out your hypothesis. 00:06:14.639 --> 00:06:22.160 Well, a lot of things that occur in parapsychology are not bro cannot be brought into a lab because it just it's the way the phenomenon works. 00:06:22.319 --> 00:06:28.560 You're dependent on hoping to experience it a sufficient number of times where patterns emerge. 00:06:28.639 --> 00:06:34.959 And if you look for longitudinal patterns, that those patterns give us a clue as to what's going on. 00:06:35.519 --> 00:06:42.399 And after fifty years, the patterns are so d discernible, they're so blatant, they're like hitting us over the head. 00:06:42.639 --> 00:06:43.839 And they're somewhat simple. 00:06:43.920 --> 00:06:45.439 Let me put up a metaphor. 00:06:45.680 --> 00:06:49.519 Um, you've got a DVD in your hand, you want to watch it. 00:06:49.680 --> 00:06:50.639 So what do you need? 00:06:50.800 --> 00:06:57.839 Well, you need a DVD player, you need a TV, they've got to be connected, they both have to be plugged in the wall. 00:06:58.079 --> 00:07:02.639 You then have to put the DVD in the player, and then you gotta use the remote to operate it. 00:07:02.959 --> 00:07:09.040 If any part of that ensemble is missing, you get n nothing shows up on the television. 00:07:09.360 --> 00:07:20.560 And the m the reason this model is relevant or significant is that when it comes to this phenomenon of poltergeist activity or hauntings for the most part, they may be the same, they may be different. 00:07:20.720 --> 00:07:22.000 The pattern is this. 00:07:22.319 --> 00:07:25.120 One is sort of location, location, location. 00:07:25.360 --> 00:07:42.319 It seems that these types of things happen in unique geomagnetic or electromagnetic environments in the sense that there's anomalous activity going on, and then then there are people within the environment that happen to have some neurochemical problems. 00:07:42.560 --> 00:07:50.879 The majority, if not all, the people that have recurring poltergeist activity around them, it's linked to them as opposed to a house of them. 00:07:51.199 --> 00:08:12.560 And they tend to be either seizure prone or epileptic, and it's very common that when they start taking medications to quell the seizures, the phenomena follows in suit, uh, which suggests that the same region of the brain that mediates um epilepsy, the seizure activity may be responsible for this phenomenon. 00:08:12.720 --> 00:08:14.000 So that's part of the equation. 00:08:14.160 --> 00:08:17.199 But then there's an there's one more important part. 00:08:17.519 --> 00:08:27.920 We discovered that apparently with all those things, the location and the energy, you need a person who is hypersensitive to these electromagnetic fields. 00:08:28.399 --> 00:08:31.759 And some very few people are, but when they are, it's blatant. 00:08:32.000 --> 00:08:49.039 And then the last part of the qu the equation is what we call inductive resonance coupling, which means that the person in that environment, their nervous system must link up with that environment that's external to their body, and when that happens, voila, things occur. 00:08:49.279 --> 00:08:49.600 Yeah. 00:08:49.840 --> 00:08:55.919 So if all those things are rel are occurring in the right way, things begin to happen. 00:08:56.159 --> 00:09:05.120 Disembodied voices, banging noises, objects being thrown around, aports, um the whole thing. 00:09:05.360 --> 00:09:13.759 And it's so consistent that it's somewhat boring because you know, we go out, we interview the people, and the interview is quite extensive. 00:09:13.840 --> 00:09:27.679 And if the people refer refuse to answer a lot of our questions about their history, their medical history, and what medications are on, and you know, which includes recreational drugs, if they won't answer that, I usually just walk away. 00:09:27.840 --> 00:09:28.000 Yeah. 00:09:28.240 --> 00:09:29.759 Because they think they're hiding something. 00:09:30.240 --> 00:09:36.720 And so it's a very invasive procedure, but without asking questions, you don't get any answers. 00:09:37.039 --> 00:09:39.200 So that's the tip of the iceberg. 00:09:39.440 --> 00:09:56.559 And what's amazing is that the energy, for example, you're you're in a room and a large object, let's say a sofa or a man weighing 200 pounds, it's picked up by nothing visible to the naked eye and thrown across the room. 00:09:56.720 --> 00:09:59.200 And this has happened in more than one of our cases. 00:09:59.840 --> 00:10:23.440 Well, here's the problem that if this is this is based on what we know about the energies in the universe, before this could happen, the energies we know of would produce such heat as a byproduct of this, you know, the second law of thermodynamics, that the person's clothes would burst into flame, everything else in the room would ignite, and you'd you and everything else would be immolated. 00:10:23.679 --> 00:10:24.960 That doesn't happen. 00:10:25.200 --> 00:10:25.759 Wow. 00:10:26.080 --> 00:10:33.600 Which means that we're looking at an endothermic process, which could be the only endothermic process of this nature that exists. 00:10:34.080 --> 00:10:46.559 And it see the it where the energy, like for example, if you're sitting still, that's one thing, when you move, your body uses more energy, produces more heat than when you're sitting still. 00:10:46.720 --> 00:10:53.600 If that energy was used to pick up a heavy object and throw it, you're using 20 times the energy you'd use to sit still. 00:10:54.320 --> 00:11:00.559 So imagine a force that's invisible to the

naked eye picking up and throwing massive objects around. 00:11:00.799 --> 00:11:09.360 And it it's we're looking at a force that if we come to understand it, it changed the course of a human existence. 00:11:09.759 --> 00:11:11.840 Because it does work without heat. 00:11:12.000 --> 00:11:14.000 That doesn't happen in the world we live in. 00:11:14.559 --> 00:11:20.639 So this could tell us a lot about the world we live in, but also change it in a very productive and positive way. 00:11:21.360 --> 00:11:22.240 So do you think, Dr. 00:11:22.399 --> 00:11:44.159 Taft, that this that this fascinating kind of alternative uh force could be could be managed, or do you think also that there are that there are individuals that can um can in fact uh control it psychically through through desire or magic or will? 00:11:45.279 --> 00:11:47.279 Well, first of all, let me explain something. 00:11:47.519 --> 00:11:49.679 There are two types of psychokinesis. 00:11:50.080 --> 00:12:01.039 There's macroscopic, which you call poltergeist activity, where sometimes heavy massive objects are moved around, and it's unc it's random, it's for spontaneous. 00:12:01.120 --> 00:12:04.559 The people aren't making it happen consciously, it just happens. 00:12:04.799 --> 00:12:16.080 Then you have the microscopic type, which is something that you actually try to make happen, affecting a random event generator, affecting a computer, the old schmitt boxes from decades ago that were developed. 00:12:16.559 --> 00:12:22.960 And that is somewhat controllable, but that may not be the same thing seen in the poltergeist cases. 00:12:23.279 --> 00:12:27.759 And again, the the more we learn about this, the stranger it gets. 00:12:27.919 --> 00:12:34.799 I mean I you know, when I first entered the field, I thought, well, this stuff will probably be proven with the it's not what the word implies. 00:12:34.879 --> 00:12:36.960 It's a it's a noisy spirit. 00:12:37.120 --> 00:12:41.919 But fortunately that didn't play out, you know, where the evidence doesn't support that conclusion. 00:12:42.240 --> 00:13:02.240 But again it it um again, if there is a ubiquitous form of energy that exists that we as human beings can access and put to work, albeit unconsciously, it it it sort of behooves us to find out what's going on, how it's going on and why. 00:13:02.480 --> 00:13:06.399 And I think that if this energy could take us to the stars, literally. 00:13:06.799 --> 00:13:16.399 This could be the answer that and everything we know that produces heat produces l produces energy, produces a great deal of heat. 00:13:16.559 --> 00:13:16.720 Yeah. 00:13:16.960 --> 00:13:20.960 Geothermal, hydroelectric, uh nuclear, it's all heat. 00:13:21.200 --> 00:13:25.200 Imagine generating power without heat. 00:13:27.279 --> 00:13:28.720 Do you think uh Dr. 00:13:28.960 --> 00:13:35.679 Taft that um as Leslie I think was hinting at, can people deliberately do this? 00:13:37.440 --> 00:13:52.559 Um the only thing that I've ever read about uh where it's been controlled, somewhat controlled, or as you uh it's it's it's chosen to act on, the um it it's very that's a minute, that's the m microscopic type. 00:13:52.799 --> 00:14:02.480 To my knowledge, there's never been a case where a person was able to basically develop the macroscopic type that make objects fly around. 00:14:02.639 --> 00:14:08.799 It could be that different parts of the brain are responsible and the mechanisms are somewhat different, which I think may be true. 00:14:09.039 --> 00:14:11.679 But see, here's the thing. 00:14:12.000 --> 00:14:15.919 We have tools and technology now that we haven't had before. 00:14:16.159 --> 00:14:35.919 I think if you had people who were having recurrent episodes of poltergeist activity, you put them and had some functional MRIs on them, some um uh PET scans and spec scans, um, you might discover something that's unique about their brain that isn't the same as the average person. 00:14:36.240 --> 00:14:40.879 And these people are f rare f far far and few between. 00:14:40.960 --> 00:14:43.679 It's not like everyone's walking around with the ability to do it. 00:14:43.840 --> 00:14:59.759 It's sort of like, okay, I've raced cars on tracks, road race cars, and y everyone can drive, but few people can race because the hand-eye foot coordination's not there, the stamina is not there, uh all that, the the the ability to f use your body in such a way. 00:14:59.919 --> 00:15:07.919 Or let's say you're you're a hockey player or you're a football player, not everyone could play games, but they couldn't be a professional athlete. 00:15:08.159 --> 00:15:15.519 It could be this is the same thing, but in another let me show it sorry, another thing at you that's similar but not identical. 00:15:15.759 --> 00:15:27.120 Uh like I said, the the in the research to me that was most significant when the lab was up and running at UCLA was the field work where you investigate the hauntings and poltergeists and things like that. 00:15:27.679 --> 00:15:38.000 But the th the the the more quiet phenomena we investigated, the what we call now remote viewing, I called the telepathy precognition lower voice. 00:15:38.399 --> 00:15:42.000 We had a a side development group at UCLA. 00:15:42.240 --> 00:15:55.679 We ran it for what, what, eleven years, something like that, and it worked really well to the point where w you could take most people and you could enhance some inheritability they had to the point where it was demonstrable. 00:15:55.919 --> 00:16:08.480 And it became so reliable and consistent that we ourselves were made, but it also told us something about the nature of this phenomena that really made us question the reality we live in. 00:16:08.799 --> 00:16:25.200 Um what it comes down to is this there's three or four different types of mental phenomena people have spoken of for more than a century, you know, actually since uh uh the the dawn of society for psychical

research in eighteen eighty-two in the UK. 00:16:25.440 --> 00:16:31.440 Um there's telepathy, which means mind-to-mind communication. 00:16:31.679 --> 00:16:45.279 There's clairvoyance, the ability to perceive events at a distance without another mind intervening, supposedly, and then you have precognition, the ability to see the future in it free of logic and inference and deduction. 00:16:45.840 --> 00:16:54.720 And i it's amazing that when we were writing this group, we assumed it was telepathy, but then we discovered that it's a far more than that. 00:16:54.879 --> 00:16:56.639 Let me give you some examples. 00:16:56.879 --> 00:17:05.680 Um there was um the best example that would be okay. 00:17:05.839 --> 00:17:16.400 But it was a a girl that came to to our group was t a wo a woman with another volunteer in the lab, and she uh she didn't know mu too much of what we were doing. 00:17:16.640 --> 00:17:19.519 She was around my age, kind of wild and crazy. 00:17:19.599 --> 00:17:23.119 This is the hippie era, this is the you know, the mid-70s. 00:17:23.359 --> 00:17:25.519 So we didn't know anything about her. 00:17:25.920 --> 00:17:28.160 And uh we told her what to do. 00:17:28.480 --> 00:17:33.920 Think of someone you know real, real well, and then we're gonna, you know, we're gonna rattle off verbal impressions. 00:17:34.000 --> 00:17:40.720 We we record, you then we take the tape, we play, you play it back, and you comment about what's accurate, what's not. 00:17:40.960 --> 00:17:44.400 You know, immediate feedback as to what was going on. 00:17:44.720 --> 00:17:54.079 So we start describing the man, the person, uh a big home with large glass walls, beautiful foliage around the house, just gorgeous. 00:17:54.319 --> 00:17:59.440 And then we see a giant kitchen lined with empty jars of bacon bits. 00:18:00.000 --> 00:18:00.400 What? 00:18:00.640 --> 00:18:10.160 And then we describe some other things and uh and then we saw uh him this man being very viciously beaten and mugged. 00:18:10.720 --> 00:18:20.000 So the session ends, the girl takes the recorder control the record audio audio recorder, and she now this is all done in a sensory-deprived environment. 00:18:20.160 --> 00:18:21.519 You can't see or hear anything. 00:18:21.839 --> 00:18:24.480 You're it's like you all you have is your own mind. 00:18:24.720 --> 00:18:33.279 So she plays the the recording back and uh she said, Yeah, we came up with a fin of strange phonetic version of his name. 00:18:33.440 --> 00:18:36.400 It was close to it, but not act a hundred percent accurate. 00:18:36.559 --> 00:18:39.599 The description of the house was very accurate. 00:18:39.839 --> 00:18:49.279 Um It was really amazing where um uh literally we got to the empty j uh the kitchen lined with empty jars of bacovits. 00:18:49.680 --> 00:18:50.160 Yep. 00:18:50.640 --> 00:18:52.319 That's what there was there. 00:18:52.880 --> 00:18:54.559 And okay, it could have been coincidence. 00:18:54.640 --> 00:18:58.640 The foliage, the large glass walls, yeah, it could have been coincidence. 00:18:58.799 --> 00:19:02.079 Then we get to the part of it being mugged, and she goes, He's never been mugged. 00:19:02.319 --> 00:19:04.079 She was dating this guy with it. 00:19:04.240 --> 00:19:05.200 She knows him pretty well. 00:19:05.359 --> 00:19:06.400 No, he's never been beaten up. 00:19:07.200 --> 00:19:07.839 Oh, okay. 00:19:08.079 --> 00:19:09.119 So the session ends. 00:19:09.359 --> 00:19:11.119 A couple days later, I'm in the lab. 00:19:11.200 --> 00:19:16.559 I'm in up in the lab, and this girl calls in and she says, Remember the session the other day? 00:19:16.720 --> 00:19:17.279 Yeah, yeah. 00:19:17.519 --> 00:19:18.720 Remember what you guys said? 00:19:18.880 --> 00:19:20.799 Yeah, pretty much, so to a point. 00:19:21.039 --> 00:19:32.960 Well, she said that the time, the night you were doing this, the night we were doing this, he was up in San Francisco and he was being viciously beaten and mugged at that time. 00:19:33.279 --> 00:19:35.039 Whoa, but I didn't know that. 00:19:35.279 --> 00:19:35.839 Oh my. 00:19:36.079 --> 00:19:39.839 So, you know, it's it's well, it's it's amazing. 00:19:39.920 --> 00:19:46.079 It's and she said, Well, that would imply that it's that there's it's just it's information that you can access. 00:19:46.400 --> 00:19:48.799 So, and this is where it gets really strange. 00:19:48.880 --> 00:19:53.839 And so that suggests more precognition, no, but clairvoyance. 00:19:54.240 --> 00:19:58.720 We were linking to him, he knew what was going on, we didn't know, and she didn't know. 00:19:59.039 --> 00:20:00.480 Let's go one step further. 00:20:00.640 --> 00:20:04.319 We got to the point where we were bored and tired with what we were doing. 00:20:04.559 --> 00:20:07.440 Uh, you know, we've been there, done that sort of thing. 00:20:07.680 --> 00:20:25.119 So we tried to do our first precognitive session, which was kind of unusual because we were it was the last session of that evening, and we said, try to describe the randomly chosen target of next week. 00:20:25.519 --> 00:20:26.640 And okay. 00:20:27.039 --> 00:20:37.279 So we start describing a tall man, dirt dark, medium brown, darker brown hair, blue eyes, very intense, volatile, um, the whole bit. 00:20:37.519 --> 00:20:50.000 And uh we come up with just some names and eventually we um we saw we saw him this man beating her, relentlessly beating her, and we saw him killing her. 00:20:50.400 --> 00:20:53.599 So the the lights come on, we she takes the control. 00:20:53.680 --> 00:20:57.279 Yeah, the description of him was accurate, and he had a very odd voice. 00:20:57.519 --> 00:21:06.880 Turns out the man was um oh I'm blanking out of the name as we're speaking, um, Albert Salmy, the actor. 00:21:07.200 --> 00:21:10.240 And he was in every Twilight Zones. 00:21:10.480 --> 00:21:12.160 I know who he is volatile as hell. 00:21:12.319 --> 00:21:14.079 Yeah, he

always played a heavy for a year. 00:21:14.240 --> 00:21:15.279 Yeah, yeah, it's my age. 00:21:15.599 --> 00:21:16.480 It would be, yeah. 00:21:16.799 --> 00:21:22.319 Yeah, yeah, he he was volatile, he beat her a lot, and and I say, Well, you might want to think about divorcing him. 00:21:22.400 --> 00:21:24.559 No, no, no, he wouldn't kill me. 00:21:24.720 --> 00:21:28.880 Some years later, to the day, he kills her and then kills himself. 00:21:29.200 --> 00:21:30.480 Yeah, yeah. 00:21:31.519 --> 00:21:42.400 And so, no, the question is, um, yeah, it was um you know, what's the source of the information? 00:21:42.880 --> 00:21:45.279 She knew a lot of it, but she didn't know all of it. 00:21:45.440 --> 00:21:50.799 But the one that really knocked it out of the park was that this is one of many sessions. 00:21:50.960 --> 00:21:53.759 We I think I mech I mixed up the stories. 00:21:53.920 --> 00:21:56.640 We did the that the last session wasn't precognition. 00:21:56.799 --> 00:22:03.039 The last session was a normal one, but we had Had to describe a day given to us a week ahead. 00:22:03.759 --> 00:22:05.680 Then we did it again. 00:22:05.920 --> 00:22:28.160 And we describe a tall woman, beautiful, blue-eyed, blonde, professionally dressed like a model, and we saw a giant house in the Hollywood Hills, um, three stories, a baby grand piano, and a man dressed in black, uh, black cape, black mask, black um, black pants, black shirt, black gloves, black hat, uh black cape, and an imposing sword. 00:22:28.319 --> 00:22:30.160 And we thought we were going crazy. 00:22:31.440 --> 00:22:42.880 So the next week, new people are brought into third parties that had not been there the last session, and everyone is given a sealed envelope with a number in it, a piece of paper. 00:22:43.119 --> 00:22:51.680 We then roll dice, tell everyone, open your packet, and whose ever number matches the dice roll will be the subject, the target. 00:22:51.839 --> 00:22:54.079 Okay, this woman goes, Oh, it's me. 00:22:54.559 --> 00:23:02.079 So we told her to take the tape, and if anything's accurate, stop it, give us feedback. 00:23:02.640 --> 00:23:06.720 So the tape's running, we describe her perfectly. 00:23:07.039 --> 00:23:11.759 Her face, her hair, her figure, her height, or the clothing she was wearing, the color. 00:23:11.920 --> 00:23:17.519 And in the room there were something like twenty-four chairs, and each chair had a number under it. 00:23:17.759 --> 00:23:21.680 That wasn't our doing, that was they would get other things in that room as well. 00:23:22.079 --> 00:23:25.839 And um she sat in the one chair we named a week earlier. 00:23:26.000 --> 00:23:27.200 That could have been coincidence. 00:23:27.359 --> 00:23:31.920 The house, the three-story home, yeah, baby grand piano, yeah, could have been coincidence. 00:23:32.160 --> 00:23:41.519 We come to the thing with a man playing uh a tall man all in black with the sword, and the girl stops and she looks at

me and she goes, How do you know who I am? 00:23:41.680 --> 00:23:43.440 I go, What are you talking about? 00:23:44.160 --> 00:23:44.960 How do you know who I am? 00:23:45.039 --> 00:23:46.960 I go, What are you talking about? 00:23:47.200 --> 00:23:48.880 She goes, I'm Tony Williams. 00:23:49.039 --> 00:23:52.559 And I went, and don't you know who I am? 00:23:52.799 --> 00:23:53.119 No. 00:23:53.519 --> 00:23:57.599 My father's Guy Williams, he played Zorro for Disney. 00:23:59.039 --> 00:23:59.599 What? 00:23:59.839 --> 00:24:01.839 Wait, she goes, When did you drink this tape? 00:24:02.000 --> 00:24:02.559 A week ago. 00:24:03.119 --> 00:24:07.519 I didn't know I was coming here until about two hours ago, but you said this a week ago. 00:24:07.759 --> 00:24:09.200 So what does that imply? 00:24:09.440 --> 00:24:12.640 Well, something about the future is already there. 00:24:14.480 --> 00:24:16.480 And it really unnerved her. 00:24:16.799 --> 00:24:20.960 It unnerved some of our regular members of our site training group. 00:24:21.119 --> 00:24:26.559 Um, it makes us wonder is how much of the future, I mean, how much control do we have? 00:24:27.279 --> 00:24:31.920 How could we describe an event that had not happened for a week? 00:24:32.079 --> 00:24:39.039 Was going to for a we and describe the woman, describe her clothes, describe the house, and describe Zorro without using the name Zorro. 00:24:39.519 --> 00:24:41.680 Astronomical probability, if it we're guessing. 00:24:42.400 --> 00:24:43.200 So what does it mean? 00:24:43.519 --> 00:24:50.880 I do think there is a lot of communication, spirit communication, it's carried out in symbols. 00:24:51.279 --> 00:24:51.440 Right? 00:25:57.200 --> 00:25:59.039 Some people are better at it than others. 00:25:59.839 --> 00:26:04.640 Or more accurate, or are able to roll in on the timeline that's activated. 00:26:06.240 --> 00:26:06.640 Correct. 00:26:06.799 --> 00:26:16.880 But see, but what it but what it boils down to in terms of parapsychology is the information occurs in in the present from another mind, we call that telepathy. 00:26:17.039 --> 00:26:19.680 Again, if it occurs for the future, it's precognition. 00:26:19.839 --> 00:26:21.759 For the past, it's retrocognition. 00:26:22.079 --> 00:26:32.480 And if it depends on where the information appears to come from, will determine the the description and causation of the perception. 00:26:32.640 --> 00:26:41.440 And here's the thing that there when it comes to time, with space and time and this phenomena, it's like a giant hologram. 00:26:42.079 --> 00:26:52.720 In normal photography, if you have a eight by ten photograph of somebody, you if you cut it in half or quarters or eighths or sixteenths, you get smaller and smaller pieces of the whole. 00:26:53.039 --> 00:26:58.880 The hologram, if you cut it up, each piece will recreate the whole, but it's of lower resolution. 00:26:59.279 --> 00:27:15.759 The only model of the parent that deals with this terms of the parental, the only model is basically a holonomic one, which suggests that the past information still exists and the futures information already exists. 00:27:15.839 --> 00:27:19.920 Not the events, the information related to the events. 00:27:20.079 --> 00:27:22.799 What we're accessing is information. 00:27:23.680 --> 00:27:34.960 And it it just it gets you know, we we we were so successful on that first voyage in terms of their pre-cogist, we got bored with the real time stuff. 00:27:35.279 --> 00:27:39.119 Um we tried it again weeks later. 00:27:39.359 --> 00:27:41.839 And we go, Well, how weird will this be? 00:27:42.160 --> 00:27:44.480 So we're just all we doing. 00:27:45.039 --> 00:27:47.519 We kept seeing fire, fire, fire, fire. 00:27:47.759 --> 00:27:48.720 We're losing our minds. 00:27:48.799 --> 00:27:50.160 Why are we all seeing fire? 00:27:50.559 --> 00:28:04.559 Okay, I'm up in the lab the next day and I see fire engine coming to the neuropsychiatric institute where our lab was located, and I go down and the co the room, the conference room, it was a controlled environment. 00:28:04.799 --> 00:28:06.880 Um that we used. 00:28:07.039 --> 00:28:11.279 Apparently there was an outlet uh socket behind one of the drapes. 00:28:11.359 --> 00:28:14.960 It shorted, it sparked, and it caught the drapes on fire. 00:28:15.440 --> 00:28:21.519 So that room was on fire hours l after we made the the we described the event. 00:28:21.759 --> 00:28:25.119 No wonder why it was kept seeing fire, it was imminent. 00:28:25.359 --> 00:28:31.759 And this this is No, there's a great it was a 1960. 00:28:32.000 --> 00:28:38.720 Um the the original movie The Time Machine where George, his lead character, says, Can man control his destiny? 00:28:38.799 --> 00:28:40.640 Can he change the shape of things to come? 00:28:41.680 --> 00:28:47.039 And uh you know, uh let me other quick one quick story. 00:28:47.440 --> 00:28:56.480 Nineteen seventy, I met a girl, well, it that's my last year of college before I went to graduate school, and named Sharon, beautiful blue-eyed blonde. 00:28:56.640 --> 00:28:58.559 We started dating, everything was great. 00:28:58.799 --> 00:29:06.160 She lived in San Fernando Valley, I lived in West LA, and uh then the dreams began, and the dreams are always the same. 00:29:06.319 --> 00:29:11.119 I'm in the backseat of a car, I saw Sharon very clearly in the passenger seat. 00:29:11.279 --> 00:29:17.839 I couldn't see the driver, I just saw that he had dark hair, which doesn't mean a lot, and I couldn't see the dashboard of the car. 00:29:18.640 --> 00:29:32.880 The car turns into cul-de-sac going to Sharon's home in the San Fernando Valley, and a much larger car comes flying at us and hits us, and there's explosion, there's glas glass, there's fire, it's horrible. 00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:35.039 And I go, This isn't good. 00:29:35.279 --> 00:29:38.720 So I kept having a dream, and I said, Well, I better tell

Sharon about this. 00:29:38.880 --> 00:29:42.880 So I told her about it, and I said, I I think it's good that we stopped dating. 00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:45.599 I don't think it's a good she goes, What kind of crap are you throwing at me? 00:29:47.039 --> 00:29:51.759 I go, Look, I'm our if we're it's not worth our relationship if we're dead. 00:29:52.240 --> 00:29:55.680 She goes, You're lot you're making this up because you want to drive all the way out here. 00:29:55.839 --> 00:29:59.279 Hey, I had a great car, gas is 25 cents a gallon. 00:29:59.440 --> 00:30:00.079 Who cares? 00:30:00.400 --> 00:30:05.039 You know, I mean, I had a Z28 Camero was like driving a road racing car. 00:30:05.119 --> 00:30:05.440 Oh, yeah. 00:30:05.759 --> 00:30:07.279 There was her little traffic. 00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:08.960 I enjoyed going there. 00:30:09.119 --> 00:30:10.000 It was fun. 00:30:10.240 --> 00:30:13.119 And I said, I'm not gonna risk our lives, it's not worth it. 00:30:13.279 --> 00:30:16.079 So we stopped dating. 00:30:16.160 --> 00:30:17.440 Uh uh because she wanted to. 00:30:17.519 --> 00:30:22.079 And I I I really didn't blame her because I might have done the same thing if she threw it at me. 00:30:22.240 --> 00:30:23.599 I think I would have. 00:30:23.920 --> 00:30:25.920 And um, so we stopped. 00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:31.359 So sometime later, I don't know, we months later, she started dating some other guy. 00:30:31.920 --> 00:30:40.400 And they're going to her house into the c into the cul-de-sac where she lived, and wham, another car hits the car. 00:30:40.480 --> 00:30:44.000 She's in the d her boyfriend, the driver, was killed instantly. 00:30:44.160 --> 00:30:50.160 She was badly injured, and she's had to deal with you know, a doctor's thing for care for a long time. 00:30:50.640 --> 00:30:54.559 Now, did I prevent the ac my dying? 00:30:54.799 --> 00:30:58.240 Or did I my ego put me in the driver's seat? 00:30:58.720 --> 00:31:00.079 Uh I'll never know. 00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:11.119 Well the the only I mean, one of the things I thought of was inviting her to come stay with me in Los Angeles rather than staying in the San Fernando Valley, which would have prevented it. 00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:14.240 But she would have went, What, you want me to what? 00:31:16.720 --> 00:31:20.240 You know, and then her mother said to me, you know, they had a big house. 00:31:20.400 --> 00:31:22.160 Why don't you come just sit live with us? 00:31:22.319 --> 00:31:23.519 I go, live with you. 00:31:23.599 --> 00:31:24.640 Where am I gonna sleep? 00:31:24.799 --> 00:31:25.839 Oh, sharing room. 00:31:25.920 --> 00:31:26.640 I'm going, what? 00:31:27.200 --> 00:31:29.519 So anyway, though, it just didn't happen. 00:31:29.759 --> 00:31:31.200 And this was a long time ago. 00:31:31.359 --> 00:31:32.880 This is 40 years ago. 00:31:33.519 --> 00:31:37.039 So i did I ch did I change the future? 00:31:37.279 --> 00:31:40.640 Um one last dream that's notable. 00:31:40.880 --> 00:31:46.559 Um on a case I was working on in 1977 in LA. 00:31:46.880 --> 00:31:56.559 I went out well, I talked to the lady on the phone about what's going on, strange noises, things moving around on their own, uh ports, things like that. 00:31:56.799 --> 00:32:13.039 So go out there it was Valentine's Day, and uh we go out there, my colleague and I walked in and for the first time in my life I was still I was so overwhelmed by a woman's physical beauty that I couldn't react. 00:32:13.680 --> 00:32:16.160 I was like, what? 00:32:16.799 --> 00:32:27.680 I couldn't um I couldn't imagine this girl was so beautiful that I it was like a a young Liz Taylor and Joan Collins fused into one body. 00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:31.039 Just so we started talking and the whole bit. 00:32:31.119 --> 00:32:32.880 We started dating and everything was great. 00:32:32.960 --> 00:32:34.400 I mean it was a perfect relationship. 00:32:34.559 --> 00:32:40.720 She lived uh she had that time she moved into her mother's uh condo in the Hollywood Hills. 00:32:40.960 --> 00:32:43.039 She was my age, at least she said she was. 00:32:43.279 --> 00:32:45.680 Everything was great, but then came the dreams. 00:32:45.839 --> 00:32:47.839 And the dreams were always the same. 00:32:48.079 --> 00:32:53.039 All I knew was that it was July twenty second and the relationship ended. 00:32:53.200 --> 00:32:54.160 I didn't know why. 00:32:54.400 --> 00:33:01.359 And I didn't want to tell her because if I told her she might misinterpret it as the fact that I wanted out of the relationship, which I did not want. 00:33:02.480 --> 00:33:06.000 So the weeks go by, our relationship's perfect every way. 00:33:06.079 --> 00:33:12.559 I mean, she participated in off-site training groups, she went out in some cases with us, and uh it was perfect. 00:33:12.720 --> 00:33:16.640 Uh it was kind of like a dream come true for both of us. 00:33:16.880 --> 00:33:18.400 So the dreams continued. 00:33:19.039 --> 00:33:27.599 So on July twenty-second, we wake up together, I wake up and she's under the covers, and she's won't come out, and she's crying. 00:33:27.759 --> 00:33:28.799 Why didn't you help me? 00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:29.759 I said, with what? 00:33:29.920 --> 00:33:30.799 When the room let out. 00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:32.079 I go, and when the what? 00:33:32.319 --> 00:33:33.279 When the room let out. 00:33:33.839 --> 00:33:35.200 What do you mean when the room let up? 00:33:35.359 --> 00:33:36.240 When the room let out? 00:33:36.319 --> 00:33:37.440 I go, What room? 00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:39.279 She goes, This room's our bedroom. 00:33:40.400 --> 00:33:40.880 Huh? 00:33:41.440 --> 00:33:43.920 She said something paralyzed her. 00:33:44.079 --> 00:33:47.279 She felt herself being lifted off the bed. 00:33:47.440 --> 00:33:49.759 She felt herself moving laterally or horizontally. 00:33:49.920 --> 00:33:56.480 She found herself in raw metal room on a pedestal like table metal, either

brush stainless or aluminum or whatever. 00:33:56.640 --> 00:33:57.599 And it was cold. 00:33:57.920 --> 00:34:03.440 She was strained at her neck, her abdomen, her wrists, and her ankles very tightly. 00:34:03.680 --> 00:34:06.000 And there's little guy eyes around her. 00:34:06.400 --> 00:34:13.280 We call like greys, we call them now, big heads, big black eyes, no nose, no ears, you know, split for a mouth. 00:34:13.519 --> 00:34:14.079 They were cutting. 00:34:14.320 --> 00:34:16.639 Their skin was very reptilian-like. 00:34:17.119 --> 00:34:23.920 And uh I so she's they're cutting her, she's telling me, and they're putting things in her body and they're hurting her. 00:34:24.079 --> 00:34:26.880 And I so I said to her, she's still under the covers, mind you. 00:34:27.119 --> 00:34:29.920 I said to her, um, do you know anything about UFO abduction? 00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:32.480 She goes, What would UFO what? 00:34:32.960 --> 00:34:34.400 She had no interest in UFO. 00:34:34.480 --> 00:34:36.079 I thought it was a lot of garbage. 00:34:37.199 --> 00:34:42.000 Um, because we had discussed it once and she said, you know, oh Bob, I'm not interested. 00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:42.559 Okay. 00:34:42.719 --> 00:34:54.400 So she f I finally coaxed her out from under the covers, and she's got bruises around her neck, around her abdomen, around her waist around her ankles, and around her wrists. 00:34:54.559 --> 00:34:58.480 As if she was held too tightly too long by something, the restraint. 00:34:58.800 --> 00:35:04.639 She's bleeding from her nose, bleeding from her ear, bleeding from her rectum, bleeding from her uterus, but she wasn't menstruating. 00:35:04.880 --> 00:35:09.519 And she had little chunks of skin taken out of her back like by a melon baller. 00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:12.880 And uh she had a complete breakdown. 00:35:13.199 --> 00:35:14.960 And uh now it was interesting. 00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:22.639 One of the neighbors who didn't know anything about this, it was a day later, said, Um, Did you see that thing over here the other night? 00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:23.519 And what? 00:35:23.840 --> 00:35:29.920 There was this thing glowing, it was huge, it was hovering over this area, and our power went out, which it did. 00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:32.000 The power went out for a couple hours. 00:35:32.320 --> 00:35:35.039 I said, No, we were inside. 00:35:35.440 --> 00:35:37.840 So, you know, can I prove it happened? 00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:39.199 Can I prove okay? 00:35:39.440 --> 00:35:41.599 Yes, what I described happened. 00:35:41.760 --> 00:35:42.960 Was it an abduction? 00:35:43.039 --> 00:35:44.079 Uh I don't know. 00:35:44.239 --> 00:35:48.000 Now, you know, and then at one point she said, Why didn't they take you? 00:35:48.239 --> 00:35:50.239 And I said, I wouldn't take me. 00:35:51.119 --> 00:35:57.840 And uh, as a joke, I would have said to her, I would drive them crazy. 00:35:58.000 --> 00:35:59.119 I want to know two things. 00:35:59.280

--> 00:36:10.880 I want to know what your power source is, I want to know how you what the propulsion system is, what's your avionics, blah, blah, you know, power conversion, how do you propel yourself without using aerodynamics to do so, blah, blah, blah. 00:36:11.039 --> 00:36:12.480 And so I didn't help her. 00:36:12.639 --> 00:36:15.760 So she sort of came apart at the seams. 00:36:16.159 --> 00:36:21.119 Um, psychiatrists in those days just assumed you were psychotic if you'd made such claims. 00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:21.519 Yeah. 00:36:21.760 --> 00:36:23.119 As did psychologists. 00:36:23.440 --> 00:36:28.639 And so had that not occurred, whatever it was, we would have been married in less than a year. 00:36:28.800 --> 00:36:29.760 But it did occur. 00:36:29.840 --> 00:36:31.599 We I can't change the past. 00:36:32.719 --> 00:36:45.840 So uh it's uh it seems that whatever UFOs are, I am and I only suggest the majority are not our UFOs, they're some other another technology far born rather than ours. 00:36:46.079 --> 00:36:51.519 They give they use forces that we may call paranormal the way we use electromagnetism. 00:36:51.679 --> 00:36:51.840 Yes. 00:36:52.159 --> 00:37:12.480 Um what's interesting, in the long history of ufology since World War II, maybe even before that, in the early late 30s, early 40s, there has never been an instance of a UFO creating a s producing a sonic boom, yet they've been tracked in at hypersonic speeds for a long time. 00:37:13.199 --> 00:37:16.159 But so that means they're not flying aerodynamically. 00:37:16.320 --> 00:37:22.000 Well, we don't know how to not fly aerodynamically, they're using another method of propulsion. 00:37:22.239 --> 00:37:35.840 Um it's and I have a strange feeling that down deep somewhere that there's a faction of our government and probably others that know a lot more than we'll ever know. 00:37:36.400 --> 00:37:38.079 And they're not going to release the data. 00:37:38.239 --> 00:37:54.480 And to be honest with you, from what I've seen, how people react to things they don't like and they don't understand, it may be better that this information is not disclosed, because you know, some people, like maybe myself or you guys, might take this in and go, wow, that's amazing, it's fascinating. 00:37:54.719 --> 00:37:58.000 Other people might react in a very negative way. 00:37:58.159 --> 00:38:14.960 And if if we're already in a crazy world where people commit terrible crimes against each other for no reason, and they go to war because they have a different rel theological you know beliefs, and we want to add another level of insanity to that. 00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:26.480 You don't tell a war-weary world, hey, look, you know, we were we weren't made in God's image, some other race of beings created us for a purpose we don't yet understand. 00:38:26.719 --> 00:38:30.719 Well then, okay, well, if someone else created it, then who was God to them? 00:38:31.039 --> 00:38:32.480 Who was God to

them? 00:38:32.800 --> 00:38:43.199 And um in in our culture, um, you know, we we live in a sense without domestic tranquility, Western civilizations cannot exist. 00:38:43.599 --> 00:38:47.519 And one if we disclose such things to the population. 00:38:47.760 --> 00:39:00.000 Oh yeah, you've had contact with these different beings, and we've trade they've we've let them abduct people, and we they've given his toys to play with, which we can't really control that well, it wouldn't go over real well. 00:39:00.159 --> 00:39:06.800 It would be one of the most uh socially disruptive bits of information ever given to the human race. 00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:19.760 And uh as we approach the holidays, Christmas and Easter, you start talking about the fact that what we think about religion is about God is wrong, it wouldn't go over real well. 00:39:20.239 --> 00:39:21.920 So, you know, that's a problem. 00:39:22.559 --> 00:40:21.119 Well it it it is a problem, but you know, that being said, I I think all we have to do is just look at what's going on in popular media, you know, if they were five seconds, you know, well, five steps, I think we have the same stuff. 00:40:21.679 --> 00:40:22.000 I don't know. 00:40:22.239 --> 00:40:24.639 I think things are what do you think about that? 00:40:26.400 --> 00:40:31.599 I I think we are in a in a different, hugely enlightened era. 00:40:32.000 --> 00:40:32.880 And what Dr. 00:40:33.039 --> 00:40:40.559 Tuff was saying before, which as you know was the interest remote doing, um it sounds to me like Dr. 00:40:40.719 --> 00:40:44.639 Tuff, you're accessing the signal line, as they call it. 00:40:44.880 --> 00:40:59.199 And I don't know if you you were following Ingle Swan's uh formula or David Morehouse's or someone else, but um I would agree that we all now have access to all information in space-time. 00:40:59.360 --> 00:41:01.920 We just need to enable it within ourselves. 00:41:03.679 --> 00:41:24.559 I think you know what's interesting, what what's interesting about this in particular is that um the concept called implicate order, which in parts which in parts suggests that um well that there's a we're able to access information remotely from ourselves, but it goes beyond that. 00:41:24.800 --> 00:41:30.159 There's evidence now that long-term memories do not reside in our brain. 00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:30.400 Right. 00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:33.679 The theory is they reside in an external power field. 00:41:33.840 --> 00:41:48.400 That means if we're the way we access our information on a day-to-day moment-to-moment basis, from the day we're born to the day we die, if it's a remote process for accessing information in order to function, well, it means that the paranormal is not paranormal. 00:41:48.559 --> 00:41:50.480 This is the way we're designed to function. 00:41:50.960 --> 00:42:00.400 And it's a question of coming to accept this, and again, it's it challenges the worldview, the our perspective on reality. 00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:05.679 And people are reluctant to change because they don't understand it. 00:42:05.920 --> 00:42:10.320 And again, how what's the how many degrees of freedom do we have? 00:42:10.480 --> 00:42:12.400 Is it all a bunch of random chaos? 00:42:12.559 --> 00:42:23.440 We just stumble through reality, you know, and I I just I just have this as my book discussed on my website, BarryTaf.net.net, discusses. 00:42:23.599 --> 00:42:36.159 I have a strong feeling that in the in the distant future, when all this is understood, we come to grips with it, we're not gonna like what it tells us because it's gonna tell us of a reality that we're totally unfamiliar with. 00:42:36.719 --> 00:42:42.639 And it's like um it'd be like taking a car back 10,000 years ago in time. 00:42:42.880 --> 00:42:44.239 People would freak out. 00:42:44.400 --> 00:42:46.320 Well, what why is it making all the noise? 00:42:46.480 --> 00:42:47.360 Why is it moving? 00:42:48.000 --> 00:42:49.599 It's not an animal, it's really hard. 00:42:50.480 --> 00:42:53.920 It's it's very complicated. 00:42:54.159 --> 00:42:56.800 And the bottom line with all of this, go ahead. 00:42:57.199 --> 00:42:58.000 Oh, I'm sorry. 00:42:58.079 --> 00:42:59.280 I'm sorry to interrupt you. 00:42:59.440 --> 00:43:05.760 The uh would you agree then, the non-locality of consciousness, non-local consciousness? 00:43:07.840 --> 00:43:12.159 Yeah, I mean, the idea would be that everything is everywhere. 00:43:12.400 --> 00:43:17.119 That the in all space, there's the information of all time in all space. 00:43:17.280 --> 00:43:30.320 So whether you're in your car or you're sleeping in your bed or watching TV at home, or you're on a plane at 40,000 feet, again, information about space-time is equally distributed. 00:43:30.559 --> 00:43:35.840 The same way, the only theory or model of the of the brain, which is Carl Freebrum, Dr. 00:43:35.920 --> 00:43:40.079 Carl Freebrum was the first to discuss hologram neuro holography. 00:43:40.239 --> 00:43:52.000 The only theory of the brain and consciousness that seems to play out in a valid way regarding the paranormal is that information is equally distributed through space-time, just like it is in a hologram. 00:43:52.320 --> 00:44:00.639 So, again, if you want to see something from 5,000 years ago, you want to see something from 5,000 years in the future, theoretically you Could do it. 00:44:00.719 --> 00:44:06.079 We can prove in some part the thing of the past because we can objectively verify that. 00:44:06.320 --> 00:44:13.599 But the future is more difficult because unless we ourselves can't verify it objectively, it doesn't mean it's true. 00:44:14.239 --> 00:44:16.159 So, you know, there are problems with that. 00:44:16.320 --> 00:44:25.760 Um the day that JFK was inaugurated, I told my parents he would die in office on Thanksgiving of '63, and they went, What? 00:44:26.159 --> 00:44:28.079 I said, Well, it's not he's gonna die of illness.

00:44:28.159 --> 00:44:30.559 I said, No, I think it's gonna be a lot worse than that. 00:44:30.719 --> 00:44:33.280 And they went, Uh oh, okay, you're crazy. 00:44:33.440 --> 00:44:37.679 And then you're a couple years later, when it happened, they went, they didn't talk to me for weeks. 00:44:40.400 --> 00:44:56.079 And so, um it it's people have an odd response to some elements of the paranormal and uh like I said in my w there's an article on my website called A Different Kind of Psychic Being a Medical Intuitive. 00:44:56.320 --> 00:44:59.440 And I've been a medical intuitive since I was a kid. 00:44:59.760 --> 00:45:01.440 And it's interesting. 00:45:01.920 --> 00:45:04.400 It's like, okay, why not my friends and family? 00:45:04.559 --> 00:45:07.039 Why don't they have these experiences? 00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:17.599 And it's I'm telling you, it's cost me a lot of friends over the years where it's fun and games and then when it gets real serious, they back away 'cause they're frightened of you. 00:45:17.920 --> 00:45:19.360 Or they think you're crazy. 00:45:20.079 --> 00:45:23.440 And um, you know, it's um an example. 00:45:23.599 --> 00:45:26.320 I met a girl online six years ago. 00:45:26.559 --> 00:45:27.679 Never met her in person. 00:45:28.000 --> 00:45:29.280 Very, very attractive girl. 00:45:29.360 --> 00:45:31.599 She looks very much like a young John Collins. 00:45:31.760 --> 00:45:33.760 Another of my stereotypes. 00:45:34.079 --> 00:45:39.760 So I met we we talked and I am looking at her pictures online and she's so beautiful. 00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:45.440 I said, Look, I have to be honest with you, I'm looking at your pictures and you don't look healthy, you look sickly. 00:45:45.679 --> 00:45:46.719 She goes, What? 00:45:46.880 --> 00:45:48.960 How do you know I'm I said, What do you admit it? 00:45:49.039 --> 00:45:53.199 She was born a blue baby and she's been sick of one thing or another her entire life. 00:45:53.519 --> 00:45:56.559 And um, how can you tell from looking at a picture? 00:45:56.639 --> 00:46:01.519 I don't know, I'm looking at your picture and I'm feeling you feel sick. 00:46:02.639 --> 00:46:06.000 So the last time I actually spoke to her was about a year ago. 00:46:06.559 --> 00:46:10.719 And uh we had we covered a lot of things of information. 00:46:10.960 --> 00:46:16.960 But one of the things I was emphatic about, I said, Look, you gotta go to see um mammograms done. 00:46:17.039 --> 00:46:17.840 Why just do it? 00:46:17.920 --> 00:46:19.440 You gotta go see an oncologist. 00:46:19.599 --> 00:46:20.079 Just do it. 00:46:20.239 --> 00:46:21.119 And she didn't. 00:46:21.519 --> 00:46:25.599 And then just was it last l yeah, earlier this week? 00:46:25.840 --> 00:46:30.239 Yeah, she found lumps in her breast, and she had to go to see an oncologist. 00:46:30.320 --> 00:46:34.880 They found something, whatever they haven't done an autopsy a biopsy yet, but they probably will. 00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:39.440 And I said, remember I talked to you about this like, you know, like last year? 00:46:39.599 --> 00:46:40.400 She goes, No. 00:46:41.679 --> 00:46:45.519 And then 1973, I was dating a girl I met in the lab. 00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:48.480 Uh looks like a young short Shirley McLean. 00:46:48.800 --> 00:46:49.920 We get along real well. 00:46:50.079 --> 00:46:57.599 And then we were talking once, or on our couch talking, and um No, no, we were eating, that's right, eating. 00:46:57.840 --> 00:47:03.760 And she's sitting across from me, and I said, You gotta I said, I pointed to her to her left breast area, you got a tumor there. 00:47:03.840 --> 00:47:04.480 She goes, What? 00:47:04.639 --> 00:47:04.880 Huh? 00:47:05.039 --> 00:47:05.679 You got a what? 00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:06.559 A tumor. 00:47:07.039 --> 00:47:08.239 How can you see it? 00:47:08.880 --> 00:47:12.880 Well, it's it's it's inside you, and you better go check it out. 00:47:13.119 --> 00:47:13.360 What? 00:47:13.599 --> 00:47:14.159 Huh? 00:47:14.480 --> 00:47:16.400 I said, Look, don't worry, it's benign. 00:47:16.559 --> 00:47:17.519 How do you know it's benign? 00:47:17.599 --> 00:47:19.119 I said, There's no calcium around. 00:47:19.920 --> 00:47:21.280 What are you talking about? 00:47:22.159 --> 00:47:22.480 Okay. 00:47:23.119 --> 00:47:26.800 So she finished her degree at UCLA, she got a job very quickly. 00:47:27.039 --> 00:47:30.079 She had to have a medical checkup for insurance purposes. 00:47:30.320 --> 00:47:32.320 They found uh lump. 00:47:32.639 --> 00:47:33.840 They found a tumor. 00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:36.960 They get a biopsy, it was benign, they took it anyway. 00:47:37.039 --> 00:47:38.400 She goes, I can't be around you. 00:47:38.559 --> 00:47:38.719 Why? 00:47:39.199 --> 00:47:43.039 She goes, I I feel like a piece of glass around you, and I'd have no privacy. 00:47:43.280 --> 00:47:44.000 But it helps you. 00:47:44.159 --> 00:47:46.079 She goes, I don't want that kind of help. 00:47:47.199 --> 00:47:54.880 And you know, um but the thing that really ended it was we went to see the exorcist, the opening night. 00:47:56.639 --> 00:47:57.760 That's a good romance film. 00:47:57.840 --> 00:48:00.320 That's a d that's a deep night collection. 00:48:00.639 --> 00:48:03.440 Well no, well no, she wanted to see it as much as I did. 00:48:03.679 --> 00:48:03.840 Okay. 00:48:04.239 --> 00:48:05.360 She didn't know that much about it. 00:48:05.599 --> 00:48:06.239 Oh, okay. 00:48:06.719 --> 00:48:12.239 The film starts and it's during the first act, we see a young Linda Blair is being bounced around on the bed. 00:48:12.400 --> 00:48:20.960 And I turned it, I suddenly I heard I I turned to Carol and I said, the girl, my girlfriend, I said, I've seen a bed do that in a house in Hollywood. 00:48:21.119 --> 00:48:22.000 And she, what? 00:48:22.239 --> 00:48:26.480 And so in the front of the theater, a voice comes out, hey Barry, is that you? 00:48:30.960 --> 00:48:32.480 And

Carol didn't sleep. 00:48:32.639 --> 00:48:34.639 I said, first of all, Carol, it's a movie. 00:48:34.800 --> 00:48:48.719 It's based not on a novel, not based on a don't worry about, but but she got trouble sleeping, and and you know, uh, and and so, but it you see, it's it's sort of like I live in a different reality than most people. 00:48:49.199 --> 00:48:51.280 My reality is a paranormal one. 00:48:51.519 --> 00:48:53.760 Most people, you know, they have they get a lot. 00:48:53.920 --> 00:48:59.760 You grow up, you go to school, get an education, you get a job, you get married, you have kids, and you die. 00:48:59.920 --> 00:49:01.119 That's reality. 00:49:01.519 --> 00:49:03.280 Well, not in my world. 00:49:03.679 --> 00:49:04.639 No, no. 00:49:05.199 --> 00:49:11.280 I grew up and went to school, never got a normal job, never got married, never had any children. 00:49:11.760 --> 00:49:19.280 But I had a lot of time to think about things and do work, research, rather than be consumed with normality. 00:49:19.599 --> 00:49:21.840 And that was your and that was your past. 00:49:22.239 --> 00:49:31.360 And I believe that we have a we have a kind of a selection process and we have a lot of responsibility for like the major points that that happen in their lives. 00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:36.239 But one thing I would just a little quick thing I'd say about your your medical intuitive. 00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:49.599 From a metaphysical standpoint, I would say that you had spent a lot of lifetime as a doctor and practitioner, probably back even far uh in the in the stance of time. 00:49:49.840 --> 00:49:57.679 And I think that there are actually a lot of doctors or healers that are medical intuitives, but they don't express it that way. 00:49:57.920 --> 00:50:06.639 But but you definitely you definitely have that gift, and I think it comes from just someone who has done that and who has used those tools that way. 00:50:06.880 --> 00:50:11.679 And that happened in other sophisticated cultures in our deep past. 00:50:13.360 --> 00:50:30.159 Yeah, I mean, um another incident, I it's see it's it's wh sometimes I see what's wrong with someone, I can look in them, and other times I could just be sitting next to a stranger, and I'm feeling sick, and I ask them, and they say, How did you know? 00:50:31.039 --> 00:50:36.719 Um, I was in a movie theater about 10 years ago, 12 years ago, Century City, near where I lived. 00:50:37.360 --> 00:50:44.079 And I sit down next to some guy, my friend's to my left, this guy's to my right, stranger to my right, and suddenly my kidneys were killing me. 00:50:44.159 --> 00:50:46.480 And I said, Boy, what did my kidneys suddenly hurt? 00:50:46.639 --> 00:50:50.079 And the guy on my right says, That's odd, I've been having a problem with my kidneys all week. 00:50:50.880 --> 00:50:52.480 Okay, so I moved to another seat. 00:50:52.559 --> 00:50:52.639 Yeah. 00:50:53.360 --> 00:50:54.800 When the dark night came out. 00:50:55.039 --> 00:50:56.800 Yeah, when the dark night came out. 00:50:57.039 --> 00:50:57.440 Yeah. 00:50:57.599 --> 00:50:57.920 Yeah. 00:50:58.079 --> 00:51:01.760 When when the dark night came out, went to see it in the theater with an old friend. 00:51:01.840 --> 00:51:03.199 We drove separately. 00:51:03.519 --> 00:51:05.119 So the movie starts. 00:51:05.280 --> 00:51:06.159 I hadn't seen this girl. 00:51:06.239 --> 00:51:08.559 I knew her from UCLA a long time ago. 00:51:08.719 --> 00:51:12.800 And uh suddenly my bladder starts spasming, burning. 00:51:12.880 --> 00:51:15.199 I go, oh, what's what is oh my god. 00:51:15.360 --> 00:51:17.199 She then got a call from her daughter. 00:51:17.360 --> 00:51:18.159 She had to leave. 00:51:18.239 --> 00:51:19.920 So it was nothing I could help her with. 00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:20.800 So she left. 00:51:20.960 --> 00:51:21.920 And I stayed. 00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:22.719 I watched the movie. 00:51:22.880 --> 00:51:24.400 The minute she left, I was fine. 00:51:24.639 --> 00:51:30.159 I found out the next day that she was suffering from a really bad bladder infection. 00:51:30.400 --> 00:51:30.719 Oh. 00:51:31.920 --> 00:51:34.320 I'm sorry you had to sick yourself. 00:51:35.519 --> 00:51:37.440 Sorry you had to feel that, Barry. 00:51:37.599 --> 00:51:38.320 I was so sorry. 00:51:39.039 --> 00:51:43.840 But I mean, it but I mean, it's I an old girlfriend showed up. 00:51:44.000 --> 00:51:48.400 This is 1999, out of the blue, hadn't seen her in a long time. 00:51:48.559 --> 00:51:55.199 So it was warm outside, she was wearing a halter top, and I was talking to her, and I said, What's over your chest? 00:51:55.360 --> 00:51:56.079 She goes, What? 00:51:56.239 --> 00:52:00.639 I said, It it looks like a like an octopus or a squid. 00:52:00.800 --> 00:52:01.519 What are you talking about? 00:52:01.599 --> 00:52:03.360 I said, Oh, it's not on you, it's in you. 00:52:03.519 --> 00:52:05.119 You better go see an oncologist. 00:52:05.199 --> 00:52:07.360 Well, you've got your breasts are riddled with tumors. 00:52:07.519 --> 00:52:07.920 Yep. 00:52:08.320 --> 00:52:09.039 They were. 00:52:09.280 --> 00:52:13.599 She had to have a bilateral uh uh uh double ansectomy. 00:52:13.840 --> 00:52:16.400 So I didn't know it was there. 00:52:16.960 --> 00:52:23.840 Um again, it's this is as normal for me as it is to breathe. 00:52:24.000 --> 00:52:31.440 But the one of the last doctors I had in LA uh before I left, so he's taking my pulse and blood pressure or whatever. 00:52:31.760 --> 00:52:37.280 He gets near me, and the first thing I said, I said, You drive a black Lexus SC430. 00:52:37.920 --> 00:52:38.800 How did you know that? 00:52:38.960 --> 00:52:40.960 Well, you're standing right next to it. 00:52:41.440 --> 00:52:44.719 And then he I said, You've got lumbar problems, right? 00:52:44.880 --> 00:52:46.800 Some upper respiratory distress. 00:52:47.039 --> 00:52:48.079 How could you know that? 00:52:48.239 -->

00:52:53.519 And he just ran out of the room and told another doctor to come in and finish the examination. 00:52:55.360 --> 00:52:57.840 Um I hate to tell you that guy here, Dr. 00:52:58.000 --> 00:52:58.239 Taff. 00:52:58.480 --> 00:52:59.199 We've got to wrap it. 00:52:59.360 --> 00:53:00.320 Uh five minutes. 00:53:00.639 --> 00:53:00.960 Okay. 00:53:01.280 --> 00:53:01.599 Okay. 00:53:02.159 --> 00:53:05.920 Well, I just uh I had a question, just one little question for you, Dr. 00:53:06.000 --> 00:53:06.320 Taff. 00:53:06.480 --> 00:53:24.800 Again, just going back to uh the nature of poltergeist activity, which is something that fascinates me particularly since you were that you were really the first one to suggest that it was a non-localized energy field of some sort and being having all of these kinds of different technologies in place for the phenomena to occur. 00:53:26.880 --> 00:53:50.719 Did you find that adolescents or teens or premenstrual girls is there a higher incidence of this kind of I don't know if I could call it psychokinetic, uh, but what the aspect of poltergeist activity that is generated by a human physical body, if in fact that's the way it works. 00:53:51.599 --> 00:54:09.280 It's been known for a long time from the early onset of this research that the pri the the most common recipients or experiencers of this type of phenomena were uh adolescent child pubescent adolescent children going through these changes because hormonal shifts in their body. 00:54:09.440 --> 00:54:12.960 But see, that was a very crude generic description. 00:54:13.199 --> 00:54:18.559 What it also is people who have very bad ability to deal with stress. 00:54:18.800 --> 00:54:21.360 So there's many ways to produce the the event. 00:54:21.599 --> 00:54:23.920 It's like there's many things that could produce heat. 00:54:24.079 --> 00:54:36.320 Light will produce heat, sound can produce heat, fire could produce heat, friction can produce heat, chemicals can produce heat, um, but they all the heat is end result, but all these different methods produce heat. 00:54:36.480 --> 00:54:47.599 The same thing here, but it seems the commonality is the the uh I guess susceptibility to uh electromagnetic field. 00:54:47.760 --> 00:54:55.440 And also and also the like I said, the the the the very likely probabil high probability of field being seizure prone or epileptic. 00:54:55.599 --> 00:54:59.039 You can be so subtle if you have focal seizure, certain parts of your body. 00:54:59.280 --> 00:54:59.440 Yeah. 00:54:59.679 --> 00:55:05.760 And if we had more time, I could feel you when is when I moved out of LA and came out here in no man's land. 00:55:05.920 --> 00:55:06.159 Yeah. 00:55:06.719 --> 00:55:09.360 Incredible things going on at both houses I've been in. 00:55:09.760 --> 00:55:10.400 Oh my goodness. 00:55:10.719 --> 00:55:11.199 Amazing. 00:55:11.519 --> 00:55:12.480 Well, we would love to. 00:55:12.960 --> 00:55:19.440 I mean, if you could come back and see us in June in a couple months, we would adore that Barry and we can talk some more about that phenomena. 00:55:19.679 --> 00:55:31.920 And I'd also like to discuss your feelings about telepathic, uh human-incited telepathic communication with EPs, all uh the kinds of things that Stephen Greer are are uh exploring right now. 00:55:32.079 --> 00:55:33.679 So we'll get to that next time. 00:55:34.079 --> 00:55:36.400 I uh I I would that's one thing I won't discuss. 00:55:36.559 --> 00:55:38.000 I didn't do with Stephen Greer out of one. 00:55:38.320 --> 00:55:38.719 Oh, okay. 00:55:38.880 --> 00:55:40.400 Well it's good that I know that now. 00:55:40.719 --> 00:55:43.599 Okay, we're not alone, by the way. 00:55:44.000 --> 00:55:45.519 Um anyway, uh Dr. 00:55:45.679 --> 00:55:47.440 Berry Calf, we just want to thank you. 00:55:47.519 --> 00:56:01.039 It is so good to hear from you and to know you're doing well and you're and you're safe and you're hanging in there, and uh we look forward to our next opportunity to chat and uh take things take things right out again. 00:56:02.800 --> 00:56:04.400 Okay, sounds good. 00:56:04.800 --> 00:56:05.679 Thank you so much. 00:56:05.840 --> 00:56:08.000 We're gonna we're gonna give it a lot of my pleasure. 00:56:08.159 --> 00:56:11.440 And uh great questions. 00:56:11.840 --> 00:56:12.320 Thank you so much. 00:56:13.119 --> 00:56:13.280 Thank you. 00:56:13.760 --> 00:56:14.239 Talking to you soon. 00:56:14.800 --> 00:56:15.599 Okay, bye-bye now. 00:56:15.840 --> 00:56:16.639 Thank you, thank you. 00:56:17.039 --> 00:56:17.440 Bye bye. 00:56:17.760 --> 00:56:18.320 Bye-bye. 00:56:18.559 --> 00:56:18.880 Bye. 00:56:19.039 --> 00:56:19.360 Okay. 00:56:21.599 --> 00:56:24.079 Thank you for watching Contact TV. 00:56:24.400 --> 00:56:37.280 We would like to thank our generous sponsors: Lightwork Hypnosis, Euphoria, and the Euphoria Chronicles, Earth Mystery News, Conspiracy Culture Books, New Fond Canada, Free 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