The Pain Cave

By Jason Friedman

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The Pain Cave is a free-flowing conversation with a wide variety of guests from the worlds of running and exercise science.  We talk about physiology, sports science, politics, music, beer, and occasionally running.
May 14, 2018 · transcript
As we delve back into the science of running, we've noticed that there are a lot of terms and shorthand we use that may not be familiar to everyone out there. Most of us have heard the terms "VO2 max" and "lactate threshold," but do we understand what those things really mean, or how they relate to our endurance pursuits? For this episode we decided to get back to basics with one of the most knowledgeable exercise physiologists and running coaches in the country, Dr. Jason Karp. Dr. Karp is the author of over 400 articles and eight books on running, and he is the perfect guest to help us develop a deeper understanding of the physiologic parameters that govern performance.We start out by defining the major parameters: VO2max, lactate threshold, and running economy (9:30), and delve into what these parameters actually mean for our physiology (17:00). Then, we discuss the different types of training that we can use to target each of these parameters (19:00), before examining the utility of repeat physiologic testing (29:30) and how these parameters factor into the brain's regulation of performance (33:00).Links: Dr. Karp's websiteRevolution RunningIntro music: "Fine Line" by the BloodlettersOutro music: "When I Was Still Young" by Yard Sale
May 2, 2018
We're getting back to the science stuff next week, but today we've got another episode for ultra geeks.  Spurred by Trail Runner magazine's recent profile on Coree Woltering, teammate Rich Heffron joins the show to discuss the current state of ultrarunning media.  We tackle the question of whether there is a West Coast bias in ultra coverage (7:00), whether media organizations in the sport have an obligation to cover certain events (26:00), why USATF championship races aren't a bigger deal (31:30), and the geographic distribution of Western States qualifiers (51:30).  We also name-check some non-West Coast ultrarunners who deserve more respect (55:35) before we get Rich's Desert Island Picks (1:03:50).Links: Rich's MPF/RNR bio page The aforementioned Coree Woltering profile in Trail RunnerMy beer for the episode: Dogfish Head 60-minute IPARich's Desert Island Picks: Currents by Tame impala, Why We Run by Bernd Heinrich, Left Hand Nitro Milk StoutIntro music: "Fine Line" by the BloodlettersOutro music: "When I Was Still Young" by Yard Sale
April 24, 2018
We're starting something new in the Pain Cave this week.  We love delving into the science of sport, but sometimes we just want to kick back with a couple of beers and be geeky ultra fans.  We're going to try to dedicate an episode each month to the stories and athletes making headlines in our sport, recapping the big races, examining the storylines that are intriguing us, and looking forward to upcoming races we're excited about.  For this project I've recruited my good friend, training partner, and beer aficionado Phil Vondra.As this is the first one of these, we've got a lot of ground to cover.  We start by recapping the Golden Ticket season, including Lake Sonoma (4:30), some under-the-radar stories from the GT series (12:30), and the performances that surprised us the most (16:00).  After that, we discuss many of the biggest stories from the first few months of the season, including US runners dominating Tarawera (26:30), a disappointing Barkley Marathons (37:30), the "Kenyafornia" project (44:15), Camille Herron's early season (46:45), and some ultrarunners tackling a tough Boston Marathon (52:00), before we quickly preview some of the upcoming races we're excited about in the next month (54:45).Links:  The beer we drank during this episodePhil's guest post on my blog last yearIntro music: "Fine Line" by the BloodlettersOutro music: "When I Was Still Young" by Yard Sale
March 22, 2018
We welcome back Unived and Altra athlete Laura Kline to the program in the wake of her runner-up performance at the national 50K championships.  Laura talks about her athletic background, how she got into ultras, recaps her recent race at Caumsett, and gives us the lowdown on how she succeeds as a vegan, gluten-free athlete.Links: Laura's websiteIntro music: "Fine Line" by the BloodlettersOutro music: "When I Was Still Young" by Yard Sale
March 5, 2018
Author, physicist (?), journalist, and world-class miler Alex Hutchinson calls in from the Great White North to discuss his recently released book, Endure: Mind, Body, and the Curiously Elastic Limits of Human Performance.  We discuss the role the mind plays in endurance performance (2:30), the work of Tim Noakes and the various ways it informs our understanding of exercise physiology (10:15), why positive emotions enhance your performance (21:30), and techniques we can use to improve our mental outlook (28:30).  Plus, in a new segment, Alex tells us what he's bringing to a desert island (36:30).  This is one of the best books on running I've ever read; you don't want to miss the episode.  (And buy the book, it's awesome!)Links: Alex's WebsiteIntro music: "Fine Line" by the BloodlettersOutro music: "When I Was Still Young" by Yard Sale
Feb. 16, 2018
Dr. Zubair Jafar, the head of the Sports Cardiology program at the Heart Center, joins us in the Pain Cave to talk about the athlete's heart.  This is an important episode for anyone with cardiac concerns or risk factors, or anyone who is curious about safely beginning an exercise regimen.  We discuss the importance of exercise in maintaining good health, the benefits of hight-intensity training, some potential cardiac complications of long-term aerobic exercise, the utility of different cardiovascular tests, the need for cardiac screening, and the potential for performance improvement.  Links: Heart Center Sports Cardiology ProgramIntro music: "Fine Line" by the BloodlettersOutro music: "When I Was Still Young" by Yard Sale
Jan. 31, 2018
It's a bit early to start repeating guests, but we couldn't ignore the performance of our inaugural guest, Brian Oestrike, at the famous HURT 100 mile earlier this month.  Brian sits down with a couple of  awesome double IPAs to discuss how he prepared for a race in Hawaii while training in New York in December, what separates HURT from some of the other legendary trail 100s, his early-race mental struggles, the differences between multi-loop and point-to-point races, and more. If you haven't already, make sure to go back to episode 01 for lots of fun stuff with Brian, including the Bighorn 100, mountaineering/ultrarunning crossover, altitude training, and lots more beer talk.Links:Brian's heat adaptation protocol: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHOlM-wlNjMA plug: http://hypoxico.comIntro music: "Fine Line" by the BloodlettersOutro music: "When I Was Still Young" by Yard Sale
Jan. 4, 2018
In our year-end, non-science-related episode, we delve into the ballot for Ultrarunner of the Year.  I welcome in my good friend Laura Kline to debate who should make the mens' and womens' top 10 ultrarunners of the year, and the five best male and female performances of the year.  We also discuss whether DNFs should count more than DNSs, why we grade certain runners on a curve, the importance of big international races, and our toughest omissions.Thanks to Ultrarunning magazine for sponsoring this episode.Links: http://laurajkline.comhttp://ultrarunningmagazine.comIntro Music: "Fine Line" by the BloodlettersOutro Music: "When I Was Still Young" by Yard Sale
Dec. 20, 2017
Counselor, lecturer, sort-of-single mom, and runner Courtney Edwards visits the Pain Cave to address the mental side of the sport...but maybe not in the way you've heard it before.  We cover a lot of ground: the emotional benefits of running and exercise, the biochemical basis behind these emotions, addictive behaviors, eating disorders, the impact of running on psychology, mindfulness and gratitude, how to tackle periods of low motivation, and the pros and cons of goal setting.Link: http://deconstructingcoco.blogspot.comIntro music: "Fine Line" by the BloodlettersOutro music: "When I Was Still Young" by Yard Sale 
Nov. 20, 2017
I go back to my Ithaca roots for a conversation with my old Cornell teammate, Artie Smith, recently named the Alan B. '53 and Elizabeth Heekin Harris Head Coach of Women's Track and Field/Cross Country at our alma mater.  We reminisce a bit about our days as students on the Hill, the history of the Cornell track program, the differences between coaching men and women, and some of the health challenges that can affect young female endurance athletes.  Hopefully people who didn't happen to run track for the Big Red can enjoy this episode as much as we did!Link: Cornell Track and FieldIntro music: "Fine Line" by the BloodlettersOutro music: "When I Was Still Young" by Yard Sale Permalink
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