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anything like that, but when I had to fill out the intake form, they ask about the title and says, No matter, just a working title is okay. 00:06:48.399 --> 00:06:49.680 We can figure it out later. 00:06:49.839 --> 00:06:51.839 So I put in dump chin. 00:06:52.160 --> 00:06:58.000 That working title became the title because that's what the book is all about. 00:06:58.319 --> 00:06:59.600 Here you have it. 00:06:59.920 --> 00:07:02.160 That is so exciting. 00:07:02.480 --> 00:07:14.959 So, how did you feel when you were offered that book deal in just those in those, you know, that short amount of time, and you weren't even planning on doing that? 00:07:15.279 --> 00:07:15.920 Yes. 00:07:16.560 --> 00:07:19.199 It was scary, to tell you the truth. 00:07:19.439 --> 00:07:30.879 And when, to be very honest, when I got offered this book deal, I also knew there was quite some commitment on my end. 00:07:31.279 --> 00:07:34.639 Time commitment, financial commitment. 00:07:34.959 --> 00:07:45.600 Because I always say uh if you're not a celebrity, more or less you are the one who's carrying the book and everything behind it. 00:07:46.000 --> 00:07:51.920 Because the book industry has changed so much over the few last few years. 00:07:52.399 --> 00:08:00.720 But for me, it was more a question: do they offer book deals to everybody? 00:08:01.040 --> 00:08:01.600 Right? 00:08:01.839 --> 00:08:18.800 That that that uh pessimism that is sometimes uh underlined there, and some of the good caution, because you know, we all have probably um felt at one time or another, hmm, somebody's took took advantage of me. 00:08:19.120 --> 00:08:27.279 So nowadays I went right on AI and did some research, said, so is this all rich it? 00:08:27.519 --> 00:08:29.839 I've not heard about this. 00:08:30.079 --> 00:08:40.399 Well, I did heard about this publisher before, because another good friend published a book through Morgan James, and they ended up to being uh wonderful. 00:08:40.639 --> 00:08:53.039 But I at that point I did the research, but then I learned that they get about 5,000 pitches a year, and they take 150. 00:08:53.360 --> 00:09:06.399 Wow, yeah, that's about three percent, and so I thought, well, I guess I have to write the book, and here we are uh a year and a half later. 00:09:06.720 --> 00:09:11.200 That's great, and I love the phrase sacred whispers. 00:09:11.840 --> 00:09:18.720 Were there times in your life where you had those sacred whispers? 00:09:18.960 --> 00:09:22.320 And how did you learn to trust them? 00:09:22.799 --> 00:09:28.000 Well, I had those sacred whispers my entire life. 00:09:28.240 --> 00:09:35.519 Of course, in my early years, I didn't realize that that's what it was. 00:09:35.919 --> 00:09:39.279 Later on, of course, I I did. 00:09:40.000 --> 00:09:47.759 But it first started out, and this is the story that is the first chapter. 00:09:48.000 --> 00:09:49.759 And that's how I started out. 00:09:50.240 --> 00:09:55.039 A experience that

I had when I was just nine years old. 00:09:55.440 --> 00:10:16.159 And that experience was uh it was very impactful, but in the well, not just in a negative way, later on in a positive way, because I told the story and used it as my learning uh experience. 00:10:16.480 --> 00:10:28.000 But I was in a park, I was playing, the playground was closed, and I still had half an hour before going home. 00:10:28.159 --> 00:10:33.200 And when you're nine years old, you go home when the parents said you go home, right? 00:10:33.440 --> 00:10:36.000 It was a summer evening in Hamburg, Germany. 00:10:36.240 --> 00:10:48.480 I was just lovely, and I was sitting on the bench and watching the squirrels and just minding my business, and then a nice gentleman sat next to me and we got into a conversation, and he seemed very nice. 00:10:48.720 --> 00:10:51.279 But then he said something that was very disturbing. 00:10:51.440 --> 00:10:55.039 He said, Do you see that man in the back there? 00:10:55.840 --> 00:10:57.919 That is a child snatcher. 00:10:58.559 --> 00:10:59.200 Wow. 00:10:59.759 --> 00:11:02.639 And I thought, oh, yeah, that's that's very bad. 00:11:02.799 --> 00:11:07.039 And then and then the uh um owner man said, Well, you know what? 00:11:07.200 --> 00:11:08.320 Let's just get away. 00:11:08.399 --> 00:11:10.240 I said, That was a good idea. 00:11:10.480 --> 00:11:18.080 And we went and we walked, and and the park had a little hill where we slept down in the winter time. 00:11:18.480 --> 00:11:30.480 So there was a walkway uh around them in the back, and then in the back, so you had to go steep up, or you went all the way around. 00:11:30.720 --> 00:11:37.120 But then he suggested, let's take a shortcut, let's go up there through the underbrush. 00:11:37.279 --> 00:11:39.440 There was no path or anything like that. 00:11:39.759 --> 00:11:42.879 I said, you know, let's take the shortcut, right? 00:11:43.039 --> 00:11:44.320 You're always adventurous. 00:11:44.399 --> 00:11:46.559 I'm always an adventurous person, anyways. 00:11:46.799 --> 00:11:47.759 And we did. 00:11:48.320 --> 00:11:55.840 And at one point, somewhere in the middle, he stopped and he made this motion. 00:11:56.240 --> 00:11:57.919 Come here, little girl. 00:11:58.240 --> 00:12:16.720 And in that moment, there was not a whisper, but there were definitely a guardian angels that were there at that time in my life that said, Run, Sabina, run, and that's exactly what I did. 00:12:17.279 --> 00:12:37.360 And that was a very traumatic experience for me, and I did not tell a soul about it, and that was even more dramatic, traumatic, not dramatic, dramatic probably too. 00:12:37.600 --> 00:12:44.559 Sorry, my German accent here, because I felt it was all my fault. 00:12:44.799 --> 00:13:25.679 Because of course your parents say, hey, don't go with strangers, but I didn't feel that this was a stranger, and that is just the the worst that can happen to a child or an innocent person because you don't think about that, but then you realize no, that that was bad, and that I carried with me for a long time, but that led me to turn to God for the first time because we were not churchgoers, my family, you know, I wasn't you know raised like that. 00:13:25.919 --> 00:13:29.360 I learned a little bit in school about the Bible. 00:13:29.840 --> 00:13:35.360 We had Bible study in school back in those days, and that was it. 00:13:36.080 --> 00:13:41.600 But intuitively, I knew there was there was a higher power. 00:13:42.080 --> 00:14:08.960 And I started creating my first prayer that night, and that kept me connected to something higher that I felt safe in, and that's what I from that point on, I was very open to those sacred whispers, and sometimes those whispers can be very loud. 00:14:09.279 --> 00:14:38.399 That is such a great story, and I I had so many thoughts as you were telling that story, but I had the thought about how easy it is for someone to take advantage of someone when you kind of have your guard down when you don't consider that person a stranger, and that's probably why a lot of things happen to people when it's done by someone they already know. 00:14:38.720 --> 00:14:58.080 Yes, and then it does challenge your sense of safety, yes, and again that that guilt comes in there, so uh and I think that is an important part also for parents to understand that so many things happened. 00:14:58.320 --> 00:15:25.200 I've heard in the meantime many stories when because I have a podcast too, and a lot of people sharing their story, and some of those stories were about childhood where the friendly neighbor was then the abusive person, someone you thought was a you know friendly one, but it turned out to be the foe. 00:15:25.759 --> 00:15:35.600 And yeah, so for parents, be aware, and especially when a child comes back and acts differently. 00:15:36.080 --> 00:15:42.639 Sometimes you may think, oh, there's just something, why is she or he acting this way, right? 00:15:43.039 --> 00:15:46.159 There might be something more serious behind it. 00:15:46.559 --> 00:15:47.840 So that's so true. 00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:57.039 I'm a mom, and and even from my own personal experiences, I just know that that what you're saying is so very true. 00:15:57.200 --> 00:15:58.320 So absolutely. 00:15:58.480 --> 00:16:00.320 And you mentioned your podcast. 00:16:00.639 --> 00:16:06.559 Can you talk more about the name of your podcast and what it's about and what it's about? 00:16:07.440 --> 00:16:07.840 Sure. 00:16:08.000 --> 00:16:11.440 My podcast called Become Empowered. 00:16:12.000 --> 00:16:14.960 And you can find it on all the platforms. 00:16:15.200 --> 00:16:43.039 I started this podcast four years ago because I wanted to share stories from individuals from all walks of life sharing their story of overcoming adversity, overcoming hardship, and what they've learned in the process, and how that experience turned them into their next greater self.

00:16:43.360 --> 00:17:00.159 Because we have to become the person we are meant to be to live the life we are destined to live, and every experience that we have in life will help us on that journey, and that is what I also share in my book, Gumpchen. 00:17:00.720 --> 00:17:12.000 It is a memoir, so I share a lot of stories throughout my early years, through my career, the spiritual parts. 00:17:12.079 --> 00:17:32.240 So I have like four parts in it, and with each of those stories, I have an invitation for the readers to perhaps find themselves in the story, even if it has nothing to do with them per se. 00:17:32.720 --> 00:17:37.039 But a story is always attached to an experience. 00:17:37.440 --> 00:17:43.680 Even someone has a different story, but it matches the experience and what we can learn from it. 00:17:43.920 --> 00:18:14.400 And where I am at the stage of my life after several businesses, and what I do now working with individuals and helping them, and through my podcast, through my books, I wanted to leave this planet with doing what I was supposed to do here, and I figured it out throughout the lifetime, and I'm still figuring it out as we move forward because it's always changing. 00:18:14.559 --> 00:18:15.759 It's a journey. 00:18:16.079 --> 00:18:23.920 What has each season in your life taught you about becoming rather than simply achieving? 00:18:24.240 --> 00:18:27.359 Ah, what an excellent question. 00:18:27.680 --> 00:18:33.599 At the beginning of my life and career, it was about achieving. 00:18:48.640 --> 00:18:57.200 There are things and ways that you know, that's the only thing you know, until you create your own experiences. 00:18:57.680 --> 00:19:04.240 So, of course, it is like be successful, however it looks like. 00:19:06.720 --> 00:19:25.440 My first success was changing careers, doing what I love, doing what using my talents, becoming an actress, singer, dancer, and that was exciting. 00:19:25.599 --> 00:19:41.359 And then those ambitions were to play the big roles, and I share some of this in my book as well, including how I got one of the major roles uh in musical theater. 00:19:41.920 --> 00:19:44.720 And that was that part. 00:19:45.119 --> 00:20:02.400 Then as we moved along, and I moved from Germany to America, where I started my business, a performing art school, then I realized, oh, I'm teaching more than just acting, dance, and music. 00:20:02.640 --> 00:20:04.720 I'm teaching life lessons. 00:20:04.960 --> 00:20:10.799 I am making a difference in people's lives. 00:20:11.519 --> 00:20:14.720 Kids, teenagers, adults. 00:20:15.119 --> 00:20:19.759 And that was the more fulfilling part. 00:20:20.240 --> 00:20:23.680 Of course it was fulfilling to see a show. 00:20:23.920 --> 00:20:25.599 We produce two shows a year. 00:20:25.759 --> 00:20:36.880 And it's just wonderful because that's the creative part that's within me to putting on a show, creating the script and so forth. 00:20:37.359 --> 00:20:55.920 But seeing students blossom, and especially if someone who came in very shy, never wanted to speak a word, all of a sudden starts standing up, speaking, being confident, right? 00:20:56.559 --> 00:21:03.200 So that is when I learned confidence is super important for everything in life. 00:21:03.519 --> 00:21:06.079 And that was that part. 00:21:06.880 --> 00:21:10.720 And then there came another part, that spiritual part. 00:21:11.599 --> 00:21:26.559 And through each life season, I also became wiser, and the people you surround yourself with are playing a big part of it. 00:21:27.200 --> 00:21:41.599 And I had the fortune to marry my best friend, and that in and of itself, he is that deep spiritual person. 00:21:41.759 --> 00:21:44.880 We we what's the word that I'm looking for? 00:21:45.279 --> 00:21:47.440 Complement each other very well. 00:21:47.839 --> 00:21:53.359 I give him my spark, and he gives me his calmness. 00:21:54.319 --> 00:22:03.440 And through that experience, in and of itself, I Grew so much as a human being. 00:22:03.680 --> 00:22:23.599 And then the spiritual journey that came along, where I discovered that there was so much more within each one of us, and of course, in within me that I need to quote unquote use in a better way to make a difference. 00:22:23.920 --> 00:22:37.680 So there was a little bit of a longer answer, but because it really has those seasons in which we grow and in which we become our next greater self. 00:22:37.839 --> 00:22:39.200 And that is the point. 00:22:39.440 --> 00:22:52.880 We always becoming, and we always become our next greater self with each experience, with each person we meet, with every uh adventure we take until we leave this planet. 00:22:53.200 --> 00:22:54.559 That's amazing. 00:22:54.880 --> 00:23:06.640 It's such a beautiful thing to find that right partner, the person, like you said, who compliments you and balances you. 00:23:07.039 --> 00:23:14.480 You know, a lot of things in life have a way of throwing unexpected challenges our way. 00:23:14.880 --> 00:23:21.039 Was there ever a moment in your journey where you had to choose courage over comfort? 00:23:21.279 --> 00:23:26.640 And how did that shape who you are today? 00:23:27.039 --> 00:23:32.240 I would say there were more than just one instance. 00:23:33.119 --> 00:23:38.960 There were several where I had to choose courage over comfort. 00:23:39.680 --> 00:23:54.240 And when starting out being an actress, a performer, you have to step out your comfort zone if you play a role that is challenging. 00:23:54.480 --> 00:23:56.799 Or if you're auditioning, right? 00:23:57.920 --> 00:24:05.759 But I guess one of the biggest parts were stepping into the unknown. 00:24:06.079 --> 00:24:18.000 When I auditioned for the first time for an acting school, I had you no idea, but I was so passionate about and so excited about it that I just went for it. 00:24:18.240 --> 00:24:31.680 The next one was where I had to make a decision where to

live with my husband because he is American. 00:24:31.839 --> 00:24:35.039 We met during the European tour of Fiddler on the Roof. 00:24:35.279 --> 00:24:45.440 The dancers came from New York, and the lead roles, the performers came from Germany, Austria, and Switzerland. 00:24:45.839 --> 00:24:57.119 So he lived in Germany for a while, and we were directors, you know, flying to different vacation spots, putting on shows. 00:24:57.519 --> 00:25:01.839 But there was always the question: where do we settle down? 00:25:02.160 --> 00:25:02.799 Right? 00:25:03.200 --> 00:25:10.799 And of course, living in a country that you know that you're comfortable with, and you have the family and friends there. 00:25:11.279 --> 00:25:20.400 The thought of moving to America was somewhat frightening and somewhat, I oh, I don't know. 00:25:21.039 --> 00:25:26.960 But then again, life is happening for you. 00:25:27.599 --> 00:25:32.400 And it it was a very sad time in my life. 00:25:32.720 --> 00:25:39.839 I just came back from producing a show in Austria, and I was visiting my mom. 00:25:40.240 --> 00:25:42.480 And I still remember that day. 00:25:42.559 --> 00:25:55.839 I went up the stairs and where she lived in the apartment, and so her smile greeted me, and I had sauerkraut and and and meat and knudel. 00:25:56.000 --> 00:26:01.680 It was a traditional meal, it was kind of the leftover from Sunday, it was a Monday, and we chatted. 00:26:01.839 --> 00:26:04.799 And my mum was the the biggest supporter. 00:26:05.039 --> 00:26:07.920 She saw every every play. 00:26:08.079 --> 00:26:16.960 She doesn't matter if I was in Austria, she even uh traveled to Turkey where I was producing a show. 00:26:17.519 --> 00:26:24.559 So and the next day, it was like six o'clock in the morning, doorbell rang. 00:26:24.720 --> 00:26:26.240 So who can that be? 00:26:26.559 --> 00:26:37.920 My dad stood in front of the door, and that was weird because he never comes alone, let alone this early in the morning. 00:26:38.240 --> 00:26:45.119 But on her face, or on his face, I could see that something must have happened. 00:26:45.359 --> 00:26:52.799 And then he gave me the devastating message that my mother has passed away that night. 00:26:53.119 --> 00:27:02.559 And I was like, I was like, I I couldn't say anything, but I knew I had to be strong. 00:27:03.119 --> 00:27:06.559 So I had a younger sister and an older sister. 00:27:06.880 --> 00:27:16.400 So immediately my leadership role or the leader that was within me took over. 00:27:16.640 --> 00:27:23.279 The director, the leader, the strong person that I always played in life. 00:27:23.759 --> 00:27:31.359 And I wanted to make sure that my baby sister was taken care of, who just gave birth to her first child. 00:27:32.000 --> 00:27:35.359 And uh it was just so devastating. 00:27:35.519 --> 00:27:51.839 And there were a couple other things that happened at the same time, but long story short, that very moment or that very situation where I felt so out of bound. 00:27:52.000 --> 00:28:04.480 And after everything was done, the funeral was done, and I had to go through some health challenges where I that I faced alone, I felt so on a crossroad. 00:28:04.880 --> 00:28:08.079 Okay, what am I doing now? 00:28:08.720 --> 00:28:18.079 I lost someone who was so close to my heart and that hurt, and I just wanted to run away, you know. 00:28:18.240 --> 00:28:21.759 In retrospect, that's what it was for me. 00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:31.039 And it was something like, you know, now I'm ready to move to America because I just don't want to look at this. 00:28:31.599 --> 00:28:43.440 And at the same time, it was it was scary because it's a new language, even though I I spoke English, not very well, but I spoke English. 00:28:43.519 --> 00:28:50.079 But building a business there, have no family, no friends, my husband's family was there. 00:28:50.240 --> 00:28:51.359 That was one thing. 00:28:51.680 --> 00:29:15.519 So I I know it was a long answer to your question, but I wanted to make sure to bring across sometimes things happen for you, and it doesn't change the uncomfort, but you have to have that courage to say yes to something and then make a decision and say yes and stick with that. 00:29:15.839 --> 00:29:19.680 But that was the biggest one for me. 00:29:20.240 --> 00:29:22.960 Like your long stories, it's good. 00:29:23.119 --> 00:29:42.880 I thank you, because you really the way you share the story and you explain it, it really paints the picture and put things into perspective and it gives us some context and some some texture is the word that I'm thinking of. 00:29:43.039 --> 00:29:43.440 Yes. 00:29:43.680 --> 00:29:47.039 Um, to what you're what you're sharing. 00:29:47.200 --> 00:29:50.480 So uh definitely don't apologize for being long. 00:29:50.799 --> 00:29:56.960 No, well, that's that's that's why they call me the storytelling dame from Germany. 00:29:57.359 --> 00:30:04.880 Yeah, you know, so many people have incredible stories, and a lot of times they're afraid to share them. 00:30:05.200 --> 00:30:11.680 Yes, and that is what I do today, and I'm so passionate about. 00:30:12.240 --> 00:30:15.200 I help people find their voice. 00:30:15.440 --> 00:30:22.720 We all have voices, and by that I mean in real life, find your voice. 00:30:22.880 --> 00:30:55.039 Some are very, very quiet, but more the way you share your story, and especially entrepreneurs in the entrepreneurial world, when you know how to share your story in the most effective way that makes sense and that connects to the goal that you have, you are so far ahead of everyone else. 00:30:55.440 --> 00:31:03.680 And I have a framework that I share, it's called the SET Framework. 00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:12.799 So let me explain that for your listeners because if you listen to this podcast, I always want to give some value. 00:31:13.359 --> 00:31:17.839 So when you are off the podcast, you can apply that. 00:31:18.319

--> 00:31:25.680 When we set, of course, I take a lot of the metaphors from my background, right? 00:31:25.839 --> 00:31:29.039 Like stepping into the spotlight and a set. 00:31:29.119 --> 00:31:34.640 Yeah, a set in theater or in the movie is the first impression that we have. 00:31:34.799 --> 00:31:47.759 When we come to a theater, curtain opens, we see a set, and that tells us exactly where we are, what is the mood, what is the time, who are the characters, is it cold, is it hot? 00:31:48.079 --> 00:31:53.839 And that gets already an impression and a feeling that creates a feeling. 00:31:54.079 --> 00:32:02.400 So I use that same metaphor, and each letter stands for something, it's an acronym. 00:32:02.559 --> 00:32:05.440 So the S stands for story. 00:32:06.079 --> 00:32:22.240 So the story is the one that connects everything, and with a story, we're not just telling a story to tell a story, the story is supposed to create emotions, right? 00:32:22.720 --> 00:32:24.880 That's what the E stands for. 00:32:25.200 --> 00:32:29.359 But let me go back to the story in and of itself. 00:32:29.839 --> 00:32:32.319 We are wired for stories. 00:32:32.640 --> 00:32:38.400 This is how we communicated hundreds, thousands of years ago. 00:32:38.640 --> 00:32:43.119 This is this was the only way before the written word, before anything else. 00:32:43.279 --> 00:32:44.240 We told stories. 00:32:44.319 --> 00:32:59.359 We sat around the fire, and then we told a story, and even some of the stories related history, others say, watch out, don't go around that dark corner, there's a wild animal, so don't go there, right? 00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:11.839 And we still to this day are somewhat wired to listen to stories, and as you mentioned, it was so good. 00:33:12.160 --> 00:33:20.240 You you were interested, and then it creates that emotion because I set it up, I set the scene. 00:33:20.480 --> 00:33:21.279 How was it? 00:33:21.440 --> 00:33:22.880 Where was I, right? 00:33:23.440 --> 00:33:26.559 And that created a certain emotion. 00:33:26.960 --> 00:33:32.319 Now, the T that's the last one in that framework, stands for tie. 00:33:32.640 --> 00:33:34.960 We have to tie it together. 00:33:35.200 --> 00:33:43.359 Just telling a story and creating emotion and then let it float into the nowhere is not good enough. 00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:56.799 We have to tie together to either what we want to convey, the maybe the offer that we have, maybe tying it to a teaching point. 00:33:57.599 --> 00:34:04.720 And when we do that, if you teach something, always have a story because people remember that. 00:34:04.960 --> 00:34:13.519 When I give my keynotes, they are stories, you bet they are, and people remember that. 00:34:13.840 --> 00:34:21.280 Now it's not just do ABC and do this and that, and it's abstract. 00:34:21.519 --> 00:34:29.280 No, there's a story tied to it, and this is the power of storytelling. 00:34:29.599 --> 00:34:41.679 When you incorporate a story in your talks, in your presentations, and do it the right way that connects to the outcome the audience wants to see. 00:34:42.079 --> 00:34:50.000 Maybe there is a sale at the end, or maybe there is a you want to get some some leads into your universe. 00:34:50.239 --> 00:34:57.840 If you do it in a certain particular way, you don't have to sell anything any longer. 00:34:58.079 --> 00:35:06.239 And that is the beauty of it, and that's what I help people today is how extract this story. 00:35:06.480 --> 00:35:13.440 Because sometimes people don't people come to me and say, Sabina, oh, I don't have a story. 00:35:13.599 --> 00:35:14.639 Yes, you do. 00:35:14.960 --> 00:35:19.360 You have tens of thousands of stories throughout your lifetime. 00:35:19.519 --> 00:35:24.079 And the good thing is no one can say it or no one can tell it better than you do. 00:35:24.239 --> 00:35:29.599 And of course, I'm also helping them with the presentation skills because that's another way. 00:35:29.760 --> 00:35:32.239 You have to to learn that as well, right? 00:35:32.400 --> 00:35:38.159 So, but anyways, that is why stories are so super important. 00:35:39.119 --> 00:35:53.280 Yeah, I was just I I was just thinking that that you've yeah, you've got to, I'm sure you have people coming to you who need advice or they're asking for advice, especially if they think their story doesn't matter. 00:35:53.440 --> 00:36:00.880 You help them to tell their stories, to understand that they have a story and that it matters. 00:36:01.280 --> 00:36:02.159 Correct. 00:36:02.559 --> 00:36:23.679 And for most people, they think that I don't have to give something, but they are so I mean everyone has something, and even you don't have to be on a stage, you don't even have to be an entrepreneur or a business owner. 00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:28.719 Your story matters if you have a conversation with your friend. 00:36:29.039 --> 00:36:31.039 I was just gonna I was just thinking that. 00:36:31.119 --> 00:36:41.760 Like, how do you even like how do you help people to even become more intentional in their everyday lives or in their everyday conversations? 00:36:42.400 --> 00:36:46.559 Oh, it it's it's super important. 00:36:47.679 --> 00:36:57.039 So I had a conversation with a friend, and she shared with me some of the challenges that she was facing. 00:36:57.679 --> 00:37:16.320 And boom, right there, I had a story that was related to the challenge that she faced, and I shared it, and she was able to understand why she had this challenge. 00:37:16.559 --> 00:37:18.800 You see, that is the difference. 00:37:19.280 --> 00:37:39.360 All of a sudden, oh, and then she feels not alone, you see, and this is what what what I do with my podcast, so people who listen to it can identify with some of them and say, Oh, oh yeah, that makes so much sense. 00:37:39.519 --> 00:37:40.880 I can apply that too. 00:37:41.039 --> 00:37:43.920 I'm not the only one who struggles with this, right? 00:37:44.480 -->

00:37:48.079 And um, yeah, everybody can do it. 00:37:48.239 --> 00:37:49.760 You can have a friend. 00:37:50.079 --> 00:37:53.760 I have another question to go with that. 00:37:54.000 --> 00:37:55.360 What about the people? 00:37:55.679 --> 00:38:04.559 So you you've talked about the people who maybe they don't feel so alone when they hear the story or someone else's story or something like that. 00:38:04.800 --> 00:38:11.360 But what about the people who feel like they can't relate and they go, that doesn't apply to me? 00:38:11.679 --> 00:38:17.199 So when when they listen to a podcast or just listen to the story? 00:38:17.519 --> 00:38:33.039 When they listen to the story, okay, and the person can't make the connection or relate, or they kind of think, this doesn't have anything to do with me, or I've never experienced that before, or this doesn't apply to me. 00:38:33.360 --> 00:38:37.440 Okay, so here's the good thing about stories. 00:38:38.000 --> 00:38:55.840 You may not see yourself in that story if the person tells that, but you may have a friend, you may have a spouse, you have your children, and then you see that person in that story, and now you can help that person, right? 00:38:56.480 --> 00:39:06.079 And and when I share like my stories, okay, sometimes I share other people's stories, right? 00:39:06.960 --> 00:39:17.760 And you always have to make sure to tie it to something, even if that story doesn't relate to you. 00:39:17.920 --> 00:39:27.039 To give you an example, and that's also another chapter I share in my book, Gum Chin, and I call it the invisible stage. 00:39:27.920 --> 00:39:50.079 Now, I discovered what I learned about the invisible stage during my time as an actress, and I'm not gonna tell the story now, but I had to prepare for a role that I wanted to get months and months and months in advance. 00:39:50.400 --> 00:39:54.400 The audition took about five minutes, right? 00:39:55.360 --> 00:40:07.280 But that five minutes or the months of unseen practices made those five minutes worthwhile. 00:40:07.519 --> 00:40:26.960 And I'm sharing the story to demonstrate that we have to work in the unseen moments, we have to master the moments no one sees, to lead the moments everyone remembers. 00:40:27.280 --> 00:40:35.039 Now, that person cannot relate to it as far as, hey, yeah, I'm not an actor, right? 00:40:35.440 --> 00:40:40.880 But what they can relate to is the message that I have, right? 00:40:41.599 --> 00:40:50.079 Master the moments no one sees, and I always bring it, tying it together to the audience. 00:40:50.320 --> 00:41:01.599 When I shared the story just recently, there were like hundreds of people in the audience, but everyone, first of all, and that's the power of story. 00:41:01.760 --> 00:41:11.440 When I said, or I entered the stage, everyone saw a different stage because it's in their mind. 00:41:11.679 --> 00:41:20.800 That's the power of storytelling, and then everyone could relate to it because I

said we have to prepare. 00:41:21.199 --> 00:41:28.079 Now, everyone in life has to prepare for something, right? 00:41:28.559 --> 00:41:36.719 So that is the power of stories, even if it's not directly related to it. 00:41:36.960 --> 00:41:42.079 Number one, you can put it into your life, into your business. 00:41:42.400 --> 00:41:47.599 Number two, you can relate to it because you see it in other people. 00:41:48.000 --> 00:41:55.440 That just gave me chills, and I love what you said about mastering the moments no one ever sees. 00:41:56.079 --> 00:42:13.840 Because people see the highlight reels all day long on people's social media, but they don't know all the work and the preparation that went into whatever that achievement was, or that that business that is now successful. 00:42:14.000 --> 00:42:22.719 There's a lot of businesses that get started on late nights and evenings and weekends and hotel Wi-Fi. 00:42:23.280 --> 00:42:24.719 You're so right. 00:42:25.360 --> 00:42:30.400 And and and that is a powerful point that you made there. 00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:32.559 We have to prepare. 00:42:32.719 --> 00:42:59.280 And let me tell you, where I am today, it was years in the making, years and years and years, and even though I was a performer, I was not afraid to speak on stages, I could tell you stories all day long, but I had to learn how to put it into the business world. 00:42:59.599 --> 00:43:12.400 I had to learn from other coaches, other mentors, other people who already mastered it, to now do what I do. 00:43:12.639 --> 00:43:15.360 And this is another thing, what you said there. 00:43:15.920 --> 00:43:20.800 Yeah, those late nights and and figuring things out. 00:43:20.960 --> 00:43:45.280 And my biggest piece of advice I can give someone today, if you want to either start a business, if you want to learn how to speak, whatever it is, whatever your objective is, get help. 00:43:46.000 --> 00:43:53.039 And get help from someone who's already doing what you want to do. 00:43:53.360 --> 00:43:59.440 Be cautious of getting help from your best friend, right, who has never. 00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:05.760 Spoken on stages, but all of a sudden wants to give you advice how to become a great speaker, right? 00:44:06.239 --> 00:44:09.519 Just as an example, it goes into many other things. 00:44:09.840 --> 00:44:11.599 Always find something. 00:44:11.920 --> 00:44:14.239 And here is another piece of advice. 00:44:14.320 --> 00:44:18.960 And take it from me because I have done many of those mistakes. 00:44:19.199 --> 00:44:25.360 And especially me being that strong woman, I can figure it out on my own. 00:44:25.599 --> 00:44:32.880 And that takes a long time, a lot of headaches and heartaches, and a lot of missed opportunities. 00:44:33.039 --> 00:44:43.840 And by that I mean I could have made money so much earlier if I would have invested in myself, getting the right coach, right? 00:44:44.400 --> 00:44:51.920 So think about the cost that you would have when you don't get the help. 00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:53.920 And I get it. 00:44:54.079 --> 00:45:01.199 And especially when you start out, you're on a oftentimes, not always, oftentimes you're on a shoestring budget. 00:45:01.599 --> 00:45:08.400 And yes, if you have that, you have to listen to more free stuff, get some more free stuff. 00:45:08.719 --> 00:45:19.039 That takes a long time because you have to figure things out and go through all those things, and there's another danger in it because this person says this. 00:45:19.280 --> 00:45:20.159 Oh, yeah, that's good. 00:45:20.239 --> 00:45:27.199 Oh, there's another person or another strategy or another something, and then you go for this a little bit. 00:45:27.440 --> 00:45:33.199 Oh, there's another thing, and that takes so much energy and time. 00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:37.920 So make sure to find someone. 00:45:38.079 --> 00:45:49.679 And I don't care if it's me, if it's you, Pauline, or if it's anybody else, just find someone that you can relate to and then check them out. 00:45:49.840 --> 00:45:56.239 Follow them, see what they are doing, see if that energy aligns with you. 00:45:56.639 --> 00:46:02.800 And if this is the case, then figure out how they can help you. 00:46:03.280 --> 00:46:16.159 You will cut so much time that will get you faster to where you want to go and perhaps faster the income, what we call the return of investment. 00:46:16.559 --> 00:46:17.760 I love that. 00:46:18.000 --> 00:46:20.239 And I have one more question. 00:46:20.880 --> 00:46:31.519 When someone finishes reading Gumption, what do you hope they carry with them long after they've turned the last page? 00:46:31.920 --> 00:46:40.880 I hope that they always carry the well, they will get each one will get different things out of it. 00:46:41.039 --> 00:46:44.639 And that's how I wrote this book. 00:46:44.880 --> 00:46:48.000 It's not to say do this, do that, do that. 00:46:48.239 --> 00:46:48.559 No. 00:46:48.880 --> 00:46:51.119 It's I give invitations. 00:46:52.159 --> 00:47:00.400 And the good thing is that you may get something different out of this chapter than someone else. 00:47:00.960 --> 00:47:12.960 And whatever you learn from it or you get aha moments, the one thing take action, be bold. 00:47:13.519 --> 00:47:26.480 And as my tagline says, be open to those sacred whispers, because that is an energy that is something we cannot see, but just be open to it. 00:47:26.960 --> 00:47:31.679 And that is the to intuition that guided me for all my life. 00:47:31.920 --> 00:47:39.360 And when you feel something, discernment comes in, yes, but sometimes just gonna go for it. 00:47:39.679 --> 00:47:51.440 And even if you fail, it's okay, because that just showed you one thing that didn't work, but don't stop, take another path. 00:47:51.920 --> 00:48:00.880 So, to sum it up, whatever you feel, take action with gumption. 00:48:01.519 --> 00:48:02.639 That's amazing. 00:48:02.880 --> 00:48:06.719 So, if anybody wants to get in touch with you, how can they do that? 00:48:07.039 --> 00:48:10.960 Just follow me on on social media. 00:48:11.199 --> 00:48:15.519 My name is right there, Sabine Kavenberg.com. 00:48:16.159 --> 00:48:26.000 And if you want to have some resources for what I do have a free kit that I want to give away, and that is the accompany guide from Gumpchen. 00:48:26.239 --> 00:48:31.280 So there is a bold move kit, and you can download it on my resource page. 00:48:31.599 --> 00:48:48.000 And if anything spoke to you today, and you feel you would love to learn more and perhaps learn how we could work together, you can always schedule a time on my calendar. 00:48:48.239 --> 00:48:52.719 Just go to talk to Sabine.com. 00:48:53.199 --> 00:49:02.000 I'll share those links in the show notes so that everyone can access your site and find you on social media. 00:49:02.159 --> 00:49:03.119 Just want to let you know. 00:49:03.199 --> 00:49:06.159 I'll share those links in the in the show notes. 00:49:06.480 --> 00:49:12.480 Sabina, thank you so much for sharing your heart and your story with us today. 00:49:12.719 --> 00:49:23.360 One of the things I appreciate most about you is that you remind us courage is not reserved for extraordinary people. 00:49:23.679 --> 00:49:31.440 It's something we cultivate, one choice, one conversation, and one step of faith at a time. 00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:43.760 If today's conversation inspired you, I encourage you to pick up a copy of Sabina's brand new book, Gumption: Sacred Whispers, Bold Moves, and the Courage to Become. 00:49:44.239 --> 00:49:56.880 Whether you're navigating a life transition, pursuing a dream, or simply looking for the courage to take your next step, I think you'll find encouragement and wisdom within its pages. 00:49:57.199 --> 00:50:14.400 If you're looking for an engaging keynote speaker or someone to help your organization communicate more effectively, build confidence, and create lasting impact, be sure to connect with Sabina through Impact Communication Coaching. 00:50:14.719 --> 00:50:23.199 Her presentations and coaching have inspired leaders, entrepreneurs, and organizations around the world. 00:50:23.519 --> 00:50:28.079 Thank you for joining us for another episode of the Pauline Chilton Show. 00:50:28.239 --> 00:50:39.599 If you enjoyed today's conversation, please subscribe, leave a review, and share this episode with someone who could use a little more courage in their life. 00:50:39.760 --> 00:50:43.519 Until next time, take care of yourself and be kind to one another. 00:50:43.679 --> 00:50:47.920 And remember, you don't have to have all the answers today. 00:50:48.239 --> 00:50:53.679 Sometimes all it takes is the courage to take the very next step.