# Nora Bateson

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Fractal Magic

Surprise! A podcast. An audio experiment. An outlet for ideas asking to be shared. Take a listen. — Some relevant links: Some cool fractal facts. I learned about fractals from adrienne maree brown’s book Emergent Strategy. When I read about them I said, “Ahhh! Yes!” I suspect fractal magic is g…

Combining Paradox, Evolving Language, and Contextual Warm Data with Nora Bateson and Lisa Maroski

Today we are going to be combining paradox, evolving language, and contextual “warm data. “ Combining is the title of Nora Bateson’s latest book, and Embracing Paradox, Evolving Language is Lisa Maroski’s latest offering. They will be our two guests, and I am tingling with anticipation. What are we…

S01.03: READY FOR BOTS? [solo]

AI is all the rage, but it's time to reintroduce robots into the mainstream technology conversation. The market for humanoid robots is projected to reach 5 trillion by 2050. Geopolitical races are intensifying. Elon won’t stop talking about Optimus 3. And while I hate to admit it, he has a tendency…

The Future of Systems Thinking | Nora Bateson on Her New Book Belly, Intimacy & Interdependence

What if the greatest challenges facing humanity cannot be solved by better answers—but by learning to ask different questions?In this episode of Conversations with Dr. Wes, I sit down with one of the world's most original thinkers, Nora Bateson—award-winning filmmaker, writer, founder of Warm Data,…

The Future of Schooling in the Age of AI - A Conversation with Nora Bateson, Dr. Zak Stein and Olli-Pekka Heinonen

What are the questions we should be asking of the radically new and rapidly accelerating technologies that we are all living with now? Where are the possibilities? What are we hungry for? Where are the challenges and dangers? What are our responsibilities as care-givers, parents, educators and poli…

AITP 002 — The Self as a Set of Relations with Manda Scott

Manda Scott traces the self as a set of relations: to body, to earth, to the wider web of life. The conversation moves through the neurophysiology of story, Nora Bateson’s wide-boundary thinking, Donella Meadows’s hierarchy of leverage points, and the two tasks Manda names as the core of shamanic w…

Moving Beyond Binaries in Education - A Conversation with Andrea Hiott and Tim Logan for Future Learning Design

This bonus episode features a conversation with Tim Logan and Andrea Hiott from Tim’s wonderful podcast Future Learning Design (check it out here). In this lively conversation, Tim and Andrea discuss advancements and challenges in education and look towards new conceptions of what education might m…

What Does Adult Mean?

This episode starts a conversation series with Erin Morper, and in this one we begin by talking about what adult means. That leads us to what we learn about self expression, unspoken agreements, and how we control our bodies and our environments. We talk about forms of control, monoculture, the way…

What Ingela Svedin taught me about fixing broken systems

We talk a lot about the “metacrisis” here but what if that just isn’t a healthy way to find our way towards a better society? What if focusing on problems just creates more problems and keeps us from finding solutions not just independently but in our existing systems? In this conversation I talked…

Episode 49 Featuring Nora Bateson and Leslie Thulin Eubanks

Our Serptember 2026 episode features author, filmmaker, and educator Nora Bateson, who is president of the International Bateson Institute, as well as an IGS trustee, and Nora's editor and warm data associate Leslie Thulin Eubanks. In conversation with IGS President Lance Strate, they discuss the u…