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point favorites you beat him by 73 So out about you Greg But I think being the spread by 39 points for the entire game and almost 23 points to the first half you definitely outkicked what you were expecting for sure absolutely I know when we were doing our preview last week and we were talking about how big the spread was and Ethan even came out and said that it probably was pretty low given the opponent Uh I feel like yeah Ethan was 100 right in in that regard And uh yeah and I think you know some of that was just due to the performance that state had two weeks before So I think you know Vegas was taking it kind of a wait and see approach Uh this week will be you know you you you're like a three game series You lost the first one won the first one Alright that's definitely the definition of Jekyll and Hyde on those two games So which which which version are we gonna get come Saturday down in Tennessee or I guess out in Tennessee Yeah so Ethan I know uh uh first of all in our uh awesome Patreon which if you haven't checked it out yet make sure to go click link down description below If you want more members only content only$5 a month you get three members only videos a week 12 videos a month I know Ethan you've talked a little bit already kind of giving your thoughts on the Richmond game So if you want to check out more of Ethan's thoughts make sure to go check out our Patreon But I know you put out a couple of stats you know which you know gotta always you know talk about CJ Bailey right Ethan You know we just never talk about him enough but what were your what were your thoughts you know if you can kind of give the people a little bit of insight here on CJ's performance first thing that stood out to me was what was asked of him was completely different in this game than it was in the in against Virginia I thought against Virginia he was asked to um run a ton of Rpos which I I I don't think he was good at last year And to the point where you saw and see state get rid of them And last week you saw not last week but against Virginia you saw them bring the Rpos back So I don't remember seeing a single reed Uh I think they were they were all either handoffs called handoffs are called passplace so I I thought that was beneficial for state um specifically for Bailey Obviously I I don't know like I I talked about wanting to see him being willing to throw the ball down the field which I think we did see like he he threw the ball down the field at least for me more than I was expecting him to I think more than we've seen him do that in the past I think his average depth of target so far this year is like 12 whereas the last few years it's been like around eight So that's been nice Um I I didn't think it was great throwing the ball down the field but again he tried and I and I give you an example the pass interference that was called against Keenan Jackson Um I wanna say was in the first quarter before the delay I don't know if you guys remember the play

I'm talking about but he threw he threw It was a deep ball to the end zone how about the end zone right yeah for Kean and Jackson Yeah and it wasn't a good throw It was behind him felt like it should have been a touchdown but you gotta pass interference out of it and that's kind of the that's kind of the point It's like okay you know I I I'm not gonna expect every deep ball to be perfect right That's hard to ask You're throwing the ball 30 40 yards down the field but good stuff can still happen And in that scenario you drew a pass interference right Like that's the kind of stuff you'll take So again not a great throw from Bailey but I like that's the kind of stuff I wanna see um being aggressive Like that's how you can create big plays and so um obviously he was he was good on the ground um I don't know I I don't have any sweeping takeaways for Bailey in this game Like I I think he would do what he was supposed to do And if there's one thing that's encouraging to me is that they got rid of all the option plays I don't think I don't think those are what else he states good at So I have more confidence in NC State going forward just if they're not gonna call those And so for me that's kind of the biggest thing other than that I think he did what he was supposed to do Um and as we've seen him play in these against overmatch teams in these type of games He's been really good Yeah yeah it it it seemed like in this game making that uh this defenders were just kind of melting off of Duke Scott the entire game Uh would you say that was more of a testament to Duke or more of a non testament towards Richmond You know honestly we're kind of going back to the uh the coach the quote that the coach had uh for Richmond actually think it's probably more test by Richmond I just don't think they they were really defensively ready for NC State I think Du Scott is a as a fine running back don't get me wrong I just think I just think Richmond was just not ready mentally um probably for that game or anything And um but do Scots obviously that the fact that they were falling off of him you know just shutting off the tacklers Like that was it's a good running back What you know is one who would kind of do that I mean so I'm not I I feel good about Duke Scott but I think it's more of a statement about Richmond just not being ready for this game which is fine I mean it's a wins a win So yeah so Greg for this game you know NC State had 700 and thirty four total yards of offense which is a school record And then Richmond which by the way to 734 total yards averaged 10.6 yards per play on the defensive side I think about this And Richmond had 110 total yards of offense average 2.2 yards per play only a 34 rushing yards on 22 carries and then went 8 8 for 27 in the air only 76 yards passing and and defense for six three and outs So leaving this game Greg I mean you know can you you know pick you know just like the small things And and would you say you were more impressed defensively or offensively or is it just they are both just near perfect and just leave it at that at this point Based off of two games I think the defense is slightly ahead of the offense I definitely feel a little bit better about the defense than the offense Uh outside of you know the I mean I don't think there's questions at quarterback but you could make the argument There are questions at quarterback um the running back like who's gonna play quarterback No no like oh oh oh have we seen the have we seen the best of CJ is what I'm kind of getting at Like yeah yeah yeah um yeah okay um you know I don't think there's a quarterback controversy though people on social media would like to think that there might be with the way Will Wilson played on Friday night But you know he was playing against their second team and we decimated the first team But anyway that's conversation for another day I still have questions about wide receiving other than Keenan Jackson Who's gonna step up who's gonna be like it's pretty obvious at this point that Keenan Jackson's is is his go to number one guy I I think that's fair fair to safe to say um the rest of the guys I'm not sure what that what that is I there's still questions that like who's tied in No 1 Um you didn't see anything from Plude this game where you know you saw a little bit more him flashing in Game 1 Um so yeah I think it's the defense I think the defense was very solid The secondary was very good Um you saw them pressing coverage more um denying just about everything And again some of that is the talent level Uh you could definitely see the disparity there between the two teams but I definitely felt like the defense was was on point on Friday Greg I'm with you I I think the defense has looked better to me I was surprised to see when you look at the ratings and the models s P+ the offense is way at this point after two weeks way ahead of the defense by about 25 spots on on different sites That really doesn't feel that though cause yeah no it doesn't feel that way at all So I I don't I don't know why that is I I don't know because it's a head scratcher for me too I just kinda thought we throw because I'm with you Yeah you are everything but I mean at the same time you're only giving up 17 But yeah exactly That's like a home run hitter who hits two home runs of the first two games of the season He's on track for 300 home runs for the season Like let's let's let's let the averages play out here Like let's not get too crazy Come on Yeah yeah no I mean listen I think it cause I think the biggest story for me and I know in our private chat Ethan we were talking about here But Victor Snow I mean 1 1 catch uh you know the whole game here when you know especially going into the season a lot of people including even the coaching staff from the pre season you know press conferences definitely highlighted Victor Snow and even mobile saying he's he's a dog man And so I don't know like do you think this is us You

know do you think this is the norm or do you think this is just you know I don't know just kind of what you really take of Victor Snow's involvement in the offense through two games Can I be mean or do you want me to be nice Be honest I I I at least for me I'm it doesn't surprise me at all This is what we've seen NC State do Yep you rotate receivers And and when it's your week it's gonna be your week This week it was Keenan Jackson Um is it a head scratcher that you brought Victor Snow in I I like I don't think people really have like understand And I'm not saying this is like a knock but like I don't think people fully grasp how good Victor Snow was at Buffalo before coming As he say I mean this is due to his 15 career yards and like should be a No 1 feature for you yeah should be featured And so I've watched NC State's wide receiver room for Joker Phillips going on what four or five years now No I'm not it's a joke Yeah yeah no it it's I don't know that's it's kind of he is second on the team and passing in routes run basically So whatever you make of that I guess but maybe we should throw him the ball Like yeah certainly could be it I don't know It's a head scratcher because to me he's a guy where you say we are going to get the ball in this dude's hands every like 10+ times a game whether he whether he wants to or not and so far he's at two catches and he went out there with the twos Did you guys notice that Yep when first play is the second half Why do you think that is I'm curious why do you think that is probably just trying to get him involved Can we can we must he had them for this podcast and ask him well and that's how you mention yeah let's not forget that you know his his bread and butter right now is special teams And he had a muff on on a putt return And and so if you're if you're if you're gonna have doubts about that where do you where does he fit does he fit I I'm I'm not sure because he he kind of reminds you his stature kind of reminds you of a Casey conception And you would think maybe that that would be the role that they would try to carve out in this type of offense But it's just not it's just not there for whatever reason right now And I'm not I'm not sure why and then JoJo traitor same thing um now he did have 52 you know 52 yards on three receptions but one of them was basically a jet sweep that counts as a reception Um that you know that was one of his bigger plays but you know he hasn't really been truly involved So again like I goes back to my point earlier What what are we gonna get from this wide receiving core minus Keenan Jackson Cause we already know what he what what his abilities are yeah it's fair question And uh again we'll talk a little bit more here and and a little bit here about the Vanderbilt game And kind of what does this mean here for the Vanderbilt game here Um but with that being said though we always love a little bit of stats and the best place to get our stats is going through going over to Ethan Stat Pack so let's on jump on over here to eat Stat Pack Alrighty here Mr Ethan what you got for us tonight Yeah I I wanted to highlight the the running game Um because I think if I'm looking at NC State's offense I think that is the most sustainable part of what NC State has did this week against Richmond I would throw Virginia out there too but they didn't really run the ball Well first start first part when you're running the ball obviously you start with the offensive line NC State is in the 80th percentile uh from game this is from game on paper at 2.86 offensive line yards created per per carry So basically the offense is getting you 2.8 yards per carry That doesn't matter Like that doesn't include what the running backs gonna do You know after that they are blocking basically almost three yards per play for you And that is in the 30th excuse me in the 80th percentile The Richmond numbers are not included in that cause they only do FBS versus FBS games But against Richmond the offense line was at 3.7 So you think about that you're at 2.8 against Virginia which is in the 80th percentile and then you created a whole another yard on top of that against Richmond So like for me again what's the most sustainable part of NC States offense right now That's where I go that's where I go and you know they weren't as good they did allow nine hurries 10 pressures against Richmond which I think is more than you would like against a team like that But overall I thought they they blocked very well on the ground in these two games And then the other part that I wanted to touch on here obviously is the running backs You guys wanna have take a guess at how many missed tackles Richmond had Oh man I'm gonna say like close to 30 The number that the number that I was thinking was 24 That was my number making those good Guess those 29 29 Miss Tacos horse which again like if I'm sitting here saying And Greg you mentioned what Richmond's coach said where he was like yeah what an embarrassed we embarrassed ourselves that's what he's talking about that's what he's talking about right like I think against Virginia's the number was 4 5 which is a low number But like you get up to 10 missed tackles forced in a game I think you're feeling pretty good about that 29 And to me I just kind of wonder like hey you feel great about that here I wonder is that more about Richmond than it is about NC State That's kind of that's kind of where I go with that And that's why I focus on the offensive line Because I look at the offensive line and say hey the offensive line is getting me two and a half 3 4 yards per carry I can work with that right I can build on that So 29 missed tackles forced and that's just from NC States running backs That doesn't even include um you know the receivers after the catch And that accounted for 359 yards after contact 8.35 yards after contact per run Those are those are obviously crazy numbers and that's how you end up with a 73 to nothing game 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I don't know about you guys I I thought it was fun to kind of see some of the running backs further down the depth chart Or did any of those guys stand out to you in particular Jonathan Paler Hey keep on hearing that Why do Jonathan Taylor why do Jonathan Taylor and Victor Snow have the same number of touches this year That is a that is an awful great stat that is an awful great stat I will say it was that run look good It did look good Yeah yeah I will say I did like them getting bullet involved early in the game this time where he didn't get any touches in against Virginia but he didn't get enough Like if you're looking at uh at how they distributed the ball to the running backs I I thought you know there could have been some more work for him uh especially when you have such a lead Um but I get look we talked about it last week that that's not really Dave's Mo to run up a score And uh there was there was uh and again we're getting away a little bit from the stat pack But um yeah I mean there were some statements made again though like where will the real NC State football team please stand up You felt your point Do you feel like Dave Gordon was felt obligated to put on performance like that after getting embarrassed to um Virginia See that's my question That's two weeks sitting out there I don't think it was really honestly Dave like trying to really pour it on as much as just Richmond Just really played that bad through really the whole game Like they'd only threw the ball seven times in the second half Like I don't really think they were running the ball Like if you're getting you know if you're running the ball 10 yards a pop every time like this Yeah that's what's well when you when you look at the longs of like the running backs in this game I think there was four four five guys that had over 20 yards as they're long and like two that were like just under 20 yards right And at the at the point back to what your stat pack was um almost 30 missed tackles they were just running up the gut Like I mean the lot of the big plays were just up the gut nothing fancy No no pulls no counters nothing It was just between the tackles gone And it was just it was like I it was like the coach said it's embarrassing I I know that seems to be the thing but State didn't do anything fancy on their runs at least it didn't look like from the stands now Maybe looking at actual film there was some more stuff but it looked pretty much straight up and they were just dominating Yeah and not to go back to the negative side but this is kind of where I'm like okay I need to see it again yeah because you're exactly miss yeah you're not gonna Force 29 miss tackles against Vanderbilt That's just not a thing That's gonna happen and they're pretty good yeah like if it feels good like okay our running backs look great right now But like to me there's definitely an element of that That was like okay this is also Richmond here yeah for sure But at the same time though it's a confidence boost right not like you know it's just going out having successful reps doing it will doing it and doing it And maybe maybe there's that carryover effect right sometimes we've talked in the past in the years you know when you lose to Clemson sometimes you lose twice to them because of the you know the carryover effect So maybe maybe the carryover effect has a positive uh way for us this week Yeah but I mean one thing to keep in mind though I mean this past week there wasn't a whole lot of 73 nothing scores I mean all miss struggled against Charlotte uh and keep my Charlotte lost to who would they lose to Like oh the Citadel uh you know even LSU struggled uh you know Clemson Yeah but Miami didn't They beat family which is that's true Ivy didn't Miami's not really gonna struggle against may teams with their schedule this season I but yeah I mean listen y'all I'm telling you this right now If you and see freaking beats Clemson at Clemson before she state does man be livid This guy's gonna When's last time we played at Clemson 3 21 that was the year that was the Saturday night game that we all went to No it wasn't I'm sorry No that was when Lex Thomas got in and we got we got crushed Yeah K Club Nick here Yeah and they crushed us Yeah I would say that was like CJ Bailey's first rookie right yeah I think yeah now you bring it up Yeah yeah yeah I would love to play this version of Clemson on the road That would be really nice dude It I mean they struggled against Georgia Southern 22 to 7 22 7 Yeah you know it's it's borderline panic button for Clemson It's borderline panic button I and yeah but cause here's the thing Clemson's only at Clemson a three and a/2 point favorite I'm just gonna say this one thing about Clemson though they decided to untange it They Dabbo has shot himself in the foot He is taken to my opinion a shotgun to his foot because and the guy won't do anything with the transfer portal What do you expect And he's he's he is sticking to his guns about it I saw something where they were gonna play LSU and LSU like they had your best player at the quarterback running back wide receiver offensive line tied in position coming from all five different you know universities in the previous year And Clemson had everybody from Clemson You know they've always try to keep their guys and hire You know like yeah it's just not working so somebody even asked me this random thought someday like what if what if that but you know hypothetically state fired Dorn And would would you want to go out there for my national championship coach like that But I'm like I say no because he has become a liability cause he won't pursue the transfer portal So whole different world now So random thought I mean random thought about something so he just going completely the wrong direction Like like just thinking about where he was 5 years ago 5 6 years ago winning a national championship with Kelly Bryant being in the national championship game And just year

after year he slowly but surely with starting with DJ U and then with having the Heisman favorite and Cape club Nick Volt to Now you're like sitting here Like who do they have period Like part of it is I think a big part of it they just have he has refused to embrace the transfer portal but that's a whole different subject So yeah I would love to play clubs right now too It's to my point they're they're they're much more attainable to beat now for sure no for sure Um so but with that being said that I want to talk a little bit about the Vanderbilt game here though You know right now Vanderbilt sits as a three point favorite uh over under has it dropped half Uh what were you saying has it dropped Cause I saw four and a half the other day Yeah so yeah now it's down to three Yeah no it's never been three uh to this point Yeah yeah it's uh Vanderbilt ESPN Alex gives Vanderbilt 69.1 chance to win that thing is stupid anyway yeah you know but Vanderbilt just beat Delaware 35 20 6 and believe for that they beat Austin PA 28 to 9 here But the big story for me here Ethan is correct me wrong but in both games they've started two different quarterbacks They started the senior the first game and then first Delaware They started the five star freshman not quite not quite did they start I thought they went no they didn't say he no correct you're correct Ethan Yeah he came in at half while while they were trailing Oh really I'm assuming state is gonna see Jared Curtis in this game I I would agree which yeah which like to me can go a couple of different ways The cop for me is always Trevor Lawrence Because I remember going down to that game I think I was still in college when yeah I was when that game happened and that game I I remember my thought process in that game was like okay this is a brand new quarterback Like he's he's not gonna be ready for the Brightlands He says defense Yeah and that was the year like that was the Jerome Pratt defense That was the year after chubbing all those guys got drafted And well let's just say he was ready but like you know he's he's Trevor Lawrence he was he was ready I don't know that Curtis is now He was ranked that way Like he was ranked upward Trevor Lawrence was not quite as high but like in that stratosphere And like at least for me to not be the starting quarterback at Vanderbilt The first couple of like to me that tells me they don't think he's ready And um I don't know how much he played in Game 1 I think he played some minimal yeah minimal But like there's a reason why Vandy went with berloitz to start the season And I I couldn't tell you what it is but my guess would be in something along the lines of Curtis isn't quite ready Like it may be early for him And again maybe we'll regret saying this I know we were some people were saying this about Nico e Maliava against Tennessee a couple years ago who also wasn't really that good But it didn't matter cause state was just that much better than state Tennessee was that

much better than state So look yeah I I think it's gonna be Curtis I I do think it'll be his first start but like I think there's gonna be some opportunity Friends I don't I don't view this as them walking into a buzz saw like they were against Tennessee like they were against Trevor Lawrence or Vandy last year or Vandy last year yeah but I'm just talking from a quarterback Yeah yeah yeah I'm with you Well their quarterback last year was good I mean but yeah yeah Pavia yeah yeah no certainly veteran was very good last year It was very good Um I mean they certainly have not been as good this year To to answer your question uh Ethan uh Curtis went 7 of 9 for 60 yards in Game 1 and ran for 22 yards on three carry So just they probably some late fourth quarter duty Yeah so in that game that means this game he ran like 8 8 Yeah this time he had eight rushes for one yard so I don't know and two touchdowns So I don't know if he's obviously took a couple of sacks in there Yeah I don't know I I would just think he's I mean 14 to 22 210 yards obviously that's pretty loud Delaware had three sex Yeah so again if he was if he was that guy like this is not Clemson you know playing Kelly Bryant over Trevor Lawrence and they're still playing Trevor Lawrence quite a bit I mean this is a to me a much different situation And Kelly Bryant had gotten clumps into the playoff the year before Right this would almost be like Curtis coming in and competing with with Pavia It's not this situation So my guess is that Curtis is is he he hasn't been playing the whole season for a reason Yeah now and they've had two home games by the way So like you know if you're gonna play a guy at home is where you gotta play him Right yeah but it it turns to the optics cause that's really the biggest I think topic really around this game is that it's such a weird game in the fact that I mean I think I saw Kimber who who I saw tweeted but this is the most must win Don't care if you win game in the in the Dorn era Oh Josh Gibson tweeted that yeah okay yeah yeah which I mean I think is the perfect like is yes in terms of the ACC like yes obviously you're you're playing SEC SEC opponent You know this only really matters for a you know if you're trying to show your perspective yeah from a national perspective But in terms of like we like making said like which one are which which one are you seeing here the jackal or the hide Like yeah like you put together one of the worst performances we've seen in the Dorn era And then you put together one of the most dominant performances you've seen in the Dorn era So now it's like listen like unfortunately you're in a situation where this is really gonna be I think really the litmus test like for the whole season in my opinion here like it just this is what's gonna set the momentum in my opinion for at least his first few games here of the season Now keeping keeping in mind that it's a long season but still you know if especially with upstate who just came off a big win at ECU it's gonna be a night game at upstate Like that upstate game is really setting up to be a trap game for sure where you lose to Vanderbilt You better watch out for outstate You know not saying we're not gonna be favored or anything but they they're good enough to sneak up on you they're good enough to sneak up on you no doubt about it here so I don't know making you like what's your what's your thoughts here about this game Would you agree with that The most must win most doesn't care if you win game in the Dorn era Uh oh that I will say though I do agree that it's gonna be the lithmus test in my opinion for the seat for the season They have probably arguably top one or two games I thought that honestly I kind of thought the Virginia game was going to be and um we can't tell that went but I think this one's gonna be really good Test Vanderbilt's favor by three and a/2 points Um I think those are the totals of 51 you know 51 or so 00:36:51.353 --> 00:37:02.119 25 kind of score 27 20 four kind of score for their thinking it's gonna be um and you mentioned the App State game 00:37:02.152 --> 01:18:38.520 30 So um they'll be night game Um yeah I think this is the game state needs to make a point about trying to win this game and they all they do with all the other ones probably but this is something where you need to get that bad taste out of your mouth from the EBA game in this one and it set yourself up for the rest of the schedule I mean you do have App State but Louisville's not gonna be a cakewalk you know wait for it to look half bad that first weekend game either So um we'll see how it goes but these this this is a game I feel like you gotta try to win I think I I would put more um more stock in a conference game than non conference games We do have that going force in this Vanderbilt game but it's a perception thing right You go on the road to play Vanderbilt who is probably one of the more achievable SCC wind you can get And if you can't get that what does it say about you Use a program so they didn't make a point to go get this one You know it's funny Dorn only has one SEC win and it is against Vanderbilt in the Independence Bowl Uh yeah 16 long time ago yeah long time ago 10 years since we've been beat an SEC opponent Um and again whatever you wanna say about ball games and I get it They're they're just glorified exhibitions and we've been matched up with SCC teams quite very mad at them though No no that one definitely mattered Yeah that was definitely different That was way before opt opt outs and all of that stuff I mean really really I remember opt outs really kind of becoming a thing as when we played in the Gator Bowl against A&M You know who the first player was to opt out I said Chubb Chubb was it I mean he was really close to being one of the first ones Well I I the the first one which I'm pretty sure of and it's because it's my wife's team Jadaveon Clooney uh we were talking about state oh yeah yeah yeah

yeah okay you're talking about state Yeah I taught my first one ever Yeah yeah and then and then Christian Mccaffrey was other famous one too as well inside out So but but anyway so yeah so we know again perception right he has you know he has in coach door and has struggled against other P4 teams We like to beat up on the group of five guys or group of six whatever they're called now Uh so yeah Josh's statement is pretty much spot on um because again the fans just love narratives And you know at some point you know a trend becomes a thing right It it's not a it's not a trend anymore It's a you know it's a statement of fact but um it will be interesting Do you guys know how big Vanderbilt's football stadium is Not very right oh I think it's got Is it the same size as White Force It's pretty much like White Forest Yeah 35,000 yeah yeah I believe that yeah damage reduced the size 40,000 A lot of teams are doing that How many road Power 4 games that state even played under Dave True That's a good question cause I'm pretty sure the answer is two They played at Mississippi State and lost yeah one Virginia and lost Yep those are the two I was thinking of I think those are the only I don't think there's more Yeah so it's like we've created this narrative in our head to be like oh cause you beat Texas Tech at home right Is it because they just choose not to go player They is it a fear factory young saying like why not go push yourself But I don't think they've chosen no no we've had games canceled like we had LSU we were supposed to go to Baton Rouge Well that's before yeah Florida Georgia we had BYU which I don't Are they are they part of a conference Now I think they're big 12 now that counts Yeah um I think we have I don't know like yeah we've just created this narrative It's like okay you can't win these games but like these guys don't even really exist like saying you can't you know I just I'm not saying you can't win I just am thinking um no I'm I'm not saying you make it I'm just saying in general like I I the discourse is oh you can't win these type of games to the point where I've seen people say they'd rather win this one than a conference game whether it's Virginia which is which is wild which is insane which is absolutely to me it's purely perception Like it's all it is it's a perception yeah right because if you look at it like cause the ACC is P4 how many times have we gone on the road in the ACC and won a road game in the ACC right Like plenty Yeah um you know so it's the same difference It's just not an opponent outside of the ACC and and really the only other two that you can look to are the neutral field games in Charlottewood Tennessee in South Carolina Um but no at some point it would be nice right It would be nice especially for our fans like myself that travel these games is like I wanna go on a road game and win Yeah yeah that was why I stopped doing this So many cause when I was in school and I went to so many of those games Yeah

and then I looked and I was like Man State never wins these games not just football but like other sports too for sure Yeah uh it it would take it would take a lot of uh guts for sure to to go back It would take another college game day Greg to to go back to NC State at Clemson probably Uh but anyway I do wanna ask though uh we talked a little bit about the ACC obviously this Clemson Newmancy game coming up here But a couple of impressive wins from the ACC side Duke going to Illinois and beating them on the road a gutsy win by wakeforest beating Purdue and double overtime But one thing was yeah one game in particular though Ethan that you had highlighted during our Richmond preview was the California Syracuse game And California comes out of it 21 18 win on the road at Syracuse JKS was 21 30 482 yards two touchdowns Syracuse and jelly through 49 passes for 306 yards one and one touchdown three interceptions So I don't know do you think that answer any questions for you That game I would just like an apology from both of those teams for exposing me to that game That was terrible terrible football poorly coached poorly play like just a mess And Syracuse was a team again I talked him up after Week 1 you know blowing up New Hampshire talked about Angeli and they just gave that game away And and I mean you know good for Cal I guess like they couldn't afford to start Owen to with all that they've put into this season as you know similar to NC State What an absolute mess again good for Cal They come across the country When you have those type of games you don't really care how they look you'll just take any sort of win you can get Um and so cow gets it Syracuse man kicking themselves kicking themselves for sure Um but yeah just like I don't know disappoint is the right word but thought either one of these teams potentially could both come to Carter friendly this year I thought both teams could potential and not that I changed my mind on this but like could potentially challenge state And I still think that I thought maybe even could they get into the top half of the ACC You know could they win six games after watching that I don't see it Want to take a quick break here from our live show Wolfpack Nation to just say one thing If you're cooking anything this weekend do it with a Coney goal barbecue sauce and rubs Big Jim's Carolina Red is a vinegar based sauce with brown sugar and crushed red pepper in it And it belongs to all your poor pork your chicken your beef you name it anything And then you also took out the wingie which goes on wings obviously And the amazing Coney Gold dust is the rub for a pork blood but again can go on anything even vegetables You name it Use code Tuffy talk to get 15 off your entire order Go to Coneygold BBQ sauce.com Again use that code Tuffy talk to get 15 off your entire order as always go pack So with that being said Wolf Pack Nation Let's jump on over here to the segment that we haven't done in a little bit here and do some toughies tweets of the week here Let's jump into it here some men's basketball here I know first of all two as well I did see some pictures of the team doing workouts And I don't know about about you guys but I know to me to me making it's always just I guess you know what's the word like just just see Vana Lubin and just be like oh man like you know he's back Are you still here Just just hits a little bit you know I mean yep yes it's nice but this schedule here take the schedule is gonna play out pretty well The first thing when I kind of look through this that caught my eye Um I think it's a pretty appealing and fun nonconference schedule Um you got matchups against Tennessee oldness Uh technically UNC is a non conference game I think they've done this well where they've really got not a whole lot of true road games Lotties are neutral sites We've talked about before in other episodes But then when it comes to conference games I think the one thing that stands up to me is at the very end of this schedule that is a really tough last three games In particular my mind for state Duke Louisville and Virginia probably arguably your top three teams in the ACC this upcoming season You're gonna have to play the very end So I know we we got a whole two months there to get wins in and um January and February But they need to make a priority with that If they can steal one of those Wednesday and build a nice resume through the majority of January and February They're gonna be a good spot that ended the schedule to be a little bit of a could be tough going into postseason play So I wanna make sure we can get some wins in there But I like what the schedule holds overall for us Um feel like it's pretty good Yeah so you know I know Greg we and Ethan we shared a little bit of insight here through our toughy talk Patreon where we have the members only rumor chat kind of shared a little bit of insight potentially to this schedule before he even came out So again another great benefit of being a toughy talk Patreon member here But Greg you know just is there any other kind of big take away you say besides just like making say like the non conference I mean I know Ethan you have your thoughts on the non conference here but Greg do you have any big take away from the schedule You have the West Coast swing kind of right in the middle just as you know ACC play gets gets going So you have that obviously going out there You probably want at least get one or one or two of those Um it gets a little light in the middle for our listeners When is that The West West Coast swing Yeah you got Calvin uh Stanford I can't see the date looks like January 27th maybe really and the 30th yeah um so you have that um and then you know you got you know a stretch there where you have Florida State which should be a lot better They were they came on strong toward the end of the season last year um I expect them to be pretty good Um you know you you get a stretch there where Clemson

and pit back to back home games there I like that to get some get some wins there Um but yeah and then you know the last you know three before the last three uh Virginia take away cow at home and Notre Dame at home uh you should be able to and then even even if you include BC as part of that Uh I like I like at least taking uh three or four in that in that stretch there too Uh you should be able to make make a dent there But no I think it's I think it's pretty balanced Um I don't like I hate from a fan perspective uh all the neutral site games Uh not a not a huge fan I get why it's done um you know going back to Nashville uh to play Tennessee Uh you got Greensboro against Carolina you got the tournament down in the Bahamas and then I think you're playing and then um Biloxi I believe for the old miss game I could be wrong on that one I think that's right Greg did you scare them off from coming to Richmond Were you Were they didn't want to come up to your neck in the woods or what I know man I know we talked about that you know that VCU game would have would have been nice um a good solid road game an hour and 20 minutes hour and 30 minutes from my house I I I do I do laundry and for Raleigh yeah yeah exactly it's like less than two hours from Raleigh Uh so you know you could have had a nice little showing there from Wolfpack Nation I I I still don't get why why that was um I mean I would have I don't know like there's definitely some teams here you could easily have taken off this schedule um cause that's a road game that it's a road game and you you get points for that obviously but it's not like a you know oh my god this we're going into this hell of an arena and against this hell of an opponent and and it's a daunting task Um I I think it would have done more positive than negative but that's just me Yeah all right Ethan are are you are you gonna give us give us your thoughts on the out of conference or you gonna go a little differently here Yeah no I I did do a Patreon in this and and on this and and shout out to Greg who uh had the scoop on this schedule that we did put up I think it was like a couple weeks before it got released and it was exactly right Um so kudos to Kudos to Greg for working the phones on that one It it's not bad it's not bad but it's not good and I expect this team to be good I think they deserved a better schedule I guess that's where I would go with it Agree you look at the nonconference schedule where are you picking up good wins right Are you gonna go into Nashville and beat Tennessee I mean if you do maybe if you do yeah sure if you do after that I I get hopefully UNC will be good There's no like there's no other qualities misses a good win or a good game opponent there I mean it's and they're all neutral sites They're not they're all neutral site That's the only redeem Equality as the neutral site so that Omis can kind of be not as good And you still get credit for it Yeah I like maybe like I don't think it was constant on the road in the neutral site new Wisconsin road interest site Hopefully hopefully it's Wisconsin Yeah okay like and so again you have Tennessee You don't have any other teams where I'm confident right now saying this is going to be a top 50 neutral site game that will be a Quad 1 game maybe UNC maybe Wisconsin maybe Ole Miss South Carolina at home Okay you gotta play that one SSC challenge That's a crappy game It's a Quad 3 game VCU was 100 going to be a Quad 1 game with very little doubt very little doubt And so that's kind of why I look at that you could you could see a scenario where state goes let's just say like 11 and 2 and not conference play and you're going into ACC play without any Quad 1 wins and then you are knowing what your team really is about right battle test Yeah yeah yeah like again they they don't play a ton of terror Like I think they only play two teams that are outside the top 300 which is part of the schedule too And that matters That's they did a nice job not scheduling like Kevin Keith did the worst teams on the face of the planet or or Elliot event right They always they always manage to find the worst teams in existence Come on man a man's retired you still taking still taking swings I'm so mad get it I mean to me the VCU game I wish I would have loved her done that game I'm still curious why we didn't play that game but it's in the past I kind of do this is like is like to me I've see a few several power for conference games We're gonna play that we don't normally play in the nonconference That's where I'm coming from Yeah but it's almost like and this is kind of where I had Kevin Keith's PTSD where Kevin Keith was scheduled for power four games And then be like alright I'm done And let's just go find the everybody else is me outside the top 300 Now it didn't it's not quite that bad because again you do have like Troy is not bad You know you have Murray State not bad Yeah yeah Murray State's not bad But again if I'm going to a a Christmas or a Thanksgiving tournament I want better than not that I'm not paying to go see that not not Bahamas prices I'm saving my money for real Bahamas for something else And we'll get into it Haha that's still for the Bahamas though Yeah but I'd still rather do that Yeah yeah but no but no but you know it like I don't know I I I have my stinking suspicions while we cancel VCU nothing concrete I just think Gainy wanted wanted to dictate his schedule I I I think he wanted to um I think he I think he he didn't know what what he had Um you know that was still cause you know we we canceled that I felt like fairly early And we hadn't completed our roster at that point Is uh I I know it was before Lubin but the VCU like when we called the VCU game off it was I thought it was still kind of early in the process of the transfer but there there was also talk and I'm sure Greg I know you're plugged in There was also talk of that game being replaced potentially with a real mid major home

game There's also potential of that team which this is a team like we had heard good enough information that we put it in the Patreon I believe And it didn't it didn't come to first And there's the talk of that being a home game and there was also talk of that being uh in the Bahamas tournament Now it would have been one or the other not both but right yeah I think we had heard it was gonna be in the Bahamas but but still I had heard home game I heard both okay sir yeah and now and you get neither neither right Yeah I would have taken I would have taken an easy look Yeah I would take any that game in either location to be honest with you um if you're if you're replacing it because at this point best case scenario the UNC game neutral site at best case it's a wash but you didn't gain anything Well it's I mean it could be I mean you get you what I'm saying at best right and so you're hoping that it's a quad one but the benefit of that game is you're about to go make some money from that game whereas you weren't gonna make money from playing VCU No yeah and that's and in today's you know today's era of you know Rev share and NHL um sometimes you know you take money games when you can You know that was kind of like last year with old miss playing that in Greensboro I mean I hope we aren't struggling that much for money that we've got to dictate games like that because of it I get it that's part of the equation but sure I don't know it's just like again and it's one of those things where it's like you saw it It's like okay this this could have been on our schedule if we never knew that VCU game existed maybe we feel differently And it's like oh okay this isn't a bad schedule but it's like this that game was on the schedule and you backed out of it Yep yeah back there he's gonna never let the VCU then go No I'm not gonna let it go I'm not We're gonna be Danny could go win an ACC championship and you be like well we could have played VCU Well maybe if I was with you you just hope that doesn't come out to bite you the end of the season where you could have had a game like that So really it it could be a bad argument at some point where it just never goes right Yeah so let's jump into another topic though just to you know just have get Ethan out of his VCU feels Here Tuck a little bit of fall baseball here You know Greg you want me hand over to you good sir talk a little bit about what the the viewers are seeing so that way the listeners can can can hear your thoughts here on this topic Oh for sure yeah we got you know two scheduled tweets uh one came out I think they both came out mid mid mid last week but the first one is the fall schedule was officially put out Uh that we pretty much knew how this was gonna shake minus We thought we were gonna get a fourth game with Duke but uh we'll we'll kick off the uh football schedule against App State on the 25th against like I just said upstate the night before we play upstate in football which is kind of cool I

guess And then we'll have another home game on the ninth of October and then we'll play over the d bap de pap did my son right The debap debap depap depap debap yeah debap against Carolina Uh I would assume and I'm making assumptions here the first two games will be free and I'm sure there'll probably be some kind of small fee to get into the Carolina one Um I don't think you said second opponent is Liberty I'm sorry Yeah Liberty got on the 9th of October sorry Um but yeah I think you know that'll be that'll be exciting So two of the three games will be at dope and then the third will still be local which will be nice So that'll be your first opportunity to see the 2027 NC State Pack 9 team in action And then the other one that I'm pretty excited for is that state will be playing again down in the Caribbean but not in Puerto Rico but this time in the Bahamas and the Atlantic I guess like Series Challenge I I'm not sure exactly Oh sorry It's the Atlantis Collegiate Baseball Series is what they're calling it uh against Michigan uh big ten opponent that will be played over three days but it'll be a four game series So that'll be pretty exciting and it is not a cheese trip but um we're still gonna try to make it happen That's sweet Yeah do you know Greg if that game is gonna be on TV or are we gonna have to do a toughie talk live stream Yeah I don't know I don't know I don't know if they uh tell I think they played it last year I think uh Penn State There's actually two weekends of this Uh I believe Penn State played last week last year in this and they're playing again Uh I'll have to go back and see if any of those games are televised and I'll get back to you Cool Now in other news some baseball recruiting news here Ethan in state baseball did get another commit here from Joseph Nicetrom You want to talk a little bit about what you know what this brings for inter state baseball Cross 2028 So we got we got yeah until we see him at yeah yeah I mean it's gonna be 2029 until he plays which will even still exist then who knows But um yeah no nice nice pick up for state I don't know a ton about him but I think you trust uh trust Chris hard and those guys of what they're doing over there So if they add a guy and the other thing about it is it's hard We never really talk about this cause it's not that It's mean but it's it's really hard for like there's a lot of roster cuts in college baseball so it's hard to get through make it to the final roster and then make your way into the starting lineup So it's hard it's hard to crack into that as a true freshman so hard to have any expectations for any guys But again those guys those guys do a really good job And you know the kids are bringing in our salad uh huh yep uh from Alpharetta Georgia he's listed on Perfect Game as a he's a utility mid middle yeah utility kind of middle infielder guy Uh huh yeah so Greg any thoughts to add to Ethan No Ethan's right Like it it's 20 28 I mean he's kind of got a smaller frame He's like five nine five ten bucks 60 Um yep five nine one 65 Yep yeah um solve couple of his highlights out there got a little pop but yeah other than that I don't know a whole lot about him Again we've talked about it before I don't put a lot of stock in what Perfect Game puts out So um but yeah if if Chris Hard is recruiting him I I have confidence that he's probably a pretty good ball player Um but he he is a switch hitter so that's that's kind of cool yeah going real quick on the on the Bahamas thing Yeah looks like their Penn State said they're streaming information to be announced So hopefully there will be looks like last year was on flow college slows which is awful awful But um they did a good like the Puerto Rico stream last year was really good So yeah so the D1 guys did that so yeah they were that was pretty solid Yeah alright So uh but in more recruiting news though gotta give a shout out as well though to coach Lindsay left which bring in two big time commits uh for uh the class 2028 Uh first of all Ashlyn Kennedy uh No 45 overall recruit in the class of 2028 uh middle end fielder Fort Lucissa four star on uh I think it's softball softball champion I think is the recruiting for college softball And then Ava Kepic who's another four star infielder Both of them play for the Texas Bombers crew which has won three straight national championships So how about you Greg But you know like I'm I'm you know think of a kind of fantasy football perspective right now I want as many players of the Chicago Bears as I can get on my roster And so if there's a softball team out there that wins three straight national championships I want as many players from that starting line up of that team on my roster as I can So to get two of them for a three time national championship roster you know that by itself tells you a good bit that they're they're they're pretty great Dagon great ball players Yeah for sure Uh yeah coach left foot coach left which continues to collect pieces out there Um yeah recruiting hasn't been an issue it's uh you know putting it together getting some consistency We're hoping that this is the year that we kind of see some breakthroughs Yeah it's just you know with any recruit I think it's great you know that we're recruiting at a high level but you know until they actually get on campus and start performing I don't I don't get too too excited But it it is encouraging to see that these types of players are that are choosing in Sea State especially in the softball uh ranks well especially two as well Cause with where this 20 class 2028 class is looking This will be three straight classes where she's been top four in the ACC which as we know the ACC is loaded in softball So if you're if you're recruiting at the top of the ACC that means you're recruiting at the top nationally If you're recruiting at the top nationally eventually just by the sake of how good the talent is on your team it's gonna pay for wishing But even too as

well the fact that even through all the struggles coach left which in the softball program is had for them to for her to still go to class after class after class and still get by into the vision of what she sees NC State softball could be It says a lot you know it really does say a lot about I think coach Leftwich And you know first of all how ridiculously amazing she is a recruiting but also two as well I mean listen I don't I don't know softball I don't you know unfortunately that great I don't know I don't know how those conversations go but she's obviously saying the right things for sure so just like you said good though Greg It's ready ready to see the product on the stage here This class 2026 which was loaded as a is a freshman class this year So we'll see feeling very bullish about the season but again time will tell I but speaking of shout out so got to give a shout out to our man Isaiah Shirley for being nominated for 2026 Jason Wetten Man of the year which by the way too as well PFF had him listed getting eight snaps as a tight end here which we keep in mind when he came to NC State he played out of the gate tight end instead of defensive line so locking you know yeah from and and and he had he actually had the highest uh run blocking grade for uh uh for the entire game actually against Richmond So you know first of all shout out there But again man I mean just what you hear about the guy you know seeing that you know three episode series and state did for the preseason watching what you know he was doing even listen to him during the AC media day I don't think NC State fans are shocked by this whatsoever selfless guy Yeah no completely selfless say the least here So but one of the last tweet though I got to give a shout out to and this will kind of tease us here to our last segment of the show which our Pack Pro of the week here I would I would you know this is definitely AJ AJ Cole would definitely be up there for for Pack Pro of the week But honestly I just love this tweet so much I just had to show it here but you know Raiders Chi Sox Silver and black saying as much as I love Ray Guy and Shay Likeler There's definitely an argument that AJ Cole is the best punter in Raiders history Now out about you Ethan But uh listen I I if there's a guy that has 250 that has a 254 view tweet that says AJ Cole is the goat I'm gonna listen to him and say this guy bet might as well be Adam Schechter saying it Maybe it is Adam Schefter you never know Right that's his burner Yeah that's right Yeah now that is that's certainly high praised And AJ Cole's been very good obviously in the NFL so um obviously you love seeing him get some love He's he's pretty decorated as an NFL punter So um obviously the development in the league's been good for him And uh again obviously this is this is very high price He averaged 63 yards of punt yesterday on the TV in the game for they were on the or where they play Miami And some guy was who the announcer was was like

I'm just gonna say that he might be the best in the NFL right now at that position So yep I mean he's been first team All Pro two times I think in his career so far So yeah I mean it's multiple Pro Bowls for whatever you want to count that Now I mean for to be what I guess probably two punters that are probably selected to the Pro Bowl that's it Yeah one of each league Yeah yeah so I mean they don't have like 10th author and it's like other positions right so I mean high praise here for sure for AJ Cole And yeah if you were to list like which pack pros or you know have the the best NFL career as of right now I mean AJ Cole is definitely in the argument for having one of the best for sure right now And so huge shout out to AJ there and excited for him So I wrap it up though I gotta give a shout out to a couple other pack pros of the week here So let's jump on over here to Pack Pro of the week And our first one here gotta give a shout out to our man Peyton Wilson uh which t J y after the game court is saying pains crazy man Uh is which I mean had 13 total tackles and a 2013 win over the Atlanta Falcons I mean listen Ethan I know that uh you weren't you didn't have the the honor and privilege yet of being part of the toughie talk team at the time when when Peyton was getting drafted here But I know all NC State fans agreed in unison and saying listen if Peyton Wilson stays healthy him getting drafted where he did will be one of the biggest deals in recent NFL history And so far in his career knocking on wood over here he is more than shown exactly that And he's paid more than more than more than dividends for the Pittsburgh Steelers Yeah man what a stud huh I I feel like he was the defining player the Dave Dornaira To be honest So yeah I agree And and it like it has been great since then I mean we bare we barely knew NC State football without paying Wilson I mean it was State probably offered him in 2015 or 16 and then his career lasted through 2023 So he was around the area where he came and even see and then flip the state He kind of add that little flair to it a little bit too So yeah so and then coming back from injuries Obviously you mentioned the the medicals which is why he fell in the draft Um but fortunately so far he's been able to stay healthy and he's been really really good Obviously you know the Steelers have a good defense every year So um I maybe this sounds bad I don't really It's not that I don't pay attention I don't care as much about you know the the state's players once they go to the league Obviously you like seeing them be successful I think other people just care about care about it more than I do But now Peyton Wilson always always top of the list for sure Yeah yeah I mean Greg any anything you would add to that No I I I love some Peyton Wilson uh had had the pleasure to meet him a couple of times and just just just a dude man and he's just fun to kind of I'm the opposite of Ethan I love following our guys once they get into the pros at all sports I enjoy You know I'm not I'm not so much a pro guy as much as I am you know college guy in NC State But I do I do like following our guys once they get in you know um out and you know doing other things specially and you know baseball and and all of that But but all sports as a whole I would love to see some more guys in basketball that's for dang sure But but you know we've done pretty well in football and baseball here as of late Yeah no for sure but giving shout out to one other pack pro here in Jacoby Burset who man uh I believe signed 11 million dollar deal uh with a potential of up to 15 million if not mistaken And you know all this talk of well as Carson Beck you know is he gonna be his starter halfway through the season or whatever Heck no Joe Cobra set just pulled off probably the biggest upset of the entire weekend so far in the NFL And I mean even if I think the Broncos yeah but I mean that you know whatever whoever was underdog for this game tonight won't be what the Cardinals underdog was the Chargers but Jacobus at 27 of 37 passing 277 yards one touchdown 103.1 passer rating with a to cap a 26 14 win over the Chargers And you know I mean listen you know it's the Cardinals I you know I don't think it's on anybody's radar of if being a Super Bowl contender whatsoever But I mean what Jacoby Bro said after a one game I mean the Jacoby said in the Cardinals are putting together I think a very you know a very respectable NFL offense this season And again it's only one game But listen I think there was a lot to like and you know you got to give all all the credit in the world to Jacoby to step up to the plate you know and even not being you know in his I would surprise a prime you know even though he's playing his I would say as good of ball now as maybe he ever has in NFL so far I mean is is that a ball take at all I don't think so Right he's never really gotten run like this I mean he's gotten some run you know stoppers hard at times but yeah but never like he's still a Tom Brady looming you know so yeah I mean if he gets run never the guy Yeah and yeah like maybe he's able to take advantage of it to me I just wish I'm ready for people start giving this guy his flowers You know he's he's been arguably the best backup in the NFL for a few years now One of the best backups in NFL and he's he wins for the Cardinals He's won for several franchises so I don't know why people look down I get he's there's you know he's not maybe all the time like a top 10 QB That's why he's in the role he's in But for what he the role he's in he's he's great for that and he can win you football games So um he's not gonna be he's a he's probably more of a game manager at the NFL than anything but he's he's really good at what he does So yeah so you shout your Jacoby there But money yeah Greg I mean can't afford him get on the field at all Oh man yeah so you you guys probably haven't tracked that he made the initial 53 man roster with

the Bucks and then got waived the very next day Um so yeah he's actually on the practice squad now Yeah he still he still with the Bucks but he's on the practice squad which after watching some of this play yesterday he should be on the damn field but that's a conversation for another day Hey I cause didn't they just sign didn't Baker just sign his extension Look we're moving on Like we have some more packed pros to talk about like this isn't like Boomer sooner or Texas Tech Raider talk I got one for pack pros How cool was it to see for the Bears starting offensive center and left guard Garrett Bradbury Joe Toony like lined up side by side with each other Yeah and then on the defensive line for the Bears is starting Contavious Street I heard that name I'm like oh my gosh I was like what NFL that's sick He has made a really been hanging around man out of it I mean with the Saints right and then now with the Bears I can read with the Falcons last year right I mean he's just he's made a career career of it man It's Forty Niners which is really cool that right forty Niners forty Niners great originally started out at it's good point Yeah so like yeah I was pretty cool seeing Bradbury and Tunie on the popped up there I was like oh man they both played a state That's pretty cool and two different generations right so that's pretty neat too So yeah they crossed a little bit but I don't think they they didn't play beside each other And see they didn't they definitely did not play beside each other and see state but I think jumped in right after year after after Timmy graduated So um so yeah yeah huge shout out there I but also too as well I first of all uh it's funny I didn't even realize that Michael Allen formerly state running back is with ECU now I was watching that game I heard Michael Allen I was like is that our Michael I was like yeah shoot He's gotten around yeah cause he was with the he was with the uh you know V for like a year or two Marshall sorry went to Marshall then you know the market and then yes Michael Allen's originally from that area from He's from Greenville So so good for him you know good for him gonna play for his home home school You know um but speaking of what is he like 30 now Though what is he like 30 now yeah he's been around for whatever it is he's got his factory kind of yeah speaking of feeling old though the last final thought here for a wrap it up here but anybody remember big game Boomer Anybody remember that account man I'm like it was so funny like cause you know all the you know Dave Portnoy and Michigan beating Uh do you know Oklahoma and the other were getting Brandon Walker hard time I was like man I still remember Brandon Walker and Big Game Boomer like with the most crap talking you know segment I've seen on in radio And and like I know more culture ball than you bro And now it's been like a year and a half and biggie boomers been absolutely silence and now he's got 111,000 follower now just sitting there So uh again you know how it's college football starting up was like man you know remember when people used to live or die based off this list somewhere where you ranked on that thing So you know time flies feeling old here especially 10 years since I graduated from 2016 class You talked about Independence Bowl SUP anyway Uh so with that being said Wolf Pack Nation will wrap it up there but make sure if you haven't already hit that subscribe button as you know we are gonna have our Vanderbilt our full Vanderbilt uh uh preview here episode coming out here soon so make sure to stay tuned for that Be subscribed if you haven't already It's free to do and it helps make sure you do not miss that episode Also as well if you enjoyed this conversation do us a big favor hit that like button too as well We greatly appreciate that Give us follow TikTok down on Twitter Instagram and TikTok and also to go give a shout out to our amazing sponsor Coney Cole Barbecue Sauce and rubs That's a Coney o c o n e E Gold BBQ sauce.com And use the code toughy talk to get 15 off your entire order So with that being said y'all we will see you all soon And as always y'all go pack