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in New York to sit down with us in our studio. Today, we are joined by the legendary Adam 22 is in the building. 00:02:45 Speaker 3: What up, Rory and Miles? Nice spot you guys got here. 00:02:47 Speaker 2: Thank you, man. I'm just talking to Adam in the elevator. We thought he moved from that big warehouse he had. Oh, you're still in there? 00:02:52 Speaker 3: He's still there, yeah. 00:02:54 Speaker 2: We thought you downsized. 00:02:55 Speaker 4: But we moved to doing interviews in the other rooms, not the ones that we interviewed you in. So if you don't see that same room, that's why. 00:03:01 Speaker 5: So what are you doing with those other spaces? Because you had so much space in that warehouse. 00:03:05 Speaker 3: Yeah, that place is beautiful. 00:03:06 Speaker 4: That side of the building is like the porn side. 00:03:09 Speaker 2: So that's where you shoot the porn stuff out. 00:03:10 Speaker 3: Yeah. Okay. 00:03:12 Speaker 4: And we do like gambling deal stuff for like some porn companies too that we have to film. We have like a whole different set over on the other side. 00:03:18 Speaker 3: So that's the addictive vices room. Yeah. 00:03:21 Speaker 4: And then on the other side you have boring, stale hip hop culture, which nobody wants. 00:03:24 Speaker 3: Anything to do with. 00:03:25 Speaker 2: The dying culture of hip hop. We're in culture for that. 00:03:27 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. 00:03:29 Speaker 2: So does Wack 100 have to walk through that side to get to the hip hop side? nah okay nah because that's the live stream i'd like to see is whack 100 navigating through the porn side porn and gambling side to get to the. 00:03:40 Speaker 4: So many of the the rapper dudes and the street dudes are like oh like you gotta put me in the game with the porn stars and it's like bruh like you gotta figure it out like. 00:03:49 Speaker 2: That's not how do you figure that out adam. 00:03:51 Speaker 3: How do you figure I could give you the checklist. 00:03:55 Speaker 2: Some would call you a gatekeeper for that. 00:03:56 Speaker 3: Yeah. Adam, when you cuffing the holes, what's up, man? 00:03:59 Speaker 4: The thing is, is that even if I discovered a generational male talent, I wouldn't like benefit that much from it because the dudes don't make that much money. 00:04:06 Speaker 2: You know, generational male. How would you go about A & Ring that Adam? Um, listen, this guy's got stamina. Let me tell you. Damaris has already discussed it. So we're off to a good start. 00:04:20 Speaker 4: I mean, I know some guys who like, you know, I mean, if you're good looking in the face, that's good. If you're in shape, that's good. 00:04:26 Speaker 3: Yeah. Okay. 00:04:27 Speaker 4: If you've got a good personality and girls actually like want to be around you, that's really good. But like ultimately really it comes down to like, do you have a very above average? 00:04:33 Speaker 2: I would imagine that would be. 00:04:35 Speaker 5: So that's life. It's pretty much, yeah. That's away from the cameras. That's away from the cameras. Even away from the cameras, that's how they view us men. You can be attractive, nice, good personality. 00:04:45 Speaker 3: But money is a big factor in the real world. And in porn, you could be broke as hell. You got a big dick, you're in there. 00:04:50 Speaker 2: Well, dick is money in that game. 00:04:51 Speaker 5: Well, I saw this girl on Instagram the other day. She said, fellas, just know that if your sex is whack, your girl is definitely cheating on you. It could be somebody you have more money than, you look better than. But if he, his sex is better than yours, she's definitely cheating on you. So I, and I'm looking in the car, I go to the comms to see what the women, it's a lot of shh, you're doing too much. You're telling, exposing too much. So we say, yeah, you gotta have money. But sometimes that really don't even matter. 00:05:22 Speaker 4: I feel like I'm around a lot of women who are kind of like post-sex women. in the sense that like they do porn or whatever. And to them, like sex is just not that tantalizing and they don't seem that concerned with it. 00:05:36 Speaker 3: And it's like partially because they do it for a living. 00:05:39 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:05:39 Speaker 4: But like, and especially like any girl who sells pussy, you know, this dynamic of like to them having sex for pleasure is kind of, That's lame. 00:05:48 Speaker 2: Yeah. Have you ever had a relationship with a girl podcast? 00:05:51 Speaker 3: It's such a lame answer. 00:05:52 Speaker 4: But the only time I ever paid for sex was I was in China for a BMX event and I got head from two Chinese chicks in a nail salon with a condom on. 00:06:01 Speaker 2: But that's not really. 00:06:01 Speaker 5: But that's like part of the once you buy a flight to China that comes, that's like part of the SkyMiles. 00:06:07 Speaker 2: I'm talking about like in America. 00:06:08 Speaker 3: No, no. Like I've tried before and I literally couldn't. 00:06:13 Speaker 4: So I was doing my research about you and sex workers and, um, which is, I love to be able to begin a sentence like that. So there was a girl I know and she posted like a booby photo, like boobs all up in the camera. 00:06:28 Speaker 3: Right. 00:06:29 Speaker 4: And you commented like 50 money bags on it. But that's standard for, so, She responds with a bunch of laughing emojis. Cause I think I wrote mall horny as hell. And then she responded a bunch of laughing emojis. And I was like, I told her, I'm like, yo, it's funny. Cause like they, they like give them all a hard time about leaving the money bag comment sometimes. And like, and then I'm like, it's so funny that he left 50 on yours. And she, she was like, oh, mall is hilarious. And I go, has he ever shopped with you? And she goes, Adam, a lady never tells. and then like i was doing something so i like didn't respond for like 20 minutes and then she doubles back and she texts me and just

goes nah for real the mall is cool as hell i met him through some people i know one time so like i think she thought about it no one takes one time to pay that saying a lady never tells was like in my mind like she kind of probably thought like oh that's what you say when they did. 00:07:24 Speaker 2: That oh okay okay so you're that's how that's how i would take it so you're off the hook yeah. 00:07:33 Speaker 5: I just know it's just I don't know like I just first of all we always talk about Adam having the fucking he had the dream podcast being married wife was in porn and she brings other beautiful women to have sex with and this is a business yeah How did that conversation come about? How did that happen? I thought you were about to ask how did he fuck that up? No, no, not with girls, but with your wife. How did that conversation, what was the initial conversation of, hey, I have this idea, or how did it go? I have this idea for a podcast. We'll be sitting down and interview a porn star, and then we all have sex. 00:08:07 Speaker 4: It was kind of obvious, because from the very beginning of me and her hanging out, it was like we would- just kind of hook up with girls and then i'm already doing podcasts and there were times on no jumper where we would like have some girl come through and do an interview with me and lena and then we would go back to the house and have a couple drinks and end up hooking up or and film it or not film it so it was it was like a supernatural process. 00:08:28 Speaker 2: That was like the beta the beta testing there like he was kind of like you. 00:08:31 Speaker 4: Were already kind of doing it without trying and so then that just kind of made sense of like yo this is a shocking idea and like i forget that it's a shocking idea the other day i was at a party and like some girl like was talking to me and and i'm like that's that's my wife right there and she's like what do you guys do and i told her i'm like we do a podcast where we interview girls and then fuck them after and the girl's jaws like on the floor like i forget that that's still like a shocking concept to people. 00:08:54 Speaker 5: Who yeah we interview girls and then we fuck them like yeah i could see how somebody would be like wait what as a podcaster though did i just consent by talking even if. 00:09:02 Speaker 4: That wasn't the idea and i was just like a guy with the only fans i would probably be like yo let's do like a little interview before yeah it just makes sense to me like. 00:09:08 Speaker 2: Well, that's a good idea. 00:09:09 Speaker 5: The greatest porn scenes usually starts with some type of dialogue, right? 00:09:13 Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's usually acting. 00:09:14 Speaker 4: And that's my thing is I don't I don't care about the dialogue or the fake shit because it's fake. But meanwhile, if I watch you have a conversation with her for 30 minutes, like in my mind, that like kind of builds the rapport and makes you curious about what these people might be like having sex. 00:09:26 Speaker 3: With each other. All right. So you were a plus one at Drake's birthday. 00:09:29 Speaker 4: So I was on live stream on Tuesday night, like every Tuesday and Leonard donates $ 10 and says, I have plans for us this weekend. And I was super confused because it was our 10th anniversary that weekend. And I had plans, nothing crazy, but like I had like little plans for Saturday or whatever. 00:09:46 Speaker 3: And on the anniversary. 00:09:48 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:09:50 Speaker 3: Personal question, sir. Are you guys still broken up or no? I don't know. 00:09:52 Speaker 2: I don't pay attention to that. 00:09:53 Speaker 3: Technically. 00:09:55 Speaker 4: We are on a, we, we decided like, let's get back together, but we're on a trial run for three months and we're made. 00:10:03 Speaker 2: It's always 90 days for some reason. Yeah. 00:10:04 Speaker 3: I don't know. Why do we land on that? 00:10:05 Speaker 2: Why is it always three months? 00:10:07 Speaker 3: I don't know. Three cycles, you let three periods pass. 00:10:09 Speaker 2: Is it Steve Harvey that put that in everyone's minds? 00:10:11 Speaker 4: Oh shit he said that huh i think it was steve harvey i had a terrible night when i brought a girl home from the bar when i got there she said listen i'm not fucking you because of this book and she showed me a steve harvey book it was all about making men wait to have sex with you yeah. 00:10:25 Speaker 5: She was serious but um that really happened adam like no she really held out like. 00:10:30 Speaker 4: I'm just drunk looking at her like you're fucking serious okay um So I get home and she basically says, nah, Drake just sent me the flyer. Didn't say anything. Just sent me the flyer. And then she responded. Cause like, it's kind of awkward. Cause like at that time we're still publicly broken up. 00:10:47 Speaker 3: Yeah. Okay. Yes. 00:10:48 Speaker 2: But y'all still like, We're still living together. 00:10:51 Speaker 4: We're still like on each other's Instagram stories pretty much all the time. 00:10:54 Speaker 3: So I don't know. But either way, I'm like, her first response was like, is this like a girl thing? 00:11:00 Speaker 4: Like, am I supposed to bring a girl or can I bring Adam? And he goes, oh, 22 needs to be there. 00:11:05 Speaker 3: Okay. So I don't know like what. 00:11:07 Speaker 4: The intention was, I don't know if he like immediately thought like he was sending it to her so that me and her would go. Because when she did the 20 versus one thing, she was with her assistant slash best friend, Monica. 00:11:18 Speaker 3: Got it. Okay. So I don't know. I don't know exactly like what was intended, but he said he wanted me to go. So I said, all right. And would it have been cool if he had sent it to me too? I understand that argument. 00:11:27 Speaker 4: Cause I watched Joe talk about this for like 20 minutes, but I understand that. But at the same time, I mean, this is a pretty

like limited guest list. So like, I don't know. It's like, I know a lot of people that he's like way closer to than Leonard or I, that apparently weren't picked. 00:11:42 Speaker 3: Like he seems like just in the video and everything. Like if I have a party with like a thousand people. 00:11:47 Speaker 4: It's going to be a lot of work to even figure out who these thousand people are. 00:11:51 Speaker 3: Right. Where I was like with Drake, it's like, he's kind of like creating the vibe of the party by like picking people throughout the years from the like a hundred thousand people he's met over the years that he likes. It's like, I don't know. I don't know what goes into that mentality. Exactly. 00:12:07 Speaker 2: Well, if it means anything, he didn't text mall and say, yo, Rory has to be there. So He just sent Maul the invite. 00:12:13 Speaker 3: I can promise you he didn't say Rory needs to be there. 00:12:16 Speaker 2: And I wouldn't expect him to at all. That party's going to be exactly what it was without me. 00:12:21 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:12:22 Speaker 2: It went off without a hint. Everything was the same. Yeah, everything was the same without you being there. 00:12:26 Speaker 3: Yo, it's trippy, though, seeing that many hot girls standing outside shivering in the cold, though. That was the most mind-blowing thing. See? 00:12:33 Speaker 2: This is what I told him. 00:12:34 Speaker 5: I said, yo, I've never seen a line of women in New York City that long with that many pretty women on the line. 00:12:42 Speaker 3: I've never seen that. Like, to me, that was the craziest part of the whole night. 00:12:45 Speaker 2: Like, I walked. 00:12:47 Speaker 5: Men walked right in. If you were invited, you're supposed to be there. You were outside maybe three minutes, maybe three minutes. The women were on. It was a line down the block. Like, and I've never personally seen that many pretty women dress nice on the line outside that long. 00:13:04 Speaker 2: Never seen it in my mind. 00:13:05 Speaker 3: Never. 00:13:06 Speaker 2: How's the three months going? Well, the start of it, rather. 00:13:09 Speaker 3: I think it's good. I feel like she. 00:13:12 Speaker 4: It's crazy because everybody thinks that our issues are going to be porn-related or whatever, but our issues are pretty much household, real, normal shit. 00:13:20 Speaker 3: I would actually assume it would be the opposite of anything porn-related. Yeah, because sex is kind of... deep there's. 00:13:25 Speaker 4: No real boundary there it's really a lot of it is like the fact that she feels like she took on like all of the responsibilities in the household and that I just go to the office and do podcasts eight or ten hours a day and then I come home and I'm stoned as fuck and she feels like this isn't what she needs in a relationship type shit. You know, she kind of like takes on a huge percentage of the responsibilities with the kid and I need to like put myself out there more and

take on more of that shit. 00:13:53 Speaker 3: So I'm still kind of like working on it right now. 00:13:55 Speaker 2: I mean, I respect it. 00:13:56 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:13:57 Speaker 4: I mean, I'm sure, you know, you probably, I feel like almost every relationship has some element of this. 00:14:02 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I think the work balance with a kid, especially in the first few years, is very difficult to get through, especially with people working. I mean, at least you have that awareness. So you believe everything she said when you were like, yeah, it's probably true. I'll be high as fuck when I get home and don't talk. 00:14:18 Speaker 3: The only problem is that like sometimes when she's. 00:14:21 Speaker 4: Telling me about my failings i'm kind of like fuck like do i really got it in me to be this different person like i probably that i i need to be if i want to like maintain this relationship well i definitely do because i'm still in love with her and shit but sometimes you get scared of yourself and like you notice yourself like not exactly running towards the changes that you feel like you need to make you know okay. 00:14:44 Speaker 2: How do you do are you potting less or like did you switch your schedule i Yeah. You got three months. I'm trying to help you. You didn't change nothing. What day is this? Can we, can we workshop this right now? 00:14:57 Speaker 3: Are you at the halfway? 00:14:58 Speaker 2: You have 45, you have 45 days. So you started three months by leaving and going to New York for a week. 00:15:03 Speaker 3: That was, yeah. Yeah. I'm not here to judge, man. 00:15:05 Speaker 2: I'm trying to help. 00:15:06 Speaker 3: Is that I, like, I kind of have. 00:15:08 Speaker 4: To be real about like, listen, I want to be a great content creator and I have to sacrifice things for that. 00:15:14 Speaker 3: And like, I just, you know, I gotta go. Like I gotta, I gotta get out there and do it. 00:15:19 Speaker 4: And it's like, I'm trying to do a better job with that as well as like doing a good job with content and stuff. And it is like a, it's a decision of like how much of this shit. 00:15:27 Speaker 3: Are you really going to do? 00:15:29 Speaker 4: But I'm kind of in the position where like, if I have good opportunities, I just don't take them for granted. 00:15:34 Speaker 3: I look at it like I have to do that. Like that's a big deal to me. 00:15:37 Speaker 2: Do you ever watch Entourage? 00:15:38 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:15:38 Speaker 2: Would you ever already go the situation and choose your family over the entire thing that you built? 00:15:45 Speaker 3: Oh, no. I mean, I just, I can't stop. And that's just like who I am. 00:15:52 Speaker 2: Use that sentence. I can't get off crack. I can't stop. 00:15:56 Speaker 3: No, I can't stop. 00:15:57 Speaker 4: I mean, it was really like be a family man and like, just be at the house every day. Like I can't, I can't live like that. Like I want, I want to be a member in the house, but I can't. 00:16:05 Speaker 2: But if you had to, if you had to kind of like cut back on working so. 00:16:08 Speaker 4: Much, I feel like I'm consciously making mistakes. decisions of like trying to be like, okay, I'm not going to go on that trip. 00:16:15 Speaker 3: I'm not going to do this. I'm not going to stay. 00:16:16 Speaker 5: Why do you feel like you work? So like you, you need to work so much. Why do you feel like that? 00:16:22 Speaker 4: I just, I kind of feel like with the content thing that there was a moment like three years ago where I felt like it was all like falling away from me. And like, it was like when a lot of the guys left the podcast that I felt like, Oh, this could be over and this doesn't have to last forever. And I've known a lot of people that had motion as podcasters at a certain point and then they chilled and then the motion was gone when they tried to get back to it. And me having done this for 10 years, I just think I feel so appreciative to even have an audience or to even be able to make a good living. And I do see the space constantly getting more and more, um, competitive. So, um, I don't know. I just, I feel like I got to go hard. You know, like I feel like I got to do the weekends out of town. I got to stay late. If there's a rapper and he can't do the interview till midnight, I'm staying till midnight. You know, it's like, I just, that shit is so important to me and it's hard to sacrifice that, that work ethic. 00:17:12 Speaker 3: That's part of my identity. Yeah. Yeah. For real. 00:17:14 Speaker 2: No, I mean, I get the paranoia and just, it is, it's an insecurity of I think anybody in a business that constantly changes by the month as far as relevancy. I, I get that. but do you think any of it is avoiding the house to some degree? Like how many hours do, no disrespect to Lush, but how long do you just wanna talk to Lush before just going home? 00:17:34 Speaker 3: Yeah, I gotta throttle myself with Lush a little bit. 00:17:38 Speaker 4: No, no. 00:17:38 Speaker 2: I was just using Lush as an example. 00:17:40 Speaker 3: No, but yeah, for sure. It's like you want to use your time intelligently. 00:17:44 Speaker 4: But a lot of the people I know are really killing it on YouTube, like Trappler Ross and Flacco and shit is like, their shit is different because they're not doing podcasts, but they are on their computer from early in the morning to late at night. 00:17:55 Speaker 2: I can only imagine what Trappler Ross does with editing and everything. 00:17:59 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:17:59 Speaker 4: I mean, it's just like, they, they go so hard and I look at them and that constantly is like inspiring me of like, Oh, I gotta go hard too. 00:18:07 Speaker 3: But I don't know. It's like, yeah, but you, you want to work. 00:18:10 Speaker 4: Like when I look back at 2017 and 2018, we were still in the store. I had a lot of nights where I was in the store till three in the morning and realistically wasn't

doing anything but hanging out and that I can't justify anymore. But when it comes to actually like doing content and being productive, I feel like I got to jump on it. 00:18:27 Speaker 2: Yeah. When you, um, Did that video about talking about scaling back and kind of the status of where no jumper was. I think Maul and I appreciate it because we're business owners in that field and know how difficult that entire thing was. Like when a lot of people were laughing at you, I was like, I don't think y'all realize how difficult the fact that he's being this honest about it, where most podcasters go through the same thing, but we will sit here and pretend like, It's fine. 00:18:51 Speaker 3: I remember you saying that. 00:18:52 Speaker 4: I remember being like, okay, there's like one person that's going to actually have a serious conversation about it. 00:18:57 Speaker 3: That was nice. I appreciate that. 00:18:58 Speaker 2: Now I'm going to troll a bit. Did you do that because of taxes and you're doing just fine? Or was that a way to scale back? He'll admit that live on air. He'll admit that. 00:19:07 Speaker 4: Not taxes specifically, but it was kind of like, okay, in 2023, I think I went on the ice coffee hour and on that podcast, it's like a business podcast and they have a lot of titles, especially at the time that would be like, so-and-so talks about making X amount of dollars per month. Or so-and-so talks about going from making this much to this much or whatever. And at that time during COVID shit was nuts. 00:19:30 Speaker 3: Like it was just. 00:19:31 Speaker 4: Actually the money was coming in at a crazy rate. And it's weird because like with that, like me going on there and saying that I was making a million dollars a month, which might, I might've brought in like net revenue, a million dollars one month, but it's like, was I ever keeping a million dollars for sure? 00:19:49 Speaker 3: No. But, i'm a rap fan we fake it till we make it. 00:19:52 Speaker 4: Right that's what i thought i was supposed to do so i go on this podcast and i say that and so many bad things came from that because every employee basically asked for a. 00:19:59 Speaker 2: Raise Um, you know, his brother went on the internet and said, we made $ 10 million, right? 00:20:05 Speaker 3: Okay. I remember that. Yeah. He was trying to help you. 00:20:10 Speaker 4: And then like, um, I started getting sued more, you know, you put that out there and then all of a sudden you get the little copyright lawsuits and you know, the, the dudes are assuming right now cause they got beat up outside the office for sure. They probably like had the bright idea to sue because they got the idea that we were making so much money or whatever. So when I made that video, um, I was honestly just being straight up. I said, I bought this huge fucking building. I don't need a building this big. So I'm kind of paying a mortgage that's unnecessary. And that sucks. I had to let a bunch of employees go around that time just because it started to realize like, Oh, you don't need 10 employees. You can get by with like two or three employees, whatever. And there was a few other like, you know, things that I, I just kind of wanted to correct the record and be like, Hey, like, I know I was like trying to go viral saying that I made all this money or whatever, but let's just be more realistic. Is that, cause it feels like bullshit when you're talking to somebody trying to get them to do the podcast and they're like, yo, I need two grand. And I'm like, yeah, I can do one. I can't do two. And they're like, you make this much. And you know, it's like, and that really more than anything else. Cause like, I always have never been the type of person that like leads with money. I never had a nice car. I never wore jewelry, never wore fancy clothes. And I really like, that's important to me, like to not like, be justifying who I am through how I like present myself like that or whatever. But like, I think I really fucked up when I did that and went on the podcast. So I just wanted to like be real about the state of the business. And you know, yeah, I, I didn't feel embarrassed about it or ashamed about it at all. Cause it's like, I never really wanted to be viewed as like some master business guy in the first place. I was just figured being real felt better than whatever negativity I got from it. Also, I knew it would be viral and it was a way to promote our memberships, which that worked. 00:21:46 Speaker 2: So even in that you had a business mindset. 00:21:48 Speaker 3: I did. Cause I was like, you know what? I'm going to make this video. I'm going to give a piece of myself and be open. 00:21:53 Speaker 4: But then ultimately at the end, I'm going to say, Hey, and if you want to really help our business out, you can become a member. 00:21:57 Speaker 3: And we did get like a couple thousand members that day. So that was nice. 00:22:00 Speaker 2: But do you think, um, everything happened around that time? Just as somebody that, that watched the platform, didn't really know the identity of no jumper around that time. Cause how I viewed it started out more music discovery, right? SoundCloud rapper, given some of the first SoundCloud rappers, their, their first interview. And then it turned. into more current topics, then it turned into, okay, is this also porn? That's just an Adam thing. At least there's no jumper with hip hop. Then that turned into what I've kind of gauged as like gang shit. And I just don't know if people know the identity of no jumper at this moment. 00:22:41 Speaker 4: Yeah. And when I look back at that, that time period where AD and T-Rail kind of come on the platform and then I discovered Krip Mac and like all of a sudden, okay, boom, we got three personalities on the podcast that are all from gangs. So it's kind of hard to like remove that. But then at the same time. Hold on, let me stop. How to cut you off there. I think that's

different. 00:22:58 Speaker 2: Like Krip Mac, just in his entire aura is gang shit. I don't know if I would. 00:23:05 Speaker 3: Yeah. ADN T-Row. 00:23:07 Speaker 2: Consider ADN T-Row as like, this is a gang. Yes, they happen to allegedly be in a gang, but I never thought of them. 00:23:13 Speaker 3: As gang podcasting. 00:23:15 Speaker 2: I think it moved to that at No Jumper. 00:23:18 Speaker 4: Because they were like, you know, even if they might not be like burnt out, crazy ass gang members, like the way Krip Mac is, they still like knew about all that shit. 00:23:26 Speaker 3: They're bringing guests through who are more gang oriented, whatever. 00:23:30 Speaker 4: And really that's like the era of me, like building out all these personalities and hosts on the podcast and everything. And it's kind of like, if you're going to be finding dudes in their thirties in the LA rap scene, realistically, probably nine times out of 10, they're going to have some kind of gang background. 00:23:45 Speaker 3: Cause that's just how LA is out here. 00:23:47 Speaker 4: It feels a little more Like if you're in a gang out here, you kind of like chose that a little bit more. Whereas in LA, it kind of feels like you're just born on this block. And so therefore that's it. 00:23:55 Speaker 3: But, um, yeah. 00:23:56 Speaker 4: And, and really though, like when I look back on it, that era and that becoming the content kind of like coincided with, um, the music industry, not really putting money into artists anymore. It used to be that we kind of had like a, a nonstop flow of artists who were being like propped up by the labels. 00:24:13 Speaker 3: And that's sort of like stopped happening. 00:24:15 Speaker 4: And they just stopped being in this like constant flow of SoundCloud rappers or up and coming drill rappers or whatever. 00:24:21 Speaker 3: And now all of that in 2026 is like, Oh yeah. 00:24:25 Speaker 4: Like that's, everybody knows that or recognizes that there's like a very slow flow of like new rappers. 00:24:31 Speaker 3: Whereas that used to be our bread and butter. It was like, Every week I had tons of new rappers to interview. 00:24:35 Speaker 2: So do you think it was a conscious decision to go in that direction or that's just how things flowed based off the staff that you were hiring? 00:24:41 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was just kind of going with the flow of it. 00:24:43 Speaker 4: And it was like, yeah, like a lot of those, the second round of like SoundCloud rappers, the Sofagos and SG Kobe, I forgot, I can't remember these people's names, but like they just... That was kind of like what people wanted me to do, but I was more interested in a lot of the street shit that was kind of going on at the time personally. So I felt like the content kind of went in that direction. And then at a certain point, the platform starts to look so street that then some other people are looking at it like, well, why would I want to go on this platform when it just feels

so good? gangster or whatever. 00:25:15 Speaker 2: I mean again not that like a complex list is the bible of what's going on in media but it is at least a gauge of where things is because. 00:25:23 Speaker 4: When they leave me off it's kind of like saying hey this is such a street platform. 00:25:27 Speaker 2: I agreed with complex because you had been super high i think the year before you were off it and i agreed one year i said you should have been higher and the next year i think you were off it and i was like i mean is it even a mute like Is it a hip hop platform anymore? I kind of agreed with complex in that regard. 00:25:42 Speaker 4: I mean, to me it is, but yeah, it does kind of tend to err in the direction of like street oriented stuff. But I mean, I do, I feel like Vlad does shit loads of mafia and true crime stuff and entrepreneurs and all, you know, it was like, I do feel like. a lot of platforms tend to do more than one thing, you know, like a lot of the streamers are reacting to all kinds of stuff that's way outside hip hop. Because if you just make hip hop content and I watch a lot of YouTubers that like their goal is to really only talk about music oriented stuff. 00:26:13 Speaker 3: And it does feel kind of difficult for them because it's just, there's, you. 00:26:17 Speaker 4: Know, you're making videos about Drake and Kendrick and then like everybody below them is like a lot, like way below them in terms of like public interest. 00:26:24 Speaker 3: And that's kind of hard for a lot of these YouTubers to navigate. 00:26:26 Speaker 6: Yeah. 00:26:27 Speaker 2: Um, do you have any regret with interviewing pop smokes killer after the dust settled with everything? 00:26:34 Speaker 3: Um, you know, I was always kind of torn about it. 00:26:37 Speaker 4: Like it always felt like a weird decision, but at the same time, like I knew people wanted to hear this kid so bad and they wanted to find out the story. Like I really did that from like an LA perspective of like, This dude is from a very famous neighborhood out there. He did this horrible crime when he was 15. Now he's back on the streets and was not apologetic enough, wasn't really being as respectful as everybody kind of wanted him to be. I chose to do it just because I was kind of fascinated by the situation. And I feel like a lot of the best slash worst pieces of content, you kind of have to make some tough decisions. Like even this week, I was making a decision about like there's there's basically like a Mexican gang in Long Beach that is like very racist. And they've kind of become like a talking point, um, in the, in LA. And like, it's kind of on the table that I could go to their neighborhood and do a video with them. And I already know that like multiple people who work for me are going to be like, not stoked. 00:27:35 Speaker 3: If I do that. So it's like, even right there, like, this is like tantalizing. 00:27:40 Speaker 4: Like, this is such an interesting story that I

have people who work for me mad at me for even thinking about doing it. I'm always kind of like drawn towards stuff like that. So I, I mean, I understand the perspective of saying that it was in bad taste to interview the kid who was involved with Pop Smoke's death, but. 00:27:55 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, how much do you put into your, your staff feeling that type of way as, as a leader and business owner? And I mean, this pop, I, Side note, this podcast is very much team Gina. She's been critical about that, about you putting a lot of content first before the people that you work with. Is that something that you focus on when people are saying to you, Hey, we're uncomfortable with this? 00:28:20 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:28:20 Speaker 4: I mean, I think about it, but I do feel like so much of it is just like favoritism because like even one of the people who I feel like he feels a way about me doing this interview with this Mexican gang or whatever, like, the day before we were on the podcast and he was talking about how free speech is so important. 00:28:36 Speaker 3: And I'm kind of like, well, okay. 00:28:39 Speaker 4: Like if free speech is really important, like is it free speech for everybody or is it free speech just for people that you are not beefing with? 00:28:45 Speaker 2: Sometimes I hate that cop out or the free speech thing. Cause I think people maybe on your staff, I don't want to speak for them. Just I'm guessing are uncomfortable with that. Not because of free speech, just because what is being promoted or made, they may have ties that have something to do with that gang or gang violence that, they're not cool i don't know if that's free speech they could just be like no it's free speech it's. 00:29:05 Speaker 4: Cool well that's what he said he said it's hate speech not free speech and i'm like okay if you're really a free speech absolutist then you're not supposed to even believe that hate speech is a real thing hate speech is like a classification of speech that you're saying is too dangerous and i'm not a free speech absolutist either because if you sign on for that you're signing on for a lot of like really weird shit you know so. 00:29:23 Speaker 2: As as a viewer i did watch the pop smoke killer interview i did watch it um you supported that No, I was conflicted in watching it, but then I also think about the amount of 60 minute interviews I've watched a fucking killers before. And it's, I do get. I too understand why people give you so much pushback on those types of things from their perspective. I do get it, but I sometimes also feel like we're very hypocritical when it comes to the stuff that we watch. I've watched 10 Sammy the Bull interviews in the last week. This guy's killed 19 public people. 00:30:02 Speaker 3: We all sat down like a family and watched the whole Dharma series. 00:30:04 Speaker 2: Like came over here, talked about it. Like, you know what I mean? 00:30:08 Speaker 3: Those families are still like. 00:30:09 Speaker 4: But you want to know one thing that this says is actually like a good thing about hip hop is that like hip hop views itself as enough of a community that it actually views individual hip hop content creators as having like a responsibility to the whole. 00:30:20 Speaker 3: Yeah. Which is interesting. 00:30:22 Speaker 2: The entire story. 00:30:23 Speaker 4: And I was around Pog Smoke. We were supposed to do an interview at one point. I did a short. 00:30:27 Speaker 3: Interview with him at Rolling Loud. 00:30:29 Speaker 4: And I'm not like, you know, there are a lot of interviewers that could interview somebody like the kid Blockstar and get away with it. But like people know that I know what's going on. They know that I understand a lot of the intricacies of this. So I can't really like do an interview and just act naive to it. 00:30:48 Speaker 3: Boost Mobile is proving that you don't have to overpay for great wireless. 00:30:52 Speaker 2: I don't know if you heard that, Rory. 00:30:53 Speaker 3: I have not. 00:30:54 Speaker 5: But you can unlock the savings with $ 25 a month for every unlimited plan. It's a permanent price with no contracts and no price hikes. You can keep your phone and your number, but you have up to $ 600 a year compared to the major carriers. Stop overpaying and switch to a fair price at BoostMobile.com today. 00:31:10 Speaker 2: Based on average annual single line payment of AT & T, Verizon, and T-Mobile, customers compared to 12 months on the Boost Mobile unlimited plan As of January, 2026, full offer details, visit boost mobile.com. I hear what you're saying. So I guess I will ask one that would hit a little bit closer and condolences. Cause I know X, you guys were very close. Would you have interviewed X's killers? 00:31:36 Speaker 4: Holy shit. I would get so much shit for that. But honestly, like that would be unbelievably interesting. 00:31:42 Speaker 3: Like, God, I would feel. 00:31:43 Speaker 2: That hits you directly. 00:31:46 Speaker 4: Yeah. That hits me closer, but I do feel like, man, there's part of me that thinks that those dudes who killed them are like such meatheads that they just would barely even be able to have a decent conversation. 00:31:56 Speaker 3: But yeah, I think I would do that. 00:31:58 Speaker 4: I think I would be willing to have that conversation just because I think that, Part of the reason why I wanted to interview that Mexican gang too is because I feel like there's a lot of stuff that's being said about them that probably is hyperbolic because people are telling me like, oh, they have like a rule that if they see an innocent black kid that they have to kill him. 00:32:17 Speaker 5: So you're saying you want to get to uncover what's real and what's not. 00:32:20 Speaker 4: When it feels like there's a big disparity between the truth and what people are saying publicly, it kind of just feels like that's something that's more interesting. 00:32:29 Speaker 3: And I'm

not saying that that's true or not about that gang for the record. I have no idea if that's true or not. But it's like the fact that there's so many. 00:32:35 Speaker 4: people behind the scenes who will speak about them in like whispered tones like i don't know that just makes it so much more interesting to me and i guess that's how i feel about x's killers is that it's like for sure these guys like i don't know if they would try to defend it or act like it was okay like i think they said things like while they were locked up they were kind of like poking fun at the family and shit so i would be super interested i mean i guess really the responsible thing would be to do it And then like, at least be open-minded about not putting it out. 00:33:06 Speaker 2: Well, do you have a relationship with X's family? 00:33:09 Speaker 7: Mom? 00:33:09 Speaker 2: I'm not even sure. I don't know much about X's family. 00:33:12 Speaker 3: She's still around. 00:33:12 Speaker 4: I haven't talked to her in years, but I did go and spend some time with her, uh, after his funeral and everything. 00:33:18 Speaker 3: And, uh, so yeah, I. 00:33:19 Speaker 4: Guess that's one option that I can ask her, but it's not like I asked Bob's mom, you know, which. 00:33:24 Speaker 2: Is kind of saying, cause you had a relationship with, you managed them at some point, right? 00:33:28 Speaker 3: Uh, I mean, but, whatever. Yeah. We said that I was managing. 00:33:33 Speaker 2: Don't really know what that means. 00:33:34 Speaker 3: But I was crazy though. 00:33:35 Speaker 4: Cause I was like him knowing that if I was his manager, that it would be like really, really good for me. He like knew that he was giving me a gift by telling me to start saying that, but I never did anything managerial. 00:33:47 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:33:47 Speaker 2: With X. I mean, I was admittedly late to X. It wasn't until he passed. And one of my friends, Bruno from Florida played me his music. I was like, Oh, I had him. I judged a book by its cover. that kid was a genius in his own right. Um, is there any guests or interview that you have turned down before that you were like, nah, I'm not touching that. 00:34:09 Speaker 4: Oh, I turned down Quentin Miller back in the day because it was like a week after Drake followed me on Instagram. 00:34:14 Speaker 3: So I was like, Oh, I can't do this. It's going to fuck up. 00:34:16 Speaker 2: Look at where you draw the line. Possible is killers five, but let's not put Quentin Miller up on the fucker. 00:34:21 Speaker 4: You got to try to like play those games because like, all right, a little dirt don't fuck with me, but it's because I interviewed so many people that are like way smaller than him that, he had issues with or that they chose to speak about him. I'll probably put like G Herbo in a similar box. So you have to make those strategic decisions with your interviews of like, am I going to interview all these people that have interesting stories to tell about the famous guy? Or am I going to just kind of hold out and wait on the famous guy? And I guess at a certain point, I kind of chose to just be more of the attitude of like, bro, I'm just talking to whoever. And if you, if you're not going to not fuck with me because I did that, like Vlad has to do that. He didn't, he didn't interview Charleston white for like three years. Cause he was fucking with Boosie and then Boosie turns his back on him. 00:35:06 Speaker 3: Boom. He's back with Charleston white. You know, it's like, you kind of got. 00:35:08 Speaker 2: To, that's nasty. 00:35:09 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:35:10 Speaker 2: I don't think Quentin went on like a crazy. 00:35:12 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:35:12 Speaker 4: And I think at that time that Drake probably wouldn't have given a shit if I interviewed him either. And also clearly Drake wasn't playing on doing an interview at that time. But at that moment I was, uh, I thought it was worth turning down. 00:35:23 Speaker 3: I get it. 00:35:24 Speaker 2: In retrospect now, I mean, I feel like I just recently saw you rapping in a park somewhere and threw a shot at T-Rail or something. I scrolled past that. Adam, respectfully, every time that you rap, I do scroll past it pretty quickly. 00:35:39 Speaker 3: You should see my notepad. I don't need to see it. They thought I stole it from. 00:35:47 Speaker 2: From a leadership perspective, is there anything you would change when it comes to AD, T-Rail, House Phone, Gina, just your former staff in general. 00:35:59 Speaker 4: I guess in retrospect, yeah, I would have tried to be more hospitable, more of a person just in general because I know that my communication style is kind of like, drill sergeant. 00:36:15 Speaker 3: Esque or whatever like i don't really real i don't see. 00:36:17 Speaker 4: The reason to be like overwhelmingly nice a lot of the time which i think is a something that people like it doesn't make sense to me that people need me to be nice to them in order for them to feel good about me but that is actually how normal human beings are and like i kind of have to like remind myself of that like in my relationship too it's like the little nice gestures mean a lot even though like in my head that shit shouldn't matter like as a person who just like doesn't really do holidays or birthdays or like all that shit has got to do to me. Like, I just, I'm like, I don't know. My brain is just not like tailored to, to work that way. And so part of me wishes that I had just been like a lot more involved with micromanaging certain people's feelings. But then at the same time, um, I think a lot of that shit, like I don't, I don't worry about people leaving no jumper now really, because I feel like everybody kind of understands the economics of podcasting, but there was shit in the air in 2023. 00:37:12 Speaker 3: That was just very like. 00:37:16 Speaker 4: Everybody thought that you were just going to be able to make millions. 00:37:19 Speaker 3: Oh yeah. This

podcast. Well, I mean, it was the podcast in general. 00:37:22 Speaker 7: Yeah. 00:37:23 Speaker 4: And so I don't know that like as nice as I could have been or as closer as I could have been to people. I don't know that that would have necessarily overrided the fact that a lot of people kind of saw that moment as their opportunity to really get rich by splitting from no jumper and owning what they're doing, which now everybody on no jumper, I feel like they get it because they, they get to do their own platform being on no jumper helps augment that but ultimately like they don't really have a reason to leave because it's just you know you can do both right there's a lot of hours in the day. 00:37:53 Speaker 2: But do you i mean do you think that was what everyone's gripe was of just they were just trying to get rich or they had a gripe with leadership i never. 00:38:00 Speaker 4: Really like identified exactly what the gripe would have been like because i remember like in the months after they left like seeing a lot of clips of t-rail like kind of trying to explain why they left and it never really made sense to me like the worst shit that they said was like that they didn't get paid enough for whatever, which was like, Oh, you could ask for more. Like you never asked for any more really. And like certain things like, Uh, I just remember them complaining about like, and there were like weird personal things too. At one point I did a debate with Richard Spencer and destiny and Richard Spencer was like a former neo-Nazi and that got painted as like, Adam is platforming neo-Nazis. 00:38:37 Speaker 3: And like some people kind of ran with that. 00:38:40 Speaker 4: So, I mean, there were like little things like that, but just in general, I think that the main factor was just people thinking differently. that there was a huge money opportunity on the other side of leaving no jumper and really like replacing no jumper. Cause that was their plan was like, Oh, this shit is going to die if we leave. And within like six months, I think it was pretty clear. 00:38:59 Speaker 3: Like, Oh no, no, no, no. 00:39:00 Speaker 4: That's like, there's, there's more people that are going to help hold this thing down, you know? And I feel like a lot of our best hosts have came since then in the form of like munchie. 00:39:08 Speaker 3: B brick baby. 00:39:09 Speaker 4: I'm pretty proud of a lot of the hosts that we found after the fact whack. 00:39:15 Speaker 2: I think to show you have a whack is the best thing on the platform. When we sat down with you, I don't know, was it three years now? 00:39:22 Speaker 3: Three years ago? I guess. Four years ago. I've lost track of time since Amara. 00:39:25 Speaker 4: It was a weird time because you guys were in this weird quiet period as far as the Joe thing. I forget exactly, but I feel like you guys were kind of cool at that point. 00:39:35 Speaker 3: It was a weird time. 00:39:37 Speaker 2: We had told you that we didn't want to go up there to talk about that. If that's what you wanted to talk about, then we're cool. 00:39:43 Speaker 3: And you're like, no. 00:39:43 Speaker 4: Certain people would be like, why'd you miss the opportunity to ask them about that? And I was like, everyone was asking about that at the time. It was so played out at that moment. 00:39:50 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:39:51 Speaker 2: I'll back to everyone. I told Adam, if we're going up there, Maul and I have no interest in talking about that situation. Yeah. We'll go up there if you want to talk about some other shit, but we don't want to... do a whole hour interview now i actually that was pretty recent yeah post the breakup you. 00:40:04 Speaker 4: Know i'm anti low-hanging fruit when something's played out like and especially with you guys i just felt like there's a million different things we could talk about. 00:40:11 Speaker 5: No and we appreciate it like yeah definitely appreciated that but i asked ad when we were there i said ad do you feel like adam is a culture vulture and ad said no if i was to ask adam that today. 00:40:22 Speaker 2: What do you think his response would be to that. 00:40:25 Speaker 4: I mean i feel like I feel like AD will say whatever to help with whatever victim narrative he's trying to push at that time. 00:40:31 Speaker 3: So I feel like he probably would just be like, yeah. And then you'd be like, why? And he'd be like, I don't know. 00:40:36 Speaker 2: I don't know. 00:40:38 Speaker 3: That's how I picture it going. I don't know. I mean, you know. 00:40:41 Speaker 2: Do you think AD has played victim in this? Not to say that I've been that tapped in with the breakup. Yeah, I really honestly have. And I do watch AD's play. I haven't watched a lot of him talk about no jumper. I've watched him do other stuff. You think victim is the word? 00:40:55 Speaker 4: Early on, I think they really wanted to weaponize that sort of victim narrative and try to act like they were treated badly, but then they couldn't really figure out what to say in terms of why they were treated badly. And then there was one week where I remember them doing live streams being like, we weren't compensated or paid correctly. And then that didn't last that long because I think that they realized how... hypocritical it looks because they weren't paying the people who are on their platform so i don't know like to me like the culture vulture thing it's like bro i gave him a job i paid him like more than anybody ever paid him in his whole life to come and do like six hours a week of podcasts and was always cool to him like pretty much let him do whatever he wanted on the podcast or whatever so if he were to say that that was some culture vulture shit i don't really understand how he would have arrived at that because I felt like I pretty much just like let them run wild. 00:41:43 Speaker 3: If anything, I think I was like a little too loose with it. I was like my biggest error. 00:41:47 Speaker 4: I

think as a boss is just tend to like, let people just go and do whatever. And it's like, that's not how you hire employees. You need to have like very strict, like, this is what we're doing. These are your responsibilities. If you don't do these responsibilities, then we're going to have a big issue. And I think that that that's how you hire somebody. And my thing has always just been kind of like, I'm doing all this content. So I'm going to hire you and just like, whatever, like, And so that, if anything, I regret that. 00:42:11 Speaker 5: Three former hosts or guests that you had on the Adam 22 platform that you let go, that if given the opportunity to make things right and bring them back, who would they be? 00:42:21 Speaker 2: Three of them. 00:42:23 Speaker 4: Uh, my boy house phone from back in the day, like he was like my friend before the podcast and we ended up falling out over some sort of gossipy type. 00:42:30 Speaker 3: Shit that still doesn't really sit right with me. So he's definitely one. 00:42:34 Speaker 4: And then there's this other dude, Blasey, who's like a content, a clothing designer, designer in general. And he kind of left during all that shit too. And I actually saw him at comics con the other day and that was cool. So he's, he's probably the other one. And then, uh, Um, this dude. 00:42:48 Speaker 3: Do know, I don't know if you know, do know he's yeah, he, he was, he was funny. 00:42:52 Speaker 4: Like his podcasting was kind of limited, but he was funny as fuck at times. So like he was a good vibe and he's, he's had a bunch of success, uh, podcasting wise him and this guy, uh, Jakarta, I believe it was his name. 00:43:03 Speaker 3: They, they started a podcast together after. 00:43:06 Speaker 4: No jumper and they like, they just did a Yale and murder shit and they did flagrant out here. 00:43:13 Speaker 3: So those probably would be the three that will come to mind first. 00:43:17 Speaker 2: What was the context of you running into Gina? That was like a few weeks ago, I want to say. 00:43:21 Speaker 3: I was at ComplexCon and I was live streaming. 00:43:23 Speaker 2: Started trolling Gina. 00:43:25 Speaker 3: Yeah, I know. Started trolling her fucking little bit. I just saw the photo. 00:43:27 Speaker 2: I didn't see the full actual clip. 00:43:28 Speaker 4: She just walked up and I was in line to get a water backstage in like the VIP area or whatever. 00:43:33 Speaker 3: And I'm standing there with a little pump and she... cuts us in line just a while i know i was a little pump way no water like the little pump you got like that's a crazy like asian blonde twins with them yeah. 00:43:48 Speaker 7: That makes sense that was cool yeah i was fucking with that but um she like cut us and i'm on stream and so i just started like saying her name a bunch because i just wanted to talk to her and i just thought maybe maybe she'll talk to us and then. 00:43:59 Speaker 3: No you were trolling adam i was like gina Exactly. 00:44:02 Speaker 2: That's trolling. 00:44:03 Speaker 3: You don't say Gina's name like that. 00:44:04 Speaker 2: I saw the screenshot of it. No, he was trolling Gina. 00:44:06 Speaker 4: I was just trying to chat. And it happened to me with a bunch of people because Lefty Gunplay, same thing. I talked to him on the internet. We went back and forth. 00:44:12 Speaker 3: I see him. Lefty Gunplay. 00:44:14 Speaker 2: Yeah, but you and Gina, she was a little deeper, no? 00:44:17 Speaker 3: For sure. Because I cried with her. I cried with her. 00:44:20 Speaker 2: I'm not even going to say why. How about how she felt? Just because you cried with her? 00:44:23 Speaker 3: No, because we did. 00:44:24 Speaker 4: I did an interview with her and she, I'm not even going to say it because it'll sound trashy as fuck for me to mention it, but she talked about some real shit that she went through in her life. 00:44:31 Speaker 3: And I just felt like we had a real, I don't know. I don't cry with people. I don't, I don't, I ain't crying with y'all. 00:44:39 Speaker 2: So because you cried about her trauma. 00:44:41 Speaker 3: I think me and her cried together talking about her trauma. So it's, I guess. 00:44:46 Speaker 2: So I don't, it's not like this podcast is team Gina. 00:44:49 Speaker 3: So I was always so shocked when she started hating on me. Cause I'm like, who the fuck ever did more? 00:44:54 Speaker 2: She was mad about the, the, the slave owner thing. 00:44:56 Speaker 3: No, I guess she got mad about that joke at some point. 00:44:59 Speaker 2: So you can't be like, yo, I cried with her. Why is she mad? 00:45:01 Speaker 3: It was laugh at the joke. I didn't even say the joke. 00:45:04 Speaker 2: But you have to listen. If she feels a way about that, you got to hear a chance to say. 00:45:08 Speaker 3: And I think she also feels a way because it was on camera. 00:45:11 Speaker 5: Cause that was a thing. Like I remember saying, get the camera on my face. And you was like, the camera's not in your face. 00:45:16 Speaker 3: Yeah. So I think if the camera wasn't on, maybe I could have had a better reaction. 00:45:20 Speaker 4: Kind of like you know maybe she does talk to a lot of people on my team but apparently i'm i'm still off limits but yeah i don't know i just like it it does get to me when people try to do the thing where they tell you to stop filming in public yeah because it's like you have no basis you have no right to tell me to stop filming right i can film wherever the fuck i want this is america and that's not like the nicest way. 00:45:41 Speaker 2: To say it but that law but that law i don't know and as someone that someone that has done things on stream they're not proud of either i still think If somebody puts a fucking camera in your face, you should have every right to say, get that fucking camera away from me. 00:45:55 Speaker 3: Right, but. 00:45:56 Speaker 2: I don't care about the Constitution at that point. If somebody's putting a

camera in my face, get this shit away from me. 00:46:00 Speaker 3: Because I was looking up, like, could a city ban IRL streaming? 00:46:04 Speaker 7: No. 00:46:04 Speaker 2: No, it's legitimately in the Constitution that you can film anywhere that's a public sidewalk. I get that, but people have turned that into purposely trolling people to get a reaction out of them when they're modding their business. 00:46:14 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I don't want to do that. Because I do see people do that constantly in the streaming age. Yeah, so I feel that, but I don't know. I was just trying to talk to her. 00:46:21 Speaker 3: But were you really. 00:46:21 Speaker 2: Trying to talk to her, or were you just trying to, like, poke some fun? 00:46:24 Speaker 4: No, I would have 100% had a real conversation with her right there. 00:46:27 Speaker 3: It's just like, I don't know. 00:46:28 Speaker 4: A lot of people decide they don't fuck with you and then they'll never speak to you again. At least with me, like this is the same thing with that lefty gunplay thing. He just, I thought when I saw you that if I approached you and try to have a conversation with you, that you would view that as some man shit. And instead it's like, no, you walked away. And then the comments are like, Adam, you're the bitch. And I'm like, I was trying to talk to him. 00:46:48 Speaker 3: I don't get it. 00:46:48 Speaker 2: I didn't see the lefty gunplay thing. What is the history that y'all have that's a problem? 00:46:52 Speaker 4: I just did an interview with him. And in the interview, I said, how do you feel about people saying you're the Mexican Crip Mac? Because he's burnt out as fuck. And he was basically like, he kind of got a little annoyed by me saying it in the interview. And it was harmless. But then he goes on other people's platforms and they... basically were like how do you feel about adam trying to humiliate you by calling you the mexican crib mag and then that turned into him just talking shit so i was like i don't know he got into a whack too and then so but it was weird because it's like i felt like me and him could have had a great content relationship together but then instead i got to spend like two years like heaping dirt on him and trashing him at every possible opportunity and it's like at a certain point do you not like look at that and say like damn maybe i should have played nice with the media. 00:47:35 Speaker 5: Has the I guess it's a little, but it's just something I would want to know. And I don't know if we'll keep us or not, but. 00:47:42 Speaker 3: Has the police or those type of questions? I don't know. 00:47:48 Speaker 2: We'll see how we'll see how this goes. 00:47:50 Speaker 3: I don't know. 00:47:50 Speaker 2: I respect that. 00:47:51 Speaker 5: So has the police or feds ever reached out to you for footage from your security cameras and inside your establishment? 00:48:00 Speaker 2: And if they did, have you ever turned over any footage to the police? 00:48:04 Speaker 4: The only thing that the feds have ever had any kind of communication with me about, and I didn't speak to them, my lawyer did, but they wanted a copy of a cease and desist that was sent to me by Big U and his legal team. Because at one point, we interviewed this guy, Luce Cannon, who now has fed charges in his own right. But he basically went on the podcast and claimed that... Big U had prior knowledge that Nipsey was going to get killed. 00:48:34 Speaker 2: I saw that. 00:48:34 Speaker 4: That's a wild thing to say, basically insinuating that he ordered it or officiated it. And then was also talking about robbing weed stores with Big U, which that's one thing that he is being charged with right now. So the feds wanted a copy of the cease and desist because I guess the cease and desist was... you know, that's kind of like him acknowledging that that is something that he wanted to delete it off the internet, which I guess I could see how that would be interesting to the feds. And, uh, my lawyer basically said, you could forward them the email. It's fine to just give them the cease and desist. Cause I mean, it wasn't like anything proprietary, but I mean, I would have a harder decision to make if, uh, I don't know like if it really was something but like i don't let anybody do anything illegal up at the office or whatever so it's kind of hard for me to imagine like what they would even come on there was. 00:49:27 Speaker 3: The big fight adam i've seen i've seen footage and then people are smoking weed and shit i won't even let people do nitrous in the building Well, outside, they're getting it popping. These motherfuckers want to do nitrous. 00:49:36 Speaker 2: Yeah, but right outside. Right outside, they're getting it popping. 00:49:38 Speaker 3: Yeah, that fucking line. Trust me, the fight. 00:49:41 Speaker 2: I saw every angle of that. It gets shaken out there. It gets a little crazy. 00:49:44 Speaker 4: As a person who is out a couple hundred grand in legal fees from that fight. 00:49:48 Speaker 2: I can only imagine. 00:49:49 Speaker 5: So that's why I asked what I asked you, because I can only imagine that at some point. What was that conversation like with Wack afterwards? 00:49:56 Speaker 4: Yeah, I was annoyed with Wack because Wack's attitude was basically like, if a man is in another man's face and they about to fight or whatever, then it ain't my responsibility or it's too dangerous for me to try to stop that fight. And I'm like, bruh, you're getting sued and i'm getting sued you could have saved us both huge amounts of money if you had just intervened and said and you were with your boys you could have told your boys to help stop the situation tell them hey go on the sidewalk go in the street go down the block whatever which probably you still get sued i don't know but yeah i was a little annoyed that he didn't take a little bit more of an active role in that but a lot of people think that he like started

that fight or like initiated it or invited the guys who got beat up which i still don't have any reason to think that Yeah. 00:50:38 Speaker 2: From the story I heard, even outside of WAC, it didn't seem like he had any connection to that. Those guys just showed up from what I saw. 00:50:45 Speaker 3: But I think there might've been a reason why they showed up. 00:50:47 Speaker 4: Like they might've had a meeting that got canceled and maybe they didn't know that it got canceled or something. 00:50:51 Speaker 3: There was a reason why they were there. I just don't personally know. 00:50:54 Speaker 2: So, I mean, at this point, do you keep. Cause you've had people from your staff go to jail. Is that something you keep in the back of your mind and what responsibility do you feel towards that? Even when we watched Chris Gotti was just talking about Jay-Z showing up at their trial and having to talk him into doing that. Do you feel like there's a responsibility when you go into business with somebody that you need to be there when criminal activity? 00:51:18 Speaker 4: I mean, some like, I'm going to be real, like I'm going to send a break baby the money the whole time he'd been locked up. Cause that's like my real friend. But at the same time, given how much stuff has happened, I would really probably be signing myself up for an amount of legal fees that I just would not be able to handle. My boy, Jay Hood, who I brought on to do the podcast, he just caught a case. They said he robbed a store for $ 200, 000 worth of purses. you know, it's like this shit just kind of, it just happens. Like, I don't know my boy and Hefe a couple months ago, he got charged with a murder in a parking lot somewhere. 00:51:55 Speaker 3: So it's like, it's weird. 00:51:56 Speaker 4: Cause I get to see the chill, normal, cool version of these guys. 00:51:59 Speaker 3: Like and Hefe, he's charged with a murder. 00:52:03 Speaker 4: All I ever knew him for was smoking girl scout cookies and showing up and like maybe having some lean in his cup or whatever. 00:52:08 Speaker 3: Like, but he was always on some super chill shit. 00:52:10 Speaker 4: And then you read some shit like that and you're. 00:52:12 Speaker 3: Like, damn, like, you maybe were involved with this murder like what the fuck like i don't know man it's just like i i'll admit though that i'm drawn to dangerous people like you. 00:52:25 Speaker 2: Know even why why why do you think that i think i've. 00:52:28 Speaker 3: Always just been is it dangerous white people or dangerous black people uh a little bit of both but i've just always. 00:52:34 Speaker 4: Been name the dangerous whites Dangerous Whites was more like back in the day going to hardcore shows and the insane amounts of violence I saw back in that era. There were crews that were kind of gangs where I grew up that I was mega fascinated by. And then I get into credit card fraud. And so all of a sudden, I was kind of hanging out with a bunch of Russians and

people, Czechoslovakian dudes and stuff who were real weird white people doing crime like that. 00:53:00 Speaker 3: And then... And I'm in the BMX game for all these years. 00:53:04 Speaker 4: And I'm not going to lie, like a lot of white dudes in BMX, but then I moved to Brooklyn and all of a sudden I'm around like some crazy fucking dudes, Edwin De La Rosa and Mike Hoder and Tyrone Williams, a lot of New York city legends and shit out here at that time. 00:53:17 Speaker 3: So I just have always noticed that even though I at least. 00:53:22 Speaker 4: Like post the credit card fraud era, I've always kind of been concerned with keeping my nose clean. I never really wanted to like break the law or like do things that I thought were likely to get me in trouble. But I've always been like really interested in people who were criminals or breaking the law, et cetera. 00:53:38 Speaker 3: So really like, then I get. 00:53:40 Speaker 4: Into doing rap content finally after all these years doing BMX stuff. And I'm kind of like, I get into it because I'm hanging out with all these like little pumps and smoke perps or whatever, who are, they're dangerous in their own right. They're running around with guns, which I'd never really been hanging out with people who had guns on them and shit. They're doing all these drugs. They're young as fuck doing drugs. They got all kinds of crazy girls coming through, whatever. But then like, it really only took a couple of years before I was like hanging out with like actual street dudes and stuff, you know? 00:54:05 Speaker 3: So I don't know. 00:54:06 Speaker 4: I always have felt kind of drawn to it, even though I've never really, I've always been, I think wise enough to not want to engage myself. 00:54:14 Speaker 2: Do you think that trickled over into your sex life? 00:54:17 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true right there. 00:54:19 Speaker 4: I don't know anybody who was a millionaire and then started doing porn besides me. 00:54:26 Speaker 2: A millionaire and then started doing porn. 00:54:28 Speaker 4: Normally, like somebody said to me the other day, they go, there's no nepo babies in porn. that's a fact nobody's like rich never crossed my mind hilarious nobody's rich and then gets into porn it's always a girl who says you know what this is the most money i can make. 00:54:42 Speaker 3: Yeah i don't want to make getting out the game i don't want to make 5k a month i want to make 50 so i'm doing porn that's like. 00:54:47 Speaker 5: Who is the and i don't want to get you in trouble with your wife but who is the hottest 90 days porn star that you've met and who had the best sex outside of your wife. 00:54:59 Speaker 3: I mean, there's so many. 00:55:00 Speaker 5: In person, she was like, she looks better in person than you thought she looked on video. 00:55:05 Speaker 3: I mean, there's so many popping in my head. Limitless. But the girl Sky Bree that we signed. Okay. 00:55:10 Speaker 4: She was kind of a crazy one just because like she had been DMing me for like a year or two and she had like 3000 followers. And I'm looking at her photos, just thinking, nah, there's no way you don't really look like this. And then I met her and I was like, Oh my God, like, how is this real? And we actually signed her. So that was kind of crazy. Um, I mean, like I know there's, there's so many of the problem in my head though. 00:55:31 Speaker 3: This is the chick, Ms. Alexa, who wears a mask. Oh yeah. 00:55:35 Speaker 2: I mean, she's like the MF doing her body is crazy. 00:55:37 Speaker 3: Thank you. Yeah. 00:55:38 Speaker 2: Her body is insane. 00:55:39 Speaker 3: Her name's Ms. 00:55:41 Speaker 2: Have you seen her without the mask? 00:55:42 Speaker 3: Yeah. Behind the scenes. Is she, is she like, she's pretty. 00:55:45 Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah. 00:55:46 Speaker 2: Her body is insane. 00:55:47 Speaker 3: Retarded. Yeah, definitely. 00:55:49 Speaker 2: Talking like, yo, I saw Daft Punk without the mask on. 00:55:52 Speaker 3: Is she money bag worthy? 00:55:53 Speaker 2: Definitely. 00:55:54 Speaker 3: 50? 00:55:55 Speaker 2: Definitely. Definitely. 00:55:57 Speaker 3: Maybe two comments, 50 each. 00:55:58 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, definitely. 00:55:59 Speaker 3: Definitely. I mean, there's a lot though. I mean, I could just sit around and list them off all day. 00:56:03 Speaker 4: If I were to like Google my plug talk scenes right now, I would just be over and over like, oh my gosh. 00:56:08 Speaker 3: I just like I'm too much of a fan of sex. 00:56:10 Speaker 2: Have y'all shot with Alexis Texas? 00:56:12 Speaker 4: No, but I got interviewed by her. And then at one point I did hit her up and she had basically said that she was kind of done doing scenes. 00:56:19 Speaker 7: Oh, okay. 00:56:20 Speaker 3: Okay. Yeah. She's great. 00:56:21 Speaker 2: We sat down with her a few years ago. 00:56:22 Speaker 3: It's super cool. It's Texas. 00:56:25 Speaker 2: I mean, how does that affect when that's your business? But like, this is way too personal question. Just curious what long-term relationship. Do y'all like fuck outside of work? 00:56:36 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:56:36 Speaker 4: But definitely sometimes, you know, we've had weeks where we're shooting four scenes and. 00:56:40 Speaker 3: Then it's like... Don't touch me. 00:56:41 Speaker 2: Because just as a man that's been in a long-term relationship that works, that's not in the porn world, I get home and I don't know if I want to have sex. 00:56:48 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:56:49 Speaker 4: So like sometimes that happens where it's like, you know, if you just shot two scenes with your wife, like for sure you're not like going home and being like, hey, so I'm off a honey pack. 00:56:57 Speaker 3: You want to go for round three? Dude. 00:57:00 Speaker 2: Yo, Adam, I ain't going to lie. I would. 00:57:03 Speaker 3: I take pity on her. 00:57:05 Speaker 2: When you first. 00:57:05 Speaker 5: Announced that you were allowing or you and Lena had

talked and you were OK with her shooting, you know, scenes with, was it Jason Love at the time? 00:57:16 Speaker 3: It was the first one. 00:57:17 Speaker 5: Um, we sat here and we talked and I was like, there's no way Adam's marriage is going to survive this because I just thought I was like, I get it. Adam wants to, you know, he wants to let his wife, you know, she, this is what she known for. 00:57:29 Speaker 2: She's a legend. 00:57:30 Speaker 5: Don't want to stop her from doing it. But y'all are family. Y'all marry now different dynamic. And I sat in, I was like, I give Adam and Lena maybe a year before, um, And I don't know how long it's been since I said that, maybe a. 00:57:45 Speaker 3: Little more than a year. Three and a half, maybe? Three, yeah. How much of that do you attribute to maybe some of the... Because I know you said it was the fact you. 00:57:56 Speaker 5: Work so many hours and you come home, you're not really present and not really, you know, but how much of the, you know, she's now working and doing scenes outside of your relationship. How much of that do you attribute to some of the tension or issues in your marriage? 00:58:09 Speaker 4: Not not a lot, honestly, because like it just never really like that's not the thing we fight over. 00:58:16 Speaker 3: Like, you know. 00:58:18 Speaker 4: There has been times where I kind of got like buyer's remorse, I guess, in the sense of like. 00:58:22 Speaker 3: It's a whole crazy way to put it. 00:58:23 Speaker 4: This seemed like a great idea for you to do this and get this money and go viral at this time. And then now I'm kind of looking at it like, fuck, like maybe I don't want to live this way. Especially like when we broke up for those couple of months too, where I started to like really kind of. think about it and be like well if we get back together do i want to like keep doing this like letting her do scenes with other guys or whatever but i don't know part of it like part of the initial impetus came from like this is the most viral thing we could possibly do and it's like yeah i gotta take the l but it'll be so viral that it'll make so much money that it'll be worth it that was kind of like how i justified that and then also it was kind of like i felt guilty in a way because i've never said this on camera before but basically like her only fans was killing it Then we start plug talks. together and all of a sudden it actually takes a bite out of her only fans because it's like really well filmed high quality threesome scenes of her on the plug talk only fans. So it would be pretty understandable for her fans to be like, nah, I'm going to go to this instead. Then she shoots the scene with Jason Love. And her numbers have just been like ridiculous since then. It was like a total new lease on her career in the sense of like making her new and exciting in the porn fans' minds. And I kind of felt like after me and her had done like 500 threesomes or whatever, that it was just

kind of like, okay, I'll let you get one. And then I think she did 10 other. other scenes since then. So that, that is kind of the weird part too, is that people think that she's like going and shooting porn every day. It's more just like once in a blue. Um, and yeah, I mean, I've, I've kind of had like, you know, if I got into another relationship with another girl who does only fans, I probably would not do it again, but it did seem like a fair decision at that time. And it, it definitely, it worked like a little too good in the sense that like when I'm at brand risk, um, And there's a bunch of like aspiring streamers. I can just see it in their eyes that they just want to come up and get a clip off of me by talking about that. 01:00:26 Speaker 3: You know, it's like, it's so easy. 01:00:28 Speaker 4: It's just like the lowest hanging fruit, the easiest clip to get. And when you consider that, you know, for many years prior to that, I've been doing this hip hop content or even the BMX content from before that. Like, you know, I do read the comments of people like, bro, I loved you when you were a BMX content creator. I loved doing your interviews, rappers, and now you're a fucking cuck. 01:00:47 Speaker 3: Yeah. I get it. 01:00:50 Speaker 4: Cause it's like, even if porn is a very small percentage of my time out of every week, it's very, very loud. It's like, it's very hard to pay attention to anything else. 01:01:01 Speaker 3: Well, nothing else sells that. Nothing else sells sex. Yeah. 01:01:03 Speaker 4: And I've had the experience where I sit down at a poker table. And like pretty quickly, I realized every single person at this table knows me from porn and nobody knows me from having anything to do with hip hop. 01:01:13 Speaker 3: Right. 01:01:14 Speaker 4: Because they're not hip hop people and everybody knows at least a little bit about porn, it seems. So, you know, yeah, it's crazy just like how much more I got than I knew I was going to get by biting off paws. 01:01:25 Speaker 3: The Jason Love thing. 01:01:27 Speaker 2: Yeah. Is there absolutely one thing that. 01:01:31 Speaker 5: You told Leonard, like, this is absolute because you seem like a guy that's very like, you know, like, live your life, do what you do. But is it as a man? It has to be one thing where you're like, but that absolutely not. 01:01:44 Speaker 3: Did the. 01:01:46 Speaker 4: Kissing was like my main thing which i know sounds insane but to me that's just like sounds insane yeah that to me is more intimate like if i make out with a girl that to me is a lot more intimate than me just having sex with her without making out with her so that that to me was like number one thing is like definitely no kissing i didn't say no rimming but if i had thought of it i would have said that. 01:02:09 Speaker 2: That never crossed your mind? 01:02:10 Speaker 3: It did not do that, but it didn't even cross my mind. It could be. 01:02:14 Speaker 2: On the cutting room floor. Maybe they did it anyway. 01:02:17 Speaker 5: So you can't kiss Jason Love, but if he wants to squat on your face. 01:02:22 Speaker 3: Not that either. 01:02:24 Speaker 2: I mean, at this point with everything, including like fighting Jason Love, do you feel like you've hit the Heath Ledger Joker thing where you don't know what's real life and what's not content at this point? 01:02:36 Speaker 4: No, because like the actual truth is that me and Jason Love are super cool. I've seen him at a party the other day. 01:02:40 Speaker 2: I was saying you guys aren't, but I'm saying even the idea of you guys fighting on camera, like at what point do we stop making this a spectacle? 01:02:49 Speaker 3: Probably that. Yeah. That was probably the last of the space. I don't know where you go from there. But, but okay. 01:02:55 Speaker 4: There was a thing where like, there was a clip that was on world star of. This girl, and she's a porn star, and she's talking about Jason and talking about how she was in Thailand with Jason, and he got in trouble for having child porn on his computer and all this shit. 01:03:09 Speaker 3: She's not talking about Jason Love. She's talking about some other guy named Jason. 01:03:12 Speaker 4: But Worldstar somehow posted this and acted like they were talking about Jason Love. And so I hit up Worldstar right away and got taken down. I'm like, you don't want to get sued. I would appreciate it if you could do this for me. I say that to say that I will go out of my way for Jason Love. 01:03:25 Speaker 3: I fuck with him. He's a good guy. 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Speaker 3: You- Willow Ryder and Abella Danger. Yes. 01:04:46 Speaker 2: Where do you stand on this old school versus new school? This is KRS-One versus Nelly in the porn world. 01:04:52 Speaker 4: Abella has a podcast now and she had a clip where she was basically saying, these girls these days don't fuck like we used to fuck and don't do don't have to go as hard as we did etc which is pretty easy to like understand because abella comes from the era before only fans where abella would have been so i'm sure she was playing money but she would have been so filthy rich out of her mind if she had gotten to porn like four years after she did but i think there's a lot of resentment from girls like her and mia khalifa and lana rhodes who were huge right before OnlyFans took over because these are the girls who would have been making like a million dollars a month off OnlyFans, you know? And so basically like, Abella said that and then Willow kind of like responded to her and basically said, I don't know exactly what she said, but she basically said, like, we do what we want now. Like, we get to do the kind of scenes that we want to do. We don't have to listen to directors. The truth is, is that that era of porn was like pretty shitty and exploitative. That's the era where you hear about a lot of directors fucking the girls and doing shady shit to them and being mean to them on camera and all this stuff that doesn't really work in the modern era. because the girls are just like way more powerful than the studios. Like if you are a girl in the porn game these days, you have all the power. If you're like a really popular girl, like, you know, everybody has to make you happy. You have to like, number one rule when I tell guys getting in the game is like, make the girls like you. That's all you have to worry about. Cause if they fuck with you, then you're good. And if they don't fuck with you, then you're fucked. 01:06:24 Speaker 3: Yeah. 01:06:25 Speaker 2: But Adam, I'm not gonna lie. 01:06:26 Speaker 5: Some of the money that, some of these girls make on OnlyFans is insane. And not saying this in a negative way, but it's like, when you look at it, you're like, what? 01:06:35 Speaker 2: But that's what Willow, Willow was basically saying, we're overcharging for what they did to the cold crush. Like, I understand you're mad, but why, why the fuck wouldn't we get our money for how bad y'all were treated before? No, I'm not going to sit on set with a bunch of creeps when I could make 10 times that in my crib. 01:06:49 Speaker 3: Yeah. 01:06:50 Speaker 2: Like, I understand that point. 01:06:51 Speaker 4: Bella Danger is probably making, you know, I'm going to guess like low six figures a month from posting like, her nudes and like she's going to college to be a fucking lawyer like her like her actual day-to-day is her doing something that has absolutely nothing to do with the porn world and like the girls like back in the day i've heard a lot of stories they

had shoot houses where like you'd have 10 15 girls living in the same house with bunk beds and they're bringing dudes over and they're doing drugs and shit is getting super. 01:07:17 Speaker 3: Weird and like sounds like a blue face drink. 01:07:18 Speaker 4: Yeah no literally and uh When I think about the game now, all the girls that I know who are making a lot of money, like, you know, if they want to film a gangbang or they want to film an anal scene or they want to do some crazy shit, like that's them making that decision. Like there's not really anybody like forcing them or promising them the world or whatever. They get to call their own shots. There's a lot less anal in porn these days because the girls are calling the shots, you know, like that's just like one weird. 01:07:42 Speaker 2: They got the publishing back. Who keeps the, who keeps track of that? I care. 01:07:46 Speaker 3: I see it. I see it. 01:07:48 Speaker 4: But back in the day it was like all anal, like not actually, but like, but damn near, like, because that was just what the guys want. 01:07:54 Speaker 3: And so therefore that's what they're going to do now. What happened to the genre? What the girls want to do matters a lot more. I missed when there was porn is dead, man. Look at, look at what's happening. 01:08:03 Speaker 2: Bring lyricism back. But I mean, I was talking to a porn star and because I'm just nosy, I was asking numbers cause I was just, just curious. And The way they're getting fucked over, which I would call the major labels of porn, I understand why the girls do OnlyFans. When she was telling me a certain number of how much more you get from anal, I was like, boycott. Y'all should be outside the fucking office with signs. That's how much you get paid? 01:08:29 Speaker 3: No back end? No pun intended? But it's bad for the. 01:08:32 Speaker 4: Companies now, too, because browsers have contract stars, people that they sign or are exclusive to them or whatever, and it's like... I'm watching from the outside and I'm seeing that roster get a lot smaller and that's like the biggest porn brand in the world. 01:08:47 Speaker 3: And they, from what. 01:08:48 Speaker 4: I hear, the numbers are not good year after year because people are going towards OnlyFans. They're obviously going towards pirated content and stuff too. But it's kind of like a cold winter for the porn brands that were like raking in money for all those years. And now they're kind of getting the reality check of like, hey, this shit might not really work forever. 01:09:07 Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't know. 01:09:10 Speaker 2: No back end. They don't get any money on views. 01:09:12 Speaker 4: Nothing. 01:09:12 Speaker 2: It's just a fee to get fucked. 01:09:14 Speaker 3: Yeah. 01:09:14 Speaker 2: And it's not a high one. 01:09:15 Speaker 4: It's not that crazy. It's like a couple grand for a regular scene. Maybe you get another grand for anal. I know a girl who did her first anal scene recently. It was like a pretty popular girl. She got 20K. And that's like... I don't think anybody got more than 20K for anything. Like, you got to do your first and it's got to be some crazy shit. 01:09:31 Speaker 3: So, yeah. 01:09:31 Speaker 4: But the truth is, is that Abella Danger would rather be in Willow's position where she would rather... be working for herself. And that's the whole, that's part of the reason why they can like not give them that much money for the, the major scenes is because they know that these scenes are just advertising for your only fans. That if you do a browser scene, browsers is posting you on their Instagram and their Twitter and they're tagging you and they're putting you on the website and they're giving you these beautiful photos of yourself that you might not get otherwise. 01:10:00 Speaker 3: And they're doing what they can to like, I. 01:10:02 Speaker 2: Mean, but at this point you can find a good photographer for 500 bucks and get the same photos. 01:10:06 Speaker 3: Right. 01:10:06 Speaker 2: They need to bring Lior Cohen in there. 360 deal. I get a piece of your OnlyFans. That's what they need to start thinking. 01:10:12 Speaker 3: It is crazy though. 01:10:13 Speaker 4: When I compare in my head, the feeling of like signing a rapper or signing an OnlyFans girl. 01:10:18 Speaker 3: Same thing. 01:10:18 Speaker 4: But if I sign a rapper, it's like, you know, I'm going to be Lord Jamar where I'm going to be going years and years of like trying to build this artist up. And then finally at the moment that they crack off, nah, I. 01:10:29 Speaker 3: Don't fuck with you, Adam. You're gone. You know? 01:10:31 Speaker 4: Whereas you sign an OnlyFans girl and it's like the goal would be like, oh, you make 5K a month. And I think that with my powers, I can get you to 50K a month. Like, boom, you're in business already. 01:10:40 Speaker 3: Yeah. 01:10:41 Speaker 4: The idea of like making 50K a month off a rapper is like extremely challenging. 01:10:46 Speaker 2: Absolutely. 01:10:47 Speaker 7: Yeah. 01:10:47 Speaker 2: They have to be a streamer to do that. Do you think that we need a union in podcasting? Hmm. 01:10:55 Speaker 3: That's interesting. I don't know how the hell that would work, but. 01:10:57 Speaker 2: Well, Adam's a good. The way Adam runs his shop, I think he'd be anti-union. 01:11:05 Speaker 3: But everybody's deals and situations are so different. 01:11:09 Speaker 4: You guys are with a sort of larger entity that is helping to make shit happen. Somebody like Joe is almost purely supported by his fans. No Jumper or Vlad makes a very large percentage of our money from YouTube. You got all these dudes who are signing to the volume now and are kind of That's like a, I guess that's kind of similar to like you guys situation. 01:11:33 Speaker 2: We're on volume. 01:11:34 Speaker 3: Oh, you are on the volume. I wasn't sure. All right. 01:11:36 Speaker 2: Yeah. 01:11:36 Speaker 4: I mean, that just stands out to me

a lot. It's like, wow, there's a lot of different situations and like a lot of those situations don't have anything to do with each other. 01:11:42 Speaker 3: So how would we like collectively bargain? 01:11:46 Speaker 2: I mean, it's just different pillars to monetize at the end of the day, depending on how your audience works. 01:11:52 Speaker 3: Yeah. 01:11:52 Speaker 2: Some may work better direct consumer. Some may work better with someone licensing your content and throwing ads up. it really depends on how you operate your shit. 01:12:02 Speaker 4: Yeah but i mean like okay for instance like me and vlad and sean cotton and shit we have like very transparent conversations about what guests get paid yeah which is good because like otherwise people could kind of try to pit you against each other or whatever and i. 01:12:15 Speaker 5: Feel like i have that conversation yeah i'm paying this guy this he asked for this much how much did you give him how much do you think. 01:12:22 Speaker 4: Okay yeah just you know try to Just so it doesn't feel like anybody's getting fucked too bad. 01:12:28 Speaker 3: That's a union? 01:12:30 Speaker 5: No? 01:12:30 Speaker 2: To a degree? 01:12:31 Speaker 3: Kind of, yeah. It's really like price fixing, if you want to call it that. 01:12:34 Speaker 2: Well, yeah. I mean, but how you and Vlad run your YouTube channels with the amount of content that's pumped out per day, I totally understand paying guests. Whereas, I mean, we're on Netflix now, but when we were on YouTube, how we operated off one show, two or three clips... Us paying a guest doesn't, the ROI on that doesn't make very much sense to pay. 01:12:54 Speaker 3: Unless you know that it's going to be the one. 01:12:56 Speaker 2: If you're doing that constantly every day with three different guests, three different videos, that makes all the sense in the world. 01:13:02 Speaker 3: Yeah. 01:13:02 Speaker 4: Because if you think about Vlad's model, or I guess my model too, with interviews that are paid is like kind of interesting because it's like, something like Joe and Jada go and get a deal with the company. 01:13:12 Speaker 3: The company gives them money. They've produced the content. They get paid. Everybody's happy. 01:13:15 Speaker 4: But like with us, it's more like, like Vlad has a podcast with Charleston white. They just film whatever they have enough shit to talk about. And then Vlad gives him X amount of dollars. And then Vlad monetizes on the backend and tries to make as much money as he can off of it. And that is like the, those two arrangements are so different, but you kind of end up with like a similar. 01:13:37 Speaker 7: Yeah. 01:13:37 Speaker 2: Vlad has a great business model yeah for how he's positioned his platform he's. 01:13:41 Speaker 4: The most meticulous businessman i've like ever known in terms of he told me he spent over a million dollars designing his own back-end software so that he can tell you at a glance how much money

he made from any given interview so if you do an interview with him and he doesn't earn a profit it's not like he has to like dig through and like put the numbers together he just knows right away. 01:14:01 Speaker 2: Yeah i mean even what youtube gives you on the back with adsense you can kind of see that obviously his is times a thousand because he has so much content so i can understand that but even youtube gives you enough analytics to see what's making money and what's not. 01:14:13 Speaker 4: Yeah yeah like i i like eyeball it when i interview someone that's like i could probably pay him this amount whereas like vlad. 01:14:20 Speaker 3: Knows exactly what he could pay them which is pretty impressive to me. 01:14:23 Speaker 2: Um i guess to wrap up in asking the different eras of no jumper and how you said that kind of organically happened and was less of um an intentional move to go from music discovery to gang, whatever. What is the future of no jumper? Look, is that something that's even in the back of your mind, even with now having to adjust with your personal life, with your wife and your daughter, what does the future of no jumper look like? 01:14:53 Speaker 4: Uh, I mean, I feel like we're constantly just like building up this camaraderie. 01:14:59 Speaker 3: Between the hosts. 01:14:59 Speaker 4: And it's like, I feel like it gets better and better, uh, the more the friendship becomes realer, you know, like that relationship that you just build over time. Like the fact that I even care about you guys is a product of the fact that I watched. 01:15:16 Speaker 3: You for years and years and years when I wasn't really trying. 01:15:19 Speaker 4: To, I was like kind of primarily interested in someone else and then, it's cemented into my head enough that like okay i give a fuck about what rory and maul got going on and that's a beautiful thing you know and it's like we had no jumpers like that too where it's like if someone's on the podcast for like a month it's almost like guaranteed they're gonna get a lot of blowback and have a lot of people that don't fuck with them but if they're on the podcast for three years yeah at a certain point even if they're like not that great the audience starts to develop this appreciation for them. 01:15:44 Speaker 3: So i do feel like Yeah. Just making everybody closer. Really? 01:15:49 Speaker 4: Like the biggest thing I always want to focus on too, is just like having more off camera conversations about what a good podcast is and how we communicate with each other and what, you know, bringing topics to the table and how we lay out each podcast. Cause sometimes it does feel so raw and rough that we just get on there and just talk about whatever's on the list. 01:16:08 Speaker 3: So like, I don't know, I. 01:16:09 Speaker 4: Just, I love the art of podcasting and just really want to like, keep going with it, keep getting better with it, keep fostering new personalities. 01:16:17 Speaker 3: Like I'm really not sick of that. 01:16:19 Speaker 4: And even if there was some big thing that I wanted to do with my life, that was going to take 40 hours a week, I still. 01:16:24 Speaker 3: Think I would have You know, eight hours a week to do No Jumper. 01:16:28 Speaker 5: You got to come back to that No Jumper. There's no doubt about it. 01:16:31 Speaker 3: I got to chat. 01:16:32 Speaker 5: Is there anything or do you feel as much as a of a divide in content creators and podcasting? like from your end, like, cause me and Roy feel like, like this shit is so divisive. Like there's so many people that don't like each other, have issues with each other for whatever reason. Do you feel that a lot of that away from the people that you maybe had on your platform that you no longer work with, but just like, do you feel any of that divisive energy just from having your own show, your own platform that, from other content creators as, like, cause me and Roy, we definitely feel like there's a huge device of energy in podcasting. 01:17:10 Speaker 2: Well, in our culture of podcasting. 01:17:12 Speaker 3: Yeah. 01:17:12 Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I think like in hip hop, you kind of have like two sides. You have like Drake and Jay-Z and then media figures under them. You have like on the Drake side, you have Ag or me, or you're kind of like in the weird in between space, but I do. 01:17:26 Speaker 3: Feel like you're more of a OVO loyalist at this point. But then, you know, you have- That's just his man. That's not, he's not a- right. 01:17:33 Speaker 4: Yeah i mean at the end of the day it's not like you know i'm not gonna fucking kill somebody for either of these people it's just like who you kind of align with ideologically put yourself with or whatever but then on the jay side of things you got when did that happen drake and jay like when did that happen i mean i think the kendrick thing really like cemented. 01:17:49 Speaker 2: It but how did it turn into drake jay well because you don't have. 01:17:53 Speaker 4: To go back that far from the period where like Drake was like eagerly getting a J verse on his album. 01:17:59 Speaker 3: And I forget what the last album where they did that was. 01:18:01 Speaker 4: But then I think Scorpion was the last time they, but I think, yeah, Scorpion, but wasn't that after the title, the title debacle. And wasn't that like, yeah, that was like maybe Drake stay in like, Hey, I've, I did. i kind of went my own way with the title thing but like i still want. 01:18:14 Speaker 2: To oh no i'm sorry uh certified level i forgot he was on. 01:18:18 Speaker 3: Level uh he was on there too yeah yeah yeah. 01:18:20 Speaker 2: Underrated oh no i think uh i think 30 for 30 freestyle on the future and drake album was when he was shooting at jay i don't think any of that verse had anything to do with mcmillan at all i think he was shooting at hove the entire time but they've worked two three times since then yeah Yeah. 01:18:34 Speaker

3: I don't know, but it feels like that's the energy. 01:18:37 Speaker 2: So that's the divide. Drake definitely took shots, not shots. He said certain low jabs the way Jay used to, subliminals on Iceman, and the Drake community on the internet ran with it. And now all of Drake fans for some weird reason hate Jay-Z. 01:18:55 Speaker 4: But I do feel like the, like, cause way before Iceman, Jay put Drake on. 01:18:59 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, but I'm saying the podcasters now that are Drake loyalists are now pumping this fuck Jay-Z narrative on their, on their platforms. 01:19:08 Speaker 4: Yeah. Which is kind of weird for like, you know, as much as people accuse me of being a Drake glazer or whatever, just because he's the only person that I have a relationship with and all this is like, Jay-Z is my favorite rapper of all time. I, I've sat on the podcast. I was arguing ferociously with Munchie B like six months ago about him trying to say that Jay-Z. 01:19:25 Speaker 3: Just stole all Biggie's lyrics or whatever. I was horrified. I don't like, you know, like, are. 01:19:29 Speaker 2: You still entertained those type of conversations? 01:19:31 Speaker 4: Cause I don't, I know it pissed me off because sometimes I feel like, God damn the shit that we should be passed at this point. 01:19:36 Speaker 3: That's my boy though. So you got, you got to have the conversation. 01:19:38 Speaker 2: He's not, this was addressed on the blackboard. 01:19:40 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. And I'm quoting that over and over. But like, you know, I love Jay-Z's music. 01:19:46 Speaker 4: And really, once we got past like the politics of like, damn, this motherfucker put him on the Super Bowl. I was like, bro, as a rap fan, Jay-Z doing the Super Bowl is like the illest shit ever. Like, I cannot wait to see what he brings to the table and how he does this. 01:19:58 Speaker 2: And I mean, I loved it. hip-hop debates. I love back and forth. I love people picking sides for good sport. But at this point, why are we mad that Jay-Z is doing the Super Bowl? 01:20:08 Speaker 3: Yeah. 01:20:08 Speaker 2: How could you find a way to hate on that? No matter what Jay does. 01:20:11 Speaker 5: Now, there's going to be a certain sector of fans and people online that are going to hate it. 01:20:15 Speaker 4: Because I was just watching Dame talking about Jay and saying, oh, well... Every time you do something, every time you pop out, every time you do a piece of content, whatever, there's a big negative reaction to it. So why would you put yourself on the Super Bowl knowing that you get a negative reaction to everything you do? 01:20:30 Speaker 3: I'm like, Dame, that's everything now. 01:20:33 Speaker 4: Like anything that any of us do is going to have a pretty loud negative reaction, especially if you're as polarizing as Jay-Z. So like that's not a reason to not do something. It's something to consider for sure. 01:20:46 Speaker 2: So Maul said that a while ago on this podcast when we were talking about this was before this whole Reasonable Doubt 30 Jay-Z hate train started in 2026. I was like, I really want new Jay music. And Maul was like, I don't because I just feel like this era is going to not appreciate it and why put something out where it's just going to find a way to hate it. And I was like, you're bugging. Then 2026 hit and I'm like, yo, this is Maul Stradamus over here. I've never thought I'd see the day where the entire internet shifted on Jay the way they have. And mind you, It's just a small part of the internet. It's not a huge... I went to the... the actual shows. I've seen people, which I love Jay-Z. 01:21:26 Speaker 3: They're going to say he did it again. 01:21:27 Speaker 2: They're going to say he did it. 01:21:28 Speaker 3: Again, Peach. 01:21:29 Speaker 2: I purposely said it in my head. I was like, do the bingo card. 01:21:32 Speaker 3: But I heard that it was amazing out here, but I heard in LA it was maybe not quite the same energy. It was just to be expected, but that is interesting. 01:21:39 Speaker 2: Shows in LA, we talk about that. 01:21:41 Speaker 5: LA crowd, LA audiences versus New York audiences or audiences in Texas. 01:21:46 Speaker 3: The energy is always very different. 01:21:49 Speaker 4: But Jay in Brooklyn is like, bro, this is the greatest product of you. your culture this is like the dude you went to high school who ended up becoming a billionaire taking over the fucking world the whole city is proud of him right that's a little different in la where it's kind of like this guy's dope but we don't have that. 01:22:04 Speaker 1: Yeah we don't have that attachment to it i mean i still feel like if snoop or dre or somebody did the garden like i feel like new york would love that oh for sure yeah. 01:22:17 Speaker 2: Of course there's not the direct connection the way that somebody that grew up in LA would feel about Snoop and Dre that we wouldn't, but there's mad West Coast artists that I feel like we would love to see in a stadium or an arena. 01:22:29 Speaker 4: But okay, like Maul saying that he doesn't want to see the Jay album because he thinks that it'll be received poorly or whatever, that's like that modern hip-hop opinion, which is kind of like the sales matter, the reaction matters, the reception matters, and that, like, as much. 01:22:44 Speaker 3: As that is just reality... Also, that. 01:22:47 Speaker 4: Stops us from hearing music from a lot of people who we'd like to hear music from because they don't want to drop shit and then have the new standard. 01:22:52 Speaker 3: Oh, as a fan, I want the new album. Yeah, like I want to hear a Jay-Z album regardless of if it is a good look for Jay-Z. 01:22:59 Speaker 5: I just want to hear what you make an album like. But also as a content creator, right? And obviously the affiliation there, I know that I then have a job to come and sit in a dress and talk about the negative kickback that he gets from that. And it's like, I just want

to enjoy new music from one of my favorite rappers of all time. Like, I don't care what the numbers do. I don't care, you know, if it's, you know, how people perceive it. Like as a fan of somebody who I grew up listening to, I want to hear what he has to say at this point in his life and how he puts it together. I just know how the game goes. Like the kickback of the negative shit is, it's just like, you know, you give, you don't stop creating. You never do that because you're playing right into the bullshit. But it's like, why does that have to be such a part of it now? 01:23:45 Speaker 2: And then a part of the conversation is the negative energy. 01:23:48 Speaker 5: That's, that's the only reason why I was kind of like, I don't want him to put an album out because it's just, people are just no matter the album drop at midnight at 1204, somebody is going to tweet out. 01:23:58 Speaker 2: This is trash. 01:24:00 Speaker 4: There's a lot to gain by being the first person to the internet with the hot take. Like if you listen to the whole album, you're just slowing yourself down. Like, like I realized that too. Cause I did a, uh, it was just, I did a act podcast and we premiered it and flock goes texting me like, bro, why the fuck do you premiere it? And I'm like, not understanding why he's mad that it premiered it. And then I realized, Oh, He wants to go to the transcript and search Drake and search all these other terms and find the clickbait without actually. 01:24:29 Speaker 3: Having to sit there for hours and watch it. 01:24:31 Speaker 2: Gotcha. 01:24:31 Speaker 3: And that's my boy. 01:24:32 Speaker 6: But also, I was like, bro, you are diabolical. That's so fucking shitty, bro. You can't listen to one on 3X speed or something. You got to wait for the transcript, dude. 01:24:43 Speaker 2: It also makes me feel like I'm just, I don't know if I'm cut out for the future of, of hip hop critiques. I used to think I was a hip hop critic. I am not even remotely close to y'all. Not you, but I'm like, I'm saying in general, I can't keep up with, like, I can't hate. 01:24:59 Speaker 3: Something that much. 01:24:59 Speaker 2: I just want to enjoy it. 01:25:01 Speaker 3: Yeah. 01:25:01 Speaker 2: I don't want to have to critique anything. I don't want to have to. I've never waited for an album and hoped it sucked in my life. 01:25:07 Speaker 3: Yeah, no. 01:25:08 Speaker 2: That's such a weird concept to think of. Like, I hope this album isn't good. I hope the Jay-Z Super Bowl halftime is ass. 01:25:16 Speaker 4: I almost never will hate watch something. But that's very common. If you want to make content, you kind of have to go in the direction of things that you know you're. 01:25:25 Speaker 3: Not going to like. I'm not going to lie. I'm that person too, but... Well, define hate watch. 01:25:29 Speaker 2: Cause I, I have car accidents, like watch some shit. 01:25:32 Speaker 3: Yeah. Occasionally. But I'm just thinking of like, I remember seeing a photo one. 01:25:36 Speaker 4: Time and realizing that when the Barbie movie came out, that, that, uh, Ben Shapiro went and saw it on opening night. 01:25:43 Speaker 2: Which is funny. 01:25:43 Speaker 4: And it's like, he knows he's going to hate it, but it gives him something good to talk about on night on his show or whatever. But like, I'm not going to see the fucking Barbie movie just because I know I'm going to want to talk shit about it. 01:25:55 Speaker 3: That's crazy to me. 01:25:56 Speaker 4: But I'll listen to an album that I kind of know I'm not going to like just because it's something we're going to talk about, sure. 01:26:01 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I've never hate watched, but... I've listened to music that I knew I wouldn't like because it's not for me, but I didn't go with the intentions of, I hope it sucks. 01:26:10 Speaker 3: Yeah. 01:26:10 Speaker 5: No, I ain't going to lie. I watched that Super Bowl with the Arthur Fist, that Kendrick Super Bowl. 01:26:15 Speaker 3: Oh, I mean, I put it on my Instagram. We were on FaceTime. I definitely watched that with a little Arthur Fist. But at the end of the day, I can't. As much as I fuck with Drake, I'm not.... 01:26:27 Speaker 4: Wishing for bad things to come from kendrick either like i i love gnx like kendrick has multiple. 01:26:33 Speaker 5: As much as people like to paint that narrative like i hate i don't know kendrick to. 01:26:36 Speaker 4: Hate yeah and the truth is is that prior to them having beef drake was a gigantic kendrick fan yeah no it's hard for him to listen to him. 01:26:43 Speaker 5: Now yeah oh no absolutely now but you understand like just as a as a as another as a peer and as an artist you have to respect that art that craftsmanship like he's really good at what he does you know what i mean but now it's obviously it's just like I don't want to hear none of that shit. 01:26:57 Speaker 2: How many times do you guys think Drake listened to G-Nex? I don't know exactly how many times he listened to it. I would never say, but yeah. 01:27:06 Speaker 3: Wait, you think it's zero? No, no, no. 01:27:08 Speaker 2: See, I don't like you podcasters like this because I just saw you talk to Wack and be like, I heard some crazy shit about Kendrick, but can't say it. 01:27:15 Speaker 3: You too. 01:27:16 Speaker 2: I can't do this. 01:27:17 Speaker 3: But okay. 01:27:17 Speaker 2: Just say it. 01:27:19 Speaker 3: No, okay. 01:27:19 Speaker 4: I didn't have to say it because Ak filled in the dots like immediately after because he knew exactly what I was not saying because he was standing right next to me when this person told us. But it wasn't anything that crazy about Kendrick just maybe not living up to some of his ideals that he puts out there publicly. 01:27:35 Speaker 3: Ak said it. 01:27:36 Speaker 4: I don't really want to even repeat it because I don't really like talk about that kind of stuff. But like, I don't know. I think if I'm Drake, GNX comes out. I sit down with

my best friends in the world in the studio. We listen to it one time, and then I go to Genius.com, and I read through the lyrics. 01:27:54 Speaker 2: Without the music? 01:27:55 Speaker 4: You could listen to it, but really, I just want to go through the lyrics and really try to pick out every little bar, and then I'm probably good. And then maybe I need to revisit it a little bit because I'm going to respond to it or whatever, but. 01:28:06 Speaker 3: If I'm Drake, I'll probably give it that much attention, I think. 01:28:10 Speaker 2: You know what I don't? 01:28:10 Speaker 5: I wish people knew. I wish people knew exactly how much Drake doesn't give a fuck. 01:28:16 Speaker 4: But then also he cares about things that you sometimes wouldn't expect him to care about. 01:28:21 Speaker 3: I don't know if he cares about it or if he noticed it. 01:28:23 Speaker 2: Yeah. 01:28:24 Speaker 3: Just because I noticed something doesn't mean I care about it. 01:28:27 Speaker 2: Yeah. I just noticed it. I heard that. I saw that. 01:28:29 Speaker 3: But don't you, you have kind of the thing. 01:28:30 Speaker 4: Well, I have the thing where like, I kind of don't want to watch content about myself or like hear people talk about me that much. Like sometimes, but like a lot of it just feels like I don't need to fucking i. 01:28:40 Speaker 2: Don't need to hear that i don't feel like. 01:28:42 Speaker 4: For him certain people talking about him in his career is probably like really really notable or certain narratives when they rise to that level is really really important for him to pay attention to but probably like a lot of it is i'm just gonna keep scrolling past that i don't give a fuck about that yeah you know it's It's hard for anyone, I think, to imagine what it's like to be that famous. 01:28:58 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a whole different level. 01:28:59 Speaker 5: In closing though, Adam, what is the one thing you would love to see happen in our culture of podcasting? 01:29:08 Speaker 4: At least on an LA level, I'm very encouraged by the fact that some content creators, rappers, street dudes, etc. have been able to be around each other in recent times and not have it turn into violent situations. I'm talking about people where... it could have been really fucking bad. And these people seeing each other at parties and because they were getting to the bag and because they all do content now, it's like people like actually just choosing to walk away and not get into situations with each other. And that to me is like, so encouraging. Cause I really do think that like podcasting and the communication that comes from it as a result could be like the thing that shows a lot of like young people or people from the streets that like, they don't have to, you know, throw their life away to be tough. 01:29:56 Speaker 3: So that's a big part of it. 01:29:57 Speaker 4: And really I was just love for hip hop to just kind of get its mojo back. You know, it's kind of, uh, I don't know. Like when I think about all these different eras, 2015, so many fucking rappers coming out that I was so excited about 2005 early blog era, so many different rappers. I was excitedly, I might've been downloading 10 or 15 songs a day, uh, 1995 I'm still like a kid but like you know there's so many fucking rappers I was like losing my mind about like I guess I'm just like genuinely excited for like an era or a movement to come along that kind of reinvigorates some of that which you know part of is getting older and Playboi Carti seems less exciting to me than Beanie Siegel did at that time. 01:30:39 Speaker 2: I was going to say, I think that's where I'm at. I think it's just because I got older. I'm sure the kids are satisfied with what's out there. It's just not for me. But I feel like there's a new era to come. Hip-hop so took over in 2016 through COVID. 01:30:57 Speaker 4: That I feel like there had to be a reaction of people being like, nah, fuck that shit, whatever. But ultimately at the end of the day, I feel like the pendulum will swing back and hip hop will be very exciting again, even if it might be in a kind of slow spot right now. 01:31:10 Speaker 3: Yeah. We'll see. 01:31:11 Speaker 5: Well, listen, man, Adam, we appreciate you for pulling up. Anytime you are in New York, man, you want to come by. 01:31:16 Speaker 3: Let's do it, man. 01:31:17 Speaker 5: Yeah. 01:31:17 Speaker 3: No, I fucked you guys for real. Appreciate you always. You know that. A great American. 01:31:24 Speaker 2: A great American. 01:31:25 Speaker 4: That's my dad always says about people. So I've kind of adopted that. And people always think it's like kind of a crazy thing for me to say. 01:31:30 Speaker 2: A great American. 01:31:31 Speaker 3: He's a great American. That was the craziest. Yo, listen, I'm a great American. He's a great American. 01:31:37 Speaker 2: That's Adam 22. 01:31:37 Speaker 3: Peace. Appreciate y'all.