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All right, welcome to the Cigar Avisionado Lounge here in New York City.
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This is the Cigar Aficionado Podcast.
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I'm David Savona, the executive editor of Cigar Aficionado magazine.
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Thanks for joining us today.
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I am here with managing editor Greg Matola.
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Greg, how are you doing today?
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I'm doing all right.
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And today's a special episode.
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We are turning the questions over to you.
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We've got reader questions.
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We asked, you came out, reader, listener, viewer questions.
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I'm still thinking like a magazine publisher, not a lot of people.
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Well, this is kind of like the remember when Reddit used to do the AMAs, the ask Ask Me Anything.
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And we we did that once.
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I don't I don't know if if if people still do that, how popular that still is, but this is kind of like an AMA.
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We said ask ask us anything, and you've asked a whole bunch of questions.
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So we've got some of them here, and uh we're gonna go through them and see what's on your mind and see if we can answer some of your burning questions.
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So uh let's get started.
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We got a question, Greg from Braden Estrella, that I think is perfect for you.
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His question is what is a kulebra cigar and how in the world do you smoke them?
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And lo and behold, what do you have there?
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Well, Braden, if you're watching, you inspired me to light up this kulebra.
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I said, you know, rather than just talk about it, I'll show you.
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So the culebra are these it's a trio of twisty, curved, braided cigars.
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And the way the story goes is I'm sure you've heard the story, is that in the old Cuban factories, that was the allotment for rollers to take home.
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And so they were kind of twisted together.
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So the factory manager knew that was the allotment that they weren't stealing.
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So if they walked home with that or they walked out with that, or that was a cigar they lit up, oh okay, that's the twisty, that's that's the twisty, curvy one, that's the bent one.
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That's okay, because there's no way we're gonna sell that.
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For those of you who can see what Greg is smoking, his cigar looks like uh, you know, a San Francisco road.
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It's got a
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lot of a lot of curves to it.
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It's it's it's twisted, it's thin, and it looks a little bit like the the animal for which it's named.
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Calabra is Spanish for snake.
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Right.
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And this is this is seven by thirty-eight, and I'm smoking the one from El Pulpo, the Octo Ocho.
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So after that, it it kind of became a novelty.
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So there was there's like the factory lore story.
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There's no factory I know of where that rule is in place.
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Right.
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I've never seen that either.
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Yeah, it it sounds like a good system because you could say, hey, they stand out.
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If you see a guy smoking a straight cigar, like, wait, he's stealing from me, he's not smoking what the factories we go to, people smoke normal straight size cigarettes.
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I mean, we've been to a lot of factories in a lot of countries, and and even the factories in Havana.
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I mean, nobody's people just smoking regular cigars.
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Nobody, nobody's smoking a Ben cigar.
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Nobody.
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It's possibly uh uh a story that happened in one factory at a time in history, or or maybe it was something that happened before and doesn't happen anymore.
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Either way, it's a good story.
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But nowadays, collabers are cool-looking cigars.
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Uh, they're meant for sharing, they come in braids of three.
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So, you know, you and a couple of friends, you you you split the braid up, don't smoke them all together.
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One of the questions was how how do you smoke how do you smoke?
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Because I think some people, when they see it, I've seen some people think, oh, do you smoke all three at once?
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Do you clip these three heads and light up and smoke it like that?
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No, these are three individually uh these are three individual cigars.
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You share them or you smoke them in a different time.
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You do not smoke all three at once.
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And I think another question that uh could be a follow-up to that is how do they draw?
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Because when you see a cigar twisted like that, your first inclination is it's probably not going to draw very well.
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But Ryder's drawing perfectly, yeah.
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And these, and we rate these because we have a section called miscellaneous.
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And it's about once or twice a year that that shows up in the issue, and you have these these odd cigars that that kind of defy any traditional category that we have.
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So that's where we we rate the kulebras.
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And this one, the El Popo, rates very well, but they're not the only one making them.
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They still make them in Havana.
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There's there is a Partigus uh Kulebra, which is really the most famous, right?
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It's the uh it's the iconic Culebra.
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Yeah, I think it's the only one that's still that's still left in production.
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I don't think they make a ton of them, but uh, but they're still out there.
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You know, I'll tell you one thing about the draw with Culebras.
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I have never had a Culebra with a bad draw.
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They've always been fine.
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You never had an issue.
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And I remember you smoked one for Connoisseurs Corner.
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We still have them in the humidor.
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Those old Hoyos?
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The Hoyo de Montereys from the 50s that were they were culebras and they had these uh these kind of pointy tips.
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They weren't as long as this.
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Right, there were like smaller versions of that, yeah.
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But uh really interesting.
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Um uh again, just a novelty that has endured over time.
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And then some companies will make them in a limited edition capacity.
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I know the Tatwa He uh has one.
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I think it's the the old man in the C.
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C with the letters C not S E A.
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Yeah, very clever.
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And and that's uh a cooler.
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I know Oliva had one for a while.
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Davidoff's still next to it.
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Davidoff, yes.
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So you see them around.
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Uh they're cool, they're novelties, and just um don't smoke, don't smoke them all at once.
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Yeah, they don't be afraid of the snakes, they're fun smokes.
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Uh, Braden also had a follow-up question, another question.
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Good questions, Braden.
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What are the differences between a closed foot and an open foot on a cigar?
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I mean, most of the cigars that you see in a humidor have an open foot, which is uh, you know, the the cigar is cut at the finishing process.
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Talk about that process, Greg.
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When they apply the wrapper, there's always going to be a portion of wrapper leaf that goes over the foot.
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So to clean it up, it's cut, it's a nice clean appearance.
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The cigars we're smoking are closed, uh open foot cigars, traditional.
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And they're ready to light.
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But then when you have a closed foot, that bit of wrapper that extends rather than snipping it off, uh, for aesthetic reasons, uh, the cigar maker may decide, no, let's just take it and tuck it in and kind of wrap it and close it.
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So it gives it this rustic appearance.
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But as a smoker, what you can do is it gives you the opportunity to taste the wrapper by itself.
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And then once it starts combusting with the binder and filler, um, you know, you get you get the more cohesive smoking experience that the that the blender intended.
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And it's just an interesting exercise.
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And it's a study in in one, smoking one type of tobacco versus many, and two, asking yourself, if you're a pensive cigar smoker, how much influence does a rapper have?
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Because you taste it and you say, ah, that's what the rapper tastes like.
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Oh, okay.
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Is it, you know, is it dominating the rest of the blend or is it just harmonizing with everything?
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I don't mind that type of a cigar on occasion.
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You I do like that first taste of wrapper as an experiment.
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What I don't like is the maybe the other type of closed foot.
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I don't like a figurado.
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You see this on occasion.
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We see it in some of our taste tests where the bottom of the cigar, the foot of the cigar, is completely closed and you have to slice it to open it up.
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I don't like that at all.
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That's beyond closed.
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That's like that's like double capped.
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You know, that's a sealed cigar.
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And and and you have to slice it off.
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And uh, I'm with you.
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I find that I I don't understand why.
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I I find it a you know, who wants to do more work?
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Yeah, I find it sloppy myself, to be perfectly honest.
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Moving on to uh another reader question, another listener viewer question.
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Um, Martin Wasaki.
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Let's see.
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When aging a cigar, Martin says, is it best to leave it in the cellophane or remove the cellophane wrapper?
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Now we have different thoughts on this.
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Maybe I'll start with this.
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If if I have a desktop humidor, I'm gonna take a box of cigars and put it into the desktop.
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I typically take the cellophane off many of them and leave like you know, five, six or so with the cellophane, because cellophane is protective.
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And I always like if I'm traveling with cigars, I like to grab the ones in cello first, adds an extra layer of protection, even if I'm putting it in a cigar case or just in my uh my jacket pocket or my shirt pocket.
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Cello adds a little bit of extra protection.
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But I I typically take it off for the the long-term aging.
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You feel you feel differently about this.
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I think for long-term aging, the cellophane will help the cigar retain its power.
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I think the dissipation of nicotine over time is really, really slowed down with the cellophane.
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And we kind of I wouldn't say proved it, but there was there was some demonstrable evidence supporting what I just said.
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If you remember, Dave, when you and I smoked those cohiba lanceros from the late 80s that were still in the dress box and still with cellophane.
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How can I forget?
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And they were extraordinarily powerful.
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They were brilliant, brilliant cigars that were just they were so alive.
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They were they were magical.
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And we had had cigars only a few years older, uh younger, excuse me, um, that that were packed in the varnish boxes uncellophaned, and they weren't anywhere near as powerful.
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The cello can retain the power, yeah, absolutely.
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And I think it's also important to note that you you you don't have to take the cellophane off to allow the cigars to breathe.
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That's uh the air gets through that cellophane, but it does slow it down.
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And also, uh, you know, if your humidor runs dry, you know, uh sometimes you forget to put the water in and the the humidor might run dry.
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That cellophane acts like a like a guardian.
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It buys you a little bit of time.
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The cigars won't dry out nearly as fast when they have cellophane on them as the it it allows for those those uh variations because no humidor runs perfectly 100% of the time, whether it's desktop, whether it's it's something with active humidification, whether it's large cabinets, it doesn't matter.
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Nothing's always running perfectly.
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So if it's if it's outside of Cello, um you you may see the effects of that.
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Where in Cello, it's a little more forgiving.
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Martin had another question.
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That's another good question.
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He likes 72% humidity.
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Is that too high for aging?
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I think it is.
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Oh, in my opinion, way too high.
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I mean, I think I I don't even like 72 humidity just for regular smoking.
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I I just don't think it'll draw well.
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I think that I I don't think the tobacco will will will you won't have as as much of a concentration of flavor.
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And I think at 72, it it may not even it may not even burn or draw optimally.
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For long-term aging, I think 65.
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I think that's uh you know, for a long time we always said 7070 as the as the benchmark, and 7070 is a good benchmark to keep your cigars in good condition.
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But yeah, for long-term aging, uh, you know, the Brits go 65.
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That's uh and then the Brits know aging cigars pretty well.
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I think I think they I think they have it right.
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Yeah, I mean 7070's fine for regular smoking, but this question said aging.
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And I think for aging, um, yeah, you you have to go, I think you gotta go 65.
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Yeah, a little drier, I agree, better for long-term aging.
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Um once again from Martin, do your cigar ratings take into account the cost of a cigar?
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And the answer there is absolutely not.
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When we rate cigars, we rate them blind.
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Uh, that's why you'll see in our pages that a uh a cigar that retails for six, seven bucks sometimes, not always, but sometimes can outscore a 20 or even a$30 cigar.
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Yeah, we don't we don't look at costs.
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When we're rating a cigar, we rate them blind.
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We don't know the cost.
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Well, we don't know anything.
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Yeah, man.
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We know the shape.
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We know we're happy idiots smoking our cigars.
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So, yeah, and it's it it's not like we score a cigar, we score it blind, and then we see the price, and then we say, Oh no, we got to change that score.
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Nope.
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The score is the score is the score, whether it's an$8 cigar or a$48 cigar.
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Now we love a good bargain.
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That's why in every issue of the magazine, every issue of Cigar Bishano, in our buying guide, we flag uh four or five of the top values of the issue.
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Plus, in the front of the book, we name one cigar as our best buy of the issue.
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Uh yeah, okay, bang for the buck is is key here, but that's an analysis of a an established rating.
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Plus, every year for our top 25, we do a bigger feature on the best buys of the year.
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Speaking of top 25, th there may be a little confusion with our readers regarding that, because we have placed cigars on our list sometimes according to price.
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That's not the score.
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For example, if you remember the Cohiba 55 anniversario, which is like 300 bucks for one cigar, for one cigar, and that actually that did not affect the score because when we smoked that cigar, we did not know what it was, but it did affect where we placed it on the list, so right.
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We placed it lower because it was uh X point.
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I don't know the exact rating off the top of my head for$300, which was basically the box price of some of its neighboring cigars at the same rating.
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No, usually the price doesn't even affect um how something lands on our top 25 list.
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But say we have three cigars that that tied, uh, we have three cigars that got like, I don't know, 95, 95.5, 95.5, 95.5, and one of them costs$300, and the other two are 18.
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That that may affect where it actually ends up falling on the list.
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As it should.
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You know, one more question from Martin, then we have to move on to another reading.
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He is an inquisitive guy.
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He is with good questions.
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Thank you, Martin.
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Are there tours of the Connecticut Tobacco Farms for the public to go on?
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You want to answer that one quickly?
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There are.
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The one I know of is it's put on by Drew Estate.
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It's called the Barn Smoker.
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And uh the information is on their website, and they have it's basically a big field trip.
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You go up there to the Connecticut River Valley and they give tours, and it's like a big outdoor event.
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There's lunch, and there are hotels.
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The hotel is about maybe 45 minutes or so outside of the valley where where they're actually growing.
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But it's a consumer tour.
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You don't have to be in the industry, you don't have to be particularly well connected.
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You just have to know where to go, where to inquire.
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Um, and you can make it up there.
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It's usually usually around August during uh when there's still Yeah, the end of the harvest for broadleaf, yeah.
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But there's still some leaf in the ground that that that people can see, so that's where it is.
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So if you're interested, you uh you've missed the Barn Smoker this year, but uh there's always next August.
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All right, Jonah Perry wants to know how do you train your palate to identify subtle blend nuances in cigars?
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Palette training.
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Well, I mean, uh I I could start with this one.
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I mean, you uh we get lots of questions, and we certainly have over the years about our tasting notes.
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How do you taste chocolate in a cigar?
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How do you taste leather?
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I I think a lot of this is is broadening your mind and thinking about aromas and how they interact with flavors.
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You know, obviously we're not eating leather.
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I don't I don't consider leather part of my daily uh uh uh dining routine.
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I know you don't either.
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But a cigar can ta it can taste the way leather smells.
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Yes, yeah, and and that and that's a salty note, which which brings me to where you start.
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Some people say, well, I either like a cigar or I don't like a cigar.
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I say, okay.
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I say, let's start there.
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Well, you like the cigar, what do you like about it?
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And you keep asking yourself that question.
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So it starts with basic descriptors spicy, salty, sweet, earth.
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And then you start there.
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And then once you start thinking about the cigars in those terms, then you can start identifying more complex terms.
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So, okay, it's spicy, but what kind of spice?
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Is it a black pepper spice?
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Is it a red pepper spice?
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Is it a baking spice like cinnamon or ground ginger or something like that?
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And for sweetness, is it a generic sweetness or is it a molasses sweetness?
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Is it brown sugar?
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Is it caramel?
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Is it chocolate?
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Which kind of bridges the sweet and the earthiness.
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They're like they're circles that you st that start off big and you keep trying to make them smaller.
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You don't have to always dial all the way down to the smallest circle, uh, but it it helps to think that way.
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Chocolate's a great example.
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There's so many different types of chocolate.
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Is it a milk chocolate like uh, you know, uh like a Hershey's bar, is it more you know a dark chocolate like a Valrona?
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But if you don't feel like you can get that specific, just keep it to the blanket chocolate.
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And the more you do, the the easier it is for you to dial down on these flavors and aromas.
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And if you don't know what leather tastes like in a cigar, you know, think of it as think of it as salt.
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Or sniff uh uh sniff a piece of leather.
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So you know, if you have a baseball med, take a smell of that or your or your leather belt or something.
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Yeah, I I did a seminar once on that many years ago, and it was at a cigar bar, and that's what I did.
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I had jars and jars and jars of stuff.
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Um, I had chocolate, I had spices, I had herbs, I had all kinds of stuff.
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And before we even lit up a cigar, I said, smell, just smell this, smell this.
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So, you know, I had maybe 12 jars set up.
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You got people thinking about their palate and about their about the erosion.
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I had the anise seeds, which give that kind of licorice smell, and just smell, smell, smell, smell.
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Okay, now we've smelled.
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Now you have a kind of baseline reference.
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Now light up a cigar and see it.
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And so many people were able to pick out flavors like, oh wow, I'm I smelled this before, I'm tasting this now.
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Yeah.
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When people say to us, how do you think about these things?
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It it it's it's actually doing it and and and spending time with uh what does this remind you of?
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You know, the the aroma just l lives in your memory for so long.
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You know, you might get that, you know, a smell of uh your mom's apple pie or something.
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Uh it just w reawakens a memory or or some other thing that you've eaten at some point in your life.
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And that's how that you you kind of draw these parallels.
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Especially nuttiness.
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I mean, that that is such a recurring note in cigars.
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Sometimes it's generic, it just tastes nutty.
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Sometimes it's more specific.
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Sometimes it really does taste like crushed almonds.
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Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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Yeah, it's and it's funny how how often we get the same flavors in a cigar when we're doing these tastings.
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Nobody would believe it.
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Yeah, it's I know it's funny.
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It's uncanny.
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Other tastes of smoking blind.
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You look at the tasting notes and they're all saying like sweet almond and marzipan, and people wouldn't believe if you know you'd have to show them the notes and say, look, this we really detect these notes.
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Marzipan almate is one of my favorite notes in a cigar, actually.
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So, uh question from Mr.
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David Michelson.
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I hope I'm saying his name properly.
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He says, it would be great to hear about what cigars should be part of a first-rate cumidor.
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The first thing I'd say is go to our website and look at our top 25 list.
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And it's very easy to go to because it's just a something that says top 25 right on the homepage.
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And not only so the most recent pops up, but we have them all cataloged.
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You just you just open up the menu, and there it is from every single year.
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And those are our best cigars of the year, our champion cigars of the most recent year.
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So any of those, any of those number ones and and really any of those top tens, I would say would be perfect for a humidor.
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And not just the current year, because sometimes the current year, those cigars can be very hard to find, especially the number one cigar of the year.
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But we've got all our archives in there, and I dare say cigars that we've named Cigar of the Year, they're typically very good cigars for the long run because they've been vetted from multiple taste tests.
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Well, we go back to them because if we so how many times have we gone back and rated a former cigar of the year in a connoisseur's corner just to show yes, these things can age?
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Uh I'm Well, that's another you know what that's another good resource.
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Yeah, connoisseurs corner.
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That you're talking about building a cigar collection.
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Connoisseurs corner is us looking at well-aged cigars.
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Minimum five years age.
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Sometimes we go way back, we've smoked 50 plus year old cigars.
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But most of the cigars I'd say are in that 10-year-old range, probably.
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And uh so you now you can't get all the ones we we talk about.
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We talk about some pretty precious stuff in there, but most issues.
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Shoes, we have something that's a little more accessible.
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That you know, someone says, Well, how do I get a connoisseur's corner cigar?
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Well, you you you lay a box of cigars that you like down for a couple of years and see how it, you know, smoke one a year, maybe take note of the changes.
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And next thing you know, if you're patient, and patience is a big part of this, if you don't smoke them all with your friends and let them age for a while, you wait a couple of years.
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You've got it yourself, you've got yourself a connoisseur's corner cigar.
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I love going back to the cigar of the year because all it does is show, yes, we got it right.
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Because not only was that a great cigar for the time, but here we are five, ten years later, uh, very recently.
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I went back to uh when we did the um the aging room, Quattro Nicaragua, which was Cigar of the Year.
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And I went and it was it was five or six years old when I went back to it, and it was unbelievable how much flavor was still there.
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And that's just that's just the one that comes to that comes to memory right now.
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We've done it many, many times.
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And then there I actually just smoked a um a Boulevard Royal Corona that we named Cigar of the Year.
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Oh, it was our third time.
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So it was uh 2006.
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So that was a 20-year-old uh Boulevard, Robusto size, Royal Corona, and it was it was fantastic.
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It
was it was great.
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It and yeah, it those those number one cigars are special for a reason, and they typically almost always are special again and again.
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The companies that make them, you know, still make them with care, and they're number one for a reason.
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So if you could find an old number one, you know, something we've named number one in the past, consider that a really good candidate for a top-rate humidor.
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And it also depends on how much humidor space do you have.
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No, there's uh you never have enough humidor space, right?
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I mean, is your house a series of desktop humidors and humidipaks, or do you have big cabinets?
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Because if you have that, then you can just start buying boxes and boxes and aging them.
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You can you can go to one of the few uh auction houses, and if it depending on how deep your pockets are, if you want to stock with uh you know, you you want to stock your humidor with old Davidoff's or old Don Candido's or old uh old Alfred Dunhill, the old the old Dunhill cigars, um, you know, you that's the you know, those are the real super trophy cigars.
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Yeah, and then from the non-Cuban world, I mean Padrona's been cigar of the year multiple times, so any of those are great candidates for uh for a humidor.
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Opus X as well.
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Oh, Opus X is a good thing.
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And and and I think but because they're they're they're blended so powerfully, they they have longevity because uh we we when when we did the 20th anniversary issue of Opus X, we had some Opus X's that weren't like the original boxes, the boxes that were shaped like pyramids, and so many years later they still had they're aging very well.
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Yeah, those are those are those are great cigars to lay down.
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What else would you consider uh good candidates for a for a top-tier humidor?
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I mean, it's always good to have some like uh you know what?
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Uh also you get you gotta have what you like.
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Not everybody likes, we like powerhouse cigars.
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We tend to smoke a lot of strong cigars.
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Not everybody likes that strong cigar.
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Look at our buying guide.
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Our buying guide flags not only the top cigars of the issue, but we always talk about the standout mild cigars.
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If you're a mild cigar smoker, nothing wrong with that.
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If you like them more in the medium range, we have the medium-bodied cigars.
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Choose a cigar
that's right for you.
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You know, uh, obviously you should go with the ones that we we we tend to give high scores to.
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That usually fl uh points out a pretty darn good cigar.
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But also look for your own personal likes in there because uh, you know, if it's too strong for you, you might you might not enjoy it so much.
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Yeah, don't be afraid to to dial in your personal strength.
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I think we have time for maybe one or two more questions uh on here, Greg.
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Uh Johnson Cody wants to know why are cigars so expensive?
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I mean, you know, uh everyone worries about costs.
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Things are things could look, I I I think part of this is if you're a long-term smoker, if you smoke cigars for for decades, somewhere in the back of your head is the memory of what you used to pay.
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Uh, you know, I bought a the a box of cigars the week before I joined Cigar Avisionado in 1995, and I paid 35 bucks for it.
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Now you can't get a box of great cigars for 35 bucks anymore.
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Those those days are gone.
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Prices have changed.
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Prices have changed.
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Look, we all want prices to stay the same.
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Uh I remember when a can of beans cost 49 cents, and that's just that's just not the case anymore.
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Uh everything costs money.
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I I I everything's going up from the from logistics, just getting cigars out of out of their countries to to the US, getting it, distributing it from the US distribution points in Miami to the rest of the the country.
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That's more expensive.
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Fuel goes up, that makes everything more expensive.
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Wages go up, the cost of labor goes up, nothing's going down.
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This is just inevitable.
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Um if I'm reading into this question uh from Mr.
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Cody, he might be saying, Why are some of them getting like so super expensive?
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You know, these 40, 50, 60, 100 cigars.
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And to answer that question, that just has to do with age tobacco.
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When you have low yields of tobacco that someone's been sitting on for 10 years, that tobacco was not making any money.
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So you're gonna pay more for that experience.
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And it's a very unique experience.
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If you get something from one specific uh vintage, one specific farm, or just a speci a banner year that someone's been sitting on, and 10 years later, a cigar maker goes back and has this bells and says, Wow, this has really turned into fantastic tobacco, but it's a finite amount.
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He's been storing it, it has not been making him any money.
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That is a that is one of the reasons why a cigar can be so expensive.
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Why you see some of these hundred dollar cigars.
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That said, I still say cigars are they remain one of life's they're they're a luxury product, but they still remain one of life's affordable luxuries.
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Now, maybe not everybody can afford a$300 cigar or a$100 cigar, but there are exceptional cigars in every issue of Cigar Vision for$10 or less.
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Well, in every issue, we have our buying guide and uh at the end of the tastings, and every single buying guide is a section of what are values.
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So they have to score.
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They can't be over a certain price, and they can't be under a certain score.
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And there's there are always those values.
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There's always there's always so so far, we still have plenty of cigars that are ten dollars and under and scoring 90 points or more.
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You know, there are so many questions.
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I don't think we can get to them all.
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I want to thank everyone who views this podcast, everyone who listens to this podcast for sending in your questions.
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We're gonna do this again, we're gonna make this a regular thing.
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It's good to have you involved.
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And thank you once again for tuning into this episode of the Cigar Visionado Podcast.
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Thanks for your questions.
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I'm Greg Matolo.
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