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it or not, in the kitchen when I was, I don't know, 12 years 03:13.580 --> 03:17.630 old, 14 years old, whatever, because he really likes music. And so I sort 03:18.130 --> 03:21.786 of would occupy myself, play by myself, because I was an only child. 03:21.884 --> 03:26.492 I didn't have any relatives. They were all behind communist 03:26.509 --> 03:28.810 bars on the other side of the world. 03:36.941 --> 03:40.383 There is something fantastical about that image, 03:41.126 --> 03:44.430 a little girl learning the tango with her dad in the kitchen. 03:45.106 --> 03:49.264 Because before resilience became a word Alexie would use 03:49.764 --> 03:52.991 to describe herself, there were already things being 03:53.087 --> 03:56.200 built: independence, curiosity, 03:56.794 --> 04:00.773 a drive, and the ability to make something 04:01.511 --> 04:03.662 out of whatever was available. 04:04.560 --> 04:09.069 So I guess that sort of became my strength. I would entertain myself, 04:09.230 --> 04:13.065 do little things. I was very driven. Like, I won— I sold 04:13.565 --> 04:16.981 the most donuts in school, in grade school. I sold the most chocolate 04:17.013 --> 04:20.141 bars in high school. And then I started A 04:20.285 --> 04:24.472 cake decorating course, and I started making cakes for people 04:24.972 --> 04:27.969 for birthdays, anniversaries, whatever, and Easter bunnies. 04:28.306 --> 04:31.754 And from my apartment— I worked at a hospital at 04:32.254 --> 04:36.182 the time, I was a lab technologist— I would rush home during coffee breaks 04:36.682 --> 04:39.903 or lunchtime to melt chocolate. And I made— through 04:40.031 --> 04:43.576 one Easter season, I used 500 pounds 04:44.076 --> 04:47.250 of chocolate working out of my kitchen in an apartment. 04:48.124 --> 04:51.288 I had employees from all over the hospital coming to see me in the lab 04:51.788 --> 04:56.281 to order their chocolate Easter bunnies. So it was— I sort of bounced around 04:56.458 --> 04:59.091 and just dabbled in stuff and, you know, food became really— 04:59.930 --> 05:01.077 500 05:01.222 --> 05:04.361 pounds of chocolate out of 05:04.861 --> 05:09.310 an apartment kitchen. I think it's fair to say Alexi 05:09.406 --> 05:12.611 didn't exactly ease her way into entrepreneurship. 05:13.847 --> 05:16.557 Food became important. Eventually, 05:16.974 --> 05:20.519 she would own a catering company and work professionally as a 05:21.019 --> 05:24.768 chef. But there were other changes along the way, 05:25.474 --> 05:27.623 including becoming a single mother. 05:39.907 --> 05:42.536 When I divorced with a 10-month daughter in tow, 05:43.290 --> 05:47.666 you know, I survived. I lived in another town 05:47.923 --> 05:50.953 and I had to commute to go to work to the city where I was. 05:51.209 --> 05:54.961 I just learned to bounce. I'd say probably somehow it was 05:55.137 --> 05:58.680 innate. If, you know, like I said before, if there is such 05:59.180 --> 06:02.287 a thing, I just never second-guessed myself. 06:02.671 --> 06:06.455 You know, sometimes, you know, there have been occasions where maybe 06:06.955 --> 06:10.014 I felt a little sorry for myself, but I always bounced back. 06:10.532 --> 06:10.985 At this 06:11.017 --> 06:14.511 point in Alexi's life, that was resilience. 06:15.142 --> 06:18.038 Keep moving, keep figuring out the next thing, 06:18.863 --> 06:22.135 and trust that somehow you will get through it. 06:22.892 --> 06:23.263 And then— 06:30.070 --> 06:30.151 The 06:30.651 --> 06:34.191 phone rang that Monday, and, uh, I picked up the receiver, and the 06:34.691 --> 06:38.091 voice at the other end said, you have cancer. We want to book you 06:38.108 --> 06:38.756 for your surgery. 06:41.184 --> 06:43.840 She was diagnosed with uterine cancer. 06:44.586 --> 06:48.474 She made her own decisions about how she wanted to respond 06:48.974 --> 06:52.200 to that diagnosis. Those decisions are part of 06:52.296 --> 06:56.291 Alexi's personal experience, but what matters to this 06:56.339 --> 06:59.769 story is what happened inside her when she 06:59.770 --> 07:01.243 heard those words. 07:03.331 --> 07:05.926 I remember vividly when I hung up the phone, 07:07.042 --> 07:10.424 And said, thank you. I knew in my heart of hearts I was gonna beat 07:10.924 --> 07:14.704 it. There was no way. I didn't know how, but that voice 07:15.040 --> 07:19.593 in my head said, you're gonna beat it. And so without medical intervention, 07:20.266 --> 07:23.792 a few lifestyle changes, I was cancer-free in a year's time. 07:24.514 --> 07:27.735 It was a no-brainer for me in that capacity. 07:27.800 --> 07:31.310 I never doubted myself once. I just knew I was gonna beat 07:31.810 --> 07:34.131 it. Over the years, I've helped many people on their journey. 07:34.918 --> 07:39.000 She didn't know how, but she had decided something 07:39.338 --> 07:42.826 about herself. She was going forward. 07:43.580 --> 07:47.428 And then life gave another test of exactly 07:47.493 --> 07:48.338 what that meant. 07:49.864 --> 07:51.001 When I was homeless, 07:51.880 --> 07:54.934 I ended up moving numerous times. 07:55.513 --> 07:59.050 I slept on couches for part of that. 07:59.532 --> 08:03.317 I, um, Didn't have wheels for part of that, 08:03.541 --> 08:04.968 which made it more challenging. 08:05.785 --> 08:06.330 Couches, 08:07.147 --> 08:10.289 uncertainty, not knowing where 08:10.369 --> 08:14.392 the next place would be. And eventually, a friend 08:14.616 --> 08:18.863 Alexia had known for more than 30 years offered her 08:19.363 --> 08:22.678 a place to stay. Well, sort of. 08:23.335 --> 08:26.797 You know, I didn't know from week to week where the next 08:27.297 --> 08:28.672 pillow was going to be that I was going to lay my head on. 08:29.426 --> 08:33.450 And then a friend invited me to stay at 08:33.950 --> 08:36.417 his place, sort of. 08:37.363 --> 08:40.634 He had a barn that had not been used in like 10 08:40.666 -->

08:43.777 years. He and his wife set up a tent in the barn. 08:44.354 --> 08:47.849 I slept on an air mattress, and I had no running water 08:48.122 --> 08:52.098 nor indoor plumbing. You know, it's— you know, the resilience 08:52.131 --> 08:55.241 sort of comes down a little bit to how much you will tolerate 08:55.658 --> 08:57.117 based on your self-worth. Mm-hmm. 08:57.566 --> 08:58.079 There it is. 08:58.705 --> 09:02.201 Not the cancer diagnosis, not 6 moves, 09:03.259 --> 09:06.242 not even sleeping in a tent inside a barn. 09:07.108 --> 09:10.219 The question underneath all of it was, 09:10.636 --> 09:14.453 how much are you willing to tolerate? And what 09:14.821 --> 09:18.029 does the answer say about what you believe you are 09:18.529 --> 09:18.558 worthy of? 09:19.151 --> 09:21.845 You know, I only stayed there a couple months. I had somebody else 09:21.861 --> 09:22.952 that rescued me out of there. 09:23.786 --> 09:25.054 That changes 09:25.086 --> 09:29.068 the meaning of resilience, because staying isn't 09:29.406 --> 09:33.902 always strength. Enduring one more thing isn't 09:34.062 --> 09:37.322 always strength. Sometimes resilience 09:37.835 --> 09:41.432 is leaving, and sometimes it's recognizing 09:41.769 --> 09:45.141 that surviving somewhere doesn't mean you have to 09:45.641 --> 09:49.556 keep living there. And she did leave, but She 09:50.056 --> 09:53.163 didn't want to carry everyone who had hurt her or disappointed 09:53.663 --> 09:54.141 her with her. 09:54.686 --> 09:57.203 You know, I mean, I don't have any ill feelings 09:57.251 --> 10:00.601 against anybody. I have forgiven everybody. 10:00.697 --> 10:04.256 That's really key in my life. But I feel 10:04.756 --> 10:08.953 sorry for them that they have to resort to such tactics, 10:10.155 --> 10:13.425 treating another human being in that fashion. But our world is 10:13.441 --> 10:16.823 filled with things like that. That's why I like to bring the joy and the 10:17.323 --> 10:21.462 happiness to people's lives. But we need the skills to To 10:21.544 --> 10:25.165 overcome, to not bounce back, I say bounce forward. 10:32.119 --> 10:36.192 Bounce forward. 10:36.885 --> 10:40.804 It keeps coming back to those 2 words because bouncing 10:40.917 --> 10:44.146 back assumes the goal is to return to 10:44.646 --> 10:48.193 where you started. Alexi doesn't believe that's the point. 10:49.167 --> 10:52.854 And eventually she had another reason not to look 10:52.870 --> 10:56.044 backward. Just as COVID was beginning, 10:56.557 --> 10:58.721 Alexi was in a car accident. 10:59.763 --> 11:03.146 The only thing I remember from the accident was my 11:03.915 --> 11:06.576 head sort of swirling back and forth like so. 11:07.538 --> 11:10.264 But I couldn't go to the hospital. I didn't want to go to the hospital 11:10.764 --> 11:14.287 because I had my 2 dogs with me. And so it impacted my balance. 11:14.496 --> 11:18.333 And 2 weeks later, I was working as a chef at a nursing 11:18.365 --> 11:22.380 home. And I fell and 11:22.880 --> 11:25.527 I broke my femur. So that ended my chef career. 11:26.217 --> 11:29.509 The career that had grown from cakes and chocolate in 11:29.525 --> 11:33.298 an apartment kitchen, the catering business she once 11:33.362 --> 11:35.691 thought she'd run until the cows came home, 11:36.911 --> 11:39.127 done, finished. 11:40.427 --> 11:44.420 And once again, she had to decide what forward 11:44.773 --> 11:49.071 looked like when going backwards wasn't available. 11:50.290 --> 11:53.433 Somebody was tapping me on the shoulder saying, enough as a chef, 11:53.513 --> 11:54.652 I've got something better for you. 11:55.502 --> 11:57.138 From my conversation with her, 11:57.667 --> 12:01.532 that is so Alexi. 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Now back to Alexi. 13:37.874 --> 13:41.004 Somewhere along the way, Alexi realized 13:41.116 --> 13:45.392 that one of the things she could give people didn't require 13:45.892 --> 13:48.798 a business or even that much time. 13:49.814 --> 13:52.623 Sometimes it was just a joke, 13:53.730 --> 13:57.630 and she traces some of that back to her years working at remote 13:57.662 --> 13:59.845 fishing lodges in northern Canada. 13:59.989 --> 14:01.048 When I worked at 14:01.548 --> 14:05.430 remote fishing lodges across northern Canada, I was at one lodge 14:05.606 --> 14:08.992 for 4 summers, and 90% of the 14:09.492 --> 14:12.924 guests were repeats. These fishermen were now bringing their 14:13.424 --> 14:17.018 grandsons, and so During dinnertime, I'm not 14:17.518

--> 14:21.562 going to talk to them about fishing, so I started telling jokes. And so when 14:21.915 --> 14:24.901 I came back the next year, they, they saw me and they said, Alexi, 14:24.966 --> 14:28.161 do you have jokes? So I started accumulating jokes, 14:28.257 --> 14:31.629 and everywhere I go, any opportunity I have just 14:32.129 --> 14:36.077 to put a smile on somebody's face, because, you know, laughter increases 14:36.125 --> 14:39.818 longevity, it lowers cortisol, it raises serotonin 14:40.318 --> 14:43.668 and dopamine. And everybody can use a bit of a joke no matter what you're 14:43.732 --> 14:44.245 going through. 14:44.855 --> 14:47.822 I had to ask her to give me one 14:48.322 --> 14:50.500 of those jokes, and here's what she shared. 14:50.805 --> 14:52.088 Billy Graham gets off 14:52.588 --> 14:56.017 the plane after his speaking tour, and his limo driver 14:56.517 --> 14:59.384 is waiting to take him home. And so he says to the limo driver, 14:59.465 --> 15:02.977 he says, you know, I've never driven a limo before. Do you think I could 15:03.477 --> 15:06.745 drive it for a while? And the driver says, yeah, no problem. 15:06.810 --> 15:10.710 So the children get in the limo, they're bombing down the highway, and Billy's 15:11.210 --> 15:14.710 doing 50, 60, and 70. Well, lo and behold, a state 15:15.210 --> 15:19.190 trooper spots him, stops the car, and when he approaches the car and Billy 15:19.690 --> 15:23.510 rolls the windows down, he does a double take and he says, excuse me for 15:24.010 --> 15:27.630 a minute. And so he goes back to his cruiser, he calls his 15:28.130 --> 15:32.070 supervisor, and he says, you know, there's always different circumstances on when 15:32.570 --> 15:34.986 we give tickets, and I've got this I'm here with this really important person and 15:35.403 --> 15:39.051 I don't know what to do. And the supervisor says, so is it 15:39.099 --> 15:43.262 a dignitary? He says, no, more important. He says, is it the president? 15:43.359 --> 15:46.646 He says, no, more important. He says, well then who is it? He says, 15:47.065 --> 15:49.567 well, I think it's Jesus because Billy Graham is his chauffeur. 15:52.807 --> 15:56.598 Okay, I laughed, which I suppose proves 15:56.630 --> 16:00.030 her point. Underneath Alexi's jokes is 16:00.530 --> 16:04.227 something Much more serious. She pays attention 16:04.727 --> 16:08.586 to people— the person holding the door, the stranger 16:08.634 --> 16:13.569 walking by, the neighbor in the hallway— someone 16:13.906 --> 16:17.335 who might need one small moment of 16:17.367 --> 16:21.181 connection. And sometimes she never knows 16:21.598 --> 16:25.251 what that moment did until one day while 16:25.300 --> 16:26.389 walking her dogs. 16:27.530 --> 16:29.763 And I noticed a young man standing 16:29.779 --> 16:33.909 on the corner having a cigarette. He had come from the Philippines 16:33.957 --> 16:37.798 to look after his brother who was suffering from cancer. I

became sort of 16:37.894 --> 16:41.124 like his Canadian aunt. And then one day he said to me that 16:41.624 --> 16:45.029 his brother had passed and would I come to the funeral reception. 16:45.462 --> 16:48.998 And so when I arrived at the funeral home, there were about 30 16:49.498 --> 16:52.982 Filipino women kneeling in the chapel. I made 16:53.014 --> 16:56.242 my way up to my friend, and he explained that they were 16:56.467 --> 17:00.401 waiting to make arrangements to ship the body back to the Philippines so 17:00.465 --> 17:04.111 their mother could be there for burial. So we exchanged a few words 17:04.255 --> 17:07.499 and I left. Several weeks later, I'm walking down the street 17:08.816 --> 17:12.092 and a young Filipino woman approaches me and she says, 17:12.910 --> 17:15.544 were you at so-and-so's funeral a few weeks ago? I said, 17:16.218 --> 17:17.632 yes, I was. She says— 17:17.648 --> 17:19.350 You have no idea. 17:20.665 --> 17:24.395 How much your presence there impacted 17:24.895 --> 17:25.275 our community. 17:27.556 --> 17:28.418 It's something I 17:28.450 --> 17:32.029 will take to my grave. It so touched my heart. 17:33.852 --> 17:37.531 Like I said, you never know how some small act can 17:38.031 --> 17:40.648 really make a profound impact on someone. 17:41.548 --> 17:42.512 Alexi hadn't 17:43.012 --> 17:46.515 gone there to make an impact. She went because somebody she knew 17:46.824 --> 17:49.469 was grieving. And she showed up. 17:50.498 --> 17:54.627 That's all. And someone remembered. 17:55.495 --> 17:59.736 Maybe that's part of what happened after everything Alexi 17:59.849 --> 18:03.452 has survived. The big things taught her to 18:03.484 --> 18:05.795 pay attention to the small ones. 18:12.518 --> 18:16.372 Today she lives in a senior community, she'll tell you pretty 18:16.436 --> 18:19.841 quickly that retirement isn't exactly her style. 18:20.547 --> 18:23.711 She still speaks, mentors, and she still writes. 18:24.787 --> 18:28.015 Most of all, she still leaves little pieces of 18:28.515 --> 18:32.126 herself around the building, and sometimes quite 18:32.335 --> 18:32.720 literally. 18:33.218 --> 18:35.724 They all know I'm the person that tells jokes, 18:35.948 --> 18:39.337 you know, and so when they see me, okay, you know, Alexie, what's your joke 18:39.837 --> 18:43.171 for today? And You know, sometimes I'll post a quote 18:43.251 --> 18:46.521 on the board in the foyer, and it's always 18:46.553 --> 18:49.936 something to do with kindness or gratitude or, 18:50.224 --> 18:53.687 you know, something motivational. And they all know it's from me. 18:54.633 --> 18:58.304 You can never really know the true impact you have on those around 18:58.400 --> 19:01.895 you. You never know how much someone needed that smile 19:02.023 --> 19:05.935 you gave them. You never know how much your kindness turned someone's 19:06.435 --> 19:09.898 life around. You never know how much someone needed that 19:09.946 --> 19:13.572 long hug or deep talk. So don't wait to be 19:14.072 --> 19:18.112 kind, just be kind, because you never know how much someone 19:18.208 --> 19:21.738 needs it. So, you know, I'm dropping little things like this, 19:22.299 --> 19:26.070 you know, whether it was for Valentine's Day or for Christmas or 19:26.570 --> 19:29.904 Easter, like these little posters. Or, you know, I also make these 19:30.000 --> 19:33.065 heart-shaped bite-sized chocolate macaroon and the 19:33.565 --> 19:36.885 other one is a cashew truffle. I've got a little sticker that says Happiness Matters. 19:37.062 --> 19:40.528 So I'm always doing like these little things everywhere I go, 19:41.010 --> 19:45.102 and people know me for these certain little things. That doesn't necessarily mean they 19:45.167 --> 19:48.088 comment on it, but they'll, 19:48.152 --> 19:51.330 they'll give me a smile and I know they appreciate it. Not everybody, 19:51.586 --> 19:52.245 but that's okay. 19:52.806 --> 19:55.759 Not everybody, but that's 19:56.259 --> 19:59.772 okay. Maybe That's another piece of bouncing forward 19:59.804 --> 20:03.784 too. You stop needing every person to respond. 20:04.890 --> 20:08.492 Stop measuring the value of what you give by whether somebody 20:08.992 --> 20:12.548 applauds. You give it because it reflects who 20:13.145 --> 20:13.824 you've become. 20:15.490 --> 20:16.923 Yeah, I still, I'm, you know, 20:17.035 --> 20:20.884 speaking on stages and doing a little bit of mentoring. And then 20:21.705 --> 20:25.838 I have several newsletters that I publish on Social 20:26.338 --> 20:30.431 media pretty much every day. And I'm looking to start 20:30.931 --> 20:35.314 a women's group for support because my work is 20:35.814 --> 20:38.831 really heart-focused. You know, it's— yeah, I still like what I'm doing. 20:39.570 --> 20:43.665 You know, I'd like to speak more. And, you know, because I approach resilience 20:43.826 --> 20:46.862 from an emotional standpoint, not a scientific background. 20:46.958 --> 20:49.993 You know, it's— I've lived it. I've walked it. I've seen it. 20:50.893 --> 20:53.799 I've lived it. I've walked it. I've seen it. 20:55.068 --> 20:58.295 There is a difference between telling someone that life will 20:58.795 --> 21:02.245 be okay and sitting across from someone who has had to find 21:02.309 --> 21:05.280 out what okay means more than once. 21:06.307 --> 21:09.198 Alexi doesn't have the same life she started with. 21:09.920 --> 21:13.485 Not the same career. She isn't even living where she 21:13.533 --> 21:16.937 once imagined she would. She's been sick, 21:17.482 --> 21:21.249 Lost stability, and has had to start over 21:21.749 --> 21:25.818 again more than once. But listen to what she talks about 21:26.318 --> 21:28.784 now. A joke, a note, 21:29.890 --> 21:32.920 a chocolate, showing up for a friend. 21:33.930 --> 21:36.367 Small things, portable things, 21:37.521 --> 21:41.304 things you can still give when life has taken some

21:41.448 --> 21:42.731 of the bigger things away. 21:49.224 --> 21:52.453 Maybe becoming the light doesn't always look 21:52.744 --> 21:54.746 like some enormous transformation. 21:55.660 --> 21:59.121 Maybe it's just deciding sometimes 21:59.637 --> 22:03.388 that whatever happened to you will not be the only 22:03.421 --> 22:05.893 thing you hand to the next person. 22:07.001 --> 22:10.538 So I asked Alexi before we wrapped up our conversation, 22:11.326 --> 22:12.817 What keeps you smiling today? 22:13.570 --> 22:14.836 Sharing a joke with somebody. 22:15.589 --> 22:19.563 Well, that answer could not possibly be more Alexi. 22:20.861 --> 22:24.691 And I asked her if she had one piece of wisdom to give to 22:24.707 --> 22:26.566 everybody listening, what would it be? 22:26.950 --> 22:28.024 Start every single 22:28.524 --> 22:31.774 day with a self-hug. Absolutely very important. 22:32.415 --> 22:33.216 Very important. 22:33.857 --> 22:35.908 Because I was a little curious 22:36.005 --> 22:40.324 to know Whether she meant that literally or metaphorically, 22:41.062 --> 22:41.721 I asked her. 22:41.865 --> 22:45.335 Look at yourself in the mirror if you can, and cross 22:45.835 --> 22:49.013 your arms, cross your shoulders, make eye contact, 22:49.414 --> 22:53.413 and say to yourself whatever your favorite affirmation is. 22:54.634 --> 22:57.910 Alexi, thank you for sharing your story with us 22:58.344 --> 23:01.765 and reminding us that resilience doesn't always 23:01.797 --> 23:05.261 have to look heroic. Sometimes it's getting up 23:05.761 --> 23:09.027 again, walking away from something you never should 23:09.527 --> 23:12.953 have had to tolerate, or finding a new purpose when 23:13.001 --> 23:15.116 the old one is no longer available. 23:16.366 --> 23:20.212 And sometimes it's as simple as making a stranger 23:20.712 --> 23:24.058 laugh. You can learn more about Alexi and find 23:24.558 --> 23:28.929 the resources connected to her story at changehappenedpodcast.com. 23:29.507 --> 23:33.665 And don't forget to follow 23:33.841 --> 23:37.003 the show so you don't miss this Friday's Smile Drop 23:37.389 --> 23:41.706 or next Tuesday's episode, Beyond Everything Is 23:41.722 --> 23:45.382 Love, where we'll hear about the moment that changed 23:45.559 --> 23:46.056 her life. 23:46.602 --> 23:49.235 So may the rest of your day bring smiles to your face and 23:49.267 --> 23:49.957 joy to your heart. 23:59.138 --> 24:02.749 I keep thinking about that woman who stopped Alexei on the 24:03.249 --> 24:06.681 street. She had gone to a funeral, paid her respects, 24:06.826 --> 24:09.987 and gone home. And as far as she knew, 24:10.758 --> 24:14.722 that was the end of it. But someone had noticed. 24:15.123 --> 24:17.755 Someone remembered. And weeks later, 24:18.381 --> 24:21.816 that person made sure she knew that simply being 24:21.848 --> 24:25.765 there had mattered. Most of us will probably never 24:26.265 --> 24:29.684 get that conversation. We'll hold a door, we'll send a text, 24:30.198 --> 24:34.213 make somebody laugh, or sit beside someone when there isn't anything useful 24:34.713 --> 24:38.613 to say. And we'll probably never know what happened after 24:39.113 --> 24:42.146 we walked away. But do we really need to know? 24:43.109 --> 24:47.108 Alexi calls it bouncing forward, and maybe part of that is realizing 24:47.381 --> 24:51.958 we don't have to wait until our own lives are 24:52.458 --> 24:54.062 completely put back together before we have something worth giving. 24:57.160 --> 25:00.950 Change Happened, Then What? is written, edited, and produced by 25:01.450 --> 25:04.883 me, Heather Holt, at Holt Hill Studios, with supervision 25:05.301 --> 25:09.805 and multiple interruptions from Waylon and 25:10.368 --> 25:13.490 Dalton. Until next week, change happened, 25:14.294 --> 25:14.868 then what?