النص الكامل لحلقة 50 and Just Getting Started with Jackie Mather

and to show women that just because you're 50 in your 50s, that you cannot achieve that you don't have, you know, you're not achieving. 00:02:26.560 --> 00:02:27.439 You can't achieve. 00:02:27.599 --> 00:02:28.240 You can. 00:02:28.400 --> 00:02:29.680 You can achieve anything. 00:02:29.919 --> 00:02:30.159 Yeah. 00:02:30.400 --> 00:02:32.719 So that has been my my passion. 00:02:33.120 --> 00:02:33.759 Nice. 00:02:34.000 --> 00:02:34.240 Yeah. 00:02:34.400 --> 00:02:39.759 And and so I'm interested to unpack that a little bit more, Jackie, and how how do we do that? 00:02:39.840 --> 00:02:45.199 Because I guess some people might be listening and be like, oh, well, that's easy for you to say, or yeah, I've got all this stuff going on. 00:02:45.360 --> 00:02:51.840 So how practically how do we how do we get to that point where we are feeling good in our 50s or living life? 00:02:52.080 --> 00:02:53.520 It comes with confidence. 00:02:54.159 --> 00:02:57.520 So I've always had insecurity issues. 00:02:57.599 --> 00:03:01.599 I've always had self-doubt issues, even as a young child. 00:03:01.919 --> 00:03:06.319 But as I got older, I learned how to sort of deal with them a little bit better. 00:03:06.479 --> 00:03:10.240 So what I did was I started my fitness. 00:03:10.400 --> 00:03:15.680 I started exercise to help with my mental health and my beliefs. 00:03:16.000 --> 00:03:21.199 And it made me not just physically stronger, it made me mentally stronger. 00:03:21.520 --> 00:03:31.520 So I started with my fitness, and then I went into coming out of my comfort zone, and not everyone has to be a model. 00:03:31.840 --> 00:03:34.560 You know, it's not all about modeling to be confident. 00:03:34.960 --> 00:03:44.400 But when I turned 50, I did a 50-year-old photo shoot and basically came out of my comfort zone then and applied for Miss Fit Bikini model back in 2021. 00:03:45.199 --> 00:03:56.159 And I applied for that purely because I thought that at 50 you can achieve anything and like you you can do anything that you want to do. 00:03:56.240 --> 00:04:04.400 So why can't I stand up there and walk the runway and do and pose and do everything else that you have to do, just like everybody else? 00:04:05.280 --> 00:04:15.759 So I did that, and then I competed in different sports, and I competed in high rocks two years in a row, and I won two events. 00:04:15.919 --> 00:04:21.839 Oh it it it basically all comes into mindset, yeah, strong mindset. 00:04:22.079 --> 00:04:31.199 I was just thinking, I was like, was it sort of when you turned 50 like a switch, so to speak, where it was sort of just like, right, enough is enough, and I've got to do it. 00:04:31.519 --> 00:04:37.360 Is that it was basically because I yeah, it was, it was a mind switch. 00:04:37.519 --> 00:04:45.759 But when we go through change of life, I mean perimenopause and menopause hits women at anything from 40 onwards. 00:04:45.920 --> 00:04:55.279 And perimenopause starts at the age

of like, sorry, 40, but can go for 10 years before you actually, you know, get to penopause. 00:04:55.439 --> 00:04:57.519 Um, I was in prevention magazine. 00:04:57.600 --> 00:05:01.759 I was in that for menopause and preimenopause. 00:05:01.839 --> 00:05:04.240 I did an article in prevention magazine. 00:05:04.480 --> 00:05:07.600 I spoke about the symptoms that I was going through. 00:05:07.759 --> 00:05:10.800 I spoke about the fitness, what it does to me. 00:05:10.959 --> 00:05:14.879 I spoke about the journey that I've been through to get there. 00:05:15.120 --> 00:05:24.560 And, you know, it's it's not unusual for women to show different symptoms and different feelings of their menopause and perimenopause. 00:05:24.639 --> 00:05:26.720 Some suffer hot flushes, some don't. 00:05:26.879 --> 00:05:32.079 Some suffer sleepless nights, some suffer they can sleep all night. 00:05:32.319 --> 00:05:34.480 Some gain weight, some don't gain weight. 00:05:34.560 --> 00:05:35.360 You know what I mean? 00:05:35.519 --> 00:05:36.720 So everyone's different. 00:05:36.959 --> 00:05:37.279 Yeah. 00:05:37.519 --> 00:05:38.000 Yeah. 00:05:38.240 --> 00:05:51.360 And I guess in in that journey for yourself of perimenopause, menopause, did you think that you had people around you, whether that be experts or other people going through that as well, that sort of helped you along the way, or it was all just I did it all myself. 00:05:51.519 --> 00:05:56.240 I just dissected um the computer, to be honest. 00:05:56.399 --> 00:05:57.759 I went on the computer. 00:05:57.839 --> 00:06:00.079 I to be honest, I'll I'll go back a little bit. 00:06:00.160 --> 00:06:06.240 I went on to a doctor, to a GP, and I felt that I was so full of anxiety. 00:06:06.399 --> 00:06:09.600 I I I I just couldn't function. 00:06:09.920 --> 00:06:14.319 So I went to a doctor, and the doctor said to me, There's nothing that we can do. 00:06:14.480 --> 00:06:15.759 Your hormones are fine. 00:06:15.839 --> 00:06:20.959 We've had all these testings done, and that your hormones are in a normal range. 00:06:21.120 --> 00:06:22.319 There's nothing wrong with you. 00:06:22.560 --> 00:06:24.079 Basically, it's all in your head. 00:06:24.240 --> 00:06:24.560 Yeah. 00:06:24.720 --> 00:06:28.079 Do you want to give medication to you for anti-anxiety? 00:06:28.160 --> 00:06:31.839 I said, no, I want to go home and I want to achieve this on my own. 00:06:32.560 --> 00:06:33.759 So I ended up doing that. 00:06:33.839 --> 00:06:40.720 And I went on the computer and I looked at everything that I could look at as far as what to eat, how to exercise. 00:06:41.040 --> 00:06:45.839 And again, it's all strong, it's it's willpower, it's stretch, it's mindset. 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:46.240 Yeah. 00:06:46.399 --> 00:06:47.519 Which is what I feel. 00:06:47.759 --> 00:06:48.079 Yeah. 00:06:48.319 --> 00:06:48.720 Great. 00:06:49.040 --> 00:07:03.040 I guess for me, reflecting on that, like the the annoyance of a GP

telling a woman that it's all in your head, which is so common at any any age, any stage, all those experiences of, oh no, that's just, or it's just normal. 00:07:03.199 --> 00:07:05.439 Like that, oh, you just that just happens at this age. 00:07:06.079 --> 00:07:06.639 Absolutely. 00:07:06.959 --> 00:07:07.519 Absolutely. 00:07:07.680 --> 00:07:12.480 And the thing that gets me is they all go by blood tests and everybody's different. 00:07:12.800 --> 00:07:17.680 And you know, um, at certain time of the day, if you have certain blood tests, it's not gonna, you know. 00:07:17.839 --> 00:07:25.839 So to me, it was like, okay, well, hang on a minute, like I know how I feel, I know how my body feels, and I'm sure most women do. 00:07:26.240 --> 00:07:30.160 So I knew that there was something going on, but I just didn't know what. 00:07:30.480 --> 00:07:40.319 So when I actually looked on the computer to find out, okay, all these symptoms, it came back with perimenopause, menopause, all this all this stuff going on. 00:07:40.480 --> 00:07:44.560 So I then planned out a whole program for myself. 00:07:44.639 --> 00:07:44.959 Yeah. 00:07:45.120 --> 00:07:46.480 And I'm not qualified. 00:07:46.560 --> 00:07:47.040 Yeah. 00:07:47.360 --> 00:07:49.040 And it worked. 00:07:50.560 --> 00:07:50.800 For me. 00:07:51.040 --> 00:07:51.759 Yes, and that's what I've done. 00:07:51.920 --> 00:07:54.319 But everybody is but everyone's different. 00:07:54.480 --> 00:07:54.800 Yeah. 00:07:54.959 --> 00:08:03.040 I've always said, and I said this into prevention as well when I was in prevention, I said HRT, if you need to be on HRT, stay on HRT. 00:08:03.199 --> 00:08:05.600 What worked for me doesn't work for everybody. 00:08:06.079 --> 00:08:07.759 But it's all in your mindset. 00:08:07.920 --> 00:08:09.519 Like everything's in your mind. 00:08:09.759 --> 00:08:10.160 Yeah. 00:08:10.399 --> 00:08:16.160 I think that's really important to acknowledge that everyone's experiences are different, and therefore what works for everyone is really different. 00:08:16.399 --> 00:08:28.240 But I just want to circle back a little bit as well in sort of understanding your own body and the importance of that, and then advocating for yourself when you know that something's not right because you know your own body better than anyone. 00:08:28.399 --> 00:08:37.039 You know what's normal for you, and not to be gaslit, I guess, and to then like, you know, try hopefully, and this is tricky. 00:08:37.120 --> 00:08:42.080 I understand that not everyone has the luxury of going to different doctors or different experts. 00:08:42.320 --> 00:08:52.240 Absolutely or you know, the ability to do their own research, but to to understand that it is a change for you and to somehow advocate to find something different for you as well. 00:08:52.399 --> 00:09:02.879 And then as you said, to to stick with what works for you because if it's working and if you know other people recommend not to do it,

but if it's working for you, then that that's good. 00:09:03.200 --> 00:09:04.000 Absolutely. 00:09:04.240 --> 00:09:08.639 And then pretty much after that, like I've been bullied a lot. 00:09:08.879 --> 00:09:20.799 Okay, so bullying has come into this, you know, about because I've always wanted to show women and achieve to women that we can do anything, and I've always been very misunderstood. 00:09:21.759 --> 00:09:39.759 So when I was misunderstood, it was like, oh, you know, you think you're great, or you know, you're got this, or why are you doing it at that age, and why at 50 are you doing this, and you won't get anywhere, and you won't do anything, and you're too old, and all this sort of stuff. 00:09:39.840 --> 00:09:51.679 So then I got attacked by online people, or people that I know that I don't no longer want to be involved in, because it was basically judgment. 00:09:51.840 --> 00:10:11.039 It came to judgment and it came to criticism and it came to problems where people were, you know, I don't know what what what they thought at the time or why they thought that at the time, but I fought through that and I kept going and I kept going and kept going because that I never wanted to give up. 00:10:11.279 --> 00:10:19.679 I wanted to always show women that we doesn't matter what you get or what people say about you, you can still get through and still do things. 00:10:20.000 --> 00:10:21.120 And I've achieved that. 00:10:21.759 --> 00:10:22.399 Incredible. 00:10:22.720 --> 00:10:25.440 So sorry that you've obviously had to experience that. 00:10:25.600 --> 00:10:29.519 How awful, but not a but that's full stop. 00:10:29.600 --> 00:10:35.759 But uh I said it again, but I guess of like we definitely have a problem with this tall poppy syndrome, isn't it? 00:10:35.840 --> 00:10:46.720 Like yeah, and and then hence why I think probably women of all ages, but then probably in their 50s, are like, no, I can't do that because all of society says I can't do that. 00:10:47.039 --> 00:10:47.519 Exactly. 00:10:47.600 --> 00:10:49.200 And you also see demons. 00:10:49.279 --> 00:11:08.559 So basically what happened in, and I hope I'm not sort of chopping and changing, and please correct me if I am, but that's when I went and started the runways, and I wanted to get onto the runways because I felt that there were demons in front of me consistently saying, Well, you can't do this, you can't do this. 00:11:08.879 --> 00:11:17.919 So at the end of every runway, I could see these demons thinking, you can't do this, you can't do this because of the bullying that I've had for so long. 00:11:18.240 --> 00:11:25.360 So I looked very awkward on stage, knowing that I felt that I could see these people in front of me. 00:11:25.759 --> 00:11:30.320 Um, or not so much see them, I could hear them, the boy, like I could hear them saying. 00:11:30.559 --> 00:11:32.240 So it took me a long time. 00:11:32.320 --> 00:11:40.240 So I actually ended up going to Queensland Art Festival, Fashion Festival, and I ended up doing runways with them. 00:11:40.480 --> 00:11:43.600 And it's the best thing that I ever did. 00:11:44.000 --> 00:11:49.200 And it was one of those things that helped me with my confidence even more. 00:11:49.360 --> 00:12:00.240 I got rid of all the demons, and I was able to walk the runway, even though I'm still learning and still bringing out my confidence and more easier. 00:12:00.320 --> 00:12:01.120 Do you know what I mean? 00:12:01.279 --> 00:12:02.960 Like, is that the right word to use? 00:12:03.039 --> 00:12:03.919 More easier, maybe? 00:12:04.480 --> 00:12:05.360 Oh what comfortable? 00:12:05.440 --> 00:12:06.799 Like comfortable, comfortable. 00:12:07.519 --> 00:12:09.600 Yeah, yeah, that might be a good word for you. 00:12:09.759 --> 00:12:09.919 Yeah. 00:12:10.000 --> 00:12:20.559 And I I that's so interesting for me because I think there's like a clear component there in terms of you knowing your values and how you wanted to to live your life. 00:12:20.639 --> 00:12:35.120 And despite you still had all these people around you close or far saying all these things in conflict of what you valued, but there was something inside of you that gave you enough oomph to be like, well, let's try a different way, or absolutely. 00:12:35.360 --> 00:12:47.600 It was let's go down a different our our avenue and see what I can still achieve out of this and get rid of those demons, get rid of those people, voices. 00:12:47.919 --> 00:12:50.080 And that's exactly what I did. 00:12:50.320 --> 00:12:54.879 But then again, it comes from a really strong mindset, which I've always had. 00:12:55.120 --> 00:12:55.600 Yeah. 00:12:56.159 --> 00:13:02.639 So I guess in terms of for people listening who might hear say, okay, you've got a really strong mindset. 00:13:03.039 --> 00:13:12.000 Do you have any tips or or practical things that you either you do or others could try that helps your mindset, their mindset? 00:13:12.320 --> 00:13:12.720 Yes. 00:13:12.879 --> 00:13:15.360 Well, again, it fitness is a big thing for me. 00:13:15.519 --> 00:13:15.759 Yeah. 00:13:15.919 --> 00:13:20.159 I suffer anxiety, I get really nervous, and I overthink things. 00:13:20.320 --> 00:13:20.720 True. 00:13:20.960 --> 00:13:29.120 So what I actually do is I do some form of fitness, which is basically the walking, I go to functional training. 00:13:29.360 --> 00:13:39.200 I try every night before I go to bed in my room, I sit there and I try and meditate and I try and switch off my brain. 00:13:39.440 --> 00:13:42.960 But then first thing in the morning, you know, I it starts again. 00:13:43.200 --> 00:13:43.360 Yeah. 00:13:43.440 --> 00:13:43.679 Yeah. 00:13:43.919 --> 00:13:49.200 So basically, my biggest advice is to do some form of physical exercise. 00:13:49.519 --> 00:13:55.840 I know that everybody lives a very busy life and I know things are tough at the moment. 00:13:56.320 --> 00:13:58.799 But at the end of

the day, walking's free. 00:13:58.879 --> 00:14:06.480 And, you know, their community down at the beaches, they have all those five-dollar group activities that you can do. 00:14:06.720 --> 00:14:15.039 Or if you feel that you can want to go to a functional training, the gym's an amazing place because it does help with all your mind and everything. 00:14:15.279 --> 00:14:19.360 And that's how I I've done so well with just doing fitness. 00:14:19.600 --> 00:14:30.799 I've always had a strong mindset though, so that's very, very hard for me to try and work out how do how do I connect that with other people because I am so very strong in the mind. 00:14:30.960 --> 00:14:31.279 Yeah. 00:14:31.519 --> 00:14:35.679 But fitness has helped my strength, not just physically, but mentally. 00:14:35.840 --> 00:14:36.639 Yeah, yeah. 00:14:36.799 --> 00:14:45.840 Yeah, I um am someone that I openly speak about um in my life having this love-hate relationship with exercise and and movement. 00:14:46.080 --> 00:14:51.200 And then getting to a point in my life where it was like, Will you find the movement that works for you? 00:14:51.360 --> 00:14:58.080 And similar to that conversation we had before around values and everything like that, is that you don't have to do what everyone else is doing. 00:14:58.159 --> 00:15:00.879 If high rox is not for you, don't go do a high rox. 00:15:01.039 --> 00:15:03.440 Like find the thing that works for you. 00:15:03.600 --> 00:15:12.399 And so I I speak about a stompy mental health walk where you know, that's sometimes where it's like I just don't want to, but I know that that's really what I need. 00:15:12.559 --> 00:15:17.519 And then, you know, shockingly, I feel so much better afterwards, and I'm like, oh, it worked. 00:15:17.759 --> 00:15:30.480 Well, I I even like recommend to people because I'm nowhere near a fitness instructor, I just do what I basically have done for myself, and I'm yeah, you know, basically leading from example. 00:15:30.639 --> 00:15:43.519 So what I always say to people that ask me about my fitness is that I have two rest days a week, and whether I go for a walk or whether I just do nothing, that I just basically have two days off. 00:15:43.759 --> 00:15:45.840 And that has really helped me. 00:15:46.000 --> 00:15:46.399 Yeah. 00:15:46.639 --> 00:15:49.200 So yeah, and that's what I normally do. 00:15:49.440 --> 00:15:49.919 Yeah. 00:15:50.080 --> 00:15:55.200 And and that balance, because I think sometimes we are all or nothing people. 00:15:55.360 --> 00:16:06.399 And so, and and like if exercise is is hard for you or you haven't exercised for a while, going in hard and trying to do everything all at once is not gonna probably not gonna be the best for you. 00:16:06.639 --> 00:16:08.240 And it's not good for you to do that, no. 00:16:08.559 --> 00:16:09.200 Yeah, yeah. 00:16:09.360 --> 00:16:18.799 And then and then particularly if you feel like you then can't do it or you feel like quote unquote you've failed, then that's that mindset thing playing for you again as well. 00:16:18.960 --> 00:16:21.919 So finding that balance, really, really important. 00:16:22.480 --> 00:16:30.879 So I guess uh like you're sort of touching on this already, but in terms of of those values and those practical skills of showing up every single day. 00:16:31.039 --> 00:16:33.120 So movement is obviously one of them. 00:16:33.279 --> 00:16:39.519 Are there other things, I guess, that that help you to remain living outside of your comfort zone? 00:16:39.679 --> 00:16:44.639 Or how do you like we're we're saying we want to encourage women to do anything in their 50s? 00:16:44.799 --> 00:16:48.240 Are there other things that you you do into for yourself? 00:16:48.559 --> 00:16:50.159 I love community. 00:16:50.320 --> 00:16:57.120 Yeah, I find, you know, coming off the gym uh that you actually do meet a lot of women. 00:16:57.279 --> 00:17:05.680 So bringing women together has been a big passion of mine for the past 15 years, which is why we're working on a project at the moment from Prime. 00:17:05.759 --> 00:17:14.319 So we're bringing women together, you know, 50 women at between 50 to 59, to bring women together to show women that we can achieve anything. 00:17:14.480 --> 00:17:24.079 And it's not about just modeling, it's not about, you know, feeling that you have to comp to compete with anybody, it's it's more for yourself. 00:17:24.480 --> 00:17:29.599 And it's something that I've wanted to do as one of the one of the founders of Prime. 00:17:29.680 --> 00:17:34.240 I just wanted to bring that out and to show women that we can achieve anything. 00:17:34.480 --> 00:17:38.559 And there is a project coming, and it is going to be in 2027. 00:17:38.720 --> 00:17:43.279 And the co-founder with me, Jen, uh, Jenny Drew, is is part of this. 00:17:43.519 --> 00:17:52.319 And by Adani is another um company that is behind us as well, and it's it's just going to be amazing to bring women together. 00:17:52.400 --> 00:17:55.839 So that stay tuned for that one that's coming next year. 00:17:56.079 --> 00:17:58.480 Yeah, so that's going to be all 2027. 00:17:58.640 --> 00:18:00.640 So that's all in the link in my bio. 00:18:00.799 --> 00:18:02.559 It's in Jen Drew's bio. 00:18:02.640 --> 00:18:04.160 It's it's yeah, everywhere. 00:18:04.480 --> 00:18:05.200 Watch this space. 00:18:05.279 --> 00:18:05.440 Okay. 00:18:05.759 --> 00:18:06.319 Watch this space. 00:18:06.400 --> 00:18:06.559 Yeah. 00:18:06.799 --> 00:18:09.759 How exciting, how exciting to see see that come to life. 00:18:10.000 --> 00:18:16.559 I guess in terms of you're talking about community and we don't necessarily have to talk to about what's coming, like we can keep that under wraps. 00:18:16.880 --> 00:18:17.359 Sure. 00:18:18.000 --> 00:18:22.160 Why why do you why is community so important to you, do you think? 00:18:23.279 --> 00:18:30.000 Because when I was, I'm gonna go right raw back to

when I was younger, I didn't really have a lot of friends. 00:18:30.240 --> 00:18:34.400 I didn't have a lot of people that understood me. 00:18:34.720 --> 00:18:39.440 And I had as I grew up, I found it really difficult to fit in. 00:18:40.000 --> 00:18:47.759 So I I wanted to bring that together and to show women that I understand how it feels not to fit in. 00:18:47.920 --> 00:18:53.759 I understand how it feels to not feel included in any form, shape. 00:18:53.920 --> 00:19:00.960 I understand how it feels to have mental health where you feel that everything is just not working. 00:19:01.279 --> 00:19:05.279 So I want to bring that together and show women that we can do it. 00:19:05.519 --> 00:19:13.200 And it doesn't matter how far what you do or how far you've come, or if you haven't started, it doesn't matter. 00:19:13.519 --> 00:19:17.839 We can all work this together, and that's what my passion has been. 00:19:18.240 --> 00:19:25.519 Because of my past history of what I went through and how I pulled through, I want others to pull through too. 00:19:25.680 --> 00:19:27.920 And that's exactly where I want to be. 00:19:28.240 --> 00:19:28.799 Nice. 00:19:28.960 --> 00:19:31.359 And hopefully that answered your question. 00:19:31.599 --> 00:19:33.920 Yeah, no, I it did, absolutely. 00:19:34.079 --> 00:19:39.759 I think that's really like you know, you've shared your experience, which thank you for for opening up about that. 00:19:39.920 --> 00:19:46.960 But to then to then use that in a in a positive way and to to be here today speaking about that as well. 00:19:47.119 --> 00:19:58.480 Like I think I think sharing our stories helps to normalize other people's experiences and to say, not normalize, yeah, normalize, I think is an okay word, but to then say you're not alone. 00:19:58.720 --> 00:19:59.519 You're not alone. 00:19:59.759 --> 00:20:10.319 Yeah, like I think that's really important because I think particularly in this day and age, we're the most connected, but I think we're becoming the most disconnected at the same time. 00:20:10.480 --> 00:20:16.640 And and to to set to hear someone else say, you know what, I've been through a bit of shit as well. 00:20:16.880 --> 00:20:23.839 And this is what we can do, and you're not alone, and you know, listen in, or this is what I tried. 00:20:23.920 --> 00:20:24.799 Have you tried that? 00:20:24.960 --> 00:20:26.000 Give something a shot. 00:20:26.160 --> 00:20:28.480 I I think I think there's power in that. 00:20:28.559 --> 00:20:42.720 I think it's there's a lot of power and a lot of, you know, being living by example, I find living by proof that I I'm not just practice, I'm I'm I'm sort of like, you know that saying practice what you preach. 00:20:42.880 --> 00:20:43.920 Yeah, you know what I mean? 00:20:44.079 --> 00:20:49.920 It's basically very raw to me, very, a very big passion that I've wanted to do. 00:20:50.079 --> 00:20:56.079 Nothing's more hard being in a skin that you feel so disconnected with. 00:20:56.319 --> 00:21:08.079 And I want women to feel that whether you're going through change of life, whether you're in your 40s, whether whatever, that there is always a light at the end of the tunnel and you can get through it, you know? 00:21:08.319 --> 00:21:10.480 And that's exactly what I've wanted to do. 00:21:10.559 --> 00:21:12.160 I do have learning difficulties. 00:21:12.240 --> 00:21:13.920 I've had them since I was young. 00:21:14.079 --> 00:21:15.680 I struggled through school. 00:21:15.839 --> 00:21:28.880 I have, you know, I'm the most um beautiful-hearted person, but I've always wanted to help people and I wanted to help people achieve their passions because I found it difficult to achieve mine. 00:21:29.279 --> 00:21:31.519 So now I'm achieving what I want to achieve. 00:21:31.599 --> 00:21:32.720 I want to bring that out. 00:21:32.960 --> 00:21:33.440 Yeah. 00:21:33.680 --> 00:21:35.599 So oh, that's very special. 00:21:35.759 --> 00:21:38.000 That's very, I don't even know what the word is. 00:21:38.160 --> 00:21:42.720 Like I just think that I feel very privileged for you to to be saying that and to share that. 00:21:42.880 --> 00:21:44.480 So thank you for for doing that. 00:21:44.559 --> 00:21:50.160 I think that's yeah, it feels quite special and sacred to hear to hear your experience. 00:21:50.319 --> 00:21:51.680 So it's so thank you. 00:21:51.920 --> 00:22:03.039 And then I think in terms of like the ripple effect of that as well, like the women that are gonna hear this and the potential ripple effect of that it's Yeah, the whole premise of the Your Wild Potential podcast. 00:22:03.200 --> 00:22:04.640 So it's great. 00:22:04.880 --> 00:22:05.759 Yeah, I love it. 00:22:06.160 --> 00:22:14.079 I guess in terms of for those people that are listening, so we've spoken a bit about perimenopause, menopause, we've spoken about getting out of your comfort zone. 00:22:14.160 --> 00:22:22.480 We've spoken about that exercise is something that movement, um, physical activity is something that's really helped you through all those, all those things. 00:22:22.799 --> 00:22:29.519 For someone that might be listening and saying, No, I can't do any of that, where might be a starting point for them? 00:22:29.680 --> 00:22:35.839 Well, I when I first started my fitness, I'm getting back to fitness again because that was the big thing for me. 00:22:36.160 --> 00:22:39.039 15, I'm talking years ago. 00:22:39.279 --> 00:22:40.960 I just went for a little walk. 00:22:41.200 --> 00:22:41.599 Yeah. 00:22:41.839 --> 00:22:45.759 And I just basically started just walking around my own complex. 00:22:45.920 --> 00:22:50.559 I didn't even go into depth of gyms and high rocks. 00:22:50.799 --> 00:22:54.640 I mean, there was no such thing as hierox around when I wish, you know. 00:22:54.880 --> 00:22:56.400 But I just did walks. 00:22:56.640 --> 00:22:58.160 I'd do a beach walk. 00:22:58.400 --> 00:23:02.960 I would go along

the beach, I would walk, put my feet in the sand and the water. 00:23:03.119 --> 00:23:04.960 Um, I would ground myself. 00:23:05.039 --> 00:23:06.160 That's what I would do. 00:23:06.319 --> 00:23:16.319 And then when I got to a point where if I wanted more, that's when I stepped up and went, oh, hang on a minute, I can do that a little bit more now. 00:23:16.720 --> 00:23:18.559 I can go out of my complex. 00:23:18.880 --> 00:23:21.119 I can go for a little run. 00:23:21.359 --> 00:23:22.079 You know what I mean? 00:23:22.240 --> 00:23:24.000 Like I want to do those things. 00:23:24.240 --> 00:23:24.559 Yeah. 00:23:25.039 --> 00:23:26.319 And that's what I did. 00:23:26.799 --> 00:23:39.599 So the best way to start off is if you say, I can't do that or I can't do that, you can do anything as long as it's in your what like what you feel comfortable with. 00:23:39.680 --> 00:23:45.359 So it's whether it's walking, whether it's yoga, whether it's Pilates, whether it's something. 00:23:46.640 --> 00:23:48.400 Moving is so important. 00:23:48.960 --> 00:23:49.039 Yeah. 00:23:49.200 --> 00:23:50.960 And I'm a big believer in that. 00:23:51.200 --> 00:23:53.279 And that has helped me so much. 00:23:53.599 --> 00:23:57.200 And then I wanted to achieve more by coming out of my comfort zone even more. 00:23:57.599 --> 00:23:57.920 Yeah. 00:23:58.480 --> 00:23:59.680 So I love that. 00:23:59.759 --> 00:24:02.480 And it it is like just start somewhere. 00:24:02.640 --> 00:24:04.640 Like it doesn't start somewhere with something. 00:24:05.039 --> 00:24:08.240 It doesn't have to be the big, you know, the B thing. 00:24:08.400 --> 00:24:10.559 But as long as it's moving, yeah. 00:24:10.720 --> 00:24:15.119 It does it doesn't matter if it's like a kilometer, you know, it's something. 00:24:15.279 --> 00:24:15.599 Yeah. 00:24:15.680 --> 00:24:16.000 Yeah. 00:24:16.160 --> 00:24:17.119 So great. 00:24:17.359 --> 00:24:19.039 Go with a friend, have a coffee. 00:24:19.519 --> 00:24:19.839 You know? 00:24:20.079 --> 00:24:21.359 Yeah, yeah, definitely. 00:24:21.599 --> 00:24:24.960 And then moving into this is me making a big jump, so I apologize. 00:24:25.119 --> 00:24:25.519 No, you're right. 00:24:25.680 --> 00:24:25.759 No. 00:24:26.319 --> 00:24:27.519 The modeling side of it. 00:24:27.680 --> 00:24:36.160 So you're talking about that you got to a point where that was then around giving you some confidence, or you know, the next step. 00:24:36.400 --> 00:24:44.079 Was it something that you set out to be like, I'm gonna do modeling, or was it something that you were like, I need something to get me out of my comfort zone? 00:24:44.240 --> 00:24:45.759 Modeling is something that's gonna do that. 00:24:45.920 --> 00:24:46.079 Yes. 00:24:46.319 --> 00:24:50.880 Well, I love I love, I was always very shy in front of the camera. 00:24:51.119 --> 00:24:52.000 Always. 00:24:52.640 --> 00:24:59.680 So, even as a young child, so I wanted to bring that out as incompetence, which is what I wanted to do. 00:24:59.839 --> 00:25:01.119 I didn't know how to do it. 00:25:01.599 --> 00:25:04.480 I had no idea how to to get into the industry. 00:25:04.559 --> 00:25:05.440 I had no idea. 00:25:05.519 --> 00:25:05.839 Yeah. 00:25:06.160 --> 00:25:15.519 So I looked on the computer, and that's when I started Miss Fit Bikini back in 2021, which is basically to bring my confidence out and to show women. 00:25:15.680 --> 00:25:19.279 And then I went into Queensland Art Festival, which is amazing. 00:25:19.359 --> 00:25:27.519 I've met some amazing women, amazing photographers, amazing girls, amazing other women my age. 00:25:27.680 --> 00:25:31.039 It's just been an uphill back, uphill from there. 00:25:31.200 --> 00:25:36.559 So I I can tell you now, the first time I walked out on the stage, I was a nervous wreck. 00:25:36.720 --> 00:25:37.119 Yeah. 00:25:37.440 --> 00:25:38.880 Absolute nervous wreck. 00:25:39.039 --> 00:25:40.400 I couldn't even swallow. 00:25:40.559 --> 00:25:41.920 I felt dry in the mouth. 00:25:42.079 --> 00:25:44.160 I didn't know where to look. 00:25:44.319 --> 00:25:49.920 I was that quick off the runway just to get off it because I wanted just to get off, you know. 00:25:50.240 --> 00:25:57.440 And as I've gotten on, I've just improved so much and thought, you know, this is what I want to do. 00:25:57.680 --> 00:26:01.279 And I love there's all different types of modelling. 00:26:01.359 --> 00:26:06.640 So there's editorial, you've got your, you know, your runway, you've got your, you know, just photography. 00:26:06.720 --> 00:26:09.839 I've done a lot of fitness shoots with Tarali Collective. 00:26:10.000 --> 00:26:10.799 She's amazing. 00:26:10.960 --> 00:26:13.119 Her active wear is brilliant. 00:26:13.279 --> 00:26:19.680 Uh, she's located on the Gold Coast as well, but she's online, so she is something to look at as well. 00:26:19.920 --> 00:26:23.359 And yeah, so I've been doing a lot of photo shoots with her. 00:26:23.599 --> 00:26:33.519 I did do previous shoots with VK ActiveWare, another one that I have worked with that gave me a start in the modelling as well. 00:26:33.759 --> 00:26:44.720 So there's been a lot of like TFP shoot, a lot of confidence building, and then now I'm, you know, ready for next year to go further. 00:26:44.880 --> 00:26:46.240 So I love that. 00:26:46.400 --> 00:26:47.039 I love that. 00:26:47.200 --> 00:27:03.519 So if if there's someone at home listening to this now in their 50s who, let's say, let's be very stereotypical here, in their 50s, worked their career their whole time, mum, wife, partner, always giving to everyone else. 00:27:03.680 --> 00:27:07.359 Now in their 50s, being like, I can't do these things, modeling. 00:27:07.440 --> 00:27:08.640 Oh my god, that's great. 00:27:08.880 --> 00:27:10.000 Where would they start? 00:27:10.160 --> 00:27:11.759 What what might be for them? 00:27:12.000 --> 00:27:16.240 Um the best thing is I would go

and get onto Gold Coast models. 00:27:16.559 --> 00:27:25.200 You've got a lot, I mean, whether you're on the Gold Coast or whether you're in another state, I'm sure there is a lot of places that you can go on. 00:27:25.440 --> 00:27:33.920 We've got Gold Coast models being based in the Gold Coast, yeah, and do and put out for TFP shoots, which is basically where you collaborate. 00:27:34.160 --> 00:27:34.400 Sure. 00:27:34.559 --> 00:27:44.640 And you have that time where you have that one-on-one with your photographer, and you basically can just, you know, work out your little confidence, see where you are. 00:27:44.799 --> 00:27:55.759 And there's also a thing where, like Queensland Art Festival, what we've got up here, I'm sure there is in different states, there's probably got different organisations that you can go to. 00:27:55.920 --> 00:27:57.119 And that's what I would do. 00:27:57.279 --> 00:27:59.680 Yeah, yeah, some real practical things there. 00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:01.119 Practical things, yeah. 00:28:01.200 --> 00:28:01.440 Yeah. 00:28:01.680 --> 00:28:03.039 I was just sort of reflecting. 00:28:03.119 --> 00:28:09.920 I've obviously never done any modelling, yeah, but have done a couple of branding photo shoots with for finding your wild potential. 00:28:10.240 --> 00:28:20.480 And interesting how like the photographer I use, Stepha, shout out to Stepha Stock, amazing, but she's so good at making you feel really comfortable in front of the temple as well. 00:28:20.720 --> 00:28:20.960 Yes. 00:28:21.200 --> 00:28:42.240 And for me, like the importance of that, and to just sort of have fun with it instead of if I find as soon as I get in my head, which is probably a bit different for modeling because they might be looking for certain shots, but as soon as I get into my head of like, you know, this is the shot that I need for the website or for this, um, and I sort of lose the funness of it as well. 00:28:42.319 --> 00:28:48.799 And then like that's when I stiffen up or don't feel great and get into But a lot of us, a lot of us do stiffen up. 00:28:48.880 --> 00:28:52.720 Like I always, because I don't see what they see behind the camera. 00:28:53.279 --> 00:28:58.880 So I mean, I I just sit there and I'm thinking, um, is my my chin up or is everything okay? 00:28:59.119 --> 00:29:00.160 Just correct me. 00:29:00.400 --> 00:29:03.279 You know, like I'm always communicating. 00:29:03.519 --> 00:29:03.839 Yeah. 00:29:04.640 --> 00:29:07.759 So basically that's something that I find. 00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:10.880 And building a connection is so important with the photographer. 00:29:10.960 --> 00:29:11.599 Do you know what I mean? 00:29:11.680 --> 00:29:13.759 As well, like just building that little connection. 00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:16.880 But um, yeah, no, I've done some brands as well. 00:29:16.960 --> 00:29:20.160 Like I've done Star Body Swim, Rebecca Pass Amazing. 00:29:20.240 --> 00:29:25.200 You know, I've done, as I said, V Captive Wear, I've done Curly Collective, Plavati. 00:29:25.440 --> 00:29:27.680 I've worked with Plavati, uh, she's amazing. 00:29:27.759 --> 00:29:36.640 So there are so many, so many people that that I have, you know, and there's more that been working with my way up for a little while now. 00:29:36.799 --> 00:29:42.079 They're more protein, protein, uh gut health, amazing. 00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:43.920 So I've got a code for them. 00:29:44.079 --> 00:29:45.279 And they are brilliant. 00:29:45.440 --> 00:29:47.039 I've never felt better on their products. 00:29:47.279 --> 00:29:47.759 Oh good. 00:29:48.400 --> 00:29:48.880 That's good. 00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:49.680 That's good. 00:29:49.839 --> 00:29:50.079 Yeah. 00:29:50.319 --> 00:29:53.279 So I guess what's what's next for for Jackie? 00:29:53.359 --> 00:30:00.400 Like in terms of 56 thriving, you said you've never felt better, you've never felt stronger, you've never felt fitter. 00:30:00.799 --> 00:30:04.319 We know we've got the project coming next year, so to watch that space. 00:30:04.400 --> 00:30:07.759 But I guess for you personally, like, what's next do you think? 00:30:08.000 --> 00:30:16.319 Okay, well, what I want to do apart from the project is to I haven't fully achieved my competence, but I'm getting there. 00:30:16.960 --> 00:30:19.440 Oh gosh, that's a good question. 00:30:19.920 --> 00:30:20.880 Very good question. 00:30:21.039 --> 00:30:22.880 I'm competing in Hyrux again. 00:30:23.039 --> 00:30:23.680 Okay, yeah. 00:30:23.839 --> 00:30:26.640 Okay, that's Brisbane Coming 2027. 00:30:27.200 --> 00:30:28.400 I want to travel. 00:30:28.640 --> 00:30:29.279 Yeah. 00:30:29.759 --> 00:30:33.119 I want to do more modeling. 00:30:33.200 --> 00:30:35.119 Um, I want to do more runways. 00:30:35.440 --> 00:30:35.920 Great. 00:30:36.079 --> 00:30:42.880 And I want to basically try and get on some more podcasts and talk about this journey. 00:30:43.039 --> 00:30:43.440 Yeah. 00:30:43.680 --> 00:30:47.599 And to spread the word, and that's what I'd like to do. 00:30:47.759 --> 00:30:51.279 So my goal for next year is to bring more women together. 00:30:51.519 --> 00:30:52.240 Beautiful. 00:30:52.480 --> 00:30:53.200 I love that. 00:30:53.279 --> 00:30:54.079 That's so nice. 00:30:54.240 --> 00:30:56.240 So I guess I'm just writing notes. 00:30:56.400 --> 00:31:01.680 So a bit of like shout-outs to if anyone's listening and instead of a model, reach out. 00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:02.799 Oh, thank you. 00:31:03.200 --> 00:31:06.559 And and and reach out to Jackie and and have that conversation. 00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:12.640 Like, I think you know, it's you never know if you don't ask or if you don't put your stuff out there. 00:31:12.799 --> 00:31:13.599 Like you never know. 00:31:13.680 --> 00:31:26.000 And like at the end of the day, if someone says no or not now, like we know that's it's just very hard with modelling because you some people love the 170 and over, and I'm 165.

00:31:26.319 --> 00:31:30.400 So when you're walking on the runway, if I'm not 170, it's very difficult. 00:31:30.559 --> 00:31:30.880 Right. 00:31:31.119 --> 00:31:33.920 But to me, I will never give up though. 00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:37.119 Um so in terms of that's obviously you're talking about height there. 00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:38.079 Height, yes. 00:31:38.400 --> 00:31:38.559 Yeah. 00:31:38.720 --> 00:31:39.039 Yeah. 00:31:39.279 --> 00:31:48.640 So with the runways, there's uh a few people that still like the 170 and above for women, and I and I don't fit that criteria. 00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:51.839 So I just don't get upset over that, I just keep going. 00:31:52.240 --> 00:31:57.119 And I work and I work around pe like people that are around the 165, did that make sense? 00:31:57.359 --> 00:31:57.839 The building. 00:31:58.160 --> 00:31:58.480 Yeah, yeah. 00:31:58.559 --> 00:31:59.119 Yeah, yeah. 00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:08.079 So that's an interesting point in in terms of if I pull everything together that you're talking about, uh, and this is from from my perspective of um absolutely. 00:32:08.240 --> 00:32:14.079 I think modelling is the like you have to have so much confidence to be able to do that. 00:32:14.240 --> 00:32:14.640 Yes. 00:32:14.880 --> 00:32:31.599 But as an outsider, not in the industry, historically has been an industry that probably doesn't necessarily always encourage confidence as well, because you do have to look a certain way or be a certain height or but I guess I would like to think that as a society we are shifting that. 00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:32.960 Absolutely we are. 00:32:33.119 --> 00:32:39.119 And it's coming very, you know, every time, you know, there's things changing and and things happening. 00:32:39.279 --> 00:32:43.680 And, you know, the people that I've met in the industry are absolutely amazing. 00:32:43.839 --> 00:32:47.920 So, you know, I just know where where I can apply and where I can't apply. 00:32:48.079 --> 00:32:49.920 And um, and I just go with that. 00:32:50.160 --> 00:32:55.759 And, you know, yeah, I'm I I just feel that that's where I'm gonna be working a lot next year. 00:32:55.839 --> 00:32:58.720 I'm going to get myself out there more next year. 00:32:58.880 --> 00:33:05.440 I sort of hid a little bit behind because I wanted to make sure that my confidence was there, fully there. 00:33:05.599 --> 00:33:08.799 And it's pretty much over halfway now, so I'm I'm doing really well. 00:33:09.119 --> 00:33:09.680 Yeah, amazing. 00:33:09.839 --> 00:33:17.279 And I think like again, making an assumption here, so I apologize, but uh there's often an element of self-protection there, isn't there? 00:33:17.519 --> 00:33:18.400 Yeah, absolutely. 00:33:18.559 --> 00:33:20.240 100% no, yeah, you've made it. 00:33:20.319 --> 00:33:22.400 Yeah, uh it's uh it's a protection. 00:33:22.880 --> 00:33:33.680 And you know, being in the situation that I was from a young child to always have negativity has been a big thing for me. 00:33:34.079 --> 00:33:42.559 So I've had to really work on that to because it's a hard industry and it's it's like you have to basically have tough skin. 00:33:42.960 --> 00:33:46.559 So I've had to like and I'm doing really well now. 00:33:46.799 --> 00:33:48.960 So really, really proud of myself. 00:33:49.039 --> 00:33:49.279 Yeah. 00:33:49.519 --> 00:33:52.400 Yeah, absolutely, as you should be, as you should be. 00:33:52.640 --> 00:33:57.200 And and like that, knowing that it's a journey and that you're on it though, you're doing it. 00:33:57.279 --> 00:33:59.039 Like, I think that's that's very special. 00:33:59.279 --> 00:34:04.559 And especially at 56, like it, you know, like you're not young, but you're not old. 00:34:04.720 --> 00:34:05.759 Do you understand what I'm saying? 00:34:05.920 --> 00:34:07.759 You're sort of that in between. 00:34:08.079 --> 00:34:13.440 And I always get, you know, but you you're old, and I'm like, no, I'm not. 00:34:13.599 --> 00:34:15.280 You're as old as how you feel, you know. 00:34:15.920 --> 00:34:16.159 Good. 00:34:16.400 --> 00:34:16.800 Love that. 00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:17.760 So yeah. 00:34:17.920 --> 00:34:18.239 Yeah. 00:34:18.800 --> 00:34:20.320 I think that's that's really special. 00:34:20.480 --> 00:34:28.559 And I think a really powerful point to sort of get home is that at any age, if you want to make a shot of something, give it a shit. 00:34:28.719 --> 00:34:29.280 You can do it. 00:34:29.440 --> 00:34:30.559 Absolutely do it. 00:34:30.719 --> 00:34:31.519 A hundred percent. 00:34:31.679 --> 00:34:32.400 That's the answer. 00:34:32.559 --> 00:34:35.360 If you wanna, if you want to have a shot, go for it. 00:34:35.519 --> 00:34:35.840 Yeah. 00:34:36.079 --> 00:34:37.760 Nothing should stand in your way. 00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:38.400 Hmm. 00:34:38.639 --> 00:34:39.199 Love that. 00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:39.840 Love that. 00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:43.199 Jackie, was there anything else that you wanted to to share at all? 00:34:43.440 --> 00:34:44.960 Yeah, I think we've covered a lot. 00:34:45.199 --> 00:34:46.079 Great, fabulous. 00:34:46.239 --> 00:34:47.679 All right, thank you so much, Jackie. 00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:53.280 Like, this has been a fabulous conversation, and I think so inspiring for for people of all ages. 00:34:53.360 --> 00:35:06.159 I as you said, like you're there to encourage and inspire the women in their 50s, but I think also showing people that are women that are younger and what your 50s can be and not to to dread an age. 00:35:06.239 --> 00:35:13.360 And I I am definitely someone that thinks age is a privilege, and I'm still saying that, so hopefully I continue to say that with every year that comes. 00:35:13.519 --> 00:35:15.280 Touch wood, there's many more years ahead. 00:35:15.519 --> 00:35:18.400 Jackie, how can people connect with you if they choose? 00:35:18.480 --> 00:35:25.360 Or to Yes, I've got an Instagram account, Jack Matt70, and I would love more followers, so that would be amazing. 00:35:25.440 --> 00:35:27.199 Um, and to watch my journey. 00:35:27.440 --> 00:35:36.639 So if anyone wants to follow me and ask me any questions or feel that they need, you know, just any reassurance, always open. 00:35:36.800 --> 00:35:38.079 Beautiful, beautiful. 00:35:38.239 --> 00:35:42.400 We'll put all those details in the the show notes as well so people can connect. 00:35:42.639 --> 00:35:44.320 Okay, thank you so much, Jackie. 00:35:44.559 --> 00:35:45.440 Thank you for being here. 00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:46.800 We'll chat soon. 00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:48.480 Okay, thank you. 00:35:48.960 --> 00:35:51.119 Thank you for listening to today's episode. 00:35:51.280 --> 00:35:59.119 We hope that this episode has sparked something in you and encourages you to take that next step in continuing to live your own wild potential. 00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:03.920 If you feel so, please connect with us on social media at FindingYour Wild Potential. 00:36:04.079 --> 00:36:11.119 And share some love by sharing this episode around to your loved ones and leaving us a review on your chosen podcast app. 00:36:12.079 --> 00:36:24.559 If this episode has brought anything up for you, please reach out for support through your regular GP, your local mental health service, or by calling Lifeline on 131114.