النص الكامل لحلقة Pendleton Quadruple Murders: Amy Vilardi’s Daughter Savannah Breaks Her Silence

talk, but she's not copying 78 00:04:11.169 --> 00:04:12.949 what we say or anything. Okay. 79 00:04:13.750 --> 00:04:14.490 Oh, she will. 80 00:04:14.509 --> 00:04:18.399 Yeah, she will. Eventually. We've got to watch our mouths eventually. 81 00:04:19.540 --> 00:04:21.420 Listen, when my daughter was three years old, we were 82 00:04:21.439 --> 00:04:23.620 at my mom and dad's, and my dad was a preacher. 83 00:04:24.279 --> 00:04:27.839 And Missy did something, and she said, sit. And my 84 00:04:27.899 --> 00:04:31.329 daddy looked at me. He said, monkey see, monkey do. 85 00:04:31.350 --> 00:04:35.389 I was like, daddy, sit. Shit is my byword. I 86 00:04:35.389 --> 00:04:38.189 do not know what to tell you. I stomp my toe. 87 00:04:38.329 --> 00:04:42.740 I say shit. I hit my hand. I say shit. 88 00:04:42.759 --> 00:04:44.300 The child hears me say shit a lot. 89 00:04:45.139 --> 00:04:47.680 Don't worry. We are not synced around here, but we 90 00:04:47.720 --> 00:04:50.379 definitely try to keep it around PG-13. 91 00:04:52.750 --> 00:04:55.449 Well, we're so glad that you're joining us. I just 92 00:04:55.509 --> 00:04:57.910 wanted to kind of open the segment up with what 93 00:04:58.009 --> 00:05:01.490 has happened recently. This week, because it is a total 94 00:05:01.529 --> 00:05:05.170 bombshell and it's not good for us, not for the 95 00:05:05.189 --> 00:05:06.589 people that are on the sides. 96 00:05:06.389 --> 00:05:07.050 Of the victims. 97 00:05:07.449 --> 00:05:10.490 So just to catch everyone up, if you've not listened 98 00:05:10.509 --> 00:05:13.019 to our previous episode, we did go through the whole 99 00:05:13.079 --> 00:05:19.560 timeline of the quadruple murders of Savannah's grandparents, great-grandma and 100 00:05:19.620 --> 00:05:20.939 her step-great-grandma. 101 00:05:21.430 --> 00:05:22.029 And we did. 102 00:05:21.949 --> 00:05:25.470 Play a pretty large piece about what Savannah had come 103 00:05:25.529 --> 00:05:26.189 out and talked about. 104 00:05:26.230 --> 00:05:27.310 And we'll probably. 105 00:05:27.350 --> 00:05:30.589 Discuss that on this episode as well, because we are 106 00:05:30.610 --> 00:05:33.079 really here to hear Savannah's side of the story because 107 00:05:33.139 --> 00:05:35.699 she's lived it and she knows it and she knows 108 00:05:35.759 --> 00:05:38.360 these people. And we want to get the inside information 109 00:05:38.399 --> 00:05:42.500 from Savannah. But before we get started, in 2015, her 110 00:05:42.600 --> 00:05:46.569 family members were brutally murdered in Anderson County, South Carolina. 111 00:05:47.180 --> 00:05:50.339 Earlier this year, her mother, Amy, was convicted on all 112 00:05:50.399 --> 00:05:56.060 four murders and sentenced to four life sentences. Amy's husband, Ross, 113 00:05:56.120 --> 00:05:59.269 which was Savannah's stepdad, was scheduled to stand trial on 114 00:05:59.370 --> 00:06:01.689 August 12th of this year, which was just a couple 115 00:06:01.730 --> 00:06:05.110 days ago. And just days before the trial, a judge 116 00:06:05.290 --> 00:06:09.120 excluded major evidence prosecutors intended to use against him. 117 00:06:09.709 --> 00:06:12.420 His trial was postponed, prosecutors filed. 118 00:06:12.139 --> 00:06:16.399 An appeal, and Ross's attorney are requesting bond for him 119 00:06:16.439 --> 00:06:20.019 to get out of jail. Today, as of October 15th, 120 00:06:20.120 --> 00:06:23.600 Ross was scheduled for another bond hearing. Meanwhile, Amy is 121 00:06:23.639 --> 00:06:29.850 appealing her own conviction, raising the possibility of another trial. Tonight, Savannah, 122 00:06:30.050 --> 00:06:33.209 Amy's daughter, joins us to discuss these developments and share 123 00:06:33.269 --> 00:06:37.230 her personal story, including serious allegations of sexual abuse she 124 00:06:37.269 --> 00:06:42.029 has made against Ross. So the bombshell evidence, let's just 125 00:06:42.050 --> 00:06:46.149 get into that. On October 9th, the defense challenged search 126 00:06:46.209 --> 00:06:49.029 warrants used to search the single wide mobile home where 127 00:06:49.089 --> 00:06:52.509 Ross and Amy lived. The four murder victims were discovered 128 00:06:52.560 --> 00:06:55.680 in a separate double wide residence on the same property. 129 00:06:56.180 --> 00:07:00.720 And Judge Murrell ruled that investigators lacked sufficient probable cause 130 00:07:00.879 --> 00:07:04.750 for the challenge search because they lived in two different residences. 131 00:07:04.949 --> 00:07:08.110 That's why he's trying to throw out the evidence. Because 132 00:07:08.290 --> 00:07:13.029 there were four bodies found in Savannah's grandparents' mobile home. 133 00:07:13.050 --> 00:07:16.629 Does it give them right or warrant to search Amy 134 00:07:16.750 --> 00:07:19.430 and Ross's mobile home is what the judge is saying 135 00:07:19.490 --> 00:07:23.029 and why they're trying to throw out this evidence. This evidence, 136 00:07:23.089 --> 00:07:27.930 in my mind, is crucial for this case to go forward. Also, 137 00:07:27.990 --> 00:07:30.250 they had approximately $ 68, 000 in cash in Ross and Amy's 138 00:07:30.290 --> 00:07:36.970 trailer that was was discovered while they were doing the 139 00:07:37.009 --> 00:07:40.509 search on their property. But what's crucial about this is 140 00:07:40.569 --> 00:07:45.279 the serial numbers from the cash from Savannah's grandfather. It's 141 00:07:45.879 --> 00:07:48.620 the same serial numbers as what they found in Ross's 142 00:07:48.740 --> 00:07:52.079 mobile home. And this is crucial evidence as well because 143 00:07:52.120 --> 00:07:55.600 it shows it came from Savannah's grandfather's house and it 144 00:07:55.639 --> 00:07:59.230 was his money and they had the money in their house. 145 00:08:00.079 --> 00:08:03.519 Another thing is the text messages between Amy and Ross 146 00:08:03.699 --> 00:08:07.079 about their financial struggles and

their issues during the time 147 00:08:07.490 --> 00:08:10.410 that they didn't have money to pay certain bills. And 148 00:08:10.430 --> 00:08:13.389 then all of a sudden they show up with $ 68, 000 149 00:08:13.110 --> 00:08:16.870 cash kind of shows the motive of why they wanted 150 00:08:16.930 --> 00:08:20.720 to murder Savannah's family. And then the last thing that 151 00:08:20.740 --> 00:08:22.920 they're trying to throw out, which is a major piece 152 00:08:22.959 --> 00:08:26.439 of evidence, in my opinion, is Ross's shoes. Ross says, 153 00:08:26.879 --> 00:08:30.300 was shown wearing, I think they were A6 tennis shoes. 154 00:08:31.100 --> 00:08:36.210 There were blood patterns inside of Savannah's grandparents' house that 155 00:08:36.379 --> 00:08:40.870 matched his sneakers. Later, there was video evidence at a, 156 00:08:41.009 --> 00:08:42.350 I guess it was like a hot spot or a 157 00:08:42.409 --> 00:08:46.149 quick trip or some kind of convenience store where he 158 00:08:46.210 --> 00:08:48.529 was shown going in and buying beer and he had 159 00:08:48.570 --> 00:08:51.049 those same shoes on. And now they're trying to throw 160 00:08:51.190 --> 00:08:55.039 that evidence out. So those are four major pieces of 161 00:08:55.059 --> 00:08:59.759 the case that's really holding this whole thing together. Without that, 162 00:09:00.179 --> 00:09:03.309 it really frightens me that they might not get a 163 00:09:03.350 --> 00:09:08.889 conviction and may even overturn Amy's conviction. With that being said, 164 00:09:08.909 --> 00:09:13.820 you know, we wanted to talk to Savannah and get 165 00:09:13.879 --> 00:09:17.480 her perspective of what she thinks is happening as far 166 00:09:17.539 --> 00:09:21.559 as what happened today. Welcome to the show, Savannah. Thank 167 00:09:21.580 --> 00:09:23.899 you again for joining us. Do you want to just 168 00:09:23.960 --> 00:09:25.299 tell us a little bit about yourself? 169 00:09:26.019 --> 00:09:26.700 Yeah, yeah. 170 00:09:26.779 --> 00:09:27.200 Hi. 171 00:09:27.379 --> 00:09:31.289 Hello, everybody. My name is Savannah. Savannah Hillary now, not 172 00:09:31.309 --> 00:09:35.830 Savannah Thomas. I recently just got married. This is my daughter. 173 00:09:35.850 --> 00:09:39.070 Her name is Ina, and I just had my second 174 00:09:39.090 --> 00:09:43.240 daughter July 11th of this year. So three months. 175 00:09:43.250 --> 00:09:45.220 Congratulations on all of the above. 176 00:09:45.700 --> 00:09:50.440 Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, I just recently got married. 177 00:09:50.460 --> 00:09:55.299 I believe I have found the love of my life. 178 00:09:55.950 --> 00:10:00.049 And he's a big protector. And he definitely does not like... 179 00:10:00.289 --> 00:10:06.919 that there is a possibility of Ross getting on bond. 180 00:10:07.139 --> 00:10:07.779 He does not. 181 00:10:07.720 --> 00:10:12.240 Like that whatsoever. I don't think anybody is down with that. Nobody. 182 00:10:12.320 --> 00:10:15.200 Did they toss anything out this week? I had heard 183 00:10:15.240 --> 00:10:19.419 that they tossed the trailer out, the single wine. 184 00:10:20.480 --> 00:10:25.470 So the warrant that they had, it was only for 185 00:10:25.509 --> 00:10:31.070 the 2217, which was the double wad. The single wad 186 00:10:31.110 --> 00:10:34.210 was the 2219, and they didn't have a search warrant 187 00:10:34.250 --> 00:10:38.700 for that. But they searched all of the trailers on 188 00:10:38.759 --> 00:10:44.059 the property, which I guess that is the only thing 189 00:10:44.120 --> 00:10:47.360 that Ross's attorney kind of has over us right now. 190 00:10:47.870 --> 00:10:52.100 is because there wasn't a search warrant for 2219. It 191 00:10:52.509 --> 00:10:57.399 was only for 2217. And even though it was still 192 00:10:57.419 --> 00:11:00.519 on the same property, they didn't have a search warrant 193 00:11:00.559 --> 00:11:02.139 for 2219. 194 00:11:02.139 --> 00:11:04.470 So they threw that evidence out. 195 00:11:05.139 --> 00:11:05.409 Yeah. 196 00:11:05.850 --> 00:11:08.909 And the shoes? The shoes... Did they throw that out? 197 00:11:09.730 --> 00:11:12.009 I believe that they threw that out. 198 00:11:13.929 --> 00:11:16.330 Now, I'm not sure about the footage, but I know 199 00:11:16.389 --> 00:11:20.899 that any circumstantial evidence, they basically threw out most of it. 200 00:11:21.509 --> 00:11:26.590 And my mom, she has already appealed. She has already 201 00:11:26.610 --> 00:11:30.970 appealed since she has been sentenced. So that's how I 202 00:11:31.009 --> 00:11:37.169 know that her and Ross have something planned. They know 203 00:11:37.240 --> 00:11:39.500 the system. They know what they're doing. So I know 204 00:11:39.529 --> 00:11:44.139 that they know their ways into it. Sure. They are 205 00:11:44.200 --> 00:11:48.639 very smart. They are smart, but they are smart for 206 00:11:48.659 --> 00:11:49.710 the wrong reasons. 207 00:11:49.899 --> 00:11:55.309 So let me say this. Whenever they got the phone records, 208 00:11:55.370 --> 00:11:58.610 when the law got the phone records, that is via 209 00:11:58.710 --> 00:12:01.169 a warrant and a judge has to sign off on it. 210 00:12:01.929 --> 00:12:05.929 That is not, in my opinion, circumstantial. That is factual. 211 00:12:05.950 --> 00:12:09.669 This is conversations about we're broke. Even though you might 212 00:12:09.700 --> 00:12:14.720 not have the evidence of, the money in the safe 213 00:12:14.799 --> 00:12:17.250 and the money in the safe and the pictures from 214 00:12:17.750 --> 00:12:23.809 both locations, you still have broke ass people paying a 215 00:12:24.250 --> 00:12:25.649 big money out. 216 00:12:26.289 --> 00:12:26.570 Right. 217 00:12:26.629 --> 00:12:30.269 So I think that's factual. Exactly. 218 00:12:30.309 --> 00:12:34.440 Just weeks before they weren't able to pay these off. 219 00:12:34.519 --> 00:12:39.200 So how come just, just so

happens they have the money. 220 00:12:39.240 --> 00:12:40.580 How is that even possible? 221 00:12:40.600 --> 00:12:40.720 Yeah. 222 00:12:42.080 --> 00:12:48.299 I think that getting convictions is based on facts and evidence. 223 00:12:48.799 --> 00:12:52.299 Even though you don't get to admit the evidence of 224 00:12:52.519 --> 00:13:01.049 the actual money, the other facts are presented in the messages, 225 00:13:01.250 --> 00:13:05.870 in the receipts. That man that was the landlord of 226 00:13:05.970 --> 00:13:11.509 the grooming shop, he... was meticulous in his documentation. So 227 00:13:11.610 --> 00:13:15.049 there are still facts on the table. I'm not totally 228 00:13:15.090 --> 00:13:19.389 disheartened about it because I've been in contact with Pam 229 00:13:19.409 --> 00:13:23.909 for many years and we've always said God is bigger 230 00:13:23.990 --> 00:13:27.169 than the evil that is sent to destroy us. And 231 00:13:28.620 --> 00:13:32.539 I absolutely feel like there are still very substantial facts 232 00:13:32.580 --> 00:13:33.120 on the table. 233 00:13:33.740 --> 00:13:38.440 Yes. There's some things like even though When I was 234 00:13:38.519 --> 00:13:41.220 nine years old, I remember some parts, but there are 235 00:13:41.259 --> 00:13:45.899 some parts that I don't remember. And what I can 236 00:13:45.960 --> 00:13:49.549 tell you from my personal standpoint of how they both are, 237 00:13:49.570 --> 00:13:53.350 I definitely can tell you that they are both capable 238 00:13:54.049 --> 00:13:58.549 of doing this crime. They both are willing to do 239 00:13:58.590 --> 00:14:03.320 this crime. I know both of them personally, and it 240 00:14:03.360 --> 00:14:05.679 doesn't bring any doubt in my mind that they are 241 00:14:05.779 --> 00:14:10.299 both guilty. So I feel as since my mom's already 242 00:14:10.320 --> 00:14:14.460 been convicted, they definitely have to convict Ross because I 243 00:14:14.500 --> 00:14:16.679 feel like they just have way more evidence on Ross 244 00:14:16.720 --> 00:14:19.230 than they do my mom. They have way more. 245 00:14:19.429 --> 00:14:19.769 Yeah. 246 00:14:20.090 --> 00:14:20.210 Yeah. 247 00:14:20.309 --> 00:14:22.269 I agree with that. It does feel like they do 248 00:14:22.330 --> 00:14:23.389 have way more evidence. 249 00:14:23.450 --> 00:14:26.870 But does it worry you that they might, if they 250 00:14:26.950 --> 00:14:30.389 are throwing all this evidence out and Ross gets away 251 00:14:30.429 --> 00:14:33.029 with it and then they overturn your mom's conviction? 252 00:14:33.049 --> 00:14:36.539 I've thought about that. I've, I've been in deep thought 253 00:14:36.600 --> 00:14:41.899 about that, and that's how I know they planned this. 254 00:14:42.059 --> 00:14:44.740 Because how did my mom already know how to appeal 255 00:14:44.799 --> 00:14:47.679 to this before we even knew what was going to 256 00:14:47.720 --> 00:14:52.500 happen in this bond hearing? So we don't know what's 257 00:14:52.539 --> 00:14:54.990 going to happen, but most people are leaning towards he 258 00:14:55.019 --> 00:14:58.210 might be getting the bond that he wants. 259 00:14:58.889 --> 00:15:01.269 But I think that filing an appeal is just a 260 00:15:01.570 --> 00:15:04.889 natural order of things once you're convicted. 261 00:15:06.110 --> 00:15:08.769 You're going to file a court room. Yeah. 262 00:15:08.809 --> 00:15:11.809 If you want to, I'm sure before the ink was dry, 263 00:15:11.929 --> 00:15:14.639 all your Lori was getting that appeal. 264 00:15:15.740 --> 00:15:22.000 And my mother actually, she reached out to me, um, recently, recently. And, um, 265 00:15:22.519 --> 00:15:26.360 it was early September. I made an account with the 266 00:15:26.440 --> 00:15:30.450 prison messaging system because apparently the prisoners can have tablets 267 00:15:30.610 --> 00:15:32.789 on like certain times throughout the day. Like if they're 268 00:15:32.809 --> 00:15:37.289 not working and, um, So I made one and she 269 00:15:37.370 --> 00:15:40.850 used some of her credits to text me. And from 270 00:15:40.909 --> 00:15:45.649 what I see, she's not taking any accountability. She still 271 00:15:45.870 --> 00:15:49.779 feels like she's innocent, which I think that's a show. 272 00:15:49.940 --> 00:15:52.879 She's trying to put on a show so people will 273 00:15:53.740 --> 00:15:58.840 believe that Ross is innocent. And it's just the way 274 00:15:58.879 --> 00:16:01.080 my mom thinks, like you would have to sit down 275 00:16:01.120 --> 00:16:03.610 and talk to her And have a conversation with her 276 00:16:03.669 --> 00:16:05.250 to understand how she thinks. And it would have to 277 00:16:05.289 --> 00:16:08.899 be over a certain amount of years too. Because she 278 00:16:08.980 --> 00:16:12.320 changes each and every time you talk to her. She's 279 00:16:12.340 --> 00:16:17.159 a different person. She has been diagnosed with bipolar disorder. 280 00:16:17.299 --> 00:16:22.269 She's been diagnosed with narcissism. She says that my grandmother 281 00:16:22.929 --> 00:16:30.149 had narcissism. But I don't believe that whatsoever. Because... I 282 00:16:30.210 --> 00:16:33.169 feel like a narcissist wouldn't do that to a narcissist. 283 00:16:33.210 --> 00:16:36.149 I feel like my grandma wasn't a narcissist. My grandma 284 00:16:36.169 --> 00:16:40.600 was a very kind-hearted person. I remember her being cheap, 285 00:16:40.649 --> 00:16:44.059 but she hated cameras. She hated cameras. She was the 286 00:16:44.139 --> 00:16:47.419 sweetest woman, but she never liked her photo being taken. 287 00:16:47.440 --> 00:16:52.799 I remember that. She would always hide. And it breaks 288 00:16:52.850 --> 00:16:56.129 my heart to this day. I still think, even though 289 00:16:56.190 --> 00:17:01.399 I've healed a lot from my situation, It still takes me, 290 00:17:02.539 --> 00:17:05.039 especially when I'm just sitting here and I'm alone

with 291 00:17:05.420 --> 00:17:08.710 my girls and it's just us and my husband's at work. 292 00:17:09.430 --> 00:17:13.809 I'm sitting here. I'm thinking to myself, like, man, what 293 00:17:13.910 --> 00:17:16.430 if my mom didn't do this? Like, what if she 294 00:17:16.470 --> 00:17:19.450 took a different path? Because I wouldn't be where I 295 00:17:19.569 --> 00:17:22.029 am right now. I wouldn't have my girls. So I'm 296 00:17:22.049 --> 00:17:25.809 not saying that I'm grateful for everything that happened, but 297 00:17:26.450 --> 00:17:30.220 I definitely thank God for how everything played out. I 298 00:17:30.319 --> 00:17:34.220 thank God that I have my girls and my husband now. 299 00:17:34.519 --> 00:17:36.309 And even if it didn't play out like this, I 300 00:17:39.490 --> 00:17:41.650 would have loved to have my grandparents in my life 301 00:17:41.930 --> 00:17:44.329 because I know any kids I would have had, I 302 00:17:44.369 --> 00:17:47.430 know that they would have, oh my gosh, spoiled them 303 00:17:47.470 --> 00:17:52.329 with so much love. And it's so sad to me 304 00:17:52.369 --> 00:17:54.799 because I look back at the crime scene photos and 305 00:17:55.319 --> 00:17:58.380 our toys were sitting out on the coffee table. 306 00:17:58.400 --> 00:17:58.480 Yeah. 307 00:17:58.950 --> 00:18:01.769 They were out. They were ready to see us. That's 308 00:18:01.809 --> 00:18:08.109 how I know this was a planned and very calculated plan. Like, 309 00:18:08.130 --> 00:18:10.430 they had to sit down for hours talking about this. 310 00:18:10.769 --> 00:18:12.809 This wasn't like, oh, yeah, bae, let's go do this 311 00:18:12.890 --> 00:18:15.910 right here, right now. This is the perfect chance. No, 312 00:18:15.990 --> 00:18:19.230 they sat down. They were like, Halloween would be the 313 00:18:19.349 --> 00:18:23.670 best night to do this because everybody's trick-or-treating. That's the 314 00:18:23.730 --> 00:18:26.299 best night. Like, if I'm thinking like my mom thinks, 315 00:18:26.380 --> 00:18:27.319 that's how she would think. 316 00:18:27.650 --> 00:18:27.799 Mm-hmm. 317 00:18:28.119 --> 00:18:30.279 If I'm thinking how Ross thinks, that's how he'd think. 318 00:18:31.059 --> 00:18:35.740 They're very cold and calculated people. And I wish people, 319 00:18:37.029 --> 00:18:38.970 no matter what front that they put on, I wish 320 00:18:38.990 --> 00:18:42.250 people would understand that, hey, look, look at these people. Like, yes, 321 00:18:42.769 --> 00:18:45.250 like how Ted Bundy was, like how all these women 322 00:18:45.289 --> 00:18:51.319 would send him a bunch of letters. And they were 323 00:18:51.490 --> 00:18:56.359 flaunting over him, basically. That's basically how my mom and Ross... 324 00:18:56.490 --> 00:19:00.410 have this persona that they put on like, hey, we're 325 00:19:00.450 --> 00:19:05.769 not bad people. We're good people. But they're not. It's 326 00:19:05.829 --> 00:19:09.450 a persona. It's always a persona. And I've gotten that 327 00:19:09.490 --> 00:19:13.029 persona my whole life, especially when me and my mom 328 00:19:13.069 --> 00:19:15.150 went out in public. My mom would put on this persona. 329 00:19:15.730 --> 00:19:18.170 My mom behind closed doors was not the same Amy. 330 00:19:18.630 --> 00:19:22.220 She's not the same Amy. And that's why she was 331 00:19:22.259 --> 00:19:24.900 diagnosed with bipolar. And I believe Ross also has that. 332 00:19:24.980 --> 00:19:27.819 I believe both of them are narcissistic and have bipolar. 333 00:19:27.839 --> 00:19:30.240 And I think they both, once they both came together, 334 00:19:30.269 --> 00:19:33.509 they kind of just fed into each other. And it just, 335 00:19:34.990 --> 00:19:36.049 everything took a dark turn. 336 00:19:36.430 --> 00:19:38.269 Oh, my gosh. I have so many questions. 337 00:19:38.769 --> 00:19:44.630 So how was your mom different behind closed doors than 338 00:19:44.670 --> 00:19:47.029 she was in public? Just like a totally different person 339 00:19:47.089 --> 00:19:47.390 or what? 340 00:19:48.309 --> 00:19:53.180 So she... know her, and I can probably imitate her, 341 00:19:53.559 --> 00:19:56.500 especially when I get mad. When I get mad, I'm 342 00:19:56.539 --> 00:19:58.500 just like my mom, and I hate that about me. 343 00:19:59.359 --> 00:20:01.660 I hate that so much, and that's why I need 344 00:20:01.680 --> 00:20:05.240 the Lord in my life. So— I don't feed into 345 00:20:05.299 --> 00:20:07.519 those negative thoughts, those negative feelings. 346 00:20:07.579 --> 00:20:09.039 I'm glad you realize that. 347 00:20:09.579 --> 00:20:13.920 Exactly. Exactly. Some people don't have enough discernment to know, like, 348 00:20:14.559 --> 00:20:16.339 I need to get my life right. 349 00:20:16.359 --> 00:20:16.980 I need. 350 00:20:17.000 --> 00:20:18.740 And it breaks. 351 00:20:18.809 --> 00:20:22.069 Once you do, once you literally, once you in the 352 00:20:22.130 --> 00:20:26.660 moment go, okay, stop. you see it and that is 353 00:20:26.759 --> 00:20:30.519 growth and that is beautiful. I'm proud that you realize 354 00:20:30.599 --> 00:20:32.480 at a young age, I wish I would have realized 355 00:20:32.500 --> 00:20:33.960 that I was crazy as hell. 356 00:20:35.839 --> 00:20:39.640 See, and that's another thing. I think I grew up 357 00:20:39.660 --> 00:20:44.180 way too fast. And now that I'm older, I have 358 00:20:44.240 --> 00:20:48.279 childlike tendencies to me. So like, I'll be watching cartoons 359 00:20:48.299 --> 00:20:51.019 with both my babies. We'll just all three be sitting 360 00:20:51.039 --> 00:20:56.519 here watching cartoons. We, we are, I still feel my 361 00:20:56.579 --> 00:20:59.460 child side because I didn't get to have a childhood. 362 00:20:59.799 --> 00:21:03.359 After nine years old, I did not have no childhood. 363 00:21:04.099 --> 00:21:07.279 My grandparents gave me my childhood. My mother didn't. She 364

00:21:07.319 --> 00:21:12.259 took my childhood. And ever since then, my whole life, 365 00:21:12.380 --> 00:21:14.799 I've always been... I was one of those kids, I 366 00:21:14.920 --> 00:21:19.019 would listen for your footsteps. I would listen to hear 367 00:21:19.119 --> 00:21:23.160 if you're in the kitchen. I'm listening for your footsteps. 368 00:21:23.220 --> 00:21:26.029 That's how cautious... and scared I was of. 369 00:21:26.029 --> 00:21:27.069 My mom and Ross. 370 00:21:27.509 --> 00:21:28.450 Always on alert. 371 00:21:29.609 --> 00:21:31.829 How long did Ross live with you and your mom? 372 00:21:32.609 --> 00:21:36.170 So I met Ross when I was around five or 373 00:21:36.349 --> 00:21:39.859 six years old. It's either one of those ages. And 374 00:21:39.880 --> 00:21:43.359 I know my brother Brady, he was two. I know 375 00:21:43.400 --> 00:21:50.000 he was two. I know Brady now, he's turning 16 376 00:21:50.000 --> 00:21:50.900 next April. So. 377 00:21:55.259 --> 00:21:57.640 He's getting up there. He's about to turn 18, not 378 00:21:57.680 --> 00:22:03.660 too far from now. But he's lived with my... He's 379 00:22:03.680 --> 00:22:08.519 known my mom. He's known my mom, I think, since 380 00:22:08.579 --> 00:22:11.900 I was four turning five, I believe. 381 00:22:13.619 --> 00:22:16.089 So he didn't know her as well as you did. 382 00:22:17.740 --> 00:22:18.039 Right. 383 00:22:18.960 --> 00:22:19.220 Right. 384 00:22:19.779 --> 00:22:20.039 Right. 385 00:22:20.440 --> 00:22:26.019 So I knew my grandparents... And I knew Ross way 386 00:22:26.039 --> 00:22:28.619 more than Brady did because Brady was like just born. 387 00:22:28.720 --> 00:22:34.660 He was a baby, baby. I still remember him. Brady 388 00:22:34.700 --> 00:22:41.500 was such a cute little boy with those big old ears. 389 00:22:43.119 --> 00:22:48.470 Not to get off topic, but I remember when I 390 00:22:48.490 --> 00:22:50.170 was younger, I was so mean to my brother. I 391 00:22:50.549 --> 00:22:53.509 was so mean to him. And I fully believe that 392 00:22:53.529 --> 00:22:58.269 was because Ross and my mom, they were so mean 393 00:22:58.289 --> 00:22:59.970 to us that I felt like I had to take 394 00:23:00.009 --> 00:23:03.349 my anger out on my brother. And I realized that's 395 00:23:03.470 --> 00:23:05.910 messed up. That is so messed up of me. Why 396 00:23:05.930 --> 00:23:08.509 would I do that to my little brother? And my 397 00:23:08.549 --> 00:23:12.869 little brother, he would show signs that he was mentally 398 00:23:13.390 --> 00:23:17.559 not there either. He started beating on animals. He started 399 00:23:19.099 --> 00:23:22.779 I don't want to spill my brother's business, but I know, 400 00:23:22.880 --> 00:23:26.549 I hope and I pray that he's grown since then. 401 00:23:26.730 --> 00:23:29.930 But when we were younger, we both were, we would 402 00:23:29.950 --> 00:23:32.369 chase each other with knives. Like, it was crazy. It 403 00:23:33.569 --> 00:23:38.890 was literally craziness. There's so many stories that I have. Like, 404 00:23:38.950 --> 00:23:41.539 I probably couldn't even tell you in one session. 405 00:23:41.690 --> 00:23:44.569 Because this was after the murders? Yes. 406 00:23:45.660 --> 00:23:48.869 Um, yes, this was after, after the murders. 407 00:23:48.990 --> 00:23:51.309 So before the murders, it sounds like y'all had a 408 00:23:51.349 --> 00:23:52.390 really good childhood. 409 00:23:52.789 --> 00:23:53.150 Oh yeah. 410 00:23:53.410 --> 00:23:53.809 Oh yeah. 411 00:23:54.170 --> 00:23:56.069 Did it change when Ross came into the picture? 412 00:23:56.750 --> 00:23:57.069 Yes. 413 00:23:58.390 --> 00:24:01.799 So what's so funny is that my mom actually had 414 00:24:01.890 --> 00:24:05.980 two boyfriends at the time, Ross and Kevin. I remember 415 00:24:06.059 --> 00:24:10.380 Kevin had kids and Ross, he was single. And my 416 00:24:10.440 --> 00:24:12.799 mom took me to meet both of them, me and 417 00:24:12.819 --> 00:24:15.220 my brother to meet both of them. And I remember 418 00:24:15.319 --> 00:24:19.920 I liked Kevin and I liked his daughters. But it 419 00:24:21.519 --> 00:24:24.059 was so crazy. My mom came to me and asked me, 420 00:24:24.740 --> 00:24:27.059 so which one would you want to be your dad, 421 00:24:27.099 --> 00:24:32.099 Kevin or Ross? And I said, Ross. And only because Ross, 422 00:24:33.599 --> 00:24:38.049 he bought my love, basically. He would buy stuff. And 423 00:24:38.069 --> 00:24:41.130 I was like, as a little kid, you're not thinking like, oh, 424 00:24:42.390 --> 00:24:44.859 he's a bad person. He shouldn't be buying my love. 425 00:24:45.460 --> 00:24:47.619 He was buying my love. I was a little kid. 426 00:24:47.680 --> 00:24:50.140 He would buy me, like, I think he bought me 427 00:24:50.180 --> 00:24:53.769 a PS3. Like, he bought me a DS. It was 428 00:24:53.809 --> 00:24:57.710 a bunch of things that he would do to try to, like, 429 00:24:57.849 --> 00:25:01.910 come into my life. And now that I think back 430 00:25:01.970 --> 00:25:07.490 at it, it's so manipulative because I feel like the whole. 431 00:25:07.509 --> 00:25:08.450 Well, you were a child. 432 00:25:08.970 --> 00:25:09.750 Yeah, exactly. 433 00:25:09.769 --> 00:25:12.619 Yeah, I mean, you were a child, so— you would 434 00:25:12.660 --> 00:25:15.559 not have seen manipulation. You were an innocent child. 435 00:25:15.980 --> 00:25:19.609 Right. I was, I was five, six. Like that's when 436 00:25:19.650 --> 00:25:22.890 I really started to get to know him. And like 437 00:25:22.950 --> 00:25:25.089 as a kid, I, but I remember my mom coming 438 00:25:25.109 --> 00:25:28.509 to me and saying, Savannah, would you rather Kevin be 439 00:25:28.529 --> 00:25:31.940 your dad or Ross? And I said, Ross. And I 440 00:25:31.980 --> 00:25:36.160 feel like it's my fault that I said Ross. If 441 00:25:36.259 --> 00:25:39.829 I said Kevin, would my mom chose

Kevin? Like, I 442 00:25:39.849 --> 00:25:42.549 don't know. That's just how I think as an adult today, 443 00:25:42.609 --> 00:25:46.670 because I think back to all the little incidents that 444 00:25:47.150 --> 00:25:49.059 may have been my fault. I think back to those. 445 00:25:49.960 --> 00:25:51.519 You were a child. None of it was your fault. 446 00:25:51.619 --> 00:25:54.119 None of it. You were just a pawn. 447 00:25:54.319 --> 00:25:57.759 I mean, even the way that they used you guys 448 00:25:57.859 --> 00:26:02.359 against the grandparents, you were a pawn. It was none 449 00:26:02.400 --> 00:26:04.829 of it. Girl, let that guilt go because you were 450 00:26:04.869 --> 00:26:09.190 a child. Look at your baby. You're two babies right there. 451 00:26:09.289 --> 00:26:11.829 It's anything that happens with you right now, their fault 452 00:26:12.650 --> 00:26:16.390 on any level. And you have to absolutely let that 453 00:26:16.430 --> 00:26:19.849 go because your heart deserves that. Your heart deserves that. 454 00:26:19.950 --> 00:26:20.670 You're a kid. 455 00:26:20.690 --> 00:26:21.849 Right. 456 00:26:22.789 --> 00:26:25.650 Go hug your kid. Go hug your inner kid. Your 457 00:26:25.710 --> 00:26:27.190 inner kid needs your hug. 458 00:26:27.470 --> 00:26:30.920 So Savannah, have you had a relationship with your brother 459 00:26:31.019 --> 00:26:34.160 since all this passed? It sounds like maybe it's a 460 00:26:34.200 --> 00:26:35.299 little bit estranged. 461 00:26:36.480 --> 00:26:44.359 So... My mother. So. Backstory. I ran away from my 462 00:26:44.400 --> 00:26:52.680 mother's house in 2021. And I'm going to put. When 463 00:26:52.720 --> 00:27:00.079 I ran away from her. I have never seen my brother. 464 00:27:00.819 --> 00:27:05.019 Except for one visitation that we had. And I was 465 00:27:05.099 --> 00:27:11.009 in CPS care. And. I remember this encounter like it 466 00:27:11.029 --> 00:27:14.609 was yesterday. My brothers, they were 10 months. They were walking. 467 00:27:15.150 --> 00:27:19.710 My twin brothers, they were walking. That's Ross's children. They 468 00:27:19.750 --> 00:27:22.970 were walking. And I remember Brady, he was 10 and 469 00:27:24.599 --> 00:27:28.839 was so crazy. I ran away on his 10th birthday. 470 00:27:29.180 --> 00:27:31.400 And I think that's why my brother doesn't speak to 471 00:27:31.440 --> 00:27:35.180 me to this day. I think that is why he's 472 00:27:35.200 --> 00:27:41.539 mad at me Because even from Ross's side of the family, 473 00:27:42.380 --> 00:27:45.609 I've talked to a few of them. Because I lived 474 00:27:45.690 --> 00:27:50.990 with Ross's brother for a year after I got out 475 00:27:51.009 --> 00:27:55.329 of foster care. And Ross's brother cut all contact off 476 00:27:55.349 --> 00:27:58.309 with Ross. He did not. I wasn't going to live 477 00:27:58.329 --> 00:28:01.009 with him if they were in contact with him. 478 00:28:01.569 --> 00:28:04.130 So how did the brother feel? Did his brother feel 479 00:28:04.150 --> 00:28:04.950 like they were involved? 480 00:28:05.309 --> 00:28:08.880 Oh yeah, 100%. They brought their theories to me and 481 00:28:08.930 --> 00:28:11.380 I've been like, they've even turned in a gun to 482 00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:14.420 Anderson County and was like, hey, my brother gave me 483 00:28:14.460 --> 00:28:17.039 this on Christmas of that year. I don't know if 484 00:28:17.119 --> 00:28:19.880 it has anything to do with this crime, but I'm 485 00:28:19.900 --> 00:28:25.009 gonna turn this gun in anyways. So he turned that in. 486 00:28:25.470 --> 00:28:27.690 I don't know if it was ever found that it 487 00:28:27.730 --> 00:28:33.519 was used. I don't believe so, but they wanted to help. 488 00:28:34.000 --> 00:28:38.430 They wanted to be a part. They're very good people. Now, 489 00:28:38.779 --> 00:28:43.539 me and Ross's brother, we fell out. But that was 490 00:28:43.920 --> 00:28:47.079 due to personal issues, not because of the case. They 491 00:28:47.119 --> 00:28:52.940 are very good people. They believe 100% that Ross did this. 492 00:28:52.980 --> 00:28:58.920 Because even my aunt Alyssa, Ross's brother's wife, she said, 493 00:29:00.940 --> 00:29:04.799 that she 100% believes that he did this. Because just 494 00:29:04.859 --> 00:29:08.480 when they were younger, the way he acted around females, 495 00:29:08.539 --> 00:29:11.730 the way he was very, he was very aggressive about himself. 496 00:29:11.809 --> 00:29:16.170 Like you could tell that he, he could do something. 497 00:29:17.170 --> 00:29:19.289 He could do something to somebody and get away with 498 00:29:19.390 --> 00:29:21.609 it or try to get away with it. I mean, 499 00:29:22.190 --> 00:29:23.890 they got away with it for eight years. 500 00:29:25.200 --> 00:29:27.059 Savannah, I want to just back you up for a minute. 501 00:29:27.140 --> 00:29:32.049 So Before even the murders occurred, you were living with 502 00:29:32.089 --> 00:29:34.450 your mom, and this is before Ross was in the picture, 503 00:29:34.470 --> 00:29:37.349 and your mom was still living. Was your mom living 504 00:29:37.369 --> 00:29:39.349 on the same property as your grandparents? 505 00:29:39.369 --> 00:29:39.910 Yes. 506 00:29:40.059 --> 00:29:42.559 Were living with your mom? Or how did that play out? 507 00:29:42.859 --> 00:29:43.099 Yeah. 508 00:29:43.539 --> 00:29:47.789 So my grandparents lived in 2217. I lived in the 509 00:29:47.849 --> 00:29:50.690 trailer behind in the single lot of 2219. 510 00:29:50.690 --> 00:29:50.930 And I. 511 00:29:53.549 --> 00:29:57.380 We lived back there, me, Ross, my brother, and my mom. 512 00:29:57.599 --> 00:30:00.759 We all lived in the single wide. And the double 513 00:30:00.779 --> 00:30:09.900 wide was Gammy, which is Barbara, Violet, which was my great-grandmother, Kathy, 514 00:30:10.019 --> 00:30:15.869 my grandma, and then Mike, which is technically my step-grandfather, 515

00:30:15.950 --> 00:30:19.210 but I always knew him as my grandfather. Because my 516 00:30:19.250 --> 00:30:22.309 real grandfather, he died in 2001. 517 00:30:23.009 --> 00:30:24.710 So they were all living there. 518 00:30:25.029 --> 00:30:27.509 Did you stay with them a lot of the times 519 00:30:27.589 --> 00:30:30.210 when you were living with your mom? Because I watched 520 00:30:30.230 --> 00:30:33.339 your TikTok videos and it sounded like they were the 521 00:30:33.400 --> 00:30:35.299 ones that kind of raised you more than your mom did. 522 00:30:35.319 --> 00:30:39.400 Oh, yeah. My mom, she loved to party. She loved 523 00:30:39.440 --> 00:30:41.279 to go out. She loved to hang out with her friends, 524 00:30:41.339 --> 00:30:45.660 especially Christina. Her name is Christina Bassler. I think she 525 00:30:45.700 --> 00:30:48.180 changed her last name. I think she got married recently. 526 00:30:48.220 --> 00:30:50.289 But that was her best friend at the time. And 527 00:30:50.309 --> 00:30:53.380 she would go out and party together. She would throw 528 00:30:53.500 --> 00:30:57.200 me and my brother off onto my grandparents. But my grandparents, 529 00:30:57.220 --> 00:31:00.220 they were so loving. They never made us feel like 530 00:31:00.299 --> 00:31:03.440 we were a burden to them. Honestly, I thought it 531 00:31:03.480 --> 00:31:05.859 was a privilege to go over to my grandparents' house. 532 00:31:05.880 --> 00:31:09.619 I'm like, yay, we're going to grandma's. I remember grandma, 533 00:31:09.640 --> 00:31:13.789 she would send us outside. We would play for hours. 534 00:31:13.849 --> 00:31:15.509 But at the end of the day, we'd always have 535 00:31:15.589 --> 00:31:19.990 a home-cooked meal. It was the best. That was probably 536 00:31:20.009 --> 00:31:21.690 the best days of my life. 537 00:31:21.769 --> 00:31:22.150 Mm-hmm. 538 00:31:23.240 --> 00:31:24.369 Is when they were alive. 539 00:31:24.789 --> 00:31:28.150 Do you remember when your mom started using you against 540 00:31:28.190 --> 00:31:30.269 your grandparents and would not let you see them? 541 00:31:30.289 --> 00:31:36.289 I don't remember how it happened because you know how 542 00:31:36.329 --> 00:31:39.170 adults are, they keep, they try to keep things from 543 00:31:39.210 --> 00:31:40.490 the kids. 544 00:31:40.549 --> 00:31:42.490 I think they both said it was something that happened 545 00:31:42.549 --> 00:31:44.359 on the July 4th. Yeah. 546 00:31:44.490 --> 00:31:47.400 It was something about my mom being drunk, which I'm 547 00:31:47.440 --> 00:31:51.640 not surprised. Um, I don't even, I don't remember the 548 00:31:51.680 --> 00:31:55.059 last encounter I had with my grandma or my grandpa. Like, 549 00:31:55.079 --> 00:32:02.009 that's how sudden it was. But I remember seeing and 550 00:32:02.049 --> 00:32:04.470 hearing that people were saying that she was drunk on 551 00:32:04.529 --> 00:32:08.690 the 4th of July. And I knew that. My grandma 552 00:32:08.750 --> 00:32:12.789 had been sending, like, welfare checks to see if I 553 00:32:12.829 --> 00:32:16.589 was okay after the fact. After 4th of July. And 554 00:32:16.630 --> 00:32:18.829 trying to see if me and my brother were okay. 555 00:32:19.420 --> 00:32:22.779 That's why in that one video where you hear Ross say, 556 00:32:22.839 --> 00:32:27.829 I hope you die, they're talking about the welfare check 557 00:32:27.869 --> 00:32:34.150 that they called for me because Kathy, my grandma, was worried. 558 00:32:34.309 --> 00:32:35.930 She was like, I want to make sure that my 559 00:32:35.950 --> 00:32:41.309 grandbabies are okay. And I understand where she's coming from 560 00:32:41.329 --> 00:32:43.930 because as a mother, and I'm not a grandma yet, 561 00:32:44.109 --> 00:32:45.869 but as a mother, I want to know where my 562 00:32:45.890 --> 00:32:51.089 kid's at. So I understand that. And especially if my 563 00:32:51.109 --> 00:32:55.460 daughters grow up and actually my mother, I would understand 564 00:32:55.559 --> 00:32:59.140 why I would call CPS on them. Why if you're 565 00:32:59.200 --> 00:33:03.380 raising my grandchildren and you are not right in the head. 566 00:33:04.220 --> 00:33:08.450 I'm going to call CPS on you. And that's why 567 00:33:08.490 --> 00:33:11.269 I think my grandmother did it. Because she saw my 568 00:33:11.509 --> 00:33:13.329 mom was going crazy. She's crazy. 569 00:33:13.710 --> 00:33:17.569 So after they started having this dispute about you and 570 00:33:17.789 --> 00:33:21.839 your mom kind of used you guys against them, after 571 00:33:22.259 --> 00:33:26.940 some time, it sounds like they started reconciling and allowing 572 00:33:26.980 --> 00:33:28.900 you to see your grandparents some. 573 00:33:29.839 --> 00:33:31.160 Do you remember that at all? 574 00:33:33.220 --> 00:33:36.079 So the only time I remember, I don't think I 575 00:33:36.180 --> 00:33:38.700 ever saw them after the 4th of July. I don't 576 00:33:38.740 --> 00:33:40.619 think I ever saw them again. Okay. 577 00:33:41.059 --> 00:33:42.980 Even though you lived in the same yard, basically. 578 00:33:43.960 --> 00:33:44.240 Yeah. 579 00:33:44.519 --> 00:33:48.200 Because what they would do is they would send me 580 00:33:48.349 --> 00:33:53.150 and my brother over to Ross's parents' house. And we 581 00:33:53.170 --> 00:33:57.690 wouldn't be there. So the fact that we were there 582 00:33:57.710 --> 00:34:04.880 on Halloween, which was... basically my mom and Ross's honeymoon 583 00:34:05.240 --> 00:34:10.010 because they just got married and my, after they got married, 584 00:34:10.050 --> 00:34:14.630 cause they got married in Ross's backyard, Ross's mom's backyard. Sorry. 585 00:34:14.849 --> 00:34:18.610 There's so many thoughts going on in my head. Um, 586 00:34:18.769 --> 00:34:22.969 but they got married in his mom's backyard. We stayed there. 587 00:34:23.030 --> 00:34:26.489 So we didn't, after they left, we

stayed with his 588 00:34:26.550 --> 00:34:31.739 mom and, uh, his dad. So we stayed at, That location. 589 00:34:32.179 --> 00:34:35.159 And I don't remember seeing them until like a week later. 590 00:34:35.179 --> 00:34:39.110 I know some reports say, but me personally, like in 591 00:34:39.119 --> 00:34:42.280 my head, in my brain, what I remember is like, 592 00:34:42.389 --> 00:34:44.690 I don't remember seeing my mom and Ross for a week. 593 00:34:45.489 --> 00:34:48.190 And I believe during that week, they were plotting, they 594 00:34:48.230 --> 00:34:52.250 were planning. And if you go on my mom's Facebook page, 595 00:34:52.670 --> 00:34:57.269 she literally posted on October 31st, 2015, me and my 596 00:34:57.309 --> 00:35:02.250 brother in our Halloween costumes. And- It is crazy because 597 00:35:02.289 --> 00:35:05.849 that's the day that they say that the murders occurred. 598 00:35:05.909 --> 00:35:06.190 Right. 599 00:35:07.030 --> 00:35:14.719 So I think they deliberately, like I said earlier, they 600 00:35:14.780 --> 00:35:16.460 planned this out. They knew what they were doing. 601 00:35:16.480 --> 00:35:18.199 They were trying to establish an alibi. 602 00:35:18.460 --> 00:35:26.159 Exactly. Exactly. These people are cold, calculated. My mom watches 603 00:35:26.469 --> 00:35:32.800 straight crime show all the time. She knows. She knows 604 00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:35.639 how to cover up herself. She knows. And it's not 605 00:35:35.679 --> 00:35:39.199 even based on her watching crime shows. It's the fact 606 00:35:39.239 --> 00:35:43.190 that she's lived life so long that she knows how 607 00:35:43.230 --> 00:35:45.050 to get away with stuff because she's been doing it 608 00:35:45.090 --> 00:35:47.789 her whole life. She's hated her mom since she was 609 00:35:47.789 --> 00:35:50.070 18 because when she was 18 in 2001, September 12th 610 00:35:50.610 --> 00:35:58.960 is when her father died. And she blames her mom 611 00:35:59.000 --> 00:36:01.039 because her mom had to pull the plug because he 612 00:36:01.079 --> 00:36:04.909 was on life support. He was basically a vegetable. My 613 00:36:04.929 --> 00:36:07.789 mom blames her mom for that. And that's why ever 614 00:36:07.829 --> 00:36:09.469 since they never had a good relationship. 615 00:36:09.889 --> 00:36:13.630 So Halloween, you're at Ross's parents' house and you go 616 00:36:13.690 --> 00:36:18.070 trick-or-treating there. Do you remember trick-or-treating that night in their neighborhood? 617 00:36:18.150 --> 00:36:19.289 Or did you go trunk-or-treating? 618 00:36:20.219 --> 00:36:22.840 I do. I do remember that night. I remember we 619 00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:26.519 went to church together. And I remember, oh my gosh, 620 00:36:26.539 --> 00:36:30.119 this is crazy. See, I don't think, see, once you're 621 00:36:30.179 --> 00:36:32.929 asking me these questions, I'm really thinking into detail back. 622 00:36:33.679 --> 00:36:36.389 So this is good for me. This

is like therapy. 623 00:36:36.409 --> 00:36:37.090 Yes, it is. 624 00:36:37.170 --> 00:36:38.909 It's therapy. 625 00:36:40.150 --> 00:36:43.929 I remember we went trick-or-treating. I dressed up as like 626 00:36:43.969 --> 00:36:46.550 a vampire. I think my brother was like Superman or 627 00:36:46.690 --> 00:36:51.269 some Iron Man. He was some type of superhero. And 628 00:36:51.889 --> 00:36:56.659 we went out with Ross's sister. Sisters, both of his sisters. 629 00:36:56.719 --> 00:37:00.059 He has two sisters, Sarah Jane and Caroline. They're the 630 00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:03.539 sweetest people you will ever meet. Like, they're so sweet. 631 00:37:04.539 --> 00:37:07.550 And we went out with his mother. We went around, 632 00:37:07.570 --> 00:37:11.250 I think, their neighborhood for a few hours. And I 633 00:37:11.269 --> 00:37:14.429 remember we came back. We went to bed. Everything was normal. 634 00:37:14.849 --> 00:37:17.610 I didn't know. I thought my mom was on her 635 00:37:17.670 --> 00:37:20.230 honeymoon because that's what she said when she left us there, 636 00:37:20.670 --> 00:37:22.210 that she was going to go on her honeymoon. 637 00:37:22.230 --> 00:37:22.289 So. 638 00:37:24.510 --> 00:37:27.610 I didn't know that this was occurring. And now that 639 00:37:27.630 --> 00:37:30.329 I know that was occurring during that moment of when 640 00:37:30.389 --> 00:37:35.539 I was falling asleep, that's so mind-boggling to me. 641 00:37:36.059 --> 00:37:38.360 That this was happening, and it was just a normal, 642 00:37:38.460 --> 00:37:39.440 fun night for you. 643 00:37:39.460 --> 00:37:40.500 It was Halloween. 644 00:37:40.519 --> 00:37:42.840 You got to go trick-or-treating. You were having fun. 645 00:37:44.389 --> 00:37:47.210 And so you woke up the next morning, and did 646 00:37:47.349 --> 00:37:51.110 Ross and your mom show up at Ross's house that day, 647 00:37:51.130 --> 00:37:52.170 that morning, or what? 648 00:37:53.090 --> 00:37:57.510 I remember my mom, I think it was my mom 649 00:37:57.630 --> 00:38:02.769 and Ross. I believe it because I don't want to 650 00:38:02.809 --> 00:38:05.250 say something that's not true, but I believe it was 651 00:38:05.309 --> 00:38:06.949 my mom and Ross that came and got me and 652 00:38:06.989 --> 00:38:10.820 my brother from his parents' house. They brought us back. 653 00:38:11.800 --> 00:38:14.760 And then I remember, I think Ross left in the car. 654 00:38:14.780 --> 00:38:17.639 And then my mom got out of the car, me 655 00:38:17.960 --> 00:38:20.000 and my brother got out of the car. We went 656 00:38:20.059 --> 00:38:22.719 into the single wide, which is behind the double wide. 657 00:38:23.739 --> 00:38:26.719 And then my mom looked at me and said, I 658 00:38:27.539 --> 00:38:30.610 got a surprise for y'all. Y'all go into the room. 659 00:38:30.619 --> 00:38:34.199 I'll be right back. I remember her saying this to me. 660 00:38:34.750 --> 00:38:39.030 I remember that part. And then she went to my 661 00:38:40.210 --> 00:38:42.929 grandparents' house. You know, I'm a nosy kid, so I 662 00:38:42.929 --> 00:38:45.269 was looking through the windows. So I saw her go 663 00:38:45.349 --> 00:38:51.369 up to my grandparents' back door. All I remember is 664 00:38:51.389 --> 00:38:55.329 her running back and I remember her white socks were 665 00:38:55.409 --> 00:38:59.989 covered in some sort of reddish orange kind of color. 666 00:39:00.010 --> 00:39:02.369 I wasn't sure if it was blood or if it 667 00:39:02.389 --> 00:39:04.409 was the clay that was on the property because we 668 00:39:04.429 --> 00:39:07.929 have really red clay on the property that we lived 669 00:39:08.030 --> 00:39:11.250 at at the time. So I wasn't sure if it 670 00:39:11.269 --> 00:39:14.980 was blood or if it was the clay. But I 671 00:39:14.980 --> 00:39:17.639 remember seeing her socks and they were covered in something. 672 00:39:17.659 --> 00:39:19.989 And she told me and my brother, go hide in 673 00:39:20.010 --> 00:39:23.090 the closet in my room. And me and my brother, 674 00:39:23.170 --> 00:39:25.789 we hid in the closet. There's cat litter all over 675 00:39:25.809 --> 00:39:27.530 the place in the closet because I remember that's where 676 00:39:27.570 --> 00:39:31.579 I kept my cat cat litter box were you. 677 00:39:31.340 --> 00:39:33.219 Were you afraid or how were you feeling when your 678 00:39:33.239 --> 00:39:34.880 mom said go hide in the closet did you think 679 00:39:34.920 --> 00:39:36.000 something was wrong. 680 00:39:37.099 --> 00:39:42.280 So when she said that and what's so crazy is 681 00:39:42.300 --> 00:39:46.090 my mom she would feed my head with crazy ideas 682 00:39:46.170 --> 00:39:50.469 like You shouldn't love your grandma. She doesn't love you 683 00:39:50.530 --> 00:39:53.329 as much as I do. She would say all kinds 684 00:39:53.369 --> 00:39:56.449 of crazy stuff to me. And at that time, I 685 00:39:56.510 --> 00:39:59.500 wasn't scared. I'm going to be truthful. I wasn't scared. 686 00:40:01.880 --> 00:40:04.300 At the time, I trust my mom. That's my protector. 687 00:40:04.320 --> 00:40:09.300 That's my provider. I trust my mom. After we went 688 00:40:09.340 --> 00:40:12.889 in there, I remember I think the police came and 689 00:40:12.929 --> 00:40:15.590 talked to us. And then I think we went over 690 00:40:15.750 --> 00:40:19.869 to the next door neighbor's house, which I had some 691 00:40:19.909 --> 00:40:22.170 friends that lived over there. And my mom was friends 692 00:40:22.309 --> 00:40:24.289 with the people that lived there at the time. 693 00:40:25.389 --> 00:40:25.670 And I. 694 00:40:27.210 --> 00:40:35.250 Remember the mom, her name is Tricia. She's so sweet. 695 00:40:36.070 --> 00:40:40.780 She asked me, do you know what happened? I looked 696 00:40:40.820 --> 00:40:44.179 at this woman and I said, I don't know, but 697 00:40:44.199 --> 00:40:49.119 I think my grandparents are

dead. And I think that's okay. 698 00:40:49.400 --> 00:40:51.340 Like I was okay with it. Right. 699 00:40:53.469 --> 00:40:53.610 And. 700 00:40:54.250 --> 00:40:57.010 Cause your mom was grooming you and almost brainwashing you, 701 00:40:57.070 --> 00:40:57.269 I guess. 702 00:40:57.289 --> 00:41:01.230 Basically, basically. And I, it's not until I got older 703 00:41:01.369 --> 00:41:06.019 and whenever, until I realized it, it's, it's so crazy 704 00:41:06.039 --> 00:41:07.739 when you're a kid, you look up to your parents 705 00:41:07.780 --> 00:41:10.340 so much. Like those are your, those are your protectors. 706 00:41:10.380 --> 00:41:14.300 Those are your providers. Like, If anybody in the world 707 00:41:14.409 --> 00:41:16.349 other than God that is supposed to protect you is 708 00:41:16.369 --> 00:41:20.309 supposed to be your parents. The fact that she even 709 00:41:20.750 --> 00:41:23.130 treated me the way that she treated me, even after 710 00:41:23.150 --> 00:41:26.090 she went to jail, she would talk about, oh, yeah, 711 00:41:26.130 --> 00:41:28.099 I want to get out of here so I can 712 00:41:28.119 --> 00:41:33.659 see my boys. Never mentioned me. Never mentioned me. She's 713 00:41:33.699 --> 00:41:35.239 always favored her boys. 714 00:41:36.260 --> 00:41:36.900 I don't know why. 715 00:41:36.920 --> 00:41:38.579 And you're the oldest, right? 716 00:41:39.119 --> 00:41:40.070 Yes, I'm the oldest. 717 00:41:40.690 --> 00:41:42.190 That's gotta be hard as a child. 718 00:41:42.289 --> 00:41:45.110 And it is, you know, your mother saying that to you, 719 00:41:45.130 --> 00:41:48.230 you know, favoring another child. 720 00:41:48.250 --> 00:41:54.849 Yeah. And, um, I had a love hate relationship with 721 00:41:54.889 --> 00:41:57.210 my mom. I still love her, but it's to the 722 00:41:57.269 --> 00:41:59.630 point where like, you've done so much to me and 723 00:42:00.829 --> 00:42:04.010 to my family that it's like, I can't even accept 724 00:42:04.050 --> 00:42:06.809 you back into my life. Like she, in the message 725 00:42:06.849 --> 00:42:11.429 that she sent me through the prison system, um, messaging system. 726 00:42:11.869 --> 00:42:14.670 She said, I love you and I miss you. That's 727 00:42:14.710 --> 00:42:18.230 the first sentence that she said. And I feel like 728 00:42:18.269 --> 00:42:19.380 that's manipulation. 729 00:42:19.389 --> 00:42:23.639 Has she ever had a relationship with your children? Or 730 00:42:23.679 --> 00:42:25.000 has she been in jail? 731 00:42:25.019 --> 00:42:31.079 So, Lori, I haven't spoken to Lori ever since, but Lori, 732 00:42:31.260 --> 00:42:35.010 her lawyer, decided to show a picture of my babies 733 00:42:35.070 --> 00:42:37.309 to her without my permission. I didn't even know. So, 734 00:42:39.340 --> 00:42:43.019 she's seen what my babies are like. And she compared 735 00:42:43.039 --> 00:42:48.989 them to the twins. And I was kind of irked 736 00:42:49.159 --> 00:42:51.650

about that because those Ross's kids, I'm like, I don't 737 00:42:51.670 --> 00:42:56.809 want my babies looking at anything like Ross's kids. This 738 00:42:56.869 --> 00:42:57.090 is me. 739 00:42:57.349 --> 00:42:58.869 She's never met her grandchildren. 740 00:42:59.329 --> 00:43:03.230 Like, yeah, she's, she's seen them. She's, um, she knows 741 00:43:03.269 --> 00:43:05.449 about them. I don't know how much, because I know 742 00:43:05.469 --> 00:43:08.500 Christina is still talking to her. I know, that she 743 00:43:08.519 --> 00:43:11.699 has a friend named Miss D that still talks to her. 744 00:43:12.539 --> 00:43:14.860 I'm not sure how many people she messages overall, but 745 00:43:14.880 --> 00:43:17.030 I know those two people definitely are still in contact 746 00:43:17.070 --> 00:43:20.289 with her to this day. Me and Christina, we're still 747 00:43:20.510 --> 00:43:23.489 friends on Facebook. I don't know how she feels about me. 748 00:43:24.590 --> 00:43:27.929 Christina personally hasn't done anything to me, but I know 749 00:43:27.969 --> 00:43:30.730 Christina definitely is going back and telling stuff to my 750 00:43:30.789 --> 00:43:35.010 mom about me, which she can do that all she wants. 751 00:43:35.789 --> 00:43:36.349 I don't care. 752 00:43:36.369 --> 00:43:43.300 It's So Savannah, after the murders happened, obviously those were 753 00:43:43.320 --> 00:43:47.000 the closest people to you. What happened to you? Did 754 00:43:47.019 --> 00:43:49.099 your mom go to jail right away or was she 755 00:43:49.500 --> 00:43:51.280 out for a while? How long were you with your 756 00:43:51.320 --> 00:43:53.820 mom and where did you end up having to live? 757 00:43:53.840 --> 00:43:55.619 All right. 758 00:43:57.079 --> 00:44:01.280 So I lived with my mom the whole, not the 759 00:44:01.320 --> 00:44:03.889 whole eight years. I lived with her until 2021 when 760 00:44:03.909 --> 00:44:04.199 I was 15. 761 00:44:04.179 --> 00:44:04.300 So. 762 00:44:08.059 --> 00:44:10.320 From when the murders happened, I was nine all the 763 00:44:10.340 --> 00:44:18.820 way to 15. So that's when I lived with my mom. 764 00:44:18.840 --> 00:44:21.909 So that's a big chunk of my early childhood that 765 00:44:22.119 --> 00:44:24.989 I lived with her in mid-teens. 766 00:44:25.210 --> 00:44:29.829 Yeah, because they did not arrest them until eight years later. 767 00:44:29.969 --> 00:44:33.349 So that makes sense. So were you living with Ross 768 00:44:33.489 --> 00:44:33.989 and your mom? 769 00:44:34.909 --> 00:44:39.300 Yes, I was living in 2021 with them. And then 770 00:44:39.519 --> 00:44:44.059 April 9th, 2021 is when I ran away. I jumped 771 00:44:44.159 --> 00:44:47.840 out of, so I know where they live. I'm not 772 00:44:47.860 --> 00:44:50.280 going to expose the address or anything, but I know 773 00:44:50.300 --> 00:44:52.730 where they live. And where they live is kind of 774 00:44:52.750 --> 00:44:56.489 like a two-story house almost. My room was on this 775 00:44:56.530 --> 00:45:01.730 top story. I jumped down. to run away from these 776 00:45:01.769 --> 00:45:04.239 people because they tried to lock me in my room 777 00:45:04.780 --> 00:45:06.539 and take away my phone and tell me that I 778 00:45:06.559 --> 00:45:10.139 could not go anywhere or see anybody. After I told 779 00:45:10.199 --> 00:45:13.980 my mom that Ross had been raping me for three 780 00:45:14.019 --> 00:45:14.739 years of my life. 781 00:45:16.039 --> 00:45:19.250 So at what point, how did this start? Was he 782 00:45:19.309 --> 00:45:21.929 grooming you? Did he start coming into your room? 783 00:45:22.289 --> 00:45:26.510 How this started is so gross to me. It's so gross. 784 00:45:27.110 --> 00:45:29.699 He started coming to my room at night. It started 785 00:45:29.719 --> 00:45:31.480 when I was 12 years old. I remember I just 786 00:45:31.519 --> 00:45:33.920 got my period. It was in September is when I 787 00:45:33.940 --> 00:45:36.820 got my period. I don't know what year, but I 788 00:45:36.820 --> 00:45:39.380 know I was 12. And when I was 12, that's September. 789 00:45:39.400 --> 00:45:43.699 I got my period for the first time. And when 790 00:45:43.719 --> 00:45:46.239 I got my period, that's when he started coming into 791 00:45:46.280 --> 00:45:50.849 my room at night. It started touching and feeling. And 792 00:45:50.869 --> 00:45:53.710 then it just started escalating from there. It started getting 793 00:45:54.530 --> 00:45:57.329 more and more. And then he started penetrating. And then. 794 00:45:59.050 --> 00:46:02.289 It lasted all the way until I was 15. Sometimes, 795 00:46:03.409 --> 00:46:06.280 during the night, he would always make excuses. Like, if 796 00:46:06.340 --> 00:46:07.780 my mom was up, like, oh, yeah, I was just 797 00:46:07.800 --> 00:46:11.079 trying to get her cat out of her room. Blah, blah, blah. 798 00:46:11.119 --> 00:46:13.519 It was always something about my cat. He hated my cat. 799 00:46:13.599 --> 00:46:19.119 I don't know why. But, and me, as being a 800 00:46:19.179 --> 00:46:23.739 young teenager, tween. Mm-hmm. I don't know how to feel 801 00:46:23.800 --> 00:46:27.909 about this. So I'm just laying there with my eyes closed, 802 00:46:27.969 --> 00:46:33.969 like I'm still asleep, wondering why is this happening to me? 803 00:46:34.150 --> 00:46:37.650 What is this? I don't know what this is. Why 804 00:46:37.750 --> 00:46:41.380 is he touching me? There's so many questions that were 805 00:46:41.389 --> 00:46:45.380 going through my mind. And even to this day, I 806 00:46:45.559 --> 00:46:52.250 still struggle with my sleep. My sexual intimacy because of this. 807 00:46:52.670 --> 00:46:54.110 Right, right. 808 00:46:54.860 --> 00:47:01.980 So he's basically almost ruined my sex life. But, you know, 809 00:47:02.059 --> 00:47:05.139 it takes healing and I have healed and things have 810 00:47:05.179 --> 00:47:11.150 gotten better. It's just

very traumatizing because he would put 811 00:47:11.210 --> 00:47:16.239 pillows over my face, like, I guess to not... for 812 00:47:16.280 --> 00:47:19.059 me not to see what he's doing. I don't know 813 00:47:19.079 --> 00:47:21.659 why he wouldn't know that I would feel what he's 814 00:47:21.699 --> 00:47:22.409 doing to me. 815 00:47:23.409 --> 00:47:26.809 So what was your mom's reaction? Like, did you wait 816 00:47:27.469 --> 00:47:29.090 till you were 15 to tell her? 817 00:47:29.869 --> 00:47:32.929 So what I did, it was just, and I didn't 818 00:47:32.969 --> 00:47:34.570 mean to do it on my brother's birthday. It just 819 00:47:34.610 --> 00:47:36.989 still happened to be my brother's birthday. And my mom 820 00:47:37.090 --> 00:47:39.550 flipped the script and tried to say that I'm being 821 00:47:40.289 --> 00:47:43.360 narcissistic by trying to make this day about me, blah, blah, blah, 822 00:47:43.380 --> 00:47:45.829 even though it's my brother's birthday. My mom, she's crazy 823 00:47:45.849 --> 00:47:48.110 like that. I didn't even mean it to happen on 824 00:47:48.210 --> 00:47:53.599 my brother's birthday. Ross, he went into my room and 825 00:47:53.659 --> 00:47:58.139 I was vaping at the time. Teenagers do a lot 826 00:47:58.159 --> 00:48:04.119 of crazy stuff, okay? And I definitely have a very 827 00:48:05.599 --> 00:48:08.909 thick background of doing crazy stuff as a teenager. I'm 828 00:48:08.929 --> 00:48:09.449 not going to lie. 829 00:48:09.820 --> 00:48:10.610 I think we all have. 830 00:48:11.710 --> 00:48:16.980 Exactly. But Ross went into my room. He was feeling 831 00:48:17.019 --> 00:48:19.619 on my bed. He was like, he found my vape. 832 00:48:19.719 --> 00:48:22.650 He found this phone that I wasn't supposed to have 833 00:48:22.730 --> 00:48:25.550 because technically I had two phones. The one phone that 834 00:48:25.610 --> 00:48:28.150 he would take and put up every night. And the 835 00:48:28.329 --> 00:48:30.969 one phone that I have for myself. And I even, 836 00:48:30.989 --> 00:48:33.510 I have one person that can vouch for me for this. 837 00:48:34.519 --> 00:48:38.239 His name is Andrew Baldwin. He was my best friend 838 00:48:38.280 --> 00:48:42.599 at the time. And I told his parents that Ross 839 00:48:42.639 --> 00:48:46.679 was raping me. His parents called Anderson County and made 840 00:48:46.699 --> 00:48:52.849 an anonymous report. February, I think it was of 2020, 841 00:48:52.849 --> 00:48:58.789 either 2021 or 2020. It was around that time. They called, 842 00:49:00.289 --> 00:49:06.199 made that report. And then ever since then, they didn't 843 00:49:06.260 --> 00:49:09.039 move on or say anything else about it. But the 844 00:49:09.059 --> 00:49:13.050 last time I saw Andrew's parents, They helped me get 845 00:49:13.469 --> 00:49:16.269 to the police because when I ran away, I ran 846 00:49:16.329 --> 00:49:20.630 straight to Andrew's house because I knew. that my mom 847 00:49:20.670 --> 00:49:22.989 would try to follow me so I took a different 848 00:49:23.050 --> 00:49:27.039 route and I went straight to Andrew's house and I 849 00:49:27.079 --> 00:49:29.519 went up to the porch and as soon as I 850 00:49:29.559 --> 00:49:32.860 got to the porch I saw Andrew's mom sitting there 851 00:49:32.960 --> 00:49:35.460 on the porch on the phone with my mom as 852 00:49:35.500 --> 00:49:37.440 soon as she hung up the phone I was like 853 00:49:37.889 --> 00:49:42.320 Can you please help me? I'm crying. I'm in tears. 854 00:49:43.659 --> 00:49:46.539 And I'm begging. I'm like, can you please help me? 855 00:49:47.320 --> 00:49:50.280 He's raping me. And I just told my mom she 856 00:49:50.300 --> 00:49:55.760 doesn't believe me. As soon as I say that, Andrew's 857 00:49:55.780 --> 00:49:59.530 stepdad comes out the outside. It's like he has a 858 00:49:59.639 --> 00:50:02.130 rifle and everything. He's like, go in the house. Go 859 00:50:02.150 --> 00:50:05.690 in the room. So we went in Andrew's room. And 860 00:50:05.730 --> 00:50:08.880 then the stepdad came in. looked at me, looked me 861 00:50:08.940 --> 00:50:10.760 straight in my eyes. He said, look in my eyes. 862 00:50:10.780 --> 00:50:14.920 I need you to tell me the truth. Are these 863 00:50:14.980 --> 00:50:18.079 things that you are telling me true? Because if they're true, 864 00:50:18.179 --> 00:50:20.599 I'm going to protect you. But if they're not, I 865 00:50:21.219 --> 00:50:23.329 need to know. I'm not going to be mad at you. 866 00:50:24.389 --> 00:50:27.650 I told him that everything that I have said is true. 867 00:50:28.369 --> 00:50:30.829 He stood outside with that rifle in his hand while 868 00:50:30.849 --> 00:50:33.650 my mom and my stepdad were driving up and down 869 00:50:34.130 --> 00:50:37.590 with their red Jeep Wrangler, they were on their street 870 00:50:37.630 --> 00:50:40.829 because they knew where I ran to. They knew it. 871 00:50:41.889 --> 00:50:44.690 And then they called the police. Andrew's parents called the police. 872 00:50:45.530 --> 00:50:48.349 I remember the police officer came to Andrew's house and 873 00:50:48.369 --> 00:50:51.829 was asking me questions. And it was like, well, you know, 874 00:50:51.849 --> 00:50:58.190 we're going to have to take you back to the house, right? What? What? 875 00:50:58.309 --> 00:50:59.469 The way I. 876 00:50:59.769 --> 00:51:03.269 Oh, I started... I crashed out. I was like, I'm 877 00:51:03.309 --> 00:51:05.719 not going back. I'm going to get in this car. 878 00:51:05.840 --> 00:51:08.699 I'm not getting out of this car. I'm going with you. 879 00:51:08.719 --> 00:51:11.039 I don't care where I go. I'm not going in 880 00:51:11.079 --> 00:51:14.760 that house. And so the police officer knew. As soon 881 00:51:14.800 --> 00:51:16.500 as I crashed, he was like, oh, okay, okay. I 882 00:51:16.519 --> 00:51:20.199 see this is serious. So we drove back to the house. 883 00:51:21.599

--> 00:51:24.760 We drove back to the house. And I remember I 884 00:51:24.760 --> 00:51:29.420 was sitting in the police car. The police officer got out. 885 00:51:29.440 --> 00:51:32.619 I was in the back. He walked up to the house, 886 00:51:32.659 --> 00:51:35.139 was talking to my mom and Ross. My mom made 887 00:51:35.179 --> 00:51:40.179 up this bullshit story about me being suicidal and me 888 00:51:40.199 --> 00:51:44.250 being crazy, that I need to be in a mental hospital. So, 889 00:51:44.289 --> 00:51:47.130 you know, they brought the ambulance because, you know, I 890 00:51:47.170 --> 00:51:50.289 guess any allegation against like me hurting myself or anything, 891 00:51:50.309 --> 00:51:53.170 they have to bring out an ambulance. So they brought 892 00:51:53.190 --> 00:51:58.139 out an ambulance. I got in the ambulance. And I 893 00:51:58.139 --> 00:52:01.079 remember this dude, whoever this dude, God bless this dude, 894 00:52:01.099 --> 00:52:03.139 whoever was in that ambulance that day, he was in 895 00:52:03.159 --> 00:52:07.380 the ambulance. He looked at me and he, I didn't 896 00:52:07.400 --> 00:52:09.260 have to say a word. I was just crying. 897 00:52:09.280 --> 00:52:10.039 I was crying. 898 00:52:11.340 --> 00:52:14.480 He said, I believe you. And those words stick with 899 00:52:14.500 --> 00:52:17.300 me to this day because that's the, that's the only 900 00:52:17.340 --> 00:52:19.170 words I wanted to hear out of him. 901 00:52:19.530 --> 00:52:21.289 You just wanted your mom to believe you. 902 00:52:21.309 --> 00:52:24.409 You just needed one person at this point to believe you. 903 00:52:24.469 --> 00:52:25.329 And he was the one. 904 00:52:25.349 --> 00:52:29.159 Yes. And I didn't have to say nothing to him. 905 00:52:29.480 --> 00:52:32.980 He just knew. And it just broke my heart. It's like, 906 00:52:33.059 --> 00:52:37.719 why couldn't my mom see that, too? I'm trying not 907 00:52:37.760 --> 00:52:39.309 to cry. I'm trying to be professional. 908 00:52:39.329 --> 00:52:42.690 You're fine. We don't apologize for tears on our podcast 909 00:52:42.750 --> 00:52:44.869 because we bring some real shit. 910 00:52:44.550 --> 00:52:45.429 To the table. 911 00:52:45.489 --> 00:52:47.070 Real, real. 912 00:52:47.329 --> 00:52:49.590 I'm tearing up with you, girl, because I just can't 913 00:52:49.650 --> 00:52:53.130 believe you being 12 to 15 years old, this is 914 00:52:53.170 --> 00:52:56.599 happening to you, and you're reaching out for help. For 915 00:52:56.659 --> 00:53:00.550 your number one protector, and she's telling you to your 916 00:53:00.590 --> 00:53:01.710 face that you're a liar. 917 00:53:01.730 --> 00:53:08.250 Well, accepting it puts everything she has in jeopardy. This 918 00:53:08.329 --> 00:53:11.719 is her husband. This is her provider, so to speak. 919 00:53:11.739 --> 00:53:16.679 This is her guy. So, I mean, if she would 920 00:53:16.699 --> 00:53:18.920 have accepted it, that would have. 921 00:53:21.090 --> 00:53:23.210 I feel like she should have accepted the truth, but 922 00:53:23.269 --> 00:53:25.170 you know as well as I do, truth is one 923 00:53:25.190 --> 00:53:27.349 of the hardest things for people to freaking get. 924 00:53:27.869 --> 00:53:30.300 Yeah, but being 15 years old. 925 00:53:30.300 --> 00:53:33.280 What about that happy bubble? And once it's burst, it's 926 00:53:33.320 --> 00:53:34.960 gone forever and you can never get it back. 927 00:53:35.380 --> 00:53:37.039 I don't care how. 928 00:53:37.679 --> 00:53:41.119 This is a situation of if she accepted the truth. 929 00:53:41.480 --> 00:53:44.619 Well, I'm just saying as a mother, if my daughter 930 00:53:44.920 --> 00:53:46.480 ever accused anyone. 931 00:53:47.280 --> 00:53:47.579 Absolutely. 932 00:53:47.659 --> 00:53:49.239 Of anything like that. 933 00:53:49.699 --> 00:53:51.440 Burn this motherfucker down. 934 00:53:51.460 --> 00:53:52.739 That is not. 935 00:53:52.800 --> 00:53:53.079 Yes. 936 00:53:53.159 --> 00:53:53.599 That is just. 937 00:53:53.619 --> 00:53:54.659 I absolutely agree. 938 00:53:54.739 --> 00:53:56.019 Fucking bullshit. 939 00:53:56.079 --> 00:53:56.400 Sorry. 940 00:53:56.440 --> 00:53:58.519 And I don't cuss a lot. And I'm just saying 941 00:53:58.539 --> 00:54:03.940 that's fucking bullshit. So, and it sounds like the police 942 00:54:04.079 --> 00:54:05.679 kind of didn't believe you. When you went into the 943 00:54:05.760 --> 00:54:07.860 ambulance and went to the hospital, did they do a 944 00:54:07.920 --> 00:54:11.260 rape kit? Did they talk to you? Did they do anything? 945 00:54:11.329 --> 00:54:19.010 No. This is where the police really messed up. They 946 00:54:20.349 --> 00:54:25.239 didn't do a rape hit. They put me in CPS 947 00:54:25.300 --> 00:54:31.699 care almost immediately. And the CPS, I had two CPS caseworkers. 948 00:54:33.340 --> 00:54:37.949 One was, I guess, the trauma rape type caseworker. My 949 00:54:38.010 --> 00:54:42.349 other one was like kind of my general caseworker. And 950 00:54:42.369 --> 00:54:45.869 I remember I had to talk to this one caseworker. 951 00:54:45.929 --> 00:54:48.030 She asked me a bunch of questions like, what happened? 952 00:54:48.050 --> 00:54:50.869 Did he touch you? Where did he touch you? They 953 00:54:50.889 --> 00:54:52.929 didn't do any sort of kit on me. They just 954 00:54:53.130 --> 00:54:56.530 asked me a bunch of questions. And once that happened, 955 00:54:56.550 --> 00:54:59.889 I remember I sat in the hospital for 12 hours 956 00:54:59.909 --> 00:55:06.570 watching Spongebob. And then I remember they took me to 957 00:55:06.639 --> 00:55:09.980 DX and then... I sat there for a little bit. 958 00:55:10.000 --> 00:55:11.900 They got me a place to be. I stayed at 959 00:55:12.000 --> 00:55:19.079 that place from April 10th and 11th. And then on 960 00:55:19.119 --> 00:55:22.739 the 12th, I believe, I went to a group home. 961 00:55:23.000 --> 00:55:26.860 It

was Thornwell Group Home. These people here, the best 962 00:55:26.920 --> 00:55:30.619 group home you'd probably ever be at. Thornwell, okay? Clinton, 963 00:55:30.639 --> 00:55:36.769 South Carolina. They're Christian-based. They're very... I've made some good 964 00:55:36.809 --> 00:55:40.070 friends there. I still have one friend that I'm still 965 00:55:40.090 --> 00:55:44.210 in contact to this day with from there. We bonded 966 00:55:44.230 --> 00:55:49.429 through trauma, you know, like most CPS kids, DSS kids. 967 00:55:49.449 --> 00:55:56.280 And ever since, well, once I went to Thornwell, I 968 00:55:56.320 --> 00:55:59.420 was there for about a year. And then after that year, 969 00:55:59.599 --> 00:56:04.889 I went with Ross's brother. I think I was... 16 970 00:56:04.889 --> 00:56:08.710 turning 17, I went with Ross's brother, and I was 971 00:56:08.750 --> 00:56:11.969 there for about a year. I was still with them 972 00:56:11.989 --> 00:56:16.320 when I turned 18. I didn't leave them until March 973 00:56:17.880 --> 00:56:20.219 of when I was 18. I think that was 2024. 974 00:56:20.219 --> 00:56:30.239 And then when I left, that's when I met my grandson. husband. 975 00:56:31.039 --> 00:56:34.369 We've been together ever since. He's kind of been like 976 00:56:34.630 --> 00:56:38.170 my number one fan. You know, he's just sitting in 977 00:56:38.190 --> 00:56:39.550 the sidelines rooting me on. 978 00:56:39.570 --> 00:56:44.469 And people don't need to underestimate that person in your 979 00:56:44.510 --> 00:56:49.539 life because, same, people see me all the time. I 980 00:56:49.940 --> 00:56:52.059 got a dark horse over here in the corner who's 981 00:56:52.380 --> 00:56:53.119 keeping me going. 982 00:56:55.039 --> 00:56:58.719 I'm so grateful that you do have that cheerleader that 983 00:56:58.780 --> 00:57:01.929 person that is your person that's there for you because 984 00:57:01.989 --> 00:57:05.949 i think that just alone helps the tragedy and helps 985 00:57:06.050 --> 00:57:10.269 you heal from tragedy did did the police ever do 986 00:57:10.489 --> 00:57:15.570 anything about these allegations about any of this um i. 987 00:57:15.550 --> 00:57:19.349 Remember i had my caseworker i i don't know where 988 00:57:19.369 --> 00:57:23.869 or why i i don't even remember the process but 989 00:57:23.889 --> 00:57:25.719 i remember they just put me straight into dss care 990 00:57:27.309 --> 00:57:29.849 I don't know if they believed more of my mom's 991 00:57:29.889 --> 00:57:33.030 story that I was like a crazy psychotic teen or 992 00:57:33.719 --> 00:57:37.050 if they believed me, but there is record is in CPS, 993 00:57:37.239 --> 00:57:44.159 DSS records that allegations were made. And even people that 994 00:57:44.179 --> 00:57:46.599 I've told, they've called and like, Hey, you need to 995 00:57:46.619 --> 00:57:50.760 go check on her. Like these are serious allegations. 996 00:57:51.679 --> 00:57:54.659 So, well, I'm just thankful. You know, I hate that 997 00:57:54.679 --> 00:57:57.179 you had to go into foster care or group care, but, 998 00:57:57.909 --> 00:58:01.309 I'm thankful that you were there instead of being returned 999 00:58:01.349 --> 00:58:06.090 to that home where you would be subjected to future 1000 00:58:06.170 --> 00:58:07.309 abuse with this man. 1001 00:58:07.369 --> 00:58:07.630 Right. 1002 00:58:08.030 --> 00:58:12.090 And it probably would have escalated way more past what 1003 00:58:12.130 --> 00:58:12.829 was going on. 1004 00:58:13.530 --> 00:58:16.699 Oh, yeah. And it kind of breaks my heart a 1005 00:58:16.719 --> 00:58:19.880 little bit that they didn't take my brothers out, too, 1006 00:58:20.079 --> 00:58:25.940 because even though it wasn't sexual abuse that they were 1007 00:58:25.980 --> 00:58:32.050 experiencing— they're experiencing abuse like my brother wet the bed 1008 00:58:32.469 --> 00:58:34.219 all the way up until he was 10 years old 1009 00:58:34.280 --> 00:58:36.139 i don't know if he still wet the bed afterwards 1010 00:58:36.260 --> 00:58:39.579 but the last time i saw him he was still 1011 00:58:39.619 --> 00:58:46.639 wet in the bed so that also aligned with because 1012 00:58:46.679 --> 00:58:49.239 i don't know if you guys have ever done any 1013 00:58:49.300 --> 00:58:53.469 research on like early childhood trauma murderers how they grew 1014 00:58:53.690 --> 00:58:58.630 up like like Ted Bundy. I think Jeffrey Dahmer, he 1015 00:58:58.650 --> 00:59:01.019 was a bed wetter up until a certain age. There 1016 00:59:01.039 --> 00:59:03.300 was just certain, like you could tell they were raised 1017 00:59:03.340 --> 00:59:06.300 in such terrible situations that their brains went into, oh 1018 00:59:06.320 --> 00:59:09.380 my gosh, I'm gonna have to be this way for 1019 00:59:09.420 --> 00:59:11.840 the rest of my life for me to be able 1020 00:59:11.860 --> 00:59:14.429 to function like I think my brother he he's stuck 1021 00:59:14.489 --> 00:59:17.030 in this oh I have to bow down and do 1022 00:59:17.110 --> 00:59:20.190 everything for my mom like he's a mama's boy he's 1023 00:59:20.210 --> 00:59:23.409 a mama's boy I remember Ross would just abuse the 1024 00:59:23.590 --> 00:59:28.739 shit okay he would pull his ears it only takes 1025 00:59:28.800 --> 00:59:31.360 a few pounds to rip off somebody's ears and he 1026 00:59:31.380 --> 00:59:35.480 was picking this boy up with his ears like he's 1027 00:59:35.500 --> 00:59:38.349 he's a terrible man like he's he's abused me and 1028 00:59:38.369 --> 00:59:40.769 my brother and i hope one day that my brother 1029 00:59:40.809 --> 00:59:44.170 speaks out against it i really like those those couple 1030 00:59:44.190 --> 00:59:46.869 of years how i want weren't there to save him 1031 00:59:47.030 --> 00:59:51.050 and protect him i've I hope he speaks out. I 1032 00:59:51.090 --> 00:59:53.570 hope he tells people what he's been through because that's 1033

00:59:53.590 --> 00:59:56.190 what I'm doing. And I want people to know like, hey, 1034 00:59:56.210 --> 01:00:02.289 we've both been through this just in different times. Like, yeah, 1035 01:00:02.309 --> 01:00:04.090 my sister wasn't here to help me, but she had 1036 01:00:04.130 --> 01:00:05.670 to get out of here. She had to get out 1037 01:00:05.690 --> 01:00:10.110 of here or it would have continued. I honestly feel 1038 01:00:10.150 --> 01:00:14.739 like me running away kind of boosted everything into action 1039 01:00:14.800 --> 01:00:20.219 because once I ran away, that's when Ross's brother was like, hey, 1040 01:00:20.280 --> 01:00:23.070 I need to turn in this gun. Maybe start bringing 1041 01:00:23.090 --> 01:00:26.110 up this investigation again. We need to start because this man, 1042 01:00:26.690 --> 01:00:32.889 what is he thinking? These are serious allegations. And what's 1043 01:00:32.909 --> 01:00:34.909 so crazy is my mom and my uncle, they know 1044 01:00:34.949 --> 01:00:39.889 I'm telling the truth because I'm telling them stuff that 1045 01:00:40.150 --> 01:00:42.070 they already knew, but the only way I would know 1046 01:00:42.090 --> 01:00:46.170 it is through Ross. So they know I'm telling the truth. 1047 01:00:46.869 --> 01:00:50.409 So it's not like I wish... I had the words, 1048 01:00:50.570 --> 01:00:58.570 the correct words to use to explain how this whole 1049 01:00:58.610 --> 01:01:03.719 situation is. This whole situation isn't just evil. This whole 1050 01:01:03.760 --> 01:01:08.639 situation isn't just demonic. This situation is unbelievable. 1051 01:01:09.099 --> 01:01:14.820 It's diabolical. It's calculated. And I always felt like it 1052 01:01:14.840 --> 01:01:19.579 was calculated whenever those murders happened. I was in some 1053 01:01:19.619 --> 01:01:23.579 of the groups and Amy was as well. And I 1054 01:01:24.239 --> 01:01:27.460 was like, let's go have coffee. She's like, let's go 1055 01:01:27.519 --> 01:01:29.039 have coffee. And I told my husband, I was like, 1056 01:01:29.300 --> 01:01:33.260 I'm going to have coffee. He's like, with who? And 1057 01:01:33.280 --> 01:01:34.940 I'm like, well, this chick over here. 1058 01:01:35.820 --> 01:01:38.440 So did you actually have coffee with her? 1059 01:01:38.840 --> 01:01:39.360 No, no. 1060 01:01:39.409 --> 01:01:42.150 My husband forbid that. But we, Amy and I did 1061 01:01:42.210 --> 01:01:45.329 exchange some words. I, um, And. 1062 01:01:45.250 --> 01:01:47.630 You probably got a little bit of her wrath. You 1063 01:01:47.670 --> 01:01:49.510 see where she probably. 1064 01:01:49.530 --> 01:01:57.119 I could see where she was trying to be. I 1065 01:01:57.139 --> 01:02:00.800 don't really want to say manipulative, but you could see 1066 01:02:00.880 --> 01:02:07.019 the narcissism in the conversation. Like she would be rude, 1067 01:02:07.099 --> 01:02:09.739 but elegantly rude kind of thing. 1068 01:02:10.239 --> 01:02:12.289 Yes. That's the perfect way to describe. 1069 01:02:12.309 --> 01:02:12.380 Yes. 1070 01:02:13.380 --> 01:02:15.420 And I would just be like, honey, I'm not accusing 1071 01:02:15.440 --> 01:02:17.739 nobody of shit. I'm just asking a question over here. 1072 01:02:17.780 --> 01:02:18.820 So there's that part. 1073 01:02:19.039 --> 01:02:22.809 And she would always try to twist the narrative, too. 1074 01:02:22.869 --> 01:02:24.670 She'd always try to bring it back on you. Like, 1075 01:02:24.730 --> 01:02:27.570 it's your fault. Like, I remember growing up, it was 1076 01:02:27.610 --> 01:02:31.289 always my fault. It was always my fault. Nobody else's 1077 01:02:31.849 --> 01:02:34.900 fault but mine. I don't know if she just hated 1078 01:02:34.960 --> 01:02:38.380 me because I... I don't know if y'all know this, 1079 01:02:38.460 --> 01:02:41.320 but my mom actually cheated on her husband at the time. 1080 01:02:41.559 --> 01:02:45.840 Like my biological dad's name isn't Thomas. My last name 1081 01:02:45.940 --> 01:02:49.019 isn't Thomas, it's Owen. So my mom cheated on her 1082 01:02:49.079 --> 01:02:52.800 current husband at the time, which was, I don't know 1083 01:02:52.820 --> 01:03:00.400 if y'all saw Dr. Insanity's new video about her, but Neil, 1084 01:03:01.920 --> 01:03:04.739 which is one of my mom's ex-husbands, which is supposed 1085 01:03:04.760 --> 01:03:07.050 to be my dad, but isn't, but he's on my 1086 01:03:07.090 --> 01:03:11.010 birth certificate somehow. He called and was like, yeah, Amy 1087 01:03:11.050 --> 01:03:14.710 tried to stab me when we were dating and married. 1088 01:03:15.829 --> 01:03:20.590 That's all on video, recorded. I heard the whole conversation. 1089 01:03:20.610 --> 01:03:25.090 It's insane because it's just like, if she's been crazy 1090 01:03:25.219 --> 01:03:27.699 since before I knew she was crazy, she's been crazy 1091 01:03:27.719 --> 01:03:28.739 her whole life. 1092 01:03:29.019 --> 01:03:30.500 Did they put him on the witness dance? 1093 01:03:31.210 --> 01:03:33.670 Uh-uh, no, no. I don't think they did. But he 1094 01:03:33.730 --> 01:03:37.949 called up Anderson County Police Reports. Because my mom apparently 1095 01:03:38.010 --> 01:03:41.050 hit Neil with a bat. And he was knocked out. 1096 01:03:41.190 --> 01:03:44.230 And she tried to stab him. It was some crazy stuff. 1097 01:03:45.250 --> 01:03:47.590 I'll definitely send you guys the link. And y'all can 1098 01:03:47.630 --> 01:03:51.630 put it in the podcast forever. So you were married 1099 01:03:51.650 --> 01:03:52.800 to Amy previously? 1100 01:03:52.820 --> 01:03:56.440 I was her first husband. I believe she's capable of this. 1101 01:03:56.960 --> 01:03:59.539 I say that because while we were married, she tried 1102 01:03:59.559 --> 01:04:00.019 to stab me. 1103 01:04:00.559 --> 01:04:01.880 What brought on y'all's separation? 1104 01:04:02.099 --> 01:04:02.510 The fight? 1105 01:04:03.570 --> 01:04:06.409 Actually, that was one of

three fights. One, she just 1106 01:04:06.449 --> 01:04:08.210 tried to charge me, trip her and lay her down 1107 01:04:08.250 --> 01:04:09.809 on the ground, tell her not to come back after me. 1108 01:04:10.030 --> 01:04:12.429 And the other time was a knockdown dragout where I 1109 01:04:12.469 --> 01:04:14.489 was told she hit me and one of my friends 1110 01:04:14.789 --> 01:04:15.329 with a ball bat. 1111 01:04:15.550 --> 01:04:16.289 I don't remember that. 1112 01:04:16.570 --> 01:04:18.730 The separation was on adultery charges. 1113 01:04:18.929 --> 01:04:20.389 Did you get knocked out or something? 1114 01:04:20.690 --> 01:04:21.250 I blacked out. 1115 01:04:21.969 --> 01:04:24.230 Well, listen, Neil, I appreciate you calling in, and I'll 1116 01:04:24.250 --> 01:04:25.289 keep your information handy. 1117 01:04:25.989 --> 01:04:27.670 Do you remember being interviewed in. 1118 01:04:28.440 --> 01:04:30.639 Did they ever ask you to be on any kind 1119 01:04:30.679 --> 01:04:32.820 of witness stand or take any? 1120 01:04:33.719 --> 01:04:36.639 I've been interviewed twice. Once when I was nine, which 1121 01:04:36.679 --> 01:04:39.300 I don't really remember that interview, but I remember after 1122 01:04:39.340 --> 01:04:44.139 the interview, they gave me a sucker. And the second interview, 1123 01:04:44.159 --> 01:04:46.199 I was living with my aunt and my uncle. They 1124 01:04:46.239 --> 01:04:49.559 interviewed me because they just turned in this firearm. They're 1125 01:04:49.579 --> 01:04:52.360 trying to figure out like what's going on. And I'm 1126 01:04:52.400 --> 01:04:54.900 telling the police officers, they're asking me these questions like, 1127 01:04:55.659 --> 01:04:59.539 do you remember seeing like an orange pair? They said orange. 1128 01:04:59.599 --> 01:05:02.119 It was like orange or pink pair of shoes. And 1129 01:05:02.139 --> 01:05:05.889 I was like, I don't know, but I'm trying to remember. 1130 01:05:06.010 --> 01:05:10.130 I don't know. So they were asking me questions. And 1131 01:05:10.190 --> 01:05:12.469 now that everything's come out, I understand why they were 1132 01:05:12.489 --> 01:05:15.610 asking me this question. But they were asking me these 1133 01:05:15.630 --> 01:05:17.510 questions at the time. I told them as much as 1134 01:05:17.570 --> 01:05:21.530 I could. I told them about Roz raping me for 1135 01:05:21.550 --> 01:05:22.090 three years. 1136 01:05:23.199 --> 01:05:26.719 And Anderson County absolutely dropped the ball. DSS absolutely dropped 1137 01:05:26.739 --> 01:05:30.800 the ball. It makes me sick to hear you say 1138 01:05:30.889 --> 01:05:36.110 these things because once again, you were a child and 1139 01:05:36.190 --> 01:05:40.030 they failed you on every level. We see it all 1140 01:05:40.070 --> 01:05:42.570 the time. We talk about it on this podcast all 1141 01:05:42.630 --> 01:05:48.789 the time, how the things in place to protect protect women, 1142 01:05:49.070 --> 01:05:53.389 protect victims is the shittiest program across the table. 1143 01:05:53.909 --> 01:05:54.230 Right. 1144 01:05:54.670 --> 01:05:54.989 Right. 1145 01:05:56.340 --> 01:06:02.480 Yeah. It baffles me because if this, if I was 1146 01:06:02.539 --> 01:06:08.019 my own child, I'm sorry, but there would be body 1147 01:06:08.059 --> 01:06:11.420 bags and everything. Like, you said you did what? 1148 01:06:11.739 --> 01:06:13.719 Right, right, right. 1149 01:06:14.369 --> 01:06:16.469 Now that you're a mother, you know, you're like, that 1150 01:06:16.530 --> 01:06:20.010 is your life. That is, you know, you are their protectors. 1151 01:06:20.550 --> 01:06:24.510 So, you know, whenever you told Amy this, like, immediately 1152 01:06:24.550 --> 01:06:27.409 in her mind, she just immediately went into denial. 1153 01:06:27.820 --> 01:06:28.139 Right. 1154 01:06:28.360 --> 01:06:31.579 He would not do this. You're just being a dramatic teenager. 1155 01:06:31.639 --> 01:06:36.110 This is not happening. Exactly. But she wasn't elegantly rude 1156 01:06:36.150 --> 01:06:37.469 to you. She was probably. 1157 01:06:38.190 --> 01:06:39.670 Yeah, no, she was a bitch to me. 1158 01:06:40.329 --> 01:06:40.789 Yeah. 1159 01:06:41.730 --> 01:06:45.949 But what I think also influenced why she didn't do 1160 01:06:45.989 --> 01:06:48.210 anything about it is because they have some more dirt 1161 01:06:48.269 --> 01:06:50.119 on each other from 2015. So if they did this 1162 01:06:50.139 --> 01:06:52.369 crime together.... 1163 01:06:54.880 --> 01:06:56.480 If one goes down, they're going to take the other 1164 01:06:56.539 --> 01:06:58.940 one down. Exactly. 1165 01:06:59.219 --> 01:07:03.800 So it all plays together. My whole story plays together. 1166 01:07:03.820 --> 01:07:06.219 There's no way I would be lying about this because 1167 01:07:06.260 --> 01:07:07.219 it just makes sense. 1168 01:07:09.019 --> 01:07:11.340 And I know that they're probably not supposed to have 1169 01:07:11.429 --> 01:07:14.789 any kind of contact together, but obviously I think that 1170 01:07:14.949 --> 01:07:17.130 you think that they probably do somehow. 1171 01:07:18.070 --> 01:07:23.150 So I heard this from Pam personally, and she told 1172 01:07:23.210 --> 01:07:26.639 me that when they saw each other in the courtroom 1173 01:07:26.739 --> 01:07:28.699 one day, it was like when they were both in court, 1174 01:07:29.960 --> 01:07:33.940 Ross lip, like lip said over to my mom, I 1175 01:07:34.019 --> 01:07:37.199 love you. So I know that they're, I feel like 1176 01:07:37.420 --> 01:07:43.000 they're communicating through someone, not like directly to each other, 1177 01:07:43.539 --> 01:07:47.960 but they're definitely communicating. And I think it might be 1178 01:07:48.000 --> 01:07:52.820 with Ross's mother. That's what I'm really thinking because Ross's 1179 01:07:52.880 --> 01:07:56.369 mother is isn't part of the crime or part of 1180 01:07:56.409 -->

01:08:05.849 the family. So she's not... He can technically talk to her. Right. 1181 01:08:06.250 --> 01:08:09.230 Not part of the victim's family. So I feel like. 1182 01:08:09.250 --> 01:08:10.610 Well, they can do three-way calls. 1183 01:08:11.809 --> 01:08:13.190 Mm-hmm. 1184 01:08:13.349 --> 01:08:18.319 I'm just saying, I've witnessed that firsthand, so. 1185 01:08:19.850 --> 01:08:22.819 Yeah, I mean, even with all the, I've been seeing 1186 01:08:22.859 --> 01:08:27.260 a lot of bunch of Gypsy Rose stuff coming out. Oh, yeah. 1187 01:08:27.359 --> 01:08:34.170 I'm like, everybody's going crazy. And then, what's her name? 1188 01:08:34.350 --> 01:08:36.970 Not Lindy Clancy. It was the Christina Pike. 1189 01:08:36.989 --> 01:08:39.149 Yeah, Christina Pike. Too lethal injections. 1190 01:08:39.189 --> 01:08:45.399 Yeah. Close my mind. 1191 01:08:45.420 --> 01:08:47.060 She's listing all the things we've done on our podcast. 1192 01:08:47.079 --> 01:08:48.239 Oh yeah, that's crazy. 1193 01:08:49.300 --> 01:08:52.449 So Savannah, what do you think about the new bombshells 1194 01:08:52.470 --> 01:08:54.029 that have been dropped just today? 1195 01:08:54.050 --> 01:08:57.390 Now heading to Anderson County, Ross Velarde was in court 1196 01:08:57.430 --> 01:08:58.569 for a bond hearing today. 1197 01:08:58.770 --> 01:08:59.970 Ross and his wife, Amy. 1198 01:09:00.090 --> 01:09:03.189 Velarde, are accused of a quadruple murder that happened back 1199 01:09:03.270 --> 01:09:04.829 in 2015 in Pendleton. 1200 01:09:04.970 --> 01:09:07.550 A judge has suppressed the search warrant for the Velarde 1201 01:09:07.590 --> 01:09:11.800 family's single wide trailer. The state is appealing the ruling, 1202 01:09:11.810 --> 01:09:14.489 and now we're taking a closer look at what happens next. 1203 01:09:14.909 --> 01:09:17.420 Our Maya Payton was at the bond hearing and has 1204 01:09:17.460 --> 01:09:18.060 those details. 1205 01:09:18.180 --> 01:09:18.359 Maya? 1206 01:09:21.239 --> 01:09:23.590 Yes, you guys, you know the quadruple murder trial was 1207 01:09:23.630 --> 01:09:25.909 set to begin on Monday, but here we are now 1208 01:09:26.010 --> 01:09:28.729 at a bond hearing and a decision has not been 1209 01:09:28.810 --> 01:09:31.609 made yet on that. Well, inside of these doors here, 1210 01:09:31.890 --> 01:09:35.449 the victim's family spoke directly to the judge as tears 1211 01:09:35.949 --> 01:09:36.810 ran down their face. 1212 01:09:38.670 --> 01:09:39.229 The journey. 1213 01:09:39.909 --> 01:09:42.510 Ross Velarde is accused of killing four of his wife 1214 01:09:42.630 --> 01:09:44.369 Amy Velarde's family members. 1215 01:09:44.329 --> 01:09:45.949 Back in 2015. 1216 01:09:45.949 --> 01:09:49.189 Kathy and Mike Scott, along with their mothers, Violet Taylor 1217 01:09:49.260 --> 01:09:52.020 and Barbara Scott, all were found dead inside of a 1218 01:09:52.060 --> 01:09:55.680 home on Refuge Road in Pendleton. Well, back in February,

1219 01:09:55.960 --> 01:09:58.579 a jury found Amy guilty of all four murders. 1220 01:09:59.039 --> 01:10:05.500 We ask for justice, accountability, and the. 1221 01:10:07.050 --> 01:10:08.989 Protection of our community. 1222 01:10:09.539 --> 01:10:12.079 Recently, a judge ruled that evidence from a search warrant 1223 01:10:12.100 --> 01:10:15.500 for the Velarde's single wide trailer cannot be used in court. 1224 01:10:15.859 --> 01:10:18.979 The state is appealing that decision, which brings both sides 1225 01:10:19.079 --> 01:10:22.279 to Thursday's bond hearing. The state says Velarde should be 1226 01:10:22.319 --> 01:10:25.970 denied bond, highlighting his military background and the chances he 1227 01:10:26.010 --> 01:10:29.649 could flee, but also gave the request if the judge 1228 01:10:29.750 --> 01:10:30.350 grants bond. 1229 01:10:30.850 --> 01:10:33.930 We would ask that his passport be taken, Your Honor. 1230 01:10:33.949 --> 01:10:36.789 We would ask for no contact with witnesses or victims. 1231 01:10:36.869 --> 01:10:38.869 It's hard to say that somebody's a flight risk when 1232 01:10:38.890 --> 01:10:40.800 the state has said basically they don't have a case. 1233 01:10:40.979 --> 01:10:42.899 So why would you go running if you know that 1234 01:10:43.100 --> 01:10:44.220 they don't have a strong case? 1235 01:10:44.380 --> 01:10:47.300 Velarde's attorney says they were ready for trial, but now 1236 01:10:47.380 --> 01:10:50.039 may have to wait two years for the filed appeal. 1237 01:10:50.460 --> 01:10:54.060 He spoke on the investigation by Anderson County Sheriff's Office. 1238 01:10:54.079 --> 01:10:56.329 We had talked to former members of the Sheriff's Office. 1239 01:10:56.369 --> 01:10:58.210 We had talked to current members of the Sheriff's Office. 1240 01:10:58.609 --> 01:11:01.350 We 100 believe that this was a botched investigation. It 1241 01:11:01.369 --> 01:11:03.149 was done in an absolutely poor way, and I was 1242 01:11:04.289 --> 01:11:05.989 beyond excited to show. 1243 01:11:06.409 --> 01:11:08.689 He says it may be a bold assertion, but he 1244 01:11:08.710 --> 01:11:10.970 does not believe the case will ever be tried. 1245 01:11:11.270 --> 01:11:15.050 To file an interlocutory appeal, they must go on record 1246 01:11:15.109 --> 01:11:18.989 and tell the court, we need this evidence. Without this evidence, 1247 01:11:19.149 --> 01:11:21.600 we don't believe we can actually go forward. And that's 1248 01:11:21.619 --> 01:11:23.439 the only reason you can stop a trial. Remember, we're 1249 01:11:23.460 --> 01:11:25.680 supposed to be in trial right now. They chose to 1250 01:11:25.699 --> 01:11:27.399 stop the trial because they said, we can't go forward 1251 01:11:27.439 --> 01:11:28.220 without this evidence. 1252 01:11:32.659 --> 01:11:35.479 Well, again, a decision has not yet been made on 1253 01:11:35.520 --> 01:11:38.560 whether or not Ross Velarde will be released on bond. 1254 01:11:38.600 -->

01:11:40.520 Of course, that will come at a later date, and 1255 01:11:40.600 --> 01:11:43.640 we will let you know once we know. Here in 1256 01:11:43.699 --> 01:11:46.300 Anderson County, I'm Maya Payton, WYFF News 4. 1257 01:11:46.300 --> 01:11:50.060 Well, I definitely know that him and his attorney have 1258 01:11:50.100 --> 01:11:57.090 something planned. And I know that if he gets barred, 1259 01:11:57.829 --> 01:11:59.390 it's not going to be good for anybody. 1260 01:12:00.050 --> 01:12:00.710 Why do you say that? 1261 01:12:02.600 --> 01:12:08.090 He's a very dangerous man. Like, think about terrorist level, okay? 1262 01:12:08.609 --> 01:12:12.689 He's at terrorist level. Like, the things that this man 1263 01:12:12.729 --> 01:12:17.670 has told me, just, like, from his military experience and everything, like, 1264 01:12:17.729 --> 01:12:20.430 what he's had to do, he's had to kill children. Like, 1265 01:12:20.489 --> 01:12:24.470 he's had to literally shoot children with bombs in their hand. Like, 1266 01:12:25.510 --> 01:12:28.590 that shit, well, that would mess anybody up. Right. That 1267 01:12:28.630 --> 01:12:31.189 would mess anybody up. Just from the things that he's 1268 01:12:31.229 --> 01:12:33.869 told me, and he's so cold-hearted that it didn't even... 1269 01:12:33.710 --> 01:12:36.569 He was like, oh yeah, it was just a casual 1270 01:12:37.229 --> 01:12:40.739 conversation one day. Oh yeah, I killed a kid with 1271 01:12:40.760 --> 01:12:42.020 a bomb in his hand. 1272 01:12:42.739 --> 01:12:43.300 You're like, what? 1273 01:12:43.319 --> 01:12:47.359 That's not alarming to you. That's not... That's a child. 1274 01:12:47.640 --> 01:12:49.159 It's just a normal conversation. 1275 01:12:50.439 --> 01:12:54.090 And that's how... I'm not going to say every military man, 1276 01:12:54.149 --> 01:12:57.409 but I'm going to say the majority have a lot 1277 01:12:57.449 --> 01:13:01.560 of PTSD, and it It messes with them to the 1278 01:13:01.600 --> 01:13:03.140 point where there's no return. 1279 01:13:03.239 --> 01:13:04.529 Yeah, they're not the same anymore. 1280 01:13:04.550 --> 01:13:07.510 Do you feel fearful if he were to get out 1281 01:13:07.569 --> 01:13:08.029 on bond? 1282 01:13:09.010 --> 01:13:13.409 Yes, but I know that my family will be protected, though. 1283 01:13:15.520 --> 01:13:16.199 That's right. 1284 01:13:16.840 --> 01:13:20.979 Because we're definitely not going down without a fight. 1285 01:13:21.340 --> 01:13:23.520 How do you feel with the new evidence, you know, 1286 01:13:23.619 --> 01:13:26.640 not the new evidence, but this evidence possibly being thrown 1287 01:13:26.800 --> 01:13:30.039 out of Ross's case? Do you think this will change 1288 01:13:30.159 --> 01:13:31.479 his trial going forward? 1289 01:13:32.000 --> 01:13:37.500 I'm praying that if he doesn't get bond and this 1290 01:13:37.619 --> 01:13:39.060 is a deep question. Hold on. Yeah. 1291 01:13:39.119 --> 01:13:39.590 All right. 1292 01:13:40.050 --> 01:13:42.869 So the evidence that they have, I feel like is 1293 01:13:44.449 --> 01:13:47.869 enough to convict him. 1294 01:13:49.689 --> 01:13:50.109 I feel that. 1295 01:13:50.640 --> 01:13:55.069 It is enough because he's had a quick trip. He's 1296 01:13:55.109 --> 01:13:58.909 got the same ASIC shoes on as the prants that 1297 01:13:58.949 --> 01:14:02.189 were in the double line. How is that a coincidence? 1298 01:14:02.210 --> 01:14:05.850 That's not a coincidence. There's no such thing as coincidences 1299 01:14:05.899 --> 01:14:09.539 like that. Not that specific. Not. You know what I'm saying? 1300 01:14:09.579 --> 01:14:12.640 Like the same color, like the same everything about those 1301 01:14:12.659 --> 01:14:15.979 shoes that was the exact same pair of shoes. Like 1302 01:14:16.039 --> 01:14:18.699 they don't make other pairs of shoes with that same print. 1303 01:14:18.939 --> 01:14:19.840 Right. 1304 01:14:19.979 --> 01:14:22.340 And what size shoe? I don't know if they measured 1305 01:14:22.420 --> 01:14:24.760 the shoe print or not. But if it was like 1306 01:14:24.800 --> 01:14:28.579 around a size nine or 10, maybe 11. I mean, 1307 01:14:28.600 --> 01:14:32.199 that's there's no you can't. One thing is if if 1308 01:14:32.260 --> 01:14:34.579 it was the same shoe, but a different size, I 1309 01:14:34.600 --> 01:14:37.409 could understand. But if it's the same shoe and the 1310 01:14:37.449 --> 01:14:40.829 same size, that's not even a coincidence. That's the person 1311 01:14:40.869 --> 01:14:43.470 that did it. That you caught him on camera at 1312 01:14:43.489 --> 01:14:45.310 a quick trip. He's guilty. 1313 01:14:46.289 --> 01:14:50.130 And I feel like there is other evidence that is substantial. Oh, yeah. 1314 01:14:50.310 --> 01:14:52.989 And the bulk of that evidence, in my opinion, would 1315 01:14:53.029 --> 01:14:56.119 come from the crime scene. Not necessarily their single one 1316 01:14:56.159 --> 01:14:58.279 behind the crime scene, but the crime scene. 1317 01:14:58.880 --> 01:14:59.720 Right, right. 1318 01:15:00.210 --> 01:15:03.609 Because if you think about it, one, I know the 1319 01:15:03.670 --> 01:15:07.529 gun holster that was my grandma's had a drop of 1320 01:15:07.550 --> 01:15:10.130 blood on top of it. Right. So you know somebody 1321 01:15:10.149 --> 01:15:15.109 was standing over top of that. Okay. Who took the gun? 1322 01:15:15.210 --> 01:15:17.409 Where'd the gun go? These are questions that I want 1323 01:15:17.430 --> 01:15:20.890 to know too. So what I'm thinking is that they 1324 01:15:20.930 --> 01:15:24.130 took all of those clothes, the gun, everything they used, 1325 01:15:24.170 --> 01:15:26.170 they took it, they put it in a burn pile. 1326 01:15:26.489 --> 01:15:28.890 They burned it because we had a burn pit. A 1327 01:15:28.930 --> 01:15:31.130 burning pile in the back of your yard. I don't 1328 01:15:31.170 --> 01:15:34.770 know if police ever

searched through that. But I know 1329 01:15:34.789 --> 01:15:38.569 they would have definitely found evidence if they burned their clothes. 1330 01:15:38.590 --> 01:15:40.090 Because that's the only way you can get rid of 1331 01:15:40.130 --> 01:15:47.510 evidence like that. That quickly, anyways. They burned it. And 1332 01:15:47.550 --> 01:15:51.159 I know they burned it the night of. On Halloween. 1333 01:15:51.199 --> 01:15:54.520 They had to. They had to take everything off, burned it. 1334 01:15:54.939 --> 01:15:58.220 They probably left like, oh, we're hoping somebody... you know, 1335 01:15:58.260 --> 01:16:00.750 comes and finds them. Two days later, nobody comes and 1336 01:16:00.770 --> 01:16:03.550 finds them dead. My mom's going to be like, oh, shoot, well, 1337 01:16:03.590 --> 01:16:04.989 I'm going to have to go in there and find 1338 01:16:05.010 --> 01:16:08.310 them and pretend and call the police and say all 1339 01:16:08.329 --> 01:16:11.810 this stuff. That's 100% what I believe happened. 1340 01:16:12.050 --> 01:16:14.850 Yeah, because I remember watching one of your TikTok videos 1341 01:16:14.909 --> 01:16:17.310 when you were talking about the red sweatshirt that your 1342 01:16:17.350 --> 01:16:21.119 mom was wearing that you had never seen before. And 1343 01:16:21.239 --> 01:16:23.520 maybe that was at the point when she came home 1344 01:16:23.640 --> 01:16:27.010 and had, you know, evidence on her. and shed all 1345 01:16:27.020 --> 01:16:29.329 of our clothes and put that red sweatshirt on. 1346 01:16:31.029 --> 01:16:34.970 Yeah, so that red sweatshirt, Roxy, I don't know if 1347 01:16:34.989 --> 01:16:37.449 you know who she is, but that was my mom's 1348 01:16:37.510 --> 01:16:39.970 best friend at the time. She worked for the grooming 1349 01:16:40.010 --> 01:16:43.970 business Styles for Miles. They were coworkers at the time. 1350 01:16:44.689 --> 01:16:49.039 And I remember my mom gave Roxy a phone. After 1351 01:16:49.060 --> 01:16:52.600 Roxy gave her that hoodie and stuff, it was like, 1352 01:16:52.920 --> 01:16:55.859 I think after the police left, Roxy came back by 1353 01:16:55.880 --> 01:16:59.779 the house. Then my mom gave her a phone. And Roxy, 1354 01:16:59.819 --> 01:17:02.880 I guess, just took it. I mean, because that's your friend. 1355 01:17:02.979 --> 01:17:08.069 I don't know. Free phone. It's 2015. Phones and electronics, 1356 01:17:08.090 --> 01:17:11.069 they're starting to be more. They got more features to 1357 01:17:11.149 --> 01:17:12.550 it now. So yeah, free phone. 1358 01:17:12.569 --> 01:17:13.510 Yeah, what's up? 1359 01:17:13.529 --> 01:17:17.489 Thank you. So she got a free phone. Roxy never 1360 01:17:17.510 --> 01:17:19.850 deleted any evidence off of it. She never even turned 1361 01:17:19.869 --> 01:17:23.590 it on. So after that, Roxy turned that phone into the, 1362 01:17:23.909 --> 01:17:26.710 and that's how we got all those text evidence from 1363 01:17:27.149 -->

01:17:30.539 that phone. And it was a white Samsung. I remember. 1364 01:17:30.560 --> 01:17:32.920 So they did an extraction on the phone. 1365 01:17:33.239 --> 01:17:33.920 Yes. Yes. 1366 01:17:33.960 --> 01:17:36.640 They took everything. Even if my mom deleted everything on 1367 01:17:36.659 --> 01:17:37.319 the phone. 1368 01:17:37.380 --> 01:17:41.149 Yes. When you extract from a phone, you pull it all. 1369 01:17:41.710 --> 01:17:41.989 Yep. 1370 01:17:42.729 --> 01:17:47.140 So that's how they basically got incriminated. is because of 1371 01:17:47.180 --> 01:17:51.890 those text messages and because of the, I think it 1372 01:17:51.909 --> 01:17:55.329 was the $ 100 bill with the same serial numbers as 1373 01:17:55.369 --> 01:17:59.090 the one in my mom's trailer. It was kind of safe. 1374 01:17:59.890 --> 01:18:02.710 And I know my mom never organized her money. Never, 1375 01:18:02.909 --> 01:18:05.779 never in her life have I ever seen her organize money. Now, 1376 01:18:05.800 --> 01:18:08.810 when I went to my grandparents' house, Mike was always 1377 01:18:08.909 --> 01:18:12.930 organizing his money. That's my step grandfather, technically my grandfather. 1378 01:18:12.949 --> 01:18:15.869 I call him my grandfather because that's the only grandfather 1379 01:18:15.930 --> 01:18:22.939 that I know. So, but he would like pennies, quarters, dimes, 1380 01:18:23.180 --> 01:18:25.560 all in, you know, those little sleeves that you can 1381 01:18:25.600 --> 01:18:29.279 get from the bank. And he was very organized with 1382 01:18:29.319 --> 01:18:31.800 his money. And I know my mom never organized her money. 1383 01:18:31.859 --> 01:18:33.979 So that's how I knew. But when I got older 1384 01:18:34.000 --> 01:18:36.170 that I knew that she organized. She has something to 1385 01:18:36.210 --> 01:18:40.640 do with it. And I've been, I've suspected her having 1386 01:18:40.699 --> 01:18:44.899 something to do with it since 2021 after I ran 1387 01:18:44.939 --> 01:18:49.770 away because I didn't start reading all of these articles 1388 01:18:49.789 --> 01:18:52.909 and stuff. until I ran away because I didn't have 1389 01:18:53.050 --> 01:18:54.869 access to stuff like that when I was sleeping with 1390 01:18:54.890 --> 01:18:58.680 my mom. So, because when I was living with my mom, 1391 01:18:58.699 --> 01:19:01.079 I was more sheltered. Like, I can only have my 1392 01:19:01.119 --> 01:19:02.760 phone for a certain amount of time. I always had 1393 01:19:02.859 --> 01:19:07.859 something on my phone to protect me from certain websites. So, 1394 01:19:08.640 --> 01:19:09.640 I didn't know about this stuff. 1395 01:19:10.609 --> 01:19:12.890 And they probably didn't want you to look at anything 1396 01:19:12.970 --> 01:19:15.770 or get any information to look. And that's why you 1397 01:19:15.829 --> 01:19:17.050 were sheltered from your phone. 1398 01:19:17.750 --> 01:19:23.210 Right, right. And the other thing is, I think Ross 1399 01:19:23.270 --> 01:19:26.029 knew that I was telling people that he was doing 1400 01:19:26.050 --> 01:19:29.850 stuff to me because on my Snapchat, my mom actually 1401 01:19:29.890 --> 01:19:31.989 hacked into my Snapchat. It was saying all kinds of 1402 01:19:32.029 --> 01:19:35.670 crazy stuff about me trying to, oh my gosh, I 1403 01:19:35.689 --> 01:19:38.369 don't know if y'all heard about this post. But my mom, 1404 01:19:38.699 --> 01:19:42.979 she hacked into my Snapchat. She posted a bunch of 1405 01:19:43.279 --> 01:19:46.010 posts about, and even on my old Instagram, she was like, 1406 01:19:46.170 --> 01:19:49.710 oh yeah, she tried to rape her brother, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 1407 01:19:50.489 --> 01:19:52.489 And tried to spread rumors about me to people. 1408 01:19:52.550 --> 01:19:53.350 Deflecting. 1409 01:19:54.010 --> 01:19:54.569 Exactly. 1410 01:19:54.630 --> 01:19:57.229 Yeah, she was deflecting off of Rawls. 1411 01:19:57.250 --> 01:20:02.359 Exactly, exactly. So if it's not going her way, she's 1412 01:20:02.399 --> 01:20:04.439 going to make it go her way. That's the type 1413 01:20:04.460 --> 01:20:07.939 of person that she is. She's, she's, Like when I 1414 01:20:07.960 --> 01:20:09.640 was younger, she was scary to me. But if I 1415 01:20:09.659 --> 01:20:12.520 met her today, now, no, no. 1416 01:20:13.850 --> 01:20:16.750 When she was finally arrested, did you ever go visit 1417 01:20:16.810 --> 01:20:18.289 her in jail when she was arrested? 1418 01:20:18.810 --> 01:20:24.369 Oh, no. Me and her, ever since 2021, we have 1419 01:20:24.470 --> 01:20:29.300 never been on good terms. About that message she sent me, 1420 01:20:29.399 --> 01:20:31.140 I don't know what that was about. 1421 01:20:31.340 --> 01:20:33.159 Was that the only message she's ever sent you? 1422 01:20:33.949 --> 01:20:34.189 Yes. 1423 01:20:34.569 --> 01:20:34.770 Yes. 1424 01:20:34.810 --> 01:20:36.710 So that's a first message you've ever had. And that 1425 01:20:36.729 --> 01:20:37.750 was just recently. 1426 01:20:37.770 --> 01:20:40.819 I don't know if y'all have my mom's TikTok, but 1427 01:20:40.939 --> 01:20:43.859 I have it. And she posted a TikTok about me 1428 01:20:44.340 --> 01:20:47.550 trying to expose me. She called me a whore basically 1429 01:20:47.710 --> 01:20:52.859 in the TikTok because at the time. When I was 1430 01:20:52.890 --> 01:20:56.149 being raped by my stepdad, I had this other phone 1431 01:20:56.210 --> 01:20:58.810 that I would use to text other people. And, you know, 1432 01:20:58.909 --> 01:21:00.949 I was doing some stuff I wasn't supposed to be doing, 1433 01:21:00.970 --> 01:21:04.289 you know, as a teenager. Right. You know, I'm not 1434 01:21:04.310 --> 01:21:05.810 going to hold that against my mom because, yeah, I 1435 01:21:05.810 --> 01:21:07.029 was a kid. I was doing that. 1436 01:21:07.210 --> 01:21:07.890 That was bad. 1437 01:21:07.909 --> 01:21:10.310 I shouldn't have been doing that.

But that doesn't excuse 1438 01:21:10.529 --> 01:21:16.050 a grown man in his late 20s trying to rape 1439 01:21:16.170 --> 01:21:20.920 a 12-year-old girl. Right, right. That doesn't excuse that. So... Yes, 1440 01:21:21.119 --> 01:21:24.260 I have my issues, especially growing up. But I've healed. 1441 01:21:24.720 --> 01:21:29.020 I've grown way more than people have think. And I 1442 01:21:30.479 --> 01:21:34.510 pray and I hope that Ross's family watches this podcast too. 1443 01:21:34.670 --> 01:21:37.250 Because I know that they see all the stuff that 1444 01:21:37.289 --> 01:21:44.010 comes out. And I want them to know that no 1445 01:21:44.090 --> 01:21:49.350 matter what their son did, what Ross did, they're still 1446 01:21:49.470 --> 01:21:52.760 part of it. of my family to me because they're 1447 01:21:52.819 --> 01:21:55.239 raising my brother. Like, Brady is a big part of 1448 01:21:55.260 --> 01:21:57.880 my life. I love Brady. Even my twin brothers, even 1449 01:21:57.920 --> 01:22:01.319 though I don't know them as well, like, that's still 1450 01:22:01.340 --> 01:22:07.210 my family. And I know that Ross's youngest brother, that's 1451 01:22:07.229 --> 01:22:09.970 the one that took me in, I know he definitely, 1452 01:22:10.310 --> 01:22:14.750 if he sees this, I hope that they know that 1453 01:22:14.810 --> 01:22:18.350 I still love them even though that their son did 1454 01:22:18.390 --> 01:22:22.880 something terrible. Like, it's not their fault. It's just him. 1455 01:22:23.060 --> 01:22:25.539 That's him. It's not their fault. 1456 01:22:25.680 --> 01:22:29.899 And what that's, that's actually so beautiful to hear you say, 1457 01:22:29.970 --> 01:22:33.789 because that definitely comes from a place of growth that, 1458 01:22:34.489 --> 01:22:38.350 that is hard to do. And, and you've done that. That's, 1459 01:22:38.590 --> 01:22:39.430 that's amazing. 1460 01:22:39.989 --> 01:22:43.149 Yeah. It's taken a lot though. It's been many tears, many, 1461 01:22:43.170 --> 01:22:44.680 many years. 1462 01:22:45.300 --> 01:22:47.760 Um, That's a lot of inner conflict. You've got to 1463 01:22:47.840 --> 01:22:49.579 sort so much out. 1464 01:22:49.899 --> 01:22:50.180 Yes. 1465 01:22:50.539 --> 01:22:54.020 And find somewhere for it to settle in. This is 1466 01:22:54.039 --> 01:22:57.609 the kind of stuff that hovers because it's so big. 1467 01:22:58.170 --> 01:22:59.890 Right. Yeah. 1468 01:22:59.909 --> 01:23:03.069 But you're doing it, girl. You're doing it. That props 1469 01:23:03.090 --> 01:23:03.729 to you. 1470 01:23:04.090 --> 01:23:05.090 Thank you. Props to you. 1471 01:23:05.109 --> 01:23:07.529 Because I just wanted to kick everybody's ass for like 1472 01:23:07.529 --> 01:23:12.140 10 years straight. DGAF. I don't care. I'm coming for you. 1473 01:23:12.159 --> 01:23:13.279 I was like, mm-mm. 1474 01:23:13.859 --> 01:23:14.319 You are. 1475 01:23:15.060 --> 01:23:17.880 You're very shiny. I appreciate that. You're teaching this old 1476 01:23:17.920 --> 01:23:22.949 girl some tricks of, I don't even know. She's so 1477 01:23:23.029 --> 01:23:27.590 kind about it. That is beautiful. 1478 01:23:27.670 --> 01:23:28.310 It really is. 1479 01:23:28.449 --> 01:23:31.729 I'm telling you, Savannah, because I'm not kind about what 1480 01:23:31.810 --> 01:23:34.689 I've been through. I am the big F you chick. 1481 01:23:34.869 --> 01:23:38.689 I'm the big, I don't care if I hurt your 1482 01:23:38.710 --> 01:23:42.569 feelings because you have no clue what what I've had 1483 01:23:42.609 --> 01:23:45.569 to process to go through everything I've gone through. And, girl, 1484 01:23:45.590 --> 01:23:48.229 you're doing it gracefully. And I appreciate that. 1485 01:23:49.630 --> 01:23:50.109 Thank you. 1486 01:23:50.130 --> 01:23:53.289 I'm a little pissed off I'm not so graceful. Yeah, 1487 01:23:53.329 --> 01:23:57.350 we'll kind of get through therapy or something. I don't know. 1488 01:23:57.409 --> 01:24:01.329 Don't worry, though. Don't worry. Definitely, if somebody crosses me 1489 01:24:01.369 --> 01:24:04.109 the wrong way, there's going to be some consequences. I 1490 01:24:04.130 --> 01:24:04.970 know for sure. 1491 01:24:04.989 --> 01:24:07.930 Yeah, like there's still people that I am not going 1492 01:24:07.970 --> 01:24:09.850 to even with. You know? 1493 01:24:10.189 --> 01:24:10.380 Yeah. 1494 01:24:11.060 --> 01:24:13.779 Like you're so, it's beautiful that you're like, you know, 1495 01:24:13.880 --> 01:24:15.819 these people are, I still see them as my family. 1496 01:24:15.840 --> 01:24:18.479 They're still in your heart and it shows it's not 1497 01:24:18.539 --> 01:24:20.819 just what you're saying. I can see it when you're 1498 01:24:20.859 --> 01:24:24.329 saying it, that you're genuinely, you love these people. They 1499 01:24:24.430 --> 01:24:26.829 are part of your life. And they did step up 1500 01:24:27.329 --> 01:24:30.010 for you when you were younger and you just needed the, 1501 01:24:31.050 --> 01:24:33.939 somebody to believe in you. And I think that, I 1502 01:24:33.979 --> 01:24:36.039 think that you moved in their life too. 1503 01:24:36.979 --> 01:24:40.739 Right. And I have a lot of great family members, 1504 01:24:40.779 --> 01:24:47.390 you know, especially on, like, my mom's side and even 1505 01:24:47.930 --> 01:24:52.689 on my step-grandfather's side, like Pam and Jennifer. They've supported 1506 01:24:52.729 --> 01:24:56.479 me so much during this whole entire situation, and I 1507 01:24:56.500 --> 01:24:57.680 appreciate them so much. 1508 01:24:57.699 --> 01:25:02.319 Pam is beautiful. She is just... She is just, her 1509 01:25:02.420 --> 01:25:03.640 heart is so kind. 1510 01:25:03.920 --> 01:25:07.279 Yes, she's very, and I look up to that. Like, 1511 01:25:07.319 --> 01:25:10.720 when I see her grace and how she, even though 1512 01:25:10.760 --> 01:25:15.689 she still has that anger, but you can tell that 1513

01:25:16.050 --> 01:25:16.850 she's so sweet. 1514 01:25:18.470 --> 01:25:24.310 She is. She's a very kind, God-loving woman. Oh, yes. 1515 01:25:24.390 --> 01:25:29.529 You can almost see, for me personally, I never met 1516 01:25:29.789 --> 01:25:36.590 Mike and Kathy and Violet or Barbara, but knowing Pam, 1517 01:25:37.670 --> 01:25:40.550 it's like a gentle spirit kind of thing. And when 1518 01:25:40.569 --> 01:25:44.310 you talk about your grandmother and how wonderful your life 1519 01:25:44.329 --> 01:25:49.670 was because of her, I feel that talking to Pam. 1520 01:25:49.750 --> 01:25:54.729 She has that grace. She has that motherly hovering kind 1521 01:25:54.770 --> 01:25:59.180 of instinct. She has that I don't know that gentle spirit, 1522 01:25:59.460 --> 01:26:01.260 I guess is the word I'm looking for. 1523 01:26:01.279 --> 01:26:02.560 She definitely does. 1524 01:26:02.720 --> 01:26:05.140 And I feel like that's how Mike and Kathy and 1525 01:26:05.180 --> 01:26:07.899 everybody was like, I feel like that was just like 1526 01:26:07.939 --> 01:26:09.619 how her family was. 1527 01:26:09.640 --> 01:26:14.770 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Especially, especially I know me personally, just 1528 01:26:14.810 --> 01:26:17.109 from my experience, I know Pam and Jennifer, they could 1529 01:26:17.130 --> 01:26:20.289 speak on different people because they they've lived longer with them. 1530 01:26:20.369 --> 01:26:25.850 But me personally, my grandma and my great grandma, Violet, 1531 01:26:26.859 --> 01:26:29.739 Those two people definitely made a huge impact in my life. 1532 01:26:29.840 --> 01:26:35.090 Even my step-grandfather, Mike, he would sit down with me. 1533 01:26:35.109 --> 01:26:37.289 He would play video games with me. And I know 1534 01:26:37.310 --> 01:26:43.210 he sold a lot of games and Game Boys, Game Cubes, PlayStation. 1535 01:26:43.710 --> 01:26:50.579 He would sell any type of game, any DVD, VHS, guns, gold, anything. 1536 01:26:50.899 --> 01:26:54.579 It did not matter. He would sell it. And he would... 1537 01:26:55.010 --> 01:26:58.029 especially when he got a good game, he would definitely, 1538 01:26:58.090 --> 01:27:00.310 he would take me and, uh, he would sit me 1539 01:27:00.350 --> 01:27:01.750 down and we'd play it together. 1540 01:27:01.770 --> 01:27:04.029 You got to test drive the product. 1541 01:27:04.149 --> 01:27:08.069 Yeah, yeah. I think, I think, like, to this day, 1542 01:27:08.149 --> 01:27:10.369 I'm a big game girl. I love playing games and 1543 01:27:10.390 --> 01:27:15.279 I think that's all due to because Mike gave me 1544 01:27:15.319 --> 01:27:19.399 that experience. I appreciate that so much because I looked 1545 01:27:19.420 --> 01:27:21.800 up to him like he was my grandpa, obviously, because 1546 01:27:21.819 --> 01:27:25.359 that's the only grandpa I ever knew. But, Almost as 1547 01:27:25.380 --> 01:27:29.140 like a friend, too. Like, he was definitely a friend. 1548 01:27:29.500 --> 01:27:32.960 We were playing, it was Mario? It was a Mario game. 1549 01:27:33.479 --> 01:27:35.800 I remember it was so old school, but I remember 1550 01:27:36.300 --> 01:27:38.439 I had so much fun on it. It was on 1551 01:27:38.479 --> 01:27:43.229 a PlayStation 2, and it's just a time in my life. 1552 01:27:44.350 --> 01:27:46.229 I know those years I can never get back, but 1553 01:27:46.250 --> 01:27:49.430 it's the memories that matter. And it brings me so 1554 01:27:49.449 --> 01:27:52.069 much joy that I can look back on them and 1555 01:27:52.130 --> 01:27:55.130 think like, hey, I had this experience before. I need 1556 01:27:55.149 --> 01:27:59.359 to not take it for granted and appreciate it. Like, 1557 01:27:59.420 --> 01:28:00.500 I'm never going to get those back. 1558 01:28:00.560 --> 01:28:02.260 Yeah, absolutely. 1559 01:28:02.439 --> 01:28:04.479 Even the moments now that I have with my babies, like, 1560 01:28:05.020 --> 01:28:07.619 even though they cry, you know, they're young, I still 1561 01:28:07.640 --> 01:28:09.520 take in every single moment because I'm only going to 1562 01:28:09.569 --> 01:28:11.810 remember these moments. They're not going to remember these moments. 1563 01:28:11.829 --> 01:28:14.550 Right, right. That is so precious. 1564 01:28:14.609 --> 01:28:18.609 So Savannah, if anyone wants to get any more information 1565 01:28:18.750 --> 01:28:20.829 or get to know you better, is there a way 1566 01:28:20.869 --> 01:28:23.460 for them to reach out or to follow you somewhere? 1567 01:28:23.520 --> 01:28:24.359 Where can they follow you? 1568 01:28:25.010 --> 01:28:30.039 Yeah, so a good place is TikTok. My TikTok is 1569 01:28:30.039 --> 01:28:40.640 at S-A-V-V-Y-M-T. That's it. So, uh and then um if 1570 01:28:40.659 --> 01:28:42.979 people want to follow my instagram too it's the same 1571 01:28:43.119 --> 01:28:46.640 it's the same thing s-a-v-v-y-m-v s-a-v-v-y-m-v okay let. 1572 01:28:46.380 --> 01:28:47.420 Me see. 1573 01:28:56.149 --> 01:28:58.869 And I'll put that in the description of this episode, too, 1574 01:28:58.970 --> 01:29:00.909 so that if people want to follow you and keep 1575 01:29:00.970 --> 01:29:04.390 up with you and your precious babies, your beautiful girls, 1576 01:29:04.930 --> 01:29:06.829 they can follow you that way, too. 1577 01:29:07.109 --> 01:29:10.449 Great, great. I appreciate that. Oh, I think my Instagram 1578 01:29:10.489 --> 01:29:13.189 is actually savvy.mt. 1579 01:29:13.210 --> 01:29:13.689 M-T. 1580 01:29:13.750 --> 01:29:13.890 Yes. 1581 01:29:14.149 --> 01:29:14.409 Okay. 1582 01:29:14.449 --> 01:29:19.119 Yeah, and then my TikTok is. 1583 01:29:22.960 --> 01:29:24.720 I had to look it up real quick. 1584 01:29:25.560 --> 01:29:28.069 You weren't prepared to answer that question, were you? 1585 01:29:28.670 --> 01:29:31.210 No, I was not. I was not prepared. I was 1586 01:29:31.229 --> 01:29:32.029 just kind of. 1587 01:29:32.750 --> 01:29:34.930 Yeah, so if

you guys want to follow her on TikTok, 1588 01:29:35.010 --> 01:29:35.590 say it again. 1589 01:29:35.630 --> 01:29:36.489 What is your TikTok? 1590 01:29:37.489 --> 01:29:42.770 S-A-V-V-Y dot underscore M-T and that's for both my TikTok 1591 01:29:42.989 --> 01:29:43.930 and my Instagram. 1592 01:29:44.689 --> 01:29:47.880 Yeah, so you guys go follow Savannah. Give her some support, 1593 01:29:48.020 --> 01:29:51.399 some shout outs. She sure has been a brave young 1594 01:29:51.460 --> 01:29:54.729 woman and I hate myself personally. I am so proud 1595 01:29:54.810 --> 01:29:57.479 of the woman that you have become and the mother 1596 01:29:57.520 --> 01:30:01.760 you've become. And you are just a breath of fresh air. 1597 01:30:01.939 --> 01:30:04.020 And I am so glad that you came on to 1598 01:30:04.060 --> 01:30:07.859 share your story. I have goosebumps just listening to you 1599 01:30:07.939 --> 01:30:11.310 and just you are so inspiring to me. And you're 1600 01:30:11.329 --> 01:30:13.890 a young woman and you're inspiring and I have learned 1601 01:30:13.949 --> 01:30:15.909 so much from you today. 1602 01:30:15.930 --> 01:30:19.170 So thank you. 1603 01:30:19.210 --> 01:30:19.390 Yes. 1604 01:30:19.789 --> 01:30:22.289 I think in all the the chaos of the things 1605 01:30:22.329 --> 01:30:25.069 that have happened in her life. She still has that 1606 01:30:25.149 --> 01:30:27.590 gentle spirit. She does. 1607 01:30:27.909 --> 01:30:28.369 I love her. 1608 01:30:28.430 --> 01:30:30.210 I just want her to be my own daughter. I 1609 01:30:30.210 --> 01:30:33.949 love her. And I, you know, we barely even know you, 1610 01:30:33.989 --> 01:30:34.430 but I do. 1611 01:30:34.449 --> 01:30:35.470 I really love you. 1612 01:30:35.510 --> 01:30:37.640 And I care about you, Savannah. And I want us 1613 01:30:37.680 --> 01:30:40.079 to keep in touch. And I want other people to 1614 01:30:40.260 --> 01:30:43.439 be out there and supporting you. Please go support Savannah 1615 01:30:43.479 --> 01:30:46.399 and on her channels. Watch her babies grow. 1616 01:30:46.739 --> 01:30:50.420 We will definitely be updating this case as it goes forward. 1617 01:30:50.899 --> 01:30:54.699 And Savannah, she updates on her TikTok as well because 1618 01:30:55.239 --> 01:30:58.300 I watched one night, I binge watched every single one 1619 01:30:58.340 --> 01:30:59.199 of your videos, girl. 1620 01:31:01.239 --> 01:31:05.390 I feel like this is almost personal for me as 1621 01:31:05.470 --> 01:31:09.550 well because I have known Pam for so long and 1622 01:31:10.149 --> 01:31:11.850 it's really nice to meet you, Savannah. 1623 01:31:12.770 --> 01:31:14.489 I felt like. 1624 01:31:14.430 --> 01:31:17.430 I kind of met you when we played your recording 1625 01:31:17.710 --> 01:31:20.920 on our first podcast when we covered... Yeah, right. And four, 1626 01:31:20.939 --> 01:31:23.659 I came to Sherry and Pauline. I was like, look, 1627 01:31:23.699 --> 01:31:26.819

you know, my friends, this is this is her whole family. 1628 01:31:26.880 --> 01:31:29.279 This is their cases fixing to go to trial and 1629 01:31:29.319 --> 01:31:32.199 all this. And so we started talking about it. And 1630 01:31:32.439 --> 01:31:35.510 I had not seen your tick tock. I had not 1631 01:31:35.569 --> 01:31:37.949 seen your recordings. And I was like, oh, this little 1632 01:31:37.989 --> 01:31:41.789 girl is fire. I like her. And then you come 1633 01:31:41.850 --> 01:31:43.670 on here and you're so dang sweet. 1634 01:31:43.850 --> 01:31:44.149 Yes. 1635 01:31:44.800 --> 01:31:48.560 I definitely have toned down the cursing. I definitely have 1636 01:31:48.579 --> 01:31:50.420 toned it down. 1637 01:31:50.659 --> 01:31:53.529 I'm not going to tell that lie. 1638 01:31:53.710 --> 01:31:55.949 Yeah, I think Ben has toned it down on this 1639 01:31:56.029 --> 01:31:58.789 episode for sure. I don't think you even really cussed today. 1640 01:31:59.189 --> 01:32:02.069 There's babies laying there. I know I said shit at 1641 01:32:02.090 --> 01:32:04.750 least four times in a row when I was telling 1642 01:32:06.050 --> 01:32:11.279 a shit story. So, Savannah, is there anything that you 1643 01:32:11.319 --> 01:32:14.550 want people to remember about that are listening today about 1644 01:32:14.909 --> 01:32:16.029 your family story? 1645 01:32:16.510 --> 01:32:22.689 I would say, remember the Pendleton Four. Remember them. And 1646 01:32:22.710 --> 01:32:27.479 that is a hashtag that has been used since it's happened. 1647 01:32:27.859 --> 01:32:31.859 The Pendleton Four. All four of them were beautiful people. 1648 01:32:31.880 --> 01:32:34.960 I know Violet, oh my gosh, she was such, Barbara, 1649 01:32:34.979 --> 01:32:39.460 they were church going, loving people. They loved God. Like 1650 01:32:40.220 --> 01:32:42.189 when you got around them, you could feel their spirit. 1651 01:32:42.619 --> 01:32:45.920 Mike and Kathy, my grandma, my grandpa, they are very 1652 01:32:45.960 --> 01:32:50.239 sweet people. My grandma loved horses. She loved horses. She 1653 01:32:50.279 --> 01:32:55.310 hated getting her kitchen taken. I remember Mike and my grandpa, 1654 01:32:55.789 --> 01:33:02.229 he had this electronic cigarette. This was almost right up 1655 01:33:03.149 --> 01:33:09.069 until he died. But I remember he tried to stop smoking. 1656 01:33:09.939 --> 01:33:12.420 And he tried to stop smoking with the electronic cigarette. 1657 01:33:12.840 --> 01:33:16.060 I remember before he got the electronic cigarette, he would 1658 01:33:16.399 --> 01:33:20.539 be smoking on the back porch almost all the time 1659 01:33:21.079 --> 01:33:23.920 with those. I think it was like Paul Mall Reds. 1660 01:33:25.020 --> 01:33:28.619 The raw gut cigarettes. 1661 01:33:29.159 --> 01:33:30.460 I love it. 1662 01:33:30.939 --> 01:33:31.199 Yes. 1663 01:33:31.319 --> 01:33:34.750 And that's the thing was we got to remember. not 1664 01:33:34.789 -->

01:33:36.970 so much Ross and Amy, but we need to remember 1665 01:33:37.050 --> 01:33:40.810 your grandparents and your great grandmas. And that's what's important 1666 01:33:40.829 --> 01:33:42.729 to the story because they don't have a voice anymore 1667 01:33:42.760 --> 01:33:45.319 and we have to keep their memories alive and we 1668 01:33:45.340 --> 01:33:46.220 can do that through you. 1669 01:33:46.239 --> 01:33:47.520 Right. 1670 01:33:47.619 --> 01:33:51.260 I appreciate you guys. I appreciate you guys just talking 1671 01:33:51.279 --> 01:33:53.159 about the case because that means so much to me 1672 01:33:53.180 --> 01:33:57.100 because I've definitely tried my best to get my story 1673 01:33:57.180 --> 01:33:57.619 out there. 1674 01:33:58.689 --> 01:34:02.649 Absolutely. Our thing here is voice for the voiceless. And, and, 1675 01:34:04.270 --> 01:34:05.649 And you're absolutely right. 1676 01:34:05.810 --> 01:34:05.989 Yep. 1677 01:34:06.149 --> 01:34:07.819 And you are their voice today. 1678 01:34:07.939 --> 01:34:12.020 And Violet and Barbara, those are the people that this 1679 01:34:12.079 --> 01:34:14.619 story is about. And it's, you know, when we told 1680 01:34:14.659 --> 01:34:18.979 the story, our biggest thing was we don't want to 1681 01:34:19.010 --> 01:34:22.310 just focus on the end. We want to focus on 1682 01:34:22.670 --> 01:34:26.409 the beauty of their lives because obviously by talking to 1683 01:34:26.449 --> 01:34:31.270 you today, they, they were wonderful, very, very beautiful people. And, 1684 01:34:32.159 --> 01:34:35.260 And we appreciate you coming here and we appreciate you 1685 01:34:35.460 --> 01:34:38.989 sharing everything with us. I know it's hard. I know 1686 01:34:39.069 --> 01:34:41.430 it's a hard table to bring a chair up to, 1687 01:34:41.470 --> 01:34:45.029 but you have done it in the most beautiful way. 1688 01:34:45.409 --> 01:34:46.729 And we do thank you for coming. 1689 01:34:47.270 --> 01:34:48.460 Thank you guys for having me. 1690 01:34:48.680 --> 01:34:49.119 Thank you. 1691 01:34:49.159 --> 01:34:51.779 And with that said, Benna always closes out with a 1692 01:34:51.840 --> 01:34:52.739 positive quote. 1693 01:34:54.279 --> 01:35:01.520 And today's positive quote comes from Haruki Murakami. And once 1694 01:35:01.579 --> 01:35:04.300 the storm is over, you won't remember how you made 1695 01:35:04.340 --> 01:35:08.020 it through, how you managed to survive. You won't even 1696 01:35:08.060 --> 01:35:11.079 be sure whether the storm is really over. But one 1697 01:35:11.140 --> 01:35:13.859 thing is certain, when you come out of the storm, 1698 01:35:14.359 --> 01:35:17.100 you won't be the same person who walked in. That's 1699 01:35:17.159 --> 01:35:20.029 what the storm is all about. Y'all stay shiny. 1700 01:35:20.050 --> 01:35:24.930 You're coming on me, but I know that it's all 1701 01:35:24.970 --> 01:35:25.630 in my head. 1702 01:35:25.710 --> 01:35:29.220 Cause you're a god in me. 1703 01:35:31.279 --> 01:35:36.199 Yeah, you're gone, you're gone, you're gone And I was wrong. 1704 01:35:37.239 --> 01:35:39.920 Thinking you might come. 1705 01:35:39.300 --> 01:35:41.340 Along Cause you're. 1706 01:35:41.039 --> 01:35:46.630 Gone Yeah, you're gone, you're gone, you're gone But I 1707 01:35:46.689 --> 01:35:53.750 keep dreaming of why, oh Cause I'm in denial Yeah Now. 1708 01:35:56.909 --> 01:35:59.529 It's too late to regret it. 1709 01:36:02.829 --> 01:36:08.140 All the hurtful things I said And yeah, I know 1710 01:36:08.640 --> 01:36:12.300 I'm all alone Lying to myself cause I can't let 1711 01:36:12.340 --> 01:36:17.199 go Cause it's the hardest pill to swallow Knowing you 1712 01:36:17.220 --> 01:36:21.739 ain't coming back at all So I keep my hopes 1713 01:36:22.310 --> 01:36:27.510 up One day you'll show up Tell me that you 1714 01:36:27.550 --> 01:36:33.699 love me again I said I'm sorry.