النص الكامل لحلقة The Ochelli Effect 3-15-2024 Open Mic

off the edge of it. Okay, Well, there you go. 61 00:04:16.680 --> 00:04:21.000 There's your weather report. So how's all else doing there in the wonderful state 62 00:04:21.040 --> 00:04:25.879 of North Carolina? He was that North Carolina or South Carolina? Where Trump 63 00:04:25.879 --> 00:04:30.120 said, uh uh, the one guy is a MLK on steroids last week? 64 00:04:30.199 --> 00:04:32.680 Was was that your state? Or was that South Carolina who was mixed. 65 00:04:32.920 --> 00:04:38.240 Yeah, I saw Mark Robinson. He's running. He's the current lieutenant 66 00:04:38.279 --> 00:04:43.360 governor. He's running for governor. And uh, I mean he's he's big 67 00:04:43.399 --> 00:04:47.360 in the church, and you know, he's he has said some things that 68 00:04:48.319 --> 00:04:51.360 set people off on it, well, sets liberals off on edge, because 69 00:04:51.399 --> 00:04:57.160 you know, he's more of the traditional you know, man of the house 70 00:04:57.959 --> 00:05:01.000 that liberals around here just like to flare up over and complain about. I 71 00:05:01.000 --> 00:05:05.959 mean, he's not really said anything out well, he said some things that 72 00:05:06.000 --> 00:05:10.759 are questionable, not to have to look him up, but things about the 73 00:05:10.800 --> 00:05:14.560 gay community and this and that, and you know, he's more of a 74 00:05:15.040 --> 00:05:18.720 traditional values type conservative and that's what Well, the fact that he's black and 75 00:05:18.759 --> 00:05:23.639 conservative is enough to piss off liberals in North Carolina. That's all it takes. 76 00:05:23.720 --> 00:05:26.279 Well, and he's a hard Baptist, right, isn't he a straight 77 00:05:26.360 --> 00:05:30.959 up like hardcore Baptist. Yeah, And he's very active in his church, 78 00:05:30.000 --> 00:05:33.279 and I mean he's done a good job. I mean he's more of the 79 00:05:33.360 --> 00:05:39.079 physical conservative. Look, you know, let's worry about certain things before I'll 80 00:05:39.079 --> 00:05:41.959 give you an example. It took this state fifteen years of arguing in a 81 00:05:42.000 --> 00:05:46.199 Republican led legislature about expanding Medicare, and they finally did it this past year. 82 00:05:46.560 --> 00:05:51.000 But when it came to passing online sports betting, that was done in 83 00:05:51.040 --> 00:05:56.319 about two months, everybody was in agreement. So it just you know, 84 00:05:56.439 --> 00:06:00.720 he he, he has problems with the priorities that are leg here in the 85 00:06:00.759 --> 00:06:03.000 state has and I agree with them on a lot of it. But that's 86 00:06:03.079 --> 00:06:08.079 politics. Well, that's politics, and that's money because look when it comes 87 00:06:08.160 --> 00:06:12.480 to right, you know, legitimizing the gambling and then taxing it, you 88 00:06:12.560 --> 00:06:15.720 know that that's just free money that's going to come into the states. So 89 00:06:15.759 --> 00:06:17.720 who's going to object to that, Democrat or Republican? Right, I mean, 90 00:06:17.800 --> 00:06:20.079 unless they're going to take some sort of moral stance. But give me 91 00:06:20.079 --> 00:06:24.480 a breaker ready. With the gambling as a moral stance, I mean, 92 00:06:24.639 --> 00:06:28.319 you know what the complaint The complaints are more of a hypocritical stance. And 93 00:06:28.399 --> 00:06:32.639 that they'll a law, they'll allow fan Duel and all these other companies to 94 00:06:32.639 --> 00:06:35.959 come in and be approved for online sports betting. And the reason, and 95 00:06:35.959 --> 00:06:39.879 the governor said the reason, And this is funny. We got a Democrat 96 00:06:39.920 --> 00:06:44.759 governor that was pushing for this to get done before the ACC tournament that starts 97 00:06:44.879 --> 00:06:48.439 what next week, So you know, we're going through all of the conference 98 00:06:48.480 --> 00:06:56.399 tournaments right now and then AC seats or the NCAA tournament basketball tournament starts next 99 00:06:56.439 --> 00:07:00.399 week, so they wanted to get it done before that so he and his 100 00:07:00.519 --> 00:07:05.240 rich buddies could place bets no problem. But they have been slow. They 101 00:07:05.240 --> 00:07:09.920 have tied trying to open up casinos and things like that. Well, in 102 00:07:09.959 --> 00:07:13.879 fact, that was this last argument. They were trying opening up and approving 103 00:07:14.040 --> 00:07:18.480 licenses for three more casinos. I think it was three hooked onto the Medicare 104 00:07:18.519 --> 00:07:25.720 expansion bill, and some people that are real close to top legislators in the 105 00:07:25.759 --> 00:07:28.720 States said, guys, you know you're not looking at the optics of this. 106 00:07:28.839 --> 00:07:32.439 You need separate the two. Go ahead and pass Medicare expansion and then 107 00:07:32.480 --> 00:07:36.279 worry about the gambling part of it. So they did that and Medicare passed, 108 00:07:36.319 --> 00:07:39.920 So they've expanded it in this state, which is something they fought for 109 00:07:39.959 --> 00:07:45.399 the longest time. They definitely needed it though other than that, when it 110 00:07:45.439 --> 00:07:49.319 comes to betting, they're approving certain licenses for things, but they still haven't 111 00:07:49.360 --> 00:07:54.800 tackled the problem with video poker machines in the state. It's on a county 112 00:07:54.800 --> 00:08:00.839 by county basis. Technically they're against the law right now. Technically anybody running 113 00:08:00.839 --> 00:08:05.000 one of those businesses cannot pay out cash awards. So if you can't get 114 00:08:05.000 --> 00:08:09.600 cash awards, what's the point of playing. It's just a hodgepodge of things 115 00:08:09.600 --> 00:08:11.240 that are being enforced and not being enforced. And they're going, look, 116 00:08:11.319 --> 00:08:16.920 you want to put online betting, let's deal with local stuff and go ahead 117 00:08:16.920

--> 00:08:18.959 and legalize those things. So that's the next thing they're talking about is legalized 118 00:08:20.120 --> 00:08:22.439 video gambling throughout today. Yeah. Now, see that was a question I 119 00:08:22.480 --> 00:08:26.560 had ten years ago when I lived in North Carolina, is like, what 120 00:08:26.600 --> 00:08:30.120 the hell is the point of the poker machine if you can't pay cash? 121 00:08:30.199 --> 00:08:33.399 You putting cash in? And then I would ask questions. By the way, 122 00:08:33.440 --> 00:08:37.519 it seemed like a big secret. You know, when I asked somebody, 123 00:08:37.559 --> 00:08:39.840 you know, randomly in a place when I just walked in and they 124 00:08:39.840 --> 00:08:43.000 weren't familiar with me, I'd say, you know, how do you get 125 00:08:43.039 --> 00:08:46.679 paid? And they didn't want to tell me. It was like, what 126 00:08:46.720 --> 00:08:50.480 do you get like store credit? Well, how is that different? And 127 00:08:50.639 --> 00:08:52.960 oh, by the way, once you get a store credit. You know. 128 00:08:52.039 --> 00:08:56.080 I used to see this by the way in Jersey where they would have 129 00:08:56.080 --> 00:08:58.720 a thing it's like, oh, we're not allowed to award cash, but 130 00:08:58.799 --> 00:09:01.120 we can give you a store credit. Now what you can do is cash 131 00:09:01.200 --> 00:09:05.960 in your store credit. Se create an extra step, right, Oh yeah, 132 00:09:07.000 --> 00:09:11.320 we had one place here that gave away certain sized teddy bears, and 133 00:09:11.440 --> 00:09:15.000 they would when they gave you the teddy bear, it had a like a 134 00:09:15.039 --> 00:09:18.639 piece of paper pin to it, and the amount was worth, you know, 135 00:09:18.759 --> 00:09:20.200 just a number, like if you won three hundred, they drive three 136 00:09:20.279 --> 00:09:24.840 hundred on the post it notes stick to it. Well, you could trade 137 00:09:24.840 --> 00:09:26.679 in the bear for three hundred dollars, or if you won fifteen hundred, 138 00:09:26.679 --> 00:09:30.440 it was a huge bear, or it might be five bears, you know, 139 00:09:30.559 --> 00:09:33.600 at three hundred bucks a piece. There were ways to get around it. 140 00:09:33.639 --> 00:09:35.440 Okay, Yeah, so like theoretically you could just get a whole bunch 141 00:09:35.480 --> 00:09:39.240 of these bears and say that, well, you know, here, you 142 00:09:39.279 --> 00:09:41.639 won the bear, but we're willing to buy back your bear for one hundred 143 00:09:41.639 --> 00:09:46.519 bucks. Yeah, so we don't have to keep ordering bears. That's pretty 144 00:09:46.519 --> 00:09:48.399 good. Well, who's going to take home their bear? I mean, 145 00:09:48.399 --> 00:09:52.679 it's one thing to take home a casino chip, but I mean a bear, 146 00:09:52.200 --> 00:09:56.519 you know, kind of funny. I would cash in my bears before 147 00:09:56.559 --> 00:09:58.559 I left, you know what I mean? Oh, definitely, definitely yeah 148 00:09:58.639 --> 00:10:03.120 so, but it's just funny when you just see like weird loopholes like that. 149 00:10:03.679 --> 00:10:07.159 Any The bad thing is, though, is when they when in the 150 00:10:07.159 --> 00:10:11.679 counties that they enforce these rules. When they go in and bust a place, 151 00:10:13.279 --> 00:10:18.879 they'll bust whoever's they're running it. They'll charge them with operating a casino 152 00:10:18.039 --> 00:10:24.759 illegal casino they're not supposed to get. Most of these places, if you 153 00:10:24.799 --> 00:10:28.799 go in, they provide drinks and snacks for the time that you're there, 154 00:10:28.799 --> 00:10:30.960 because a lot of people will go in a house. Some nights I go 155 00:10:31.000 --> 00:10:33.080 in, I'll play for six hours, but sometimes it takes that long to 156 00:10:33.120 --> 00:10:35.840 get the machine to hit well. So it's like, you know, they 157 00:10:35.919 --> 00:10:39.759 say anything up to give you benefits of going in, and then talked about 158 00:10:41.720 --> 00:10:45.879 like getting around the smoking ban in public places. All these bars went to 159 00:10:45.960 --> 00:10:50.519 private clubs where technically you pay them a dollar for a membership. They give 160 00:10:50.519 --> 00:10:52.879 you a piece of paper with your name on it and their name on it, 161 00:10:52.360 --> 00:10:56.399 and then they've beaten the law because now they're a private club. Oh 162 00:10:56.440 --> 00:11:01.120 that's one thing the legislators did when they ban smoking in public places like at 163 00:11:01.159 --> 00:11:05.720 the mall and restaurants and things of that nature. Of course, they exempted 164 00:11:05.759 --> 00:11:09.759 their own country clubs from that because they're private clubs. Well, these bar 165 00:11:09.840 --> 00:11:13.000 owners said, hey, we play say Dan game. You know, well, 166 00:11:13.080 --> 00:11:16.240 we're on a private club. And because we're a private club now we 167 00:11:16.279 --> 00:11:22.759 don't have to meet the the percentage goal of food sales to qualify for a 168 00:11:22.759 --> 00:11:26.600 liquor license. So they kind of shot themselves in the foot when they came 169 00:11:26.679 --> 00:11:30.840 up with that kind of legislation. Yeah, definitely. So it's you know, 170 00:11:30.919 --> 00:11:35.120 it's a constant game here in this state until the legislature gets off their 171 00:11:35.120 --> 00:11:39.200 button decides on something. So we're hoping they'll settle the video poker issue here 172 00:11:39.279 --> 00:11:43.039 soon. I don't know, you know, it's one of those situations though, 173 00:11:43.080 --> 00:11:46.879 we're guaranteed if somebody's really raking in money and if you change the system, 174 00:11:46.919 --> 00:11:50.879 they wouldn't. Probably there's going to be some resistance. That private club 175 00:11:50.919 --> 00:11:54.080 thing is funny to me too, because just like you know, when you 176 00:11:54.120 -->

00:11:56.879 would go to like a Sam's or a BJ's, or whatever, and they 177 00:11:56.879 --> 00:12:01.279 could issue you, you know, a temporary member. Like That's what cracks 178 00:12:01.320 --> 00:12:03.399 me up, where it's like, well, look, you have a membership 179 00:12:03.399 --> 00:12:07.480 for the weekend. You know, even though we've never seen you before, 180 00:12:07.559 --> 00:12:11.360 We're going to make you a charter or trial member, so you get a 181 00:12:11.399 --> 00:12:16.320 trial membership. You know. The funny thing is, though, and I 182 00:12:16.360 --> 00:12:18.919 heard some guy point this out the other day. You've testified before Congress, 183 00:12:20.000 --> 00:12:24.600 one of the representatives from Texas and he'd been in the military, and he 184 00:12:24.600 --> 00:12:28.320 said there giving a speech and it was talking about voter ID laws and he 185 00:12:28.360 --> 00:12:31.399 made the comment. He goes, well, you know they say it's hard 186 00:12:31.399 --> 00:12:33.600 for African Americans to get IDs. He said, I got eleven of them 187 00:12:33.639 --> 00:12:37.639 with me and you know, whipped them out his military ideas, driver's license, 188 00:12:37.720 --> 00:12:41.720 a social Security card, blah blah blah, all this stuff. And 189 00:12:41.759 --> 00:12:43.799 he said it's ridiculous to think. He says, it's racist to think that 190 00:12:43.879 --> 00:12:50.559 black people are incapable of getting proper identification because you need it for everything. 191 00:12:50.000 --> 00:12:52.360 And if you think he made the comment, you got to have a card 192 00:12:52.360 --> 00:12:58.720 to get into two Oh what's the other costco? He said, you have 193 00:12:58.759 --> 00:13:01.279 to have card to get in Sam's club. He says, So if you 194 00:13:01.279 --> 00:13:03.639 can get those IDs, is I think it's quite capable of getting a free 195 00:13:03.679 --> 00:13:09.000 ID that's given out by the state and will actually mail it to you to 196 00:13:09.039 --> 00:13:13.559 be able to vote. Yeah, but you know, being that I am 197 00:13:13.600 --> 00:13:16.679 currently trapped in a situation where I do not have up to date ID, 198 00:13:18.960 --> 00:13:24.360 which is messed up because I didn't get the Georgia's state ID. And now 199 00:13:24.360 --> 00:13:30.080 I'm kind of trapped because I can't get a birth certificate or anything. I'm 200 00:13:30.120 --> 00:13:35.440 a little bit stuck. And this does happen to people on occasion where you 201 00:13:35.480 --> 00:13:37.759 know, after a while, if you're working the same job, you don't 202 00:13:37.759 --> 00:13:41.399 need to renew your ID. Nobody needs an ID. Maybe you can't afford 203 00:13:41.440 --> 00:13:43.360 a car, so you don't have a vehicle, you don't have a driver's 204 00:13:43.360 --> 00:13:46.360 license, you weren't in the military. A bunch of things go by, 205 00:13:46.440 --> 00:13:50.360 and your Social Security Card is not supposed to count

as ID, so you 206 00:13:50.360 --> 00:13:54.480 know, and I have that, but it doesn't count. And you know 207 00:13:54.559 --> 00:13:58.120 what I'm saying, It's like you can get into a situation where people are 208 00:13:58.159 --> 00:14:01.639 going to fall between the I'm not saying that's the majority of people. I 209 00:14:01.679 --> 00:14:05.559 think most people end up with some form of ID from somewhere that they can 210 00:14:05.679 --> 00:14:11.720 use the majority of people. But occasionally, you know, like myself, 211 00:14:11.799 --> 00:14:13.320 Like I said, I thought they weren't going to let me back on the 212 00:14:13.360 --> 00:14:16.840 bus when I was going to Dallas in twenty seventeen because I got off to 213 00:14:16.840 --> 00:14:22.080 have a cigarette and they wanted to check my ID against my ticket and I 214 00:14:22.200 --> 00:14:26.639 was like a problem, I don't have an ID. You can read here's 215 00:14:26.679 --> 00:14:30.960 my North Carolina ID. And they were just like, yeah, we can't. 216 00:14:31.039 --> 00:14:33.679 It's illegible. And I'm like, yeah, well that's all I got. 217 00:14:33.759 --> 00:14:37.679 You're not going to leave me here in Louisiana, are you? You 218 00:14:37.720 --> 00:14:41.200 know? Or it was it Louisiana or Mississippi. It might have been Mississippi 219 00:14:43.960 --> 00:14:46.279 anyway, one of the stops where I got to have a smoke on the 220 00:14:46.279 --> 00:14:48.799 way there. And I thought, you're a good example, though you have 221 00:14:48.919 --> 00:14:54.759 an issue that's keeping you from being able to get an ID in Georgia. 222 00:14:54.039 --> 00:15:01.639 And about that later, I think i'd talked to you about redoing your illegible 223 00:15:01.679 --> 00:15:05.440 North Carolina ID and then using that to get a joy ID. But regardless, 224 00:15:05.600 --> 00:15:09.279 you you're in a situation where you know you can't get a birth certificate, 225 00:15:09.320 --> 00:15:11.120 blah blah blah, you don't have a driver's license, so then you 226 00:15:11.159 --> 00:15:16.399 fall back on other things. A debit card. You know, technically just 227 00:15:16.440 --> 00:15:20.559 a security card is not supposed to be used for ID, but they kind 228 00:15:20.559 --> 00:15:24.080 of I think they took that restriction off a while back because now everybody uses 229 00:15:24.120 --> 00:15:26.960 it. I mean, that's how they identify you when it comes to credit 230 00:15:28.039 --> 00:15:33.320 scores and things like. That's off your social so you know you are denied 231 00:15:33.440 --> 00:15:39.879 one, But are you denied one because of a racist reason? And that's 232 00:15:39.919 --> 00:15:41.879 what they fought so long for here in North Carolina. They have fought every 233 00:15:41.960 --> 00:15:46.480 voter ID law that has come up with. And there's what thirty some on 234 00:15:46.559 --> 00:15:50.679 states that have them now, But in North Carolina, every time they pass 235 00:15:50.720 --> 00:15:54.720 a voter ID law, you've got these liberal groups immediately, even when they 236 00:15:54.799 --> 00:15:58.919 mentioned they're discussing it, they'll go ahead and file suit in the court somewhere 237 00:15:58.559 --> 00:16:03.799 and try to hang up using it. And my question has always been how 238 00:16:04.039 --> 00:16:10.120 somebody please explain to me and give me an example of how requiring an ID 239 00:16:10.279 --> 00:16:14.799 to vote is racist? And your objet to have anybody provide me with an 240 00:16:14.840 --> 00:16:18.000 example. Yeah, I don't understand it either, because Okay, my problem 241 00:16:18.039 --> 00:16:21.919 comes from a couple of different issues where I had, you know, paperwork 242 00:16:21.960 --> 00:16:26.039 that went bad and I don't have a lot of standard things because I'm not 243 00:16:26.120 --> 00:16:30.600 eligible to have a driver's license, right, and therefore it wasn't something that 244 00:16:30.639 --> 00:16:33.120 I maintained I did have an ID, and again I haven't had the need 245 00:16:33.200 --> 00:16:37.840 for it really because what am I doing that I needed an ID for? 246 00:16:38.120 --> 00:16:41.600 So I sort of just fell out out of you know, I fell into 247 00:16:41.600 --> 00:16:48.200 disrepair regarding my paperwork, and my original birth certificate was lost and that's it, 248 00:16:48.519 --> 00:16:52.080 right, So I tried to go get a birth certificate from New Jersey. 249 00:16:52.559 --> 00:16:56.440 Now they want my Social Security card but simultaneously tell me it doesn't count 250 00:16:56.440 --> 00:17:00.440 as ID. So I was like, well, I don't understand this. 251 00:17:00.519 --> 00:17:04.160 You wanted to back up my ID, but it's not ID, you know, 252 00:17:04.240 --> 00:17:06.799 And they're like, yeah, it's like a piece of mail. A 253 00:17:06.799 --> 00:17:10.559 piece of mail isn't technically a piece of ID, but it is something that 254 00:17:10.720 --> 00:17:14.720 goes towards your points for an ID. And I'm like, well, if 255 00:17:14.720 --> 00:17:17.519 it's part of what makes up an ID, then what's the problem, you 256 00:17:17.519 --> 00:17:21.759 know? Anyway, I don't know everybody's got different And here's the funny thing. 257 00:17:21.799 --> 00:17:25.200 Even though we have a standard understanding of these things, you and I 258 00:17:25.400 --> 00:17:27.319 and we might read the rules, we might read the law, we might 259 00:17:27.400 --> 00:17:33.000 read the whole thing. Right, you go to a different state agency, 260 00:17:33.680 --> 00:17:37.480 and depending on who you're dealing with in customer service, you get different results. 261 00:17:37.680 --> 00:17:42.400 I've had people get different answers for the same question regarding these things over 262 00:17:42.400 --> 00:17:45.400 and over again. You know, I got into that here when I went 263 00:17:45.440 --> 00:17:49.119 to a DMV about getting a real ID. Now, that's

something that really 264 00:17:49.200 --> 00:17:52.920 pisses me off. Back in two thousand and five, that came up with 265 00:17:52.960 --> 00:17:56.279 this stupid real ID act right now, to get on a plane domestically, 266 00:17:56.559 --> 00:18:02.960 or to go overseas or anything, or to get on a government base, 267 00:18:03.119 --> 00:18:04.559 like if I go with my brother he's retired, if I go with him 268 00:18:04.599 --> 00:18:07.400 on the base, I have to have a real ID or they won't let 269 00:18:07.400 --> 00:18:11.519 me on. Well, my driver's license is issued from the state of North 270 00:18:11.519 --> 00:18:18.200 Carolina, but it's not a real ID driver's license in that to get that, 271 00:18:18.319 --> 00:18:22.759 I have to show up with my passport and all these other things to 272 00:18:22.799 --> 00:18:25.880 prove who the hell I am. Now I've been driving in this state for 273 00:18:25.920 --> 00:18:30.599 a long damn time, you know, almost fifty years, and I've been 274 00:18:30.720 --> 00:18:34.720 licensed all that time. But now all of a sudden, like the last 275 00:18:34.720 --> 00:18:40.079 time I wanted, I had to renew my license with my new address before 276 00:18:40.119 --> 00:18:44.039 we went to Dallas. So I'm in the office saying, Okay, what 277 00:18:44.079 --> 00:18:45.160 have I got to do this? Oh, you have to make an appointment 278 00:18:45.559 --> 00:18:49.240 and you have to have all these items of identification and then we'll issue. 279 00:18:49.319 --> 00:18:52.720 I said, well, I've got to get a new ID anyway. Well, 280 00:18:52.759 --> 00:18:55.440 but you can't do it without an appointment, and we're booked up, 281 00:18:56.000 --> 00:18:57.680 so it's going to be at least three or four weeks before you can get 282 00:18:57.680 --> 00:19:02.680 in. And I'm going, this is ridiculous that I'm restricted in where I 283 00:19:02.680 --> 00:19:07.759 can go in certain boades of travel in the United States and not be able 284 00:19:07.799 --> 00:19:11.839 to use my legal ID. My North Carolina driver's license is a legal ID. 285 00:19:12.039 --> 00:19:15.680 It can be taken by any government agency. But now I have to 286 00:19:15.680 --> 00:19:21.920 spend more money and jump through all these hoops just to get a super special 287 00:19:22.559 --> 00:19:26.519 North Carolina driver's license. My license has got like five different damn holograms and 288 00:19:26.559 --> 00:19:30.720 everything else on it. It's one of the hardest apparently to be able to 289 00:19:30.799 --> 00:19:36.279 just duplicate. But now you've got to have the real ID because that proves 290 00:19:36.319 --> 00:19:40.279 that you really are who your real ID says you are, believe it or 291 00:19:40.279 --> 00:19:44.039 not, opposed to your regular driver's license, who you really says who you 292 00:19:44.119 --> 00:19:45.559 are. Believe it. It's ridiculous, yeah, believe it or not. 293 00:19:45.599 --> 00:19:48.200 One of the factors as to why I ended up on the Greyhound bus as 294 00:19:48.240 --> 00:19:51.680 opposed to a train, because I could have taken a train to Dallas, 295 00:19:52.680 --> 00:19:56.359 was that you needed a real ID to get on the train. Yeah. 296 00:19:56.480 --> 00:20:00.519 Now they don't require that for the bus necessarily, but you're we are supposed 297 00:20:00.519 --> 00:20:03.000 to give them some sort of ID and your name ends up on a ticket, 298 00:20:03.119 --> 00:20:06.759 right, But outside of that, it's not required that you have the 299 00:20:06.759 --> 00:20:08.960 real ID. But to use the train, it's just like a plane pretty 300 00:20:10.039 --> 00:20:14.759 much. So that that's what I was told by UH. I forget which 301 00:20:15.559 --> 00:20:17.839 thing it was or whatever. But they were like, you're gonna you know, 302 00:20:17.880 --> 00:20:21.119 we require proof of real ID, and I was like, yeah, 303 00:20:21.119 --> 00:20:23.759 I don't have that, so forget it. I had my scratched up North 304 00:20:23.759 --> 00:20:27.160 Carolina. I d back there in twenty seventeen. Still, so anyway, 305 00:20:27.599 --> 00:20:30.599 we do have callers and I know we're not going to spend the whole night 306 00:20:30.680 --> 00:20:34.000 on real id and stuff, but it is a point of interest. It's 307 00:20:34.000 --> 00:20:37.000 one of those things that keeps going on. And oh, by the way, 308 00:20:37.720 --> 00:20:41.799 did you see the legislature now or no, excuse me, not legislature, 309 00:20:41.799 --> 00:20:45.920 but the Supreme Court decision that says that, you know, political figures 310 00:20:45.960 --> 00:20:48.759 have to allow critics, they can't block their critics. Now. Did you 311 00:20:48.799 --> 00:20:52.319 see this? Yeah? I mean that all? Okay, what that all 312 00:20:52.319 --> 00:20:56.119 came out of? Well? Who was a Trump blocked and they took them 313 00:20:56.119 --> 00:21:00.160 to court to be able to I don't know, that's ridiculous. I don't 314 00:21:00.200 --> 00:21:03.720 know. Was it the Trump thing that triggered it or was it something else? 315 00:21:03.440 --> 00:21:07.599 So no, I think it was the Trump thing that triggered the original 316 00:21:07.640 --> 00:21:11.680 case. He blocked somebody, and somebody took him to court and they said, 317 00:21:11.680 --> 00:21:14.480 no, you can't do that, and then he went ahead and unblocked 318 00:21:14.559 --> 00:21:18.160 him or something, and then it got appealed. And so here we are, 319 00:21:19.839 --> 00:21:26.200 really does it matter? Does it really matter that you have a critic 320 00:21:26.319 --> 00:21:30.440 on a social media platform? All Trump has to do is make one post 321 00:21:30.559 --> 00:21:40.039 on on x formerly known as Twitter that and people go nuts. So does 322 00:21:40.079 --> 00:21:41.119 it. I mean, he's got enough critics out there, does it. 323 00:21:41.440 --> 00:21:45.400 He must spend all day. That's why he's up at three o'clock in the

324 00:21:45.440 --> 00:21:48.000 morning, send and text and tweets out it because he's up probably trying to 325 00:21:48.000 --> 00:21:52.119 block all the people that are talking crap about him. It could be. 326 00:21:52.440 --> 00:21:56.640 But the funny part to me is that, look, I'm thinking, you 327 00:21:56.640 --> 00:22:00.200 know, just much like we talked about with the with the bars and smoking, 328 00:22:00.799 --> 00:22:04.440 you would think that this is a private business, right, these these 329 00:22:04.440 --> 00:22:10.519 different platforms, Twitter, right, whatever, it doesn't matter. Don't they 330 00:22:10.519 --> 00:22:15.119 have the right actually to say what goes on on their platform in their business. 331 00:22:15.160 --> 00:22:18.440 I mean I thought they did. Why is the government getting out this? 332 00:22:18.680 --> 00:22:22.960 Yeah, it's a little A platform would be different somehow, they argue 333 00:22:22.960 --> 00:22:27.480 you whether it's public accommodation you know, is and people have argued, well, 334 00:22:27.559 --> 00:22:30.920 they're you know, if they sell stock, you know, to the 335 00:22:30.960 --> 00:22:33.000 public, then their public entity and they still need to but there's still a 336 00:22:33.000 --> 00:22:37.680 private platform. That was the big thing that Barry Goldwater didn't like about the 337 00:22:38.000 --> 00:22:41.559 Civil Rights Act is that, and he caught hell for it for years. 338 00:22:42.200 --> 00:22:45.559 But he was under the impression that if I'm a private business owner. I 339 00:22:45.599 --> 00:22:49.680 should be able to decide who I want to do business with. Now you're 340 00:22:49.680 --> 00:22:55.119 telling me that I have to do business with blacks or people of color, 341 00:22:55.480 --> 00:22:57.640 blah blah blah. Are you going to then start telling me that I have 342 00:22:57.720 --> 00:23:04.519 to do business with people connections to known communist organizations or foreign governments or this. 343 00:23:04.720 --> 00:23:08.759 So he had a legal stand saying, you know, this is the 344 00:23:08.799 --> 00:23:11.880 start of a slippery slope. If you tell me I have to allow this 345 00:23:11.960 --> 00:23:15.400 person in, then how long is it before you tell me I have to 346 00:23:15.440 --> 00:23:18.680 allow that person in? And yet I'm a private business owner. I should 347 00:23:18.680 --> 00:23:21.559 be able to pick and choose who I do business with. That was his 348 00:23:21.640 --> 00:23:26.119 only complaint, but he got called a racist for years afterwards because people wanted 349 00:23:26.119 --> 00:23:30.880 to fight the racist angle, not the legality angle. So, I mean, 350 00:23:32.000 --> 00:23:34.599 you know, that's forget that. It is a different thing when it 351 00:23:34.599 --> 00:23:37.960 comes to public accommodation because if you're a business out there, okay, now 352 00:23:37.960 --> 00:23:42.039 you're actually licensed and sanctioned by the state, and there is something to that, 353 00:23:42.160 --> 00:23:45.079 right, they can remove that sanction. Now you're not allowed to be 354 00:23:45.119 --> 00:23:49.160 a publicly accessible business if they wanted to. I thought that was the way 355 00:23:49.160 --> 00:23:52.559 it went. But you know, I don't know. That's that's how country 356 00:23:52.599 --> 00:23:56.359 clubs kept out people for years. They were private, yeah, businesses, 357 00:23:56.519 --> 00:24:00.839 they weren't public. So when you have a social media platform, is it 358 00:24:00.880 --> 00:24:07.920 truly a public forum? Considering you have to basically apply for the account. 359 00:24:07.720 --> 00:24:11.799 Can they deny you an account? Well they've closed down. Look what they're 360 00:24:11.799 --> 00:24:15.759 doing on YouTube. Look at what they're doing on Facebook. I mean they 361 00:24:15.759 --> 00:24:18.480 shut down accounts. Stay in the night. Maria Heller is still banned on 362 00:24:18.720 --> 00:24:22.519 Twitter, you know, right, So is it you know, is it 363 00:24:22.559 --> 00:24:27.400 truly a public platform? Well, you're selling stock to the public. Okay, 364 00:24:29.160 --> 00:24:36.559 but that's to still make you a public How does that make local lunch 365 00:24:36.599 --> 00:24:38.400 counter then work? You know, because they're not selling stock, it doesn't 366 00:24:38.440 --> 00:24:41.559 matter. It's irrelevant as to whether it's a public company in that way. 367 00:24:41.799 --> 00:24:45.680 Well, now that's the people that want to argue the public side of it. 368 00:24:45.799 --> 00:24:48.440 That's the one of their arguments. You're selling stock to the public, 369 00:24:48.480 --> 00:24:52.400 therefore the company is being funded by the public, therefore you should let all 370 00:24:52.440 --> 00:24:55.279 the public in, you know. So well, then you have to argue, 371 00:24:55.319 --> 00:24:59.920 Okay, where does public slash private actually take place on these as opposed 372 00:24:59.960 --> 00:25:04.000 to to the guy that's got the deli that doesn't want to sell to Iranian 373 00:25:04.039 --> 00:25:08.279 sheepherders. You know, you and I open up you know one of those 374 00:25:08.319 --> 00:25:11.680 breakfast joints, right, you know, one of those little little diners that 375 00:25:11.720 --> 00:25:15.200 only does breakfast in early lunch. Right. We do that, and we 376 00:25:15.279 --> 00:25:18.680 decide that we don't want to let certain people in. Okay, we make 377 00:25:18.720 --> 00:25:21.480 it into a private club, that's one thing. But if it's a business 378 00:25:21.559 --> 00:25:23.960 open to the public, then maybe there's a different set of rules. I'm 379 00:25:23.960 --> 00:25:29.359 thinking it doesn't matter if we're trying to sell stock. That's like completely irrelevant 380 00:25:29.400 --> 00:25:32.640 to the anyway. I don't want to go around in circles about it for 381 00:25:32.680 -->

00:25:34.880 sure, and I'm definitely not trying to re litigate it. We have a 382 00:25:34.880 --> 00:25:41.640 caller, and I don't have identification on this caller, so this is an 383 00:25:41.680 --> 00:25:45.559 unknown caller and we'll just put him on the air. So you're live. 384 00:25:45.759 --> 00:25:48.319 I'm not sure who you are, but hey, what's going on? You're 385 00:25:48.359 --> 00:25:52.960 live on the Friday night open mic. Hey, Yeah, you guys doing 386 00:25:53.000 --> 00:25:59.640 tonight doing? Okay? Who is this? It's Chris from Califlorida. Oh, 387 00:25:59.680 --> 00:26:02.039 Hey, how you doing? Chris? Sorry? I didn't recognize your 388 00:26:02.079 --> 00:26:06.119 voice right away then, and yeah, you're not. I'm trying to tone 389 00:26:06.160 --> 00:26:11.160 down the accent and sometimes getting away from me. Oh okay, cool, 390 00:26:11.240 --> 00:26:15.079 but there is an accent that I don't recognize as California. There there was 391 00:26:15.119 --> 00:26:18.039 a little little drawl there. Where's that from? You? Where are you 392 00:26:18.079 --> 00:26:21.079 from? South? Well? No, I live in Florida. I'm originally 393 00:26:21.119 --> 00:26:23.359 from Kentucky. Oh, k okay, that's why I'm here in the little 394 00:26:23.400 --> 00:26:26.640 Kentucky in there. Okay, got you? Yeah, I got to keep 395 00:26:26.640 --> 00:26:30.640 it at bay, you know, try to got you all right? Well, 396 00:26:30.640 --> 00:26:33.000 anyway, Chris, how you doing? What's on your mind tonight? 397 00:26:34.079 --> 00:26:37.079 I'm not doing to bed, just working on getting some seeds started for the 398 00:26:37.960 --> 00:26:44.119 I'm a little late to the spring planning planning season, but trying to get 399 00:26:44.119 --> 00:26:47.720 all that going. That's right. What are the what are you planting this 400 00:26:47.799 --> 00:26:55.079 year? I'll shore I tried to grow as much as I can, tomatoes, 401 00:26:55.240 --> 00:26:59.759 green peppers. I mean, you know, I'm I've been doing it 402 00:26:59.799 --> 00:27:03.039 for by eight years. But it's learning, you know, it's a I've 403 00:27:03.039 --> 00:27:07.480 still got a learners. I mean that's cool. Hey, look, it's 404 00:27:07.519 --> 00:27:11.720 always good to grow your own uh you know, and uh I I I 405 00:27:11.759 --> 00:27:17.599 love being able to when I can, but I've had some uh poor times 406 00:27:17.599 --> 00:27:21.279 of it since I've been in Georgia. Apparently I don't live in areas with 407 00:27:21.400 --> 00:27:23.920 very good soil, so I gotta I gotta do something about that. But 408 00:27:25.319 --> 00:27:29.200 I've tried to grow a few things here. You ever try to mix onions 409 00:27:30.759 --> 00:27:32.920 gardening. Well, I did a little bit of that, and then I 410 00:27:32.960 --> 00:27:34.680 tried to put it in the ground, and the ground just did not like 411 00:27:34.759 --> 00:27:38.680 it. And and plus I I got in on it late because I didn't 412 00:27:38.720 --> 00:27:42.759 realize that the planning season was a little ahead because of the uh temperate zone 413 00:27:42.759 --> 00:27:45.240 I'm in here, you know, in the south, in the southeast, 414 00:27:47.640 --> 00:27:49.640 and so I was a little off. And uh yeah, I ended up 415 00:27:49.680 --> 00:27:53.079 you know, I got some tomatoes at one point, and I had a 416 00:27:53.079 --> 00:27:56.640 neighbor that I helped out get some cucumbers going. But other than that, 417 00:27:56.960 --> 00:28:00.960 I mean, I really have had no success. And and uh, trying 418 00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:03.920 to plant onions I did not do well, which I was really surprised at 419 00:28:03.960 --> 00:28:07.240 because it used to be you can just chop off the top of any onion, 420 00:28:07.720 --> 00:28:10.839 throw it in the ground. You're gonna end up with some onions, 421 00:28:10.880 --> 00:28:15.920 you know. But it doesn't work like that so much anymore with the onions 422 00:28:15.920 --> 00:28:19.480 I'm getting, I guess. So anyways, so yeah, glad to hear 423 00:28:19.519 --> 00:28:22.759 it. Glad to hear it. It's always good when people grow their own 424 00:28:22.759 --> 00:28:25.279 stuff. That way, you know what was used on it, you know 425 00:28:25.279 --> 00:28:27.240 where it came from. And you know you're not getting you know, stuff 426 00:28:27.279 --> 00:28:30.400 from Guatemala that God help us, might have gone in the same truck as 427 00:28:30.440 --> 00:28:36.799 the pigs or whatever else you know, contaminated. That's how you end up 428 00:28:36.799 --> 00:28:40.359 with your salmonilla and your what is the what is that other outbreak? We 429 00:28:40.400 --> 00:28:44.319 get all the time now we are Ekala? Yeah, like, why is 430 00:28:44.359 --> 00:28:47.759 that in with your vegetables? Well, because it's in a truck with animals? 431 00:28:47.799 --> 00:28:52.880 Oh okay, not a good plan. But the workers, yeah, 432 00:28:52.960 --> 00:28:56.839 that could be too, because you know, if they're just copping a squat 433 00:28:56.880 --> 00:29:00.519 and doing it right there, who's gonna know until somebody gets sick? Right, 434 00:29:00.599 --> 00:29:04.400 Okay? Anyways, I'm sure that's not what you want to talk about, 435 00:29:04.480 --> 00:29:08.039 so uh but anyway, planting, so it's going good. You got 436 00:29:08.039 --> 00:29:14.160 some peppers and tomatoes. I love to hear that. Have you tried growing 437 00:29:14.200 --> 00:29:21.400 some garlic in Florida? Because that would be interesting I have. I'm still 438 00:29:21.680 --> 00:29:23.799 working my way through that. I'm still you know, trialing her. You 439 00:29:23.839 --> 00:29:30.240 know that I've done, I've done a last couple of years and try it 440 00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:37.599 rather than having yield just like you my you know, my soul conditions on 441 00:29:37.759 --> 00:29:48.240 ideal you know, I'm you called the beginning of the Calamasha forest. So 442

00:29:48.480 --> 00:29:52.640 you know it's a stand that's yeah, food soiler, so you know it 443 00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:59.759 would take me, take me you know good, probably a decade. Yeah, 444 00:30:00.960 --> 00:30:03.640 well, actually be a little plant in the ground. So most of 445 00:30:03.680 --> 00:30:07.759 my plants, you know on above ground Dettander's planet boxes that I built built, 446 00:30:10.079 --> 00:30:12.599 Yeah, that's probably I haven't had a lot of success with just like 447 00:30:12.680 --> 00:30:18.319 you with the onions or you had the garlic, right, I'm just I'm 448 00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:22.559 still working my way to it. What I grew accident ground plants, you 449 00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:25.240 know, Yeah, what I grew accidentally. I was going to tell you 450 00:30:25.240 --> 00:30:27.759 what I grew accidentally all over The last property I lived at was mint. 451 00:30:29.279 --> 00:30:33.400 I had mint everywhere. It just like went all over the place. And 452 00:30:33.680 --> 00:30:36.480 uh because it was you know, part of one of those combination you know, 453 00:30:36.839 --> 00:30:41.400 spice gardens and the mint dominated everything and ended up all over the property. 454 00:30:41.519 --> 00:30:48.559 Was hilarious. I just had mint everywhere, and totally unintentional. It 455 00:30:48.599 --> 00:30:49.680 was a Chris, you're breaking up a little, So I want to put 456 00:30:49.720 --> 00:30:53.279 you on hold and take another caller and come back around to you, just 457 00:30:53.279 --> 00:30:56.960 to see if it recompresses and we can hear you a little better because you 458 00:30:56.960 --> 00:31:02.119 were breaking up a bit. Okay, yes, sir, all right, 459 00:31:02.480 --> 00:31:07.119 Like I said, I'll come back around to you. Let's see. Now, 460 00:31:07.279 --> 00:31:11.599 I got another caller that says wireless caller. I don't know what's going 461 00:31:11.599 --> 00:31:15.359 on with these phone lines. Maybe I'm not getting the IDs anymore, but 462 00:31:15.440 --> 00:31:19.720 I was getting caller ID and this one just says wireless caller. I'm gonna 463 00:31:19.799 --> 00:31:25.559 guess it's Harlan, but I can't tell. Let's see if my guess is 464 00:31:25.599 --> 00:31:30.599 correct, is that you Harlan? That's right? There, we go go 465 00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:33.039 where he is. Let's last seven for the day. I go ahead, 466 00:31:33.519 --> 00:31:37.440 glad to hear from you, Harland. But again, you're an unidentified wireless 467 00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:41.799 caller, which is weird because I used to be able to identify you. 468 00:31:41.839 --> 00:31:45.039 So I don't know what's going on with the phones. But anyway, what's 469 00:31:45.079 --> 00:31:51.279 on your mind tonight? Man? Not much nothing. I just got them 470 00:31:51.279 --> 00:31:53.720 will say, you know what kind of drama in the world you boys have 471 00:31:53.799 --> 00:31:59.079 stirred up? See what was going on? I've been howering at it out 472 00:31:59.079 --> 00:32:01.400 all day. Well, look, no big drama so far. We covered 473 00:32:01.640 --> 00:32:07.759 a few things about the annoyance of real id and uh and that's about it, 474 00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:12.559 and talked about planting stuff with Chris for a minute. But we're totally 475 00:32:12.599 --> 00:32:15.839 open to whatever's on your mind. I mean you you're getting all caught up 476 00:32:15.880 --> 00:32:21.319 in uh in something recent here? Is there something new? Uh? Did 477 00:32:21.319 --> 00:32:27.240 you check out Tucker Carlson talking to Chris Cuomo about the two guys who had 478 00:32:27.279 --> 00:32:30.680 formerly worked for CNN and Cuomo is supposedly gonna go after him for his footin 479 00:32:30.759 --> 00:32:34.799 interview, and the two of them are just sitting there giggling together. You 480 00:32:34.799 --> 00:32:39.039 know, two former CNN employees, although you know one of them works for 481 00:32:39.079 --> 00:32:44.240 News Nation now and the other one is the independent hero of the off community 482 00:32:44.839 --> 00:32:49.279 at this point, Tucker Carlson, I don't know you got that on your 483 00:32:49.279 --> 00:32:51.759 mind. You got something else going on. You got news for us? 484 00:32:51.799 --> 00:32:58.000 What's what's up? That must have been what Don Jefferies and Angry Tiger was 485 00:32:58.039 --> 00:33:02.359 talking about I believe it was just yeah, I believe it was Thursday. 486 00:33:04.200 --> 00:33:07.839 They had like a SAMA cast and they was talking about Tucker and you know 487 00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:13.039 it mentioned about you know, who's going on whose platform. So I'm assuming 488 00:33:13.079 --> 00:33:16.960 that this interview you're talking about has been put out in the last few days. 489 00:33:17.240 --> 00:33:23.559 Yeah, yeah, two days, two days ask that, Okay, 490 00:33:25.039 --> 00:33:28.880 Yeah, it's it's just been you know, drive and go to sleep and 491 00:33:28.920 --> 00:33:35.039 get up and drive. You know, this week I caught Tiger's show We'll 492 00:33:35.119 --> 00:33:37.519 None on the other day, and that's that's pretty much been there. I've 493 00:33:37.559 --> 00:33:43.319 not really looked around a lot of the news this week. Yeah, it's 494 00:33:43.319 --> 00:33:46.400 been kind of a slow week in my mind, you know, except for 495 00:33:46.440 --> 00:33:51.359 some of the weird tech news and stuff. I did get a copy of 496 00:33:51.359 --> 00:33:53.240 a book, by the way, uh, just recent in the mail. 497 00:33:53.279 --> 00:33:58.279 I guess it came out on the eighth of the month. Weird combination of 498 00:33:58.319 --> 00:34:01.519 authors be Pete on this one, the Final Analysis. Okay is the name 499 00:34:01.559 --> 00:34:05.839 of the book. It's a jfk Assassination book. You're ready for. The 500 00:34:05.839 --> 00:34:14.360 co authors on this David W. Mantick and Jerome Corsy writing together. So 501 00:34:15.119

--> 00:34:19.400 and I wrote to doctor Mantick and when when I got you know, noticed 502 00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:21.719 that this book had came out on the eighth. I wrote to him and 503 00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:24.039 I said, uh, listen, I got one question for you, and 504 00:34:24.079 --> 00:34:28.320 don't take offense. Why in the hell did you decide to co author a 505 00:34:28.320 --> 00:34:31.599 book with Jerome Corsi? And he gave me an answer, and we're going 506 00:34:31.679 --> 00:34:37.119 to do an interview pretty soon, me and doctor Mantick. But I got 507 00:34:37.199 --> 00:34:42.360 the book in my hands yesterday, so it's sitting right in front of me. 508 00:34:42.400 --> 00:34:45.480 I just figured i'd bring that up, because you know, I don't 509 00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:49.440 I don't understand Coursey. He at one time he put out a lot of 510 00:34:49.480 --> 00:34:53.000 good work. He did a lot of investigative stuff. He was connected with, 511 00:34:53.239 --> 00:35:00.800 Uh was it David Sarah in his website back late nineties? Hell what 512 00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:04.239 the name of it was, I'll look it up. Anyway, he did 513 00:35:04.320 --> 00:35:12.119 good Oh yeah, World News Daily. And he somewhere he took a turn, 514 00:35:12.360 --> 00:35:17.480 and when I saw him saddled up with Ralph sin Kay, I thought, 515 00:35:17.559 --> 00:35:22.480 what the hell has gone wrong with this guy? And since then I've 516 00:35:22.519 --> 00:35:24.119 totally written off course, you haven't read a damn thing he's written, and 517 00:35:24.159 --> 00:35:29.519 don't care too. Yeah. See, now you and I share this opinion, 518 00:35:29.800 --> 00:35:32.079 and that's why I was like, and I appreciate Mantic and and a 519 00:35:32.119 --> 00:35:36.440 lot of the work he's done. Totally missed that he released a book a 520 00:35:36.440 --> 00:35:42.119 couple of years ago on the Kennedy assassination because Mantic's work I've always read as 521 00:35:42.199 --> 00:35:45.719 part of somebody else's release or big articles, you know, stuff like his 522 00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:52.519 first big his first big outing was when he was connected with Fetzer I first 523 00:35:52.519 --> 00:35:57.400 book, right Assassination Science. I think was it right? Well? Yeah, 524 00:35:57.559 --> 00:36:00.880 yeah, and he was also I think he might have been a murder 525 00:36:00.880 --> 00:36:05.719 in Dealy Plaza as well. But he's contributed to other people's works, and 526 00:36:06.159 --> 00:36:09.199 a couple of years ago he released a book and I didn't I totally missed 527 00:36:09.239 --> 00:36:14.519 it on my radar. I'm apparently going to have a copy of it shortly. 528 00:36:15.199 --> 00:36:19.440 And this new publisher that Mantick is with, you know, as graciously 529 00:36:20.199 --> 00:36:24.079 made contact with me and I'll see about other authors they carry. But it's 530 00:36:24.400 --> 00:36:30.719 it's fascinating to me that Mantick is not getting the

big attention for his book 531 00:36:30.360 --> 00:36:36.159 and he's still a valued presenter. So I'm wondering, you know, I 532 00:36:36.239 --> 00:36:39.360 don't, well, how much of that is people dismissing some of his earlier 533 00:36:39.440 --> 00:36:44.199 work because of him being connected to people like Thatcher. Yeah. See, 534 00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:46.039 ultimately, that's my question, and believe me, I'm going to ask him 535 00:36:46.079 --> 00:36:49.440 stuff like this on the show. I don't know if he's going to get 536 00:36:49.440 --> 00:36:52.119 offended or not, but I want to know because you know, Mantick has 537 00:36:52.159 --> 00:36:58.079 done some actual, you know, scientifically based research and examination alnot. He's 538 00:36:58.079 --> 00:37:02.960 the one that first questioned the the X rays thought yeah, yeah, because 539 00:37:02.960 --> 00:37:06.800 of the white patch in the back of the head. And he went to 540 00:37:06.840 --> 00:37:12.679 the National Archives and actually ran tests on the X rays themselves, you know. 541 00:37:12.760 --> 00:37:15.840 And I'm not saying that I endorse his work. I'm just saying that 542 00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:22.760 there was actual work done, you know. Yeah, amazing. Go ahead, 543 00:37:22.760 --> 00:37:27.880 Harley, Good Harley. I'm just gonna throw a quick question after if 544 00:37:27.920 --> 00:37:32.760 I'm not mistaken. Didn't back here four or five, six years ago, 545 00:37:32.880 --> 00:37:40.400 didn't of course you go just all in wholesale qnon Yeah, remember that correctly. 546 00:37:40.599 --> 00:37:44.199 Yeah, he did. See that's the thing. Course he fell into 547 00:37:44.440 --> 00:37:50.039 a weird nexus of stuff after he got hooked up with Ralphson K which is 548 00:37:50.079 --> 00:37:52.159 a minor thing. B Pete. Next thing, you know is course he 549 00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:57.159 was real prominent with Alex Jones, I mean super when he looked up, 550 00:37:57.199 --> 00:38:00.360 But he was with Alex Jones before he looked up with k It was through 551 00:38:00.440 --> 00:38:04.159 Alex Jones. And that's what surprised me. I thought, you know, 552 00:38:04.760 --> 00:38:09.639 Alex Jones is actually given ten minutes of time to Ralph sing Kay and I 553 00:38:09.679 --> 00:38:13.719 think so Jeron Corsey is the one that interviewed him, and I thought this, 554 00:38:14.159 --> 00:38:17.159 I wonder if he Jones even knows what Corsey's doing well. But that's 555 00:38:17.199 --> 00:38:22.360 the thing is course, he was part of the Jones thing for a while. 556 00:38:22.519 --> 00:38:24.360 But when he got real, like a whole lot more prominent. I 557 00:38:24.360 --> 00:38:28.880 think they even gave him his own show for a bit and stuff like that. 558 00:38:30.199 --> 00:38:34.119 He started doing more work and expanded to work with some other people, 559 00:38:34.159 --> 00:38:37.159 and it got weird. He was all of a sudden q A non he 560 00:38:37.280 --> 00:38:39.119 was. I think he was all in on Sandy Hook even. I mean, 561 00:38:39.800 --> 00:38:44.920 didn't he buy in on the Obama Bertha crap? I think so. 562 00:38:45.079 --> 00:38:49.440 I think that's where that may have been where he took his bent and he 563 00:38:49.559 --> 00:38:52.960 just went out spiraled off out of control, right. And then the next 564 00:38:52.000 --> 00:38:54.079 thing, you know is he was one of the people that was willing to 565 00:38:54.119 --> 00:38:59.800 apologize during some of these lawsuits and stuff like that, and he was complaining 566 00:38:59.840 --> 00:39:04.079 that. I think he was complaining that people were going after him because of 567 00:39:04.119 --> 00:39:08.760 some QA non stuff and I mean weird things and so. But that's why 568 00:39:08.800 --> 00:39:13.119 I find it odd, because I mean, I've had private conversations with Mantic 569 00:39:13.159 --> 00:39:16.199 before. And even though you know, you might have seen Mantic on The 570 00:39:16.199 --> 00:39:21.679 Men Who Killed Kennedy the last episodes there he comes on and talks about a 571 00:39:21.679 --> 00:39:25.360 few things, same episodes I think where you see Gary Aguilar on there, 572 00:39:25.440 --> 00:39:32.239 right, And Mantic has done again fascinating presentations in person stuff at the WET 573 00:39:32.239 --> 00:39:37.440 conference in two thousand and three, I think, either twenty and three or 574 00:39:37.480 --> 00:39:43.960 twenty thirteen. Always responsibly conducted stuff, real research, actual documents, going 575 00:39:44.000 --> 00:39:47.239 to the National Archives, things like this, And you don't expect him to 576 00:39:47.280 --> 00:39:52.039 be hooked up with Corsey in my mind, you know, no matter what 577 00:39:52.119 --> 00:39:55.039 point in course his career you're talking about. So it's it's a weird thing 578 00:39:55.280 --> 00:39:59.840 to me. And you know, in fairness, I haven't read the book 579 00:39:59.880 --> 00:40:04.199 yet, and I'm trying not to be judgmental here and giving another look at 580 00:40:04.280 --> 00:40:07.719 Jerome COURSI only because David Mantick decided to co author with him. I don't 581 00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:15.559 know how that's gonna turn out, but I guess we'll see it. Yeah, 582 00:40:15.599 --> 00:40:19.719 anyway, but I plan on interviewing him in in uh you know, 583 00:40:19.880 --> 00:40:22.840 upcoming weeks here. I also want to get William law on about that book 584 00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:28.639 that he wrote with Jeffries too. I'm just waiting for something to happen there, 585 00:40:28.920 --> 00:40:31.679 uh, in a back and forth with me and William law But it's 586 00:40:31.719 --> 00:40:35.119 all friendly, it's all good. I mean, he's happy to come on 587 00:40:35.159 --> 00:40:37.679 the show. So I'm gonna have William law on at least once for that 588 00:40:37.760 --> 00:40:42.360 book and maybe for some other reasons. Uh, but you know, I'm 589 00:40:42.360

--> 00:40:46.079 mostly gonna have Mantek con. There's gonna be a Jeff uh No. I 590 00:40:46.079 --> 00:40:50.039 haven't had Don on for it because I was trying to get to law first, 591 00:40:50.559 --> 00:40:54.519 let's see, and you know, because Don's busy a lot of the 592 00:40:54.679 --> 00:40:58.199 a lot of the times that I that I asked him about, you know, 593 00:40:58.280 --> 00:41:02.079 can we do a show? So you know, I was gonna have 594 00:41:02.159 --> 00:41:07.079 law on first, or maybe both of them, I thought, But I'm 595 00:41:07.159 --> 00:41:13.199 just yeah, pipe the Bimbo and Red and I have a copy of it 596 00:41:13.239 --> 00:41:15.679 on my shelf here. I've been through most of it, haven't finished it, 597 00:41:16.599 --> 00:41:20.119 but I've been through most of it, and I have some interesting questions 598 00:41:20.239 --> 00:41:24.400 about some things that are going on in that book. He definitely has a 599 00:41:24.559 --> 00:41:30.880 huge portion here where he's talking to what is Dean Andrews the Third, Uh, 600 00:41:30.920 --> 00:41:32.480 you know, the the the guy that's played by John Candy and the 601 00:41:32.559 --> 00:41:37.719 JFK movies for those of you that don't know, who was a New Orleans 602 00:41:37.239 --> 00:41:43.239 based lawyer. Okay, that Garrison was familiar with is involved and actually, 603 00:41:43.360 --> 00:41:47.239 uh, you know there's a little connection there to the Kennedy case. We'll 604 00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:51.800 talk about it when we get to that book on the show, but no, 605 00:41:52.000 --> 00:41:53.239 I'm gonna have Don on about it as well. It's just that, 606 00:41:54.000 --> 00:42:00.360 you know, I wanted to get William law too. So anyway, brother, 607 00:42:00.960 --> 00:42:06.760 and uh, that guy was actually your friends. Come to find that, 608 00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:12.639 uh, no kidding, Okay, the Dean Andrews the Third and you 609 00:42:12.679 --> 00:42:15.000 know, he just so happened, you know, stumble across that and later 610 00:42:15.079 --> 00:42:19.880 on they got talking about this. Somebody had an idea, I don't know 611 00:42:19.880 --> 00:42:22.599 if it was Don or the other guy, and they just put it together 612 00:42:22.679 --> 00:42:25.400 and uh, you know, ended up you know, writing the book and 613 00:42:25.599 --> 00:42:30.880 that comment or what the title of the book is, because in the movie 614 00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:35.599 JFK, that was one of the things that John Candy said when he was 615 00:42:35.639 --> 00:42:38.360 in the first scene. That's why as a lady walked through that was in 616 00:42:38.599 --> 00:42:43.599 Red, right, And Kevin Costner replies, yes, she's cute, Dino, 617 00:42:43.679 --> 00:42:47.320 but not as cute as you, and uh and John Kenny goes, 618 00:42:47.480 --> 00:42:52.639 well, thank you. So yeah, uh no, I know the movie 619 00:42:52.719 --> 00:42:55.480 and I know the line and that's why I mean, it is funny. 620 00:42:55.519 --> 00:43:00.000 But anyway, Uh, I want to get into the substance of that book. 621 00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:01.360 It's not a terribly thick book, by the way, pipe the Bimbo 622 00:43:01.400 --> 00:43:07.440 and Red, it's not a huge book. It's uh, it's interesting. 623 00:43:07.519 --> 00:43:10.760 I'm holding off because I want to talk to those guys about the book on 624 00:43:10.960 --> 00:43:15.800 air and get to it, you know, with the authors. Anyhow, 625 00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:19.360 a couple of years ago, when I was producing Don's show, he was 626 00:43:19.400 --> 00:43:22.679 talking about bringing him on to interview him. And I had no idea that 627 00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:25.039 he was going to write a book about it, uh, but he was 628 00:43:25.039 --> 00:43:28.280 talking about that and I said, yeah, sure, let's do that, 629 00:43:28.400 --> 00:43:31.719 and he never got around to it, so I figured he didn't have, 630 00:43:31.840 --> 00:43:35.280 you know, an interest in doing it. Next thing I know is he's 631 00:43:35.280 --> 00:43:39.599 writing a book. So what can I say? Anyway, But that was 632 00:43:39.599 --> 00:43:45.480 back when I was producing the Don Jeffrey Show anyhow, So irln anything else. 633 00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:49.239 I can't remember if he had on one of his shows or not. 634 00:43:49.519 --> 00:43:53.840 I'm trying to think I ever since you brought that up, and I swear 635 00:43:54.159 --> 00:43:58.559 I can't remember. I'm kind of, you know, ashamed of the game. 636 00:43:58.679 --> 00:44:04.440 But he did do several interviews with the co author. I can't remember 637 00:44:04.440 --> 00:44:07.199 if he actually had Dave Andrews own or not. I know he showed some 638 00:44:07.239 --> 00:44:12.280 pictures that he had taken with me. Well, he didn't have Dean Andrews 639 00:44:12.280 --> 00:44:15.199 the third on the Don Jeffrey Show that I was producing. Now he was 640 00:44:15.239 --> 00:44:21.400 still doing an eye protest and uh I'm talking about lightly in the last six 641 00:44:21.480 --> 00:44:23.400 months. Oh oh yeah, Okay, Well it's hard for me to keep 642 00:44:23.440 --> 00:44:27.159 track anymore. Uh So, I don't know if he brought him on yet, 643 00:44:27.199 --> 00:44:29.599 but maybe maybe he should. He do it, do his own, 644 00:44:29.719 --> 00:44:32.639 big, huge promo, right, but we are going to get to that. 645 00:44:32.679 --> 00:44:36.440 And like I said, I want to bring William Law on. Uh 646 00:44:36.480 --> 00:44:38.199 but I have William Law I have in mind for more than one thing, 647 00:44:39.159 --> 00:44:45.000 and uh, for personal reasons. I'm not like, uh bugging William Law 648 00:44:45.119 --> 00:44:49.559 right now. Okay, there's no problem between him or me or anything. 649 00:44:49.559 --> 00:44:52.559 It's just I don't want to bother the man at the moment. Okay. 650 00:44:53.079 --> 00:44:58.599 But anyways, so we're we're geez, we're almost through a full hour here, 651

00:44:58.639 --> 00:45:01.159 Harland. Anything else got on your mind or because I do want to 652 00:45:01.199 --> 00:45:05.280 check back with Chris, And we got another caller, so I'd like to 653 00:45:05.320 --> 00:45:08.800 get around to everybody, and I go ahead and go ahead and grab those 654 00:45:08.840 --> 00:45:12.719 guys because I'm might have to get out from here for a little bit anyway, 655 00:45:12.760 --> 00:45:16.320 because I'm up here in northwestern Missouri, and I think there's about a 656 00:45:16.360 --> 00:45:21.199 twenty mile day spot. All right, Well, if I get cut off 657 00:45:21.280 --> 00:45:23.000 out cow back in a little bit. There you go. Yeah, try 658 00:45:23.119 --> 00:45:25.519 try and join us back in in a little bit, Harlan. I'll put 659 00:45:25.559 --> 00:45:30.280 you on hold, and uh, yeah, it looks like I got uh 660 00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:32.679 let's see wepe. Do I still have Chris? I think I do. 661 00:45:34.599 --> 00:45:37.679 Yes, I still have Chris on the line. I've got another caller who 662 00:45:37.679 --> 00:45:40.280 I think I recognize, So let me check back in with Chris. See 663 00:45:40.280 --> 00:45:43.760 if he's got anything else he wants to add in before we get to the 664 00:45:43.760 --> 00:45:46.000 new caller. And uh, we're gonna have to take a break pretty soon 665 00:45:46.039 --> 00:45:49.159 here too, because, like I said, we're almost here the first hour. 666 00:45:50.039 --> 00:45:52.679 So let's see, Chris. I think I got you back on the 667 00:45:52.679 --> 00:45:58.800 line. How you doing. Hey, that's a bed all right? So 668 00:45:58.840 --> 00:46:02.119 I got a question for you, for sure. It's gonna slightly derail the 669 00:46:02.360 --> 00:46:07.960 conversation topic. What do you and b Pete think about them released in the 670 00:46:08.400 --> 00:46:15.760 Haitian cannibal information here recently and from everything that I've gathered, that information is 671 00:46:15.840 --> 00:46:22.039 roughly two years old. I'm sorry with you the video that surfaced out here 672 00:46:22.079 --> 00:46:28.840 recently with us, you know, the gentleman they've labeled as cannibal. I 673 00:46:29.079 --> 00:46:30.639 got to be nervous what I'm talking about. I gotta be honest with you. 674 00:46:30.760 --> 00:46:36.639 Just the gang leaders that's got the nickname Barbecue. Oh yeah, Barbecue. 675 00:46:36.639 --> 00:46:37.559 I'm sorry, yes, sir, Yeah, you got to be Pete. 676 00:46:37.639 --> 00:46:42.440 Yeah, yeah, Barbecue, not Cannibal. So you said there's some 677 00:46:42.480 --> 00:46:47.039 footage out there from two years ago. From what I understand, that video 678 00:46:47.559 --> 00:46:52.840 came out two years ago, and I recall from the information channels that I've 679 00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:57.760 always that I've followed for a period of time, but yeah, that it 680 00:46:59.079 --> 00:47:04.360 was roughly around that period of times that yeah, they need that, Chris, 681

00:47:04.360 --> 00:47:08.360 costumers of cannibalism come from that region, you know, was spreading well 682 00:47:08.800 --> 00:47:13.760 enough. It seems it just seems like a conveniently timed in my opinion, 683 00:47:13.960 --> 00:47:16.199 like there's there's something more to the story. Got you could you fill me 684 00:47:16.239 --> 00:47:21.599 in on this? Fill me in on this, Chris a little bit, 685 00:47:21.679 --> 00:47:24.280 because I'm rather unfamiliar with this story. Could you help me out a little 686 00:47:24.320 --> 00:47:31.199 bit how well I know they've been although I don't I'm not a purviewer of 687 00:47:31.320 --> 00:47:37.440 a Twitter or a k X as they like to call it nowadays. I've 688 00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:40.920 been banned for a little while. But yeah, there's been a you know, 689 00:47:42.440 --> 00:47:45.119 there's been a video and I've witnessed a video too, and other candles 690 00:47:45.119 --> 00:47:53.159 and you know where you know this Yeah, as BP corrected me, gentleman 691 00:47:53.280 --> 00:48:01.000 named who's got the nickname of barbecue and he there's a uh, deceased gentleman 692 00:48:01.239 --> 00:48:07.280 laying on the ground outside and he lifts his leg up and starts eating it, 693 00:48:07.800 --> 00:48:12.199 you know, bite taken bites off of his calf, muscles, you 694 00:48:12.239 --> 00:48:17.639 know, and this is just a Haitian gang member that's the positively taking control 695 00:48:17.679 --> 00:48:23.079 of the Govment of Haiti based from whatever all the information that I've gathered, 696 00:48:23.760 --> 00:48:29.159 at least, that's a narrative that's been laying down, laid down. Okay, 697 00:48:29.280 --> 00:48:32.239 Okay, now I'm now I'm getting familiar here in my mind, Okay, 698 00:48:32.239 --> 00:48:36.400 because I've been looking at the Haiti thing and I couldn't. It didn't 699 00:48:36.480 --> 00:48:39.679 ring a bell until you mentioned. To be honest with you, this is 700 00:48:39.760 --> 00:48:45.679 not the only guy I've heard of with the cannibalism thing in Haiti, uh 701 00:48:45.719 --> 00:48:47.920 in gangland there, and yeah, there's been a whole lot of unrest where 702 00:48:49.400 --> 00:48:52.599 the government has pretty much lost control of the situation in Haiti, and it's 703 00:48:52.639 --> 00:48:58.400 not being covered a lot by our news at the moment, uh, the 704 00:48:58.719 --> 00:49:04.079 full extent of what's actually happening there. And the Dominican Republic, I know, 705 00:49:04.239 --> 00:49:07.960 is kind of nervous about what's happening, you know, right there, 706 00:49:08.000 --> 00:49:13.719 because they're right there. And uh yeah, so I've seen a little bit 707 00:49:13.719 --> 00:49:15.400 about this, and you know there's some stuff on YouTube even about it, 708 00:49:16.559 --> 00:49:21.400 you know, where there's video alleging that Yeah, in fact, there is 709 00:49:21.719 --> 00:49:24.559 more than one barbecue guy, but there's this one main guy has kind of 710 00:49:24.599 --> 00:49:30.599 gone viral. Huh. So, I mean again, I still don't know 711 00:49:30.639 --> 00:49:32.440 a lot about it, but it kind of passed by me. And uh, 712 00:49:32.599 --> 00:49:36.880 this is not the first time I've heard of this kind of thing before. 713 00:49:38.199 --> 00:49:44.119 You know, it's been a rumor for a long time and other people 714 00:49:44.159 --> 00:49:47.079 have talked about it. I had, jeez, what was that guy's name 715 00:49:47.400 --> 00:49:51.280 who came on my show and started talking to me about you know, hey, 716 00:49:51.360 --> 00:49:55.599 look, you're forgetting about Haiti's connection in the cocaine trade, which he 717 00:49:55.679 --> 00:50:00.599 was he was correct about. No, no, not Hillary Clinton. This 718 00:50:00.039 --> 00:50:05.559 guy who was a music producer actually came on my show in like twenty fifteen 719 00:50:05.639 --> 00:50:07.920 to talk to me about it. I forget his name off the top of 720 00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:10.920 my head now, but he was like, look, firsthand, here's what's 721 00:50:10.920 --> 00:50:15.800 going on in Haiti, and here's the CIA cocaine connection that's still going on, 722 00:50:16.079 --> 00:50:22.599 you know, far outside of the Iran contra cocaine connection. You need 723 00:50:22.599 --> 00:50:23.960 to look at Haiti, you know. And I started looking at it, 724 00:50:23.960 --> 00:50:29.280 and there's a lot of wild stuff that has gone on in Haiti that you 725 00:50:29.320 --> 00:50:31.920 know, you would think would make serious headlines. If it bleeds, it 726 00:50:32.039 --> 00:50:37.400 leads, But very quietly, there's been a lot of chaos, a lot 727 00:50:37.480 --> 00:50:40.360 of murders, a lot of the government losing control of various swaths of the 728 00:50:40.400 --> 00:50:46.159 old Country off and on and losing it to these different gangs. And that's 729 00:50:46.159 --> 00:50:52.079 been going on like I don't know, thirty years, at least continuously. 730 00:50:52.159 --> 00:50:57.280 Now recently there's been some headlines and apparently this Barbecue guy did make a little 731 00:50:57.280 --> 00:51:00.079 bit of a viral news so to speak. I guess there was videos on 732 00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:05.360 TikTok that they took down, but they were up on TikTok for a while 733 00:51:05.440 --> 00:51:09.360 before they took him down. Is that right? With these cannibal videos VPTE 734 00:51:09.360 --> 00:51:14.199 did you did you see that? Well, the story I've gotten is that 735 00:51:14.800 --> 00:51:20.880 this guy's one of this what's his name is Cheries I had some kind of 736 00:51:20.920 --> 00:51:22.360 French name. Hold on a second. Anyway, the guys they fame was 737 00:51:22.400 --> 00:51:28.719 Barbecue and they said that there was a journalist, Dan Cohen was over in 738 00:51:28.760 --> 00:51:36.320 twenty twenty two doing a documentary about this guy, something Cherizier. Another vision. 739

00:51:36.519 --> 00:51:42.559 Let's see another vision inside Hot Hades uprising. This guy's gang leader and 740 00:51:42.760 --> 00:51:45.159 the gangs have been worn against each other and his gang's coming out on top. 741 00:51:45.320 --> 00:51:50.920 So basically, some journalists put the headline, he's the de facto head 742 00:51:50.960 --> 00:51:55.639 of Haiti now that the president will not be allowed to return, and the 743 00:51:55.639 --> 00:51:59.639 reason he couldn't return was because all the fighting going on from the games. 744 00:52:00.280 --> 00:52:02.800 So then he just resigned. So now they're kind of left government lists. 745 00:52:02.800 --> 00:52:07.079 So they're trying to put this coalition together to oversee the place until they have 746 00:52:07.159 --> 00:52:14.239 new elections at all. But someone linked up to this video that was on 747 00:52:14.360 --> 00:52:20.320 CNN back in like twenty and seventeen, and they were talking to an Indian 748 00:52:20.440 --> 00:52:23.159 guy, these guys that eat their own flesh, and it was a video 749 00:52:23.239 --> 00:52:28.880 that was done in connection with that that when all this started, the video 750 00:52:29.000 --> 00:52:31.599 resurfaces, Oh here's footage of the gangs eating people. Blah blah blah blah 751 00:52:31.639 --> 00:52:36.000 blah. So it's kind of got blown out of proportion, and basically it's 752 00:52:36.039 --> 00:52:39.599 an urban legend that people are still clinging to. But I mean, truth 753 00:52:39.679 --> 00:52:45.920 being known, there's some weird little cult groups in Haiti. I mean, 754 00:52:45.280 --> 00:52:52.360 Voodoo's big over there. What is the what is the Latin is it center 755 00:52:54.199 --> 00:53:00.320 Centaia? You're talking about the religion. Yeah, the religious things Santaia. 756 00:53:01.199 --> 00:53:07.280 Yeah, that's real big in section. So people have made the connection between 757 00:53:07.400 --> 00:53:12.360 this guy's gang and cannibals, and now it's on the current urban myth. 758 00:53:13.360 --> 00:53:16.559 Well, some of them used it as like propaganda to instill fear in their 759 00:53:17.039 --> 00:53:22.039 rivals in Haiti. You know that there's been this legendary and it's, like 760 00:53:22.079 --> 00:53:23.719 I said, for thirty years, there's stories of this kind of stuff. 761 00:53:24.599 --> 00:53:28.360 You know, that they'll actually eat the hearts of their enemies and all this 762 00:53:28.400 --> 00:53:35.559 stuff. And you know, some of the deep dark practitioners of voodoo and 763 00:53:35.599 --> 00:53:38.760 stuff, you know, align themselves with these gangs and this and that. 764 00:53:39.280 --> 00:53:45.039 And indeed the government has lost control several times in the on the island nation, 765 00:53:45.199 --> 00:53:47.880 right, and it keeps going on. And some people have said that 766 00:53:47.920 --> 00:53:52.440 it's all about the cocaine trade. I think something else is going on there 767 00:53:52.480 --> 00:53:58.400 though, because I mean usually a narco state keeps a functional government at least 768 00:53:58.440 --> 00:54:01.039 as a puppet in place, but Haiti they keep uh, you know, 769 00:54:01.599 --> 00:54:07.880 to ask you about the question, I'm not trying to interrupt you. Why 770 00:54:08.360 --> 00:54:14.880 if if if we all know that this stuff was already occurring a couple of 771 00:54:15.239 --> 00:54:17.800 a couple of years ago, if none clearly longer. You know, the 772 00:54:17.840 --> 00:54:23.719 cannibalism. Why is it being released now? What's what's the purpose behind that? 773 00:54:24.840 --> 00:54:30.280 You know, I'm me just scare people, But what what easy purpose 774 00:54:30.320 --> 00:54:36.280 behind it? What's this stuff now? It's being released now to try to 775 00:54:36.679 --> 00:54:40.119 just scare people. The problem with Haiti, and that's weird about the island, 776 00:54:40.559 --> 00:54:45.000 but for why the island? But why are trying to scare people? 777 00:54:45.039 --> 00:54:51.440 I'm not trying to cut you off the yeah people what position It's so that 778 00:54:51.519 --> 00:54:55.159 they can position certain people for the next coming up elections. Realize the the 779 00:54:55.199 --> 00:55:00.719 Clintons, the group are real big down and hate. They got a lot 780 00:55:00.719 --> 00:55:05.519 of financial interest down there. They've got what is it, Hillary Clinton's brother 781 00:55:05.760 --> 00:55:08.960 is like one of the top owners of one of their large mines on the 782 00:55:09.000 --> 00:55:16.159 island. They've ingraded themselves into the business end of things. But it's so 783 00:55:16.320 --> 00:55:20.280 corrupt. I mean, that's been the problem. Dominican Republic has had a 784 00:55:20.320 --> 00:55:22.880 stable government for years. But on the other half the island, he got 785 00:55:22.880 --> 00:55:30.880 Haiti and they've had since Papa doctor value was it Papa doctor Vallier, since 786 00:55:30.880 --> 00:55:34.800 he was in charge. I mean, the corruption was notorious. He was 787 00:55:34.840 --> 00:55:38.199 basically they head gang leader of the island. He gets overthrown, then they 788 00:55:38.199 --> 00:55:43.760 put another guy in place, he gets killed. Now this guy's in power, 789 00:55:44.199 --> 00:55:47.000 and the Games got together and said let's create enough hate, discontent and 790 00:55:47.039 --> 00:55:52.000 turmoil that he can't come back. And well, basically he resigns. So 791 00:55:52.119 --> 00:55:57.880 now it's just a shuffle the I think the video came out simply because somebody 792 00:55:57.920 --> 00:56:01.719 wanted to sensationalize this thing, and so they try to make the connection even 793 00:56:01.760 --> 00:56:05.079 though you know, people look at it, well that's from you know, 794 00:56:05.239 --> 00:56:08.679 eight years ago or six years ago. The hell. I think it's just 795 00:56:08.719 --> 00:56:13.639 done to create

more chaos and to scare people. Well, from a speculative 796 00:56:13.679 --> 00:56:15.800 point of view, though, I wonder if this could be part of your 797 00:56:15.880 --> 00:56:22.639 question, Chris, is it time for a military intervention? Is there going 798 00:56:22.719 --> 00:56:25.360 to be a profitable military intervention in Haiti? Okay, We're gonna need to 799 00:56:25.400 --> 00:56:30.119 send peacekeepers in there or something in order to get the situation under control, 800 00:56:30.239 --> 00:56:37.159 right to oversee the elections, restore democracy. Yeah, I wonder if that 801 00:56:37.440 --> 00:56:43.880 is an upcoming you know, new conflict to sell I don't know, to 802 00:56:43.920 --> 00:56:46.599 be honest with you, I'm kind of you know, look, it's been 803 00:56:46.679 --> 00:56:51.000 chaotic, it's been a mess. Papa Doc, for all you can say 804 00:56:51.039 --> 00:56:53.039 about him, at the very least he was able to keep things functioning. 805 00:56:54.519 --> 00:57:00.119 But they're so totally dysfunctional at this point. One does wonder if that that's 806 00:57:00.199 --> 00:57:02.159 what the point is. Maybe they need to create some order out of the 807 00:57:02.239 --> 00:57:07.079 chaos, and that's going to be the next you know, side project here, 808 00:57:07.119 --> 00:57:10.159 right, you know, where we spread democracy to Haiti, we got 809 00:57:10.159 --> 00:57:15.320 to help those people out there strounds extremely plausible, you know, I mean 810 00:57:15.360 --> 00:57:19.400 that's that's my general thought about it, but I don't have proof of it. 811 00:57:19.400 --> 00:57:22.280 It's just sort of like, that's what would make sense to me. 812 00:57:22.199 --> 00:57:24.280 What do you think of that, be Bete? Does that make sense to 813 00:57:24.320 --> 00:57:30.960 you? Well? I think I think part of it is is the whole 814 00:57:30.119 --> 00:57:36.119 that that groups like the Clinton Foundation and some of these other related groups and 815 00:57:36.119 --> 00:57:38.760 people related to the Clintons have wormed their way in since the earthquake back in 816 00:57:38.760 --> 00:57:43.239 twenty ten. You know, the Clinton Foundation got a lot of money to 817 00:57:43.239 --> 00:57:46.239 go down there and build housing. Apparently they've only built like three houses since 818 00:57:46.480 --> 00:57:51.039 twenty ten when this went on. But everybody's asking where the hell is the 819 00:57:51.079 --> 00:57:54.440 money that you got things like that. Well, Haiti is one of the 820 00:57:54.440 --> 00:58:00.760 most corrupt nations on the earth, and it has been, I think since 821 00:58:00.800 --> 00:58:05.159 its inception. Don't quote me on that, but it seems like we've always 822 00:58:05.159 --> 00:58:08.280 heard about, you know, corruption in Haiti, and that's why all of 823 00:58:08.320 --> 00:58:15.400 these governments fail. It could be that certain private groups, let's say, 824 00:58:15.440 --> 00:58:22.719 off the island benefactors, are starting to take a little more than some of 825 00:58:22.760 --> 00:58:27.519 the people on Haiti think they should be allowed to get away with, and 826 00:58:27.639 --> 00:58:31.280 maybe a new government will be a way to start taking back some of those 827 00:58:31.440 --> 00:58:37.159 assets that have been built up by these off island entities that are just basically 828 00:58:37.239 --> 00:58:40.440 raking in money hand and foot from natural resources and things of that nature. 829 00:58:40.559 --> 00:58:44.599 Well, but just could be setting up they could be setting up a new 830 00:58:44.639 --> 00:58:49.519 government so that they can go after some of the corruption from people off the 831 00:58:49.639 --> 00:58:52.599 island. It's like, why is he allowed to put that in his pocket 832 00:58:52.599 --> 00:58:57.239 when I can put it in mind. Well, look there's all that. 833 00:58:58.039 --> 00:59:02.880 Let me say, I'm sorry, Chris good go ahead. Well, as 834 00:59:02.880 --> 00:59:07.800 a Floridian here, you might as well to sell me one because I've been 835 00:59:07.840 --> 00:59:12.800 there for too that long. Uh, you know what we've got Rod DeSantis 836 00:59:12.880 --> 00:59:16.119 talking. You know, he's proposing legislations for you know, blocking the you 837 00:59:16.159 --> 00:59:23.239 know, the bringing into the Haitian immigrants. I mean it does honestly saying 838 00:59:23.320 --> 00:59:28.440 like there's some narrative being laid out. I mean, there's something going on 839 00:59:28.559 --> 00:59:35.159 that we all aren't seeing. There's something something behind the curtains, you know 840 00:59:35.199 --> 00:59:38.559 what I mean. I think you're gonna find I don't. I think it's 841 00:59:38.599 --> 00:59:43.360 gonna be some time, but I think you're gonna find that the governments in 842 00:59:43.400 --> 00:59:47.880 Haiti have been purposely destabilized by either the US or other entities for a certain 843 00:59:49.239 --> 00:59:53.679 purpose. I don't know what that purpose is. Having Floridians and myself might 844 00:59:53.760 --> 01:00:00.679 be eaten by some rogue Haitian gangs, well, well, I gotta worry, 845 01:00:02.400 --> 01:00:07.239 humor, But I think you're going to see that this next government set 846 01:00:07.320 --> 01:00:13.039 up, because it was just what twenty twenty one when the prior president was 847 01:00:13.079 --> 01:00:17.400 assassinated and the guy that was in charge until the other day has only been 848 01:00:17.440 --> 01:00:21.559 in for a couple of years. So, you know, when you've got 849 01:00:21.599 --> 01:00:25.519 something that's as corrupt as Haiti has been for centuries, trying to clean up 850 01:00:27.039 --> 01:00:30.519 everybody's act, people get ticked off at the interference and they say, okay, 851 01:00:30.559 --> 01:00:34.079 we'll just take him out. I mean the government US government has done 852 01:00:34.079 --> 01:00:37.599 it

in thousands of places over the years. You know, what's to say 853 01:00:37.679 --> 01:00:40.400 that local entities in Haiti thought, hey, we're having to pay too much 854 01:00:40.400 --> 01:00:44.320 graft to this guy. Let's just get rid of and we can we can 855 01:00:45.199 --> 01:00:49.519 our our our business economy situation will get much better. Who knows, I 856 01:00:49.519 --> 01:00:51.920 think that's what's being set up. You know, this is one of those 857 01:00:52.480 --> 01:00:58.440 back woods places where a lot of grant money and a lot of governmentey government 858 01:00:58.519 --> 01:01:02.480 money goes without any accounting. So it's big money for you know, some 859 01:01:02.519 --> 01:01:07.400 of the smaller world players to get in there and get their share. Yeah. 860 01:01:07.440 --> 01:01:12.679 But okay, well, I believe that the last person, that is, 861 01:01:12.800 --> 01:01:15.159 the last president that was assassinated. I want to say that. You 862 01:01:15.199 --> 01:01:20.159 know, That's where I mean. You can call my conspiracy theorist all day 863 01:01:20.199 --> 01:01:22.800 long. I don't really, you know, it doesn't bother me. But 864 01:01:23.480 --> 01:01:28.199 believe that he was one of the few world leaders. You know, if 865 01:01:28.199 --> 01:01:30.559 you want to call him that I meant, which essentially he was. I 866 01:01:30.559 --> 01:01:34.800 mean, he was he was leading up his country and he was against the 867 01:01:34.880 --> 01:01:38.800 that you know, the vaccinea, the vaccine what are you going to call 868 01:01:38.800 --> 01:01:45.840 it? The jed you know, Jed gad the vaccine. He was against 869 01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:53.199 vaccining his population. He hopefully spoke out of spoke out against it, and 870 01:01:53.199 --> 01:01:58.960 then it was pretty well immediately after that that he had ended up dead. 871 01:01:59.800 --> 01:02:05.280 Well, a lot of people were connected me unfortunately suffered in the same fate. 872 01:02:06.159 --> 01:02:07.960 Yeah, a lot of people have to I mean a minute, it 873 01:02:07.079 --> 01:02:13.280 happened. The gentleman's name was Jovenil Boise uh and he was the president. 874 01:02:13.880 --> 01:02:19.360 He was elected in twenty twenty, but in twenty twenty one he was assassinated 875 01:02:19.519 --> 01:02:24.239 and immediately people came out with the Clinton theory that somehow he was fighting their 876 01:02:24.280 --> 01:02:28.880 efforts to you know, rape, pillage and plunder, so they took them 877 01:02:28.920 --> 01:02:31.880 out. So some people automatically out added him to the Clinton body count hole. 878 01:02:32.440 --> 01:02:36.760 Yeah, and plus jo I'm in Loura Sophie, I'm in the she 879 01:02:36.960 --> 01:02:42.480 ring a bell. I mean, you know, I mean, if we 880 01:02:43.079 --> 01:02:46.840 I'm you know, I'm not trying to cause it the unpleasantries. But yeah, 881 01:02:46.920 --> 01:02:50.360 no, no problem. Look, but just like in

any street fight 882 01:02:50.480 --> 01:02:53.480 or street brawl situation, there's also going to be people that are gonna walk 883 01:02:53.519 --> 01:02:58.440 around and pick up all the spare change that gets dropped on the ground during 884 01:02:58.440 --> 01:03:00.840 the fighting. Right, Uh, this is something that occurs, so there's 885 01:03:00.880 --> 01:03:05.440 gonna be lots to be gained. Uh. As there's a bit of chaos 886 01:03:05.440 --> 01:03:07.800 there, some people are gonna sweep up, you know, just the wreckage, 887 01:03:07.800 --> 01:03:10.760 the leavings, if you will, of this mess. And believe me, 888 01:03:10.800 --> 01:03:15.800 the cocaine is not going to be interrupted guaranteed. The people that are 889 01:03:15.800 --> 01:03:19.800 really running that business are gonna make sure the shipments are not delayed. There 890 01:03:19.840 --> 01:03:23.440 will not be a supply chain issue there. Uh, Okay, it's gonna 891 01:03:23.480 --> 01:03:25.880 happen. I mean, I know cocaine is not the big, main, 892 01:03:27.079 --> 01:03:32.000 main, you know, main event drug at this point. But but still 893 01:03:34.039 --> 01:03:37.159 right, it's venting all right now, but cocaine is still profitable, I 894 01:03:37.239 --> 01:03:40.199 assure you. Anyways, Look, we're gonna take a quick break here on 895 01:03:40.239 --> 01:03:43.840 the Friday night open mic, and I got one more caller to get to, 896 01:03:44.440 --> 01:03:47.320 uh after Chris here, and uh, we'll probably get back around to 897 01:03:47.320 --> 01:04:01.920 everybody if we can't. Oh, Chilly dot Com, Wall Street Window dot 898 01:04:04.960 --> 01:04:12.960 Gold, Silver, the stock market, Wall Street, Window dot dot. 899 01:04:14.000 --> 01:04:17.239 Perhaps you're invested deeply, Perhaps you're not in deep enough. Maybe you're thinking 900 01:04:17.239 --> 01:04:23.239 about getting started. 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Okay, second segment the only commercial break we're gonna take tonight, 956 01:14:48.920 --> 01:14:51.239 And it was a long one. Sorry about that, folks, But 957 01:14:51.479 --> 01:14:56.079 here it is a little bit of something goes on behind the scenes during the 958 01:14:56.119 --> 01:14:58.880 break, and uh, it takes me a few minutes to get back to 959 01:14:58.920 --> 01:15:02.560 the mic. Way We got about another forty minutes left until Aaron Franz starts 960 01:15:02.600 --> 01:15:06.359 up with the Age of Transitions. So stick around and stay tuned to O'Kelly 961 01:15:06.439 --> 01:15:11.319 dot com radio. And if you're hearing the podcast, well you can go 962 01:15:11.359 --> 01:15:15.560 get the other podcast which will be out shortly after this one on theocelly dot 963 01:15:15.560 --> 01:15:20.479 com feed. So anyways, be Pete, where the hell were we? 964 01:15:20.479 --> 01:15:24.159 We were onto a bunch of different things here. We got into Haiti for 965 01:15:24.199 --> 01:15:28.880 a minute, real id, and we got a familiar caller who I can 966 01:15:28.960 --> 01:15:32.199 still identify on the board, and anybody else who wants to join us by 967 01:15:32.239 --> 01:15:36.960 the bye three one nine five two seven five zero one six. That's three 968 01:15:38.039 --> 01:15:42.359 one nine five two seven five zero one six, And I'll try and get 969 01:15:42.520 --> 01:15:46.560 people in for multiple drops during their phone calls. Uh, but it looks 970 01:15:46.560 --> 01:15:49.119 like we got Jimmy James on the line, So unless you got something that 971 01:15:49.119 --> 01:15:51.800 we need to add in right here, bet Pete, I say we get 972 01:15:51.800 --> 01:15:56.159 to Jimmy James next and then roll from there. What do you say, 973 01:15:57.439 --> 01:16:00.439 Yeah, let's go to Jimmy and see what he's got on his mind tonight. 974 01:16:00.159 --> 01:16:03.600 There you go, Jimmy James. I'm thinking you don't want to talk 975 01:16:03.600 --> 01:16:06.640 about Haiti. But then again, maybe you do, or you got something 976 01:16:06.640 --> 01:16:12.840 else on your mind. How you doing tonight? Doing good? Here? 977 01:16:13.000 --> 01:16:17.119 Check? Yeah, I don't really want to talk about Haiti. If you 978 01:16:17.199 --> 01:16:20.439 want to know what's going on on the arm shit, I guess I could 979 01:16:20.600 --> 01:16:25.920 give you a quick synopsis, though I don't really want to. Okay, 980 01:16:25.960 --> 01:16:30.399 then don't. Hey, look you know cannibalism, Let's skip it, okay. 981 01:16:30.199 --> 01:16:36.239 Uh what do you got on your mind tonight? Ah? Well, 982 01:16:36.399 --> 01:16:43.199 just bits of things I've been there reading seeing, just things. It might 983 01:16:43.279 --> 01:16:51.119 be just you might find this interesting pp in Paul Blues series, The Other 984 01:16:51.920 --> 01:16:58.199 Oswald? Have you listened to that you have BP? No? I haven't 985 01:16:58.439 --> 01:17:03.640 yet. Is this talking about two different Oswalts? No, he doesn't, 986 01:17:04.039 --> 01:17:15.640 No, he's he's just pointing out that she feels that, uh geez, 987 01:17:15.800 --> 01:17:21.319 that thorn Leine was an alternative to Oswald, so he were bringing to him 988 01:17:21.359 --> 01:17:29.399 as the other Oswald. Ah well, I mean, honestly, I don't 989 01:17:29.399 --> 01:17:33.159 know what to make of Kerry Thornley all the way around sometimes because there's a 990 01:17:33.199 --> 01:17:38.880 lot going on there, man, you know, as far as the other 991 01:17:38.960 --> 01:17:43.680 Oswald that does evoke various theories, And you're talking about Paul Blow or Blue 992 01:17:43.800 --> 01:17:46.239 or however you say his name. And I introduced him at the conference and 993 01:17:46.560 --> 01:17:50.560 still can't pronounce his name straight. The guy who is a co author for 994 01:17:50.600 --> 01:17:55.319 that book choke holds right, That guy is doing a series on this new 995 01:17:58.119 --> 01:18:02.840 Yes, it's a

few more back. He released this as Derek coff It's 996 01:18:02.880 --> 01:18:11.840 just a fight Fight episode series podcasts about a half hour forty minutes apiece. 997 01:18:12.239 --> 01:18:19.279 Okay, and he did have a very nice job. And wait a minute, 998 01:18:19.119 --> 01:18:26.479 all those let me get clear on this. Thornley he was the guy 999 01:18:27.359 --> 01:18:31.039 who what is it? Didn't you the baker make the comment that Thornley was 1000 01:18:31.039 --> 01:18:41.399 supposedly was running around with Marina. Oh, I can't keep track of Judy's 1001 01:18:41.439 --> 01:18:45.439 nonsense, but no, I mean Thornley was. I mean, I think 1002 01:18:45.479 --> 01:18:46.880 that was one of the things she attributed to him. But also Thornley. 1003 01:18:47.039 --> 01:18:50.960 Wasn't he the one that pulled the trigger on the gun in the bank so 1004 01:18:51.039 --> 01:18:54.359 that he'd be in jail? No? No, no, no, no, 1005 01:18:54.479 --> 01:19:00.800 no, no, no. That guy is Oh good god, I 1006 01:19:00.840 --> 01:19:04.119 should know his name off the top of my head. And it's military with 1007 01:19:04.159 --> 01:19:10.600 Oswald, correct, And wasn't he also down in New Orleans? Yes, 1008 01:19:11.000 --> 01:19:19.439 hold on, Uh, this is the complicated part. He wasn't he was 1009 01:19:19.520 --> 01:19:28.399 on the ship with Oswald. I mean, I guess he did kind of 1010 01:19:28.520 --> 01:19:33.199 no Oswald, Is that right, Chuck? But he denied being in New 1011 01:19:33.319 --> 01:19:40.279 Orleans at the time that Oswald was there. Okay, there's a definite there's 1012 01:19:40.439 --> 01:19:45.840 definite proof that he was there. Okay, Well, you know the contingent 1013 01:19:45.920 --> 01:19:51.479 that he would be an alternate Oswald used in you know, another event or 1014 01:19:51.920 --> 01:19:56.960 this event eventually, if things hadn't gone away they had. I think it's 1015 01:19:57.000 --> 01:20:00.920 highly probable because if you look back at Dick Russ, who did the interview 1016 01:20:01.439 --> 01:20:04.159 with the guy that pulled the trigger in the bank to go to jail, 1017 01:20:04.199 --> 01:20:10.640 whatever his name was, that's Richard in the Playboy interview that the name Alec 1018 01:20:10.720 --> 01:20:15.359 Haddell, which was found on some IDs that Oswald had, was a common 1019 01:20:15.479 --> 01:20:21.479 name used in the agency for different people at different times. So it's very 1020 01:20:21.479 --> 01:20:30.319 conceivable that Thornley could have been even unknowingly set aside as an alternate eye Walt 1021 01:20:30.359 --> 01:20:36.399 and something else. Here's the thing, because he actually plays recordings of Thornley 1022 01:20:36.520 --> 01:20:43.800 later on in life, where he that's the conclusion that Thornley came to is 1023 01:20:43.840 --> 01:20:48.760 that he was meant to be some sort of Patsy, an alternate Patsy or 1024 01:20:48.840 --> 01:20:56.359 something. Yeah. Well, look, you know, I wonder, I 1025 01:20:56.439 --> 01:21:00.319 wonder what the main when you hear stories like that. You know, he 1026 01:21:00.319 --> 01:21:02.079 could have been an alternate Patsy here, or he could have been somebody that 1027 01:21:02.079 --> 01:21:09.000 would be used for something at another time. Is it possible that things did 1028 01:21:09.039 --> 01:21:13.920 not go according to plan in Dallas and Oswald had to be taken out if 1029 01:21:13.920 --> 01:21:17.560 Oswald had been able to Let's say, Oswalt was involved definitely in some way, 1030 01:21:18.239 --> 01:21:21.960 and after this event, he flies to Coup, goes back to Russia, 1031 01:21:23.039 --> 01:21:26.199 goes to Cuba wherever he can find somewhere that will let him in. 1032 01:21:27.319 --> 01:21:30.840 Is it possible that Thornley could have been used to do something later that could 1033 01:21:30.840 --> 01:21:36.239 have been supposedly tied to Oswalt? You know, is Oswald one of those 1034 01:21:36.239 --> 01:21:41.600 things that would have been a recurring thing had Ruby not killed him in the 1035 01:21:41.640 --> 01:21:45.840 you know, the basement of Dallas jail. Well, look, there's been 1036 01:21:45.840 --> 01:21:49.039 a lot of you know, these alleged templates that could have been used. 1037 01:21:49.439 --> 01:21:53.239 People talk about, you know, the guy from the Chicago plot, right, 1038 01:21:53.680 --> 01:21:58.359 They talk about Thornley. Thornley also started the Discordian Society and all that. 1039 01:21:59.279 --> 01:22:01.600 I would look to Adam go Rightley's book on him actually kind of wrote 1040 01:22:01.960 --> 01:22:08.640 a sort of biography on him to explain Thornley quite a bit. And I 1041 01:22:08.680 --> 01:22:13.039 think it's how he met Lee Oswald is somehow part of the title or something 1042 01:22:13.800 --> 01:22:16.920 in that book, if I remember correctly. But Adam go Rightley, who 1043 01:22:17.000 --> 01:22:21.359 is an odd author in the JFK genre for sure, even among the oddities, 1044 01:22:23.479 --> 01:22:26.600 wrote a lot about him. But Thornley has been brought up over and 1045 01:22:26.600 --> 01:22:30.279 over again. You know, could he have been associated with this? Could 1046 01:22:30.279 --> 01:22:34.119 he have been one of those useful assets? You know, Joan Mellon has 1047 01:22:34.119 --> 01:22:40.600 a favorite or two of these possible useful assets as well, a lot of 1048 01:22:40.600 --> 01:22:45.439 them seeming to revolve around the New Orleans area for one reason or another. 1049 01:22:45.000 --> 01:22:47.760 I mean, you know, there's a whole bunch to this. It's not 1050 01:22:47.840 --> 01:22:50.800 a simple question. But the guy that you're talking about with Dick Russell, 1051 01:22:50.840 --> 01:22:55.720 by the way, is Richard case Neguel. That's who that is. It's 1052 01:22:55.720 --> 01:23:02.600 all right, Which Chuck just dropped the great that last Jeff K miss. 1053 01:23:02.720 -->

01:23:06.920 So they did a real good job cover in that PP just a couple of 1054 01:23:06.960 --> 01:23:11.560 weeks ago. Well, the whole problem with you know, hey, he 1055 01:23:11.720 --> 01:23:15.399 shot intentionally into the wall of the bank and then went outside and sat down 1056 01:23:15.439 --> 01:23:19.720 to be arrested was the story for a long time. But it kind of 1057 01:23:19.720 --> 01:23:24.279 clashes with the police reports. It kind of clashes with him attempting to flee. 1058 01:23:24.359 --> 01:23:28.840 It kind of clashes with a bunch of things that happened if you believe 1059 01:23:29.079 --> 01:23:32.520 the police reports, which in this case, I know it's unusual for me 1060 01:23:32.560 --> 01:23:36.600 to say, but I tend to think that something happened that where he didn't 1061 01:23:36.640 --> 01:23:40.880 just voluntarily say, hey, look, come and lock me up because I 1062 01:23:40.880 --> 01:23:45.319 don't want to be part of this. I kind of don't buy that part 1063 01:23:45.319 --> 01:23:49.640 of the story, although at one time I sort of did good an a 1064 01:23:49.760 --> 01:23:56.600 miscellaneous interesting piece of knowledge EP and I have no idea where he got this, 1065 01:23:56.640 --> 01:24:00.840 because I haven't run into this paper yet. But he says in nineteen 1066 01:24:00.960 --> 01:24:11.359 seventy nine they did give rad by Beckham is not stress tests a big call 1067 01:24:11.399 --> 01:24:15.640 the voice voice stress analysis. They did voice stress analysis and a polygraph on 1068 01:24:15.720 --> 01:24:20.920 him. Yet, yeah, and for wherever that's worth, you know, 1069 01:24:21.079 --> 01:24:26.319 fifty to fifty he did pass it, which I didn't even know they got 1070 01:24:26.520 --> 01:24:32.560 did that because I knew that eight that Dallas wanted to do that. But 1071 01:24:32.680 --> 01:24:36.840 the way I read it is they denied it, but apparently in nineteen seventy 1072 01:24:36.920 --> 01:24:43.520 nine Paul Blue says they did, so he must have documents on that. 1073 01:24:43.760 --> 01:24:46.960 I kind of like to get copies of it. I'm aware that they did 1074 01:24:47.039 --> 01:24:50.199 voice stress analysis on it because that was one of those things that I followed 1075 01:24:50.239 --> 01:24:55.199 through for a while, and that was you know, this also came up 1076 01:24:55.239 --> 01:25:00.359 with Joan Mellon because Joan was very much into I think that Beckham was one 1077 01:25:00.399 --> 01:25:03.920 of the people that Joan looked at as sort of one of the possible alleged 1078 01:25:03.960 --> 01:25:09.520 Oswalt's not literally a doppelganger or a duplicate or you know, part of the 1079 01:25:09.560 --> 01:25:14.000 CIA plot proper or whatever, but what it is is that maybe another guy 1080 01:25:14.199 --> 01:25:16.119 could have been used to her. Yeah that, you know, I think 1081 01:25:16.560 --> 01:25:24.359 I think her thought well, I won't speak for but definitely my thought was, 1082 01:25:25.199 --> 01:25:29.920 yeah, definitely Beckham was the next in line. Something happens, everyone 1083 01:25:30.039 --> 01:25:33.920 take a step left, or if it did have to get bigger, the 1084 01:25:34.000 --> 01:25:38.840 so called plot, you know, then there you go, Austin, you 1085 01:25:38.960 --> 01:25:43.359 got Beckham you got Thornley, all these guys that somehow knew each other. 1086 01:25:43.600 --> 01:25:45.359 But you know, you could see where it could go, right, And 1087 01:25:45.439 --> 01:25:49.399 because Valley was a former marine or whatever, you could have tied him into 1088 01:25:49.439 --> 01:25:53.000 it and said, oh, look this is there's this big, you know, 1089 01:25:53.199 --> 01:25:58.479 underground plot of you know, former military assets one way or another. 1090 01:25:59.319 --> 01:26:01.479 If you need a larger plot to lay it on, you could have. 1091 01:26:01.600 --> 01:26:05.800 That's another potential thing where you don't have a loan assassin and they say, 1092 01:26:05.840 --> 01:26:10.560 oh look, there's clearly got to be connectivity between some people. You just 1093 01:26:10.600 --> 01:26:14.600 sort of round up all the patsies and say, okay, Valley knew Oswald 1094 01:26:14.600 --> 01:26:18.840 because he's a marine, right, and they both had some involvement in anti 1095 01:26:18.880 --> 01:26:25.520 Castro and pro Castro Cubans that they were supposedly involved in training both of them, 1096 01:26:25.680 --> 01:26:28.600 and you connect them together Beckham's in New Orleans. You know what I'm 1097 01:26:28.640 --> 01:26:31.279 saying, Like, here you go. I can't draw it all out because 1098 01:26:31.319 --> 01:26:34.760 nobody's ever done it. But the potential is there that you could have tied 1099 01:26:34.800 --> 01:26:41.760 a whole bunch of patsies together and said here's your plot, right, Fraser, 1100 01:26:42.279 --> 01:26:47.479 Buel Wesley Fraser, Yeah, why not a young Knight or old receptible 1101 01:26:47.640 --> 01:26:57.000 young man to the evil communist intentions of Lee Oswald. Well, you know, 1102 01:26:57.279 --> 01:27:03.720 charismatic Lee Harmy Oswald, right, But I say that jokingly to go 1103 01:27:03.880 --> 01:27:08.840 that way, I think they, I mean, clearly, these people at 1104 01:27:09.239 --> 01:27:16.399 plans contingency plans, contingency of contingency plans, because nothing went right in Dallas 1105 01:27:16.479 --> 01:27:20.319 and yet it did get pulled off. Well, see, there's the other 1106 01:27:20.399 --> 01:27:24.439 thing is let's just say, okay, for the sake of argument, that 1107 01:27:24.479 --> 01:27:30.119 you've got a completely oblivious patsy, right, and he just accidentally doesn't go 1108 01:27:30.199 --> 01:27:32.880 to work when he's supposed to, or somehow, you know, winds up 1109 01:27:32.920 --> 01:27:35.840 cracking his tooth and goes to a dentist or you know, god knows what, 1110 01:27:36.159 --> 01:27:44.520 right, and he's at a

position you're gonna needs. What's that gets 1111 01:27:44.600 --> 01:27:46.880 hit by a bus okay, gets hit by a bus whatever, right, 1112 01:27:47.239 --> 01:27:50.520 Or decides to stay home and not go to work because he's gonna argue with 1113 01:27:50.600 --> 01:27:55.159 Marina about moving back in with him. Whatever. Let's just say the guy 1114 01:27:55.239 --> 01:28:00.199 takes himself out of position through something they couldn't foresee. You need other guys 1115 01:28:00.199 --> 01:28:03.720 to fall back on, and who knows right? And again if you needed 1116 01:28:03.760 --> 01:28:09.039 a larger plot because suddenly proofer merged that somebody had to be involved with X 1117 01:28:09.159 --> 01:28:12.840 y Z. Well, maybe they have a convenient guy waiting, because they 1118 01:28:12.840 --> 01:28:15.840 can say, like I said, you got two former marines, right, 1119 01:28:15.920 --> 01:28:19.880 or two former military guys. They knew each other because and this guy thought 1120 01:28:20.000 --> 01:28:23.159 they was on a boat with him, you know, et cetera. I 1121 01:28:23.159 --> 01:28:28.119 mean, they could just expand they could just kept expanding it because for something 1122 01:28:28.560 --> 01:28:32.039 they were right around. There's especially in New Orleans. It's like, come 1123 01:28:32.079 --> 01:28:36.119 on, what is the chances it that? I mean it is, I 1124 01:28:36.119 --> 01:28:42.880 guess by chance, but it's really weird. Yeah, but there you go, 1125 01:28:42.960 --> 01:28:45.319 how do you know certain people later in life anyway because you met him 1126 01:28:45.319 --> 01:28:49.439 along the way doing something? Uh, And and it probably wouldn't be too 1127 01:28:49.439 --> 01:28:56.119 hard to figure out different ways to either fabricate or pull people literally from their 1128 01:28:56.479 --> 01:29:00.399 natural connections, their natural sph spheres of influence in real life and say, 1129 01:29:00.439 --> 01:29:03.560 well, this person's connected to this one, or there could be a connected 1130 01:29:03.560 --> 01:29:08.760 person in between, you know. Okay, so these two guys trained Cubans 1131 01:29:08.760 --> 01:29:13.039 at some point and offered to train Cubans, right, maybe they knew the 1132 01:29:13.039 --> 01:29:17.000 same guy that they were offering to train Cubans with you know, the approach 1133 01:29:17.079 --> 01:29:21.520 to berengear. I mean, there you go. Or maybe he's a you 1134 01:29:21.520 --> 01:29:25.960 know, look, there's all kinds of ways to try and tie people together, 1135 01:29:26.000 --> 01:29:28.920 and it could have been done if it was necessary. But since you 1136 01:29:28.920 --> 01:29:32.000 don't need more than the loan nut, why bother? Right? So maybe 1137 01:29:32.039 --> 01:29:40.119 they were contingency players. Yeah, no, right now, I just want 1138 01:29:40.119 --> 01:29:43.399 to say, for the record, this is all speculation. I'm not saying 1139 01:29:43.399 --> 01:29:46.359 that any of this happened. I'm just saying that there are people that say, 1140 01:29:46.119 --> 01:29:51.640 we're just speaking here and I could hear be peace chopped and at the 1141 01:29:51.680 --> 01:29:55.880 bits to say so, I'm go ahead, but I don't want to talk 1142 01:29:56.000 --> 01:29:58.760 over you. Yeah, BP, did you want to add something in here? 1143 01:30:00.319 --> 01:30:01.439 Oh no, I've been listening now. I mean I agree with your 1144 01:30:01.439 --> 01:30:05.720 theory. Yeah, you can have a collective bunch of patsis what would that? 1145 01:30:05.840 --> 01:30:11.239 What is it? What would a group of patsies be called? But 1146 01:30:14.520 --> 01:30:19.960 hear you, guys, I want to hear your guys's reaction in this part's 1147 01:30:20.600 --> 01:30:26.520 more than theory. It just seems to be there's an A team, a 1148 01:30:26.560 --> 01:30:32.279 B team, a C team, and they know different various things, but 1149 01:30:32.359 --> 01:30:38.079 no one except the A team knows what's really going on. I kind of 1150 01:30:38.119 --> 01:30:44.399 look at Oswald and Thrnley and all these goofy people as the B team, 1151 01:30:44.640 --> 01:30:49.560 like they're they're going to be doing things, but they don't exactly know why. 1152 01:30:50.680 --> 01:30:54.720 Well, how about they're all part of the B team that you know 1153 01:30:54.840 --> 01:30:57.880 they're they're all part of the B team, but they don't necessarily need to 1154 01:30:57.880 --> 01:31:00.159 know each other, and they're all being put in place so that the A 1155 01:31:00.279 --> 01:31:02.640 team actually gets the job done and we don't know who the hell those people 1156 01:31:02.680 --> 01:31:06.399 are still. How about that? You know that would be the way I 1157 01:31:06.399 --> 01:31:11.159 would get it. Well, we do, we do kind of know who 1158 01:31:11.239 --> 01:31:15.000 the age. I mean, Colonel Rip Roberts was there. He was up 1159 01:31:15.159 --> 01:31:18.159 and if he was there, his team was there. They were up to 1160 01:31:18.239 --> 01:31:25.720 sell. No, there's a lot of strange goings on there, like why 1161 01:31:25.800 --> 01:31:29.720 is there you know, suddenly a military intelligence photographer that gets stuck in the 1162 01:31:29.720 --> 01:31:31.399 school book depository. He needs his boss to get him out, right, 1163 01:31:32.039 --> 01:31:36.600 Uh, you know, weird stuff like that. That one that one I 1164 01:31:36.680 --> 01:31:40.920 got an answer for. It turns out, you know, they act like 1165 01:31:41.000 --> 01:31:45.479 this guy's a super secret This guy was a knee nothing, that his job 1166 01:31:45.720 --> 01:31:50.199 was to look into the backgrounds of people that wanted to join the military. 1167 01:31:50.399 --> 01:32:01.000 The close playing guy that said he was a special agent and possibly people misheard 1168 01:32:01.039 --> 01:32:06.840 him and said secret Service agent. But he was the guy taking

pictures, 1169 01:32:06.960 --> 01:32:11.399 wasn't he, Chuck, Well, no, he ends up with that one 1170 01:32:11.439 --> 01:32:16.800 picture of the school book depository. Uh, you know, oddly branded Bradley 1171 01:32:16.960 --> 01:32:23.199 Brandon, something like, oh, no, you're talking about Braiden. Braiden, 1172 01:32:23.279 --> 01:32:26.199 the guy they arrested. The guy that's the guy they arrested coming out 1173 01:32:26.199 --> 01:32:31.399 down text building. Yeah. Yeah, well they held it because he flashed 1174 01:32:31.399 --> 01:32:34.760 a badge. He kept trying to hang around them, and then they're like, 1175 01:32:35.000 --> 01:32:42.720 who are you? And now everyone says the Army's little secret of agents 1176 01:32:42.760 --> 01:32:49.840 were partner around this guy's background was he was literally just calling people's school teachers 1177 01:32:49.840 --> 01:32:55.319 at things of people that wanted to join the military. Well, people have 1178 01:32:55.359 --> 01:33:00.039 a convoluted idea about uh, you know, the these guys that are supposedly 1179 01:33:02.520 --> 01:33:06.079 the secret Service agents everywhere, Right, everybody points to that whole there's Secret 1180 01:33:06.119 --> 01:33:13.319 Service agents everywhere, and that's not true. You know, there's one agent. 1181 01:33:13.439 --> 01:33:16.119 If you follow his testimony, he jumps in and out of the motorcade 1182 01:33:16.479 --> 01:33:19.760 and he's running around trying to figure out stuff. And if you follow what 1183 01:33:19.880 --> 01:33:25.439 he describes as running around, it's really one guy running around with a Secret 1184 01:33:25.479 --> 01:33:29.359 Service ID. And he jumps back on to a later car in the motorcade 1185 01:33:29.359 --> 01:33:34.000 and ends up, you know, at Parkland eventually, and it's one guy. 1186 01:33:34.119 --> 01:33:38.560 It's it's not you know, fifty Secret Service agents they're everywhere. No, 1187 01:33:38.680 --> 01:33:43.199 they're not. And they mix that up with these other people that supposedly 1188 01:33:43.239 --> 01:33:46.960 had IDs, and you know, there's a bunch of stuff going right. 1189 01:33:47.479 --> 01:33:54.920 But in that position, if someone said I'm a special agent with whatever the 1190 01:33:55.039 --> 01:34:00.880 Army cis, they probably just a special agent. And that people heard secrets 1191 01:34:01.159 --> 01:34:06.039 whatever you know, or some their FBI I don't know well, And then 1192 01:34:06.079 --> 01:34:12.159 you got Sheriff's department personnel that are not necessarily on duty, but we're hanging 1193 01:34:12.239 --> 01:34:16.920 around and sort of mobilized as well. And then nobody fills out a report 1194 01:34:17.000 --> 01:34:21.520 because nobody wants to go to Decker and say that they were there. So 1195 01:34:21.640 --> 01:34:25.119 there's that going on, you know what I mean, There's a lot of 1196 01:34:25.119 --> 01:34:29.279 people walking around that could have had

badges that are in that area. And 1197 01:34:29.600 --> 01:34:31.840 again people mix it up because somebody saw a badge and they say, oh, 1198 01:34:32.000 --> 01:34:35.319 we thought they were Secret Service because they were dressed in plain clothes, 1199 01:34:35.319 --> 01:34:40.920 and it could be an off duty sheriff or deputy. You know. There's 1200 01:34:40.960 --> 01:34:45.439 all kinds of even one of them reserved ones, like that guy that looked 1201 01:34:45.479 --> 01:34:51.000 like he's seventy sam or the guy that they had guarding the ramp right who 1202 01:34:51.039 --> 01:34:55.760 was a reserve officer and he didn't see ruby, you know, even though 1203 01:34:55.760 --> 01:35:00.279 he should have. The guy who's what do they call him auxiliary, right, 1204 01:35:00.960 --> 01:35:03.239 and uh, and he was just guarding the ramp, you know. 1205 01:35:03.520 --> 01:35:08.079 So anyway, there's a lot going on here and people mix things up, 1206 01:35:08.159 --> 01:35:11.920 the Secret Service agents everywhere. It really it comes down to one guy. 1207 01:35:12.000 --> 01:35:15.680 If you take a look at his Warren Commission testimony, it helps nobody to 1208 01:35:15.800 --> 01:35:18.840 think that this guy jumped around and ran around a bit, which he did 1209 01:35:19.520 --> 01:35:25.000 and apparently ended up on a car further down in the motor cake and just 1210 01:35:25.039 --> 01:35:28.800 took the ride. Okay, So and it's one agent. I can't remember 1211 01:35:28.800 --> 01:35:30.119 the agent's name off the top of my head, but it's one guy. 1212 01:35:32.439 --> 01:35:36.079 Was it the one? Well, it did turn out that they had another 1213 01:35:36.239 --> 01:35:41.520 advanced age if no one ever mentioned before. So there may have been two, 1214 01:35:42.319 --> 01:35:46.000 yeah, maybe, but mainly the one guy who's running around like crazy 1215 01:35:46.039 --> 01:35:51.760 is the guy who jumped off of a car. Yeah. Yeah, there 1216 01:35:51.800 --> 01:35:56.079 was one guy who jumped off of a car. And he gives testimony to 1217 01:35:56.119 --> 01:35:59.279 the Warren Commission that he ran around and was trying to figure out what was 1218 01:35:59.319 --> 01:36:02.680 going on. And look, you know that that area is small guy that 1219 01:36:02.800 --> 01:36:08.560 started putting up his hands like what what what or something? Yeah, that 1220 01:36:08.600 --> 01:36:12.239 guy. And but but he ends up running around and uh, like I 1221 01:36:12.279 --> 01:36:16.479 said, it's just he he's in a bunch of places at once because he's 1222 01:36:16.520 --> 01:36:19.720 running around trying to get an eye on this. Because nobody else jumped off 1223 01:36:19.720 --> 01:36:24.960 of the motorcade outside of Clint Hill and what was it? Ready called him 1224 01:36:25.000 --> 01:36:28.720 back right and Clint Hill kept going. He ends up on the back of 1225 01:36:28.720 --> 01:36:31.199 the presidential limousine. But nobody else jumped off of the running boards or anything 1226 01:36:31.880 --> 01:36:36.720 except this other guy. So anyway, but it's one guy and he and 1227 01:36:36.760 --> 01:36:40.680 he counts for it in the Warrant Commission. You can line it up. 1228 01:36:41.199 --> 01:36:45.399 I just I forget the guy's name because he's not important. Otherwise, well, 1229 01:36:45.840 --> 01:36:53.079 well, well, well a lot of third so lately, like the 1230 01:36:53.159 --> 01:37:02.199 information when you guys got to the Passos scenario and Octopus. Of course, 1231 01:37:02.199 --> 01:37:09.800 I had to first endure about a half hour of Opperman talking crazy Trump at 1232 01:37:09.920 --> 01:37:15.199 Cock for well whatever. I couldn't stop Opperman. He just kept rolling, 1233 01:37:15.239 --> 01:37:16.399 and I was just like, yeah, go ahead, man, you know, 1234 01:37:16.920 --> 01:37:19.159 talk about what you want to talk about. I was trying to get 1235 01:37:19.159 --> 01:37:21.720 at some of those other shows, and I even asked him about that crazy 1236 01:37:21.800 --> 01:37:26.520 JFK guess he had, so you know, what are you gonna do, 1237 01:37:26.840 --> 01:37:31.199 ed Zone, Oh yeah, that's really weird. Well, like you said, 1238 01:37:31.319 --> 01:37:35.760 he's just put the information out there, I guess. But yeah, 1239 01:37:35.840 --> 01:37:42.399 that Castillaro stuff i'd really like to hear more. I mean, this octopus 1240 01:37:42.479 --> 01:37:46.279 thing, all it goes back, well, you know the promised software. 1241 01:37:46.399 --> 01:37:50.560 Sure, but may Brussell was talking about this stuff in nineteen seventy two, 1242 01:37:51.079 --> 01:37:56.720 right, And the reason she was talking about it was because that speaker of 1243 01:37:56.760 --> 01:38:01.600 the house, that guy there in Alaska was talking about it at that time 1244 01:38:01.840 --> 01:38:08.239 about how well allegedly he was speaking about it at that time, about how 1245 01:38:08.239 --> 01:38:15.560 he's going to really look into the octopus, which I've always kind of tipped 1246 01:38:15.680 --> 01:38:19.399 me into spoopery. Yeah. I took it that way for a long time 1247 01:38:19.439 --> 01:38:24.600 too, until the Castellarro story surfaced. I just thought of it as a 1248 01:38:24.680 --> 01:38:28.920 metaphor. You know. But when they get into this software and all this 1249 01:38:29.039 --> 01:38:32.119 backdoor stuff that was going on, and it kind of starts to make sense 1250 01:38:32.159 --> 01:38:38.560 that this is a perfect NSA tool considering the collections they were doing. And 1251 01:38:38.600 --> 01:38:43.119 then yeah, you get into an area where eventually, guaranteed somebody's going to 1252 01:38:43.119 --> 01:38:45.760 figure out a way to monetize that. And if you've got all the inside 1253 01:38:45.800 --> 01:38:50.640 information, you've got access to everybody's personal and private stuff, including their bank 1254 01:38:50.640 --> 01:38:56.239 account

numbers and everything. You know, it's almost to guarantee that if that's 1255 01:38:56.319 --> 01:38:59.960 you know, concealed in a secret of agency, what's going to happen. 1256 01:39:00.159 --> 01:39:02.960 And then they were selling knockoffs of this stuff to other governments too, so 1257 01:39:03.399 --> 01:39:08.800 you know, it's it's a whole mess, man. Uh. That Castillaro 1258 01:39:08.880 --> 01:39:12.039 story is one of those things that can overwhelm you really easily, but it's 1259 01:39:12.039 --> 01:39:17.239 also a useful metaphor. Oh yeah, it's it's so it's so crazy, 1260 01:39:17.920 --> 01:39:23.720 it's like almost like the uh, the guy on the park bench from DC. 1261 01:39:24.560 --> 01:39:29.640 Yeah, the mister another thing I just what's this. You're talking about 1262 01:39:29.640 --> 01:39:33.880 the Donald Sutherland character mister X and the movie JFK. Yeah, No, 1263 01:39:33.880 --> 01:39:41.079 No, I mean the Hillary Clinton's whole boyfriend Manatha Lewis, Oh, Vince 1264 01:39:41.159 --> 01:39:45.359 Foster. Yeah, I was watching something about that today. By the way, 1265 01:39:45.920 --> 01:39:47.800 there's some new information actually a lot about that. I was thinking about 1266 01:39:47.920 --> 01:39:55.560 doing a show on it. But go ahead. Uh it's oh, I 1267 01:39:55.560 --> 01:40:02.119 got there. I cook call to Age of Transitions. But there was some 1268 01:40:04.199 --> 01:40:11.159 yeah, question about where Aaron. Aaron is taking a break from phone calls. 1269 01:40:11.640 --> 01:40:14.920 Is why he doesn't want to take phone calls for a few more weeks, 1270 01:40:14.960 --> 01:40:19.079 I think, and I don't know exactly why, but he wants to 1271 01:40:19.079 --> 01:40:24.000 do the monologues and do certain things certain ways and bring on guests. So 1272 01:40:24.159 --> 01:40:27.680 last week he had one line Bob and uh yeah, that was that. 1273 01:40:30.680 --> 01:40:33.880 Well all right, so now that can have been my bob, because they 1274 01:40:33.880 --> 01:40:40.079 were discussed as circuit boards, and I tried to call in because they're talking. 1275 01:40:40.680 --> 01:40:46.880 It's just they're talking about the I suppose Taiwan and how supposedly we want 1276 01:40:46.960 --> 01:40:51.039 to go to war because we got to have the circuit boards. Oh that 1277 01:40:51.039 --> 01:40:56.479 that was in Aaron's hour. Yeah, yeah, in Aaron's talking about the 1278 01:40:56.479 --> 01:41:00.840 technical the tex stuff. Yeah, if he taken Wait, I'm confused. 1279 01:41:00.000 --> 01:41:05.880 Is Aaron not taking calls or his uncle not? Neither one is taking calls 1280 01:41:05.920 --> 01:41:14.920 for the next couple of weeks. That's what they want it. Yeah, 1281 01:41:14.920 --> 01:41:16.760 it's got nothing to do with me. Uh, it's that that's what they 1282 01:41:16.760 --> 01:41:19.520 want. I'm just here, you know, I'm just the producer. So 1283 01:41:20.079 --> 01:41:23.800 anyway, Jimmy James, I thank you for calling. I'm gonna put you 1284 01:41:23.840 --> 01:41:28.520 on hold and uh beat Pete. We got two other callers on hold here. 1285 01:41:28.600 --> 01:41:30.279 We gave Jimmy a lot of time. I mean, who should we 1286 01:41:30.640 --> 01:41:33.560 go to next? Or or or do you got something you want to throw 1287 01:41:33.600 --> 01:41:38.880 in the hopper here? Because I mean I gave you that story. See 1288 01:41:38.880 --> 01:41:41.479 if Harland still with us, see he may be showing, but he could 1289 01:41:41.520 --> 01:41:45.199 be disconnected like it was last time. That's true. I'll tell you. 1290 01:41:45.279 --> 01:41:46.840 I found it interesting that story I passed to you, and I think I 1291 01:41:46.880 --> 01:41:53.119 got Harlan back on. But that story where somebody tried to swat my orcis 1292 01:41:53.800 --> 01:41:56.920 uh. You guys know about swatting, right where people call in a false 1293 01:41:56.960 --> 01:42:00.399 situation and they get a swat team to show up at your house and stuff 1294 01:42:00.399 --> 01:42:03.000 like that. Gamers were doing this to each other for years. Apparently somebody 1295 01:42:03.039 --> 01:42:09.159 tried to do that to a secretary of my orcs recently and they busted the 1296 01:42:09.199 --> 01:42:14.119 guy. And there's been like a serious uptick in these swatting incidents, which 1297 01:42:14.159 --> 01:42:17.880 is the weirdest phenomenal. What Nicky Haley got? What swatted twice? I 1298 01:42:17.920 --> 01:42:26.159 think something like that. Yeah, So Harlan, you with us? Hell? 1299 01:42:26.319 --> 01:42:30.159 Yeah, I'm wait all right, so I made it through? Cool? 1300 01:42:30.279 --> 01:42:33.159 Did you hear about these swatting incidents recently, Harland? Or you got 1301 01:42:33.159 --> 01:42:38.279 something else on your mind? Uh? Well, I got a couple other 1302 01:42:38.520 --> 01:42:43.640 well I had a couple other few things. But you know, Jimmy's story 1303 01:42:43.720 --> 01:42:45.920 was pretty interesting. But I don't know, I who have time. But 1304 01:42:45.760 --> 01:42:49.479 yeah, I've heard of a few here and there, you know, over 1305 01:42:49.520 --> 01:42:54.920 the years. It's kind of scary they personally, I really ain't got nothing 1306 01:42:54.960 --> 01:43:00.279 to worry about it when I'm home for the most part, because it was 1307 01:43:00.279 --> 01:43:02.479 something other bad like that, you know, time it got out, you 1308 01:43:02.520 --> 01:43:05.680 know, I mean, the other people would know it was bullshit that could 1309 01:43:05.920 --> 01:43:09.880 you know, pull a string back on that, you know what I mean? 1310 01:43:10.840 --> 01:43:15.800 But anyway, I have heard about it. I think it's bullshit, 1311 01:43:15.359 --> 01:43:21.600 and I also think that they should have to verify. There's several of these 1312 01:43:21.640 --> 01:43:28.680 situations could really get nasty for everybody involved, because everybody now should have seen 1313 01:43:28.680 --> 01:43:33.159 at least a few videos or these hooligans and these thieves and you know, 1314 01:43:33.239 --> 01:43:38.279 the scumbags runs up the people's house beating on the door saying they're the police 1315 01:43:38.319 --> 01:43:44.800 anyway, you know, well alone when it really is so I think they 1316 01:43:44.840 --> 01:43:46.720 should be a little bit more diligence, you know, put into some of 1317 01:43:46.720 --> 01:43:51.399 this before they just go sending us what team, especially this day in time 1318 01:43:51.439 --> 01:43:56.479 where this is known to happen, right, And you know what, Netflix 1319 01:43:56.520 --> 01:44:02.840 did a docu series ACI series in twenty twenty two, I guess, you 1320 01:44:02.880 --> 01:44:05.880 know, and the lead story and that was death by Swat And the name 1321 01:44:05.920 --> 01:44:11.359 of the series was Let's see uh web of make believe death lies in the 1322 01:44:11.399 --> 01:44:14.399 Internet. And one of the main things was, you know, these innocent 1323 01:44:14.399 --> 01:44:17.479 people getting gunned down. Uh, because you know, two gamers end up 1324 01:44:17.560 --> 01:44:20.079 arguing with each other and one guy goes, yeah, well i'll get you 1325 01:44:20.159 --> 01:44:24.319 back, and he sends a SWAT team to the guy's house and it turns 1326 01:44:24.319 --> 01:44:29.520 out he had a VPN misdirecting him. And in another instance, the guy 1327 01:44:29.640 --> 01:44:32.960 sent him to the guy's old address because somehow he was registered to his old 1328 01:44:33.000 --> 01:44:36.720 address. And there was just like a family sitting down eating dinner and uh, 1329 01:44:36.840 --> 01:44:40.439 you know, Dad opens the door and they just kill him right there 1330 01:44:40.479 --> 01:44:44.199 in the doorway. You know, I watched that series. Did you see 1331 01:44:44.199 --> 01:44:46.279 that? That series? You know, Harlan, did you see that? 1332 01:44:48.439 --> 01:44:51.560 Now, I've heard some of the stories, you know, like I say, 1333 01:44:51.800 --> 01:44:56.560 I mean, they need to be more diligence put into this. I 1334 01:44:56.600 --> 01:45:00.359 mean, you know, George was Washington said the power to tax is the 1335 01:45:00.399 --> 01:45:02.640 power to destroy. I say, the power to accuse is the power to 1336 01:45:02.760 --> 01:45:06.920 destroy. Yes, And there's not only you know, just this sweat that 1337 01:45:06.960 --> 01:45:09.720 I've heard of. I've heard of, you know,