النص الكامل لحلقة Sug Daniels

00:01:25,035 I really appreciate it. 48 00:01:25,035 --> 00:01:28,864 I'm really excited to see you in a, now it's, it's a few days away 49 00:01:28,864 --> 00:01:30,505 at the Philadelphia Folk Festival. 50 00:01:31,154 --> 00:01:33,394 Sug Daniels: I know, it's coming up so fast. 51 00:01:34,714 --> 00:01:36,394 Shaun Smith: So Shug, tell me a little bit about yourself. 52 00:01:36,394 --> 00:01:40,565 How did you, uh, how did you start getting into music and being a singer songwriter? 53 00:01:41,835 --> 00:01:43,285 Sug Daniels: Alright, I'll try to keep it quick, because it's 54 00:01:43,305 --> 00:01:45,405 really like a lifelong journey, but 55 00:01:46,009 --> 00:01:48,429 Shaun Smith: We take all, we can take all the time you need. 56 00:01:48,429 --> 00:01:49,160 Go for it. 57 00:01:50,130 --> 00:01:52,340 Sug Daniels: well, I started singing when I was little, right? 58 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:55,330 Like, I don't really remember my first time on stage or anything like that. 59 00:01:55,330 --> 00:01:56,590 I grew up, um, in church. 60 00:01:56,590 --> 00:01:57,520 My mom was a singer. 61 00:01:57,840 --> 00:01:59,840 She was a phenomenal, is a phenomenal singer. 62 00:01:59,850 --> 00:02:04,110 She doesn't sing as much anymore, which I am sad about, but I remember, 63 00:02:04,110 --> 00:02:07,460 you know, watching her sing and just like being with, you know, in church 64 00:02:07,460 --> 00:02:11,070 with my congregation and just like seeing people, like the reaction was 65 00:02:11,079 --> 00:02:14,110 so emotional and so hopeful and joyful. 66 00:02:14,110 --> 00:02:17,110 And just like, I've always known, I was like, that's it. 67 00:02:17,149 --> 00:02:19,200 That's the thing that I want to do. 68 00:02:19,409 --> 00:02:21,610 I want to do that for people when I become an adult. 69 00:02:22,579 --> 00:02:25,230 And you know, you get older, you know, I've always been singing and 70 00:02:25,230 --> 00:02:26,280 writing little songs and stuff. 71 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:28,260 And then you get older and people like, yeah, well, what's 72 00:02:28,260 --> 00:02:29,420 your real job going to be? 73 00:02:29,420 --> 00:02:32,309 And I was like, I don't know, maybe I'll do a little bit of this and that. 74 00:02:32,899 --> 00:02:34,910 I did, but ultimately this, this is it. 75 00:02:34,910 --> 00:02:39,670 I've been, uh, making music full time now in October of last year. 76 00:02:39,670 --> 00:02:43,279 So I'm coming up on my near scene of making music full time. 77 00:02:43,300 --> 00:02:47,369 You know, I don't regret my Chipotle days or anything like that, but 78 00:02:47,399 --> 00:02:50,939 this is definitely feeling very like aligned with who I am. 79 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:52,380 Shaun Smith: Oh, that's great. 80 00:02:52,390 --> 00:02:54,860 What was, was there a single thing that made you say that, 81 00:02:54,889 --> 00:02:56,560 okay, I'm going all in on this? 82 00:02:58,609 --> 00:03:00,860 Sug Daniels: I mean, so I've always wanted to do it. 83 00:03:01,045 --> 00:03:03,195 But I remember the day that I quit my job. 84 00:03:03,665 --> 00:03:04,685 I'll tell you that story. 85 00:03:04,935 --> 00:03:09,515 So I had, I'm from Delaware originally and I moved to Philadelphia after this 86 00:03:09,525 --> 00:03:13,414 really big breakup and after the pandemic and well, not after the pandemic, but like 87 00:03:13,415 --> 00:03:17,104 once people could kind of move around a bit more and music started picking up, I 88 00:03:17,105 --> 00:03:18,375 was like, all right, well, you know what? 89 00:03:18,375 --> 00:03:19,584 I think I'm down for a change. 90 00:03:19,584 --> 00:03:21,654 I need to change, you know? 91 00:03:22,105 --> 00:03:24,885 And then I was like, I'm going to move to Philadelphia because it's not that far. 92 00:03:24,885 --> 00:03:27,815 Delaware is like Philadelphia's country cousin, you know, right down the street. 93 00:03:27,870 --> 00:03:29,360 Shaun Smith: just right up by 95. 94 00:03:29,765 --> 00:03:30,635 Sug Daniels: You know what I'm saying? 95 00:03:30,645 --> 00:03:32,984 And I was living in Wilmington at the time too. 96 00:03:33,295 --> 00:03:35,895 So I could get on a train and I was coming up here and I was visiting 97 00:03:35,895 --> 00:03:38,955 more of my friends and I was like, let me just go ahead and make the jump. 98 00:03:38,955 --> 00:03:40,405 I can always come back to Delaware. 99 00:03:40,415 --> 00:03:41,185 I have friends here. 100 00:03:41,185 --> 00:03:43,144 Like, you know, Delaware is not going anywhere. 101 00:03:43,745 --> 00:03:48,154 Uh, so I moved up to, to Philadelphia and I had a coffee shop job. 102 00:03:48,204 --> 00:03:49,034 I worked at a cafe. 103 00:03:49,075 --> 00:03:51,465 I was like, I'm either going to work at a bar or I'm going to work 104 00:03:51,465 --> 00:03:55,415 at a cafe, you know, So I can have part time hours, make some tips. 105 00:03:55,505 --> 00:03:59,195 And I'm much more of a morning person than I am a night owl. 106 00:03:59,205 --> 00:04:02,125 So I was like, let me go ahead, wake up in the morning, make people some 107 00:04:02,125 --> 00:04:05,514 coffee, come home, write my songs, you know, get with, get with friends, write 108 00:04:05,515 --> 00:04:07,794 music, do that, you know, then I can gig. 109 00:04:08,185 --> 00:04:13,005 So about two years into working at this cafe and I'd been doing good in music. 110 00:04:13,005 --> 00:04:16,205 I was at WXPN, you know, our local station was playing my music. 111 00:04:16,205 --> 00:04:17,815 I was, the gigs were picking up. 112 00:04:17,815 --> 00:04:18,945 I was doing pretty good. 113 00:04:19,465 --> 00:04:23,365 Um, I had rode my little electric scooter from South Philly. 114 00:04:23,815 --> 00:04:28,665 Up into like center city and it was fun riding the scooter, but this this 115 00:04:28,685 --> 00:04:33,675 particular day was really cold I was like, oh my god My hands were freezing and I was 116 00:04:33,784 -->

00:04:37,455 you know Opened up the cafe and one of my customers had come in and at this point 117 00:04:37,515 --> 00:04:40,765 all of my customers knew that I was A musician right there following me online. 118 00:04:40,765 --> 00:04:41,094 That's what you do. 119 00:04:41,095 --> 00:04:41,754 You move to the city. 120 00:04:41,765 --> 00:04:44,685 You tell everybody what you do Uh, she was really cool. 121 00:04:44,685 --> 00:04:46,355 She said why are you still working here? 122 00:04:46,355 --> 00:04:49,715 I just seen you, you know, you're going on tour and I was like, you know, i'm just 123 00:04:49,794 --> 00:04:54,140 i'm gonna make the break soon She said one day you're gonna come in here You And 124 00:04:54,140 --> 00:04:55,680 it's going to be cold on that scooter. 125 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:57,210 And you're going to be like, no, I don't want to do this. 126 00:04:57,210 --> 00:04:59,780 And it was so cold earlier that day. 127 00:04:59,780 --> 00:05:01,229 I was thinking when she was saying that. 128 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:03,409 So as soon as she walked out, I texted my boss. 129 00:05:03,409 --> 00:05:07,949 I said, Hey man, I really appreciate you letting me work at this cafe, but I 130 00:05:07,949 --> 00:05:11,289 think I'm going to go ahead and pursue music full time, he wished me well. 131 00:05:11,289 --> 00:05:14,150 And, you know, I'd already had some money, a little bit of money saved up. 132 00:05:14,150 --> 00:05:16,620 So I knew I could not work for three months and I'd be good. 133 00:05:16,620 --> 00:05:18,730 So I was like, all right, if I could just book some more stuff. 134 00:05:19,145 --> 00:05:20,845 I think I'll, I'll think I'll be pretty good. 135 00:05:20,865 --> 00:05:22,365 So that was it. 136 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:23,640 Shaun Smith: Oh, that's great. 137 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:24,420 Congratulations. 138 00:05:24,430 --> 00:05:25,280 That's really awesome. 139 00:05:27,130 --> 00:05:29,540 How do you like Philly as opposed to Delaware? 140 00:05:31,015 --> 00:05:33,015 Sug Daniels: I mean, they're both their own kind of creature though. 141 00:05:33,055 --> 00:05:36,175 I like that Philadelphia has so much going on. 142 00:05:36,205 --> 00:05:39,335 It can be a little distracting sometimes, but I'm always, I'm 143 00:05:39,335 --> 00:05:40,674 always like having so much fun. 144 00:05:40,785 --> 00:05:42,104 I moved from South Philly. 145 00:05:42,125 --> 00:05:43,235 I was there for like two years now. 146 00:05:43,235 --> 00:05:46,454 I'm in West Philly with my partner and our roommate and our beautiful cat. 147 00:05:47,015 --> 00:05:50,385 Um, and there's a bit more trees here, which I really enjoy. 148 00:05:50,385 --> 00:05:52,724 I'm, you know, I'm from Southern Delaware, so I'm a nature girl. 149 00:05:52,735 --> 00:05:53,985 I'm a, you know, I'm a country girl. 150 00:05:54,305 --> 00:05:54,985 I love the trees. 151 00:05:54,985 --> 00:05:58,294 I got a little garden, garden bed in the front yard, which is nice. 152 00:05:58,294 --> 00:06:01,644 My peppers are growing and, uh, my carrots are growing. 153 00:06:01,645 --> 00:06:05,934 They're doing their thing, but it's, it really is a city full of neighborhoods. 154 00:06:05,995 --> 00:06:09,675 Like I like all my neighbors are really fun and friendly and wonderful to talk to. 155 00:06:10,135 --> 00:06:11,335 Um, the city is really diverse. 156 00:06:11,335 --> 00:06:13,664 It's got great food, great culture, great art. 157 00:06:13,665 --> 00:06:14,215 I think that. 158 00:06:14,835 --> 00:06:18,405 The city knows that the artists are a big deal here. 159 00:06:18,615 --> 00:06:21,675 I feel like the arts are really supported in Philadelphia. 160 00:06:22,205 --> 00:06:23,595 Um, yeah. 161 00:06:23,645 --> 00:06:26,165 And, oh my God, I love getting on a little train. 162 00:06:26,175 --> 00:06:28,165 I love going anywhere for like two bucks and 50 cents. 163 00:06:28,165 --> 00:06:28,895 It's so cool. 164 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:31,959 Shaun Smith: That's great. 165 00:06:32,139 --> 00:06:34,570 Yeah, I was actually, I was going to ask you, what do you think about the music 166 00:06:34,570 --> 00:06:36,859 scene in Philly as opposed to in Delaware? 167 00:06:36,870 --> 00:06:39,559 Because Delaware does have a vibrant music scene. 168 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:41,669 It's probably a little less known than the Philly one. 169 00:06:42,485 --> 00:06:43,475 Sug Daniels: Oh, absolutely. 170 00:06:43,534 --> 00:06:46,930 I mean, I feel like one, the first thing to remember is that 171 00:06:46,930 --> 00:06:48,190 like, it's a numbers game, right? 172 00:06:48,210 --> 00:06:51,590 Like there's just a humongous population here in Philadelphia. 173 00:06:51,590 --> 00:06:55,009 So of course there's going to be more singers, songwriters, venues 174 00:06:55,049 --> 00:06:57,809 that can accommodate more people, more people that are just able, 175 00:06:57,859 --> 00:06:59,519 you're just able to expose yourself. 176 00:07:00,010 --> 00:07:03,070 Um, so I think for me being an artist full time, you can be an 177 00:07:03,079 --> 00:07:04,580 artist in any way, shape, or form. 178 00:07:04,580 --> 00:07:07,369 It's not always, it's never, it's never about making money, but if 179 00:07:07,369 --> 00:07:08,229 you're trying to be an artist. 180 00:07:08,845 --> 00:07:14,085 and make a living being in a market that has the capacity to support you 181 00:07:14,095 --> 00:07:17,145 I think is really important and the thing that artists really you have to 182 00:07:17,145 --> 00:07:20,704 separate those things right like you can be an artist anywhere but to be 183 00:07:20,704 --> 00:07:26,305 an artist where there's venues that people go to on you know Wednesday 184 00:07:26,950 --> 00:07:28,179 Shaun Smith: Yeah, 185 00:07:28,315 --> 00:07:30,855 Sug Daniels: you know you don't have to just play covers for three hours 186 00:07:30,865 --> 00:07:36,645 you can play original stuff and people want

to hear that So I love it because 187 00:07:36,645 --> 00:07:40,005 I feel like this place can support also, we do have the train, we do 188 00:07:40,005 --> 00:07:46,114 have a, um, an airport, we do have a little bit more transportation to get 189 00:07:46,125 --> 00:07:49,374 out of the city if you're like going to do a tour and stuff like that. 190 00:07:49,414 --> 00:07:53,445 So this place just has, you know, it just has the infrastructure for 191 00:07:53,485 --> 00:07:55,925 a really big booming music scene. 192 00:07:56,345 --> 00:08:00,164 Um, I think Delaware has, Phenomenal artists, some of the coolest artists 193 00:08:00,164 --> 00:08:03,505 and especially like underground scenes that I've seen in a lot of cities. 194 00:08:03,905 --> 00:08:07,655 Um, but it just didn't have the, the, what I needed in order to support 195 00:08:07,655 --> 00:08:10,924 myself in the way that I wanted to create music and create art, 196 00:08:12,260 --> 00:08:13,429 Shaun Smith: that's, that's really cool. 197 00:08:13,469 --> 00:08:14,039 That's really cool. 198 00:08:14,039 --> 00:08:16,919 I'm glad that you made the move because, uh, if you didn't, I might 199 00:08:16,919 --> 00:08:20,120 not have discovered you on the bill for the Philadelphia Folk Festival. 200 00:08:20,835 --> 00:08:22,695 Sug Daniels: you know, you know. 201 00:08:24,025 --> 00:08:26,405 Shaun Smith: Now, how did you, uh, what made you want to pick up 202 00:08:26,405 --> 00:08:28,485 the ukulele of all instruments? 203 00:08:29,310 --> 00:08:30,850 Sug Daniels: Well, it's, it's a funny story. 204 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:33,430 I've been like, so I've been singing since I was a little girl. 205 00:08:33,470 --> 00:08:37,100 And I was like in this really cool rap group with my cousins for like 10 years. 206 00:08:37,550 --> 00:08:39,309 Um, until I got tired and I was like, all right, I don't think 207 00:08:39,310 --> 00:08:41,760 I really want to make that music anymore and do something different. 208 00:08:41,790 --> 00:08:44,210 And then I was singing in a funk soul band called Hoochie Coochie. 209 00:08:44,210 --> 00:08:46,510 And that was really fun, but I didn't play any instruments. 210 00:08:46,550 --> 00:08:47,789 I mostly just like sang. 211 00:08:50,275 --> 00:08:54,205 When the pandemic hit and I couldn't get with my band to make music because, 212 00:08:54,215 --> 00:08:56,405 you know, uh, the desire never left. 213 00:08:56,405 --> 00:08:59,975 I always collaborated with somebody, but then all of a sudden I find myself 214 00:09:00,005 --> 00:09:05,505 after like, 15, 16 years of making music professionally being like, 215 00:09:05,515 --> 00:09:07,335 oh man, I can't I'm like crippled. 216 00:09:07,335 --> 00:09:13,785 I can't do So my roommate at the time was a musician and she played guitar and stuff 217 00:09:13,814 --> 00:09:17,425 and I started playing bass in the basement just because like You know, she wasn't 218 00:09:17,425 --> 00:09:19,124 gigging either and that was pretty fun. 219 00:09:19,874 --> 00:09:23,115 It was my first time ever playing an instrument I never I didn't have guitars 220 00:09:23,115 --> 00:09:24,214 or anything like that growing up. 221 00:09:24,244 --> 00:09:27,194 I was just some And she had a ukulele in her room and she was like, 222 00:09:27,204 --> 00:09:28,505 you should, you should have this. 223 00:09:28,755 --> 00:09:32,325 Like, you should learn something so you can keep making music. 224 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,750 So I started making music and playing around on that. 225 00:09:35,780 --> 00:09:40,680 And it just was so like, not, it was so unintimidating, you know, it's just, 226 00:09:40,689 --> 00:09:42,569 it's tiny, it's little, it's loud. 227 00:09:42,569 --> 00:09:44,319 Like me, you know, so I was like relatable. 228 00:09:44,780 --> 00:09:48,040 Um, it's not, it's hard to make it sound bad. 229 00:09:48,079 --> 00:09:51,819 Honestly, the, the, just the way that the strings are in the chords, 230 00:09:52,260 --> 00:09:53,670 it's just a beautiful instrument. 231 00:09:54,089 --> 00:09:57,980 So I just started messing around and just writing songs because writing 232 00:09:57,980 --> 00:10:00,220 songs sounds is just what I do. 233 00:10:00,220 --> 00:10:03,755 Um, I think I started putting stuff up online, like some live stuff. 234 00:10:03,785 --> 00:10:09,865 And the reaction that I got was so, um, obvious and profound. 235 00:10:09,975 --> 00:10:11,885 I was like, Oh, I guess this is what I do now. 236 00:10:12,834 --> 00:10:14,725 I guess I'll be a ukulele player. 237 00:10:15,254 --> 00:10:20,325 Um, and I didn't really know either, but like ukulele fans are like hardcore fans. 238 00:10:20,335 --> 00:10:24,165 People who like, love the ukulele, freaking love the ukulele. 239 00:10:24,165 --> 00:10:29,760 So I also kind of found myself in this really fun niche and welcoming Um 240 00:10:29,790 --> 00:10:34,420 community of of people that had this love for this cool little instrument. 241 00:10:35,314 --> 00:10:36,035 Shaun Smith: That's awesome. 242 00:10:36,035 --> 00:10:37,954 Yeah, you make it sound beautiful for sure. 243 00:10:37,954 --> 00:10:41,474 And, but it, you don't, you don't play a traditional ukulele, do you? 244 00:10:41,484 --> 00:10:42,204 Or maybe you do. 245 00:10:42,204 --> 00:10:45,505 I think I saw an electric ukulele or something. 246 00:10:45,535 --> 00:10:48,064 Um, yeah, tell me about that. 247 00:10:48,595 --> 00:10:53,234 Sug Daniels: So I feel like when I first started, I was really, 248 00:10:54,745 --> 00:10:56,185 I just was just messing around. 249 00:10:56,195 --> 00:10:59,125 And then once I started, I seen that it was getting attention 250 00:10:59,125 --> 00:11:00,395 and people were excited about it. 251 00:11:00,404 --> 00:11:02,605 I was like, Oh, well, I'm going to play live. 252 00:11:03,274 --> 00:11:04,614 And cause I love to perform. 253 00:11:04,614 --> 00:11:05,444 It's just so fun. 254

00:11:05,444 --> 00:11:08,195 It's such a fun way for me to connect with other humans. 255 00:11:08,354 --> 00:11:11,335 You know, it's like to just make a fool of myself in front of them 256 00:11:11,935 --> 00:11:13,055 and hoping to have a good time. 257 00:11:13,425 --> 00:11:15,204 So I was like, all right, well, what can I do? 258 00:11:15,224 --> 00:11:16,765 Cause the ukulele I had was like. 259 00:11:17,095 --> 00:11:18,295 It was more classical. 260 00:11:18,295 --> 00:11:20,694 It was, uh, you know, didn't have any pickups or anything in it. 261 00:11:21,175 --> 00:11:22,195 And so I started Googling. 262 00:11:22,195 --> 00:11:25,405 I lived with my buddy Rob at the time who was a, literally, he's a luer. 263 00:11:25,495 --> 00:11:28,525 He had done that for as a career for a long time and still does it on the side. 264 00:11:28,935 --> 00:11:31,845 And he was like, well, maybe we can find one and put some pickups in there. 265 00:11:31,845 --> 00:11:35,425 And then we would, you know, sit and Google and see like what kind 266 00:11:35,425 --> 00:11:36,805 of instruments were out there. 267 00:11:36,985 --> 00:11:41,865 And Fender had like a line of ukuleles that, you know, had, uh, had a 268 00:11:41,865 --> 00:11:45,525 pickup in it and you could plug it in and put it through some pedals. 269 00:11:45,525 --> 00:11:47,385 And they were all designed like. 270 00:11:47,790 --> 00:11:49,780 Their fender guitars, so it was really cool. 271 00:11:49,780 --> 00:11:53,140 It was really interesting Um, that's a class. 272 00:11:53,150 --> 00:11:57,240 It's that one's done in classical, but now I have a baritone ukulele from 273 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:01,089 college So there's just so much out there There's like there's I have a 274 00:12:01,119 --> 00:12:05,019 u bass that my my bass player let me borrow that I cut little demos with 275 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:08,010 so The instrument really has evolved. 276 00:12:08,010 --> 00:12:10,790 It's a really older instrument and it's, it's done really beautifully. 277 00:12:10,790 --> 00:12:11,680 It's about community. 278 00:12:11,680 --> 00:12:14,349 It's about singing with the people in, in, in your, in your 279 00:12:14,349 --> 00:12:16,490 neighborhood and around a campfire. 280 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:20,250 Uh, but it's really evolved in the last probably like decade. 281 00:12:20,410 --> 00:12:22,910 And I'm, I'm excited to be bringing it because I think it's just. 282 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:24,880 Such an accessible instrument. 283 00:12:24,890 --> 00:12:25,700 It's small. 284 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:29,030 I can take, like if I'm touring, especially my concert ukulele, 285 00:12:29,030 --> 00:12:30,710 I could take it on a plane, man. 286 00:12:30,980 --> 00:12:32,490 I don't gotta pay for it. 287 00:12:32,700 --> 00:12:34,520 I can bring it as a carry on. 288 00:12:34,890 --> 00:12:36,990 So it's so fun and it's just so accessible. 289 00:12:37,020 --> 00:12:40,649 So yeah, you throw some

pedals on there, like highly recommend 290 00:12:40,649 --> 00:12:42,009 everybody get one for the house. 291 00:12:42,300 --> 00:12:42,990 Shaun Smith: That's so cool. 292 00:12:42,990 --> 00:12:45,380 I've never heard of a baritone ukulele before. 293 00:12:45,950 --> 00:12:47,650 Sug Daniels: Yeah, the baritone ukulele is fun. 294 00:12:47,650 --> 00:12:52,710 So that one is the, I think the first four strings of a guitar, the baritone. 295 00:12:52,710 --> 00:12:53,810 So that one's a little different. 296 00:12:55,314 --> 00:12:59,015 But once again, it's just small, it's super portable, and yeah, 297 00:12:59,025 --> 00:13:01,925 people sometimes don't even know I'm playing a ukulele, they think I'm 298 00:13:01,925 --> 00:13:03,575 playing just a tiny little guitar. 299 00:13:03,755 --> 00:13:07,145 I think it's the same strings, if I'm not mistaken, and I'm sorry, 300 00:13:07,155 --> 00:13:09,245 everybody, anybody out there in the podcast world, like, she don't 301 00:13:09,245 --> 00:13:09,794 know what she's talking about. 302 00:13:10,204 --> 00:13:12,654 I think it's the same as, like, a tenor guitar. 303 00:13:12,775 --> 00:13:14,645 The same strings as a tenor guitar. 304 00:13:15,100 --> 00:13:19,680 Um, my buddy, yeah, my buddy Sam Rise, who is another Philadelphia singer 305 00:13:19,680 --> 00:13:21,290 songwriter, plays a tenor guitar. 306 00:13:21,290 --> 00:13:23,650 And we're always like, yo, we should just like get together and jam and 307 00:13:23,650 --> 00:13:24,549 like play each other's instruments. 308 00:13:24,550 --> 00:13:26,600 But we've both been so busy booking. 309 00:13:27,560 --> 00:13:28,180 Shaun Smith: That's awesome. 310 00:13:28,220 --> 00:13:30,079 Now, how did your, are you self taught? 311 00:13:31,330 --> 00:13:31,880 Sug Daniels: Yeah. 312 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:35,989 It's like on my list to like eventually get some lessons, but I just keep 313 00:13:35,990 --> 00:13:40,315 writing stuff and uh, there's nothing wrong with either, right? 314 00:13:40,315 --> 00:13:42,455 Like, being self taught, I think, is really fun because 315 00:13:42,625 --> 00:13:45,505 you're following this passion and you're, like, developing this ear. 316 00:13:45,535 --> 00:13:48,544 And this wasn't something that I realized until later after playing 317 00:13:48,544 --> 00:13:52,515 with a lot of friends who have been trained, who did, like, go to school or 318 00:13:52,515 --> 00:13:55,954 did, like, have a lot of lessons when they were kids or take lessons now. 319 00:13:56,295 --> 00:13:58,655 Um, I think it's like, I just know good music. 320 00:13:58,655 --> 00:14:03,090 I grew up in a household with a lot of different kind of stuff, like, My little 321 00:14:03,090 --> 00:14:06,850 brother's dad loved like Jimi Hendrix and the Beatles and like classic rock stuff. 322 00:14:06,850 --> 00:14:08,280 So that was cool to listen to. 323 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:12,599 And then my mother loved, of course, like, you know, uh, gospel, of course, and then 324 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:16,250 like R& B and a lot of like Philly, like really cool, like soul clarion stuff. 325 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:18,860 Uh, that I didn't realize was right in Philadelphia, but I was 326 00:14:19,090 --> 00:14:20,409 listening to a lot of that too. 327 00:14:20,780 --> 00:14:24,460 So then I had this, this wide eclectic mix of all these different things that 328 00:14:24,460 --> 00:14:26,340 I like, so I kind of developed an ear. 329 00:14:27,370 --> 00:14:31,440 And then, yeah, I started making music that just felt good. 330 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:34,210 I never really felt like I want to make this kind of genre. 331 00:14:34,210 --> 00:14:37,139 I never really tried to lean too hard into anything. 332 00:14:37,459 --> 00:14:40,064 I just know what feels good to me, what sounds good. 333 00:14:40,454 --> 00:14:44,535 Um, I feel like now I'm, I'm getting a bit more into learning what the 334 00:14:44,535 --> 00:14:48,095 heck I'm doing, because I'm starting to play with more people, and it's 335 00:14:48,095 --> 00:14:51,885 nice to know that language, so I can communicate with them what, what I'm 336 00:14:51,885 --> 00:14:55,605 doing, and what I'd like for them to do, what I don't want them to do. 337 00:14:56,629 --> 00:14:57,650 Shaun Smith: Oh, that's so cool. 338 00:14:57,669 --> 00:15:01,825 Yeah, I can definitely hear some of those, uh, Those influences, uh, from 339 00:15:01,995 --> 00:15:05,135 what you're talking about growing up, but what kind of music did you 340 00:15:05,135 --> 00:15:08,515 listen to when you were growing up, uh, that kind of inspire you today? 341 00:15:09,540 --> 00:15:11,990 Sug Daniels: Well, my favorite for sure was like Michael Jackson. 342 00:15:11,990 --> 00:15:15,199 I was obsessed with Michael Jackson as a kid. 343 00:15:15,649 --> 00:15:20,349 My mom got me like a Walkman and I would get like just random little cassettes. 344 00:15:20,919 --> 00:15:22,329 And I got really random stuff, right? 345 00:15:22,329 --> 00:15:24,019 Like I remember having like an REM. 346 00:15:24,030 --> 00:15:27,239 I didn't know who REM was, but I just remember being like, I like the look 347 00:15:27,239 --> 00:15:28,439 of this cassette, so I'll get it. 348 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:28,729 So. 349 00:15:28,870 --> 00:15:32,550 And then later on, now, which makes sense why I like folk music 350 00:15:32,550 --> 00:15:35,460 so much, because there's so much mandolin in that music, and just 351 00:15:35,460 --> 00:15:36,829 the way he's singing is different. 352 00:15:36,829 --> 00:15:40,040 It's not like, he's not doing some soul thing, which is what I was used to. 353 00:15:40,250 --> 00:15:43,009 It was doing something different, but I could pick up on why that music 354 00:15:43,020 --> 00:15:46,339 was good, and why people liked it, and, you know, one of my favorites. 355 00:15:46,349 --> 00:15:50,865 But my favorite, um, Cassette was like the best of the Jackson

5's and 356 00:15:50,865 --> 00:15:54,474 I learned all the songs and those kids had like the lyrics and then back then. 357 00:15:54,714 --> 00:15:57,214 So I would just literally learn all these songs and I'd walk around 358 00:15:57,214 --> 00:15:58,495 my neighborhood singing them. 359 00:15:58,964 --> 00:16:01,675 Um, and I just thought Michael Jackson was amazing. 360 00:16:01,744 --> 00:16:05,644 I mean he is, he's a phenomenal performer too, which is where I think along 361 00:16:05,644 --> 00:16:10,885 with watching my mom, um, be such an amazing performer also inspired me. 362 00:16:10,964 --> 00:16:14,374 I was like, I just want to make people go, you know, like that's cool. 363 00:16:15,185 --> 00:16:15,495 Shaun Smith: Yeah. 364 00:16:15,504 --> 00:16:20,215 Those early Jackson five songs are, I mean, they're amazing and it's just hard. 365 00:16:20,515 --> 00:16:24,965 It's kind of hard because Michael Jackson was a little kid, like a little 366 00:16:24,965 --> 00:16:27,215 kid when he was performing those songs. 367 00:16:27,215 --> 00:16:28,505 Like it's kind of, it kind of. 368 00:16:28,935 --> 00:16:33,815 blows my mind now when I hear them and I go, man, this band is so tight. 369 00:16:33,815 --> 00:16:38,705 And this little kid is just belting out these tunes with his entire soul. 370 00:16:38,934 --> 00:16:41,884 That is only like, you know, not even 10 years old. 371 00:16:41,884 --> 00:16:42,204 Right. 372 00:16:42,205 --> 00:16:43,544 I mean, he was a little kid. 373 00:16:44,130 --> 00:16:46,920 Sug Daniels: He was little, little, and I mean, he grew up to be just 374 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:48,600 such an amazing songwriter, too. 375 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:52,339 Like, I was watching, um, did you see that Netflix documentary, 376 00:16:52,909 --> 00:16:53,909 The Greatest Night in Pop? 377 00:16:54,384 --> 00:16:55,664 Shaun Smith: Uh, yes I did. 378 00:16:55,734 --> 00:16:56,094 Yeah. 379 00:16:56,250 --> 00:16:58,849 Sug Daniels: It was, I didn't realize it was just him and 380 00:16:58,949 --> 00:17:00,089 Lionel Richie that wrote that. 381 00:17:00,239 --> 00:17:02,039 That wrote the We Are the World song. 382 00:17:02,309 --> 00:17:06,675 Like, they wrote it, they kind of like, you know, Pussy footed around forever. 383 00:17:06,675 --> 00:17:09,315 And then it was like, oh, we have to have this song done, or Quincy 384 00:17:09,315 --> 00:17:10,514 Jones is gonna have our heads. 385 00:17:10,875 --> 00:17:12,135 And they're like, okay, here it is. 386 00:17:12,954 --> 00:17:17,254 Shaun Smith: Yeah, and watching his process, his process in the studio, 387 00:17:17,254 --> 00:17:19,075 where he like, Oh, I messed that up. 388 00:17:19,075 --> 00:17:21,395 And then, you know, he goes back in and he's just kind of like, 389 00:17:21,565 --> 00:17:23,164 but he really just focused. 390 00:17:23,164 --> 00:17:24,534 He sat, but he wore the whole. 391 00:17:24,714 --> 00:17:27,175 That was the other cool thing is he, he

wore the whole. 392 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:31,260 Michael, you know, what we now later would see him wearing all the time, but 393 00:17:31,260 --> 00:17:35,190 he would walk in the studio dressed to the nines, like ready to rock and roll. 394 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:36,910 That was, that was really cool. 395 00:17:37,645 --> 00:17:38,035 Sug Daniels: Yeah. 396 00:17:38,125 --> 00:17:38,395 Yeah. 397 00:17:38,395 --> 00:17:41,754 Definitely a once in a lifetime kind of musician and artist. 398 00:17:41,935 --> 00:17:46,665 Uh, but yeah, so definitely super inspired by Michael Jackson and the 399 00:17:46,665 --> 00:17:49,035 Jackson Five, um, when I was a kid. 400 00:17:49,125 --> 00:17:51,135 And then, yeah, a lot of r and b and soul. 401 00:17:51,135 --> 00:17:52,425 My mom got really into like. 402 00:17:52,490 --> 00:17:56,590 Erykah Badu and Jill Scott and stuff like that when I feel like 403 00:17:56,590 --> 00:17:59,120 I was probably in middle school. 404 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:02,620 And so I really, I was like, oh, this is amazing. 405 00:18:02,630 --> 00:18:06,490 While simultaneously having a bunch of friends who are like into, you 406 00:18:06,490 --> 00:18:09,569 know, The Strokes and Kings of Leon. 407 00:18:09,569 --> 00:18:11,070 And so that's what my friends are listening to. 408 00:18:11,090 --> 00:18:12,359 And I'm just like soaking it up. 409 00:18:12,389 --> 00:18:13,700 I'm just like eating it all up. 410 00:18:13,700 --> 00:18:14,050 It's just. 411 00:18:14,415 --> 00:18:15,665 I just love good music. 412 00:18:15,665 --> 00:18:18,065 I love anything that just makes me feel some kind of way. 413 00:18:18,655 --> 00:18:23,445 Um, and you know, during being a teen angsty kind of kid, I just, 414 00:18:23,594 --> 00:18:25,465 everything, I wanted to hear everything. 415 00:18:25,465 --> 00:18:26,745 Um, 416 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:27,290 Shaun Smith: amazing. 417 00:18:27,290 --> 00:18:27,460 Yeah. 418 00:18:27,460 --> 00:18:28,360 It makes a lot of sense. 419 00:18:28,420 --> 00:18:31,629 Uh, because like hearing your songs, I hear, I hear all of that. 420 00:18:31,630 --> 00:18:37,500 I hear some, some modern alt rock, but you have a lot of soul and a classic, 421 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:39,890 a real classic feel, uh, to your songs. 422 00:18:39,910 --> 00:18:43,650 And honestly, I mean, your, your songs are, uh, for the most part. 423 00:18:43,740 --> 00:18:46,700 I feel like they make me happy when I listen to them. 424 00:18:46,710 --> 00:18:49,300 Like they have like an uplifting quality. 425 00:18:49,460 --> 00:18:51,930 Is that what you go for when you're, when you're writing a song? 426 00:18:51,930 --> 00:18:56,990 Are you trying to be, uh, positive and uplifting or are you just writing a song? 427 00:18:58,085 --> 00:19:01,514 Sug Daniels: I feel like I'm just writing a song and people, but people say that 428 00:19:01,514 --> 00:19:05,094 a lot and I think that that's beautiful and it's wonderful because if I'm going 429 00:19:05,094 --> 00:19:08,895 to do anything in this life, uh, make uplifting people and spreading joy and 430 00:19:08,895 --> 00:19:14,295 hope is, Like I'll, I will die on that hill for, for sure, but I think like 431 00:19:14,295 --> 00:19:18,720 when I'm writing and all my, a lot of my songs come on like 15 20 minutes. 432 00:19:18,730 --> 00:19:21,710 Like if I decide I want to sit down and like write a song sometimes it 433 00:19:21,710 --> 00:19:25,700 comes but like sometimes it just hits me and it feels like oh I have to 434 00:19:25,730 --> 00:19:29,789 like whatever this energy is I kind of like have to let it flow through 435 00:19:29,789 --> 00:19:32,439 me or it's just not a good day. 436 00:19:32,710 --> 00:19:36,799 So I get these, I get these like melodies or these lines or something and I sit 437 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:41,080 down and it comes out and that's just you know that just tends to be what 438 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:42,570 it feels like and what it sounds like. 439 00:19:42,740 --> 00:19:44,460 And I'm, but I'm happy for that you know. 440 00:19:44,490 --> 00:19:47,194 I'm happy that my music comes out that way and it makes me feel good. 441 00:19:47,755 --> 00:19:48,455 Feel that way. 442 00:19:49,009 --> 00:19:50,249 Shaun Smith: Now, I know this is a hard question. 443 00:19:50,249 --> 00:19:51,060 You just mentioned it. 444 00:19:51,060 --> 00:19:52,679 So how does it, how does it start? 445 00:19:52,690 --> 00:19:53,970 Does it start with a melody? 446 00:19:53,970 --> 00:19:55,180 Do you have the ukulele? 447 00:19:55,180 --> 00:19:56,730 Do you sit down with the intent? 448 00:19:56,970 --> 00:19:59,650 Is it just kind of built up where you're, you know, you're riding 449 00:19:59,650 --> 00:20:03,490 the, the, uh, the And you're like, Oh man, I can't wait to get home. 450 00:20:03,490 --> 00:20:04,500 So I can, I can. 451 00:20:04,710 --> 00:20:06,500 I can play this on the ukulele. 452 00:20:06,750 --> 00:20:08,360 Tell me a little bit about your process. 453 00:20:08,905 --> 00:20:09,365 Sug Daniels: Yeah. 454 00:20:09,365 --> 00:20:10,595 So basically, yes. 455 00:20:10,645 --> 00:20:12,155 I mean all of the above. 456 00:20:12,225 --> 00:20:16,885 It can sometimes I'm like, uh, sometimes I'll be practicing, right? 457 00:20:16,915 --> 00:20:19,105 I'm like rehearsing for something and I mess up. 458 00:20:19,105 --> 00:20:19,815 That happens a lot. 459 00:20:19,815 --> 00:20:20,405 I'll mess up. 460 00:20:20,405 --> 00:20:25,274 I'll do one note or chord and then I go to one that I'm supposed to or try to 461 00:20:25,274 --> 00:20:28,075 go to one that I'm supposed to and it's different and I'm like, oh, that's nice. 462 00:20:29,815 --> 00:20:31,775 That sounds like that could be something. 463 00:20:32,145 --> 00:20:36,854 And then whatever that melody makes me feel, is that, then it, it's like that 464 00:20:36,855 --> 00:20:38,684 emotion kind of like channels through me. 465 00:20:38,804 -->

00:20:39,875 And then there's a song. 466 00:20:40,375 --> 00:20:44,264 Um, but I can also like be on, on the bus and hear like somebody, 467 00:20:44,315 --> 00:20:46,635 like a conversation and they say a line and I'm like, Oh, that's, 468 00:20:46,635 --> 00:20:48,115 that's, that should be a song. 469 00:20:48,135 --> 00:20:50,125 Somebody should write a song about something like that. 470 00:20:50,540 --> 00:20:54,770 Um, but yeah, definitely, usually the melody comes first and whatever that 471 00:20:54,780 --> 00:20:58,970 melody makes me feel, the kind of emotion that makes me feel, then that's usually 472 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:00,380 what's gonna, what's gonna come out. 473 00:21:00,770 --> 00:21:02,940 And I feel like there's some songwriters that are so good. 474 00:21:02,940 --> 00:21:06,409 I think a lot of my music is very conversational too, like a lot of my music 475 00:21:06,409 --> 00:21:11,219 is just probably something I would just say to somebody, which just works for me 476 00:21:11,269 --> 00:21:13,169 because I love Chang, if you can't tell. 477 00:21:13,170 --> 00:21:14,827 That's 478 00:21:14,885 --> 00:21:16,935 Shaun Smith: Well, you're good at music and you're good at chatting too. 479 00:21:17,255 --> 00:21:19,225 So, uh, I think you might have a career in this. 480 00:21:19,225 --> 00:21:19,645 I don't know. 481 00:21:19,705 --> 00:21:22,115 Sug Daniels: Hey, I'm trying man, I'm trying. 482 00:21:22,815 --> 00:21:25,975 Shaun Smith: Now, are you, are you humming out the melody or do 483 00:21:25,975 --> 00:21:29,814 you pick up the ukulele and, and just start, uh, testing it out? 484 00:21:30,775 --> 00:21:32,765 Sug Daniels: Okay, so this is actually a great question, right? 485 00:21:32,825 --> 00:21:36,765 So this is another reason why I'm starting to learn the math and the 486 00:21:36,765 --> 00:21:38,335 science and the language of music. 487 00:21:38,525 --> 00:21:42,585 Because sometimes I have a melody in my head, but because I don't, 488 00:21:42,614 --> 00:21:47,124 you know, I'm not super accustomed to knowing what notes sound like on 489 00:21:47,134 --> 00:21:48,904 the ukulele, I sometimes I can't. 490 00:21:49,409 --> 00:21:49,870 Do that. 491 00:21:49,969 --> 00:21:51,610 I can't do the thing that I'm hearing in my head. 492 00:21:51,870 --> 00:21:53,179 So I'll have to adjust it. 493 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,999 Um, Unless I'm playing or I have like a band, right? 494 00:21:56,999 --> 00:22:00,229 Like if I go to my bass player and I'm like do this for me or a piano player 495 00:22:00,229 --> 00:22:04,509 might do this for me Um, but if I'm doing it by myself, I can't always you know It's 496 00:22:04,509 --> 00:22:08,360 like almost like a like a handicap that I have because I don't know how to do it So 497 00:22:08,690 --> 00:22:12,569 for for anyone who's like back and forth about if they should learn music that is 498 00:22:12,580 --> 00:22:16,930 definitely a benefit of it Um, is being able

to be like, okay, I've been doing 499 00:22:16,930 --> 00:22:22,879 this melody line and I can't find it, but if I know the chords, maybe I can, I can, 500 00:22:23,010 --> 00:22:25,419 uh, the finger shapes, I can find it. 501 00:22:25,959 --> 00:22:29,520 Um, so that's been, that's been really cool, but in the past I have hummed 502 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,539 it and then just like sung it out too. 503 00:22:32,344 --> 00:22:33,064 Shaun Smith: That's cool. 504 00:22:33,114 --> 00:22:33,384 Yeah. 505 00:22:33,384 --> 00:22:33,584 Yeah. 506 00:22:33,585 --> 00:22:37,675 I've never, I mean, I took guitar lessons for a second in college for a 507 00:22:37,675 --> 00:22:41,395 semester and yeah, that ability where people who are classically trained and 508 00:22:41,395 --> 00:22:43,605 they can just pick out a note, right. 509 00:22:43,605 --> 00:22:44,845 Just like pull it out of the air. 510 00:22:44,900 --> 00:22:49,550 To me, it just seems like magic, but I guess it is, uh, you know, a lot of 511 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,040 hard work and, and studying, right? 512 00:22:52,290 --> 00:22:53,210 Sug Daniels: yeah, yeah. 513 00:22:53,210 --> 00:22:56,840 I've been learning scales and it's a lot of just like finger, 514 00:22:56,940 --> 00:22:57,900 like just like remembering. 515 00:22:57,900 --> 00:22:59,199 It's a lot of muscle memory. 516 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,389 Um, but I like, I love playing music and I love my instrument so 517 00:23:02,389 --> 00:23:04,040 it's not really like a big thing. 518 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:05,550 It's like as soon as I sit down I'm fine. 519 00:23:05,550 --> 00:23:07,349 It's just making sure I carve out the time. 520 00:23:07,739 --> 00:23:10,810 Uh to sit down because I the people that I play with are just 521 00:23:10,810 --> 00:23:14,500 so amazing Um, I kind of like put this group of players together. 522 00:23:14,500 --> 00:23:17,389 I call them the sweet boys So whenever i'm playing like full band It's just 523 00:23:17,419 --> 00:23:21,040 like a bunch of like cool guys that i've been kicking it with for the last couple 524 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,679 years And they're all for the most part. 525 00:23:23,859 --> 00:23:26,679 Um, you know either went to school for it. 526 00:23:27,029 --> 00:23:30,800 Um, or like took lessons And they're so, it's just so inspiring to 527 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,290 watch them jail, to just be like, all right, go ahead and take one. 528 00:23:33,290 --> 00:23:36,810 And somebody like goes off from this beautiful solo, you know, they just 529 00:23:36,810 --> 00:23:38,240 know exactly what they want to do. 530 00:23:38,429 --> 00:23:39,869 It's so inspiring. 531 00:23:39,899 --> 00:23:42,550 So I'm like, all right, well, I want to play, I want to do that too. 532 00:23:42,620 --> 00:23:46,729 Like, I love to sing, but also I want to be busting out some ukulele solos. 533 00:23:46,789 --> 00:23:47,990 Like that would be so impressive. 534 00:23:47,990 --> 00:23:48,379 I think 535 00:23:48,810 --> 00:23:49,780 Shaun Smith: Oh, yeah, yeah. 536 00:23:49,780 --> 00:23:53,720 I mean, have you ever heard of, uh, I'm sure, maybe you have Jake Shimabukuro? 537 00:23:53,739 --> 00:23:55,589 I'm sure I butchered his last name. 538 00:23:55,980 --> 00:23:56,550 Uh, 539 00:23:56,639 --> 00:23:59,120 Sug Daniels: I know you're talking about, yes, he's incredible. 540 00:23:59,120 --> 00:24:01,470 He's like, yeah, some next level, very. 541 00:24:03,115 --> 00:24:04,295 Nobody can touch him. 542 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:05,060 Shaun Smith: Yeah. 543 00:24:05,075 --> 00:24:06,715 Sug Daniels: Like, nobody can touch that guy. 544 00:24:07,485 --> 00:24:08,745 But, it would be fun. 545 00:24:08,785 --> 00:24:12,190 Because, I don't know, it's just I feel like this instrument is so unexplored. 546 00:24:12,190 --> 00:24:13,120 Like there's not a lot. 547 00:24:13,130 --> 00:24:16,200 There is very, it has a lot of history and it's really beautiful. 548 00:24:16,570 --> 00:24:20,379 Um, but also I think it has just so much potential to inspire another 549 00:24:20,379 --> 00:24:23,759 generation of music makers who don't want to play guitar because everybody 550 00:24:23,759 --> 00:24:26,930 in their grandpapa's guitar, you know, they don't want to play piano because 551 00:24:26,980 --> 00:24:30,140 pianos are big and heavy and you can't, it's harder to take them on tour. 552 00:24:31,230 --> 00:24:32,330 Shaun Smith: Yeah, totally. 553 00:24:32,490 --> 00:24:32,980 Totally. 554 00:24:33,270 --> 00:24:36,630 You mentioned, you just mentioned, um, you know, jamming with a band, 555 00:24:36,630 --> 00:24:39,740 and I noticed that, uh, some of your releases that you've, uh, 556 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:41,190 they're collaborative releases. 557 00:24:41,619 --> 00:24:43,040 Tell me a little bit about this. 558 00:24:43,850 --> 00:24:44,430 Sug Daniels: Oh yeah. 559 00:24:44,430 --> 00:24:45,690 I love collaborating. 560 00:24:45,690 --> 00:24:47,230 I mean, that's, that's where I started. 561 00:24:47,230 --> 00:24:48,810 It was never really like by myself. 562 00:24:48,810 --> 00:24:51,955 It was, As soon as I started making music, I took it to my cousins 563 00:24:51,955 --> 00:24:53,655 and I was like, let's make a band. 564 00:24:54,055 --> 00:24:57,145 Um, and it's fun because then you get to also, it's like you're expressing 565 00:24:57,145 --> 00:25:00,114 yourself and then you're watching and understanding how other people are 566 00:25:00,115 --> 00:25:03,134 expressing themselves and you're hanging on these different points of view. 567 00:25:03,964 --> 00:25:06,664 Um, so yeah, I, I love, love, love to collaborate. 568 00:25:06,664 --> 00:25:10,765 I have a song coming out later this month with, um, my friend 569 00:25:10,775 --> 00:25:12,525 and drummer, Alex Clayton. 570 00:25:12,575 --> 00:25:17,120 He's His moniker, his music moniker is West End Ritos, and we have a 571 00:25:17,120 --> 00:25:19,600 song

coming out, and he usually just drums for me, you know, but he's so 572 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:23,130 fun to create music with, he's great at making arrangements, and we made 573 00:25:23,130 --> 00:25:27,959 this song, I think, like, probably two months into him drumming for me. 574 00:25:28,659 --> 00:25:31,480 And so it's been like a long time coming because he's been drumming for me for 575 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:35,900 over a year now and it's been a long time coming and it's just, it's fun. 576 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,670 It doesn't sound anything like the music that we make when we play my music. 577 00:25:38,679 --> 00:25:40,699 It sounds very like, kind of spacey. 578 00:25:40,710 --> 00:25:42,110 It's called Starry Sky. 579 00:25:42,780 --> 00:25:47,429 It'll be out on August 22nd and yeah, just for something completely different. 580 00:25:47,470 --> 00:25:50,490 I love to dabble in and have a reason to. 581 00:25:51,065 --> 00:25:54,775 Pull all the, all the tricks that I can musically out of the bag. 582 00:25:54,775 --> 00:25:57,895 So collaboration is a really fun way for me to let that loose. 583 00:25:57,925 --> 00:25:58,225 Right. 584 00:25:58,575 --> 00:25:59,864 Cause you're like, all right, all right. 585 00:25:59,865 --> 00:26:02,595 I'm should Daniels and I make America, you know, folk, 586 00:26:02,595 --> 00:26:04,804 Americana jam band kind of music. 587 00:26:05,155 --> 00:26:06,775 Uh, but I want to do everything else. 588 00:26:06,845 --> 00:26:10,854 So when I collaborate with people, it like allows me that freedom. 589 00:26:12,250 --> 00:26:12,830 Shaun Smith: Yeah. 590 00:26:13,210 --> 00:26:14,039 Yeah, absolutely. 591 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:18,210 Yeah, I like the, uh, I like the song that you did with, was it Shane Pulko? 592 00:26:18,630 --> 00:26:19,230 Is that how you pronounce 593 00:26:19,234 --> 00:26:19,614 Sug Daniels: Yeah. 594 00:26:19,614 --> 00:26:19,664 I think. 595 00:26:21,130 --> 00:26:21,390 So 596 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:22,719 Shaun Smith: Yeah, Sip the Years. 597 00:26:22,719 --> 00:26:23,730 That's a really great one. 598 00:26:23,730 --> 00:26:25,750 How did that come, how did that come together? 599 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:31,540 Sug Daniels: me and Shane had done a song with our friend Sam, Samuel 600 00:26:31,540 --> 00:26:33,660 Nobles, who's a piano player, producer. 601 00:26:33,980 --> 00:26:36,289 Uh, it also plays in the Sweet Void with me a lot of times. 602 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:41,180 Um, Sam had produced, uh, uh, some earlier music of mine. 603 00:26:41,660 --> 00:26:45,139 And then we like, uh, Mick the Max is my first EP and from Delaware. 604 00:26:45,139 --> 00:26:45,850 So we're all from Delaware. 605 00:26:45,850 --> 00:26:48,570 So we're just homies, you know, all living in Philadelphia now. 606 00:26:49,340 --> 00:26:53,390 And we had done a song before, um, called Take Your Time. 607 00:26:53,460 --> 00:26:54,370 And it did really good. 608 00:26:54,370 --> 00:26:55,650 We shot a music video for it. 609 00:26:55,660 --> 00:26:57,190 We loved working together. 610 00:26:57,780 --> 00:27:01,819 And he was putting an album together and asked me if I wanted to He sent me a 611 00:27:01,820 --> 00:27:05,760 couple songs, and this one was beautiful. 612 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,960 I just love I love What he was saying and I love the lyrics. 613 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,100 Um, Sam sounded amazing in it. 614 00:27:11,129 --> 00:27:15,379 And making music with your friends is kind of like taking a snapshot in time, right? 615 00:27:15,379 --> 00:27:17,439 Like, we'll be old ladies and old men. 616 00:27:17,439 --> 00:27:19,729 We'll be sitting in our rocking chairs and we have this music, all this 617 00:27:19,780 --> 00:27:21,310 beautiful music that we created together. 618 00:27:21,879 --> 00:27:24,619 Um, and we'll hear ourselves and be like, Oh my God, we sounded so young. 619 00:27:25,340 --> 00:27:28,330 You know, and maybe we'll look back and be like, Oh, it's embarrassing, but I'm just 620 00:27:28,340 --> 00:27:29,749 so glad that I get a chance to do this. 621 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:34,179 To make music with them and especially an artist like Shane Palco who's just 622 00:27:34,179 --> 00:27:39,489 like so about community and like living in the moment and like it's never felt 623 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:45,410 like he has been chasing this kind of like music clout like he makes music 624 00:27:45,420 --> 00:27:48,380 and he puts it out and if people like it they like it and if they don't they don't 625 00:27:48,710 --> 00:27:52,310 but people tend to like it they tend to love it because it just comes from such 626 00:27:52,540 --> 00:27:57,840 a beautiful authentic place um from from within with him and it's beautiful to be 627 00:27:57,890 --> 00:27:59,380 to be able to be a part of that you know. 628 00:27:59,915 --> 00:28:00,334 Shaun Smith: Yeah. 629 00:28:00,364 --> 00:28:03,004 I mean, I, it was great to hear your track on his album. 630 00:28:03,034 --> 00:28:06,485 Um, it's called the future already happened is the name of the album. 631 00:28:06,485 --> 00:28:08,735 And it was just, it was nice to hear you on there. 632 00:28:08,735 --> 00:28:13,515 And then I also, uh, heard you on a reggae song called daddy lessons that 633 00:28:13,515 --> 00:28:16,175 came out later, later, earlier this year. 634 00:28:16,524 --> 00:28:18,745 That was, that's an awesome song. 635 00:28:18,745 --> 00:28:20,175 So how did that come together? 636 00:28:20,175 --> 00:28:21,325 And are you a reggae fan? 637 00:28:21,395 --> 00:28:21,980 Ha 638 00:28:22,250 --> 00:28:23,940 Sug Daniels: Okay, first of all, yeah, who isn't 639 00:28:24,045 --> 00:28:24,987 Shaun Smith: ha ha ha 640 00:28:25,190 --> 00:28:28,610 Sug Daniels: you're missing out especially like no Especially like old school reggae 641 00:28:28,630 --> 00:28:32,539 is like this is beautiful soul music Like one of my favorite musicians of all

642 00:28:32,539 --> 00:28:33,940 time is actually cheats in the middle. 643 00:28:33,965 --> 00:28:34,855 Shaun Smith: Yes! 644 00:28:35,195 --> 00:28:35,475 Oh 645 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,710 Sug Daniels: middle like older stuff Oh, it's just I can put 646 00:28:38,710 --> 00:28:40,120 it I can listen to it on repeat. 647 00:28:40,189 --> 00:28:43,805 He is like singing from From the depth of his soul. 648 00:28:43,815 --> 00:28:45,855 So yes, definitely a reggae fan. 649 00:28:46,335 --> 00:28:47,785 Um, this band had reached out. 650 00:28:47,785 --> 00:28:48,555 They're from Canada. 651 00:28:48,575 --> 00:28:52,915 They reached out to me and we're just like, we're putting together. 652 00:28:52,935 --> 00:28:54,345 That's actually a Beyonce card. 653 00:28:54,365 --> 00:28:58,315 That's actually a reggae rendition of a earlier Beyonce song. 654 00:28:58,325 --> 00:28:59,365 That is a country song. 655 00:28:59,394 --> 00:29:02,465 So even before she put out the country album, she had 656 00:29:02,465 --> 00:29:03,785 a country song called daddy. 657 00:29:04,415 --> 00:29:05,325 Shaun Smith: Oh cool! 658 00:29:05,540 --> 00:29:06,960 Sug Daniels: everybody go listen to it, check it out. 659 00:29:06,980 --> 00:29:11,610 It came out way before, way before, um, Cowboy Carter did and all that stuff. 660 00:29:12,189 --> 00:29:16,260 But, I cut that record actually at home, like I did all my own vocals. 661 00:29:16,260 --> 00:29:19,040 I recorded it myself at my little like home studio. 662 00:29:19,610 --> 00:29:22,710 And sent it back and then they kind of like built it. 663 00:29:22,719 --> 00:29:25,740 So they had like the bass, a little bit of guitar. 664 00:29:26,380 --> 00:29:28,470 And that was kind of like, and then they had like a reference 665 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,970 track from, I think from one of the ladies who sings with that band. 666 00:29:32,570 --> 00:29:35,870 And so then I like recut the vocals and then they loved it. 667 00:29:35,910 --> 00:29:38,080 They put some really cool effects on it. 668 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:39,929 And it was fun, man. 669 00:29:39,929 --> 00:29:40,820 I don't know what I'm doing. 670 00:29:40,820 --> 00:29:41,910 I'm just trying to have fun. 671 00:29:41,910 --> 00:29:42,180 Like 672 00:29:43,175 --> 00:29:44,745 Shaun Smith: Oh it's a great, it's a fun song! 673 00:29:44,784 --> 00:29:45,694 It's a really fun 674 00:29:45,890 --> 00:29:48,710 Sug Daniels: like it 675 00:29:48,804 --> 00:29:49,645 Shaun Smith: Yeah, I can tell you're 676 00:29:49,710 --> 00:29:50,280 Sug Daniels: cut right there. 677 00:29:50,754 --> 00:29:51,794 Shaun Smith: Ha ha ha! 678 00:29:52,975 --> 00:29:54,425 And that's cool, you're a Toots fan! 679 00:29:54,434 --> 00:29:55,065 I love Toots! 680 00:29:56,050 --> 00:29:57,860 Sug Daniels: Oh my god, man, he's number one. 681 00:29:57,890 --> 00:30:02,100 I, one time I opened up for Sarah Shook and the Disarmers, and the guys who 682 00:30:02,100 --> 00:30:05,250

were running sound, I don't know, I think they maybe had him on a playlist, 683 00:30:05,269 --> 00:30:08,925 like, I don't know, they go, I love teaching the Meitongs, and They were 684 00:30:08,925 --> 00:30:12,445 like, yeah, we got to, we were running sound for him for like two years 685 00:30:12,465 --> 00:30:15,745 because he had just passed because he recently passed just a few years back. 686 00:30:15,755 --> 00:30:17,465 It hasn't been a long time. 687 00:30:17,465 --> 00:30:17,864 So R. 688 00:30:17,864 --> 00:30:18,054 P. 689 00:30:18,055 --> 00:30:22,895 to them, um, but yeah, he's phenomenal. 690 00:30:23,665 --> 00:30:24,575 Shaun Smith: and he really kept going. 691 00:30:24,575 --> 00:30:27,725 Yeah, he came out with an album, like, right before he died. 692 00:30:28,015 --> 00:30:29,295 And that was a great album. 693 00:30:29,325 --> 00:30:33,445 That was a, you know, I mean, His earlier stuff is, I mean, These are 694 00:30:33,445 --> 00:30:37,395 classic songs, um, Like, uh, 5446. 695 00:30:37,535 --> 00:30:39,165 Right, I think that's one of his originals. 696 00:30:39,195 --> 00:30:40,245 I love that song. 697 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:42,070 Sug Daniels: Yes. 698 00:30:42,140 --> 00:30:43,150 Oh my gosh. 699 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:43,520 Yeah. 700 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,160 It's just, it's beautiful soul music. 701 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:49,760 Like you can put that music right next to, uh, uh, James Brown and it's 702 00:30:49,770 --> 00:30:54,870 the same exact emotions, the same, uh, subject matters, the same topics. 703 00:30:54,870 --> 00:30:56,929 It's like, it's, he's talking to, you know, the government's 704 00:30:56,929 --> 00:30:59,610 coming, they're taking our money, the taxes are getting high. 705 00:30:59,749 --> 00:31:00,890 They've got this one song about. 706 00:31:01,495 --> 00:31:02,115 Time Tough. 707 00:31:02,415 --> 00:31:03,095 I love that song. 708 00:31:03,095 --> 00:31:04,375 It's basically about inflation. 709 00:31:04,895 --> 00:31:05,175 Shaun Smith: Oh, 710 00:31:05,475 --> 00:31:08,385 Sug Daniels: You know, and it was like in the, what, the 60s or 70s he wrote 711 00:31:08,395 --> 00:31:09,915 that song and we're still feeling that. 712 00:31:09,944 --> 00:31:13,865 That's still relevant, uh, that, that feeling today, you know. 713 00:31:14,395 --> 00:31:15,335 Shaun Smith: That's so cool. 714 00:31:15,895 --> 00:31:18,205 Yeah, and do you, so do you like playing covers? 715 00:31:20,385 --> 00:31:22,145 Sug Daniels: I feel like, yeah, they're fun. 716 00:31:22,145 --> 00:31:25,835 I, I write music because I want to perform that music because I want to express 717 00:31:25,835 --> 00:31:29,735 myself, but I don't like, you know, if a cover's good, I'm not going to poo poo it. 718 00:31:30,345 --> 00:31:31,885 I do a Strokes cover. 719 00:31:32,495 --> 00:31:36,135 Of, uh, someday that, that fans love. 720 00:31:36,135 --> 00:31:39,395 If I do it solo, I pick it and I make it really slow, beautiful. 721 00:31:39,805 --> 00:31:43,065 And if I play it with a band, um, we play it kind of country. 722 00:31:43,575 --> 00:31:46,245 And sometimes I don't even, I won't even introduce it. 723 00:31:46,245 --> 00:31:46,944 I'll just play it. 724 00:31:46,944 --> 00:31:49,565 And it's fun to see who comes up after and they're like, are you 725 00:31:49,565 --> 00:31:50,975 playing someday by the strokes? 726 00:31:51,325 --> 00:31:53,445 Cause it just doesn't, cause you know, cause they already 727 00:31:53,445 --> 00:31:54,805 did it the way that they did it. 728 00:31:54,925 --> 00:31:57,545 So if you're going to do a cover, I think it's always, unless you can 729 00:31:57,545 --> 00:31:59,295 kind of make it super identical. 730 00:31:59,415 --> 00:32:01,945 I just think it's fun to put your own spin on it, you know? 731 00:32:02,430 --> 00:32:05,120 Shaun Smith: Yeah, well I have to ask because of that, uh, Shania 732 00:32:05,130 --> 00:32:06,860 Twain cover, you're still the one. 733 00:32:07,570 --> 00:32:11,210 Sug Daniels: Yeah, you know, we try to, we try to soul that one up, you know, 734 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:12,680 we try to put some soul in that one. 735 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,079 I 736 00:32:14,100 --> 00:32:14,640 Shaun Smith: a good job. 737 00:32:14,650 --> 00:32:15,740 Why, why Shania? 738 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,920 I mean, that song was everywhere. 739 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,040 Uh, we, I think we're probably kind of came up around the same time. 740 00:32:21,270 --> 00:32:25,190 So that song was everywhere in like the 90s or 2000s or whatever it came up. 741 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,160 But why, why that song? 742 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:33,270 Sug Daniels: feel like my buddy Sam Nobles was like, we should cover it. 743 00:32:33,370 --> 00:32:34,029 And I was like, all right. 744 00:32:34,030 --> 00:32:36,890 It was like, that was enough of a reason. 745 00:32:36,899 --> 00:32:38,590 It was a good, it's a good song. 746 00:32:38,969 --> 00:32:42,800 Um, it's fun, it's fun to throw, it is fun to throw a cover. 747 00:32:43,235 --> 00:32:47,975 into a set, into a live set, you know, because I've never really, you know, I've 748 00:32:47,975 --> 00:32:49,385 always been able to get the audience. 749 00:32:49,435 --> 00:32:50,365 They like the music. 750 00:32:50,385 --> 00:32:51,554 I'm engaged with them. 751 00:32:51,555 --> 00:32:54,444 They're having a good time, but you throw a cover in there, especially 752 00:32:54,444 --> 00:32:57,715 something as iconic as Shania Twain's, You're Still the One. 753 00:32:57,734 --> 00:32:58,994 It's gonna hit, man. 754 00:32:58,994 --> 00:33:02,145 It's gonna hit and like, I'm just, I'm here to service the people. 755 00:33:02,145 --> 00:33:05,325 I'm here to make sure everybody's like having a good time. 756 00:33:05,335 --> 00:33:09,245 So really, honestly, there's not some kind of super deep connection. 757 00:33:09,255 --> 00:33:13,095 I did grow up in southern

Delaware, so of course I know who Shania Twain was. 758 00:33:13,105 --> 00:33:16,055 Like, kind of had a crush on her for a long time as a teenager. 759 00:33:16,585 --> 00:33:20,204 Um, but yeah, but it's right, but it's just a good song. 760 00:33:20,204 --> 00:33:21,875 She's a great songwriter, you know. 761 00:33:21,875 --> 00:33:22,645 Shout out to Canada. 762 00:33:23,940 --> 00:33:25,400 Shaun Smith: Canada has some great songwriters. 763 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:29,190 And then a bunch of those, uh, Canadians are coming down to the folk festival too. 764 00:33:29,190 --> 00:33:31,880 So, uh, maybe you'll pick up some more inspiration while you're there. 765 00:33:32,524 --> 00:33:33,914 Sug Daniels: Listen, I'm excited. 766 00:33:33,945 --> 00:33:34,464 I'm excited. 767 00:33:35,165 --> 00:33:36,635 The lineup looks great this year. 768 00:33:36,894 --> 00:33:39,415 My buddy Don Clemons is coming back around. 769 00:33:39,485 --> 00:33:42,160 Um, And he was a part of the Carolina Chocolate Drops. 770 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,410 I got a chance to open up from him, or open up for him at World 771 00:33:45,410 --> 00:33:47,130 Cafe Live earlier in the year. 772 00:33:47,170 --> 00:33:50,960 And, um, just like in this place, especially with folk music, because 773 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:55,390 it just creates this atmosphere for a community of like really sitting and 774 00:33:55,390 --> 00:33:59,165 letting like people who've been doing this, like, Mentor me, like mentor me. 775 00:33:59,185 --> 00:34:02,175 Like I just want to sit and like talk to them and ask them questions 776 00:34:02,175 --> 00:34:03,315 and like hear their stories. 777 00:34:03,765 --> 00:34:07,425 Uh, but opening up for him at World Cafe Lala was really sweet and special. 778 00:34:07,425 --> 00:34:11,074 We just like sat at the bar and he was telling me about his tour and his new 779 00:34:11,074 --> 00:34:15,765 music and I think he just won a Grammy and I'm just like, wow, this is amazing. 780 00:34:15,765 --> 00:34:18,715 I can just sit here and hang out with this guy and, you know, and 781 00:34:18,715 --> 00:34:21,115 he's just like looking at me and treating me like an equal, you know. 782 00:34:21,660 --> 00:34:23,660 Shaun Smith: I love the Carolina chocolate chops. 783 00:34:23,660 --> 00:34:24,420 I saw them. 784 00:34:25,020 --> 00:34:27,710 I can't remember if it was the Dave Matthews caravan in Atlantic 785 00:34:27,710 --> 00:34:29,200 city, or if it was Firefly. 786 00:34:29,220 --> 00:34:31,020 In, uh, in Dover, Delaware, uh, 787 00:34:31,140 --> 00:34:32,110 Sug Daniels: Oh wow. 788 00:34:32,180 --> 00:34:34,100 Shaun Smith: was smoking a lot more weed back then. 789 00:34:34,100 --> 00:34:37,730 So the time that those, those two summers kind of blur together, it was 790 00:34:37,730 --> 00:34:41,740 somewhere around that time and, uh, yeah, I mean, they were amazing when they 791 00:34:41,740 --> 00:34:43,280 were, when they were touring and stuff. 792 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:44,510 So that's, that's really cool. 793 00:34:44,620 --> 00:34:46,239 Yeah, 794 00:34:46,290 --> 00:34:49,840 Sug Daniels: cool to see a resurgence also in like Bluegrass, 795 00:34:49,869 --> 00:34:51,440 um, in with Black people. 796 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:55,789 Like from just even on a local level we have, um, Shamir just 797 00:34:56,149 --> 00:34:57,559 finished up their last record. 798 00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,329 They were hanging out with me and they were like talking to me about how 799 00:35:00,329 --> 00:35:03,330 they're super excited about this new project they have, Big Benny Bailey. 800 00:35:03,830 --> 00:35:07,280 Um, which is, you know, they're, this, you know, you know, queer 801 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:08,820 black artists playing guitar. 802 00:35:08,820 --> 00:35:12,080 They got a, uh, a mandolin player and they're running around, like, 803 00:35:12,090 --> 00:35:13,330 playing really cool bluegrass. 804 00:35:14,180 --> 00:35:18,190 Uh, and then another one I really, really have been into is, uh, New Danger Field. 805 00:35:18,230 --> 00:35:21,590 And that has, like, Jake Blount, who's, I think, Canadian. 806 00:35:22,430 --> 00:35:26,765 And, uh, I might butcher this name, and I'm so sorry if I do, but like, um, 807 00:35:26,815 --> 00:35:31,215 Kia Cater, who's a banjo player, and they're also Canadian, and they're just 808 00:35:31,215 --> 00:35:34,075 like, they got this beautiful music, you know, there's like a bass player, 809 00:35:34,075 --> 00:35:37,934 I can't remember his name, the guitar player, please forgive me, but yeah, 810 00:35:37,934 --> 00:35:42,720 it's wonderful to hear, yeah, Black people make this music, because We have 811 00:35:42,730 --> 00:35:47,450 these deep deep roots in American music and just American history throughout 812 00:35:47,490 --> 00:35:53,030 everything anything that you touch or see Uh, and yeah It's it's good to see 813 00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:57,550 people claiming reclaiming that being like we are also a part of the story Um 814 00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,919 and folk music is beautiful because I feel like right now, especially I mean, 815 00:36:00,919 --> 00:36:05,550 I'm only Folk Festival, Philadelphia Folk Festival, the first year that I played, 816 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:09,650 which was two years ago, um, that was my first time really kind of getting into the 817 00:36:09,650 --> 00:36:11,260 folk scene and I was like, oh this is it. 818 00:36:11,260 --> 00:36:16,280 This is heaven on earth, like everybody's hanging out, chilling, everybody's 819 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:17,899 welcome, there's all kind of people. 820 00:36:18,335 --> 00:36:20,255 Uh, so yeah, I think it's time. 821 00:36:20,255 --> 00:36:24,154 I'm excited to see what happens Yes 822 00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:26,840 Shaun Smith: agree that that it's cool to see black people like kind of 823 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:32,630 taking this back because I just heard recently on a

podcast that, um, bluegrass 824 00:36:32,690 --> 00:36:38,810 kind of like jazz are the only two original American, um, music, right? 825 00:36:38,820 --> 00:36:40,390 It's like that, that's American music. 826 00:36:40,390 --> 00:36:43,890 Like that's the only thing that we can really claim as our own as American. 827 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,500 And apparently the banjo was a, I believe it was an African 828 00:36:47,500 --> 00:36:48,990 instrument if I'm not mistaken. 829 00:36:48,990 --> 00:36:49,940 That's what I heard. 830 00:36:50,495 --> 00:36:51,745 Sug Daniels: I can't remember the name yet. 831 00:36:51,745 --> 00:36:54,665 You're 100 percent correct I can't remember the name of the instrument, 832 00:36:54,675 --> 00:37:00,065 but it the slaves were put trying to create this instrument from africa 833 00:37:00,085 --> 00:37:04,090 That was like a it's like a gourd and like some in some like Uh, like 834 00:37:04,090 --> 00:37:05,850 cow guts or something like that. 835 00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:09,650 So these, at first I think it was like fishing wire, and it's just, 836 00:37:09,890 --> 00:37:14,050 yeah, so it was them trying to create something from back home, uh, which 837 00:37:14,050 --> 00:37:16,119 is such a beautiful story, right? 838 00:37:16,119 --> 00:37:18,979 When you really think about it, because it's like, okay, these guys are slaves, 839 00:37:18,989 --> 00:37:23,960 which is literally the worst thing that you could ever be, um, and they're still 840 00:37:24,210 --> 00:37:27,800 creating places and spaces for joy. 841 00:37:28,620 --> 00:37:31,770 Because you create music when you feel joy, when you want to create joy, 842 00:37:31,770 --> 00:37:33,140 when you want to express yourself. 843 00:37:33,670 --> 00:37:37,370 Uh, so I think that's really an important part of that instrument and a part of 844 00:37:37,370 --> 00:37:41,779 that genre, that that story is really important because it's not just about 845 00:37:42,289 --> 00:37:46,080 slaves, it's about all of us, it's about how no matter how horrible and crazy 846 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:51,519 things can get, as humans we have to make sure that we are celebrating that we are 847 00:37:51,519 --> 00:37:56,639 alive and that we have today and tomorrow to continue fighting for ourselves, for 848 00:37:56,639 --> 00:37:58,149 our lives, for our joy, for our children. 849 00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:00,860 Shaun Smith: Yeah, absolutely. 850 00:38:00,940 --> 00:38:03,460 Yeah, yeah, that's so powerful. 851 00:38:03,540 --> 00:38:04,630 That's very powerful. 852 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,880 Yeah, and, you know, I have to ask, I forgot to ask you before 853 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,760 about your most recent release, uh, Leave a Light On for you. 854 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,420 You know, trying to find that, that light in the darkness. 855 00:38:13,460 --> 00:38:15,430 Uh, where did that song come from? 856 00:38:16,450 --> 00:38:17,630 Sug Daniels: Oh my God, I love playing that song. 857 00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:19,540 That's like my, that's like my barn burner song. 858 00:38:19,540 --> 00:38:23,080 I always play that one last because it's fun and like cheeky. 859 00:38:23,540 --> 00:38:26,950 So this song is, is I wrote that song like right before I moved to Philadelphia. 860 00:38:26,969 --> 00:38:29,150 I was dating this girl in Philly. 861 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,809 You know, I told you, you know, earlier I had went through this big breakup. 862 00:38:32,810 --> 00:38:36,120 I was with my partner, um, my previous partner for like 10 years. 863 00:38:36,330 --> 00:38:37,320 Shaun Smith: Oh, wow. 864 00:38:37,365 --> 00:38:39,085 Sug Daniels: happened and we were spending all this time together. 865 00:38:39,085 --> 00:38:42,484 And we were like, actually, we should not be together. 866 00:38:42,485 --> 00:38:45,634 Um, so then we, you know, we separated and, and, you know, took 867 00:38:45,635 --> 00:38:48,984 some time, uh, became really good friends or really good friends now. 868 00:38:48,984 --> 00:38:53,354 And then, you know, once I started getting back into the dating scene, uh, you know, 869 00:38:53,364 --> 00:38:57,005 I definitely met some people that were really fun, but this one particular girl 870 00:38:57,205 --> 00:39:00,625 lived in Philadelphia and it was, uh, you know, it wasn't the main, it wasn't 871 00:39:00,625 --> 00:39:05,514 the reason why I moved to Philly, but it definitely, you know, it didn't hurt. 872 00:39:07,450 --> 00:39:08,460 Shaun Smith: It never does. 873 00:39:10,855 --> 00:39:13,695 Sug Daniels: And I, and I remember just like this, the song really did leave 874 00:39:13,695 --> 00:39:18,005 a light on is, is really just about me taking a chance, traveling around. 875 00:39:18,065 --> 00:39:20,635 I'm always going to love this and explaining to this person, like, listen, 876 00:39:20,635 --> 00:39:22,874 this is my thing, but I'm coming back. 877 00:39:23,065 --> 00:39:23,625 I'm going to come back. 878 00:39:23,684 --> 00:39:25,485 I got to go bang on myself. 879 00:39:25,584 --> 00:39:26,975 You know, I got to go make this music. 880 00:39:26,975 --> 00:39:27,995 I got to go travel around. 881 00:39:27,995 --> 00:39:28,895 I got to do these things. 882 00:39:29,285 --> 00:39:31,585 Um, but like leave a light on me because I'm coming back, you know, and 883 00:39:31,585 --> 00:39:32,765 that's how I feel about Philadelphia. 884 00:39:32,905 --> 00:39:35,565 I really, I, I've been traveling a lot. 885 00:39:36,555 --> 00:39:39,065 I really feel like this could be my forever home, you know, I 886 00:39:39,065 --> 00:39:40,165 really, really feel like that. 887 00:39:40,630 --> 00:39:41,600 Shaun Smith: Oh, that's so cool. 888 00:39:41,630 --> 00:39:42,150 That's so cool. 889 00:39:42,150 --> 00:39:46,100 I love those types of songs that are kind of like, they kind of peel back 890 00:39:46,100 --> 00:39:47,580 the curtain a little bit, right? 891 00:39:47,580 -->

00:39:51,180 They break down the fourth wall and it's kind of like, you know, it's, it's like 892 00:39:51,190 --> 00:39:56,670 you get to, you know, as close to, uh, as a listener can get to, uh, to the 893 00:39:56,670 --> 00:39:58,680 singer songwriter life a little bit. 894 00:40:00,405 --> 00:40:02,155 Sug Daniels: yeah, yeah, it's wonderful. 895 00:40:02,925 --> 00:40:03,495 I love it. 896 00:40:03,935 --> 00:40:06,155 You know, I don't want anybody to be like, oh, is this, you know, 897 00:40:06,165 --> 00:40:07,434 not act like they don't know. 898 00:40:07,435 --> 00:40:10,219 So I just try to put it all out there, you know, so there's no, 899 00:40:10,219 --> 00:40:11,585 there's no rumors floating around. 900 00:40:12,605 --> 00:40:13,095 Shaun Smith: I love it. 901 00:40:13,095 --> 00:40:14,385 It's a great, it's a great track. 902 00:40:14,385 --> 00:40:18,905 Yeah, I love, I actually like, I mean, you can definitely see the progression 903 00:40:18,905 --> 00:40:21,665 over the years and everything that you've released in the past year. 904 00:40:21,985 --> 00:40:24,965 It's just banger after banger, one after another. 905 00:40:25,075 --> 00:40:28,525 I mean, they're just, it seems like it's just keeping, keeps getting better. 906 00:40:28,925 --> 00:40:31,605 Uh, you had mentioned, I think that you're, uh, or maybe you 907 00:40:31,605 --> 00:40:34,375 didn't, or are you, uh, in the studio or you're recording? 908 00:40:34,375 --> 00:40:37,945 What's, what's, uh, what's next for Suge Daniels besides the Folk Festival? 909 00:40:38,635 --> 00:40:40,975 Sug Daniels: Yeah, I mean, I'm always trying to get this video. 910 00:40:40,975 --> 00:40:46,205 You see, you know, it's like, I feel like, one of the harder parts for me, right? 911 00:40:46,205 --> 00:40:48,755 Like I love writing music, performing is so fun. 912 00:40:48,755 --> 00:40:52,155 That just feels like second nature, but it could be a little nerve wracking 913 00:40:52,175 --> 00:40:55,194 to get into a studio and be like, okay, like one of these takes is going 914 00:40:55,194 --> 00:40:59,304 to be the take that everyone's going to hear whenever they look up their 915 00:40:59,305 --> 00:41:00,724 song, but they look me up and stuff. 916 00:41:00,724 --> 00:41:03,795 So I've been, the last year, I've definitely been trying to get in 917 00:41:03,825 --> 00:41:06,715 the studio as often as I can and to just get comfortable with it. 918 00:41:06,775 --> 00:41:10,340 And I think a part of it is just like, you know, I, writing 919 00:41:10,340 --> 00:41:11,600 songs is super accessible. 920 00:41:11,670 --> 00:41:13,940 I can sit down and write a song in time. 921 00:41:14,370 --> 00:41:17,890 Um, and then performing, I've always been, you know, I've been good at booking. 922 00:41:17,910 --> 00:41:18,630 I know how to do it. 923 00:41:18,630 --> 00:41:19,680 I know how to send the email. 924 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,010 I know how to, I know how to get the booking agent

to say yes. 925 00:41:22,750 --> 00:41:26,720 But studio stuff, you know, until recently, I never even had a home studio. 926 00:41:26,740 --> 00:41:28,160 It just wasn't an animal. 927 00:41:28,190 --> 00:41:31,110 I couldn't practice with my microphone, practice the levels or 928 00:41:31,110 --> 00:41:34,220 anything like that, or try to figure out what kind of sound do I like. 929 00:41:34,730 --> 00:41:36,480 Um, but I love to write music. 930 00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:41,150 So now I feel like I'm in that space of trying to close that gap of, all right, 931 00:41:41,150 --> 00:41:45,360 I have this awesome live performance, I have these good songs, um, and I 932 00:41:45,369 --> 00:41:50,809 want my recordings to really reflect the emotional intensity, you know, of, 933 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,670 of what, what I'm feeling in my mind and in my heart when I'm, when I'm 934 00:41:54,670 --> 00:41:56,259 writing them or when I'm singing them, 935 00:41:56,595 --> 00:41:57,305 Shaun Smith: Oh, that's awesome. 936 00:41:57,905 --> 00:42:02,055 Do you get like some, some inspiration from, uh, from like a festival like 937 00:42:02,055 --> 00:42:03,365 the Philadelphia Folk Festival? 938 00:42:03,365 --> 00:42:05,995 Does it kind of energize you to, uh, to write 939 00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:10,180 Sug Daniels: I just, man, yeah, every, live performances always make me feel like 940 00:42:10,210 --> 00:42:14,550 I can't wait to get back in the studio and I can't wait to write the music Um, I 941 00:42:14,550 --> 00:42:16,770 got a chance to open up for Molly Tuttle 942 00:42:16,875 --> 00:42:17,605 Shaun Smith: Oh, well. 943 00:42:18,210 --> 00:42:18,670 Sug Daniels: Yeah. 944 00:42:18,670 --> 00:42:20,170 And it came up pressure. 945 00:42:20,330 --> 00:42:22,900 It was like a, um, what was it called? 946 00:42:22,910 --> 00:42:24,220 Concert under the stars. 947 00:42:24,300 --> 00:42:27,130 It's like a WSBN vocal point entertainment put together. 948 00:42:27,130 --> 00:42:27,740 It was really fun. 949 00:42:27,740 --> 00:42:31,900 But I was like, you know, and we're talking about bluegrass now, or, you know, 950 00:42:31,970 --> 00:42:34,820 a little while ago, but I was like, I think I'm gonna make some bluegrass music 951 00:42:34,820 --> 00:42:37,000 soon, like, or at least have some of that. 952 00:42:37,020 --> 00:42:39,699 Now the album is already kind of like finished as far as like 953 00:42:39,699 --> 00:42:42,469 song list and a lot of the music. 954 00:42:43,090 --> 00:42:46,280 For all the songs are put down, but like, I'm going to be doing forever. 955 00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,370 So I was like, all right, well, I think maybe the next album, I want 956 00:42:49,370 --> 00:42:53,230 to write a couple of songs, a couple of teams that like really lean into 957 00:42:53,230 --> 00:42:55,300 bluegrass because that music is so fine. 958 00:42:55,300 --> 00:43:00,680 And like for them to not have a drummer, how, how danceable that music is.

959 00:43:00,730 --> 00:43:03,680 And like, yeah, how it's just like all the subject matter. 960 00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:07,170 And like, I don't know, it's just a really, really beautiful, um, and, and 961 00:43:07,170 --> 00:43:10,410 I'm listening to some bluegrass, but I don't think that I'd ever really felt 962 00:43:13,020 --> 00:43:16,750 So, yeah, live performance is always, like, getting fired up. 963 00:43:16,750 --> 00:43:18,140 Mhm. 964 00:43:18,330 --> 00:43:20,950 Shaun Smith: inspire anybody, I think, to write some bluegrass, or at least 965 00:43:20,950 --> 00:43:24,480 listen to it, because she is, she's amazing, and she's one of, I go to the 966 00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:29,830 Philadelphia Folk Festival because of the, uh, because of like the musical discovery, 967 00:43:30,130 --> 00:43:35,020 and I saw a young Molly Tuttle perform on the Thursday night concert just for 968 00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,630 campers, and she blew everybody away. 969 00:43:37,650 --> 00:43:40,290 I mean, she was absolutely, and I became a fan immediately. 970 00:43:40,290 --> 00:43:44,960 I think it was her, I think it was, Sturgill Simpson played on the same bill, 971 00:43:45,460 --> 00:43:50,709 In like, I don't even know, 2012, 2010. 972 00:43:50,710 --> 00:43:53,000 Like it was a long, it seemed like a long time ago. 973 00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,590 Uh, again, I was smoking a lot of reefer back then. 974 00:43:55,590 --> 00:44:00,040 So the years, the years kind of blend together, but I remember the performance 975 00:44:00,060 --> 00:44:02,510 and, and I've been a huge fan ever since. 976 00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:04,350 And, uh, yeah. 977 00:44:04,350 --> 00:44:08,000 So what was your impression of the Folk Festival a couple of years ago? 978 00:44:09,245 --> 00:44:09,795 Sug Daniels: Oh my God. 979 00:44:09,845 --> 00:44:13,525 It was, it was really, I feel like life changing for me and it was life 980 00:44:13,525 --> 00:44:16,595 changing in the sense where I really, you hear a lot, especially as a 981 00:44:16,615 --> 00:44:20,985 musician that it's like, okay, you want to go viral and that's really cool. 982 00:44:20,985 --> 00:44:24,515 But like, in order to really sustain yourself and your career, you need to find 983 00:44:24,515 --> 00:44:28,225 a community of people and it needs to be like a give and take, like you can't just 984 00:44:28,745 --> 00:44:31,585 think about it by myself and listen to my music, like what are you doing for them? 985 00:44:31,585 --> 00:44:34,324 And I think the Folk Festival was really the first time I ever 986 00:44:34,325 --> 00:44:35,774 really seen what it looks like. 987 00:44:36,065 --> 00:44:39,615 For musicians to be supported by the community, because they're 988 00:44:39,625 --> 00:44:43,845 really giving their all, they're really going out of their way to. 989 00:44:44,365 --> 00:44:47,955 You know, bring the positivity, bring the messaging to bring the people together. 990 00:44:48,385 --> 00:44:51,365 Um, and the camping was just so fun. 991 00:44:51,365 --> 00:44:53,514 I will be camping this year also. 992 00:44:53,535 --> 00:44:54,524 Like I'm playing this year. 993 00:44:54,535 --> 00:44:55,355 I'm very excited. 994 00:44:55,355 --> 00:44:56,165 I'm going to be camping. 995 00:44:56,565 --> 00:44:59,294 Um, and just hanging out all night because it's, the party 996 00:44:59,295 --> 00:45:00,534 isn't over after, after the camp. 997 00:45:00,795 --> 00:45:01,995 the, the festival. 998 00:45:02,025 --> 00:45:05,985 It's, even after that, you know, you go back to the campsites and everybody's just 999 00:45:06,325 --> 00:45:10,955 making food and sharing food and sharing stories and playing, playing songs. 1000 00:45:10,964 --> 00:45:14,475 The first time I ever touched a banjo was at Philadelphia 1001 00:45:14,475 --> 00:45:15,694 Folk Festival two years ago. 1002 00:45:16,055 --> 00:45:19,084 And now I have one in my studio, in my little home studio because 1003 00:45:19,084 --> 00:45:20,225 I was like, oh, this is magic. 1004 00:45:20,315 --> 00:45:23,655 This is like such a fun, you know, nobody cared that I didn't sound all that good. 1005 00:45:23,675 --> 00:45:25,615 They just were, come here, you're welcome. 1006 00:45:25,645 --> 00:45:28,645 Sit down, play this, like, you know, have a sip of this drink. 1007 00:45:28,645 --> 00:45:29,925 I didn't know what it was, but it was good. 1008 00:45:30,425 --> 00:45:34,205 Uh, you know, and yeah, so very excited to be back. 1009 00:45:34,205 --> 00:45:35,405 I, I highly recommend it. 1010 00:45:35,405 --> 00:45:38,645 I think it's just an experience like no other, especially while I've ever been 1011 00:45:39,275 --> 00:45:41,305 Shaun Smith: Yeah, the ukulele is a lot more portable than some of 1012 00:45:41,305 --> 00:45:42,575 the other instruments I've seen. 1013 00:45:42,575 --> 00:45:48,265 Uh, I saw a full drum kit, uh, one year, full drum kit, just set up. 1014 00:45:48,545 --> 00:45:49,705 And of course he's not moving. 1015 00:45:49,705 --> 00:45:51,685 So people would just come to him and 1016 00:45:51,865 --> 00:45:52,315 Sug Daniels: Yeah. 1017 00:45:52,315 --> 00:45:52,765 Yeah. 1018 00:45:52,765 --> 00:45:55,375 I think I, I think that he was definitely there. 1019 00:45:55,525 --> 00:45:59,155 And then some people will like wheel in a big piano, like there was one campsite, 1020 00:45:59,425 --> 00:46:00,625 and that's something cool too, right? 1021 00:46:00,625 --> 00:46:04,375 There's all these like little campsites and they have their own names, like 1022 00:46:04,375 --> 00:46:07,345 little villages and like over here in this village, they have like a. 1023 00:46:07,595 --> 00:46:10,395 They'll have a drum kit, and over here in this next village, they'll have like 1024 00:46:10,395 --> 00:46:13,205 an upright piano, and you're like, how the heck did they get that back here? 1025 00:46:13,555 --> 00:46:15,835 Um, and then, you know, over here they have like a

circle 1026 00:46:15,835 --> 00:46:18,385 of people playing banjos, and there's some violins over there. 1027 00:46:18,394 --> 00:46:21,385 So it's just like, you feel like you're in another world. 1028 00:46:21,605 --> 00:46:23,015 Shaun Smith: Oh, it's definitely another world. 1029 00:46:23,015 --> 00:46:23,195 Yeah. 1030 00:46:23,195 --> 00:46:24,655 There's some upright bases. 1031 00:46:24,915 --> 00:46:28,435 You get the Philadelphia jug band have their whole, they basically have 1032 00:46:28,455 --> 00:46:32,415 a small city, it seems like they're with, I don't even know, like they'll 1033 00:46:32,415 --> 00:46:34,515 have 20 people performing at any time. 1034 00:46:34,545 --> 00:46:37,315 I mean, it's, it's quite a performance out there. 1035 00:46:39,114 --> 00:46:39,765 Sug Daniels: it's wild. 1036 00:46:39,845 --> 00:46:40,355 It's wild. 1037 00:46:40,374 --> 00:46:41,238 Looking forward to it. 1038 00:46:41,238 --> 00:46:43,425 Obviously, you, so you already fucking seen me out there, 1039 00:46:43,425 --> 00:46:44,245 how are you gonna link up? 1040 00:46:44,275 --> 00:46:45,305 We got a biggest jam. 1041 00:46:45,545 --> 00:46:47,185 Shaun Smith: Oh yeah, definitely, definitely. 1042 00:46:47,185 --> 00:46:50,445 Yeah, and I'm stoked that you're going to be performing on the extreme, 1043 00:46:50,785 --> 00:46:54,035 the extreme folk stage with WXPN. 1044 00:46:54,305 --> 00:46:57,285 How does it feel to, uh, to make folk music extreme? 1045 00:46:58,420 --> 00:47:00,390 Sug Daniels: I love it, you know, like I said, I think it's 1046 00:47:00,390 --> 00:47:01,850 just such a welcoming genre. 1047 00:47:01,850 --> 00:47:04,950 It's like, I feel like growing up, I thought folk music 1048 00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:06,240 was this one kind of thing. 1049 00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:09,829 It was like, maybe kind of sleepy, sleepy girl, guitar music. 1050 00:47:10,140 --> 00:47:14,099 And now that I'm older, I'm like, Oh, John Prine is not sleepy in slightest. 1051 00:47:15,219 --> 00:47:18,340 And then in wide awake, you know, spiritually and musically, you 1052 00:47:18,340 --> 00:47:19,730 know, it's fun, really fun stuff. 1053 00:47:19,730 --> 00:47:21,800 So I feel like I can just be myself. 1054 00:47:21,810 --> 00:47:22,480 And it's like, I need to. 1055 00:47:22,745 --> 00:47:26,845 Adhere to any kind of anything, you know, like not the way that I look 1056 00:47:26,845 --> 00:47:28,165 or the way that I found or anything. 1057 00:47:28,165 --> 00:47:30,145 It's just that people just want you to be honest. 1058 00:47:30,195 --> 00:47:34,585 They want you to be the most you that you can be, which I think whether you're 1059 00:47:34,585 --> 00:47:39,244 making music or, you know, brewing beer or having a podcast, if you are 1060 00:47:39,245 --> 00:47:43,285 your true authentic self, then you give people the opportunity to learn and 1061 00:47:43,285 --> 00:47:45,265 also to see themselves reflected in you. 1062 00:47:45,285 --> 00:47:47,395 And if you're pretending to be anybody else, you're robbing 1063 00:47:47,395 --> 00:47:48,905 them of that opportunity. 1064 00:47:49,595 --> 00:47:50,595 Shaun Smith: That's so amazing. 1065 00:47:50,635 --> 00:47:51,105 Yeah. 1066 00:47:51,525 --> 00:47:55,695 Yeah, well, well, Suge, um, yeah, I ask every guest three questions, 1067 00:47:55,695 --> 00:47:58,165 but was there anything that I didn't ask you that you think that I should 1068 00:47:58,165 --> 00:48:00,665 have asked or anything else you want to talk about before I get down to 1069 00:48:00,665 --> 00:48:02,795 these, uh, these final three questions? 1070 00:48:02,795 --> 00:48:02,984 Yes. 1071 00:48:03,990 --> 00:48:06,140 Sug Daniels: Um, no, I just, I definitely want people to know I got an album 1072 00:48:06,140 --> 00:48:07,490 coming out, working on that album. 1073 00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:11,200 Finished up some, some drums with my, my beautiful drummer, Alice Clayton. 1074 00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:15,810 He's moving out to, um, Minnesota, which I'm excited about, but, well, sad 1075 00:48:15,810 --> 00:48:18,789 about, but also excited about because that opens up a whole new market for 1076 00:48:18,789 --> 00:48:23,740 us to go touring and make some friends and fans, but it'll be out in 2025. 1077 00:48:24,030 --> 00:48:26,520 It's got some good friends, some really good players on it. 1078 00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:30,400 And a lot of this music that if you've ever come to a lot of that, your favorite 1079 00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,400 songs are going to be on this album. 1080 00:48:32,410 --> 00:48:34,310 So I'm excited about that. 1081 00:48:34,425 --> 00:48:35,075 Shaun Smith: That's awesome. 1082 00:48:35,075 --> 00:48:38,535 Any idea when in 2025, like first half, second half? 1083 00:48:42,815 --> 00:48:43,315 Cool. 1084 00:48:43,550 --> 00:48:43,570 Sug Daniels: know. 1085 00:48:44,025 --> 00:48:44,525 Shaun Smith: That's all right. 1086 00:48:44,959 --> 00:48:47,329 Sug Daniels: it's finishing up, but I want, I definitely, I want to shop around. 1087 00:48:47,329 --> 00:48:48,730 I want to see if anybody's interested. 1088 00:48:48,730 --> 00:48:53,190 Cause it's hard on me, you know, I could definitely do it by myself, but 1089 00:48:53,230 --> 00:48:57,879 if there are any labels that want to help, you know, or any kind of, you 1090 00:48:57,950 --> 00:49:00,450 know, I would be interested in listening. 1091 00:49:00,620 --> 00:49:03,770 So I'm, I'm not gonna, I don't want to say a date yet because I don't want to 1092 00:49:03,780 --> 00:49:08,250 have to tell you any different, but what I will say, um, is that I do plan on 1093 00:49:08,669 --> 00:49:13,020 doing some kind of sneak peek releases to people who are on like my email list. 1094 00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,110 My friend club and you can sign up for that. 1095 00:49:16,110 --> 00:49:16,960 If you go to shugdaniels. 1096 00:49:17,180 --> 00:49:21,570 com, that's S U G D A N I E L S dot com.

1097 00:49:21,570 --> 00:49:26,200 And you scroll down and a little, you know, friend club, sign up, you know, 1098 00:49:26,209 --> 00:49:31,109 once a month, I send out tour dates, music videos, and cool music clips 1099 00:49:31,110 --> 00:49:33,110 and podcasts and stuff like that. 1100 00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:37,850 So if you, if you like, uh, spreading love, joy in, in, in the form of, in 1101 00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,480 shape of music, you know, sign up. 1102 00:49:41,175 --> 00:49:41,585 Shaun Smith: Absolutely. 1103 00:49:41,615 --> 00:49:43,395 I'm a proud member of the friend club. 1104 00:49:44,390 --> 00:49:45,110 Sug Daniels: Thank you. 1105 00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:45,810 Thank you. 1106 00:49:46,085 --> 00:49:46,755 Shaun Smith: That's awesome. 1107 00:49:46,755 --> 00:49:47,125 Well, yeah. 1108 00:49:47,125 --> 00:49:49,185 So Shug, uh, final three questions. 1109 00:49:49,495 --> 00:49:53,595 Um, so what was the first album that you ever received or, um, 1110 00:49:53,595 --> 00:49:54,445 that you went out and bought? 1111 00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:59,300 Sug Daniels: The first album that I ever got was probably my dad buying 1112 00:49:59,310 --> 00:50:01,630 me The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill. 1113 00:50:01,725 --> 00:50:02,025 Shaun Smith: Wow. 1114 00:50:02,025 --> 00:50:02,785 What a great album. 1115 00:50:03,609 --> 00:50:04,690 Sug Daniels: Yeah, that was funny. 1116 00:50:04,700 --> 00:50:08,890 It was, it really, man, there's just so many things it did for me, but definitely 1117 00:50:09,290 --> 00:50:11,500 made me really proud to be a woman. 1118 00:50:12,130 --> 00:50:16,580 And I think that even though that like sounds kind of funny, sometimes when you 1119 00:50:16,580 --> 00:50:20,779 grow up in certain households, like I definitely grew up in a very male forward 1120 00:50:20,780 --> 00:50:25,170 Christian household and sometimes it just felt like women were like second bananas, 1121 00:50:25,269 --> 00:50:26,599 you know, for lack of better terms. 1122 00:50:26,610 --> 00:50:30,099 Even though I've seen the women in my family, you know, with the good jobs, 1123 00:50:30,140 --> 00:50:33,090 taking care of the kids, running the households, taking us to school, doing 1124 00:50:33,090 --> 00:50:38,495 all the things, um, just felt I heard this song, I was like, oh yeah, I can 1125 00:50:38,495 --> 00:50:40,785 have, I can take pride in who I am. 1126 00:50:40,865 --> 00:50:44,255 And just because I'm a woman, you know, my, my worth is more than just the look, 1127 00:50:44,585 --> 00:50:46,695 the look of my face and my hair, my body. 1128 00:50:47,195 --> 00:50:50,895 Um, and then also to just keep, to be honest in my music. 1129 00:50:51,225 --> 00:50:52,305 Uh, it taught me that too. 1130 00:50:52,990 --> 00:50:53,640 Shaun Smith: That's great. 1131 00:50:53,660 --> 00:50:54,130 That's great. 1132 00:50:54,130 --> 00:50:55,090 CD or cassette? 1133 00:50:55,090 --> 00:50:56,790 Just because we were talking about cassettes earlier. 1134 00:50:57,805 --> 00:50:59,305 Sug Daniels: That one was a CD my dad got me. 1135 00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:00,050 Shaun Smith: Awesome. 1136 00:51:00,130 --> 00:51:00,700 Awesome. 1137 00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:01,620 That's so cool. 1138 00:51:02,020 --> 00:51:04,280 Um, what was the first concert that you ever attended? 1139 00:51:05,794 --> 00:51:10,795 Sug Daniels: The first concert I ever attended was probably Go Go Bordello in 1140 00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:12,470 Shaun Smith: No way! 1141 00:51:12,545 --> 00:51:14,875 Sug Daniels: I'm like, yeah, cause I was like, you know, like I said, 1142 00:51:14,875 --> 00:51:18,305 I just had so many, I had a lot of eclectic taste in music growing up. 1143 00:51:18,695 --> 00:51:21,385 And there was like a moment in time when me and my friends 1144 00:51:21,395 --> 00:51:22,635 listened to Go Go Bordello. 1145 00:51:22,935 --> 00:51:25,735 Like right out of high school, we were just like all like, you know, 1146 00:51:26,330 --> 00:51:30,230 And the system, taxes are bad, like we gotta, we gotta mobilize, we gotta 1147 00:51:30,310 --> 00:51:34,750 get the people together, and like Coco Burgello was like perfect for that. 1148 00:51:35,310 --> 00:51:39,540 feeling like it was perfect for that and it was so it was one of 1149 00:51:39,540 --> 00:51:44,171 my tip of the day one of the best concerts i ever seen well i'll tell 1150 00:51:44,475 --> 00:51:48,775 Shaun Smith: I, I was good friends with, uh, uh, for a time with the bass 1151 00:51:48,775 --> 00:51:52,345 player of big wig, uh, shout out to Zach Lawrence and, uh, big wig was a 1152 00:51:52,345 --> 00:51:58,805 New Jersey punk band and, um, he would rave about Google Bordello concerts. 1153 00:51:58,805 --> 00:52:01,835 He'd say, never have seen anything like this before. 1154 00:52:02,175 --> 00:52:04,775 And uh, unfortunately I never went to one and I always, I 1155 00:52:04,775 --> 00:52:06,285 was always on the bucket list. 1156 00:52:06,595 --> 00:52:08,665 So, uh, that's, that is really cool. 1157 00:52:08,665 --> 00:52:09,575 But there is definitely a, 1158 00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,940 Sug Daniels: they're touring they still tour all the time and i know i you know 1159 00:52:12,940 --> 00:52:16,140 i'm a delaware girl they're going to be at the queen in wilmington i think 1160 00:52:16,149 --> 00:52:19,909 like early september um just if you're still interested they're still doing 1161 00:52:19,910 --> 00:52:23,300 the thing i know the lineup changes all the time so i think you've got a bunch 1162 00:52:23,300 --> 00:52:27,270 of new players now um talking about you the lead singer eugene he's kind of like 1163 00:52:27,270 --> 00:52:32,305 you The brainchild of that band, but I do think for like what they stand for 1164 00:52:32,755 --> 00:52:36,425 and like the energy of that music, man I feel like everybody should go see google 1165 00:52:37,580 --> 00:52:38,470 Shaun Smith: That's so cool. 1166 00:52:38,500 -->

00:52:39,180 Yeah, that's so cool. 1167 00:52:39,180 --> 00:52:40,240 I'm going to put that on the list. 1168 00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:43,150 I actually just wrote it down so I can, I can look that up because I would 1169 00:52:43,150 --> 00:52:46,150 love to go see them because that is, yeah, you're right, there's an energy 1170 00:52:46,150 --> 00:52:49,550 there, but then there's all that, that authenticity where it's like, they're 1171 00:52:49,550 --> 00:52:51,450 not trying to be anything different. 1172 00:52:51,470 --> 00:52:54,700 They're just, you know, they're, they're playing traditional music, right? 1173 00:52:54,710 --> 00:52:58,280 They're a folk music, but putting that modern spin on it, giving it a 1174 00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:02,750 little bit of a metal, harder edge, um, you know, a lot of energy, man, 1175 00:53:02,810 --> 00:53:05,900 that's, I never thought I would be talking to you about Golgo Bordello. 1176 00:53:05,900 --> 00:53:06,800 That's so amazing. 1177 00:53:07,695 --> 00:53:09,145 Sug Daniels: a little bit of everything that doots and the 1178 00:53:09,145 --> 00:53:10,845 maytas go go burndale lauryn hill. 1179 00:53:11,064 --> 00:53:15,025 Let's listen if it's good Is good Quincy Jones said that he said there's only two 1180 00:53:15,025 --> 00:53:17,085 kinds of music good music and bad music. 1181 00:53:17,085 --> 00:53:18,591 That's 1182 00:53:18,655 --> 00:53:19,965 Shaun Smith: true, that's so true. 1183 00:53:20,015 --> 00:53:20,805 That's amazing. 1184 00:53:21,195 --> 00:53:26,995 So my last, my last question is, uh, what is your favorite, uh, song or, 1185 00:53:26,995 --> 00:53:30,795 excuse me, what is your favorite, uh, soundtrack or score from a movie? 1186 00:53:32,465 --> 00:53:33,985 And musicals don't count. 1187 00:53:34,125 --> 00:53:36,305 Don't, don't hit me with rent or something like that. 1188 00:53:39,145 --> 00:53:41,105 Sug Daniels: would never I would never although that music is 1189 00:53:41,105 --> 00:53:44,294 very good Oh, man, that's tough. 1190 00:53:44,294 --> 00:53:45,175 That's really tough. 1191 00:53:45,565 --> 00:53:46,644 I feel like 1192 00:53:51,345 --> 00:53:59,854 Let me check you might have to like clip the audio for this I will say 1193 00:54:00,234 --> 00:54:02,234 that although the movie didn't age. 1194 00:54:02,234 --> 00:54:05,015 Well, the soundtrack was really good garden state 1195 00:54:05,515 --> 00:54:06,555 Shaun Smith: Oh, wow! 1196 00:54:06,555 --> 00:54:07,545 Ha ha 1197 00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,180 Sug Daniels: Because I had like that was my first time hearing like Nick Drake 1198 00:54:10,220 --> 00:54:14,310 and I remember watching it on DVD and stopping it and being like, what is this? 1199 00:54:14,430 --> 00:54:14,770 Who is this? 1200 00:54:15,690 --> 00:54:19,300 And, you know, you can scroll through the credits and stuff like that at that 1201 00:54:19,300 --> 00:54:22,090 point in time and I found that song because I was like, this is amazing. 1202 00:54:22,090 --> 00:54:23,900 Yeah. 1203 00:54:23,900 --> 00:54:25,709 Yeah. 1204 00:54:25,765 --> 00:54:26,935 Shaun Smith: slang is on that. 1205 00:54:29,475 --> 00:54:34,485 I have to, I, so the podcast is not about me, but I just have to, I have to 1206 00:54:34,485 --> 00:54:38,985 share this story because I went to go see Garden State in the movie theater 1207 00:54:39,135 --> 00:54:43,105 when I was in, I was in high school and I was dating a girl at the time. 1208 00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:50,340 And she had, uh, a hamster that had died, I don't know, maybe a day or 1209 00:54:50,570 --> 00:54:51,029 Sug Daniels: my god, 1210 00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:52,740 Shaun Smith: before we saw that movie. 1211 00:54:53,180 --> 00:54:56,820 And the scene when, I think, Peanut Butter, the hamster, and the mom's 1212 00:54:56,820 --> 00:54:59,170 like, Peanut Butter dropped dead. 1213 00:54:59,655 --> 00:55:05,475 I couldn't, I don't know, this is my black humor, I could not stop laughing. 1214 00:55:05,505 --> 00:55:10,245 I, I had, I literally had to, yeah, probably it led to the breakup. 1215 00:55:11,385 --> 00:55:13,575 I had to literally, I was crying. 1216 00:55:13,575 --> 00:55:14,935 I had to leave the theater. 1217 00:55:15,125 --> 00:55:16,215 I couldn't breathe. 1218 00:55:16,515 --> 00:55:17,745 I mean, it was just, you know, it was. 1219 00:55:19,059 --> 00:55:21,429 Sug Daniels: You are cold blooded, man. 1220 00:55:21,739 --> 00:55:23,320 That's exactly what you brought over to me. 1221 00:55:24,330 --> 00:55:25,700 That scene was so funny, though. 1222 00:55:25,750 --> 00:55:26,400 It really was. 1223 00:55:26,865 --> 00:55:28,435 Shaun Smith: that's such a great soundtrack, too. 1224 00:55:28,475 --> 00:55:32,465 That was definitely formative, uh, formative for me personally. 1225 00:55:32,765 --> 00:55:34,115 So uh, so yeah, that 1226 00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:38,409 Sug Daniels: Oh, and it had that, um, It had that, that Imogen Heap song that got 1227 00:55:38,410 --> 00:55:41,510 really crazy popular at the end where they're like running through the, like the 1228 00:55:41,510 --> 00:55:43,590 classic running through the airport scene. 1229 00:55:43,875 --> 00:55:44,705 Shaun Smith: oh yeah, 1230 00:55:45,610 --> 00:55:47,720 Sug Daniels: was, that was how I discovered that song. 1231 00:55:48,119 --> 00:55:50,909 So yeah, wonderful, wonderful soundtrack. 1232 00:55:50,909 --> 00:55:53,319 That's probably one of the best soundtracks I feel like it is. 1233 00:55:53,470 --> 00:55:54,270 I'm glad that I heard it. 1234 00:55:54,270 --> 00:55:55,280 I feel like it really helped me. 1235 00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:59,810 It shaped a lot of my music taste for, for a while, for, for a long while, 1236 00:55:59,810 --> 00:56:03,150 but there's a lot of really, really amazing music in that movie for sure. 1237 00:56:03,435 --> 00:56:05,964 Shaun Smith: yeah, I think there's even an Elliot Smith song on there too. 1238 00:56:06,365 -->

00:56:08,924 Sug Daniels: Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1239 00:56:09,205 --> 00:56:09,895 Shaun Smith: so cool. 1240 00:56:10,215 --> 00:56:14,395 So cool, well Shug Daniels, um, I know you're performing, uh, 1 o'clock at 1241 00:56:14,395 --> 00:56:19,054 the Tank Stage at the Philadelphia Folk Festival, 1 o'clock on Saturday, uh, at 1242 00:56:19,055 --> 00:56:23,245 the Tank Stage, which is the one that's, uh, if you're looking, it's, it's stage 1243 00:56:23,245 --> 00:56:26,075 left, it's like if you're looking at the stage, it's all the way over to the right. 1244 00:56:26,305 --> 00:56:29,245 But do you have any, uh, other upcoming performances or anything else you want 1245 00:56:29,245 --> 00:56:30,675 to tell the, uh, the folks at home? 1246 00:56:31,685 --> 00:56:34,725 Sug Daniels: yeah, if you don't, if you don't catch me there, I'll be, and if 1247 00:56:34,725 --> 00:56:38,395 you're in New Jersey, I'm playing the Oktoberfest in Medford, New Jersey. 1248 00:56:38,665 --> 00:56:42,834 I think it's called Freedom Park on September 21st, uh, and then I will also 1249 00:56:42,835 --> 00:56:45,774 be doing a women's, uh, writers round. 1250 00:56:46,260 --> 00:56:50,050 At World Cafe Live on September 7th? 1251 00:56:50,430 --> 00:56:51,480 Yeah, September 7th. 1252 00:56:51,950 --> 00:56:53,930 Um, and then also, like, I'm always touring. 1253 00:56:53,970 --> 00:56:56,940 It's kind of, like, playing music and selling merchandise 1254 00:56:57,630 --> 00:56:59,250 are my main forms of income. 1255 00:56:59,269 --> 00:57:02,820 So, if you, if you log onto my website, shugdaniels. 1256 00:57:02,850 --> 00:57:04,460 com slash tour. 1257 00:57:05,370 --> 00:57:07,000 All my dates are there and I make it easy. 1258 00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:08,660 So I put ticket links on there too. 1259 00:57:08,950 --> 00:57:10,740 Um, I got a lot of touring coming up. 1260 00:57:10,740 --> 00:57:12,080 I'm going to be in Syracuse. 1261 00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,390 I'm going to be in Cleveland for the first time. 1262 00:57:15,700 --> 00:57:16,880 Uh, lots of Delaware stuff. 1263 00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:19,439 So anybody, any of my Delaware listeners just check out, you 1264 00:57:19,439 --> 00:57:22,280 know, s u g d a n i e l s. 1265 00:57:22,550 --> 00:57:23,110 com. 1266 00:57:23,590 --> 00:57:26,290 And, uh, yeah, I can't, I love, I love making music. 1267 00:57:26,290 --> 00:57:28,240 I love meeting people and singing songs. 1268 00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:30,430 It's such a fun way to introduce yourself to someone. 1269 00:57:30,850 --> 00:57:32,090 Um, so yeah, come say hi. 1270 00:57:32,730 --> 00:57:33,400 Shaun Smith: That's awesome. 1271 00:57:33,420 --> 00:57:35,180 Well, I can't wait to see you at the Folk Festival. 1272 00:57:35,870 --> 00:57:37,670 Sug Daniels: Anyway, I can't wait to meet you in person, man. 1273 00:57:37,670 --> 00:57:39,860 This was a good, this was a good hang. 1274 00:57:40,060 --> 00:57:40,750 Shaun Smith: Absolutely. 1275 00:57:40,750 --> 00:57:40,900 Yeah. 1276 00:57:40,900 --> 00:57:42,030 I can't wait to do it in person. 1277 00:57:42,030 --> 00:57:42,220 Yeah. 1278 00:57:42,220 --> 00:57:43,270 Let's make a point to do it. 1279 00:57:44,290 --> 00:57:45,050 Sug Daniels: Yeah, man. 1280 00:57:45,060 --> 00:57:46,240 Thank you so much for having me. 1281 00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:49,640 I appreciate everybody who gives me the opportunity to like talk about music 1282 00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:51,080 and spread a little light and joy. 1283 00:57:51,510 --> 00:57:51,940 Shaun Smith: Absolutely. 1284 00:57:51,940 --> 00:57:54,320 Hey, keep spreading light and joy and, uh, there'll be plenty 1285 00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:55,510 more opportunities for you. 1286 00:57:56,340 --> 00:57:56,969 Sug Daniels: Thank you, man. 1287 00:57:56,970 --> 00:57:57,769 I appreciate it. 1288 00:57:57,970 --> 00:57:58,750 Shaun Smith: That's awesome. 1289 00:57:59,050 --> 00:57:59,810 Shug, thank you. 1290 00:57:59,810 --> 00:58:00,940 This was a great chat. 1291 00:58:01,589 --> 00:58:01,980 Sug Daniels: Thank you. 1292 00:58:01,980 --> 00:58:02,779 I think so too. 1293 00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:03,979 That's fun. 1294 00:58:04,310 --> 00:58:05,100 Shaun Smith: Absolutely. 1295 00:58:05,100 --> 00:58:10,790 So my goal is to get this out by, so I'm, I'm leaving Thursday morning. 1296 00:58:10,890 --> 00:58:14,550 Uh, so my goal would be to get this out by the end of the day on Wednesday. 1297 00:58:14,810 --> 00:58:17,150 So hopefully people will be listening to this, like as 1298 00:58:17,150 --> 00:58:18,130 they're going to the festival. 1299 00:58:19,020 --> 00:58:20,059 Sug Daniels: Well, that sounds wonderful. 1300 00:58:20,330 --> 00:58:23,590 So yeah, just tag me, send it to me and I'll blast it. 1301 00:58:23,590 --> 00:58:25,380 I'll blast it as soon as you, as soon as you send it. 1302 00:58:25,490 --> 00:58:27,110 Shaun Smith: Yeah, and I'll definitely, I'll try to come over 1303 00:58:27,110 --> 00:58:28,360 and say hi to you on Saturday. 1304 00:58:29,060 --> 00:58:29,380 Sug Daniels: Yeah. 1305 00:58:29,380 --> 00:58:31,310 And if you don't catch my show, you're doing something else. 1306 00:58:31,310 --> 00:58:33,190 Just, just come make, let's just make it a point. 1307 00:58:33,190 --> 00:58:36,170 I would love to just shake your hand and give you a hug and say, thanks. 1308 00:58:36,170 --> 00:58:36,550 All right. 1309 00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:38,900 Shaun Smith: Yeah, I'll, I'll, uh, I'll text you, uh, I'll 1310 00:58:38,900 --> 00:58:39,810 text you at the festival. 1311 00:58:39,810 --> 00:58:40,490 How about that? 1312 00:58:41,070 --> 00:58:42,070 Sug Daniels: Sounds good. 1313 00:58:42,430 --> 00:58:43,560 Shaun Smith: Thanks again for all your time. 1314 00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:44,530 I really appreciate it. 1315 00:58:44,540 --> 00:58:47,140 And, uh, yeah, this is a, this is a fantastic conversation. 1316 00:58:47,140 --> 00:58:48,630 I really can't wait to meet you in

person. 1317 00:58:49,430 --> 00:58:50,380 Sug Daniels: Thank you, Shannon. 1318 00:58:50,380 --> 00:58:51,099 You have a good one, man. 1319 00:58:51,099 --> 00:58:51,729 I appreciate you. 1320 00:58:51,730 --> 00:58:52,230 Shaun Smith: Thank you. 1321 00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:52,780 Appreciate you. 1322 00:58:52,790 --> 00:58:53,660 Have a great day. 1323 00:58:54,290 --> 00:58:54,400 Bye 1324 00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:54,650 Sug Daniels: right. 1325 00:58:54,659 --> 00:58:55,079 Bye bye. 1326 00:59:04,439 --> 00:59:06,029 Shaun Smith: Hey Shug, how you doing today? 1327 00:59:06,669 --> 00:59:08,629 Sug Daniels: I am well, Shaun how about yourself? 1328 00:59:08,649 --> 00:59:10,049 Shaun Smith: I'm great, thank you. 1329 00:59:10,149 --> 00:59:10,769 I'm great. 1330 00:59:11,139 --> 00:59:13,799 Hey, thanks for taking some time to, uh, talk to me today. 1331 00:59:14,559 --> 00:59:15,469 Sug Daniels: Heck yeah, my pleasure. 1332 00:59:15,469 --> 00:59:16,139 I love chatting. 1333 00:59:16,309 --> 00:59:17,079 I love a good visit. 1334 00:59:17,679 --> 00:59:18,619 Shaun Smith: Awesome. 1335 00:59:19,099 --> 00:59:22,399 Um, anything specifically you'd like me to ask you? 1336 00:59:24,129 --> 00:59:25,049 Sug Daniels: Um, no. 1337 00:59:25,899 --> 00:59:27,129 Maybe it's about music. 1338 00:59:27,239 --> 00:59:29,909 It's always nice to talk about that. 1339 00:59:29,909 --> 00:59:31,779 You know, it's always nice to talk about that. 1340 00:59:31,949 --> 00:59:34,539 Shaun Smith: Yeah, I'll see if I can come up with a question about music. 1341 00:59:34,819 --> 00:59:35,829 Ha ha ha. 1342 00:59:35,829 --> 00:59:38,769 Anything, uh, anything specifically you don't want to talk about? 1343 00:59:39,914 --> 00:59:42,804 Sug Daniels: No, no, pretty much an open book. 1344 00:59:43,029 --> 00:59:43,619 Shaun Smith: Awesome. 1345 00:59:43,749 --> 00:59:44,189 Awesome. 1346 00:59:44,579 --> 00:59:45,969 Uh, any time constraints? 1347 00:59:45,969 --> 00:59:49,949 I usually go like an hour max, uh, but we can cut it whenever you need to. 1348 00:59:50,634 --> 00:59:51,884 Sug Daniels: No, ours sounds good. 1349 00:59:52,139 --> 00:59:52,549 Shaun Smith: Cool. 1350 00:59:53,379 --> 00:59:53,989 Good deal. 1351 00:59:54,349 --> 00:59:55,359 Uh, you sound great. 1352 00:59:55,359 --> 00:59:56,019 How do I sound? 1353 00:59:56,019 --> 00:59:56,979 Can you hear me okay? 1354 00:59:57,464 --> 00:59:58,384 Sug Daniels: Yeah, you sound wonderful. 1355 00:59:58,599 --> 00:59:59,189 Shaun Smith: Awesome. 1356 00:59:59,189 --> 01:00:00,289 Oh, you sound wonderful. 1357 01:00:00,289 --> 01:00:01,119 That's why I'm talking to you. 1358 01:00:02,749 --> 01:00:03,479 Awesome. 1359 01:00:03,529 --> 01:00:03,769 Cool. 1360 01:00:03,769 --> 01:00:07,129 So I usually just start it with, uh, I'll say, Shug Daniels, welcome 1361 01:00:07,129 --> 01:00:09,219 to the High Note Podcast, and then we'll just go from there. 1362 01:00:10,134 --> 01:00:10,774 Sug Daniels: Sounds good. 1363 01:00:10,784 --> 01:00:11,264 Shaun Smith: Awesome. 1364 01:00:11,264 --> 01:00:12,104 So you're good to go. 1365 01:00:12,244 --> 01:00:12,804 Great. 1366 01:00:12,964 --> 01:00:13,624 Sug Daniels: good to go. 1367 01:00:14,784 --> 01:00:15,634 Shaun Smith: Shug Daniels. 1368 01:00:15,634 --> 01:00:17,214 Welcome to the high note podcast. 1369 01:00:17,244 --> 01:00:18,354 How are you doing today? 1370 01:00:19,014 --> 01:00:20,954 Sug Daniels: I'm good, Shaun thanks for having me. 1371 01:00:21,074 --> 01:00:22,344 Shaun Smith: Oh, thanks for coming on. 1372 01:00:22,344 --> 01:00:23,224 I really appreciate it. 1373 01:00:23,224 --> 01:00:27,054 I'm really excited to see you in a, now it's, it's a few days away 1374 01:00:27,054 --> 01:00:28,694 at the Philadelphia Folk Festival. 1375 01:00:29,344 --> 01:00:31,584 Sug Daniels: I know, it's coming up so fast. 1376 01:00:32,904 --> 01:00:34,584 Shaun Smith: So Shug, tell me a little bit about yourself. 1377 01:00:34,584 --> 01:00:38,754 How did you, uh, how did you start getting into music and being a singer songwriter? 1378 01:00:40,024 --> 01:00:41,474 Sug Daniels: Alright, I'll try to keep it quick, because it's 1379 01:00:41,494 --> 01:00:43,594 really like a lifelong journey, but 1380 01:00:44,199 --> 01:00:46,619 Shaun Smith: We take all, we can take all the time you need. 1381 01:00:46,619 --> 01:00:47,349 Go for it. 1382 01:00:48,319 --> 01:00:50,529 Sug Daniels: well, I started singing when I was little, right? 1383 01:00:50,549 --> 01:00:53,519 Like, I don't really remember my first time on stage or anything like that. 1384 01:00:53,519 --> 01:00:54,779 I grew up, um, in church. 1385 01:00:54,779 --> 01:00:55,709 My mom was a singer. 1386 01:00:56,029 --> 01:00:58,029 She was a phenomenal, is a phenomenal singer. 1387 01:00:58,039 --> 01:01:02,299 She doesn't sing as much anymore, which I am sad about, but I remember, 1388 01:01:02,300 --> 01:01:05,649 you know, watching her sing and just like being with, you know, in church 1389 01:01:05,649 --> 01:01:09,259 with my congregation and just like seeing people, like the reaction was 1390 01:01:09,269 --> 01:01:12,299 so emotional and so hopeful and joyful. 1391 01:01:12,299 --> 01:01:15,299 And just like, I've always known, I was like, that's it. 1392 01:01:15,339 --> 01:01:17,389 That's the thing that I want to do. 1393 01:01:17,599 --> 01:01:19,799 I want to do that for people when I become an adult. 1394 01:01:20,769 --> 01:01:23,419 And you know, you get older, you know, I've always been singing and 1395 01:01:23,419 --> 01:01:24,469 writing little songs and stuff. 1396 01:01:24,509 --> 01:01:26,449 And then you get older and people like, yeah, well, what's 1397 01:01:26,449 --> 01:01:27,609 your real job going to be? 1398 01:01:27,609 --> 01:01:30,499 And I was like, I don't know, maybe I'll do a little bit of this and that. 1399 01:01:31,089 --> 01:01:33,099 I did, but ultimately this, this is it. 1400 01:01:33,099 -->

01:01:37,859 I've been, uh, making music full time now in October of last year. 1401 01:01:37,859 --> 01:01:41,469 So I'm coming up on my near scene of making music full time. 1402 01:01:41,489 --> 01:01:45,559 You know, I don't regret my Chipotle days or anything like that, but 1403 01:01:45,589 --> 01:01:49,129 this is definitely feeling very like aligned with who I am. 1404 01:01:49,789 --> 01:01:50,569 Shaun Smith: Oh, that's great. 1405 01:01:50,579 --> 01:01:53,049 What was, was there a single thing that made you say that, 1406 01:01:53,079 --> 01:01:54,749 okay, I'm going all in on this? 1407 01:01:56,799 --> 01:01:59,049 Sug Daniels: I mean, so I've always wanted to do it. 1408 01:01:59,234 --> 01:02:01,384 But I remember the day that I quit my job. 1409 01:02:01,854 --> 01:02:02,874 I'll tell you that story. 1410 01:02:03,124 --> 01:02:07,704 So I had, I'm from Delaware originally and I moved to Philadelphia after this 1411 01:02:07,714 --> 01:02:11,604 really big breakup and after the pandemic and well, not after the pandemic, but like 1412 01:02:11,604 --> 01:02:15,294 once people could kind of move around a bit more and music started picking up, I 1413 01:02:15,294 --> 01:02:16,564 was like, all right, well, you know what? 1414 01:02:16,564 --> 01:02:17,774 I think I'm down for a change. 1415 01:02:17,774 --> 01:02:19,844 I need to change, you know? 1416 01:02:20,294 --> 01:02:23,074 And then I was like, I'm going to move to Philadelphia because it's not that far. 1417 01:02:23,074 --> 01:02:26,004 Delaware is like Philadelphia's country cousin, you know, right down the street. 1418 01:02:26,059 --> 01:02:27,549 Shaun Smith: just right up by 95. 1419 01:02:27,954 --> 01:02:28,824 Sug Daniels: You know what I'm saying? 1420 01:02:28,834 --> 01:02:31,174 And I was living in Wilmington at the time too. 1421 01:02:31,484 --> 01:02:34,084 So I could get on a train and I was coming up here and I was visiting 1422 01:02:34,084 --> 01:02:37,144 more of my friends and I was like, let me just go ahead and make the jump. 1423 01:02:37,144 --> 01:02:38,594 I can always come back to Delaware. 1424 01:02:38,604 --> 01:02:39,374 I have friends here. 1425 01:02:39,374 --> 01:02:41,334 Like, you know, Delaware is not going anywhere. 1426 01:02:41,934 --> 01:02:46,344 Uh, so I moved up to, to Philadelphia and I had a coffee shop job. 1427 01:02:46,394 --> 01:02:47,224 I worked at a cafe. 1428 01:02:47,264 --> 01:02:49,654 I was like, I'm either going to work at a bar or I'm going to work 1429 01:02:49,654 --> 01:02:53,604 at a cafe, you know, So I can have part time hours, make some tips. 1430 01:02:53,694 --> 01:02:57,384 And I'm much more of a morning person than I am a night owl. 1431 01:02:57,394 --> 01:03:00,314 So I was like, let me go ahead, wake up in the morning, make people some 1432 01:03:00,314 --> 01:03:03,704 coffee, come home, write my songs, you know, get with, get with friends, write 1433 01:03:03,704 --> 01:03:05,984 music, do that, you know, then I can gig. 1434 01:03:06,374 --> 01:03:11,194 So about two years into working at this cafe and I'd been doing good in music. 1435 01:03:11,194 --> 01:03:14,394 I was at WXPN, you know, our local station was playing my music. 1436 01:03:14,394 --> 01:03:16,004 I was, the gigs were picking up. 1437 01:03:16,004 --> 01:03:17,134 I was doing pretty good. 1438 01:03:17,654 --> 01:03:21,554 Um, I had rode my little electric scooter from South Philly. 1439 01:03:22,004 --> 01:03:26,854 Up into like center city and it was fun riding the scooter, but this this 1440 01:03:26,874 --> 01:03:31,864 particular day was really cold I was like, oh my god My hands were freezing and I was 1441 01:03:31,974 --> 01:03:35,644 you know Opened up the cafe and one of my customers had come in and at this point 1442 01:03:35,704 --> 01:03:38,954 all of my customers knew that I was A musician right there following me online. 1443 01:03:38,954 --> 01:03:39,284 That's what you do. 1444 01:03:39,284 --> 01:03:39,944 You move to the city. 1445 01:03:39,954 --> 01:03:42,874 You tell everybody what you do Uh, she was really cool. 1446 01:03:42,874 --> 01:03:44,544 She said why are you still working here? 1447 01:03:44,544 --> 01:03:47,904 I just seen you, you know, you're going on tour and I was like, you know, i'm just 1448 01:03:47,984 --> 01:03:52,329 i'm gonna make the break soon She said one day you're gonna come in here You And 1449 01:03:52,329 --> 01:03:53,869 it's going to be cold on that scooter. 1450 01:03:53,869 --> 01:03:55,399 And you're going to be like, no, I don't want to do this. 1451 01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:57,969 And it was so cold earlier that day. 1452 01:03:57,969 --> 01:03:59,419 I was thinking when she was saying that. 1453 01:03:59,829 --> 01:04:01,599 So as soon as she walked out, I texted my boss. 1454 01:04:01,599 --> 01:04:06,139 I said, Hey man, I really appreciate you letting me work at this cafe, but I 1455 01:04:06,139 --> 01:04:09,479 think I'm going to go ahead and pursue music full time, he wished me well. 1456 01:04:09,479 --> 01:04:12,339 And, you know, I'd already had some money, a little bit of money saved up. 1457 01:04:12,339 --> 01:04:14,809 So I knew I could not work for three months and I'd be good. 1458 01:04:14,809 --> 01:04:16,919 So I was like, all right, if I could just book some more stuff. 1459 01:04:17,334 --> 01:04:19,034 I think I'll, I'll think I'll be pretty good. 1460 01:04:19,054 --> 01:04:20,554 So that was it. 1461 01:04:21,109 --> 01:04:21,829 Shaun Smith: Oh, that's great. 1462 01:04:21,829 --> 01:04:22,609 Congratulations. 1463 01:04:22,619 --> 01:04:23,469 That's really awesome. 1464 01:04:25,319 --> 01:04:27,729 How do you like Philly as opposed to Delaware? 1465 01:04:29,204 --> 01:04:31,204 Sug Daniels: I mean, they're both their own kind of creature though. 1466 01:04:31,244 --> 01:04:34,364 I like that Philadelphia has so much going on. 1467 01:04:34,394 --> 01:04:37,524 It can be a little

distracting sometimes, but I'm always, I'm 1468 01:04:37,524 --> 01:04:38,864 always like having so much fun. 1469 01:04:38,974 --> 01:04:40,294 I moved from South Philly. 1470 01:04:40,314 --> 01:04:41,424 I was there for like two years now. 1471 01:04:41,424 --> 01:04:44,644 I'm in West Philly with my partner and our roommate and our beautiful cat. 1472 01:04:45,204 --> 01:04:48,574 Um, and there's a bit more trees here, which I really enjoy. 1473 01:04:48,574 --> 01:04:50,914 I'm, you know, I'm from Southern Delaware, so I'm a nature girl. 1474 01:04:50,924 --> 01:04:52,174 I'm a, you know, I'm a country girl. 1475 01:04:52,494 --> 01:04:53,174 I love the trees. 1476 01:04:53,174 --> 01:04:56,484 I got a little garden, garden bed in the front yard, which is nice. 1477 01:04:56,484 --> 01:04:59,834 My peppers are growing and, uh, my carrots are growing. 1478 01:04:59,834 --> 01:05:04,124 They're doing their thing, but it's, it really is a city full of neighborhoods. 1479 01:05:04,184 --> 01:05:07,864 Like I like all my neighbors are really fun and friendly and wonderful to talk to. 1480 01:05:08,324 --> 01:05:09,524 Um, the city is really diverse. 1481 01:05:09,524 --> 01:05:11,854 It's got great food, great culture, great art. 1482 01:05:11,854 --> 01:05:12,404 I think that. 1483 01:05:13,024 --> 01:05:16,594 The city knows that the artists are a big deal here. 1484 01:05:16,804 --> 01:05:19,864 I feel like the arts are really supported in Philadelphia. 1485 01:05:20,394 --> 01:05:21,784 Um, yeah. 1486 01:05:21,834 --> 01:05:24,354 And, oh my God, I love getting on a little train. 1487 01:05:24,364 --> 01:05:26,354 I love going anywhere for like two bucks and 50 cents. 1488 01:05:26,354 --> 01:05:27,084 It's so cool. 1489 01:05:29,429 --> 01:05:30,149 Shaun Smith: That's great. 1490 01:05:30,329 --> 01:05:32,759 Yeah, I was actually, I was going to ask you, what do you think about the music 1491 01:05:32,759 --> 01:05:35,049 scene in Philly as opposed to in Delaware? 1492 01:05:35,059 --> 01:05:37,749 Because Delaware does have a vibrant music scene. 1493 01:05:37,749 --> 01:05:39,859 It's probably a little less known than the Philly one. 1494 01:05:40,674 --> 01:05:41,664 Sug Daniels: Oh, absolutely. 1495 01:05:41,724 --> 01:05:45,119 I mean, I feel like one, the first thing to remember is that 1496 01:05:45,119 --> 01:05:46,379 like, it's a numbers game, right? 1497 01:05:46,399 --> 01:05:49,779 Like there's just a humongous population here in Philadelphia. 1498 01:05:49,779 --> 01:05:53,199 So of course there's going to be more singers, songwriters, venues 1499 01:05:53,239 --> 01:05:55,999 that can accommodate more people, more people that are just able, 1500 01:05:56,049 --> 01:05:57,709 you're just able to expose yourself. 1501 01:05:58,199 --> 01:06:01,259 Um, so I think for me being an artist full time, you can be an 1502 01:06:01,269 --> 01:06:02,769 artist in any way, shape, or form. 1503 01:06:02,769 --> 01:06:05,559 It's not always, it's never, it's never about making money, but if 1504 01:06:05,559 --> 01:06:06,419 you're trying to be an artist. 1505 01:06:07,034 --> 01:06:12,274 and make a living being in a market that has the capacity to support you 1506 01:06:12,284 --> 01:06:15,334 I think is really important and the thing that artists really you have to 1507 01:06:15,334 --> 01:06:18,894 separate those things right like you can be an artist anywhere but to be 1508 01:06:18,894 --> 01:06:24,494 an artist where there's venues that people go to on you know Wednesday 1509 01:06:25,140 --> 01:06:26,369 Shaun Smith: Yeah, 1510 01:06:26,505 --> 01:06:29,044 Sug Daniels: you know you don't have to just play covers for three hours 1511 01:06:29,054 --> 01:06:34,834 you can play original stuff and people want to hear that So I love it because 1512 01:06:34,834 --> 01:06:38,194 I feel like this place can support also, we do have the train, we do 1513 01:06:38,194 --> 01:06:44,304 have a, um, an airport, we do have a little bit more transportation to get 1514 01:06:44,314 --> 01:06:47,564 out of the city if you're like going to do a tour and stuff like that. 1515 01:06:47,604 --> 01:06:51,634 So this place just has, you know, it just has the infrastructure for 1516 01:06:51,674 --> 01:06:54,114 a really big booming music scene. 1517 01:06:54,534 --> 01:06:58,354 Um, I think Delaware has, Phenomenal artists, some of the coolest artists 1518 01:06:58,354 --> 01:07:01,694 and especially like underground scenes that I've seen in a lot of cities. 1519 01:07:02,094 --> 01:07:05,844 Um, but it just didn't have the, the, what I needed in order to support 1520 01:07:05,844 --> 01:07:09,114 myself in the way that I wanted to create music and create art, 1521 01:07:10,449 --> 01:07:11,619 Shaun Smith: that's, that's really cool. 1522 01:07:11,659 --> 01:07:12,229 That's really cool. 1523 01:07:12,229 --> 01:07:15,109 I'm glad that you made the move because, uh, if you didn't, I might 1524 01:07:15,109 --> 01:07:18,309 not have discovered you on the bill for the Philadelphia Folk Festival. 1525 01:07:19,024 --> 01:07:20,884 Sug Daniels: you know, you know. 1526 01:07:22,214 --> 01:07:24,594 Shaun Smith: Now, how did you, uh, what made you want to pick up 1527 01:07:24,594 --> 01:07:26,674 the ukulele of all instruments? 1528 01:07:27,499 --> 01:07:29,039 Sug Daniels: Well, it's, it's a funny story. 1529 01:07:29,069 --> 01:07:31,619 I've been like, so I've been singing since I was a little girl. 1530 01:07:31,659 --> 01:07:35,289 And I was like in this really cool rap group with my cousins for like 10 years. 1531 01:07:35,739 --> 01:07:37,499 Um, until I got tired and I was like, all right, I don't think 1532 01:07:37,499 --> 01:07:39,949 I really want to make that music anymore and do something different. 1533 01:07:39,979 --> 01:07:42,399 And then I was singing in a funk soul band called Hoochie Coochie. 1534 01:07:42,399 --> 01:07:44,699 And that was really fun, but I didn't play

any instruments. 1535 01:07:44,739 --> 01:07:45,979 I mostly just like sang. 1536 01:07:48,464 --> 01:07:52,394 When the pandemic hit and I couldn't get with my band to make music because, 1537 01:07:52,404 --> 01:07:54,594 you know, uh, the desire never left. 1538 01:07:54,594 --> 01:07:58,164 I always collaborated with somebody, but then all of a sudden I find myself 1539 01:07:58,194 --> 01:08:03,694 after like, 15, 16 years of making music professionally being like, 1540 01:08:03,704 --> 01:08:05,524 oh man, I can't I'm like crippled. 1541 01:08:05,524 --> 01:08:11,974 I can't do So my roommate at the time was a musician and she played guitar and stuff 1542 01:08:12,004 --> 01:08:15,614 and I started playing bass in the basement just because like You know, she wasn't 1543 01:08:15,614 --> 01:08:17,314 gigging either and that was pretty fun. 1544 01:08:18,064 --> 01:08:21,304 It was my first time ever playing an instrument I never I didn't have guitars 1545 01:08:21,304 --> 01:08:22,404 or anything like that growing up. 1546 01:08:22,434 --> 01:08:25,384 I was just some And she had a ukulele in her room and she was like, 1547 01:08:25,394 --> 01:08:26,694 you should, you should have this. 1548 01:08:26,944 --> 01:08:30,514 Like, you should learn something so you can keep making music. 1549 01:08:31,309 --> 01:08:33,939 So I started making music and playing around on that. 1550 01:08:33,969 --> 01:08:38,869 And it just was so like, not, it was so unintimidating, you know, it's just, 1551 01:08:38,879 --> 01:08:40,759 it's tiny, it's little, it's loud. 1552 01:08:40,759 --> 01:08:42,509 Like me, you know, so I was like relatable. 1553 01:08:42,969 --> 01:08:46,229 Um, it's not, it's hard to make it sound bad. 1554 01:08:46,269 --> 01:08:50,009 Honestly, the, the, just the way that the strings are in the chords, 1555 01:08:50,449 --> 01:08:51,859 it's just a beautiful instrument. 1556 01:08:52,279 --> 01:08:56,169 So I just started messing around and just writing songs because writing 1557 01:08:56,169 --> 01:08:58,409 songs sounds is just what I do. 1558 01:08:58,409 --> 01:09:01,944 Um, I think I started putting stuff up online, like some live stuff. 1559 01:09:01,974 --> 01:09:08,054 And the reaction that I got was so, um, obvious and profound. 1560 01:09:08,164 --> 01:09:10,074 I was like, Oh, I guess this is what I do now. 1561 01:09:11,024 --> 01:09:12,914 I guess I'll be a ukulele player. 1562 01:09:13,444 --> 01:09:18,514 Um, and I didn't really know either, but like ukulele fans are like hardcore fans. 1563 01:09:18,524 --> 01:09:22,354 People who like, love the ukulele, freaking love the ukulele. 1564 01:09:22,354 --> 01:09:27,949 So I also kind of found myself in this really fun niche and welcoming Um 1565 01:09:27,979 --> 01:09:32,609 community of of people that had this love for this cool little instrument. 1566 01:09:33,504 --> 01:09:34,224 Shaun Smith: That's awesome. 1567 01:09:34,224 --> 01:09:36,144 Yeah, you make it sound beautiful for sure. 1568 01:09:36,144 --> 01:09:39,664 And, but it, you don't, you don't play a traditional ukulele, do you? 1569 01:09:39,674 --> 01:09:40,394 Or maybe you do. 1570 01:09:40,394 --> 01:09:43,694 I think I saw an electric ukulele or something. 1571 01:09:43,724 --> 01:09:46,254 Um, yeah, tell me about that. 1572 01:09:46,784 --> 01:09:51,424 Sug Daniels: So I feel like when I first started, I was really, 1573 01:09:52,934 --> 01:09:54,374 I just was just messing around. 1574 01:09:54,384 --> 01:09:57,314 And then once I started, I seen that it was getting attention 1575 01:09:57,314 --> 01:09:58,584 and people were excited about it. 1576 01:09:58,594 --> 01:10:00,794 I was like, Oh, well, I'm going to play live. 1577 01:10:01,464 --> 01:10:02,804 And cause I love to perform. 1578 01:10:02,804 --> 01:10:03,634 It's just so fun. 1579 01:10:03,634 --> 01:10:06,384 It's such a fun way for me to connect with other humans. 1580 01:10:06,544 --> 01:10:09,524 You know, it's like to just make a fool of myself in front of them 1581 01:10:10,124 --> 01:10:11,244 and hoping to have a good time. 1582 01:10:11,614 --> 01:10:13,394 So I was like, all right, well, what can I do? 1583 01:10:13,414 --> 01:10:14,954 Cause the ukulele I had was like. 1584 01:10:15,284 --> 01:10:16,484 It was more classical. 1585 01:10:16,484 --> 01:10:18,884 It was, uh, you know, didn't have any pickups or anything in it. 1586 01:10:19,364 --> 01:10:20,384 And so I started Googling. 1587 01:10:20,384 --> 01:10:23,594 I lived with my buddy Rob at the time who was a, literally, he's a luer. 1588 01:10:23,684 --> 01:10:26,714 He had done that for as a career for a long time and still does it on the side. 1589 01:10:27,124 --> 01:10:30,034 And he was like, well, maybe we can find one and put some pickups in there. 1590 01:10:30,034 --> 01:10:33,614 And then we would, you know, sit and Google and see like what kind 1591 01:10:33,614 --> 01:10:34,994 of instruments were out there. 1592 01:10:35,174 --> 01:10:40,054 And Fender had like a line of ukuleles that, you know, had, uh, had a 1593 01:10:40,054 --> 01:10:43,714 pickup in it and you could plug it in and put it through some pedals. 1594 01:10:43,714 --> 01:10:45,574 And they were all designed like. 1595 01:10:45,979 --> 01:10:47,969 Their fender guitars, so it was really cool. 1596 01:10:47,969 --> 01:10:51,329 It was really interesting Um, that's a class. 1597 01:10:51,339 --> 01:10:55,429 It's that one's done in classical, but now I have a baritone ukulele from 1598 01:10:55,829 --> 01:10:59,279 college So there's just so much out there There's like there's I have a 1599 01:10:59,309 --> 01:11:03,209 u bass that my my bass player let me borrow that I cut little demos with 1600 01:11:03,629 --> 01:11:06,199 so The instrument really has evolved. 1601 01:11:06,199 --> 01:11:08,979 It's a really older instrument and it's, it's done really beautifully. 1602 01:11:08,979 --> 01:11:09,869 It's about community. 1603

01:11:09,869 --> 01:11:12,539 It's about singing with the people in, in, in your, in your 1604 01:11:12,539 --> 01:11:14,679 neighborhood and around a campfire. 1605 01:11:15,029 --> 01:11:18,439 Uh, but it's really evolved in the last probably like decade. 1606 01:11:18,599 --> 01:11:21,099 And I'm, I'm excited to be bringing it because I think it's just. 1607 01:11:21,709 --> 01:11:23,069 Such an accessible instrument. 1608 01:11:23,079 --> 01:11:23,889 It's small. 1609 01:11:24,029 --> 01:11:27,219 I can take, like if I'm touring, especially my concert ukulele, 1610 01:11:27,219 --> 01:11:28,899 I could take it on a plane, man. 1611 01:11:29,169 --> 01:11:30,679 I don't gotta pay for it. 1612 01:11:30,889 --> 01:11:32,709 I can bring it as a carry on. 1613 01:11:33,079 --> 01:11:35,179 So it's so fun and it's just so accessible. 1614 01:11:35,209 --> 01:11:38,839 So yeah, you throw some pedals on there, like highly recommend 1615 01:11:38,839 --> 01:11:40,199 everybody get one for the house. 1616 01:11:40,489 --> 01:11:41,179 Shaun Smith: That's so cool. 1617 01:11:41,179 --> 01:11:43,569 I've never heard of a baritone ukulele before. 1618 01:11:44,139 --> 01:11:45,839 Sug Daniels: Yeah, the baritone ukulele is fun. 1619 01:11:45,839 --> 01:11:50,899 So that one is the, I think the first four strings of a guitar, the baritone. 1620 01:11:50,899 --> 01:11:51,999 So that one's a little different. 1621 01:11:53,504 --> 01:11:57,204 But once again, it's just small, it's super portable, and yeah, 1622 01:11:57,214 --> 01:12:00,114 people sometimes don't even know I'm playing a ukulele, they think I'm 1623 01:12:00,114 --> 01:12:01,764 playing just a tiny little guitar. 1624 01:12:01,944 --> 01:12:05,334 I think it's the same strings, if I'm not mistaken, and I'm sorry, 1625 01:12:05,344 --> 01:12:07,434 everybody, anybody out there in the podcast world, like, she don't 1626 01:12:07,434 --> 01:12:07,984 know what she's talking about. 1627 01:12:08,394 --> 01:12:10,844 I think it's the same as, like, a tenor guitar. 1628 01:12:10,964 --> 01:12:12,834 The same strings as a tenor guitar. 1629 01:12:13,289 --> 01:12:17,869 Um, my buddy, yeah, my buddy Sam Rise, who is another Philadelphia singer 1630 01:12:17,869 --> 01:12:19,479 songwriter, plays a tenor guitar. 1631 01:12:19,479 --> 01:12:21,839 And we're always like, yo, we should just like get together and jam and 1632 01:12:21,839 --> 01:12:22,739 like play each other's instruments. 1633 01:12:22,740 --> 01:12:24,789 But we've both been so busy booking. 1634 01:12:25,749 --> 01:12:26,369 Shaun Smith: That's awesome. 1635 01:12:26,409 --> 01:12:28,269 Now, how did your, are you self taught? 1636 01:12:29,519 --> 01:12:30,069 Sug Daniels: Yeah. 1637 01:12:31,069 --> 01:12:34,179 It's like on my list to like eventually get some lessons, but I just keep 1638 01:12:34,179 --> 01:12:38,504 writing stuff and uh, there's nothing wrong with either, right? 1639 01:12:38,504 --> 01:12:40,644 Like, being self

taught, I think, is really fun because 1640 01:12:40,814 --> 01:12:43,694 you're following this passion and you're, like, developing this ear. 1641 01:12:43,724 --> 01:12:46,734 And this wasn't something that I realized until later after playing 1642 01:12:46,734 --> 01:12:50,704 with a lot of friends who have been trained, who did, like, go to school or 1643 01:12:50,704 --> 01:12:54,144 did, like, have a lot of lessons when they were kids or take lessons now. 1644 01:12:54,484 --> 01:12:56,844 Um, I think it's like, I just know good music. 1645 01:12:56,844 --> 01:13:01,279 I grew up in a household with a lot of different kind of stuff, like, My little 1646 01:13:01,279 --> 01:13:05,039 brother's dad loved like Jimi Hendrix and the Beatles and like classic rock stuff. 1647 01:13:05,039 --> 01:13:06,469 So that was cool to listen to. 1648 01:13:06,469 --> 01:13:10,789 And then my mother loved, of course, like, you know, uh, gospel, of course, and then 1649 01:13:10,789 --> 01:13:14,439 like R& B and a lot of like Philly, like really cool, like soul clarion stuff. 1650 01:13:14,789 --> 01:13:17,049 Uh, that I didn't realize was right in Philadelphia, but I was 1651 01:13:17,279 --> 01:13:18,599 listening to a lot of that too. 1652 01:13:18,969 --> 01:13:22,649 So then I had this, this wide eclectic mix of all these different things that 1653 01:13:22,649 --> 01:13:24,529 I like, so I kind of developed an ear. 1654 01:13:25,559 --> 01:13:29,629 And then, yeah, I started making music that just felt good. 1655 01:13:29,629 --> 01:13:32,399 I never really felt like I want to make this kind of genre. 1656 01:13:32,399 --> 01:13:35,329 I never really tried to lean too hard into anything. 1657 01:13:35,649 --> 01:13:38,254 I just know what feels good to me, what sounds good. 1658 01:13:38,644 --> 01:13:42,724 Um, I feel like now I'm, I'm getting a bit more into learning what the 1659 01:13:42,724 --> 01:13:46,284 heck I'm doing, because I'm starting to play with more people, and it's 1660 01:13:46,284 --> 01:13:50,074 nice to know that language, so I can communicate with them what, what I'm 1661 01:13:50,074 --> 01:13:53,794 doing, and what I'd like for them to do, what I don't want them to do. 1662 01:13:54,819 --> 01:13:55,839 Shaun Smith: Oh, that's so cool. 1663 01:13:55,859 --> 01:14:00,014 Yeah, I can definitely hear some of those, uh, Those influences, uh, from 1664 01:14:00,184 --> 01:14:03,324 what you're talking about growing up, but what kind of music did you 1665 01:14:03,324 --> 01:14:06,704 listen to when you were growing up, uh, that kind of inspire you today? 1666 01:14:07,729 --> 01:14:10,179 Sug Daniels: Well, my favorite for sure was like Michael Jackson. 1667 01:14:10,179 --> 01:14:13,389 I was obsessed with Michael Jackson as a kid. 1668 01:14:13,839 --> 01:14:18,539 My mom got me like a Walkman and I would get like just random little cassettes. 1669 01:14:19,109 --> 01:14:20,519 And I got really random stuff, right? 1670 01:14:20,519 --> 01:14:22,209 Like I remember having like an REM. 1671 01:14:22,219 --> 01:14:25,429 I didn't know who REM was, but I just remember being like, I like the look 1672 01:14:25,429 --> 01:14:26,629 of this cassette, so I'll get it. 1673 01:14:26,630 --> 01:14:26,919 So. 1674 01:14:27,059 --> 01:14:30,739 And then later on, now, which makes sense why I like folk music 1675 01:14:30,739 --> 01:14:33,649 so much, because there's so much mandolin in that music, and just 1676 01:14:33,649 --> 01:14:35,019 the way he's singing is different. 1677 01:14:35,019 --> 01:14:38,229 It's not like, he's not doing some soul thing, which is what I was used to. 1678 01:14:38,439 --> 01:14:41,199 It was doing something different, but I could pick up on why that music 1679 01:14:41,209 --> 01:14:44,529 was good, and why people liked it, and, you know, one of my favorites. 1680 01:14:44,539 --> 01:14:49,054 But my favorite, um, Cassette was like the best of the Jackson 5's and 1681 01:14:49,054 --> 01:14:52,664 I learned all the songs and those kids had like the lyrics and then back then. 1682 01:14:52,904 --> 01:14:55,404 So I would just literally learn all these songs and I'd walk around 1683 01:14:55,404 --> 01:14:56,684 my neighborhood singing them. 1684 01:14:57,154 --> 01:14:59,864 Um, and I just thought Michael Jackson was amazing. 1685 01:14:59,934 --> 01:15:03,834 I mean he is, he's a phenomenal performer too, which is where I think along 1686 01:15:03,834 --> 01:15:09,074 with watching my mom, um, be such an amazing performer also inspired me. 1687 01:15:09,154 --> 01:15:12,564 I was like, I just want to make people go, you know, like that's cool. 1688 01:15:13,374 --> 01:15:13,684 Shaun Smith: Yeah. 1689 01:15:13,694 --> 01:15:18,404 Those early Jackson five songs are, I mean, they're amazing and it's just hard. 1690 01:15:18,704 --> 01:15:23,154 It's kind of hard because Michael Jackson was a little kid, like a little 1691 01:15:23,154 --> 01:15:25,404 kid when he was performing those songs. 1692 01:15:25,404 --> 01:15:26,694 Like it's kind of, it kind of. 1693 01:15:27,124 --> 01:15:32,004 blows my mind now when I hear them and I go, man, this band is so tight. 1694 01:15:32,004 --> 01:15:36,894 And this little kid is just belting out these tunes with his entire soul. 1695 01:15:37,124 --> 01:15:40,074 That is only like, you know, not even 10 years old. 1696 01:15:40,074 --> 01:15:40,394 Right. 1697 01:15:40,394 --> 01:15:41,734 I mean, he was a little kid. 1698 01:15:42,319 --> 01:15:45,109 Sug Daniels: He was little, little, and I mean, he grew up to be just 1699 01:15:45,109 --> 01:15:46,789 such an amazing songwriter, too. 1700 01:15:46,789 --> 01:15:50,529 Like, I was watching, um, did you see that Netflix documentary, 1701 01:15:51,099 --> 01:15:52,099 The Greatest Night in Pop? 1702 01:15:52,574 --> 01:15:53,854 Shaun Smith: Uh, yes I did. 1703 01:15:53,924 --> 01:15:54,284 Yeah. 1704 01:15:54,439 --> 01:15:57,039 Sug Daniels: It was,

I didn't realize it was just him and 1705 01:15:57,139 --> 01:15:58,279 Lionel Richie that wrote that. 1706 01:15:58,429 --> 01:16:00,229 That wrote the We Are the World song. 1707 01:16:00,499 --> 01:16:04,864 Like, they wrote it, they kind of like, you know, Pussy footed around forever. 1708 01:16:04,864 --> 01:16:07,504 And then it was like, oh, we have to have this song done, or Quincy 1709 01:16:07,504 --> 01:16:08,704 Jones is gonna have our heads. 1710 01:16:09,064 --> 01:16:10,324 And they're like, okay, here it is. 1711 01:16:11,144 --> 01:16:15,444 Shaun Smith: Yeah, and watching his process, his process in the studio, 1712 01:16:15,444 --> 01:16:17,264 where he like, Oh, I messed that up. 1713 01:16:17,264 --> 01:16:19,584 And then, you know, he goes back in and he's just kind of like, 1714 01:16:19,754 --> 01:16:21,354 but he really just focused. 1715 01:16:21,354 --> 01:16:22,724 He sat, but he wore the whole. 1716 01:16:22,904 --> 01:16:25,364 That was the other cool thing is he, he wore the whole. 1717 01:16:25,589 --> 01:16:29,449 Michael, you know, what we now later would see him wearing all the time, but 1718 01:16:29,449 --> 01:16:33,379 he would walk in the studio dressed to the nines, like ready to rock and roll. 1719 01:16:33,389 --> 01:16:35,099 That was, that was really cool. 1720 01:16:35,834 --> 01:16:36,224 Sug Daniels: Yeah. 1721 01:16:36,314 --> 01:16:36,584 Yeah. 1722 01:16:36,584 --> 01:16:39,944 Definitely a once in a lifetime kind of musician and artist. 1723 01:16:40,124 --> 01:16:44,854 Uh, but yeah, so definitely super inspired by Michael Jackson and the 1724 01:16:44,854 --> 01:16:47,224 Jackson Five, um, when I was a kid. 1725 01:16:47,314 --> 01:16:49,324 And then, yeah, a lot of r and b and soul. 1726 01:16:49,324 --> 01:16:50,614 My mom got really into like. 1727 01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:54,779 Erykah Badu and Jill Scott and stuff like that when I feel like 1728 01:16:54,779 --> 01:16:57,309 I was probably in middle school. 1729 01:16:58,229 --> 01:17:00,809 And so I really, I was like, oh, this is amazing. 1730 01:17:00,819 --> 01:17:04,679 While simultaneously having a bunch of friends who are like into, you 1731 01:17:04,679 --> 01:17:07,759 know, The Strokes and Kings of Leon. 1732 01:17:07,759 --> 01:17:09,259 And so that's what my friends are listening to. 1733 01:17:09,279 --> 01:17:10,549 And I'm just like soaking it up. 1734 01:17:10,579 --> 01:17:11,889 I'm just like eating it all up. 1735 01:17:11,889 --> 01:17:12,239 It's just. 1736 01:17:12,604 --> 01:17:13,854 I just love good music. 1737 01:17:13,854 --> 01:17:16,254 I love anything that just makes me feel some kind of way. 1738 01:17:16,844 --> 01:17:21,634 Um, and you know, during being a teen angsty kind of kid, I just, 1739 01:17:21,784 --> 01:17:23,654 everything, I wanted to hear everything. 1740 01:17:23,655 --> 01:17:24,934 Um, 1741 01:17:25,069 --> 01:17:25,479 Shaun Smith: amazing. 1742 01:17:25,479 --> 01:17:25,649 Yeah. 1743 01:17:25,649 --> 01:17:26,549 It makes a lot of sense. 1744 01:17:26,609 --> 01:17:29,819 Uh, because like hearing your songs, I hear, I hear all of that. 1745 01:17:29,819 --> 01:17:35,689 I hear some, some modern alt rock, but you have a lot of soul and a classic, 1746 01:17:35,709 --> 01:17:38,079 a real classic feel, uh, to your songs. 1747 01:17:38,099 --> 01:17:41,839 And honestly, I mean, your, your songs are, uh, for the most part. 1748 01:17:41,929 --> 01:17:44,889 I feel like they make me happy when I listen to them. 1749 01:17:44,899 --> 01:17:47,489 Like they have like an uplifting quality. 1750 01:17:47,649 --> 01:17:50,119 Is that what you go for when you're, when you're writing a song? 1751 01:17:50,119 --> 01:17:55,179 Are you trying to be, uh, positive and uplifting or are you just writing a song? 1752 01:17:56,274 --> 01:17:59,704 Sug Daniels: I feel like I'm just writing a song and people, but people say that 1753 01:17:59,704 --> 01:18:03,284 a lot and I think that that's beautiful and it's wonderful because if I'm going 1754 01:18:03,284 --> 01:18:07,084 to do anything in this life, uh, make uplifting people and spreading joy and 1755 01:18:07,084 --> 01:18:12,484 hope is, Like I'll, I will die on that hill for, for sure, but I think like 1756 01:18:12,484 --> 01:18:16,909 when I'm writing and all my, a lot of my songs come on like 15 20 minutes. 1757 01:18:16,919 --> 01:18:19,899 Like if I decide I want to sit down and like write a song sometimes it 1758 01:18:19,899 --> 01:18:23,889 comes but like sometimes it just hits me and it feels like oh I have to 1759 01:18:23,919 --> 01:18:27,979 like whatever this energy is I kind of like have to let it flow through 1760 01:18:27,979 --> 01:18:30,629 me or it's just not a good day. 1761 01:18:30,899 --> 01:18:34,989 So I get these, I get these like melodies or these lines or something and I sit 1762 01:18:34,989 --> 01:18:39,269 down and it comes out and that's just you know that just tends to be what 1763 01:18:39,269 --> 01:18:40,759 it feels like and what it sounds like. 1764 01:18:40,929 --> 01:18:42,649 And I'm, but I'm happy for that you know. 1765 01:18:42,679 --> 01:18:45,384 I'm happy that my music comes out that way and it makes me feel good. 1766 01:18:45,944 --> 01:18:46,644 Feel that way. 1767 01:18:47,199 --> 01:18:48,439 Shaun Smith: Now, I know this is a hard question. 1768 01:18:48,439 --> 01:18:49,249 You just mentioned it. 1769 01:18:49,249 --> 01:18:50,869 So how does it, how does it start? 1770 01:18:50,879 --> 01:18:52,159 Does it start with a melody? 1771 01:18:52,159 --> 01:18:53,369 Do you have the ukulele? 1772 01:18:53,369 --> 01:18:54,919 Do you sit down with the intent? 1773 01:18:55,159 --> 01:18:57,839 Is it just kind of built up where you're, you know, you're riding 1774 01:18:57,839 --> 01:19:01,679 the, the, uh, the And you're like, Oh man, I can't wait to get home. 1775 01:19:01,679 --> 01:19:02,689 So I can, I can. 1776 01:19:02,899 -->

01:19:04,689 I can play this on the ukulele. 1777 01:19:04,939 --> 01:19:06,549 Tell me a little bit about your process. 1778 01:19:07,094 --> 01:19:07,554 Sug Daniels: Yeah. 1779 01:19:07,554 --> 01:19:08,784 So basically, yes. 1780 01:19:08,834 --> 01:19:10,344 I mean all of the above. 1781 01:19:10,414 --> 01:19:15,074 It can sometimes I'm like, uh, sometimes I'll be practicing, right? 1782 01:19:15,104 --> 01:19:17,294 I'm like rehearsing for something and I mess up. 1783 01:19:17,294 --> 01:19:18,004 That happens a lot. 1784 01:19:18,004 --> 01:19:18,594 I'll mess up. 1785 01:19:18,594 --> 01:19:23,464 I'll do one note or chord and then I go to one that I'm supposed to or try to 1786 01:19:23,464 --> 01:19:26,264 go to one that I'm supposed to and it's different and I'm like, oh, that's nice. 1787 01:19:28,004 --> 01:19:29,964 That sounds like that could be something. 1788 01:19:30,334 --> 01:19:35,044 And then whatever that melody makes me feel, is that, then it, it's like that 1789 01:19:35,044 --> 01:19:36,874 emotion kind of like channels through me. 1790 01:19:36,994 --> 01:19:38,064 And then there's a song. 1791 01:19:38,564 --> 01:19:42,454 Um, but I can also like be on, on the bus and hear like somebody, 1792 01:19:42,504 --> 01:19:44,824 like a conversation and they say a line and I'm like, Oh, that's, 1793 01:19:44,825 --> 01:19:46,304 that's, that should be a song. 1794 01:19:46,324 --> 01:19:48,314 Somebody should write a song about something like that. 1795 01:19:48,729 --> 01:19:52,959 Um, but yeah, definitely, usually the melody comes first and whatever that 1796 01:19:52,969 --> 01:19:57,159 melody makes me feel, the kind of emotion that makes me feel, then that's usually 1797 01:19:57,189 --> 01:19:58,569 what's gonna, what's gonna come out. 1798 01:19:58,959 --> 01:20:01,129 And I feel like there's some songwriters that are so good. 1799 01:20:01,129 --> 01:20:04,599 I think a lot of my music is very conversational too, like a lot of my music 1800 01:20:04,599 --> 01:20:09,409 is just probably something I would just say to somebody, which just works for me 1801 01:20:09,459 --> 01:20:11,359 because I love Chang, if you can't tell. 1802 01:20:11,360 --> 01:20:13,017 That's 1803 01:20:13,074 --> 01:20:15,124 Shaun Smith: Well, you're good at music and you're good at chatting too. 1804 01:20:15,444 --> 01:20:17,414 So, uh, I think you might have a career in this. 1805 01:20:17,414 --> 01:20:17,834 I don't know. 1806 01:20:17,894 --> 01:20:20,304 Sug Daniels: Hey, I'm trying man, I'm trying. 1807 01:20:21,004 --> 01:20:24,164 Shaun Smith: Now, are you, are you humming out the melody or do 1808 01:20:24,164 --> 01:20:28,004 you pick up the ukulele and, and just start, uh, testing it out? 1809 01:20:28,964 --> 01:20:30,954 Sug Daniels: Okay, so this is actually a great question, right? 1810 01:20:31,014 --> 01:20:34,954 So this is another reason why I'm starting to learn the math and the 1811 01:20:34,954 --> 01:20:36,524 science

and the language of music. 1812 01:20:36,714 --> 01:20:40,774 Because sometimes I have a melody in my head, but because I don't, 1813 01:20:40,804 --> 01:20:45,314 you know, I'm not super accustomed to knowing what notes sound like on 1814 01:20:45,324 --> 01:20:47,094 the ukulele, I sometimes I can't. 1815 01:20:47,599 --> 01:20:48,059 Do that. 1816 01:20:48,159 --> 01:20:49,799 I can't do the thing that I'm hearing in my head. 1817 01:20:50,059 --> 01:20:51,369 So I'll have to adjust it. 1818 01:20:51,709 --> 01:20:55,189 Um, Unless I'm playing or I have like a band, right? 1819 01:20:55,189 --> 01:20:58,419 Like if I go to my bass player and I'm like do this for me or a piano player 1820 01:20:58,419 --> 01:21:02,699 might do this for me Um, but if I'm doing it by myself, I can't always you know It's 1821 01:21:02,699 --> 01:21:06,549 like almost like a like a handicap that I have because I don't know how to do it So 1822 01:21:06,879 --> 01:21:10,759 for for anyone who's like back and forth about if they should learn music that is 1823 01:21:10,769 --> 01:21:15,119 definitely a benefit of it Um, is being able to be like, okay, I've been doing 1824 01:21:15,119 --> 01:21:21,069 this melody line and I can't find it, but if I know the chords, maybe I can, I can, 1825 01:21:21,199 --> 01:21:23,609 uh, the finger shapes, I can find it. 1826 01:21:24,149 --> 01:21:27,709 Um, so that's been, that's been really cool, but in the past I have hummed 1827 01:21:27,709 --> 01:21:29,729 it and then just like sung it out too. 1828 01:21:30,534 --> 01:21:31,254 Shaun Smith: That's cool. 1829 01:21:31,304 --> 01:21:31,574 Yeah. 1830 01:21:31,574 --> 01:21:31,774 Yeah. 1831 01:21:31,774 --> 01:21:35,864 I've never, I mean, I took guitar lessons for a second in college for a 1832 01:21:35,864 --> 01:21:39,584 semester and yeah, that ability where people who are classically trained and 1833 01:21:39,584 --> 01:21:41,794 they can just pick out a note, right. 1834 01:21:41,794 --> 01:21:43,034 Just like pull it out of the air. 1835 01:21:43,090 --> 01:21:47,739 To me, it just seems like magic, but I guess it is, uh, you know, a lot of 1836 01:21:47,749 --> 01:21:50,229 hard work and, and studying, right? 1837 01:21:50,479 --> 01:21:51,399 Sug Daniels: yeah, yeah. 1838 01:21:51,399 --> 01:21:55,029 I've been learning scales and it's a lot of just like finger, 1839 01:21:55,129 --> 01:21:56,089 like just like remembering. 1840 01:21:56,089 --> 01:21:57,389 It's a lot of muscle memory. 1841 01:21:57,749 --> 01:22:00,579 Um, but I like, I love playing music and I love my instrument so 1842 01:22:00,579 --> 01:22:02,229 it's not really like a big thing. 1843 01:22:02,229 --> 01:22:03,739 It's like as soon as I sit down I'm fine. 1844 01:22:03,739 --> 01:22:05,539 It's just making sure I carve out the time. 1845 01:22:05,929 --> 01:22:08,999 Uh to sit down because I the people that I play with are just 1846 01:22:08,999 --> 01:22:12,689 so amazing Um, I kind of like put

this group of players together. 1847 01:22:12,689 --> 01:22:15,579 I call them the sweet boys So whenever i'm playing like full band It's just 1848 01:22:15,609 --> 01:22:19,229 like a bunch of like cool guys that i've been kicking it with for the last couple 1849 01:22:19,229 --> 01:22:21,869 years And they're all for the most part. 1850 01:22:22,049 --> 01:22:24,869 Um, you know either went to school for it. 1851 01:22:25,219 --> 01:22:28,989 Um, or like took lessons And they're so, it's just so inspiring to 1852 01:22:28,989 --> 01:22:31,479 watch them jail, to just be like, all right, go ahead and take one. 1853 01:22:31,479 --> 01:22:34,999 And somebody like goes off from this beautiful solo, you know, they just 1854 01:22:34,999 --> 01:22:36,429 know exactly what they want to do. 1855 01:22:36,619 --> 01:22:38,059 It's so inspiring. 1856 01:22:38,089 --> 01:22:40,739 So I'm like, all right, well, I want to play, I want to do that too. 1857 01:22:40,809 --> 01:22:44,919 Like, I love to sing, but also I want to be busting out some ukulele solos. 1858 01:22:44,979 --> 01:22:46,179 Like that would be so impressive. 1859 01:22:46,179 --> 01:22:46,569 I think 1860 01:22:46,999 --> 01:22:47,969 Shaun Smith: Oh, yeah, yeah. 1861 01:22:47,969 --> 01:22:51,909 I mean, have you ever heard of, uh, I'm sure, maybe you have Jake Shimabukuro? 1862 01:22:51,929 --> 01:22:53,779 I'm sure I butchered his last name. 1863 01:22:54,169 --> 01:22:54,739 Uh, 1864 01:22:54,829 --> 01:22:57,309 Sug Daniels: I know you're talking about, yes, he's incredible. 1865 01:22:57,309 --> 01:22:59,659 He's like, yeah, some next level, very. 1866 01:23:01,304 --> 01:23:02,484 Nobody can touch him. 1867 01:23:03,029 --> 01:23:03,249 Shaun Smith: Yeah. 1868 01:23:03,264 --> 01:23:04,904 Sug Daniels: Like, nobody can touch that guy. 1869 01:23:05,674 --> 01:23:06,934 But, it would be fun. 1870 01:23:06,974 --> 01:23:10,379 Because, I don't know, it's just I feel like this instrument is so unexplored. 1871 01:23:10,379 --> 01:23:11,309 Like there's not a lot. 1872 01:23:11,319 --> 01:23:14,389 There is very, it has a lot of history and it's really beautiful. 1873 01:23:14,759 --> 01:23:18,569 Um, but also I think it has just so much potential to inspire another 1874 01:23:18,569 --> 01:23:21,949 generation of music makers who don't want to play guitar because everybody 1875 01:23:21,949 --> 01:23:25,119 in their grandpapa's guitar, you know, they don't want to play piano because 1876 01:23:25,169 --> 01:23:28,329 pianos are big and heavy and you can't, it's harder to take them on tour. 1877 01:23:29,419 --> 01:23:30,519 Shaun Smith: Yeah, totally. 1878 01:23:30,679 --> 01:23:31,169 Totally. 1879 01:23:31,459 --> 01:23:34,819 You mentioned, you just mentioned, um, you know, jamming with a band, 1880 01:23:34,819 --> 01:23:37,929 and I noticed that, uh, some of your releases that you've, uh, 1881 01:23:37,949 --> 01:23:39,379 they're collaborative releases. 1882 01:23:39,809 --> 01:23:41,229 Tell me a little bit about this. 1883 01:23:42,039 --> 01:23:42,619 Sug Daniels: Oh yeah. 1884 01:23:42,619 --> 01:23:43,879 I love collaborating. 1885 01:23:43,879 --> 01:23:45,419 I mean, that's, that's where I started. 1886 01:23:45,419 --> 01:23:46,999 It was never really like by myself. 1887 01:23:46,999 --> 01:23:50,144 It was, As soon as I started making music, I took it to my cousins 1888 01:23:50,144 --> 01:23:51,844 and I was like, let's make a band. 1889 01:23:52,244 --> 01:23:55,334 Um, and it's fun because then you get to also, it's like you're expressing 1890 01:23:55,335 --> 01:23:58,304 yourself and then you're watching and understanding how other people are 1891 01:23:58,304 --> 01:24:01,324 expressing themselves and you're hanging on these different points of view. 1892 01:24:02,154 --> 01:24:04,854 Um, so yeah, I, I love, love, love to collaborate. 1893 01:24:04,854 --> 01:24:08,954 I have a song coming out later this month with, um, my friend 1894 01:24:08,964 --> 01:24:10,714 and drummer, Alex Clayton. 1895 01:24:10,764 --> 01:24:15,309 He's His moniker, his music moniker is West End Ritos, and we have a 1896 01:24:15,309 --> 01:24:17,789 song coming out, and he usually just drums for me, you know, but he's so 1897 01:24:17,789 --> 01:24:21,319 fun to create music with, he's great at making arrangements, and we made 1898 01:24:21,319 --> 01:24:26,149 this song, I think, like, probably two months into him drumming for me. 1899 01:24:26,849 --> 01:24:29,669 And so it's been like a long time coming because he's been drumming for me for 1900 01:24:29,669 --> 01:24:34,089 over a year now and it's been a long time coming and it's just, it's fun. 1901 01:24:34,149 --> 01:24:36,859 It doesn't sound anything like the music that we make when we play my music. 1902 01:24:36,869 --> 01:24:38,889 It sounds very like, kind of spacey. 1903 01:24:38,899 --> 01:24:40,299 It's called Starry Sky. 1904 01:24:40,969 --> 01:24:45,619 It'll be out on August 22nd and yeah, just for something completely different. 1905 01:24:45,659 --> 01:24:48,679 I love to dabble in and have a reason to. 1906 01:24:49,254 --> 01:24:52,964 Pull all the, all the tricks that I can musically out of the bag. 1907 01:24:52,964 --> 01:24:56,084 So collaboration is a really fun way for me to let that loose. 1908 01:24:56,114 --> 01:24:56,414 Right. 1909 01:24:56,764 --> 01:24:58,054 Cause you're like, all right, all right. 1910 01:24:58,054 --> 01:25:00,784 I'm should Daniels and I make America, you know, folk, 1911 01:25:00,784 --> 01:25:02,994 Americana jam band kind of music. 1912 01:25:03,344 --> 01:25:04,964 Uh, but I want to do everything else. 1913 01:25:05,034 --> 01:25:09,044 So when I collaborate with people, it like allows me that freedom. 1914 01:25:10,439 --> 01:25:11,019 Shaun Smith: Yeah. 1915 01:25:11,399 --> 01:25:12,229 Yeah, absolutely. 1916 01:25:12,229 --> 01:25:16,399 Yeah, I like the, uh, I like the song that you did with, was it Shane

Pulko? 1917 01:25:16,819 --> 01:25:17,419 Is that how you pronounce 1918 01:25:17,424 --> 01:25:17,804 Sug Daniels: Yeah. 1919 01:25:17,804 --> 01:25:17,854 I think. 1920 01:25:19,319 --> 01:25:19,579 So 1921 01:25:19,789 --> 01:25:20,909 Shaun Smith: Yeah, Sip the Years. 1922 01:25:20,909 --> 01:25:21,919 That's a really great one. 1923 01:25:21,919 --> 01:25:23,939 How did that come, how did that come together? 1924 01:25:25,069 --> 01:25:29,729 Sug Daniels: me and Shane had done a song with our friend Sam, Samuel 1925 01:25:29,729 --> 01:25:31,849 Nobles, who's a piano player, producer. 1926 01:25:32,169 --> 01:25:34,479 Uh, it also plays in the Sweet Void with me a lot of times. 1927 01:25:34,669 --> 01:25:39,369 Um, Sam had produced, uh, uh, some earlier music of mine. 1928 01:25:39,849 --> 01:25:43,329 And then we like, uh, Mick the Max is my first EP and from Delaware. 1929 01:25:43,329 --> 01:25:44,039 So we're all from Delaware. 1930 01:25:44,039 --> 01:25:46,759 So we're just homies, you know, all living in Philadelphia now. 1931 01:25:47,529 --> 01:25:51,579 And we had done a song before, um, called Take Your Time. 1932 01:25:51,649 --> 01:25:52,559 And it did really good. 1933 01:25:52,559 --> 01:25:53,839 We shot a music video for it. 1934 01:25:53,849 --> 01:25:55,379 We loved working together. 1935 01:25:55,969 --> 01:26:00,009 And he was putting an album together and asked me if I wanted to He sent me a 1936 01:26:00,009 --> 01:26:03,949 couple songs, and this one was beautiful. 1937 01:26:03,949 --> 01:26:07,149 I just love I love What he was saying and I love the lyrics. 1938 01:26:07,469 --> 01:26:09,289 Um, Sam sounded amazing in it. 1939 01:26:09,319 --> 01:26:13,569 And making music with your friends is kind of like taking a snapshot in time, right? 1940 01:26:13,569 --> 01:26:15,629 Like, we'll be old ladies and old men. 1941 01:26:15,629 --> 01:26:17,919 We'll be sitting in our rocking chairs and we have this music, all this 1942 01:26:17,969 --> 01:26:19,499 beautiful music that we created together. 1943 01:26:20,069 --> 01:26:22,809 Um, and we'll hear ourselves and be like, Oh my God, we sounded so young. 1944 01:26:23,529 --> 01:26:26,519 You know, and maybe we'll look back and be like, Oh, it's embarrassing, but I'm just 1945 01:26:26,529 --> 01:26:27,939 so glad that I get a chance to do this. 1946 01:26:28,149 --> 01:26:32,369 To make music with them and especially an artist like Shane Palco who's just 1947 01:26:32,369 --> 01:26:37,679 like so about community and like living in the moment and like it's never felt 1948 01:26:37,749 --> 01:26:43,599 like he has been chasing this kind of like music clout like he makes music 1949 01:26:43,609 --> 01:26:46,569 and he puts it out and if people like it they like it and if they don't they don't 1950 01:26:46,899 --> 01:26:50,499 but people tend to like it they tend to love it because it just comes from such 1951 01:26:50,729 --> 01:26:56,029 a beautiful authentic place um from from within with him and it's beautiful to be 1952 01:26:56,079 --> 01:26:57,569 to be able to be a part of that you know. 1953 01:26:58,104 --> 01:26:58,524 Shaun Smith: Yeah. 1954 01:26:58,554 --> 01:27:01,194 I mean, I, it was great to hear your track on his album. 1955 01:27:01,224 --> 01:27:04,674 Um, it's called the future already happened is the name of the album. 1956 01:27:04,674 --> 01:27:06,924 And it was just, it was nice to hear you on there. 1957 01:27:06,924 --> 01:27:11,704 And then I also, uh, heard you on a reggae song called daddy lessons that 1958 01:27:11,704 --> 01:27:14,364 came out later, later, earlier this year. 1959 01:27:14,714 --> 01:27:16,934 That was, that's an awesome song. 1960 01:27:16,934 --> 01:27:18,364 So how did that come together? 1961 01:27:18,364 --> 01:27:19,514 And are you a reggae fan? 1962 01:27:19,585 --> 01:27:20,169 Ha 1963 01:27:20,439 --> 01:27:22,129 Sug Daniels: Okay, first of all, yeah, who isn't 1964 01:27:22,234 --> 01:27:23,177 Shaun Smith: ha ha ha 1965 01:27:23,379 --> 01:27:26,799 Sug Daniels: you're missing out especially like no Especially like old school reggae 1966 01:27:26,819 --> 01:27:30,729 is like this is beautiful soul music Like one of my favorite musicians of all 1967 01:27:30,729 --> 01:27:32,129 time is actually cheats in the middle. 1968 01:27:32,154 --> 01:27:33,044 Shaun Smith: Yes! 1969 01:27:33,384 --> 01:27:33,664 Oh 1970 01:27:33,709 --> 01:27:36,899 Sug Daniels: middle like older stuff Oh, it's just I can put 1971 01:27:36,899 --> 01:27:38,309 it I can listen to it on repeat. 1972 01:27:38,379 --> 01:27:41,994 He is like singing from From the depth of his soul. 1973 01:27:42,004 --> 01:27:44,044 So yes, definitely a reggae fan. 1974 01:27:44,524 --> 01:27:45,974 Um, this band had reached out. 1975 01:27:45,974 --> 01:27:46,744 They're from Canada. 1976 01:27:46,764 --> 01:27:51,104 They reached out to me and we're just like, we're putting together. 1977 01:27:51,124 --> 01:27:52,534 That's actually a Beyonce card. 1978 01:27:52,554 --> 01:27:56,504 That's actually a reggae rendition of a earlier Beyonce song. 1979 01:27:56,514 --> 01:27:57,554 That is a country song. 1980 01:27:57,584 --> 01:28:00,654 So even before she put out the country album, she had 1981 01:28:00,654 --> 01:28:01,974 a country song called daddy. 1982 01:28:02,604 --> 01:28:03,514 Shaun Smith: Oh cool! 1983 01:28:03,729 --> 01:28:05,149 Sug Daniels: everybody go listen to it, check it out. 1984 01:28:05,169 --> 01:28:09,799 It came out way before, way before, um, Cowboy Carter did and all that stuff. 1985 01:28:10,379 --> 01:28:14,449 But, I cut that record actually at home, like I did all my own vocals. 1986 01:28:14,449 --> 01:28:17,229 I recorded it myself at my little like home studio. 1987 01:28:17,799 --> 01:28:20,899 And sent it back and then they kind of like built it. 1988 01:28:20,909 --> 01:28:23,929 So they had like the bass, a little bit of guitar. 1989 01:28:24,569 -->

01:28:26,659 And that was kind of like, and then they had like a reference 1990 01:28:26,669 --> 01:28:30,159 track from, I think from one of the ladies who sings with that band. 1991 01:28:30,759 --> 01:28:34,059 And so then I like recut the vocals and then they loved it. 1992 01:28:34,099 --> 01:28:36,269 They put some really cool effects on it. 1993 01:28:36,269 --> 01:28:38,119 And it was fun, man. 1994 01:28:38,119 --> 01:28:39,009 I don't know what I'm doing. 1995 01:28:39,009 --> 01:28:40,099 I'm just trying to have fun. 1996 01:28:40,099 --> 01:28:40,369 Like 1997 01:28:41,364 --> 01:28:42,934 Shaun Smith: Oh it's a great, it's a fun song! 1998 01:28:42,974 --> 01:28:43,884 It's a really fun 1999 01:28:44,079 --> 01:28:46,899 Sug Daniels: like it 2000 01:28:46,994 --> 01:28:47,834 Shaun Smith: Yeah, I can tell you're 2001 01:28:47,899 --> 01:28:48,469 Sug Daniels: cut right there. 2002 01:28:48,944 --> 01:28:49,984 Shaun Smith: Ha ha ha! 2003 01:28:51,164 --> 01:28:52,614 And that's cool, you're a Toots fan! 2004 01:28:52,624 --> 01:28:53,254 I love Toots! 2005 01:28:54,239 --> 01:28:56,049 Sug Daniels: Oh my god, man, he's number one. 2006 01:28:56,079 --> 01:29:00,289 I, one time I opened up for Sarah Shook and the Disarmers, and the guys who 2007 01:29:00,289 --> 01:29:03,439 were running sound, I don't know, I think they maybe had him on a playlist, 2008 01:29:03,459 --> 01:29:07,114 like, I don't know, they go, I love teaching the Meitongs, and They were 2009 01:29:07,114 --> 01:29:10,634 like, yeah, we got to, we were running sound for him for like two years 2010 01:29:10,654 --> 01:29:13,934 because he had just passed because he recently passed just a few years back. 2011 01:29:13,944 --> 01:29:15,654 It hasn't been a long time. 2012 01:29:15,654 --> 01:29:16,054 So R. 2013 01:29:16,054 --> 01:29:16,244 P. 2014 01:29:16,244 --> 01:29:21,084 to them, um, but yeah, he's phenomenal. 2015 01:29:21,854 --> 01:29:22,764 Shaun Smith: and he really kept going. 2016 01:29:22,764 --> 01:29:25,914 Yeah, he came out with an album, like, right before he died. 2017 01:29:26,204 --> 01:29:27,484 And that was a great album. 2018 01:29:27,514 --> 01:29:31,634 That was a, you know, I mean, His earlier stuff is, I mean, These are 2019 01:29:31,634 --> 01:29:35,584 classic songs, um, Like, uh, 5446. 2020 01:29:35,724 --> 01:29:37,354 Right, I think that's one of his originals. 2021 01:29:37,384 --> 01:29:38,434 I love that song. 2022 01:29:39,549 --> 01:29:40,259 Sug Daniels: Yes. 2023 01:29:40,329 --> 01:29:41,339 Oh my gosh. 2024 01:29:41,349 --> 01:29:41,709 Yeah. 2025 01:29:41,709 --> 01:29:43,349 It's just, it's beautiful soul music. 2026 01:29:43,349 --> 01:29:47,949 Like you can put that music right next to, uh, uh, James Brown and it's 2027 01:29:47,959 --> 01:29:53,059 the same exact emotions, the same, uh, subject matters, the same topics. 2028 01:29:53,059 --> 01:29:55,119 It's like, it's, he's talking to, you know, the government's 2029 01:29:55,119 --> 01:29:57,799 coming, they're taking our money, the taxes are getting high. 2030 01:29:57,939 --> 01:29:59,079 They've got this one song about. 2031 01:29:59,684 --> 01:30:00,304 Time Tough. 2032 01:30:00,604 --> 01:30:01,284 I love that song. 2033 01:30:01,284 --> 01:30:02,564 It's basically about inflation. 2034 01:30:03,084 --> 01:30:03,364 Shaun Smith: Oh, 2035 01:30:03,664 --> 01:30:06,574 Sug Daniels: You know, and it was like in the, what, the 60s or 70s he wrote 2036 01:30:06,584 --> 01:30:08,104 that song and we're still feeling that. 2037 01:30:08,134 --> 01:30:12,054 That's still relevant, uh, that, that feeling today, you know. 2038 01:30:12,584 --> 01:30:13,524 Shaun Smith: That's so cool. 2039 01:30:14,084 --> 01:30:16,394 Yeah, and do you, so do you like playing covers? 2040 01:30:18,574 --> 01:30:20,334 Sug Daniels: I feel like, yeah, they're fun. 2041 01:30:20,334 --> 01:30:24,024 I, I write music because I want to perform that music because I want to express 2042 01:30:24,024 --> 01:30:27,924 myself, but I don't like, you know, if a cover's good, I'm not going to poo poo it. 2043 01:30:28,534 --> 01:30:30,074 I do a Strokes cover. 2044 01:30:30,684 --> 01:30:34,324 Of, uh, someday that, that fans love. 2045 01:30:34,324 --> 01:30:37,584 If I do it solo, I pick it and I make it really slow, beautiful. 2046 01:30:37,994 --> 01:30:41,254 And if I play it with a band, um, we play it kind of country. 2047 01:30:41,764 --> 01:30:44,434 And sometimes I don't even, I won't even introduce it. 2048 01:30:44,434 --> 01:30:45,134 I'll just play it. 2049 01:30:45,134 --> 01:30:47,754 And it's fun to see who comes up after and they're like, are you 2050 01:30:47,754 --> 01:30:49,164 playing someday by the strokes? 2051 01:30:49,514 --> 01:30:51,634 Cause it just doesn't, cause you know, cause they already 2052 01:30:51,634 --> 01:30:52,994 did it the way that they did it. 2053 01:30:53,114 --> 01:30:55,734 So if you're going to do a cover, I think it's always, unless you can 2054 01:30:55,734 --> 01:30:57,484 kind of make it super identical. 2055 01:30:57,604 --> 01:31:00,134 I just think it's fun to put your own spin on it, you know? 2056 01:31:00,619 --> 01:31:03,309 Shaun Smith: Yeah, well I have to ask because of that, uh, Shania 2057 01:31:03,319 --> 01:31:05,049 Twain cover, you're still the one. 2058 01:31:05,759 --> 01:31:09,399 Sug Daniels: Yeah, you know, we try to, we try to soul that one up, you know, 2059 01:31:09,429 --> 01:31:10,869 we try to put some soul in that one. 2060 01:31:10,870 --> 01:31:12,269 I 2061 01:31:12,289 --> 01:31:12,829 Shaun Smith: a good job. 2062 01:31:12,839 --> 01:31:13,929 Why, why Shania? 2063 01:31:13,949 --> 01:31:16,109 I mean, that song was everywhere. 2064 01:31:16,149 --> 01:31:19,229 Uh, we, I think we're probably kind of came up around the same time. 2065 01:31:19,459 --> 01:31:23,379 So that song was everywhere in like the 90s or 2000s or whatever it came up. 2066 01:31:23,389

--> 01:31:25,349 But why, why that song? 2067 01:31:26,949 --> 01:31:31,459 Sug Daniels: feel like my buddy Sam Nobles was like, we should cover it. 2068 01:31:31,559 --> 01:31:32,219 And I was like, all right. 2069 01:31:32,220 --> 01:31:35,079 It was like, that was enough of a reason. 2070 01:31:35,089 --> 01:31:36,779 It was a good, it's a good song. 2071 01:31:37,159 --> 01:31:40,989 Um, it's fun, it's fun to throw, it is fun to throw a cover. 2072 01:31:41,424 --> 01:31:46,164 into a set, into a live set, you know, because I've never really, you know, I've 2073 01:31:46,164 --> 01:31:47,574 always been able to get the audience. 2074 01:31:47,624 --> 01:31:48,554 They like the music. 2075 01:31:48,574 --> 01:31:49,744 I'm engaged with them. 2076 01:31:49,744 --> 01:31:52,634 They're having a good time, but you throw a cover in there, especially 2077 01:31:52,634 --> 01:31:55,904 something as iconic as Shania Twain's, You're Still the One. 2078 01:31:55,924 --> 01:31:57,184 It's gonna hit, man. 2079 01:31:57,184 --> 01:32:00,334 It's gonna hit and like, I'm just, I'm here to service the people. 2080 01:32:00,334 --> 01:32:03,514 I'm here to make sure everybody's like having a good time. 2081 01:32:03,524 --> 01:32:07,434 So really, honestly, there's not some kind of super deep connection. 2082 01:32:07,444 --> 01:32:11,284 I did grow up in southern Delaware, so of course I know who Shania Twain was. 2083 01:32:11,294 --> 01:32:14,244 Like, kind of had a crush on her for a long time as a teenager. 2084 01:32:14,774 --> 01:32:18,394 Um, but yeah, but it's right, but it's just a good song. 2085 01:32:18,394 --> 01:32:20,064 She's a great songwriter, you know. 2086 01:32:20,064 --> 01:32:20,834 Shout out to Canada. 2087 01:32:22,129 --> 01:32:23,589 Shaun Smith: Canada has some great songwriters. 2088 01:32:23,589 --> 01:32:27,379 And then a bunch of those, uh, Canadians are coming down to the folk festival too. 2089 01:32:27,379 --> 01:32:30,069 So, uh, maybe you'll pick up some more inspiration while you're there. 2090 01:32:30,714 --> 01:32:32,104 Sug Daniels: Listen, I'm excited. 2091 01:32:32,134 --> 01:32:32,654 I'm excited. 2092 01:32:33,354 --> 01:32:34,824 The lineup looks great this year. 2093 01:32:35,084 --> 01:32:37,604 My buddy Don Clemons is coming back around. 2094 01:32:37,674 --> 01:32:40,349 Um, And he was a part of the Carolina Chocolate Drops. 2095 01:32:40,349 --> 01:32:43,599 I got a chance to open up from him, or open up for him at World 2096 01:32:43,599 --> 01:32:45,319 Cafe Live earlier in the year. 2097 01:32:45,359 --> 01:32:49,149 And, um, just like in this place, especially with folk music, because 2098 01:32:49,149 --> 01:32:53,579 it just creates this atmosphere for a community of like really sitting and 2099 01:32:53,579 --> 01:32:57,354 letting like people who've been doing this, like, Mentor me, like mentor me. 2100 01:32:57,374 --> 01:33:00,364 Like I just want to sit and like talk to them and ask them questions 2101 01:33:00,364 --> 01:33:01,504 and like hear their stories. 2102 01:33:01,954 --> 01:33:05,614 Uh, but opening up for him at World Cafe Lala was really sweet and special. 2103 01:33:05,614 --> 01:33:09,264 We just like sat at the bar and he was telling me about his tour and his new 2104 01:33:09,264 --> 01:33:13,954 music and I think he just won a Grammy and I'm just like, wow, this is amazing. 2105 01:33:13,954 --> 01:33:16,904 I can just sit here and hang out with this guy and, you know, and 2106 01:33:16,905 --> 01:33:19,304 he's just like looking at me and treating me like an equal, you know. 2107 01:33:19,849 --> 01:33:21,849 Shaun Smith: I love the Carolina chocolate chops. 2108 01:33:21,849 --> 01:33:22,609 I saw them. 2109 01:33:23,209 --> 01:33:25,899 I can't remember if it was the Dave Matthews caravan in Atlantic 2110 01:33:25,899 --> 01:33:27,389 city, or if it was Firefly. 2111 01:33:27,409 --> 01:33:29,209 In, uh, in Dover, Delaware, uh, 2112 01:33:29,329 --> 01:33:30,299 Sug Daniels: Oh wow. 2113 01:33:30,369 --> 01:33:32,289 Shaun Smith: was smoking a lot more weed back then. 2114 01:33:32,289 --> 01:33:35,919 So the time that those, those two summers kind of blur together, it was 2115 01:33:35,919 --> 01:33:39,929 somewhere around that time and, uh, yeah, I mean, they were amazing when they 2116 01:33:39,929 --> 01:33:41,469 were, when they were touring and stuff. 2117 01:33:41,469 --> 01:33:42,699 So that's, that's really cool. 2118 01:33:42,810 --> 01:33:44,429 Yeah, 2119 01:33:44,479 --> 01:33:48,029 Sug Daniels: cool to see a resurgence also in like Bluegrass, 2120 01:33:48,059 --> 01:33:49,629 um, in with Black people. 2121 01:33:49,669 --> 01:33:53,979 Like from just even on a local level we have, um, Shamir just 2122 01:33:54,339 --> 01:33:55,749 finished up their last record. 2123 01:33:55,749 --> 01:33:58,519 They were hanging out with me and they were like talking to me about how 2124 01:33:58,519 --> 01:34:01,519 they're super excited about this new project they have, Big Benny Bailey. 2125 01:34:02,019 --> 01:34:05,469 Um, which is, you know, they're, this, you know, you know, queer 2126 01:34:05,469 --> 01:34:07,009 black artists playing guitar. 2127 01:34:07,009 --> 01:34:10,269 They got a, uh, a mandolin player and they're running around, like, 2128 01:34:10,279 --> 01:34:11,519 playing really cool bluegrass. 2129 01:34:12,369 --> 01:34:16,379 Uh, and then another one I really, really have been into is, uh, New Danger Field. 2130 01:34:16,419 --> 01:34:19,779 And that has, like, Jake Blount, who's, I think, Canadian. 2131 01:34:20,619 --> 01:34:24,954 And, uh, I might butcher this name, and I'm so sorry if I do, but like, um, 2132 01:34:25,004 --> 01:34:29,404 Kia Cater, who's a banjo player, and they're also Canadian, and they're just 2133 01:34:29,404 --> 01:34:32,264 like, they got this beautiful music, you know, there's like a bass player, 2134 01:34:32,264 --> 01:34:36,124 I can't remember his

name, the guitar player, please forgive me, but yeah, 2135 01:34:36,124 --> 01:34:40,909 it's wonderful to hear, yeah, Black people make this music, because We have 2136 01:34:40,919 --> 01:34:45,639 these deep deep roots in American music and just American history throughout 2137 01:34:45,679 --> 01:34:51,219 everything anything that you touch or see Uh, and yeah It's it's good to see 2138 01:34:51,219 --> 01:34:55,739 people claiming reclaiming that being like we are also a part of the story Um 2139 01:34:55,749 --> 01:34:59,109 and folk music is beautiful because I feel like right now, especially I mean, 2140 01:34:59,109 --> 01:35:03,739 I'm only Folk Festival, Philadelphia Folk Festival, the first year that I played, 2141 01:35:03,749 --> 01:35:07,839 which was two years ago, um, that was my first time really kind of getting into the 2142 01:35:07,839 --> 01:35:09,449 folk scene and I was like, oh this is it. 2143 01:35:09,450 --> 01:35:14,469 This is heaven on earth, like everybody's hanging out, chilling, everybody's 2144 01:35:14,469 --> 01:35:16,089 welcome, there's all kind of people. 2145 01:35:16,524 --> 01:35:18,444 Uh, so yeah, I think it's time. 2146 01:35:18,444 --> 01:35:22,344 I'm excited to see what happens Yes 2147 01:35:22,429 --> 01:35:25,029 Shaun Smith: agree that that it's cool to see black people like kind of 2148 01:35:25,029 --> 01:35:30,819 taking this back because I just heard recently on a podcast that, um, bluegrass 2149 01:35:30,879 --> 01:35:36,999 kind of like jazz are the only two original American, um, music, right? 2150 01:35:37,009 --> 01:35:38,579 It's like that, that's American music. 2151 01:35:38,579 --> 01:35:42,079 Like that's the only thing that we can really claim as our own as American. 2152 01:35:42,309 --> 01:35:45,689 And apparently the banjo was a, I believe it was an African 2153 01:35:45,689 --> 01:35:47,179 instrument if I'm not mistaken. 2154 01:35:47,179 --> 01:35:48,129 That's what I heard. 2155 01:35:48,684 --> 01:35:49,934 Sug Daniels: I can't remember the name yet. 2156 01:35:49,934 --> 01:35:52,854 You're 100 percent correct I can't remember the name of the instrument, 2157 01:35:52,864 --> 01:35:58,254 but it the slaves were put trying to create this instrument from africa 2158 01:35:58,274 --> 01:36:02,279 That was like a it's like a gourd and like some in some like Uh, like 2159 01:36:02,279 --> 01:36:04,039 cow guts or something like that. 2160 01:36:04,429 --> 01:36:07,839 So these, at first I think it was like fishing wire, and it's just, 2161 01:36:08,079 --> 01:36:12,239 yeah, so it was them trying to create something from back home, uh, which 2162 01:36:12,239 --> 01:36:14,309 is such a beautiful story, right? 2163 01:36:14,309 --> 01:36:17,169 When you really think about it, because it's like, okay, these guys are slaves, 2164 01:36:17,179 --> 01:36:22,149 which is literally the worst thing that you could ever be, um, and they're still 2165 01:36:22,399 --> 01:36:25,989 creating places and spaces for joy. 2166 01:36:26,809 --> 01:36:29,959 Because you create music when you feel joy, when you want to create joy, 2167 01:36:29,959 --> 01:36:31,329 when you want to express yourself. 2168 01:36:31,859 --> 01:36:35,559 Uh, so I think that's really an important part of that instrument and a part of 2169 01:36:35,559 --> 01:36:39,969 that genre, that that story is really important because it's not just about 2170 01:36:40,479 --> 01:36:44,269 slaves, it's about all of us, it's about how no matter how horrible and crazy 2171 01:36:44,269 --> 01:36:49,709 things can get, as humans we have to make sure that we are celebrating that we are 2172 01:36:49,709 --> 01:36:54,829 alive and that we have today and tomorrow to continue fighting for ourselves, for 2173 01:36:54,829 --> 01:36:56,339 our lives, for our joy, for our children. 2174 01:36:57,669 --> 01:36:59,049 Shaun Smith: Yeah, absolutely. 2175 01:36:59,129 --> 01:37:01,649 Yeah, yeah, that's so powerful. 2176 01:37:01,729 --> 01:37:02,819 That's very powerful. 2177 01:37:03,389 --> 01:37:06,069 Yeah, and, you know, I have to ask, I forgot to ask you before 2178 01:37:06,069 --> 01:37:08,949 about your most recent release, uh, Leave a Light On for you. 2179 01:37:08,949 --> 01:37:11,609 You know, trying to find that, that light in the darkness. 2180 01:37:11,649 --> 01:37:13,619 Uh, where did that song come from? 2181 01:37:14,639 --> 01:37:15,819 Sug Daniels: Oh my God, I love playing that song. 2182 01:37:15,829 --> 01:37:17,729 That's like my, that's like my barn burner song. 2183 01:37:17,729 --> 01:37:21,269 I always play that one last because it's fun and like cheeky. 2184 01:37:21,729 --> 01:37:25,139 So this song is, is I wrote that song like right before I moved to Philadelphia. 2185 01:37:25,159 --> 01:37:27,339 I was dating this girl in Philly. 2186 01:37:27,629 --> 01:37:30,999 You know, I told you, you know, earlier I had went through this big breakup. 2187 01:37:30,999 --> 01:37:34,309 I was with my partner, um, my previous partner for like 10 years. 2188 01:37:34,519 --> 01:37:35,509 Shaun Smith: Oh, wow. 2189 01:37:35,554 --> 01:37:37,274 Sug Daniels: happened and we were spending all this time together. 2190 01:37:37,274 --> 01:37:40,674 And we were like, actually, we should not be together. 2191 01:37:40,674 --> 01:37:43,824 Um, so then we, you know, we separated and, and, you know, took 2192 01:37:43,824 --> 01:37:47,174 some time, uh, became really good friends or really good friends now. 2193 01:37:47,174 --> 01:37:51,544 And then, you know, once I started getting back into the dating scene, uh, you know, 2194 01:37:51,554 --> 01:37:55,194 I definitely met some people that were really fun, but this one particular girl 2195 01:37:55,394 --> 01:37:58,814 lived in Philadelphia and it was, uh, you know, it wasn't the main, it wasn't 2196 01:37:58,814 --> 01:38:03,704 the reason why I moved to Philly, but it definitely, you know, it didn't hurt. 2197

01:38:05,639 --> 01:38:06,649 Shaun Smith: It never does. 2198 01:38:09,044 --> 01:38:11,884 Sug Daniels: And I, and I remember just like this, the song really did leave 2199 01:38:11,884 --> 01:38:16,194 a light on is, is really just about me taking a chance, traveling around. 2200 01:38:16,254 --> 01:38:18,824 I'm always going to love this and explaining to this person, like, listen, 2201 01:38:18,824 --> 01:38:21,064 this is my thing, but I'm coming back. 2202 01:38:21,254 --> 01:38:21,814 I'm going to come back. 2203 01:38:21,874 --> 01:38:23,674 I got to go bang on myself. 2204 01:38:23,774 --> 01:38:25,164 You know, I got to go make this music. 2205 01:38:25,164 --> 01:38:26,184 I got to go travel around. 2206 01:38:26,184 --> 01:38:27,084 I got to do these things. 2207 01:38:27,474 --> 01:38:29,774 Um, but like leave a light on me because I'm coming back, you know, and 2208 01:38:29,774 --> 01:38:30,954 that's how I feel about Philadelphia. 2209 01:38:31,094 --> 01:38:33,754 I really, I, I've been traveling a lot. 2210 01:38:34,744 --> 01:38:37,254 I really feel like this could be my forever home, you know, I 2211 01:38:37,254 --> 01:38:38,354 really, really feel like that. 2212 01:38:38,819 --> 01:38:39,789 Shaun Smith: Oh, that's so cool. 2213 01:38:39,819 --> 01:38:40,339 That's so cool. 2214 01:38:40,339 --> 01:38:44,289 I love those types of songs that are kind of like, they kind of peel back 2215 01:38:44,289 --> 01:38:45,769 the curtain a little bit, right? 2216 01:38:45,769 --> 01:38:49,369 They break down the fourth wall and it's kind of like, you know, it's, it's like 2217 01:38:49,379 --> 01:38:54,859 you get to, you know, as close to, uh, as a listener can get to, uh, to the 2218 01:38:54,859 --> 01:38:56,869 singer songwriter life a little bit. 2219 01:38:58,594 --> 01:39:00,344 Sug Daniels: yeah, yeah, it's wonderful. 2220 01:39:01,114 --> 01:39:01,684 I love it. 2221 01:39:02,124 --> 01:39:04,344 You know, I don't want anybody to be like, oh, is this, you know, 2222 01:39:04,354 --> 01:39:05,624 not act like they don't know. 2223 01:39:05,625 --> 01:39:08,409 So I just try to put it all out there, you know, so there's no, 2224 01:39:08,409 --> 01:39:09,774 there's no rumors floating around. 2225 01:39:10,794 --> 01:39:11,284 Shaun Smith: I love it. 2226 01:39:11,284 --> 01:39:12,574 It's a great, it's a great track. 2227 01:39:12,574 --> 01:39:17,094 Yeah, I love, I actually like, I mean, you can definitely see the progression 2228 01:39:17,094 --> 01:39:19,854 over the years and everything that you've released in the past year. 2229 01:39:20,174 --> 01:39:23,154 It's just banger after banger, one after another. 2230 01:39:23,264 --> 01:39:26,714 I mean, they're just, it seems like it's just keeping, keeps getting better. 2231 01:39:27,114 --> 01:39:29,794 Uh, you had mentioned, I think that you're, uh, or maybe you 2232 01:39:29,794 --> 01:39:32,564 didn't, or are you, uh, in the studio or you're recording? 2233 01:39:32,564 --> 01:39:36,134 What's, what's, uh, what's next for Suge Daniels besides the Folk Festival? 2234 01:39:36,824 --> 01:39:39,164 Sug Daniels: Yeah, I mean, I'm always trying to get this video. 2235 01:39:39,164 --> 01:39:44,394 You see, you know, it's like, I feel like, one of the harder parts for me, right? 2236 01:39:44,394 --> 01:39:46,944 Like I love writing music, performing is so fun. 2237 01:39:46,944 --> 01:39:50,344 That just feels like second nature, but it could be a little nerve wracking 2238 01:39:50,364 --> 01:39:53,384 to get into a studio and be like, okay, like one of these takes is going 2239 01:39:53,384 --> 01:39:57,494 to be the take that everyone's going to hear whenever they look up their 2240 01:39:57,494 --> 01:39:58,914 song, but they look me up and stuff. 2241 01:39:58,914 --> 01:40:01,984 So I've been, the last year, I've definitely been trying to get in 2242 01:40:02,014 --> 01:40:04,904 the studio as often as I can and to just get comfortable with it. 2243 01:40:04,964 --> 01:40:08,529 And I think a part of it is just like, you know, I, writing 2244 01:40:08,529 --> 01:40:09,789 songs is super accessible. 2245 01:40:09,859 --> 01:40:12,129 I can sit down and write a song in time. 2246 01:40:12,559 --> 01:40:16,079 Um, and then performing, I've always been, you know, I've been good at booking. 2247 01:40:16,099 --> 01:40:16,819 I know how to do it. 2248 01:40:16,819 --> 01:40:17,869 I know how to send the email. 2249 01:40:17,869 --> 01:40:20,199 I know how to, I know how to get the booking agent to say yes. 2250 01:40:20,939 --> 01:40:24,909 But studio stuff, you know, until recently, I never even had a home studio. 2251 01:40:24,929 --> 01:40:26,349 It just wasn't an animal. 2252 01:40:26,379 --> 01:40:29,299 I couldn't practice with my microphone, practice the levels or 2253 01:40:29,299 --> 01:40:32,409 anything like that, or try to figure out what kind of sound do I like. 2254 01:40:32,919 --> 01:40:34,669 Um, but I love to write music. 2255 01:40:34,669 --> 01:40:39,339 So now I feel like I'm in that space of trying to close that gap of, all right, 2256 01:40:39,339 --> 01:40:43,549 I have this awesome live performance, I have these good songs, um, and I 2257 01:40:43,559 --> 01:40:48,999 want my recordings to really reflect the emotional intensity, you know, of, 2258 01:40:49,029 --> 01:40:52,859 of what, what I'm feeling in my mind and in my heart when I'm, when I'm 2259 01:40:52,859 --> 01:40:54,449 writing them or when I'm singing them, 2260 01:40:54,784 --> 01:40:55,494 Shaun Smith: Oh, that's awesome. 2261 01:40:56,094 --> 01:41:00,244 Do you get like some, some inspiration from, uh, from like a festival like 2262 01:41:00,244 --> 01:41:01,554 the Philadelphia Folk Festival? 2263 01:41:01,554 --> 01:41:04,184 Does it kind of energize you to, uh, to write 2264 01:41:04,389 --> 01:41:08,369 Sug Daniels: I just, man, yeah, every, live performances always make me feel like 2265 01:41:08,399 -->

01:41:12,739 I can't wait to get back in the studio and I can't wait to write the music Um, I 2266 01:41:12,739 --> 01:41:14,959 got a chance to open up for Molly Tuttle 2267 01:41:15,064 --> 01:41:15,794 Shaun Smith: Oh, well. 2268 01:41:16,399 --> 01:41:16,859 Sug Daniels: Yeah. 2269 01:41:16,859 --> 01:41:18,359 And it came up pressure. 2270 01:41:18,519 --> 01:41:21,089 It was like a, um, what was it called? 2271 01:41:21,099 --> 01:41:22,409 Concert under the stars. 2272 01:41:22,489 --> 01:41:25,319 It's like a WSBN vocal point entertainment put together. 2273 01:41:25,319 --> 01:41:25,929 It was really fun. 2274 01:41:25,930 --> 01:41:30,089 But I was like, you know, and we're talking about bluegrass now, or, you know, 2275 01:41:30,159 --> 01:41:33,009 a little while ago, but I was like, I think I'm gonna make some bluegrass music 2276 01:41:33,009 --> 01:41:35,189 soon, like, or at least have some of that. 2277 01:41:35,209 --> 01:41:37,889 Now the album is already kind of like finished as far as like 2278 01:41:37,889 --> 01:41:40,659 song list and a lot of the music. 2279 01:41:41,279 --> 01:41:44,469 For all the songs are put down, but like, I'm going to be doing forever. 2280 01:41:44,469 --> 01:41:47,559 So I was like, all right, well, I think maybe the next album, I want 2281 01:41:47,559 --> 01:41:51,419 to write a couple of songs, a couple of teams that like really lean into 2282 01:41:51,419 --> 01:41:53,489 bluegrass because that music is so fine. 2283 01:41:53,489 --> 01:41:58,869 And like for them to not have a drummer, how, how danceable that music is. 2284 01:41:58,919 --> 01:42:01,869 And like, yeah, how it's just like all the subject matter. 2285 01:42:01,869 --> 01:42:05,359 And like, I don't know, it's just a really, really beautiful, um, and, and 2286 01:42:05,359 --> 01:42:08,599 I'm listening to some bluegrass, but I don't think that I'd ever really felt 2287 01:42:11,209 --> 01:42:14,939 So, yeah, live performance is always, like, getting fired up. 2288 01:42:14,940 --> 01:42:16,329 Mhm. 2289 01:42:16,519 --> 01:42:19,139 Shaun Smith: inspire anybody, I think, to write some bluegrass, or at least 2290 01:42:19,139 --> 01:42:22,669 listen to it, because she is, she's amazing, and she's one of, I go to the 2291 01:42:22,669 --> 01:42:28,019 Philadelphia Folk Festival because of the, uh, because of like the musical discovery, 2292 01:42:28,319 --> 01:42:33,209 and I saw a young Molly Tuttle perform on the Thursday night concert just for 2293 01:42:33,229 --> 01:42:35,819 campers, and she blew everybody away. 2294 01:42:35,839 --> 01:42:38,479 I mean, she was absolutely, and I became a fan immediately. 2295 01:42:38,479 --> 01:42:43,149 I think it was her, I think it was, Sturgill Simpson played on the same bill, 2296 01:42:43,649 --> 01:42:48,899 In like, I don't even know, 2012, 2010. 2297 01:42:48,899 --> 01:42:51,189 Like it was a long, it seemed like a long time ago. 2298 01:42:51,589 --> 01:42:53,779 Uh, again, I

was smoking a lot of reefer back then. 2299 01:42:53,779 --> 01:42:58,229 So the years, the years kind of blend together, but I remember the performance 2300 01:42:58,249 --> 01:43:00,699 and, and I've been a huge fan ever since. 2301 01:43:01,069 --> 01:43:02,539 And, uh, yeah. 2302 01:43:02,539 --> 01:43:06,189 So what was your impression of the Folk Festival a couple of years ago? 2303 01:43:07,434 --> 01:43:07,984 Sug Daniels: Oh my God. 2304 01:43:08,034 --> 01:43:11,714 It was, it was really, I feel like life changing for me and it was life 2305 01:43:11,714 --> 01:43:14,784 changing in the sense where I really, you hear a lot, especially as a 2306 01:43:14,804 --> 01:43:19,174 musician that it's like, okay, you want to go viral and that's really cool. 2307 01:43:19,174 --> 01:43:22,704 But like, in order to really sustain yourself and your career, you need to find 2308 01:43:22,704 --> 01:43:26,414 a community of people and it needs to be like a give and take, like you can't just 2309 01:43:26,934 --> 01:43:29,774 think about it by myself and listen to my music, like what are you doing for them? 2310 01:43:29,775 --> 01:43:32,514 And I think the Folk Festival was really the first time I ever 2311 01:43:32,514 --> 01:43:33,964 really seen what it looks like. 2312 01:43:34,254 --> 01:43:37,804 For musicians to be supported by the community, because they're 2313 01:43:37,814 --> 01:43:42,034 really giving their all, they're really going out of their way to. 2314 01:43:42,554 --> 01:43:46,144 You know, bring the positivity, bring the messaging to bring the people together. 2315 01:43:46,574 --> 01:43:49,554 Um, and the camping was just so fun. 2316 01:43:49,554 --> 01:43:51,704 I will be camping this year also. 2317 01:43:51,724 --> 01:43:52,714 Like I'm playing this year. 2318 01:43:52,724 --> 01:43:53,544 I'm very excited. 2319 01:43:53,544 --> 01:43:54,354 I'm going to be camping. 2320 01:43:54,754 --> 01:43:57,484 Um, and just hanging out all night because it's, the party 2321 01:43:57,484 --> 01:43:58,724 isn't over after, after the camp. 2322 01:43:58,984 --> 01:44:00,184 the, the festival. 2323 01:44:00,214 --> 01:44:04,174 It's, even after that, you know, you go back to the campsites and everybody's just 2324 01:44:04,514 --> 01:44:09,144 making food and sharing food and sharing stories and playing, playing songs. 2325 01:44:09,154 --> 01:44:12,664 The first time I ever touched a banjo was at Philadelphia 2326 01:44:12,664 --> 01:44:13,884 Folk Festival two years ago. 2327 01:44:14,244 --> 01:44:17,274 And now I have one in my studio, in my little home studio because 2328 01:44:17,274 --> 01:44:18,414 I was like, oh, this is magic. 2329 01:44:18,504 --> 01:44:21,844 This is like such a fun, you know, nobody cared that I didn't sound all that good. 2330 01:44:21,864 --> 01:44:23,804 They just were, come here, you're welcome. 2331 01:44:23,834 --> 01:44:26,834 Sit down, play this, like, you know, have a sip of this drink. 2332 01:44:26,834 --> 01:44:28,114 I didn't know what it was, but it was good. 2333 01:44:28,614 --> 01:44:32,394 Uh, you know, and yeah, so very excited to be back. 2334 01:44:32,394 --> 01:44:33,594 I, I highly recommend it. 2335 01:44:33,594 --> 01:44:36,834 I think it's just an experience like no other, especially while I've ever been 2336 01:44:37,464 --> 01:44:39,494 Shaun Smith: Yeah, the ukulele is a lot more portable than some of 2337 01:44:39,494 --> 01:44:40,764 the other instruments I've seen. 2338 01:44:40,764 --> 01:44:46,454 Uh, I saw a full drum kit, uh, one year, full drum kit, just set up. 2339 01:44:46,734 --> 01:44:47,894 And of course he's not moving. 2340 01:44:47,894 --> 01:44:49,874 So people would just come to him and 2341 01:44:50,054 --> 01:44:50,504 Sug Daniels: Yeah. 2342 01:44:50,504 --> 01:44:50,954 Yeah. 2343 01:44:50,954 --> 01:44:53,564 I think I, I think that he was definitely there. 2344 01:44:53,714 --> 01:44:57,344 And then some people will like wheel in a big piano, like there was one campsite, 2345 01:44:57,614 --> 01:44:58,814 and that's something cool too, right? 2346 01:44:58,814 --> 01:45:02,564 There's all these like little campsites and they have their own names, like 2347 01:45:02,564 --> 01:45:05,534 little villages and like over here in this village, they have like a. 2348 01:45:05,784 --> 01:45:08,584 They'll have a drum kit, and over here in this next village, they'll have like 2349 01:45:08,584 --> 01:45:11,394 an upright piano, and you're like, how the heck did they get that back here? 2350 01:45:11,744 --> 01:45:14,024 Um, and then, you know, over here they have like a circle 2351 01:45:14,024 --> 01:45:16,574 of people playing banjos, and there's some violins over there. 2352 01:45:16,584 --> 01:45:19,574 So it's just like, you feel like you're in another world. 2353 01:45:19,794 --> 01:45:21,204 Shaun Smith: Oh, it's definitely another world. 2354 01:45:21,204 --> 01:45:21,384 Yeah. 2355 01:45:21,384 --> 01:45:22,844 There's some upright bases. 2356 01:45:23,104 --> 01:45:26,624 You get the Philadelphia jug band have their whole, they basically have 2357 01:45:26,644 --> 01:45:30,604 a small city, it seems like they're with, I don't even know, like they'll 2358 01:45:30,604 --> 01:45:32,704 have 20 people performing at any time. 2359 01:45:32,734 --> 01:45:35,504 I mean, it's, it's quite a performance out there. 2360 01:45:37,304 --> 01:45:37,954 Sug Daniels: it's wild. 2361 01:45:38,034 --> 01:45:38,544 It's wild. 2362 01:45:38,564 --> 01:45:39,428 Looking forward to it. 2363 01:45:39,428 --> 01:45:41,614 Obviously, you, so you already fucking seen me out there, 2364 01:45:41,615 --> 01:45:42,434 how are you gonna link up? 2365 01:45:42,464 --> 01:45:43,494 We got a biggest jam. 2366 01:45:43,734 --> 01:45:45,374 Shaun Smith: Oh yeah, definitely, definitely. 2367 01:45:45,374 --> 01:45:48,634 Yeah, and I'm stoked that you're going to be performing on the extreme, 2368 01:45:48,974 -->

01:45:52,224 the extreme folk stage with WXPN. 2369 01:45:52,494 --> 01:45:55,474 How does it feel to, uh, to make folk music extreme? 2370 01:45:56,609 --> 01:45:58,579 Sug Daniels: I love it, you know, like I said, I think it's 2371 01:45:58,579 --> 01:46:00,039 just such a welcoming genre. 2372 01:46:00,039 --> 01:46:03,139 It's like, I feel like growing up, I thought folk music 2373 01:46:03,149 --> 01:46:04,429 was this one kind of thing. 2374 01:46:04,429 --> 01:46:08,019 It was like, maybe kind of sleepy, sleepy girl, guitar music. 2375 01:46:08,329 --> 01:46:12,289 And now that I'm older, I'm like, Oh, John Prine is not sleepy in slightest. 2376 01:46:13,409 --> 01:46:16,529 And then in wide awake, you know, spiritually and musically, you 2377 01:46:16,529 --> 01:46:17,919 know, it's fun, really fun stuff. 2378 01:46:17,919 --> 01:46:19,989 So I feel like I can just be myself. 2379 01:46:19,999 --> 01:46:20,669 And it's like, I need to. 2380 01:46:20,934 --> 01:46:25,034 Adhere to any kind of anything, you know, like not the way that I look 2381 01:46:25,034 --> 01:46:26,354 or the way that I found or anything. 2382 01:46:26,354 --> 01:46:28,334 It's just that people just want you to be honest. 2383 01:46:28,384 --> 01:46:32,774 They want you to be the most you that you can be, which I think whether you're 2384 01:46:32,774 --> 01:46:37,434 making music or, you know, brewing beer or having a podcast, if you are 2385 01:46:37,434 --> 01:46:41,474 your true authentic self, then you give people the opportunity to learn and 2386 01:46:41,474 --> 01:46:43,454 also to see themselves reflected in you. 2387 01:46:43,474 --> 01:46:45,584 And if you're pretending to be anybody else, you're robbing 2388 01:46:45,584 --> 01:46:47,094 them of that opportunity. 2389 01:46:47,784 --> 01:46:48,784 Shaun Smith: That's so amazing. 2390 01:46:48,824 --> 01:46:49,294 Yeah. 2391 01:46:49,714 --> 01:46:53,884 Yeah, well, well, Suge, um, yeah, I ask every guest three questions, 2392 01:46:53,884 --> 01:46:56,354 but was there anything that I didn't ask you that you think that I should 2393 01:46:56,354 --> 01:46:58,854 have asked or anything else you want to talk about before I get down to 2394 01:46:58,854 --> 01:47:00,984 these, uh, these final three questions? 2395 01:47:00,985 --> 01:47:01,174 Yes. 2396 01:47:02,179 --> 01:47:04,329 Sug Daniels: Um, no, I just, I definitely want people to know I got an album 2397 01:47:04,329 --> 01:47:05,679 coming out, working on that album. 2398 01:47:05,709 --> 01:47:09,389 Finished up some, some drums with my, my beautiful drummer, Alice Clayton. 2399 01:47:09,629 --> 01:47:13,999 He's moving out to, um, Minnesota, which I'm excited about, but, well, sad 2400 01:47:13,999 --> 01:47:16,979 about, but also excited about because that opens up a whole new market for 2401 01:47:16,979 --> 01:47:21,929 us to go touring and make some friends and fans, but it'll be out in 2025. 2402 01:47:22,219 --> 01:47:24,709 It's got some

good friends, some really good players on it. 2403 01:47:24,709 --> 01:47:28,589 And a lot of this music that if you've ever come to a lot of that, your favorite 2404 01:47:28,589 --> 01:47:30,589 songs are going to be on this album. 2405 01:47:30,599 --> 01:47:32,499 So I'm excited about that. 2406 01:47:32,614 --> 01:47:33,264 Shaun Smith: That's awesome. 2407 01:47:33,264 --> 01:47:36,724 Any idea when in 2025, like first half, second half? 2408 01:47:41,004 --> 01:47:41,504 Cool. 2409 01:47:41,739 --> 01:47:41,759 Sug Daniels: know. 2410 01:47:42,214 --> 01:47:42,714 Shaun Smith: That's all right. 2411 01:47:43,149 --> 01:47:45,519 Sug Daniels: it's finishing up, but I want, I definitely, I want to shop around. 2412 01:47:45,519 --> 01:47:46,919 I want to see if anybody's interested. 2413 01:47:46,920 --> 01:47:51,379 Cause it's hard on me, you know, I could definitely do it by myself, but 2414 01:47:51,419 --> 01:47:56,069 if there are any labels that want to help, you know, or any kind of, you 2415 01:47:56,139 --> 01:47:58,639 know, I would be interested in listening. 2416 01:47:58,809 --> 01:48:01,959 So I'm, I'm not gonna, I don't want to say a date yet because I don't want to 2417 01:48:01,969 --> 01:48:06,439 have to tell you any different, but what I will say, um, is that I do plan on 2418 01:48:06,859 --> 01:48:11,209 doing some kind of sneak peek releases to people who are on like my email list. 2419 01:48:12,469 --> 01:48:14,299 My friend club and you can sign up for that. 2420 01:48:14,299 --> 01:48:15,149 If you go to shugdaniels. 2421 01:48:15,369 --> 01:48:19,759 com, that's S U G D A N I E L S dot com. 2422 01:48:19,759 --> 01:48:24,389 And you scroll down and a little, you know, friend club, sign up, you know, 2423 01:48:24,399 --> 01:48:29,299 once a month, I send out tour dates, music videos, and cool music clips 2424 01:48:29,299 --> 01:48:31,299 and podcasts and stuff like that. 2425 01:48:31,309 --> 01:48:36,039 So if you, if you like, uh, spreading love, joy in, in, in the form of, in 2426 01:48:36,269 --> 01:48:38,669 shape of music, you know, sign up. 2427 01:48:39,364 --> 01:48:39,774 Shaun Smith: Absolutely. 2428 01:48:39,804 --> 01:48:41,584 I'm a proud member of the friend club. 2429 01:48:42,579 --> 01:48:43,299 Sug Daniels: Thank you. 2430 01:48:43,549 --> 01:48:43,999 Thank you. 2431 01:48:44,274 --> 01:48:44,944 Shaun Smith: That's awesome. 2432 01:48:44,944 --> 01:48:45,314 Well, yeah. 2433 01:48:45,314 --> 01:48:47,374 So Shug, uh, final three questions. 2434 01:48:47,684 --> 01:48:51,784 Um, so what was the first album that you ever received or, um, 2435 01:48:51,784 --> 01:48:52,634 that you went out and bought? 2436 01:48:54,149 --> 01:48:57,489 Sug Daniels: The first album that I ever got was probably my dad buying 2437 01:48:57,499 --> 01:48:59,819 me The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill. 2438 01:48:59,914 --> 01:49:00,214 Shaun Smith: Wow. 2439 01:49:00,214 --> 01:49:00,974 What a great album. 2440 01:49:01,799 --> 01:49:02,879 Sug Daniels: Yeah, that was funny. 2441 01:49:02,889 --> 01:49:07,079 It was, it really, man, there's just so many things it did for me, but definitely 2442 01:49:07,479 --> 01:49:09,689 made me really proud to be a woman. 2443 01:49:10,319 --> 01:49:14,769 And I think that even though that like sounds kind of funny, sometimes when you 2444 01:49:14,769 --> 01:49:18,969 grow up in certain households, like I definitely grew up in a very male forward 2445 01:49:18,969 --> 01:49:23,359 Christian household and sometimes it just felt like women were like second bananas, 2446 01:49:23,459 --> 01:49:24,789 you know, for lack of better terms. 2447 01:49:24,799 --> 01:49:28,289 Even though I've seen the women in my family, you know, with the good jobs, 2448 01:49:28,329 --> 01:49:31,279 taking care of the kids, running the households, taking us to school, doing 2449 01:49:31,279 --> 01:49:36,684 all the things, um, just felt I heard this song, I was like, oh yeah, I can 2450 01:49:36,684 --> 01:49:38,974 have, I can take pride in who I am. 2451 01:49:39,054 --> 01:49:42,444 And just because I'm a woman, you know, my, my worth is more than just the look, 2452 01:49:42,774 --> 01:49:44,884 the look of my face and my hair, my body. 2453 01:49:45,384 --> 01:49:49,084 Um, and then also to just keep, to be honest in my music. 2454 01:49:49,414 --> 01:49:50,494 Uh, it taught me that too. 2455 01:49:51,179 --> 01:49:51,829 Shaun Smith: That's great. 2456 01:49:51,849 --> 01:49:52,319 That's great. 2457 01:49:52,319 --> 01:49:53,279 CD or cassette? 2458 01:49:53,279 --> 01:49:54,979 Just because we were talking about cassettes earlier. 2459 01:49:55,994 --> 01:49:57,494 Sug Daniels: That one was a CD my dad got me. 2460 01:49:57,629 --> 01:49:58,239 Shaun Smith: Awesome. 2461 01:49:58,319 --> 01:49:58,889 Awesome. 2462 01:49:58,949 --> 01:49:59,809 That's so cool. 2463 01:50:00,209 --> 01:50:02,469 Um, what was the first concert that you ever attended? 2464 01:50:03,984 --> 01:50:08,984 Sug Daniels: The first concert I ever attended was probably Go Go Bordello in 2465 01:50:09,029 --> 01:50:10,659 Shaun Smith: No way! 2466 01:50:10,734 --> 01:50:13,064 Sug Daniels: I'm like, yeah, cause I was like, you know, like I said, 2467 01:50:13,064 --> 01:50:16,494 I just had so many, I had a lot of eclectic taste in music growing up. 2468 01:50:16,884 --> 01:50:19,574 And there was like a moment in time when me and my friends 2469 01:50:19,584 --> 01:50:20,824 listened to Go Go Bordello. 2470 01:50:21,124 --> 01:50:23,924 Like right out of high school, we were just like all like, you know, 2471 01:50:24,519 --> 01:50:28,419 And the system, taxes are bad, like we gotta, we gotta mobilize, we gotta 2472 01:50:28,499 --> 01:50:32,939 get the people together, and like Coco Burgello was like perfect for that. 2473 01:50:33,499 --> 01:50:37,729 feeling like it was perfect for that and it was so it was one of 2474 01:50:37,729 --> 01:50:42,361 my tip

of the day one of the best concerts i ever seen well i'll tell 2475 01:50:42,664 --> 01:50:46,964 Shaun Smith: I, I was good friends with, uh, uh, for a time with the bass 2476 01:50:46,964 --> 01:50:50,534 player of big wig, uh, shout out to Zach Lawrence and, uh, big wig was a 2477 01:50:50,534 --> 01:50:56,994 New Jersey punk band and, um, he would rave about Google Bordello concerts. 2478 01:50:56,994 --> 01:51:00,024 He'd say, never have seen anything like this before. 2479 01:51:00,364 --> 01:51:02,964 And uh, unfortunately I never went to one and I always, I 2480 01:51:02,964 --> 01:51:04,474 was always on the bucket list. 2481 01:51:04,784 --> 01:51:06,854 So, uh, that's, that is really cool. 2482 01:51:06,854 --> 01:51:07,764 But there is definitely a, 2483 01:51:08,549 --> 01:51:11,129 Sug Daniels: they're touring they still tour all the time and i know i you know 2484 01:51:11,129 --> 01:51:14,329 i'm a delaware girl they're going to be at the queen in wilmington i think 2485 01:51:14,339 --> 01:51:18,099 like early september um just if you're still interested they're still doing 2486 01:51:18,099 --> 01:51:21,489 the thing i know the lineup changes all the time so i think you've got a bunch 2487 01:51:21,489 --> 01:51:25,459 of new players now um talking about you the lead singer eugene he's kind of like 2488 01:51:25,460 --> 01:51:30,494 you The brainchild of that band, but I do think for like what they stand for 2489 01:51:30,944 --> 01:51:34,614 and like the energy of that music, man I feel like everybody should go see google 2490 01:51:35,769 --> 01:51:36,659 Shaun Smith: That's so cool. 2491 01:51:36,689 --> 01:51:37,369 Yeah, that's so cool. 2492 01:51:37,369 --> 01:51:38,429 I'm going to put that on the list. 2493 01:51:38,429 --> 01:51:41,339 I actually just wrote it down so I can, I can look that up because I would 2494 01:51:41,339 --> 01:51:44,339 love to go see them because that is, yeah, you're right, there's an energy 2495 01:51:44,339 --> 01:51:47,739 there, but then there's all that, that authenticity where it's like, they're 2496 01:51:47,739 --> 01:51:49,639 not trying to be anything different. 2497 01:51:49,659 --> 01:51:52,889 They're just, you know, they're, they're playing traditional music, right? 2498 01:51:52,899 --> 01:51:56,469 They're a folk music, but putting that modern spin on it, giving it a 2499 01:51:56,469 --> 01:52:00,939 little bit of a metal, harder edge, um, you know, a lot of energy, man, 2500 01:52:00,999 --> 01:52:04,089 that's, I never thought I would be talking to you about Golgo Bordello. 2501 01:52:04,089 --> 01:52:04,989 That's so amazing. 2502 01:52:05,884 --> 01:52:07,334 Sug Daniels: a little bit of everything that doots and the 2503 01:52:07,334 --> 01:52:09,034 maytas go go burndale lauryn hill. 2504 01:52:09,254 --> 01:52:13,214 Let's listen if it's good Is good Quincy Jones said that he said there's only two 2505 01:52:13,214 --> 01:52:15,274 kinds of music good music and bad music. 2506 01:52:15,275 --> 01:52:16,781 That's 2507 01:52:16,844 --> 01:52:18,154 Shaun Smith: true, that's so true. 2508 01:52:18,204 --> 01:52:18,994 That's amazing. 2509 01:52:19,384 --> 01:52:25,184 So my last, my last question is, uh, what is your favorite, uh, song or, 2510 01:52:25,184 --> 01:52:28,984 excuse me, what is your favorite, uh, soundtrack or score from a movie? 2511 01:52:30,654 --> 01:52:32,174 And musicals don't count. 2512 01:52:32,314 --> 01:52:34,494 Don't, don't hit me with rent or something like that. 2513 01:52:37,334 --> 01:52:39,294 Sug Daniels: would never I would never although that music is 2514 01:52:39,294 --> 01:52:42,484 very good Oh, man, that's tough. 2515 01:52:42,484 --> 01:52:43,364 That's really tough. 2516 01:52:43,754 --> 01:52:44,834 I feel like 2517 01:52:49,534 --> 01:52:58,044 Let me check you might have to like clip the audio for this I will say 2518 01:52:58,424 --> 01:53:00,424 that although the movie didn't age. 2519 01:53:00,424 --> 01:53:03,204 Well, the soundtrack was really good garden state 2520 01:53:03,704 --> 01:53:04,744 Shaun Smith: Oh, wow! 2521 01:53:04,745 --> 01:53:05,734 Ha ha 2522 01:53:05,949 --> 01:53:08,369 Sug Daniels: Because I had like that was my first time hearing like Nick Drake 2523 01:53:08,409 --> 01:53:12,499 and I remember watching it on DVD and stopping it and being like, what is this? 2524 01:53:12,619 --> 01:53:12,959 Who is this? 2525 01:53:13,879 --> 01:53:17,489 And, you know, you can scroll through the credits and stuff like that at that 2526 01:53:17,489 --> 01:53:20,279 point in time and I found that song because I was like, this is amazing. 2527 01:53:20,280 --> 01:53:22,089 Yeah. 2528 01:53:22,089 --> 01:53:23,899 Yeah. 2529 01:53:23,954 --> 01:53:25,124 Shaun Smith: slang is on that. 2530 01:53:27,664 --> 01:53:32,674 I have to, I, so the podcast is not about me, but I just have to, I have to 2531 01:53:32,674 --> 01:53:37,174 share this story because I went to go see Garden State in the movie theater 2532 01:53:37,324 --> 01:53:41,294 when I was in, I was in high school and I was dating a girl at the time. 2533 01:53:42,109 --> 01:53:48,529 And she had, uh, a hamster that had died, I don't know, maybe a day or 2534 01:53:48,759 --> 01:53:49,219 Sug Daniels: my god, 2535 01:53:49,309 --> 01:53:50,929 Shaun Smith: before we saw that movie. 2536 01:53:51,369 --> 01:53:55,009 And the scene when, I think, Peanut Butter, the hamster, and the mom's 2537 01:53:55,009 --> 01:53:57,359 like, Peanut Butter dropped dead. 2538 01:53:57,844 --> 01:54:03,664 I couldn't, I don't know, this is my black humor, I could not stop laughing. 2539 01:54:03,694 --> 01:54:08,434 I, I had, I literally had to, yeah, probably it led to the breakup. 2540 01:54:09,574 --> 01:54:11,764 I had to literally, I was crying. 2541 01:54:11,764 --> 01:54:13,124 I had to leave the theater. 2542 01:54:13,314 --> 01:54:14,404 I couldn't breathe. 2543 01:54:14,704 --> 01:54:15,934 I mean, it

was just, you know, it was. 2544 01:54:17,249 --> 01:54:19,619 Sug Daniels: You are cold blooded, man. 2545 01:54:19,929 --> 01:54:21,509 That's exactly what you brought over to me. 2546 01:54:22,519 --> 01:54:23,889 That scene was so funny, though. 2547 01:54:23,939 --> 01:54:24,589 It really was. 2548 01:54:25,054 --> 01:54:26,624 Shaun Smith: that's such a great soundtrack, too. 2549 01:54:26,664 --> 01:54:30,654 That was definitely formative, uh, formative for me personally. 2550 01:54:30,954 --> 01:54:32,304 So uh, so yeah, that 2551 01:54:32,389 --> 01:54:36,599 Sug Daniels: Oh, and it had that, um, It had that, that Imogen Heap song that got 2552 01:54:36,599 --> 01:54:39,699 really crazy popular at the end where they're like running through the, like the 2553 01:54:39,699 --> 01:54:41,779 classic running through the airport scene. 2554 01:54:42,064 --> 01:54:42,894 Shaun Smith: oh yeah, 2555 01:54:43,799 --> 01:54:45,909 Sug Daniels: was, that was how I discovered that song. 2556 01:54:46,309 --> 01:54:49,099 So yeah, wonderful, wonderful soundtrack. 2557 01:54:49,099 --> 01:54:51,509 That's probably one of the best soundtracks I feel like it is. 2558 01:54:51,659 --> 01:54:52,459 I'm glad that I heard it. 2559 01:54:52,459 --> 01:54:53,469 I feel like it really helped me. 2560 01:54:53,509 --> 01:54:57,999 It shaped a lot of my music taste for, for a while, for, for a long while, 2561 01:54:57,999 --> 01:55:01,339 but there's a lot of really, really amazing music in that movie for sure. 2562 01:55:01,624 --> 01:55:04,154 Shaun Smith: yeah, I think there's even an Elliot Smith song on there too. 2563 01:55:04,554 --> 01:55:07,114 Sug Daniels: Yeah, yeah, yeah, 2564 01:55:07,394 --> 01:55:08,084 Shaun Smith: so cool. 2565 01:55:08,404 --> 01:55:12,584 So cool, well Shug Daniels, um, I know you're performing, uh, 1 o'clock at 2566 01:55:12,584 --> 01:55:17,244 the Tank Stage at the Philadelphia Folk Festival, 1 o'clock on Saturday, uh, at 2567 01:55:17,244 --> 01:55:21,434 the Tank Stage, which is the one that's, uh, if you're looking, it's, it's stage 2568 01:55:21,434 --> 01:55:24,264 left, it's like if you're looking at the stage, it's all the way over to the right. 2569 01:55:24,494 --> 01:55:27,434 But do you have any, uh, other upcoming performances or anything else you want 2570 01:55:27,434 --> 01:55:28,864 to tell the, uh, the folks at home? 2571 01:55:29,874 --> 01:55:32,914 Sug Daniels: yeah, if you don't, if you don't catch me there, I'll be, and if 2572 01:55:32,914 --> 01:55:36,584 you're in New Jersey, I'm playing the Oktoberfest in Medford, New Jersey. 2573 01:55:36,854 --> 01:55:41,024 I think it's called Freedom Park on September 21st, uh, and then I will also 2574 01:55:41,024 --> 01:55:43,964 be doing a women's, uh, writers round. 2575 01:55:44,449 --> 01:55:48,239 At World Cafe Live on September 7th? 2576 01:55:48,619 --> 01:55:49,669 Yeah, September 7th. 2577 01:55:50,139 --> 01:55:52,119 Um, and then also, like, I'm always touring. 2578 01:55:52,159 --> 01:55:55,129 It's kind of, like, playing music and selling merchandise 2579 01:55:55,819 --> 01:55:57,439 are my main forms of income. 2580 01:55:57,459 --> 01:56:01,009 So, if you, if you log onto my website, shugdaniels. 2581 01:56:01,039 --> 01:56:02,649 com slash tour. 2582 01:56:03,559 --> 01:56:05,189 All my dates are there and I make it easy. 2583 01:56:05,189 --> 01:56:06,849 So I put ticket links on there too. 2584 01:56:07,139 --> 01:56:08,929 Um, I got a lot of touring coming up. 2585 01:56:08,929 --> 01:56:10,269 I'm going to be in Syracuse. 2586 01:56:10,709 --> 01:56:13,579 I'm going to be in Cleveland for the first time. 2587 01:56:13,889 --> 01:56:15,069 Uh, lots of Delaware stuff. 2588 01:56:15,069 --> 01:56:17,629 So anybody, any of my Delaware listeners just check out, you 2589 01:56:17,629 --> 01:56:20,469 know, s u g d a n i e l s. 2590 01:56:20,739 --> 01:56:21,299 com. 2591 01:56:21,779 --> 01:56:24,479 And, uh, yeah, I can't, I love, I love making music. 2592 01:56:24,479 --> 01:56:26,429 I love meeting people and singing songs. 2593 01:56:26,429 --> 01:56:28,619 It's such a fun way to introduce yourself to someone. 2594 01:56:29,039 --> 01:56:30,279 Um, so yeah, come say hi. 2595 01:56:30,919 --> 01:56:31,589 Shaun Smith: That's awesome. 2596 01:56:31,609 --> 01:56:33,369 Well, I can't wait to see you at the Folk Festival. 2597 01:56:34,059 --> 01:56:35,859 Sug Daniels: Anyway, I can't wait to meet you in person, man. 2598 01:56:35,859 --> 01:56:38,049 This was a good, this was a good hang. 2599 01:56:38,249 --> 01:56:38,939 Shaun Smith: Absolutely. 2600 01:56:38,939 --> 01:56:39,089 Yeah. 2601 01:56:39,089 --> 01:56:40,219 I can't wait to do it in person. 2602 01:56:40,219 --> 01:56:40,409 Yeah. 2603 01:56:40,409 --> 01:56:41,459 Let's make a point to do it. 2604 01:56:42,479 --> 01:56:43,239 Sug Daniels: Yeah, man. 2605 01:56:43,249 --> 01:56:44,429 Thank you so much for having me. 2606 01:56:44,429 --> 01:56:47,829 I appreciate everybody who gives me the opportunity to like talk about music 2607 01:56:47,829 --> 01:56:49,269 and spread a little light and joy. 2608 01:56:49,699 --> 01:56:50,129 Shaun Smith: Absolutely. 2609 01:56:50,129 --> 01:56:52,509 Hey, keep spreading light and joy and, uh, there'll be plenty 2610 01:56:52,509 --> 01:56:53,699 more opportunities for you. 2611 01:56:54,529 --> 01:56:55,159 Sug Daniels: Thank you, man. 2612 01:56:55,159 --> 01:56:55,959 I appreciate it. 2613 01:56:56,159 --> 01:56:56,939 Shaun Smith: That's awesome. 2614 01:56:57,239 --> 01:56:57,999 Shug, thank you. 2615 01:56:57,999 --> 01:56:59,129 This was a great chat. 2616 01:56:59,779 --> 01:57:00,169 Sug Daniels: Thank you. 2617 01:57:00,169 --> 01:57:00,969 I think so too. 2618 01:57:01,469 --> 01:57:02,169 That's fun. 2619 01:57:02,499 --> 01:57:03,289 Shaun Smith: Absolutely. 2620 01:57:03,289 --> 01:57:08,979 So my goal is to get this out by, so I'm, I'm leaving Thursday morning. 2621 01:57:09,079 --> 01:57:12,739 Uh, so my goal would be to get this out by the end of the day on Wednesday. 2622 01:57:12,999 --> 01:57:15,339 So hopefully people will be listening to this, like as 2623 01:57:15,339 --> 01:57:16,319 they're going to the festival. 2624 01:57:17,209 --> 01:57:18,249 Sug Daniels: Well, that sounds wonderful. 2625 01:57:18,519 --> 01:57:21,779 So yeah, just tag me, send it to me and I'll blast it. 2626 01:57:21,779 --> 01:57:23,569 I'll blast it as soon as you, as soon as you send it. 2627 01:57:23,679 --> 01:57:25,299 Shaun Smith: Yeah, and I'll definitely, I'll try to come over 2628 01:57:25,299 --> 01:57:26,549 and say hi to you on Saturday. 2629 01:57:27,249 --> 01:57:27,569 Sug Daniels: Yeah. 2630 01:57:27,569 --> 01:57:29,499 And if you don't catch my show, you're doing something else. 2631 01:57:29,499 --> 01:57:31,379 Just, just come make, let's just make it a point. 2632 01:57:31,379 --> 01:57:34,359 I would love to just shake your hand and give you a hug and say, thanks. 2633 01:57:34,359 --> 01:57:34,739 All right. 2634 01:57:34,749 --> 01:57:37,089 Shaun Smith: Yeah, I'll, I'll, uh, I'll text you, uh, I'll 2635 01:57:37,089 --> 01:57:37,999 text you at the festival. 2636 01:57:37,999 --> 01:57:38,679 How about that? 2637 01:57:39,259 --> 01:57:40,259 Sug Daniels: Sounds good. 2638 01:57:40,619 --> 01:57:41,749 Shaun Smith: Thanks again for all your time. 2639 01:57:41,749 --> 01:57:42,719 I really appreciate it. 2640 01:57:42,729 --> 01:57:45,329 And, uh, yeah, this is a, this is a fantastic conversation. 2641 01:57:45,329 --> 01:57:46,819 I really can't wait to meet you in person. 2642 01:57:47,619 --> 01:57:48,569 Sug Daniels: Thank you, Shannon. 2643 01:57:48,569 --> 01:57:49,289 You have a good one, man. 2644 01:57:49,289 --> 01:57:49,919 I appreciate you. 2645 01:57:49,919 --> 01:57:50,419 Shaun Smith: Thank you. 2646 01:57:50,429 --> 01:57:50,969 Appreciate you. 2647 01:57:50,979 --> 01:57:51,849 Have a great day. 2648 01:57:52,479 --> 01:57:52,589 Bye 2649 01:57:52,669 --> 01:57:52,839 Sug Daniels: right. 2650 01:57:52,849 --> 01:57:53,269 Bye bye.