النص الكامل لحلقة Grimerican Pie w/ Graham Dunlop & Darren Grimes

that's that's cool. Yeah, Darren and I used to do that too until ⁓ a few years back, I guess. Hey Darren, about four or five years ago probably. Darren Grimes: Funny enough until it be until it made money. As soon as it made money and we could ⁓ as soon as soon as Graham could do it as a job, he was out of here. Graham Dunlop: Yeah. Yeah. The Eh-soteric Archives: Okay. Yeah. Graham Dunlop: I quit my day job first and Darren just did it about a year ago, year and a half. The Eh-soteric Archives: ⁓ cool. That's ⁓ yeah, that's the dream for sure. For sure the dream. Yeah. It ⁓ it's hard sometimes wearing wearing the two different hats and trying to turn your brain off when thinking about things that we talk about right on the show while you're at your job and not I d I don't know. I've always been someone who's pretty outspoken, but I'm still tentative to say some things to certain people who you work with, right? You don't wanna whatever, but Graham Dunlop: ⁓ yeah, especially nowadays. I can't it's it's it would be weird going back to to work. It's weird enough for me. I started playing hockey again for the first time, but since I played on an organized like ice hockey team, there wasn't all this social media, there wasn't the polarization. Like I'm almost like kinda awkward I I like don't know how to really act, you know. I don't wanna talk about too much stuff because I don't want people to I don't want to get pigeonholed as this or that. So I just kinda just Chill, take it easy, don't say much, but there's not really a lot of talking going on either. It's like ve it's it's very strange these days. The Eh-soteric Archives: Yeah, everything's super surface level these days, I find. Yeah. Graham Dunlop: It seems. Yeah. Unless you kinda get find a a little niche or some people that you know you can talk to. It does feel like it's very surface level. Yeah. The Eh-soteric Archives: Yeah. That's the way. That's the way for sure. I I have found though, like there's a few few guys that that I work with that we've kinda you know, it started with, you know, looking up in the sky or just this or that, however it started, and now there's it's nice. It's nice to have a couple people, you know what I mean, who who also feel the same. Maybe ⁓ maybe everything will change. I do think Darren Grimes: Just gotta share funny memes with them. Graham Dunlop: Yeah. The Eh-soteric Archives: I do think some in some ways people are starting to be a bit more open to talk about stuff though because everything it's so obvious, right? When you bring things up now, it's not every conspiracy seems to come true. Yeah. I mean I I I still work with retards, so it's it's hard to Graham Dunlop: Yeah. Darren Grimes: Now our problem is everyone we work with is not, so there's no you kind of lose that baseline to reality. The Eh-soteric Archives: Yeah. Yeah, except well I get you get to be the sane one now though, at least there's that, right? Kind of Darren Grimes: ⁓ I guess, yeah, sometimes. Sometimes not so much, but there is ⁓ it is weird just existing in a digital digital ⁓ weird world, you know? Like and we're just in it all the time now. So it's just all Epstein files and UFOs and there's no time for local sports team or anything else. It's just wall to wall craziness. The Eh-soteric Archives: Yeah. Yeah, fair enough. I wanted to ask because l so when I like I found you guys in I think it was like twenty twenty, twenty twenty one. ⁓ it was like ⁓ right around the time I started kind of listening to higher side chats. I I'm pretty sure that's how I found you guys was you were guests on on Greg's show. ⁓ or it was just linked through there or something. He anyways, yeah, I've I and then I noticed that like You guys were kinda picking up steam and then sort of faced you were part of that sort of deplatforming kind of thing that happened. When did was it right around like the covet nonsense that that that happened or what was the story with that that made you guys have to to to sort of change our platform? Darren Grimes: Well there's cov COVID stuff. There's some Jews stuff. I was mostly those two things that Graham Dunlop: But it was prior to that even, twenty seventeen, we did a debate with Del Bigtree and somebody else on vaccines and that that got us Darren Grimes: That's what got us out of the Apple store. Apple stuff. I mean, we're still in the I think we're still in there. We just weren't allowed on the charts anymore. So they not that that matters anymore. Nobody really I don't know where the fuck people find podcasts now, but back then it was the Apple charts. We got kicked off of those in in twenty seventeen and then like deplatformed off of YouTube, which we got back. Graham Dunlop: Yeah. Darren Grimes: And like we never got the main channel kicked off YouTube, just the other one. We got one channel back. Yeah. Demonetized. That was probably twenty nineteen and twenty twenty. And then I think KDP and Audible canceled us in probably like twenty twenty two. Twenty twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two. Graham Dunlop: But it was close. I mean it was constantly strike in in strike mode and and yeah. Kicking their teeth, yeah. Darren Grimes: Yeah, so we've been pretty well canceled. And Twitter canceled us in twenty twenty two. But they let us back on. Twitter ended up ⁓ letting us back on. It only took like two years. The Eh-soteric Archives: Wow. Graham Dunlop: But but it does bring up like what n it makes me think of the frustration 'cause I remember talking to Darren, we were excited because we were seeing this monthly growth. Like I think we're growing like ten or fifty we it's when we started to ask for donations and value for value and we were growing at like ten, fifteen percent a month. And we're like, This is pretty good. Like if we could just keep this going up and that would have been tw that would have been twenty eighteen ish, something like that, twenty nineteen. And then that's and then Darren Grimes:

No, before that even I think it might have been twenty sixteen. 'Cause then we like talked about Trump we got we got hammered when we talked about Trump in the election. Graham Dunlop: No, I remember where I was like I remember I was living at the time. Like I remember where I was. Yeah, no, no, this is different. This is after that. This is after. This is when we're talking about the growth prior to prior to the ⁓ the vaccine ⁓ the the COVID censorship really, I think. ⁓ no, no. You know what it was? It was the PayPal. Remember when there was all those issues with PayPal? Do you remember when people are getting canceled off of Patreon and PayPal and all that? It was Darren Grimes: Second half. The Eh-soteric Archives: Yeah. Darren Grimes: ⁓ that was when they then they made some threats. PayPal made some weird threats and a bunch of people deleted their PayPal accounts in protest. That that was a kick in the junk too. I mean if we were to just shut up about politics with and vaccines, we'd probably be rolling in dough by now, but here we are. Graham Dunlop: Yeah. The Eh-soteric Archives: Yeah. Yeah. Graham Dunlop: ⁓ I'm getting a lot of hate right now. I mean w for just Darren Grimes: Decidedly not rolling into. Did I I feel like I set your your thing on fire with the data center stuff? Yes. Graham Dunlop: Yeah, you did, yeah. Yeah. Me and Darren have been arguing about ⁓ about data centers, so I'm I'm on the unpopular side of that argument. I'm getting lots of hate. The Eh-soteric Archives: Mm-hmm. Yeah. That that actually was one of the questions we were gonna have for you because we like I f I'm mostly for social media, I go on a little bit a day and it's only Twitter and that's that's pretty much it. And I've noticed the the two of you going not back and forth, but you've Graham like so your your opinion's quite different than most people in this realm. Yeah. Do you guys do you wanna have the debate right here on air? Darren Grimes: Okay. Graham Dunlop: Yeah. Yeah. Darren Grimes: That's because he's a tech pro. Graham Dunlop: Yeah, sure. I mean we can a little bit. Yeah. I just I've I've kind of become a little bit less conspiratorial with the with the the elites. Like I've been listening to this all in podcast, right? It's got the those rich Darren Grimes: It doesn't have to be a conspiracy all the time though, even to be shitty. The Eh-soteric Archives: It's true. Graham Dunlop: Yeah, I know, I know, but it's just a new it's a new technology. It's an innovation. It's here to stay. It's gonna be here to stay. And I just I just don't want any government interference in the innovation aspect of AI, right? I'd rather have these companies battle it out and sort of at least as free a market as we can we can have and see how how it goes instead of, you know, having you know, China come down with their thing or the government, like if if Biden was in, he they would have had centralization and they would have picked a couple of companies to run run

with this and it would have been locked down and used by them. So I just I just like the innovation aspect of what's happening right now. I just don't like the deception that these companies are doing with the data centers and all that. But there's so much misinformation and there's a bunch of ⁓ NGO webs that are pushing back against it from outside influence and I it's I'm just surprised how many people are like this is the most hate I've got out of on the whole show. With all the different things I've talked about, this is it. Like and it's not a lot 'cause we never we don't really get that much hate. But I mean, people are like they're they're pissed off at me enough to email me and tell me, like, in a big long story, like why I'm such an idiot. So The Eh-soteric Archives: Mm-hmm. Darren Grimes: Well it's good that ⁓ that the email address is popping again. We got some feedback for the show. Graham Dunlop: Yeah. Yeah, I'm finally getting emails again. The Eh-soteric Archives: I mean, I th I yeah, I I kinda think that it's like I I kind of agree with you. Like it is sorta here to stay and data centers have existed for quite a few years already, right? Like j not to the they're definitely like growing and the the extent that the the funding is kind of being bumped up is is gotten wild. Well yeah, that's and that's Darren Grimes: Why do we need double all of a sudden? Have you ever seen a data center the size of a fucking airport? Graham Dunlop: Well, it's not. See, this is the thing. It's, you know, you're you're bec you're you're falling into the trap, right? It's you're it's not forty thousand acres. It's nine to ten thousand acres, right? The rest of it has been bought, but it's not all paved over. It's not a big data center that's that big. It's twenty five percent of the the size that your people are saying, right? Yet no. Darren Grimes: I'm I'm propagandized. I'm f wanted. Yet yet yet. I just don't see how this is different than you know, I just look at it the same as them putting up a bunch of fucking five G towers all the over the over the place that that I don't really you know that that's innovation too. Maybe it's great, but it's like the four G was fine, the stuff that wasn't tracking me every second, every day. It just seems like the more compute you have is just too Graham Dunlop: tracking. Darren Grimes: Is more tracking, whether it's to track where I'm spending my money, where I'm driving my car, what I'm saying on my telephone, you know, it don't matter. I can talk to my wife in bed at night about maybe getting a new mattress and the next day I'm getting ads on my phone for mattresses. That's just the like the benign level of it. That's just like so if the if just the mattress selling company can buy that slot from someone. The Eh-soteric Archives: Yeah. Yeah. Darren Grimes: Whoever it is, Facebook. I mean, I I I'm pretty sure it's Facebook and Instagram. So I actually I deleted Instagram today. And yeah, the only reason I haven't ⁓ yeah, and I just I've been spending too much time on it and it's just like these things try and ruin my day. The o I was gonna delete Facebook too. The only reason I didn't delete Facebook is because they've fucking completely taken over the marketplace scene. I was like fucking Graham Dunlop: Because of the mattress thing. The Eh-soteric Archives: Ha ha ha. Yeah, yeah, the buying used shit, yeah. Darren Grimes: 'Cause I I I've always been a like try to I don't know if you guys what you guys have out west, but here you probably remember it's it's Khajiji. And Kijiji's always been sort of bumping. You know, I remember a time and it's they got their lunch fucking eaten by marketplace. I mean, can you imagine just like owning that space, making that money, and all of a sudden you're just irrelevant overnight with a marketplace that you never had a chance of competing with? You know, it's not like it's like blockbuster. The Eh-soteric Archives: Yeah. ⁓ yeah. Darren Grimes: should have been I think Blockbuster even had a chance to buy Netflix, but even that outside of the box, you'd think when you have the money and the infrastructure and the stores, if you have people playing atten paying attention, you have this chance to sort of adapt into the new place and maybe start out with the money and the stuff to do all that kind of stuff and certain rights to things. And but how do you I mean when Facebook just decides it's doing what your business is, you've really got that's pretty hard to compete When the when the it's like, Hey, we're gonna do this now and you're just like, shit. Graham Dunlop: See, these are but these are separate issues to the data centers. I mean, I agree with I agree with you. And we have to like in my opinion, we have to get through all this stuff as humanity. Like we have to get through this next. Like we have to learn to live with this technology. And of course I don't wanna be tracked and I wanna be free, but we're gonna have to figure out how to get protections from from the governments on all this stuff. Darren Grimes: ⁓ yeah, no. I just think that What's it gonna do though? What's what are all the what is the what's the net po let's let's assume they just find a way to do the data centers so that they don't have to fuck with all the eco areas and that kind of stuff. What's the ⁓ Graham Dunlop: Well, it's not gonna last long. It's gonna be in space before you know it. Or people have a little mini data center at their home. Darren Grimes: Okay, so well what's the what's the net positive? Let's assume that it's not to track everything I do. What's the like net positive? What what is the improvement on AI in my life? Like what is the benevolent side of what they're up to? Well, they're smoke well well, they're like smoke and mirroring me with like dancing puppies and I can make you know people naked or do whatever I want with all this AI stuff, but it's all The Eh-soteric Archives: Mm. That yeah, that's what I'm Yeah.

Darren Grimes: It's all pretty novel on one end. On the other end it's replacing a bunch of cool stuff that we use all the time for the show, writing this, little things like that. I mean how much of that'll turn out to be plagiarism at the end of the day remains to be seen. I do still think there's a comeuppins coming for ⁓ you know, there's some there's some I couldn't I couldn't say ⁓ off the top of my head, but there's some pretty big lawsuits going on in the background right now over just that sort of stuff. But I just, you know, at It's just starting to get weird out there and it's sort of happened at the same time as all these flock cameras technology came out and all this drone technology came out. And it's just like all that stuff got to a certain level, tested in the field so that it works. And it's like now we need a data center in every, you know, within a within this far of every major population center. That's what it seems like. It seems like they suddenly need one in every population center all at once. Just like they did with the five G. Like it had to happen all right now, all at once. And it's not like like is your is your AI shitty right now? Is it running slow? Is it lagging? Was your phone not working real great on the on the system that was in place before they before they changed it all? You know, it's just The shots come out at the same time. The whole thing fucking stinks. And I can't I can't maybe articulate exactly why yet. I'm still sort of putting some of that together. But there's an there's an inorganicness to it because it it's not spouting it's not spouting out of here or there or there. And it's got all this government money and government backing and substitute. And of course the billionaire podcast is gonna tell you that AI centers are great. The Eh-soteric Archives: Mm-hmm. Graham Dunlop: And I'm just not going there. The Eh-soteric Archives: ⁓ Graham Dunlop: It's just it's a new industry, man. It's it's The Eh-soteric Archives: Well I think that's part of it though, right? Like Darren Grimes: I mean you're listening to the billionaires, literally. The Eh-soteric Archives: I I think the funding for it all just got pushed through and fast track so much and that they're like that's part of the psyop, right? Is they're trying to like they have to like boost the sentiment for it and it d they couldn't do it with with like videos and music because no one wants that. It's just it's just shit. And then so now they're just trying to ram it through because there's a you know, when you get like when you get investor funding like that, you have to spend it in a certain period of time. Otherwise like they need their ROI, right? So I th I Graham Dunlop: Well, it i it's a real erase against China too though. I mean, it's not just it it's a new industry, it's the innovation that's happening, it's it all it's all pretty happening pretty fast. It's very d what? The Eh-soteric Archives: Yeah. Darren Grimes: Yeah. think we already have like ten times as many data centers as China. I think we already have ten times as many. Graham Dunlop: Well, I mean, let's just put your conspiracies aside for a second and like I'm Darren Grimes: Well, okay. So I'll put my conspiracies aside because that's ⁓ I think the on the the one side of the coin you've got surveillance state that we know they've been building technocratic thing we've been talking about for thirteen years, this technocratic surveillance totalitarian state that now they're just continuing with this infrastructure right in front of us and somehow they flip gram. I don't know. That's the one side of the coin. The other side of the coin is they're like fucking windmills where it's just like the money's there. So you're grabbing it and you're spending it and it's just a giant waste of my hunting grounds and this and that. Because it's not just gonna be that original plot there, then they're gonna have to put in a bunch of roads to those plots, and then the next thing you know, there's gonna be infrastructure going out there, and then ⁓ now now we need to expand this thing. It's just a matter of time until it's I'm already out there dealing with solar panels and windmills ⁓ all over the fucking place that are that are in Alberta, you know. So it's like that's sort of the other side of the coin. ⁓ the benevolent side of the coin to me is it's just a giant fucking sh grab of cash, tax my money, some of my money, because it's not all private money. There's a bunch of public money going into it. Graham Dunlop: In Alberta. What ho how? Your money? Darren Grimes: And on all the different levels too. So it's not just like the feds are given to it. It's like all these different municipalities are buying into it. They're all just ⁓ the jobs, the jobs. So they're all just and hopefully there will there'll be jobs for like three weeks until the AI that you just built does the fucking jobs. ⁓ but the you know, and it just turns into like a giant money stealing shit show that can go on for long enough for them to just keep popping these things up. It's like the windmills, you know? How long have we known the windmills were bullshit for? The Eh-soteric Archives: Yeah. Darren Grimes: Over there's they're putting up fucking fifty a week. You know, it's like I c I drive by all the time and they're putting up more windmills. And it's like you know, it seems to me like it's common knowledge now that these things never replace the carbon footprint. There's these giant blades we don't know what to do with. There's it's just a giant kerfuffle, but we just keep going down that road. And I think that's like the best case scenario. If we is we have these giant like shithole fucking The Eh-soteric Archives: That's just kind of how like Darren Grimes: data center grounds that are now just sort of in ruin because it went the because the because you s you stepped past that le that spot in the technology so quickly that it became Graham Dunlop:

Yeah, yeah, but that we gotta find that though. We gotta find it. I mean, I don't think there's a lot of federal money going into it, is it? I mean it's mainly private money. Is is it aren't they Darren Grimes: From what I've seen, it's like twenty five percent. Graham Dunlop: From what, the States or the Canada? Darren Grimes: It's like like that's the average across the board. It's like when it's not just from the states and from Canada, it's from like the old one has a bunch of fucking old money in it and Alberta money in it. The Eh-soteric Archives: And Canadian In Infrastructure Bank and yeah and the government's invested in a lot of AI companies as well, like Cohere. They put a lot of money into that company. I I to me, I just think it's a trust. It's everything I I'm sorry, Graham. I I agree a a lot with Darren. And it's a trust thing. No, it's it's I just think it's a trust thing. The people at the top, it the people running everything, the people with the money and the people making the decisions. I I haven't agreed with Darren Grimes: Yeah. Graham Dunlop: That's okay. ⁓ I I'm totally cool with it. Every everybody does right now, everybody does. The Eh-soteric Archives: pretty much anything they've done or decided in the last decade or more and yeah. Darren Grimes: Well, and even if you have, even if you can find moments to agree with them, it's never that long. You know, it's been like what, like for we've been able to trust these tech bros for a couple years with this shit. Zuckerberg was just like banning my shit and influencing politics and doing all this shit like five years ago. And then now he's like, ⁓ you know, he's managed to and Elon did it sooner. He's Graham Dunlop: Yeah, I guess it's just it's just diff. Darren Grimes: If you trust Elon, you know, maybe he's maybe he's okay. It seems like he gets an awful lot of government contracts to be okay, but maybe he's okay and it's just like it starts to just seem e at the b ⁓ it's like within a decade these guys are gonna turn on us again over something. If the Graham Dunlop: Yeah, but that's fine. We gotta get there. We gotta get through that. I mean, I know, I know that there's risks and all that. But this is also a different scenario. This is a new it is a new technology. It's a new industry. We do want to compete against China and and beat them at this stuff. I mean, I don't agree with public like public funding going in there. I don't even agree that they should be expanding out into the farmlands. They should be building up into cities. I mean, the it the rollout is happening fast, but I just feel like Darren Grimes: Because of China. Graham Dunlop: We're gonna find out where the the extreme point is where they don't need to build anymore. And the market's gonna sort itself out. And we're gonna have to get through the this with no matter if there's data centers or not, we have to get through the globalist push to track us and to put in this this digital currency with the social crisis, which we almost have already in Canada. But we just need it, we need to to see them fail at that. The Eh-soteric Archives: Yeah. Graham Dunlop: And push back and and have some semblance of balance there. I just don't see how we're gonna stop this from happening anyways. I don't know, I don't know. What? Darren Grimes: But you're not pushing back. You're not pushing back. You're just like cheerleading. The Eh-soteric Archives: There's a cer the the Well, there's a certain level of manufactured outrage with it too, right? Like Yeah. Graham Dunlop: Well what what are you gonna? ⁓ yeah, that's what I mean. So here's an example. It's the forty thousand, it's forty thousand acres. Well, no, it's not. The the actual infrastructure is nine, ten thousand acres, but they're all using that. They're saying, ⁓ they're taking land away. They but just let me finish. Let me finish. They bought the Darren Grimes: Of course, of course we. But he bought forty thousand acres of height. It doesn't matter how much he's using, he still bought that much money of land that's not really supposed to be for sale. I couldn't buy that land. Graham Dunlop: What do you mean? They said they'd stole they people think they took the land and they took that they bought the land. So the companies bought the land off of people. I'm talking about the Utah one now. All the misinformation about that. So so how much of this is getting wound up from outside influences that ⁓ there's an NGO web that's putting hundred hundreds of millions of dollars going into this to push back against this. So we're just not we're not dealing with like organic. Darren Grimes: From whom? From the people or from the government? Graham Dunlop: Inform like accurate information. That's one of the things that bugs me too. Like, so I get pigeonholed in like, ⁓ I'm fully supporting. I'm not supporting the deception. Of course, we shouldn't allow corporations to walk all over us and do that. ⁓ they shouldn't lie about the water consumption. They should be using the modern closed loop water systems so that they don't have to to use so much water. They should bring their own energy. I mean, Trump even signed a bill that says BY, like, bring your own electrons, you know, build, buy. Or what's the other one? There's three B's in there for like bring your own power. So what that's good, that's a good thing. That I want abundant cheap power. And we've been constrained in Canada for so long. Finally, there's going to be an innovation that helps us develop really good and somewhat clean power generation for the people. So of course, I don't agree that this should increase anybody's power costs and all that stuff, but it's going to create some abundant excess power for once. And look at how the West is falling apart. This is what annoys me is everybody's ignoring the fact that the West is acting like in self-destruct mode. The UK, the EU, Canada, we're we're toast. And yet there's all this fucking outrage

about innovation in America. Like at least there's some manufacturing coming back. There's a whole bunch of good things happening in America that is nobody wants to talk about. Because they're so outraged over Trump and the tech bros. Instead of like looking at how The Eh-soteric Archives: Mm-hmm. Graham Dunlop: Canada's not gonna be Canada in about five years. And the UK's almost gone already. The EU's destro destroying itself. Finally, they've gone over there and woken them up from their self-induced slumber over there. And maybe they can save save the Europe, but I I don't think so. That's not all misinformation. I mean, we're seeing it happen in our own communities. It's not safe to walk in the streets. There's addicts and criminals walking freely around. We're getting like, you know, hate speech and all this other bullshit. The The medical system sucks, the the taxes suck, the corruption's bad. I mean like wha what's going good here? Darren Grimes: I'm sure I'm sure a couple thousand more data centers will help the hate speech. The Eh-soteric Archives: I don't know. I th I think the pendulum just always it's always swinging, right? Like it's gonna like we're you know Darren Grimes: You know what it kind of reminds me of? It's like warp speed two point ⁓ This time it's day this time it's data centers and AI. Last time it was vaccines. This time it's data centers and AI. It's flying through for some reason all of a sudden. The Eh-soteric Archives: Yeah. I mean it's not the only thing like that they're they're pushing through for land grabs and stuff, right? Like there's there's other ways for them to do that. That they're you know, there's the whole unrip thing right now out out west here. And I think like to Graham's point, maybe like yeah, like some of these data centers are LNGC power or LNG powered, right? So like that's that kind of bolsters that industry out here and is gonna ram through some of these these bills that allow, you know, infrastructure to actually be built and like industry in Canada to to move forward for the first time in like fifteen years, twenty years. So there are, I mean, I I can I can see certain positives on on that end of it. Darren Grimes: We ain't moving forward on data centers, man. We got fucking oil. That's what we move forward on is oil and L and G. My whole thing is like what if if it's just about data centers, I mean, not even just to the go to the cities and build them into high rises. I mean, wouldn't you want to build them in someplace maybe cold with abundant water instead of like Utah, which is a desert, Alberta, which is a desert. I mean, you were in Alberta. Old is like R yesterday it was thirty three degrees Celsius here in May. And they're Graham Dunlop: But also snowed in May, so Darren Grimes: Yeah, but it gets hot as shit here and there's no water. We're you know, there's just no water here. It seems like it might be flooding in one spot. So you wanna talk about misinformation. It's like that.

If you you can look at the news that says there's one part of the Bow River that's flooding. That you gotta remember that the Bull River is one of three rivers that runs through the entire south half of this province. So every Graham Dunlop: I thought it was flooding in Alberta right now. They're they said the rivers are at the record height and it's flooding and there's like they don't know what to do with all the water coming from the mountains. But it's a sign there's lots of water from the spring, right? So Darren Grimes: No, it's there's not a lot of water. The because of runoff from the mountains, because it all rub it all melts at once. There was a was a bit of extra snow in the mountains this year. Over the last 15 years, we've been brushing on ecological disaster for our drought levels. And then we started getting a bit of rain last year, and now it's died off again. It's we got like maybe a foot of snow this year, tops, if we're lucky. The water is down by Graham Dunlop: How is it flooding though? Yeah, that's what I that's what I mean. It's a year where there's lots of water. Yeah. Darren Grimes: All accounts. By all accounts. The duck ponds are low, the lakes are low, the reservoirs are low, everything's everything's down. What's good? Graham Dunlop: Well, so this is good. This is good. We can start figuring out how to create better desalination plants and increase water supply everywhere so we don't have to use water as an excuse. I mean, the the Middle East is desalinating all kinds of water. Why why are why are we not doing that if we have droughts, right? Why is California not doing that? They're like drought on purpose. Darren Grimes: I don't know. What's that got to do with anything? Why exactly? Why aren't they doing that? Why wouldn't they have done that? Why wouldn't they buy built the AI center next to someplace where they could just use salt water or desalinate water? Why do they gotta put this giant factory, this giant fucking center on the fucking river, sort of like in between us and them? It's like, you know, seems weird. Graham Dunlop: Yeah. Well they will they will be. I mean they pro they probably are. They probably are. Yeah, I get it. I I understand how weird it must seem, but it's just I think it's just a race right now to see who can who can make this, who can win this AI race. I mean, I was thinking about it the other day because I was arguing with this listener back and forth, and you know what, he like he wasn't listening to anything I was saying about it. There's no nuance for that. It's just bl like you're defending this and that and I'm like, whatever. You're not listening to what I'm saying. But the point was I was ⁓ thinking back like my whole job. The Eh-soteric Archives: Some of my Graham Dunlop: it uses the cloud. Like we use the cloud constantly. So that's we've been using the cloud for decades and it wasn't a problem till now. And now now Trump and the tech bros all of a sudden the big, big, big problems now. Darren Grimes: Is the c was the cloud like malfunctioning on you often or something? Does it s did it seem like a reason that the cloud needed to be ten X and size over next couple of years? Graham Dunlop: Yeah, 'cause everybody else is using it as well. We're kind of ahead of the game from most normal people, like the people that I deal with don't use the cloud as much as we do. So but more and more people and more and more society needs the the the data centers. The Eh-soteric Archives: I feel like there's a good chance that a lot of these don't end up getting built or come to fruition anyways. Like what was it like 40-50% of the projects in the US have been canceled already? So I like I think yeah, it probably is just a a race, you know? Like I I don't know. I'm I'm on the fence about it because like I I can have nuance where it's Graham Dunlop: Yeah. Yeah. Darren Grimes: We just gotta you just gotta trust the plan, bro. Just just trust the plan. We're we're still trusting the plan. Graham Dunlop: Yeah. The Eh-soteric Archives: Yeah, no, definitely not. But I yeah, no, there there's I don't know. I think on one hand it's like, yeah, we use technology for everything. I use AI in like my day job, you know, from time to time. I you know, try and use my brain so that I don't get replaced by AI, but at the same time, like There are applications for it. So I'd be s I'd be, you know, stupid and ignorant to s to say that there aren't. Like it's it it has helped make elements of my job better. But I agree with you, Darren. Like I I don't understand. The only thing I could that comes to mind with what with the 10xing of it is like, yeah, it's surveillance and likely finance. That's the only things that would make sense to me as far as like why. You know, and and and and when it comes to that, yeah, I'm not I'm not down with Darren Grimes: Well, and it's just eerily timed up timed up with this like reset that we all seem like we're on the precipice of. You know, it just seems like the the reset, whether it's the great reset or something else, it just seemed like the monetary world power, some sort of reset is coming. You know, that's something we can probably all agree on. And it's just like whatever's coming next seems to need a lot of compute. The Eh-soteric Archives: Yeah. Yeah. But it's the manufactured outrage that like throws people off the scent of all that a lot of the time, right? Like you y you s look over look over here, not over here. Darren Grimes: Yeah, the problem is we're into the world of it's like what's you know, it's hard with the they're so far down the the road of social engineering that it's like it's hard to know what's real on there. It's gonna be manufactured, manufactured outrage. So that it's like, you know, it's like I I got to the point where I just try not to engage with any of it at all. You know, an ex, despite being the best for a lot of reasons, is the wor one of the worst offenders for just like And you

know what, that might only be because a lot of my Facebook and Telegram and these other apps that I'm using are people that I actually have met maybe or I know in some way, but it's like, you know, I feel like at least fifty percent of the time if I start going back and forth with someone on on Twitter and it's not like one of these bigger accounts or something like that, there's a f it's a coin toss on whether it's it's even a real person. The Eh-soteric Archives: A hundred percent. Darren Grimes: I was even going through on like some of the comments on my stuff just just like the other day and I was like, that's just like a a weird thing to say to this. And I'm just like looking at his account and I'm like, I think this is some weird fucking bot that's just like it's auto searching to find keywords that say this and then it's got like a bunch of built in replies based on that. It's so I don't know, we're like so far into the world of deceptive deception online that it's hard to know. What ⁓ what is real and what's not anymore. It's getting it and it's like even I'm even to the point you guys are talking about lack of Canadian content creators. It's like I don't even know how much I can trust these guys anymore. Because it's like something go goes down and it's like I can go I'm not gonna name any names. You guys probably know them. You can kinda go through the list and it's like I can get seven different takes on this thing that just happened, and they're all gonna be pretty much identical with different sort of nuances and I don't know, they just sort of I don't know where I was going with that. Graham Dunlop: Well, I think you're just saying that it seems like they're captured by one party or another. Even even the little YouTubers on the right are sort of captured by Darren Grimes: And that's why they were allowed to get those followings. That's kind of why they've all got the followings they've got, because they've been sort of it's not it's not organic. Graham Dunlop: They're playing ball with the with the right, even though they're supporting Pierre, for example. Darren Grimes: Even if they don't know they're playing ball. You know, you might not even have to know you're playing ball. The Eh-soteric Archives: Mm-hmm. Well, yeah, and every everyone just play into the algorithm anyways, right? Like you said, like something happens and then within 30 minutes everyone's got an opinion on it. And it's just like be the first to talk about it and you get the views and the clicks for it, right? And like instead of actually like Graham Dunlop: Yeah. Darren Grimes: Can you imagine being like Rogan Beg or something right now? How b how about you're having your email inbox burned down from like fucking three hundred thousand people? You fucking retard people driving by your house. The Eh-soteric Archives: Yeah. Yeah. Well I'm I'm at the point where the the whole like everything's a psyop, like that is the psyop. Like you know, like they just just talk about everything and anything and you know, like I Graham Dunlop: Yeah. That's what I was getting at, where I'm less conspiratorial now in a way. Like I feel like we're we've switched sides, Darren and I a little bit. I'm getting less and he's getting more. What? Darren Grimes: That's how demoralization works. That's how demoralization works. That's like what crews were well down the path on Bezumov's laws. Yeah, well, you guys have heard the Yuri Bezumov stuff, right? Where he was talking about all the stuff the Soviets set up and what we could sort of expect to see over the next 30 or 40 years. The Eh-soteric Archives: Just giving up. Mm-hmm. Yeah, man. I mean, there's yeah. It's well even just the Darren Grimes: And you can see it 'cause it's not just in that stuff we're talking about. You can sort of just see it in all layers and all aspects of society where everyone's just sorta given up or put their head in the sand or just like, Yeah, yeah, it's it's going down, but you know, the cable's good, the memes are funny. The Eh-soteric Archives: Yeah. You see it in in everything. Even the whole like, you know, everyone got real spiritual there for a bit and now everyone again is like, ⁓ you know what? Fuck that. I'm I don't have time for this anymore. Let's just put on a show and and hang out. I which like, you know, there's there's a it's exhausting. Like I will admit it's like it's exhausting to always be worried about that shit. And at the end of the day you should kind of just worry about your family and and, you know, your circle around you 'cause that's how you build a community that actually lasts, right? This is this shit isn't real in a sense. But I yeah, but yeah, there definitely is the sort of like put your head in the sand kind of vibe going on right now. So I don't know man. I don't I don't know where where all of this goes. Darren Grimes: Well to be fair, that's mostly where I am. I mean, I bitch about the AI centers on the show, but I'm not like out picketing or anything. I don't really give a fuck. Whatever's gonna whatever's gonna happen is gonna happen. I just don't agree with all the stuff that's happened. I'm gonna kick up a fuss over some stuff. But I mean, my thing at the end of the end of the day is it just always seems to end up where I fucking am hunting and fishing. And you would think like a data center to serve a city. The Eh-soteric Archives: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Darren Grimes: Would have been what and you'd think the power too. You'd think power and data centers would be just some of the things that don't end up on our ⁓ where we hunt and fish and just enjoy. I mean, it's not even just the like, you know, these roads I used to drive down that were just like picturesque fucking prairie with the mountains in the background. I mean, it's hard to fucking find that now because these windmills are everywhere, just sort of they ruin it. They ruin Everything. And now it's just gonna be huge Costco ten X warehouses

all over the place. Like you could just I can already see this sorta if I I I can play it out like thirty years in the future and there's just like they're fucking all over the place. And if you go near ⁓ some drone zaps, yeah. The Eh-soteric Archives: Yeah, you would think that they would put the infrastructure closer to cities where it's already there. Probably not as easy for them to launder money that way because I think there is going to be a lot of that going on, like failed projects and the like. As as you guys mentioned. Yeah. Yeah. Darren Grimes: ⁓ yeah, this is a giant cash grab. I mean, no matter what's going on, whether it's good or bad or indifferent, it's a giant cash grab for a bunch of people. Some people are making tons of money. The Eh-soteric Archives: And I I think it's giving everyone a scapegoat for the most part, right? Like I know people are kind of some people are on Graham's side on this, not and it it also splits us again because everything splits everyone, right? Like it's another issue that there's a black and white, yes, or or it's made to be out of black a black and white issue, but it's not a black and white issue. There is nuance. Yeah. Not a Luddite here, but I'm not yeah, not a fan. ⁓ not a fan, don't I don't use a lot of of technology, which Andrew knows. Yeah. Graham Dunlop: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Darren Grimes: There's just some things that don't seem organic. The Eh-soteric Archives: It it Graham Dunlop: Yeah, you know what doesn't seem organic? All of a sudden the conspiracy crowd and everybody on the left and most of the people on the woke right are just screaming about surveillance centers all of a sudden. It's like boom, all of a sudden now. Darren Grimes: I've been so to be fair, I've been screaming about surveillance for a decade. Well that well yeah, that's the next that's the next fucking logical step in the surveillance system. You remember ⁓ you remember like 10 years ago, they had to build that giant data center at that time. I mean, now they're breaking the records, but at that time it was the biggest data center we ever made. City in the Utah Desert. Graham Dunlop: Surveillance centers. No they're not even calling them data centers anymore, right? It's surveillance centers. So that's not organic. That's not organic, dude. In c in Canada or Darren Grimes: I mean they made it this was back before we were really talking about data centers, but this was ⁓ a decade ago. Right? Maybe it was 15 years ago. No, one they had to put underground in Utah. They put it underground, I think, to help cool it. And remember what that data center was for, right? That's the NSA data center, Bumble Hot. Graham Dunlop: Amazon warehouse or Amazon? The Eh-soteric Archives: Is that the Mormon one? ⁓ that's okay. Huh. The Mormons are the archive masters. Darren Grimes: Uses one point seven million gallons of water a day and sixty-five megawatts of power. But I don't even care about all that stuff. That one they made there was

enough for the NSA to store everything you do on the on online. Allegedly. Now we don't know that that's totally true, but that's what we've been saying for a long time is that NSA's data center that they made in Utah, that's what Snowden said, was to track. Everything you do on your phone, every call, every keystroke. It doesn't matter if the app's encrypted because they're getting the keystrokes before it even goes into the app and all that stuff. So it's just like if they can do all that for ever for three hundred and fifty million Americans on one data center in Utah. And maybe that's misinformation. I don't know for sure, but I you know, it's been sort of going around in our w in our corner of the world, corner of the internet for a for a long time. What i what can they do with a hundred of them? Graham Dunlop: Capture video instead of just words. So Darren Grimes: Exactly. That's that's fucking that's almost the exact compression that you think of is that's like, okay, these words aren't enough. We need to have their fucking phone. You know what it makes me think of? Have you ever seen ⁓ Batman? The one with Christian Bale? Batman begins and probably the best one. I tried I tried to get my wife to rewatch it. We got through the first one and she she won't watch the second one. The Eh-soteric Archives: Yeah. Dark night. Yeah. Darren Grimes: And it is there's like a corniness to it, but of all the Batmans, I think it was the best one. That's the one that the Heath Ledger is the Joker and But ⁓ you remember in the in the la no, this shouldn't be a spoiler, I don't think it's like twenty years old, but remember in the last movie? He like gets Morgan Freeman, they go in and they turn on that they're look I can't remember what they're looking for. They're looking for something. The Eh-soteric Archives: Yeah. ⁓ yeah, yeah. It's like Darren Grimes: And they go into Wayne Enterprises and they've developed this thing and they can they they're able to turn it on and it like uses the the phones and the Wi-Fi's and ⁓ I think it's maybe even just the phones, but it's able to use the devices then to not even just use the camera to like project a 3D image of the entire room all those devices are in and if there's any people in them and that's sort of what it makes me all s think of. That's like seems to be the The end goal when you look at the weird patents for Wi-Fi and the how they seem to coincide with these LED patents that the two of them together they can like you through your router get a map of your house. You know, that seems crazy, but you can find studies online that between those two technologies they can do that. And it just seems to be, you know, we'll get it. I'm not gonna say we're not gonna get a bunch of great shit out of the data centers. You know what I mean? We got great stuff out of the The Eh-soteric Archives: Where? Darren Grimes: I use Starlink all the time. I'm sure that's surveillance at some point. You know, that eventually those fucking things are gonna track everything I do once they're up there. And and it might not even happen in my lifetime. It'll just be this slow sort of normalization, or it'll happen fast, but like COVID. Remember COVID in the beginning? We were like, ⁓ yeah, this is just the bluff call. This is the this is the the test. This is the and then it's like I think we were six or eight months into it almost before it was like they're just going for it. They're just they're actually they're actually going for it. Because we were like, you could look at the stats and already see, you know, it's not gonna be that big a deal. So we were I mean, we we had events that were happening in like two months that we didn't even cancel because we were like plus we were listening to a lot of no agenda and they were sort of saying the same thing, ⁓ it's gonna blow over, it's a nothing burger. The Eh-soteric Archives: Yeah. Yeah. Darren Grimes: And then maybe it was less, maybe it was like three months or four months into it where it was just like, Okay, they're just fucking they're just plowing ahead and they're just like gonna push all this stuff right through right now, regardless of whether it's real or obviously retarded or or not. Graham Dunlop: Yeah, but there wasn't a mainstream pushback. This is the this is what I'm talking about. Is this feels like it's the deep state versus Trump and the tech. No, not mainstream, though. This is mainstream. Darren Grimes: Well, there was in the beginning. Yeah, sure there was. When it was Trump's vaccine, no one was gonna touch it. Remember? No one was touching Trump's vaccine. They were out the mainstream media was complaining about what pro ⁓ warp speed. Graham Dunlop: Yeah, but I'm not talking about I'm not talking about just the vaccine. The Eh-soteric Archives: I think everyone was like like n you know, like the last big kind of assault on on people's rights and and whatever travel rights and stuff was like nine eleven. So it had been long enough that people had kinda like let their guard down. So I 'cause I remember I like when COVID the the whole thing kinda came out. Like I my band played a show, there was a band that had just been on tour in the States and they came up through the border. And they were like, hey, like there's this, you know, and this was like two, three weeks before everything kind of shut down. And they came up and they're like, hey, yeah, like the the border, like that was the weirdest border crossing we've ever had. Like there's this the COVID thing going on down there. And I was like, this nothing's gonna happen, man. It's just whatever. You know, I remember the bird flu bullshit and whatever. And and he's like, No, man, this is different. Like something's happening. There's they're they're tightening everything up and Graham Dunlop: Yeah, yeah. The Eh-soteric Archives: Sure shit, like two weeks later it was shut down, work from home, all all of our like next sh series that we had a bunch

of shows booked, they were canceled, everything was just done. And Darren Grimes: Yeah, now we can say never again and it'll be never again, probably for like our generation. But it's like all the kids that there was a there's still this weird normalization to the kids. So now when when they just do it again, when we're all old fogies that we're in the old folks' home and they just lock us the fuck in there and we can't cause ruckus. And the kids are just like, ⁓ it's another lockdown. This is just a thing that happens. And then, you know, you can just keep sort of playing that out. The Eh-soteric Archives: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Graham Dunlop: Well you know what the s since you guys are called eh-soteric as well, the deeper conspiracy about the data centers is like the dark skies. The dark skies Darren Grimes: Any minutes? I've seen one where they're if to summon demons. Graham Dunlop: Well well, they're gonna track our conscious our unique consciousness signature, right? Or whatever we have as like a biofield signature. There's there's something besides our you know, fingerprints and all that that's unique to all of us. So they're gonna be tracking that so they can tell where we are, like I guess through the ether. Yeah, bioresonance or something. What's that, Darren? Darren Grimes: Okay. They're getting the data from the shots now. How about that one? How about they're just it's like the all the shots are coming online. So they're getting all this data. The Eh-soteric Archives: Well yeah, no, they're the like we we've d we did an episode that was talking about like Bluebeam and what like the whole Blue Beam thing might actually be. Darren Grimes: I said that like a couple of weeks ago. I was like, these are the hollow these are the projectors. That's why they need that's why they need in all these spots because they're projectors for blue beam The Eh-soteric Archives: Yeah. Yeah. Disclosure's coming out, what, in June, right? The movie? Yeah. It'll all be timed personally. Yeah. But so and even on like the the demon part of it, like the so there's D Wave Quantum Computing is a Canadian company, right? Like they're they're based in Vancouver and Jordy Rose, the guy that started that up, if you there's like a Graham Dunlop: Yeah, pretty soon. Yeah. Pretty soon. The Eh-soteric Archives: ⁓ seminar he's giving back in like I think it was like twenty thirteen or twenty fourteen where he talks about like their theory with quantum computing and what they're basically trying to do is like open portals for the Lovecraftian like demons to come in. He's like we're basically like yeah we're summoning demons. We're trying to like open these portals. And that was 12 years ago. Yeah. And in order to do that, you know, you'd need a lot of computing power to to open the big one. And Darren Grimes: I wonder what those guys would be like thinking about today, what they'd be up to. Like the Hubbards and the what were those other dudes, that whole little weird cult? You know, the dudes Grand, the Rocket the Rocket Boys, Parsons. Graham Dunlop: Interesting. The Eh-soteric Archives: Yeah, yeah. Jack Parsons, yeah, the jet propulsion labs, JPL. Yeah, they'd probably be pretty happy with what's going on. I think. You, what do you think? ⁓ yeah, I think Graham Dunlop: Jack Parsons and Darren Grimes: I remember when the most like craziest thing on the podcast was we were gonna put a balloon up to see if the earth was flat. I mean, those were the good old days, really, when the conspiracies were fun. And not coming true. And not coming true at like an alarming rate. That's the other problem with the data centers. It's just like the conspiracy rate hit is so is so fucking high right now, it's hard to not just automatically go to that side. It's hard to just not add a The Eh-soteric Archives: Yeah. Right. Yeah, we do. Yeah. Yeah. Darren Grimes: Go to the conspiratorial side when it's batting like seven fifty. And it's like there used to be a longer timeline. Like even I mean, yeah, some guys like McGowan and stuff that are freaking about 911 the next day. But for the most part, that one's like there's a few year roll out before the conspiracies really start kicking out. And then and then a few it takes a few years that before they're true. You know, there's like this this timeline. The Eh-soteric Archives: Mm-hmm. Darren Grimes: There's this you see it in memes all the time, but there's a there's a timeline from conspiracy to truth that you know, that all of us sitting here could probably think of a dozen examples of from when it was a conspiracy to when it was just some shit that happens that that nobody seems to really p none of the normies seem to pick up on. Some of them do, but most of ⁓ don't. And that that that like would that be an overton window? Is that the Graham Dunlop: Yeah. Darren Grimes: It it's been like whatever. The the the gap between conspiracy to accepted reality seems to be closing. Like it went from years to maybe a year or under, maybe six months. Graham Dunlop: Six months. Yeah. Six six months was the meme. The Eh-soteric Archives: It definitely seems like everything's quicker and that yeah, that's for sure another thing. Like Jay a lot of them a lot of the conspiracy theories weren't proven true till the you know, the CIA or the government would someone would release a file twenty five years later or thirty years later, and now yeah, it seems a month or two with some of them. Some of them's just a day or two, right? Like it's it's Well, yeah, that's like I mean the Yeah, it gets memory hold and then yeah. Darren Grimes: And then nobody cares like two days later. I mean the the news and the attention cycle is at such a rate that the the corrupt people must be like they're in their heyday right now. Like can you imagine when it was like back in the day, you do some Watergate shit and there's like a dozen books written on it and a couple of like mini series and it's all the fucking there is to talk

about for two months. And nowadays it's like you do some corrupt shit, the auto pen. Or whatever, and it's like, ⁓ yeah, fuck, that's yesterday's news, buddy. Who cares? Whatever happened with that, who cares? The Eh-soteric Archives: Yeah. Yeah. Look Epstein files. Well exactly right. Like Yeah. Yeah. Darren Grimes: Epstein files, yeah. We got aliens instead. Did you guys see the the new alien.gov thing Trump did that goes to illegal aliens? The Eh-soteric Archives: No, I didn't see that. Darren Grimes: Is it pretty you've seen it, right, Grand? Did I send it to you? The Eh-soteric Archives: Yeah, I don't know. I mean they Darren Grimes: It's like a big alien it it acts like it's more disclosure stuff, but when you go to it it's just like a illegal alien ticker. Graham Dunlop: There's still some people that are saying that the aliens are disguised as like there was a I think it was in one of those movies where the aliens were like sneak the real aliens were sneaking across the border as illegals. They were disguising themselves as illegal aliens. So and I think Jason Giorgiani is saying it's like about the Nordics or something and Darren Grimes: Mexicans. Ha they can travel across the They can travel across the time and space, but they can't get into the country. The Eh-soteric Archives: Awesome. Graham Dunlop: But they're gonna Yeah. The Eh-soteric Archives: Can't get over the wall. I saw a guy talking about even like the blue beam stuff. He's like, everyone's like thinking it's gonna be projections in the sky. He's like, it's gonna be way lamer than that. It's just gonna be like actual like Simpsons type shit. Like dude just pulls his mask off on the news and he's nailed like And that's it. That's it. It's you know, like they're not even gonna bother to to make it good. Graham Dunlop: Well you know what? Darren Grimes: I think though if they do it they'll they'll fucking torture City. Graham Dunlop: That's what I was gonna say. Somebody was on our show and I can't find I can't figure out who it was who was saying this, but they're like they're like Bluebeam is gonna be like they're gonna torture City and blame it on the aliens. Like it won't be a bunch of what? Darren Grimes: Or multiple cities. Or multiple cities. Yeah, we're so we're so jaded. We're so jaded that they they just really get a hammer at home at this point. You know we're it'd be it's pretty hard to sell the American public on it. The Eh-soteric Archives: Like direct energy weapon stuff. Graham Dunlop: Yeah, and then just like we were attacked by the aliens. Yeah. The Eh-soteric Archives: Yeah. Well yeah, I mean, Hontavirus died off in what that was like four days. Graham Dunlop: Right. Darren Grimes: ⁓ yeah, but you saw how quick them words started popping up and you see how quick all those words started coming back into the thing. Like it's just normal to outbreak, lockdown, contact tracing. It's just they're also just normal words in the lexicon now. Stuff they're teaching in

medical school now. The Eh-soteric Archives: Yeah. Graham Dunlop: Who's the guy that makes the decision that that didn't go over? Like somebody had to say, like, okay, back off the hunt to put a bowl in now. It's like, Okay, a bowl, it's your turn. The Eh-soteric Archives: They just used it for like product placement at this point. There was that dude that was like isolated away, like ordering dominoes and Starbucks to his room and just like holding it up to the camera. It's like, ⁓ we'll just use it for a quick commercial. Darren Grimes: And then how much of it is just like like ⁓ more honest bullshit of just like dudes trying to sell newspapers. Get clicks, you know, ooh, there's a hontivirus thing. So it's like, did they even like put out a hauntivirus op or did just some dudes get hantavirus from some mo shit and then like some news cycle people get a hold of it and they notice they're getting a lot of clicks, so then more news cycle people fucking get a hold of it. And I mean that's this is sort of what I'm talking about where it's like the information and everything moves at such a level and regular dudes like us have the ability to to make shorts and clips and stuff like that almost instantly and they can use AI for some of it. It's like, dude, sometimes I gotta watch stuff for a couple minutes now to figure out is like, is this really ⁓ I mean I mentioned earlier I was watching a Tony Robbins video earlier and when it started I almost shut it off because I was like, this is fucking AI Tony Robbins. This isn't the you know, I was like, I give it a few minutes and I'm like, ⁓ no, this is real Tony Robbins. So it's like, you know, we're at then because I'm at the point where I won't fucking watch if I get if I'm watching something on YouTube and I figure out that it's I don't care if they're using AI for little graphic bits as long as there's not too much of it. But if it's the voice, I just I can't do it because I even if I think I can, I can only get so far into it before I have to abandon it. And then it's like I need this out of my fucking algo now completely. And I don't know what happened to YouTube. It went from being my favorite app algo to being my least favorite. It used to be my number one go-to. It's like on my phone it know and it knew the difference between what to put in front of me on my phone. And what to put in front of me on my TV. It like the algo knew that I was watching two different types of content in those two situations, but now it's just gone to shit and it's over 50% AI slop. You know, it's funny how quick you get an adversion to it. I mean, we even do ads and stuff where we use some AI stuff. And now even after making ads a couple weeks later, I can look at the ad that's got some AI stuff in it compared to the one that doesn't. The Eh-soteric Archives: Yeah. Well so that's Darren Grimes: I mean, and both of them are using AI, right? I'm still using these these editors and all this sort of transitions and stuff that are pre-built. I guess maybe software, but kind of a version of AI. Well, like you couldn't do it easily a few years ago. anyway, but even I'd notice the ads that have some AI stuff in ⁓ you just they resonate less. They they tick a little less with me anyway. There's The Eh-soteric Archives: No, I don't I don't think so either. That's why like everyone's concerned about it taking over music and stuff. And I just like it's it's it's just novelty at this point. Like I don't you can tell the difference between a r a real band and some Suno shit. Darren Grimes: I don't think you could do a whole AI movie. I really don't. Well, it's taking over some stuff though to that extent. Like I would not want to be a website designer right now. I would but or or at the same time you're just a website designer that now just like 20x is your clientele and drops your prices down by 10x. So you just make up for the price drop and volume because you can do them so quickly with AI. But there's some stuff like I mean, can you imagine being a graphic designer? Can you imagine if you went to school for a few years for graphic design and now it's just like The Eh-soteric Archives: No. Darren Grimes: $20 GPT can do or at least close enough to a job that regular of Joe's like Graham and I can sort of take it the rest of the way. You know, there's little sort of things like that. But when I hear people tell me that the AI is going to come to my house and send a robot to my house to fix the plumbing and that kind of stuff in my lifetime, I'm like, I don't know, man. I don't know. I just can't, I can't see it. Having spent a lifetime in construction, it's like, dude, most people can't do this shit. Most you know, I don't see how the robot's gonna figure out, you know. It's like even myself, when I look I'll watch a video on how to do something on my truck and I'm like, all right, I got this figured out. This is a fucking 20 minute job. I'll be like, done, and I'll be back in time to catch the interview. And it's like, you know, three days later because of a couple of rusted bolts and I had to cut one and then I had to like cut a slot into one so you get a screwdriver on it. The Eh-soteric Archives: It's ⁓ with a lot of stuff. Darren Grimes: I think that kind of stuff's probably a l a little farther off. The Eh-soteric Archives: I mean I honestly think it comes e w even when they say it's gonna replace like white collar stuff, I don't I mean my you know, I I'm in industrial sales and like oil in oil and gas and and all that and like they've tried to impl implement it for like sales procedures and just like You know, it and l sending data sheets to people, comparisons and stuff, and it's all bullshit. Like I still get the guy calling me like, Hey man, can you just walk me through this? Cause this this AI stuff is is nonsense. Just like I just want to talk to a person that understands the the subject, you know? Darren Grimes: I think I think I I feel like where the hit is

is it's gonna be it's not gonna just like replace an industry. It's not gonna be like, Okay, now we don't need any more of these dudes anymore. It's gonna be now instead of ten of these dudes, we just need three of these dudes that know how to use their AIs effectively. Because it'll just make dudes like you more effective at your job of eventually to the point where a couple of your coworkers that aren't fucking paying attention. Don't work there anymore. The Eh-soteric Archives: ⁓ for sure. Yeah, no, I I definitely see that. It's like it's it's a good ⁓ it's a good time to actually know what the fuck you're talking about, 'cause the people that don't, it's yeah, makes it real obvious now. So Darren Grimes: Yeah, and use it where like I I would say that you shouldn't avoid use of it in your day job. If it can make you better at your day job, use it because the the danger is less that you're gonna get replaced by that AI. It's more that you're gonna get replaced by an a ⁓ co worker that knows how to use that AI. And now he can do your job and his for You know, ten percent more money instead of two salaries. The Eh-soteric Archives: Yep. Yep. Yeah, totally. Yeah. Darren Grimes: I mean, it seems like either way it's gotta get weird. Because even in the bet even in Graham's best case scenario, like everybody loses their job. Or at least there's a transition period where they lose their job to figure out how to find some new AI future. I mean, there's gotta be at least a little bit of you gotta take a little bit of laugh that they were telling people to learn to code just like what, like four years ago? The Eh-soteric Archives: ⁓ yeah, I mean it, yeah. Yeah. Darren Grimes: Five, six years ago, learned to code, and that turned out to be the hardest hit fucking thing. The Eh-soteric Archives: Yeah. Graham Dunlop: Yeah. The Eh-soteric Archives: Mm-hmm. Yeah. There was a time when I had signed up I actually for a coding like boot camp because I was like, okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna learn this and I lasted like two days and I was like, Okay, fuck this. This is I don't think I'm smart enough for this and then thank God. Thank God I'm too dumb for that. Yeah. I do I I think there'll be some jobs that just can't replace similar to what you said, yeah. Any construction job. Like I saw the I don't know if you guys saw the video of the the AI doing twenty-four hours of package sorting and deciding what package went there. It was like an AI robot. Yeah. Graham Dunlop: Yeah, yeah. The Eh-soteric Archives: It did okay. Okay. I think there was spraying stuff on it and then it all it kind of went weird. And I think there was a McDonald's or fast food restaurant in the States that tried doing it for a day or two and it kept messing up orders. There's a few like 'cause it just couldn't grasp how weird some people are with how they order food. But they put it I come from restaurants, so that's the package sorting, they put it up against like a kid who was like just whatever this guy in his twenties that was doing it. And the guy the dude was actually outpacing the robot. The only reason the robot took over was because the kid had to go take a shit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Darren Grimes: Sure, for a while. But around like hour thirteen, that kid's gonna slow down. The Eh-soteric Archives: Yeah, yeah. That's what I mean. Yeah, he had to go go to the bathroom and then he just fell behind and couldn't catch back up. Yeah, that's true too. Robot yeah, we're twenty four hours straight, I think. Four hundred some four hundred some odd thousand packages it touched. Yeah. Yeah. That is the future, the dystopian Darren Grimes: And you have to keep paying that kid. The Eh-soteric Archives: Well, hopefully it's a nice mix. There's a lot of people that would be totally fine with just staying home and playing video games all day though, right? Like there's a lot of people that don't want those jobs and would would rather like you know, I'm not the whole Darren Grimes: Totally. As long as it just doesn't come with eating the fucking gruel slop that came out of the vat that comes out of the wall three times a day. You know. The Eh-soteric Archives: Yeah. Well, it might it might for them. I don't know. That's what I I don't you know. I I d I don't think anything is gonna be like all encompassing. I think it's you're gonna have a choice. It's like you wanna live in this fifteen minute city and wear a dog collar and be tracked all day, then sure, that's your your choice. But if you wanna be a productive person, you you still can. The world's not gonna stop needing productive human beings, you know. Darren Grimes: ⁓ Graham Dunlop: Yeah, that's that's hopefully the way it is. Universal high basic income in c inc you know, according to Elon. Darren Grimes: There'll just be a bunch of people on basic. The Eh-soteric Archives: Yeah, I I think it'll be that, unfortunately. Yeah. Darren Grimes: ⁓ it won't be high. I don't think it can be high. I don't think they're ready to give everyone abundance. It's j it's you gotta be like just enough. The Eh-soteric Archives: It's well it's gotta be comfortable enough. I think well the COVID I think the COVID stuff was a test for that too, right? Trying to see. Darren Grimes: It can't be enough to encourage it can't be enough to encourage you to procreate. The Eh-soteric Archives: Right. Yeah. Enough to pay pay rent, buy groceries, buy whatever drugs or yeah. Well that was that was the thing too. I had I knew a lot of people that were on those SERB payments and I I fucking was busier than ever. I was working that whole time, you know. And ⁓ I was working from home anyway. I yeah. Yeah. Darren Grimes: There is no traffic though. I rem I still had to drive from site to site around the city and I remember there was just nobody on the roads. Gas was 79 cents. Might even went down to 74 cents. I don't think it got into the sixties, but it was definitely into the seventies. And you could go by a cop doing

like fifty over the speed limit and he wasn't allowed to pull you over. The Eh-soteric Archives: Yeah. I had just moved to Vancouver. But well like six months prior when all that went down. And I was like, I don't know, Graham, you know commercial drive in in Vancouver, how busy that that spot is. And it was just dead. It was just like bombs fighting in the middle of the street 'cause they had no idea what was going on. So that's just like free reign of the city. It was it was strange. Yeah. ⁓ Graham Dunlop: Yeah, weird. Darren Grimes: And they didn't nobody die. I mean, what do you guys think about all that? What was going on there? I mean there seems to be a ton of evidence that excess death is up, but The Eh-soteric Archives: I mean I Yeah. When when you say but what Darren Grimes: Doesn't seem to be the doesn't seem to be like the total depopulation thing we thought it was gonna be. The Eh-soteric Archives: No. I think a lot of it was disguised, not disguised, but in different ways, right? Like drug related deaths, like fentanyl deaths in Vancouver Island. And I'm I think all over BC skyrocketed at the same time. There was a lot of VAC stuff before and after. Well, and I think too like a lot of people who a lot of people who've gotten really sick and but I also know some people who you know what I mean. Is it because I've heard of it and it's in my head and the way I think? I I I don't know, but Darren Grimes: Well, that's just we yeah, you know how it is nowadays. As soon as you hear someone died of cancer or this or that, it's like were they jabbed? The Eh-soteric Archives: Yeah. But I mean I knew a lot of people that ended up with heart issues and stuff like that. And that's, you know, I'm I'm in my late thirties and so like you don't I didn't know a lot of young people that had heart issues prior to that, so there's gotta be some correlation. And I remember like so I I when the shots came out and I started like looking into it, there was a ⁓ Texas like Senate floor hearing that was regarding like mRNA technology back in like 2014. And that was one of the things they were talking about was actually like, you know, this can have negative effects on cardiovascular stuff and whatever. And so that's the video I was sending to people because everyone was calling me crazy and my, you know, family and friends that I was like, don't take this shit. Like stay away and they're like, ⁓ you're just, you know, you listen to st stupid podcasts and whatever and I was No, like this is okay, here's a bunch of doctors on in a government room, all these people that you apparently trust, you know, like talking about it. And still it just I had people being like, ⁓ dude, it's free. I'm like, well of course it's f free. Like what are you fuck are you talking about, man? And like But I want a beer at the pub. Well that was a lot of it. Yeah. Well I want to go to concerts. I wanna Yeah. Graham Dunlop: Travel, yeah. The Eh-soteric Archives: Yeah, it's I've I've always been anti but even before that I was I was an anti vaxxer. It could be just before COVID as well. And so when I said stuff to people, that's obviously they they were like, ⁓ it's that crazy guy who doesn't think we should be getting a flu shot or any of that 'cause I would tell people and so it yeah. Lost a lot of friends over it, lost a job over it. Yeah. It was a pretty crappy time out here. And it was too bad because Vancouver Island's a it changed this place. It was a very friendly, friendly place where everyone looked everyone in the eye. Graham Dunlop: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Eh-soteric Archives: And if you went out, you could make conversation with anyone almost anywhere. You wouldn't necessarily get to know them personally, but they were very open to talking to you about stuff. And that that's gone now. And no one looks each other in the eye. A lot of head-down stuff like in Toronto. Like people not look it's it's changed this place. Graham Dunlop: Yeah. ⁓ I tore Yeah. It's ⁓ I bet you that's one of the places it changed the most. Like BC I feel like is is a place that would change a lot from that. The Eh-soteric Archives: Well it blew my mind too because there's such that like, you know, crunchy kind of vibe out here that I was like, okay, these health conscious people are not are they're gonna be against this, right? Like they're not all everything's natural, organic, whatever. And they're the they just fucking full steam went for it. Graham Dunlop: Yeah, the hippie ⁓ yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Like yeah, exactly. The cr the yoga so every it split all these little new age y communities, the health communities up. I was shocked at that too. I'm like, what, the yoga? The the local yoga studios falling for this? What? Like The Eh-soteric Archives: Well and I so I played in punk bands and like all these punks and like you know like apparently like you know like fuck the man, you know, and then all they're lining up for it and calling me a an idiot and I was like, What are you like it's just yeah, it was really strange. It kinda I mean it was a it was a ⁓ good litmus test, I guess, to see who was full of shit. ⁓ there's that. I I don't know. I've had one. Graham Dunlop: Arn Punk. Have they come around at all since then or that's it? ⁓ my The Eh-soteric Archives: Of all my musician friends, one that came to me and was like, You were right about everything. I'm sorry. You know, like and I even like give him a pass because his parents are doctors. So I was like, you know, you grow up in that, right? So yeah, but ⁓ no, a lot of them are still it's just cognitive dissonance now and memory hold, and no one is even if you bring it up now. Yeah. Graham Dunlop: Yeah, that's that's gonna be harder to crack in. Darren Grimes: Or at most just not talking about it, you know, not not talking about it. Because I I always say and I got pushed back the other day on Twitter for saying but I was like, Man, nine out of ten of these people

are just gonna do the same thing when the T V tells them to again. And they like, No way, push back will be way higher and I was like, I don't know, maybe maybe a couple percent, but you know, is if it's if it's the exact same scenario again, sure. But if they just find a way to turn a couple dials, you know, there I think it'll be more people that are willing to make you show papers again than you think. It gives them a weird sort of sense of power. The Eh-soteric Archives: Yeah. There was a mix of people too I knew that didn't get it, but then still played along, like got fake papers and stuff, right? And and they're like, Well, you know, I didn't get it. I'm like, You still played into it though, like Darren Grimes: I paid a crackhead to get shots and pretend to be me. The Eh-soteric Archives: That's awesome. Huh. Darren Grimes: So I could get on an airplane. Cost me five hundred dollars. Is that illegal? Should I not say that? Graham Dunlop: Yeah, you should not probably probably not say that. But yeah, I I I was ⁓ sort of we were having that argument back for it too. I'm like, you don't play into it. Like that's kinda where my stance was too. Like if you you if you fake it then you're taking yourself out of the fight in a way is the way I looked at it. The Eh-soteric Archives: It's been it hasn't been seven years yet. Yeah. Darren Grimes: I still agree with it. I agree with that sentiment. But I was fucking sick of driving to the States. This is after like 'cause we were doing events and I'm just driving all the time 'cause I couldn't get on an airplane, but I could still drive, you can still figure out ways to drive over. And finally I was just like, Man, I'm sick of it. I'm I'm getting fake jabs. The Eh-soteric Archives: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Graham Dunlop: We had to know what border crossing was easier to get through and ⁓ it was such a pain. Man, that probably ruined my that's why I don't even want to travel anymore. It's just like the experience after COVID is like, whoa. Darren Grimes: ⁓ you're already not loving it then. Weird dude to have a travel company. I guess you kinda just got drugged into it, kicking and screaming. Graham Dunlop: You think? Maybe. The Eh-soteric Archives: Yeah. Right. Yeah. I yeah, no, it was it was definitely did you guys ho host any of events of like the the contact at the cab and stuff during that time or was that? Darren Grimes: All the first ones, yeah. That's those we like started the company during COVID. Had people get COVID at our events. Yeah. Like Graham Dunlop: We had twenty three people got sick at one of our events, yeah. Darren Grimes: Not at the event, but they got covet in the fallout. Graham Dunlop: Crazy. Yeah. Some of us got sick. Darren Grimes: Including Randall Carlson. I mean, we all we almost killed Randall. He's pretty sick too. I remember being like, God damn, this fucking guy better pull through. The Eh-soteric Archives: Do you think people were just manifesting it though? Yeah, he's a big man. Darren Grimes: Randall's a big dude too, right? Randall's not a little dude. So just like COVID was like harmless except for like one little one little there was like one group. Yeah, and Randall has a bunch of the comorbidities. So you're just like, fuck. But he pushed through it. And we all got it from a vaxxed dude. Graham Dunlop: Comorbidity ⁓ up there. The Eh-soteric Archives: Mm. Yeah. ⁓ yeah, I mean that's if that's what I mean is like I I actually don't I don't know. I I've had so many people again like yell at me because I just said COVID wasn't real at all. Like I don't you got a cold. Shut up. Like, you know, like people get sick. It's I don't I don't even Darren Grimes: Did lose my t sense of smell though and taste for a couple of days. And actually the coffee taste took it felt like the coffee taste took months to come back. The Eh-soteric Archives: I don't know. I'm gonna stand by my COVID isn't real stance. Darren Grimes: Well it could still just be a fucking flu, you know, it's just a flu that does ⁓ I mean Graham's Graham's goals up and down he got bioweapons. Graham got bioweapons. The Eh-soteric Archives: Flu numbers did disappear, right? Graham Dunlop: Yeah. I I think it's a synthetic yeah, I think it's a synthetic bioweapon. I mean, it felt synthetic to me. I I got fucked up pretty good from it. It wasn't just a normal flu for me. I was like, Holy fuck, this is weird. The Eh-soteric Archives: I I got stuck. Darren Grimes: We sent Kyle to his house 'cause his his family was calling my house worried about him 'cause they couldn't get a hold of him. So w we broke quarantine to w Kyle walked over to Graham's house and banged on his door to make sure he was still there. I think you're just sleeping. Graham Dunlop: ⁓ did The Eh-soteric Archives: I I got it just before it became big and I agree with you. It was it felt very synthetic. Like I'm not someone who gets sick very often. And when I do, I'm very aware of kind of how it feels. And it lasted longer than normal and just yeah, synthetic is how I would have described it then. And yeah, that's a something was off about it. But that's the flu did disappear. Graham Dunlop: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Darren Grimes: Lot of a lot of sleeping too. I slept a lot. The Eh-soteric Archives: That was like during the big five G rollout and stuff too though, right? Like there's something to that where like ⁓ was that the electric rainbow or something? Invisible rainbow, yeah, yeah. And the Nexrad's weather stations are being built. Darren Grimes: Graham's shaking his head. ⁓ I think. ⁓ 5G. 5G. 5G maybe not so great. Data center, A-O-K. Where's the line, buddy? Great after the great after tower. Graham Dunlop: Invisible invisible rainbow, maybe? Yeah. The Eh-soteric Archives: Yeah. But yeah, I don't know. I ⁓ my thought was it could be something like that. Cause they they started that was when they started spraying a lot too. Like the chemtrails and stuff were really heavy. And I I notice now even

if I go outside, like I go to the beach on a day and they're out spraying, like Darren Grimes: But then what was the vax for it? To like help you deal with the 5G or because we didn't get it and we seem to be dealing with it fine, or was it ⁓ were we all gonna get f five G sick anyway for a little bit? It's just something you get through, or was it something that they can control down the road? The Eh-soteric Archives: Well I I think it was a think it was multiple things. I think it was a test of compliance and I think it was them testing probably different things out to see how they would work. That would be my my take on what the vax was. I don't I don't think it was just a a a kill shot. Maybe for in some people that ended up happening, but that was because of whatever tests they were running. I don't know. Yeah, well then 'cause it it did end up coming out that a bunch of batches were sailing and stuff too, right? So there was like It it kinda it depended on what batch you got was the potency of it and I don't know, there could be something to that like injecting people with certain nanotechnology to turn them into transmitters, you know, that that all plays into the what they're spraying in the sky and all the like harp and all these frequency weapons that they're they're pushing around too, so Could also be a psyop like literally a psyop just to because there's another issue. Like you know what I mean? Everything could be they they throw out the vax so everyone could say, ⁓ it's the vax, it's the vax, but it's actually five G or Spring or data centers or water or fluoride or yeah. Or just so they could steal money and and diddle kids, yeah. Yeah. Darren Grimes: And it could just be stealing money. And it could always just be good old fashioned corruption. The Eh-soteric Archives: Yeah, I don't know. There's there's just there's been so many theories around it too, that it's like I d I don't know what it is. I'm just at the end of the day happy I'm I didn't get it and won't ever inject anything into my body again, so you know. Graham Dunlop: Yeah, exactly. It feels surreal, ⁓ Now thinking back because I I know an older person who got the jab recently and they're sick from it and they know that they're sick from it. And I'm like, what the fuck is going on with with like y you you think that's working because you're you're sick, so it's doing its job on your immune system and like the whole the whole medical industry must know, like when we're in the hospital here, they're like Yeah, I got ⁓ jab, so I'm just looking out for the what do they call that again? The side effect. What's it what's it called with the side effects? ⁓ adverse adverse reactions to the jab. And I'm like, You you're okay with that? Like you th really think it's protecting you and you're and you're expecting adverse reactions in the hospital. Like this is a person that works in the hospital. I'm like, what the fuck is going on here? Like The Eh-soteric Archives: Of reactions. Yeah. Graham Dunlop: It's ⁓ it feels like we're living in a dream. Sometimes I'm like, Am I gonna wake up and it's twenty nineteen or something? 'Cause it's like this are we still we're still dealing with this in Canada? This this old person knows and the and the doctor must know. And like I'm like, you why don't you go back to the hospital to tell them so they can document it at least, but no, you know. The Eh-soteric Archives: Yeah. Darren Grimes: Hold on and then you go work. You just wake up and Would you would you prefer that happen? Would you like give up all this would you give up your newfound podcast freedom to go back into the matrix but COVID didn't happen? So you wake up and it's twenty nineteen but you have work tomorrow? Graham Dunlop: Probably not. Probably not. That's a really good question. The Eh-soteric Archives: Yeah, I still have work Mondays, so I I do industrial sales, so like electrical and instrumentation stuff. So yeah, yeah, I work with And and I work at a very large construction equipment ⁓ supplier. ⁓ was it was in construction for a little bit, not the way that that Darren was and in in restaurants for a very long time for thirty years, up until COVID and then Graham Dunlop: What do you what do you do? What ⁓ you know, right? Okay. Yeah. ⁓ yeah, cool. Yeah. Okay. Cool. ⁓ wow. Right. Yeah, exactly. The Eh-soteric Archives: COVID ruined that industry and changed it completely and yeah, I got out of that. So yeah. Yeah. Graham Dunlop: Yeah, yeah. Cool. Construction's a good industry to be in right now. I mean, really. The Eh-soteric Archives: Especially in Victoria. It is booming in Victoria. And and oil and gas, as you mentioned, right, is yeah is starting to That's honor yeah, that's honestly why I kinda always stayed in it. I d I I you know, I had the rock star dreams there for a bit and then toured and did all that and it was always just like a steady job to come back to. You know, all my other friends would like come back and bartend and stuff and I was making three times as much as they were and got paid vacation to go to her and I like, okay, well I'm just gonna stick in this and then, you know, you end up actually learning a thing or two and and getting some freedom in the industry once you've been in it for a little while. So it's yeah. COVID killed music too. That was part of it. Killed touring and yeah and concerts. But I again like that was another shock to me is like working in the industrial war. I work with a lot of like trades guys and stuff and they all fell for it too. I thought for sure that, you know, the blue collar dudes that are, you know, always hacking darts and shit would be against it. And like yeah, no. It didn't matter. It just it was just like all encompassing. Graham Dunlop: It was weird. Like you probably couldn't pinpoint like why somebody would be like us and just say, No, we're not gonna do it no matter what. Like we're not doing it. It's so weird. What is it? What was it?

Is it something in our growing up? Is it something in our genetics? Is it something in like why why are it's so weird? The Eh-soteric Archives: Yeah. Yeah. That's strange. ⁓ I I know for me, like I've been a Darren Grimes: There seemed to be a clear divide in our company between like ⁓ shop and field employees. The Eh-soteric Archives: What was it? Darren Grimes: Yeah, there was like l ⁓ way way more of the field employees didn't get it than shop or office. Graham Dunlop: What were you gonna say? The Eh-soteric Archives: ⁓ about ⁓ about what what it was? Graham Dunlop: No, but y yeah, about ⁓ yeah, what it was that made us different. The Eh-soteric Archives: I I was just gonna like for me it was I I was a contrarian. Like I I I like my whole life I've been a contrarian, so you know, and but I think I was no hope for ever getting it. But I think Canada as a whole, like it's a very go along to get along kind of country. And I do think a lot of people I knew, good people, literally just got it to just thinking it was the right thing to do and they wanted to be a good person and not have to argue with people and You know, said as much and I think they kind of they capitalized on Canadian sensitivity, we'll say, you know what I mean? To get we're one of the most vaxxed countries in the world, I believe, at one time. I don't right. Yeah. Even conservatives voted we yeah. Yeah. Not that I I don't think voting works full full disclosure myself, but we knew all I knew quite a few people who are conservatives, big Pierre Pauli fans that switched the last month. Graham Dunlop: Yeah. Yep. And then they all voted for Kearney. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Eh-soteric Archives: Like I I don't know how that happened. I what? Yeah. Yeah, that's exactly it, right? Yeah. And Graham Dunlop: Yep. Orange man. Darren Grimes: Didn't Carney just say make America great again? Graham Dunlop: Ha ha ha. The Eh-soteric Archives: He ba basically, yeah. Pretty much, yeah. A week after he signed a bunch of deals with with China too, right? Some memorandum memorandums of understanding. I think that was last last week or the week before. So yeah. Yeah, elbows up, guys. Elbows up. That's how we have to fight everything nowadays. Yeah, fucking ankles up. Yeah. Darren Grimes: A lot of those don't yeah. The Eh-soteric Archives: I yeah, I don't know. I d ⁓ at the same time though too, even like the conservative movement has gotten kind of cringy too, right? Like the that I'm I've I've yeah. Where where do you stand, Darren, on the the Alberta separatist stuff being in Alberta? Like I I I I've kinda I still have family there and I've asked them about it and you know they're sort of just like I don't really pay attention to it, but like have you noticed Graham Dunlop: Yeah. Darren Grimes: It's all pretty cringy. Graham Dunlop: Yeah. The Eh-soteric Archives: Is it is it's the movement as strong as as like what the the online community would say or? Darren Grimes: I don't think so. And I'm I'm part of the movement, but ⁓ yeah, I would I would say I don't think so. I would I thought it was stronger than it turned out to be. Now there could still be the the the chance that people scared to put their thing on it, but I mean we got one of the best politicians in the Western world right now, so it's like The Eh-soteric Archives: No. Yeah. Graham Dunlop: Scared they're scared people are scared to put their name to it. Darren Grimes: It's a tough time to push separatism when your political leader just keeps coming out and saying the right things. Like and people are accusing her of this and that. And that could be the case. But it's like all of the major issues for separation are now like on the ballot already. It's like, should these immigrants get healthcare? Should this she apologized for if we had a different political scene, I think they could have pushed it over the top. But I think there's just a lot of people that are like, Maybe we shouldn't like It ain't great and it could be better. It'd be nice to not be a part of Canada, but ⁓ it's tough when you got a Danielle Smith in there that 'cause she seems to just be, you know, doing the things that her base wants her to do. So they're having trouble pushing those people over the top. The Eh-soteric Archives: Yeah. My my whole thought on it was that it wouldn't really work unless it was like a full Western Canadian separation. And obviously BC is pretty far from from being on on board with that right now. ⁓ mind you the the sentiment out here is changing. I d I don't think The NDP is gonna have the stronghold that they once did, especially with all this like undrip stuff and whatever. So it's only outside of Vancouver and Victoria, right? For the most part, the rest of BC I think would join Alberta in a heartbeat. I think it's yeah, the two cities. Yeah. That that hold everything back and Yeah. The brainwashing and and all those things as well. And I agree, Danielle Smith is a very li I don't like very many politicians. I try very hard not to. She's a very likable, she's a very likable leader. And I yeah. I want to trust her and I wanna believe her. And I'm not an Albertan, so I really don't have any say in it. ⁓ but I do think they should have cause I read your Substock article about it there, Darren. I know it was it was other stuff as well. The was it the scorpion and the frog one? And just they they should have had a There should be a referendum first and then see what the people want and then take it from there. Not not just say that that's not gonna happen and they can't separate. Cause it kind of they've made it seem like that am I wrong? They've made it seem like separation cannot go on now, kind of. It it's a su Supreme Court issue or Darren Grimes: Yeah, I don't know. They seem to have muddied the waters by whichever way they could sort of find. And ⁓ I don't know, 'cause it i I don't know enough about the law to really know totally because it's kinda unprecedented in the way

it's being gone about, is my understanding. Like the way Quebec did it both times was through a political party, whereas this time it's just referendum. It didn't seem like that mattered. But ⁓ there was just sort of some weirdness that came along with that in itself because it just leaves this sort of leaves all these questions open. It's like, okay, well if they they win separation, who's in charge? What is the new political system? Because it's you're not whereas when Quebec does it it's like okay well this political party that's been voted into power is gonna been voted into power to separate and we voted them in to be our representation to form this new government, as opposed to we just changed the rules and now we've got a bunch of politicians and that are cause I mean, people didn't know that, but technically the plan was if you read all the documentation that that basically the UCP would still stay in charge. It would basically be whatever seats were one were still the seats. So it was just as a country instead of a province, but it was all like none of that was really at the forefront. So you it just it sort of paved the way for a lot of assumptions. The Eh-soteric Archives: Yeah, when you when reading about it, it was hard to actually find out what exactly was going on for sure. Yeah. Darren Grimes: Or what was gonna happen, you know, like nobody knows what was gonna happen. You could even read the whole APP site and still not be totally sure what what was gonna happen, you know. I still supported it because ⁓ you could there was enough there to know it wasn't ⁓ it wasn't like The Eh-soteric Archives: Mm-hmm. Graham Dunlop: Flash in the pan or something. It was a real movement. It was a real movement. Darren Grimes: No, it wasn't like and it wasn't ⁓ evil, it wasn't like co opted, it wasn't like gonna be an empire or anything weird like that. It wasn't a power grab, but it was also just sort of lacking some of those. I mean, I I kept arguing with them because because they were like, No, it's grassroots, it's grassroots. And I like, Well, when you guys are trying to win at the highest fucking level of politics, eventually you're gonna have to start being Graham Dunlop: ⁓ yeah. The Eh-soteric Archives: Mm-hmm. Darren Grimes: politics. We're gonna have to get political at some point. We can argue about when that point is, but it's not like we're just trying to get black people to sit on the front of the bus and everybody be okay with that. You're trying to like form a country, arguably like the highest political process possible. You're gonna need some politicians to do that historically or or soldiers. Those just seem to be the two options. The Eh-soteric Archives: Yeah. Right. Yeah. Darren Grimes: Grassroots can get blacks to sit anywhere they want on the bus. It can do all sorts of stuff. You can do all sorts of great social movements through grassroots, but I don't think you can found a nation. Maybe you could, like, you know, a couple

hundred years ago when nations were just getting founded because you were there and you, you know, but nowadays you're gonna need to you're gonna need some some people who know how to play the game. You're gonna need other people who know how to the legal E's, you're g you gotta dot the T's and cross the I's and make the public comfortable with what you're doing ultimately, which which is politics at the end of the day. Graham Dunlop: Well Maybe they need it maybe this'll just op if it doesn't happen, it'll open up the door for a Western separatist party. So it won't b be Alberta. It'll be like BC, some of BCA, Saskatchewan, Alberta, there'll be a big party. Some some leader will come out of the woodwork and that'll can that can take the has thick skin and can take all the the name calling and the how bad it's gonna get. The Eh-soteric Archives: Yeah, that that was my thought with it too. Because it's not it's not even just winning over the people too, right? Like you're talking, you know, billions of dollars of investment in in these provinces too, right? So it's like you have to win over the the money side of it too. Otherwise they'll just they'll just leave, you know. And and there is a lot of leverage there because obviously, you know, Alberta has the the resources, BC has the resources that tend to fund the rest of the country, but Darren Grimes: And just the average person is tricky too, you know. The I think for the average person that isn't quite as hatted as we are and anti-establishment as we are, change always gonna be the scary and hard thing to do. So you need a clear and present idea of what you're changing into. You can't just it's never enough to change out of what you're in. Otherwise there wouldn't be a bunch of dudes stuck in shitty marriages and stuff like that. You know, a shitty Shitty isn't enough of a motivator. You need in most cases, eventually it'll push you over the top. Eventually it'll push us over the top too. But in most cases, you sort of need that you you need that change to be sold to you. You need to, you know, even when it's for your own good half the time, you need that change to be sold to you. And ⁓ I think that we fell short of doing that to the average Albertan we did a real good job of just The Eh-soteric Archives: Yeah. Darren Grimes: selling it to guys like me and Graham over and over and over and over and over and over again and didn't really make any attempt at at the middle. And I think that i if they could have done it all again, the smart thing to do would have been before You know, they I think that they're I'll I'll just leave it at that. There it could have been done better. The Eh-soteric Archives: Fair. Yeah. Darren Grimes: Because when you don't when you don't give it leaders, then leaders just get assigned to it and some of them happen to be fucking retarded. The Eh-soteric Archives: Yeah. Darren Grimes: And say retarded things that you can't put back in the bottle. And that that that then

whether you like it or not, and you can disavow it, or you can he can they can say a million times that they're not speaking for this, you can't you can't stir the fucking cream back out of the coffee. You know, that's just like A, nobody got switched into separation because of that, and B You lost some people. It might not have been a everybody, but you just a few people were like, wow, these guys are fucking unhinged. And I think that ⁓ we already had the unhinged people. You know, we didn't need to we needed to act. Not we, because I wasn't one of them, but we just you needed some people that that had the authority to speak to the movement, that had the ability to say, no, well, I don't care what fuck he says, that you know, this is ⁓ And we didn't sort of have that. So leadership got tied to some people that might be great guys, but didn't handle the responsibility well, in my opinion. The Eh-soteric Archives: I think that happens with a lot of a lot of different movements, right? Like you squeaky wheel gets Darren Grimes: And a bunch of paid off Indian chiefs don't help. You know, so it's like between those two things it was a perfect storm to sort of kick us in the ass and then Parker goes and doxes the province. So like, you know, it was just like it was a bad couple of weeks. The Eh-soteric Archives: Yeah. Darren Grimes: But for the record, I mean, I was telling ⁓ for months that they needed to get more political about it. And I just kept kept getting told I was wrong. The Eh-soteric Archives: Yeah, it'll be interesting to see where it goes from here. It's gotta obviously they're they're gonna Darren Grimes: Well it's going political now. I can tell you exactly where it's going. They're gonna try and get into the UCP andor form a political party, which is fucking what I was you know, saying to do ⁓ that's what they're working on now is co opting the UCP party. They're gonna try and turn the UCP into a separatist party. Which they might do. My my thought was just to run it. Well, that's the risk, right? So that's why I Graham Dunlop: What, before the referendum? Before the vote? the motor will fail and the NDP will come to power. The Eh-soteric Archives: Yeah. Darren Grimes: My thought would be to just like start a new party and don't and just run in like eight ridings that you know you can win, you know the hardcore separatist ridings, and let the NDP and the UCP split the rest and just fucking not let anyone pass anything. We well no eight eight eight seats eight seats could The Eh-soteric Archives: Yeah, at least have a voice too, right? Have something good. That was the problem with the PBC, I thought. Darren Grimes: would would be the balance of power in Alberta politics right now. If we had a party that had eight seats, nobody could pass, either they'd all have to agree on it. And if the NDP and the UCP agree on anything, great. Then it's probably for the best of everybody. But if you had just eight seats, then the NDP can't pass any

laws without your eight votes. And the U C P can't pass any laws without your eight votes. And I think at this point, just like hitting the brakes Sounds good enough. You don't need to promise me anything. I just just say we're gonna hit the brakes for five years. We're not doing fucking anything. No new laws. No new this, you know. We can still figure out the nitty gritty enough to keep the stuff running, but we're not voting for fucking anything that's you know. The Eh-soteric Archives: Recalibrate. Graham Dunlop: What did what was ⁓ what was PPC's mistake there? The Eh-soteric Archives: Yeah, I I was just gonna say I d what what Darren mentioned about going for eight seats that you know you can win. Like putting putting all your eggs into kind of that one those eight baskets, I guess. But whereas the you know what I mean? The PBC Yeah. Darren Grimes: Yeah, and the difference in Alberta is that can be the balance of power. Whereas on the federal level it's tricky because you're playing with the block and the NDP and it's hard to just come in and be that the third thing. But in in in s in systems like Saskatchewan and Alberta, to a lesser extent BC, they're so two party that you can just the right couple of seats could just really hit the brakes on Anything. It's like, okay, well you really want to pass that? Well, first we pass this gun shit we've been talking about. Or first we roll back this. Not we say we'll do that and then you pass this. It's just once this is done, we might support that. The Eh-soteric Archives: And then build support that way and then you get more and more people on your side by being political, as you said. Darren Grimes: Yeah, I think more and more people would just appreciate that you're not fucking fucking them over. You know, or maybe you don't maybe you don't gain power, but at least you you've still you don't do you need to gain power if you're already in the halls of power stopping laws from getting passed. I mean, ideally, yeah, if you want to separate, eventually you would build that up too, and it gives you a a nice footing to build off of your makes you more serious, it gives you more experience in doing it before you're actually tasked with running a country and ⁓ kind of do it like that. But and then then at the meantime, you have the ability to just hit the brakes on everything, sort of. So instead of us just being on the sidelines yelling and screaming, well, they can still do whatever they want, which right now, you know, maybe ain't terrible for a guy like me because I tend to agree with a lot of the stuff Daniel Smith does, but not everything. It'd be nice to just be able to say, no, you can't do that one. No, you can't do that one. Why not? I don't know. I guess I don't wanna. I got voted in and my fucking constituents don't want it. That's the kind of thing I'd like to hear in politics again. More talk about I'd like to hear about fucking constituents. My I talked to my constituents and they said no.

The Eh-soteric Archives: Yeah, but at least Yeah, you don't hear that at all. Yeah, ever everything's towing the party line right nowadays. Very few people actually have opinions outside of that, yeah. Darren Grimes: Maybe. Or maybe that maybe not even the party line you thought they were gonna tell. Maybe like the opposite one. That's that seems like a weird new thing. Where we delegate into a we we generate into a two party system and you don't even know that the what party the people you vote for are gonna end up voting for. The Eh-soteric Archives: Hm. Yeah, fair enough. Or or switching sides, right? Like how many? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Darren Grimes: ⁓ that's what I'm talking about exactly. It's like what this is like I think there's been like a couple in the past, but nothing ever like this. And I think all the ones in the past were too like independent. It was never I I could be talking about my ass about that. The Eh-soteric Archives: It's amazing. No, no, you're not. No, ⁓ you're you're talking there was a couple that that crossed to well on the federal level that crossed to the Harper government. There was like I think there was two from the liberal side or one liberal and one NDP that's that switched over to to Harper's government, but not like but but it was also like there it wasn't the difference between a majority and a minority government, right? It was just sort of like a switching of sides, not not a There was this one was it was so blatantly backroom deals and it was so like you could just tell what yeah, you could tell what was going on, right? That's yeah. Yeah, I feel it should be a by-election or you have to be independent if you want to switch. If you don't like what your party's doing. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And and let the people decide. Darren Grimes: It should have to be a bi it should be a by election. 'Cause there wasn't multiple conservative candidates to vote for in that riding. There's one. The Eh-soteric Archives: No. Yeah. And that's why that's why they got in and they know that's why they got in. Yeah. And then the other one was sour grapes, right? I think she ran to be the the leader of the Conservative Party, the last one. I can't remember her name at the moment. She ran to be the leader and lost and and Now she's switched sides. ⁓ yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like when Pierre Polyev was chosen, I think she was part of that. But again, now this just it all get it all plays back into the whole like demoralization campaign, right? Like it's this all just makes people lose faith in politics in general and so that you can crumble this system because it's like at I don't know. And I I d I just I don't really think left and right necessarily matter anymore. I don't think there's any real distinction between the two. They're Graham Dunlop: Do I do or Canada. The Eh-soteric Archives: No. Well or in the States, you know, like I I really don't I don't actually believe that anything would be operating all that differently if if the Democrats had won, it would be a different ⁓ different narrative around it, but the end goal is still the s you know, all roads lead to Rome, like Graham Dunlop: I don't know I don't know. We'll see. Darren Grimes: There'd be one difference. Ground would be against the data centers. The Eh-soteric Archives: Awesome. Yeah. Yeah, the timeline got all fucked up. Yeah. Cool. Well, yeah, I mean, it's yeah, it's it's it's interesting to talk. We don't really talk about politics too much on the show because it's it always just ends up yeah. Graham Dunlop: And everybody else would be for them. Darren Grimes: Don't if you're smart. Just avoid it. Graham Dunlop: Yeah, we yeah, we should well we'll have to do this again sometime where we don't talk about politics. The Eh-soteric Archives: Or data centers, yeah. Yeah. Still it was ⁓ it was great to chat with you guys and to to hear these to hear that you guys have different opinions because you and I seem to we have a few opinions that are different, but for the most part, we kind of agree on a lot of stuff or the angle. Yeah. ⁓ but yeah, it was nice to nice to hear that and see if Graham see if we can get you back under the the AI AI data centers or bad side, because I think Graham Dunlop: No, not yet. No, not yet. I I need to see the ⁓ surveillance state in action first. I need to well, we need to get through this, man. I that's my opinion is that they're gonna try, they're gonna fail, and then that's what's gonna bring us through the other end to some happy medium. 'Cause that's the only thing that's gonna wake Can Canada and a a bunch of the rest of the West up is just like a massive failure at this a surveillance grid implementation. So I'm kind of like an accelerationist in that way, like 'Cause nobody everybody in cat th Canada's for I mean, except for the data center part, but who knows why. But they're for all these all these things that ⁓ that Carney and the globalists and stuff ⁓ wanna put in place. They seem to be for it, so The Eh-soteric Archives: I think ⁓ yeah. A lot of the time these guys just show their hand eventually anyways, right? Like I try not to be a doomer about it because I actually do think that at the end of the day things will probably you know, maybe we are on the good timeline and things will actually work out, you know. I don't wanna just think that it's inevitable that we're on like the Mad Max path. That's seems like what's the point then, right? Like Graham Dunlop: Yeah. ⁓ yeah. Yeah. I think we were on the Mad Max path with net zero and the climate cult and we're we're going off it. Like I'm I'm I'm hopeful about the future. I think this is great. Yeah, I think it's fantastic. All these conspiracies coming true, UFOs and NHIs and magic and everything's real. What? ⁓ boy. Darren's gonna play a clip. What are you gonna play? The Eh-soteric Archives: Yeah, I am too. Yeah. Darren Grimes: Graham. So let me just let's finish with this. The

facility became famous after Snowden's disclosures. What so the the ⁓ NSA ⁓ data site is one of the s most significant intelligence data centers ever built. How big do you think it is? Why don't you all take a guess? Acres. The Eh-soteric Archives: talking acres. I'm gonna I'm gonna say Graham Dunlop: Five thousand acres. The Eh-soteric Archives: Ten. Ten thousand acres? Graham Dunlop: No, no, no, hang on. I'm gonna go away. Five hundred acres. Yeah. The Eh-soteric Archives: Prices right rules. I'm gonna go fifteen hundred. Yeah, fifteen hundred. Darren Grimes: You guys all went over. Two hundred acres. Graham Dunlop: Yeah, yeah. The Eh-soteric Archives: Wow. All right. Holy shit. Okay. Graham Dunlop: Back when we were tracking kilobytes. Darren Grimes: So O'Leary's proposed AA campus would cover roughly two hundred times more area than the NSA's actual Bluffdale data center site, although the NSA facility is far more densely developed. Would have to be. It's probably like it could be multiple levels. You know, is it like a house where they just give you one square footage? The Eh-soteric Archives: Yeah. For the whole thing, huh? Yeah. Darren Grimes: They don't give you all the other yeah, it's only two hundred acres, but there's like fifty stories of The Eh-soteric Archives: Yeah. Graham Dunlop: They should build up and not out. They should build towers. They should build little cities and their towers in a little town. Build a town of towers instead of sprawling out on the farmland. That's The Eh-soteric Archives: Can use all the all the condos that aren't selling in Vancouver and Toronto. Right. Exactly. Yeah. Graham Dunlop: Yeah, or the or the empty office buildings. Yeah. Yeah. Repurpose the empty office buildings. Like I mean, maybe that's not even close I bet you if we did that calculation of the empty square footage, it's not even close to what they need. But I mean it would be a good step in the right direction. The Eh-soteric Archives: If yeah. Yeah, yeah. There's an argument to be made. Bomb them all. Cool. Well yeah, no. Thank you guys. And yeah, is there anything you wanna wanna push? Any trips coming up or anything that you wanna No, you have your solstice trip, right? That's soon. Darren Grimes: Right on. Thanks, guys. Graham Dunlop: Yeah, thanks guys. Darren Grimes: Yeah, the solstice trip and the I think just like we'll be there in three weeks. So that one's almost full. It's not quite full. And then we got some Randall Carlson tours in the fall and Malta in the spring. The Eh-soteric Archives: Nice the the Finger Lakes one, that's what the September. Darren Grimes: ⁓ first week of September, yeah. The Eh-soteric Archives: Yeah. That'll be I I I that was a great show watching that one, the Randall Carlson Finger Lakes one. It's when I learned about that that whole map simulation thing that you have going on there, which I've been trying out ever since then. So yeah. Anyways, yeah, thanks a lot, guys. We'll ⁓ do that thing. Yeah, yeah, do the thing. All right. From the ⁓ land of the high seas and the tall trees, I am Mike. I'm Andrew. Have a good night. Catch you next time. Graham Dunlop: ⁓ yeah, yeah.