النص الكامل لحلقة Political Correctness - Have We Gone Too Far?

the humour in that came by the fact that we're laughing at the white guy because he just had no social tolerance whatsoever. 00:04:58.879 --> 00:05:09.199 Um, but when you look at Australian TV, you look at um Kingswood Country, and of course uh Ross Higgins's son-in-law being Italian, yeah, he was playing off human. 00:05:09.360 --> 00:05:11.600 This is something that was in the late 70s. 00:05:11.920 --> 00:05:19.279 So there's a l there was a lot of it, and of course, none of those shows hold up particularly well today for all the reasons you said. 00:05:19.600 --> 00:05:24.480 Yeah, but I don't think, you know, I I'm not in favor of rewriting history and pretending it didn't happen. 00:05:24.560 --> 00:05:25.759 Yeah, that cancel culture. 00:05:25.839 --> 00:05:32.399 I'm dead against that because if we don't if we don't learn from what happened before and from history, then how can we ever make it better? 00:05:32.639 --> 00:05:33.040 That's right. 00:05:33.199 --> 00:05:34.399 And and improve ourselves. 00:05:34.480 --> 00:05:41.439 You know, it happened, it it is, it was a those those shows were an example of what we were as a country at the time. 00:05:41.680 --> 00:05:48.480 And we've it's like um going back saying 300 years ago we used to burn women at the stake if we thought they were witches. 00:05:48.959 --> 00:05:53.680 Now we know that that's not right and that's not okay, but it happened. 00:05:54.079 --> 00:05:56.639 And you can't get away from the fact that it happened. 00:05:56.800 --> 00:06:04.160 But going back to, do you remember even when we were kids, going back to nursery rhymes that were politically incorrect? 00:06:04.240 --> 00:06:07.920 Like I'm the the one that jumps out at me is eeny meeny miny mo. 00:06:08.240 --> 00:06:08.560 Oh. 00:06:09.439 --> 00:06:13.120 Catcher, oh, of course, n-word by the toe. 00:06:13.279 --> 00:06:13.439 Yeah. 00:06:13.920 --> 00:06:14.319 Of course. 00:06:14.639 --> 00:06:21.040 And we used to say, I mean, we can't even say the word anymore, it's the n-word, you know, and and and rightly so. 00:06:21.439 --> 00:06:24.959 But these days kids say, uh, catch a tiger by the toe. 00:06:25.199 --> 00:06:25.600 That's it. 00:06:25.680 --> 00:06:26.319 Yep, yep. 00:06:26.560 --> 00:06:34.480 Um, and it's it's you know, at that it's deeply offensive, and it goes back to it traces back to the to the US. 00:06:34.720 --> 00:06:39.680 Um, and it we just grew up with that stuff and didn't think it and chanted it. 00:06:39.839 --> 00:06:46.240 And like like Ring a Ring of Rosie making like sort of a children's rhyme around people dying of the plague. 00:06:46.959 --> 00:06:55.199 Well, it wasn't until a few a few months ago when I heard a couple of my well, one of my grandkids talk about barbar rainbow sheep. 00:06:55.519 --> 00:06:56.879 I guess that's right. 00:06:57.279 --> 00:07:00.399 Because that's what they sing at preschool now. 00:07:00.480 --> 00:07:13.439 And I'm thinking, my gosh, um I don't know how that has any connotation whatsoever, because having worked in a rural industry, there are black sheep, white sheep, coloured sheep, and you think, well, gosh, it's it's a nursery rhyme. 00:07:13.519 --> 00:07:14.959 Have we taken things too far? 00:07:15.279 --> 00:07:33.680 Well, I think I think we have taken things too far, particularly when it particularly with um Kuhn cheese, which is now known as Cheer, uh, because it was named Kuhn after the man who invented it, I think whatever his name was, John Kuhn, or it had nothing to do with any racism whatsoever. 00:07:33.839 --> 00:07:38.720 And when when companies are are doing that, I think that takes things too far. 00:07:38.800 --> 00:07:41.360 And I think people probably our generation believe that. 00:07:41.439 --> 00:07:46.560 You know, who's going to be offended by a cheese in someone's with someone's surname on it? 00:07:46.800 --> 00:07:47.199 That's right. 00:07:47.279 --> 00:08:00.160 Um, I remember Johnny Warren, for those who may be following sport in Australia, if you're listening here, um, he was a he was a groundbreaking sort of player as far as you know um the sport is concerned. 00:08:00.240 --> 00:08:12.319 When it was called soccer these days, it's called football, but he was constantly making references to the fact that when he was at school, he was taunted for playing soccer slash football because it was called wagball. 00:08:12.720 --> 00:08:26.639 And you think, my gosh, I mean, and that is something when I was mentioning Kingswood Country, it was on broadcast television, you know, every week, and it was just something that we used to say without any thought, second thoughts about it, right? 00:08:26.879 --> 00:08:41.840 And anybody our age who who were were the children of immigrants who came to this country from Greece and from Italy in the 1950s will tell those stories about growing up and being called names like Wag or Dago or whatever, those sorts of things. 00:08:42.000 --> 00:08:55.600 But um, and then and you know, along in the 80s comes the TV series Wogs Out of Work, where they're making light of it themselves and and that this is how it was growing up, you know, taking a falafel for lunch instead of a veggie mite sandwich. 00:08:55.679 --> 00:09:12.399 And I think that's what I love about the Australian sense of humor is that we we can recognize that that it's not correct to call people names, um, but we we can also hopefully have a laugh about it as well and in in in a respectful way, if if that makes sense. 00:09:12.559 --> 00:09:14.000 So um yeah. 00:09:14.240 --> 00:09:26.639 Now and going back to school, I don't understand this fully, but when we used to give each other Chinese burns, now I why was it a Chinese burn? 00:09:26.720 --> 00:09:32.879 And I looked it up and it said, you know, your friends would come up and do that, twist your skin in opposite directions on your arm. 00:09:33.039 --> 00:09:41.120 And it was widely perceived, I'm

just reading this on Google, as racist and born from negative attitudes to Chinese and also Native American people. 00:09:41.519 --> 00:09:52.720 Um, the etymology is meant to refer to the historical, historically perceived brutal methods of torture used by Chinese people and Native American groups. 00:09:52.879 --> 00:09:53.840 I'm like, what? 00:09:54.639 --> 00:10:01.679 Did some seven-year-old come up with the concept that I think I'm gonna do this to your arm and this would be a great name because Yeah, let's call it a Chinese burn. 00:10:01.840 --> 00:10:03.440 But why is it a Chinese burn? 00:10:03.759 --> 00:10:04.879 I have no idea. 00:10:05.519 --> 00:10:06.720 That's a great question. 00:10:07.200 --> 00:10:07.919 Isn't that weird? 00:10:08.080 --> 00:10:09.919 Yeah, it's so so strange. 00:10:10.080 --> 00:10:13.679 And um, yeah, so it's and also Chinese whispers. 00:10:13.919 --> 00:10:14.639 Oh, yeah. 00:10:14.799 --> 00:10:31.840 So China like most people we we played Chinese whispers as a as a kid just for fun and involve so for people who don't know, I'm sure anyone listening to this would know what it is, but involves passing a message along a line of people and seeing how much it changes from the start to finish as it gets passed along. 00:10:32.000 --> 00:10:42.559 And according to Google, it's derived from dark origins evolving from a racist idea in the mid-20th century that Chinese people spoke in a way that was deliberately unintelligible. 00:10:42.879 --> 00:10:43.360 Wow. 00:10:43.600 --> 00:10:51.759 So, you know, when people have got a very thick Chinese accent, you might not be able to understand them, and that's where apparently Chinese whispers came from. 00:10:52.080 --> 00:10:54.480 Chinese community have given a lot to this country. 00:10:55.039 --> 00:10:56.080 They certainly have. 00:10:56.320 --> 00:11:00.080 And and I'm thinking Fantastic food, by the way. 00:11:00.639 --> 00:11:02.320 I'm thinking, where is all this come from? 00:11:02.399 --> 00:11:05.039 The Chinese burn ones got me really thinking though. 00:11:05.120 --> 00:11:07.519 Like I'm I remember getting them and giving them. 00:11:07.759 --> 00:11:09.039 Um, but yeah, wow. 00:11:09.360 --> 00:11:10.320 Oh gosh, they hurt, didn't they? 00:11:10.720 --> 00:11:11.279 Oh, didn't they? 00:11:11.360 --> 00:11:11.600 Yeah. 00:11:11.840 --> 00:11:12.480 Yeah. 00:11:14.399 --> 00:11:15.200 Oh my goodness. 00:11:15.279 --> 00:11:22.240 So yeah, a lot of those things that we did growing up were um we're just we were innocent, I guess. 00:11:22.480 --> 00:11:31.440 Um and I saw in a a recent poll said that um roughly 88% of voters view political correctness as having gone too far. 00:11:32.240 --> 00:11:33.840 And I thought that's that's interesting. 00:11:33.919 --> 00:11:35.440 That's kind of makes sense, doesn't it? 00:11:35.759 --> 00:11:38.399 Is it the loudest voices are probably the minority? 00:11:38.480 --> 00:11:48.879 And so we uh we all tend to think that that's what everyone thinks, when in reality 90% of us agree that it's gone, you know, it it it's going in the right direction. 00:11:48.960 --> 00:11:57.519 But sometimes, you know, the bar bar rainbow shoot thing is yeah, that's really yeah, really like Well, I think it I think it's been politically weaponized too. 00:11:57.600 --> 00:12:01.360 In the last 20 years, I really think it's become a political issue. 00:12:01.600 --> 00:12:01.840 Yeah. 00:12:02.159 --> 00:12:02.960 Political correctness. 00:12:03.039 --> 00:12:04.799 That's why that's hence the name, of course. 00:12:04.879 --> 00:12:05.440 But yeah. 00:12:06.159 --> 00:12:14.480 I mean schools today, and I might be sort of going off track a little bit here, but the nicknames we used to give kids and some of the names we used to call kids as well. 00:12:14.639 --> 00:12:18.720 I don't know, you know, there was always that fatty boom bar that used to be at school. 00:12:18.879 --> 00:12:19.440 Yeah, it's a big one. 00:12:19.840 --> 00:12:40.559 And I'm thinking, yeah, and so we never gave any consideration to the mental health of kids, you know, and it's it's one thing to say, uh, you know, there's names that are based on, you know, your ethnic origin, but it's another thing to say that, you know, oh it builds character and toughness and resilience if you know going up through school, so now you can't do that sort of thing. 00:12:40.799 --> 00:12:46.159 But there are so many names that we used to be called, um, or you know, taunts. 00:12:46.240 --> 00:12:48.639 Um, we had a simple Susan. 00:12:49.759 --> 00:12:58.879 Yeah, and and we called her that's what we called her, and yeah, we're horrified now, but Yeah, you don't want to be a Karen these days though, do you? 00:12:59.120 --> 00:13:00.559 No, nobody wants to be a Karen. 00:13:00.960 --> 00:13:02.960 No, and is that is that taking things too far? 00:13:03.200 --> 00:13:05.840 Is there going to be a class action by Karen's everywhere? 00:13:05.919 --> 00:13:12.559 Because that is the modern day we've taken things too far, and oh my gosh, I don't know. 00:13:12.799 --> 00:13:13.440 Yeah, I don't know. 00:13:14.320 --> 00:13:19.840 But bullying as well, and and um whether that's through uh your your ethnic background. 00:13:20.000 --> 00:13:25.120 I remember we had a we had a little girl at school, and I'm going back way back to infant school now. 00:13:25.360 --> 00:13:30.320 Uh and this is this is I'll give you two examples, sorry, and both involved Asian kids. 00:13:30.480 --> 00:13:35.440 Now, we had uh an Asian kid at school, and his name was Andrew Thomas. 00:13:35.600 --> 00:13:36.879 Sorry, Andrew, if you're listening. 00:13:37.039 --> 00:13:38.639 Umrew. 00:13:38.960 --> 00:13:41.759 He's his his dad was the local doctor, okay. 00:13:41.919 --> 00:13:45.039 Now we had a an English kid whose name was Hugh Thomas. 00:13:45.200 --> 00:13:47.039 Now, one had an English accent. 00:13:47.279 --> 00:13:57.039 Andrew

was born here, had you know, Aussie accent, but we we didn't treat them any differently because they told everyone that they were cousins. 00:13:57.279 --> 00:13:58.000 Oh well. 00:13:58.399 --> 00:14:04.399 Now, when you're seven and you're looking at these two kids and they say, Oh, we're cousins, you think, yeah, okay, your name's the same. 00:14:04.480 --> 00:14:05.440 That that works for me. 00:14:05.600 --> 00:14:15.039 Yeah, and so at that point even though they would look totally different, complete like you know, Hugh was a big look looking pale sort of kid, and Andrew was a shorter Asian-looking kid. 00:14:15.360 --> 00:14:16.240 Cousins, yep. 00:14:16.320 --> 00:14:17.600 Well, that makes sense. 00:14:17.759 --> 00:14:24.799 But we also had a girl come when we're about, you know, I think it was in year two, and she had uh polio. 00:14:25.039 --> 00:14:28.480 And I know that's yeah, she was in a wheelchair and had calipers. 00:14:28.799 --> 00:14:41.360 Um, and she came to the school, not a lot of English, um, and probably the second Asian kid I ever met, but she was a curiosity, and everyone wanted to be her friend. 00:14:41.519 --> 00:14:46.960 Um, whether that was because she had polio, because she was because she was different, maybe different. 00:14:47.279 --> 00:14:49.200 And so that is the flip side of the coin. 00:14:49.360 --> 00:14:50.159 That's lovely, isn't it? 00:14:50.320 --> 00:14:50.879 Yeah, isn't it? 00:14:51.039 --> 00:14:52.960 You know, that's a complete flip side. 00:14:53.120 --> 00:14:54.799 And is that just kids though? 00:14:54.879 --> 00:15:00.960 Is and and at some point do we become those people that think, oh, now we have to be politically correct? 00:15:01.039 --> 00:15:06.879 Because kids in the main, if you're another kid and you want to play or you know, great. 00:15:07.039 --> 00:15:16.559 Yeah, you don't even think about, you don't see the colour of their skin or or their surname or whatever, it's just uh yeah, you can play with us, or you know, no, you can't. 00:15:16.799 --> 00:15:17.200 That's it. 00:15:17.600 --> 00:15:17.919 Whatever. 00:15:18.080 --> 00:15:21.519 But even like some of the toys that we had, you know, my grandma made me a gollywog. 00:15:21.759 --> 00:15:22.639 Oh gosh, yes. 00:15:22.879 --> 00:15:28.639 And for if you don't know, for people don't know what gollywogs are, they they're sort of it's a um it's a stitched doll. 00:15:29.039 --> 00:15:45.360 Uh my grandma made had very black hair, white ri large white wim rimmed eyes, um big clown lips and wild frizzy hair, and and usually dressed in a jacket with striped pants and a bow tie, and usually sort of in red and yellow colours. 00:15:45.519 --> 00:15:49.759 So it was, I guess it looked was meant to look like a minstrel, would you say? 00:15:50.080 --> 00:15:54.639 Yeah, um, and and of course that black and white minstrel show was on television too. 00:15:54.799 --> 00:15:56.000 I don't know if you remember that probably. 00:15:56.240 --> 00:16:03.919 I do remember the black and white minstrel show, and that oh my gosh, that'd be mortifying now if if you could even see any episodes of it anywhere. 00:16:04.080 --> 00:16:07.840 But that was, yeah, and gollywogs were and there was gollywog biscuits. 00:16:08.240 --> 00:16:09.200 They had to be taken off the shelves. 00:16:09.440 --> 00:16:16.639 They had to be taken off the shelves, but I'm but you know, I loved this doll because you know, not because it was a black minstrel doll, but because my grandma made it. 00:16:16.879 --> 00:16:17.440 Mm-hmm. 00:16:17.600 --> 00:16:20.320 That was and it was a present from grandma. 00:16:20.559 --> 00:16:21.200 Yeah, yeah. 00:16:21.360 --> 00:16:39.120 And I could never well, I could understand the Gollywog biscuits being taken off the shelves because that was almost that awakening for me to thinking, oh my gosh, this is now coming into the greater part of you know society as far as retailers thinking, we need to do this because, and I think, where do you draw the line? 00:16:39.279 --> 00:16:40.080 Where does it stop? 00:16:40.159 --> 00:16:41.039 At what point? 00:16:41.120 --> 00:16:45.279 Because you can almost take just about anything and weaponize it, can't you? 00:16:45.600 --> 00:16:46.320 Absolutely, yeah. 00:16:46.480 --> 00:16:59.919 Yeah, so and Coon Cheese was that example where even in spite of the facts behind what was, you know, uh essentially just the the name of the guy that developed the process or whatever it was for the cheese slices, that no, no, it's offensive. 00:17:00.080 --> 00:17:07.759 Um I'm wondering how how many people were offended by it, but by amplifying that message, all of a sudden it makes it worse. 00:17:07.920 --> 00:17:14.880 It makes it brings it to everyone's attention, and then we all get outraged and morally outraged again because of sliced cheese. 00:17:15.039 --> 00:17:15.359 Really? 00:17:15.680 --> 00:17:17.039 Yeah, yeah, really, yeah. 00:17:17.200 --> 00:17:24.160 I mean, I I don't condone the use of the word coon in any way, shape, or form, but it was a cheese. 00:17:24.400 --> 00:17:24.720 Yeah. 00:17:25.119 --> 00:17:28.319 It was nothing more than the man's name who and anyway, anyway. 00:17:28.640 --> 00:17:29.279 Yeah, I know. 00:17:29.359 --> 00:17:32.480 I I I think we've just gone way, way too far. 00:17:32.799 --> 00:17:51.759 But there there are other things as well that were just I know whether they were politically incorrect, but in the workplace as well, things like I know when I first started uh a particular job in the early 80s, uh secretaries were expected to make the tea and the coffee. 00:17:52.240 --> 00:17:53.039 Oh, that was me. 00:17:53.279 --> 00:17:54.079 Yeah, oh really? 00:17:54.160 --> 00:17:54.960 You were you were the best. 00:17:55.599 --> 00:17:58.240 Yeah, I had to make tea and coffee for the boss, and yeah. 00:17:58.640 --> 00:18:05.359 Yeah, um, and how many people would go to the butcher and

you'd always get the butcher, hey Darl, what can I do for you? 00:18:05.599 --> 00:18:08.160 Um, you know, so you would get offended by that. 00:18:08.400 --> 00:18:12.400 No, and yet I I don't know whether you hear butcher saying, uh yeah, thanks, love. 00:18:12.480 --> 00:18:16.960 And uh uh sweetheart, can you uh and I'm thinking, do you do you hear that anymore? 00:18:17.119 --> 00:18:18.000 I don't know. 00:18:18.319 --> 00:18:33.119 Yeah, I think I think a lot of people are sort of, you know, yeah, do get offended by those endearing terms that we used people would because you know, you can I guess you guys can say mate, but you know, hey Dale, hey sweetie, hey love. 00:18:33.279 --> 00:18:41.920 I I couldn't there are so many more important things in life to be angry about injustices in the world than someone calling me that. 00:18:42.079 --> 00:18:43.200 I couldn't care less. 00:18:43.519 --> 00:18:48.880 Well, I remember oh, we're going back ten years or so ago, and I was walking into a gym. 00:18:49.039 --> 00:18:55.039 I was just walking into a gym and there was a lady coming the other way, and as you do, because it's just manners. 00:18:55.200 --> 00:18:56.720 If you're walking, you just hold the door. 00:18:57.039 --> 00:18:59.519 Open the door, she ripped into me. 00:18:59.839 --> 00:19:03.279 She absolutely ripped and she said, How dare you? 00:19:03.440 --> 00:19:04.079 And I thought, what? 00:19:04.240 --> 00:19:04.799 You're kidding me. 00:19:05.039 --> 00:19:08.480 Don't don't you think I'm capable of opening a door by myself? 00:19:08.640 --> 00:19:11.680 And I'm thinking, Oh, look, you're not having a good day. 00:19:11.839 --> 00:19:18.640 Because if that's a if that's a feminist sort of slur, it uh there's gonna be a lot of other things in your life. 00:19:19.680 --> 00:19:25.680 There's gonna be a lot of other things in your life that you know are see that's common, that's manners to me. 00:19:25.839 --> 00:19:26.240 Yeah, yeah. 00:19:26.640 --> 00:19:27.519 That is manners. 00:19:27.599 --> 00:19:29.519 Because I mean I open the door for men, you know. 00:19:29.599 --> 00:19:33.359 If if he happens, if you you know, if someone's coming in behind me, I'll hold the door out. 00:19:33.599 --> 00:19:35.039 I don't care what sex you are. 00:19:35.440 --> 00:19:38.079 It's it's politeness, it's that's right, you know, respectful. 00:19:38.160 --> 00:19:40.720 It's not it's nothing to do with your sex. 00:19:41.039 --> 00:19:48.240 And is that one of those five percent of voices that that scream from the rooftops and all of a sudden we tend to think that it's 95% of the population? 00:19:48.559 --> 00:19:49.119 Absolutely, yeah. 00:19:49.279 --> 00:19:49.519 Yeah. 00:19:49.680 --> 00:20:02.880 Um, did you I shouldn't ask you this because do you remember a time, probably in the workforce as well, where if a woman was being th they were always asked whether they plan on having children in in future or whatever. 00:20:03.680 --> 00:20:04.160 You were? 00:20:04.400 --> 00:20:05.759 Yes, yeah, I was. 00:20:05.920 --> 00:20:13.440 And I remember going for, I think when I was 16 or 17, I wanted to get a car, 17, 18, something like that, um, in the early 80s. 00:20:13.759 --> 00:20:27.200 And I the yeah, the bank manager back in the day when you would go and front up in your best clothes with an for an appointment with the bank manager, and he said, Do you plan on having children soon and you know leaving work because you won't be able to pay this loan off? 00:20:28.000 --> 00:20:40.160 And I'm my boss at the time had you know spoke to the bank manager and said, It's okay, you know, she's she's a good worker and we'll, you know, we'll and and I they gave me the loan, they gave me a loan for like you know, three grand or something. 00:20:40.480 --> 00:20:44.480 But I mean that's mortifying now when you think about it. 00:20:44.799 --> 00:20:45.359 I know. 00:20:45.519 --> 00:20:53.119 Like I we were talking about this the other day and some of the things that you just simply can't ask in a job interview anymore. 00:20:53.440 --> 00:20:55.759 Um, but that was that was on top of the list. 00:20:56.000 --> 00:20:57.519 That was on top of the list. 00:20:57.759 --> 00:20:58.880 Absolutely, yeah. 00:20:59.039 --> 00:21:04.640 Did um it wasn't that long ago when well it probably is now, it's probably about 40 years when they brought in the booze bus. 00:21:04.720 --> 00:21:07.680 But do you remember like drink driving used to be socially acceptable? 00:21:07.759 --> 00:21:09.839 It's always, oh look, I'll just have one for the road. 00:21:09.920 --> 00:21:11.519 I'll just you know everyone did it. 00:21:11.759 --> 00:21:13.039 Everyone did it, yeah. 00:21:13.119 --> 00:21:25.200 And we were all so mortified when it came in, and then the the the police had the power to pull us over randomly, even if we weren't uh, you know, driving oddly and breath test us. 00:21:25.279 --> 00:21:28.799 Remember, we were all mortal and and now we thank God that that it's there. 00:21:29.200 --> 00:21:32.480 Yeah, like and and I know I'll go back, I'll go back to TV. 00:21:32.640 --> 00:21:42.079 Some of the old ads as well that were just I mean, these days they tend to make men look dumb, which is probably not far off the mark for the most part. 00:21:42.319 --> 00:21:45.839 Um you're being politically incorrect. 00:21:46.079 --> 00:21:48.240 I know, and that's something I probably should bring up. 00:21:48.319 --> 00:21:58.720 I'm going off topic here, but if you make fun of you know, your own gender or your own ethnicity, um that's supposedly okay. 00:21:59.039 --> 00:22:00.559 Um Most cases. 00:22:00.640 --> 00:22:06.640 So, like if uh I remember months ago someone said, Oh, you're not allowed to tell Irish jokes because you know anything. 00:22:06.880 --> 00:22:09.359 But if an Irishman tells an Irish joke, is that okay? 00:22:09.920 --> 00:22:13.440 Same joke, same joke, um but it's the same

context. 00:22:13.599 --> 00:22:16.000 But does that does that does that work? 00:22:16.160 --> 00:22:16.640 I don't know. 00:22:16.799 --> 00:22:17.839 I don't know where the rules are. 00:22:18.319 --> 00:22:32.799 None of us know where the rules are, and when you think it we bring it back to, you know, Indigenous Australians, and you know, we can't you can't call them um black fella, and yet um you know, black uh Indigenous Australians can call us white fellas. 00:22:33.839 --> 00:22:53.839 And I'm not sure how that balances like how does that work, you know, and that when all of a sudden a colour becomes offensive, the word black in any way, shape, or form becomes offensive when it's you know, I guess it depends on how you put it in the sentence, but it's um it can be confusing. 00:22:54.000 --> 00:22:59.599 I mean, I I'm I'm a middle-aged white woman and I always I'm always making jokes about it being a middle-aged white woman. 00:22:59.839 --> 00:23:01.599 And and you know, am I a Karen? 00:23:01.839 --> 00:23:11.680 Am I uh living in you know middle class Australia and and um doing all the things that we all laugh about with middle-aged white women? 00:23:11.920 --> 00:23:12.319 Yeah. 00:23:12.640 --> 00:23:22.079 But remember there was a a time when they wanted to do things like um change the word manhole to something else because it had the man, you know, man involved. 00:23:22.240 --> 00:23:25.680 Yeah, and and you can't be a chairman of everyone's a chairperson these days. 00:23:25.920 --> 00:23:26.319 That's right. 00:23:26.400 --> 00:23:33.599 Um and I was always I always thought chairman was like the chair manager, the manage the manager of the the chair, and uh rather than actually a man. 00:23:33.920 --> 00:23:36.559 Um so there's all those sort of things. 00:23:36.640 --> 00:23:44.240 I think if for those living in Sydney, there was there's been multiple pushes to change the name of the suburb Blacktown. 00:23:44.640 --> 00:23:45.200 Yes. 00:23:45.440 --> 00:23:50.559 Um, I just you know, does white city tennis courts have to be changed as well? 00:23:50.720 --> 00:23:51.839 Um I don't know. 00:23:52.000 --> 00:23:54.000 Um White Bay container terminal. 00:23:54.079 --> 00:23:55.839 Do we need to change that name? 00:23:56.000 --> 00:23:56.160 Yeah. 00:23:56.319 --> 00:24:00.240 Um, and at what point do we just say, oh, we've just gone way too far? 00:24:00.480 --> 00:24:12.319 Yeah, there's no spokesman or spokeswoman that's spokespersons, and um, it's just yeah, I think we've sometimes we've we've gone a bit too far with that sort of and actors, they're not actors and actresses anymore. 00:24:12.559 --> 00:24:13.440 Everyone's an actor. 00:24:13.759 --> 00:24:27.519 I I do I do make that mistake quite often, but then you'll hear, you know, on tonight shows where you'll hear an actor slash actress refer to themselves as an actor or actress, and I think, have any lines actually been officially drawn? 00:24:27.599 --> 00:24:28.240

I don't know. 00:24:28.400 --> 00:24:52.079 Uh even back into the the bad old days where sport and things like cigarette advertising and sex as beer ads and like the diet coke ads and all where, you know, you would have Elle McPherson walking up the beach because it was, you know, the you got the the slim-looking girl who's drinking the tab, and then you got the the angry girlfriend, you know, kicking Sandy in the face or the boyfriend because he's ogling at Elle McPherson. 00:24:52.319 --> 00:24:57.920 I'd think, oh, it the ants pants ad where the ants are crawling up the legs of the store wearing the undies. 00:24:58.079 --> 00:25:01.599 I'm thinking there's a lot, and you just don't see it, or do you? 00:25:01.759 --> 00:25:02.480 I don't know. 00:25:02.720 --> 00:25:04.000 Uh no, you don't see it anymore. 00:25:04.240 --> 00:25:04.960 Don't see it anymore. 00:25:05.119 --> 00:25:20.480 No, and but I remember there was a there was an episode of Little House on the Prairie where they used and what Michael Landon, who was the dad, obviously, said in one of those episodes, the only good Indian is a dead Indian. 00:25:20.720 --> 00:25:28.559 Oh in one of the and that was like at the time, no one we didn't you know no one said anything. 00:25:28.720 --> 00:25:30.880 No, and obviously that's offensive. 00:25:31.039 --> 00:25:32.799 That's hugely offensive. 00:25:32.960 --> 00:25:36.880 But that was the language that was being used uh in those sorts of things. 00:25:36.960 --> 00:25:38.880 And and what about, you know, Dr. 00:25:38.960 --> 00:25:39.359 Zeus? 00:25:39.440 --> 00:25:47.279 We grew up with that, ongoing discussions about uh minstrel shows and the cat and the hat and all those sorts of things that were uh were used in Doc's Dr. 00:25:47.440 --> 00:25:48.079 Zeus. 00:25:48.319 --> 00:26:00.880 Um in Peter Pan, in the movie Peter Pan by JM Barry, the Neverland tribe of native Native Americans is just uh uh depicted as highly offensive cartoonish stereotypes. 00:26:01.759 --> 00:26:09.440 And it's and even even Willie Wonka, the Umpalumpas, you know, were portrayed as enslaved African pygmies. 00:26:09.519 --> 00:26:26.400 I mean, like these things, we just grew up with this thing, and it didn't I didn't think any less of, you know, um uh people with uh shorter people, I didn't think anything less of them, I didn't think anything less of Indian people in Little House on the Prairie. 00:26:26.480 --> 00:26:29.920 And it was just it was the language that was used. 00:26:30.160 --> 00:26:34.480 And yes, it's offensive, of course it is, but we know that now. 00:26:34.720 --> 00:26:34.960 Yeah. 00:26:35.119 --> 00:26:38.960 Um you look at you look at naughty and big ears. 00:26:39.200 --> 00:26:46.640 Yeah, now we all know like outrage, let's get the books off the shelves because we know what's going on between naughty and big ears, don't we? 00:26:46.880 --> 00:26:53.599 And I'm thinking, oh my goodness, and then the flower pot people on television, well, we know that little was going on there. 00:26:53.839 --> 00:26:55.200 Oh, little weed. 00:26:55.440 --> 00:26:56.240 Little weed. 00:26:56.480 --> 00:27:00.319 I think there was a little weed apparently going on there for some reason. 00:27:00.559 --> 00:27:14.400 But if you need to look any further, for those that may remember the TV show HR Puff and stuff, I don't know what they were on when they were actually writing those shows, but I think I think there was inference of something there because Wichie Pooh. 00:27:15.440 --> 00:27:18.720 Oh Wichie Pooh and and the flute, the magic flute. 00:27:18.960 --> 00:27:23.039 I mean, that was that flute was definitely part of the LGBTH plus. 00:27:23.839 --> 00:27:25.359 I think there was a lot going on. 00:27:25.599 --> 00:27:26.480 Yeah, yeah. 00:27:26.720 --> 00:27:27.759 Oh, it's funny, isn't it? 00:27:27.839 --> 00:27:36.640 It's funny, but and as I said, like a lot of you know, and in no way, shape or form are we endorsing any of these terms as uh as as being okay. 00:27:36.799 --> 00:27:40.960 They were not okay, but they were the language at the time. 00:27:41.279 --> 00:27:58.400 And thank goodness we've moved forward now that we don't use that language and we recognize it and we've all moved on and and treat people, hopefully treating everybody with the same amount of respect and not judging people based on their sexual preference or their or their religion or their race. 00:27:58.640 --> 00:28:00.960 Hopefully we don't do that anymore. 00:28:01.200 --> 00:28:04.799 Yeah, but but all that political stuff, it was what it was. 00:28:05.039 --> 00:28:05.279 Yeah. 00:28:05.359 --> 00:28:09.599 I I just want to finish up on this, and I'm interesting to know what you think of it. 00:28:09.839 --> 00:28:18.720 But I know there's your Cleos and your Playboys, because you'd you'd have your uh your Cleo Centifold. 00:28:18.880 --> 00:28:23.839 But I mean you used to have the page three girls on the in the daily papers as well. 00:28:24.319 --> 00:28:30.720 Yeah, in a bikini wearing hardly anything, and then thank goodness Cleo came out with the Jack Thompson Centifold. 00:28:30.880 --> 00:28:31.200 Yeah. 00:28:31.359 --> 00:28:33.599 Um, and I I thought that was fantastic. 00:28:33.680 --> 00:28:47.839 I thought that was so you know classic 70s to have a um a man in a centerfold of a magazine when you after all these years of Playboy and penthouse and so who takes still who takes the moral high ground there? 00:28:47.920 --> 00:28:50.559 Like, do you say, okay, well, because you're doing it, we can do it. 00:28:50.720 --> 00:28:52.240 I just don't know where to go with that. 00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:58.400 There is no moral high ground sometimes, particularly if you decide to throw the second punch, because that's sometimes worse, isn't it? 00:28:58.559 --> 00:28:59.279 Yeah, that's right. 00:28:59.440 --> 00:29:00.000 Exactly. 00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:03.119 Yeah, it's been an interesting podcast today, hasn't it? 00:29:03.200 --> 00:29:08.000 We've explored a lot of um a lot of our growing up years and and yeah. 00:29:08.319 --> 00:29:10.400 And once again, we've only just scratched the surface. 00:29:10.559 --> 00:29:10.960 Yeah. 00:29:11.279 --> 00:29:11.839 Yeah, okay. 00:29:11.920 --> 00:29:16.160 Well, you better go and get bet your Jack Thompson issue, which I know you've kept in the cupboard somewhere. 00:29:16.400 --> 00:29:16.880 Absolutely, I have. 00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:20.799 My word, it's it's yes, and you've got your Playboy somewhere. 00:29:21.200 --> 00:29:22.720 Uh yeah, okay. 00:29:22.799 --> 00:29:22.960 Bye. 00:29:23.200 --> 00:29:24.400 Yeah, okay, see ya. 00:29:26.240 --> 00:29:31.680 The views and opinions expressed on the Big 6-0 are personal and reflect those of the hosts and guests. 00:29:31.839 --> 00:29:36.720 They do not represent the views or positions of any affiliated organizations or companies. 00:29:36.880 --> 00:29:43.680 This podcast is intended for informational and entertainment purposes only and should not be construed as professional advice. 00:29:43.839 --> 00:29:48.319 Please consult with a qualified professional for guidance on any personal matters. 00:29:50.079 --> 00:29:54.160 Oh, and before we go, let's give credit where credit is due. 00:29:54.400 --> 00:29:58.319 Kayleigh Harris and I came up with all the genius content for this week's episode. 00:29:58.559 --> 00:30:00.559 Our producer, Nick Abood. 00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:05.599 Well, he keeps the lights on and makes sure we don't accidentally upload a cat video instead of a podcast. 00:30:05.920 --> 00:30:08.160 So thanks for keeping us on track, Nick. 00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:09.440 Nick. 00:30:10.480 --> 00:30:11.039 Nick!