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The nice thing about this is it does recon by default.
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You don't have to configure it to start looking for networks and grabbing handshakes.
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It just does that.
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So you don't have to start, you don't have to really know a whole lot about where you're going.
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It just, it'll just do it.
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Got him.
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Come on, Cam.
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You are listening to the audit presented by IT Audit Labs.
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I'm your co-host and producer, Joshua Schmidt.
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Today we are joined by the usual suspects, Nick Mellum coming from Texas, and Eric Brown in the captain's seat of the IT Audit Labs studio.
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And today our guest is IT Audit Labs member, Cameron Birkland.
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We're talking about parenting, and you served this up.
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We had a story that you shared with us today.
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Um, wanna did you want to read this here?
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Yeah.
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So apparently a guy who works for a large but unnamed company has a nine-year-old son.
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The son wanted to do some advertising or some videos that um that he had made, I think, on on YouTube.
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And so he, you know, he went to his dad and said, Hey, I want to do this.
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And the dad said, Okay, well, let's put five dollars towards the ad campaign.
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And then maybe a week later he gets called into HR at work.
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And apparently he had run up a credit card bill of $118,000.
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Uh because his nine-year-old then hit had watched how his dad set up the ad campaign and set up a few campaigns of his own, some 30-minute ads on YouTube, and that wasn't wasn't cheap.
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Um, but the the gist of it was it turns out that the dad had saved his work credit card into his uh his Google account.
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The the latest update was that the dad didn't know if he was gonna retain his job or not.
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Probably not.
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Probably.
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Oof.
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That's a rough one.
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Yeah.
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It's an expensive lesson learned.
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Like, you know, one, why is he saving company credit cards into his personal account?
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And then two, why is he letting his kid into his account?
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I think this is something we actually see pretty regularly.
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So Google Chrome, browser most people use, integrates pretty tightly with your Google account.
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So when you go to log into Gmail, it'll ask, do you want to sign into Chrome too?
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So people on their work computer will go to check their personal email, then it signs in their Chrome browser at work into their personal account, then that syncs back and forth between their work and personal computer.
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I don't know for sure if that's what happened here, but it just sounds so familiar.
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And then you're sending, you're you're potentially syncing Google Drive and work documents are headed into your personal drive.
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Yep.
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It's all it's the the credit cards, the passwords, the everything, autofill.
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It's all syncing between your work and personal devices.
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I I don't know how I feel about a nine-year-old having unfettered access to YouTube ad campaigns, even with a little bit of oversight.
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Uh it's kind of my school of thought that nine-year-olds shouldn't be left alone on the internet.
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Call me old school, but we've had enough people and guests on the podcast talking about this now, giving us advice uh of just, hey, do not let the kids be in a room alone with the computer, especially if it's connected to the internet.
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Um, you know, please, there's no such thing as privacy for minors online.
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You need to be monitoring your child's um activity because you know, there's just so many nefarious actors online.
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I think the statistic that stuck with me the most was from Andre Champagne.
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He was the forensics investigator for Cook County in Illinois.
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And he, I think the uh stat was in any at any given time in the state of Illinois, there are 17,000 um child, child predators online at any given time.
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So extrapolate that out to the rest of the United States and then again to the world.
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What I would hope for, I guess, is that Alphabet would come in here and and you know, back some of this out of the way.
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Do the right thing.
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Well, you know, also their onus is kind of on them too as well.
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It's like, hey, you guys, how is this even possible to, you know, you know, not doing age checks or you know, you must you you have to have some sort of an age check or like restriction on this.
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I mean, wasn't there a warning at 50,000?
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That's what I was gonna ask.
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How does it get to $118,000 with no notification?
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I don't know.
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Load full transcript
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But we've got another article too that maybe we dig into next time.
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And and we ought to do a little studio testing here, Cam.
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But the LG TVs apparently are just recording ramp.
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I mean, we knew this though, right?
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Like I don't know how this is news, but they're recording even apparently when they are quote unquote off, and then they're storing the information and they're and they're really um vigilant about getting the data off of the machine, port hopping and whatnot, so it's hard to block them.
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But uh that might be an interesting to do a little lab work here and actually see if we can watch it.
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Well, let's let our uh live viewers know what we're talking about here.
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LGTB caught spying even when offline or on standby.
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Gamer Nexus gives you another reason to never connect your smart TV to the internet.
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I think that's a little overboard, but Cameron was supposed to be on last week and he was a little busy taking care of some business.
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What kind of business was he taking care of?
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Well, you have to ask him.
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Oh, see, Cam, what were you taking care of?
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You ditched us.
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It was something that was more important than the podcast, unfortunately.
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Oh there it was.
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There you heard your first folks.
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We're not important enough for Cam.
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Cam, you brought this up last week.
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I'm trying to find one without a pop-up because I don't like I can't have my VPN on when uh when we're doing the podcast.
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Otherwise, I'm gonna be dropping in and out like Nick over there.
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But um how how did this come across to your your your news feed?
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And what do you think about this?
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Yeah, this started popping up on social media like uh when I want to say one week ago, maybe two at the most.
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Um Gamers Nexus is a YouTube channel.
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They kind of like uh they like exposing things like digging into the truth, kind of an investigative journalism kind of work, and they focused in on LG TVs.
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I want to say first and foremost that I don't think LG is the only company doing this.
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Um this is probably pretty normal.
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However, LG is the brand that they picked to really dig into, and they found some really interesting things.
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Uh basically, what
what they found is it is it is listening all the time, and and that what it's picking up of your voice does get translated into text inside the TV.
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So the the the kind of thought process there is if somebody had access to your TV, say a threat actor, they could see in plain text what you're saying in front of the TV.
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And it doesn't matter if the microphone's muted or not.
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A lot of TVs have a little switch at the bottom to make you feel better about, you know, you can mute the microphone, prevent it from activating, but it doesn't actually stop it from listening.
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You know, what what what are the ramifications of someone, you know, it's probably about building that bigger social profile if you really wanted to target somebody, right?
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Like if you really wanted to target a high net worth individual, for example, and you could start to socially gather details.
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Trevor Burrus, Jr.
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Like a Minnesota Viking, like we talked about, I think it was last year or the year before.
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Yes.
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Dallas Turner got fleeced for like 140k or something like that.
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You know, speaking of high net worth individuals, I I heard an interesting stat the other day that we're talking a little bit about social media, but Mark Zuckerberg, I think his security detail is like 90 people, right?
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Billionaire guy.
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Um Warren Buffett, zero.
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Also billionaire, but different businesses.
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Trevor Burrus, Jr.
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More respected than the Zuck, though, I think.
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Yeah.
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People would like to troll troll Zuckerberg a lot more than Warren Buffett.
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Right.
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Are you smiling on the camera, Josh?
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I am.
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Okay, good.
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And you know, I think Warren Buffett probably lives a little bit of a different lifestyle than Mark Zuckerberg.
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Probably.
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He's not out there doing jujitsu, you know, in San Francisco and rolling around in Lamborghinis and stuff.
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I think he still does he still live in Omaha in the Bronx?
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Yeah.
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Okay, well, there you go.
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I always thought about that.
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You know, if one remember back in the day when it was like, well, I mean, this still happens, like the paparazzi and stuff, and it'd be like Britney with her shaved head and stuff like that.
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It's like she's still going out the deep end.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Hey Crazy Brittany.
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Hey, I got an idea.
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Why don't you move the hell out of Hollywood?
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Yeah.
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Should shouldn't everybody have a right to be wherever they want to be?
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I don't think people have a right to be where they want to be.
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I mean, I think they have the freedom to move about freely.
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But uh, I mean, you know, it's it's get people are just trying to make some money out there, you know.
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They snap a picture.
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It's like you don't think people have the right to be where they want to be, Josh?
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Well well now we're getting into the hard-hitting stuff here.
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Josh, maybe you want to go over to Iran.
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I want to be on the moon, but I don't have a right to be there, you know.
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Who's to tell you you can't?
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If you build a rocket, you could go to the moon.
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I mean, everybody has a right to a a peaceful existence, maybe, but like, yeah, I don't know.
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Like you're brought you you're you know, public figure.
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I don't know.
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I have no idea what that's like, but I I just think if I were Britney in 1997, I'd be getting the hell out of Hollywood, is all I'm saying.
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Maybe maybe on one hand she liked the attention.
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Oh, that's gotta be it.
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Yeah, yeah.
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It's like Zuckerberg, maybe he likes having an entourage because that's the only way he can have friends.
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Feels important.
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Pineapple pager.
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We've been uh wanting to talk about this for a while.
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Yep.
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Eric's got one, Cameron's got one.
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Do you want to show that to the camera?
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Like, do the whole yeah, there you go.
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I'm not cool enough to have one.
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No.
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No, Eric bought Cameron's for for him, and uh, we still haven't got one yet.
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So I don't know what's going on there, but uh when we hit a hundred thousand downloads, then you get one.
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Then you get one.
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We've already passed a hundred thousand downloads.
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No, no, I haven't okay.
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Here's the pineapple pager.
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Cameron, give us a little overview, tell us what it does, tell us what people are using this for.
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All right, so the pineapple pager, or I'm gonna say uh Wi-Fi Pineapple has been around for quite a while now, but it's always been a Wi-Fi reconnaissance and kind of hacking tool, and it's gone through many um revisions, many different generations, and this is the most recent.
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This is kind of the culmination of the series of Wi-Fi pineapples.
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This thing packs a lot of power into a small form factor.
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One of the biggest things that it's recently come out with is it can do Wi-Fi 6 now.
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Um, previous generations of Wi-Fi Pineapple could not do six gigahertz, but this thing can support Wi-Fi 6E.
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There's one downside, and that all of the Wi-Fi pineapples and actually any Wi-Fi pen testing tool nowadays has the same problem is it can't touch WPA3 networks.
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You mentioned Wi-Fi 6, right?
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Which you're talking about true Wi-Fi 6, WPA3, but the Wi-Fi 7 standard is actually Wi-Fi 6, is it not?
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I know so Wi-Fi 6 is still 5 gigahertz and Wi-Fi 6E is 6 gigahertz.
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So that's a small correction.
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There it is, yeah.
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6E is 6 gigahertz as well as 7.
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So the Wi-Fi, what they call Wi-Fi 7 is actually 6E, I think.
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Yeah.
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Or or yeah, is it 5G E.
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It's a false advertisement.
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It it kind of is.
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Yeah.
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This pager though is is really new though, right, Camp?
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Didn't it just come out like within the last year?
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Yep.
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It's uh it's the newest tool.
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After DEF CON or something?
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Yeah, something like that.
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It's the newest tool for Mac 5 um in the Wi-Fi Pineapple series.
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So it's not a pager, actually.
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I mean, well for people that were born post 9-11 like yourself.
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Um pre.
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Oh, okay.
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Okay, you're OG.
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2000.
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Okay.
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All right.
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I was like, yeah, I was getting ready to go to college.
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But so if you remember the movie like Hackers, or if you were alive during the 80s and 90s, um, if you were a high octane business professional, you had a pager, right?
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I'm sure Eric had one, right?
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I did, I'm sure you were rocking the pager.
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For sure.
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I I I never actually had the beeping pager, you know, like where the kind of just sends the little message.
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Never had that.
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The first one I had was the BlackBerry Rim, and it might have even been before Blackberry had it.
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No, I think it was the Blackberry Rim 960 or 950, where it was this pager form factor, and it had a full keyboard on it.
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So you could do um, you could do email and texting over the thing.
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With that pager, you you could text a number or email a number, and then it would make a phone call and then transcribe what you had said into voice.
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And people were using these to hack and stuff.
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Because like I remember back in the early hacker days, like people were hacking using payphones, um, pagers.
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Oh, yeah, yeah.
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This was the early hacker tool.
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That was freaking.
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Freaking, right, yeah, on the phone.
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Um, where you could like you know, I think on the movie hackers, like if you could get the dial to tones of the buttons and then you could put those into the uh the mouthpiece of the phone and and get through to certain certain areas.
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You could play those tones back.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And then there was a paper clip trick where if you put the the paper clip into the mouthpiece of the receiver and held it up to the phone, like touched it, kind of shorted the connection out, you could make a free call.
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Okay.
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So we evolved, you know, this this whole like idea of hacking with a little tool, I think, is carried on over to the pineapple pager, right?
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Because it's not actually a pager, but it's that the point is it's a little fun tool.
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Yeah.
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So this this is a total callback to those days.
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And it's actually designed very specifically after the like an the old Motorola advisor pager.
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I get I can't show it, but it looks like just like it.
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I'll find I'll find it for you.
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So keep going.
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Tell us, yeah.
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So I mean hackers like these uh these little gadgets I've noticed.
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Right?
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I mean, it kind of stems back from what we were talking about with the freaking and the pagers.
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The thing about what this can do is you can actually do pretty much anything the pineapple can do using your own hardware.
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But the nice thing about this is it it's built to do all this so easily with an easy-to-use interface.
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Right?
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Like it's got a color screen.
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You can scroll around, you can download some payloads and just execute them.
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That's what makes these uh so useful.
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And like this, the Pineapple pager, for example, right out of the box, it's already scanning your Wi-Fi networks and collecting handshakes where it can.
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Um, one of the problems I've ran into, of course, nowadays is um a lot of networks are WPA3.
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There's still a ton of backwards compatibility with WPA2, but pretty much all modern devices are defaulting to that stronger encryption method.
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So this thing isn't quite catching quite as much as it could have maybe a year or two ago.
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But I've still still caught like at least one handshake at home just off of my own uh you know legacy network that I have to have set up for like the the doorbell camera and whatnot.
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So maybe a little um intro to Wi-Fi, just 30-second overview, which is something interesting about how Wi-Fi works and how uh and and why we're able to or used to be able to catch these handshakes before WPA3 with Wi-Fi devices, your your your phone or your computer, um, they're always if they're not connected to a Wi-Fi network and Wi-Fi is turned on, they're always trying to connect to a Wi-Fi network.
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Kind of like the LGTV.
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Kind of like the LGDV, yeah.
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So they're they're always beaconing out, um, for example, like let's say you connected to a Starbucks Wi-Fi network, and then you connect it to your home network, and then you were at work and you connected to the work network.
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So you've got those three networks in your Wi-Fi history.
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And then you go, say, to um a restaurant and you're gonna watch the football game and bring your laptop out to a little work.
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Well, when you when you open up your laptop and if Wi-Fi is enabled, it's gonna try to reach out to those three networks, because those three networks are in its history, if you haven't cleared its history, and it's gonna say, you know, home network, are you there?
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Work network, are you there, or Starbucks network, are you there?
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And because those three networks aren't there, they're it's they're not gonna get a response.
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Now, where the Wi-Fi pineapple comes into play is the Wi-Fi pineapple, if there's uh a device like the pineapple running in the environment, when the Starbucks beacons out, so says, Starbucks, are you there?
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The Wi-Fi pineapple is gonna say, why, yes, I am.
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And it's going to purport to be the Starbucks network or the restaurant network or whatever other network, your home network.
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So if you were, say, at Starbucks and you were connected to your home network, right?
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Like if you looked and you're like, oh, it says, you know, I'm on Nick's home network, right?
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If that was the name of Nick's home Wi-Fi, or, you know, or if it was Mr.
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Miyagi or whatever, whatever the network is, um, it's going to, you're like, well, how could I be connected to Mr.
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Miyagi, my home network, but I'm not at home?
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Well, because there's a device that is replaying that wireless signal and kind of quote unquote tricking you into connecting to that network.
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And then once you connect, now it's acting as a device that's the term is man in the middle, where then it could pass that connection on to the internet.
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It could serve up a fake web page, like your, you know, your Facebook page, so that when you log into it, it captures the creds.
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Like you could start to do lots of manipulation with that traffic once you have a device um in the middle intercepting that traffic.
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So that's kind of the how Wi-Fi attacks are able to work.
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And then there's things called war driving, where um, you know, back when Wi-Fi was was kind of new, people would go around and collect Wi-Fi networks.
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And, you know, it's like a radio in a Pringles can.
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So you could get, you know, you didn't have to be right up on somebody's house.
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You could drive by a business, their house, whatever.
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And you're just collecting all of these handshakes and the names of these wireless networks.
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And then the more handshakes that you have, you could just apply, um, you could you could start to decrypt them and use computers that could could um you know had a lot of CPU and could work on the decryption so that you could the the next time you were in that area, likely they hadn't changed the wireless password, and you could then um connect to that network.
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So some of the the security work, like if you're if you're going to do a pen test, one of the things that you could do is you could sit
in the parking lot and connect to that company's Wi-Fi network after hours as a vector or a way into that business.
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You could also drop something like this with a solar power source in the bushes outside of the business and capture a bunch of those handshakes and come back later and crack them and lots of different things you can do.
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Now that's a lot harder to do with um Wi-Fi 3.
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And the there used to be in there, I'm sure there still is, I just don't remember the name of the site off the top of my head, but people would post the names of all of the different Wi-Fi networks and the handshakes that they got and the location of those networks into this kind of massive online database's website that you could go to.
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And if you're like, oh, you know, I want to go to IT Autolabs and what's their wireless password?
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And you you know, you could you could do that to to do fun or malicious things against that business for whatever reason.
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But Cam, that that's kind of out of favor now with Wi-Fi three because you can't do that as easily with Wi-Fi 3.
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Yep.
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So you can still, you know, go war driving, right?
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You can still this thing has a GPS module that they sell on Hack5's website.
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Last I checked, it was out of stock, fortunately.
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But you can run around with this thing and start collecting GPS coordinates and network names and information.
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And if if it so happens that it's a network that's vulnerable, it can collect handshakes from that too.
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And the website I think you're talking about was wiggle.net.
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That's it.
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It's W I G L E.
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And this thing actually does integrate.
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With Wiggle.
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You can put this thing in wiggle mode.
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Haven't done that.
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But it's still something that people do regularly.
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They'll just drive around with a GPS and a big Wi-Fi antenna and just collect up all the networks around.
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And so if you're going to be, you know, using this not as a hacker, but as maybe a whitehead hacker or as a security researcher, then um how how would you approach?
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I'm assuming that's what you guys use it for.
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And and how how does that kind of help you understand where attack factors are, or is it just kind of a fun thing to use?
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But it's kind of it can be both.
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Yeah.
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Um it's
it is fun to use.
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It makes it makes the process of like hacking into Wi-Fi networks to the point where you don't fully need to understand it.
00:22:47.119 --> 00:22:55.359
I mean, you'll you'll get to know it as you use it, but as far as um like white hat stuff goes, this is pretty good for that.
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This is like if you're doing a kind of a physical vulnerability assessment, let's say, this is a pretty simple way for to be able to say, like, yeah, your network's vulnerable to these basic attacks.
00:23:08.000 --> 00:23:11.359
Because this little pager size device can exploit them.
00:23:12.400 --> 00:23:17.519
So can you walk us through like you you get it, you're you're gonna do some researching, some security research.
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What what are you what are the first couple of things you're gonna do to learn to learn more?
00:23:20.799 --> 00:23:25.920
Yeah, so basically the the nice thing about this is it does recon by default.
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You don't have to configure it to start looking for networks and grabbing handshakes.
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It just does that.
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So you don't have to start, you don't have to really know a whole lot about where you're going.
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It just it'll just do it.
00:23:39.680 --> 00:23:42.400
Eric, have you been using yours to do any security research?
00:23:42.400 --> 00:23:46.480
I took mine out to the state fair and got a bunch of a bunch of handshakes.
00:23:46.720 --> 00:23:52.559
Yeah, it the the the downside of it though was um it it fills up really fast.
00:23:52.559 --> 00:24:06.240
For whatever reason, the the one that just the default um Pine AP that it installs with, I think has a limit of 64 um in the SSID pool.
00:24:06.240 --> 00:24:20.880
So you can um you can increase that through other applications that you know somebody I think somebody has written one that would increase the the size of that pool, but I'm looking at it now.
00:24:20.880 --> 00:24:33.680
I've got 64 in that Wi-Fi pool, and there's names like John Tran 2021 ATT Wi-Fi B N.
00:24:33.680 --> 00:24:36.960
I mean, there's this there's Love Shack.
00:24:36.960 --> 00:24:38.319
Oh boy.
00:24:38.319 --> 00:24:40.240
I wonder if that's Caleb's.
00:24:40.240 --> 00:24:49.599
Yeah, so it's uh it's interesting because you can just kind of flip through and see all of them, and then if you go to a different place, it would be picking up.
00:24:49.599 --> 00:24:55.839
And this is probably picking up from maybe cars that were driving by the uh the building or whatever.
00:24:56.240 --> 00:24:57.279
So well then what?
00:24:57.279 --> 00:25:00.000
So then you you get these handshakes, but then what?
00:25:01.039 --> 00:25:06.319
So and I I believe what we're picking up here is um probing requests.
00:25:06.319 --> 00:25:16.319
Like when the when the devices are turned on, they look for the networks
that they want to connect to and start sending out you know packets out into the air.
00:25:16.319 --> 00:25:18.319
Is this network here?
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And the the pineapple starts collecting those.
00:25:21.920 --> 00:25:27.680
Now by default, it's not going to pretend to be those networks, you have to turn that on.
00:25:27.680 --> 00:25:35.279
But the next step is saying, Yes, this is your enterprise network, go ahead and connect.
00:25:35.279 --> 00:25:35.759
Uh-huh.
00:25:35.759 --> 00:25:36.160
Right.
00:25:36.160 --> 00:25:39.599
Setting up a spoof page or a Facebook login to get credentials or something.
00:25:39.599 --> 00:25:49.759
Yeah, and then and then yeah, once you get a device to actually connect to your fake network, then you're you're pretty open as to what you can do from there.
00:25:50.160 --> 00:25:50.559
Gotcha.
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It it's kind of a fun demo to do, like if you go into an organization and then you're just, you know, you're able to just show on the screen as part of like a you know, security awareness training or whatever.
00:26:02.000 --> 00:26:09.279
Um on people's devices they've connected to lots of different networks.
00:26:09.279 --> 00:26:17.279
So when you put up somebody's home network on there, like you Love Shack or what it was this one, C Tuck Run.
00:26:17.279 --> 00:26:22.319
Um uh they're like, wow, you just hacked me.
00:26:24.960 --> 00:26:30.000
You could go to uh you can go to a client site and do the do the war driving, like uh what is it, the wiggle?
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You know, let them know what's available from the from the parking lot, war wigglers.
00:26:34.880 --> 00:26:35.680
War wiggler.
00:26:35.680 --> 00:26:36.000
Yeah.
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War wiggler.
00:26:38.079 --> 00:26:39.359
Well, we're running low on time.
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Do we have anything else we want to talk about with the pineapple pager?
00:26:42.000 --> 00:26:44.000
Otherwise, I got a I got an outro now.
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We're gonna do an outro segment.
00:26:45.359 --> 00:26:46.240
Oh, interesting.
00:26:46.240 --> 00:26:47.920
It's called Eric Reacts.
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Eric Reacts.
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I'm looking forward to this new segment.
00:26:50.880 --> 00:26:54.880
This is something I want to I've seen before and I wanted to share with you here.
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Squatching.
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No, no, no, no.
00:26:57.599 --> 00:26:58.960
So this guy's coming in.
00:26:59.200 --> 00:27:00.960
Okay, yeah, he's got he got a good slip coming in.
00:27:00.960 --> 00:27:02.400
Aggressive angle there.
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He's coming in.
00:27:03.519 --> 00:27:06.559
The wind is at a crosswind to the runway, right?
00:27:06.559 --> 00:27:09.519
So you can see the plane's nose is pointed into the wind.
00:27:09.519 --> 00:27:11.039
Last minute, right?
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Maybe
the last 50 feet, he's gonna kick it straight, aim down the runway, didn't quite get it straight.
00:27:16.079 --> 00:27:18.400
But yeah, planes land and take off into the wind.
00:27:18.400 --> 00:27:20.559
So uh I don't see anything wrong with this one.
00:27:20.559 --> 00:27:23.200
It's a little aggressive from the the crosswind.
00:27:23.200 --> 00:27:25.440
He's probably got like a 30-knot crosswind here.
00:27:25.440 --> 00:27:27.839
So so have you have you made a landing like that before?
00:27:27.839 --> 00:27:29.039
Oh, all the time.
00:27:29.039 --> 00:27:30.400
Oh my god.
00:27:30.400 --> 00:27:36.799
Once watch when he gets low here, when he gets about treetop height, the wind is gonna shift right there.
00:27:36.799 --> 00:27:38.000
You just saw it.
00:27:38.000 --> 00:27:38.400
Uh-huh.
00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:42.400
Um, and now he's gonna he just didn't put enough left pedal in there.
00:27:42.400 --> 00:27:42.880
Okay.
00:27:42.880 --> 00:27:45.920
We're we'll go out, you know, Josh, and we'll do some of these.
00:27:46.079 --> 00:27:46.720
Oh my God.
00:27:46.799 --> 00:27:47.440
I don't know, man.
00:27:47.440 --> 00:27:49.359
You might have to have a barfeg ready to go for that.
00:27:49.359 --> 00:27:52.000
But I mean, you're not gonna feel anything.
00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:54.319
You're just gonna be you're gonna be looking out the window.
00:27:55.279 --> 00:28:00.960
When I'm pointing sideways, looking down the runway out of my right window, I'm gonna feel something.
00:28:02.720 --> 00:28:04.400
Don't look out the window.
00:28:05.279 --> 00:28:09.759
We're coming in for a landing and the point plane's pointing at a 45-degree angle to the runway.
00:28:10.000 --> 00:28:25.680
So then what you do when you get low, you're gonna push, you're gonna push on the pedal, straighten it out, uh, and then you're going to put the wing that is the upwind wing, you're gonna land that wheel first, and then you're just gonna ride it out, touch the other one down.
00:28:25.680 --> 00:28:27.119
It's a crosswind landing.
00:28:27.119 --> 00:28:29.839
You gotta do them to even get your pilot license.
00:28:30.720 --> 00:28:33.200
Did everybody watch the Netflix documentary about Boeing?
00:28:33.200 --> 00:28:34.480
I need to.
00:28:34.640 --> 00:28:37.599
I need to watch the other one, the the Trump hide and go seek one, too.
00:28:37.599 --> 00:28:38.240
I gotta watch that one.
00:28:38.240 --> 00:28:39.200
I haven't watched that one yet.
00:28:39.200 --> 00:28:39.759
I don't know.
00:28:39.759 --> 00:28:41.599
Was that the only Reacts video?
00:28:41.599 --> 00:28:41.920
Yeah.
00:28:41.920 --> 00:28:42.640
Oh, just one.
00:28:42.640 --> 00:28:43.519
We can do more.
00:28:43.519 --> 00:28:44.799
We gotta get more of these.
00:28:45.200 --> 00:28:45.839
He'd like that.
00:28:45.839 --> 00:28:46.960
I was getting excited.
00:28:46.960 --> 00:28:50.079
You never know when you're gonna hit him with a squatching video.
00:28:50.079 --> 00:28:53.440
All right.
00:28:53.440 --> 00:28:54.960
That was a fun one, guys.
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