النص الكامل لحلقة Parapsychology

--> 00:02:33.280 lot of people over time have lost just because I 37 00:02:33.319 --> 00:02:37.879 mean if obviously back then society was very different, culture 38 00:02:37.919 --> 00:02:40.520 is very different. Yes, so it was like an instinct 39 00:02:40.520 --> 00:02:42.240 that they use because if you look at a lot 40 00:02:42.280 --> 00:02:46.479 of animals, they almost since that like they can pick 41 00:02:46.560 --> 00:02:50.479 up on when something pray prayer predators are around, like 42 00:02:50.560 --> 00:02:51.319 scoping them out. 43 00:02:51.520 --> 00:02:53.520 Yeah, so evolutionary thing. 44 00:02:53.719 --> 00:02:57.680 Yeah, So apparently it's been found that because humans have 45 00:02:57.840 --> 00:03:01.240 just evolved to what we are now, a lot of 46 00:03:01.280 --> 00:03:03.840 people have lost that, but that's one of the things 47 00:03:03.879 --> 00:03:07.080 that we kept, and that's why you get that sensation 48 00:03:07.479 --> 00:03:08.560 that you have to look around. 49 00:03:09.039 --> 00:03:12.120 Yeah, and you've had that happen, right, Yes, just everybody. 50 00:03:12.159 --> 00:03:13.879 I think it's just about everybody has. 51 00:03:14.039 --> 00:03:14.240 You know. 52 00:03:14.280 --> 00:03:18.240 It's like you just know somebody's looking at you, you know, 53 00:03:18.240 --> 00:03:19.919 and then you like look over and you catch them 54 00:03:19.960 --> 00:03:24.319 and there's like god, you know, so but yeah, there's 55 00:03:24.479 --> 00:03:30.120 that's that's like within the field of parapsychology, and basically 56 00:03:30.599 --> 00:03:36.479 what parapsychology is is kind of the science behind anomalous 57 00:03:36.599 --> 00:03:41.280 stuff that is kind of right now anyway beyond human understanding. 58 00:03:43.280 --> 00:03:50.879 So things like you know, telepathy, telekinesis, you know, moving 59 00:03:50.879 --> 00:03:57.360 things with your mind, esp consciousness, whether people you know, 60 00:03:57.800 --> 00:04:01.680 survive after death. You know, we go on to another 61 00:04:02.000 --> 00:04:06.080 place after we die. You know, we have a soul, 62 00:04:06.439 --> 00:04:12.639 and within that as well is cont activity, which is 63 00:04:12.680 --> 00:04:16.560 what we're all about. Yes, you know, yeah, it's like, yeah, 64 00:04:16.680 --> 00:04:20.519 let's get to the good stuff. Yeah, but it's all, 65 00:04:20.560 --> 00:04:23.360 like you really think about it, it's all kind of 66 00:04:24.560 --> 00:04:29.199 connected a little bit because even with the ghost stuff 67 00:04:29.360 --> 00:04:32.959 how it's connected. There is like the psychic part of it, 68 00:04:33.040 --> 00:04:37.000 you know, like clairvoyance and precognition and all that kind 69 00:04:37.040 --> 00:04:37.480 of stuff. 70 00:04:37.600 --> 00:04:42.720 This is almost like the overlying umbrella like every other 71 00:04:43.000 --> 00:04:45.199 episode we've ever had, because if you think about how 72 00:04:45.319 --> 00:04:50.759 religion falls under this, like you're saying, psychic mediums, almost 73 00:04:50.879 --> 00:04:55.920 everything we've ever talked about, let's almost fall under this umbrella. 74 00:04:56.240 --> 00:04:58.040 Yeah, it really could. 75 00:05:00.120 --> 00:05:02.800 The things that really don't is like the appointment and 76 00:05:02.800 --> 00:05:05.800 stuff like that. But even then that's almost like a 77 00:05:05.839 --> 00:05:07.839 branch hall because it is. 78 00:05:08.839 --> 00:05:13.240 Yeah, so yeah, it's and it's this field has been 79 00:05:13.279 --> 00:05:18.120 around formally, you know, scientifically. I mean, ghosts have been 80 00:05:18.279 --> 00:05:23.519 reported since Jesus' day probably before that for about one 81 00:05:23.600 --> 00:05:30.199 hundred and fifty years, and there's been like really rigorous 82 00:05:30.199 --> 00:05:35.959 scientific studies done on it at places like Duke University, Princeton, Stanford, 83 00:05:36.800 --> 00:05:43.720 University of Edinburgh. So some like really big eases have 84 00:05:44.360 --> 00:05:48.079 studied these things and collected data on these things. 85 00:05:48.199 --> 00:05:50.279 And I'm glad you said that because that was gonna 86 00:05:50.319 --> 00:05:53.519 be That's my next point is that, yes, this is 87 00:05:53.680 --> 00:05:56.759 a field of study. Yeah, I mean, like you you 88 00:05:56.839 --> 00:05:59.800 have education in it and everything. So it's like you 89 00:06:01.199 --> 00:06:05.519 there is educational fields in this. A lot of university 90 00:06:05.639 --> 00:06:09.680 will say, oh, it's a study that can't it's not 91 00:06:09.720 --> 00:06:14.240 fully scientifically proven, this and that, but for those that 92 00:06:14.360 --> 00:06:20.600 are interested, you can study it. So there's stuff out there. 93 00:06:20.360 --> 00:06:24.120 There's stuff out there for you to even if it's like, oh, 94 00:06:24.560 --> 00:06:28.399 just extracurriculator course, whatever, there's stuff out there. And I'm 95 00:06:28.399 --> 00:06:30.319 glad it's like you brought up some of these bigger 96 00:06:30.399 --> 00:06:33.319 name schools because it's yeah, it's these some of these 97 00:06:33.360 --> 00:06:38.480 schools are offering it and it's maybe so minute, so little, 98 00:06:38.519 --> 00:06:43.360 they're not advertising it as much. But I know another 99 00:06:44.560 --> 00:06:48.319 faults under the umbrella. You can you know, start, you 100 00:06:48.319 --> 00:06:52.000 can find people, find your group in this, and so 101 00:06:52.120 --> 00:06:56.040 it's it's very helpful for those that are really interesting. 102 00:06:56.600 --> 00:06:59.360 Well. Yeah, and the thing is too, is that yes, 103 00:06:59.399 --> 00:07:01.439 here in the US, I'm so glad you brought that up. 104 00:07:01.920 --> 00:07:04.720 Here in the US, we've got the Ryan Research Center, 105 00:07:04.720 --> 00:07:08.040 which used to be the

Parapsychology Lab, and if we 106 00:07:08.120 --> 00:07:09.680 get you know, if we get around to it, if 107 00:07:09.680 --> 00:07:11.720 there's time, I'll talk a little bit about the history 108 00:07:11.720 --> 00:07:18.959 of that. But they offer online classes on esp and precognition, 109 00:07:19.800 --> 00:07:27.839 ghost hunting, parapsychology, research, anthropology of parapsychology. They've got tons 110 00:07:28.600 --> 00:07:31.759 of these classes that you can take online, and they 111 00:07:31.800 --> 00:07:35.560 even have some certifications, so if you want like a 112 00:07:35.600 --> 00:07:40.399 parapsychology certification or you know, I've I've taken their classes 113 00:07:40.399 --> 00:07:45.360 on ghost hunting and parable tech and they're they're good. 114 00:07:45.560 --> 00:07:51.439 They're good classes, they're very practicals. And one question that 115 00:07:51.560 --> 00:07:56.439 I've gotten because I'm actually in the field of parapsychology, 116 00:07:57.040 --> 00:08:01.120 and it's it's kind of a bad news. It's not 117 00:08:01.199 --> 00:08:03.279 a bad news thing. Well there's kind of a little bit, 118 00:08:03.639 --> 00:08:07.120 but I have people that will will message me and say, 119 00:08:07.439 --> 00:08:10.319 how do I become a parapsychologist or how do I 120 00:08:10.399 --> 00:08:15.759 get a degree in parapsychology. Unfortunately, right now, hopefully this 121 00:08:15.800 --> 00:08:18.879 will change at some point, there is no college degree 122 00:08:19.079 --> 00:08:26.000 in parapsychology. So parapsychologists that are around today, what they 123 00:08:26.040 --> 00:08:30.639 have done is they've gotten college degrees, usually in something 124 00:08:30.920 --> 00:08:37.159 like sociology, anthropology, psychology, and as kind of almost a 125 00:08:37.759 --> 00:08:43.879 minor or an add on or something, they take parapsychology 126 00:08:44.320 --> 00:08:50.320 courses kind of within their bigger field of study. In 127 00:08:50.360 --> 00:08:53.840 the US, I don't think we have any any like 128 00:08:54.279 --> 00:09:00.039 really major college programs that even incorporate that in the 129 00:09:00.120 --> 00:09:05.919 UK though they do. My my friend Cal Cooper, I 130 00:09:05.919 --> 00:09:08.200 don't know if he's going to listen to our little podcast. 131 00:09:08.360 --> 00:09:12.159 I've invited him to do a video and he hasn't 132 00:09:12.159 --> 00:09:14.639 gotten around to that. So Cal, if you're listening, you know, 133 00:09:14.759 --> 00:09:22.440 I'm just please. He is a legit parapsychologist, and he 134 00:09:22.559 --> 00:09:27.679 is also a professor at the University of Northampton in 135 00:09:27.840 --> 00:09:32.000 the UK, And I keep wanting to save all my 136 00:09:32.039 --> 00:09:34.840 pennies so I can go to the UK and visit 137 00:09:34.879 --> 00:09:38.159 the University of Northampton and see their parapsychology lab and 138 00:09:38.240 --> 00:09:42.080 visit with my buddy Cal in person. Yeah you want 139 00:09:42.080 --> 00:09:47.000 to come along. Yeah, And they do legit like they've 140 00:09:47.039 --> 00:09:53.399 got oh it's those like sensory deprivation tanks. Yeah, where 141 00:09:53.399 --> 00:09:58.759 they're like lay people in the these like floaty pod 142 00:09:59.080 --> 00:10:02.360 bath thing and I mean he's Cal's got pictures some 143 00:10:02.399 --> 00:10:05.879 stuff on the social media and and do these experiments, 144 00:10:05.960 --> 00:10:10.080 these these like psych psychic experiments and things. I mean, 145 00:10:10.399 --> 00:10:11.559 so it's like legit. 146 00:10:11.759 --> 00:10:15.759 That reminds me, don't don't come after us Netflix, But uh, 147 00:10:16.399 --> 00:10:19.759 the the tank from Stranger Things. 148 00:10:20.279 --> 00:10:23.080 Oh yeah, yeah, stuff like that. 149 00:10:22.440 --> 00:10:25.000 That she goes in and to go into the like 150 00:10:25.039 --> 00:10:27.159 the upside or upside down. 151 00:10:27.279 --> 00:10:33.000 Yes, is that basically what it is? Yes, set, yes, yes, yeah. 152 00:10:33.200 --> 00:10:35.759 I don't come after us Netflix. Did you use use 153 00:10:36.080 --> 00:10:37.240 positive example? 154 00:10:38.399 --> 00:10:41.279 You you you borrowed it from other people. But but 155 00:10:41.360 --> 00:10:45.320 I mean, yeah, it's like cal has done little video 156 00:10:45.360 --> 00:10:47.480 clips a little because he's on TikTok a lot little 157 00:10:47.559 --> 00:10:49.960 video clips in the past of like he's standing there 158 00:10:50.039 --> 00:10:52.200 outside the tank and his like wet suit and stuff 159 00:10:52.200 --> 00:10:54.440 talking about Oh, I'm getting ready to get into the sensory. 160 00:10:55.240 --> 00:10:59.039 It just I nerd out. I mean, it just looks 161 00:10:59.080 --> 00:11:01.480 like the coolest thing the world. And I'm like, I 162 00:11:01.480 --> 00:11:07.240 want your job. But he has a he's in their 163 00:11:07.279 --> 00:11:12.440 psychology department. But they do have kind of almost it's 164 00:11:12.480 --> 00:11:17.159 like a focus in parapsychology there. So they are one 165 00:11:17.200 --> 00:11:19.720 of the few places in the University of Edinburgh in 166 00:11:19.759 --> 00:11:22.639 Scotland as well, so the UK's kind of got it 167 00:11:22.679 --> 00:11:27.240 going on when it comes to the parapsychological studies. The 168 00:11:27.320 --> 00:11:29.919 two guys that I work with here, James Horan and 169 00:11:29.919 --> 00:11:37.840 Brian Laithe we're independent researchers, but we're very heavily involved 170 00:11:37.840 --> 00:11:41.600 in the field, and I don't I'm not a leader 171 00:11:41.679 --> 00:11:47.759 in the field, but Jim or James and Brian they 172 00:11:47.799 --> 00:11:50.879 are there. They're like two of the top parapsychologists in 173 00:11:50.879 --> 00:11:54.799 the US. So I'm kind of like I'm not worthy, 174 00:11:55.159 --> 00:11:57.600 you know, But

thank you guys, thank you for like 175 00:11:58.120 --> 00:12:02.440 pulling me on board and and allowing me to work 176 00:12:02.480 --> 00:12:06.240 with you and participate in studies with you. So but 177 00:12:07.039 --> 00:12:10.720 back to the original question that I get often is that, 178 00:12:11.360 --> 00:12:14.440 you know, how do I become a parapsychologist. You need 179 00:12:14.480 --> 00:12:20.000 to start with another degree and maybe look for universities 180 00:12:20.000 --> 00:12:27.600 abroad like Northampton or University of Edinburgh that can offer 181 00:12:27.720 --> 00:12:30.559 you more. We just and it's so sad because Duke 182 00:12:30.679 --> 00:12:34.639 University and like I said, Princeton had their pair program. 183 00:12:35.559 --> 00:12:38.759 The US government had Projects Stargate because that was like 184 00:12:38.879 --> 00:12:41.519 in the sixties, because we wanted to start we wanted 185 00:12:41.559 --> 00:12:45.159 to like spy on the Soviets and they were They 186 00:12:45.200 --> 00:12:48.679 recruited a bunch of people with these suppose psychic abilities 187 00:12:49.159 --> 00:12:52.799 and to see if they could like use clairvoyance to 188 00:12:52.960 --> 00:12:58.240 like there were psychic spies. And that program was eventually 189 00:12:58.320 --> 00:13:03.000 scuttled because of officially, you know, they said, oh, the 190 00:13:03.039 --> 00:13:07.559 results were inconclusive and they didn't find anything, and I'm like, oh, baloney, 191 00:13:08.039 --> 00:13:12.759 I bet the real stuff is still classified. That's just 192 00:13:12.879 --> 00:13:18.200 my but so yeah, I it would be nice if 193 00:13:18.200 --> 00:13:23.759 we had more here in the US to do this 194 00:13:23.919 --> 00:13:28.720 type of education, but we really don't, which is kind 195 00:13:28.720 --> 00:13:29.440 of too bad. 196 00:13:29.759 --> 00:13:34.320 Yeah, exadly, and I have done some research on that too. 197 00:13:34.360 --> 00:13:38.200 It's I know a lot of places even finding things 198 00:13:38.279 --> 00:13:42.039 in folkal or mythology, like those kind of like educations 199 00:13:42.080 --> 00:13:47.080 even are very like if he got to go somewhere else, 200 00:13:47.679 --> 00:13:52.759 it's the same scenario almost, which it's kind of hard. 201 00:13:53.120 --> 00:13:53.919 That is kind of hard. 202 00:13:53.960 --> 00:13:56.320 Well that's too bad too, because you look at folklore 203 00:13:56.360 --> 00:13:58.360 and mythology and all of that, and I mean that's 204 00:13:58.360 --> 00:13:59.799 really kind of related in a way. 205 00:14:00.279 --> 00:14:03.759 Yeah, it's I mean a lot of it is literature, 206 00:14:04.039 --> 00:14:07.360 so and that's where a lot of people end up going, 207 00:14:07.559 --> 00:14:13.120 is I mean, you look at British literature, Greek mythology, 208 00:14:13.159 --> 00:14:18.639 it's all within like literally the literature side of stuff. 209 00:14:18.799 --> 00:14:22.879 It's it's great, it's great. So I gotta be an 210 00:14:22.919 --> 00:14:27.000 English person and uh tapey typey big use these big 211 00:14:27.000 --> 00:14:27.679 words stuff. 212 00:14:28.679 --> 00:14:31.320 I don't know. I mean, I like to read, but 213 00:14:32.320 --> 00:14:34.639 I don't think I could ever be a literature major. 214 00:14:35.840 --> 00:14:38.360 I mean because for all the really cool stuff you'd 215 00:14:38.360 --> 00:14:41.720 get to read, you'd like have to read ten super 216 00:14:41.879 --> 00:14:42.960 boring things. 217 00:14:43.200 --> 00:14:43.759 Yeah. 218 00:14:44.039 --> 00:14:47.399 I remember it hard. Yeah, it makes me think of 219 00:14:47.440 --> 00:14:51.639 high school. We had to like read some of the classics. 220 00:14:51.759 --> 00:14:54.320 Some of them were okay, some of them were okay, 221 00:14:55.000 --> 00:15:00.879 but some of them, like, oh, I can't even remember Steinbeck. 222 00:15:01.240 --> 00:15:04.600 Forgive me Steinbeck fans out there, but he was like 223 00:15:04.639 --> 00:15:08.080 so extremely boring. I could not even. I could not even. 224 00:15:08.120 --> 00:15:10.360 It's rough. Yeah, but. 225 00:15:13.679 --> 00:15:20.919 That was a little tangent there, but so, yeah, anomalous experiences. 226 00:15:21.159 --> 00:15:23.840 I found a couple of other little trivia things here. 227 00:15:25.039 --> 00:15:30.679 The term ESP wasn't coined until the nineteen thirties. The 228 00:15:30.679 --> 00:15:38.759 word parapsychology literally means beside psychology. Thousands of laboratory side 229 00:15:38.759 --> 00:15:42.559 experiments have been conducted over nearly a century. In the 230 00:15:42.639 --> 00:15:47.399 US government has funded remote viewing research for more than 231 00:15:48.159 --> 00:15:53.159 twenty years. And that's the other thing. I did get 232 00:15:53.159 --> 00:15:55.799 a chance to go to the Rhine Research Center, which 233 00:15:55.919 --> 00:15:59.200 used to be the Duke Parapsychology lab. This is a 234 00:15:59.200 --> 00:16:05.080 few years back, and that was really cool because I 235 00:16:05.120 --> 00:16:10.080 got to go up to their upstairs library, which was 236 00:16:10.679 --> 00:16:14.720 all the studies. I mean, it's a legit. It's small, 237 00:16:15.200 --> 00:16:19.519 but it's a legit library of all of these rigorous 238 00:16:19.799 --> 00:16:29.399 scientific studies done by psychologists and parapsychologists that provide scientific 239 00:16:29.440 --> 00:16:34.399 evidence that psychic abilities are real. And so, you know, 240 00:16:34.440 --> 00:16:37.120 people are like, you know, they kind of poohoo it, 241 00:16:37.360 --> 00:16:41.159 you know, and I'm like, well, you know what, go 242 00:16:41.240 --> 00:16:44.039 to this place, go to this library, and you can 243 00:16:44.120 --> 00:16:46.639 like spend probably a couple of days there reading all 244 00:16:46.679 --> 00:16:52.360 these scientific studies from legit scientists on

these abilities. 245 00:16:52.399 --> 00:16:57.480 I need Georgina to come back seeing it. Georgina, it 246 00:16:57.600 --> 00:17:03.600 came back to me, Nada. If you want to know 247 00:17:03.639 --> 00:17:07.799 when we're talking about, uh, go listen to the last episode. 248 00:17:07.839 --> 00:17:09.599 If it's in there, it is. 249 00:17:09.799 --> 00:17:10.000 Yeah. 250 00:17:10.039 --> 00:17:12.839 Oh yeah, last episode was really good. Georgina talked to 251 00:17:12.880 --> 00:17:16.079 us about history and how important that is. 252 00:17:16.000 --> 00:17:21.799 To I will send Cindy the audio Clupe. Yeah conversation, 253 00:17:22.119 --> 00:17:23.440 so it. 254 00:17:23.640 --> 00:17:27.960 Yes, that was really good. She's so so good at 255 00:17:27.960 --> 00:17:33.680 that that history. But yeah, I'm like looking on my 256 00:17:33.720 --> 00:17:38.079 little notty notes here. Oh, I didn't think this was 257 00:17:38.160 --> 00:17:46.799 important on parapsychology. It's it's working from the assumption. You know, 258 00:17:47.119 --> 00:17:52.000 we don't assume our parapsychologists don't assume. Unfortunately a lot 259 00:17:52.000 --> 00:17:56.319 of ghost hunters do assume this, but parapsychologists don't assume 260 00:17:56.359 --> 00:18:00.799 that goes surreal. What they do is they just can 261 00:18:00.920 --> 00:18:06.839 we measure it? What happened here? Or what are possible explanations. 262 00:18:07.559 --> 00:18:14.079 So they're very much looking at the scientific side of stuff. 263 00:18:14.359 --> 00:18:17.519 It's like they're not coming in with these preconceived notions, 264 00:18:18.599 --> 00:18:21.559 Oh my gosh, this house is haunted or this is 265 00:18:21.599 --> 00:18:25.880 the ghost of some lady or some child or whatever 266 00:18:25.920 --> 00:18:31.799 it is. They just go in as objective as possible. 267 00:18:32.839 --> 00:18:34.640 Yeah, I would say, because I found that in my 268 00:18:34.759 --> 00:18:39.240 research too. They do a lot of debunking m in 269 00:18:39.440 --> 00:18:47.279 short terms, which I thoroughly enjoy, because that's how our 270 00:18:47.319 --> 00:18:51.880 group goes in. We uh not again, not all ghost 271 00:18:52.039 --> 00:18:56.119 groups ghost hunters will do that. They will, like you said, 272 00:18:56.200 --> 00:18:59.359 definitely assume that's what it is. It's oh, it's the ghost. 273 00:19:00.319 --> 00:19:04.039 Whereas if you you go in it's definitely like, hey, 274 00:19:04.119 --> 00:19:07.799 let's how is a way we can debunk this because, 275 00:19:07.839 --> 00:19:13.000 like you said, parapsychology is very scientific. We've got to 276 00:19:13.119 --> 00:19:15.119 use our instruments, we got. 277 00:19:14.920 --> 00:19:17.160 To do this, We've got to do that. Ye, there's 278 00:19:17.240 --> 00:19:22.519 protocols and India basically haunt what's called haunt phenomena, which 279 00:19:22.559 --> 00:19:26.880 is all the ghosty stuff is under the umbrella of parapsychology, 280 00:19:26.920 --> 00:19:34.079 and parapsychology is a field of academic study. Like I said, 281 00:19:34.079 --> 00:19:37.519 I'm the I've mentioned this before, but I'm the managing 282 00:19:37.640 --> 00:19:40.400 editor of the Journal of Scientific Exploration, which is one 283 00:19:40.400 --> 00:19:46.279 of the parapsycho They're not strictly parapsychology, but we publish 284 00:19:46.400 --> 00:19:51.240 a lot of parapsychological research. So yeah, there's this is 285 00:19:51.279 --> 00:19:57.039 a legit academic field of study with legit academic journals 286 00:19:57.519 --> 00:20:03.720 and scientists doing studies and re research and publishing this 287 00:20:03.720 --> 00:20:08.799 this stuff. And there's kind of that divide between, you know, 288 00:20:08.880 --> 00:20:12.640 the parapsychologists and the ghost hunters. And that's why when 289 00:20:12.680 --> 00:20:15.480 I like talk to people to like guests speaking and stuff, 290 00:20:15.480 --> 00:20:17.640 I say, I always say, I've got to put in 291 00:20:17.720 --> 00:20:20.599 two worlds. I've got to put in the parapsychology research 292 00:20:20.640 --> 00:20:22.000 side of it, but I've also got to put in 293 00:20:22.039 --> 00:20:25.079 the ghost had inside of it? And so which was 294 00:20:25.119 --> 00:20:33.720 another thing. I opened up two the socials and I asked. 295 00:20:33.480 --> 00:20:37.119 I did I'm going I did see that. I was like, Okay, 296 00:20:37.279 --> 00:20:39.759 I love this idea, and so I was keeping up 297 00:20:39.799 --> 00:20:40.000 with it. 298 00:20:41.160 --> 00:20:43.720 Yeah. Well I got a couple of pretty good responses. 299 00:20:43.799 --> 00:20:49.440 Basically what I did is I just posted and said, Hey, parapsychologists, 300 00:20:49.640 --> 00:20:53.880 what do you want ghost hunters to know? And Hey 301 00:20:53.880 --> 00:20:58.640 ghost hunters, what do you want to know about parapsychology? 302 00:20:58.720 --> 00:21:02.319 You know, kind of trying to get people talking across 303 00:21:02.839 --> 00:21:08.680 and a researcher piped up and he said, people should 304 00:21:08.720 --> 00:21:11.400 know this is the research side of it, and I thought, 305 00:21:11.440 --> 00:21:15.119 this is so true. People should know. It's very little 306 00:21:15.200 --> 00:21:19.640 like Ghostbusters or some horror movie. Ideally, we use similar 307 00:21:20.160 --> 00:21:25.240 and boring research methods to many other fields of science, 308 00:21:25.440 --> 00:21:31.599 both qualitative and quantitative, and like all other fields, each experiment, study, 309 00:21:32.200 --> 00:21:36.960 field visit moves the needle just a little. And I thought, 310 00:21:37.359 --> 00:21:40.839 that is like spot on, that is the most. 311 00:21:40.480 --> 00:21:42.279 Accurate thing I've ever heard. 312 00:21:42.559 --> 00:21:47.000 Yeah, because it's not. It's not like the TV shows. 313 00:21:47.720 --> 00:21:52.519 It's really not.

And the reality is is we are 314 00:21:52.880 --> 00:21:59.039 performing research and it's just like any other scientific thing. 315 00:21:59.240 --> 00:22:02.279 Like the whole unit of flatter earth thor is it around. 316 00:22:03.720 --> 00:22:08.799 We're just trying to conduct a research and to move what, 317 00:22:09.279 --> 00:22:12.319 like he said, move the needle, just the slightest bitch 318 00:22:12.480 --> 00:22:16.519 in one direction. Yeah, but that's all we're doing. And 319 00:22:16.559 --> 00:22:21.960 it takes fortunately, it takes a lot to move that needle. 320 00:22:22.319 --> 00:22:24.319 It takes a loss. 321 00:22:24.079 --> 00:22:28.160 It does. And yeah, it really does. And and basically 322 00:22:28.680 --> 00:22:32.720 what we're doing is field work. You know, if we're 323 00:22:32.759 --> 00:22:36.680 going to science, it up a bit that we're doing 324 00:22:36.720 --> 00:22:41.440 field research, which is a type of qualitative research. The 325 00:22:41.519 --> 00:22:44.960 quantitative is more along the lines of the laboratory studies 326 00:22:45.000 --> 00:22:47.480 because you can control all these variables and you can 327 00:22:47.519 --> 00:22:51.559 get people tests and you know, and and all this stuff. 328 00:22:51.839 --> 00:22:55.000 You know, do the deprivation tanks, you know. I'm I'm 329 00:22:55.039 --> 00:22:57.759 sure they're doing all kinds of quantitative studies with my 330 00:22:57.799 --> 00:23:01.559 friend cal floating around and there in the egg. But 331 00:23:03.240 --> 00:23:10.039 when it comes to what's called spontaneous cases, that's exactly 332 00:23:10.079 --> 00:23:12.440 what we're doing. Those are the ghosts that show up 333 00:23:12.440 --> 00:23:16.680 in the haunted places. Well, you can't do lab studies 334 00:23:16.880 --> 00:23:20.000 without it's like no, that's just no. And you can't 335 00:23:20.039 --> 00:23:22.960 control for variables. I mean, it shows up where it 336 00:23:23.000 --> 00:23:25.799 shows up. So you have to kind of work on 337 00:23:25.839 --> 00:23:29.880 the fly and do the best you can to at 338 00:23:29.960 --> 00:23:33.119 least have a plan in place of what kind of 339 00:23:33.200 --> 00:23:35.720 data am I going to collect? How am I going 340 00:23:35.759 --> 00:23:40.000 to collect it, how am I going to store it? 341 00:23:40.880 --> 00:23:43.880 You know, we can look for patterns, we can look 342 00:23:43.920 --> 00:23:48.400 for anomalies, you know, all of that, and we can 343 00:23:48.640 --> 00:23:52.599 interview witnesses or give them surveys which is more quantitative, 344 00:23:53.759 --> 00:23:57.000 give them like a transliminality survey or a paranormal belief 345 00:23:57.119 --> 00:24:01.839 survey or a survey of strange events, which can add 346 00:24:02.160 --> 00:24:06.359 to what we're doing. But you know, ghosts show up 347 00:24:06.359 --> 00:24:08.599 when they show up, and this kind of activity shows 348 00:24:08.640 --> 00:24:12.720 up when they show up. So yeah, you just as 349 00:24:12.799 --> 00:24:16.400 rigorously and responsible as you can. You just collect data 350 00:24:16.559 --> 00:24:19.599 and then build up a bank of data and see 351 00:24:19.640 --> 00:24:24.079 if you start noticing patterns and saying, oh gee, I'm 352 00:24:24.079 --> 00:24:26.200 thinking this or that, and that takes yeah, like moving 353 00:24:26.200 --> 00:24:29.880 the needles just a little, It takes a lot of time. Yes, 354 00:24:30.240 --> 00:24:33.960 and a ghost a couple of ghost hunters, they responded, 355 00:24:34.000 --> 00:24:37.079 So that was the researcher, and so the ghost the 356 00:24:37.359 --> 00:24:41.720 one ghost hunter. He says, my biggest question when a 357 00:24:41.720 --> 00:24:45.200 ghost hunter gets a hold of an intelligent quote unquote 358 00:24:45.279 --> 00:24:49.119 being why are all the questions wasted on the standard 359 00:24:49.160 --> 00:24:51.240 who are you? And what do you want? Instead of 360 00:24:51.279 --> 00:24:57.359 asking about their current state? Honestly, how much further advanced 361 00:24:57.400 --> 00:25:02.000 have we become since the start of the study of ghosts? 362 00:25:03.160 --> 00:25:05.640 But it still seems like we don't have any more 363 00:25:05.759 --> 00:25:12.119 answers than the beginning. And I wrote him back, and 364 00:25:12.200 --> 00:25:16.079 I said, in the in the paranormal community, in the 365 00:25:16.079 --> 00:25:18.920 ghost hunting community in general, I said, I think the 366 00:25:19.000 --> 00:25:23.039 reason why it seems like we aren't getting those answers 367 00:25:23.079 --> 00:25:27.359 that we want is a lot of ghost hunting groups 368 00:25:27.720 --> 00:25:32.079 are just going in making those assumptions. They're already assuming 369 00:25:32.880 --> 00:25:36.440 it's the ghost of the owner of the house, or 370 00:25:36.480 --> 00:25:40.720 it's demonic, or it's they've already come to the conclusion 371 00:25:41.000 --> 00:25:45.359 of we are are and that's that's where they go 372 00:25:45.400 --> 00:25:47.279 with their investigating. It's kind of like, well, what are 373 00:25:47.319 --> 00:25:49.000 we going to do? We're going to go in And 374 00:25:49.039 --> 00:25:51.559 I said, and this when I told him this too, 375 00:25:51.599 --> 00:25:55.000 As I said, what happens is is they primarily go 376 00:25:55.160 --> 00:25:58.279 in thinking, Okay, there's the ghost of a little girl 377 00:25:58.319 --> 00:26:01.200 in here, so what's our game plan? Well, we're going 378 00:26:01.240 --> 00:26:03.000 to bring some toys, and we're going to bring our 379 00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:06.200 recorders and our phones and some dowsing rods and and 380 00:26:07.240 --> 00:26:08.960 we're going to communicate with a little girl to find 381 00:26:08.960 --> 00:26:11.480 out who she is. That's not scientific. 382 00:26:11.799 --> 00:26:12.400 It's fun. 383 00:26:12.799 --> 00:26:15.160 It's

fun, and I mean you might get some good information, 384 00:26:15.680 --> 00:26:21.440 you might not. But that's spiritism, which has been around 385 00:26:21.480 --> 00:26:25.079 since the eighteen hundreds. It's like spirit communication has been 386 00:26:25.119 --> 00:26:27.920 around probably longer than that. Well it has, yeah, but 387 00:26:28.119 --> 00:26:35.000 that is used. And yes, spirit communication methods, No, they 388 00:26:35.480 --> 00:26:40.039 haven't changed in centuries. And we really aren't finding. That's 389 00:26:40.079 --> 00:26:44.240 not moving the science needle forward. 390 00:26:44.559 --> 00:26:50.160 I mean with ghost hunting you're almost working backwards. And 391 00:26:50.200 --> 00:26:55.519 it does go to the filled research we and again 392 00:26:55.599 --> 00:26:59.440 this is where someone like Georgina comes in so much 393 00:26:59.480 --> 00:27:06.240 help knowledge history, because knowing the history helps to guide 394 00:27:06.319 --> 00:27:10.319 your filled research as a ghost hunter. Knowing if there 395 00:27:10.400 --> 00:27:14.000 is a little girl, Yes, having those toys, having the 396 00:27:14.039 --> 00:27:18.200 dowsing girls would be helpful in case that little girl 397 00:27:18.440 --> 00:27:22.079 is there, but that doesn't mean she is exact. It 398 00:27:22.240 --> 00:27:25.359 just might help. It's almost like fishing. It is you 399 00:27:25.480 --> 00:27:30.720 have certain bait to get certain fish that bait. The 400 00:27:30.759 --> 00:27:33.640 toys and everything, Yes, is there to help the little 401 00:27:33.680 --> 00:27:36.920 girl come out, but there's no guarantee that they will. 402 00:27:37.160 --> 00:27:41.079 She she's gonna be there. It could be an adult 403 00:27:41.160 --> 00:27:44.400 spirit that you know. I mean, just like there are 404 00:27:44.440 --> 00:27:48.920 evil people, there could be evil spirits that or that 405 00:27:49.119 --> 00:27:52.079 was an evil person in life that could be pretending 406 00:27:52.119 --> 00:27:55.319 to be this little girl. So it's it's one of 407 00:27:55.400 --> 00:27:59.359 those things that you have to hope for the best, 408 00:28:00.279 --> 00:28:02.839 expect the worst kind of thing. It's like, you know, 409 00:28:02.920 --> 00:28:06.799 it's this person could be evil and just pretending to 410 00:28:06.839 --> 00:28:09.240 be the little girl, and then you realize you can't 411 00:28:09.279 --> 00:28:10.720 just assume it's the little girl. 412 00:28:11.200 --> 00:28:14.680 No, No, that's no. And that's a really excellent point. 413 00:28:14.880 --> 00:28:18.759 And I mean, I'm and I'm not saying that there 414 00:28:18.799 --> 00:28:21.400 aren't spirits that we communicate with or that we can't 415 00:28:21.440 --> 00:28:25.680 communicate with. It's just I think there's not enough groups 416 00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:29.799 out there that are saying, is this even a spirit 417 00:28:29.880 --> 00:28:34.240 at all? Could it be

something that we haven't even 418 00:28:34.359 --> 00:28:38.519 thought of yet? And it's like, yeah, open your mind 419 00:28:39.000 --> 00:28:43.039 to you know, maybe there's something some kind of energy 420 00:28:43.119 --> 00:28:48.240 we haven't identified yet. Maybe it's something like an alternate universe, 421 00:28:48.599 --> 00:28:54.359 or maybe it's you know, something we're manipulating the environment 422 00:28:54.480 --> 00:28:58.960 somehow through telekinesis or you know. And I think there's 423 00:28:59.000 --> 00:29:03.480 a lot of groups that get really focused on this 424 00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:06.240 is exactly what it is. You know, this is a 425 00:29:06.319 --> 00:29:09.400 spirit and we're going to try to communicate with it. 426 00:29:09.880 --> 00:29:13.519 And I don't have a problem with that, But don't 427 00:29:13.880 --> 00:29:19.240 only do that, you know, look, explore a little more 428 00:29:19.480 --> 00:29:23.599 and maybe consider that you're not dealing with a spirit 429 00:29:23.680 --> 00:29:27.880 at all. You might be dealing with some natural phenomenon 430 00:29:28.559 --> 00:29:31.519 that we just don't know what it is yet. 431 00:29:32.559 --> 00:29:35.640 It could even boil down to poulterg ice, which we've 432 00:29:35.680 --> 00:29:38.480 talked about. You know, it could be the person that's 433 00:29:38.559 --> 00:29:42.359 living there that's creating this energy. So maybe you know 434 00:29:42.640 --> 00:29:46.559 it like you're saying, probably just doesn't exist. We're just 435 00:29:46.640 --> 00:29:51.079 assuming it does. And there's just no guarantee. 436 00:29:51.599 --> 00:29:56.079 No, there's so much we just don't know. Yeah, I 437 00:29:56.160 --> 00:29:58.000 get it. But yeah, and then oh this is the 438 00:29:58.079 --> 00:30:00.799 last ghost hunter. I thought this was good, he says. 439 00:30:01.000 --> 00:30:04.640 For the most part, I feel like parapsychology is a 440 00:30:04.680 --> 00:30:09.599 great tool for debunking, like you just said, explaining paradoilia, 441 00:30:10.319 --> 00:30:13.599 matrix scene, et cetera. But it is also useful in 442 00:30:13.720 --> 00:30:17.680 seeing rationale for why a haunting occurs, you know, why 443 00:30:17.759 --> 00:30:20.880 is this happening? What's going on? You know, just asking 444 00:30:20.920 --> 00:30:23.640 those big questions. So I thought those were pretty good. 445 00:30:24.039 --> 00:30:29.960 Those were pretty good. But yeah, yeah, I'm trying to 446 00:30:29.960 --> 00:30:32.359 think of anything else. I just totally train of thought. 447 00:30:33.119 --> 00:30:37.599 I mean, it's just this is such a broad topic too, 448 00:30:37.720 --> 00:30:42.960 but you know, because it's so interesting when you tie 449 00:30:43.000 --> 00:30:47.720 it to ghost hunting, because something like telechelesis falls into parapsychology, 450 00:30:48.319 --> 00:30:54.519 psychic mediums, parapsychology, those are all tools that as a 451

00:30:54.559 --> 00:30:56.440 ghost hunter you can utilize. 452 00:30:56.680 --> 00:31:00.559 Absolutely to what we're talking about this, Yeah, it's. 453 00:31:00.440 --> 00:31:06.319 I mean, like you said, Stargate, that whole thing, the tanks, 454 00:31:07.039 --> 00:31:11.440 it's just stuff that we it's utilizing what we can, 455 00:31:11.880 --> 00:31:15.440 where we can, how we can. And we talk about 456 00:31:15.519 --> 00:31:21.119 Robbie like Robbie is amazing, He's fantastic, and just you 457 00:31:21.240 --> 00:31:24.759 give him something or even just a picture and he's like, 458 00:31:24.839 --> 00:31:26.599 oh yep, yeah got it. 459 00:31:27.359 --> 00:31:31.920 Psychic abilities are are real, and I mean, and there's 460 00:31:31.960 --> 00:31:35.839 been some really famous psychic people throughout history and once 461 00:31:35.920 --> 00:31:38.640 the parapsychologists get ahold of them, d D. If you 462 00:31:38.680 --> 00:31:41.119 ever want to find out about a really cool one 463 00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:43.559 is d d home, and he was like, I can't remember, 464 00:31:43.640 --> 00:31:46.039 like back in the thirties. Anyway, the Ryan's at the 465 00:31:46.079 --> 00:31:50.240 Duke Parapsychology Lab studied him. But I mean, yeah, there's 466 00:31:50.359 --> 00:31:54.440 psychic mediums out there that will just blow your mind 467 00:31:55.079 --> 00:32:01.319 with stuff that they can pick up psychically and in labs. 468 00:32:01.599 --> 00:32:05.400 I mean they tested him in laboratory experiments and he 469 00:32:05.599 --> 00:32:09.720 passed laboratory experiments over and over and over again. So 470 00:32:09.799 --> 00:32:12.559 it's kind of like all this replication going on because 471 00:32:12.599 --> 00:32:16.799 there's this really extraordinary psychic person. So it's it's real. 472 00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:19.640 If people tell me our psychic abilities aren't real, I like, huh, 473 00:32:20.079 --> 00:32:22.960 there's one hundred and fifty years of scientific research at 474 00:32:23.039 --> 00:32:25.240 major universities that tell you you're law. 475 00:32:25.640 --> 00:32:29.640 Yeah, And I do want to say just because of 476 00:32:29.759 --> 00:32:32.680 psychic abilities, I know this can be a whole other topic, 477 00:32:33.000 --> 00:32:38.839 which we've talked about before with Robbie. But some psychic 478 00:32:38.920 --> 00:32:42.920 abilities vary. Some people get them in visions, some people 479 00:32:43.799 --> 00:32:49.319 almost thoughts, some get on in dreams, which I have happened. 480 00:32:49.880 --> 00:32:52.720 It's happened to me. So it's just it depends on 481 00:32:53.000 --> 00:32:57.960 your state of mind and how easily you can almost 482 00:32:58.880 --> 00:33:03.759 go in that like because it's almost clearing your mind. 483 00:33:03.839 --> 00:33:04.279 You're just. 484 00:33:05.920 --> 00:33:09.160 Like, it's like staring at a wall for hours almost. 485 00:33:09.960 --> 00:33:13.039 And some

people like Robbie is just easier, a lot 486 00:33:13.119 --> 00:33:15.880 easier for them to just be able to be like, oh, 487 00:33:16.359 --> 00:33:18.680 stare at that wall for a second. Great, I got it. 488 00:33:19.599 --> 00:33:22.519 Other people it's a lot easier when they're just sleeping 489 00:33:22.599 --> 00:33:25.759 tickets them and be like, oh, that's what's going on. 490 00:33:26.880 --> 00:33:33.319 And so there's different levels of even those psychic abilities. 491 00:33:33.440 --> 00:33:35.000 And then you have telekinesis. 492 00:33:35.640 --> 00:33:38.160 Yeah, moving stuck with your mind. I think that's amazing, 493 00:33:38.200 --> 00:33:41.839 and that's where kind of the Poultereist activity seems to 494 00:33:41.920 --> 00:33:45.240 come in. And yeah, one of the pair the one 495 00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:50.599 of the parapsychology theories, the main one is RSPK reoccurreent 496 00:33:50.680 --> 00:33:57.559 spontaneous psychoicesis a long words that basically, it's been the 497 00:33:57.559 --> 00:34:00.440 belief for a long time that somebody like understrike or 498 00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:05.519 something will accidentally or in you know, they don't know 499 00:34:05.599 --> 00:34:08.440 that they're like manipulating things in the environment, you know, 500 00:34:08.519 --> 00:34:12.440 moving things with their mind. But that since been called 501 00:34:13.159 --> 00:34:16.239 in the field of parapsychology, the carry myth. If you've 502 00:34:16.239 --> 00:34:18.360 watched the movie Care, have you seen the movie Carrey. Yeah, 503 00:34:18.519 --> 00:34:22.440 I think we'll everybody has. Yeah, we've got like telekinesis 504 00:34:22.480 --> 00:34:27.679 on steroids here with Carrie. And what they're finding in 505 00:34:27.960 --> 00:34:31.639 this is another reason the scientific study is great, is 506 00:34:31.719 --> 00:34:35.360 they were finding that Nope, we can't say that that's 507 00:34:35.400 --> 00:34:41.239 always the case, that this poltergeist activity is caused by 508 00:34:42.079 --> 00:34:48.079 somebody unconsciously blowing off steam. In fact, I was just 509 00:34:48.320 --> 00:34:54.079 reading through a paper this last week by the colleagues 510 00:34:54.119 --> 00:34:56.000 that I work with, and they're going to add me 511 00:34:56.039 --> 00:34:58.679 as an author, so I'm pretty happy about that. But 512 00:34:59.000 --> 00:35:03.239 it's there now, looking at and it's going to be 513 00:35:03.280 --> 00:35:06.199 published in a parapsychology journal. I don't know which one. 514 00:35:06.440 --> 00:35:12.760 But they're looking at and saying, Okay, we're not so 515 00:35:12.800 --> 00:35:18.519 sure anymore that haunt activity and poultrygeist activity aren't the 516 00:35:18.559 --> 00:35:25.119 same thing. Just it varies by intensity. If it's there, 517 00:35:25.239 --> 00:35:27.960 they're kind of relooking at all of this and saying, 518 00:35:28.920 --> 00:35:32.760 we're thinking it's just kind of a spectrum. And because 519 00:35:32.760 --> 00:35:36.800 it's always been oh, poultrygeist activity is somebody blowing off steam. 520 00:35:36.800 --> 00:35:41.639 That's completely different than like an apparition or a repetitive 521 00:35:41.719 --> 00:35:45.480 haunt or something like that. But now they're finding. No, 522 00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:49.639 you know what, these all have some common threads, and 523 00:35:50.440 --> 00:35:54.199 we're thinking maybe here at the low end, you know, 524 00:35:54.239 --> 00:35:56.960 we're just going to see shadow people and apparitions and things. 525 00:35:57.000 --> 00:35:59.440 And at the extreme end, you know, there's gonna be 526 00:35:59.480 --> 00:36:02.480 stuff flying around room, you know whatever. So I thought 527 00:36:02.480 --> 00:36:07.840 that was really interesting. So there's still really looking grappling 528 00:36:07.880 --> 00:36:09.360 with this. They don't know. 529 00:36:11.079 --> 00:36:14.400 I have even seen in some studies that I've done 530 00:36:14.519 --> 00:36:21.360 some research that poultry geist entities at some point, at 531 00:36:21.400 --> 00:36:27.079 some level, will gain their own consciousness, their own dot process. 532 00:36:27.079 --> 00:36:28.960 It seems like it in some of the cases. 533 00:36:29.239 --> 00:36:34.199 Yeah, and it's because the quote unquote living agent that 534 00:36:34.360 --> 00:36:40.360 created it puts so much energy into it that it 535 00:36:40.400 --> 00:36:46.760 the entity itself, has become its own processes its own 536 00:36:46.920 --> 00:36:50.760 energy to where it's no longer needs the living agent 537 00:36:50.920 --> 00:36:54.400 to depend on so it can manifest and do whatever 538 00:36:54.440 --> 00:36:57.519 it wants. And at that point, you too, At some 539 00:36:57.599 --> 00:37:00.480 point you can get an actual haunting from a pole. Guys, 540 00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:07.039 exactly enough energy feed it. 541 00:37:05.800 --> 00:37:08.000 We gotta see. I mean, those are the types of 542 00:37:08.119 --> 00:37:15.960 things that parapsychologists can present to the ghost hunting community. 543 00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:19.400 And that's kind of my big thing is it's like, gosh, 544 00:37:19.400 --> 00:37:21.920 there's all this research out there, and we have this, 545 00:37:22.599 --> 00:37:27.039 we have thousands of ghost hunters just here in the 546 00:37:27.159 --> 00:37:30.559 US that a lot of them are just operating off 547 00:37:30.599 --> 00:37:35.440 of these old kind of mythological, folkloric type ideas of 548 00:37:35.480 --> 00:37:38.159 what they're dealing with. When you've got all these these 549 00:37:38.199 --> 00:37:41.000 science see people over here that have done all these studies, 550 00:37:41.000 --> 00:37:45.880 and it's like, you know, let's let's jump ghost hunting community, 551 00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:48.760 let's jump the tracks a little more. You know, let's 552 00:37:48.880 -->

00:37:51.960 let's maybe look at some of the science. And and that's 553 00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:57.119 a perfect example where yeah, it's kind of like, okay, 554 00:37:57.159 --> 00:38:00.000 maybe it started. Maybe it started with somebody in there 555 00:38:00.159 --> 00:38:03.519 head and they're blowing off steam and then lo and behold, 556 00:38:03.960 --> 00:38:09.079 they created a ghost, Yeah, that has its own will 557 00:38:09.239 --> 00:38:14.280 and volition and can yeah, operate independently from the person 558 00:38:14.400 --> 00:38:18.119 and who knows, maybe be so independent that even if 559 00:38:18.119 --> 00:38:21.639 the person leaves, it'll still stick around and other people 560 00:38:21.679 --> 00:38:24.320 will experience it. You know. That's kind of that haunted 561 00:38:24.320 --> 00:38:25.840 people syndromething. 562 00:38:25.280 --> 00:38:26.079 That we talk about. 563 00:38:26.159 --> 00:38:29.920 Yeah, with the right person and the right place and 564 00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:34.000 the right time, yeah, you know, interacting with the creepy 565 00:38:34.119 --> 00:38:42.320 environment and creating some haunted something. You know, it's like 566 00:38:42.679 --> 00:38:45.639 just I don't know, think outside the box a little. 567 00:38:46.079 --> 00:38:50.480 And I think also it's just being open to other 568 00:38:51.280 --> 00:38:57.480 ideologies as a ghost hunter because you really don't know 569 00:38:57.840 --> 00:39:02.360 what you're dealing with. You don't know because every person, 570 00:39:03.039 --> 00:39:05.039 and this goes back to religion, is going to have 571 00:39:05.079 --> 00:39:06.280 their own belief system. 572 00:39:06.679 --> 00:39:07.840 Yeah, so you. 573 00:39:07.920 --> 00:39:11.559 Never really know. So as a ghost hunter, you do 574 00:39:11.599 --> 00:39:16.960 have to be open to hearing other people's beliefs and 575 00:39:18.039 --> 00:39:21.360 what they think and how they view the world because 576 00:39:21.400 --> 00:39:26.119 it could be very different from you. And so that's 577 00:39:26.159 --> 00:39:30.719 where other entities or things can come in and how 578 00:39:30.840 --> 00:39:34.360 parapsychology can play into. It's how is this person's beliefs 579 00:39:34.840 --> 00:39:37.480 affecting the environment around them? 580 00:39:37.960 --> 00:39:39.599 Absolutely, let alone the. 581 00:39:39.719 --> 00:39:42.039 Energy or the ghosts that are around them. 582 00:39:42.039 --> 00:39:44.320 Spot on because they are able. Oh my gosh, that 583 00:39:44.440 --> 00:39:47.599 is so spot on. Because yeah, you get the parapsychologists 584 00:39:47.599 --> 00:39:49.199 in there, they're going to be able to evaluate that 585 00:39:49.280 --> 00:39:53.920 person psychologically as well as they are going to have 586 00:39:54.079 --> 00:39:58.280 ways to find out, you know, that person's belief system 587 00:39:59.239 --> 00:40:01.960 and whether and their belief system on the parent role. 588 00:40:03.360 --> 00:40:06.679 You know, like I said before we started, I have 589 00:40:06.760 --> 00:40:09.559 a friend that you know, has humored me in the 590 00:40:09.599 --> 00:40:12.639 past and gone on ghost tons with me, And I said, hey, 591 00:40:12.639 --> 00:40:14.360 by the way, you know, do you believe in ghosts? 592 00:40:14.440 --> 00:40:19.480 You can be honest, you know they won't hurt my feelings, like, no, 593 00:40:20.360 --> 00:40:22.440 they don't exist. I just go on the ghost tons 594 00:40:22.480 --> 00:40:27.280 for entertainment purposes only. And I said, oh, you just 595 00:40:27.360 --> 00:40:30.320 like to see watching people get spooked or spook themselves, 596 00:40:30.360 --> 00:40:33.280 you know, and so But I mean, I love skeptics. 597 00:40:33.599 --> 00:40:34.559 Skeptics are great. 598 00:40:34.719 --> 00:40:40.119 Hey, hey, listen, listen, because I know who you are. Yeah, 599 00:40:40.960 --> 00:40:43.440 you haven't been on one with both of us yet. 600 00:40:43.599 --> 00:40:47.239 Okay, right, that's right. We might have to. We might 601 00:40:47.280 --> 00:40:52.079 have to Karrelian one last time. Get Jai out there 602 00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:54.400 and get she experiencing something. 603 00:40:55.039 --> 00:40:58.239 I will say, like you said, skeptics are my favorites 604 00:40:58.440 --> 00:41:04.679 because genuinely they come in with such I don't know 605 00:41:04.679 --> 00:41:06.800 if you say it open mind, closed mind. 606 00:41:08.119 --> 00:41:12.920 They're very definitive. They're very no, absolutely not. 607 00:41:14.480 --> 00:41:17.360 It's almost like a mix. They're like they're so open 608 00:41:17.400 --> 00:41:18.920 minded that they're closed. 609 00:41:18.599 --> 00:41:21.679 Minded kind of yeah, And it's like. 610 00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:28.000 But I love them because they they want to debunk everything. 611 00:41:28.280 --> 00:41:32.719 They will find any and every reason if it's a 612 00:41:32.760 --> 00:41:34.519 little drop, and they'll be like, oh, it was your 613 00:41:34.559 --> 00:41:38.280 phone a little but your phone like, I see you 614 00:41:38.320 --> 00:41:41.519 got a text message. It's like my phone's on silence. 615 00:41:43.679 --> 00:41:45.719 Try again, Yeah, try again. 616 00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:48.880 Well you know what I yeah, And I tell skeptics this, 617 00:41:49.360 --> 00:41:52.519 and you know, I will probably remind my friend of 618 00:41:52.559 --> 00:41:59.239 this as well in private that yeah, that you know what, 619 00:41:59.760 --> 00:42:02.840 I to tell them all this. You put yourself in 620 00:42:02.960 --> 00:42:08.960 enough weird places, weird stuff's going to happen, weird unexplained stuff. 621 00:42:09.320 --> 00:42:14.079 I guarantee you. I mean, you're guarantee. 622 00:42:12.960 --> 00:42:18.760 You're intentionally but also unintentionally opening yourself up to that. 623 00:42:19.880 --> 00:42:25.840 So by putting yourself in

that situation, and even with 624 00:42:25.880 --> 00:42:28.639 this person, they have done it just once. Just once 625 00:42:28.760 --> 00:42:33.599 is all it takes for the spirits around you to 626 00:42:33.679 --> 00:42:37.159 be like, hey, so and so is here, let's go 627 00:42:37.199 --> 00:42:42.840 with them, because your energy could be just right to 628 00:42:42.960 --> 00:42:46.480 where the spirits want to go with you. And that's where, 629 00:42:46.679 --> 00:42:49.519 you know, even parapsychology comes in. It's like, how come 630 00:42:49.800 --> 00:42:56.760 they attached to a skeptic someone who's like doesn't really 631 00:42:56.800 --> 00:43:00.559 acknowledge that they exist, but then they still gotten attachment 632 00:43:00.920 --> 00:43:04.199 mm hmm. So it's it makes for more studying and 633 00:43:04.239 --> 00:43:06.360 more research and more questions to be. 634 00:43:06.360 --> 00:43:11.239 Brought up, lots of questions, and I mean, yeah, and 635 00:43:11.320 --> 00:43:14.519 I find that the skeptics a lot of times, deep 636 00:43:14.599 --> 00:43:18.000 down they're not as skeptical as they claim. There's I'm 637 00:43:18.039 --> 00:43:20.679 not saying there's a lot of bluff in there, but 638 00:43:21.800 --> 00:43:22.960 there's some bluff in there. 639 00:43:23.119 --> 00:43:28.519 Usually usually, I mean it's someone that's been doing this, 640 00:43:28.679 --> 00:43:31.079 even out of our group the shortest amount of time, 641 00:43:31.199 --> 00:43:36.519 but but so long time. Yeah, it's it brings questions 642 00:43:36.599 --> 00:43:39.440 up in me. It's like, why are you doing this? 643 00:43:39.639 --> 00:43:42.440 Why are you here? Are you really a skeptic? I 644 00:43:42.480 --> 00:43:43.360 don't think you are. 645 00:43:43.400 --> 00:43:45.280 If you're here, you're interested. 646 00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:48.159 Yeah, It's like the interest is in there, it's there, 647 00:43:48.760 --> 00:43:52.280 trust me. Yeah, but you say it's not there. 648 00:43:53.199 --> 00:43:55.800 And I'm wanting that's a really good point. What are 649 00:43:55.840 --> 00:43:56.519 you doing here? 650 00:43:57.079 --> 00:44:00.519 Are you here? Are you here just now? 651 00:44:00.719 --> 00:44:01.880 Is this just a hangout? 652 00:44:02.000 --> 00:44:02.320 Is it? 653 00:44:02.639 --> 00:44:07.119 What is your the laughing point? I mean, I've playing 654 00:44:07.119 --> 00:44:13.480 out with it crazy. That's an excellent question. Yeah, it's 655 00:44:13.519 --> 00:44:16.400 so funny because yeah, I remember doing the Doctor pepperteurs 656 00:44:16.400 --> 00:44:19.800 and getting skeptics on the Doctor Pepperteers and it's like, now, granted, 657 00:44:20.639 --> 00:44:23.239 in fairness, they probably had family members that were dragging 658 00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:25.679 them there, you know, on a family vacation or something. 659 00:44:25.920 --> 00:44:29.159 But still they were there. They could have stayed back 660 00:44:29.199 --> 00:44:31.719 at the hotel room. You know, they didn't have to 661 00:44:31.760 --> 00:44:32.079 be there. 662 00:44:32.719 --> 00:44:36.239 I mean, and it's funny because I've brought this up before. 663 00:44:36.360 --> 00:44:39.840 You see a lot of people with law enforcement background, 664 00:44:40.960 --> 00:44:48.000 military background that have a higher chance of being skeptics. 665 00:44:48.000 --> 00:44:51.679 And again, I live it personally with my dad. 666 00:44:51.840 --> 00:44:54.639 I was gonna say, you know, from personal experience, this 667 00:44:54.760 --> 00:45:00.920 particular population that are very, very drawn, Yeah, to the paranormal. 668 00:45:01.400 --> 00:45:05.239 And it's genuinely funny because my dad, he'll come with 669 00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:08.440 me and I mean, we've done a ghost walk in 670 00:45:08.440 --> 00:45:13.199 San Antonio. He's trying to look at all the Oh, well, 671 00:45:13.440 --> 00:45:18.519 there's a reflection here, there's no just stop shut up, 672 00:45:19.920 --> 00:45:23.679 you know just as well as I do. There is 673 00:45:23.719 --> 00:45:27.480 no reflection. That road is a potentialan road they haven't 674 00:45:27.519 --> 00:45:28.199 closed off. 675 00:45:28.599 --> 00:45:29.559 We headlights. 676 00:45:29.639 --> 00:45:34.280 Yeah, and it's funny, But skeptics genuinely are my favorite. 677 00:45:34.559 --> 00:45:36.719 Me too, Oh I love them, I love you. We 678 00:45:36.760 --> 00:45:39.800 should just do an episode on skeptics. I mean, we 679 00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:43.440 have a whole panel of skeptics. That would be fun, 680 00:45:44.119 --> 00:45:47.679 that'd be really fun. It's like, come on, come at us, the. 681 00:45:49.920 --> 00:45:52.760 Friend that shall not be named, and then my dad, 682 00:45:53.159 --> 00:45:53.960 Oh that. 683 00:45:53.920 --> 00:46:00.800 Would be that would be sparkly and spicy. Okay, yeah, 684 00:46:01.079 --> 00:46:04.480 all right, future episode idea. I like it. We can 685 00:46:04.480 --> 00:46:05.119 get them on. 686 00:46:05.559 --> 00:46:06.000 Look at us. 687 00:46:06.039 --> 00:46:11.960 Go You're like, no, wow, it's a waste of time. Okay, 688 00:46:12.320 --> 00:46:16.039 I'm done picking up the skeptics. I will say, though, yeah. 689 00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:18.360 I will. You're our favorite skeptic. 690 00:46:18.719 --> 00:46:24.880 Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're yeah, so good stuff good. But 691 00:46:24.960 --> 00:46:27.159 I'm looking at my notes here. Probably should let you 692 00:46:27.159 --> 00:46:28.880 move on a little bit. Oh yeah, probably should be 693 00:46:28.880 --> 00:46:32.239 move on a little bit. Just a couple of like 694 00:46:33.079 --> 00:46:35.639 other things that I found that I thought was kind 695 00:46:35.639 --> 00:46:37.920 of fun, And I want to put this out there, 696 00:46:38.039 --> 00:46:41.039 especially for the ghost onding community, because we've been talking 697 00:46:41.079 -->

00:46:43.360 a lot about Hey, you know, there's a lot of 698 00:46:43.360 --> 00:46:46.639 good research out there. Blah blah blah. The Society for 699 00:46:46.719 --> 00:46:56.079 Psychical Research is the oldest parapsychological organization in the world. 700 00:46:56.079 --> 00:47:00.159 It was founded in January of eighteen eighty two, you 701 00:47:00.960 --> 00:47:07.360 in London, by a bunch of scholars and basically that 702 00:47:07.480 --> 00:47:11.199 was right around the time of spiritualism and psychics and 703 00:47:11.280 --> 00:47:14.039 mediums and communication with the dead. It was like really 704 00:47:14.079 --> 00:47:18.880 having a day, and they started saying, well, can we 705 00:47:19.000 --> 00:47:24.639 investigate this scientifically and started also looking at fraud because 706 00:47:24.880 --> 00:47:27.039 and they were doing this in the US as well 707 00:47:27.119 --> 00:47:30.599 a little bit later at the Duke Parapsychology Lab JB 708 00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:36.840 and Louisa Ryan and William I think it's William McDougal. Yeah, 709 00:47:37.480 --> 00:47:40.519 they were all part of that around that same time, 710 00:47:41.159 --> 00:47:43.840 looking at that because it was post I think I 711 00:47:43.920 --> 00:47:46.800 mentioned this before, it was post Civil War, and you 712 00:47:46.840 --> 00:47:51.400 had all of these people that were looking to contact 713 00:47:51.400 --> 00:47:54.559 their loved ones and stuff. And so similarly in time, 714 00:47:55.000 --> 00:47:58.280 the Society for Psychical Research, which is in Britain or 715 00:47:58.320 --> 00:48:01.800 in the UK, they were all these scientists starting to go, 716 00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:03.639 let's take a look at this because there's a lot 717 00:48:03.679 --> 00:48:05.760 of fraudulent people out there that are taking a lot 718 00:48:05.760 --> 00:48:09.320 of people's money, who are very vulnerable and they're grieving. 719 00:48:10.360 --> 00:48:15.639 And what they found in the process of that was, 720 00:48:16.239 --> 00:48:20.000 wait a minute, not everybody's a fraud. Oh my gosh, 721 00:48:20.079 --> 00:48:25.760 there's some people that have actual abilities. And it just 722 00:48:25.840 --> 00:48:29.719 kind of took off from there. The Society for Psychical 723 00:48:29.760 --> 00:48:33.320 Research is still very active. If you go look that up, 724 00:48:33.360 --> 00:48:36.280 you can google it, you can become a member. They 725 00:48:36.320 --> 00:48:41.719 have scholarly journals, they are on the socials, and so 726 00:48:41.920 --> 00:48:44.440 it's a really good place to start if you want 727 00:48:44.480 --> 00:48:49.400 to look at the kind of the scientific parapsychology side 728 00:48:49.400 --> 00:48:52.159 of it. But there have been people that have been interested, 729 00:48:52.360 --> 00:48:56.519 like super duper brilliant, famous people that have been interested 730 00:48:56.559 --> 00:49:01.000 in this forever, like Nikola Tesla One I really loved. 731 00:49:02.400 --> 00:49:08.360 Thomas Edison created a ghost machine or spirit phone in 732 00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:11.519 the early nineteen twenties, and what it was, I thought 733 00:49:11.559 --> 00:49:15.559 this was really interesting. He took a lamp, what he 734 00:49:15.679 --> 00:49:20.519 thought was a very powerful lamp that cast a tiny 735 00:49:20.559 --> 00:49:23.320 little beam almost kind of like a laser beam, but 736 00:49:23.599 --> 00:49:25.559 not not a laser beam, but kind of like that 737 00:49:26.280 --> 00:49:30.679 onto a photoelectric cell, and any passing spirit, you know, 738 00:49:30.760 --> 00:49:33.119 could like disrupt the beam, kind of like what we 739 00:49:33.159 --> 00:49:37.559 do with laser grids, same concept, except he took it 740 00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:41.679 one step further and he made it so that if 741 00:49:41.679 --> 00:49:45.800 the spirit broke the beam, it would register on an 742 00:49:45.800 --> 00:49:49.480 electronic meter. So it's kind of a combination laser grid 743 00:49:49.519 --> 00:49:54.039 EMF meter that he created. And I mean, I've never 744 00:49:54.079 --> 00:49:56.280 seen a prototype of this or anything, but I thought 745 00:49:56.320 --> 00:50:00.559 it was just like the coolest thing so yeah, I thought, where. 746 00:50:00.400 --> 00:50:02.519 Don't you find an engineer that can do that? 747 00:50:03.519 --> 00:50:06.719 I know, wouldn't that be cool? It's like, oh, yeah, 748 00:50:06.760 --> 00:50:10.239 something crossed the beam. And now it's like I got 749 00:50:10.239 --> 00:50:11.519 an EMF hit on it. 750 00:50:12.000 --> 00:50:13.480 Found us a new field study. 751 00:50:14.519 --> 00:50:18.760 Yeah, good stuff. But I thought that was just like 752 00:50:18.800 --> 00:50:22.039 it's like, yeah, so people like that were really interested 753 00:50:22.239 --> 00:50:27.480 in this, And of course, yeah, I've talked a lot 754 00:50:27.480 --> 00:50:31.480 about Oh, I wanted to mention this. The scientific method 755 00:50:32.239 --> 00:50:35.599 is a method, it's not science is not a thing. 756 00:50:35.639 --> 00:50:38.320 I think of COVID and people were like, I followed 757 00:50:38.360 --> 00:50:41.239 the science. Well, if you pressed them on that, they 758 00:50:41.239 --> 00:50:44.639 were more of I follow the scientists whatever scientist was 759 00:50:44.679 --> 00:50:47.480 telling them whatever they wanted to hear. That's what they 760 00:50:47.519 --> 00:50:50.199 meant by I follow the science. But the scientific method 761 00:50:50.280 --> 00:50:52.840 is just a method of inquiry. It's just kind of 762 00:50:53.159 --> 00:50:56.880 doing that field work collecting data or doing laboratory work, 763 00:50:57.280 --> 00:51:03.719 rigorously collecting data, testing hypotheses, is analyzing that data, you know, 764 00:51:03.880 --> 00:51:07.480 in this very scientifically rigorous framework. And it's been around 765 00:51:07.480 -->

00:51:11.079 since the seventeen hundreds and it still works pretty good. Yeah, 766 00:51:11.639 --> 00:51:13.280 I mean we talk about it. 767 00:51:13.719 --> 00:51:20.320 Yeah, for ghost hunting and our purposes, people place time yeah, 768 00:51:20.360 --> 00:51:23.039 you know, and that's kind of like our method is 769 00:51:23.159 --> 00:51:26.280 scientific methods. You have to have the right person, right place, 770 00:51:26.639 --> 00:51:27.440 right time. 771 00:51:27.880 --> 00:51:32.119 And that's within scientific theory of of hanted people syndrome, 772 00:51:32.519 --> 00:51:36.440 which I yes, I'm very biased because I work with 773 00:51:36.480 --> 00:51:39.440 the people that created it, but still I think it's 774 00:51:39.480 --> 00:51:42.199 a pretty pretty intriguing theory. It kind of accounts for 775 00:51:42.280 --> 00:51:45.599 everything the people in the environment, the environment itself, and 776 00:51:45.639 --> 00:51:49.079 the interaction between the two. I think it's I think 777 00:51:49.079 --> 00:51:49.920 they're onto something. 778 00:51:50.079 --> 00:51:53.440 Yeah, And I mean the best example that I could give, 779 00:51:53.800 --> 00:51:58.000 which we've talked about, is the Liberty Hotel and Clayburne 780 00:51:58.719 --> 00:52:01.599 when we had that experience and we put two and 781 00:52:01.639 --> 00:52:04.880 two together with that one specific hotel room, why we 782 00:52:04.880 --> 00:52:06.400 weren't getting any communication? 783 00:52:07.280 --> 00:52:11.400 Remember, that was fascinating. So it's gracest ghost. 784 00:52:13.119 --> 00:52:15.679 So it's like we've talked about it in previous episodes, 785 00:52:15.719 --> 00:52:17.880 So if you want to know more about it, could 786 00:52:17.920 --> 00:52:19.400 listen to the previous episodes. 787 00:52:19.639 --> 00:52:21.880 Yeah, but that. 788 00:52:21.519 --> 00:52:24.000 That's the best example is that I could give, is 789 00:52:25.199 --> 00:52:27.320 how to utilize our scientific method. 790 00:52:27.599 --> 00:52:30.719 It's like this this prumpy old man ghost that does 791 00:52:30.800 --> 00:52:33.480 not like young beautiful Latina women. 792 00:52:35.000 --> 00:52:38.679 Whose darn specific groups. 793 00:52:39.000 --> 00:52:44.880 Yes, darn you. Yeah, but yeah, yeah, that is that's 794 00:52:44.880 --> 00:52:49.519 such a good example. Yeah, but so yeah, and it is. 795 00:52:49.599 --> 00:52:52.360 It's kind of that, you know, kind of going in 796 00:52:52.440 --> 00:52:56.840 with a plan, gathering data and if we the ghost 797 00:52:56.920 --> 00:53:00.639 Dowding community can kind of some like get on the 798 00:53:00.679 --> 00:53:05.159 same page and get away from I guess I'm gonna 799 00:53:05.159 --> 00:53:09.559 say this, get away from the zach beganism, you know, 800 00:53:09.719 --> 00:53:13.119 and actually do some data collection and maybe we could 801 00:53:13.119 --> 00:53:18.360 share some results that with some good data, then then 802 00:53:18.559 --> 00:53:22.480 I could tell my friend who posted on the socials, hey, look, 803 00:53:22.719 --> 00:53:25.039 we're kind of starting to make a little bit of 804 00:53:25.039 --> 00:53:25.719 progress here. 805 00:53:26.159 --> 00:53:29.519 I one of my biggest things is I do wish 806 00:53:29.719 --> 00:53:32.880 more people in the paranormal feels, this includes all of it, 807 00:53:32.920 --> 00:53:39.599 ghost hunters, parapsychology. If more teams could team up. 808 00:53:39.480 --> 00:53:42.639 Together, yeah, to figure. 809 00:53:42.280 --> 00:53:46.760 Out, like you have all these ghost hunters and parapsychologies, 810 00:53:46.840 --> 00:53:50.079 and you know we talk about stuff like Emily Morgan 811 00:53:50.159 --> 00:53:54.480 the ALM. Why can't we team up together, yeah, to 812 00:53:54.559 --> 00:53:57.679 figure out because you know, we all do these like 813 00:53:58.920 --> 00:54:02.679 what was there some ghost lime best the one team 814 00:54:02.840 --> 00:54:06.679 that we Jefferson Hotel? Was it that one? We had 815 00:54:06.719 --> 00:54:10.519 like different teams going whoever found the most evidence on 816 00:54:10.559 --> 00:54:13.840 the whatever. It's like, but why can't we team up? 817 00:54:13.880 --> 00:54:17.920 And it's like a team goes in, the next team 818 00:54:17.960 --> 00:54:24.400 that goes in see if they match evidence, and then 819 00:54:24.480 --> 00:54:28.639 it's like the evidence that one team finds. Once all 820 00:54:28.719 --> 00:54:35.000 the teams they almost rotate it share information, and then 821 00:54:35.079 --> 00:54:38.360 now it's like, if it's our team, our group, we 822 00:54:38.440 --> 00:54:42.960 get group one's information because we're grouped two. Our groups 823 00:54:43.079 --> 00:54:45.719 information goes to group three and group three goes to one. 824 00:54:46.320 --> 00:54:51.079 So then we're all using each other's findings. 825 00:54:50.320 --> 00:54:56.599 To shareing and building a picture, a clearer, more accurate 826 00:54:56.679 --> 00:54:58.679 picture of what could be going on in that location. 827 00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:01.199 It's brilliant because. 828 00:55:03.000 --> 00:55:06.880 All under parapsychology, hey like, hey, like what happens when 829 00:55:06.880 --> 00:55:08.760 you pull three different teams. 830 00:55:08.440 --> 00:55:11.079 That could be a study. 831 00:55:12.760 --> 00:55:17.360 I wish more good paranormal teams and psychologists and parapsychologists 832 00:55:17.360 --> 00:55:21.119 would do that. I wish that was my what that 833 00:55:21.159 --> 00:55:24.440 would probably be My one wish is like, hey, why 834 00:55:24.480 --> 00:55:27.440 are we not teaming up with other teams, other people 835 00:55:27.440 --> 00:55:30.559 in the field to make this work out? 836 00:55:30.760 --> 00:55:32.719 I think we should if we can, and I mean 837 00:55:32.760 --> 00:55:34.880 I think there would be some some teams that

would 838 00:55:34.880 --> 00:55:37.760 be genuinely interested in that. Yeah, but there are also 839 00:55:37.800 --> 00:55:40.320 some teams that well I just want to be an influencer, 840 00:55:40.559 --> 00:55:42.360 or I just want to get a TV show, or 841 00:55:42.440 --> 00:55:45.119 you know, there's or I just want to run around 842 00:55:45.159 --> 00:55:46.880 and get scared or I mean. 843 00:55:47.599 --> 00:55:53.679 Yeah, it's one thing I really enjoy is ghost Hunters. 844 00:55:54.360 --> 00:55:57.480 I mean you've had so many like from that one show. 845 00:55:57.559 --> 00:56:02.119 You have Kindred Spirits, Amy and Adam that came from 846 00:56:02.119 --> 00:56:07.159 that show that then pulled off and got their own stuff, but. 847 00:56:07.159 --> 00:56:08.840 Then they still did pretty decent work. 848 00:56:09.000 --> 00:56:12.719 Yeah, and they still pull in from like other shows, 849 00:56:12.800 --> 00:56:15.719 and they get other like you know, they team up 850 00:56:15.760 --> 00:56:20.199 with their friends, trusted people in that field. How are 851 00:56:20.199 --> 00:56:22.719 you supposed to know other trusted people if you don't 852 00:56:22.760 --> 00:56:24.320 ever work with other teams? 853 00:56:24.639 --> 00:56:26.239 Excellent point. 854 00:56:26.559 --> 00:56:29.360 So at one point, I mean that's how you kind 855 00:56:29.360 --> 00:56:33.719 of grow your your your index, your. 856 00:56:34.079 --> 00:56:37.360 Your data sharing, and your points of view. And different 857 00:56:37.360 --> 00:56:40.400 people come with different ideas and different backgrounds and different 858 00:56:40.480 --> 00:56:44.559 experiences and makes sense to me. There needs to be 859 00:56:44.599 --> 00:56:48.199 maybe like an online database too, where everybody can share 860 00:56:48.239 --> 00:56:51.719 their information can draw from that. That would be nice. 861 00:56:51.800 --> 00:56:54.840 Yeah, because I'm in and again we've talked about it this, 862 00:56:55.119 --> 00:56:58.320 it's how else are some of these newbies supposed to 863 00:56:58.400 --> 00:56:59.480 come in and get. 864 00:56:59.559 --> 00:57:06.559 Exact trusted experience. Good point, because if, like I said. 865 00:57:06.679 --> 00:57:10.760 I got lucky, I got lucky. Not everyone's as lucky 866 00:57:10.840 --> 00:57:15.239 as I am, but we're lucky to have. It's like, 867 00:57:15.880 --> 00:57:17.960 what are some of these neopies? I sit there and 868 00:57:18.039 --> 00:57:20.280 look at them, like how some of these neobies coming in? 869 00:57:20.960 --> 00:57:23.159 What are they thinking? What do they know? What they 870 00:57:23.199 --> 00:57:24.360 don't know? What do they want to know? 871 00:57:24.599 --> 00:57:30.320 Otherwise they just have the you know, certain TV shows 872 00:57:30.320 --> 00:57:31.559 to base it off of. 873 00:57:31.760 --> 00:57:34.320 And oh, y'all, if you're a newbie out there listening 874 00:57:34.360 --> 00:57:36.679 to this, the TV shows don't. Don't base things off 875 00:57:36.760 --> 00:57:38.639 the TV shows don't do it. 876 00:57:39.639 --> 00:57:42.960 So that's why I'm like, it'd be fun to research that. 877 00:57:42.920 --> 00:57:46.440 Part of it. That would be And that's that's that's 878 00:57:46.519 --> 00:57:50.719 just a really practical thing to want to work together 879 00:57:50.760 --> 00:57:53.920 and collaborate. And I mean, I think that's I think 880 00:57:54.159 --> 00:57:57.599 that's probably the way to move things forward. 881 00:57:57.880 --> 00:58:00.320 I don't move the needle, right, you gotta move don't 882 00:58:01.400 --> 00:58:03.000 just a little bit a little. 883 00:58:03.719 --> 00:58:06.920 But oh, I should probably wrap up. I did want to. 884 00:58:07.000 --> 00:58:10.039 I wanted to make one final point, and we've I 885 00:58:10.079 --> 00:58:12.400 don't want to go way off on a tangent on this, 886 00:58:13.119 --> 00:58:16.440 there's lots of fun tech, lots of fun ghost hunting tech, 887 00:58:17.440 --> 00:58:22.599 but none of the devices were designed, at least none 888 00:58:22.639 --> 00:58:26.280 of the reputable devices were designed to detect ghosts. We 889 00:58:26.320 --> 00:58:29.440 don't know what ghosts are yet. Okay, technically we do not. 890 00:58:29.679 --> 00:58:31.719 We have some ideas, and they may be right, they 891 00:58:31.719 --> 00:58:36.199 may not be right. But most of our tools are 892 00:58:37.199 --> 00:58:42.599 measuring the environment somehow, whether it's it's temperature or movement 893 00:58:43.039 --> 00:58:50.159 or electricity or documenting things like photos, video audio. We 894 00:58:50.199 --> 00:58:54.119 aren't detecting ghosts, but we are detecting changes and anomalies 895 00:58:54.159 --> 00:58:58.000 in the environment. But even doing that, just going in 896 00:58:58.039 --> 00:59:01.280 and doing those types of things doesn't necessarily mean you're 897 00:59:01.280 --> 00:59:05.639 doing a scientific study or you're doing research. Those are tools, 898 00:59:05.719 --> 00:59:11.320 Those are scientific instruments you can use for research. But 899 00:59:12.360 --> 00:59:17.000 just because you're going into a building that you think 900 00:59:17.079 --> 00:59:20.000 is haunted with an EMF meter and running around and 901 00:59:20.039 --> 00:59:23.760 taking you know, oh look it's the needles moving doesn't 902 00:59:23.760 --> 00:59:27.400 make it a scientific study. So you know, use your 903 00:59:27.440 --> 00:59:30.519 tech correctly. Yeah, that's a whole different episode that I 904 00:59:30.519 --> 00:59:31.400 think we've already done. 905 00:59:31.960 --> 00:59:38.760 Yes, yes, anything you want to add, Nope, Nope, let's. 906 00:59:38.599 --> 00:59:40.400 Get those skeptics on there. That would be such a 907 00:59:40.400 --> 00:59:41.440 spicy episode. 908 00:59:41.679 --> 00:59:42.880 Oh that would be so good. 909 00:59:43.199 --> 00:59:48.519 Yeah, get my friend and get your dad. Maybe a 910 00:59:48.519 --> 00:59:54.880 couple more. We can find some yikes. That'd be awesome. 911 00:59:55.239 --> 00:59:58.920 Yikes to ghost centers and a bunch of skeptics. 912 00:59:59.159 --> 01:00:03.960 I'm for it. It'd be awesome. Get the psychics, Get 913 01:00:04.079 --> 01:00:06.800 like two skeptics. That'd be fun. Get like two skeptics, 914 01:00:07.119 --> 01:00:12.599 two psychics, two ghost ounners. That'd be a fun episode. 915 01:00:12.639 --> 01:00:16.239 We're gonna have to do it. Oh, do a big 916 01:00:16.360 --> 01:00:16.960 round table. 917 01:00:17.199 --> 01:00:20.039 Okay, Robbie, you're coming back. We're getting a date and everything. 918 01:00:21.840 --> 01:00:26.559 Uh mister skeptic friend person thing you're you're coming on? 919 01:00:26.719 --> 01:00:30.199 Okay, okay talk Yeah, well we'll get it worked out. 920 01:00:30.519 --> 01:00:34.800 Okay, thanks and dad, have fun my dad. 921 01:00:35.360 --> 01:00:40.880 My dad wants to worry about, need to worry about. 922 01:00:41.559 --> 01:00:42.239 You'll degory. 923 01:00:43.119 --> 01:00:48.039 He'd be like, yeah, exactly, yeah, yes, convincing the skeptics. 924 01:00:48.280 --> 01:00:51.960 We can tempt it with cookies or something. There will 925 01:00:52.000 --> 01:00:52.599 be cookies. 926 01:00:53.360 --> 01:00:57.800 Oh no, yeah, ghost cookies. 927 01:00:57.559 --> 01:01:04.840 Ghost cookies, yes, boberry opods. Oh okay, good sign you 928 01:01:04.880 --> 01:01:07.559 wrap up? All right, thank you everybody. 929 01:01:07.679 --> 01:01:09.480 We'll see you next time. 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