النص الكامل لحلقة Creating a Ghost

and you can connect it pretty much 72 00:04:47.959 --> 00:04:50.839 wirelessly and it makes life a lot easier. 73 00:04:51.279 --> 00:04:54.920 That sounds amazing. I'm all for anything wireless and simple. 74 00:04:55.279 --> 00:05:00.720 These are fantastic. If most videohographers have a said of these, 75 00:05:02.079 --> 00:05:06.519 I I'm a little extra and I have to well, 76 00:05:06.680 --> 00:05:10.279 you know you're a professional photographer, so I can understand that. 77 00:05:11.160 --> 00:05:16.040 So and they're the road Yes, I'm just gonna take 78 00:05:16.040 --> 00:05:16.959 a quick picture here. 79 00:05:17.160 --> 00:05:20.160 They are road wireless goes and I use them all 80 00:05:20.199 --> 00:05:25.000 the time. And they have the actually they're actually Mike's. 81 00:05:25.240 --> 00:05:29.959 I can connect them to like a regular recording Mike. 82 00:05:30.800 --> 00:05:35.079 Cool. Yeah, Well, so next time I have said that 83 00:05:35.120 --> 00:05:44.000 those are Hello anybody there, But that's Okay, next time 84 00:05:44.000 --> 00:05:45.079 we'll do the EVP thing. 85 00:05:45.360 --> 00:05:47.199 Yeah, I'm excited to do that now. 86 00:05:47.319 --> 00:05:50.240 Yeah I am too. That'd be cool. You know, we've 87 00:05:50.240 --> 00:05:52.839 got a lot going on here, so you know, and 88 00:05:52.920 --> 00:05:54.879 I'll bring my EMF meters again so we can try 89 00:05:54.879 --> 00:05:55.240 and de len. 90 00:05:55.439 --> 00:05:57.319 Yes, okay. 91 00:05:57.360 --> 00:06:00.000 Anyway, well now we should probably jump into the episod. 92 00:06:00.079 --> 00:06:04.240 So this topic is a really interesting one, and it 93 00:06:04.399 --> 00:06:08.240 kind of, at least it's interesting to me. It kind 94 00:06:08.279 --> 00:06:12.439 of crosses the boundaries between you know, ghosts and all 95 00:06:12.480 --> 00:06:17.959 the paranormal stuff and parapsychology and whether or not we 96 00:06:18.680 --> 00:06:25.560 are able to create ghosts, and that's you know, kind 97 00:06:25.560 --> 00:06:29.439 of the topic is can you create your own ghost? 98 00:06:29.800 --> 00:06:36.160 And there's some kind of intriguing stories and experiments that 99 00:06:36.199 --> 00:06:43.560 have been done that really hint at that. So we're 100 00:06:43.600 --> 00:06:46.439 gonna be talking about things like the slender Man and 101 00:06:46.480 --> 00:06:51.959 the Philip experiment and mediums and Poltergeist and all that 102 00:06:52.000 --> 00:06:55.959 good stuff. And so I don't know if you've got 103 00:06:55.959 --> 00:07:00.319 a chance to find dig around and find anything about 104 00:07:00.360 --> 00:07:00.879 that or not. 105 00:07:01.680 --> 00:07:06.800 So I kind of like re I had some stuff research, 106 00:07:06.920 --> 00:07:09.360 so I kind of skimmed over that and just to 107 00:07:09.959 --> 00:07:12.199 relook at it and did a little bit of research, 108 00:07:12.839 --> 00:07:14.800 and I know that we had kind of talked about 109 00:07:14.839 --> 00:07:18.879 it on previous episodes at least like poultry Geist. Yeah, 110 00:07:18.920 --> 00:07:25.040 and how that plays into it, because I do think that, 111 00:07:26.079 --> 00:07:31.199 especially with poultry Geist, it's I guess most easier to 112 00:07:31.399 --> 00:07:36.199 explain away with it. But there there's so many avenues 113 00:07:36.279 --> 00:07:39.000 you can go with this. 114 00:07:39.519 --> 00:07:41.800 Yeah, well that's a yeah, that's like I said, I 115 00:07:41.879 --> 00:07:44.399 got like tons of notes, and no, I'm not going 116 00:07:44.439 --> 00:07:47.199 to go through all of my notes, but I have 117 00:07:47.279 --> 00:07:52.600 some questions. So here if you here's the first one. 118 00:07:52.600 --> 00:07:55.399 We'll just start off with this one. If you and 119 00:07:55.600 --> 00:08:01.079 five friends tried to invent a ghost, complete with a backstory, 120 00:08:01.160 --> 00:08:03.720 you know, you make up the ghost. How long do 121 00:08:03.759 --> 00:08:07.120 you think it would take before someone swore they felt something? 122 00:08:08.480 --> 00:08:12.240 What do you think it's like you made you know, 123 00:08:12.360 --> 00:08:15.120 you made up the ghosts? They are our ghost hunting group. 124 00:08:15.519 --> 00:08:16.560 We made up a ghost. 125 00:08:19.639 --> 00:08:23.759 I don't I really don't think. I would say probably 126 00:08:23.839 --> 00:08:25.839 max thirty minutes an hour. 127 00:08:26.519 --> 00:08:29.279 I think you're right because. 128 00:08:29.199 --> 00:08:32.519 And I only say that, and I mean I know 129 00:08:32.639 --> 00:08:37.600 it's televised, but Kindred Spirits did I don't know have 130 00:08:37.679 --> 00:08:43.159 you seen that episode? No? No, so I know you 131 00:08:43.200 --> 00:08:45.919 and I have talked about this and that. Those two 132 00:08:45.960 --> 00:08:51.360 it's Adam and Amym. They tore off from Ghost Hunters 133 00:08:51.720 --> 00:08:56.919 and started I don't know how the show started anyway, 134 00:08:57.440 --> 00:09:01.279 They're partaking in a show called Kinderspits and they actually 135 00:09:01.320 --> 00:09:02.360 did this experiment. 136 00:09:02.840 --> 00:09:04.279 Oh well, talk about that. 137 00:09:04.799 --> 00:09:11.039 And essentially what they did was they created a spirit, 138 00:09:11.639 --> 00:09:17.399 wrote all the aspects like name, age, time period, and 139 00:09:17.440 --> 00:09:22.320 then said it out loud and stated it as if 140 00:09:22.360 --> 00:09:28.360 it was factual, waited a little bit, went back, and 141 00:09:30.200 --> 00:09:34.639 then asked questions about said ghost to see what would happen, 142 00:09:34.799 --> 00:09:38.960 and it was then stating some of the facts that 143 00:09:39.080 --> 00:09:41.879 they had set prior. 144 00:09:42.600 --> 00:09:43.320 That's so cool. 145 00:09:43.840 --> 00:09:46.679 So it's a pretty cool experiment, and I've seen it 146 00:09:46.720 -->

00:09:49.960 again televised. But I feel like if you were to 147 00:09:49.960 --> 00:09:55.440 give it about thirty minutes an hour, it what I 148 00:09:55.480 --> 00:09:59.519 think it would. That's enough time for the spirits too 149 00:10:00.639 --> 00:10:04.080 be like oh yeah, or for something to manifest, cause 150 00:10:04.120 --> 00:10:06.039 you're giving it enough energy. 151 00:10:07.080 --> 00:10:09.840 It's yeah and see, And I think, to me, I 152 00:10:09.879 --> 00:10:13.200 agree with you on our particular group, like, and that's 153 00:10:13.279 --> 00:10:17.120 basically what the the original Philip. 154 00:10:16.720 --> 00:10:17.879 Experiment was about. 155 00:10:18.000 --> 00:10:19.960 You had these This is like back in the nineteen 156 00:10:19.960 --> 00:10:25.039 seventies and you had these researchers in Canada, and yeah, 157 00:10:25.080 --> 00:10:28.440 they created Philip the Ghost and he had this big 158 00:10:28.559 --> 00:10:31.639 backstory lived in the seventeen hundreds, and they were like 159 00:10:31.679 --> 00:10:35.039 really detailed, and he was some lord and fought battles 160 00:10:35.080 --> 00:10:39.279 and had this romance, the whole deal. And they would 161 00:10:39.360 --> 00:10:43.879 sit around a table and you know, basically have a 162 00:10:43.960 --> 00:10:47.440 seance and try to summon Philip. And it took them 163 00:10:47.960 --> 00:10:51.159 a year, so it took them a really long time. 164 00:10:52.639 --> 00:10:57.720 But yeah, what eventually happened was Philip quote unquote the 165 00:10:57.759 --> 00:11:02.799 ghost started interacting with them and answering questions and making 166 00:11:02.799 --> 00:11:05.440 the table move across the room and levitating the table. 167 00:11:05.519 --> 00:11:07.440 And there's like videos of this on the internet. It's 168 00:11:07.440 --> 00:11:15.159 a really famous experiment. And so what they found is that, 169 00:11:16.399 --> 00:11:18.919 I thought this was kind of interesting that when they 170 00:11:19.159 --> 00:11:23.600 relaxed and were kind of like comfortable with the situation 171 00:11:23.960 --> 00:11:26.159 and each other and everything and kind of almost like 172 00:11:26.679 --> 00:11:30.960 having fun and joking around, that's when the activity would happen. 173 00:11:32.159 --> 00:11:35.159 And so they caught onto that and it became pretty 174 00:11:35.159 --> 00:11:37.279 consistent when they were just kind of, hey, we're just 175 00:11:37.360 --> 00:11:39.960 kind of chill and we're relaxed and having a good time. 176 00:11:40.480 --> 00:11:43.240 And that's why I think of our group did that 177 00:11:43.919 --> 00:11:47.720 because we have people in the group that are psychically sensitive, 178 00:11:48.120 --> 00:11:51.679 which I think has something to do with it, as 179 00:11:51.679 --> 00:11:54.159 well as we know each other really well and we're 180 00:11:54.240 --> 00:11:59.759 very comfortable with one another. And I guess

the big 181 00:11:59.840 --> 00:12:03.200 question is, and you know, maybe we can come back 182 00:12:03.200 --> 00:12:06.480 to this later, but the big question is is what's 183 00:12:06.519 --> 00:12:10.600 going on? I mean, are we are minds making this up? 184 00:12:11.080 --> 00:12:14.679 Or are we is there like a spirit out there 185 00:12:14.840 --> 00:12:19.440 just waiting for an opportunity to Oh, look, they're summoning 186 00:12:19.519 --> 00:12:22.879 me kind of like what the mediums do? I mean, 187 00:12:22.960 --> 00:12:25.399 that's kind of where I'm at. I don't I don't know, 188 00:12:26.080 --> 00:12:26.559 I don't know. 189 00:12:27.159 --> 00:12:31.559 I think it. Also, the question comes up for me 190 00:12:31.879 --> 00:12:37.240 is how much time and energy is said person or 191 00:12:37.320 --> 00:12:40.679 group of people putting into it, Because I definitely feel like, 192 00:12:41.960 --> 00:12:47.639 if you know, for two people, it would it's that's 193 00:12:47.679 --> 00:12:51.200 a lot of more energy for two people to try 194 00:12:51.240 --> 00:12:55.320 to create an energy, whereas if it's a group of 195 00:12:59.399 --> 00:13:04.159 I'm sorry, it's my afternoony on time. 196 00:13:04.320 --> 00:13:10.960 And again that's another topic for another day. 197 00:13:10.320 --> 00:13:14.039 But anyway, it's definitely like compared to a group of 198 00:13:14.080 --> 00:13:19.159 five or six people, whereas it's because you're pulling energy 199 00:13:19.440 --> 00:13:25.279 from multiple energy packs. In a sense, it takes less 200 00:13:25.320 --> 00:13:28.679 from each individual person to have to put effort. 201 00:13:29.759 --> 00:13:32.159 I think you're right, you know, I think you're right 202 00:13:32.240 --> 00:13:36.399 because the next thing that I was I was looking 203 00:13:36.480 --> 00:13:41.519 at here was like, what's the secret sauce? What are 204 00:13:41.519 --> 00:13:47.000 the ingredients that seem necessary to create a ghost? And 205 00:13:48.639 --> 00:13:56.639 got a list of you know, emotional intensity, group focus, ritual, 206 00:13:57.559 --> 00:14:02.200 Darkness and expectator, Thank you chat GPT. This is not 207 00:14:02.320 --> 00:14:05.120 my list, this is the AI list, but I thought 208 00:14:05.120 --> 00:14:09.519 it was a good list, and so as I was 209 00:14:09.600 --> 00:14:13.840 going through it, emotional intensity, I think, yeah, you know, 210 00:14:14.120 --> 00:14:16.799 because there again you're talking about how we're all we're 211 00:14:16.840 --> 00:14:20.440 all battery packs, and I agree with that. I think 212 00:14:20.480 --> 00:14:25.000 we're not just physical battery packs, but we're emotional and 213 00:14:25.120 --> 00:14:30.519 spiritual battery packs. And so yeah, I think emotional intensity, 214 00:14:30.600 --> 00:14:33.919 like intent would be a part of it, you know, 215 00:14:33.960 --> 00:14:36.840 in focus, like the whole group, Like you said, I 216 00:14:36.840 --> 00:14:41.919 think it would take less energy if five people were 217 00:14:41.960 --> 00:14:46.039 contributing instead of just one or two. And I thought 218 00:14:46.200 --> 00:14:50.399 ritual was interesting, and so I asked my friend Brian 219 00:14:50.559 --> 00:14:56.240 Laithe and he is He's one of the researchers that 220 00:14:56.279 --> 00:15:00.360 I do research with. And he's also I think we've 221 00:15:00.360 --> 00:15:02.960 mentioned him on the show before. I don't know, he's 222 00:15:03.000 --> 00:15:06.799 he's wild. I I love I love Brian. Brian, if 223 00:15:06.799 --> 00:15:09.480 you're listening, I love you, man, you're great. But he 224 00:15:09.759 --> 00:15:15.919 is wild. He's no cultist, and he does magic and 225 00:15:16.159 --> 00:15:23.639 spell work and talks to demons and angels. Yeah, he's Yeah, 226 00:15:23.639 --> 00:15:27.720 he's out there and he's like one of the smartest 227 00:15:27.799 --> 00:15:31.600 people I know. But he does a lot of rituals, 228 00:15:32.039 --> 00:15:35.639 a lot of magic rituals and spells and things. And 229 00:15:35.720 --> 00:15:38.480 so as I was preparing today, I texted him and 230 00:15:38.519 --> 00:15:41.799 I said, hey, I go, do you think it's important 231 00:15:42.080 --> 00:15:45.519 that to you know, quote unquote create a ghost or 232 00:15:45.559 --> 00:15:50.600 maybe someone a ghost or whatever, the ritual is important? 233 00:15:50.720 --> 00:15:52.440 Because I was in I was on the fence on 234 00:15:52.480 --> 00:15:53.879 that one. I'm like, do you have to like be 235 00:15:53.919 --> 00:15:58.240 all formal and have a ritual? And he said, yes, 236 00:15:58.960 --> 00:16:01.879 he said, and I wrote it down here it says 237 00:16:01.919 --> 00:16:06.440 Brian says, yes if you want precision. Otherwise it just 238 00:16:06.519 --> 00:16:09.480 takes on the desires of the person or people projecting 239 00:16:09.519 --> 00:16:12.879 it over time. So I think it kind of you 240 00:16:13.440 --> 00:16:18.480 depending on you know, whether you're having focus and a 241 00:16:18.600 --> 00:16:24.720 ritual for something specific or to summon something specifically, it's 242 00:16:24.840 --> 00:16:29.759 just gonna be kind of this mishmash of consciousnesses is 243 00:16:30.240 --> 00:16:30.919 coming together. 244 00:16:31.080 --> 00:16:34.159 I don't know. Yeah, I mean I can see that 245 00:16:34.519 --> 00:16:38.919 because I mean, in an investigation, a lot of the time, 246 00:16:38.960 --> 00:16:42.120 like we always talk about, it's what you go in with, 247 00:16:42.600 --> 00:16:47.600 and I actually just I just saw this. It's your 248 00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:50.720 Everyone talks about intent, it's your intent. If you go 249 00:16:50.799 --> 00:16:53.879 in with like a more fearful intent, it's gonna give 250 00:16:53.919 --> 00:16:57.840 you more of a fearful reaction. It's gonna almost try 251 00:16:57.840 --> 00:17:03.039 to scare you. So when

you're creating attempting to create this, 252 00:17:05.480 --> 00:17:07.440 as I thought, I saw something. 253 00:17:07.160 --> 00:17:09.640 But I was gonna say it almost looked like someone 254 00:17:09.759 --> 00:17:11.759 was sitting in the chair. But I don't think so. 255 00:17:13.079 --> 00:17:15.680 We're looking at the SLS camera right now as we're 256 00:17:15.720 --> 00:17:17.000 talking about intent and. 257 00:17:17.000 --> 00:17:27.880 Rich but you're if you go in being respectful ish, 258 00:17:27.920 --> 00:17:33.759 you know, most if should show respect back because ninety 259 00:17:33.799 --> 00:17:37.759 percent of the time you're gonna run into quote unquote 260 00:17:37.799 --> 00:17:44.720 quote human spirits rather than something that's not. I mean, 261 00:17:44.799 --> 00:17:50.200 it's just it's easier to prove human spirits after death 262 00:17:50.400 --> 00:17:54.640 room the earth than it is something like more of 263 00:17:54.680 --> 00:18:01.839 an elemental so Native American skinwalkers, gens, whatever you want to. 264 00:18:02.240 --> 00:18:05.920 It's easier to prove a human spirit than the other stuff. 265 00:18:06.440 --> 00:18:10.319 Yeah, and I yeah, I think that's really important too. Yeah, 266 00:18:10.359 --> 00:18:14.240 it's it's like, what kind of intent are you coming 267 00:18:14.400 --> 00:18:18.519 into this with, whether or not it's something that we're 268 00:18:18.640 --> 00:18:21.880 creating with our minds, because I think that's a possibility 269 00:18:21.920 --> 00:18:24.640 too that we can genuinely. We'll talk about Tulpa's here 270 00:18:24.640 --> 00:18:27.200 in just a minute, because that's where that really goes, 271 00:18:28.480 --> 00:18:32.680 whether we're creating something with our minds or whether we're 272 00:18:32.680 --> 00:18:35.799 calling something in I think of you know, we've talked 273 00:18:35.839 --> 00:18:39.599 about this too on the show before where and then 274 00:18:39.640 --> 00:18:44.400 we keep looking at the sls nothing yet but the 275 00:18:44.480 --> 00:18:48.880 chair looks kind of weird anyway. But yeah, we talk 276 00:18:48.920 --> 00:18:51.680 about we've talked about this where you know, some groups 277 00:18:51.720 --> 00:18:54.680 we do not do this, but some groups will come in. 278 00:18:54.599 --> 00:18:58.960 And hey, demon, you know, get out here and show yourself, 279 00:18:59.200 --> 00:19:03.799 and you know, and they're being all provoking and rude 280 00:19:03.960 --> 00:19:05.960 and and and it's like. 281 00:19:05.960 --> 00:19:09.480 You know, what kind of reaction are you expecting? Do 282 00:19:09.519 --> 00:19:14.400 you want some angry spirit to come in here and 283 00:19:14.519 --> 00:19:17.319 smack you around or something I don't. I don't agree 284 00:19:17.359 --> 00:19:19.599 with that. I don't think that's a good thing to do. 285 00:19:20.000 --> 00:19:21.160 No, no, no, no. 286 00:19:22.240 --> 00:19:26.039 But yeah, so I can

get on board with AI's 287 00:19:26.119 --> 00:19:30.200 list their darkness. I don't know that darkness is necessary. 288 00:19:31.119 --> 00:19:32.640 I mean we. 289 00:19:34.599 --> 00:19:37.839 Investigate in places where sometimes it's dark, sometimes there's a 290 00:19:37.880 --> 00:19:41.319 few lights on, sometimes it's totally just bright and normal, 291 00:19:42.359 --> 00:19:47.839 And I don't know that darkness is a big deal. 292 00:19:48.119 --> 00:19:50.920 I think ghosts and I think this kind of stuff 293 00:19:50.960 --> 00:19:53.119 happens whether it's dark or light. 294 00:19:54.160 --> 00:19:58.400 Yeah. And I mean we always say time and place. 295 00:19:58.599 --> 00:20:04.319 There's never a specific time or place that a haunting 296 00:20:04.480 --> 00:20:08.319 might happen. I mean you have, yes, you have places 297 00:20:08.359 --> 00:20:14.240 that have a higher chance, Yeah, because of certain things happening. 298 00:20:15.079 --> 00:20:18.400 You know, hospitals are more prone to be haunted than 299 00:20:20.079 --> 00:20:23.519 say a house or whatever. You have a certain area 300 00:20:23.680 --> 00:20:28.079 where crime rate is higher, so those places have a 301 00:20:28.200 --> 00:20:35.960 higher chance of being active. But as far as time goes, 302 00:20:37.400 --> 00:20:43.200 I mean it's kind of like saying, somebody, if you 303 00:20:43.359 --> 00:20:49.799 go work out, do you go specifically you know, always 304 00:20:49.799 --> 00:20:52.839 the same time? Probably not. Some people, yes, try to 305 00:20:52.839 --> 00:20:57.000 go in the morning, whereas someone like me, it's like 306 00:20:57.079 --> 00:21:00.680 I wake up I mean early, but not too early. 307 00:21:01.119 --> 00:21:04.599 But also there are times that I go at one 308 00:21:04.640 --> 00:21:07.440 in the afternoon and then the next day I could 309 00:21:07.440 --> 00:21:08.799 get up and go at nine am. 310 00:21:09.680 --> 00:21:13.160 Yeah, so you know, yes, if there's actually a ghost 311 00:21:13.200 --> 00:21:16.440 in the area, that might not keep to a strict schedule. 312 00:21:16.960 --> 00:21:18.880 You know, it's kind of like when you know, catch 313 00:21:18.920 --> 00:21:21.079 it when you catch it. And I think that's really 314 00:21:21.079 --> 00:21:24.160 true of any kind of paranormal activity. I mean, you can't. 315 00:21:24.319 --> 00:21:30.440 It's it's unpredictable. I mean, I don't know of any 316 00:21:30.599 --> 00:21:35.200 place and listeners you can comment on this. I don't 317 00:21:35.240 --> 00:21:38.599 know of any place that you can go to and 318 00:21:38.680 --> 00:21:44.640 consistently get activity at you know, ten pm every Saturday 319 00:21:44.759 --> 00:21:47.480 night a ghost shows up, you know that type of thing. 320 00:21:47.480 --> 00:21:50.680 Wouldn't that be great? Doesn't seem to work that way 321 00:21:50.880 --> 00:21:57.440 at all. So so yeah, so and here I thought 322 00:21:57.480 --> 00:22:00.279 this was a really interesting question too. Do you think 323 00:22:00.279 --> 00:22:04.400 that ghosts, whether they're made up? And I think it 324 00:22:04.440 --> 00:22:06.880 depends on if they're made up or if they're real ghosts. 325 00:22:07.240 --> 00:22:11.039 Do you think ghosts need an audience? It's kind of 326 00:22:11.039 --> 00:22:12.920 like if a tree falls in the forest. 327 00:22:13.400 --> 00:22:19.880 Yeah, I mean I don't think so. I think it's 328 00:22:19.960 --> 00:22:25.279 just kind of happens if it's like residual energy. It 329 00:22:25.480 --> 00:22:27.400 just sort of there. 330 00:22:28.000 --> 00:22:31.599 Yeah, I agree with you. I agree with you. Now, 331 00:22:32.160 --> 00:22:35.920 if you are somebody that believes that all ghosts are 332 00:22:36.039 --> 00:22:40.039 just creations of people's minds, there's nothing supernatural or paranormal 333 00:22:40.079 --> 00:22:45.160 going on, then I can say, well, yeah, there's no 334 00:22:45.799 --> 00:22:51.559 people here, so because the energy and their thoughts towards 335 00:22:51.599 --> 00:22:53.599 creating this ghost, whatever it is, is going to not 336 00:22:53.640 --> 00:22:57.079 be here either because it's part of them. But if 337 00:22:57.119 --> 00:23:03.519 they've called in something other or something other, you know, 338 00:23:03.599 --> 00:23:07.400 inhabits that place, I don't think that there needs to 339 00:23:07.400 --> 00:23:10.839 be an audience. In fact, yeah, we've set up cameras 340 00:23:10.880 --> 00:23:13.240 and stuff, and I know other countless other ghost hunters 341 00:23:13.279 --> 00:23:15.640 and not even ghost hunters. You know, you can go 342 00:23:15.720 --> 00:23:21.039 online and people's security cameras and ring cameras, and I 343 00:23:21.079 --> 00:23:27.799 mean there's weird stuff that just happens when nobody's around. 344 00:23:27.359 --> 00:23:30.640 And I think that it's really it just goes back 345 00:23:30.640 --> 00:23:32.519 to intent, because if you think about it, a lot 346 00:23:32.559 --> 00:23:36.359 of these people you set up ring cameras and stuff 347 00:23:36.480 --> 00:23:40.319 not to catch the dead, but to catch the living 348 00:23:40.960 --> 00:23:44.480 in case, for whatever outer reason, they decide to go 349 00:23:44.680 --> 00:23:48.720 into your house. Yeah, and it happens by accident that 350 00:23:48.799 --> 00:23:55.839 they end up capturing something that's paranormal. Yeah, and they're 351 00:23:55.839 --> 00:24:00.319 not looking for an audience. They're not purposefully like, oh 352 00:24:00.359 --> 00:24:03.319 I'm gonna catch a ghost. It just kind of happens. 353 00:24:03.680 --> 00:24:05.720 It kind of happens, Yeah, because there's some people that 354 00:24:06.000 --> 00:24:08.279 you know, they are not into this, and they'll be like, 355 00:24:08.720 --> 00:24:11.519 oh man, I've been contacted by people like that. It's like, 356 00:24:11.559 --> 00:24:13.839 I'm not

into this whole paranormal and ghost thing. But 357 00:24:14.440 --> 00:24:16.400 you got to see what I caught on my camera. 358 00:24:17.200 --> 00:24:23.160 So yeah, that's just totally unexpected and spontaneous and nobody 359 00:24:23.160 --> 00:24:28.759 around and nobody putting out that expectation or that energy 360 00:24:29.680 --> 00:24:33.480 or anything like that. So yeah, I I tend to 361 00:24:33.519 --> 00:24:37.240 think it depends on what's going on, you know, like 362 00:24:37.279 --> 00:24:41.880 I said earlier, if everybody is putting their intent towards 363 00:24:42.079 --> 00:24:46.039 making a ghost, making something happen in the environment, Yeah, 364 00:24:46.079 --> 00:24:49.680 when they've gone away, I would think that that energy 365 00:24:49.720 --> 00:24:53.880 would dissipate, or who knows, maybe it just might hang around. 366 00:24:54.279 --> 00:24:54.759 I don't know. 367 00:24:55.319 --> 00:24:59.119 Yeah, it's crazy. I mean we've kind of talked about 368 00:25:01.119 --> 00:25:05.920 like how that partakes with poultry geist, and yeah, it's 369 00:25:06.000 --> 00:25:08.799 a lot of it's once you stop giving it attention, Yes, 370 00:25:09.079 --> 00:25:14.000 it'll stop, but you never know because you know, once 371 00:25:14.039 --> 00:25:17.680 you say if you move, somebody else goes in mm hmmm. 372 00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:23.160 And maybe for we know it tests, it's luck and 373 00:25:23.200 --> 00:25:25.160 it's like, let's see if these people will give me 374 00:25:25.200 --> 00:25:27.519 attention so that way I could feed off of it. 375 00:25:28.119 --> 00:25:31.079 Yeah, well that's true too, And that's something that in 376 00:25:31.200 --> 00:25:35.759 parapsychology it's called contagion. And it's just like it sounds 377 00:25:36.000 --> 00:25:41.480 where and this is kind of freaky. But another researcher 378 00:25:41.519 --> 00:25:45.839 that we worked with, Darren Ritzen gosh Man, he scored 379 00:25:46.880 --> 00:25:50.519 the poulter Geist case. If y'all want a good Poultergeist story, 380 00:25:50.640 --> 00:25:53.279 read the South Shields Poltergeist. I think I've mentioned it 381 00:25:53.319 --> 00:25:56.920 maybe a couple times on here already. I mean, he 382 00:25:57.319 --> 00:26:02.079 lives over in England. But just this crazy Poulter guy's 383 00:26:02.200 --> 00:26:06.720 case with their child teleporting from the bedroom into a closet, 384 00:26:07.680 --> 00:26:11.799 butter dripping from the ceiling, knives levitating and being thrown 385 00:26:11.839 --> 00:26:17.960 across the room, objects moving, just crazy, crazy, crazy. But 386 00:26:18.720 --> 00:26:22.319 he was one of the investigators and what he found 387 00:26:22.759 --> 00:26:26.319 was that even when he was done investigating and a 388 00:26:26.359 --> 00:26:30.880 couple of the other investigators had the same experiences. They 389 00:26:30.920 --> 00:26:34.759 would go home and have Poultergeist activities start to happen 390 00:26:34.799 --> 00:26:37.799 in their houses, their own houses, And he says as 391 00:26:37.920 --> 00:26:41.599 time went on, as you know, like like the first week, 392 00:26:41.599 --> 00:26:44.440 it was, you know, pretty steady, and then after a 393 00:26:44.480 --> 00:26:47.920 couple of weeks, it kind of calmed down, and now, 394 00:26:47.960 --> 00:26:49.880 you know, now I don't have any kind of activity 395 00:26:49.920 --> 00:26:52.720 in my house. So that I look at that, it's like, 396 00:26:53.640 --> 00:26:55.599 what is going on? Is this some kind of energy 397 00:26:55.720 --> 00:27:00.119 that you're taking with you or maybe I don't know. Oh, 398 00:27:00.200 --> 00:27:03.920 I thought it was really strange. I mean, I feel 399 00:27:03.960 --> 00:27:04.559 like it kind of. 400 00:27:04.519 --> 00:27:09.359 Reminds me of the whole fake casey thing, like because 401 00:27:09.400 --> 00:27:11.880 I remember the last time that you and I were there, 402 00:27:12.000 --> 00:27:14.920 we had asked him like, oh, do you go with me? 403 00:27:14.960 --> 00:27:17.480 And he was like, oh, yeah, every once in a while, 404 00:27:17.640 --> 00:27:22.880 like go over with her. And it's like it's been 405 00:27:23.480 --> 00:27:26.559 months since I've been there, and it's like, how does 406 00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:31.880 he find his way to me? If like I'm not 407 00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:36.039 there so consistent like someone like Rob I can understand 408 00:27:36.119 --> 00:27:40.480 like him going with him, yeah, because yeah, he's constantly 409 00:27:40.839 --> 00:27:44.960 in and out of the theater, whereas me, I'm only 410 00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:48.759 there like once once or twice a year. I don't know. 411 00:27:49.000 --> 00:27:53.440 I mean maybe there's that talks to location. You know, 412 00:27:53.640 --> 00:27:56.039 maybe I don't know how that would work. 413 00:27:56.200 --> 00:27:59.200 So that's kind of like it makes me think of 414 00:27:59.279 --> 00:28:01.759 that because I mean, like I said, we've asked him like, 415 00:28:02.759 --> 00:28:06.319 how does he does he follow me? Does he attach 416 00:28:06.440 --> 00:28:08.480 himself to me? And he's like, yeah, every once in 417 00:28:08.519 --> 00:28:09.160 a while. 418 00:28:08.960 --> 00:28:11.920 Like I'll go with her piggyback off. Yeah, that's creepy. 419 00:28:12.119 --> 00:28:14.319 By the way, Fake Casey, Yes, we've we've brought Fake 420 00:28:14.359 --> 00:28:17.279 Casey into the conversation a many times here. Fake Casey 421 00:28:17.400 --> 00:28:21.480 is a ghost that resides for the most part at 422 00:28:21.519 --> 00:28:24.119 the Palace Theater in Marlin. And the reason why we 423 00:28:24.200 --> 00:28:26.799 call him Fake Casey is because he's a liar and 424 00:28:27.200 --> 00:28:31.079 he said his name was Casey and it's not and 425 00:28:31.160 --> 00:28:35.200 we figured that out through some interactions. And for some reason, 426

00:28:36.039 --> 00:28:39.079 he has kind of a love hate relationship with Alison. 427 00:28:42.640 --> 00:28:47.680 Yeah we don't know why, but but yes, it's it's 428 00:28:47.720 --> 00:28:50.960 the enigma of fake Casey. So I don't know, he 429 00:28:51.079 --> 00:28:54.000 might follow you home, or he might watch you somehow. 430 00:28:54.079 --> 00:28:55.319 I don't know. That's kind of creepy. 431 00:28:55.680 --> 00:28:59.720 And again it kind of ties into because it's like, 432 00:29:00.160 --> 00:29:04.000 is it something that because we bring up often. 433 00:29:03.839 --> 00:29:07.640 Enough, Yeah, maybe we're manifesting something. 434 00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:11.720 That we're manifesting, or we're maybe bringing something up, or 435 00:29:11.759 --> 00:29:16.720 maybe just by simply talking about him that he's like, oh, 436 00:29:18.240 --> 00:29:22.039 like yeah, hello, Yeah, almost like the energy pool, so 437 00:29:22.160 --> 00:29:24.519 he feels like his energy is being pooled. 438 00:29:25.319 --> 00:29:27.440 I don't know. That's so crazy. 439 00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:33.640 I don't know. But again, yeah, it ties pretty well into. 440 00:29:33.400 --> 00:29:36.279 This, it does. It does because there again, I mean, 441 00:29:36.519 --> 00:29:42.319 we're exploring that big question of are the ghosts that 442 00:29:42.400 --> 00:29:44.599 we see and we interact with are they coming from 443 00:29:44.640 --> 00:29:47.279 our own minds and our own energy and our own 444 00:29:47.279 --> 00:29:53.359 intent or are they something that's already in the environment 445 00:29:54.319 --> 00:29:58.400 that we are calling to and they are responding to 446 00:29:58.640 --> 00:30:01.720 us and and they can feel our energy and like 447 00:30:01.759 --> 00:30:04.519 you said, you know, maybe feed off that energy or 448 00:30:04.559 --> 00:30:09.599 be drawn to that energy. So I mean it's a 449 00:30:09.640 --> 00:30:15.160 big question because you know, there are things like poultergeised 450 00:30:15.160 --> 00:30:19.000 activity where they have been able to trace it back 451 00:30:19.039 --> 00:30:23.759 to a specific person, usually like an adolescent, and they're 452 00:30:23.839 --> 00:30:28.160 under a lot of stress and they let off steam 453 00:30:28.480 --> 00:30:33.680 by telekinesis by moving stuff in the environment with their 454 00:30:33.720 --> 00:30:37.839 minds and they're not meaning to do it, and that's 455 00:30:37.880 --> 00:30:41.640 not every poulter geized case either, but they have found 456 00:30:41.640 --> 00:30:44.759 with a lot of them that's like somebody's energy is 457 00:30:44.920 --> 00:30:49.079 just being put out there in the environment in a 458 00:30:49.160 --> 00:30:56.880 destructive way, and that's like unintentional. I mean, people don't, hey, 459 00:30:56.880 --> 00:30:59.799 I'm going to make a Poltergeist today. But you know, 460 00:31:00.440 --> 00:31:06.240 but there are the people that do the tulpas and 461 00:31:06.319 --> 00:31:08.079 I wanted to get a little bit into the tulpa's 462 00:31:08.079 --> 00:31:11.200 and tulpla mancy and these are those, These are the 463 00:31:11.319 --> 00:31:14.920 crazy ones that Yeah, by the way, we're still looking. 464 00:31:15.559 --> 00:31:20.880 It's fake casey here, it's the hope. Yeah, people that 465 00:31:21.000 --> 00:31:25.319 practice tulpa mancy. It originated in like Tibet, but now 466 00:31:25.400 --> 00:31:29.880 there's like modern tulpa mancers. I guess you would say 467 00:31:30.119 --> 00:31:37.480 that create. They purposefully create a different, a whole different 468 00:31:37.559 --> 00:31:45.160 person in their heads. And what happens is that that 469 00:31:45.200 --> 00:31:50.079 person becomes like self aware. So it's like you've got 470 00:31:50.160 --> 00:31:52.640 a whole other person living in your head with you. 471 00:31:53.240 --> 00:31:55.720 But they have their own will and they can do 472 00:31:55.839 --> 00:32:02.000 whatever they want. And there have been like rare cases. 473 00:32:02.519 --> 00:32:05.559 I want to get that person's name right, if anybody 474 00:32:05.559 --> 00:32:11.240 wants to read about it, I got that. Excuse me, yeah, 475 00:32:11.279 --> 00:32:18.200 Alexandra David Neil. She was a spiritualist that looked at 476 00:32:18.720 --> 00:32:25.599 the observed Buddhist tulpa practices and she claims that not 477 00:32:25.640 --> 00:32:28.400 only did she create have this person that she created 478 00:32:28.440 --> 00:32:31.200 walking around in her head all the time, that she 479 00:32:31.400 --> 00:32:35.880 was able to jumped out of her brain and into 480 00:32:35.880 --> 00:32:40.319 the environment where other people could see it. And I 481 00:32:40.400 --> 00:32:43.200 thought that was pretty crazy. It was a monk, called 482 00:32:43.440 --> 00:32:48.799 she yeah, it was like a jolly monk that later 483 00:32:49.119 --> 00:32:52.559 developed independent thought and had to be destroyed. How they 484 00:32:52.599 --> 00:32:56.240 destroyed it, I do not know, but yeah, she said 485 00:32:56.279 --> 00:32:59.480 that others could see those forms that she created, and 486 00:32:59.519 --> 00:33:03.400 I thought that was really intriguing. So the tulpas are 487 00:33:03.480 --> 00:33:06.079 like the people that create them are like super intentional. 488 00:33:06.160 --> 00:33:08.279 I'm going to create a person that lives inside my head, 489 00:33:08.559 --> 00:33:13.960 and I see them as like basically imaginary friends on steroids. 490 00:33:15.680 --> 00:33:18.880 Because kids will, you know, create an imagined imaginary friend 491 00:33:18.880 --> 00:33:21.640 and they can see the imaginary friend, but nobody else can. 492 00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:25.920 But could you imagine if somebody, as an adult and 493 00:33:26.000 --> 00:33:30.279 maybe had some like psychic abilities or something, created this 494 00:33:30.400 --> 00:33:34.200

imaginary friend tult tulpa that was able to get outside 495 00:33:34.240 --> 00:33:37.279 their heads and walk around. 496 00:33:37.359 --> 00:33:43.079 It's yes, I never really thought of that. 497 00:33:43.519 --> 00:33:46.400 Yeah. Yeah, and people, I mean I've been to some 498 00:33:46.440 --> 00:33:51.279 of the Reddit forums on Tulfa's and and yeah, these 499 00:33:51.319 --> 00:33:55.440 people they're like, yeah, this my tulpa and it's like 500 00:33:55.599 --> 00:34:01.240 a whole other person living in their head and it's 501 00:34:01.240 --> 00:34:05.799 got a whole different personality. And I'm like, that's pretty freaky. 502 00:34:06.440 --> 00:34:09.199 I mean, how in the world does that work. And 503 00:34:09.280 --> 00:34:11.599 of course in the field of psychology, they say, well, 504 00:34:11.639 --> 00:34:17.440 that person's disassociating, and you know, because dissociative identity disorder 505 00:34:17.480 --> 00:34:20.159 is basically what they used to call multiple personalities disorder, 506 00:34:20.280 --> 00:34:24.719 so your identity splits off and splits and pieces. But 507 00:34:26.000 --> 00:34:31.079 they said, that's not really what's going on. These people 508 00:34:31.320 --> 00:34:35.079 aren't nuts, you know. I probably shouldn't say that, because 509 00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:38.719 people have, you know, these disorders. They they're yeah, it's 510 00:34:38.840 --> 00:34:42.199 it's not a mental illness, you know, in a lot 511 00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:47.920 of these cases, but there is a part of their mind. 512 00:34:48.039 --> 00:34:52.840 I guess that they've conjured up, for lack of a 513 00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:57.480 better word, a being that lives in their head. 514 00:34:58.519 --> 00:35:03.480 And so just because you mentioned this, and because it 515 00:35:04.440 --> 00:35:10.079 I feel like a lot of people that have mental illnesses, 516 00:35:10.440 --> 00:35:14.519 others discredit what they see or what they hear yes 517 00:35:14.599 --> 00:35:21.760 because of the illness. Now, granted, I feel like you, 518 00:35:21.760 --> 00:35:25.480 we definitely need to be paying attention to what they say, 519 00:35:25.679 --> 00:35:31.159 because I mean, for those that know that person closely 520 00:35:31.280 --> 00:35:36.480 and well enough know what it looks like for them, 521 00:35:36.559 --> 00:35:40.400 like their day to day. But then when they say 522 00:35:40.480 --> 00:35:45.039 something that's even off the wall for them, a lot 523 00:35:45.079 --> 00:35:48.440 of the time, it'll still get discredited and be like, oh, 524 00:35:48.480 --> 00:35:49.039 it's just a. 525 00:35:49.000 --> 00:35:50.639 Bad day, yeah for them. 526 00:35:51.199 --> 00:35:54.280 Well, why aren't we paying attention to those quote unquote 527 00:35:54.360 --> 00:35:59.119 bad days because maybe it is something that's not normal 528 00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:04.079 that hasn't been proven yet that falls under the paranormal 529 00:36:04.960 --> 00:36:06.639 world exactly. 530 00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:11.639 I completely agree with you on that one. Yeah, don't 531 00:36:11.679 --> 00:36:18.599 automatically just assume that what they're seeing isn't couldn't or 532 00:36:18.719 --> 00:36:21.199 couldn't be paranormal. It's like, oh, we're just going to 533 00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:23.599 take that off the table because you know, that's their 534 00:36:24.320 --> 00:36:27.039 their meds, or that's the they're just having a bad 535 00:36:27.119 --> 00:36:31.000 day or whatever it is. It's like, no, it absolutely 536 00:36:31.039 --> 00:36:33.760 could be something paranormal. And I like your point of 537 00:36:34.480 --> 00:36:39.920 when they start saying something that's unusual for them, you know, 538 00:36:40.400 --> 00:36:44.920 then then maybe it's yeah, pay attention to that because 539 00:36:44.920 --> 00:36:46.920 they can have experiences too. 540 00:36:47.239 --> 00:36:50.880 Yeah, And I like how you say the medication because 541 00:36:51.000 --> 00:36:55.760 especially when there is some kind of medication change, if 542 00:36:55.760 --> 00:37:01.000 you think about it, their psyche is for lack of 543 00:37:01.039 --> 00:37:05.519 a better term, is low because it's trying to adjust 544 00:37:05.639 --> 00:37:09.239 to the new medication. So it makes them more vulnerable, 545 00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:10.760 I guess is what I'm trying to get it. 546 00:37:10.639 --> 00:37:12.599 It makes them more vulnerable a good point. 547 00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:20.719 So they're in this weird version of their reality where 548 00:37:20.880 --> 00:37:26.079 maybe it is easier for them to see the spirits, 549 00:37:26.079 --> 00:37:29.760 for them to be able to create something that. 550 00:37:29.719 --> 00:37:31.599 Could be because it's. 551 00:37:32.079 --> 00:37:37.639 They're given enough time, they're given something's changing their energy 552 00:37:37.639 --> 00:37:43.880 field mentally and physically. Yeah, so they could create something 553 00:37:44.039 --> 00:37:45.880 that's there. And then all of a sudden, now they're 554 00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:52.079 stuck dealing with this new norm M that's pulling in 555 00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:54.920 something that we can't see. 556 00:37:55.159 --> 00:37:57.440 Yeah, and they're not being able to get help because 557 00:37:57.480 --> 00:38:00.679 everybody's going, oh no, no, having a day, or it's 558 00:38:00.719 --> 00:38:02.920 their meds or whatever. But you're absolutely right. I mean, 559 00:38:03.400 --> 00:38:05.920 if they're on any kind of medication, it could alter 560 00:38:06.159 --> 00:38:11.559 their their mental state to yeah, and making them more 561 00:38:11.599 --> 00:38:17.599 susceptible or more open to to paranormal activity. I mean, oh, Yeah, 562 00:38:17.599 --> 00:38:18.760 that's a really good point. 563 00:38:19.119 --> 00:38:20.920 I mean we see we see a lot of it 564 00:38:21.000 --> 00:38:25.559

with you know, trauma patients. They all of a sudden, 565 00:38:26.400 --> 00:38:29.480 you can start seeing things or hearing things that aren't 566 00:38:29.960 --> 00:38:33.840 they weren't even five hours before, they weren't able to see. 567 00:38:34.199 --> 00:38:40.280 Yeah, yeah, that s it's a really good point. Huh. Yeah, 568 00:38:40.440 --> 00:38:42.320 it's crazy. I mean it's crazy. Yeah. 569 00:38:42.440 --> 00:38:42.639 Yeah. 570 00:38:42.639 --> 00:38:46.559 All of this to me is just there's I keep 571 00:38:46.599 --> 00:38:52.119 coming back to, there's people interactions with I think I 572 00:38:52.360 --> 00:38:58.559 lean towards we're interacting with stuff we don't understand. I 573 00:38:58.760 --> 00:39:02.079 just and with that really religion episode that we just did, 574 00:39:02.800 --> 00:39:05.880 I mean, I think people are just wired up to 575 00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:12.320 interact with the supernatural. And like I said, my friend Brian, 576 00:39:12.760 --> 00:39:14.159 he would be a great one to have on this 577 00:39:14.239 --> 00:39:17.280 show because he's got his foot in two worlds where 578 00:39:17.320 --> 00:39:20.960 it's like, Okay, I'm a researcher, I know the psychology. 579 00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:24.400 I mean he's a sociologist and so he's like, I 580 00:39:24.519 --> 00:39:26.480 know that part of it, and he used to work, 581 00:39:26.719 --> 00:39:28.119 like I think he used to work in like a 582 00:39:28.159 --> 00:39:32.280 psych ward or in a mental hospital, and so he's 583 00:39:32.320 --> 00:39:34.559 got that part of it down. But he's also, like 584 00:39:34.599 --> 00:39:37.079 I said, I'm a magic practitioner, and I talked to 585 00:39:37.119 --> 00:39:42.039 demons and angels and Caspell's and and you know, he's 586 00:39:42.280 --> 00:39:49.960 very very comfortable recognizing that it's not all psychology and 587 00:39:50.000 --> 00:39:54.119 the scientific method. It's like, no, we have this other 588 00:39:54.199 --> 00:39:55.960 realm too, and it's just as real. 589 00:39:56.679 --> 00:40:00.840 And I just love how you tighten the last episode 590 00:40:00.880 --> 00:40:05.159 because when you really think about it, it's crazy how 591 00:40:05.199 --> 00:40:09.000 you can't like a religion can affect this does affect 592 00:40:09.039 --> 00:40:13.599 this kind of thing because you look at something, you know, 593 00:40:13.880 --> 00:40:18.199 someone that may not be religious, that's skeptical, but then 594 00:40:18.280 --> 00:40:22.039 you're like, hey, just for you know, just for giggles, 595 00:40:22.119 --> 00:40:25.119 let's see what happens, and you pair them up with 596 00:40:25.239 --> 00:40:29.320 someone that is religious. It's okay, let's just for just 597 00:40:29.400 --> 00:40:32.840 to see what happens. Let's see what happens. And then 598 00:40:32.840 --> 00:40:33.800 something occurs. 599 00:40:34.320 --> 00:40:36.079 Yeah, and then. 600 00:40:35.960 --> 00:40:39.239 You pull someone that's maybe religious and a skeptic, and 601 00:40:39.280 --> 00:40:44.559 then it's like, okay, here we go, and someone like us, 602 00:40:44.599 --> 00:40:50.400 it's religious but believes. What occurs when you have four 603 00:40:50.480 --> 00:40:57.480 people that are almost the same set of corners, just different. 604 00:40:57.519 --> 00:41:01.800 You have someone that's non religious skeptic, someone that's non 605 00:41:01.840 --> 00:41:05.960 religious beliefs religious is a skeptic but. 606 00:41:05.920 --> 00:41:08.920 Then religious beliefs, and then. 607 00:41:08.840 --> 00:41:10.920 You have these four different people. 608 00:41:10.960 --> 00:41:15.159 This convergence of these different viewpoints and energy. 609 00:41:15.519 --> 00:41:21.840 And it's like, hey, we're gonna create someone called Josie. Yeah, 610 00:41:21.880 --> 00:41:25.440 and just like, well, exactly what we're talking about, create 611 00:41:25.559 --> 00:41:26.920 this whole thing. What happens? 612 00:41:27.480 --> 00:41:31.199 Yeah? What what the heck will happen? Yeah, I'm a 613 00:41:31.239 --> 00:41:35.000 little too chicken to try that, because I mean, things 614 00:41:35.039 --> 00:41:38.280 do happen, and I mean, which I want to move into. Gosh, 615 00:41:38.280 --> 00:41:41.199 those are really good points that would be interesting now, 616 00:41:41.239 --> 00:41:44.320 but I want to move into the Internet now and 617 00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:46.960 AI and all of that. Because have you heard of 618 00:41:46.960 --> 00:41:47.679 the slender Man? 619 00:41:48.159 --> 00:41:48.559 Yes? 620 00:41:48.719 --> 00:41:53.039 Okay, yeah, so yeah, the slender Man? What is an 621 00:41:53.119 --> 00:42:01.199 Internet created entity? And basically there was this guy I've 622 00:42:01.199 --> 00:42:03.960 got let's see here. 623 00:42:04.000 --> 00:42:06.679 I'm gonna say, I feel like this is something that 624 00:42:06.760 --> 00:42:12.440 happened more so with like my generation. It became really 625 00:42:12.519 --> 00:42:17.239 big with my group of h people. 626 00:42:17.639 --> 00:42:22.119 Yeah, the ninety two thousand people. Yeah, well yeah, because 627 00:42:22.119 --> 00:42:24.679 that was kind of like the beginnings of the Internet 628 00:42:24.719 --> 00:42:30.760 and everything. And but yeah, this guy Eric Knudsen, Yeah, 629 00:42:30.920 --> 00:42:35.519 he there was like a photoshop paranormal image contest, and 630 00:42:35.559 --> 00:42:40.559 so what he did was he put just he took 631 00:42:40.639 --> 00:42:46.159 some picked some photos and he created this photoshopped slender man, 632 00:42:46.320 --> 00:42:51.719 this tall, dark figure, ominous figure, and then posted something 633 00:42:51.760 --> 00:42:56.280 about missing children, and then the thing went viral. I mean, 634 00:42:56.320 --> 00:43:00.000 the whole thing went viral about this this tall dark 635 00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:04.239 slender man into tea and how it

takes children. And 636 00:43:04.320 --> 00:43:09.119 so what happened was You've got this Internet, because it 637 00:43:09.159 --> 00:43:11.000 was like all over Reddit and stuff, You've got this 638 00:43:11.159 --> 00:43:16.960 Internet created into tea and people started having sightings of 639 00:43:17.519 --> 00:43:20.719 the slender Man. And so I look at that and 640 00:43:20.760 --> 00:43:24.599 I'm like, well, what happens there? I mean, did all 641 00:43:24.679 --> 00:43:29.079 this collective energy from the Internet create something or was 642 00:43:29.119 --> 00:43:33.280 it just people's imagination kind of running away with them 643 00:43:33.840 --> 00:43:35.239 or what I mean? 644 00:43:36.840 --> 00:43:39.159 I feel like this falls back when at the beginning 645 00:43:39.360 --> 00:43:42.880 episode is how many people and energy? Because you had 646 00:43:43.000 --> 00:43:48.760 millions of people, millions of putting time, effort, energy into 647 00:43:48.800 --> 00:43:53.440 this one idea. Yep, and then all of a sudden 648 00:43:53.559 --> 00:43:56.719 at a note where you're having millions or if not 649 00:43:57.079 --> 00:43:59.920 hundreds of thousands of sightings. 650 00:43:59.519 --> 00:44:03.920 Oh yeah, I say probably millions global, yeah, over this 651 00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:05.599 one thing. Yeah. 652 00:44:05.639 --> 00:44:09.679 So was it something that one man started and then, 653 00:44:10.079 --> 00:44:13.000 just like you were saying, became viral and now it's 654 00:44:13.000 --> 00:44:17.719 a thing. Yeah, I mean, but I don't know it 655 00:44:17.840 --> 00:44:22.480 begsn't just other stuff like Bigfoot and you know, so 656 00:44:22.559 --> 00:44:25.199 it's like are we creating stuff? 657 00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:26.000 Are we? 658 00:44:26.159 --> 00:44:26.400 Yeah? 659 00:44:26.400 --> 00:44:28.320 And that's kind of the big question because then I 660 00:44:28.360 --> 00:44:31.000 look at, you know, all of the haunted places that 661 00:44:31.079 --> 00:44:34.400 we go to, and especially the ones that are open 662 00:44:34.519 --> 00:44:37.719 to paranormal investigators. And I know you've mentioned this before 663 00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:41.440 about the folks on Kindred Spirits, and I did see 664 00:44:41.440 --> 00:44:45.920 an episode on that where they were like, think about 665 00:44:46.599 --> 00:44:52.719 the collective energy in this house or whatever it was 666 00:44:52.760 --> 00:44:55.159 that they were in, you know, and he said, you know, 667 00:44:55.880 --> 00:45:01.960 we are probably just feeding in O into this place, 668 00:45:02.480 --> 00:45:06.599 and all the ghost hunters before us just feeding energy 669 00:45:06.599 --> 00:45:08.800 into this place. And you have to really stop and 670 00:45:08.880 --> 00:45:13.280 think what are you doing? I mean, what is the 671 00:45:13.320 --> 00:45:16.159 result of that energy? 672 00:45:17.559 --> 00:45:20.639 I mean, I feel like the easiest connection to make. 673 00:45:20.960 --> 00:45:25.239 And you'll understand this because obviously you're a parent, But 674 00:45:26.159 --> 00:45:32.239 if you give it attention, something's like attention, yeah, so 675 00:45:32.320 --> 00:45:34.800 it'll pull that energy from the attention. So if like 676 00:45:34.880 --> 00:45:39.000 a toddler trips and falls and you're trying to you know, 677 00:45:39.159 --> 00:45:42.119 like not get them to cry, so you pretend to 678 00:45:42.159 --> 00:45:46.519 not pay attention. So that way they just get up and. 679 00:45:46.519 --> 00:45:48.519 Kind of walk it off on their own, right. 680 00:45:49.559 --> 00:45:52.480 But then you give them that attention and now they're like, 681 00:45:53.320 --> 00:45:57.239 throw them a hold tantrum, Mommy, it hurts my I 682 00:45:57.440 --> 00:46:02.199 tripped and fell. Yeah, what if that's what we're doing 683 00:46:02.239 --> 00:46:05.760 when we're going to these locations, They're, oh, I tripped 684 00:46:05.760 --> 00:46:08.239 and fell, give me this attention. 685 00:46:08.400 --> 00:46:11.000 Yeah, we're giving them an audience. Yeah, we're giving them 686 00:46:11.000 --> 00:46:13.679 an audience. And yeah, and my hunches is there's I 687 00:46:14.039 --> 00:46:18.440 wouldn't be surprised if there are actually some entities that 688 00:46:18.480 --> 00:46:22.440 are out there that want the attention, and there are 689 00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:24.519 others that are just kind of going on their merry way. 690 00:46:24.639 --> 00:46:26.519 They're the ones that get stuck on the door cameras, 691 00:46:26.719 --> 00:46:30.239 you know, or you know. And I'm saying if those 692 00:46:30.239 --> 00:46:33.639 are like actual spirits, And I believe that, yes, we 693 00:46:33.840 --> 00:46:37.480 have spirits, you know, as a religious person, I believe 694 00:46:37.480 --> 00:46:42.599 that there are spirits. But then again, maybe that energy, 695 00:46:42.719 --> 00:46:45.559 maybe we're just creating the toddler with our minds, you know, 696 00:46:46.840 --> 00:46:49.679 or maybe we're just all creating that slender man or 697 00:46:50.239 --> 00:46:54.079 and so I mean, it's a big mix of things. 698 00:46:54.159 --> 00:46:57.079 It's like a big tangled ball of Christmas lights and 699 00:46:57.639 --> 00:47:01.000 which I don't mind. I'm gonna pick out the Christmas 700 00:47:01.079 --> 00:47:05.360 lights until the strand is you know, finally untangled hopefully. 701 00:47:06.079 --> 00:47:11.320 But but and so yeah, it's just I think we're 702 00:47:11.360 --> 00:47:14.440 involved in it, or people can be involved in it. 703 00:47:14.679 --> 00:47:18.400 Definitely that we play a role. And I mean, you 704 00:47:18.400 --> 00:47:20.960 don't see this much anymore. And this is like the 705 00:47:21.039 --> 00:47:22.800 last one I'm going to mention because I mentioned it 706 00:47:22.840 --> 00:47:28.639 at the beginning. Is something called physical mediumship and

the 707 00:47:28.639 --> 00:47:31.960 there's like mental mediums and physical mediums, and now we 708 00:47:32.079 --> 00:47:35.039 have just mental mediums pretty much where people you go 709 00:47:35.320 --> 00:47:37.480 you go get a reading, you know, or you go 710 00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:41.480 to a seance and the medium will lead it and 711 00:47:41.880 --> 00:47:45.639 you know, supposedly connect with the spirits, you know, like 712 00:47:45.679 --> 00:47:49.119 the TV shows you know, like Theresa Caputo and yeah, yeah, 713 00:47:49.280 --> 00:47:53.880 Tyler Henry and you know, they're mental mediums. Back in 714 00:47:53.920 --> 00:47:56.159 the day, like back in the eighteen and nineteen early 715 00:47:56.239 --> 00:47:59.960 nineteen hundreds with the Spiritualist movement, they had physical medium 716 00:48:00.159 --> 00:48:04.039 and these are the ones that supposedly would sit at 717 00:48:04.079 --> 00:48:06.800 the seance table and things would start floating around the 718 00:48:06.880 --> 00:48:08.960 room and moving around the room and you know, give 719 00:48:09.039 --> 00:48:12.400 us a sign ring the bell, you know, play this trumpet, 720 00:48:12.639 --> 00:48:17.880 do these physical things. And that's kind of how the 721 00:48:18.199 --> 00:48:22.599 field of parapsychology became a little more scientific. Is they 722 00:48:22.639 --> 00:48:26.760 had people at colleges like JB and Luisa Ryan were 723 00:48:26.800 --> 00:48:29.960 at Duke University and they were like, wait a minute, 724 00:48:30.920 --> 00:48:34.679 this is this is ridiculous because these people have just 725 00:48:34.760 --> 00:48:37.400 lost a loved one and they're going to this this 726 00:48:37.599 --> 00:48:41.239 charlatan and they've got all these things rigged up, you know, 727 00:48:41.400 --> 00:48:44.719 little strings and wires and pulleys, and they're they're really 728 00:48:44.760 --> 00:48:47.559 taking advantage of people and they're they're you know, taking 729 00:48:47.559 --> 00:48:50.039 their money, they're stealing from them. And so they set 730 00:48:50.039 --> 00:48:54.440 out to prove them all as fraudulent and and it's 731 00:48:54.480 --> 00:48:56.360 like and there was a lot of them that were frauds, 732 00:48:56.480 --> 00:48:59.599 they were faking it. But what surprised them is there 733 00:48:59.599 --> 00:49:03.079 were some that weren't. And then you look at that, 734 00:49:03.719 --> 00:49:07.079 and that's what really got them intrigued, and they were like, whoa, 735 00:49:07.159 --> 00:49:09.199 this is something we need to look into. This is 736 00:49:09.239 --> 00:49:13.320 something we really need to study further. So you look 737 00:49:13.360 --> 00:49:15.800 at that and it's like, you know, what's going on. 738 00:49:15.920 --> 00:49:23.880 There is a spirit coming down and actually that's weird. 739 00:49:24.239 --> 00:49:28.920 I don't think it's a person sitting there. No, I'm 740 00:49:29.039 --> 00:49:32.559 just tracking on the chair. We're taking an SLS break 741 00:49:32.559 --> 00:49:40.320 here in my during my my bloviating monologue. Yeah, but yeah, 742 00:49:40.880 --> 00:49:43.000 but I look at that and it's like, Okay, do 743 00:49:43.119 --> 00:49:46.639 these mediums that obviously you know some of them are 744 00:49:46.719 --> 00:49:51.760 very talented and have psychic abilities. Are they able to 745 00:49:51.800 --> 00:49:56.000 manipulate a spirit or ask a spirit to come and 746 00:49:56.079 --> 00:49:59.960 do stuff in the environment, or are they moving stuff 747 00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:03.039 with their minds? And so you know, there's that whole 748 00:50:03.039 --> 00:50:04.079 thing all over again. 749 00:50:04.880 --> 00:50:07.679 I mean, I definitely like he We've talked about it. 750 00:50:07.760 --> 00:50:10.239 We have Robbie who we both he's. 751 00:50:10.239 --> 00:50:11.679 Very psychically sensitive. 752 00:50:11.719 --> 00:50:16.800 Yeah, yes, And it's it's interesting to see because you 753 00:50:17.039 --> 00:50:23.199 definitely you learn that ability and you learn how to 754 00:50:24.960 --> 00:50:27.039 just like it, you learn how to do anything else. 755 00:50:27.599 --> 00:50:31.039 He has definitely learned how to exert that energy and 756 00:50:31.199 --> 00:50:34.599 to almost push that energy out for him to communicate 757 00:50:35.880 --> 00:50:37.880 mentally with the spirit. 758 00:50:38.679 --> 00:50:44.480 Yeah, he's sometimes just scary accurate on our our investigations. 759 00:50:45.159 --> 00:50:47.039 He's definitely my favorite. 760 00:50:46.960 --> 00:50:47.519 Yeah, But. 761 00:50:49.599 --> 00:50:54.599 I mean, and he he his energy feel filled because 762 00:50:54.599 --> 00:50:57.519 of that has he has a higher chance of having 763 00:50:58.480 --> 00:51:03.039 interactions then most people. 764 00:51:03.320 --> 00:51:06.760 I agree, is why I love having Robbie on investigations. 765 00:51:07.119 --> 00:51:08.239 Something always happens. 766 00:51:08.719 --> 00:51:12.639 Oh yes, and I know that you say ghost magnets. 767 00:51:12.199 --> 00:51:16.239 And yeah, ghost magnets, and you know. 768 00:51:16.400 --> 00:51:22.400 It definitely depends, like I think for me, like when 769 00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:24.559 I went to the Emily Morgan, my intent was to 770 00:51:24.679 --> 00:51:28.480 go ghost hunting and out and hopes to find it. 771 00:51:28.559 --> 00:51:30.840 So you were putting some intent out there, and you're 772 00:51:30.960 --> 00:51:34.239 you're psychically sensitive yourself, so you know, you're you're a 773 00:51:34.280 --> 00:51:36.800 little ahead of a lot of people. And so yeah, 774 00:51:36.880 --> 00:51:39.119 you were like, Okay, I'm going to a haunted location. 775 00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:43.360 I am putting intent out there. I know there's something 776 00:51:43.679 --> 00:51:49.159 here and sure enough experiences. 777 00:51:49.320 --> 00:51:54.800 And what's

funny is that my dad was the one 778 00:51:54.920 --> 00:52:00.960 communicating the most with the spirits really because I mean 779 00:52:01.039 --> 00:52:03.000 I had told you, like his room was on the 780 00:52:03.039 --> 00:52:06.760 fifth floor, mine was one floor above, literally stacked on 781 00:52:06.800 --> 00:52:10.599 top of each other. Okay, And so for whatever reason 782 00:52:10.960 --> 00:52:16.159 it was, maybe it was my intent is what drew 783 00:52:16.199 --> 00:52:20.000 them in. But then for they preferred his energy over mine, 784 00:52:20.800 --> 00:52:23.280 I don't know, maybe it was, you know, one of 785 00:52:23.320 --> 00:52:26.920 those double whammye things. Is because I brought the intent. 786 00:52:27.920 --> 00:52:30.800 But we always say time and place people place time, 787 00:52:30.920 --> 00:52:34.280 you know, all that kind of stuff. So my intention 788 00:52:34.400 --> 00:52:37.440 probably brought them in. But then they're like, oh, look 789 00:52:38.800 --> 00:52:43.320 we prefer his energy over years, like it was your 790 00:52:43.360 --> 00:52:46.559 intention that brought us in, but now we like his energy. 791 00:52:46.719 --> 00:52:50.199 We're gonna go visit your dad. So yeah, yeah, I 792 00:52:50.199 --> 00:52:50.679 mean it. 793 00:52:52.760 --> 00:52:56.639 Honestly, And I think again it was the connection because 794 00:52:57.000 --> 00:53:00.960 his military background, his law enforcement background. You tie in 795 00:53:01.039 --> 00:53:04.760 the fact that we were next to the Alamo, on 796 00:53:05.519 --> 00:53:10.440 Alamo Battleground, you had these soldiers. 797 00:53:09.960 --> 00:53:13.519 These military man. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. 798 00:53:13.559 --> 00:53:19.280 So it kind of, you know, brings different things in. 799 00:53:20.320 --> 00:53:20.920 Yeah. 800 00:53:21.000 --> 00:53:26.159 So maybe they liked his energy because they felt his background. 801 00:53:26.400 --> 00:53:30.280 They knew that he came from law enforcement in military. 802 00:53:30.119 --> 00:53:33.039 That makes sense. That makes a lot of sense because 803 00:53:33.079 --> 00:53:37.239 he would have that kind of aura about him, you know, 804 00:53:37.360 --> 00:53:44.039 that discipline that those observation skills. Military people are great 805 00:53:44.039 --> 00:53:47.480 for that, and police officers are just they're great to 806 00:53:47.519 --> 00:53:52.840 have on investigations too because of that. They're trained observers 807 00:53:53.719 --> 00:53:54.800 and I love that. 808 00:53:56.119 --> 00:53:59.840 I law enforcement officers and skeptics are my favorite people 809 00:54:00.079 --> 00:54:03.920 to go on investigations with because they are always going 810 00:54:04.000 --> 00:54:08.239 to attempt to debunk what happens. 811 00:54:08.000 --> 00:54:11.440 And they're not easily rattled now and they're not easily convinced. 812 00:54:13.000 --> 00:54:17.599 That's exactly for all those reasons why they're my favorite 813 00:54:18.039 --> 00:54:23.719 because they're trying to rationalize it. But that as into 814 00:54:23.840 --> 00:54:28.599 creating potentially creating the energy because you're trying to make 815 00:54:28.719 --> 00:54:32.360 sense of it. So you're putting the energy into this 816 00:54:33.639 --> 00:54:34.519 thing that's. 817 00:54:34.360 --> 00:54:35.199 A good poise. 818 00:54:35.559 --> 00:54:39.119 So it's like a skeptic or law enforcement officer, they're like, 819 00:54:39.719 --> 00:54:43.199 what was that noise? So now they're paying attention. They're 820 00:54:43.199 --> 00:54:43.760 feeding the. 821 00:54:43.840 --> 00:54:48.920 Energy, focusing on that noise or that experience, and they 822 00:54:49.000 --> 00:54:53.280 could be feeding it. Oh, I didn't even think about that. 823 00:54:53.880 --> 00:54:55.760 And that's why I was like, there are some of 824 00:54:55.800 --> 00:54:59.280 my favorite people to go on because they're they're trying 825 00:54:59.320 --> 00:55:03.719 to rational they're feeding the thing they're and they don't 826 00:55:03.880 --> 00:55:05.760 realize they're eating it. 827 00:55:06.480 --> 00:55:07.440 That's funny. 828 00:55:07.519 --> 00:55:11.000 So as an investigator, you're just like, it's my favorite 829 00:55:11.039 --> 00:55:13.760 part to sit back and be like, I know what 830 00:55:13.800 --> 00:55:14.719 you're doing. You don't know. 831 00:55:16.559 --> 00:55:20.119 Watch it anyway, Cornell, watch the show. 832 00:55:20.559 --> 00:55:25.480 It's like you're making my job so much, No. 833 00:55:25.599 --> 00:55:29.239 Kidding, I never thought of it that way. Yeah, you're right, 834 00:55:29.400 --> 00:55:33.400 because boy, they and they come into those at least 835 00:55:33.440 --> 00:55:35.880 the ones I've I've got on investigations with they come 836 00:55:35.920 --> 00:55:41.920 in like laser focused. I mean they are on and 837 00:55:42.079 --> 00:55:48.119 that's energy and they're that's very specific, targeted and her chair. 838 00:55:48.199 --> 00:55:54.920 Ready to debunk everything, not realizing they're paying. They're giving 839 00:55:54.920 --> 00:55:56.719 it the attention that it needs. 840 00:55:56.440 --> 00:56:03.400 And seeds and wants. That's awesome, that process crazier. Thank 841 00:56:03.639 --> 00:56:06.119 thank you first responders. We love you. 842 00:56:07.840 --> 00:56:13.800 Skeptics don't listen to this episode, go ahead and skip it. 843 00:56:13.880 --> 00:56:18.880 But yeah, I never thought of that. Oh so let's 844 00:56:18.920 --> 00:56:21.480 see here. I've actually made it through most of my notes. 845 00:56:21.719 --> 00:56:27.159 But basically, oh, I have this. 846 00:56:30.920 --> 00:56:32.920 Peak stick I know, peak. 847 00:56:32.719 --> 00:56:35.239 Sticky note and I'm like serious. 848 00:56:35.119 --> 00:56:36.760 Anna highlighted. 849 00:56:37.639 --> 00:56:40.519 Yes and it's high Yeah, I'm so. I'm so, you 850

00:56:40.599 --> 00:56:47.039 know attic. It's not even funny. So oh yeah, that 851 00:56:47.239 --> 00:56:51.400 was my That was my last question because I know 852 00:56:51.480 --> 00:56:55.239 we need to wrap things up. But what and I'm 853 00:56:55.440 --> 00:56:58.239 I am too chicken to do this, but what do 854 00:56:58.280 --> 00:57:01.360 you think would happen if we asked AI to create 855 00:57:01.400 --> 00:57:03.960 a ghost like chat GPT? 856 00:57:04.679 --> 00:57:06.440 I think that would be fun. 857 00:57:06.599 --> 00:57:11.119 I think I'm kind of scared. I mean, what do 858 00:57:11.159 --> 00:57:12.800 you think would happen? Do you think it would like 859 00:57:12.960 --> 00:57:19.440 draw energy from the nether regions of the Internet or 860 00:57:21.119 --> 00:57:22.800 I don't know what it would do. 861 00:57:23.360 --> 00:57:25.840 I don't know. But also how much does AI know 862 00:57:25.960 --> 00:57:27.159 about some of this stuff? 863 00:57:27.199 --> 00:57:30.079 It's like, you know what, it knows a lot because 864 00:57:30.440 --> 00:57:34.239 I go to AI, I've been like setting up study 865 00:57:34.280 --> 00:57:36.280 you know, just trying to set up studies and do 866 00:57:36.400 --> 00:57:39.559 a research paper on this topic. That's why, you know, 867 00:57:39.599 --> 00:57:41.960 one of the reasons why I brought this this topic up, 868 00:57:42.800 --> 00:57:48.719 and that chat GPT can have really really in depth 869 00:57:48.760 --> 00:57:52.760 conversations with me about this, I mean really in depth. 870 00:57:53.679 --> 00:57:58.559 And so it's like, dang, you know your stuff. It 871 00:57:58.599 --> 00:58:01.599 makes me a little nervous. 872 00:58:02.079 --> 00:58:07.360 I mean, I definitely I don't know. I'm almost on 873 00:58:07.519 --> 00:58:11.519 the fence about it, honestly, like it would be interesting, 874 00:58:11.599 --> 00:58:15.559 like I'd definitely be interested in trying it and seeing 875 00:58:15.639 --> 00:58:20.280 what happens. I don't know. But also it's like does 876 00:58:20.440 --> 00:58:28.039 eight does it really know? Like that, because there it 877 00:58:28.079 --> 00:58:31.239 begs the question how much of the par world doesn't know, 878 00:58:31.320 --> 00:58:37.239 like doesn't know about portals vortexas, doesn't know about specific 879 00:58:37.840 --> 00:58:41.239 haunted locations, like if you were to almost look up 880 00:58:42.480 --> 00:58:48.280 what are the known hauntings of Gettysburg stuff like that, 881 00:58:48.360 --> 00:58:51.320 Like very specific things or like what are the most 882 00:58:53.000 --> 00:58:56.599 what's gonna happen? Then? Like what we need? What just 883 00:58:56.719 --> 00:58:59.039 pull up historical facts? 884 00:58:59.039 --> 00:59:02.159 Well what I don't know. My hunch it's really good 885 00:59:02.199 --> 00:59:07.440 at least what I found of synthesizing historical facts, but 886 00:59:08.920 --> 00:59:13.400 general general you're

right, general kind of historical facts. So 887 00:59:14.880 --> 00:59:18.880 my hunches is that you know, oh, tell me about 888 00:59:18.920 --> 00:59:21.760 the ghosts of Gettysburg. It's going to go out there 889 00:59:22.360 --> 00:59:27.239 and gather up all the public information about the ghosts 890 00:59:27.280 --> 00:59:32.679 of Gettysburg. But anything more specific than that or something 891 00:59:32.800 --> 00:59:35.880 you know, it will not be able to I don't, 892 00:59:36.079 --> 00:59:40.760 I hope, not draw on your personal experience if you 893 00:59:40.840 --> 00:59:44.800 went to Gettysburg and saw a ghost or interacted with 894 00:59:44.880 --> 00:59:50.519 a ghost, unless you made it public knowledge. So I 895 00:59:50.559 --> 00:59:52.840 think there are limits. 896 00:59:53.880 --> 01:00:00.519 But because I don't know, I could definitely understand going 897 01:00:00.639 --> 01:00:06.079 to AI and saying create a ghost, a Victorian era ghost, 898 01:00:06.519 --> 01:00:13.960 right that is angry about people coming to their house, Right, 899 01:00:15.119 --> 01:00:17.559 I mean something like that. I can understand, Like it's 900 01:00:17.559 --> 01:00:18.519 good and it would. 901 01:00:18.280 --> 01:00:21.679 Tell you a story and yeah, and it would create 902 01:00:21.880 --> 01:00:28.199 quote unquote a ghost. Yeah, but yeah, could you feed 903 01:00:29.039 --> 01:00:33.280 chat GPT the intent and like communicate this is yeah, 904 01:00:33.639 --> 01:00:37.840 communicate your intent to it to like, no, no, that's 905 01:00:37.880 --> 01:00:42.280 not what I want. I want you to create, to 906 01:00:42.480 --> 01:00:46.039 make something on your own. This give me the creeps 907 01:00:46.119 --> 01:00:50.440 just talking about it and put it out there, you know, 908 01:00:50.559 --> 01:00:51.360 like make. 909 01:00:51.199 --> 01:00:52.199 A real. 910 01:00:53.480 --> 01:00:58.880 Ghost. I don't know if it has enough sentience, consciousness, 911 01:00:59.039 --> 01:01:02.280 creative ability. I don't find a hope not because that 912 01:01:02.320 --> 01:01:03.159 would terrify me. 913 01:01:06.440 --> 01:01:09.159 I think I don't think it has enough. I also 914 01:01:09.280 --> 01:01:12.840 don't think it has enough energy because again, it's pulling 915 01:01:12.920 --> 01:01:16.639 from your energy. That's true, so it's how much are 916 01:01:16.679 --> 01:01:17.800 you putting into it? 917 01:01:18.679 --> 01:01:21.079 But is it pulling from other people's energy that it 918 01:01:21.119 --> 01:01:22.000 has access to? 919 01:01:23.840 --> 01:01:27.840 But I also feel like how many people are also 920 01:01:27.960 --> 01:01:31.400 I guess it would also have to take more people 921 01:01:31.800 --> 01:01:34.159 also looking into that same thing. 922 01:01:34.559 --> 01:01:37.480 Yeah, okay, that's a really good point. So not just 923 01:01:37.800 --> 01:01:40.440 you know, Allison at her computer and Cyndy at her computer, 924 01:01:40.559 --> 01:01:43.760 but a whole network of kind of the Philip Experiment 925 01:01:43.800 --> 01:01:47.800 all over again, where it's like, okay, at ten pm 926 01:01:48.000 --> 01:01:52.440 Central time in the US, we need these one hundred 927 01:01:52.440 --> 01:01:57.639 thousand people to go on GPT and say create a ghost. 928 01:01:58.840 --> 01:02:01.639 And then at that point, is it all creating the 929 01:02:01.679 --> 01:02:02.360 same ghost? 930 01:02:02.480 --> 01:02:04.599 Is it creating we'd have to let Yeah, you'd have 931 01:02:04.599 --> 01:02:07.239 to come up with that whole idea of this is 932 01:02:07.320 --> 01:02:10.239 the ghost, which I think goes back to that ritual 933 01:02:10.280 --> 01:02:12.280 that Brian was talking about. You have to be very 934 01:02:12.880 --> 01:02:14.960 focused and specific you. 935 01:02:15.199 --> 01:02:19.840 Yeah, you would definitely have to have very like you'd 936 01:02:19.880 --> 01:02:23.599 have to have specifications like if it gives you a 937 01:02:23.800 --> 01:02:28.519 spirit that is in their mid thirties that died of 938 01:02:28.599 --> 01:02:33.280 a shooting out in the middle, like in the middle. 939 01:02:33.119 --> 01:02:36.599 Of a cornfield in Nebraska. Yeah, the more specific you get, 940 01:02:37.320 --> 01:02:41.320 and if people focused on that and put that energy 941 01:02:41.440 --> 01:02:47.559 intent towards GPT, I don't know, and then it's scary. 942 01:02:47.719 --> 01:02:51.239 It's also because it's gonna be great research out of 943 01:02:51.280 --> 01:02:55.639 the say hundred people that did it, how many people 944 01:02:55.800 --> 01:02:59.840 got the same thing? That seems like. 945 01:02:59.079 --> 01:03:02.079 If they were wonted buy that spirit and what their 946 01:03:02.119 --> 01:03:04.239 experiences were. That's a really good point. 947 01:03:04.320 --> 01:03:08.360 How many what are the numbers? Is it twenty people? 948 01:03:08.679 --> 01:03:10.800 If you have exactly one hundred people, so then it's 949 01:03:10.880 --> 01:03:15.159 exactly that percentage. Is it twenty people, which would make 950 01:03:15.199 --> 01:03:16.360 it twenty percent? Is it? 951 01:03:16.800 --> 01:03:17.639 That's a good point. 952 01:03:17.960 --> 01:03:20.199 Fifty people, which would make it fifty percent? 953 01:03:20.280 --> 01:03:22.880 Like what is Well, then you could go further and say, 954 01:03:22.920 --> 01:03:27.639 why those particular people, why that fifty. 955 01:03:27.360 --> 01:03:29.800 Where if you do it just in the United States, 956 01:03:30.039 --> 01:03:32.119 where in the United States where they located? 957 01:03:32.400 --> 01:03:34.280 Yeah, oh gosh, you can and then go down all 958 01:03:34.360 --> 01:03:35.920 kinds of trails. 959 01:03:35.480 --> 01:03:41.199 If they were located, if everyone had that same haunted 960 01:03:42.079 --> 01:03:43.599 by that ghost, and all of. 961 01:03:43.480 --> 01:03:44.800 Them are in Nebraska. 962 01:03:45.320 --> 01:03:50.719 Yeah, if you know, you had fifty percent and out 963 01:03:50.760 --> 01:03:56.519 of that fifty, twenty percent were Nebraska, ten percent were 964 01:03:56.559 --> 01:03:59.960 in Texas. Whatever, it's yeah, okay, so where are they located? 965 01:04:00.079 --> 01:04:04.559 Wart all those variables, all those variables. I don't know. 966 01:04:04.679 --> 01:04:07.800 I'm I'm too chicken. I'm too chicken, because for all 967 01:04:07.840 --> 01:04:09.840 I know, that thing could just like pop one out 968 01:04:09.880 --> 01:04:14.360 and say, yeah, I'll look behind you there it is, 969 01:04:14.679 --> 01:04:15.840 look at the mirror. 970 01:04:18.880 --> 01:04:19.039 There. 971 01:04:19.679 --> 01:04:23.920 Yeah, that would not be good. But anyway, we should 972 01:04:23.960 --> 01:04:29.440 probably wrap things up. Got any concluding thoughts. No, By 973 01:04:29.480 --> 01:04:33.320 the way, we have been checking the SLS camera and 974 01:04:33.320 --> 01:04:38.280 and my my EMF meters and have not seen anything 975 01:04:39.480 --> 01:04:43.599 really outrageous. So maybe next time we'll catch some MVPs. 976 01:04:44.280 --> 01:04:48.000 Yeah, I'll have to use this at one point at 977 01:04:48.079 --> 01:04:51.400 my house and just video it and see if I 978 01:04:51.440 --> 01:04:52.000 get anything. 979 01:04:52.440 --> 01:04:54.920 Yeah, and then we can post that. Yeah, show it in. 980 01:04:54.960 --> 01:04:58.599 Action, I mean, and you know that's definitely if we 981 01:04:58.679 --> 01:05:03.519 don't go to already haunted location and try it there. 982 01:05:03.719 --> 01:05:05.760 We need to, We need to get out there. We 983 01:05:05.840 --> 01:05:10.239 got to really field test this thing. Yes, okay, all right, 984 01:05:10.599 --> 01:05:12.960 I think we'll just wrap things up for now. We'll 985 01:05:12.960 --> 01:05:15.920 see you next time. Bye bye. 986 01:05:18.000 --> 01:05:22.159 This has been spooky a paranormal podcast. We hope today's 987 01:05:22.159 --> 01:05:25.039 episode since shiver us down your spine and sparked your 988 01:05:25.079 --> 01:05:29.400 curiosity about all things ghostly. If you've enjoyed what you've heard, 989 01:05:29.639 --> 01:05:32.360 don't forget to subscribe and leave a review on your 990 01:05:32.400 --> 01:05:36.519 favorite podcast platform. You can also catch us on Facebook 991 01:05:36.559 --> 01:05:41.480 and Instagram. Until next time, stay curious, stay vigilant, and 992 01:05:41.639 --> 01:05:48.719 never be afraid to explore the shadows,