النص الكامل لحلقة Phil Micans: What does Putin know about peptides?

00:03:50,166 they have a number of advantages, 80 00:03:50,166 --> 00:03:53,166 which will... which we can get into. And they have a lot of research 81 00:03:53,166 --> 00:03:55,000 behind them as well because, as 82 00:03:55,033 --> 00:03:58,600 I think I alluded to, the Russians or the Soviets, 83 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:00,166 perhaps I should say, were 84 00:04:00,166 --> 00:04:03,766 playing with these in the 1980s. So they... 85 00:04:03,766 --> 00:04:05,066 And that's a fascinating point, 86 00:04:05,066 --> 00:04:09,266 isn't it? I think, you know, when you throw in a term like bioregulators and, 87 00:04:09,266 --> 00:04:11,166 you know, off camera, full disclosure, 88 00:04:11,166 --> 00:04:13,366 we were having a little bit of a chat, and, you know, 89 00:04:13,366 --> 00:04:15,400 I said I stumbled into bioregulators 90 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:16,833 and the science around them, 91 00:04:16,833 --> 00:04:18,366 actually through a Russian, 92 00:04:18,433 --> 00:04:21,166 before I started to look at peptides. 93 00:04:21,433 --> 00:04:23,100 Now we're saying that, you know, 94 00:04:23,100 --> 00:04:25,400 bioregulators have really been around for 40 years. 95 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:27,800 What do we know about them? 96 00:04:28,100 --> 00:04:29,300 Yeah. Thank you. 97 00:04:29,300 --> 00:04:31,500 And what do you think we need to know about them? 98 00:04:31,500 --> 00:04:32,666 Okay. Yeah, yeah. 99 00:04:32,666 --> 00:04:34,833 Well, okay. 100 00:04:34,833 --> 00:04:37,266 I'm going to tell you a little story. 101 00:04:37,266 --> 00:04:42,266 So my first learnings were in the early 1980s, 102 00:04:42,266 --> 00:04:44,466 and when I went to South London College, 103 00:04:44,466 --> 00:04:46,766 which is now called Thames University and 104 00:04:46,766 --> 00:04:48,766 sounds much nicer. 105 00:04:48,900 --> 00:04:51,166 But I did a course there, my first one, 106 00:04:51,166 --> 00:04:54,600 which was called Food and Vitamin Technology. 107 00:04:54,666 --> 00:04:59,600 I think today we might call it nutrition. And one day, 108 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:03,900 the lecturer put up on the overhead projector. Hey, 109 00:05:03,900 --> 00:05:08,733 no PowerPoints, kids. No emails, no cell phones. 110 00:05:09,766 --> 00:05:11,266 Only just had electricity. 111 00:05:11,466 --> 00:05:13,100 That's right. [Laughter] 112 00:05:13,466 --> 00:05:16,600 So basically, he put up a pie chart on the screen and 113 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:18,700 he said, and I don't... Forgive me, 114 00:05:18,700 --> 00:05:20,433 I don't actually remember the numbers. 115 00:05:20,433 --> 00:05:22,633 It was rather a while ago. 116 00:05:22,633 --> 00:05:24,666 But he put this pie chart up and he said, 117 00:05:24,666 --> 00:05:26,900 "This is typically what you find in food." 118 00:05:26,900 --> 00:05:29,566 He said, "You find X percentage of vitamins, 119 00:05:29,566 --> 00:05:32,333 X percentage of minerals, X percentage

of fats." 120 00:05:32,666 --> 00:05:37,566 And most of it was fiber, like 55%, if I remember rightly. 121 00:05:37,633 --> 00:05:40,600 And I had a thought in the classroom on that day. 122 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:42,633 And I said to myself, "Wow, 123 00:05:42,633 --> 00:05:44,866 fiber must be more important than we think." 124 00:05:44,866 --> 00:05:48,300 And in the '80s, people weren't thinking too much about fiber. Okay, 125 00:05:48,300 --> 00:05:51,600 I know it's different now. And so I thought to myself, 126 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,500 well, fiber must be more important than we imagine, 127 00:05:54,500 --> 00:05:57,200 because I've always believed that nature wastes nothing, 128 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:59,333 right? Whatever's in it, it's not wasted. 129 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,133 It's all energy of some description or another. 130 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,766 Or they've missed something. 131 00:06:04,766 --> 00:06:06,633 That was the thought I had on that day. 132 00:06:06,633 --> 00:06:09,066 Fast forward to 2010, 133 00:06:09,166 --> 00:06:11,600 when I first had the privilege to listen to Professor 134 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,566 Khavinson, strangely enough, in Istanbul at a lecture. 135 00:06:14,766 --> 00:06:17,933 And when I realized that their discovery 136 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,200 was that these ultrashort peptides 137 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:22,633 that are found in foods, right, 138 00:06:22,633 --> 00:06:25,066 act as individualized gene switches, 139 00:06:25,066 --> 00:06:27,966 both activating and silencing. We'll come to that. 140 00:06:28,500 --> 00:06:29,666 It was like a light bulb. 141 00:06:29,666 --> 00:06:32,266 I had an epiphany at that moment because 142 00:06:32,266 --> 00:06:34,366 it took me back to that classroom 143 00:06:34,366 --> 00:06:35,900 when I asked myself, "Oh, 144 00:06:35,900 --> 00:06:37,066 they've missed something." 145 00:06:37,066 --> 00:06:38,433 And that was the point I thought 146 00:06:38,433 --> 00:06:41,633 they had. We now know that these peptides, 147 00:06:41,633 --> 00:06:44,600 these bioregulators found in different foods, 148 00:06:45,166 --> 00:06:46,066 interact with us. 149 00:06:46,066 --> 00:06:48,000 It explains our epigenetics. 150 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,900 It certainly explains the DNA methylation. 151 00:06:51,066 --> 00:06:53,366 So it's something really fundamental 152 00:06:53,366 --> 00:06:57,400 and really at the core. So, as a result of that, 153 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:58,800 you can imagine that 154 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,433 depending on which genes you're activating 155 00:07:01,433 --> 00:07:04,633 or silencing, you could have quite profound effects in 156 00:07:04,633 --> 00:07:06,800 different areas of the body. And 157 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,500 amazingly, and I'm sure we'll talk about it, 158 00:07:09,500 --> 00:07:12,266 the Soviets did the largest human studies 159 00:07:12,266 --> 00:07:14,966 you've ever heard of, and I'll be happy to 160 00:07:14,966 --> 00:07:17,133 you know, tell you more about those results. 161 00:07:18,500 --> 00:07:19,700 We'll put them up on the screen 162 00:07:19,700 --> 00:07:21,366 so people can go away and read them. 163 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:24,033 I mean, we talk about their presence in 164 00:07:24,033 --> 00:07:27,000 food groups, if there are any really obvious foods 165 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,466 which sort of jump out in terms of 166 00:07:29,466 --> 00:07:31,400 that prominence. Yeah, awareness. Well, 167 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,600 I have a... And then, in terms of bioregulators, what are we looking at? 168 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:36,966 What are the most common bioregulators 169 00:07:36,966 --> 00:07:39,166 which are out there? Well, you know, today, 170 00:07:39,166 --> 00:07:40,766 And are people getting as excited? 171 00:07:41,066 --> 00:07:42,233 Yeah. Well, 172 00:07:42,233 --> 00:07:44,566 you know, you could take this either way. 173 00:07:44,566 --> 00:07:46,600 You might like it, you might not like it, 174 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:51,066 but of course these peptides can be made synthetically. 175 00:07:51,066 --> 00:07:53,466 Right? That's always possible, of course. 176 00:07:53,466 --> 00:07:55,766 But what I've mainly been involved in 177 00:07:55,766 --> 00:07:56,966 for various reasons, 178 00:07:56,966 --> 00:08:01,666 including regulatory, are the natural sources. Okay. 179 00:08:01,666 --> 00:08:04,766 Now, for convenience, 180 00:08:04,966 --> 00:08:08,100 the main sources of 181 00:08:08,100 --> 00:08:12,500 the natural bioregulators are either pigs or cows. Okay. 182 00:08:12,500 --> 00:08:14,366 And it's a very exact... 183 00:08:14,366 --> 00:08:16,800 If you want to get into how they're extracted, 184 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,233 I'll get into that, but otherwise 185 00:08:19,233 --> 00:08:21,366 I'll skip over it, but it's a very, 186 00:08:21,366 --> 00:08:24,200 very precise process. 187 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,766 There's very, very high safety. 188 00:08:27,766 --> 00:08:30,433 This is not some organ extract 189 00:08:30,433 --> 00:08:32,066 that we've all known about 190 00:08:32,066 --> 00:08:33,966 and you can get from the butchers, you know. 191 00:08:33,966 --> 00:08:37,166 This is something... It's a very, very fine 192 00:08:37,166 --> 00:08:38,600 filtration process. 193 00:08:38,700 --> 00:08:42,566 But that's the normal. But there are different 194 00:08:43,100 --> 00:08:45,400 short... different ultra... 195 00:08:46,033 --> 00:08:48,466 peptides are found in different food groups. 196 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,200 Just to give one example, 197 00:08:51,866 --> 00:08:53,166 Professor Khavinson, 198 00:08:53,166 --> 00:08:55,066 the last thing he was involved with, 199 00:08:55,066 --> 00:08:58,366 and it's published, was with the University of Tel Aviv, 200 00:08:59,366 --> 00:09:00,700 where

they'd asked him 201 00:09:00,700 --> 00:09:03,800 to improve the output of strawberry production 202 00:09:04,066 --> 00:09:05,733 in the deserts, you see. 203 00:09:05,900 --> 00:09:07,266 And he... 204 00:09:07,266 --> 00:09:09,100 And you're going to have to forgive me right now, 205 00:09:09,100 --> 00:09:11,833 because I can't remember the precise peptides they used. 206 00:09:11,833 --> 00:09:13,800 We can find it. 207 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:15,200 And basically 208 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:17,466 what they showed was: same strawberries, 209 00:09:17,466 --> 00:09:18,600 same conditions. 210 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:20,866 One being grown as they're normally grown, 211 00:09:20,866 --> 00:09:22,366 the other being grown the same way, 212 00:09:22,366 --> 00:09:24,166 but now adding some peptides. 213 00:09:24,466 --> 00:09:26,666 And they actually increased 214 00:09:26,666 --> 00:09:29,366 the yield of strawberries, 215 00:09:29,666 --> 00:09:32,200 the amount of fruit by 30%. 216 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,400 Three-zero percent. And that is a magic number 217 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:36,566 that I'd like to come back to 218 00:09:36,566 --> 00:09:39,600 and talk to you about because I think 219 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:40,700 there's no accident that 220 00:09:40,700 --> 00:09:42,966 30 keeps coming up again and again. 221 00:09:44,100 --> 00:09:45,066 Interesting. So, 222 00:09:45,066 --> 00:09:47,666 in terms of bioregulators that people 223 00:09:47,666 --> 00:09:49,233 will commonly see, 224 00:09:49,233 --> 00:09:51,966 what are the most common bioregulators? And, you know, 225 00:09:51,966 --> 00:09:55,200 do they have names in the same way that we have with peptides? 226 00:09:55,366 --> 00:09:56,700 How does that work? Well, 227 00:09:56,700 --> 00:10:00,766 unfortunately, the names will drive you crazy, 228 00:10:00,766 --> 00:10:03,800 because you need to learn another language, right? 229 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,200 The Russians, when they 230 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:09,700 first started all this, they named them... If they... 231 00:10:09,700 --> 00:10:11,866 They named them one name if they were synthetic, 232 00:10:11,866 --> 00:10:13,666 one name if they were natural, 233 00:10:13,900 --> 00:10:15,400 and I'm talking about the same. 234 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,333 So let's take the pineal, right, 235 00:10:17,433 --> 00:10:19,366 which is, I think, epitalon, 236 00:10:19,833 --> 00:10:23,133 probably one of the best known synthetic bioregulators. 237 00:10:23,166 --> 00:10:25,933 It's a pineal bioregulator. Okay. 238 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:27,900 But if you have the natural source, 239 00:10:28,100 --> 00:10:29,766 we call it epithalamin. 240 00:10:31,066 --> 00:10:34,300 Right. And then they change the names again, 241 00:10:34,300 --> 00:10:36,100 depending whether you inject them, 242 00:10:36,100 --> 00:10:38,000 take them sublingually 243 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:40,166 or take them

orally, right? 244 00:10:40,166 --> 00:10:43,133 So all of a sudden you can have six different names 245 00:10:43,233 --> 00:10:46,800 for what is essentially the same blinking molecule. Okay. 246 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:49,400 So it gets pretty horrible in that respect. 247 00:10:49,566 --> 00:10:51,166 And sometimes when people throw names, 248 00:10:51,166 --> 00:10:52,466 I have to really stop and 249 00:10:52,466 --> 00:10:53,933 "Hang on a minute," you know. 250 00:10:54,033 --> 00:10:56,366 So I actually cheat a little bit, 251 00:10:56,366 --> 00:10:59,500 and I just go, "Pineal bioregulator, 252 00:10:59,500 --> 00:11:02,000 kidney bioregulator," right? I 253 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:03,700 kind of do this cheat 254 00:11:03,700 --> 00:11:05,233 because it simplifies everything. 255 00:11:05,233 --> 00:11:06,233 It's still... 256 00:11:06,233 --> 00:11:08,800 At the end of the day, it will be from a gland, 257 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:11,666 from an organ or from a tissue. Okay. 258 00:11:11,666 --> 00:11:14,566 And today, commercially, 259 00:11:14,900 --> 00:11:17,433 not every country, of course, 260 00:11:17,433 --> 00:11:21,233 but commercially, there are 21 current ones available. 261 00:11:21,233 --> 00:11:23,200 And I'll be happy to describe to you 262 00:11:23,233 --> 00:11:26,266 the most popular ones or the most fundamental ones. 263 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:28,500 But like everything in life, 264 00:11:28,700 --> 00:11:30,233 you address your weak points. 265 00:11:30,233 --> 00:11:32,366 If you have an issue with your thyroid 266 00:11:32,366 --> 00:11:34,866 or your eyesight or whatever it is, 267 00:11:34,866 --> 00:11:36,466 you're going to focus on that, aren't you? 268 00:11:36,466 --> 00:11:40,533 You're going to say, "I need to fix this." So everybody starts there. 269 00:11:41,500 --> 00:11:42,766 It's different, of course, 270 00:11:42,766 --> 00:11:44,866 if you're into regeneration or prevention. 271 00:11:44,866 --> 00:11:46,600 That's a different side to the game. 272 00:11:47,700 --> 00:11:48,966 And do people sort of... 273 00:11:48,966 --> 00:11:51,966 We've seen this argument before with cannabinoids 274 00:11:51,966 --> 00:11:53,666 and with, you know, psychedelics. 275 00:11:53,666 --> 00:11:57,633 Natural versus synthetic. Do you see a similar 276 00:11:57,633 --> 00:11:59,733 conversation in your field of work? 277 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,800 I do, actually, and it's fairly recently, 278 00:12:03,500 --> 00:12:05,633 about within the last year or two, 279 00:12:05,633 --> 00:12:09,666 that I came to realize a certain fundamental difference 280 00:12:09,666 --> 00:12:10,666 between naturals. 281 00:12:10,666 --> 00:12:12,466 I'm talking bioregulators all the time here, 282 00:12:12,466 --> 00:12:13,500 you guys, okay? 283 00:12:13,500 --> 00:12:15,766 I'm not talking about other peptides. 284 00:12:15,866 --> 00:12:19,800 So, because when I first went out to Russia, 285 00:12:20,433 --> 00:12:22,633 I was fascinated to go into the various clinics 286 00:12:22,633 --> 00:12:24,200 and see how they were using them. 287 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:26,633 Of course, most of the patients they were dealing with 288 00:12:26,633 --> 00:12:28,166 had problems, right? 289 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:32,566 Some of them were there for preventative health reasons, whatever, 290 00:12:32,566 --> 00:12:36,500 but most of them had issues. And I was asking them, 291 00:12:36,500 --> 00:12:39,100 I was saying, "Well, you know, how do you use them?" 292 00:12:39,100 --> 00:12:41,166 And they do use injections as well, 293 00:12:41,166 --> 00:12:43,233 but I can assure you, and we'll come back to it, 294 00:12:43,233 --> 00:12:45,066 that the orals are effective. 295 00:12:45,466 --> 00:12:47,066 And they said, 296 00:12:47,066 --> 00:12:48,033 "Well, normally, Phil," 297 00:12:48,033 --> 00:12:51,300 they said, "We start the patient on synthetics." 298 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:53,533 And I went, "Oh, okay." 299 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:56,066 So he said, "We'll do that for about a month." 300 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:57,266 I said, "All right." 301 00:12:57,266 --> 00:13:00,600 "But after about a month, we flip them to the naturals." 302 00:13:00,966 --> 00:13:03,433 So I, sort of confused, said, 303 00:13:03,433 --> 00:13:05,200 "Well, why would you do that?" 304 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:09,033 And they said, "Well, we find that when they're on the synthetics, 305 00:13:09,033 --> 00:13:10,500 they act faster. 306 00:13:11,033 --> 00:13:13,233 But when they're on the naturals, 307 00:13:13,233 --> 00:13:16,633 they last longer, a lot longer." 308 00:13:16,633 --> 00:13:18,900 And we can get into how dosing and cycling... 309 00:13:18,900 --> 00:13:21,033 And the good news about the naturals is 310 00:13:21,033 --> 00:13:23,900 there's no way you have to take them every day. Okay. 311 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:25,600 It's quite a low... 312 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:27,800 Does delivery mechanism impact on 313 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:29,800 duration and tendency? A bit. 314 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:31,566 Is that something? A little bit. 315 00:13:31,566 --> 00:13:32,566 A bit. A bit, 316 00:13:32,566 --> 00:13:35,100 but not as much as you might imagine. 317 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:36,433 When you follow the... 318 00:13:36,433 --> 00:13:38,266 when you follow the history of bioregulators, 319 00:13:38,266 --> 00:13:40,033 like you say, so much of that work has been done 320 00:13:40,033 --> 00:13:42,766 in the USSR and then Russia, 321 00:13:43,166 --> 00:13:45,800 has that sort of impacted 322 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:49,000 the locations where there is, 323 00:13:49,066 --> 00:13:52,900 you know, awareness and availability? Yeah. 324 00:13:53,166 --> 00:13:55,133 Definitely. I mean, 325 00:13:55,366 --> 00:13:57,600 we were using the Russian bioregulators 326 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:00,466 for a number of years

and we'd regularly order them 327 00:14:00,466 --> 00:14:03,200 and they'd be delivered from Saint Petersburg to us. 328 00:14:03,300 --> 00:14:08,666 But the conflict, let us call it that, has 329 00:14:08,666 --> 00:14:12,066 caused no end of problems in many countries. 330 00:14:12,100 --> 00:14:15,033 So, to take the UK as an example, 331 00:14:15,033 --> 00:14:16,733 my country, 332 00:14:16,766 --> 00:14:19,900 then, you know, you can't send money to a Russian bank. 333 00:14:20,233 --> 00:14:22,033 They can't send money to you, right? 334 00:14:22,033 --> 00:14:24,800 So there's one block, and there are many, 335 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,000 many products that you cannot import from Russia. 336 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,833 I'm not saying that if you order three packs from a Russian pharmacy, 337 00:14:29,833 --> 00:14:31,333 they won't arrive in London, 338 00:14:31,466 --> 00:14:32,833 but if you're running a business, 339 00:14:32,833 --> 00:14:35,333 that's a totally different kettle of fish. 340 00:14:35,366 --> 00:14:36,966 So, yes, 341 00:14:36,966 --> 00:14:39,433 there are many countries around the world where it has 342 00:14:39,433 --> 00:14:43,400 impacted their ability to get hold of the Russian products. 343 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:47,033 But what we did, actually, is we moved ahead, 344 00:14:47,033 --> 00:14:49,700 knowing that Russia was going to be a problem. 345 00:14:49,700 --> 00:14:53,266 So we source the materials from Denmark, 346 00:14:53,266 --> 00:14:54,633 believe it or not, and then 347 00:14:54,633 --> 00:14:56,566 we actually do all the encapsulation 348 00:14:56,566 --> 00:14:58,000 work in the United Kingdom. 349 00:14:58,100 --> 00:15:01,500 And that has overcome the issues. 350 00:15:01,666 --> 00:15:02,666 But we followed... 351 00:15:02,666 --> 00:15:06,166 we followed Khavinson's original work to the letter. 352 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:08,033 Same source, same product, same dose, 353 00:15:08,033 --> 00:15:11,366 same everything. So that's what we've been doing. 354 00:15:11,366 --> 00:15:13,766 So now, if you buy... 355 00:15:14,433 --> 00:15:16,700 I won't mention names unless you want me to. 356 00:15:16,700 --> 00:15:19,166 If you buy, or maybe you can put... Okay. 357 00:15:19,166 --> 00:15:21,700 Thank you. Well, we branded it Nature's Marvels. 358 00:15:21,700 --> 00:15:23,866 That's the thing that we called it. 359 00:15:24,166 --> 00:15:27,833 Of course, other people are now coming out and doing things, 360 00:15:27,833 --> 00:15:30,633 you know, but as I'm sure you... 361 00:15:30,633 --> 00:15:35,400 I don't think I'm telling any secrets here when I say, 362 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:36,500 let's be honest, 363 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:39,533 the peptide world at the moment is the Wild West. 364 00:15:40,366 --> 00:15:43,633 Right? When you can be browsing through Facebook 365 00:15:43,633 --> 00:15:47,133 and see an advert come down about some injectable 366 00:15:47,566 --> 00:15:49,533 peptide, probably from China, 367 00:15:49,966 --> 00:15:53,233 that you can purchase, and it says clearly on it, 368 00:15:53,233 --> 00:15:55,933 "Not for human use. Research only," right, 369 00:15:55,966 --> 00:16:00,000 which is their way round the problems. Okay. 370 00:16:00,066 --> 00:16:01,266 Indeed. 371 00:16:01,266 --> 00:16:02,400 And the challenges that come, 372 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:04,066 and we've done many episodes 373 00:16:04,066 --> 00:16:05,800 just talking about the challenges of that. 374 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:07,100 And have you, you know, 375 00:16:07,100 --> 00:16:10,366 even covering how somebody can identify a fake COA, 376 00:16:10,366 --> 00:16:12,000 which, of course, when you can fake a Rolex, 377 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,133 you can probably fake a COA. 378 00:16:14,700 --> 00:16:16,900 And I imagine anybody who's 379 00:16:16,900 --> 00:16:18,900 watching this, the next video they'll get, 380 00:16:18,900 --> 00:16:21,600 if the YouTube algorithm does its work, 381 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:22,500 will probably be 382 00:16:22,500 --> 00:16:24,100 a video about Putin, 383 00:16:24,100 --> 00:16:26,200 and a lot of people suggesting that, 384 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:27,166 you know, 385 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:28,500 his physical form, 386 00:16:28,500 --> 00:16:30,866 love him or hate him, at his grand old age, 387 00:16:31,033 --> 00:16:33,600 has perhaps got something to do with bioregulators. 388 00:16:33,666 --> 00:16:35,766 Well, okay. 389 00:16:35,900 --> 00:16:37,400 Again, this is no secret. 390 00:16:37,466 --> 00:16:39,233 Professor Vladimir Khavinson, look, 391 00:16:39,233 --> 00:16:41,466 was one of the doctors looking after him. 392 00:16:41,966 --> 00:16:43,366 So, and he... 393 00:16:43,366 --> 00:16:45,533 And I have a photograph. 394 00:16:46,233 --> 00:16:48,666 No, no. I'm not... I'm telling you the truth. 395 00:16:48,666 --> 00:16:52,100 And I have a photograph of Professor Khavinson 396 00:16:52,300 --> 00:16:55,366 receiving a medal for outstanding work in medicine 397 00:16:55,366 --> 00:16:56,533 from Putin himself. 398 00:16:57,066 --> 00:17:00,400 So, 100%, no question of it, 399 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:02,600 he knows all about bioregulators. 400 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:04,666 No question of it. And 401 00:17:04,666 --> 00:17:05,566 I don't... 402 00:17:05,566 --> 00:17:07,966 I have no evidence whether he uses them or not. 403 00:17:08,666 --> 00:17:09,866 But he knows that. 404 00:17:10,033 --> 00:17:11,466 I think it's likely. 405 00:17:12,233 --> 00:17:14,766 Indeed, he does look pretty 406 00:17:14,766 --> 00:17:16,733 decent physical shape 407 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:19,600 for his age. I think he's 408 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:21,700 mid-70s now. Yeah. 409 00:17:21,833 --> 00:17:24,100 Yeah, no. He takes it very seriously. 410 00:17:24,100 --> 00:17:26,233 In fact, several years ago, 411 00:17:26,233 -->

00:17:29,166 he told his doctors 412 00:17:29,166 --> 00:17:32,266 that the average lifespan in Russia was not good enough, 413 00:17:32,266 --> 00:17:34,100 which it isn't, you know. 414 00:17:34,100 --> 00:17:36,200 I mean, they have one of the lowest 415 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:38,266 average lifespans across Europe. 416 00:17:38,266 --> 00:17:39,900 I mean, there's all kinds of reasons for that. 417 00:17:39,900 --> 00:17:42,000 Obviously, it's not one singular thing, 418 00:17:42,100 --> 00:17:44,766 but he's conscious of it and he wants to improve it. 419 00:17:45,833 --> 00:17:46,633 Indeed. 420 00:17:46,966 --> 00:17:47,833 Now you've spent, 421 00:17:47,833 --> 00:17:49,700 you know, a considerable part of your career 422 00:17:49,700 --> 00:17:51,033 working in this space. What 423 00:17:51,033 --> 00:17:52,966 do you think has sort of changed? 424 00:17:52,966 --> 00:17:55,900 You know, is there a difference in consumer perception? 425 00:17:55,900 --> 00:17:59,566 Is the peptide noise helping 426 00:17:59,566 --> 00:18:01,733 the bioregulatory conversation? 427 00:18:02,233 --> 00:18:04,566 I suppose it is, yes. 428 00:18:04,566 --> 00:18:06,333 I mean, it is a different world. 429 00:18:06,366 --> 00:18:07,766 When I started out, 430 00:18:08,366 --> 00:18:10,300 I don't want to call them fads, 431 00:18:10,300 --> 00:18:13,800 and this isn't a fad, but over the course of my career, 432 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:17,366 there were constant... I mean, the very first thing I remember people into was chelation. 433 00:18:17,466 --> 00:18:20,266 Later on, I did quite a lot with nootropics, 434 00:18:20,266 --> 00:18:22,233 which morphed into smart drugs and 435 00:18:22,233 --> 00:18:24,166 then bioidentical hormones, 436 00:18:24,166 --> 00:18:25,866 which are still around, of course. 437 00:18:25,866 --> 00:18:27,866 All these things are still around, of course. 438 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:32,200 And now, very much at the front and center, is peptides, 439 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:33,300 without question. 440 00:18:33,300 --> 00:18:35,266 They're all... And words, I mean, 441 00:18:35,266 --> 00:18:38,100 I remember using the word anti-aging, 442 00:18:38,366 --> 00:18:41,366 you know, 20-plus, 30-plus years ago, and people laughed. 443 00:18:41,366 --> 00:18:43,800 I honestly remember that. Now, 444 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:45,600 you know, every advert on television, 445 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:48,166 every... You know, it's all over the place. 446 00:18:48,233 --> 00:18:49,766 You know, because... Well, I mean, yeah, 447 00:18:49,766 --> 00:18:52,400 now you can buy yourself a longevity chocolate bar. 448 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:55,100 So, I mean, you know, exactly. Exactly. 449 00:18:55,366 --> 00:18:57,166 Two final questions before we bring our... 450 00:18:57,166 --> 00:19:00,033 bring it to a close. You did touch on, you know, 451 00:19:00,033 --> 00:19:03,033 the terminology of anti-aging and now,

452 00:19:03,033 --> 00:19:04,666 you know, sort of longevity. 453 00:19:04,833 --> 00:19:06,766 What's the significance 454 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:10,033 between bioregulators and anti-aging and longevity? 455 00:19:10,033 --> 00:19:13,166 Where do the bedfellows meet? Right. 456 00:19:13,233 --> 00:19:15,766 Well, that's really interesting. 457 00:19:15,766 --> 00:19:16,866 And if you don't mind, Richard, 458 00:19:16,866 --> 00:19:18,466 I'm going to give you the one-minute story 459 00:19:18,466 --> 00:19:21,000 about the biggest study they ever did with the humans. 460 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:22,233 Okay. 461 00:19:22,233 --> 00:19:25,200 So... Please. Which Khavinson was behind, of course. 462 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:29,500 So they took three bioregulators, 463 00:19:29,633 --> 00:19:33,466 and I still quantify these as the three most important, 464 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:35,600 unless you're treating a problem. 465 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:37,300 If you have a problem with your thyroid, yes, 466 00:19:37,300 --> 00:19:39,066 you want to take a thyroid bioregulator, right? 467 00:19:39,066 --> 00:19:41,900 Whatever. But if you're not sure 468 00:19:41,900 --> 00:19:43,066 and you just want good 469 00:19:43,066 --> 00:19:44,666 general health for as long as you want, 470 00:19:44,666 --> 00:19:47,966 et cetera, I think this trial focused on these three 471 00:19:47,966 --> 00:19:50,366 and really proved it. So it was pineal, 472 00:19:50,500 --> 00:19:53,000 thymus, blood vessel. Okay. 473 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:54,833 So what did they do? Well, 474 00:19:54,833 --> 00:19:56,166 they did two big studies, 475 00:19:56,166 --> 00:19:58,166 but the biggest study they did is 476 00:19:58,166 --> 00:20:02,666 they took 11,000 workers in Gazprom. 477 00:20:02,666 --> 00:20:06,666 Gazprom are Russia's oil and gas people, right? 478 00:20:07,433 --> 00:20:12,466 Khavinson said most of these workers were living in Siberia, right? 479 00:20:12,466 --> 00:20:14,866 So already they're in a tough environment. 480 00:20:14,866 --> 00:20:15,866 I always say to people 481 00:20:15,866 --> 00:20:18,100 they weren't office workers in New York, 482 00:20:18,100 --> 00:20:20,466 you know, they already had a tough day. 483 00:20:20,666 --> 00:20:23,366 So there we are. So, 11,000 of them. 484 00:20:23,366 --> 00:20:27,366 Now they put 3,000 of them on placebo, 485 00:20:27,366 --> 00:20:30,000 which was vitamin pills, right? 486 00:20:30,100 --> 00:20:32,533 And then the other 8,000, 487 00:20:32,666 --> 00:20:36,033 they gave these three bioregulators 488 00:20:36,033 --> 00:20:39,266 which I just described. And over 12... 489 00:20:39,266 --> 00:20:40,733 Was that an oral bioregulator? 490 00:20:41,100 --> 00:20:43,200 Was that an oral bioregulator, or...? 491 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,300 It was oral. It was oral, yeah. 492 00:20:45,300 --> 00:20:48,666 So it was thymus, pineal, 493 00:20:48,700 --> 00:20:50,300 blood vessel. Okay. 494 00:20:50,433 --> 00:20:51,600 Khavinson said, of course, 495 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,133 blood vessel is synergistic with them all. 496 00:20:54,166 --> 00:20:57,666 Not really surprising when you realize what it does, 497 00:20:57,666 --> 00:20:59,700 right? But anyway, 498 00:20:59,700 --> 00:21:02,666 long story short, by the end of the trial, 499 00:21:02,666 --> 00:21:04,733 the end of 12 years, 500 00:21:05,633 --> 00:21:06,766 they had a thousand... They... 501 00:21:06,766 --> 00:21:08,633 The numbers did go down over time. 502 00:21:08,633 --> 00:21:10,266 They didn't give it 11,000, 503 00:21:10,266 --> 00:21:12,366 8,000 people all the time. 504 00:21:12,366 --> 00:21:13,666 But by the end of the trial, 505 00:21:13,666 --> 00:21:17,633 and, by the way, people started at the ages of 40, 50, 506 00:21:17,633 --> 00:21:19,466 60. These were not 20-, 507 00:21:19,466 --> 00:21:21,500 30-year-olds in the trials. Okay. 508 00:21:21,500 --> 00:21:25,600 So by the time the trial ended 12 years later, 509 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,366 we were talking about people in their 50s, 510 00:21:27,366 --> 00:21:30,100 60s, 70s, even a few in their 80s. Okay. 511 00:21:30,366 --> 00:21:32,433 And they studied that group 512 00:21:32,433 --> 00:21:33,900 and then they studied the group 513 00:21:33,900 --> 00:21:36,100 that just took the vitamins. 514 00:21:37,166 --> 00:21:39,800 And they found that in the peptide group, 515 00:21:39,966 --> 00:21:41,500 in the bioregulator group, 516 00:21:41,666 --> 00:21:45,400 they had 30% less 517 00:21:45,700 --> 00:21:51,466 morbidity and 30% less mortality, right? 518 00:21:51,466 --> 00:21:54,800 Now, again, that number 30's come up again, hasn't it? 519 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:58,800 And what Khavinson said was that what these peptides... 520 00:21:58,966 --> 00:22:00,166 I keep saying peptides. 521 00:22:00,166 --> 00:22:03,166 What these bioregulators are fundamentally doing 522 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,100 is they are activating 523 00:22:05,300 --> 00:22:08,466 what he called the biological reserve. 524 00:22:08,633 --> 00:22:11,566 And he's discovered that every cell 525 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:17,266 in our body has a biological reserve of 30%. 526 00:22:18,166 --> 00:22:20,200 It's sitting there waiting to be used, 527 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,500 but obviously sometimes it isn't activated. 528 00:22:22,500 --> 00:22:25,933 And so his theory was, 529 00:22:26,100 --> 00:22:29,233 if the longest-lived people, verifiable, 530 00:22:29,233 --> 00:22:33,500 have been about 120... I mean, Jeanne Calment was 122. 531 00:22:33,500 --> 00:22:34,966 There was a lady in England, actually, 532 00:22:34,966 --> 00:22:38,133 just the other day, 117, right? 533 00:22:38,300 --> 00:22:41,466 And it's extremely rare, folks, to get over 110 534 00:22:41,466 --> 00:22:43,533 because they call them supercentenarians. 535 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:47,166 They

reckon if you haven't got enough fingers and toes... 536 00:22:47,466 --> 00:22:49,233 You have enough fingers and toes to count 537 00:22:49,233 --> 00:22:51,300 the number of supercentenarians on this planet 538 00:22:51,300 --> 00:22:52,600 right now. Okay. 539 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,466 It is rare, but he, 540 00:22:54,766 --> 00:22:58,300 Khavinson, surmised that the peptides 541 00:22:58,300 --> 00:23:00,766 would activate this biological reserve. 542 00:23:00,766 --> 00:23:03,233 And is it an accident 543 00:23:03,233 --> 00:23:06,133 that the average lifespan in the West is 80 544 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:10,900 and yet the maximum verifiable lifespan is nearer 120? 545 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,266 Are these... It's only a hypothesis, folks. 546 00:23:14,266 --> 00:23:16,400 Are these long-lived people 547 00:23:16,466 --> 00:23:18,800 activating their biological reserve? 548 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:22,266 So we may have something that 549 00:23:22,266 --> 00:23:24,266 not only improves overall health 550 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:28,600 but actually will increase lifespan as well. 551 00:23:29,466 --> 00:23:30,400 Maybe. Indeed. 552 00:23:31,100 --> 00:23:32,633 Now, talking of lifespan, 553 00:23:32,633 --> 00:23:36,600 we're going to jump forward over the next 10 years. 554 00:23:36,700 --> 00:23:38,166 What are your hopes, 555 00:23:38,166 --> 00:23:40,666 prayers and dreams for bioregulators 556 00:23:40,666 --> 00:23:41,766 and where do you see...? 557 00:23:42,966 --> 00:23:46,300 My dream is that we conquer aging. 558 00:23:46,833 --> 00:23:50,366 I think it's the biggest problem the human race faces. 559 00:23:50,500 --> 00:23:52,600 I'm not saying that's conquering death. 560 00:23:52,766 --> 00:23:54,466 That's a completely different subject. 561 00:23:54,466 --> 00:23:57,066 So let's not have the religious people writing in. 562 00:23:57,466 --> 00:23:59,733 That's a whole different debate. 563 00:24:01,900 --> 00:24:03,466 Years and years ago, 564 00:24:03,466 --> 00:24:06,100 I got involved with a parliamentary subcommittee, 565 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,933 and I gave them some facts and figures. 566 00:24:10,033 --> 00:24:13,566 If we break down what all diseases are, 567 00:24:13,566 --> 00:24:16,166 they fall into four categories. Okay. 568 00:24:16,166 --> 00:24:18,266 They are either inherited disease, 569 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:19,566 genetic disease, 570 00:24:19,766 --> 00:24:24,766 or they are trauma, accidents, or they are infectious, 571 00:24:25,033 --> 00:24:27,966 right, or they are degenerative. 572 00:24:28,300 --> 00:24:30,666 And I think there's a strong argument to make that 573 00:24:30,666 --> 00:24:34,700 degenerative diseases are principally aging. 574 00:24:34,866 --> 00:24:36,600 How many 20-year-olds do you know 575 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,233 with Alzheimer's disease, just as an example, right? 576 00:24:39,233 --> 00:24:41,266 It's very likely, the older you get, 577 00:24:41,566 --> 00:24:43,166 the more likelihood there is of having 578 00:24:43,166 --> 00:24:45,466 a degenerative disease. That's a given, really. 579 00:24:45,500 --> 00:24:50,166 So if you then take the financial cost for most countries, 580 00:24:50,166 --> 00:24:52,400 and I looked up the UK at the time, 581 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:56,333 and you broke it down into those four categories. Okay. 582 00:24:56,900 --> 00:24:59,300 We spend, as a society, 583 00:24:59,366 --> 00:25:03,566 75 to 90% of the money on degenerative disease. 584 00:25:04,233 --> 00:25:08,266 Right? So, if you want to make a financial impact, 585 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:12,133 help people not suffer from degenerative diseases, right? 586 00:25:12,233 --> 00:25:14,966 Job one. And it would make... And, of course, 587 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,166 it would make an enormous impact to people's lives. 588 00:25:18,500 --> 00:25:20,833 Not to have cancer, not to have Alzheimer's, 589 00:25:20,833 --> 00:25:23,433 not to have arthritis or whatever it is, right? 590 00:25:23,433 --> 00:25:25,700 I don't want to put words in your mouth, 591 00:25:25,700 --> 00:25:28,200 but you're sort of suggesting, or leaning towards, 592 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,266 we may actually have some of the answers, 593 00:25:30,633 --> 00:25:32,300 they're just hiding in plain sight. 594 00:25:32,300 --> 00:25:33,633 Yeah, I think so. 595 00:25:33,633 --> 00:25:35,866 I think so. The issues, 596 00:25:35,866 --> 00:25:37,033 as I think you already know 597 00:25:37,033 --> 00:25:39,000 from your previous episodes, Richard, 598 00:25:39,033 --> 00:25:40,800 it will come down to regulations. 599 00:25:41,500 --> 00:25:44,433 Will people... Can we get at... I mean, 600 00:25:44,433 --> 00:25:45,566 there's no accident, of course, 601 00:25:45,566 --> 00:25:47,366 that medical tourism exists today, 602 00:25:47,366 --> 00:25:51,066 because people are flying to Turkey or wherever, right, 603 00:25:51,066 --> 00:25:52,866 or to get treatments 604 00:25:53,100 --> 00:25:55,433 and procedures that they just can't get locally. 605 00:25:55,433 --> 00:25:57,200 And we're going to see a lot more of that, 606 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,400 I think. But my dream is we defeat aging. 607 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:01,600 That's my dream. 608 00:26:02,566 --> 00:26:05,600 Well, it's a bold dream to have, Phil, 609 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,800 one I happen to share with you as well. 610 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,533 So, thank you. 611 00:26:09,666 --> 00:26:11,533 Well, it really has been a pleasure. 612 00:26:11,633 --> 00:26:12,900 Thank you. Thank you.