النص الكامل لحلقة Cassandra Lewis: The Radicalization of Vulnerability

00:02:31.733 Yeah, Chris Porter. 00:02:31.733 --> 00:02:31.933 Sending it straight to him. 00:02:31.933 --> 00:02:33.004 Yeah, he's the booker. 00:02:33.284 --> 00:02:33.504 Come 00:02:33.504 --> 00:02:34.393 on, baby. 00:02:34.393 --> 00:02:37.314 Uh, and he does Hardly Strictly too, so, uh- 00:02:37.333 --> 00:02:38.264 Well, I did the Hardly Strictly- 00:02:38.293 --> 00:02:38.703 Okay 00:02:38.713 --> 00:02:39.213 a couple years ago. 00:02:39.213 --> 00:02:39.543 So, all right. 00:02:39.553 --> 00:02:42.864 So there's, there's, there's some … So there is a, uh, town 00:02:43.303 --> 00:02:46.044 in, um, Marin County called Fairfax. 00:02:46.223 --> 00:02:46.394 Mm-hmm. 00:02:46.553 --> 00:02:50.713 And I don't know if you, you know of it, and it is known as, uh, Mayberry on Acid. 00:02:50.723 --> 00:02:51.853 Mayberry on … Yeah. 00:02:51.873 --> 00:02:55.743 That's so weird because I also heard there's a place in 00:02:55.744 --> 00:02:57.413 Texas called Mayberry on Acid. 00:02:57.533 --> 00:02:59.573 Or rather, that it's, it's … Oh, I can't remember what 00:02:59.573 --> 00:02:59.593 it's called. 00:02:59.593 --> 00:02:59.953 Really? 00:03:00.233 --> 00:03:02.363 But yeah, they have a whole bumper sticker about it too. 00:03:02.464 --> 00:03:02.864 Okay. 00:03:02.864 --> 00:03:03.744 Mayberry on Acid. 00:03:03.744 --> 00:03:04.463 It's the same thing 00:03:04.494 --> 00:03:04.831 where I saw it. 00:03:04.831 --> 00:03:06.343 Well, that's, we gotta, we need to research this, and- Well, 00:03:06.483 --> 00:03:08.663 maybe it's like the Banana Bill- And fact- … sort of just, like, 00:03:08.663 --> 00:03:09.814 stretches across the country 00:03:10.104 --> 00:03:10.793 and fact check it. 00:03:10.904 --> 00:03:12.854 So the point is I know what you mean- 00:03:12.973 --> 00:03:13.183 Yeah 00:03:13.184 --> 00:03:15.463 … about the Dolly Parton on acid- Yeah … and Janis, Janis 00:03:15.473 --> 00:03:16.933 Joplin on Jesus in general. 00:03:17.203 --> 00:03:17.524 Oh, yeah. 00:03:17.553 --> 00:03:19.414 Um, but what did you mean by that? 00:03:19.414 --> 00:03:19.789 What 00:03:19.789 --> 00:03:20.433 did I mean? 00:03:20.824 --> 00:03:23.453 Well, I think it, what it is, is, like, I, I grew up with such 00:03:23.453 --> 00:03:27.245 a, an eclectic- spread of music. 00:03:27.525 --> 00:03:29.995 I, I did road trips with my grandparents, and they were big 00:03:29.995 --> 00:03:36.565 lovers of, of Elvis Presley and classic, like, 1950s crooner music. 00:03:37.055 --> 00:03:39.865 And then, uh, I also lived in southeast Idaho for a lot. 00:03:39.865 --> 00:03:43.886 I mean, uh, Nashville's my 33rd city, so I've lived a lot of places. 00:03:44.265 --> 00:03:49.345 But, um, you know, I m- I mostly grew up in southeast Idaho, Wyoming border. 00:03:49.775 --> 00:03:53.396 And, um, and so country music was a huge part of my growing up. 00:03:53.486 --> 00:03:57.826 And, um, so there was that, and then my stepdad also had, like, this 00:03:57.855 --> 00:04:01.155 crazy, you know, back when people had to download stuff off Napster. 00:04:01.155 --> 00:04:01.885 Yo, shh, 00:04:01.885 --> 00:04:03.135 Napster. 00:04:03.135 --> 00:04:04.335 Um, you don't know about Napster? 00:04:04.335 --> 00:04:04.615 That was 00:04:04.615 --> 00:04:05.505 only a moment in 00:04:05.775 --> 00:04:05.805 time. 00:04:05.805 --> 00:04:06.715 It seems like- It was a blip. 00:04:06.855 --> 00:04:07.115 Yeah. 00:04:07.135 --> 00:04:10.655 I mean, you know, I, we were, we were thrilled back then. 00:04:11.615 --> 00:04:14.355 We were thrilled back then to get all kinds of access to music, because 00:04:14.355 --> 00:04:16.466 going to the store and everything, you couldn't really get everything. 00:04:16.986 --> 00:04:20.655 Um, but he had such a crazy, like, collection of music, so I was listening 00:04:20.655 --> 00:04:26.665 to anything from Pink Floyd to Patsy Cline to, you know, um, Muddy Waters 00:04:26.666 --> 00:04:33.316 and Led Zeppelin and, and, uh, i- like, cattle call, like, yodeling stuff. 00:04:33.316 --> 00:04:37.885 I was part of a, the Idaho Cowboy Poet Society, so I was yodeling at, like- 00:04:37.885 --> 00:04:39.585 That's so cool … at, at 10 years old. 00:04:39.585 --> 00:04:40.055 And- 00:04:47.286 --> 00:04:48.376 going to do stuff like that. 00:04:48.376 --> 00:04:51.506 So it's always been kind of a strange mix, uh, of things. 00:04:51.506 --> 00:04:54.416 And, and when people are like, "What do you, where, where do you belong?" 00:04:54.416 --> 00:04:55.756 I say, "Well, I belong everywhere." 00:04:56.335 --> 00:04:57.155 Well, you do. 00:04:57.155 --> 00:04:57.395 I mean- I think. 00:04:57.715 --> 00:04:58.786 It's a little sunlight. 00:04:59.036 --> 00:04:59.466 Yeah. 00:04:59.566 --> 00:05:01.996 Uh, is it fair to say you were an Army brat? 00:05:02.255 --> 00:05:02.405 Is that pretty- Absolutely. 00:05:02.405 --> 00:05:02.515 Yeah, that was my- Yeah, yeah … that was my next question. 00:05:02.515 --> 00:05:02.585 You took it 00:05:02.686 --> 00:05:03.925 right out of my- Oh, 00:05:05.726 --> 00:05:06.036 I took it. 00:05:06.036 --> 00:05:06.525 See how we go. 00:05:06.525 --> 00:05:06.735 Yeah. 00:05:06.746 --> 00:05:07.756 World War II, um- 00:05:08.385 --> 00:05:13.615 Yeah, I was, I was born on a, a decommissioned military base 00:05:13.615 --> 00:05:18.185 in, uh, or rather decommissioned German base in Nuremberg, Germany. 00:05:18.756 --> 00:05:21.115 And, uh, very strange place, I think, to be born. 00:05:21.115 --> 00:05:23.445 I was born with lots of weird dreams I don't think were mine. 00:05:24.115 --> 00:05:25.266 I don't think they're mine. 00:05:25.266 --> 00:05:28.666 I was like, why do I all of a sudden never sit with my back to the door? 00:05:28.885 --> 00:05:31.295 Why do I… You know, there's just like all this stuff, 00:05:31.295 --> 00:05:31.345 you know, it's like mystic.

00:05:31.345 --> 00:05:31.605 Do you 00:05:31.606 --> 00:05:32.556 write down your dreams? 00:05:32.556 --> 00:05:33.505 Do you journal your dreams? 00:05:33.545 --> 00:05:34.816 I can just remember. 00:05:34.915 --> 00:05:36.485 Remember the heck out of- You can remember your dreams? 00:05:36.485 --> 00:05:38.336 Yeah, like in extreme detail. 00:05:38.345 --> 00:05:38.873 You do have a poet. 00:05:38.873 --> 00:05:38.910 There's 00:05:38.910 --> 00:05:39.058 a poet in you. 00:05:39.058 --> 00:05:40.396 But do I know what I had for lunch? 00:05:40.396 --> 00:05:40.715 No. 00:05:40.726 --> 00:05:44.525 Do I know if we changed the key to the song during rehearsal yesterday? 00:05:44.586 --> 00:05:45.366 No. 00:05:46.638 --> 00:05:48.287 No, I don't But these things, yeah … that's why I think it like a, 00:05:48.287 --> 00:05:52.337 a s- a, a, a sort of Akashic memory. 00:05:52.628 --> 00:05:55.727 How many, how about, what about in your, when you write, are you 00:05:55.727 --> 00:05:57.957 writing about your dreams or- 00:05:58.087 --> 00:05:59.328 Well, sometimes, yeah. 00:05:59.328 --> 00:06:02.798 I think there's a, there's some, some inspiration from that. 00:06:02.798 --> 00:06:04.828 Mostly it comes from just real life, though. 00:06:04.837 --> 00:06:04.857 Yeah. 00:06:04.857 --> 00:06:05.287 You know? 00:06:05.568 --> 00:06:05.798 Yeah. 00:06:05.878 --> 00:06:06.188 Yeah. 00:06:06.238 --> 00:06:09.274 I mean, are you seeing- Yeah … you know, I guess images, you know, that, that make 00:06:09.274 --> 00:06:11.877 it- I have a very, very cinematic brain. 00:06:11.888 --> 00:06:11.907 Mm-hmm. 00:06:11.917 --> 00:06:16.637 Like, when I am, when I'm working, I… The, the place that I write 00:06:16.638 --> 00:06:17.917 the most is while I'm driving. 00:06:18.368 --> 00:06:20.267 I don't listen to music while I'm on road trips. 00:06:20.318 --> 00:06:24.047 And, uh, when I lived out west, which I have lived everywhere out west, I 00:06:24.048 --> 00:06:26.228 mean, I'm talking talk, top to bottom. 00:06:27.027 --> 00:06:32.677 I've lived everywhere out west, and I love long stretches of drive on I-5. 00:06:32.777 --> 00:06:34.518 I know, even as miserable as- It's okay. 00:06:34.518 --> 00:06:34.864 It's all right. 00:06:34.864 --> 00:06:35.787 It's okay … that can be for some people. 00:06:35.787 --> 00:06:36.487 I love it. 00:06:36.888 --> 00:06:40.877 I love to do it, and, um, and that's where I get most of my songs. 00:06:40.877 --> 00:06:45.737 But, um- Yeah … yeah, I think, I think, uh, mostly the, the sort 00:06:45.737 --> 00:06:46.918 of spirit comes through that. 00:06:47.437 --> 00:06:50.827 Is there any place… I mean, so this is interesting, you know, 00:06:50.827 --> 00:06:51.847 path we're going down here. 00:06:52.097 --> 00:06:54.858 So, um- Right up your alley, my lady … is there… Well, yeah. 00:06:54.898 --> 00:06:55.098 Okay. 00:06:56.768 --> 00:06:57.033 Let's talk about houses. 00:06:57.033 --> 00:06:59.317 Any particular place living, having lived in all of these different 00:06:59.318 --> 00:07:04.107 places, uh, do you get your inspiration from specific places? 00:07:04.108 --> 00:07:07.527 Like, whether it's the forest or the beach or the, you know, or the, 00:07:07.557 --> 00:07:12.578 a community, specific community, or does it really all come from inside? 00:07:13.687 --> 00:07:15.788 Well, I think it's just how I relate to each place. 00:07:15.788 --> 00:07:22.267 I, I feel like I'm, as much time as I spend in my head, I, I spend twice 00:07:22.267 --> 00:07:24.877 as much trying to receive people- 00:07:25.187 --> 00:07:25.507 Right 00:07:25.917 --> 00:07:27.187 … and receive places. 00:07:27.597 --> 00:07:31.977 And, like, the reason I wanna go is 'cause I wanna be there. 00:07:32.617 --> 00:07:32.647 Right. 00:07:32.657 --> 00:07:38.107 So when I'm there or here or any sort of thing like that, I'm really, really 00:07:38.117 --> 00:07:42.927 trying to, like, open up the channel, um, and just, like, feel where I'm at. 00:07:43.657 --> 00:07:49.497 Um, so I think, I think a lot of it just come, just comes from sitting quiet and 00:07:49.507 --> 00:07:54.918 back and, like, watching and experiencing a place, you know, in small town. 00:07:54.927 --> 00:07:55.017 Just you and your mama. 00:07:55.017 --> 00:07:57.737 Like on the 395, I'm at, like, a little bar. 00:07:57.748 --> 00:07:59.408 I'm at a little saloon in the middle of the day. 00:07:59.408 --> 00:08:03.007 Probably shouldn't be having a whiskey, but I'm doing it anyway, and some old 00:08:03.007 --> 00:08:06.237 lady wants to have a little cigarette with me, and I'm like, "Let's go thrifting." 00:08:07.267 --> 00:08:07.347 Let's do it. 00:08:07.347 --> 00:08:09.367 And that's what we do for the afternoon, you know? 00:08:09.367 --> 00:08:12.678 Like, I'm, I'm trying to open up to all of those things, and I 00:08:12.688 --> 00:08:14.017 think that's what Americana is. 00:08:14.017 --> 00:08:15.638 I think that's what cosmic Americana is. 00:08:15.638 --> 00:08:18.588 It's like opening your heart up to what this experience is, what we've 00:08:18.588 --> 00:08:22.477 been given, and what we're, you know, maybe what we're taking, too, 00:08:22.828 --> 00:08:24.827 and, like, trying to, trying to- 00:08:27.272 --> 00:08:27.642 I don't know. 00:08:28.452 --> 00:08:31.222 Maybe solidify it into history in some way. 00:08:31.462 --> 00:08:31.482 Yeah. 00:08:31.492 --> 00:08:32.371 Good or bad- 00:08:32.482 --> 00:08:32.672 It's 00:08:32.902 --> 00:08:33.332 like, you know- … in some ways 00:08:33.332 --> 00:08:33.802 … it's like 00:08:33.802 --> 00:08:36.442 what- Well, speaking of that, well, just b- holding that one thought- Yeah 00:08:36.442 --> 00:08:37.371 … 'cause I know we won't get back to it. 00:08:37.722 --> 00:08:41.401 So with that, how do you feel about the energy here, since this 00:08:41.402 -->

00:08:44.691 is the inaugural year here at Grass Valley for this festival? 00:08:44.741 --> 00:08:45.201 Yeah. 00:08:45.471 --> 00:08:47.201 Tell us about what you're- Well, I mean, it's my inaugural year, too. 00:08:47.201 --> 00:08:47.261 Oh, it is for you too. 00:08:47.261 --> 00:08:48.752 It's my first time at High Sierra. 00:08:49.431 --> 00:08:51.471 Um, my, my dad is here. 00:08:51.782 --> 00:08:51.892 Oh. 00:08:51.901 --> 00:08:53.661 My nephew is here. 00:08:53.661 --> 00:08:53.691 Oh. 00:08:53.691 --> 00:08:57.412 And, uh, my dad's partner is here, and she's, 30 years she's 00:08:57.412 --> 00:08:57.942 been going to High Sierra. 00:08:58.781 --> 00:09:00.491 She is a vet, okay? 00:09:00.492 --> 00:09:01.722 I'm talking- That's a vet 00:09:02.242 --> 00:09:02.362 serious business. 00:09:02.362 --> 00:09:03.711 I'm talking a vet. So you know. 00:09:03.711 --> 00:09:04.422 Serious business. 00:09:04.441 --> 00:09:06.281 Gina Bopp, okay? 00:09:06.341 --> 00:09:07.511 If you know her, you know her. 00:09:07.511 --> 00:09:07.781 Yeah. 00:09:07.781 --> 00:09:09.872 If you don't- If you know, you know … all right, fair enough. 00:09:10.771 --> 00:09:14.792 But, like, it feels to me fresh, but it feels so cool. 00:09:14.792 --> 00:09:15.901 I've, I used to live out here. 00:09:15.902 --> 00:09:18.692 I used to grow weed out here, North San Juan. 00:09:18.851 --> 00:09:18.871 Yeah. 00:09:19.331 --> 00:09:23.701 Um, for six years I was working out here, and, um, so it's nice to 00:09:23.702 --> 00:09:26.831 come back, but it also, you know, feels very fresh and, and cool. 00:09:26.831 --> 00:09:27.081 And- 00:09:27.601 --> 00:09:27.671 Yeah 00:09:27.841 --> 00:09:29.601 … I don't know, I think it's a really sweet place to have it. 00:09:29.601 --> 00:09:29.751 Yeah. 00:09:29.751 --> 00:09:30.341 Yeah. 00:09:30.341 --> 00:09:33.012 I don't- I mean- You- … well, the, the festival itself, I mean, no 00:09:33.012 --> 00:09:34.822 matter where it is, has its own vibe. 00:09:34.831 --> 00:09:35.171 Right. 00:09:35.231 --> 00:09:35.501 Well- 00:09:35.801 --> 00:09:36.241 Clearly 00:09:36.562 --> 00:09:39.672 … realize that I, I also have the entire rest of the weekend to, like, 00:09:39.672 --> 00:09:41.081 learn what this festival's about. 00:09:41.161 --> 00:09:41.351 Okay. 00:09:41.352 --> 00:09:41.492 So we're gonna catch you later. 00:09:41.492 --> 00:09:43.252 I've been performing since I got here. 00:09:43.261 --> 00:09:43.281 Yeah. 00:09:43.282 --> 00:09:43.532 Right. 00:09:43.541 --> 00:09:43.701 So we 00:09:43.701 --> 00:09:44.186 can- 00:09:44.186 --> 00:09:45.751 You can reserve your answer. 00:09:46.181 --> 00:09:48.731 Well, we're gonna catch you out there … we had, we had load in at 9:30 AM. 00:09:48.731 --> 00:09:50.995 We had Tall Pines yesterday at 5:00. 00:09:50.995 --> 00:09:51.023 All right. 00:09:51.023 --> 00:09:55.072 And then we got eight girls, or eigh- eight people in the band, so this is, this 00:09:55.072 --> 00:09:58.832 is a full thing just to get ourselves set up- Yeah … and camp and everything, so. 00:09:58.832 --> 00:09:59.132 The answer 00:09:59.132 --> 00:10:00.001 is you don't know yet. 00:10:00.032 --> 00:10:00.432 You don't know 00:10:00.432 --> 00:10:00.601 yet. 00:10:00.601 --> 00:10:00.881 I don't know yet. 00:10:00.881 --> 00:10:01.091 We'll find out. 00:10:01.091 --> 00:10:03.212 I actually don't know what this festival's all about. 00:10:03.212 --> 00:10:03.417 You don't know yet. 00:10:03.417 --> 00:10:04.111 But I'm about to find out. 00:10:04.132 --> 00:10:06.952 Well, you knew what, uh, people told you about it, I guess, you know. 00:10:06.952 --> 00:10:07.571 That's right. 00:10:07.731 --> 00:10:08.091 Yeah. 00:10:08.391 --> 00:10:08.621 Yeah. 00:10:08.632 --> 00:10:09.852 And, uh, so what was the, what's the stuff? 00:10:09.852 --> 00:10:09.992 It's 00:10:10.021 --> 00:10:10.561 beloved. 00:10:11.861 --> 00:10:11.881 Yeah. 00:10:11.881 --> 00:10:11.971 It's beloved. 00:10:11.971 --> 00:10:12.001 It's, it's beloved. 00:10:12.001 --> 00:10:12.371 It's a beloved festival. 00:10:12.492 --> 00:10:12.692 Yeah. 00:10:12.692 --> 00:10:15.121 And you, you've have, uh, Katie Skeen just joined your band. 00:10:15.132 --> 00:10:15.412 Yes. 00:10:15.861 --> 00:10:16.461 Oh, yes. 00:10:16.492 --> 00:10:18.222 We know her from California. 00:10:18.231 --> 00:10:19.621 And she just moved out to Nashville, too. 00:10:19.621 --> 00:10:19.821 Yeah. 00:10:19.821 --> 00:10:23.461 We just met not even a couple of months ago, and, uh, I met her 00:10:23.461 --> 00:10:26.962 through Graham Patzer, who was playing the, the keys and violin. 00:10:27.501 --> 00:10:33.422 And, um, yeah, we just like, we had a nice, nice time at Robert's Western 00:10:33.422 --> 00:10:36.812 World, which is one of the only places on Broadway I would recommend you 00:10:36.812 --> 00:10:38.362 go to if you ever go to Nashville. 00:10:39.072 --> 00:10:41.631 Um, Robert's has the best musicians 00:10:41.631 --> 00:10:41.701 all day. 00:10:41.701 --> 00:10:43.611 That sounds like a sponsor, uh, call out for- 00:10:43.621 --> 00:10:46.631 No, I know, but I don't work there, but I promise you that's a spot. 00:10:46.652 --> 00:10:46.672 Yeah. 00:10:46.682 --> 00:10:49.001 And they'll give you the recession special. 00:10:49.261 --> 00:10:55.108 That's a, a moon pie, a bologna san- fried bologna sandwich- chips and a beer. 00:10:55.428 --> 00:10:56.108 For nine bucks- Nine bucks 00:10:56.108 --> 00:10:57.928 I'm gonna tell you right now- For that sounds- … you can't get a better 00:10:57.928 --> 00:10:59.778 deal across the, across the universe. 00:10:59.778 --> 00:11:00.478 Do they have tequila? 00:11:00.868 --> 00:11:00.988 What? 00:11:01.078 --> 00:11:01.310 Oh, tequila. 00:11:01.310 --> 00:11:01.848 They better have tequila. 00:11:02.068 --> 00:11:03.137 Absolutely they do. 00:11:03.438 -->

00:11:03.991 Well, they got everything. 00:11:03.991 --> 00:11:06.417 I mean, it's Broadway, you have to- Ah … you have to have that. 00:11:06.417 --> 00:11:07.488 But that's where I met Katie. 00:11:07.518 --> 00:11:07.938 That's you met her, in the store? 00:11:07.938 --> 00:11:10.438 And we just linked up, and we're like four friends now. 00:11:10.438 --> 00:11:10.457 Oh. 00:11:10.457 --> 00:11:13.687 And now we're in a band, and- Yeah … I just- I love that … she's so amazing 00:11:13.687 --> 00:11:14.071 … little serendipity. 00:11:14.071 --> 00:11:17.017 And it's amazing 'cause I've, you know, following her a little bit in the Bay. 00:11:17.017 --> 00:11:17.808 She's from Ventura. 00:11:17.808 --> 00:11:18.895 She was in Ventura, California. 00:11:18.895 --> 00:11:19.308 Yeah, and she's 00:11:19.308 --> 00:11:20.477 big time in the jam band scene. 00:11:20.477 --> 00:11:20.487 Yeah. 00:11:20.487 --> 00:11:22.238 And she's big, and we're, so are we. 00:11:22.238 --> 00:11:23.557 You know, we do so much, you know. 00:11:23.597 --> 00:11:26.048 For example, Jay Lane is our next, interview. 00:11:26.058 --> 00:11:26.738 Yeah, Jay Lane's coming in. 00:11:26.738 --> 00:11:30.127 But, um, yeah, we- we're around the whole Graham Olesh and, 00:11:30.138 --> 00:11:33.428 uh, Terrapin, and I don't know, all, all of the jam band stuff. 00:11:33.507 --> 00:11:34.508 And we have a lot of that. 00:11:34.858 --> 00:11:36.247 Um, so yes, we know her from that. 00:11:36.247 --> 00:11:36.257 Mm-hmm. 00:11:36.257 --> 00:11:36.388 She's badass. 00:11:36.978 --> 00:11:37.497 She is. 00:11:37.507 --> 00:11:37.837 She's badass. 00:11:38.737 --> 00:11:40.107 Sh- I call it shreditation. 00:11:40.237 --> 00:11:40.737 Yeah. 00:11:40.827 --> 00:11:41.587 Shreditation. 00:11:41.597 --> 00:11:44.167 When I'm listening to her I'm just like, "What? How do you even… Where 00:11:44.167 --> 00:11:45.927 are those notes on the guitar, man?" 00:11:46.117 --> 00:11:46.718 And that's it. 00:11:46.807 --> 00:11:47.568 How do you do that? 00:11:47.568 --> 00:11:49.347 And so that, the universe, put you guys together- Yeah 00:11:49.357 --> 00:11:49.757 and Robert. 00:11:49.757 --> 00:11:53.118 So- Well, I think, you know, what I really wanted was some feminine energy 00:11:53.118 --> 00:11:59.018 on this tour, and, and, uh, and I, I'm so happy to have such incredible artists. 00:11:59.018 --> 00:12:01.838 They all have their own projects too, you know? 00:12:01.838 --> 00:12:01.848 Yeah. 00:12:01.848 --> 00:12:01.867 Yeah. 00:12:01.867 --> 00:12:04.957 So it's hard to pull everybody off of what they're doing in the middle 00:12:04.957 --> 00:12:08.247 of- of summer, and like, the fact that they're willing to jump in 00:12:08.247 --> 00:12:10.517 for the next few weeks and lock in. 00:12:10.808 --> 00:12:14.987 We're going to Lincoln City after this, up in Oregon on the coast. 00:12:15.037 --> 00:12:18.387 We're doing a show out there, um,

this next Wednesday. 00:12:18.408 --> 00:12:20.018 We're doing Oregon Country Fair. 00:12:20.027 --> 00:12:20.477 Oh, you are? 00:12:20.497 --> 00:12:20.677 Next Wednesday. 00:12:20.687 --> 00:12:21.247 Yes. 00:12:21.247 --> 00:12:21.428 Oh, that's amazing. 00:12:21.428 --> 00:12:23.408 It's our first main stage gig out at AC- OCF. 00:12:23.918 --> 00:12:26.977 Talk about- Not my first fair, but- Yeah … it's my first main stage 00:12:27.257 --> 00:12:27.287 there. 00:12:27.287 --> 00:12:27.477 Talk 00:12:27.487 --> 00:12:28.078 about jam 00:12:28.078 --> 00:12:28.587 band scene. 00:12:28.617 --> 00:12:29.352 I know, right? 00:12:29.352 --> 00:12:29.528 Yeah. 00:12:29.528 --> 00:12:31.767 That is really- Oh man, it's beyond that at this point. 00:12:31.768 --> 00:12:33.372 Psychedelic clownery. 00:12:33.372 --> 00:12:34.287 I mean- Yeah … for sure. 00:12:34.308 --> 00:12:34.348 That's 00:12:34.348 --> 00:12:34.878 awesome and incredible. 00:12:34.878 --> 00:12:34.898 Yeah. 00:12:34.898 --> 00:12:35.467 Jay will be there. 00:12:35.507 --> 00:12:35.917 Yeah. 00:12:35.967 --> 00:12:37.168 It's gonna be a real good time. 00:12:37.177 --> 00:12:37.197 Yeah. 00:12:37.198 --> 00:12:41.067 And then, uh, you know, we've got Healdsburg, and then we're heading 00:12:41.077 --> 00:12:44.747 back to the Bay Area for July 18th, a really cool show there. 00:12:44.857 --> 00:12:45.187 Where? 00:12:45.237 --> 00:12:47.527 Uh, called the Existential Dread and Circus. 00:12:47.948 --> 00:12:48.188 Wow. 00:12:48.217 --> 00:12:49.617 A big distraction- What is that? 00:12:49.617 --> 00:12:50.937 … from all of your woes. 00:12:50.957 --> 00:12:51.457 What is 00:12:51.717 --> 00:12:51.747 that? 00:12:51.747 --> 00:12:52.247 Why have you not- All of your- … told me? 00:12:52.247 --> 00:12:53.297 … American woes. 00:12:53.317 --> 00:12:55.237 It's called the Existential Dread and Circus. 00:12:55.237 --> 00:12:56.417 It's a festival I'm throwing. 00:12:56.637 --> 00:12:56.717 Oh. 00:12:56.728 --> 00:12:57.367 One day. 00:12:57.577 --> 00:12:58.437 One day only. 00:12:58.437 --> 00:12:58.827 Okay. 00:12:58.838 --> 00:12:59.128 Where? 00:12:59.167 --> 00:12:59.477 We'll be 00:12:59.478 --> 00:12:59.618 there. 00:12:59.618 --> 00:13:01.977 It's at Point San Pablo Marina- Ah 00:13:01.997 --> 00:13:03.057 in Richmond, California. 00:13:03.057 --> 00:13:03.121 Point Richmond. 00:13:03.121 --> 00:13:03.247 Oh, we know that. 00:13:03.557 --> 00:13:06.728 With Whisker Man, who is- Oh … an epic band if you haven't heard them. 00:13:06.728 --> 00:13:12.448 But he's, he's the piano and violin player, and his band is absolutely 00:13:12.968 --> 00:13:13.028 amazing. 00:13:13.028 --> 00:13:13.238 This is so far out 00:13:13.238 --> 00:13:13.268 there. 00:13:13.287 --> 00:13:14.138 And then, yeah. 00:13:14.178 --> 00:13:14.957 No, it's great. 00:13:14.967 --> 00:13:17.527 It's like a kinda Monty Python meets Salvador Dali- 00:13:17.587 --> 00:13:19.598 meets low budget acid clowns. 00:13:19.667 --> 00:13:19.837 Okay. 00:13:20.317 --> 00:13:21.187 That is- Acid has to come 00:13:21.187 --> 00:13:21.537 into it, doesn't it? 00:13:21.537 --> 00:13:22.047 … great. 00:13:22.247 --> 00:13:22.277 Okay. 00:13:22.467 --> 00:13:24.267 And on, on water, on the marina. 00:13:24.267 --> 00:13:24.628 Yeah. 00:13:24.628 --> 00:13:24.678 Ah. 00:13:24.678 --> 00:13:25.767 It's like a beautiful little place. 00:13:25.777 --> 00:13:26.275 It's, it's beautiful. 00:13:26.275 --> 00:13:26.417 Pablo is beautiful. 00:13:26.417 --> 00:13:26.667 I think I've heard of it. 00:13:27.267 --> 00:13:28.657 There's lots of Burning Man art. 00:13:28.697 --> 00:13:28.787 I'm excited. 00:13:28.817 --> 00:13:30.057 So- It'll be cool … it's a cool, cool spot. 00:13:30.277 --> 00:13:31.977 Let's talk about your album. 00:13:32.047 --> 00:13:32.507 Yes. 00:13:32.577 --> 00:13:32.767 Chris. 00:13:32.768 --> 00:13:33.148 Please. 00:13:33.158 --> 00:13:34.157 Let's talk about your album. 00:13:34.257 --> 00:13:34.407 Yes. 00:13:34.417 --> 00:13:38.727 What is- So there was a, this, a single was released, American Sickness. 00:13:38.777 --> 00:13:41.167 And yeah, that one's out now. 00:13:41.208 --> 00:13:43.964 And, uh- The rest is, is coming. 00:13:43.974 --> 00:13:44.004 Okay. 00:13:44.004 --> 00:13:45.734 I'm producing the record myself. 00:13:45.744 --> 00:13:45.774 Okay. 00:13:46.344 --> 00:13:47.904 Um, it's all been recorded. 00:13:47.904 --> 00:13:51.494 We recorded at RCA Studio A in Nashville, Tennessee. 00:13:51.504 --> 00:13:51.984 Nice. 00:13:52.024 --> 00:13:53.034 Thank you Dave Cobb. 00:13:53.064 --> 00:13:56.174 He- Yeah … sponsored the session there, and, uh, he's a g- he, 00:13:56.184 --> 00:13:58.964 he worked on my last record- Yes … Lost In A Dream with me. 00:13:58.974 --> 00:13:58.994 Yeah. 00:13:59.004 --> 00:14:02.613 And, uh, wanted to support my independent career, so he kinda- 00:14:02.673 --> 00:14:05.784 Yeah … uh, sent us in there, and he's like, "Give you a few days. 00:14:05.784 --> 00:14:06.594 Go on, get in there. 00:14:06.594 --> 00:14:07.163 I trust you. 00:14:07.193 --> 00:14:08.253 Go do what you gotta do." 00:14:08.564 --> 00:14:09.274 That's beautiful. 00:14:09.353 --> 00:14:09.623 Yeah. 00:14:09.623 --> 00:14:12.743 So now I'm just in the process… I mean, obviously during tour and, 00:14:12.753 --> 00:14:16.333 like, all the summer stuff, I'm not really super hyper-focused on it, 00:14:16.333 --> 00:14:18.503 but- I'm helping to mix the record. 00:14:18.504 --> 00:14:22.764 We got, like, a 10-piece orchestra to work on- Wow … on strings and all that. 00:14:22.774 --> 00:14:22.794 Wow. 00:14:23.414 --> 00:14:25.243 And, um, yeah, it's my first time 00:14:25.243 --> 00:14:26.873 getting to take the driver's seat. 00:14:27.153 --> 00:14:27.503 Ah. 00:14:27.574 --> 00:14:27.763 So I'm 00:14:27.763 --> 00:14:28.053

feeling 00:14:28.054 --> 00:14:29.004 very excited about it. 00:14:29.603 --> 00:14:30.023 That is 00:14:30.033 --> 00:14:30.070 so cool. 00:14:30.070 --> 00:14:30.403 And you got Mainstage- Yeah, so I said, right, so it was the 00:14:30.403 --> 00:14:31.585 single I was, I was referring to. 00:14:31.585 --> 00:14:31.833 Oh, okay. 00:14:31.833 --> 00:14:32.023 Yeah, 00:14:32.023 --> 00:14:32.383 American 00:14:32.383 --> 00:14:32.723 Sickness. 00:14:32.723 --> 00:14:32.833 Yeah. 00:14:32.833 --> 00:14:32.967 Yeah. 00:14:32.967 --> 00:14:34.124 So you, so you've got that. 00:14:34.124 --> 00:14:35.123 You're in the driver's seat here. 00:14:35.123 --> 00:14:37.963 You got Mainstage at the Oregon Country Fair. 00:14:37.963 --> 00:14:38.074 Oregon Country Fair, yeah. 00:14:38.074 --> 00:14:39.123 What is next for you? 00:14:39.123 --> 00:14:39.143 Thank you. 00:14:39.143 --> 00:14:40.094 What is there, could there… So- 00:14:40.094 --> 00:14:40.523 A nap. 00:14:41.043 --> 00:14:41.453 Darling. 00:14:41.633 --> 00:14:42.633 I have a… So- 00:14:42.723 --> 00:14:43.083 A nap. 00:14:43.093 --> 00:14:45.103 A massage … y- Mental health counseling 00:14:45.103 --> 00:14:45.784 They have that over here 00:14:45.793 --> 00:14:46.463 … backstage. 00:14:46.623 --> 00:14:47.043 You know they seem to. 00:14:47.043 --> 00:14:47.733 Y- I mean, I'm- 00:14:47.744 --> 00:14:48.343 At High Sierra 00:14:48.893 --> 00:14:49.593 … 100,000 people fighting. 00:14:49.593 --> 00:14:50.454 I, I was thinking it said Lost In A Dream. 00:14:51.164 --> 00:14:51.814 I 00:14:53.864 --> 00:14:54.474 fell asleep in a field 00:15:03.858 --> 00:15:04.396 Let's talk about that one because- Yeah … is that the one that 00:15:04.396 --> 00:15:05.758 had sort of The Wizard of Oz- Oh, 00:15:05.758 --> 00:15:06.138 yes … theme? 00:15:06.158 --> 00:15:06.518 Yeah. 00:15:06.698 --> 00:15:06.908 Yeah. 00:15:06.908 --> 00:15:08.638 Well, I like kind of working cinematic- 00:15:08.668 --> 00:15:09.108 Yeah 00:15:09.208 --> 00:15:10.408 … in a cinematic scope. 00:15:10.628 --> 00:15:13.368 Every, every record has sort of a movie that's attached to it. 00:15:13.368 --> 00:15:15.247 Always, Always was very much like that. 00:15:15.677 --> 00:15:18.427 Tarantino vibes for that one, for sure. 00:15:18.697 --> 00:15:18.997 Yeah. 00:15:19.008 --> 00:15:23.688 Um, but Lost In a Dream was about a relationship that I had had in, in 00:15:23.717 --> 00:15:27.068 Portland, Oregon, and I felt like I was just dating The Wizard of Oz 00:15:27.068 --> 00:15:29.529 and- The whole, like, he was sort of like- The man behind the curtain? 00:15:29.529 --> 00:15:29.797 … the man behind the curtain. 00:15:29.797 --> 00:15:30.307 The man behind the curtain. 00:15:30.728 --> 00:15:34.548 He wasn't really what he was pro- like, showing himself to be, and everybody 00:15:34.557 --> 00:15:36.038 gave him all this worship and… 00:15:36.538 --> 00:15:38.887 But I'm the one that had to go on this hero's journey. 00:15:38.897 --> 00:15:38.907 Oh. 00:15:38.917 --> 00:15:44.448 I had to go find my heart and my mind and, um, you know, my, my whatever, 00:15:44.457 --> 00:15:48.997 all the rest of the things, my courage, um, and become all the characters to 00:15:48.998 --> 00:15:53.678 kind of, by the end of it, realize that I had all those things already in me. 00:15:54.937 --> 00:15:59.297 And, uh, kind of forgive, forgive, though I could not forget- 00:15:59.597 --> 00:15:59.787 Right. 00:15:59.787 --> 00:15:59.987 Yeah 00:16:00.037 --> 00:16:01.268 … you know, the situation. 00:16:01.268 --> 00:16:05.227 And, and, um, yeah, when you put somebody on a pedestal for so long, 00:16:05.237 --> 00:16:06.748 you, and, uh- Isn't that true? 00:16:06.748 --> 00:16:13.270 … and you really do the inner work- You start to see yourself in them, and like 00:16:13.270 --> 00:16:18.499 what you, maybe the, the spaces that you needed to be filled in that relationship. 00:16:18.500 --> 00:16:20.249 And so that's what that record was really about. 00:16:20.250 --> 00:16:22.900 It wasn't like a big angry breakup record. 00:16:22.900 --> 00:16:22.999 It was- Did 00:16:23.000 --> 00:16:26.109 you happen to see, um, did you go to the Sphere and see the Wizard of Oz- 00:16:26.120 --> 00:16:28.649 No, I can't- … girl, I can't do any of that stuff. 00:16:28.649 --> 00:16:29.760 I would love to do that. 00:16:29.929 --> 00:16:32.409 It's funny because I wrote that 2020. 00:16:32.979 --> 00:16:36.439 Well, I, I had written a couple of the songs, but when I moved to Nashville 00:16:36.440 --> 00:16:39.550 in, uh, 2022, that's when I, I wrote it. 00:16:39.550 --> 00:16:40.839 I had about a month to write it. 00:16:40.880 --> 00:16:41.229 Uh-huh. 00:16:41.550 --> 00:16:45.650 And, uh, then recorded it in October with Dave Cobb in, in 00:16:45.650 --> 00:16:47.269 Savannah, Georgia at his new studio. 00:16:47.960 --> 00:16:51.580 Um, and I was, I had been signed to Elektra Records during the pandemic. 00:16:51.580 --> 00:16:55.919 Like such a weird thing to be, to be like, you're like, you work your whole 00:16:55.919 --> 00:16:59.259 life and then- Right … all of a sudden during, during like the complete 00:16:59.259 --> 00:17:04.570 and total shutdown of everything, I went and sang for, uh, the CEO of, 00:17:04.679 --> 00:17:07.219 of Warner in a parking garage in LA. 00:17:07.559 --> 00:17:07.819 Really? 00:17:07.819 --> 00:17:09.750 And I was like, "The ac- the acoustics are better in here." 00:17:10.089 --> 00:17:10.259 Ah. 00:17:10.280 --> 00:17:13.229 The manager that I had gotten, Bruce Flohr, he was like, "Hey, okay, I'm 00:17:13.230 --> 00:17:16.770 bringing you this thing." I didn't know that he didn't know he was gonna meet me. 00:17:17.259 --> 00:17:18.599 He didn't know he was gonna meet me. 00:17:18.949 --> 00:17:20.890 So I just came in and I was like, "Hey, let's sing. 00:17:20.899 -->

00:17:22.189 Let's do this in the parking garage. 00:17:22.189 --> 00:17:23.349 It's, it's just better. 00:17:23.349 --> 00:17:24.699 We can't, we're not allowed to go in the building. 00:17:24.699 --> 00:17:26.744 It's COVID." So I 00:17:26.744 --> 00:17:29.339 had- I bet people who know you just expected that that would happen. 00:17:29.509 --> 00:17:29.559 Yeah. 00:17:29.559 --> 00:17:29.960 It's like they're not surprised. 00:17:29.960 --> 00:17:31.650 I have a really weird story. 00:17:31.689 --> 00:17:33.070 Just like all sorts of things. 00:17:33.079 --> 00:17:34.439 You heard the, like the frequency- Yeah. 00:17:34.460 --> 00:17:35.370 I loved it … or whatever. 00:17:36.119 --> 00:17:37.479 Man, I don't know what the hell's going on. 00:17:37.500 --> 00:17:38.460 That's, uh, that's- Excuse my language 00:17:38.460 --> 00:17:39.040 … perfect. 00:17:39.320 --> 00:17:39.630 And you 00:17:39.630 --> 00:17:39.949 know what? 00:17:39.949 --> 00:17:40.349 That's perfect. 00:17:40.349 --> 00:17:40.890 You know it, right? 00:17:40.939 --> 00:17:41.140 Isn't that perfect? 00:17:41.140 --> 00:17:41.479 I don't know what's 00:17:41.629 --> 00:17:41.819 going 00:17:41.820 --> 00:17:42.000 on. 00:17:42.009 --> 00:17:42.229 Yeah. 00:17:42.309 --> 00:17:42.609 Yeah. 00:17:42.610 --> 00:17:44.749 It just is what it is, and I can't help but laugh. 00:17:44.759 --> 00:17:45.559 Well, that- If I don't laugh, I'm gonna 00:17:45.739 --> 00:17:46.406 cry all the time 00:17:46.406 --> 00:17:47.449 I mean, just, can, let me jump in here. 00:17:47.449 --> 00:17:50.659 But I, the, the whole, um, hero's journey, I, when I- Mm-hmm … was 00:17:50.659 --> 00:17:53.959 thinking about your record, m- I was thinking of Joseph Campbell, right? 00:17:53.959 --> 00:17:56.789 I mean, isn't the- Yeah … Wizard of Oz sort of the, the metaphor- Mm-hmm … for 00:17:57.149 --> 00:17:57.379 the hero's 00:17:57.379 --> 00:17:57.529 journey? 00:17:57.529 --> 00:17:57.619 It is. 00:17:57.619 --> 00:17:57.990 It's a big 00:17:57.990 --> 00:17:58.449 metaphor. 00:17:58.449 --> 00:17:58.519 Yeah. 00:17:58.519 --> 00:17:58.879 Yeah. 00:17:58.930 --> 00:18:00.860 I didn't even know that Wicked was a thing. 00:18:01.329 --> 00:18:01.419 Yeah. 00:18:01.419 --> 00:18:01.649 Right. 00:18:02.089 --> 00:18:06.680 Imagine my surprise when- Yeah … the following year, like Wicked the movie 00:18:06.680 --> 00:18:09.649 is coming out, and I'm like, "Oh, it is about a narcissist." Yeah. 00:18:09.649 --> 00:18:10.119 Right. 00:18:10.250 --> 00:18:11.179 That's incredible. 00:18:11.179 --> 00:18:11.950 I didn't realize. 00:18:12.159 --> 00:18:12.769 This is great. 00:18:12.780 --> 00:18:15.629 This is like, uh, incredible content, although I wish I wouldn't 00:18:15.629 --> 00:18:18.209 have put so much work in it 'cause somebody already did it. 00:18:18.210 --> 00:18:18.730 Well, it, 00:18:18.730 --> 00:18:18.837 you 00:18:18.837 --> 00:18:18.945 know-

00:18:18.945 --> 00:18:19.290 Oh, well, you 00:18:19.290 --> 00:18:19.520 know 00:18:19.550 --> 00:18:19.770 what? 00:18:19.800 --> 00:18:20.530 We're all- That's- … it's, we're 00:18:20.530 --> 00:18:20.990 all one 00:18:20.990 --> 00:18:21.289 here … it's been- We're 00:18:21.289 --> 00:18:22.649 all connected It, it's very connected. 00:18:22.650 --> 00:18:23.810 It's very, it's human. 00:18:23.810 --> 00:18:24.259 It's human. 00:18:24.260 --> 00:18:25.460 It's the human- Yeah … experience. 00:18:25.820 --> 00:18:28.389 We can only use the things that we know and can learn. 00:18:28.779 --> 00:18:31.629 And, um, like I said, everything plays out for me like a movie, 00:18:31.629 --> 00:18:33.591 so- Always, always Yeah. 00:18:33.591 --> 00:18:34.671 Lost in a dream Right. 00:18:34.671 --> 00:18:37.232 And- Start to finish, the songs are even sister songs. 00:18:37.232 --> 00:18:38.942 You know, if you listen to the beginning and the end- 00:18:38.982 --> 00:18:39.252 Yeah 00:18:39.522 --> 00:18:42.471 … plays like a score a little bit if you, if you pay close attention. 00:18:42.512 --> 00:18:45.221 I would say your music is cinematic itself. 00:18:45.271 --> 00:18:47.232 It- I mean, you are, and I think the music is, too. 00:18:47.851 --> 00:18:47.881 The 00:18:47.881 --> 00:18:48.411 drama. 00:18:48.611 --> 00:18:49.551 The drama of it all. 00:18:49.591 --> 00:18:50.171 The drama 00:18:50.171 --> 00:18:50.201 of it all. 00:18:50.201 --> 00:18:52.371 And the drama is just every day. 00:18:52.441 --> 00:18:54.121 I mean- Every That's right. 00:18:54.121 --> 00:18:54.661 Is there something- Well, 00:18:54.661 --> 00:18:54.721 I 00:18:54.722 --> 00:18:56.387 was just crying in the green room a few minutes ago. 00:18:56.387 --> 00:18:56.486 Yeah. 00:18:56.486 --> 00:18:56.584 Right. 00:18:56.584 --> 00:18:56.782 Yeah, so. 00:18:56.782 --> 00:18:56.901 Oh. 00:18:57.341 --> 00:19:01.171 So y- I wanna bring in, so this is our producer, and she has- Hi … her 00:19:01.171 --> 00:19:02.631 own radio show called Down to Folk. 00:19:03.011 --> 00:19:03.031 Yeah. 00:19:03.042 --> 00:19:04.851 But, but w- and, and you know- Oh, she's coming in. 00:19:04.851 --> 00:19:06.661 She's coming in hot … I was sh- you didn't hear 'cause you 00:19:06.662 --> 00:19:07.311 didn't have the headphones. 00:19:07.311 --> 00:19:08.141 I don't either, but- 00:19:08.151 --> 00:19:08.691 No repeating 00:19:08.691 --> 00:19:10.192 questions … but I also wanted to bring her- I didn't either … because 00:19:10.201 --> 00:19:13.941 we were just talking about this late last night, like at 2:00 in the 00:19:13.941 --> 00:19:17.681 morning, about, about relationships and putting the wrong person. 00:19:17.681 --> 00:19:18.551 And I said, "You know what? 00:19:18.681 --> 00:19:22.341 You're g-" I said, "Just, just, you know, just take all these lessons and 00:19:22.341 --> 00:19:26.848 learn and then so that you're actually prepared when you do meet somebody that's 00:19:26.848 --> 00:19:27.762 right." Somebody that's worth- Right? 00:19:27.762 --> 00:19:29.331 Because you go through all of this, and then- Worth 00:19:29.482 --> 00:19:30.292 the hero's journey 00:19:30.552 --> 00:19:32.791 for … and then you can open up to the right person instead 00:19:32.791 --> 00:19:33.647 of putting people on pedestals. 00:19:33.647 --> 00:19:33.799 Sorry. 00:19:33.799 --> 00:19:33.950 Yeah. 00:19:33.950 --> 00:19:36.101 Anyway, but I wanted to introduce… We can talk about that later, but- 00:19:36.101 --> 00:19:40.141 Well, girl, I mean, you know, nobody wants to hear about a goddang heartbreak- … at 00:19:40.141 --> 00:19:42.971 a festival, but I just, that's what I do. 00:19:43.482 --> 00:19:47.241 I'm not here to, you know, I can jam all day if I want to, but- 00:19:47.312 --> 00:19:47.562 Yeah 00:19:47.621 --> 00:19:49.502 … I wanna make people feel stuff, right? 00:19:49.671 --> 00:19:49.691 Yeah. 00:19:49.791 --> 00:19:50.661 That is my job. 00:19:50.802 --> 00:19:50.982 Yeah. 00:19:51.031 --> 00:19:53.361 It has been my job since I was young. 00:19:53.471 --> 00:19:54.971 Eight years old is when I started- 00:19:55.281 --> 00:19:55.611 Yeah 00:19:55.741 --> 00:20:00.671 … professionally singing in front of people, and I've never, I've never been a party, 00:20:00.681 --> 00:20:03.501 dance, you know, kinda music thing. 00:20:03.501 --> 00:20:04.601 It's just like not what I do. 00:20:04.891 --> 00:20:05.181 Right. 00:20:05.291 --> 00:20:09.491 So I think my, my job is to, like, open people up to feel all the stuff, and 00:20:09.491 --> 00:20:11.871 then everybody else can kinda sing. 00:20:11.881 --> 00:20:12.041 And 00:20:12.041 --> 00:20:13.551 you're at the Troubadour tonight, right? 00:20:14.261 --> 00:20:14.931 Allegedly. 00:20:14.931 --> 00:20:15.301 Right? 00:20:15.302 --> 00:20:15.722 Allegedly. 00:20:15.781 --> 00:20:16.492 With Steve Poels. 00:20:16.492 --> 00:20:16.781 Oh, so excited. 00:20:16.781 --> 00:20:17.502 Oh, yeah. 00:20:17.511 --> 00:20:18.091 How's that man? 00:20:18.162 --> 00:20:19.261 Like, he's, he's just 00:20:19.261 --> 00:20:19.791 like- We love Steve. 00:20:19.802 --> 00:20:20.961 He's, uh, we had him on. 00:20:20.971 --> 00:20:23.692 His, he- I, I could, I would love to just sit and listen to the 00:20:23.692 --> 00:20:25.901 two of you talk- … for an hour. 00:20:25.912 --> 00:20:27.181 We've actually done it before. 00:20:27.181 --> 00:20:27.631 It's funny. 00:20:27.631 --> 00:20:31.181 We've been on, we've been on a, on a riff together at Mooncrush 00:20:31.201 --> 00:20:33.031 down in, uh, Miramar Beach. 00:20:33.641 --> 00:20:37.421 Uh, that was a really fun festival, but yeah, hopefully we can… Hopefully he'll, 00:20:37.441 --> 00:20:39.121 he'll rejuvenate my spirit right now. 00:20:39.121 --> 00:20:39.371 Oh, yeah. 00:20:39.371 --> 00:20:39.812 Oh, he will. 00:20:39.812 --> 00:20:39.831 He

00:20:39.831 --> 00:20:40.422 has a way of doing 00:20:40.422 --> 00:20:40.492 that. 00:20:40.492 --> 00:20:41.301 I know, he does. 00:20:41.301 --> 00:20:42.072 And- And he's everywhere. 00:20:42.072 --> 00:20:42.643 How does he- How is Juliana doing now? 00:20:42.643 --> 00:20:43.681 Where does, how does he travel? 00:20:43.712 --> 00:20:43.922 Jetpack? 00:20:43.922 --> 00:20:44.312 I don't know. 00:20:44.312 --> 00:20:44.572 He's all 00:20:44.572 --> 00:20:44.702 right. 00:20:44.702 --> 00:20:44.962 All right. 00:20:44.962 --> 00:20:45.481 I'll check it out. 00:20:45.481 --> 00:20:47.501 So we, we've interviewed him at Sweetwater- 00:20:47.581 --> 00:20:48.841 Yeah … about Mother's, so go- 00:20:48.841 --> 00:20:49.601 He's magical. 00:20:49.611 --> 00:20:50.631 He's just, he's just around. 00:20:50.751 --> 00:20:52.172 He needs to be wherever he is. 00:20:52.191 --> 00:20:52.211 Yeah, 00:20:52.221 --> 00:20:53.552 he needs to be to be more of that. 00:20:53.552 --> 00:20:53.671 That's it. 00:20:53.731 --> 00:20:54.221 Hi. 00:20:54.221 --> 00:20:54.401 Hi. 00:20:54.401 --> 00:20:54.821 Okay. 00:20:54.831 --> 00:20:58.521 Juliana's… And, and so is this gonna be more ther- because I put my earphones 00:20:58.522 --> 00:21:01.171 in, my earbuds in last night when you guys were having these conversations. 00:21:01.311 --> 00:21:02.371 Are you guys hearing them drums? 00:21:03.091 --> 00:21:03.201 Are 00:21:03.321 --> 00:21:04.631 you guys hearing that soundcheck? 00:21:04.641 --> 00:21:04.902 Ah, there it is. 00:21:04.912 --> 00:21:06.481 Everybody's working really hard around here. 00:21:06.481 --> 00:21:07.212 Everybody's working here, man. 00:21:07.221 --> 00:21:07.241 Yeah. 00:21:07.641 --> 00:21:11.311 If you're stretched out and having a, having a bloody Mary right now, I 00:21:11.311 --> 00:21:12.772 just want you to send a little cheers. 00:21:12.772 --> 00:21:13.882 Raise your glass right now. 00:21:13.931 --> 00:21:14.575 Raise your glass to us. 00:21:14.575 --> 00:21:14.850 Raise your glass. 00:21:14.850 --> 00:21:16.721 And we're doing this interview sideways, by the way- That's 00:21:16.721 --> 00:21:16.741 right … metaphorically. 00:21:17.351 --> 00:21:17.791 Laterally. 00:21:17.791 --> 00:21:18.551 We're gonna say laterally. 00:21:18.551 --> 00:21:19.531 Thank you. 00:21:19.531 --> 00:21:19.891 Yeah. 00:21:20.261 --> 00:21:24.071 Juliana, welcome to, uh, the host-ess seat. 00:21:24.162 --> 00:21:24.871 Thank you. 00:21:24.891 --> 00:21:25.891 Happy to be here. 00:21:25.912 --> 00:21:26.042 Yeah. 00:21:26.042 --> 00:21:26.221 Yes. 00:21:26.462 --> 00:21:26.482 Hi. 00:21:27.141 --> 00:21:27.541 Okay. 00:21:27.561 --> 00:21:28.202 Talk to her. 00:21:28.341 --> 00:21:29.052 Talk to us. 00:21:29.362 --> 00:21:29.972 So 00:21:31.374 --> 00:21:31.854 Boom 00:21:31.904 --> 00:21:33.154 Here's what… First of all- Build up. 00:21:33.764 --> 00:21:34.174 Go. 00:21:34.184 --> 00:21:36.624

Well, my radio show is called Down to Folk. 00:21:36.854 --> 00:21:36.874 Mm-hmm. 00:21:36.884 --> 00:21:40.953 And so I love that you said that you take inspiration from 00:21:40.954 --> 00:21:42.204 everywhere and it's everything. 00:21:42.214 --> 00:21:42.234 Yeah. 00:21:42.244 --> 00:21:42.913 So I love that. 00:21:42.944 --> 00:21:48.744 When you're writing such personal material, and you wear your heart on 00:21:48.744 --> 00:21:54.114 your sleeve, and you're so open, how do you d- how do you, like, protect 00:21:54.114 --> 00:21:56.293 your heart and protect yourself? 00:21:57.653 --> 00:21:59.103 That's a very good question. 00:21:59.993 --> 00:22:04.734 That's funny because I, um, I'm still learning how to do 00:22:04.734 --> 00:22:07.153 that after all these years. 00:22:07.563 --> 00:22:08.984 I'm, I'm now 39. 00:22:08.984 --> 00:22:09.894 I'm not ashamed of it. 00:22:10.144 --> 00:22:13.803 I've been, like I said, performing since I was eight years old, and it's always 00:22:13.804 --> 00:22:15.534 felt like a lightning rod, you know? 00:22:15.534 --> 00:22:18.553 Like, I feel like sometimes it's a, another thing that takes over 00:22:18.554 --> 00:22:20.703 and not in a corny way, you know? 00:22:20.703 --> 00:22:26.434 It's not like, "Oh, the Lord is taking, taking over." But, but, like, what 00:22:26.434 --> 00:22:28.494 we're doing here is, is really… 00:22:29.784 --> 00:22:30.964 It's my pilot light. 00:22:31.793 --> 00:22:39.963 Like, everything I do is, is for this, for this reason, to get up there and 00:22:39.963 --> 00:22:45.473 even just make connections with a few people in the front, um, that need that. 00:22:45.524 --> 00:22:50.473 I don't know still how to, like, protect myself entirely from, from, like, all 00:22:50.473 --> 00:22:55.573 the energy that comes at me and, and, uh… I think it's gotten easier over 00:22:55.573 --> 00:22:59.173 the years just accepting that this is what my job is, and this is also… 00:22:59.783 --> 00:23:01.213 You know, it's good for the world. 00:23:01.213 --> 00:23:02.864 It's good, it's good for my heart. 00:23:02.893 --> 00:23:04.303 It's good for, for my spirit. 00:23:04.304 --> 00:23:09.723 So if anybody has tips, I'll take some, but for now I just kind of breathe through 00:23:09.723 --> 00:23:12.054 it and surround myself with good people. 00:23:13.454 --> 00:23:14.174 Yeah 00:23:14.174 --> 00:23:15.694 Yeah, and you're, and you're not- This is a beautiful answer … you're 00:23:15.694 --> 00:23:17.234 not afraid of the vulnerability 00:23:17.313 --> 00:23:18.764 Well, you went right into the deep cuts, girl. 00:23:18.774 --> 00:23:19.624 Yeah, she goes right in. 00:23:19.654 --> 00:23:20.182 I thought you were gonna 00:23:20.182 --> 00:23:21.464 give us- Yeah, well I was gonna go… Well, okay. 00:23:21.464 --> 00:23:23.323 We can- Oh, just ask you the hardest thing ever. 00:23:23.343 --> 00:23:26.443 In fact, what, like perhaps if I was on a psychedelic trip, that's 00:23:26.443 --> 00:23:28.154 exactly- I'm so sorry … what I'd be asking myself right now. 00:23:28.673 --> 00:23:29.333 I love that. 00:23:29.774 --> 00:23:30.844 Give me the real questions. 00:23:31.003 --> 00:23:31.123 Yeah. 00:23:31.204 --> 00:23:31.933 Let's go. 00:23:31.993 --> 00:23:32.393 Yeah. 00:23:32.474 --> 00:23:33.843 Well, we can lighten up again- No, 00:23:33.843 --> 00:23:34.113 don't. 00:23:34.113 --> 00:23:34.123 Please. 00:23:34.123 --> 00:23:34.163 We can lighten- Don't. 00:23:34.163 --> 00:23:35.073 No, no. 00:23:35.083 --> 00:23:36.083 Go, go in. 00:23:36.083 --> 00:23:36.603 Go deep. 00:23:36.614 --> 00:23:37.354 Let's go. 00:23:37.893 --> 00:23:38.173 Come on. 00:23:38.173 --> 00:23:41.753 Well, is, is privacy something that's important to you? 00:23:41.893 --> 00:23:47.633 Or, or just kind of like, you know, do you, do you hold back just maybe a little 00:23:47.634 --> 00:23:50.403 bit of yourself just, just to keep that? 00:23:51.753 --> 00:23:53.063 I don't know if I do. 00:23:53.103 --> 00:24:00.570 And I think that's what makes your art and your live performances so real and so you. 00:24:00.570 --> 00:24:00.583 We're 00:24:00.583 --> 00:24:02.153 kind of on this thing together. 00:24:02.173 --> 00:24:04.223 We're kind of on this thing together, and I'm like gonna 00:24:04.233 --> 00:24:07.363 give it 100% every single time. 00:24:07.364 --> 00:24:11.593 And it sounds like a… I always laugh when I watch sports, 'cause they're 00:24:11.593 --> 00:24:12.594 like, "How'd you get out there?" 00:24:12.594 --> 00:24:15.174 And just like when they, "Well, you know, sometimes you just gotta get out there 00:24:15.174 --> 00:24:17.924 and you just, you know, you gotta get the team together, and you gotta win the 00:24:17.933 --> 00:24:19.533 game, and you gotta give 100%." Yeah. 00:24:19.533 --> 00:24:21.243 "Just gotta give 1000%." Yeah. 00:24:21.244 --> 00:24:24.153 I'm like, I'm dead freaking serious right now. 00:24:24.153 --> 00:24:25.453 Well, the- It's a- It really feels like that. 00:24:25.473 --> 00:24:28.853 We're just like, we have to lock in, and we have to do the thing, 00:24:28.854 --> 00:24:32.373 and I give everything as if it's gonna be my last, my last time. 00:24:32.863 --> 00:24:36.413 Even if I'm suffering, which I am a little bit right now from a cold, but- Yeah. 00:24:37.503 --> 00:24:38.394 I'm so sorry. 00:24:38.424 --> 00:24:38.753 It's okay. 00:24:38.753 --> 00:24:39.543 After all, I've- Thank you. 00:24:39.613 --> 00:24:39.968 Well, you 00:24:39.968 --> 00:24:42.253 told- I don't like, I don't like to lie about where I'm at. 00:24:42.263 --> 00:24:43.534 Well, you told us how you're- I just like to tell people human- … you're, 00:24:43.833 --> 00:24:47.373 you were preparing for your, your, uh, tour and what the things that were left 00:24:47.373 --> 00:24:49.123 out that- Ugh … probably the problem. 00:24:49.123 --> 00:24:51.274

Did you wanna talk about that, or is that too- I don't. 00:24:52.234 --> 00:24:53.083 Okay, never mind. 00:24:53.083 --> 00:24:54.934 So you have- No, there's certain, there's certain regimen- 00:24:55.063 --> 00:24:56.173 you know, that I usually do. 00:24:56.174 --> 00:25:00.704 Like, if the tried and true, like ginseng, B12, this, this, this, 00:25:00.704 --> 00:25:03.413 and this don't work, usually a cigarette and a whiskey will. 00:25:03.424 --> 00:25:05.614 And I haven't done that this week, so maybe that's why my 00:25:05.614 --> 00:25:06.673 voice is still struggling. 00:25:06.674 --> 00:25:06.883 That's a 00:25:06.884 --> 00:25:07.084 good 00:25:07.084 --> 00:25:07.163 segue. 00:25:07.163 --> 00:25:08.273 Hey, I have a question. 00:25:08.283 --> 00:25:08.723 Okay. 00:25:08.723 --> 00:25:09.313 To each their own. 00:25:09.613 --> 00:25:14.053 I think to circle back, um, to, I guess, you know, you take 00:25:14.053 --> 00:25:15.513 inspiration from so many places. 00:25:15.513 --> 00:25:17.954 I w- I was gonna get at this, and then I wanted to ask the heavy 00:25:17.954 --> 00:25:19.523 hitter- Mm. … before I forgot. 00:25:19.524 --> 00:25:19.933 Do it. 00:25:20.003 --> 00:25:21.424 We have a butterfly in here. 00:25:21.674 --> 00:25:22.403 Maybe it's a moth. 00:25:22.864 --> 00:25:23.084 Sorry. 00:25:23.084 --> 00:25:23.293 There you go. 00:25:23.293 --> 00:25:23.463 Let's 00:25:23.463 --> 00:25:23.603 go 00:25:23.743 --> 00:25:23.863 with butterfly. 00:25:23.863 --> 00:25:24.073 I've been 00:25:24.113 --> 00:25:26.773 having like a weird moth attraction this last few weeks. 00:25:27.853 --> 00:25:28.013 What? 00:25:28.013 --> 00:25:29.053 Very, very interesting. 00:25:29.413 --> 00:25:29.763 Okay. 00:25:29.784 --> 00:25:31.404 We'll examine that as well later. 00:25:31.413 --> 00:25:36.846 So when you're gathering inspiration from so many different places- How do 00:25:36.846 --> 00:25:41.656 you take that inspiration and turn it into something so uniquely your own? 00:25:41.666 --> 00:25:46.386 Because you are… When, when you, when, when I see you perform, y- it's 00:25:46.415 --> 00:25:51.776 undeniably you, and it g- it's not, it doesn't look or seem like you're, 00:25:52.796 --> 00:25:54.846 you know, just taking element… 00:25:54.876 --> 00:25:58.705 Well, I'm sure it's- Or struggling to … taking elements, but do you 00:25:58.706 --> 00:26:00.055 kind of have a process for that? 00:26:00.055 --> 00:26:03.736 Or does it just- No … come naturally where you take the elements and it- 00:26:03.946 --> 00:26:05.976 I think I don't, I don't think about it. 00:26:06.606 --> 00:26:09.096 I think I'm just kind of a part of it. 00:26:09.226 --> 00:26:11.575 And I hate to sound, like, too woo-woo right here, but, 00:26:11.575 --> 00:26:13.835 like, I think that's the key. 00:26:14.395 --> 00:26:17.935 'Cause, like, we put all of these processes, we put these regimens, we do 00:26:17.936 --> 00:26:22.605 all of this stuff to prepare ourselves, to, like, set up our perfect altar, set 00:26:22.605 --> 00:26:26.385 up our perfect space, and I've always been about a little bit of a mess. 00:26:27.476 --> 00:26:27.516 Right. 00:26:27.516 --> 00:26:28.856 Like, forever. 00:26:29.195 --> 00:26:30.105 I always have been. 00:26:30.105 --> 00:26:31.245 We're always a little late. 00:26:31.785 --> 00:26:35.025 Maybe we're not always in, in time with each other. 00:26:35.035 --> 00:26:39.065 We're not, we're not really, you know, always lined up. 00:26:39.075 --> 00:26:46.285 But when, when we agree that it's okay to just be exactly what you are and 00:26:46.285 --> 00:26:51.985 when you, when you're gonna be that, you kinda just get this little all of 00:26:51.985 --> 00:26:55.945 a sudden, and then you jump on stage and, and, and do the thing, you know? 00:26:55.945 --> 00:27:00.725 Or, or write the song or… I used to be terrified of my, of 00:27:00.725 --> 00:27:04.835 my power, of my, of my voice, of, like, "Oh, is this gonna relate? 00:27:04.835 --> 00:27:08.225 Should I sing song, fa- songs that are faster?" Like, "Oh, 00:27:08.225 --> 00:27:09.735 my gosh, that band was so good. 00:27:09.735 --> 00:27:13.386 They, like, jam and they do all this stuff." I know my job now. 00:27:14.706 --> 00:27:17.265 How long do you think it took for you to find yourself? 00:27:19.026 --> 00:27:19.676 Forever. 00:27:19.975 --> 00:27:20.475 Forever. 00:27:20.475 --> 00:27:20.735 It took 00:27:20.735 --> 00:27:20.865 forever. 00:27:20.865 --> 00:27:22.895 Was there ever a- It's still happening … was there a moment where 00:27:22.925 --> 00:27:23.795 you- There's still moments. 00:27:23.795 --> 00:27:24.045 Still 00:27:24.045 --> 00:27:24.415 happening. 00:27:24.415 --> 00:27:26.395 Where you felt like- There's still moments … this is, like, I know 00:27:26.405 --> 00:27:28.275 myself now- Well- … or I know, like- 00:27:29.206 --> 00:27:30.405 I had a struggle today. 00:27:30.405 --> 00:27:32.145 Like, my voice isn't all the way there. 00:27:32.145 --> 00:27:34.065 Like, the band was tired, you know? 00:27:34.325 --> 00:27:36.305 We got, we got four girls in the band. 00:27:36.305 --> 00:27:37.795 We're about to sync our cycles. 00:27:37.825 --> 00:27:42.975 Like, you just can't expect it to be perfect, and you have to accept… 00:27:43.045 --> 00:27:46.575 I mean, I think, I guess, I mean, I don't know if I can talk about 00:27:46.576 --> 00:27:49.145 this on… We didn't talk about what we're allowed to talk about. 00:27:49.145 --> 00:27:49.775 No, anything. 00:27:49.776 --> 00:27:50.295 What are you talking about? 00:27:50.296 --> 00:27:50.635 This is- 00:27:50.716 --> 00:27:52.836 Well, I mean, psychedelics- Unfiltered … helped me in a way, you 00:27:52.836 --> 00:27:56.386 know, and I, I got to, like, heal from some of my childhood fear of being, 00:27:56.395 --> 00:27:57.785 having, having this perfectionism.

00:27:58.945 --> 00:28:03.925 When I was a little girl, my mama said that life would be just beautiful. 00:28:09.025 --> 00:28:09.676 Having this perfectionism. 00:28:10.426 --> 00:28:13.426 I would only get love if I, if I was perfect, if I was this, 00:28:13.456 --> 00:28:14.886 if I was this, a long time. 00:28:15.716 --> 00:28:21.755 And, um, I got to like, you know, kick, kick out of that, like, perfectionism. 00:28:22.356 --> 00:28:26.446 Uh, see the people around me, see the, see the earth around me, you 00:28:26.446 --> 00:28:28.315 know, breathe with a damn tree. 00:28:28.345 --> 00:28:31.685 Like I'm hugging a tree and I'm feeling like, oh, I'm just this 00:28:31.725 --> 00:28:33.425 and I'm just you and I'm just that. 00:28:34.085 --> 00:28:37.175 It sounds, uh, it sounds so corny. 00:28:37.595 --> 00:28:38.295 It sounds corny. 00:28:38.295 --> 00:28:38.925 Maybe I'm jaded. 00:28:38.925 --> 00:28:40.595 Maybe it's time again that I go back in. 00:28:41.295 --> 00:28:44.985 But, um, you know, I think the only thing that we're not one with is the 00:28:44.985 --> 00:28:48.566 porta potties and like other than that we're like, we're pretty good. 00:28:48.566 --> 00:28:51.725 And, and if you just accept that you're just part of, part of the moving, 00:28:51.726 --> 00:28:54.866 breathing, living thing, that we're, that we're all working on together, 00:28:55.816 --> 00:29:00.115 um, while we've got it, then, then nothing is really truly a mistake. 00:29:00.116 --> 00:29:01.855 It's just movement. 00:29:02.305 --> 00:29:04.186 Movement to the next thing, to the growth. 00:29:04.945 --> 00:29:10.005 Um, and maybe that, that break in your voice or that break in your set 00:29:10.005 --> 00:29:14.576 where you're like, "Frick, I forgot the, I forgot the chords." I'm okay 00:29:14.576 --> 00:29:17.175 with that most of the time, you know? 00:29:17.185 --> 00:29:17.205 Yeah. 00:29:17.655 --> 00:29:20.766 And I, and I try to just let, let that be, be part of the thing. 00:29:21.125 --> 00:29:25.645 I think there's a saying that goes something like, uh, uh, "Great 00:29:25.715 --> 00:29:27.146 is the great enemy of good." 00:29:27.645 --> 00:29:28.075 Mm-hmm. 00:29:28.075 --> 00:29:32.655 Because we try to be great, and all that work you do to be great and perfect- 00:29:32.775 --> 00:29:32.985 Yeah 00:29:33.015 --> 00:29:35.405 … and if you were just good, you're good. 00:29:35.645 --> 00:29:35.905 Right? 00:29:35.905 --> 00:29:35.985 Mm-hmm. 00:29:35.985 --> 00:29:38.936 I mean, because there's just a lot of energy spent on 00:29:38.936 --> 00:29:40.705 that, un- unnecessary energy 00:29:40.795 --> 00:29:40.870 I think. 00:29:40.870 --> 00:29:41.135 Well, yeah. 00:29:41.155 --> 00:29:42.535 It's kind of like the Olive Garden though. 00:29:42.725 --> 00:29:44.256 When you're here, you're family. 00:29:44.515 --> 00:29:44.535 Yeah. 00:29:44.566 --> 00:29:47.376 I like to say, "When you're here, well, you're

here. 00:29:47.645 --> 00:29:48.345 So you might as well 00:29:48.365 --> 00:29:49.405 be here." You, you are here. 00:29:49.465 --> 00:29:49.695 Yeah. 00:29:49.695 --> 00:29:49.935 Right. 00:29:50.465 --> 00:29:50.535 Yeah. 00:29:50.575 --> 00:29:51.395 Endless salad and 00:29:51.395 --> 00:29:52.155 breadsticks 00:29:52.425 --> 00:29:52.955 and mistakes. 00:29:53.415 --> 00:29:53.605 Yeah. 00:29:53.625 --> 00:29:53.790 Well, yeah. 00:29:53.790 --> 00:29:57.825 No, uh, this is not the first time we've talked about LSD on 00:29:57.835 --> 00:29:59.235 this podcast, as you can imagine. 00:29:59.555 --> 00:29:59.785 Okay. 00:29:59.785 --> 00:30:00.055 I know. 00:30:00.055 --> 00:30:00.375 I was like, 00:30:00.375 --> 00:30:01.285 I didn't know the rules 00:30:01.295 --> 00:30:01.325 here. 00:30:01.335 --> 00:30:01.695 Yeah. 00:30:01.695 --> 00:30:01.895 No. 00:30:01.895 --> 00:30:04.856 These are, they're… Well, unfiltered as, as we say. 00:30:05.085 --> 00:30:05.865 Would you like a sip? 00:30:05.865 --> 00:30:07.365 Oh, I'm hitting my, the button. 00:30:07.715 --> 00:30:09.305 Um, good job. 00:30:09.545 --> 00:30:10.386 Good job, Juliana. 00:30:10.386 --> 00:30:10.895 Dig in, man. 00:30:11.525 --> 00:30:12.015 Dig in. 00:30:12.195 --> 00:30:13.595 She's – Sorry to get- Yeah. 00:30:13.595 --> 00:30:14.085 … right 00:30:14.085 --> 00:30:14.675 to it. 00:30:14.755 --> 00:30:15.755 Why apologize? 00:30:15.795 --> 00:30:16.265 I thought we just- 00:30:16.275 --> 00:30:16.525 Yeah 00:30:16.545 --> 00:30:17.135 … got over that. 00:30:17.245 --> 00:30:17.686 You know? 00:30:17.875 --> 00:30:18.175 Oh, 00:30:18.245 --> 00:30:18.435 true. 00:30:18.445 --> 00:30:18.465 Yeah. 00:30:18.465 --> 00:30:21.445 It looked like they were moving somebody's body rolled up in a carpet 00:30:21.445 --> 00:30:22.685 on the stage right there, by the way. 00:30:22.685 --> 00:30:23.276 Oh, yeah. 00:30:24.375 --> 00:30:25.646 Well, the emotional honesty, man. 00:30:25.646 --> 00:30:27.275 That's how I'd like to be actually brought in. 00:30:27.295 --> 00:30:29.196 I have been brought in on a gurney- Have you? 00:30:29.196 --> 00:30:29.956 … onstage before. 00:30:30.435 --> 00:30:31.256 Oh, I- Yeah. 00:30:31.256 --> 00:30:34.805 And I've also had an IV put in my arm onstage, and most recently in, 00:30:34.805 --> 00:30:39.495 uh, Seattle I got a tattoo done while I was onstage singing karaoke. 00:30:40.176 --> 00:30:40.726 Um- 00:30:40.935 --> 00:30:41.556 Can we see it? 00:30:41.605 --> 00:30:42.055 I guess not. 00:30:42.095 --> 00:30:42.805 I can't really. 00:30:42.825 --> 00:30:42.896 Let's not. 00:30:42.896 --> 00:30:42.916 No. 00:30:42.916 --> 00:30:44.335 I'm in a muumuu- She's… … everyone. 00:30:44.335 --> 00:30:46.566 I'm in a real psychedelic muumuu and it doesn't want me to come 00:30:46.566 --> 00:30:47.305 out of it, but- Well, that's 00:30:47.305 --> 00:30:47.705 okay. 00:30:48.006 --> 00:30:48.526 Um- 00:30:48.555 --> 00:30:51.266 Just show up how you wanna show up, and then, uh, the rest of 00:30:51.266 --> 00:30:52.525 the people gotta catch up to you. 00:30:52.536 --> 00:30:53.065 How about that? 00:30:53.525 --> 00:30:57.246 If that's your time onstage, you go and do what you gotta do to get it done. 00:30:57.605 --> 00:30:58.415 I think that's the way. 00:30:58.765 --> 00:31:02.205 I, I, I love all this, and I also love how you've described your music 00:31:02.206 --> 00:31:04.895 so differently, you know, where it comes from, and what's another 00:31:04.896 --> 00:31:08.126 ridiculous way to, uh, describe your music, if you couldn't use that? 00:31:10.344 --> 00:31:12.504 Given all that's behind you. 00:31:13.234 --> 00:31:15.194 I don't know if there is a better way to describe it- Yeah 00:31:15.264 --> 00:31:15.854 to be honest. 00:31:15.854 --> 00:31:17.083 I think it's just about 00:31:19.354 --> 00:31:23.864 how, how it feels to, to try and exist in a place that really was 00:31:23.864 --> 00:31:25.593 kind of built to work against you. 00:31:25.783 --> 00:31:26.053 Yeah. 00:31:26.654 --> 00:31:30.944 Um, and the radicalization of your vulnerability 00:31:32.974 --> 00:31:36.154 That's all I can really say is like it's, it's a radical act to go up 00:31:36.154 --> 00:31:42.974 there and, and mess up and, and try after that and keep trying and do this. 00:31:43.264 --> 00:31:43.543 You know 00:31:44.313 --> 00:31:44.404 what I'm saying? 00:31:44.404 --> 00:31:44.774 There it is. 00:31:44.774 --> 00:31:44.854 There it is. 00:31:44.854 --> 00:31:45.934 On cue, right? 00:31:47.093 --> 00:31:47.124 Yeah. 00:31:47.124 --> 00:31:51.434 George, I met, uh, George Porter's girlfriend, Denise, last night and, 00:31:51.434 --> 00:31:57.783 uh, as he was going on stage, she said to him, um… How we doing over there? 00:31:58.273 --> 00:31:58.644 All good? 00:32:01.043 --> 00:32:01.563 Oh, too loud. 00:32:01.803 --> 00:32:02.404 Don't, don't worry about me. 00:32:02.423 --> 00:32:02.583 Oh, 00:32:02.634 --> 00:32:02.783 yeah. 00:32:02.783 --> 00:32:03.614 Oh, I'm too loud. 00:32:03.763 --> 00:32:03.913 Sorry. 00:32:04.134 --> 00:32:04.914 No, you're actually- Yeah 00:32:05.163 --> 00:32:06.113 I'm giving us more. 00:32:06.213 --> 00:32:06.283 Yeah. 00:32:06.283 --> 00:32:08.155 Oh, because yes, give me a little more gain. 00:32:08.155 --> 00:32:11.694 But he said, she said to him, uh, "Good luck, George. Don't fuck 00:32:11.694 --> 00:32:14.224 up." And that… But you know what? 00:32:14.224 --> 00:32:15.443 I don't think you can fuck up. 00:32:16.003 --> 00:32:17.223 I think that's kinda your point. 00:32:17.343 --> 00:32:17.683 I mean- 00:32:17.823 --> 00:32:19.153 I think that's the point … you're, 00:32:19.153 --> 00:32:19.943 you're gonna fuck up. 00:32:20.003 --> 00:32:20.253 Yeah. 00:32:20.683 --> 00:32:21.933 It's all right to be a human. 00:32:21.943 --> 00:32:21.963 Yeah. 00:32:22.283 --> 00:32:23.403 It's all right to fuck up. 00:32:23.583 --> 00:32:23.843 Yeah. 00:32:23.843 --> 00:32:28.103 It's all right to show up a little bit with one, one eyelash stuck to your eye, 00:32:28.373 --> 00:32:30.843 you know- Yeah … if you're wearing the fake lashes, like you just gotta 00:32:31.733 --> 00:32:35.523 move through it and move through it together and, and, uh, know that in 00:32:35.523 --> 00:32:43.094 this land of, or rather like this future land of AI and tech and, and, um, I 00:32:43.094 --> 00:32:46.814 guess uncanny valley, like we're, we can look at each other and be in live 00:32:46.814 --> 00:32:51.193 music and, and accept and understand that we're gonna, we're gonna mess it 00:32:51.194 --> 00:32:52.463 up, but we're gonna mess it up together. 00:32:52.793 --> 00:32:52.813 Yeah. 00:32:52.813 --> 00:32:53.493 So let's just go. 00:32:53.793 --> 00:32:54.633 Let's do it together. 00:32:55.563 --> 00:32:56.523 Though we've been-