النص الكامل لحلقة Dietitians React: Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead (End of Summer Bonus Ep!)

00:02:12.240 I don't make it, I have a juicer, which I don't use as much anymore. 00:02:12.479 --> 00:02:18.080 I think I have a juicer like we all did, you know, 10, 15 years ago when the juicing craze got so big. 00:02:18.240 --> 00:02:21.039 But it is actually something that I really love and enjoy. 00:02:21.199 --> 00:02:30.159 Not, of course, as a meal replacement or a snack, but oh man, in the summer, if it's hot and I walk past like a bougie juice bar, oh, I love it. 00:02:30.479 --> 00:02:34.560 Oh, we have a shared favorite juice from our local juice place in Newburyport. 00:02:34.719 --> 00:02:36.159 What what goes into the lifeblood? 00:02:36.319 --> 00:02:36.719 Do you remember? 00:02:37.039 --> 00:02:40.240 Yes, it's uh it's beets, it's carrot, it's ginger. 00:02:40.319 --> 00:02:40.719 What else? 00:02:40.800 --> 00:02:41.439 What else is in there? 00:02:41.680 --> 00:02:43.280 That's all I remember, to be honest with you. 00:02:43.599 --> 00:02:44.560 Probably some lemon. 00:02:44.800 --> 00:02:45.199 Okay, yep. 00:02:45.439 --> 00:02:45.680 Carrot. 00:02:45.840 --> 00:02:46.000 Yep. 00:02:46.159 --> 00:02:46.479 But you know what? 00:02:46.800 --> 00:02:47.280 Yeah, we got it. 00:02:47.439 --> 00:02:52.240 Yeah, but I would say that beet and ginger together is one of my favorite combinations. 00:02:52.560 --> 00:02:53.520 Yeah, definitely. 00:02:53.680 --> 00:02:56.879 And if you have like$40, you can get like six ounces of it. 00:02:56.960 --> 00:02:57.599 So it's perfect. 00:02:58.080 --> 00:02:58.879 That's fantastic. 00:02:59.120 --> 00:03:05.039 So we are gonna watch this documentary, which I have not seen or really thought about for quite a long time. 00:03:05.199 --> 00:03:08.080 Tell me why you chose this for us to talk about today. 00:03:08.319 --> 00:03:23.199 I think this is one of the big nutrition documentaries of the last 20 years: Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead, the 2010 documentary about the Australian man Joe Cross, who drives across America basically juice fasting for 60 days. 00:03:23.360 --> 00:03:27.599 So you saw this in like 2010, 2011, like right after it came out? 00:03:27.840 --> 00:03:29.360 Yeah, because it was so big at the time. 00:03:29.439 --> 00:03:33.039 And so I, like probably many others, remember seeing it. 00:03:33.199 --> 00:03:34.879 I remember the general premise. 00:03:34.960 --> 00:03:44.719 I do remember him, you know, being an Australian who came to the US and then juice fasting, and then driving across the country and just kind of talking to people, talking about the benefits of juice fasting. 00:03:44.800 --> 00:03:50.080 So I don't remember it in detail, but I definitely remember the general vibe again, because like you said, it was so big. 00:03:50.400 --> 00:03:59.680 I remember hearing that the sale of Brevel brand juicers, which I think Joe uses in this documentary, like doubled or tripled after the release of this movie. 00:03:59.759 --> 00:04:01.280 Like this moved a lot of juicers. 00:04:01.520 --> 00:04:02.960 Yeah, that's the kind of juicer I have. 00:04:03.039 --> 00:04:04.400 I have the Brevel juicer. 00:04:04.560 --> 00:04:07.680 I mean, I think that was the one to buy 15 years ago. 00:04:08.000 --> 00:04:14.639 All right, so as we watch this, we'll hit pause, we'll give our reactions, our thoughts, we'll debunk any nonsense that comes our way. 00:04:14.879 --> 00:04:18.879 We will talk about the cultural impact of some of the scenes in this movie. 00:04:18.959 --> 00:04:20.639 And yeah, generally just have a good time. 00:04:20.879 --> 00:04:21.120 Awesome. 00:04:21.199 --> 00:04:22.079 Well, I cannot wait. 00:04:22.160 --> 00:04:23.839 Should we should we get into this thing? 00:04:24.000 --> 00:04:25.360 All right, let's do it. 00:04:41.920 --> 00:04:43.439 Metas change later. 00:04:44.399 --> 00:04:46.079 She made me nervous. 00:04:47.040 --> 00:04:50.399 She took me in and gave me breakfast. 00:04:51.120 --> 00:04:51.839 She's dead. 00:04:52.240 --> 00:04:54.720 Do you come from a land out there? 00:04:55.680 --> 00:04:56.720 Men at work cover. 00:04:56.800 --> 00:05:00.240 That was a that's a good way to start a documentary about an an Aussie in America. 00:05:00.480 --> 00:05:02.160 I will say I am a Colin Hay fan. 00:05:02.399 --> 00:05:02.959 Hell yeah. 00:05:03.120 --> 00:05:05.920 I just don't think I'll ever get over you makes me cry literally every time. 00:05:06.160 --> 00:05:06.480 Oh, yeah. 00:05:06.560 --> 00:05:06.639 Yeah. 00:05:07.040 --> 00:05:07.120 What? 00:05:07.279 --> 00:05:09.279 Yeah, but that's what the hell with that song, man. 00:05:09.519 --> 00:05:10.160 Yeah, I know. 00:05:10.319 --> 00:05:11.199 That is such a good song. 00:05:11.360 --> 00:05:14.560 That's such a good song, but I can't even listen to it because it makes me so sad. 00:05:14.800 --> 00:05:15.279 I know. 00:05:15.439 --> 00:05:16.959 Okay, should we actually watch this movie next? 00:05:17.120 --> 00:05:17.680 Yeah, let's do it. 00:05:17.759 --> 00:05:18.639 Let's do it. 00:05:25.360 --> 00:05:26.240 G'day. 00:05:26.560 --> 00:05:28.319 My name's Joe Cross. 00:05:28.560 --> 00:05:30.240 And I'm an Australian. 00:05:30.480 --> 00:05:32.560 In case you couldn't work that out from the accent. 00:05:34.240 --> 00:05:36.319 I've just arrived in the United States. 00:05:36.560 --> 00:05:38.160 I'm not gonna eat any of your food. 00:05:38.319 --> 00:05:41.759 I've come here to fast for 60 days. 00:05:41.920 --> 00:05:44.480 All I'm gonna do is drink juice, green juice. 00:05:44.639 --> 00:05:47.279 60 days, 60 nights. 00:05:49.920 --> 00:05:51.600 Why am I doing this? 00:05:52.000 --> 00:05:54.560 Well, let me show you. 00:05:58.480 --> 00:06:01.600 Take a good, hard look at my gut. 00:06:02.079 --> 00:06:09.199 How many pizzas, burgers, fries, and cokes do you reckon I inhaled to create that masterpiece? 00:06:09.920 --> 00:06:12.160 I'm certainly no pitcher of health. 00:06:12.319 --> 00:06:14.639 I look like I've

swallowed a sheep. 00:06:14.879 --> 00:06:17.839 Not only am I overweight, I'm also sick. 00:06:18.079 --> 00:06:23.839 For the past nine years, I've been taking pills night and day just to get by. 00:06:24.959 --> 00:06:28.879 But as of today, I'm saying enough is enough. 00:06:33.199 --> 00:06:37.360 Wow, I forgot that he ends up juice fasting for 60 days. 00:06:37.519 --> 00:06:38.560 That is such a long time. 00:06:38.720 --> 00:06:42.000 I remember he did a juice fast, but I did not remember it being that long. 00:06:42.160 --> 00:06:44.399 I, yeah, that that is just such a long time. 00:06:44.560 --> 00:06:49.199 I think I would last maybe five hours on juice fast without eating anything. 00:06:49.600 --> 00:06:50.800 Seriously, seriously. 00:06:50.879 --> 00:06:52.079 It is a long time. 00:06:52.240 --> 00:07:03.279 And obviously, you know, what what you're not seeing as you listen to this podcast is him walking on the side of the pool shirtless here, and you know, some some body negative language, if you will. 00:07:03.439 --> 00:07:05.600 But I uh it's raising a lot of questions for me. 00:07:05.680 --> 00:07:10.079 Like, what is his history with trying to, you know, take care of his sickness? 00:07:10.240 --> 00:07:11.199 What is his sickness? 00:07:11.680 --> 00:07:14.800 I forget what his ailment is, his titular sickness here. 00:07:15.199 --> 00:07:16.959 Has he done juice fasting before? 00:07:17.040 --> 00:07:19.279 I'm very curious what his history has been at this point. 00:07:19.600 --> 00:07:27.680 Well, me too, and it makes me wonder why choose something so extreme, because no food for 60 days is pretty much as extreme as it can get. 00:07:28.639 --> 00:07:29.759 I know what you're thinking. 00:07:30.240 --> 00:07:32.319 Can't you just eat the fruit and vegetables? 00:07:32.480 --> 00:07:33.279 Why juice? 00:07:33.680 --> 00:07:38.160 Well, have a look at just how many vegetables it takes to make one juice. 00:07:38.399 --> 00:07:44.160 I don't care how hungry I am, I don't think I could eat this four times a day. 00:07:44.399 --> 00:07:48.639 So, by juicing, I'm supercharging my nutrient intake. 00:07:48.720 --> 00:07:50.480 You know, that's that's a lot, isn't it? 00:07:51.040 --> 00:07:59.759 Yeah, this was such the big narrative around juicing, this idea of you're gonna supercharge your intake or you're gonna get all these nutrients. 00:07:59.839 --> 00:08:09.279 It's like green juice became the it superfood because there was this story about oh, you're able to get so many more nutrients than you would in any other way. 00:08:09.439 --> 00:08:10.160 I remember this. 00:08:10.480 --> 00:08:21.040 This was also a way you sell juicers on infomercials if you like bring out a giant, you know, like rack of vegetables and fruits and go like, you couldn't possibly eat all of these. 00:08:21.360 --> 00:08:22.800 You're gonna have to juice them, right? 00:08:22.879 --> 00:08:24.000 To to pack them all in. 00:08:24.079 --> 00:08:30.560 It's like the the framing of nutrition as just like a race to get in as many nutrients as possible. 00:08:30.720 --> 00:08:32.080 Uh, this was really popular. 00:08:32.159 --> 00:08:34.159 I'm glad this kind of faded a little bit. 00:08:34.240 --> 00:08:35.919 This is not really how we talk anymore. 00:08:36.159 --> 00:08:37.120 Yeah, no, same. 00:08:37.279 --> 00:08:42.799 And this is also the point where jaded Matt like cocks an eyebrow and goes, like, what's your angle here, Joe? 00:08:42.879 --> 00:08:44.159 Are you just moving juicers? 00:08:44.240 --> 00:08:46.080 I'm not really sure what I'm about to see. 00:08:46.240 --> 00:08:47.679 Yeah, seriously. 00:08:48.159 --> 00:08:51.279 I've tried this before, but never for this long. 00:08:51.440 --> 00:08:54.639 In the past, I've always gone back to my old ways. 00:08:54.879 --> 00:08:59.360 This time, once I'm done, I'm determined to adopt a healthy lifestyle. 00:08:59.519 --> 00:09:02.720 But first, I have to get through the next 60 days. 00:09:02.960 --> 00:09:04.639 So I have a plan. 00:09:04.799 --> 00:09:08.480 For the next 30, I'm gonna hang in and around New York. 00:09:08.639 --> 00:09:12.399 And after that, I'm gonna drive across the country. 00:09:17.440 --> 00:09:26.000 Yeah, this is so the epitome of you have to do something ultra extreme in order to kick off your health and wellness journey, right? 00:09:26.080 --> 00:09:31.440 Like it's not okay to just start making small changes that end up having cumulative benefits. 00:09:31.519 --> 00:09:37.759 It's like, no, you have to do no food for months, and and then you can begin your like health journey, so to speak. 00:09:38.000 --> 00:09:39.440 Yeah, super extreme. 00:09:39.519 --> 00:09:41.440 And he says, I've tried this before. 00:09:41.519 --> 00:09:43.039 So that kind of answers one of my questions. 00:09:43.120 --> 00:09:46.320 He's tried juice fasting before, but never for this long. 00:09:46.879 --> 00:09:53.519 You know, this is one of those things, too, where his goal is to do this and then maintain a quote unquote healthy lifestyle. 00:09:53.840 --> 00:10:05.440 You know, if you make a popular documentary where everyone knows you as the juice guy, it's actually easier probably to maintain that because every time you're in public, people go like, Hey, you're that Joe Cross guy. 00:10:05.519 --> 00:10:07.360 What are you doing having ice cream, right? 00:10:07.440 --> 00:10:12.080 Like you kind of like use fame to like pen yourself into your dietary habits. 00:10:12.399 --> 00:10:17.120 Or yeah, just put pressure onto yourself to have to maintain or uphold certain standards. 00:10:17.279 --> 00:10:20.720 I'm also wondering, too, why he chose to drive across the US. 00:10:20.799 --> 00:10:21.279 It's interesting. 00:10:21.360 --> 00:10:25.600 I'm just wondering why he didn't choose to just drive across Australia, but I'm sure we will find out. 00:10:26.159 --> 00:10:27.120 What are you doing here? 00:10:27.440

--> 00:10:30.240 Are we gonna hear the term standard American diet? 00:10:30.399 --> 00:10:32.639 Like how much of this is gonna be just shaming Americans? 00:10:33.120 --> 00:10:37.600 Well, how many times are we gonna hear the term obesity epidemic in the next, however, hour and a half? 00:10:37.919 --> 00:10:47.759 Yeah, this was in the sweet spot of like the aughts 2010s where you could just basically make like a fat stigma documentary that passes as a juice documentary. 00:10:48.000 --> 00:10:49.519 Yeah, I kind of hate it. 00:10:49.840 --> 00:10:53.039 I'm actually going across America, a bit of a tour around the States. 00:10:53.440 --> 00:10:56.639 I've got a thing called chronic urticaria, which is like a chronic rash. 00:10:56.799 --> 00:10:59.360 You go to what it's an illness, you know, like a disease. 00:10:59.519 --> 00:11:04.480 I put myself there by having a lot of junk food, eating a lot of crap, not eating vegetables, not eating fruits. 00:11:04.720 --> 00:11:09.120 But I believe what we put into our body is very important is to how healthy we're gonna be. 00:11:09.600 --> 00:11:10.559 I'm on a juice fast. 00:11:10.720 --> 00:11:11.679 You ever heard of fasting? 00:11:13.919 --> 00:11:16.639 Those people, those people he's talking to are so confused. 00:11:16.960 --> 00:11:18.399 They're like, why are you talking to me? 00:11:18.480 --> 00:11:19.519 What what is this camera? 00:11:19.840 --> 00:11:20.480 You have what? 00:11:20.639 --> 00:11:21.600 You have hives? 00:11:21.840 --> 00:11:22.159 Ah! 00:11:22.639 --> 00:11:32.720 Right, but it sounds like, okay, so it sounds like one of his major motivations is to try to improve his chronic condition that he's been navigating, which I think is very understandable. 00:11:32.879 --> 00:11:42.720 I think many individuals who navigate ongoing chronic conditions want to try to utilize any tool in the toolbox, including nutrition, to try to help alleviate symptoms. 00:11:42.960 --> 00:11:44.320 Yeah, it's just interesting though. 00:11:44.399 --> 00:11:45.519 So this is the sickness. 00:11:45.679 --> 00:11:49.039 Like I figured it was heart disease, but it's chronic hives. 00:11:49.279 --> 00:11:50.799 Like you have an autoimmune condition. 00:11:50.960 --> 00:11:51.440 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:11:51.759 --> 00:11:59.519 And so all the like body negative language we've already heard and are about to hear is like in the context of treating an autoimmune condition. 00:11:59.600 --> 00:12:00.799 It's just not what I expected. 00:12:01.120 --> 00:12:02.720 Yeah, no, same, same here. 00:12:03.120 --> 00:12:03.919 Hang on. 00:12:04.080 --> 00:12:07.840 When I scraped my knee as a kid, I didn't have to do anything. 00:12:08.000 --> 00:12:12.720 As long as I got out of the way, it just got better. 00:12:13.519 --> 00:12:19.039 If the body can heal itself on the outside, why can't it heal itself on the inside? 00:12:19.679 --> 00:12:21.919 So, what have I been doing wrong? 00:12:23.919 --> 00:12:27.679 Well, for starters, I had my priorities out of whack. 00:12:31.200 --> 00:12:37.440 I've been focusing on my wealth rather than my health. 00:12:44.480 --> 00:12:48.000 Oh my god, Matt, I forgot about these cartoons. 00:12:48.080 --> 00:12:54.720 It's like coming back to me now, but there are cartoons that are like dispersed through this entire documentary. 00:12:54.960 --> 00:13:07.200 Yeah, so this one is this little animation of Joe as it's like a little guy with a white t-shirt on with his belly hanging out the bottom, his face is covered in hives, and he's dragging around a slice of pizza and a soda. 00:13:07.600 --> 00:13:15.360 And then it shows his priorities being out of whack, and you know, it depicts this as like a like an obelisk rising into the sky. 00:13:15.600 --> 00:13:16.080 Is that the word? 00:13:16.159 --> 00:13:16.799 An obelisk? 00:13:17.200 --> 00:13:17.840 Yeah, yeah, that's right. 00:13:17.919 --> 00:13:18.320 That's right. 00:13:18.559 --> 00:13:30.559 And it shows the order of his priorities written on the side, and at the top, his priorities are work, partying, ice cream, women, beer, soda, email. 00:13:30.879 --> 00:13:33.039 Those are his top priorities. 00:13:33.519 --> 00:13:37.279 Oh, I like how women and email are right next to each other. 00:13:37.600 --> 00:13:41.120 Women over email, but women below ice. 00:13:41.519 --> 00:13:41.919 Ice cream. 00:13:42.000 --> 00:13:43.519 Ah, he's got his priorities straight. 00:13:43.759 --> 00:13:49.919 And then at the bottom, you go all the way down to the bottom, is you know, in descending order. 00:13:50.159 --> 00:13:53.840 Balance, health, exercise, fruits, and veggies. 00:13:54.159 --> 00:13:58.320 Can I just say that I'm starting to remember how much I dislike this documentary? 00:13:58.639 --> 00:13:59.360 Yeah, you can. 00:13:59.440 --> 00:14:00.080 Please tell me more. 00:14:00.320 --> 00:14:04.720 Oh, I just no, I mean, I just these cartoons, this cartoon is absolutely atrocious. 00:14:04.799 --> 00:14:07.519 And now I now I that I remembered, I know we're gonna see more. 00:14:07.600 --> 00:14:12.480 So I'm just anticipating more terrible animation of different health conditions. 00:14:12.799 --> 00:14:26.080 Yeah, and this is where I start to say, like, you know, confounder alert, confounder alert, because I I think, you know, you your sickness, so to speak, is this chronic autoimmune condition, which is is real and serious, certainly. 00:14:26.240 --> 00:14:31.360 But you know, nutrition isn't the only thing that goes into the management of an autoimmune condition. 00:14:31.519 --> 00:14:49.200 And so if you're saying that your priorities were work, partying, ice cream, beer, soda, and now your priorities are balance, health, exercise, fruits, and vegetables, then you've changed so much about your life, including like your stress levels and mindfulness practices and so many different things. 00:14:49.360 --> 00:14:58.159 So if this documentary

ends with like the answer is packing in as much vitamin C as you possibly can, then it isn't necessarily the nutrients. 00:14:58.240 --> 00:15:01.759 It's the fact that you've dramatically changed fundamental parts of your life. 00:15:01.840 --> 00:15:03.919 And and that is a potential confounder here. 00:15:04.000 --> 00:15:06.159 But you know, of course, I'm getting way ahead of us. 00:15:06.559 --> 00:15:17.279 Well, I think that's really important to call out because when you change a lot of variables at one time, it's hard to know how much each are contributing to resolution of symptoms, for example. 00:15:17.360 --> 00:15:18.799 So, yeah, important to call out. 00:15:18.960 --> 00:15:20.639 Good good confounding alert, Matt. 00:15:20.879 --> 00:15:21.600 Confounder alert. 00:15:24.320 --> 00:15:26.320 Well, it's the morning of day one. 00:15:26.720 --> 00:15:27.840 Time to visit Dr. 00:15:27.919 --> 00:15:31.679 Joel Furman, a leading expert in nutrition. 00:15:32.159 --> 00:15:33.840 Oh, Joel Furman's the guy? 00:15:34.000 --> 00:15:34.960 I forgot about that. 00:15:35.279 --> 00:15:36.480 This guy, this guy. 00:15:36.639 --> 00:15:37.759 He what was his book? 00:15:37.840 --> 00:15:38.399 He wrote a book. 00:15:38.480 --> 00:15:39.120 What was it called? 00:15:39.360 --> 00:15:41.840 Uh Eat to Live was the biggest. 00:15:42.000 --> 00:15:42.240 That's right. 00:15:42.399 --> 00:15:45.279 Yeah, and he sells supplements for sure, right? 00:15:45.440 --> 00:15:46.639 I'm not misremembering that. 00:15:46.960 --> 00:15:47.440 No, no, no. 00:15:47.519 --> 00:15:48.559 He's he's got his own brand. 00:15:48.799 --> 00:15:50.399 Joel Furman supplements. 00:15:50.639 --> 00:15:52.799 He's the nutrition guy. 00:15:53.039 --> 00:15:57.039 Like, he is the king of like pack in as many nutrients as you can. 00:15:57.600 --> 00:15:58.799 Okay, this guy. 00:15:59.039 --> 00:16:03.440 You don't have a common condition, but it's related to an autoimmune phenomenon. 00:16:03.600 --> 00:16:07.120 I've seen patients with this condition do pretty well and get even get rid of it. 00:16:07.360 --> 00:16:09.360 All right, Joe, come on over and step on the scale over here. 00:16:09.519 --> 00:16:10.720 All right, the moment of truth. 00:16:10.960 --> 00:16:11.360 Check it out. 00:16:11.519 --> 00:16:12.159 Here we go. 00:16:13.039 --> 00:16:13.360 Dr. 00:16:13.519 --> 00:16:15.759 Furman agreed to supervise my fast. 00:16:15.919 --> 00:16:18.879 As long as I got a blood test every ten days. 00:16:19.440 --> 00:16:24.080 Permanent results only come from permanent changes in lifestyle and diet style. 00:16:24.320 --> 00:16:26.879 You don't get permanently well unless you permanently change the way you live. 00:16:27.120 --> 00:16:28.240 Okay, let's see where your waist is. 00:16:28.480 --> 00:16:29.039 Here we go. 00:16:29.360 --> 00:16:30.720 The tapes long enough. 00:16:30.960 --> 00:16:35.600 The fasting period itself can be used as a time where you're gonna retrain your taste buds. 00:16:36.000 --> 00:16:41.840 So if it's uh something that really helps motivate you to stay with healthy eating thereafter, then it's done its job. 00:16:42.240 --> 00:16:44.799 Okay, so we're retraining our taste buds, Jen. 00:16:44.960 --> 00:16:46.399 That's that's the that's the idea here. 00:16:46.639 --> 00:16:47.519 You know what's so funny? 00:16:47.600 --> 00:16:52.639 I love that that's what you pulled out first because that's exactly what I was gonna say as well. 00:16:52.960 --> 00:16:54.080 I heard this before. 00:16:54.159 --> 00:17:00.720 I mean, Joel Furman's not the only one to say that if you change the way you eat, you'll eventually never crave certain foods. 00:17:01.279 --> 00:17:02.960 That is so ridiculous. 00:17:03.200 --> 00:17:05.200 I will never not like tiramisu. 00:17:05.599 --> 00:17:09.920 It does not matter what else I eat or what else I nourish my body with. 00:17:10.079 --> 00:17:18.400 This idea that you'll just not like or want or enjoy a whole subset of foods because you're eating it a certain way, to me, is so ridiculous. 00:17:18.799 --> 00:17:22.160 No, your tongue stops liking sweet and salty things. 00:17:22.400 --> 00:17:24.400 And when you eat ice cream, you're like repulsed. 00:17:25.039 --> 00:17:26.240 You're just like grossing. 00:17:27.440 --> 00:17:28.160 That's the worst. 00:17:28.720 --> 00:17:30.480 The first few days are the toughest. 00:17:30.720 --> 00:17:34.480 Not eating, it's kind of like you're cutting yourself off from society. 00:17:34.640 --> 00:17:38.480 When you're not eating food, it's just it just doesn't seem normal. 00:17:38.720 --> 00:17:41.920 I couldn't even watch TV because of all the commercials. 00:17:42.160 --> 00:17:46.559 You just don't want to be around people, and you don't want to be around food. 00:17:46.799 --> 00:17:48.559 I was happiest in bed. 00:17:49.200 --> 00:17:52.799 He actually sounds like sadness from the movie Inside Out. 00:17:52.880 --> 00:17:56.799 He sounds so down and so blue and so gloomy, and I get it. 00:17:56.880 --> 00:17:58.400 I mean, he's not eating food. 00:17:58.480 --> 00:18:00.480 That would make me very sad as well. 00:18:00.880 --> 00:18:02.559 He sounds like Phyllis from the office. 00:18:02.880 --> 00:18:03.359 Exactly. 00:18:03.440 --> 00:18:03.839 He does. 00:18:04.000 --> 00:18:04.480 He does. 00:18:04.799 --> 00:18:12.000 No, this is clearly the path to wellness, like socially isolating yourself in a starvation-induced depression in a dark apartment in New York City. 00:18:12.079 --> 00:18:13.039 You know, this sounds great. 00:18:13.200 --> 00:18:14.559 Yeah, yeah, good times. 00:18:16.559 --> 00:18:18.960 These are the pills I have to take. 00:18:19.279 --> 00:18:22.720 Um, this is a five milligram tablet of prednisone. 00:18:23.759 --> 00:18:25.680 That's 15 milligrams there. 00:18:25.920 --> 00:18:28.240 Before I started on the fast. 00:18:28.720 --> 00:18:31.759 That's how many I was having a day.

00:18:32.000 --> 00:18:38.960 Looking at these um at these uh bottles here, it doesn't look good, does it? 00:18:39.039 --> 00:18:46.720 I mean, you know, you shouldn't be, if you're a fit, healthy, young person, you shouldn't be traveling around with prescription drugs and and doing that. 00:18:46.799 --> 00:18:49.359 I mean, it's you just wouldn't have thought. 00:18:49.519 --> 00:18:51.359 I would never have thought that it'd be me. 00:18:51.839 --> 00:18:58.240 Let's let's respond to this, but he's got uh five, ten, eleven bottles of pills in front of him. 00:18:58.559 --> 00:19:01.759 They're all the same bottle, they're all prednisone. 00:19:01.920 --> 00:19:02.000 Yeah. 00:19:02.160 --> 00:19:06.160 But I feel like a lot of people watching this would go, wow, lots of bottles. 00:19:06.319 --> 00:19:08.160 He's taking a ton of different medications. 00:19:08.480 --> 00:19:09.920 Seems like he takes one medication. 00:19:10.319 --> 00:19:12.240 Yeah, that's what I'm getting from this too. 00:19:12.400 --> 00:19:21.839 And I don't think it's unreasonable to have the goal to want to like reduce the amount of medications you're taking, or maybe make changes that result in you not needing a medication. 00:19:22.000 --> 00:19:28.319 I'm not, I don't take issue with that, but it is interesting the visual that they're presenting right now with this camera shot. 00:19:28.720 --> 00:19:28.880 Yeah. 00:19:29.359 --> 00:19:35.519 He says something like if you're a fit, healthy person, you shouldn't be traveling around with prescription drugs. 00:19:35.920 --> 00:19:41.920 I mean, I guess what I would want to say about this is we shouldn't have this idea that healthy means zero medications. 00:19:42.160 --> 00:19:46.559 Like some people just need medication, and the fact that we have medications is a wonderful thing. 00:19:46.640 --> 00:19:49.039 I mean, think about a type one diabetic. 00:19:49.200 --> 00:19:51.119 Like they're alive because of insulin. 00:19:51.200 --> 00:19:53.839 Like, we need to be like celebrating medications. 00:19:54.000 --> 00:19:59.279 And you know, this could this could be a middle ground where he, you know, wants to attempt things to get off of uh steroids. 00:19:59.920 --> 00:20:08.880 Certainly, understandable, but that blanket statement I think is pretty like shaming people for like you can't be healthy if you have one or more medications you take. 00:20:09.200 --> 00:20:10.559 Yeah, I agree with you a hundred percent. 00:20:10.720 --> 00:20:17.440 I don't like the narrative that healthy means zero medications and unhealthy means you're taking medications. 00:20:17.599 --> 00:20:19.680 Like you said, Matt, and it's an excellent point. 00:20:19.920 --> 00:20:26.960 We can be very healthy in a variety of different ways and still utilize medications that are very, very beneficial and necessary. 00:20:27.119 --> 00:20:31.119 So to say it's one or the other is to me just again kind of exclusionary. 00:20:31.359 --> 00:20:31.599 Yeah. 00:20:31.680 --> 00:20:37.039 And the question we will never get an answer to is whatever happens in this documentary, does Joe still take prednisone? 00:20:37.279 --> 00:20:37.839 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:20:37.920 --> 00:20:39.680 Which again, it's like not good or bad, right? 00:20:39.759 --> 00:20:42.960 I mean, I don't think it's I think the problem is assigning a valuation to it. 00:20:43.039 --> 00:20:45.279 Like it's bad if he still needs the pregnisone. 00:20:45.359 --> 00:20:48.880 Like, no, if you have an autoimmune and pregnisone is helpful, like fantastic. 00:20:48.960 --> 00:20:53.440 I don't think that's a good or bad thing, but you're right, we'll it's a question we'll never know the answer to. 00:20:55.359 --> 00:20:56.880 Have you ever heard of fasting? 00:20:56.960 --> 00:20:57.279 Yeah. 00:20:57.519 --> 00:20:58.480 You ever fasting? 00:20:58.720 --> 00:21:01.279 Uh only when I got no money to eat, man. 00:21:03.759 --> 00:21:08.400 I think I sent off for just like uh 10 bucks or something, how little is 12 pounds in four days. 00:21:08.640 --> 00:21:12.720 Because this isn't um first day you eat nothing but something like nine friends. 00:21:12.960 --> 00:21:16.559 You drink all the liquid or diet soda, but nine hot dogs. 00:21:16.799 --> 00:21:17.920 You have nine hot dogs. 00:21:18.000 --> 00:21:18.960 Yeah, what first day. 00:21:19.359 --> 00:21:20.559 I would never be able to do that. 00:21:20.640 --> 00:21:21.440 I would never fast. 00:21:21.839 --> 00:21:22.160 What am I? 00:21:22.559 --> 00:21:23.680 I don't have enough health control. 00:21:24.240 --> 00:21:24.720 And you? 00:21:24.880 --> 00:21:26.480 It was just I don't like not eating. 00:21:26.559 --> 00:21:28.000 It doesn't seem healthy to me. 00:21:28.160 --> 00:21:31.519 I went four years one time eating the money on Monday women's in permanently. 00:21:31.680 --> 00:21:32.319 I'm a fan. 00:21:32.640 --> 00:21:35.119 I eat I eat fan, but you know, I'm a fan. 00:21:35.440 --> 00:21:36.240 You eat fabulous. 00:21:37.440 --> 00:21:38.640 I have no interest in it. 00:21:38.799 --> 00:21:39.680 I'm no interest in it. 00:21:39.759 --> 00:21:52.160 Every time I hear that someone's doing it, they're like sick of me and then they're grumpy, they hate their kids, and they hate their husband, and they hate the you know, it's just like they're pissed up, and then they reach some high, and then they lose eight pounds, and then they gain it all back in three weeks. 00:21:53.039 --> 00:21:54.480 Oh my gosh, I love this woman. 00:21:55.279 --> 00:21:59.759 This woman just explained the arc of fad diets in 15 seconds. 00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:00.720 That was amazing. 00:22:00.960 --> 00:22:02.720 I'm glad they included this in the documentary. 00:22:02.960 --> 00:22:18.240 Yeah, I am too, because I think it speaks to the fact that, you know, even 15 years ago, we were well aware of fad diets, and there are people who are, you know, understandably very suspicious

about any new diet fad that seems unrealistic or unsustainable. 00:22:18.400 --> 00:22:20.799 So I kind of like that they included all the responses. 00:22:21.119 --> 00:22:23.920 I also like the woman who was like, I have no interest in that. 00:22:24.079 --> 00:22:25.200 I like eating food. 00:22:25.359 --> 00:22:27.680 I'm like, yes, you you said what we're all thinking. 00:22:27.920 --> 00:22:39.680 It does seem like a lot of you know, the women that he interviewed were they've maybe been exposed to, on average, more diet culture and like weight pressure than the men who were just like, yeah, eat a bunch of hot dogs or whatever. 00:22:39.920 --> 00:22:43.519 But the women are like, stops, or do I don't want to hear about this. 00:22:43.839 --> 00:22:45.359 Please, please, I do not want to do this. 00:22:45.599 --> 00:22:48.400 Do not put me on camera and make me defend eating. 00:22:48.480 --> 00:22:51.039 But this is a bad situation for me. 00:22:53.359 --> 00:22:55.839 When I got out of high school, I was in good shape. 00:22:56.000 --> 00:22:58.240 I skipped college, went straight to work. 00:22:58.400 --> 00:23:03.279 I got a job with a brokerage firm and wound up on the trading floor of the Sydney Futures Exchange. 00:23:06.400 --> 00:23:08.880 After five years, I went into business for myself. 00:23:09.039 --> 00:23:14.160 And at age 23, I was making a truckload of money day trading futures and shares. 00:23:14.400 --> 00:23:20.960 Lots of cash meant fast cars, big boats, big nights out, and in my case, food. 00:23:21.119 --> 00:23:22.240 Lots of food. 00:23:22.400 --> 00:23:24.960 And boy, didn't I give it an adge. 00:23:25.200 --> 00:23:28.960 In the years I've known him, his weight fluctuated big time. 00:23:29.200 --> 00:23:31.519 Went up and down like a bride's nighty. 00:23:31.839 --> 00:23:32.640 Jesus. 00:23:32.799 --> 00:23:33.119 Okay. 00:23:33.440 --> 00:23:34.079 Jesus Christ. 00:23:34.400 --> 00:23:36.240 Up and down like a bride's nighty. 00:23:36.319 --> 00:23:36.640 Okay. 00:23:36.960 --> 00:23:37.759 Super classy. 00:23:37.839 --> 00:23:38.079 All right. 00:23:38.160 --> 00:23:45.279 So Joe's a finance bro, and he at 23 he was making truckloads of money trading futures and shares. 00:23:45.599 --> 00:23:48.000 So he sounds like he had a very stressful job. 00:23:48.160 --> 00:23:54.559 I mean, he's been part of what is considered a very stressful industry since the time he was like very young, right out of college. 00:23:54.799 --> 00:23:55.039 Right. 00:23:55.200 --> 00:24:01.359 This is like there's footage of him like yelling on the the floor, whatever they call the floor where you like yell about money numbers. 00:24:01.440 --> 00:24:01.519 Yeah. 00:24:02.400 --> 00:24:03.119 I don't know anything. 00:24:03.519 --> 00:24:03.839 The floor? 00:24:07.839 --> 00:24:09.599 We just go like six dollars. 00:24:09.839 --> 00:24:09.920 Right. 00:24:10.160 --> 00:24:10.880 A hundred dollars. 00:24:11.119 --> 00:24:12.319 Like,

what are they doing? 00:24:12.480 --> 00:24:14.319 I don't even know what they're doing. 00:24:14.640 --> 00:24:15.440 Oh, that's great. 00:24:15.519 --> 00:24:23.359 But yeah, no, he he's had a very, it sounds like he's had a very like high pressure, high profile, stressful career for the last what, 20 years or so. 00:24:23.759 --> 00:24:24.160 Exactly. 00:24:24.240 --> 00:24:31.759 And we learned he's had big weight fluctuations, and he kind of alluded earlier to the fact that he's had times where he's tried juice fasting in the past. 00:24:31.920 --> 00:24:43.200 So I'm getting the picture of like a kind of black and white, like either I go screw it and I'm you know on my boat eating like until I'm physically uncomfortable, or I'm juice fasting. 00:24:43.440 --> 00:24:43.839 Yeah. 00:24:44.720 --> 00:24:48.160 So juice fasting, you're still eating something. 00:24:48.799 --> 00:24:52.559 Okay, so we Stacy Kennedy is in the movie. 00:24:52.720 --> 00:24:53.519 Yeah, we know her. 00:24:53.759 --> 00:24:54.400 Yeah, we know her. 00:24:54.559 --> 00:25:01.039 So the senior clinical nutritionist, as it's written in her Chiron here, is somebody we've worked with in the past. 00:25:01.279 --> 00:25:06.799 Yes, I worked with her at Dana Farber for about four months when I was covering someone's maternity leave there. 00:25:06.880 --> 00:25:10.400 And you worked with her during your internship and then outside your internship? 00:25:10.640 --> 00:25:20.880 Yeah, I did some like uh, you know, other internship work uh throughout grad school at Dana Farber uh with the wonderful team there, and Stacy Kennedy was on the staff, and so yeah, we've spent a lot of time with Stacy. 00:25:21.119 --> 00:25:21.359 Yeah. 00:25:21.680 --> 00:25:26.000 Very nice person, but I will say if she says stuff I disagree with, I will be honest about it. 00:25:26.240 --> 00:25:31.200 Yeah, she is absolutely lovely, although we may disagree a little bit on the juice fast piece. 00:25:31.359 --> 00:25:32.000 Yes. 00:25:32.720 --> 00:25:39.680 You are drinking nutrients, particularly a lot of micronutrients that are coming from fruits and vegetables. 00:25:39.839 --> 00:25:43.119 And because it's a liquid, it's more rapidly absorbed. 00:25:43.279 --> 00:25:51.920 So it's a quick, easy way of giving your body a very potent source of healthy nutrients. 00:25:52.319 --> 00:26:11.839 Now try to think about the way we normally consider juice in our country, which is in a bottle in a grocery store, whether it says it has sugar added to it or not, it has been so processed that it's not at all like the fruit and vegetable juice coming out of a juicer that you're making at home. 00:26:13.039 --> 00:26:17.680 Okay, so she's kind of drawing this line between if you juice at home, it's a lot different than what you would buy at the store. 00:26:18.000 --> 00:26:18.880 What do you think about that? 00:26:19.279 --> 00:26:28.160 Yeah, I mean, I think in some cases that's true, but I would disagree in that, like, you know, I'll use orange juice that you can buy in the store, for example. 00:26:28.319 --> 00:26:33.839 You can buy orange juice and you'll still get vitamin C and potassium and antioxidants. 00:26:33.920 --> 00:26:37.119 These are all nutrients that are going to be beneficial. 00:26:37.279 --> 00:26:45.920 So I don't think it's that black and white, like store-bought juice, bad vegetable juice you're making at home, but the best and the kind of ultimate goal. 00:26:46.400 --> 00:26:51.119 I think there are many juices that you could buy from the grocery store that would have nutrients. 00:26:51.359 --> 00:26:55.839 I do agree with her that when you're juicing fruits and vegetables, you are getting a lot of nutrients. 00:26:55.920 --> 00:26:59.839 There's gonna be vitamins, there's gonna be minerals, antioxidants, those types of things. 00:26:59.920 --> 00:27:04.160 But again, I just don't think I would frame it as black and white as she just did in that clip. 00:27:04.400 --> 00:27:05.519 Yeah, totally agree. 00:27:07.039 --> 00:27:08.640 Day 31 today. 00:27:09.200 --> 00:27:10.240 Halfway. 00:27:10.799 --> 00:27:13.680 And uh time for change of scenery. 00:27:21.920 --> 00:27:24.160 All right, so Joe's road trip in officially. 00:27:24.480 --> 00:27:28.559 Yeah, and it showed on the screen that it's what, day 31? 00:27:29.039 --> 00:27:34.799 He's down to 7.5 milligrams of prednisone, and he's lost a pretty significant amount of weight. 00:27:34.880 --> 00:27:36.000 They show that on the screen as well. 00:27:36.480 --> 00:27:38.480 47 pounds in 31 days. 00:27:38.559 --> 00:27:39.680 That's that's really fast. 00:27:40.079 --> 00:27:44.799 Ooh, it is really fast, and I think that is the consequence of just not eating food for a month. 00:27:45.279 --> 00:27:56.079 Yeah, seriously, he's starving, and yes, his prednisone needs I mean, well, I should say he's taking less prednisone, but they're trying to do this thing where as his weight comes down, he needs less prednisone. 00:27:56.240 --> 00:28:02.559 And, you know, again, we'll never know the truth here, but it's it's very suspect to me that this is the way they're framing it. 00:28:02.799 --> 00:28:03.440 Yeah, agree. 00:28:04.480 --> 00:28:11.119 I found out that food can be divided into two camps micronutrient and macronutrient. 00:28:11.359 --> 00:28:16.960 Micronutrient foods are vegetables, fruits, nuts, seeds, and beans. 00:28:17.440 --> 00:28:20.319 Macronutrient food is everything else. 00:28:21.680 --> 00:28:22.640 Uh uh. 00:28:23.519 --> 00:28:23.920 Nope. 00:28:24.960 --> 00:28:25.759 No, sir. 00:28:25.920 --> 00:28:27.039 That's not how that works. 00:28:27.359 --> 00:28:30.000 I think you've been talking to Joel Furman too much, buddy. 00:28:30.480 --> 00:28:33.759 Yeah, foods have both alright, do we have to explain this to you Joe? 00:28:34.079 --> 00:28:37.039 Foods have both micro and macronutrients in them. 00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:47.359 Like, for

example, eggs have macronutrients like protein and fat, but they also have micronutrients like vitamin B12 and choline. 00:28:47.599 --> 00:28:48.559 They're both in there. 00:28:48.640 --> 00:28:56.640 So to say there's micronutrient foods and macronutrient foods is like a gross oversimplification that's beyond the point of being unhelpful. 00:28:56.880 --> 00:29:04.079 I like how he was just like, there are micronutrient foods like fruits, vegetables, and beans, and everything else is macronutrients. 00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:06.319 I'm like, no, incorrect, sir. 00:29:06.559 --> 00:29:10.480 Yeah, this is this is straight out of the Furman playbook for sure. 00:29:11.039 --> 00:29:12.720 So, what sort of food do you eat? 00:29:12.880 --> 00:29:14.960 Uh, I eat them more standing things. 00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:18.240 Pizza chicken, but tops, potatoes. 00:29:19.599 --> 00:29:21.599 You have KFC on one corner. 00:29:21.839 --> 00:29:23.359 You guys are looking for hot dog stand? 00:29:23.599 --> 00:29:23.920 Yeah. 00:29:24.079 --> 00:29:26.799 And then on that side of the street, there's a Burger King. 00:29:26.960 --> 00:29:28.480 You like Burger King? 00:29:29.279 --> 00:29:29.920 A lot. 00:29:30.160 --> 00:29:33.680 It's like it's five past ten past eleven in the morning. 00:29:33.920 --> 00:29:35.279 Why are we looking for hot dog stand? 00:29:35.440 --> 00:29:37.920 Is this how breakfast or is this how like snack between breakfast? 00:29:38.880 --> 00:29:40.559 Between breakfast and lunch. 00:29:41.039 --> 00:29:43.119 I eat no fruits and I eat no biscuits. 00:29:43.839 --> 00:29:48.319 Okay, so we're in the part of the documentary which is like, look how dumb Americans are. 00:29:48.559 --> 00:29:48.720 Yeah. 00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:51.039 Look how unhealthy everybody is. 00:29:51.200 --> 00:30:00.240 And it's just like, Joe, you said this was you 30 days ago, and now you're on your high horse, like basically shaming other people through your documentary. 00:30:00.319 --> 00:30:04.000 It's like this just feels like you're just dragging people. 00:30:04.400 --> 00:30:16.559 Well, also, this is the part of most nutrition documentaries that frustrate me because I just feel they're being very selective in the clips that they're showing, the people that they talk to. 00:30:16.720 --> 00:30:23.440 And then they put it together in this montage way where you're like, wow, no one in America ever eats a vegetable. 00:30:23.519 --> 00:30:28.079 And it's like, well, that is it that or did you just edit it in a way that implies that? 00:30:28.160 --> 00:30:28.880 You know what I'm saying? 00:30:29.279 --> 00:30:29.759 Oh, of course. 00:30:29.839 --> 00:30:35.200 He like interviews people and they're like, Oh, yeah, I just came from, you know, a place I had a salad, and and he's like, All right, get out of here. 00:30:35.279 --> 00:30:37.359 I gotta go find somebody who's like on a hot dog run. 00:30:37.519 --> 00:30:42.240 Like he he clearly is just including you know examples that are gonna like fit the narrative here. 00:30:42.480 --> 00:30:46.880 Okay, well, I would also say too that I think those those two women who are searching for a hot dog are in New York. 00:30:46.960 --> 00:30:49.599 And when I'm in New York, I also search out a good hot dog. 00:30:49.759 --> 00:30:51.519 So I would just put that in there as well. 00:30:51.759 --> 00:30:52.559 Definitely. 00:30:52.880 --> 00:30:57.359 Right now, the doctor said if I don't lose my weight, I'll probably have a heart attack back. 00:30:57.680 --> 00:30:57.920 Right. 00:30:58.000 --> 00:30:59.359 And when did you say by when? 00:30:59.839 --> 00:31:00.799 About five years. 00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:03.440 That's why I'm trying to stay alive because I got grandkids. 00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:05.279 Do you mind me asking how old you are? 00:31:05.440 --> 00:31:06.079 I'm 42. 00:31:06.319 --> 00:31:06.799 How old are you? 00:31:06.880 --> 00:31:07.519 Don't mind me asking. 00:31:07.680 --> 00:31:08.480 I am 39. 00:31:08.640 --> 00:31:12.319 What do you think your life expectancy is if you continue going down the way you're going? 00:31:12.480 --> 00:31:13.680 What do you what do you give yourself? 00:31:13.839 --> 00:31:15.680 I give myself 55, maybe. 00:31:15.920 --> 00:31:16.160 Shh. 00:31:18.160 --> 00:31:20.960 I guess I'm guessing like 50 or 55. 00:31:22.319 --> 00:31:23.279 Early 40s. 00:31:23.519 --> 00:31:24.559 Early 40s. 00:31:24.799 --> 00:31:26.880 Um, what how does that make you feel? 00:31:28.400 --> 00:31:30.079 Made me feel bad. 00:31:31.680 --> 00:31:32.640 I know my needs be. 00:31:33.440 --> 00:31:34.240 I know my needs. 00:31:34.799 --> 00:31:38.000 Um I'm almost a hope that I got reels in heaven. 00:31:38.240 --> 00:31:40.640 Right now I'm humble with another one too. 00:31:40.799 --> 00:31:43.920 Um about 90. 00:31:44.240 --> 00:31:44.799 90? 00:31:44.960 --> 00:31:45.200 Yeah. 00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:47.839 So what do you think you gotta do to live to 90? 00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:50.480 Try not to get killed. 00:31:51.680 --> 00:31:52.079 Oof. 00:31:52.319 --> 00:31:53.759 This was kind of dark. 00:31:54.079 --> 00:31:55.119 Until the end there. 00:31:55.279 --> 00:31:57.279 Try not get killed is legitimately funny. 00:31:57.440 --> 00:32:00.079 I think try not get killed is pretty great. 00:32:00.400 --> 00:32:00.559 Yeah. 00:32:00.720 --> 00:32:12.880 Again, I think this is another common trope that we tend to see in nutrition documentaries that suggests that the only thing that has anything to do with how long we're going to live or longevity is food. 00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:25.599 And I I mean, I think food plays a role, but you and I would also say that longevity, how long people are living, is complex and there are lots of factors that go into determining how long people live. 00:32:25.920 --> 00:32:29.680 And there are people who eat, you know, in a very specific way. 00:32:29.839 --> 00:32:33.920 Maybe they eat all

plants and they're juicing all the time, and they don't live that long. 00:32:34.079 --> 00:32:40.480 And so it's an oversimplification of the relationship between nutrition and mortality to me. 00:32:40.799 --> 00:32:49.839 I always give the example of my great-grandmother who lived to 104, literally ate a hot dog every day of her life and ate ice cream like every day of her life. 00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:52.240 Like and 104, right? 00:32:52.480 --> 00:32:57.680 And you're referring to both uh modifiable and non-modifiable risk factors, right? 00:32:57.759 --> 00:33:01.200 Like genetics is is non-modifiable now. 00:33:01.599 --> 00:33:07.599 And you know, modifiable would be things like nutrition, but also like socioeconomic status, right? 00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:17.119 And I think what we're seeing here, you know, if I if people will permit me to make some assumptions, is some of these people seem like they're living in pretty low socioeconomic status. 00:33:17.680 --> 00:33:18.240 You know what I'm saying? 00:33:18.480 --> 00:33:19.200 Yeah, no, for sure. 00:33:19.359 --> 00:33:25.599 And I think again, this is just again, we're we're assuming based on some of the visuals that they're showing, but a lot of these places look very rural. 00:33:25.680 --> 00:33:31.359 And so for me, the question becomes I mean, what's the access like to fresh fruits and vegetables? 00:33:31.599 --> 00:33:37.440 We know that things like food deserts exist and it can be hard to access certain foods in certain places. 00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:43.680 And so there's just a lot of factors that go into this, but this clip makes it seem very cut and dry. 00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:44.240 Right. 00:33:44.319 --> 00:33:51.039 Like these interviews would land with a lot more emotional resonance if this was a documentary about income inequality. 00:33:51.279 --> 00:33:51.440 Right. 00:33:51.680 --> 00:33:54.640 But it's right, it's a documentary about drinking a shit ton of juice. 00:33:55.039 --> 00:33:56.960 So it's like, what are we doing here? 00:33:57.200 --> 00:33:58.160 Exactly. 00:33:59.599 --> 00:34:08.079 Even though I met a bunch of people who felt they were heading in the same direction I was, I also met lots of people who thought they weren't. 00:34:08.719 --> 00:34:12.320 How would a more conventional 10-day juice fast affect them? 00:34:12.719 --> 00:34:16.480 Siong from Iowa volunteered to find out. 00:34:16.960 --> 00:34:21.039 Unlike me, she was married and shared to cook dinner for her family. 00:34:21.199 --> 00:34:28.000 When I met her in New York, she explained to me that she suffered from migraines and she was interested to see if this could help. 00:34:28.239 --> 00:34:29.519 I don't know which plate goes. 00:34:34.719 --> 00:34:36.639 I think this thing is so fun. 00:34:38.079 --> 00:34:43.199 I get migraine headaches if I smell certain things or if I eat certain things. 00:34:43.360 --> 00:34:46.559 And I mean literally a migraine headache that can make me sick. 00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:50.239 Can't see, can't hear, throwing up the whole bit. 00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:52.239 Down the hatch, guys. 00:34:53.679 --> 00:34:55.360 Oh god, that's nasty. 00:34:59.280 --> 00:35:01.519 All right, so I can see where we're heading now. 00:35:01.599 --> 00:35:05.679 I mean, he's recruiting people to try juice fasting. 00:35:05.760 --> 00:35:16.159 And I feel like what we're about to see is, you know, not only is the juice fast going to help Joe's chronic hives, I'm guessing it's going to cure this woman's migraines. 00:35:16.239 --> 00:35:20.639 And so I feel like we're very deep into anecdotal experience right now. 00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:23.440 Juicer's salesman technique, so to speak. 00:35:23.519 --> 00:35:25.760 And so this is Sion from Iowa. 00:35:26.239 --> 00:35:27.039 She's very likable. 00:35:27.360 --> 00:35:29.840 She's just immediately I'm like, I like this person. 00:35:30.079 --> 00:35:30.719 Yeah, absolutely. 00:35:30.800 --> 00:35:34.480 And she seems, you know, like very excited just to try something new. 00:35:34.559 --> 00:35:36.159 And yeah, she's yeah, she's great. 00:35:36.400 --> 00:35:38.880 Yeah, and she's gonna do a 10-day juice fast, he said. 00:35:38.960 --> 00:35:41.599 So we're not expecting her to go 60 days here. 00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:44.880 Hi Joe. 00:35:45.119 --> 00:35:46.880 Hey Sion, how are you? 00:35:47.199 --> 00:35:47.840 I'm fine. 00:35:47.920 --> 00:35:48.880 How are you doing? 00:35:49.199 --> 00:35:50.320 I'm going very well. 00:35:50.400 --> 00:35:51.440 Thank you very much. 00:35:51.679 --> 00:35:53.440 And how are you feeling? 00:35:54.320 --> 00:35:56.559 Um, today I'm very tired. 00:35:56.800 --> 00:35:58.400 I feel like I'm in a fog. 00:35:59.039 --> 00:36:02.800 Um I just I'm okay. 00:36:03.039 --> 00:36:04.719 Trust me, it's gonna get better. 00:36:05.119 --> 00:36:08.800 All right, so Sion's in the pit of sorrow now that we heard Joe in before. 00:36:09.119 --> 00:36:09.679 Yeah, yeah. 00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:17.519 It's not part of any extreme diet where you're not eating enough and you're feeling the consequences of it. 00:36:19.519 --> 00:36:21.519 Well, I got something funny to tell you. 00:36:21.679 --> 00:36:28.079 The first day I drank this juice, within about 30 minutes, I was in the bathroom. 00:36:29.119 --> 00:36:42.320 And I mean, I was totally cleaned out, so I thought, well, then when I had the first glass again yesterday, I was in the bathroom again for a quite a period of time. 00:36:42.559 --> 00:36:46.079 And I was like, whoa, where'd all this come from? 00:36:47.039 --> 00:36:48.480 Oh my gosh. 00:36:49.039 --> 00:36:59.119 Okay, so here's the thing is like uh these juice fasts, they try to play off this idea that having diarrhea is just like cleaning your toxins out. 00:36:59.199 --> 00:37:00.960 No, you just have diarrhea, Sion. 00:37:01.280 --> 00:37:02.480 Like, that's what's happening here. 00:37:02.639 --> 00:37:05.840 It's not like

flushing toxins out of the system. 00:37:06.000 --> 00:37:06.960 You just have diarrhea. 00:37:07.119 --> 00:37:07.840 Should I say it again? 00:37:08.000 --> 00:37:09.760 You just have diarrhea, Sion. 00:37:12.239 --> 00:37:13.039 Hi, mate. 00:37:13.119 --> 00:37:13.519 My name is John. 00:37:14.480 --> 00:37:15.199 Phil Staples. 00:37:15.360 --> 00:37:16.800 How much driving you have to do? 00:37:17.199 --> 00:37:20.320 Oh, how many miles a year would you do? 00:37:20.480 --> 00:37:23.679 Oh, anywhere close to 150,000, 150,000. 00:37:24.400 --> 00:37:28.159 Okay, so we met a truck driver named Phil Staples here. 00:37:28.239 --> 00:37:32.639 And I'm remembering now that Phil becomes a big part of this documentary as we go forward. 00:37:32.800 --> 00:37:39.440 We've learned that Phil has the same or similar chronic hives condition like Joe does. 00:37:39.760 --> 00:37:53.199 And he said that he's unhappy he's gained a lot of weight over the years, which he attributes to sitting in his truck all day long, taking steroids for his chronic hives, and eating mostly fast food, pizza, and burgers, as he said. 00:37:53.599 --> 00:37:54.079 Fasting. 00:37:54.159 --> 00:37:56.719 I found fasting works means that maybe it'll work for you. 00:37:56.960 --> 00:38:03.039 And I I'm I'm betting my life on it, and I really am betting my life, that uh this is the way to get it. 00:38:06.719 --> 00:38:07.760 We're gonna get a juice. 00:38:13.280 --> 00:38:15.920 I want to do this that you might need to be in food. 00:38:17.119 --> 00:38:18.639 Then you can do your first part. 00:38:18.880 --> 00:38:22.480 And if you want, I'll give you my details, you can pull me a little bit further, look at fruit. 00:38:22.639 --> 00:38:27.280 And if you're not down, the 210, 220 pounds, I'll eat a hell. 00:38:29.679 --> 00:38:36.559 I think there's a lot of language that we just listened to that is very persuasive. 00:38:36.800 --> 00:38:38.480 Juice will save your life. 00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:38.960 Yeah. 00:38:39.199 --> 00:38:47.840 And I think this type of language that's used often in a lot of different fad diets oversimplifies complex health issues. 00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:52.239 It does this thing where it promises rapid transformations. 00:38:52.480 --> 00:38:54.320 It really plays on people's emotions. 00:38:54.960 --> 00:38:55.119 Right. 00:38:55.280 --> 00:38:58.719 And it's all happening very casually in a in a in a parking lot here. 00:38:58.800 --> 00:39:02.559 But he says, like, if you're not down to 210 pounds, I'll eat my hat. 00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:06.880 So he's like giving him a weight promise, even for a man he just met. 00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:12.960 And the prescription here, according to Joe, is you know, eat micronutrient foods and then do a juice fast. 00:39:13.280 --> 00:39:16.960 But he also made a promise, like, if you if you want help with this, just give me a call. 00:39:17.199 --> 00:39:17.599 Exactly. 00:39:17.760 --> 00:39:21.920 I mean, it's no

different than any other fad diet saying, you know, lose 10 pounds in a week. 00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:22.960 It's the exact same thing. 00:39:23.039 --> 00:39:24.719 He's just framing it differently. 00:39:25.440 --> 00:39:26.880 Okay, Sion, how are you? 00:39:27.039 --> 00:39:27.920 I'm fine, Joe. 00:39:28.000 --> 00:39:29.039 How are you doing? 00:39:29.360 --> 00:39:30.639 I'm feeling pretty good. 00:39:30.880 --> 00:39:31.760 You're looking at it. 00:39:31.920 --> 00:39:33.440 We're in uh oh, thank you. 00:39:33.519 --> 00:39:35.679 We're in uh you look pretty good too, by the way. 00:39:35.840 --> 00:39:36.800 I want to hear all about it. 00:39:36.880 --> 00:39:37.599 How are you feeling? 00:39:37.760 --> 00:39:38.960 Give me give me the rundown. 00:39:39.440 --> 00:39:40.800 I'm feeling really good. 00:39:41.039 --> 00:39:46.480 Energy levels mostly up less fatigue than even when I'm not fasting. 00:39:46.800 --> 00:39:49.599 I'm not having any headaches whatsoever. 00:39:49.840 --> 00:39:52.800 So it's really been a wonderful experience. 00:39:53.119 --> 00:39:53.920 That's great. 00:39:54.079 --> 00:40:03.920 I can I can even tell on the webcam that your face is looking a lot clearer and cleaner and I think things are just kind of clearing up all over from head to toe. 00:40:04.320 --> 00:40:07.199 She just seemed like everything was out of control for her. 00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:16.880 And since she's been on this fast, why things are starting to take shape in her life where she has some control over weight and her attitude and her sleep. 00:40:17.039 --> 00:40:20.159 So it's it's that's good news for me and her. 00:40:21.280 --> 00:40:21.840 You know what? 00:40:21.920 --> 00:40:23.840 You know what part of the documentary we're at now? 00:40:24.079 --> 00:40:27.440 What the before and after testimonials, right? 00:40:27.679 --> 00:40:34.000 The uh everything in my life got better, everything dramatically transformed. 00:40:34.239 --> 00:40:37.280 These types of stories are very compelling, right? 00:40:37.360 --> 00:40:41.280 We like Su Yang, we think she seems nice, she's very relatable. 00:40:41.519 --> 00:40:50.079 And so when she has this transformation, it's just so easy to bypass skepticism and be like, well, look, everything's better for her. 00:40:50.159 --> 00:40:54.239 So maybe everything will be better for me if I juice fast for 10 days. 00:40:54.480 --> 00:40:58.239 It's just again, this is such a classic nutrition documentary ploy. 00:40:58.639 --> 00:40:59.360 Totally, totally. 00:40:59.440 --> 00:41:06.000 And you know, she found complete control in her life in 10 days, but now the juice fast is over and she said like she might do it again someday. 00:41:06.239 --> 00:41:06.559 Okay. 00:41:06.960 --> 00:41:08.079 What do you do from here though? 00:41:08.239 --> 00:41:09.760 Like what do you do tomorrow? 00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:13.599 I like how the husband too was like, her attitude's so much better, which is good for me.

00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:15.519 Like, can we caught you, buddy? 00:41:15.679 --> 00:41:16.639 Okay, yeah. 00:41:23.519 --> 00:41:27.119 So here I am on the morning of day 61. 00:41:28.320 --> 00:41:34.960 I thought, what better way to break my fast in 2,000 feet above the earth on a beautiful morning? 00:41:39.280 --> 00:41:47.679 Up in that balloon, I renewed my commitment to eat nothing but micronutrient food until I was free of my medication. 00:41:47.920 --> 00:41:49.920 And then the real test. 00:41:50.320 --> 00:41:54.960 Would I be able to achieve and maintain a life with balance? 00:41:56.239 --> 00:41:57.599 60 days. 00:41:59.360 --> 00:42:00.480 He goes. 00:42:03.679 --> 00:42:05.920 Okay, so he's eating an apple in an air balloon. 00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:08.639 The classic way to uh to cap off a fast, I think. 00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:10.239 I mean, it's a very normal way. 00:42:10.400 --> 00:42:14.719 Anytime I break a juice fast, it's always in a hot air balloon. 00:42:16.079 --> 00:42:18.320 And so, okay, so he's done with his fast. 00:42:18.400 --> 00:42:20.719 Somehow we're like barely halfway through this documentary. 00:42:20.960 --> 00:42:21.920 I'm not really sure what's happening. 00:42:22.639 --> 00:42:23.119 I can't. 00:42:23.199 --> 00:42:24.960 I don't know how much more I can do, but I will. 00:42:25.039 --> 00:42:25.920 I will power through. 00:42:26.159 --> 00:42:31.360 Okay, so he's saying, all right, I'm gonna continue eating micronutrient foods until I'm off my medications. 00:42:31.599 --> 00:42:34.960 Well, that to Joe, that means only beans, vegetables, and fruits. 00:42:35.119 --> 00:42:36.239 So he's very limited. 00:42:36.639 --> 00:42:38.880 I wonder if he's going back to Australia or if he's hanging here. 00:42:39.039 --> 00:42:40.880 Well, that's we're gonna find out. 00:42:41.920 --> 00:42:46.719 So the great news is back in Australia, eight weeks since I banned that balloon. 00:42:46.960 --> 00:42:47.760 Guess what? 00:42:47.920 --> 00:42:48.800 No medication. 00:42:48.960 --> 00:42:49.440 That's right. 00:42:49.599 --> 00:42:52.880 I've been one whole week on absolutely no predator. 00:42:53.280 --> 00:42:54.639 It's the best feeling ever. 00:42:54.800 --> 00:42:56.079 It's just sensational. 00:42:59.760 --> 00:43:05.920 The changes I've made are not only helping my body, they're also making a big difference to my mind. 00:43:11.360 --> 00:43:16.719 I invest my own money in growing businesses, both in the US and here in Australia. 00:43:17.519 --> 00:43:18.559 And we found the right guy. 00:43:18.639 --> 00:43:20.480 We're confident that this guy is the right guy for us. 00:43:20.719 --> 00:43:20.880 Hello. 00:43:24.480 --> 00:43:29.920 So this is one of the dresses from the collection Spring Summer. 00:43:30.400 --> 00:43:31.199 What is happening? 00:43:31.599 --> 00:43:32.000 What's the point? 00:43:32.159 --> 00:43:32.400 I know. 00:43:32.480 --> 00:43:41.840 This is so well, I mean, it kind of starts out

again as this after montage, how everything has gotten better for him, and then he's just talking about and reviewing his women's fashion line. 00:43:41.920 --> 00:43:42.480 It's kind of weird. 00:43:42.719 --> 00:43:44.800 Wha why is he in charge of a women's fashion? 00:43:45.199 --> 00:43:46.079 When is that his job? 00:43:46.239 --> 00:43:48.800 I thought he was an investment banker or whatever. 00:43:49.199 --> 00:43:51.599 Now he's overseeing women's dresses. 00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:53.760 Everything's changed for Joe Matt. 00:43:53.840 --> 00:43:54.800 Everything has changed. 00:43:55.039 --> 00:43:57.920 Well, I guess work is at the top of his priorities list again. 00:43:58.000 --> 00:43:59.360 I guess his priorities are out of whack. 00:43:59.679 --> 00:43:59.840 Well. 00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:02.320 But ice cream is still now lower on the totem pole. 00:44:02.639 --> 00:44:02.960 That's true. 00:44:03.119 --> 00:44:08.239 Okay, so this is just basically like a business montage of like, look how cool and powerful Joe is now. 00:44:08.559 --> 00:44:10.719 Well, and healthy and successful, right? 00:44:10.960 --> 00:44:11.920 He has it, he has it all. 00:44:12.239 --> 00:44:12.559 That's right. 00:44:12.639 --> 00:44:18.639 And he's off his medications for one week, and yeah, apparently he's just had a lot of beans and he's ready to roll. 00:44:19.199 --> 00:44:23.119 So there I am, back in Australia, working on the new Joe. 00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:24.559 The healthier Joe. 00:44:24.719 --> 00:44:26.159 The happier Joe. 00:44:26.719 --> 00:44:28.800 I was on top of the world. 00:44:29.360 --> 00:44:38.400 And then you reach the US cell phone at Joe Cross. 00:44:38.639 --> 00:44:40.639 Unfortunately, I'm in Australia right now. 00:44:40.880 --> 00:44:43.519 Please leave a message and I will get back to you. 00:44:43.679 --> 00:44:44.559 Thanks for calling. 00:44:45.039 --> 00:44:46.639 Joe, this is Phil. 00:44:47.440 --> 00:44:49.440 Is it Julie Dennis for help? 00:44:49.519 --> 00:44:54.400 I'm getting tired of let you myself come here together and figure something out. 00:44:58.559 --> 00:45:03.360 Okay, so Phil, this is Phil, the truck driver that we met earlier in the parking lot. 00:45:03.599 --> 00:45:05.679 He's taking Joe up on his promise. 00:45:05.760 --> 00:45:07.599 He's calling him and saying, I need help. 00:45:07.679 --> 00:45:08.480 Can you can you help me? 00:45:08.719 --> 00:45:09.199 Yeah, yeah. 00:45:09.280 --> 00:45:10.880 I mean, I'm like on the fence. 00:45:10.960 --> 00:45:12.480 This feels a little bit contrived. 00:45:12.639 --> 00:45:20.239 I feel like this is very just very convenient that he just happens to be reaching out right now when Joe has ended his fast and on top of the world. 00:45:20.320 --> 00:45:21.039 But how do I know? 00:45:21.119 --> 00:45:22.800 Maybe it really played out that way. 00:45:23.440 --> 00:45:26.320 I offered him help and um I'm gonna do that. 00:45:26.480 --> 00:45:29.280 I've got to get over there and see what I can do. 00:45:36.079 --> 00:45:37.920 So we just got into seafalls. 00:45:44.079 --> 00:45:48.400 After we talked on the phone, he decided to try a 10-day juice fast. 00:45:49.840 --> 00:45:51.360 Ah, he's back. 00:45:51.760 --> 00:45:57.280 So Joe flew from Australia to South Dakota to go, just juice buddy. 00:45:57.599 --> 00:45:58.239 That's all you get. 00:45:58.559 --> 00:46:01.679 Do you think do you think that he flew in a plane or a balloon? 00:46:02.639 --> 00:46:06.960 Okay, so he's here to help Phil do his juice fast, is what we've gathered. 00:46:07.119 --> 00:46:10.400 Okay, so now I'm realizing why we still have so much documentary to listen to. 00:46:10.480 --> 00:46:11.679 This is the Phil story now. 00:46:11.920 --> 00:46:12.239 Okay. 00:46:16.400 --> 00:46:27.599 I didn't really start putting on weight until after the Air Force and came home and I started to eat because I wasn't happy. 00:46:27.920 --> 00:46:29.199 And I chose that. 00:46:29.519 --> 00:46:31.039 And it's been that way ever since. 00:46:31.199 --> 00:46:32.880 Slowly isolating myself. 00:46:33.039 --> 00:46:35.440 I started getting into truck driving again. 00:46:35.920 --> 00:46:41.119 My excuse was I was following in dad's footsteps because dad was a truck driver. 00:46:42.800 --> 00:46:48.960 And staying in a truck and staying out a long time and isolating, eating nothing but greasy food. 00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:51.519 That's when it all started. 00:46:52.800 --> 00:46:56.320 It didn't get real bad until after the second divorce. 00:46:56.880 --> 00:46:59.039 That's when I really started putting the weight on. 00:47:02.400 --> 00:47:05.119 So I just started eating until I couldn't eat no more. 00:47:05.679 --> 00:47:10.159 I mean, this sounds like somebody who has a challenging relationship with food. 00:47:10.320 --> 00:47:15.599 This sounds like someone who has, yeah, just just navigated a lot of personal challenges. 00:47:16.000 --> 00:47:16.320 Yeah. 00:47:16.639 --> 00:47:18.320 Socially isolating himself. 00:47:18.559 --> 00:47:21.280 He's been in the military, he's been through divorce. 00:47:21.519 --> 00:47:37.519 And, you know, I think there's this thing where when it's like a, you know, a tough man truck driver from South Dakota, we're like allergic to using certain words that we'd use for other populations, like you know, mental health diagnoses, like depression or binge eating disorder. 00:47:37.599 --> 00:47:44.159 But that's kind of what I'm hearing here is a lot of depression and you know, eating until physically uncomfortable. 00:47:44.400 --> 00:47:45.119 Yeah, yeah. 00:47:45.440 --> 00:47:54.000 Apparently, this documentary is gonna say, well, the prescription is just like shake it up with a lot of juice, like from a spunky Australian businessman. 00:47:54.159 --> 00:47:57.039 Like that that'll snap you out of mental health issues. 00:47:57.199 --> 00:48:02.800 I mean, it frames the mental health challenges as

like a lack of knowledge or like willpower, right? 00:48:02.880 --> 00:48:05.599 And and I think that that's exactly the opposite of what he needs. 00:48:05.760 --> 00:48:06.559 Yeah, exactly. 00:48:06.960 --> 00:48:12.079 Now I wouldn't mind if you know, it wouldn't be so terrible if people were well educated and well informed. 00:48:12.239 --> 00:48:15.199 They didn't have to die, and then they can make that choice, they want to commit suicide with food. 00:48:15.360 --> 00:48:18.159 But the unfortunate thing is most Americans are not properly informed. 00:48:18.320 --> 00:48:22.320 It's just like they can say, you know, you're gonna smoke cigarettes, you want to smoke, go ahead and do it. 00:48:22.400 --> 00:48:24.079 But you're gonna have a heart attack, you're gonna get cancer. 00:48:24.159 --> 00:48:26.719 You can't escape from the biological laws of cause and effect. 00:48:26.880 --> 00:48:29.760 What happens to you is gonna be the same thing that happens to every other American. 00:48:29.920 --> 00:48:39.599 And you're gonna have a healthcare crisis, we're gonna run to doctors looking for medications to control our symptoms, our headaches, our fatigue, our allergies, our autoimmune conditions, our digestive disturbances. 00:48:39.679 --> 00:48:53.440 We're gonna be medical crippled society because we're eating a diet style that couldn't be better designed by the best nutritional scientists in the world to create the epidemic of disease we have in America, and of course, obesity, diabetes, and all these diseases of nutritional ignorance. 00:48:53.760 --> 00:48:55.840 Oh, this guy's the worst. 00:48:56.000 --> 00:48:59.280 God threw this man nutritional ignorance. 00:48:59.440 --> 00:49:00.239 Wow, wow. 00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:05.840 You can tell he he thinks well of all of his patients, just Americans in general. 00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:07.440 I mean, what terrible language. 00:49:07.760 --> 00:49:09.119 That is exactly what I was saying, right? 00:49:09.199 --> 00:49:11.360 It's like Phil just doesn't have the information. 00:49:11.440 --> 00:49:13.280 He's he's ignorant about nutrition. 00:49:13.440 --> 00:49:18.639 He doesn't realize he's harming his health when he eats until he, as he said, he can't do it anymore. 00:49:18.719 --> 00:49:20.960 It's physically uncomfortable, right? 00:49:21.119 --> 00:49:22.639 Like he he's aware. 00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:24.159 He's aware of what is happening. 00:49:24.559 --> 00:49:30.320 There is so much nuance, there's so much complexity around everything that we've been talking about so far. 00:49:30.480 --> 00:49:35.360 And Joel Furman's just like it's just a bunch of ignorant Americans that don't know what they're doing. 00:49:35.440 --> 00:49:37.360 And it's like, why are you even in patient care? 00:49:37.440 --> 00:49:41.119 If that's really what you think about people, why why are you even interacting with patients? 00:49:41.199 --> 00:49:47.039 Like, I can't imagine what it would be like to see

him and have him as your doctor with this kind of mentality. 00:49:47.440 --> 00:49:47.679 Right. 00:49:47.920 --> 00:49:54.159 It's like this thing where people, you know, convince themselves that the general public does not know about the benefits of vegetables. 00:49:54.320 --> 00:49:54.800 Right, right. 00:49:54.880 --> 00:50:00.320 It's like he he has somebody come in who shares, you know, a heartbreaking story of everything they've been through. 00:50:00.480 --> 00:50:06.320 And he goes, All right, let me show you a picture of how full your stomach will be if you eat micronutrient foods. 00:50:06.400 --> 00:50:09.679 It's like you're missing the point so dramatically. 00:50:09.760 --> 00:50:17.519 And you must, doesn't it break your heart when your patients like go glassy-eyed and realize that you're gonna give them a solution that's not gonna be helpful for them? 00:50:17.760 --> 00:50:26.960 Well, it also reminds me of, you know, I've worked with so many individuals who have had a doctor who, you know, who live in larger bodies and who have had a doctor say to them, Oh, have you thought about losing weight? 00:50:27.199 --> 00:50:31.119 And they're like, Yeah, yeah, wow, wow, I've never thought about that before. 00:50:31.280 --> 00:50:33.440 No one's ever told me that before. 00:50:33.599 --> 00:50:39.760 I mean, it's just so ridiculous and it completely ignores the whole person in front of you. 00:50:39.920 --> 00:50:44.400 There's no, let me actually consider what this individual is telling me. 00:50:44.559 --> 00:50:50.159 Instead, I'm just going to default to teaching them about vegetables and tell them to lose weight. 00:51:08.639 --> 00:51:14.400 As the weeks passed, he had more and more energy, and his face began to glow. 00:51:14.639 --> 00:51:18.480 And in this community, he has inspired so many people. 00:51:19.199 --> 00:51:22.800 He felt so good, he wanted to spread the word. 00:51:24.320 --> 00:51:27.760 So, he started a community juice fast. 00:51:29.760 --> 00:51:37.360 Today I just weighed myself, and I'm down 91 pounds, which is six bowling balls, ladies and gentlemen. 00:51:37.679 --> 00:51:43.440 So that's that is what I used to carry 57 days ago all over my body. 00:51:45.760 --> 00:51:47.519 Okay, so we have not paused in a while. 00:51:47.599 --> 00:51:49.039 So a lot has happened here. 00:51:49.199 --> 00:51:54.800 I think we feel like, you know, basically the arc of Phil's story is pretty similar to Joe's story. 00:51:54.880 --> 00:51:56.320 He's just juice fasting for a while. 00:51:56.400 --> 00:52:06.239 He went through his own trough of sorrow at a barbecue, and you know, now he's like an important fixture of this community here, and he's been juice fasting for 60 days. 00:52:06.559 --> 00:52:15.679 Yeah, and it's there's this interesting emphasis on weight as the ultimate metric of health in this clip that I pick up on. 00:52:15.840 --> 00:52:19.440 You know, he's very emphatic about how much weight he's lost. 00:52:19.679 --> 00:52:22.880 But all these questions pop into my mind: how is your mental health? 00:52:23.039 --> 00:52:24.400 How is your relationship with food? 00:52:24.559 --> 00:52:25.840 Are you still driving a truck? 00:52:26.000 --> 00:52:31.039 Since that seemed to create barriers to you being able to feed yourself in a certain way. 00:52:31.280 --> 00:52:34.079 So again, it's like a very, very weight loss focused. 00:52:34.159 --> 00:52:37.920 And oh my gosh, he's lost, you know, X many bowling balls from his body. 00:52:38.079 --> 00:52:41.679 But then my mind goes to how is everything else in your life? 00:52:42.079 --> 00:52:43.599 Well, he's not in his life. 00:52:43.760 --> 00:52:47.920 Joe put him up at a lakeside hotel for the 60 days, right? 00:52:48.000 --> 00:52:52.639 And so, you know, the questions of you know, what's going on, it's like you're on vacation, man. 00:52:52.719 --> 00:53:02.880 Like this is this is not your real life, and he he's not working, he's not living in his home, which we saw him in earlier, where his you know, bed was pressed up against the television. 00:53:03.360 --> 00:53:11.199 This is a departure from his life, which is very different than you know, doing this while working and while living in your normal home. 00:53:11.519 --> 00:53:14.960 Well, but that's the problem for Joe Cross, too, is he wasn't working. 00:53:15.119 --> 00:53:20.719 He was, you know, essentially he was he was filming this documentary, but he was just traveling around the US. 00:53:20.880 --> 00:53:25.280 He didn't have all of the pressures or the stressors of his normal day-to-day life. 00:53:25.599 --> 00:53:35.840 And so, yeah, I mean, it's there's that big variable there of is it going to actually be sustainable when you go back to navigating your normal day-to-day? 00:53:35.920 --> 00:53:42.000 And I would argue that both Joe Cross and Phil here were completely outside of their normal routines. 00:53:42.079 --> 00:53:49.679 And so, I mean, that's just a big consideration to focus on when you're thinking about the sustainability of something like this. 00:53:50.000 --> 00:53:52.000 Okay, so we're kind of at the end of the dock now. 00:53:52.239 --> 00:53:55.360 Let's let's just let Joe kind of cap us off here, ready? 00:53:55.519 --> 00:53:56.159 Yeah. 00:53:56.559 --> 00:54:00.159 I've gone from someone who knew to someone who would do. 00:54:00.559 --> 00:54:08.000 And uh, that's just helped my journey, my journey along, and I'm hoping that I'm gonna stick around here a bit longer. 00:54:08.159 --> 00:54:12.239 And as for my journey, well, it ain't over yet. 00:54:12.559 --> 00:54:14.159 Got a long way to go. 00:54:14.639 --> 00:54:15.840 I hope. 00:54:25.920 --> 00:54:34.639 I always had always chose to play with fire. 00:54:37.199 --> 00:54:37.920 We made it. 00:54:38.719 --> 00:54:39.199 Made it to the end. 00:54:39.360 --> 00:54:41.199 I didn't know we were gonna get through it, but we did it. 00:54:41.440

--> 00:54:43.519 I'm assuming you're big on juice fasting now. 00:54:43.679 --> 00:54:45.360 You wanna you wanna get that juicer back out? 00:54:45.679 --> 00:54:46.559 Yes, of course. 00:54:46.719 --> 00:54:46.960 Yeah. 00:54:47.199 --> 00:54:49.840 After we get done recording, I'm gonna go downstairs. 00:54:49.920 --> 00:54:54.079 I'm gonna bust out my brevel juicer and make myself a juice. 00:54:54.159 --> 00:54:55.440 I'm just gonna just go for it. 00:54:55.760 --> 00:54:57.760 An onion and tomato Thanksgiving dinner. 00:54:58.000 --> 00:55:00.880 Well, I I mean, I am curious to know just very briefly. 00:55:01.039 --> 00:55:11.679 I mean, if somebody came to you and said, okay, I want to try a juice fast, what would be your like major red flag concerns besides the fact that they're just not eating food at baseline? 00:55:11.840 --> 00:55:14.639 And I know that's a very big concern to just brush aside. 00:55:14.800 --> 00:55:20.719 But what would you do if someone was like, hey, can I can I just juice for lunch instead of having a meal? 00:55:20.880 --> 00:55:23.360 Or what do you think about juice fasting in general? 00:55:23.679 --> 00:55:24.320 Yeah, sure. 00:55:24.559 --> 00:55:28.880 Well, as a big believer in autonomy, I would say, yeah, you can do whatever the heck you want to do. 00:55:28.960 --> 00:55:40.719 But I would say, you know, it's important to make sure you have medical oversight for something as restrictive and, you know, calorie deficient as that, to make sure your blood pressure, your electrolytes, and all these other things are taken into account. 00:55:40.880 --> 00:55:46.480 But I would say that, you know, it it's not that much different than starving yourself, especially these vegetable juices. 00:55:46.559 --> 00:55:50.079 You're getting so little in the way of energy or even carbohydrates. 00:55:50.159 --> 00:55:57.679 Like we think of juice as a source of sugar or carbohydrates, but a lot of the juices he's making are like mostly kale and cucumbers here. 00:55:57.920 --> 00:56:05.199 And so you really are, you know, kind of brushing up against ketosis and you're you're really starving in a lot of cases. 00:56:05.280 --> 00:56:07.360 And so you're gonna be losing weight. 00:56:07.440 --> 00:56:14.239 Yes, you're also losing significant strength and muscle mass and potentially bone mineral density during this period of time. 00:56:14.559 --> 00:56:18.880 And, you know, I think there's other considerations about one's relationship with food. 00:56:18.960 --> 00:56:20.400 Like where does this end? 00:56:20.559 --> 00:56:21.599 Where does this go? 00:56:21.760 --> 00:56:26.559 And I understand there's a fat, sick, and nearly dead too, or maybe Joe can be able to tackle this. 00:56:26.800 --> 00:56:27.360 That's where it goes. 00:56:27.440 --> 00:56:28.320 That's where it leads to it. 00:56:28.480 --> 00:56:32.000 All roads lead to a sequel of this terrible documentary that we just watched. 00:56:32.239 --> 00:56:32.960

I've never seen it. 00:56:33.039 --> 00:56:33.599 Have you seen that one? 00:56:33.920 --> 00:56:34.800 No, please. 00:56:34.960 --> 00:56:35.119 No. 00:56:35.280 --> 00:56:39.519 After I watched this one, I mean, that was enough 15 years ago, and now we're watching it again. 00:56:39.599 --> 00:56:41.360 So, no, I have not seen the second one. 00:56:41.440 --> 00:56:42.000 But you know what? 00:56:42.159 --> 00:56:43.360 I'm curious to know. 00:56:43.519 --> 00:56:46.880 Do you know anything about where Joe Cross is now? 00:56:47.039 --> 00:56:47.840 What's his deal now? 00:56:47.920 --> 00:56:50.400 Is he still deep into the world of juicing? 00:56:50.639 --> 00:57:00.239 Well, I looked him up briefly before we stopped, and I saw that his so he had Reboot with Joe as like a program where he could like guide people through juice fasts. 00:57:00.559 --> 00:57:03.920 But now it looks like he's mostly just a juicer salesman. 00:57:05.440 --> 00:57:06.159 Yeah, yeah. 00:57:06.400 --> 00:57:10.239 If you go to his website, it's pushing a product called the Nama Juicer. 00:57:10.480 --> 00:57:11.440 Let's go to his website, Joe. 00:57:11.840 --> 00:57:12.880 Okay, we're gonna do it right now. 00:57:12.960 --> 00:57:13.360 All right, let's go. 00:57:13.599 --> 00:57:13.760 Nama. 00:57:14.480 --> 00:57:14.880 Is that what it is? 00:57:14.960 --> 00:57:15.679 Nama.com. 00:57:16.000 --> 00:57:25.039 Rebootwithjoe.com slash and then it, you know, the the subheading is Revolutionary Nama Juicer, the J2 Cold Press Juicer. 00:57:25.360 --> 00:57:26.320 I will say two. 00:57:26.639 --> 00:57:35.039 Generally, I don't like to comment on people's bodies, but I think Joe kind of invited it after this whole documentary where he was fixating on his weight loss throughout the process. 00:57:35.199 --> 00:57:47.599 And, you know, when I look at his website now, I see Joe looking a lot like the Joe who started this documentary before the Juice Fast, which I think is natural and normal and to be expected in a lot of cases. 00:57:47.760 --> 00:57:48.800 I wonder what you think about that. 00:57:49.119 --> 00:57:50.000 Yeah, no, for sure. 00:57:50.079 --> 00:57:55.119 I mean, yes, I you and I don't ever want to comment on anyone's body in any way, shape, or form. 00:57:55.199 --> 00:58:07.679 But I think the point you're trying to make, and I think I would agree with this, Matt, is that you know, after you restrict and semi-starve yourself, it is very, very normal physiologically to gain back weight, right? 00:58:07.840 --> 00:58:20.639 I mean, if you have been so severely restricting your intake for an extended period of time, gaining back weight once you start to eat food again is a very natural and normal response. 00:58:20.800 --> 00:58:35.519 And I also think it probably resonates with people, anyone who has ever tried a fad diet, that, you know, again, if you're eating 1200 calories a day, that's only sustainable typically for so long before you go back to nourishing yourself adequately and appropriately. 00:58:35.599 --> 00:58:37.440 And then our bodies do tend to change. 00:58:37.599 --> 00:58:42.639 So yeah, I would say, you know, he does kind of look like the Joe from before, but that's not a bad thing. 00:58:42.800 --> 00:58:48.000 I would kind of expect that after a severe two months without any food. 00:58:48.159 --> 00:58:48.400 Yeah. 00:58:48.639 --> 00:58:51.760 Well, hey, we made it through this documentary. 00:58:51.920 --> 00:58:57.440 I think that if anyone has any other documentaries that they would like to hear us react to, send them our way. 00:58:57.519 --> 00:58:58.320 Because this one was fun. 00:58:58.480 --> 00:59:07.599 This was, I mean, I didn't love having to re-watch what is not a great documentary, but it was fun sitting with you, watching a movie, giving our thoughts. 00:59:07.679 --> 00:59:12.320 And so if anyone else has an idea of a documentary they would like to hear us react to, send it our way. 00:59:12.559 --> 00:59:12.800 Yes. 00:59:12.880 --> 00:59:22.000 If anyone has docs that have wormed their way into their brains, they want to hear two dietitians react to it and potentially crack jokes the whole time, please send them our way. 00:59:22.079 --> 00:59:22.719 We're happy to do it. 00:59:22.960 --> 00:59:28.559 Although I will say the next documentary we're gonna react to, we will be reacting to from a hot air balloon. 00:59:28.639 --> 00:59:29.920 Because we're gonna just take it up on that. 00:59:30.159 --> 00:59:31.039 We're gonna ratchet it up. 00:59:31.199 --> 00:59:32.639 It's gonna be an editing nightmare for me. 00:59:33.039 --> 00:59:35.199 Like, I know, I know.