النص الكامل لحلقة "Acceptance of Avoidable Deaths"

00:03:54,620 --> 00:03:56,500 I thought they were the same. 87 00:03:56,500 --> 00:04:00,820 Yeah, Trump ran as an outsider, or as a Republican, rather. 88 00:04:00,820 --> 00:04:04,260 But as an outsider, he didn't have any government, 89 00:04:04,260 --> 00:04:07,500 any political, any military experience. 90 00:04:07,500 --> 00:04:10,540 And I felt like the entire two-party system needed 91 00:04:10,540 --> 00:04:11,580 to be obliterated. 92 00:04:11,580 --> 00:04:15,420 And he seemed like a guy willing and able to do that. 93 00:04:15,420 --> 00:04:19,500 And for that reason, I thought that he was the right guy 94 00:04:19,500 --> 00:04:21,700 at the time for the job. 95 00:04:21,700 --> 00:04:26,460 And the reasons that you're bringing up, Penny Anne, 96 00:04:26,460 --> 00:04:31,020 I know for those who are very strongly anti-Trump, anti-MAGA, 97 00:04:31,020 --> 00:04:35,180 which I understand, I think one of the misconceptions 98 00:04:35,180 --> 00:04:38,780 amongst those who are very anti-MAGA 99 00:04:38,780 --> 00:04:42,180 is this sense that everyone supported Trump because 100 00:04:42,180 --> 00:04:46,380 of some of his statements about immigrants and about women. 101 00:04:46,380 --> 00:04:49,300 I knew that those were indefensible statements. 102 00:04:49,300 --> 00:04:57,820 But I also thought that the other side was infinitely worse. 103 00:04:57,820 --> 00:04:59,580 So I looked the other way. 104 00:04:59,580 --> 00:05:03,140 And because I looked the other way, 105 00:05:03,140 --> 00:05:05,740 yes, that was part of why I eventually left MAGA. 106 00:05:05,740 --> 00:05:10,660 But I just looked at Trump coming in and thinking, 107 00:05:10,660 --> 00:05:12,980 this is the kind of person needed 108 00:05:12,980 --> 00:05:16,100 for the job at this moment. 109 00:05:16,100 --> 00:05:18,340 And I think that there are a lot of people 110 00:05:18,340 --> 00:05:24,820 who overlook the fact that there were some anodyne 111 00:05:24,820 --> 00:05:28,940 non-controversial reasons and some valid good reasons 112 00:05:28,940 --> 00:05:32,180 for supporting Trump. 113 00:05:32,180 --> 00:05:34,660 Jobs going overseas, communities hollowed out. 114 00:05:34,660 --> 00:05:39,500 Were there some specific issues that were brought up, 115 00:05:39,500 --> 00:05:42,180 that he mentioned on the campaign, 116 00:05:42,180 --> 00:05:44,980 that you felt like really resonated with you 117 00:05:44,980 --> 00:05:48,580 and really made you someone who said, 118 00:05:48,580 --> 00:05:50,100 OK, I'm going to support Trump. 119 00:05:50,100 --> 00:05:51,220 I'm all in right now. 120 00:05:53,860 --> 00:05:57,180 Well, the economy was part of it. 121 00:05:57,180 --> 00:06:03,100 And I think more so on the issue of taxes. 122 00:06:03,100 --> 00:06:06,180 And that's why I supported the Republican Party 123 00:06:06,180 --> 00:06:11,020 for so many years is because I believe the Democrats were tax 124 00:06:11,020 --> 00:06:16,820 and spend and creating an environment of government 125 00:06:16,820 --> 00:06:18,740 dependency. 126 00:06:18,740 --> 00:06:23,220 So Trump spoke to me in that respect 127 00:06:23,220 --> 00:06:27,220 that I believed I was going to get a tax cut 128 00:06:27,220 --> 00:06:30,100 and that he was going to streamline government 129 00:06:30,100 --> 00:06:34,460 and trim a lot of waste and abuse. 130 00:06:34,460 --> 00:06:37,740 And that was very important to me. 131 00:06:37,740 --> 00:06:44,300 Do you feel like some of those beliefs within the Republican 132 00:06:44,300 --> 00:06:47,340 Party and what was championed, do you 133 00:06:47,340 --> 00:06:48,940 feel like some of those have been 134 00:06:48,940 --> 00:06:53,180 proven to be inaccurate since? 135 00:06:53,180 --> 00:06:55,420 Because I want to read something actually 136 00:06:55,420 --> 00:07:00,940 that you posted in November of 2019. 137 00:07:00,940 --> 00:07:03,300 And here's what it was a tweet that you put out there. 138 00:07:03,300 --> 00:07:07,140 And your tweet was, the biggest threat to MAGA 139 00:07:07,140 --> 00:07:09,500 is not coming from the left. 140 00:07:09,500 --> 00:07:11,780 It's coming from fake Trump supporters 141 00:07:11,780 --> 00:07:13,500 who tell you what you want to hear 142 00:07:13,500 --> 00:07:16,180 but don't tell you the whole story. 143 00:07:16,180 --> 00:07:19,180 There's a large movement of phony right wing branders 144 00:07:19,180 --> 00:07:23,540 who are getting paid by the globalists to fool you. 145 00:07:23,540 --> 00:07:28,060 And again, that sounds like me. 146 00:07:28,060 --> 00:07:29,420 I look at that, I read that tweet, 147 00:07:29,420 --> 00:07:33,660 and I think that's something I did right. 148 00:07:33,660 --> 00:07:37,500 Maybe I didn't use the verbatim, but I 149 00:07:37,500 --> 00:07:39,940 made those exact kinds of comments about elitists 150 00:07:39,940 --> 00:07:40,860 and about globalists. 151 00:07:40,860 --> 00:07:46,460 In fact, I've always said that in some cases, 152 00:07:46,460 --> 00:07:49,220 perhaps even more than Democrats, 153 00:07:49,220 --> 00:07:53,100 we in the MAGA community, we despised anti-Trump Republicans 154 00:07:53,100 --> 00:07:54,980 and conservatives. 155 00:07:54,980 --> 00:07:57,940 And one guy, for example, I've gotten to know recently, 156 00:07:57,940 --> 00:08:00,460 actually over the last several months, is Adam Kinzinger. 157 00:08:00,460 --> 00:08:04,420 And I told Adam after I apologized to him, I said, 158 00:08:04,420 --> 00:08:07,540 we hated you in MAGA. 159 00:08:07,540 --> 00:08:13,060 And there are others, but we viewed, just like these, 160 00:08:13,060 --> 00:08:16,940 as you called them at the time, fake, phony right wing 161 00:08:16,940 --> 00:08:22,060 branders, these were individuals we felt like were actually 162 00:08:22,060 --> 00:08:23,380 traitors to the cause. 163 00:08:23,380 --> 00:08:27,060 If you weren't with us, you were against us. 164 00:08:27,060 -->

00:08:30,540 And if you were 99% with us as a Republican or conservative, 165 00:08:30,540 --> 00:08:32,460 you were 0% with us. 166 00:08:32,460 --> 00:08:36,820 So that tweet, again, November 2019. 167 00:08:36,820 --> 00:08:38,380 So what happened? 168 00:08:38,380 --> 00:08:42,140 What were some moments that served 169 00:08:42,140 --> 00:08:44,980 as the catalyst for your eventual leaving? 170 00:08:44,980 --> 00:08:47,740 And what was that process like for you? 171 00:08:47,740 --> 00:08:52,300 Moments, occurrences, how long did it take you to leave? 172 00:08:52,300 --> 00:08:54,180 Get into the real specifics here, 173 00:08:54,180 --> 00:08:57,660 because I think that this particular part of the story, 174 00:08:57,660 --> 00:09:01,020 viewers really want to know what was it that eventually 175 00:09:01,020 --> 00:09:03,340 led you to exit. 176 00:09:03,340 --> 00:09:06,700 OK, the pandemic was the tipping point 177 00:09:06,700 --> 00:09:08,580 for me. 178 00:09:08,580 --> 00:09:11,620 I have a medical background. 179 00:09:11,620 --> 00:09:15,940 And what I was seeing, in a nutshell, 180 00:09:15,940 --> 00:09:20,220 was dangerous disinformation. 181 00:09:20,220 --> 00:09:26,980 Not only about the pandemic, but about other issues as well. 182 00:09:26,980 --> 00:09:29,540 All started to make sense to me. 183 00:09:29,540 --> 00:09:32,140 It all started coming together. 184 00:09:32,140 --> 00:09:35,780 I think I've been fooled. 185 00:09:35,780 --> 00:09:45,580 So that would have been probably like, I guess, early 2020. 186 00:09:45,580 --> 00:09:52,860 And I was seeing a lot of pandemic disinformation 187 00:09:52,860 --> 00:09:57,460 being promoted on the right. 188 00:09:57,460 --> 00:10:00,820 And that concerned me. 189 00:10:00,820 --> 00:10:03,620 And being in the medical field, I 190 00:10:03,620 --> 00:10:07,380 was seeing people and knowing of cases, 191 00:10:07,380 --> 00:10:12,220 people not getting vaccinated, not wearing masks, 192 00:10:12,220 --> 00:10:14,580 not social distancing. 193 00:10:14,580 --> 00:10:20,020 And we were losing a couple of thousand people a day. 194 00:10:20,020 --> 00:10:22,660 These treatments, these unproven treatments, 195 00:10:22,660 --> 00:10:26,620 like hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin and all of this, 196 00:10:26,620 --> 00:10:33,420 well, people were taking those in lieu of proven treatments. 197 00:10:33,420 --> 00:10:39,580 And I was very, very concerned about my fellow Americans. 198 00:10:39,580 --> 00:10:43,580 So keeping with the disinformation thing, 199 00:10:43,580 --> 00:10:46,340 one thing led to another. 200 00:10:46,340 --> 00:10:51,020 And as I started to do more research on the people who 201 00:10:51,020 --> 00:10:54,500 were promoting pandemic disinformation, 202 00:10:54,500 --> 00:11:00,180 and I'm talking about the political hacks mostly here, 203 00:11:00,180 --> 00:11:03,900 I started to realize that I believed things 204 00:11:03,900 --> 00:11:07,100 that weren't true in other areas as well. 205 00:11:11,900 --> 00:11:13,980 You know, again, I'm going to reiterate this point 206 00:11:13,980 --> 00:11:18,740 and forgive my repeating this, but the pandemic 207 00:11:18,740 --> 00:11:21,860 was part of the reason I left also. 208 00:11:24,660 --> 00:11:28,060 There were moments within my time in the MAGA community 209 00:11:28,060 --> 00:11:30,220 where I was with fellow MAGA Americans, 210 00:11:30,220 --> 00:11:36,260 and we did harshly criticize and censure the president privately. 211 00:11:36,260 --> 00:11:38,860 And the pandemic management was one of those moments. 212 00:11:38,860 --> 00:11:45,780 We knew just how much he was botching, leading. 213 00:11:45,780 --> 00:11:52,060 Now, even giving some benefit of the doubt 214 00:11:52,060 --> 00:11:55,700 that there's no way anyone could have fully 215 00:11:55,700 --> 00:11:58,380 controlled what was happening. 216 00:11:58,380 --> 00:12:02,260 But to your point, going up and giving medical advice 217 00:12:02,260 --> 00:12:05,420 as someone who's not a doctor, shunning people 218 00:12:05,420 --> 00:12:09,340 who had medical expertise that had been, 219 00:12:09,340 --> 00:12:13,180 who were in the medical and health fields for decades, 220 00:12:13,180 --> 00:12:16,260 you're reminding me of another testimonial. 221 00:12:16,260 --> 00:12:18,460 We had a lady named Stefania Messina, 222 00:12:18,460 --> 00:12:21,660 who also in the health care industry, 223 00:12:21,660 --> 00:12:27,220 and just like with we, she started to take a closer look 224 00:12:27,220 --> 00:12:29,420 and inspect what was happening with the pandemic. 225 00:12:29,420 --> 00:12:33,820 So for me, that was also a key moment. 226 00:12:33,820 --> 00:12:39,180 And the catalyst for me, I would say, that really accelerated 227 00:12:39,180 --> 00:12:42,620 was my leaving of MAGA was really Ron DeSantis, 228 00:12:42,620 --> 00:12:46,060 my governor, because I thought that he handled the pandemic 229 00:12:46,060 --> 00:12:47,780 pretty well in the first year and a half. 230 00:12:47,780 --> 00:12:49,740 And then all of a sudden, he's got anti-vaxxers 231 00:12:49,740 --> 00:12:51,420 at his press conferences. 232 00:12:51,420 --> 00:12:52,860 And he's talking about Fauciism. 233 00:12:52,860 --> 00:12:55,860 And he eventually starts talking about biomedical security 234 00:12:55,860 --> 00:12:56,380 state. 235 00:12:56,380 --> 00:12:58,220 And I never believed COVID was a bioweapon, 236 00:12:58,220 --> 00:13:00,540 and I've never been anti-vaccine. 237 00:13:00,540 --> 00:13:04,300 So Ron DeSantis, when he did that, it confused me. 238 00:13:04,300 --> 00:13:07,500 And what I did, and I want to ask you about this point, 239 00:13:07,500 --> 00:13:12,060 as soon as my doubts commenced after Ron DeSantis, 240 00:13:12,060 --> 00:13:16,180 I diversified my news and information sources. 241 00:13:16,180 --> 00:13:20,140 So because I was just, I was fully right-wing media. 242

00:13:20,140 --> 00:13:21,260 I was consuming it. 243 00:13:21,260 --> 00:13:22,460 I lived in the comments. 244 00:13:22,460 --> 00:13:23,780 I was also writing for it. 245 00:13:23,780 --> 00:13:27,820 I have bylines in places like Fox News and The Federalist 246 00:13:27,820 --> 00:13:29,820 and some others. 247 00:13:29,820 --> 00:13:31,300 Was that the case with you? 248 00:13:31,300 --> 00:13:35,260 Were you consuming just right-wing media? 249 00:13:35,260 --> 00:13:36,740 You were in the echo bubble. 250 00:13:36,740 --> 00:13:38,460 You were in the information silo. 251 00:13:38,460 --> 00:13:40,100 Talk about that a little bit, because I 252 00:13:40,100 --> 00:13:43,900 feel like you mentioned disinformation. 253 00:13:43,900 --> 00:13:47,420 I just think that fuels so much of the lies 254 00:13:47,420 --> 00:13:50,180 and the mis and disinformation. 255 00:13:50,180 --> 00:13:56,860 Yeah, so that would be like Ben Shapiro, Candace Owens, 256 00:13:56,860 --> 00:14:05,100 Jack Posobiak, Ian Miles Chung, Charlie Kirk, 257 00:14:05,100 --> 00:14:09,260 a lot of material that came from Turning Point USA, 258 00:14:09,260 --> 00:14:16,260 a lot of the Fox News reporters, Sarah Carter, 259 00:14:16,260 --> 00:14:25,700 I believe was her name, Mike Cernovich, Stephane Monu. 260 00:14:30,260 --> 00:14:38,580 Just any of the pro-Trump influencers I followed. 261 00:14:38,580 --> 00:14:40,140 I'm thinking about all those names 262 00:14:40,140 --> 00:14:43,060 because I also followed many of them. 263 00:14:43,060 --> 00:14:48,020 And something that I liberatingly but painfully 264 00:14:48,020 --> 00:14:51,140 realized when I made the decision to leave MAGA 265 00:14:51,140 --> 00:14:56,020 is that pretty much everything that I believed was a lie. 266 00:14:56,020 --> 00:15:01,100 And I'm not going to say that everything, those individuals, 267 00:15:01,100 --> 00:15:03,580 you mentioned that everything is a lie, 268 00:15:03,580 --> 00:15:09,900 but the vast, vast majority of what they say, 269 00:15:09,900 --> 00:15:11,860 they actually don't vet. 270 00:15:11,860 --> 00:15:16,660 There was just a United Nations study that just came out. 271 00:15:16,660 --> 00:15:21,260 And in that study, it inspected and looked 272 00:15:21,260 --> 00:15:23,220 at lots of influencers. 273 00:15:23,220 --> 00:15:25,900 And not just on the right, but on the left as well. 274 00:15:25,900 --> 00:15:29,220 And yes, while there were some on the left, 275 00:15:29,220 --> 00:15:33,580 the vast majority of the ones the UN studied 276 00:15:33,580 --> 00:15:37,140 were on the right wing and showed that they don't vet 277 00:15:37,140 --> 00:15:40,020 anything that they say. 278 00:15:40,020 --> 00:15:42,660 And something else that I came to realize 279 00:15:42,660 --> 00:15:46,780 is that when you look at these mythologies that 280 00:15:46,780 --> 00:15:50,820 exist within MAGA and the Republican Party, 281 00:15:50,820 --> 00:15:53,740 Donald Trump and the Republican politicians, 282 00:15:53,740 --> 00:15:58,740 they take their cues from those influencers, from the media. 283 00:15:58,740 --> 00:16:00,060 It's not the other way around. 284 00:16:00,060 --> 00:16:03,460 It's not that President-elect Trump calls up, for example, 285 00:16:03,460 --> 00:16:05,340 Charlie Kirk at turning point and says, 286 00:16:05,340 --> 00:16:08,460 OK, I want you to say this and this and this at your events. 287 00:16:08,460 --> 00:16:09,540 That's not what happens. 288 00:16:09,540 --> 00:16:12,980 It's that Trump is getting his talking points 289 00:16:12,980 --> 00:16:16,500 from the Charlie Kirks and the Alex Joneses 290 00:16:16,500 --> 00:16:18,740 and the Tucker Carlson's. 291 00:16:18,740 --> 00:16:20,380 Especially a guy like Tucker Carlson, 292 00:16:20,380 --> 00:16:25,260 he was massively influential when 293 00:16:25,260 --> 00:16:26,740 I was in the MAGA community. 294 00:16:26,740 --> 00:16:31,420 And we didn't even like Fox News that much. 295 00:16:31,420 --> 00:16:37,940 Even Fox News was regarded as MSNBC or CNN light. 296 00:16:37,940 --> 00:16:40,020 Yeah, we thought it was better than those networks. 297 00:16:40,020 --> 00:16:41,940 But we weren't that enamored with Fox. 298 00:16:41,940 --> 00:16:44,340 But Tucker Carlson, we were. 299 00:16:44,340 --> 00:16:48,620 So you're in the echo chamber. 300 00:16:48,620 --> 00:16:51,260 You're consuming all this media. 301 00:16:51,260 --> 00:16:54,100 How did you start to come out of that? 302 00:16:54,100 --> 00:16:56,020 What did you do that made you start 303 00:16:56,020 --> 00:16:59,540 to question some of your beliefs? 304 00:16:59,540 --> 00:17:03,500 And you started to think, OK, is that actually true? 305 00:17:03,500 --> 00:17:06,060 I have this workshop I'm developing called 306 00:17:06,060 --> 00:17:07,900 Where Did You Hear That? 307 00:17:07,900 --> 00:17:12,100 And I'm thinking about if you were still in MAGA 308 00:17:12,100 --> 00:17:15,460 and I met you now, I would ask you, where did you hear that? 309 00:17:15,460 --> 00:17:18,260 So how did you get out of that? 310 00:17:18,260 --> 00:17:20,380 Because I feel like part of leaving MAGA 311 00:17:20,380 --> 00:17:25,900 is also leaving behind that right wing echo chamber. 312 00:17:30,260 --> 00:17:35,340 Yeah, well, with the pandemic being my impetus 313 00:17:35,340 --> 00:17:38,980 to search out better information, 314 00:17:38,980 --> 00:17:43,020 I just taught myself to fact check. 315 00:17:43,020 --> 00:17:49,060 And I made a conscious effort to leave that right wing bubble, 316 00:17:49,060 --> 00:17:56,580 mind bubble, and to seek out other sources of information. 317 00:17:56,580 --> 00:18:04,660 Now, I'm not saying that left sources are always right, 318 00:18:04,660 --> 00:18:06,740 always correct. 319 00:18:06,740 --> 00:18:13,740 But I did try to diversify my content 320 00:18:13,740 --> 00:18:21,580 that I was using as information to inform end of fact check.

321 00:18:21,580 --> 00:18:29,940 So I just researched some tips on vetting media sources, 322 00:18:29,940 --> 00:18:33,700 how to tell if a source is biased. 323 00:18:33,700 --> 00:18:40,100 I use ad fontes as a guide for media bias. 324 00:18:40,100 --> 00:18:45,460 And I just was very careful then about what 325 00:18:45,460 --> 00:18:49,100 I allowed myself to believe. 326 00:18:49,100 --> 00:18:55,180 I approached media sources and content creators 327 00:18:55,180 --> 00:19:00,580 with much more skepticism during and after the pandemic. 328 00:19:00,580 --> 00:19:06,300 Yeah, this is so common in our testimonials we do here 329 00:19:06,300 --> 00:19:09,140 at Midas Touch Network for those who leave. 330 00:19:09,140 --> 00:19:14,500 And all of us, and it's not hyperbolic to say this, 331 00:19:14,500 --> 00:19:18,860 we were consuming essentially the same media. 332 00:19:18,860 --> 00:19:21,260 So we all thought alike. 333 00:19:21,260 --> 00:19:23,980 We all said the same. 334 00:19:23,980 --> 00:19:28,260 I remember in the community, I was 335 00:19:28,260 --> 00:19:33,460 in the community, if there was any information that even 336 00:19:33,460 --> 00:19:38,180 remotely refuted the pervasively held beliefs and mythologies, 337 00:19:38,180 --> 00:19:40,060 we would shun it. 338 00:19:40,060 --> 00:19:41,940 It was kept out. 339 00:19:41,940 --> 00:19:46,900 Because any media we did not read or watch 340 00:19:46,900 --> 00:19:50,900 was considered what I used to call the Democrat 341 00:19:50,900 --> 00:19:52,580 media industrial complex. 342 00:19:52,580 --> 00:19:55,420 That was a phrase that I actually used. 343 00:19:55,420 --> 00:19:59,700 And I believed it at the time, just like your beliefs. 344 00:19:59,700 --> 00:20:03,020 They were sincerely held until we started to realize, 345 00:20:03,020 --> 00:20:03,780 you know what? 346 00:20:03,780 --> 00:20:09,020 This actually doesn't sound true because I just 347 00:20:09,020 --> 00:20:12,260 read in a different source that it's inaccurate. 348 00:20:12,260 --> 00:20:17,460 And this all seems so simple to just say, OK, 349 00:20:17,460 --> 00:20:20,740 I'm going to mix up and diversify my news and information 350 00:20:20,740 --> 00:20:22,700 sources. 351 00:20:22,700 --> 00:20:25,740 But it had a profound and positive impact on my life. 352 00:20:25,740 --> 00:20:29,020 And I could tell that it did for you as well. 353 00:20:29,020 --> 00:20:35,900 So what I want to ask you here in closing is, 354 00:20:35,900 --> 00:20:39,380 I left MAGA in August of 2022. 355 00:20:39,380 --> 00:20:41,660 And I didn't think anyone would care. 356 00:20:41,660 --> 00:20:42,900 That's the God's honest truth. 357 00:20:42,900 --> 00:20:46,220 And I spent the next year just telling my story 358 00:20:46,220 --> 00:20:50,460 until the idea for leaving MAGA or organization 359 00:20:50,460 --> 00:20:53,540 started to congeal. 360 00:20:53,540 --> 00:20:55,340 Why do you want to tell your story? 361

00:20:55,340 --> 00:20:59,940 What is it that you hope to get out of telling your story? 362 00:20:59,940 --> 00:21:02,300 And what is it that you want others to take away 363 00:21:02,300 --> 00:21:04,700 from your testimonial here? 364 00:21:07,260 --> 00:21:15,300 Speaking to people who are still in MAGA, yes. 365 00:21:15,300 --> 00:21:19,860 I would like to tell them that they're being deceived. 366 00:21:19,860 --> 00:21:24,820 And what they believe and what they support 367 00:21:24,820 --> 00:21:32,860 is to the benefit of the very people 368 00:21:32,860 --> 00:21:40,740 that they claim to be against, like elitists, 369 00:21:40,740 --> 00:21:45,180 and the wealthy, and white supremacists. 370 00:21:45,180 --> 00:21:49,620 I hate to say it, but it seems to be the case 371 00:21:49,620 --> 00:21:54,660 that the agenda is extreme, that you have the Christian 372 00:21:54,660 --> 00:21:59,500 nationalists trying to superimpose their extreme 373 00:21:59,500 --> 00:22:05,620 beliefs on people, racism, sexism. 374 00:22:05,620 --> 00:22:11,620 And that's not what I believed the Republican Party stood for. 375 00:22:11,620 --> 00:22:14,180 And I didn't believe conservatism 376 00:22:14,180 --> 00:22:17,500 stands for that either. 377 00:22:17,500 --> 00:22:22,020 So yeah, I think my message is that they're being deceived. 378 00:22:22,020 --> 00:22:26,740 And they need to start really considering 379 00:22:26,740 --> 00:22:33,580 how their decisions affect others and not just themselves. 380 00:22:33,580 --> 00:22:36,100 Yeah, I appreciate that you're taking 381 00:22:36,100 --> 00:22:38,940 an approach of empathy and education. 382 00:22:38,940 --> 00:22:41,620 I don't defend my or anyone's ignorance. 383 00:22:41,620 --> 00:22:46,460 But I implore everyone to remember 384 00:22:46,460 --> 00:22:49,660 something I say a lot, which is that all of us 385 00:22:49,660 --> 00:22:52,940 are susceptible to being influenced. 386 00:22:52,940 --> 00:22:57,420 And this idea that intelligent people, people 387 00:22:57,420 --> 00:23:01,700 of good character, cannot be deceived and influenced 388 00:23:01,700 --> 00:23:05,940 into believing these really traumatic mythologies that 389 00:23:05,940 --> 00:23:09,940 kept me in these perpetual states of desperation 390 00:23:09,940 --> 00:23:11,900 and panic and despair. 391 00:23:11,900 --> 00:23:15,820 And I imagine you experience very similar emotions. 392 00:23:15,820 --> 00:23:21,140 And we felt this way being on the winning side. 393 00:23:21,140 --> 00:23:26,740 We felt this way because we felt like there were 394 00:23:26,740 --> 00:23:29,140 existential threats against us. 395 00:23:29,140 --> 00:23:30,620 And so you're telling this story. 396 00:23:30,620 --> 00:23:34,860 I just want to thank you, especially as a woman. 397 00:23:34,860 --> 00:23:36,700 I think it takes a lot of intrepidity 398 00:23:36,700 --> 00:23:37,780 to do what you're doing. 399 00:23:37,780 --> 00:23:41,140 It's difficult

to tell this story. 400 00:23:41,140 --> 00:23:45,220 But I just want to commend you for doing what I believe. 401 00:23:45,220 --> 00:23:48,180 All of our testimonials is really 402 00:23:48,180 --> 00:23:50,620 an invaluable public service. 403 00:23:50,620 --> 00:23:54,220 And I appreciate what you're doing. 404 00:23:54,220 --> 00:23:55,820 Our viewers are going to appreciate it. 405 00:23:55,820 --> 00:23:58,180 I promise that your story is going to resonate with others. 406 00:23:58,180 --> 00:24:00,420 And you're going to move. 407 00:24:00,420 --> 00:24:03,100 Your story is very moving to people. 408 00:24:03,100 --> 00:24:07,980 Because those in our country are looking for a reason 409 00:24:07,980 --> 00:24:11,140 to believe that their friends and their family who 410 00:24:11,140 --> 00:24:13,580 are in the thrall of MAGA can eventually leave 411 00:24:13,580 --> 00:24:15,620 and they can restore those relationships. 412 00:24:15,620 --> 00:24:18,380 It's why we also do videos here at Midas Touch with friends 413 00:24:18,380 --> 00:24:21,340 and family of those who are in MAGA. 414 00:24:21,340 --> 00:24:24,220 So I want to personally thank you. 415 00:24:24,220 --> 00:24:26,020 I want to thank you on behalf of the team. 416 00:24:26,020 --> 00:24:28,620 Where can the public find you? 417 00:24:28,620 --> 00:24:32,060 I know that we met originally via Twitter. 418 00:24:32,060 --> 00:24:35,780 So thank you for responding to my request and inquiry. 419 00:24:35,780 --> 00:24:39,060 But where can people find you out there on Twitter? 420 00:24:39,060 --> 00:24:39,780 What's your handle? 421 00:24:39,780 --> 00:24:40,900 Thank you for inviting me. 422 00:24:40,900 --> 00:24:41,980 Sure. 423 00:24:41,980 --> 00:24:45,100 What's your Twitter handle if anyone 424 00:24:45,100 --> 00:24:47,380 wants to connect with you? 425 00:24:47,380 --> 00:24:52,420 It's pattyann640. 426 00:24:52,420 --> 00:24:53,220 OK, we got it. 427 00:24:53,220 --> 00:24:55,020 pattyann640. 428 00:24:55,020 --> 00:24:57,820 Pattyann Giles from Virginia, thank you so much for joining us 429 00:24:57,820 --> 00:24:58,300 tonight. 430 00:24:58,300 --> 00:24:59,940 It was a real pleasure having you. 431 00:24:59,940 --> 00:25:00,740 Thank you. 432 00:25:00,740 --> 00:25:01,060 Hey, guys. 433 00:25:01,060 --> 00:25:03,020 If you like this video, make sure you subscribe 434 00:25:03,020 --> 00:25:05,540 so you don't miss any updates from the Midas Touch Network 435 00:25:05,540 --> 00:25:09,260 and Leaving MAGA here at leavingmaga.org. 436 00:25:09,260 --> 00:25:10,940 And if you left MAGA or you're having 437 00:25:10,940 --> 00:25:12,780 doubts about your support for Trump, 438 00:25:12,780 --> 00:25:16,220 or you've got friends or family who are in MAGA, 439 00:25:16,220 --> 00:25:17,420 we want to hear from you. 440 00:25:17,420 --> 00:25:21,660 So again, make sure you contact us at leavingmaga.org. 441 00:25:21,660 --> 00:25:24,020 As always, really appreciate you guys. 442 00:25:24,020 --> 00:25:25,380 Thanks so much for watching. 443 00:25:25,380 --> 00:25:26,340 Love this video? 444 00:25:26,340 --> 00:25:28,780 Make sure you stay up to date on the latest breaking news 445 00:25:28,780 --> 00:25:31,220 and all things Midas by signing up to the Midas Touch 446 00:25:31,220 --> 00:25:41,540 newsletter at MidasTouch.com slash newsletter.