النص الكامل لحلقة Fabian Rush July 18th 2026 Topic: Remote Viewing & Ingo Swann

Radio seeks to bring these stories of ghosts, bigfoot you have, 66 00:06:00.720 --> 00:06:05.000 and conspiracy theories to you. Here is Carl Richardson on 67 00:06:05.199 --> 00:06:06.560 Midnight Frequency Radio. 68 00:06:08.399 --> 00:06:11.480 Here I am, indeed, and our guest, Sabian Russia is 69 00:06:11.519 --> 00:06:14.879 with us. Good evening, mister Russian. Welcome to Midnight Frequency Radio. 70 00:06:15.639 --> 00:06:18.160 Good evening, Carl. It's so good to be here and 71 00:06:18.199 --> 00:06:18.839 talking with you. 72 00:06:20.040 --> 00:06:22.160 I guess the first place we should go tonight is 73 00:06:22.199 --> 00:06:26.720 a little bit about you. What got you interested in 74 00:06:26.839 --> 00:06:31.000 this subject? And I guess where did your journey begin? 75 00:06:32.000 --> 00:06:35.000 You know, I guess that's the perfect place to start. 76 00:06:35.680 --> 00:06:38.879 It's funny a lot of people in my personal life 77 00:06:38.959 --> 00:06:41.120 don't know me this way that, like you said in 78 00:06:41.160 --> 00:06:44.199 the intro, I'm a filmmaker and I've done all these 79 00:06:44.240 --> 00:06:48.240 other things. But what I have not talked about recently 80 00:06:48.959 --> 00:06:53.079 is early experiences I had as a really young person 81 00:06:53.319 --> 00:06:56.279 starting on when I was a really little kid, and 82 00:06:56.360 --> 00:07:00.240 then I guess I can briefly say that as a 83 00:07:00.279 --> 00:07:04.920 little kid, I started having what you would call like 84 00:07:05.000 --> 00:07:09.000 the predecessor of out of body experiences, where I would 85 00:07:09.079 --> 00:07:13.920 just imagine myself from different perspectives and things like that. 86 00:07:14.959 --> 00:07:18.800 So I had a very active imagination. And then it 87 00:07:19.680 --> 00:07:23.040 little things like that would happen where I would I 88 00:07:23.040 --> 00:07:25.759 would just slip out of my body and play in 89 00:07:25.839 --> 00:07:29.680 the yard or on a long drive. My parents would 90 00:07:29.759 --> 00:07:32.519 drive us from Virginia to New York and that was 91 00:07:33.560 --> 00:07:37.920 around eight hours, and I would slip out of my 92 00:07:37.959 --> 00:07:41.680 body and fly above the car, fly off into the distance, 93 00:07:41.839 --> 00:07:46.040 out of boredom, and then I would kind of phase 94 00:07:46.079 --> 00:07:48.439 back in. But I thought all that was still just 95 00:07:48.480 --> 00:07:54.839 my imagination. Then it was in high school in during 96 00:07:54.879 --> 00:08:02.720 the nineties that I started to meditate, mostly because I 97 00:08:02.879 --> 00:08:06.199 had anxiety issues on and off, and I thought, well, 98 00:08:06.279 --> 00:08:08.560 let me try and get a hold of myself. I'm 99 00:08:08.600 --> 00:08:13.079 having these mental health issues, so I hear meditations good 100 00:08:13.160 --> 00:08:16.160 for that. So I started breathing exercises and I would 101 00:08:16.759

--> 00:08:21.160 lie back on the couch in kind of this area 102 00:08:21.360 --> 00:08:25.759 of my parents' house where everybody was going to bed already, 103 00:08:25.800 --> 00:08:28.240 so it was just kind of me alone. So I 104 00:08:28.240 --> 00:08:32.080 would lie back, I would relax, close my eyes, do 105 00:08:32.200 --> 00:08:38.200 my breathing technique, and that is when I started slipping 106 00:08:38.240 --> 00:08:43.559 out of my body again. And for a while I thought, oh, well, 107 00:08:43.559 --> 00:08:46.879 this is my imagination running wild again. But there's my 108 00:08:46.960 --> 00:08:50.399 body on the couch, and let me see if I 109 00:08:50.440 --> 00:08:52.639 can just go in the backyard. So I would. I 110 00:08:52.679 --> 00:08:56.519 would leave the house, go into the backyard, float around 111 00:08:56.559 --> 00:09:00.360 a bit. And then now I was doing this metaation 112 00:09:00.960 --> 00:09:07.279 every night for months at this time, and I found 113 00:09:07.360 --> 00:09:09.559 I was able to go further and further away from 114 00:09:09.600 --> 00:09:14.840 the house. And one night I witnessed a car accident 115 00:09:15.799 --> 00:09:19.279 that was several miles from my home, and the next 116 00:09:19.399 --> 00:09:21.879 day I found out that there had actually been a 117 00:09:21.919 --> 00:09:26.039 car accident in that particular place that was far outside 118 00:09:26.039 --> 00:09:29.039 of my earshot. So this is not something I could 119 00:09:29.039 --> 00:09:32.840 have heard from my home, but I watched it happen, 120 00:09:34.279 --> 00:09:36.919 And next day I found out that somebody had died 121 00:09:37.120 --> 00:09:41.320 in that car accident, and that was the first time 122 00:09:41.399 --> 00:09:47.320 I thought, Wow, I think that was really really out 123 00:09:47.320 --> 00:09:49.960 of this world. I think I did something kind of 124 00:09:49.960 --> 00:09:56.679 real there. So that those were my earliest experiences and 125 00:09:56.879 --> 00:10:01.000 things definitely grew and became more intense. 126 00:10:01.080 --> 00:10:05.559 From there, was that the experience that completely changed your worldview? 127 00:10:06.519 --> 00:10:13.120 No, No, honestly, that was you know, at that point, 128 00:10:13.279 --> 00:10:17.559 on some level, I was still saying, this isn't this 129 00:10:17.679 --> 00:10:20.399 isn't real. This is just you know, I just have 130 00:10:20.440 --> 00:10:22.720 a really good imagination, and maybe I got a little 131 00:10:22.799 --> 00:10:27.840 lucky in terms of viewing something that I wasn't present for. 132 00:10:31.639 --> 00:10:34.279 So the life changing thing I would see. I would 133 00:10:34.519 --> 00:10:39.320 have visions of things, particularly in these outer body states. 134 00:10:40.480 --> 00:10:44.759 One thing that I will say this was life changing. 135 00:10:46.440 --> 00:10:54.240 I on one of these excursions, I saw some kind 136 00:10:54.279 --> 00:10:59.759 of a very unusual entity, a whole bunch of beings 137 00:11:00.559 --> 00:11:07.360 just kind of floating like these beautiful, luminous creatures. And 138 00:11:07.519 --> 00:11:14.440 so the next day I started drawing them. And now 139 00:11:14.600 --> 00:11:17.320 here I have to give a little bit of backstory. 140 00:11:17.679 --> 00:11:23.159 I was raised in a very Catholic, a very religious household, 141 00:11:24.039 --> 00:11:32.159 and these pictures were disturbing to my parents. So things went, 142 00:11:32.960 --> 00:11:35.240 Things got a little uncomfortable for a while. So I 143 00:11:35.320 --> 00:11:39.919 learned to stop talking about these experiences and certainly to 144 00:11:39.960 --> 00:11:42.960 stop drawing the pictures of things that I was seeing. 145 00:11:44.320 --> 00:11:49.360 And then a number of years later is when I 146 00:11:49.399 --> 00:11:52.919 started to see things online. Now, of course, back in 147 00:11:52.960 --> 00:11:56.480 the nineties, the internet was hardly something that was usable. 148 00:11:56.519 --> 00:12:02.320 It was nothing like it is today. So recently, within 149 00:12:02.360 --> 00:12:06.240 the last say ten years, I started seeing images of 150 00:12:06.440 --> 00:12:10.320 Bible accurate angels. Are you familiar with those that kind 151 00:12:10.320 --> 00:12:15.320 of imagery? Yes, yeah, Okay, well I started images of 152 00:12:15.360 --> 00:12:20.559 these things that were shown in the Bible, as in 153 00:12:20.600 --> 00:12:26.840 the Book of Ezekiel, these multi winged beings that those 154 00:12:26.840 --> 00:12:30.600 are the things I was drawing. And what was crazy 155 00:12:30.639 --> 00:12:32.559 to me is that I never would have thought it 156 00:12:32.600 --> 00:12:35.519 was an angel, because as a kid, as a person 157 00:12:35.559 --> 00:12:38.360 in high school, I thought that an angel was basically 158 00:12:38.399 --> 00:12:41.759 a person with wings, and so I never would have 159 00:12:41.799 --> 00:12:46.440 thought that I was seeing anything transcendent or unusual. I 160 00:12:46.480 --> 00:12:53.879 just thought I was seeing really bizarre essentially combinations of 161 00:12:53.879 --> 00:12:59.879 different animals but covered with wings, huge luminous wings all 162 00:13:00.279 --> 00:13:07.919 over them. I'm talking like between eight and probably twelve wings. 163 00:13:08.039 --> 00:13:10.799 It was this ridiculous looking so I thought, oh, well, 164 00:13:10.799 --> 00:13:14.759 that's definitely my imagination. So I think one of the 165 00:13:14.960 --> 00:13:18.720 life changing events was when I started seeing that imagery online. 166 00:13:18.799 --> 00:13:24.840 Later, when you first start an out of body experience, 167 00:13:25.000 --> 00:13:28.879 do you hear or fill a vibration. 168 00:13:30.440 --> 00:13:37.440 Yes, definitely, I would say one of the first yeah, 169 00:13:37.559 --> 00:13:39.639 right from the start, I

would say, you know, I 170 00:13:39.679 --> 00:13:42.240 told you that I would lie down on the couch 171 00:13:42.879 --> 00:13:47.879 and do my breathing exercises I would be doing, and 172 00:13:47.919 --> 00:13:50.759 it was just it wasn't any kind of special breathing. 173 00:13:50.879 --> 00:13:56.000 It was just nice, deep, relaxing breaths. And then after 174 00:13:56.279 --> 00:14:00.360 about maybe five minutes of breathing like that, my whole 175 00:14:00.360 --> 00:14:04.679 body just started vibrating, almost out of control. But it 176 00:14:04.679 --> 00:14:06.720 felt good. It wasn't It didn't feel like I was 177 00:14:06.759 --> 00:14:09.840 having a seizure or anything. It just I just felt 178 00:14:10.320 --> 00:14:15.120 this really pleasant vibration all over myself. And then on 179 00:14:15.159 --> 00:14:19.759 my next exhale is when my perspective it was like 180 00:14:19.879 --> 00:14:25.519 I exhaled myself and my perspective was almost from the 181 00:14:25.559 --> 00:14:31.200 perspective of my exhaled breath, and then that became my 182 00:14:31.320 --> 00:14:34.559 perspective for the remainder of the experience. 183 00:14:35.720 --> 00:14:38.840 I've spoken with others that have had out of body experience. 184 00:14:39.039 --> 00:14:43.600 Have you ever had a situation real or hands would 185 00:14:43.639 --> 00:14:48.559 reach up and try to grab your ankles and I 186 00:14:48.559 --> 00:14:51.200 guess pull you into their domain. I guess within the 187 00:14:52.240 --> 00:14:53.559 astro projection. 188 00:14:54.080 --> 00:14:58.440 That is a very funny question. You know, it's I 189 00:14:58.480 --> 00:15:04.200 had not thought of it quite way you asked. I. So, yes, 190 00:15:04.399 --> 00:15:08.240 I have experienced the hands, but it wasn't something I 191 00:15:08.279 --> 00:15:13.559 saw coming. I've often thought of it as my imagination 192 00:15:13.759 --> 00:15:18.720 was hijacked and that I was having. Now, this happened 193 00:15:18.759 --> 00:15:21.200 after I was already out of my body. I'm just 194 00:15:21.240 --> 00:15:26.120 floating around and I was flying, and then I felt 195 00:15:26.159 --> 00:15:32.639 myself get grabbed or seized. And that's how I was 196 00:15:32.679 --> 00:15:39.240 often shown things, just grabbed and then taken somewhere specific. 197 00:15:41.519 --> 00:15:44.639 Others have spoke about that. I've never had an out 198 00:15:44.679 --> 00:15:47.240 of body experience, but I believe with that point that 199 00:15:47.279 --> 00:15:52.639 would scare me back enough to snack me back. I've 200 00:15:52.679 --> 00:15:57.320 had Marilyn hughes on and she's discussed that, and some 201 00:15:57.480 --> 00:16:02.879 other people that have been involved with astro projection and 202 00:16:02.919 --> 00:16:07.480 out of body experiences. Okay, were you always interested in 203 00:16:07.519 --> 00:16:08.840 these topics? 204 00:16:09.879 --> 00:16:10.200 Well? 205 00:16:10.279 --> 00:16:12.240 Did skepticism kind of come first? 206 00:16:12.960 --> 00:16:18.840 Skepticism? It was always skepticism. Wow, you know, even when 207 00:16:18.879 --> 00:16:23.679 I had these experiences, I think the skepticism came about 208 00:16:24.320 --> 00:16:27.159 because I learned not to talk about these things so much. 209 00:16:27.679 --> 00:16:31.960 People did not react to unusual stuff like what I 210 00:16:32.000 --> 00:16:37.279 was experiencing well, so I thought, on one level, I thought, 211 00:16:37.279 --> 00:16:42.720 maybe I'm crazy, And then on every other level, I said, 212 00:16:42.799 --> 00:16:45.679 I have to be skeptical about this because I'm actually 213 00:16:45.720 --> 00:16:50.679 more of a scientific minded person. I love science, and 214 00:16:52.200 --> 00:16:56.360 though I was raised Catholic, I started to veer away 215 00:16:56.799 --> 00:17:01.240 a bit from a religion a bit, mostly because of 216 00:17:01.279 --> 00:17:03.879 some of the things that I had witnessed. They didn't 217 00:17:03.919 --> 00:17:07.200 seem to line up with my understanding of religion at 218 00:17:07.200 --> 00:17:10.200 that time. Now I think some of those things may 219 00:17:10.200 --> 00:17:14.200 have changed a little bit, but for the most part, yes, 220 00:17:14.279 --> 00:17:21.559 I was always skeptical until decades later, around twenty fifteen, 221 00:17:21.759 --> 00:17:23.799 when I first learned about Ingo swan. 222 00:17:25.759 --> 00:17:28.559 All a religious aspect And you don't have to ask 223 00:17:28.960 --> 00:17:32.359 answer this if you don't wish to, but were a 224 00:17:32.400 --> 00:17:37.640 lot of the religious issues you had around the church leadership? 225 00:17:40.319 --> 00:17:45.759 That's a good question. The issues I suppose I had 226 00:17:45.839 --> 00:17:50.519 issues of why am I supposed to be afraid of 227 00:17:50.640 --> 00:17:56.880 this or that? Because I was I was given the 228 00:17:57.039 --> 00:18:01.160 sensation that I was told, essentially that what I was 229 00:18:01.200 --> 00:18:03.519 doing and the things I was seeing were kind of 230 00:18:03.559 --> 00:18:08.200 related to witchcraft, and as a young person, I think 231 00:18:08.240 --> 00:18:13.519 that sent me into a state of rebellion. So no, 232 00:18:13.839 --> 00:18:20.160 I wouldn't blame church leadership necessarily. I would blame my 233 00:18:20.519 --> 00:18:25.720 own perception of what I thought religion was supposed to mean. 234 00:18:27.160 --> 00:18:31.200 And I thought things were so simple because it's you know, 235 00:18:31.359 --> 00:18:34.359 when you go to church, it's taught on a very 236 00:18:34.400 --> 00:18:38.279 simple level where everything just kind of is laid out 237 00:18:38.319 --> 00:18:41.759 for you, and it all makes very good sense. But 238 00:18:41.960 --> 00:18:46.559 when you start to witness things that people would call 239 00:18:46.680 --> 00:18:50.400 religious experiences, there's

nothing simple about it. And then suddenly 240 00:18:50.799 --> 00:18:56.160 I found myself questioning everything because I was seeing things 241 00:18:56.440 --> 00:19:01.000 out of the context that was laid out for me 242 00:19:01.440 --> 00:19:02.680 in the religious world. 243 00:19:04.039 --> 00:19:06.920 Yeah, I've been exposed to a number of religions. I 244 00:19:06.960 --> 00:19:12.000 was raised Southern Baptists, my mother got involved with Jehovah's Witnesses, 245 00:19:12.200 --> 00:19:14.519 and my wife is Catholic, so we go to the 246 00:19:14.559 --> 00:19:19.839 Catholic church. Okay, So I've seen so many different aspects 247 00:19:19.880 --> 00:19:24.160 of it. I've seen some church leaders that seem to 248 00:19:25.400 --> 00:19:31.680 relay their thoughts on how things should be besides what's 249 00:19:31.680 --> 00:19:35.799 actually written into Bible. So I've had different perspectives in 250 00:19:35.839 --> 00:19:38.720 front of me that makes me question things. 251 00:19:38.759 --> 00:19:42.440 You know what I'm saying, Yes, actually it sounds very 252 00:19:42.440 --> 00:19:46.119 similar to what I was dealing with, because a lot 253 00:19:46.200 --> 00:19:52.799 of people bring their own perspectives into religion, and that 254 00:19:53.079 --> 00:19:58.880 can contort the message a lot of the time. And 255 00:19:59.440 --> 00:20:03.119 what's in trusting in during out of body experiences. Now, 256 00:20:03.839 --> 00:20:06.160 A lot of what I was learning in church, and 257 00:20:06.200 --> 00:20:09.160 I guess this is probably a common experience in religion, 258 00:20:09.759 --> 00:20:13.359 is that so much of it is human centric. And 259 00:20:13.559 --> 00:20:17.039 what I was experiencing every time I would have an 260 00:20:17.039 --> 00:20:21.559 out of body experience, the human experience would diminish along 261 00:20:21.599 --> 00:20:26.319 with it, and I would become so distant from what 262 00:20:26.359 --> 00:20:30.079 it means to be human that I don't know. This 263 00:20:30.200 --> 00:20:32.920 is kind of strange. I almost don't know where I'm 264 00:20:32.960 --> 00:20:36.640 going with this sentence, because there's something about being human 265 00:20:37.079 --> 00:20:40.920 that becomes less important the further you are away from 266 00:20:41.000 --> 00:20:42.559 your body. Does that make sense? 267 00:20:43.440 --> 00:20:47.400 Yeah, And if you look at any saying as earthly realm, 268 00:20:47.599 --> 00:20:54.440 you have to understand religious was written for beyond that level. Yes, So, yes, 269 00:20:55.000 --> 00:20:56.839 I agree with you. There a lot of what space 270 00:20:56.920 --> 00:21:00.960 too much about humanity itself and not what's going on. 271 00:21:02.240 --> 00:21:05.359 Yes, i'd have that. I think that I think we've 272 00:21:05.400 --> 00:21:07.039 come to an agreement. I think that's what I was 273 00:21:07.079 --> 00:21:09.759 trying to say. That, yes, when when I'm

not in 274 00:21:09.759 --> 00:21:12.680 the human body, there's so much that does not apply 275 00:21:13.480 --> 00:21:18.000 to what I then find myself to be, especially if 276 00:21:18.039 --> 00:21:22.680 I leave the earth or or find myself amongst animals, 277 00:21:23.599 --> 00:21:27.920 just outside of human civilizations like the city, Say I 278 00:21:28.000 --> 00:21:31.400 find myself in a jungle or in an arctic region. 279 00:21:32.839 --> 00:21:38.839 They're in those places you don't get a sense of right, wrong, 280 00:21:39.000 --> 00:21:42.240 good and bad, sin, all those religious concepts. 281 00:21:42.599 --> 00:21:47.799 You're suddenly just being Yeah, you're not bombarded from every 282 00:21:47.839 --> 00:21:53.720 direction with this this jargon. So yeah, who were some 283 00:21:53.759 --> 00:21:56.240 of your biggest influences early. 284 00:21:56.000 --> 00:22:03.119 On in terms of what we're talking about? Well, you know, honestly, 285 00:22:03.200 --> 00:22:08.720 my biggest influences were a filmmakers. I loved science fiction. 286 00:22:09.039 --> 00:22:13.400 I've always been into things like Star Trek and so 287 00:22:13.599 --> 00:22:17.720 I've always loved aliens things like that, so that was 288 00:22:17.759 --> 00:22:25.279 always fun. So in general, my influences were science fiction directors, producers, 289 00:22:26.079 --> 00:22:30.559 essentially Hollywood filmmakers. So I enjoyed that. But in terms 290 00:22:30.640 --> 00:22:33.119 of more of the things that we're talking about, I'd 291 00:22:33.119 --> 00:22:36.759 have to say, my only inspiration that I can really 292 00:22:36.799 --> 00:22:42.039 think of right now is Ingo Swan, because once I 293 00:22:42.240 --> 00:22:46.519 learned that other people experienced some of the same things 294 00:22:46.559 --> 00:22:53.079 I did. It made me, It made my skepticism step 295 00:22:53.119 --> 00:22:55.960 back a little bit, and then I was able to 296 00:22:56.039 --> 00:22:59.880 revisit things that I forced myself to stop thinking about. 297 00:23:00.519 --> 00:23:05.640 And it really came about as a justification for the 298 00:23:05.640 --> 00:23:10.599 things that I experienced. When I read Penetration and learned 299 00:23:10.640 --> 00:23:16.079 that he essentially astrally projected his consciousness to the Moon, 300 00:23:16.799 --> 00:23:21.039 I thought, Wow, I've done things similar. I haven't gone 301 00:23:21.079 --> 00:23:25.119 to the Moon, but I've been off planet. I've hovered 302 00:23:25.240 --> 00:23:28.240 above the Earth, and I've done things like that. I 303 00:23:28.319 --> 00:23:31.200 just hadn't thought about that in decades. What an amazing thing. 304 00:23:31.799 --> 00:23:35.559 Oh and not only that, he was also studied and 305 00:23:35.640 --> 00:23:39.480 funded by the US government. So then suddenly I learned 306 00:23:39.799 --> 00:23:43.599 that the things I was keeping quiet about were things 307 00:23:43.640 --> 00:23:47.519 that the government during the nineteen seventies studied very deeply, 308 00:23:47.680 --> 00:23:50.880 and they took it very seriously. So there go my 309 00:23:51.000 --> 00:23:52.279 inspirations right there. 310 00:23:54.000 --> 00:23:56.119 So how did you first discover and go? Was it 311 00:23:56.160 --> 00:23:59.799 to his books? Are workshops or something? 312 00:24:01.119 --> 00:24:06.079 Actually I was watching one of those random documentaries on 313 00:24:06.720 --> 00:24:10.519 UFO abductions and things like that, you know those videos 314 00:24:10.519 --> 00:24:13.799 you can find on streaming networks and on YouTube. I 315 00:24:13.920 --> 00:24:18.480 like watching that stuff. I was always fascinated by alien abduction. 316 00:24:19.480 --> 00:24:24.279 And one of these it was a podcast or something 317 00:24:24.359 --> 00:24:30.960 that happened to be on YouTube about extraterrestrial bases on 318 00:24:31.039 --> 00:24:35.359 the Moon and that book that was written in the 319 00:24:35.440 --> 00:24:39.880 seventies by I think it is George Leonard somebody Else's 320 00:24:39.920 --> 00:24:43.279 on the Moon. And so I was watching that documentary 321 00:24:43.279 --> 00:24:45.440 and then they mentioned a person who had sent their 322 00:24:45.519 --> 00:24:49.759 consciousness there, and it immediately made me tune in to 323 00:24:49.839 --> 00:24:54.000 what was being said, and they said, yes, well, this 324 00:24:55.279 --> 00:25:01.319 psychic named Ingo Swan was prompted to send his consciousness 325 00:25:01.400 --> 00:25:07.519 to the Moon to specific coordinates, and he was able 326 00:25:07.559 --> 00:25:10.279 to do this, and he saw these structures up close 327 00:25:10.440 --> 00:25:16.400 and there were people, and that really shocked me because 328 00:25:16.680 --> 00:25:22.440 that right there was right in line with my younger experiences. 329 00:25:23.039 --> 00:25:25.359 So that's that's really what did it. 330 00:25:25.480 --> 00:25:28.039 His rearing of these structures and things. Were they on 331 00:25:28.079 --> 00:25:30.640 the dark side of the moon facing away from us? 332 00:25:30.839 --> 00:25:35.359 Are That's a good question you'd have to assume. So, 333 00:25:36.160 --> 00:25:41.079 but as far as all the documentation goes that I've seen, 334 00:25:41.160 --> 00:25:45.119 and I think that's publicly available, he was just giving 335 00:25:45.160 --> 00:25:50.039 coordinates and not we don't know exactly what those coordinates 336 00:25:50.079 --> 00:25:53.480 were or exactly on what side of the Moon. I 337 00:25:53.519 --> 00:25:57.960 think people have guessed that these are in craters. Some 338 00:25:58.039 --> 00:26:01.599 of the craters might be visible from our side, but 339 00:26:02.559 --> 00:26:06.119 at that time that he was doing the viewing of 340 00:26:06.160 --> 00:26:10.440 these places, he only had coordinates, and this is just 341 00:26:10.839 --> 00:26:14.920 Moon

coordinates, so you can't even really guess from the 342 00:26:14.960 --> 00:26:15.880 Earth's perspective. 343 00:26:17.799 --> 00:26:19.960 I have a break coming up here and then we'll 344 00:26:20.000 --> 00:26:21.519 be able to go for an hour. But I wanted 345 00:26:21.519 --> 00:26:24.119 to ask you, are you familiar with the story of 346 00:26:24.160 --> 00:26:25.400 Apollo twenty. 347 00:26:26.599 --> 00:26:29.680 I am? Is that the I believe that's one that 348 00:26:29.720 --> 00:26:33.279 there was some video footage that was shown that was 349 00:26:33.319 --> 00:26:37.319 released on YouTube. Is that correct? Yeah, yes, I've seen. 350 00:26:37.119 --> 00:26:40.119 That, and I think they went to the landing side 351 00:26:40.119 --> 00:26:44.960 of Pollo nineteen that never returned and found a female 352 00:26:45.000 --> 00:26:48.640 alien entity within the capsule that was I don't know 353 00:26:48.640 --> 00:26:53.160 if she was in suspended animation type or was deceased. 354 00:26:53.559 --> 00:26:57.119 But it's an interesting story, and a lot of people 355 00:26:57.200 --> 00:27:01.920 have attempted to debunk it. Yes, but but you know 356 00:27:01.960 --> 00:27:03.079 how that goes. 357 00:27:02.960 --> 00:27:08.279 One person, there will always be debunkers. But I've seen 358 00:27:08.319 --> 00:27:11.720 that footage and I thought, you know, this is actually 359 00:27:11.880 --> 00:27:16.119 very well done. As a filmmaker, I have to appreciate 360 00:27:17.319 --> 00:27:20.119 if that was done on film, it had to have 361 00:27:20.319 --> 00:27:24.920 a very good budget, so this was not a small 362 00:27:25.000 --> 00:27:30.680 indie production. A great deal of research and money has 363 00:27:30.720 --> 00:27:33.680 to go into creating something like that, even down to 364 00:27:33.720 --> 00:27:37.880 that female alien that they found. So I can't say 365 00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:42.720 it's I can prove it's real or otherwise. I know 366 00:27:42.799 --> 00:27:46.480 people who have remote viewed that site, and from their perspective, 367 00:27:46.720 --> 00:27:49.960 it did come across as real to them. 368 00:27:50.319 --> 00:27:52.759 I love seeing it. I've seen the cases where they've 369 00:27:52.759 --> 00:27:55.240 tried to debunk it. I've seen the cases where they've 370 00:27:55.240 --> 00:27:59.000 debunked the debunkers. So you know, you never know on 371 00:27:59.160 --> 00:28:01.960 something like that. It's like the case with Jonathan Reid. 372 00:28:04.279 --> 00:28:07.720 I know him personally, I believe his story, but there 373 00:28:07.720 --> 00:28:10.559 are so many things out there that say it it 374 00:28:10.839 --> 00:28:13.799 never happens. So you know, what can you do? Yeah, 375 00:28:14.960 --> 00:28:17.759 all right, we'll take our first break and then we 376 00:28:17.839 --> 00:28:20.599 won't have to take another one to the bottom of 377 00:28:20.640 --> 00:28:22.319 the second hour. Is that good with you? 378 00:28:22.880 --> 00:28:23.960 Sounds great? Thank you? 379 00:28:24.119 --> 00:28:57.960 All right, We'll be right back. 380 00:28:48.960 --> 00:28:51.960 Last night, adjamp on something. 381 00:28:57.720 --> 00:28:59.759 So girl with HI. 382 00:29:18.640 --> 00:29:22.160 This is Dark Space's News. I'm Joshua Stark. A new 383 00:29:22.200 --> 00:29:26.799 clinical trial is offering hope for patients with advanced stomach 384 00:29:26.960 --> 00:29:34.400 and gastro esophageal junction cancers. Researchers tested an experimental cart 385 00:29:34.759 --> 00:29:40.640 cell therapy called cytrus cell, a personalized treatment that reprograms 386 00:29:40.680 --> 00:29:45.039 a patient's own immune cells to attack cancer carrying a 387 00:29:45.079 --> 00:29:51.319 protein known as CLDN one point eight point two. The 388 00:29:51.359 --> 00:29:55.079 phase two trial involved one hundred and fifty six patients 389 00:29:55.119 --> 00:30:00.200 in China whose cancers had already stopped responding to standard treatment. 390 00:30:01.519 --> 00:30:06.279 Participants receiving the car T cell therapy were compared with 391 00:30:06.359 --> 00:30:11.599 others receiving their physician's choice of chemotherapy and targeted drugs. 392 00:30:12.319 --> 00:30:18.119 The results were encouraging. Patients treated with satricell went significantly 393 00:30:18.240 --> 00:30:22.279 longer before their cancer progressed, more than three months on average, 394 00:30:22.319 --> 00:30:26.319 compared to less than two months for standard treatment. The 395 00:30:26.319 --> 00:30:30.480 therapy also cut the risk of disease progression or death 396 00:30:30.799 --> 00:30:35.599 by roughly sixty three percent. Tumors shrank in about thirty 397 00:30:35.640 --> 00:30:40.839 percent of patients receiving the car T treatment. While responses 398 00:30:40.920 --> 00:30:45.440 were far less common with conventional therapies, as expected with 399 00:30:45.599 --> 00:30:50.039 car T cell treatments, side effects were common. 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Association for Amateur Radio, has over two thousand 411 00:31:29.400 --> 00:31:40.039 clubs across the country, including this one in your area. 412 00:31:41.680 --> 00:31:46.000 Reports of bigfoot are once again making headlines in Ohio, 413 00:31:46.480 --> 00:31:50.559 where a recent wave of alleged sightings has reignited one 414 00:31:50.559 --> 00:31:55.440 of America's longest running mysteries. The latest report comes from 415 00:31:55.440 --> 00:32:00.160 a wetlands preserve near Ashland, where a college profer us 416 00:32:00.440 --> 00:32:03.680 says he and his wife discovered a series of large 417 00:32:03.720 --> 00:32:08.440 bearfoot human like tracks measuring up to sixteen inches long. 418 00:32:09.000 --> 00:32:12.799 The witness also reported hearing loud knocking sounds in the 419 00:32:12.839 --> 00:32:18.119 woods before photographing the prints. The claim follows a surge 420 00:32:18.200 --> 00:32:24.039 of reported encounters across northeast Ohio. Over the past several weeks, 421 00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:30.680 witnesses have described tall, dark, hairy creatures walking upright, along 422 00:32:30.759 --> 00:32:36.279 with strange vocalizations, heavy footsteps, and an overpowering musky odor. 423 00:32:36.799 --> 00:32:41.039 Bigfoot researchers save the concentration of reports is unusual enough 424 00:32:41.519 --> 00:32:47.039 to qualify as a Bigfoot flap, a period when multiple 425 00:32:47.079 --> 00:32:50.880 sightings occur in the same region over a short time, 426 00:32:51.519 --> 00:32:54.720 but despite the growing number of eyewitness accounts, there is 427 00:32:54.759 --> 00:32:59.559 still no verified physical evidence. Wildlife experts note that black 428 00:32:59.599 --> 00:33:03.160 bears can sometimes stand or walk briefly on their hind 429 00:33:03.240 --> 00:33:07.000 legs and may be mistaken for something more mysterious, especially 430 00:33:07.039 --> 00:33:11.359 in poor lighting or dense forest. Whether the reports point 431 00:33:11.400 --> 00:33:17.359 to misidentified wildlife, visited imagination, or something still unexplained, the 432 00:33:17.440 --> 00:33:20.119 latest sightings have once again put Ohio at the center 433 00:33:20.480 --> 00:33:24.759 of the Bigfoot debate, and the legends shows no signs 434 00:33:24.799 --> 00:33:28.519 of disappearing. Catch up with dark spaces News on the 435 00:33:28.599 --> 00:33:33.319 dark spaces News Facebook page and darkspacesnews dot Com. From Memphis, Tennessee, 436 00:33:33.480 --> 00:33:34.680 I'm Joshua. 437 00:33:34.240 --> 00:34:07.079 Stark, somebil and Morning winners straight. 438 00:34:11.760 --> 00:34:13.079 I'm gonna. 439 00:34:14.320 --> 00:34:25.400 Ammuging and maybe tell you thatout Ladra. 440 00:34:26.960 --> 00:34:29.639 Want to take a journey into the unknown from the 441 00:34:29.639 --> 00:34:34.360 Ozark Foothills of Arkansas. This is Midnight Frequency Radio with 442 00:34:34.559 --> 00:34:39.400 Carl Richardson, exclusively on the night Watch Digital Network. Now 443 00:34:39.679 --> 00:34:40.400 here's Carl. 444 00:34:43.159 --> 00:34:47.320 We're back with Fabian Rush. Fabian, Who do you feel 445 00:34:47.480 --> 00:34:52.360 Ingle Swan was beyond the well? Beyond the person? I 446 00:34:52.360 --> 00:34:54.639 guess we should say, wow. 447 00:34:55.320 --> 00:34:59.159 You know that is a wonderful question. Did you say, 448 00:34:59.159 --> 00:35:00.320 who do I feel he was? 449 00:35:00.559 --> 00:35:00.840 Yes? 450 00:35:01.199 --> 00:35:05.480 Yeah, you know. I'm I'll tell you this. I've been 451 00:35:05.519 --> 00:35:11.000 working on a documentary series with Ellie Flippin, Ingo's niece 452 00:35:11.880 --> 00:35:18.400 for a few years now, and my mind has been 453 00:35:18.440 --> 00:35:23.280 blown over and over again. For a while, it was 454 00:35:23.320 --> 00:35:26.800 being blown every single week as I would learn additional 455 00:35:26.840 --> 00:35:33.079 aspects of him. So I'd say, there's the public version 456 00:35:33.159 --> 00:35:38.280 of Ingo that everybody knows in you know, if you're 457 00:35:38.280 --> 00:35:41.280 interested in UFOs and if you're interested in remote viewing, 458 00:35:41.880 --> 00:35:44.800 you know of him as the person who would go 459 00:35:44.880 --> 00:35:49.199 to the conferences and then do a talk about the 460 00:35:49.239 --> 00:35:53.400 things he's seen and done, and it's all very professional 461 00:35:53.719 --> 00:35:57.519 and neat, and he's in this lovely suit. But the 462 00:35:57.760 --> 00:36:01.280 Ingo that I've come to know over the years is 463 00:36:01.800 --> 00:36:08.280 a party animal of what an amazing character. It's so funny. 464 00:36:08.400 --> 00:36:15.840 Ellie gave me hundreds of his personal pictures and effects. 465 00:36:17.000 --> 00:36:19.559 So I have all these things sitting in my in 466 00:36:19.639 --> 00:36:24.000 my office now that I'm going through while working on 467 00:36:24.039 --> 00:36:29.639 this documentary and trying to learn about him. And he 468 00:36:29.760 --> 00:36:34.920 used to have these wonderful wild dinner parties. He would 469 00:36:35.039 --> 00:36:39.679 go to Studio fifty four and in the seventies and. 470 00:36:39.800 --> 00:36:43.599 Yeah, big disco man. 471 00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:50.039 Just the people don't know how human and how fun 472 00:36:50.280 --> 00:36:54.320 he was. And that is what has been one of 473 00:36:54.320 --> 00:36:57.920 my better, my greater pleasures over the last few years 474 00:36:58.039 --> 00:37:02.199 is getting to know him. Now. He passed away in 475 00:37:02.239 --> 00:37:05.519 twenty thirteen, so sadly I never got to meet him 476 00:37:05.559 --> 00:37:09.119 in person. I didn't learn about him until after he 477 00:37:09.239 --> 00:37:15.199 was gone. So Ellie has been wonderful to kind of 478 00:37:15.320 --> 00:37:18.079 introduce me to him in the same way that she 479 00:37:18.199 --> 00:37:22.199

knew him. So I have an inside scoop on him. 480 00:37:22.639 --> 00:37:25.800 And you know she gave Now I say she gave 481 00:37:25.840 --> 00:37:29.679 me these pictures. It's alone so that once I'm finished 482 00:37:29.679 --> 00:37:33.119 with these, I can take it and add it to 483 00:37:33.199 --> 00:37:38.199 his archive at the University of West Georgia. And so 484 00:37:38.360 --> 00:37:42.360 for now I'm scanning these images in I'm going over 485 00:37:43.119 --> 00:37:47.800 his military service record on all these different things, and 486 00:37:48.679 --> 00:37:53.119 so yes, I knowing that I can't possibly be the 487 00:37:53.119 --> 00:37:58.559 first filmmaker to take interest in Ingo, I had to 488 00:37:58.599 --> 00:38:02.599 ask Ellie, like, wow, Ellie, of everyone, why is it 489 00:38:03.239 --> 00:38:07.960 that you trust me with all of this information, this 490 00:38:08.119 --> 00:38:14.039 personal information about Ingo? And it was funny. She just 491 00:38:14.079 --> 00:38:17.599 said to me, because you're a lot like him, You 492 00:38:17.880 --> 00:38:22.519 have his same energy. You guys both do a lot 493 00:38:22.599 --> 00:38:24.280 of the same things, and you share a lot of 494 00:38:24.320 --> 00:38:28.960 the same experiences. It blew my mind when she told 495 00:38:28.960 --> 00:38:31.920 me that, But then as I got to know him more, 496 00:38:32.039 --> 00:38:34.920 I started to see more and more of the similarities 497 00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:35.840 between our lives. 498 00:38:36.559 --> 00:38:38.840 Yeah, that's an honor in itself. 499 00:38:39.400 --> 00:38:42.960 Yes, I think that's how I got the job, and 500 00:38:43.159 --> 00:38:46.280 it has just been a wild ride ever since. But yes, 501 00:38:46.400 --> 00:38:52.320 the Ingo I've come to know was a deeply thoughtful person. 502 00:38:53.199 --> 00:38:56.320 Yes he could party. Oh the man could drink, and 503 00:38:56.400 --> 00:39:01.719 yes he loved cigars. But at the same time, he 504 00:39:02.480 --> 00:39:08.920 also questioned absolutely everything, even his own experiences. He would say, now, 505 00:39:09.679 --> 00:39:13.400 I was told to travel to the moon, but I 506 00:39:13.440 --> 00:39:16.559 was probably off. I'm not one hundred percent accurate. He 507 00:39:17.320 --> 00:39:22.960 was always wanting to make sure that things were as 508 00:39:24.119 --> 00:39:28.079 he wanted everything to be testable, and he didn't like 509 00:39:28.719 --> 00:39:33.159 information that could not be proven and respected. And he 510 00:39:33.239 --> 00:39:38.719 really invited criticism and he wanted that peer review. So 511 00:39:38.840 --> 00:39:42.239 he is not a psychic that was going off and 512 00:39:43.320 --> 00:39:48.840 making blind claims. He was somebody who was rigorously tested 513 00:39:49.679 --> 00:39:55.559 in laboratory settings by physicists. And that is the person 514 00:39:55.920 --> 00:39:59.880 that has become famous now. So we know

about Ingo 515 00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:06.119 because of that rigor and the millions of government spending 516 00:40:06.199 --> 00:40:08.599 that went directly into his program. 517 00:40:08.840 --> 00:40:12.599 My next guest question was what was what do you 518 00:40:12.639 --> 00:40:15.480 feel made himself unique? But I think you just answered 519 00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:21.519 that and everything you previous previously said. So how did 520 00:40:21.519 --> 00:40:25.800 he become involved with government research? Did they approach him 521 00:40:25.960 --> 00:40:27.960 or did he volunteer. 522 00:40:27.559 --> 00:40:32.000 Or well, now here this is there's a fun backstory 523 00:40:32.199 --> 00:40:35.840 to a lot of this. I mentioned his parties. When 524 00:40:35.840 --> 00:40:38.360 he was in New York, he would have a lot 525 00:40:38.360 --> 00:40:40.719 of a lot of dinner parties and and he was 526 00:40:40.760 --> 00:40:45.519 invited to a lot. In particular, he went to uh 527 00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:51.079 the these parties with a woman named Zelda Sepli, and 528 00:40:51.559 --> 00:40:55.719 they would have Virgo parties. And at these Virgo parties, 529 00:40:55.760 --> 00:41:00.599 a lot of uh very interesting people would attend, so 530 00:41:01.639 --> 00:41:06.480 members of the CIA, various other personnel in government. She 531 00:41:06.679 --> 00:41:10.960 was highly connected and some people believe that she was 532 00:41:11.079 --> 00:41:15.679 in intelligence herself. So there were a lot of interesting 533 00:41:15.719 --> 00:41:22.239 people coming to these parties, including physicists as well. And 534 00:41:23.280 --> 00:41:26.480 Ellie and I uncovered that even though it was called 535 00:41:26.480 --> 00:41:29.519 a virgo party, a lot of the people in attendance 536 00:41:29.599 --> 00:41:35.119 were not virgos. We have the theory that these high 537 00:41:35.199 --> 00:41:40.480 ranking people were attending these parties specifically to meet Ingo, 538 00:41:41.719 --> 00:41:45.960 and now that is a bold claim, but he and 539 00:41:46.079 --> 00:41:49.559 Zelda were the only two virgos at these parties, so 540 00:41:49.719 --> 00:41:53.440 it made us question a lot of things. But yes, 541 00:41:54.920 --> 00:41:59.280 a lot of the government testings started with people who 542 00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:03.599 were attending these parties, the first of which one of 543 00:42:03.639 --> 00:42:09.360 the big ones was doctor Gertrude Smidler, who was She 544 00:42:09.480 --> 00:42:12.880 worked at one of the universities I want to say 545 00:42:12.880 --> 00:42:14.800 it was one of the universities in New York. The 546 00:42:14.880 --> 00:42:18.719 name is slipping my mind right at the moment. But 547 00:42:19.440 --> 00:42:25.440 she ran a experiment with him where he was manipulating 548 00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:30.480 the temperature using his mind inside of thermisters that she 549 00:42:30.599 --> 00:42:34.159 had set up.

So she is one of these scientists 550 00:42:34.239 --> 00:42:39.440 who had equipment with a desire to test things that 551 00:42:39.480 --> 00:42:42.360 she had heard about him and things that she had 552 00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:47.159 possibly even witnessed at some of these parties. So it 553 00:42:47.280 --> 00:42:53.159 started off small, with parties where he would do unusual 554 00:42:53.400 --> 00:43:01.039 things that seemed very peculiar or mystical. Almost he was 555 00:43:01.079 --> 00:43:07.199 getting the attention of scientists. I mentioned Gertrude Schmidler, and so, yes, 556 00:43:07.320 --> 00:43:11.239 it I think it really mostly started with her. I 557 00:43:11.280 --> 00:43:15.440 also mentioned her in the documentary because it was her 558 00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:21.119 work with Ingo that eventually caught the attention of the 559 00:43:21.119 --> 00:43:27.000 physicists at Stanford Research Institute. That's how put Off and 560 00:43:27.400 --> 00:43:30.639 Russell targ So it kind of blew up from there. 561 00:43:30.639 --> 00:43:32.239 But it started with the little parties. 562 00:43:32.639 --> 00:43:36.119 So Gertrude was probably the first to recognize his abilities. 563 00:43:37.079 --> 00:43:40.199 I would say she was among the first. Okay, definitely 564 00:43:40.239 --> 00:43:45.639 among the first. There were several people psychologists at the 565 00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:49.360 same time that that would have been at these parties 566 00:43:49.400 --> 00:43:54.519 to see this and actually, gosh, this is rough. You know, 567 00:43:54.679 --> 00:43:58.239 It's it's late at night here here in my time zone. 568 00:43:58.280 --> 00:44:03.760 It's almost eleven PM, so strangely, strangely, I can't believe 569 00:44:04.320 --> 00:44:07.079 I'm forgetting the name of the plant guy, the guy 570 00:44:07.119 --> 00:44:14.159 who ran experiments on plants and tested their ability to 571 00:44:14.239 --> 00:44:15.559 communicate with one another. 572 00:44:15.920 --> 00:44:17.639 I know who you're talking about. What I'm the same 573 00:44:17.719 --> 00:44:20.079 with you. I can't remember his name. 574 00:44:20.599 --> 00:44:25.320 I am googling him right now to try and find him. 575 00:44:25.360 --> 00:44:29.159 This is what an unusual thing, because I never I 576 00:44:29.320 --> 00:44:32.679 never forget this, and I almost hope you can cut 577 00:44:32.679 --> 00:44:34.800 this out even while I do a quick search here. 578 00:44:35.280 --> 00:44:37.480 Oh, I can do that in editing. But go ahead, 579 00:44:37.960 --> 00:44:39.599 it's no problem. You can look stuff up. 580 00:44:40.119 --> 00:44:42.039 Okay, yeah, let me just take a quick look here, 581 00:44:42.079 --> 00:44:44.320 because I can't believe that my mind is given up 582 00:44:44.320 --> 00:44:44.880 on me here. 583 00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:47.440 At my age, mine gives up on me often. 584 00:44:47.840 --> 00:44:52.280 So here we go. All right, I'm ready to resume 585 00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:57.800 the scientist's name. Now, this was a former CIA interrogation 586 00:44:57.960 --> 00:44:59.880 specialist names Cleve Baxter. 587 00:45:00.400 --> 00:45:01.800 Oh yeah, yeah, So. 588 00:45:02.199 --> 00:45:06.119 Cleve Baxter also met NGO at one of these parties. 589 00:45:07.159 --> 00:45:10.360 So the interesting thing here is how many of the 590 00:45:10.400 --> 00:45:14.880 big scientists that everybody's heard of that met him specifically 591 00:45:14.880 --> 00:45:17.159 at parties and then went on to work with him. 592 00:45:17.599 --> 00:45:21.280 What roles did Russell Targan Harold Pietroth's play. 593 00:45:22.639 --> 00:45:25.880 Well, they were both I think they were specializing at 594 00:45:25.920 --> 00:45:31.320 Stanford Research Institute in laser physics, just doing various experiments 595 00:45:31.880 --> 00:45:37.239 at the university, and they kind of backed into psychic research. 596 00:45:37.360 --> 00:45:39.800 Neither of them were focused on that at the time, 597 00:45:41.000 --> 00:45:47.039 but how put Off was curious about the way information 598 00:45:47.119 --> 00:45:52.480 can travel, and he was doing research on several aspects 599 00:45:52.519 --> 00:45:55.000 of this, and he sent a letter to Cleeve Baxter 600 00:45:55.719 --> 00:46:00.880 because he knew about the plant experiments where Cleve essentially 601 00:46:01.039 --> 00:46:06.400 had attached electrodes to the leaves of plants, and he 602 00:46:06.519 --> 00:46:10.840 discovered that if he were to say something kind of 603 00:46:10.880 --> 00:46:16.719 threatening to a plant, then then then the plant would 604 00:46:16.760 --> 00:46:22.719 register something on his measurement devices. And of course he 605 00:46:22.800 --> 00:46:26.679 was an interrogation specialist, so he was used to, you know, 606 00:46:26.920 --> 00:46:31.000 using light detector equipment, and so when the plants were 607 00:46:31.039 --> 00:46:35.719 being monitored by these light detectors, it picks up on 608 00:46:36.760 --> 00:46:43.679 micro jumps in various frequencies that biological systems give off. 609 00:46:44.480 --> 00:46:48.599 So when Cleave would say certain things or threaten to 610 00:46:48.679 --> 00:46:52.159 burn a leaf on a plant, for example, the plants 611 00:46:52.760 --> 00:46:56.880 their frequencies would change as if in response to what 612 00:46:56.960 --> 00:47:00.800 he was doing. Now, he published this and how put 613 00:47:00.800 --> 00:47:04.679 Off saw that publication and saw where he could learn 614 00:47:04.719 --> 00:47:09.800 some information. He wanted to work specifically with Cleve Baxter 615 00:47:09.920 --> 00:47:11.880 to learn a little bit more about how that worked. 616 00:47:12.519 --> 00:47:15.199 And Cleve Baxter was busy at the time, and he said, well, 617 00:47:16.000 --> 00:47:20.079 you know what about talking with this subject that I'm 618 00:47:20.119 --> 00:47:26.840 working with. Ingo

Swan comes into the office to do 619 00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:31.239 little psychic experiments with the plants, and those psychic experiments 620 00:47:31.360 --> 00:47:35.760 are registering on this same equipment that they're using. So 621 00:47:36.559 --> 00:47:39.440 here he is, why don't why don't you guys hook up? 622 00:47:39.559 --> 00:47:44.800 So that was how that connection was made, or at 623 00:47:44.880 --> 00:47:48.679 least a very brief description of it. I've heard how 624 00:47:48.760 --> 00:47:51.440 put Off tell the story and he goes into much 625 00:47:51.440 --> 00:47:54.840 more detail. It's funny because how put Off was not 626 00:47:55.239 --> 00:47:59.599 looking into psychic anything. That was not his goal. That 627 00:47:59.719 --> 00:48:02.960 was just kind of thrust upon him. And then when 628 00:48:03.159 --> 00:48:07.360 Ingle later flew out flew out to the university to 629 00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:10.559 work with him and Russell. This happened to be during 630 00:48:10.599 --> 00:48:14.559 the Cold War era, at a time when the CIA 631 00:48:14.719 --> 00:48:18.360 was very nervous about a lot of things, and when 632 00:48:18.400 --> 00:48:21.960 it came to light that these psychic abilities seemed to 633 00:48:22.039 --> 00:48:27.079 be real, that's when they came in with funding for 634 00:48:27.360 --> 00:48:31.800 SRI to do these experiments and eventually developed remote viewing. 635 00:48:32.159 --> 00:48:37.000 What do you think convinced intelligence agencies this deserved serious attention. 636 00:48:37.800 --> 00:48:41.880 There were several things. I think what started the nervousness 637 00:48:41.920 --> 00:48:44.440 with the CIA. 638 00:48:43.920 --> 00:48:45.920 They're always nervous. 639 00:48:45.960 --> 00:48:47.000 Oh yes, they. 640 00:48:48.800 --> 00:48:49.280 Exactly. 641 00:48:49.320 --> 00:48:51.280 All you have to do is mention something to them 642 00:48:51.519 --> 00:48:53.920 and they will be you know, they've got to be 643 00:48:54.000 --> 00:48:59.679 right on it. So what was happening during the nineteen 644 00:48:59.719 --> 00:49:03.440 six these actually at this point was that the CIA 645 00:49:03.559 --> 00:49:11.480 had gotten intelligence that Russian spies and there were essentially 646 00:49:11.719 --> 00:49:18.119 Russians that were able to psychically spy on operations. The 647 00:49:18.280 --> 00:49:22.679 USSR was putting a lot of money into the research 648 00:49:22.719 --> 00:49:27.760 and development of psychic capabilities, mind to mind, intelligence gathering 649 00:49:27.800 --> 00:49:32.880 and all that stuff, and we knew they were doing experiments. 650 00:49:33.480 --> 00:49:36.159 So the CIA looked at that, saw the amount of 651 00:49:36.159 --> 00:49:39.519 money going into and thought, whoa, they're taking it seriously. 652 00:49:39.679 --> 00:49:42.079 I wonder if we need to do that too, And 653 00:49:42.159 --> 00:49:47.920 so it was introduced to the CIA that way. But 654 00:49:48.199 --> 00:49:54.320 then the CIA caught wind through Clevebaxter as well as 655 00:49:54.320 --> 00:49:58.119 some of the experiments at SRI that there was something 656 00:49:58.199 --> 00:50:05.719 to all thispcially when Ingo and another one of the 657 00:50:05.760 --> 00:50:10.760 test subjects, Pat Price, were given the task of psychically 658 00:50:10.920 --> 00:50:18.480 viewing an unknown position in the woods. This was a 659 00:50:18.519 --> 00:50:23.760 position that was given to them by an interusted party. 660 00:50:24.239 --> 00:50:26.920 It turned out that this was a log cabin that 661 00:50:26.960 --> 00:50:32.239 this person was, that this person owned, and Ingo and 662 00:50:33.400 --> 00:50:38.800 Pat Price essentially mentally traveled to this cabin. They were 663 00:50:38.800 --> 00:50:40.840 able to view it, and they thought, well, this can't 664 00:50:40.880 --> 00:50:44.199 be the target. This is too boring. I don't want 665 00:50:44.199 --> 00:50:47.239 to turn in this information because it's probably wrong. Let's 666 00:50:47.280 --> 00:50:49.239 look around the area and see if there's something else. 667 00:50:50.159 --> 00:50:56.880 So they looked around and they found this facility right 668 00:50:57.000 --> 00:51:01.440 nearby that was hidden amongst the trees. They entered this 669 00:51:01.519 --> 00:51:06.119 facility mentally. Of course, they started to sketch out the 670 00:51:06.159 --> 00:51:10.840 interior layout of this facility, and Pat Price was actually 671 00:51:10.880 --> 00:51:13.760 able to kind of stick his head into the files 672 00:51:14.239 --> 00:51:17.320 and read some of the names on the files. And 673 00:51:17.400 --> 00:51:25.000 so they turned in all this data to to how 674 00:51:25.079 --> 00:51:29.039 put off and rustle in and that it turned out 675 00:51:29.079 --> 00:51:33.079 that facility was a top secret facility. It was not 676 00:51:33.159 --> 00:51:35.360 intended that they would view that target, but they found 677 00:51:35.360 --> 00:51:40.119 it anyway, and so that horrified members of the CIA. 678 00:51:40.320 --> 00:51:44.599 So next thing you know, these CIA people are showing 679 00:51:44.719 --> 00:51:49.239 up at SRI demanding answers as to how they got 680 00:51:49.280 --> 00:51:52.920 a hold of this information. And how had to tell 681 00:51:52.920 --> 00:51:56.320 them that, oh, no, we were just doing psychic experiments. 682 00:51:56.400 --> 00:52:00.400 They just they were just reporting data. And the next thing, 683 00:52:00.440 --> 00:52:03.519 you know, the CIA, for as far as they're concerned, 684 00:52:03.559 --> 00:52:07.679 it was confirmed. And so they said, all right, we're 685 00:52:07.719 --> 00:52:10.559 going to need you to look into this, keep experiment 686 00:52:10.679 --> 00:52:14.639 and keep developing this. Here's some money, So they started 687 00:52:14.679 --> 00:52:19.679 funding SRI to run this program, which would

eventually become 688 00:52:19.719 --> 00:52:22.519 known as Stargate. Yeah, this was all under the mk 689 00:52:22.760 --> 00:52:23.800 Ultra umbrella. 690 00:52:24.039 --> 00:52:26.239 You just answered two of my questions. So let's let 691 00:52:26.280 --> 00:52:31.559 me skip to sure sure what kind of missions were 692 00:52:31.599 --> 00:52:35.679 remote viewing assigned? Was it like this or did it 693 00:52:35.679 --> 00:52:39.679 eventually go to where they were reviewing Russian agents or 694 00:52:39.800 --> 00:52:43.639 Russian military to try to determine what their moves were becoming. 695 00:52:45.159 --> 00:52:48.599 Well, it had to start, simply, it had to start 696 00:52:48.639 --> 00:52:52.880 with things that were easy to test and prove, so 697 00:52:53.159 --> 00:52:56.159 over and over again, they had to do really boring tests, 698 00:52:56.320 --> 00:53:02.000 like like they'll have a picture of something abstract, for example, 699 00:53:02.719 --> 00:53:05.840 and then they would put that in another room or 700 00:53:05.880 --> 00:53:10.559 in a sealed envelope and then have Ingo describe what 701 00:53:10.719 --> 00:53:13.239 that thing was. So Ingo had no idea. This is 702 00:53:13.280 --> 00:53:16.639 called a blind target. So Ingo had no idea what 703 00:53:16.679 --> 00:53:21.280 they were hiding from him. They just said, give us 704 00:53:21.519 --> 00:53:24.840 your impressions, tell us what you think this thing is. 705 00:53:25.079 --> 00:53:30.480 So at the time before remote viewing was developed, this 706 00:53:30.719 --> 00:53:34.000 was more of an out of body technique. So Ingo 707 00:53:34.039 --> 00:53:36.920 would essentially leave his body, he would go into the 708 00:53:36.960 --> 00:53:42.199 other room or he would float up into whatever basket 709 00:53:42.280 --> 00:53:45.360 would be hidden on the ceiling from him. He would 710 00:53:45.440 --> 00:53:48.559 view what this target was and then he would draw it, 711 00:53:49.360 --> 00:53:53.280 and over time he became more and more accurate. So 712 00:53:53.840 --> 00:53:56.559 those were the early experiments to kind of get a 713 00:53:56.599 --> 00:53:59.400 baseline of the kind of information that you could expect 714 00:53:59.559 --> 00:54:05.400 from this sort of intelligence gathering. And then later with 715 00:54:05.639 --> 00:54:10.840 Project Stargate, places like the Monroe Institute came into play 716 00:54:11.239 --> 00:54:16.519 where they were beginning to train military army personnel on 717 00:54:16.599 --> 00:54:20.440 how to leave their bodies and go to sites, specifically 718 00:54:20.840 --> 00:54:24.360 flying out to places and I say flying flying in 719 00:54:24.400 --> 00:54:28.039 the out of body state over to the Soviet Union. 720 00:54:28.280 --> 00:54:31.320 So yes, they were starting to spy on targets in 721 00:54:31.360 --> 00:54:39.119 the Soviet Union. Joseph mcmonagall is the he's considered remote 722 00:54:39.199 --> 00:54:43.000 viewer zero zero one, So he was kind of the 723 00:54:43.039 --> 00:54:49.159 star of that early Russian program that was established a 724 00:54:49.199 --> 00:54:56.280 few years after the successful projects established by Ingo at SRI. 725 00:54:57.320 --> 00:54:59.519 I know they were used during the Cold War. Did 726 00:54:59.559 --> 00:55:02.400 they ever locate missing aircraft or hostages? 727 00:55:02.920 --> 00:55:06.599 Absolutely? That was actually one of the very things that 728 00:55:06.880 --> 00:55:13.719 was done at Ingo Hella Hammered. At least the two 729 00:55:13.800 --> 00:55:17.360 of them were tasked. A plane had gone down. I 730 00:55:17.400 --> 00:55:19.639 assume you asked me that question because you've heard of 731 00:55:19.679 --> 00:55:20.800 that particular target. 732 00:55:20.840 --> 00:55:21.280 Is that right? 733 00:55:21.480 --> 00:55:25.239 Yes, okay, yes that was a target. So, yes, a 734 00:55:25.280 --> 00:55:30.239 plane had gone down, and from our satellites we could 735 00:55:30.239 --> 00:55:33.119 not find it. I honestly can't even remember what country 736 00:55:33.320 --> 00:55:37.880 that it went down in. Was that Africa or South America? 737 00:55:38.039 --> 00:55:41.440 Somewhere in a jungle, this plane went down, and the 738 00:55:41.559 --> 00:55:45.000 jungle was so thick the satellites could not penetrate and 739 00:55:45.280 --> 00:55:51.199 find it. So they brought in remote viewers and they 740 00:55:51.280 --> 00:55:56.239 were actually accurately able to say this is where the 741 00:55:56.239 --> 00:56:00.239 plane went down. Within a three mile radius. They were 742 00:56:00.280 --> 00:56:02.559 able to they were able to make the recovery. 743 00:56:03.360 --> 00:56:07.320 Do you think the Soviet psychic program was ahead of ours? 744 00:56:08.079 --> 00:56:10.079 I think they probably got a jump start on it. 745 00:56:11.199 --> 00:56:16.239 I think they started before us, but I think we 746 00:56:16.360 --> 00:56:20.880 caught up very quickly. And you know, toward the end 747 00:56:21.360 --> 00:56:25.639 of the remote viewing programs, Americans and Soviets, well Russians 748 00:56:25.719 --> 00:56:29.000 at the time were starting to get together to compare notes. 749 00:56:29.800 --> 00:56:32.719 So you know, there's a lot of chaos going on, 750 00:56:33.280 --> 00:56:38.000 and sometimes enemies aren't as as deeply enemies as you 751 00:56:38.039 --> 00:56:42.000 would have thought, because yes, there were times when Soviets 752 00:56:42.639 --> 00:56:47.280 and Americans would be in the same classroom discussing how 753 00:56:47.320 --> 00:56:50.639 these psychic abilities worked. Of course, that came much later. 754 00:56:51.440 --> 00:56:54.760 Did China ever conduct similar research. 755 00:56:54.920 --> 00:56:57.920 I'm sure they did. Now I don't know much about that. 756 00:56:58.400 --> 00:57:04.400 I have not followed. My thoughts on where China stand 757

00:57:04.440 --> 00:57:07.639 in all this is that everything we're talking about in 758 00:57:07.719 --> 00:57:10.920 the world of remote viewing and all this stuff, this 759 00:57:10.960 --> 00:57:16.320 is all Western world stuff that we as Westerners are 760 00:57:16.639 --> 00:57:21.880 kind of late to the party on. Whereas the Eastern world, 761 00:57:21.920 --> 00:57:25.639 and I'm talking about China and India and those places, 762 00:57:25.760 --> 00:57:29.719 they've been talking about the nature of consciousness for thousands 763 00:57:29.719 --> 00:57:34.920 of years and they've kept detailed records and we essentially 764 00:57:35.000 --> 00:57:41.480 learn meditation from them. So in the world of out 765 00:57:41.519 --> 00:57:45.719 of body understanding and the nature of consciousness, I would 766 00:57:45.760 --> 00:57:50.920 say the Eastern world is way ahead. They've been ahead 767 00:57:51.320 --> 00:57:54.800 of the Western world by thousands of years, because you've 768 00:57:54.800 --> 00:57:58.519 got to remember the Western world experienced the Dark Ages 769 00:57:59.199 --> 00:58:03.159 where where books, uh, you know, we lost the Library 770 00:58:03.199 --> 00:58:07.400 of Alexandria. Books were burned over and over again, we 771 00:58:07.480 --> 00:58:12.599 had witchcraft trials, We had all these times where knowledge 772 00:58:12.960 --> 00:58:16.480 was destroyed, and it was knowledge. A lot of that 773 00:58:16.559 --> 00:58:22.800 knowledge was specifically pertaining to human abilities. And one of 774 00:58:22.840 --> 00:58:26.360 the areas where such records were not destroyed would have 775 00:58:26.400 --> 00:58:30.519 been various places in China. So my thoughts are that 776 00:58:30.599 --> 00:58:33.559 we are really late to the party, and I'm sure 777 00:58:33.639 --> 00:58:37.719 Chinese intelligence has has stuff that the world would never know. 778 00:58:38.960 --> 00:58:43.519 Why is the Western governments and everything else? Why are they? 779 00:58:43.800 --> 00:58:46.719 Are they afraid of the capability of the human mind 780 00:58:46.840 --> 00:58:48.599 to destroy information like that? 781 00:58:50.480 --> 00:58:56.559 Well you said destroy information? That that that kind of 782 00:58:56.760 --> 00:59:01.239 that's kind of two questions almost the one I it's 783 00:59:01.239 --> 00:59:05.119 a good question like do are they destroying information because 784 00:59:05.159 --> 00:59:11.039 they're afraid of the truth of what the the natural 785 00:59:11.119 --> 00:59:15.360 human abilities are? Is it a cover up? And that 786 00:59:15.719 --> 00:59:18.039 so that's a very good question. It might very well 787 00:59:18.079 --> 00:59:21.800 be a cover up. And then there's the other. All 788 00:59:22.119 --> 00:59:25.559 the other alternative I consider is that when somebody knew 789 00:59:25.639 --> 00:59:27.760 is coming to power and they just want to erase 790 00:59:28.199 --> 00:59:31.639 what came before them for one reason or another. Be 791 00:59:31.719 --> 00:59:37.199 it a king in England who was really furious with 792 00:59:37.199 --> 00:59:40.320 with say some kind of a pagan group in Ireland. 793 00:59:40.840 --> 00:59:45.000 So they go in and they destroy everything. Uh, in 794 00:59:45.039 --> 00:59:48.119 that situation, it might not be a cover up. It 795 00:59:48.239 --> 00:59:51.920 might just be we want to erase you people, and 796 00:59:52.000 --> 00:59:57.119 so so it it's probably a mix of different situations 797 00:59:57.480 --> 01:00:00.599 that that led to that destruction of destruction of information? 798 01:00:02.039 --> 01:00:04.840 Why do you think stargate was officially shut down? And 799 01:00:04.920 --> 01:00:07.719 the next question asked a bet would be was it 800 01:00:07.760 --> 01:00:08.679 really shut down? 801 01:00:11.920 --> 01:00:16.199 The name Stargate was shut down, and that specific program 802 01:00:16.599 --> 01:00:20.760 was probably I do this in air quotes, probably shut down. 803 01:00:22.000 --> 01:00:24.199 You know, you just change the name of a program 804 01:00:24.239 --> 01:00:30.159 to something else. So why was it shut down? I've 805 01:00:30.360 --> 01:00:32.719 heard how put Off talk about this a little bit. 806 01:00:33.119 --> 01:00:37.519 That there was a change of administration with the people 807 01:00:37.519 --> 01:00:42.400 that were funding Stargate. So there's that the new administration 808 01:00:42.719 --> 01:00:45.599 did not see the value of it because they were 809 01:00:45.639 --> 01:00:50.400 not present during the Cold War. And so also the 810 01:00:50.440 --> 01:00:55.440 information that comes from remote viewing can now I don't 811 01:00:55.480 --> 01:00:57.960 know if you've seen examples of the remote viewing data, 812 01:00:58.039 --> 01:01:04.199 but sometimes it can be or sometimes you really need 813 01:01:04.239 --> 01:01:07.960 to know how to read it. And if certain questions 814 01:01:08.000 --> 01:01:11.320 can arise where somebody would say, well, what's this a 815 01:01:11.360 --> 01:01:13.480 picture of I don't understand what this is supposed to be. 816 01:01:14.119 --> 01:01:16.960 You really need proper feedback to prove that what you're 817 01:01:17.039 --> 01:01:21.480 viewing is accurate. So there were a number of factors 818 01:01:21.480 --> 01:01:26.039 that would lead to Stargate being shut down. Also, of 819 01:01:26.119 --> 01:01:30.400 course MK Ultra was a very controversial program to begin with, 820 01:01:31.239 --> 01:01:36.679 so there were certain things that were being shut down 821 01:01:37.519 --> 01:01:39.360 shut down, and you know a lot of the MK 822 01:01:39.559 --> 01:01:43.280 Ultra documents have been burned now that includes a lot 823 01:01:43.280 --> 01:01:48.400 of documentation on Ingo. When Ellie was trying to find 824 01:01:48.519 --> 01:01:52.800 additional military service records for me to organize with the

825 01:01:52.840 --> 01:01:58.320 rest of his work, she had contacted his army unit 826 01:01:58.559 --> 01:02:02.360 and all that stuff, and it turned out that at 827 01:02:02.400 --> 01:02:04.920 the warehouse where a lot of his information was stored 828 01:02:05.199 --> 01:02:09.239 burned down magically. So it just burned down. 829 01:02:09.719 --> 01:02:12.639 It just was an accident. Somebody dropped cigarettes. 830 01:02:12.559 --> 01:02:15.800 Exactly exactly, and of course it happened. You know, this 831 01:02:15.920 --> 01:02:22.960 is mk It's funny how flammable MK Ultra documents are. There. 832 01:02:23.000 --> 01:02:25.480 If there's one document that's going to burn, it's going 833 01:02:25.559 --> 01:02:26.119 to be one of. 834 01:02:26.039 --> 01:02:29.400 Those so they soap their their paper and alcohol or. 835 01:02:29.360 --> 01:02:33.880 Something exactly exactly. So, so yeah, it's it's funny what 836 01:02:33.960 --> 01:02:40.119 information is removed from from everywhere. But the second part 837 01:02:40.119 --> 01:02:44.599 of your question about if the program continued on, well, 838 01:02:44.960 --> 01:02:49.480 I'm pretty certain it has. I'm happy that in the 839 01:02:49.480 --> 01:02:57.840 mid nineties Stargate was declassified because it really opened up 840 01:02:58.360 --> 01:03:01.920 a lot of information to a world of people that 841 01:03:02.159 --> 01:03:05.239 think like you and me, that are interested in this stuff. 842 01:03:05.760 --> 01:03:11.639 And then finally something amazing was declassified about human capability. 843 01:03:11.760 --> 01:03:14.800 So this is not new information. It's been in the 844 01:03:14.840 --> 01:03:18.039 public sphere since the mid nineties I think about ninety 845 01:03:18.039 --> 01:03:24.039 five actually, So that was the declassification of one remote 846 01:03:24.119 --> 01:03:33.159 viewing program. I would imagine that sure many programs sparked 847 01:03:33.320 --> 01:03:36.960 after that that were just not under necessarily under the 848 01:03:37.079 --> 01:03:41.960 mk Ultra umbrella. But if it's a useful tool, use it. 849 01:03:42.400 --> 01:03:46.760 And I know people that work with the police department, 850 01:03:47.280 --> 01:03:50.800 essentially psychics that work with the police department, particularly when 851 01:03:50.840 --> 01:03:57.880 finding missing persons or bodies. So there is an unspoken 852 01:03:58.320 --> 01:04:03.000 yet official use psychic people in a lot of countries 853 01:04:03.400 --> 01:04:04.760 in official capacities. 854 01:04:05.679 --> 01:04:09.480 I'm going to ask you a question on your impression 855 01:04:09.760 --> 01:04:12.119 of major Ed Dames. Now, if you would prefer not 856 01:04:12.199 --> 01:04:15.519 to go there, I understand. 857 01:04:15.480 --> 01:04:18.440 But understandable you you can ask me, and I will 858 01:04:19.000 --> 01:04:20.599 I will carefully answer. 859 01:04:21.360 --> 01:04:25.599 Well, his predictions on the kill shot, solar eruptions and 860 01:04:25.639 --> 01:04:30.719 stuff kind of never took place, or or his dates 861 01:04:30.760 --> 01:04:35.039 were off and it yet to transpire. But what is correct? 862 01:04:35.119 --> 01:04:36.280 What are your thoughts on that? 863 01:04:37.679 --> 01:04:43.679 Well, I have My thoughts are all just a combination 864 01:04:43.800 --> 01:04:48.440 of what I've heard from other people. Now, I've heard 865 01:04:48.519 --> 01:04:52.760 from some of his classmates under under Ingo Swan when 866 01:04:52.840 --> 01:04:56.079 it because he was one of Ed Dames was one 867 01:04:56.079 --> 01:05:02.360 of Ingo's direct students. And what I heard from some 868 01:05:02.519 --> 01:05:04.719 of the others that happened to be in that same 869 01:05:04.840 --> 01:05:10.840 class receiving the remote viewing training is that often Ed 870 01:05:11.159 --> 01:05:15.800 would say something in quotes, he would say something stupid, 871 01:05:16.480 --> 01:05:19.679 Ingo would apparently yell at him, and then everybody else 872 01:05:19.880 --> 01:05:22.199 got to just kind of relax while Ingo was dealing 873 01:05:22.239 --> 01:05:26.000 with Ed. So now that is something I heard from 874 01:05:26.159 --> 01:05:29.360 somebody who was in the unit. So I'll leave that 875 01:05:29.440 --> 01:05:34.559 one alone personally, though, and I'll come back around to 876 01:05:34.599 --> 01:05:38.280 the kill shot in a moment here, I was watching 877 01:05:38.320 --> 01:05:43.320 a back when I had a gaya subscription the Gaya Network, 878 01:05:43.519 --> 01:05:47.679 the TV network. I saw ed a major ed Dames 879 01:05:47.760 --> 01:05:51.159 in an interview on one of their shows talking about 880 01:05:51.239 --> 01:05:54.079 how early on in the programs they used out of 881 01:05:54.159 --> 01:05:58.519 body techniques to try and do this psychic spying and 882 01:05:58.559 --> 01:06:04.679 that it was less it was less useful than the 883 01:06:04.800 --> 01:06:08.079 remote viewing techniques that were developed later where you did 884 01:06:08.079 --> 01:06:11.840 not have to leave your body. And he mentioned that 885 01:06:11.920 --> 01:06:15.719 because of how distractable people become when they're out of 886 01:06:15.800 --> 01:06:21.880 their body, how you could not get very useful information. 887 01:06:23.079 --> 01:06:26.760 And I will tell you directly in my own personal 888 01:06:26.800 --> 01:06:31.000 experience that I, unfortunately I do have to agree with 889 01:06:31.400 --> 01:06:37.079 that statement, because there have been several occasions that I've 890 01:06:37.599 --> 01:06:40.280 tried to do a remote viewing out of my body 891 01:06:40.360 --> 01:06:45.000 and the amount of stuff that will distract you, just 892 01:06:45.039 --> 01:06:47.119 the excitement of first of all, being out of your 893 01:06:47.159 --> 01:06:49.480 body and looking at your body laying there on the couch. 894

01:06:50.519 --> 01:06:53.599 A lot of people don't get past that part. I 895 01:06:53.639 --> 01:06:56.119 was already used to it, so when I was trained 896 01:06:56.280 --> 01:07:00.840 in remote viewing in the particular brand of it where 897 01:07:00.880 --> 01:07:04.400 you do leave your body, I would leave my body 898 01:07:04.679 --> 01:07:07.800 and then my distraction would come in that I would 899 01:07:07.840 --> 01:07:11.360 lose interest in the target sometimes I would make it 900 01:07:11.360 --> 01:07:14.639 to the target. Other times I would just flutter off 901 01:07:15.000 --> 01:07:20.840 somewhere else and either leave the Earth altogether, or slip 902 01:07:21.079 --> 01:07:27.599 into some other realm of Earth, or travel slightly into 903 01:07:27.639 --> 01:07:30.559 the past or slightly into the future, or or find 904 01:07:30.760 --> 01:07:34.320 somebody walking down the street really drunk and follow them 905 01:07:34.360 --> 01:07:38.039 for a while because they're flailing and I'm becoming concerned 906 01:07:38.039 --> 01:07:45.280 about them. So Ed Dames said things that were valuable, 907 01:07:46.239 --> 01:07:52.920 and then he also allowed himself to lose objectivity in 908 01:07:53.000 --> 01:07:56.320 my opinion, And now this is all just my opinion 909 01:07:56.400 --> 01:08:02.519 on the kill shot. Now, when you have a future prediction, 910 01:08:03.199 --> 01:08:05.880 one thing you have to acknowledge is that the future 911 01:08:05.960 --> 01:08:11.079 might not necessarily be set all on one timeline, and 912 01:08:11.119 --> 01:08:16.159 that as there are different choices presented to you every day, 913 01:08:17.279 --> 01:08:21.800 each of those choices has a whole universe of possibilities 914 01:08:21.840 --> 01:08:27.399 connected to it. So the idea of a kill shot, sure, 915 01:08:28.520 --> 01:08:32.439 something like that might happen. I think often he was 916 01:08:32.560 --> 01:08:36.039 making reference to something that the Sun would do, like 917 01:08:36.159 --> 01:08:38.840 that the Sun would send out some kind of a horrible, 918 01:08:39.119 --> 01:08:44.319 massive electromagnetic wave that would disrupt things or possibly even 919 01:08:44.359 --> 01:08:52.119 become harmful to life on Earth. So yes, there's that, 920 01:08:52.880 --> 01:08:57.960 But as a remote viewer, you have not, in the 921 01:08:58.000 --> 01:09:02.079 words of somebody like Ingo, have not really done remote 922 01:09:02.199 --> 01:09:05.680 viewing until you've gotten feedback, and it does have to 923 01:09:05.720 --> 01:09:09.600 be blind. So to make predictions like a kill shot 924 01:09:10.439 --> 01:09:15.119 is something that I would not I would not myself 925 01:09:15.159 --> 01:09:19.720 put much stock into. That's just my opinion because I 926 01:09:19.800 --> 01:09:22.880 choose not to live every day in the fear of 927 01:09:22.880 --> 01:09:27.399 something out of control coming my way as an attack. 928 01:09:28.399 --> 01:09:32.560 So that might That was a very opinionated answer, and 929 01:09:32.600 --> 01:09:34.920 I guess I was not necessarily careful with it. If 930 01:09:34.960 --> 01:09:37.520 I was sitting here with Ed right now, if he 931 01:09:37.640 --> 01:09:39.920 if he was alive and I was talking to him, 932 01:09:40.239 --> 01:09:42.680 I would have sent said that more gently, but I 933 01:09:42.680 --> 01:09:45.960 would I would have challenged him, and I would have said, 934 01:09:46.119 --> 01:09:49.920 you know, if you keep talking about the kill shot 935 01:09:50.000 --> 01:09:53.600 and you assign dates to it, and those dates come 936 01:09:53.600 --> 01:09:59.279 and go, it's not okay to then keep talking about 937 01:09:59.319 --> 01:10:02.920 it and say that the date is unknown, because then 938 01:10:02.920 --> 01:10:06.600 you're just kind of dragging out something and people will 939 01:10:06.640 --> 01:10:09.840 start to question it more and more, and it damages 940 01:10:09.880 --> 01:10:15.439 the words remote viewing, the whole concept, and it brings 941 01:10:15.479 --> 01:10:18.239 those things into questions. So that's the long drawn out, 942 01:10:18.560 --> 01:10:21.319 not safe answer that I had promised. 943 01:10:21.760 --> 01:10:24.680 Well, yeah, that's okay, I was. I agree with your 944 01:10:24.720 --> 01:10:26.880 statement to it could have been something he was remote, 945 01:10:26.920 --> 01:10:31.199 we weren't from an alternate timeline, yeah, Or it could 946 01:10:31.199 --> 01:10:37.239 have been a misinterpretation where instead of a like solar 947 01:10:37.279 --> 01:10:40.439 flare or coronal mass ejection or something to that effect, 948 01:10:40.479 --> 01:10:43.199 it could have been more of an EMP type situation 949 01:10:44.319 --> 01:10:47.640 which could have took out all communications and power lines 950 01:10:47.680 --> 01:10:51.119 and everything else on Earth. Because there's so many different 951 01:10:51.319 --> 01:10:55.199 forms of a so called kill shock, different things that 952 01:10:55.239 --> 01:10:57.720 it could affect without actually destroying the earth of the 953 01:10:57.800 --> 01:10:59.279 people exactly. 954 01:10:59.720 --> 01:11:04.600 It's a very up in the air concept and I've 955 01:11:04.640 --> 01:11:09.479 heard that over and over again for many years, and 956 01:11:09.600 --> 01:11:12.600 I just I chose to not focus on it, and 957 01:11:12.640 --> 01:11:15.039 so I kind of stepped back, and I figured, if 958 01:11:15.079 --> 01:11:19.079 the sun does something, and it is something that disrupts 959 01:11:19.239 --> 01:11:25.159 our technology, how long will the disruption be. If it 960 01:11:25.239 --> 01:11:28.000 turns out it was for a few hours, a few days, 961 01:11:28.079 --> 01:11:31.560 or a few weeks, then you know, we'll get over it. 962 01:11:31.720 --> 01:11:32.920 We just lived through COVID. 963 01:11:34.520 --> 01:11:39.439 Yeah, yeah, that

was roughless in itself. Of course. Now 964 01:11:39.479 --> 01:11:45.199 we have the lettuce that's causing explosive diarrhea. That's a subject. 965 01:11:46.479 --> 01:11:49.560 Exactly. I don't know how many remote viewers foresaw the 966 01:11:49.720 --> 01:11:51.039 diarrhea lettuce coming. 967 01:11:52.800 --> 01:11:55.399 I haven't heard any yet, but somebody. 968 01:11:55.039 --> 01:11:55.640 Had to us. 969 01:11:56.239 --> 01:11:58.760 Sure, sure, probably Can you. 970 01:11:58.800 --> 01:12:02.199 Give your exact definition of what remote viewing is? 971 01:12:03.680 --> 01:12:10.159 There are several There are several and me give a 972 01:12:10.239 --> 01:12:16.399 moment of thought to this because of those several possible definitions. 973 01:12:16.520 --> 01:12:19.840 Now there are those that would focus on the you 974 01:12:20.000 --> 01:12:25.159 leave your body and remote view and then there's what 975 01:12:25.399 --> 01:12:28.000 I've come to kind of see. So I'll say that 976 01:12:28.039 --> 01:12:34.960 remote viewing I'll start by saying it referring specifically to 977 01:12:35.000 --> 01:12:38.199 what Ango Swan gave us and what came out of 978 01:12:38.279 --> 01:12:42.439 Stanford Research Institute, I would say it's a trainable protocol 979 01:12:43.720 --> 01:12:50.840 that is designed to acquire information about a hidden target 980 01:12:51.399 --> 01:12:56.319 without the use of your ordinary senses. And when I 981 01:12:56.319 --> 01:12:59.439 say without the use of your ordinary senses, I'm definitely 982 01:12:59.479 --> 01:13:06.319 referring to psychic abilities innate to the human being and 983 01:13:06.520 --> 01:13:11.000 probably other animals. But yes, an ability that we can 984 01:13:11.039 --> 01:13:16.079 tap into. So remote and I'll have to say this 985 01:13:16.319 --> 01:13:20.000 above many other things. So that's a basic definition of 986 01:13:20.119 --> 01:13:24.880 remote viewing. But in terms of the kind of remote 987 01:13:24.920 --> 01:13:28.279 viewing that the government is willing to pay for. It 988 01:13:28.359 --> 01:13:33.840 has to be blind. The viewer cannot know what the 989 01:13:33.920 --> 01:13:37.520 target is, anything about the target. They can't be front 990 01:13:37.560 --> 01:13:42.960 loaded with information. Like back in the CIA days of 991 01:13:43.000 --> 01:13:46.239 the Soviet Union, you really didn't want to tell the 992 01:13:46.279 --> 01:13:49.600 remote viewers that they're going to Russia to view this 993 01:13:49.720 --> 01:13:52.840 specific site because then they can make up whatever they 994 01:13:52.880 --> 01:13:56.800 want about that site and then hope they're right. And 995 01:13:56.840 --> 01:13:59.279 based on the information, it could be fifty to fifty 996 01:14:00.239 --> 01:14:02.840 are their bombs at this site? Is there a submarine 997 01:14:02.840 --> 01:14:03.319 at this site? 998 01:14:03.399 --> 01:14:03.600 Yes? 999 01:14:03.680 --> 01:14:09.640 Or no? So true remote viewing is when the viewer 1000 01:14:09.880 --> 01:14:13.439 does not know what they're being asked to give their 1001 01:14:13.479 --> 01:14:17.000 impressions about. And that's a very important thing right now 1002 01:14:17.039 --> 01:14:20.640 because there are a lot of YouTubers that are saying 1003 01:14:20.720 --> 01:14:25.279 they remote viewed a particular event, and what they're really 1004 01:14:25.319 --> 01:14:29.079 doing is saying that they left their body, they had 1005 01:14:29.079 --> 01:14:31.520 an out of body experience, they traveled to this site 1006 01:14:31.720 --> 01:14:35.760 and then they saw it happened firsthand. But they knew 1007 01:14:35.800 --> 01:14:38.399 ahead of time what they were going to do, and 1008 01:14:38.520 --> 01:14:45.760 so that immediately, in my mind, negates their remote viewing terminology. 1009 01:14:47.239 --> 01:14:51.000 And it's great for YouTube, but it destroys the name 1010 01:14:51.079 --> 01:14:55.920 and any credibility that comes along with what Stargate gave us. 1011 01:14:56.880 --> 01:15:02.279 Remote viewing is different than psychic into wish correct, Yes, 1012 01:15:03.720 --> 01:15:05.079 can anyone learn it? 1013 01:15:06.479 --> 01:15:12.199 I think so. I think anybody who's interested people, you know, 1014 01:15:13.640 --> 01:15:17.359 I've had to think about that a lot. Actually, I 1015 01:15:17.479 --> 01:15:21.359 used to say anyone can do this. I personally think 1016 01:15:21.880 --> 01:15:24.760 anybody has the ability to have an out of body experience. 1017 01:15:25.880 --> 01:15:29.399 Anybody has the ability to remote view. And then I 1018 01:15:29.560 --> 01:15:33.399 learned about how diverse people are. There are so many 1019 01:15:33.439 --> 01:15:38.159 people if you ask them to sit for ten minutes 1020 01:15:38.239 --> 01:15:44.039 and meditate, they absolutely cannot do it. If I personally, 1021 01:15:44.119 --> 01:15:46.840 I'm not a sporty person, I will never make it 1022 01:15:46.880 --> 01:15:50.640 to the Olympics. So there's a massive diversity in what 1023 01:15:50.760 --> 01:15:55.279 people can and cannot do. So what comes easy to somebody, 1024 01:15:56.199 --> 01:16:01.000 say a psychic ability, will come innately to a lot 1025 01:16:01.039 --> 01:16:04.000 of people, and they might downplay it. They might not 1026 01:16:04.199 --> 01:16:08.199 realize that it's a psychic ability. They might just think 1027 01:16:08.399 --> 01:16:12.880 it's you know, they'll call it their gut feeling, when 1028 01:16:12.960 --> 01:16:17.600 really it is something on a psychic level. So instead 1029 01:16:17.640 --> 01:16:21.720 of saying anybody can do it, I'd say anybody who 1030 01:16:21.960 --> 01:16:28.680 knows how to focus, relax their minds and temporarily turn 1031 01:16:28.760 --> 01:16:32.119 off their mental filters, the filter that says, oh, this 1032 01:16:32.239 --> 01:16:36.960 can't be done. Those are the

people who will be 1033 01:16:37.000 --> 01:16:39.800 able to remote view and tap into these abilities. 1034 01:16:40.680 --> 01:16:44.119 I brought this up last week with Augi Nas. But 1035 01:16:45.560 --> 01:16:47.399 if you go to a Walmart at four am in 1036 01:16:47.439 --> 01:16:51.479 the morning, nobody in there looks like they have the 1037 01:16:51.520 --> 01:16:53.239 abilities to remote view. 1038 01:16:54.119 --> 01:16:59.920 So it's you know, it's funny you never know by 1039 01:17:00.079 --> 01:17:03.680 looking at somebody for like when you when I think 1040 01:17:03.720 --> 01:17:08.079 about myself, this stupid. Now, I've made some stupid movies, 1041 01:17:09.319 --> 01:17:12.359 you know I'm into. I used to make horror films 1042 01:17:12.439 --> 01:17:18.399 and really low budget, B grade junk movies, mostly for 1043 01:17:18.479 --> 01:17:21.880 fun with my friends. And I got lucky for some 1044 01:17:21.920 --> 01:17:24.720 of these things to get distribution. But if you were 1045 01:17:24.760 --> 01:17:27.319 to look at who I am on a day to 1046 01:17:27.439 --> 01:17:30.880 day basis the goofy stuff I've gotten into. I'm also 1047 01:17:30.920 --> 01:17:34.520 in a hard rock band. Like all the things I do, 1048 01:17:35.199 --> 01:17:36.439 you would never think. 1049 01:17:36.359 --> 01:17:36.880 I was. 1050 01:17:38.399 --> 01:17:40.359 Well, a lot of the people in my regular life 1051 01:17:40.359 --> 01:17:45.479 would not think I had any sort of ability. And 1052 01:17:45.800 --> 01:17:48.399 you go to a place like Walmart, and yeah, you 1053 01:17:48.479 --> 01:17:52.560 might not see it. And yet you never really know 1054 01:17:53.319 --> 01:18:00.319 how many people are innately using incredible abilities without even 1055 01:18:00.359 --> 01:18:03.279 their own knowledge. Now, remote viewing, of course, is specific. 1056 01:18:03.319 --> 01:18:07.760 You sit down with a paper and pen and set 1057 01:18:07.800 --> 01:18:13.239 out to remote view as a target practice. But if 1058 01:18:13.279 --> 01:18:16.279 you're speaking more broadly about something like an out of 1059 01:18:16.279 --> 01:18:21.600 body experience or a lucid dream, then suddenly you're opening 1060 01:18:21.680 --> 01:18:28.119 up to a much larger population that goes beyond any 1061 01:18:29.079 --> 01:18:34.760 sort of cultural or ethnic or in terms of the 1062 01:18:34.800 --> 01:18:37.039 Walmart thing, where you might be talking about people of 1063 01:18:37.239 --> 01:18:42.520 different classes. Financially, there's no boundary there. 1064 01:18:42.800 --> 01:18:46.319 Well, hey, I've been to walmarted for a so I'm 1065 01:18:46.319 --> 01:18:48.079 sure I stand out just like the others. 1066 01:18:49.720 --> 01:18:53.039 I've done it too. Every now and then I need 1067 01:18:53.079 --> 01:18:56.760 a late night snack, and I'm a chocolate fiend, so 1068 01:18:57.359 --> 01:18:59.920 I will be found in Walmarts from time to time. 1069 01:19:00.560 --> 01:19:03.000 How long do you think it takes to become proficient 1070 01:19:03.199 --> 01:19:04.119 in remote viewing? 1071 01:19:05.000 --> 01:19:05.479 Oh? 1072 01:19:05.840 --> 01:19:07.039 Wow, yours? 1073 01:19:07.279 --> 01:19:12.680 Well, the remote viewing, if you're really serious about it, 1074 01:19:11.840 --> 01:19:16.520 it takes a lot of practice. I've been trained in 1075 01:19:16.720 --> 01:19:21.000 two remote viewing protocols now, that's the out of body 1076 01:19:21.039 --> 01:19:26.239 protocol that the Monroe Institute teaches, which is extended remote viewing, 1077 01:19:26.880 --> 01:19:31.239 as well as CRV controlled remote viewing, which is what 1078 01:19:31.479 --> 01:19:34.439 Ingo Swan developed I've been trained in both of those, 1079 01:19:35.720 --> 01:19:44.399 and you might have some beginner's luck, but you might 1080 01:19:44.560 --> 01:19:49.359 be working at becoming truly proficient for years. And it's 1081 01:19:49.399 --> 01:19:52.000 something that you really have to stick with, and I'll 1082 01:19:52.000 --> 01:19:56.720 tell you why. When you first start, you sit down 1083 01:19:56.760 --> 01:20:00.680 in a room by yourself. All you know are the 1084 01:20:00.800 --> 01:20:05.439 target numbers or target coordinates. You sit down with that paper, 1085 01:20:06.159 --> 01:20:10.000 and you immediately one start doubting yourself. You start thinking, oh, 1086 01:20:10.079 --> 01:20:12.960 this can't be real. Even if you have heard about 1087 01:20:12.960 --> 01:20:15.720 remote viewing working. There's a part of your brain that 1088 01:20:15.800 --> 01:20:17.920 kicks in immediately and says, oh, I can't do this. 1089 01:20:18.039 --> 01:20:19.560 I'm not the kind of person who's going to be 1090 01:20:19.560 --> 01:20:22.199 able to do this. So there goes your first filter. 1091 01:20:23.119 --> 01:20:25.640 You have to undo that training, and that could take 1092 01:20:25.720 --> 01:20:29.600 weeks in and of itself. And then you also have 1093 01:20:29.720 --> 01:20:33.399 to learn how to and this is the harder part. 1094 01:20:33.640 --> 01:20:37.560 When you do start properly remote viewing, you have to 1095 01:20:37.680 --> 01:20:42.560 learn how to shut off your thinking brain and allow 1096 01:20:42.640 --> 01:20:47.239 the information to come to you through your subconscious and 1097 01:20:47.520 --> 01:20:52.439 that learning to communicate with your subconscious is such a 1098 01:20:52.560 --> 01:20:57.920 challenge because all people are trained to think, and we 1099 01:20:58.000 --> 01:21:01.079 all go to school and we're all all taught how 1100 01:21:01.119 --> 01:21:06.000 to think consciously, so allowing impressions to come to you 1101 01:21:07.279 --> 01:21:12.800 can be so difficult. Like right now, you know I'm 1102 01:21:12.840 --> 01:21:14.880 gonna this is gonna be a weird thing, and it's 1103 01:21:14.920 --> 01:21:17.720 about to happen live. I suppose are you

willing to 1104 01:21:18.159 --> 01:21:20.760 experience something real quick? Right now? 1105 01:21:21.720 --> 01:21:22.000 Sure? 1106 01:21:22.680 --> 01:21:28.439 Okay, all right, I just take a moment, take a 1107 01:21:28.560 --> 01:21:32.800 nice deep breath, let it out. It does not matter 1108 01:21:32.880 --> 01:21:37.600 if you're right or wrong. Right now, I'm looking at 1109 01:21:37.640 --> 01:21:43.560 something very specific in my office. So this is one 1110 01:21:43.600 --> 01:21:46.119 of the stages of remote viewing. I'm looking at something 1111 01:21:46.239 --> 01:21:49.399 very specific in my office. You do not know what 1112 01:21:49.439 --> 01:21:52.439 it is. I haven't told you during any commercial break. 1113 01:21:53.039 --> 01:21:57.920 This is our first real conversation. What if I were 1114 01:21:57.960 --> 01:22:02.199 to ask you for your first there's three impressions about 1115 01:22:02.279 --> 01:22:06.960 what I'm looking at. Just take a moment and just 1116 01:22:08.239 --> 01:22:11.640 give me the first three things that pop into your mind. 1117 01:22:12.479 --> 01:22:17.560 I would say either a book, a lamp. Okay, I'm 1118 01:22:17.600 --> 01:22:21.199 not really seeing any third object, but I would say 1119 01:22:21.239 --> 01:22:22.039 book or a lamp. 1120 01:22:22.600 --> 01:22:27.279 Okay, all right, So you have just touched already on 1121 01:22:27.279 --> 01:22:32.079 one of the challenges in remote viewing. In remote viewing, 1122 01:22:32.319 --> 01:22:34.520 the first thing that a lot of people want to 1123 01:22:34.560 --> 01:22:38.800 do is call out the names of specific objects. A 1124 01:22:38.880 --> 01:22:42.439 book is a very specific object, and a lamp is 1125 01:22:42.479 --> 01:22:46.479 also very specific. And what people do not expect is 1126 01:22:46.520 --> 01:22:51.119 that is not the way impressions come in. Your first 1127 01:22:51.119 --> 01:23:01.199 impressions in remote viewing will always be something like smooth, sharp, textured, 1128 01:23:01.760 --> 01:23:05.720 a little bit bumpy, kinda, this is kind of soft, 1129 01:23:05.720 --> 01:23:09.800 Oh it's squishy. It's always little little things. You'd never 1130 01:23:09.920 --> 01:23:15.119 really get a full picture right early on. So the 1131 01:23:15.159 --> 01:23:20.319 first stages of remote viewing all involved writing down things 1132 01:23:20.359 --> 01:23:23.039 like that, and that can go on for pages and pages, 1133 01:23:23.680 --> 01:23:28.760 just writing down tiny impressions that you're getting. And then 1134 01:23:29.119 --> 01:23:32.039 if you do have the impression of something like a book, 1135 01:23:33.319 --> 01:23:38.920 then you write that down as something that your imagination, 1136 01:23:39.159 --> 01:23:42.760 that your thinking brain told you to say, but you 1137 01:23:42.920 --> 01:23:43.439 want to. 1138 01:23:45.840 --> 01:23:48.479 Because I was thinking, well, what's in an office? 1139 01:23:49.239 --> 01:23:49.600 M hm? 1140 01:23:50.000 --> 01:23:53.279 So I also front loaded you. So you see that 1141 01:23:53.359 --> 01:23:55.760 was a rough test I gave you just now, but 1142 01:23:56.000 --> 01:23:58.359 you know, I figured we are in an office, so 1143 01:23:58.680 --> 01:24:01.479 it's okay to front load you. Little front loading is 1144 01:24:01.520 --> 01:24:05.960 okay during training. So your first lesson is to not 1145 01:24:06.199 --> 01:24:11.239 try to name things outright, because often those first things 1146 01:24:11.439 --> 01:24:15.079 will be incorrect. Now, if you had described what a 1147 01:24:15.079 --> 01:24:18.159 book is, if you had said that it is a 1148 01:24:18.199 --> 01:24:25.399 flat object that is usually rectangular and has a smooth surfaces, 1149 01:24:26.119 --> 01:24:30.119 then you would have already been on the right track, 1150 01:24:30.680 --> 01:24:35.039 because I was not actually looking at a book. I 1151 01:24:35.199 --> 01:24:40.920 was looking at a one of those cardboard Dubai chocolate wrappers. 1152 01:24:41.600 --> 01:24:45.720 So I'm looking at this little case of chocolate in 1153 01:24:45.720 --> 01:24:49.880 my room. But if you had started out by describing 1154 01:24:51.880 --> 01:24:56.079 rectangular shape and then you had said, okay, it could 1155 01:24:56.119 --> 01:24:58.359 be a book, but I'm not going to call it 1156 01:24:58.399 --> 01:25:01.159 a book yet. Let me write book off to the side. 1157 01:25:01.479 --> 01:25:07.560 As Saylor said, some square and red before before you 1158 01:25:07.640 --> 01:25:09.359 describe what you were actually looking at. 1159 01:25:09.960 --> 01:25:13.840 Now that's good. Now to say to throw a color 1160 01:25:13.920 --> 01:25:16.720 out is very good. If you see, if you sense 1161 01:25:16.720 --> 01:25:20.439 a color, you write that down. If you sense a square. 1162 01:25:20.880 --> 01:25:27.600 Those basic, basic, little pieces of data are really powerful. 1163 01:25:29.119 --> 01:25:33.479 So as you write down these pieces of data, you're 1164 01:25:33.720 --> 01:25:37.439 essentially building a bigger picture that you can later look 1165 01:25:37.520 --> 01:25:43.039 back on and say, Okay, I had twenty pieces of 1166 01:25:43.239 --> 01:25:48.680 useful data that all worked great. They actually described the target, 1167 01:25:48.920 --> 01:25:54.439 but the target was not a book, so you could accidentally, 1168 01:25:54.880 --> 01:25:57.520 you know, throughout the word book, and that's Okay, you 1169 01:25:57.560 --> 01:26:01.239 write that down in its own area, but your data 1170 01:26:01.399 --> 01:26:06.039 was all correct. So going back to your original question, 1171 01:26:07.159 --> 01:26:10.359 people have to get used to writing down all this 1172 01:26:10.720 --> 01:26:14.000 tedious data and you have to kind of stick with 1173 01:26:14.039 --> 01:26:18.000 that for a very long time, and you'll get used 1174

01:26:18.000 --> 01:26:20.760 to how you'll write down a whole lot of data. 1175 01:26:21.239 --> 01:26:24.439 And then once the person that you're working with gives 1176 01:26:24.439 --> 01:26:28.000 you the target, they show you the target image and 1177 01:26:28.039 --> 01:26:31.199 it's no longer hidden from you. You'll go, ah, I 1178 01:26:31.319 --> 01:26:37.800 said book, but it's actually a cardboard container. Gosh, I'm sad, 1179 01:26:37.840 --> 01:26:40.239 I got that wrong. But then when you look at 1180 01:26:40.279 --> 01:26:44.680 your data you'll write down, you'll see that you actually 1181 01:26:44.720 --> 01:26:51.119 described the target very well, but you mislabeled it. So 1182 01:26:51.920 --> 01:26:57.119 becoming patient with the way you communicate with your subconscious 1183 01:26:57.600 --> 01:27:00.640 can take months, and it's one of the things that 1184 01:27:00.720 --> 01:27:06.359 makes people stop practicing remote viewing because they it's not 1185 01:27:06.479 --> 01:27:11.159 as easy as calling out something that you think you're witnessing. 1186 01:27:11.720 --> 01:27:14.680 But you can get little hints, and I hope that's helpful. 1187 01:27:15.680 --> 01:27:17.319 I'd have to be showing you a lot of this 1188 01:27:17.359 --> 01:27:21.439 in an actual training session and a training class, kind 1189 01:27:21.479 --> 01:27:23.840 of walking you through how the protocol works. 1190 01:27:24.439 --> 01:27:27.920 What do you feel the biggest misconception among beginners is. 1191 01:27:29.560 --> 01:27:31.960 I think it's actually just what we've been talking about, 1192 01:27:32.239 --> 01:27:35.399 is that when you sit down to do remote viewing, 1193 01:27:36.359 --> 01:27:40.279 I think the biggest misconception is that people will think 1194 01:27:40.760 --> 01:27:44.239 that they close their eyes and that an image is 1195 01:27:44.279 --> 01:27:49.199 suddenly painted in their mind of what the target is, 1196 01:27:49.760 --> 01:27:51.800 and then they can just write it down and then 1197 01:27:51.840 --> 01:27:57.119 that will be it. It is much more complicated than 1198 01:27:57.159 --> 01:28:02.000 that because that it does not seem to be how 1199 01:28:02.039 --> 01:28:08.239 the information travels to our psychic the psychic parts of 1200 01:28:08.279 --> 01:28:13.760 our mind. So that in and of itself is one 1201 01:28:13.800 --> 01:28:16.840 of the big confusing factors that a lot of remote 1202 01:28:16.920 --> 01:28:19.119 viewers come in and then they get a little confused 1203 01:28:19.159 --> 01:28:22.960 as to why. If the target was the Statue of Liberty, 1204 01:28:23.000 --> 01:28:25.560 for example, and I always love to use the target 1205 01:28:25.720 --> 01:28:31.840 the Statue of Liberty as an example, you won't immediately 1206 01:28:31.960 --> 01:28:36.600 see the structure of this giant woman with New York 1207 01:28:36.640 --> 01:28:40.359 and the backdrop. That's not what remote viewers see. They 1208 01:28:40.439 --> 01:28:44.640 might say, oh, okay, I'm sensing a structure. It's tall, 1209 01:28:45.560 --> 01:28:47.159 it's I'm gonna. 1210 01:28:46.880 --> 01:28:53.560 Say it's green, maybe blue, maybe there's a little bit 1211 01:28:53.600 --> 01:28:58.840 of bronze here, Okay, feeling more around this, Okay, the 1212 01:28:58.880 --> 01:29:04.399 structure is definitely tall. It seems to be I'm also sensing. 1213 01:29:04.159 --> 01:29:08.159 Water, so they're gonna start feeling around the target, but 1214 01:29:08.199 --> 01:29:12.000 they're not gonna see anything. So I think that's where 1215 01:29:12.520 --> 01:29:16.279 that's where misconceptions might come through. It's not an instantly 1216 01:29:16.439 --> 01:29:21.359 seeing Statue of Liberty. It's feeling the area and slowly 1217 01:29:21.479 --> 01:29:27.039 describing everything in enough detail that eventually, when you look 1218 01:29:27.079 --> 01:29:30.119 at the Statue of Liberty, you could you can say, ah, okay, 1219 01:29:30.279 --> 01:29:33.399 well I guess that it is a structure. And yes, 1220 01:29:33.520 --> 01:29:38.119 I did say I sensed a sense of a female figure, 1221 01:29:38.920 --> 01:29:40.680 but I didn't think it was the statue of Liberty. 1222 01:29:40.720 --> 01:29:43.439 I thought it was a woman posing. So that happens 1223 01:29:43.479 --> 01:29:46.560 a lot. A lot of people will describe things that 1224 01:29:46.640 --> 01:29:51.479 are accurate but not quite on the nose. 1225 01:29:52.840 --> 01:29:55.279 I have a question from a listener, but when that's 1226 01:29:55.319 --> 01:29:57.479 the bottom of the second hour, I need to run 1227 01:29:57.560 --> 01:30:00.600 that break and then right after that come back and 1228 01:30:00.640 --> 01:30:04.119 I'll ask you the question and we can continue onward. 1229 01:30:04.760 --> 01:30:05.399 Sounds great. 1230 01:30:05.560 --> 01:30:39.359 Yeah, you was friends mine. 1231 01:30:41.920 --> 01:30:47.680 And you can say long his heart and ever. 1232 01:30:47.920 --> 01:31:03.159 And this is Dark Spaces News. I'm Joshua Stark, a 1233 01:31:03.239 --> 01:31:07.119 Florida startup is testing a new way to power spacecraft 1234 01:31:07.439 --> 01:31:11.720 that could one day reduce their dependence on solar panels. 1235 01:31:12.359 --> 01:31:16.600 City Labs has launched its bore Cube sat aboard a 1236 01:31:16.720 --> 01:31:23.039 SpaceX Falcon nine rideshare mission to demonstrate its nanotritium nuclear 1237 01:31:23.119 --> 01:31:27.279 battery technology in orbit for the first time. Instead of 1238 01:31:27.479 --> 01:31:32.600 generating electricity from sunlight, the system captures energy from the 1239 01:31:32.680 --> 01:31:38.520 natural radioactive decay of tritium, providing a continuous source of 1240 01:31:38.560 --> 01:31:43.279 power that could last four years. The CubeSat itself still 1241 01:31:43.319 --> 01:31:47.640 relies on solar panels for normal operations,

but the mission 1242 01:31:47.800 --> 01:31:51.760 is focused on proving the nuclear battery can operate safely 1243 01:31:51.920 --> 01:31:57.199 and reliably in space. This is dark Space's news. 1244 01:31:57.960 --> 01:32:03.680 Before time, there was only love. From that love came light, sound, 1245 01:32:04.079 --> 01:32:09.159 and the three great Dominions that formed reality itself. Across 1246 01:32:09.199 --> 01:32:13.800 countless ages, the mighty Angeliums learned the secrets of creation 1247 01:32:14.399 --> 01:32:18.119 and traveled the stars as servants of the mysterious Guardian 1248 01:32:18.319 --> 01:32:24.039 of Dominions. But peace never lasts forever. 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The Angelium Saga is perfect for 1265 01:33:44.119 --> 01:33:49.479 readers who enjoy the grand imagination of Asimov, Clark, Herbert, 1266 01:33:49.760 --> 01:33:55.199 and star Trek while exploring profound questions about consciousness, truth, 1267 01:33:55.720 --> 01:33:59.520 and the unseen forces that shape our lives. The journey 1268 01:33:59.560 --> 01:34:03.760 begins here Welcome to the War in Heaven, available at 1269 01:34:03.800 --> 01:34:24.399 Amazon dot com. Order your copy today. 1270 01:34:25.760 --> 01:34:30.800 Too many bookle, lots of bonding, then the river, too. 1271 01:34:30.600 --> 01:34:32.640 Many long sides of trivit. 1272 01:34:32.800 --> 01:34:36.520 I have to see you lay your beds and then 1273 01:34:36.640 --> 01:34:39.039 you pay the price. It pens with you. 1274 01:34:43.239 --> 01:34:46.520 We're back with Fabian Rush. And the question one of 1275 01:34:46.560 --> 01:34:49.880 my viewers wanted me to ask is, if someone is 1276 01:34:49.960 --> 01:34:54.439 thinking to you or at you about an object, is 1277 01:34:54.479 --> 01:34:56.680 it easier to see what it is? 1278 01:34:58.600 --> 01:35:03.359 Yes, that is an excellent question, I'll tell you. I am. 1279 01:35:03.960 --> 01:35:08.920 I've worked as a remote viewing project manager and tasker, 1280 01:35:09.680 --> 01:35:14.079 so I have created targets to send off to people 1281 01:35:14.199 --> 01:35:18.319 who were learning remote viewing and practicing. And I always 1282 01:35:18.439 --> 01:35:22.600 found that when I had a target, if I sat 1283 01:35:23.039 --> 01:35:26.279 with the target, be it an image or a little 1284 01:35:26.319 --> 01:35:31.359 statue or something like that, and I meditated while holding 1285 01:35:31.399 --> 01:35:35.039 it or while looking at it and thought deeply about 1286 01:35:35.079 --> 01:35:40.079 it while I was creating this target for the viewer, 1287 01:35:41.439 --> 01:35:47.680 it improved their ability to visualize it. So, yes, that 1288 01:35:47.800 --> 01:35:51.800 is something I've definitely had some experience with. Yeah, but 1289 01:35:52.039 --> 01:35:55.720 it is not fully necessary. I have done that on occasion, 1290 01:35:56.479 --> 01:36:05.000 which perhaps strengthens the signal line. But there are many. 1291 01:36:05.079 --> 01:36:07.880 You know, most remote viewers also work in a double 1292 01:36:07.920 --> 01:36:12.359 blind scenario where even the target of the tasker does 1293 01:36:12.399 --> 01:36:15.359 not know what the target is. A third party might know. 1294 01:36:16.039 --> 01:36:19.199 So it can be done in many different ways. But yes, 1295 01:36:19.319 --> 01:36:22.840 I personally have seen where target data comes in stronger 1296 01:36:23.359 --> 01:36:27.359 when I meditate on the target while preparing it. 1297 01:36:28.159 --> 01:36:31.119 Ten emotions interfere with the remote viewing. 1298 01:36:31.680 --> 01:36:36.079 Definitely one of the first things that you're supposed to 1299 01:36:36.119 --> 01:36:39.720 do in this. In this at least the controlled remote 1300 01:36:39.800 --> 01:36:45.359 viewing protocol is to write down anything that might affect 1301 01:36:45.399 --> 01:36:48.920 your session. So if you've had a bad day, if 1302 01:36:48.960 --> 01:36:52.199 you've had a if you have a headache, if you're hungry, 1303 01:36:52.560 --> 01:36:55.760 if you've eaten too much already, if you've had a drink, 1304 01:36:56.560 --> 01:36:59.600 or anything like that, you write all of those things 1305 01:36:59.680 --> 01:37:03.119 down on a declaration section at the top of your 1306 01:37:03.119 --> 01:37:07.680 remote viewing page. Anything that might

affect your abilities. 1307 01:37:08.159 --> 01:37:11.399 Does belief matter? I mean I couldn't imagine anyone wanting 1308 01:37:11.439 --> 01:37:13.600 to get into remote viewing. Yes, I didn't believe in 1309 01:37:13.640 --> 01:37:16.520 it to begin with a kind of answer my old questions. 1310 01:37:16.960 --> 01:37:23.439 A belief, I'll say this, A belief in yourself and 1311 01:37:24.159 --> 01:37:29.840 your remote viewing does have an effect confidence is very 1312 01:37:29.880 --> 01:37:33.920 important if you are if you don't feel that you 1313 01:37:33.960 --> 01:37:37.359 can do it, it probably will make it a slower 1314 01:37:37.399 --> 01:37:41.039 process for you to become proficient with. So that's one 1315 01:37:41.079 --> 01:37:46.039 aspect of belief, an entirely different aspect. Another way of 1316 01:37:46.119 --> 01:37:52.079 answering your question is that if you have a specific 1317 01:37:52.199 --> 01:37:56.520 belief in something and then you do a remote viewing 1318 01:37:56.560 --> 01:38:00.359 target on that something and then you witness something that 1319 01:38:00.960 --> 01:38:05.319 runs counter to your belief, it can affect what you believe. 1320 01:38:05.920 --> 01:38:07.199 And I've seen examples of that. 1321 01:38:07.760 --> 01:38:10.600 So the people that have really gotten good at it 1322 01:38:10.640 --> 01:38:12.479 is distance meaningless. 1323 01:38:13.199 --> 01:38:20.560 Yes, distance is meaningless and time is meaningless, and that 1324 01:38:20.600 --> 01:38:25.319 there's definitely you know. I answered that very briefly. I 1325 01:38:25.359 --> 01:38:28.760 am going to be giving a presentation next month on 1326 01:38:29.239 --> 01:38:37.239 the scientific nature of how it seems that remote viewing 1327 01:38:37.279 --> 01:38:42.760 works what people are tapping into, and it is heavily 1328 01:38:42.800 --> 01:38:46.399 based on the research of doctor Michael Persinger. This is 1329 01:38:46.479 --> 01:38:51.920 a neuroscientist who worked directly with Ingo Swan and he, 1330 01:38:52.279 --> 01:38:57.239 among other scientists, began to develop a working theory of 1331 01:38:57.359 --> 01:39:01.399 how remote viewing works. And it is a system that 1332 01:39:01.600 --> 01:39:07.159 does bypass time and space. So distance does not matter 1333 01:39:07.359 --> 01:39:10.039 and time does not matter. You can remote view things 1334 01:39:10.439 --> 01:39:13.920 in the past and in the future. And of course 1335 01:39:13.960 --> 01:39:17.159 this comes back to the issue of the kill shot 1336 01:39:17.319 --> 01:39:24.399 what was mentioned. But rather than let the kill shot 1337 01:39:24.680 --> 01:39:29.000 become the whole subject of this, you could say you 1338 01:39:29.079 --> 01:39:31.800 have to wait for the feedback to come in, and 1339 01:39:31.840 --> 01:39:33.279 you can, and you have to take it with a 1340 01:39:33.319 --> 01:39:35.880 grain of salt. When you're looking at the future, you

1341 01:39:35.960 --> 01:39:40.920 really want proof and you want evidence of things that 1342 01:39:41.000 --> 01:39:44.920 will support your claim. But yes, distance does seem to 1343 01:39:44.960 --> 01:39:49.319 be an illusion that the human mind can overcome. 1344 01:39:49.720 --> 01:39:54.199 One of our listeners, Starshine, asked, Jesus, I thought remote 1345 01:39:54.479 --> 01:39:58.800 ing was defunded. Who does the guests work for? Are 1346 01:39:59.720 --> 01:40:00.800 trying and others for? 1347 01:40:01.319 --> 01:40:06.479 Well, that's a couple questions. The official government program, yes, 1348 01:40:07.000 --> 01:40:11.439 was defunded. Of course, that's the one that has been declassified. 1349 01:40:11.840 --> 01:40:15.159 There may be other government programs. But then moving on 1350 01:40:15.399 --> 01:40:19.600 to other things, that is a good question. I currently 1351 01:40:19.720 --> 01:40:22.920 do not work for anyone. I'm not doing remote viewing 1352 01:40:23.399 --> 01:40:28.880 work in any official capacity. When I learned about remote viewing, 1353 01:40:29.760 --> 01:40:34.319 I began to pursue it on my own. I wanted 1354 01:40:34.359 --> 01:40:37.880 to talk to known remote viewers who had been in 1355 01:40:38.000 --> 01:40:41.319 the field for a number of years, and I wanted 1356 01:40:41.359 --> 01:40:43.520 them to remote view for me to prove it to 1357 01:40:43.560 --> 01:40:47.000 me because I thought, Okay, well this sounds like a 1358 01:40:47.000 --> 01:40:51.880 lot of hearsay. And for anyone that is skeptical, and 1359 01:40:51.960 --> 01:40:56.760 I do encourage skepticism here, anybody who's listening that is 1360 01:40:56.800 --> 01:41:02.840 skeptical about remote viewing, the best way to the best 1361 01:41:02.880 --> 01:41:06.880 thing you can possibly do is either learn remote viewing yourself, 1362 01:41:07.479 --> 01:41:11.199 or find a remote viewer and give them a target 1363 01:41:11.239 --> 01:41:14.600 and then have your mind blown when they come back 1364 01:41:14.600 --> 01:41:19.359 to you with information about what you're looking for. So, yes, 1365 01:41:19.520 --> 01:41:24.520 I'm not working for anybody specifically. I became a project 1366 01:41:24.600 --> 01:41:31.920 tasker online. I formed a Facebook group called an International 1367 01:41:31.920 --> 01:41:37.319 Facebook Group called Future Applications for Remote Viewing, and this 1368 01:41:37.520 --> 01:41:41.920 was in twenty eighteen, maybe twenty yeah, twenty eighteen, and 1369 01:41:42.119 --> 01:41:47.039 I would ask people to view blind targets once a week, 1370 01:41:47.800 --> 01:41:50.920 and I would open this up to an entire Facebook community. 1371 01:41:51.600 --> 01:41:56.800 People would then do their own sessions at home, blind 1372 01:41:57.039 --> 01:42:00.239 to what I had created, and then they would admit 1373 01:42:00.399 --> 01:42:04.079 that information to me and I would actually pay them. 1374 01:42:04.439 --> 01:42:08.600 I actually used to pay them if they had correctly 1375 01:42:10.119 --> 01:42:14.359 described the target, and I had to stop paying because 1376 01:42:14.399 --> 01:42:18.279 I was running out of money. I yes, just seven 1377 01:42:18.399 --> 01:42:22.920 hundred dollars after just two or three targets to these people, 1378 01:42:23.840 --> 01:42:26.319 and they were blowing my mind, Like I would come 1379 01:42:26.399 --> 01:42:28.760 up with a target right now, I'll save the Statue 1380 01:42:28.760 --> 01:42:32.319 of Liberty. Even I never give that as a target. 1381 01:42:32.359 --> 01:42:36.199 It's always something I use as an example. And then 1382 01:42:36.199 --> 01:42:43.199 people would come back describing in undeniable language the target 1383 01:42:43.279 --> 01:42:47.840 I had created for them. So yes, it's a mind blower. 1384 01:42:47.920 --> 01:42:50.680 You just have to find a group of people. You 1385 01:42:50.720 --> 01:42:53.760 can find a friend to practice this stuff with. The 1386 01:42:53.800 --> 01:42:57.079 best thing, the best way to overcome any kind of 1387 01:42:57.600 --> 01:43:00.079 doubt you might have is just to do it yourself, 1388 01:43:01.000 --> 01:43:02.920 or find somebody you can trust to do this with, 1389 01:43:03.520 --> 01:43:09.159 and you'll find that it's quite amazing how this can happen, 1390 01:43:09.479 --> 01:43:10.800 and you can do it on your own. You don't 1391 01:43:10.800 --> 01:43:14.680 have to be working with anybody in any official capacity. 1392 01:43:15.439 --> 01:43:18.800 Have you found that most remote viewers have ethical boundaries? 1393 01:43:21.239 --> 01:43:21.520 Yes? 1394 01:43:22.840 --> 01:43:29.119 Yes, Now, ethics within remote viewing is a very big issue. 1395 01:43:29.840 --> 01:43:34.680 You do not want to work for a tasker or 1396 01:43:34.720 --> 01:43:38.319 a project manager that you don't know, and you don't 1397 01:43:38.359 --> 01:43:42.119 want to just be doing remote viewing for random people. 1398 01:43:42.840 --> 01:43:49.199 So yes, this is an entire conversation. I've sat in 1399 01:43:49.279 --> 01:43:53.680 lectures about this that can go on for hours, that yes, 1400 01:43:54.880 --> 01:43:58.760 somebody can ask you to remote view and find a 1401 01:43:58.800 --> 01:44:03.479 missing person, when really this person might be a stalker 1402 01:44:03.920 --> 01:44:08.760 looking for an ex girlfriend or something. So you need 1403 01:44:08.800 --> 01:44:12.279 to know there are ethical boundaries. You want to be 1404 01:44:12.319 --> 01:44:15.600 working for people you know and people who have some 1405 01:44:15.640 --> 01:44:18.560 sort of accreditation so that you're not feeding information to 1406 01:44:18.640 --> 01:44:21.359 somebody with nefarious ideas. 1407 01:44:22.239 --> 01:44:24.359 Can remote viewing even be dangerous? 1408 01:44:24.720 --> 01:44:30.119 I would think yes. I would think yes, there's anything

1409 01:44:30.560 --> 01:44:34.199 that any person can do. There's always somebody who can 1410 01:44:34.239 --> 01:44:39.000 take advantage of this situation, like the example I just 1411 01:44:39.039 --> 01:44:42.720 gave you with stalking. Yes, remote viewing can be used 1412 01:44:42.720 --> 01:44:46.439 that way. One of the problems that one of the 1413 01:44:46.479 --> 01:44:49.720 fears the government had is that there are no secrets. 1414 01:44:49.920 --> 01:44:55.079 When you have a remote viewer who has been sticking 1415 01:44:55.119 --> 01:44:57.560 with it and has become proficient with it over the 1416 01:44:57.560 --> 01:45:04.159 course of however long it suddenly that person can access something. 1417 01:45:04.880 --> 01:45:11.239 They can access secrets, be that key personal information about 1418 01:45:11.239 --> 01:45:16.479 an individual or so on. Use your imagination. It's essentially 1419 01:45:17.800 --> 01:45:23.199 like how we need cybersecurity for computer protection. With enough 1420 01:45:23.279 --> 01:45:27.600 proficient remote viewers, I would imagine you would need some 1421 01:45:27.640 --> 01:45:32.239 sort of security to protect against that. And actually I 1422 01:45:32.319 --> 01:45:36.560 have heard about security systems in the government that are 1423 01:45:36.720 --> 01:45:41.079 designed to keep remote viewers out. Remote viewers have entered 1424 01:45:41.119 --> 01:45:45.840 certain facilities and then gotten headaches. This is known as 1425 01:45:45.880 --> 01:45:53.600 psychic headaches by government agencies and deep black agencies and 1426 01:45:53.680 --> 01:45:58.840 programs that need to protect very sensitive material, and their 1427 01:45:58.880 --> 01:46:01.760 way of keeping remote viewer out is to have psychics 1428 01:46:01.800 --> 01:46:05.880 on their side that are able to identify when they're 1429 01:46:05.920 --> 01:46:10.479 being remote viewed, and then they cause resonant headaches in 1430 01:46:10.520 --> 01:46:11.680 whoever's doing the viewing. 1431 01:46:12.119 --> 01:46:16.399 What is your definition of consciousness? Does the brain create 1432 01:46:16.479 --> 01:46:18.000 it or just receive it? 1433 01:46:18.560 --> 01:46:25.640 The brain, From what I've learned from the neuroscientists that 1434 01:46:25.680 --> 01:46:30.119 worked with Ingo Swan specifically, and from what I'm seeing 1435 01:46:30.239 --> 01:46:34.880 from many of the researchers that worked with the CIA, 1436 01:46:36.239 --> 01:46:42.279 and I could quote from CIA documents that have been declassified, 1437 01:46:43.720 --> 01:46:48.319 the brain. The human brain works as a transmitter and receiver, 1438 01:46:49.800 --> 01:46:55.199 and consciousness is not produced in the human brain period. 1439 01:46:55.680 --> 01:46:58.800 I'm just going to say that, because if consciousness was 1440 01:46:58.880 --> 01:47:02.800 limited to the human brain, then things like remote viewing 1441 01:47:02.840 --> 01:47:08.119 would not be possible. Consciousness extends beyond the brain. In fact, 1442 01:47:09.279 --> 01:47:14.760 my understanding is that we are submerged in a field. 1443 01:47:15.399 --> 01:47:19.840 We are immersed in a field of consciousness, and that 1444 01:47:20.600 --> 01:47:24.640 field is filled with information, and that is what we 1445 01:47:24.800 --> 01:47:31.119 can draw on for remote viewing and other psychic abilities. So, yes, 1446 01:47:31.439 --> 01:47:37.760 the brain itself that piece of computing ability that's in 1447 01:47:37.800 --> 01:47:42.800 our brain. I think of our brain as our personal computer, 1448 01:47:42.960 --> 01:47:46.560 with its own hard drive storage for our memories and 1449 01:47:46.640 --> 01:47:55.479 experiences and information about our personalities. But the Internet is 1450 01:47:55.520 --> 01:47:59.199 something not in the computer. It's something that the computer accesses. 1451 01:48:00.159 --> 01:48:03.800 The Internet in this situation would be consciousness. So that's 1452 01:48:03.840 --> 01:48:06.720 the comparison I like to draw, is that the brain 1453 01:48:06.840 --> 01:48:10.560 is a computer, the Internet is consciousness. 1454 01:48:10.840 --> 01:48:12.560 I know what's getting light where you are, So I'm 1455 01:48:12.560 --> 01:48:14.840 gonna ask a few more questions and then I'm gonna 1456 01:48:14.880 --> 01:48:19.279 let you give all your contact and website and YouTube's 1457 01:48:19.359 --> 01:48:23.880 channel information. But sure, can you tell us some about 1458 01:48:23.920 --> 01:48:26.279 Swan's famous Jupiter session. 1459 01:48:27.520 --> 01:48:32.239 Absolutely his. You know, I actually have a video on 1460 01:48:32.279 --> 01:48:34.760 this that I should send you a link to so 1461 01:48:34.840 --> 01:48:38.119 that you're so that your listeners can check it out. 1462 01:48:38.960 --> 01:48:44.000 Swan was Ingo was getting pretty bored of all the 1463 01:48:44.079 --> 01:48:47.439 experiments he was doing with SRI, all these these boring 1464 01:48:47.560 --> 01:48:49.920 tests that they had to keep giving him to prove 1465 01:48:50.079 --> 01:48:53.520 that he could see what's in an envelope or what's 1466 01:48:53.560 --> 01:48:56.319 in the next room. So he said, why don't we 1467 01:48:56.359 --> 01:48:59.760 do something really interesting? You know, we're about to send 1468 01:49:00.840 --> 01:49:05.359 the was this the Pioneer probe to Jupiter during the 1469 01:49:06.039 --> 01:49:08.600 this point in the seventies, this is early seventies. I 1470 01:49:08.600 --> 01:49:11.039 think it was Pioneer that they were sending out there. 1471 01:49:11.079 --> 01:49:11.520 I believe. 1472 01:49:12.319 --> 01:49:16.119 Yeah, he said, why don't we see if I can 1473 01:49:16.319 --> 01:49:21.199 project my consciousness out there before the consciousness before the 1474 01:49:21.199 --> 01:49:26.600 Pioneer probe arrives, and then I will report back what 1475

01:49:26.600 --> 01:49:32.760 what's actually on Jupiter. And so, begrudgingly, how put off 1476 01:49:32.800 --> 01:49:37.800 and Russell targ agreed to run this experiment. And people 1477 01:49:38.000 --> 01:49:43.039 at JPL with with NASA, they said, okay, sure, we're 1478 01:49:43.079 --> 01:49:45.039 going to be We're curious to see what you're going 1479 01:49:45.079 --> 01:49:50.319 to say about this, And so Ingo sat one day. 1480 01:49:50.439 --> 01:49:52.680 Of the fun part of this story is that he 1481 01:49:53.279 --> 01:49:56.640 actually was so stressed out about this that he went 1482 01:49:56.680 --> 01:49:59.520 out for a drink the night before and he was 1483 01:50:00.079 --> 01:50:04.000 he was terribly hungover when he did this experiment. That 1484 01:50:04.079 --> 01:50:06.760 everyone's heard of this experiment, but no one knows how 1485 01:50:06.840 --> 01:50:10.199 hungover he was. This This is part of the fun 1486 01:50:10.279 --> 01:50:13.520 of me getting to learn about who Ingo was. So 1487 01:50:13.600 --> 01:50:19.159 he went into the into Sri terribly hungover. He sits down, 1488 01:50:19.960 --> 01:50:22.560 he had his out of body experience and it took 1489 01:50:22.600 --> 01:50:29.960 him eight minutes to project his consciousness to Jupiter, and 1490 01:50:30.119 --> 01:50:34.560 he wrote a detailed report of what he witnessed there, 1491 01:50:35.279 --> 01:50:38.239 and then he returned to his body. He went home, 1492 01:50:38.680 --> 01:50:40.680 took some aspirin, and he went to bed for the 1493 01:50:40.760 --> 01:50:44.880 rest of the day. And so, of course the Pioneer 1494 01:50:44.920 --> 01:50:49.039 probe did not arrive until I think it was months later, 1495 01:50:49.960 --> 01:50:52.840 and it came back with some information, but it was 1496 01:50:52.920 --> 01:50:58.399 not until I think it was Voyager. The Voyager mission 1497 01:50:58.520 --> 01:51:01.600 went out that all a bunch of the things that 1498 01:51:01.800 --> 01:51:07.880 Ingo reported years before. The Voyager probe is the one 1499 01:51:07.439 --> 01:51:13.359 that confirmed all those things. It was incredible. Even like 1500 01:51:13.560 --> 01:51:17.600 no one knew that Jupiter has a ring. Ingo was 1501 01:51:17.640 --> 01:51:20.640 the one who discovered that Jupiter had a ring around it, 1502 01:51:21.159 --> 01:51:23.760 and it wasn't until the Voyager probe went out that 1503 01:51:23.760 --> 01:51:27.399 that was confirmed. And so that was an incredible story. 1504 01:51:27.439 --> 01:51:29.840 And I have and there's more detail about that that 1505 01:51:29.960 --> 01:51:31.600 I can send you a video link. 1506 01:51:31.399 --> 01:51:35.000 For Okay, if you send it after the show, I'll 1507 01:51:35.039 --> 01:51:36.800 get it up on the site because I leave your 1508 01:51:37.600 --> 01:51:42.239 information up for until about midweek. Sure thing, Yeah, what 1509 01:51:42.359 --> 01:51:46.199 about the alleged moon observations, but you kind of covered 1510 01:51:46.239 --> 01:51:46.800 that earlier. 1511 01:51:47.399 --> 01:51:49.760 We talked a little bit about that, and there is 1512 01:51:49.840 --> 01:51:53.840 some controversy there. There is some controversy there that could 1513 01:51:53.920 --> 01:51:57.880 lead into a much longer story. What Ingo wrote in 1514 01:51:58.000 --> 01:52:03.600 Penetration about remote viewing the Moon, we know that he 1515 01:52:03.840 --> 01:52:08.079 had to speak carefully because what he's talking about in 1516 01:52:08.479 --> 01:52:12.680 his books, some of these were classified operations, and some 1517 01:52:12.760 --> 01:52:16.000 of them are still classified operations. So, for example, anybody 1518 01:52:16.039 --> 01:52:21.239 who's read his book Penetration knows that the name Axelrod, 1519 01:52:21.640 --> 01:52:25.560 the person that told him that wanted him to remote 1520 01:52:25.600 --> 01:52:29.000 view the moon, Axelrod, is not the actual name of 1521 01:52:29.279 --> 01:52:33.279 this person. That is a pseudonym to protect the person 1522 01:52:33.359 --> 01:52:37.840 that was in this particular black program. So when it 1523 01:52:37.880 --> 01:52:41.600 comes to Ngo talking about the Moon, there's a lot 1524 01:52:41.640 --> 01:52:46.920 of safe talk just so he does not you know, 1525 01:52:46.960 --> 01:52:51.560 when when people break oaths and things, they have to 1526 01:52:51.560 --> 01:52:54.840 be careful about how they talk about things. 1527 01:52:53.880 --> 01:52:56.920 He's kind of left clues instead of. 1528 01:52:56.840 --> 01:53:01.359 Answers yes exactly. So a lot of what he writes 1529 01:53:01.479 --> 01:53:06.079 are actually coded memoirs. So some of what he talks 1530 01:53:06.119 --> 01:53:09.600 about on the moon, and I can't even go too 1531 01:53:09.600 --> 01:53:12.760 deeply into this. There are just certain things that I've 1532 01:53:12.800 --> 01:53:16.319 been made privy to that are not in the public 1533 01:53:16.359 --> 01:53:22.199 sphere that, yeah, he had to be really careful, and 1534 01:53:23.000 --> 01:53:26.680 so yes, there are some things about the moon, and 1535 01:53:26.720 --> 01:53:31.119 then there are some things that he described as being 1536 01:53:31.159 --> 01:53:35.239 on the moon because he had to kind of consolidate 1537 01:53:35.319 --> 01:53:39.279 a message into something that people would understand that would 1538 01:53:39.279 --> 01:53:40.600 also keep him out of jail. 1539 01:53:41.199 --> 01:53:43.720 The government securities frustrat. 1540 01:53:43.279 --> 01:53:48.159 Him, Yes, very frustrating. It's very difficult to talk about 1541 01:53:48.199 --> 01:53:50.680 a lot of these topics when you know something but 1542 01:53:50.720 --> 01:53:55.399 you're not allowed to go the extra step. Luckily, things 1543 01:53:55.479 --> 01:54:02.199 are being declassified now and one of the big D 1544 01:54:02.279 --> 01:54:05.520

classifications that has come out in book form, I think 1545 01:54:05.680 --> 01:54:09.760 just this past year is Project eighty two hundred. I 1546 01:54:09.800 --> 01:54:13.319 think that's the name of the book. So if your 1547 01:54:13.399 --> 01:54:16.960 listeners want to hear one of the big D classifications 1548 01:54:16.960 --> 01:54:20.840 that has come out of the remote viewing program the 1549 01:54:20.880 --> 01:54:27.079 early days regarding et bases here on Earth, that is 1550 01:54:27.439 --> 01:54:31.000 the nature of what that book is about. And some 1551 01:54:31.279 --> 01:54:35.880 of that same information is touched on in Penetration, but 1552 01:54:36.600 --> 01:54:38.560 ingo is not allowed to talk about it in more 1553 01:54:38.600 --> 01:54:40.279 specific terms. 1554 01:54:40.840 --> 01:54:44.279 One final question, if Ingo were alive today, what do 1555 01:54:44.319 --> 01:54:46.279 you think would surprise him most? 1556 01:54:46.600 --> 01:54:50.079 Oh boy, Okay, I actually do have an answer for this. 1557 01:54:50.760 --> 01:54:53.680 It's not the most pleasant answer, but I'm going to 1558 01:54:53.760 --> 01:55:00.279 answer that honestly, because I've seen hours upon ours of 1559 01:55:00.439 --> 01:55:05.439 interview footage with Ingo, and that includes footage of him 1560 01:55:05.760 --> 01:55:09.760 when he didn't know the camera was rolling, and footage 1561 01:55:09.800 --> 01:55:16.079 of him becoming frustrated, And from what I've gathered from him, 1562 01:55:16.560 --> 01:55:22.119 I think he would be frustrated by how short attention 1563 01:55:22.279 --> 01:55:28.079 spans are, how little interest people have in human ability. 1564 01:55:28.760 --> 01:55:31.640 There were so many things that he wanted to teach 1565 01:55:31.760 --> 01:55:36.640 people about their own abilities, about we all live in 1566 01:55:36.680 --> 01:55:40.399 these tiny boxes that we create for ourselves, or where 1567 01:55:40.399 --> 01:55:42.840 we want to fit into society in a certain way. 1568 01:55:44.000 --> 01:55:50.039 And I think one of Ingo's great frustrations, certainly toward 1569 01:55:50.079 --> 01:55:53.359 the end of his life, is that he uncovered so 1570 01:55:53.560 --> 01:55:59.840 much about human potential and so many people glossed over 1571 01:55:59.880 --> 01:56:05.359 it and they just didn't care enough to learn more 1572 01:56:05.520 --> 01:56:09.960 about what they're capable of. So, Yes, if he was 1573 01:56:10.000 --> 01:56:15.760 alive today, I think he would be tired of challenging 1574 01:56:15.800 --> 01:56:20.239 people to think harder about what we could do and 1575 01:56:20.319 --> 01:56:24.600 what we could improve for the human race as a whole. 1576 01:56:25.119 --> 01:56:28.800 I'll ask you now, you want to give your YouTube 1577 01:56:28.840 --> 01:56:33.199 site where people could view your your movies and documentaries. 1578 01:56:35.119 --> 01:56:38.479 Yes, I'll give you a link. My

YouTube page is 1579 01:56:39.359 --> 01:56:42.840 just Fabian rush Films. I think that's just Fabian. That's 1580 01:56:42.920 --> 01:56:46.760 YouTube dot com slash Fabian Rush Films, and I have 1581 01:56:46.840 --> 01:56:49.880 a lot of random stuff on there, stuff from my 1582 01:56:50.000 --> 01:56:54.439 band as well. But there is a specific portion of 1583 01:56:54.960 --> 01:56:59.319 that YouTube page that's devoted to the Ingo Swan documentary 1584 01:56:59.319 --> 01:57:02.159 that I'm working on, which is called Into the Void 1585 01:57:03.199 --> 01:57:06.439 or N two V, so I can give you a 1586 01:57:06.520 --> 01:57:13.479 link directly to that. There's also the Facebook page for 1587 01:57:13.560 --> 01:57:19.039 future Applications for Remote Viewing, which I think is just Fabian. Sorry, 1588 01:57:19.079 --> 01:57:24.199 it's just Facebook dot com slash project fa r V 1589 01:57:26.159 --> 01:57:30.680 and I guess those would be the most relevant web pages. 1590 01:57:30.840 --> 01:57:34.880 There's also a web page for the documentary itself, which 1591 01:57:34.920 --> 01:57:36.960 is currently being built out, and I'll give you the 1592 01:57:37.000 --> 01:57:39.479 link to that as well. So I think those are 1593 01:57:39.520 --> 01:57:41.600 the most relevant for your listeners here. 1594 01:57:42.359 --> 01:57:44.479 All right, Do you have an actual website or you 1595 01:57:44.520 --> 01:57:45.640 haven't developed one yet? 1596 01:57:46.199 --> 01:57:51.680 No, I'm not. I tend to stay out of the 1597 01:57:52.239 --> 01:57:56.319 stream of things. I'm more of an experimental person than 1598 01:57:56.399 --> 01:58:00.199 I am a spokesperson that usually goes out and and 1599 01:58:00.319 --> 01:58:03.520 does many interviews, So this has been a lot of 1600 01:58:03.560 --> 01:58:07.720 fun for me actually talking with you. Usually I'm the 1601 01:58:07.720 --> 01:58:13.840 one interviewing people. I've interviewed. I had a wonderful conversation 1602 01:58:14.239 --> 01:58:18.800 with Russell targ and I've interviewed other people who knew Ingo, 1603 01:58:19.159 --> 01:58:22.239 So I'm usually on the other side of this, and 1604 01:58:22.359 --> 01:58:27.439 I'll put out documentaries. But no, I've not consolidated everything 1605 01:58:27.479 --> 01:58:32.359 to one web page because I guess I don't want 1606 01:58:32.399 --> 01:58:35.800 to be too caught up in social media as I'm 1607 01:58:35.840 --> 01:58:40.479 trying to produce things that'll be released elsewhere, and I'm 1608 01:58:40.479 --> 01:58:44.319 trying to be on more the experimental front. And then 1609 01:58:44.439 --> 01:58:48.760 once I've had breakthroughs with various experiments, that's when I 1610 01:58:48.760 --> 01:58:52.319 would focus more on getting the word out well. 1611 01:58:52.359 --> 01:58:54.479 Saby, And it has been an honor having you here, 1612 01:58:54.680 --> 01:58:56.399 and I want to have you back. Would you be 1613 01:58:56.520

--> 01:59:01.520 interested sometime around late September are during the month of October. 1614 01:59:02.239 --> 01:59:06.119 Absolutely. This has been so much fun and I don't 1615 01:59:06.199 --> 01:59:09.159 get to have this conversation very often, so I'd love to. 1616 01:59:09.600 --> 01:59:12.800 It's been a pleasure talking with you, so I'd love 1617 01:59:12.840 --> 01:59:13.359 to come back. 1618 01:59:13.840 --> 01:59:16.199 Well, thank you, sir. I have some other questions I'd 1619 01:59:16.239 --> 01:59:20.039 like to ask you about UFOs and consciousness and the 1620 01:59:21.079 --> 01:59:25.079 disclosure situation. Our lack of disclosure is what I call it. 1621 01:59:25.720 --> 01:59:30.479 Yes, it's a comedic lack of disclosure. But it's a start. 1622 01:59:30.680 --> 01:59:34.239 It's a very introductory, low grade start. 1623 01:59:35.159 --> 01:59:40.039 Well, hopefully it'll accelerate. We'll see, but I will contact 1624 01:59:40.079 --> 01:59:42.640 you about having you back. And once again, I appreciate 1625 01:59:42.680 --> 01:59:46.560 you being on, and I thank you for your time 1626 01:59:46.600 --> 01:59:48.840 this evening. I know it's getting like where you're located. 1627 01:59:49.279 --> 01:59:51.520 Well, thank you so much for having me. And I'm 1628 01:59:51.560 --> 01:59:54.279 all pumped up now so I'm probably going to bed 1629 01:59:54.399 --> 01:59:57.520 extra late anyway. But it's been such a pleasure talking 1630 01:59:57.560 --> 01:59:57.800 with you. 1631 01:59:58.600 --> 02:00:03.159 Thank you, sir. And and I'll start the closing of. 1632 02:00:03.079 --> 02:00:06.479 The program, joined host Carl Richardson as he interviews top 1633 02:00:06.520 --> 02:00:10.560 guests in various fields of study, now airing live every 1634 02:00:10.640 --> 02:00:13.840 Saturday night from nine to eleven Central Time and ten 1635 02:00:13.880 --> 02:00:15.279 pm to midnight Eastern. 1636 02:00:16.039 --> 02:00:18.560 Well, my friends, we've come to the end of another 1637 02:00:19.000 --> 02:00:24.119 remarkable journey. Tonight, Fabian rush helpless venture into one of 1638 02:00:24.119 --> 02:00:29.359 the most fascinating frontiers known to humanity, the unexplored landscape 1639 02:00:29.439 --> 02:00:33.520 of consciousness. We've traveled through the remarkable life and work 1640 02:00:33.640 --> 02:00:38.560 of ingel Swan. We've examined the government's remote viewing program, 1641 02:00:39.039 --> 02:00:43.600 questioned the very nature of reality, and considered the possibility 1642 02:00:43.680 --> 02:00:47.159 that the greatest mystery in the universe isn't somewhere out 1643 02:00:47.239 --> 02:00:51.159 among the stars, it may be inside each and every 1644 02:00:51.159 --> 02:00:55.720 one of us. Whether you're convinced that remote viewing represents 1645 02:00:55.760 --> 02:01:00.199 an untapped human ability, while you're still weighing the evident, 1646 02:01:01.079 --> 02:01:05.119 I hope tonight has

inspired you to ask questions, because 1647 02:01:05.239 --> 02:01:10.159 that's what midnight frequency radio is all about, not telling 1648 02:01:10.199 --> 02:01:14.800 you what to believe, but encouraging you to think, to question, 1649 02:01:15.600 --> 02:01:21.159 to explore, because history has taught us that today's impossibilities 1650 02:01:21.840 --> 02:01:27.880 often become tomorrow's accepted facts. A heartfelt thank you to 1651 02:01:28.039 --> 02:01:31.239 Fabian Rush for spending the evening with us and sharing 1652 02:01:31.319 --> 02:01:35.880 his knowledge and his passion for uncovering the mysteries that 1653 02:01:36.039 --> 02:01:41.079 continue to challenge our understanding of reality. And to all 1654 02:01:41.079 --> 02:01:44.600 of you listening across America and around the world are 1655 02:01:44.680 --> 02:01:48.199 wherever this signal found you tonight, thank you for spending 1656 02:01:48.239 --> 02:01:53.119 part of your evening with us. Without your curiosity, your questions, 1657 02:01:53.279 --> 02:01:56.920 and your willingness to explore the unknown, none of this 1658 02:01:57.159 --> 02:02:01.119 would be possible now. If your thoughts night scratched the 1659 02:02:01.119 --> 02:02:06.359 boundaries of what's possible, just wait until next Saturday. Joining 1660 02:02:06.399 --> 02:02:11.640 me here on midnight Frequency Radio will be award winning filmmaker, researcher, 1661 02:02:12.159 --> 02:02:16.079 media entrepreneur, and one of the most respected voices in 1662 02:02:16.159 --> 02:02:22.079 today's disclosure movement, Ron James. Ron serves as the media 1663 02:02:22.159 --> 02:02:26.640 relations director for MUFON, sits on the board of directors 1664 02:02:26.720 --> 02:02:30.439 of the Hollywood Disclosure Alliance, and has become one of 1665 02:02:30.439 --> 02:02:35.800 the leading voices documenting the rapidly changing landscape of up disclosure. 1666 02:02:36.840 --> 02:02:39.199 We'll be taking a hard look at the true state 1667 02:02:39.279 --> 02:02:44.359 of disclosure, not the headlines, not the rumors, but where 1668 02:02:44.399 --> 02:02:49.560 we actually stand. After years of congressional hearings, whistleblower testimony, 1669 02:02:50.119 --> 02:02:56.439 military videos, and official government acknowledgments as disclosure truly began, 1670 02:02:57.319 --> 02:03:02.279 what are governments still withholding? Why are so many intelligence officials, 1671 02:03:02.359 --> 02:03:07.960 military personnel and scientists now speaking publicly, And perhaps the 1672 02:03:07.960 --> 02:03:12.279 biggest question of all, are we witnessing the greatest revolution 1673 02:03:12.520 --> 02:03:16.079 in human history? Or are we just seeing the very 1674 02:03:16.119 --> 02:03:22.079 first chapter. We'll also be discussing Ron's latest award winning documentary, 1675 02:03:23.079 --> 02:03:28.600 Accidental Truth next, the follow up of the internationally acclaim 1676 02:03:29.119 --> 02:03:35.600 Accidental Truth UFO revelations, This new film explores where the 1677 02:03:35.640 --> 02:03:41.399 disclosure movement is heading next, featuring new evidence, new witnesses, 1678 02:03:42.319 --> 02:03:45.479 and a deeper examination of one of the most important 1679 02:03:45.560 --> 02:03:50.720 stories unfolding in our lifetime. If you've been following recent 1680 02:03:50.760 --> 02:03:56.600 developments in the world of ups, non human intelligence, congressional investigation, 1681 02:03:57.279 --> 02:04:03.199 and government transparency, I want to miss this conversation that's 1682 02:04:03.359 --> 02:04:08.760 next Saturday night, right here on Midnight Frequency Radio. Until then, 1683 02:04:09.279 --> 02:04:14.560 keep looking up, keep asking the difficult questions, never stop 1684 02:04:14.640 --> 02:04:18.680 searching for the truth, no matter where it leads. From 1685 02:04:18.720 --> 02:04:23.840 the beautiful Ozark Foothills of northeast Arkansas, I'm Carl Richardson. 1686 02:04:24.520 --> 02:04:25.359 Good Night, Everyone 1687 02:05:03.960 --> 02:05:05.600 Complaints,