النص الكامل لحلقة Special Guest: Greg Piccolo

it, 96 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:50,159 G m and sonny s. So you heard 97 00:03:50,159 --> 00:03:52,000 all those guys early on didn't know who 98 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,000 they were. Well, I don't... I may have. 99 00:03:54,413 --> 00:03:56,321 I I didn't figure out who they were 100 00:03:56,321 --> 00:03:57,672 until I joined room full for flight I 101 00:03:57,672 --> 00:03:59,818 was 19 years old. I see. And that's 102 00:03:59,818 --> 00:04:02,442 when... The the horn version of room full 103 00:04:02,442 --> 00:04:03,419 came into being 104 00:04:03,968 --> 00:04:06,121 and it was 2 horns the first year, 105 00:04:07,396 --> 00:04:09,389 Rich and I, Rich Lat ty and myself, 106 00:04:09,788 --> 00:04:12,155 And I, I played Harmonic and that being 107 00:04:12,274 --> 00:04:14,902 man twos. Really? Yeah. I had no idea. 108 00:04:15,141 --> 00:04:16,575 I had to let it go, man. I 109 00:04:16,575 --> 00:04:18,566 had no idea. Here at my lips. 110 00:04:21,288 --> 00:04:23,434 These guys are nuts. Yeah. We are, man. 111 00:04:23,593 --> 00:04:25,660 We like like like Dave Myers said, we 112 00:04:25,660 --> 00:04:27,885 just kinda blow brains out throughout our Harmonic. 113 00:04:29,731 --> 00:04:31,246 If you could do it without your whoops 114 00:04:31,246 --> 00:04:34,276 bleeding. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. I remember the the 115 00:04:34,276 --> 00:04:36,509 hard sheets to swell remotely when you get 116 00:04:36,509 --> 00:04:37,386 too much saliva, 117 00:04:37,958 --> 00:04:39,789 They would try start to swell and you'd 118 00:04:39,789 --> 00:04:42,017 be cutting your lips all up. Yeah. Yeah. 119 00:04:42,335 --> 00:04:44,006 That's what happened to me. I I didn't 120 00:04:44,006 --> 00:04:45,222 know why, but it 121 00:04:45,534 --> 00:04:48,107 that did you start singing right away? Or 122 00:04:48,485 --> 00:04:50,479 I saying, you know, I started a band 123 00:04:50,479 --> 00:04:52,632 when I was 13. U. You know, I 124 00:04:52,632 --> 00:04:53,451 had an alto, 125 00:04:53,908 --> 00:04:56,177 but I sang all was song. Lungs and, 126 00:04:56,869 --> 00:04:57,744 you know, I just... 127 00:04:58,539 --> 00:04:59,890 You know, I was the leader of the 128 00:04:59,890 --> 00:05:01,503 band. Right. And 129 00:05:02,036 --> 00:05:04,440 that's... I think that's kinda goes with being 130 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:07,232 the leader. You know. Right. Right. Yeah. 131 00:05:07,949 --> 00:05:10,204 And, I had a, you know, a great 132 00:05:10,342 --> 00:05:10,842 teenage, 133 00:05:11,618 --> 00:05:11,937 you know, 134 00:05:13,467 --> 00:05:17,136 hood or whatever Teenage should, Yep. And it 135 00:05:17,136 --> 00:05:17,636 was 136 00:05:18,970 --> 00:05:20,805 it was it was amazing. It was, like, 137 00:05:20,885 --> 00:05:22,972 you know, we we always had more, you, 138 00:05:23,210 --> 00:05:24,559 I was in school. I I was in 139 00:05:24,559 --> 00:05:25,750 junior high. Mh. 140 00:05:26,861 --> 00:05:28,527 At towards the end of junior high when 141 00:05:28,607 --> 00:05:30,139 I started the first band 142 00:05:30,847 --> 00:05:32,440 stayed that way all through high school, 143 00:05:33,237 --> 00:05:35,708 played in the summertime down the beach down 144 00:05:35,708 --> 00:05:36,208 this. 145 00:05:38,112 --> 00:05:39,884 Every night. Yeah. And 146 00:05:40,338 --> 00:05:40,735 it was... 147 00:05:42,166 --> 00:05:44,391 I used to really feel like I'm... You 148 00:05:44,391 --> 00:05:46,799 know, I felt more like a star 149 00:05:47,509 --> 00:05:49,509 Did yeah? Yeah. I was like yeah. I 150 00:05:49,509 --> 00:05:51,910 didn't know as a teenager. Right. Whatever. I. 151 00:05:52,149 --> 00:05:53,910 I could see that. I could totally see 152 00:05:53,910 --> 00:05:55,757 that. Yeah. And you ever since then, it's 153 00:05:55,757 --> 00:05:56,155 been like, 154 00:05:57,030 --> 00:05:58,304 more humbling than know. 155 00:06:01,409 --> 00:06:03,413 That's great. And And you know, people love 156 00:06:03,413 --> 00:06:05,401 it. People say they like, you know, they 157 00:06:05,401 --> 00:06:06,673 they love what I do, and I say, 158 00:06:06,991 --> 00:06:08,820 you don't know who I listen to. Right. 159 00:06:09,059 --> 00:06:10,808 You're telling me that right now. You know? 160 00:06:10,967 --> 00:06:14,033 Right. And, you know, I accept the the 161 00:06:14,252 --> 00:06:17,229 the compliments, but but I can't do 162 00:06:17,767 --> 00:06:20,259 the guys who I aspire, you know, to. 163 00:06:20,419 --> 00:06:22,819 I I can do what they do. Yeah. 164 00:06:23,139 --> 00:06:24,100 Right. I try. 165 00:06:24,660 --> 00:06:26,980 Yeah. And and what's weird is that we're 166 00:06:26,980 --> 00:06:30,048 such a... It's we're such a tiny little 167 00:06:30,106 --> 00:06:31,084 sliver of everything. 168 00:06:31,938 --> 00:06:32,654 You what I mean? 169 00:06:33,371 --> 00:06:35,681 I mean, the musicians like that are end 170 00:06:35,681 --> 00:06:37,928 of the genre we're into Such a tiny 171 00:06:37,928 --> 00:06:40,403 little sliver. And then you have an even 172 00:06:40,403 --> 00:06:42,100 tin or sliver of the grades 173 00:06:42,957 --> 00:06:43,995 that were, you know, 174 00:06:45,991 --> 00:06:48,425 I I'd I can't argue with that 175 00:06:49,444 --> 00:06:51,125 in this area, nobody ever even... 176 00:06:51,925 --> 00:06:54,345 Maybe someone knew about that music, but 177 00:06:55,139 --> 00:06:56,737 when I decided to join room forward when 178 00:06:56,817 --> 00:06:58,276 I was 19, and I 179 00:06:59,055 --> 00:07:00,812 I was leaving my rock and old band, 180 00:07:00,972 --> 00:07:02,890 that it was making, you know, was all 181 00:07:02,890 --> 00:07:05,209 re. To. Right. But there was no market 182 00:07:05,209 --> 00:07:07,352 for room for here and Right. For what 183 00:07:07,352 --> 00:07:09,813 we did. Yeah. I just knew I wanted 184 00:07:09,813 --> 00:07:11,718 to play with duke because he was Yeah. 185 00:07:12,369 --> 00:07:14,285 So good. Yeah.

It still is. 186 00:07:15,482 --> 00:07:17,238 What kind of gauge were you guys able 187 00:07:17,238 --> 00:07:19,016 to get in the early was are. 188 00:07:21,230 --> 00:07:21,285 It's 189 00:07:22,041 --> 00:07:24,349 I was booking the band too. Mh. That's 190 00:07:24,508 --> 00:07:26,042 I used to take a phone book 191 00:07:26,577 --> 00:07:28,089 from a different town And go to a 192 00:07:28,089 --> 00:07:30,567 different town. Every... Day, look in the phone 193 00:07:30,567 --> 00:07:30,805 book, 194 00:07:31,758 --> 00:07:34,560 look up bars and, you know, places that 195 00:07:34,774 --> 00:07:35,727 might have music, 196 00:07:36,282 --> 00:07:38,784 go in there with a tape day and 197 00:07:39,962 --> 00:07:42,379 that's how we got gigs. And else that's 198 00:07:42,598 --> 00:07:44,276 isn't not amazing that you could go in 199 00:07:44,276 --> 00:07:44,915 with a tape, 200 00:07:45,555 --> 00:07:48,282 and get gigs. Yeah. That's like an amazing 201 00:07:48,282 --> 00:07:50,994 thing. And it it was it's so different 202 00:07:50,994 --> 00:07:53,386 now. It's, yeah sad, and it's good and 203 00:07:53,386 --> 00:07:55,561 but it's sad at the same time. And 204 00:07:55,874 --> 00:07:58,612 there's no middle ground anymore. There's nothing there's 205 00:07:58,751 --> 00:07:59,471 there's nothing. 206 00:07:59,950 --> 00:08:02,348 There's everything and this right there's really 1 207 00:08:02,348 --> 00:08:04,745 between. I don't know you do. No. I 208 00:08:04,745 --> 00:08:06,359 don't know how I do I do either. 209 00:08:06,918 --> 00:08:09,635 I I love to play, I'm happy when 210 00:08:09,795 --> 00:08:12,592 I play. Right. If 1 person likes what 211 00:08:12,752 --> 00:08:13,151 I do, 212 00:08:14,350 --> 00:08:16,193 that's all I need... Mh, you know, I 213 00:08:16,193 --> 00:08:18,652 I'm I'm... Because I'm not selling to the 214 00:08:18,652 --> 00:08:19,128 masses. 215 00:08:19,604 --> 00:08:20,080 Right anywhere. 216 00:08:20,794 --> 00:08:20,873 Right. 217 00:08:21,825 --> 00:08:21,879 I 218 00:08:22,632 --> 00:08:25,272 So I've I've willing to accept 219 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:28,735 and, you know, I'm 73 years old. So 220 00:08:28,814 --> 00:08:29,290 Mh. 221 00:08:30,260 --> 00:08:30,658 I'm not. 222 00:08:31,453 --> 00:08:34,079 Now expecting any You're younger than duke. Is 223 00:08:34,079 --> 00:08:36,228 that right? Yeah. Yep. Duke 75. 224 00:08:36,546 --> 00:08:38,877 Right. Okay. I think it'll be 76 this 225 00:08:38,877 --> 00:08:39,756 year or something Yeah. 226 00:08:41,914 --> 00:08:44,731 So when did Doug James join? Was he 227 00:08:44,870 --> 00:08:45,325 75 228 00:08:45,682 --> 00:08:46,319 71. 229 00:08:46,557 --> 00:08:50,137 Oh, 71. Okay. Yeah. 70 the the late 230 00:08:50,137 --> 00:08:51,410 summer of 71. 231 00:08:51,728 --> 00:08:54,779 Okay. That's Duke could left the band, going 232 00:08:54,779 --> 00:08:55,340 to Maine, 233 00:08:56,379 --> 00:08:59,019 taking his cover, you know, Dung Is off. 234 00:08:59,500 --> 00:09:01,634 Right come back and he would he became 235 00:09:01,674 --> 00:09:04,152 the duke. Right he was honey beer before 236 00:09:04,152 --> 00:09:05,131 that. He was 237 00:09:06,389 --> 00:09:06,889 right 238 00:09:08,147 --> 00:09:09,879 He was always the best the 239 00:09:11,192 --> 00:09:12,942 you know, even when I met him when... 240 00:09:13,976 --> 00:09:15,010 He was 13. 241 00:09:16,442 --> 00:09:19,240 He was great. So you were, like, 11 242 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:19,717 when you at? 243 00:09:20,591 --> 00:09:23,532 I was 13. He was 15. He was. 244 00:09:24,089 --> 00:09:25,917 Right. He moved into this town. 245 00:09:26,648 --> 00:09:28,636 Mh. And he walked up to me. I 246 00:09:28,636 --> 00:09:30,544 was playing at the Y C. They had 247 00:09:30,544 --> 00:09:33,089 a teenage thing on Friday night. Mh. 248 00:09:34,521 --> 00:09:36,919 And he sent to me after we played 249 00:09:36,919 --> 00:09:38,429 the set, and I didn't know. I mean, 250 00:09:38,587 --> 00:09:39,087 and 251 00:09:39,461 --> 00:09:40,971 he said, what's your favorite songs? 252 00:09:41,845 --> 00:09:44,420 And I said instantly, reel and rock and 253 00:09:44,420 --> 00:09:46,660 roll over Bay beethoven and around and around. 254 00:09:47,300 --> 00:09:49,139 And then he said, have you ever heard 255 00:09:49,139 --> 00:09:49,940 a chuck Berry. 256 00:09:51,154 --> 00:09:52,747 And I said I said no. 257 00:09:54,739 --> 00:09:55,956 That's funny. 258 00:09:56,890 --> 00:09:59,201 That is funny. I go to the beatles 259 00:09:59,201 --> 00:10:01,129 the rolling stones and the Dave Clark 5. 260 00:10:01,369 --> 00:10:04,165 That is so funny. So I my favorite 261 00:10:04,165 --> 00:10:06,264 songs on being unbeknownst to me. We're all 262 00:10:06,642 --> 00:10:08,480 very sorry. That is so funny. 263 00:10:09,294 --> 00:10:11,932 Yeah. That's great. And, so that's how I 264 00:10:11,932 --> 00:10:13,929 met duke. Yeah. That's great. 265 00:10:15,128 --> 00:10:15,288 So, 266 00:10:16,087 --> 00:10:18,779 who are the... So so besides, like those 267 00:10:18,899 --> 00:10:21,202 slack or all starts or the first blues 268 00:10:21,202 --> 00:10:22,711 songs you can think of this you were 269 00:10:22,711 --> 00:10:22,870 into. 270 00:10:24,061 --> 00:10:24,617 I had... 271 00:10:25,491 --> 00:10:27,572 When I was started to spark floor. 272 00:10:28,369 --> 00:10:30,201 You know, there was... They used to be 273 00:10:30,201 --> 00:10:32,591 record clubs. Like... Right. I remember though she 274 00:10:32,591 --> 00:10:34,901 got Columbia record club. Yeah. And I remember 275 00:10:35,060 --> 00:10:37,143 I ordered the the best of muddy waters. 276 00:10:37,619 --> 00:10:39,362 Okay. You know, that I love that cover. 277 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:41,844 You know. Right. Yeah. Right. And 278 00:10:43,008 --> 00:10:45,327 this... It's it's a compilation of from the 279 00:10:45,327 --> 00:10:46,543 other records, I think 280

00:10:46,919 --> 00:10:48,590 Big Walter was on there. A little Walter 281 00:10:48,590 --> 00:10:50,340 was on there. I I don't... I don't 282 00:10:50,340 --> 00:10:52,423 even know who the and it was. Right. 283 00:10:52,741 --> 00:10:54,194 And the first time I heard 284 00:10:54,807 --> 00:10:55,704 a harmonic. 285 00:10:56,953 --> 00:10:58,462 I didn't know what it was. I Right. 286 00:10:58,701 --> 00:11:00,703 I thought it was home I went. Oh, 287 00:11:00,862 --> 00:11:02,691 really. Yeah. I thought it was a Sa 288 00:11:02,691 --> 00:11:02,929 phone. 289 00:11:03,804 --> 00:11:05,473 Yeah when I first heard. The only thing 290 00:11:05,632 --> 00:11:07,223 I could think of is like, you know 291 00:11:07,223 --> 00:11:08,549 what is that? You know, it's a 292 00:11:09,701 --> 00:11:10,416 So that's... 293 00:11:11,448 --> 00:11:13,751 Yeah. I still love that record. Oh, man. 294 00:11:13,989 --> 00:11:15,895 Tell me about it's heavy. Yeah. It's a 295 00:11:15,895 --> 00:11:16,927 very heavy record. 296 00:11:19,330 --> 00:11:19,729 So 297 00:11:21,245 --> 00:11:23,717 so you you played in the early room. 298 00:11:23,877 --> 00:11:26,450 You said you played both Harmonic and Sa 299 00:11:26,588 --> 00:11:26,908 in it. 300 00:11:28,038 --> 00:11:31,370 In 19 68 in 19 70 to 19 301 00:11:31,370 --> 00:11:32,980 71, and I played 302 00:11:33,432 --> 00:11:35,177 played this rich rich and I were in 303 00:11:35,177 --> 00:11:35,653 the band, 304 00:11:36,622 --> 00:11:38,693 2 sacks. Right. And I was still playing 305 00:11:39,012 --> 00:11:41,402 Harmonic. I had played before that. I was 306 00:11:41,402 --> 00:11:42,221 in the band 307 00:11:43,234 --> 00:11:45,519 once before I joined, you know, kind of 308 00:11:45,639 --> 00:11:47,871 permanently. Mh. And and then I went back 309 00:11:47,871 --> 00:11:50,024 to my rock and roll thing. I remember 310 00:11:50,024 --> 00:11:50,423 playing, 311 00:11:50,981 --> 00:11:52,916 you knew Haven in Connecticut it was 312 00:11:53,293 --> 00:11:54,304 I don't know if it was 313 00:11:54,741 --> 00:11:57,700 it was cold. Mh. And I'm playing the. 314 00:11:58,469 --> 00:12:01,166 If my nose is running Oh, man. And 315 00:12:01,324 --> 00:12:02,355 I got a big snack. 316 00:12:05,788 --> 00:12:07,855 That's when you gave it up. I said 317 00:12:07,855 --> 00:12:09,842 this ain't for me. Yeah. I don't blame 318 00:12:09,842 --> 00:12:11,431 me. That sounds horrible. Yeah. 319 00:12:12,483 --> 00:12:13,520 I can't imagine. 320 00:12:14,159 --> 00:12:17,192 So what what were your... Your first recording 321 00:12:17,192 --> 00:12:17,671 was on... 322 00:12:18,549 --> 00:12:20,385 Was that a round or? What label was 323 00:12:20,385 --> 00:12:21,440 that first 1. 324 00:12:22,079 --> 00:12:23,839 Room, the room full 1. Yeah. 325 00:12:24,799 --> 00:12:26,879 We made a couple of 40 fives oh 326 00:12:26,879 --> 00:12:29,199 to the room tone label. We own label 327 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:31,522 Right. And

that wasn't berries label. Was it 328 00:12:31,522 --> 00:12:32,236 very broad? 329 00:12:33,349 --> 00:12:35,255 No. No. But that wouldn't be... That was 330 00:12:35,255 --> 00:12:36,606 the blueberry bear or something? 331 00:12:37,498 --> 00:12:40,151 Oh, yeah. I remember that guy. Yeah I 332 00:12:40,768 --> 00:12:42,443 I wasn't in the band. I think that 333 00:12:42,443 --> 00:12:44,835 was black cat maybe or... Okay. Yeah man. 334 00:12:45,075 --> 00:12:46,590 Right. Right Right. Right. Right. 335 00:12:47,801 --> 00:12:50,749 Yeah. Because Barry Barry and Fran both knew 336 00:12:51,386 --> 00:12:53,777 my friend Barry Broad. He was having 1 337 00:12:53,777 --> 00:12:55,943 of the manager you know Barry. I know 338 00:12:55,943 --> 00:12:58,333 very really well. He did the first first 339 00:12:58,333 --> 00:12:59,789 record on me in 19 340 00:13:00,484 --> 00:13:01,201 79. 341 00:13:02,090 --> 00:13:02,885 Cool. Yeah. 342 00:13:03,521 --> 00:13:04,633 Tree of hope records. 343 00:13:05,587 --> 00:13:07,732 He said a... You still around? How are 344 00:13:07,732 --> 00:13:08,527 you died, man. 345 00:13:09,497 --> 00:13:11,650 Yeah. Think he moved to Michigan or something 346 00:13:11,650 --> 00:13:13,563 or. I don't know he lived in San 347 00:13:13,722 --> 00:13:16,034 Francisco when I account. But I remember he 348 00:13:16,034 --> 00:13:16,512 moved 349 00:13:17,404 --> 00:13:19,401 somewhere else he he ended up Marrying, I 350 00:13:19,401 --> 00:13:20,141 think a 351 00:13:20,680 --> 00:13:23,476 lady from some other some country in Asia, 352 00:13:23,635 --> 00:13:25,328 I think. Something I'm not sure. 353 00:13:26,287 --> 00:13:28,525 First, he had a a Asian wife and 354 00:13:28,525 --> 00:13:29,563 then they divorced, 355 00:13:30,283 --> 00:13:31,721 and then I don't know who he married 356 00:13:31,721 --> 00:13:34,128 after that. I'm not sure Yeah. I I 357 00:13:34,128 --> 00:13:35,956 didn't know I mean, I knew him you 358 00:13:35,956 --> 00:13:37,626 know, we we were friendly with each other 359 00:13:37,706 --> 00:13:39,217 But that he was in providence would, you 360 00:13:39,217 --> 00:13:41,841 know, do they all live together. Yeah. Him 361 00:13:41,841 --> 00:13:44,330 finance and and and I wasn't in the 362 00:13:44,330 --> 00:13:47,370 band then and said. Yeah. I was down 363 00:13:47,370 --> 00:13:48,089 here. Right. 364 00:13:49,769 --> 00:13:50,009 So, 365 00:13:52,976 --> 00:13:54,671 you were in the band from 366 00:13:56,003 --> 00:13:57,061 from 70 367 00:13:57,438 --> 00:14:00,248 19 70 until what what date 368 00:14:01,038 --> 00:14:02,630 In 2 that been for almost 20 years. 369 00:14:03,028 --> 00:14:05,656 25 years. 25 years yeah. It wasn't it 370 00:14:05,656 --> 00:14:07,726 was April of 19 94. 371 00:14:08,124 --> 00:14:09,022 Right? So 372 00:14:10,771 --> 00:14:12,128 month before my birthday. 373 00:14:13,006 --> 00:14:13,565 It would have been... 374 00:14:15,162 --> 00:14:16,759 You know, I think it was 02:25 375 00:14:16,759 --> 00:14:18,595 years. So that's a really long time. 376 00:14:19,329 --> 00:14:21,187 Well, I've been out of the band for 377 00:14:21,246 --> 00:14:23,823 over 30 for over 30 years 378 00:14:24,202 --> 00:14:24,601 okay. 379 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:27,566 Now at 1 point did something happen with 380 00:14:27,566 --> 00:14:29,556 your voice where you lost your voice or 381 00:14:29,556 --> 00:14:32,103 something? I had polyps and and oh, yeah, 382 00:14:32,262 --> 00:14:34,744 Polyps. Yeah I was tearing my. Self pieces 383 00:14:34,744 --> 00:14:37,052 with the Right. What I was trying to 384 00:14:37,052 --> 00:14:39,121 do with that band and Right. You know, 385 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:41,031 I just haven't got the chops for that. 386 00:14:41,191 --> 00:14:43,100 Now did you ever take vocal lessons? 387 00:14:43,594 --> 00:14:46,471 I did after. Afterwards. Yeah. Right... That's the 388 00:14:46,471 --> 00:14:48,629 kind of thing Yeah. I still, I'm not... 389 00:14:48,869 --> 00:14:50,787 You know, my voice is when it's there. 390 00:14:51,026 --> 00:14:53,514 I'm really happy. Right. You know, I people 391 00:14:53,514 --> 00:14:55,818 like my singing. Right. But I'm not really 392 00:14:55,818 --> 00:14:56,374 a singer. 393 00:14:57,248 --> 00:14:58,996 Like, I'm not... I can't get out there 394 00:14:58,996 --> 00:15:01,321 every night and do it. For the 500 395 00:15:01,321 --> 00:15:04,753 nights, 300 nights a year. Right. Right. I 396 00:15:04,753 --> 00:15:06,668 don't know how Guys do that. But it 397 00:15:06,668 --> 00:15:08,320 seems like your voice is really 398 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:11,480 your voices has really come along over the 399 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:13,399 years and developed into something. 400 00:15:14,039 --> 00:15:15,695 Well, there's a little bit closer 401 00:15:16,294 --> 00:15:17,034 I have, 402 00:15:17,732 --> 00:15:19,650 you know, I I really try. 403 00:15:20,609 --> 00:15:22,687 You know, I'm I, I think I have 404 00:15:22,687 --> 00:15:24,365 it 1 day. I all I know exactly 405 00:15:24,365 --> 00:15:26,531 what I'm doing. Then I started singing and 406 00:15:26,610 --> 00:15:28,519 I said, what happened? You know, I I 407 00:15:28,519 --> 00:15:30,586 knew what I was doing well. There's a 408 00:15:30,586 --> 00:15:33,233 lot of variables we're singing to tell me 409 00:15:33,464 --> 00:15:34,100 the air, 410 00:15:34,658 --> 00:15:36,511 how dry the air or how human 411 00:15:36,887 --> 00:15:37,524 the air is. 412 00:15:38,638 --> 00:15:41,027 Yeah. Rest is a huge part of it. 413 00:15:41,758 --> 00:15:43,909 Yeah. There's just so many so many elements 414 00:15:43,909 --> 00:15:44,626 that go into it. 415 00:15:46,379 --> 00:15:48,211 So how long was Curtis in the band? 416 00:15:48,370 --> 00:15:49,485 He was only in the band for, like, 417 00:15:49,724 --> 00:15:51,647 Curtis So was only better than what a 418 00:15:51,647 --> 00:15:52,123 year to half. 419

00:15:53,708 --> 00:15:54,208 After 420 00:15:54,897 --> 00:15:58,012 I had my operation, they were using, 421 00:15:58,718 --> 00:16:00,390 Keith done. Oh, okay. 422 00:16:01,107 --> 00:16:02,062 And I said, right. 423 00:16:02,779 --> 00:16:04,611 When they said we wanna get Keith, I 424 00:16:04,611 --> 00:16:07,022 said, well, if we're gonna get a singer 425 00:16:07,573 --> 00:16:09,967 we should kind of... And not that Keith 426 00:16:09,967 --> 00:16:11,722 wasn't great at what he did, really. I 427 00:16:11,722 --> 00:16:13,717 just didn't hear him the same way, the 428 00:16:13,717 --> 00:16:15,269 kind of thing that we were 429 00:16:15,647 --> 00:16:18,042 well, at that time. I hit too chicago, 430 00:16:18,201 --> 00:16:18,441 maybe. 431 00:16:20,037 --> 00:16:22,352 Yeah. I... Well, he knew more about what 432 00:16:22,352 --> 00:16:23,365 he was doing than I 433 00:16:23,964 --> 00:16:24,544 I probably 434 00:16:24,923 --> 00:16:27,720 probably should have known Right. Better. But I 435 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:30,437 said, well, let's pretend we... Were starting from 436 00:16:30,437 --> 00:16:32,435 scratch. I... I'm not gonna be the singer 437 00:16:32,435 --> 00:16:32,675 anymore. 438 00:16:33,248 --> 00:16:35,157 So who is there? And I I knew 439 00:16:35,157 --> 00:16:37,622 about Curtis and... Right. And I knew that 440 00:16:37,622 --> 00:16:40,326 he could do anything pretty much. And Yeah. 441 00:16:40,962 --> 00:16:42,750 But you know, he wasn't 442 00:16:43,284 --> 00:16:44,978 over his demons you haven't 443 00:16:45,433 --> 00:16:46,251 I remember 444 00:16:47,661 --> 00:16:48,457 I was there. 445 00:16:49,823 --> 00:16:51,808 Duke left in what year when he left 446 00:16:51,808 --> 00:16:53,475 for Robert Gordon, what year was at? 447 00:16:54,905 --> 00:16:56,652 Who's the late seventies. Right 448 00:16:57,144 --> 00:16:58,898 I I think it was 79 449 00:16:58,898 --> 00:17:00,414 or 70 navy was... Okay. 450 00:17:02,487 --> 00:17:04,720 Came in. Oh, I didn't know that. We 451 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:06,336 were we were playing here 452 00:17:06,808 --> 00:17:09,676 after Duke Left, it was like thanksgiving or 453 00:17:09,676 --> 00:17:10,632 something and Stevie. 454 00:17:11,269 --> 00:17:13,181 We had never been here before. So we 455 00:17:13,181 --> 00:17:14,933 had Stevie open for us I like, wow. 456 00:17:16,460 --> 00:17:17,096 Was with him, 457 00:17:17,890 --> 00:17:20,908 and I remember we paid Stevie 30 dollars 458 00:17:20,908 --> 00:17:22,043 to a 1 course 459 00:17:23,370 --> 00:17:23,767 altogether. 460 00:17:25,609 --> 00:17:26,507 Oh, I bet 461 00:17:27,121 --> 00:17:29,269 that won't help to pay his dues. You 462 00:17:29,269 --> 00:17:32,531 know? Right. Well, yeah. That's that's reality. Yeah. 463 00:17:33,580 --> 00:17:36,366 Right. Yeah. Well, that was very embarrassing when 464 00:17:36,445 --> 00:17:37,480 I say that knowledge. 465 00:17:39,469 --> 00:17:41,777 So did she jump ship with his thing 466 00:17:41,777 --> 00:17:42,906 and go right to you you guys? 467 00:17:43,859 --> 00:17:44,995 She did. Just 468 00:17:45,528 --> 00:17:48,174 at night, she up and left. She joined 469 00:17:48,548 --> 00:17:51,011 and all of Stevie said, well, he said, 470 00:17:51,743 --> 00:17:54,213 Good luck. I had her. No you. 471 00:17:55,886 --> 00:17:57,240 And then she went back to text texas. 472 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:59,087 It's says as you way last that long. 473 00:17:59,326 --> 00:18:01,715 Yeah. She was great and we did all 474 00:18:01,715 --> 00:18:04,422 this stuff that we should recorded with her. 475 00:18:04,661 --> 00:18:06,731 But if she wouldn't stay for 1 extra 476 00:18:06,731 --> 00:18:08,041 day. School michael 477 00:18:08,413 --> 00:18:10,475 good. I... She knows that I'm still mad 478 00:18:10,475 --> 00:18:12,933 at it. Yeah. Yeah. For that. Now did 479 00:18:12,933 --> 00:18:14,519 you work with her after that? You know? 480 00:18:16,121 --> 00:18:18,662 Well, I was with Tum, yeah, and Jim. 481 00:18:18,821 --> 00:18:20,567 Right That's right. That's right. What am I 482 00:18:20,567 --> 00:18:22,711 talking about? Yeah. You were Jimmy for a 483 00:18:22,711 --> 00:18:23,822 long time. Well, 484 00:18:24,473 --> 00:18:26,223 Jimmy. He had me on a lot of 485 00:18:26,223 --> 00:18:26,882 his records 486 00:18:27,417 --> 00:18:27,917 and 487 00:18:28,451 --> 00:18:29,883 he always would call me when he was 488 00:18:29,883 --> 00:18:31,872 making a record, and I'd do 1 song 489 00:18:31,872 --> 00:18:34,510 or 2 tucson. Mh. And it was it 490 00:18:34,510 --> 00:18:35,940 was a good setup. And then, 491 00:18:37,448 --> 00:18:38,425 when he started, 492 00:18:38,957 --> 00:18:39,275 you know, 493 00:18:40,307 --> 00:18:42,864 what the Tilt World van became, which is 494 00:18:42,864 --> 00:18:45,490 more of a straight ahead, you know, getting 495 00:18:45,490 --> 00:18:45,990 obscure 496 00:18:46,763 --> 00:18:48,832 country blue songs and turning them into blue 497 00:18:48,832 --> 00:18:50,026 songs and stuff like that. 498 00:18:51,060 --> 00:18:52,230 I mean, I loved his 499 00:18:52,749 --> 00:18:53,948 original stuff, you know, 500 00:18:54,747 --> 00:18:57,384 the kind of space stuff. III love that. 501 00:18:57,783 --> 00:18:57,943 Right. 502 00:18:58,822 --> 00:18:59,882 But he was just, 503 00:19:00,900 --> 00:19:03,392 doing Well, you know, he this does where 504 00:19:03,392 --> 00:19:05,389 he... Where me takes him. Right. 505 00:19:07,146 --> 00:19:08,445 And he's a great 506 00:19:08,758 --> 00:19:11,459 guitar player. He... He's the really he's the 507 00:19:11,459 --> 00:19:11,697 most... 508 00:19:13,048 --> 00:19:15,352 I hate to say that to the exclusion 509 00:19:15,352 --> 00:19:17,044 of other people he's the 510 00:19:19,192 --> 00:19:20,811 He is the 511 00:19:22,788 --> 00:19:25,985 most original guitar player. I ever heard. I 512 00:19:25,985 --> 00:19:28,799 agree. He's like, Louie Armstrong to

me. I 513 00:19:28,799 --> 00:19:30,879 call him Louie, you know. Yeah. Because he 514 00:19:30,879 --> 00:19:33,440 has a great tone. Yeah. And and he 515 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:36,250 doesn't waste any thing and. Right. He uses 516 00:19:36,250 --> 00:19:37,926 a lot of... Knows was how to not 517 00:19:37,926 --> 00:19:39,283 show his hand every time, 518 00:19:40,081 --> 00:19:42,690 which I really admire. Well, he says his 519 00:19:42,809 --> 00:19:44,640 style and he and he developed that from 520 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:47,347 listening to old guys. Yeah. And it he 521 00:19:47,347 --> 00:19:49,736 turned it into his own things. Right. He's 522 00:19:49,736 --> 00:19:52,460 the most original. I am agree of anyone 523 00:19:52,460 --> 00:19:54,294 that I ever heard. I... And he's the 524 00:19:54,294 --> 00:19:56,924 best rhythm guitar. Boy. Yeah. I mean, not 525 00:19:56,924 --> 00:19:58,439 that he's not. I love him the waist 526 00:19:58,439 --> 00:20:00,686 when he solo with. Yeah. He's got so 527 00:20:00,686 --> 00:20:03,258 much rhythm. Oh, yeah unbelievable. Absolutely. 528 00:20:03,953 --> 00:20:05,866 Yeah. So I did you did you pick 529 00:20:05,866 --> 00:20:07,141 up guitar from him at all? 530 00:20:07,954 --> 00:20:10,590 Did he show you why? No. I... I'm 531 00:20:10,750 --> 00:20:12,747 I... I'm not teachable. I. 532 00:20:14,839 --> 00:20:16,752 It's like, I can't dance. You know, somebody... 533 00:20:16,912 --> 00:20:18,188 My mother used to try to teach me 534 00:20:18,188 --> 00:20:20,022 to dance. I like, no. But what am 535 00:20:20,102 --> 00:20:23,052 I doing here? Around? I... I'll step on 536 00:20:23,052 --> 00:20:24,900 your feet. I can only dance answer the 537 00:20:24,900 --> 00:20:26,812 mic stand or that was once upon a 538 00:20:26,812 --> 00:20:27,848 time. But do that. 539 00:20:29,122 --> 00:20:30,716 Now so when you were when you were 540 00:20:30,796 --> 00:20:32,708 Jimmy you were in there how long 8 541 00:20:32,708 --> 00:20:33,679 years or some time. 542 00:20:35,036 --> 00:20:35,914 I was there. 543 00:20:37,191 --> 00:20:37,669 No. No. 544 00:20:39,026 --> 00:20:40,782 When I joined the pan, we we had 545 00:20:40,782 --> 00:20:42,710 made a record I used to go down 546 00:20:42,710 --> 00:20:45,096 there for the weekend. We'd record and we'd 547 00:20:45,096 --> 00:20:46,846 play at anton, and I go home with 548 00:20:46,846 --> 00:20:49,152 with a lot great. Oh, care much. Nice. 549 00:20:49,391 --> 00:20:50,916 Yeah. And that was a good set up 550 00:20:50,916 --> 00:20:52,344 for me because I had a day job 551 00:20:52,344 --> 00:20:54,328 back here, and I still had my gigs 552 00:20:54,328 --> 00:20:55,121 around here. Right. 553 00:20:56,470 --> 00:20:58,789 And you know, he's you know, he said 554 00:20:58,789 --> 00:20:59,506 that he wanted... 555 00:20:59,983 --> 00:21:01,893 He didn't wanna do it without me. So 556 00:21:02,052 --> 00:21:02,609 I grew. 557 00:21:03,405 --> 00:21:05,076

I said lied. And I'm gonna... I wanted 558 00:21:05,076 --> 00:21:06,907 to do this man. III did it with 559 00:21:06,907 --> 00:21:07,359 him for 560 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:09,480 2010 561 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:10,839 to 2012 562 00:21:10,839 --> 00:21:12,940 and... Okay. And it wasn't, 563 00:21:13,319 --> 00:21:15,240 you know, it's not that it wasn't great. 564 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:16,140 I just 565 00:21:16,694 --> 00:21:18,692 you know, I had this other thing inside 566 00:21:18,692 --> 00:21:20,690 of me that I wasn't doing anymore. Right. 567 00:21:21,170 --> 00:21:23,567 III wanted to... I had to... Do your 568 00:21:23,567 --> 00:21:26,125 solo stuff it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So... Yeah. 569 00:21:26,459 --> 00:21:27,259 I understood, ma'am. 570 00:21:27,978 --> 00:21:29,896 1 more question before I know you gotta 571 00:21:29,896 --> 00:21:30,455 run. Yep. 572 00:21:31,654 --> 00:21:32,873 When you guys 573 00:21:33,252 --> 00:21:35,330 did that record with the tea birds. 574 00:21:36,541 --> 00:21:38,953 I know that stuff didn't get issued 575 00:21:39,489 --> 00:21:42,277 right away someday and all that stuff. Yes. 576 00:21:43,009 --> 00:21:45,004 Yeah. I don't know. III was know what 577 00:21:45,004 --> 00:21:46,201 the story was on that? 578 00:21:47,637 --> 00:21:49,712 Kim wanted to be got it. We the 579 00:21:49,712 --> 00:21:52,195 the the the kind of the running joke 580 00:21:52,195 --> 00:21:53,786 about room and in the ti birds and. 581 00:21:54,104 --> 00:21:56,729 Right. Kim wanted to be that the room 582 00:21:56,729 --> 00:21:56,888 full, 583 00:21:57,619 --> 00:21:58,971 and we wanted it to be the t. 584 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,899 Answers. We ruined each other. Okay. Alright. See 585 00:22:03,899 --> 00:22:06,761 you guys kinda ruined camera. Okay. That's interesting. 586 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:08,846 And it's great stuff. Man. 587 00:22:10,121 --> 00:22:13,625 Yeah. It's saying really great. They never didn't 588 00:22:13,625 --> 00:22:16,268 get issued till fairly recently as I. Call. 589 00:22:16,667 --> 00:22:18,260 I don't even I haven't have yet heard 590 00:22:18,260 --> 00:22:19,694 it. I think it's like, a boot leg 591 00:22:19,694 --> 00:22:21,607 that's out there. Something. It's got roll roll 592 00:22:21,607 --> 00:22:23,678 roll on. Yeah. I think it's got someday 593 00:22:23,678 --> 00:22:25,591 like shape, but I love my... You know, 594 00:22:25,670 --> 00:22:27,914 it's rate song. Yeah. And he did the 595 00:22:27,914 --> 00:22:28,869 hell out of smiley. 596 00:22:29,665 --> 00:22:32,531 He could really sync smiling. Yeah. Better just 597 00:22:32,531 --> 00:22:35,579 about anybody. That Alright. So I'm back here 598 00:22:35,579 --> 00:22:38,380 with Greg Pickle we're rest West Rhode Island. 599 00:22:38,779 --> 00:22:40,460 1 of the biggest venues she'd did with 600 00:22:40,539 --> 00:22:41,819 Client Eye left doing. 601 00:22:42,872 --> 00:22:44,857 We did the crossroads thing, 602 00:22:45,572

--> 00:22:47,082 Chicago. That's... Yeah. 603 00:22:47,797 --> 00:22:49,783 That's pretty big. I was like, 30000. 604 00:22:50,339 --> 00:22:50,736 Wow. 605 00:22:51,625 --> 00:22:53,372 Yeah that was the biggest crowd I ever 606 00:22:53,372 --> 00:22:56,231 played in front of it. Yeah. Once it's 607 00:22:56,231 --> 00:22:58,693 like surreal. I bet it is surreal. Yeah. 608 00:22:59,090 --> 00:23:00,043 I didn't think so. 609 00:23:01,014 --> 00:23:03,571 And, I do this up there. Let's right. 610 00:23:04,450 --> 00:23:05,408 Just close your eyes. 611 00:23:07,246 --> 00:23:09,895 I like little rooms. Yeah. I hear you. 612 00:23:10,134 --> 00:23:11,192 Build rooms. What 613 00:23:11,569 --> 00:23:12,845 I don't know about you, but I've always 614 00:23:12,845 --> 00:23:14,998 kinda felt, like small rooms are really the 615 00:23:14,998 --> 00:23:17,644 key to what blues feels comfortable in. But 616 00:23:17,644 --> 00:23:20,275 it really comes right down to. Yeah. I 617 00:23:20,275 --> 00:23:22,131 guess, yeah. Compared to 618 00:23:22,747 --> 00:23:25,060 guns and roses, it it makes more sense. 619 00:23:25,778 --> 00:23:27,708 More Right. Exactly. 620 00:23:28,266 --> 00:23:30,980 Because you got the intimate connection with with 621 00:23:30,980 --> 00:23:32,895 the crowd. I've always had a hard time 622 00:23:32,895 --> 00:23:34,970 when people are far away, you know, 623 00:23:35,623 --> 00:23:37,771 And there's that big gap between the stage 624 00:23:37,771 --> 00:23:39,920 and the audience. Yeah. I don't like the 625 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,307 stage being too high. Right. I want it 626 00:23:42,307 --> 00:23:45,506 low, you know, bag. And mean, the people 627 00:23:45,506 --> 00:23:47,258 there. I wanna... I like to see the 628 00:23:47,258 --> 00:23:50,285 people. Right. And there's something about the sound 629 00:23:50,285 --> 00:23:51,263 that you'd get 630 00:23:51,639 --> 00:23:53,471 in a small room. It's so different than 631 00:23:53,471 --> 00:23:55,099 big stages. I mean generally, 632 00:23:55,870 --> 00:23:57,697 you know, that's where you're gonna find your 633 00:23:57,697 --> 00:23:58,889 business. Go figure, 634 00:23:59,445 --> 00:24:00,422 yeah, music 635 00:24:01,049 --> 00:24:03,603 in the music business don't really matter. No. 636 00:24:04,162 --> 00:24:06,955 2 totally different animals right think. So the 637 00:24:06,955 --> 00:24:09,051 other thing I wanted to get into is 638 00:24:09,762 --> 00:24:12,146 my favorite album that you did, which is 639 00:24:12,146 --> 00:24:12,544 the 640 00:24:13,100 --> 00:24:16,041 heavy juice cell. Yeah. And that's an album 641 00:24:16,120 --> 00:24:17,630 Might just wore that thing out. 642 00:24:19,236 --> 00:24:21,543 Yeah. It's a great record I... It's... 643 00:24:23,055 --> 00:24:24,328 When That your first soul? 644 00:24:25,203 --> 00:24:25,521 Yes. 645 00:24:26,172 --> 00:24:26,330 Okay. 646 00:24:27,045 --> 00:24:28,076 When I did that, 647 00:24:28,950 --> 00:24:30,854 it was, like, okay. I could've have had 648 00:24:30,854 --> 00:24:32,680 different guests on it. I could've have, you 649 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:32,838 know, 650 00:24:33,809 --> 00:24:35,725 and Ron, he was in the band or... 651 00:24:36,443 --> 00:24:38,221 But when I thought about the music 652 00:24:39,078 --> 00:24:40,675 that I really wanted to do, 653 00:24:41,393 --> 00:24:43,204 I just said who's the... What's 654 00:24:44,118 --> 00:24:46,026 what's the best man to do this stuff 655 00:24:46,185 --> 00:24:46,685 And 656 00:24:47,616 --> 00:24:49,762 in my mind, it was the old original 657 00:24:49,762 --> 00:24:52,249 room guys. Right. And me being 658 00:24:52,638 --> 00:24:54,328 for the first time actually 659 00:24:55,336 --> 00:24:58,670 using them as my band. Right. Right. And 660 00:24:58,670 --> 00:24:59,805 that's why the album 661 00:25:00,274 --> 00:25:02,188 I I believe that's why it came out 662 00:25:02,188 --> 00:25:04,581 the way it did. Because yes. It's focused 663 00:25:04,581 --> 00:25:05,081 on 664 00:25:05,458 --> 00:25:08,648 1 thing and and everybody played their asses 665 00:25:08,648 --> 00:25:09,148 or 666 00:25:10,099 --> 00:25:12,740 it's a phenomenal record, now. And it's all 667 00:25:12,740 --> 00:25:14,500 instrumental. That's the other thing I forgot to 668 00:25:14,500 --> 00:25:16,419 mention is it's is a couple of that 669 00:25:16,500 --> 00:25:18,019 I think that I did hide with it. 670 00:25:18,339 --> 00:25:18,660 I did, 671 00:25:19,794 --> 00:25:21,628 couple of things on them, baby. I'm going. 672 00:25:21,787 --> 00:25:24,259 I think a handle hammond and insisted on 673 00:25:24,259 --> 00:25:26,572 it. And. I didn't wanna do any. That 674 00:25:26,572 --> 00:25:28,007 baby. I got... A baby I'm gone as 675 00:25:28,007 --> 00:25:30,010 a great 1. And I I gotta say 676 00:25:30,010 --> 00:25:31,757 there's... There... You know, it's funny. I mean, 677 00:25:32,153 --> 00:25:34,059 with most people, it's kinda like there's certain 678 00:25:34,059 --> 00:25:36,575 numbers that just totally fits your style. And 679 00:25:36,932 --> 00:25:38,842 Hey. How was Hammond to work because I 680 00:25:38,842 --> 00:25:40,513 talked to Helen all the time. Oh, 681 00:25:41,547 --> 00:25:43,138 Scott, We're talking about it at Black top 682 00:25:43,138 --> 00:25:45,309 records. He he was fantastic. 683 00:25:45,779 --> 00:25:47,772 Pretty much stayed out of the way. 684 00:25:48,331 --> 00:25:50,186 But, you know, everyone was, 685 00:25:50,643 --> 00:25:53,274 you know, conscious of him being there and 686 00:25:53,274 --> 00:25:54,173 mh. And 687 00:25:54,884 --> 00:25:57,539 the van just did it, you know, when 688 00:25:57,597 --> 00:25:59,113 we just knocked it off. Yeah. 689 00:26:00,310 --> 00:26:03,437 It was the 2 2 sessions. But kinda 690 00:26:03,437 --> 00:26:05,134 your owed to all the 691 00:26:05,512 --> 00:26:07,028 original influences this that? 692 00:26:07,666 -->

00:26:11,268 Yeah. It's absolutely young rib. Price suck. Yeah. 693 00:26:11,665 --> 00:26:14,367 III was... When I do those those homage, 694 00:26:15,003 --> 00:26:16,592 you know, my wife next 1 after that, 695 00:26:16,751 --> 00:26:19,135 this sack like it was homage and 696 00:26:19,708 --> 00:26:21,084 That was all instrumental. 697 00:26:21,460 --> 00:26:22,916 Right. And it was the same 698 00:26:23,452 --> 00:26:24,965 continuation of that only and it was with 699 00:26:24,965 --> 00:26:26,160 the core cortez. Right. 700 00:26:26,893 --> 00:26:28,648 Well, it's a killer man. And you shot 701 00:26:28,648 --> 00:26:30,723 a great last night too sick, man, now. 702 00:26:30,962 --> 00:26:32,558 Yeah. It felt good. It's easy to play 703 00:26:32,558 --> 00:26:33,915 with guys who can play. Yeah. 704 00:26:34,566 --> 00:26:36,395 Because I only know 3 notes. Like I 705 00:26:36,395 --> 00:26:38,701 had the same 3 notes to get razor 706 00:26:38,701 --> 00:26:39,519 low 3 707 00:26:40,451 --> 00:26:42,439 and make more than any other Sa plan 708 00:26:42,439 --> 00:26:42,916 per note. 709 00:26:45,001 --> 00:26:45,320 Yeah. 710 00:26:45,878 --> 00:26:47,952 But I... You know, let's talk about a 711 00:26:47,952 --> 00:26:49,946 little bit about some of the, I I 712 00:26:49,946 --> 00:26:52,418 love... Always love hearing worse stories about, like, 713 00:26:52,577 --> 00:26:54,821 room falling down. Like that. And now do 714 00:26:54,821 --> 00:26:56,593 you get port on their port? 715 00:26:57,285 --> 00:26:59,033 We asked them if he wanted to join 716 00:26:59,033 --> 00:27:01,154 and and he did. And It's, 717 00:27:02,385 --> 00:27:03,758 you know, he was always 718 00:27:05,004 --> 00:27:08,099 great. And he he didn't, you know, he 719 00:27:08,099 --> 00:27:10,907 he was just a real player. Yeah. And 720 00:27:10,907 --> 00:27:13,005 he was okay being in a man with 721 00:27:13,065 --> 00:27:15,222 being in a book meal. Book mobile with 722 00:27:15,222 --> 00:27:16,201 a bunch of young 723 00:27:18,824 --> 00:27:20,649 he used to say again. You'll get yours 724 00:27:20,649 --> 00:27:21,308 someday date. 725 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,380 And and he was right. But he he 726 00:27:24,380 --> 00:27:25,888 retired at 65. 727 00:27:26,859 --> 00:27:28,457 He joined the band. I think when he 728 00:27:28,457 --> 00:27:28,957 was 729 00:27:29,656 --> 00:27:30,556 in his fifties, 730 00:27:31,414 --> 00:27:32,314 and and, 731 00:27:33,013 --> 00:27:34,531 you know, he was the old guy in 732 00:27:34,531 --> 00:27:36,265 the band. Right. I think 733 00:27:36,942 --> 00:27:40,768 65 is when you retire. Right. Right. Alright. 734 00:27:41,326 --> 00:27:44,137 So he he he had he left and, 735 00:27:45,247 --> 00:27:47,960 yeah. It wasn't the same after pork left. 736 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,774 And then and then did you hire Ronnie 737 00:27:50,833 --> 00:27:51,732 straight out of 738 00:27:52,602 --> 00:27:53,557 Duke departure? 739 00:27:54,352 --> 00:27:54,671 Yes. 740 00:27:56,023 --> 00:27:58,887 Ronnie Ronnie called me up and told me 741 00:27:58,887 --> 00:28:01,443 that he was interested, and that I was 742 00:28:01,443 --> 00:28:03,665 interested too. Yeah. And I I... That's the... 743 00:28:04,142 --> 00:28:06,444 I never... We never talked about Ronnie yesterday, 744 00:28:06,603 --> 00:28:07,055 and 745 00:28:07,491 --> 00:28:10,189 I did want say that when I compare 746 00:28:10,189 --> 00:28:11,062 the 3 guys, 747 00:28:12,173 --> 00:28:13,229 you, do 748 00:28:14,474 --> 00:28:15,451 ronnie, and 749 00:28:15,997 --> 00:28:16,394 Jimmy. 750 00:28:16,871 --> 00:28:18,642 Mh. Duke was the encyclopedia. 751 00:28:19,174 --> 00:28:22,828 Oh, god. Jimmy was the inventor and and 752 00:28:22,987 --> 00:28:23,963 Ronnie was 753 00:28:24,674 --> 00:28:26,515 played 1 note you knew who he was. 754 00:28:26,914 --> 00:28:28,855 Right. It looks like hell 755 00:28:29,315 --> 00:28:32,055 Hansen got the quality. Yeah. And 756 00:28:32,690 --> 00:28:33,089 you know, 757 00:28:34,450 --> 00:28:35,329 it's all needed. 758 00:28:36,450 --> 00:28:37,890 Like like that. No. Right. 759 00:28:38,929 --> 00:28:40,929 Well, I saw... I mean, I never saw 760 00:28:40,929 --> 00:28:43,016 the bandwidth do. I only saw you guys 761 00:28:43,016 --> 00:28:43,572 would grind. 762 00:28:44,604 --> 00:28:46,033 I think every time I saw you guys. 763 00:28:46,272 --> 00:28:48,280 You know, we never went on the road, 764 00:28:49,051 --> 00:28:51,607 extensively until after duke left. Right. 765 00:28:53,995 --> 00:28:55,746 But I heard well, we're were talking about 766 00:28:55,746 --> 00:28:57,257 the t birds and you guys, 767 00:28:57,815 --> 00:29:00,317 and I heard that those guys were instrumental 768 00:29:00,373 --> 00:29:02,064 kinda getting you guys out on 769 00:29:02,438 --> 00:29:04,344 on the road in terms of playing in 770 00:29:04,344 --> 00:29:06,488 in Texas and places like that. 771 00:29:07,538 --> 00:29:10,109 I went through about California or not, but 772 00:29:10,247 --> 00:29:11,761 I I don't think you guys came out 773 00:29:11,761 --> 00:29:14,470 to California would good did you? No. Yeah. 774 00:29:15,444 --> 00:29:17,382 I went to my mailbox 775 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,618 at the post office in Bradford Rhode Island 776 00:29:22,237 --> 00:29:23,855 1 day and there was a postcard 777 00:29:24,807 --> 00:29:26,799 And it was nothing written on it. Was 778 00:29:26,799 --> 00:29:29,029 this his guy on the front, standing out 779 00:29:29,029 --> 00:29:31,180 in the field with a long beard. It 780 00:29:31,180 --> 00:29:33,515 was was Billy Gibbons. I didn't know I 781 00:29:33,515 --> 00:29:35,674 didn't even know who he was. Right. Right. 782 00:29:36,154 --> 00:29:36,654 And 783 00:29:37,035 --> 00:29:39,048 there was nothing written on the card. So 784 00:29:39,128 --> 00:29:40,722 I I just who the hell is the 785 00:29:40,722 --> 00:29:41,360 this. Yeah. 786

00:29:42,635 --> 00:29:44,229 And he was the guy who brought us 787 00:29:44,229 --> 00:29:46,380 to taxes for the first. Billy Gibbons. Yeah. 788 00:29:46,714 --> 00:29:47,615 We played it 789 00:29:47,994 --> 00:29:49,194 disco in Houston, 790 00:29:50,154 --> 00:29:52,335 that he rented out or something. And 791 00:29:53,994 --> 00:29:55,115 did he get people there? 792 00:29:55,848 --> 00:29:58,709 It it it was ridiculous. He... Basically, we 793 00:29:58,709 --> 00:30:00,457 were there because he wanted to year us. 794 00:30:03,254 --> 00:30:05,571 That's kinda like Mick Ja kinda shit in 795 00:30:05,571 --> 00:30:05,651 it. 796 00:30:06,690 --> 00:30:09,428 I've never experienced Mick. Yeah Been 797 00:30:09,806 --> 00:30:11,658 you know, we got to play with. Count 798 00:30:11,658 --> 00:30:13,570 base on the on the bill lot with 799 00:30:13,570 --> 00:30:16,380 count base. Yeah. Few... Yeah. We played Rose 800 00:30:16,518 --> 00:30:18,999 ballroom room right opening for the how basic. 801 00:30:19,395 --> 00:30:21,322 Ron was on ted with. 802 00:30:21,852 --> 00:30:24,151 Yeah. A gray on t bone and lot. 803 00:30:24,388 --> 00:30:26,627 You know, it it was how that's the 804 00:30:26,627 --> 00:30:28,622 kind of stuff the... Right. And when when 805 00:30:28,622 --> 00:30:30,616 we played with Queen ed vincent and we 806 00:30:30,616 --> 00:30:32,792 got backing him up, and 807 00:30:33,423 --> 00:30:35,971 Jim jimmy witherspoon his phone. Yeah. With big 808 00:30:36,051 --> 00:30:37,564 Joe. You yeah, Big Joe, 809 00:30:38,679 --> 00:30:41,249 but the the real... The 1 that really 810 00:30:42,039 --> 00:30:44,272 we mesh with the vest. We were backing 811 00:30:44,272 --> 00:30:46,347 those guys up and right. You know, it 812 00:30:46,347 --> 00:30:48,660 was the same style of music. Mh. 813 00:30:49,153 --> 00:30:51,622 But Roy Brown was the 1. 0, god. 814 00:30:51,861 --> 00:30:54,648 Yeah. It was like... Yeah. This is the 815 00:30:54,648 --> 00:30:56,161 this is the missing Element. 816 00:30:56,639 --> 00:30:57,356 What we need. 817 00:30:57,849 --> 00:30:59,849 Yeah. And then a few weeks later he 818 00:30:59,849 --> 00:31:00,170 died. 819 00:31:00,650 --> 00:31:01,130 Wow. 820 00:31:01,609 --> 00:31:03,609 Yeah. That's... Yeah. I saw him about a 821 00:31:03,609 --> 00:31:04,570 year before he died. 822 00:31:05,224 --> 00:31:06,984 And I saw him a couple times when 823 00:31:06,984 --> 00:31:08,825 he was so spectacular. 824 00:31:09,305 --> 00:31:11,144 Yeah. And and it was almost like he'd 825 00:31:11,144 --> 00:31:13,970 been, like, you know, in this time capsule. 826 00:31:14,742 --> 00:31:17,684 Yeah. You what? Yeah. And and we were 827 00:31:17,684 --> 00:31:19,354 kind of an in a time capsule too. 828 00:31:19,672 --> 00:31:21,634 You're trying to be in in a time. 829 00:31:23,266 --> 00:31:25,017 And it was a... It really was, like, 830 00:31:25,415 --> 00:31:27,484 we were a band. God, It's a shame 831 00:31:27,484 --> 00:31:28,837 you guys never got to record. 832 00:31:29,887 --> 00:31:31,319 Yeah. That's you know. 833 00:31:32,831 --> 00:31:34,582 There's a lot of shame that happened. 834 00:31:37,143 --> 00:31:38,976 Did you guys play games with stone too? 835 00:31:39,055 --> 00:31:41,684 Did do you mean spell? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. 836 00:31:41,923 --> 00:31:44,871 And and see. We plan at the Blue 837 00:31:44,871 --> 00:31:47,935 note in New York okay with the 838 00:31:48,788 --> 00:31:50,483 Jimmy with a phone and 839 00:31:52,291 --> 00:31:52,871 it was 840 00:31:55,013 --> 00:31:56,922 it might have been Jimmy Mc when I... 841 00:31:57,161 --> 00:31:58,831 There was... There was somebody else on the 842 00:31:58,831 --> 00:32:01,081 bill too really. Right. And it was 843 00:32:01,949 --> 00:32:04,977 it was the day that Benny Goodman had 844 00:32:04,977 --> 00:32:06,252 passed away. Really. 845 00:32:07,845 --> 00:32:09,222 And I remember 846 00:32:09,931 --> 00:32:12,316 you know, getting that stage and, you know, 847 00:32:12,634 --> 00:32:15,099 I I almost said, Benny King instead of 848 00:32:15,099 --> 00:32:16,315 been any good 849 00:32:16,928 --> 00:32:17,428 made 850 00:32:17,738 --> 00:32:20,066 because that the blue was, like, a nasty 851 00:32:20,281 --> 00:32:21,156 and it's so... Yeah. 852 00:32:21,792 --> 00:32:22,928 Absolutely. And 853 00:32:23,620 --> 00:32:25,131 but it was, you know it was great. 854 00:32:25,464 --> 00:32:28,329 Well, the Rose ballroom that's really pretty... Yeah. 855 00:32:28,489 --> 00:32:31,036 That was special to me. That's really special. 856 00:32:31,593 --> 00:32:34,634 We've rubbed shoulders in. We played... We backed 857 00:32:34,634 --> 00:32:35,670 up Helen Hughes. 858 00:32:36,148 --> 00:32:39,198 Wow. You know, And she had Ellis Watkins 859 00:32:39,255 --> 00:32:41,508 with her playing Piano. They're not 860 00:32:41,885 --> 00:32:42,363 flu. 861 00:32:42,761 --> 00:32:43,214 He was 862 00:32:43,810 --> 00:32:45,899 he was amazing piano player and, 863 00:32:47,782 --> 00:32:50,086 you, you know, Joe Turner, we had White 864 00:32:50,165 --> 00:32:52,151 Glen 1 time. You know. Okay. Yeah. I 865 00:32:52,151 --> 00:32:54,234 played with White glove time Yeah. He was 866 00:32:54,234 --> 00:32:56,145 a great guy. You ever play with Lowell? 867 00:32:57,499 --> 00:32:58,534 No. Never did. 868 00:32:59,489 --> 00:33:00,843 Yeah. I get a gig 1 time with 869 00:33:00,922 --> 00:33:01,241 Lowell? 870 00:33:02,685 --> 00:33:05,146 Lloyd glenn and good... Earl good rock and 871 00:33:05,146 --> 00:33:08,082 brown. Mh. Which is pretty incredible. Like something 872 00:33:08,162 --> 00:33:09,608 Malt broke it. String. 873 00:33:10,965 --> 00:33:11,204 Hey. 874 00:33:13,199 --> 00:33:13,699 That. 875 00:33:14,476 --> 00:33:17,521 I broke 4 strings in 1 song. Did. 876 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:19,907 Oh, man I kept on going. That's pretty 877 00:33:19,907 --> 00:33:22,133 good. So you were too strange sam's that

878 00:33:22,133 --> 00:33:22,292 1. 879 00:33:23,961 --> 00:33:25,711 How did the founders come down? 880 00:33:27,717 --> 00:33:28,036 A. 881 00:33:28,754 --> 00:33:30,828 I was because out my spear that whole 882 00:33:30,828 --> 00:33:34,114 thing. Okay. And and just a... What we 883 00:33:34,114 --> 00:33:36,028 should, you know, the time gone by and 884 00:33:36,028 --> 00:33:37,942 we should get together and right do this 885 00:33:37,942 --> 00:33:40,256 thing. And and he was right. But, you 886 00:33:40,256 --> 00:33:42,568 know, everyone was in their own thing at 887 00:33:42,568 --> 00:33:44,419 that point, you know, and it was hard 888 00:33:44,419 --> 00:33:46,576 to... It's hard to get the founders and 889 00:33:46,576 --> 00:33:50,092 then and the founders or... Who... Because everybody's 890 00:33:50,092 --> 00:33:51,710 so busy. Who are the founders 891 00:33:52,024 --> 00:33:52,581 You know, right? 892 00:33:53,456 --> 00:33:54,115 Of the. 893 00:33:54,967 --> 00:33:55,047 Yeah. 894 00:33:55,922 --> 00:33:57,831 A made the name up and or did 895 00:33:57,831 --> 00:33:58,331 in, 896 00:33:59,757 --> 00:34:00,952 were you benjamin, Franklin? 897 00:34:04,141 --> 00:34:05,895 It seems like you guys have had kind 898 00:34:05,895 --> 00:34:06,953 of an inc 899 00:34:08,784 --> 00:34:10,704 relationship off and on for quite a while 900 00:34:10,704 --> 00:34:12,704 in terms of playing on each other's records. 901 00:34:13,905 --> 00:34:14,304 Yes. 902 00:34:14,704 --> 00:34:15,204 And 903 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,519 You. You, dupes or... 904 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,400 Yeah. Sometimes it drives you crawl you thinking 905 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,039 of it. Okay. It's it's like the the 906 00:34:23,039 --> 00:34:24,980 cast of characters in the sense 907 00:34:25,454 --> 00:34:26,328 in this area, 908 00:34:28,631 --> 00:34:30,459 sometimes I say, well, I gotta... 909 00:34:31,015 --> 00:34:33,199 I got wanna get out of it. Right 910 00:34:33,259 --> 00:34:35,177 wait. Right. You know, it's... I mean, I 911 00:34:35,177 --> 00:34:36,935 love... I love those guys and, you know, 912 00:34:37,095 --> 00:34:39,492 Duke because is is the best at what 913 00:34:39,492 --> 00:34:40,632 he does. And 914 00:34:41,251 --> 00:34:41,751 but 915 00:34:42,621 --> 00:34:44,925 I would always... Whenever I play with Duke, 916 00:34:45,481 --> 00:34:48,023 whenever you want duke. That's that's basically how. 917 00:34:48,182 --> 00:34:50,168 Right So it's now I it's still his 918 00:34:50,168 --> 00:34:52,724 being. Yeah. Yeah. Just see this. He's the 919 00:34:52,724 --> 00:34:55,184 guru. He's the he's the guy you're gonna 920 00:34:55,184 --> 00:34:57,644 defer to. Yeah. Yeah. And and then rightly 921 00:34:57,644 --> 00:34:59,390 we saw. Right. Right. 922 00:35:00,834 --> 00:35:02,978 Way. Yeah. Well, god. I mean, you guys 923 00:35:02,978 --> 00:35:04,884 go how many... Go back how many years? 924 00:35:05,916 --> 00:35:07,504 Well, to 1 I

was through to you 925 00:35:07,504 --> 00:35:09,989 it's when I met him. So... Yeah. And 926 00:35:10,539 --> 00:35:12,539 and you're sending me 03:60 927 00:35:12,539 --> 00:35:14,220 years ago. Yeah. Wow. 928 00:35:15,019 --> 00:35:16,140 That's incredible, man. 929 00:35:17,260 --> 00:35:19,434 It's really amazing So what are you got 930 00:35:19,434 --> 00:35:20,954 what are you got going these days? I 931 00:35:20,954 --> 00:35:22,574 mean, are you doing, like, a 932 00:35:23,275 --> 00:35:23,835 still? Or... 933 00:35:25,035 --> 00:35:27,444 Why? I... It was a trio. That's what 934 00:35:27,524 --> 00:35:30,576 I remember trio playing guitar. Yeah. And 935 00:35:32,070 --> 00:35:34,303 my he work player plays great left handed 936 00:35:34,303 --> 00:35:35,260 base. And because. 937 00:35:36,393 --> 00:35:38,311 He's been with me for 25 years. 938 00:35:39,030 --> 00:35:39,590 She itchy. 939 00:35:40,389 --> 00:35:41,209 She she. 940 00:35:41,668 --> 00:35:44,305 Oh. He's from Japan? Yeah. Wow. 941 00:35:45,039 --> 00:35:46,877 But he lives, you know, he's over here. 942 00:35:47,117 --> 00:35:47,676 He Mh. 943 00:35:49,034 --> 00:35:49,534 And 944 00:35:50,152 --> 00:35:52,150 he was fresh out of Berkeley when when 945 00:35:52,230 --> 00:35:54,164 I first time I played with him. 946 00:35:55,444 --> 00:35:56,964 We had a gig in new York City, 947 00:35:57,605 --> 00:35:59,204 and I went up and met 948 00:35:59,844 --> 00:36:01,864 On Friday and the gig was on Saturday 949 00:36:01,924 --> 00:36:03,875 was at Chicago blues and moist 950 00:36:04,331 --> 00:36:06,641 that. Yeah. And I I love playing there. 951 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,632 Yeah. That was the great place. I like 952 00:36:08,632 --> 00:36:11,181 to do. And is my favorite Was sofa. 953 00:36:11,994 --> 00:36:12,472 Yeah. Yeah. 954 00:36:14,148 --> 00:36:16,782 And I I dropped my cds off. I 955 00:36:16,782 --> 00:36:18,298 said these are the songs I do. These 956 00:36:18,298 --> 00:36:20,148 are the keys I do them in. See 957 00:36:20,148 --> 00:36:21,024 it tomorrow night. 958 00:36:22,058 --> 00:36:23,571 And he came. And he nailed it. 959 00:36:24,526 --> 00:36:25,026 Wow. 960 00:36:25,481 --> 00:36:28,289 So I was like, wow. We bad same 961 00:36:28,426 --> 00:36:29,302 and he did. 962 00:36:30,271 --> 00:36:33,555 So, yeah. Who's your drummer? Steve Lang, 963 00:36:34,010 --> 00:36:37,846 yee he's Casting as well. Yeah. And they 964 00:36:37,846 --> 00:36:40,559 both teach it vertically these xi and Steve. 965 00:36:41,117 --> 00:36:41,277 Okay. 966 00:36:42,314 --> 00:36:43,692 Steve is excellent 967 00:36:44,004 --> 00:36:46,310 so, you know, he can do anything. So 968 00:36:46,310 --> 00:36:48,298 what's your radius in terms of the gigs 969 00:36:48,298 --> 00:36:49,014 you guys do? 970 00:36:49,968 --> 00:36:52,036 If the gig makes sense, I'll go anywhere? 971 00:36:52,529 --> 00:36:54,286 You know, that's kinda... But Right. I don't... 972 00:36:54,846 --> 00:36:56,763 I can't book it to or... Right. You 973 00:36:56,763 --> 00:36:57,882 know, it's a this notes. 974 00:36:58,521 --> 00:37:00,293 You know, it was so much easier in 975 00:37:00,293 --> 00:37:02,208 the old veins. And you're, you book a 976 00:37:02,208 --> 00:37:04,522 day. Okay. It's a good gig. I know 977 00:37:04,601 --> 00:37:06,517 I can fill in the space is, you 978 00:37:06,517 --> 00:37:08,846 know, but right. That's going away. And sure. 979 00:37:09,085 --> 00:37:11,320 It sure. I, you know, it hasn't completely 980 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,714 gone away, but it's close to going. Yeah. 981 00:37:13,874 --> 00:37:16,041 But you... Yeah. I'm like persist and it's 982 00:37:16,041 --> 00:37:17,947 all get out. Yeah. I can tell that. 983 00:37:18,185 --> 00:37:18,344 You, 984 00:37:19,376 --> 00:37:22,473 you gotta be... Yeah. You it's... I can't 985 00:37:22,473 --> 00:37:23,108 see it, you know, 986 00:37:23,918 --> 00:37:25,371 God bless you. It's all. 987 00:37:26,857 --> 00:37:28,525 I mean, to be able to work every 988 00:37:28,525 --> 00:37:30,273 night of the week on a tour still 989 00:37:30,273 --> 00:37:31,544 is kind of a phenomenon. 990 00:37:32,911 --> 00:37:34,425 You know, and and I'm able to do 991 00:37:34,425 --> 00:37:37,133 it somehow. I don't know how, but Well, 992 00:37:37,372 --> 00:37:37,531 yeah. 993 00:37:38,726 --> 00:37:40,876 I'm just... Like I say, it's persistence for 994 00:37:40,876 --> 00:37:43,364 me. Who would have thought that a a 995 00:37:43,364 --> 00:37:44,640 little harmonic. Alright? 996 00:37:46,713 --> 00:37:48,947 Could go so far it makes so much 997 00:37:48,947 --> 00:37:49,744 loud noise. 998 00:37:52,234 --> 00:37:54,234 And may Well, we still love it though, 999 00:37:54,474 --> 00:37:54,795 Don't. 1000 00:37:55,594 --> 00:37:57,034 I mean, don't we still love play it, 1001 00:37:57,194 --> 00:37:58,795 and that's why I do it. Yeah. 1002 00:37:59,289 --> 00:38:01,356 From it's. I love to love to play. 1003 00:38:01,594 --> 00:38:02,889 And it's not about 1004 00:38:03,820 --> 00:38:06,602 business for me at this point. It's it's 1005 00:38:06,602 --> 00:38:09,244 about playing for people who wanna hear music. 1006 00:38:09,483 --> 00:38:12,110 III wanna still wanna go places and be 1007 00:38:12,110 --> 00:38:14,897 places where people have never heard it before 1008 00:38:14,977 --> 00:38:17,063 And Right. I I feel like I can 1009 00:38:17,063 --> 00:38:19,773 do it. So... Yeah. But I... I'm not 1010 00:38:19,773 --> 00:38:20,490 driven to... 1011 00:38:21,286 --> 00:38:22,800 You know, I have a manager. 1012 00:38:24,011 --> 00:38:26,162 Right. Bonnie told. Bonnie. Yeah. I know, Bonnie. 1013 00:38:26,401 --> 00:38:27,857 And she came back 1014 00:38:28,233 --> 00:38:30,862 a couple years ago and after... I begged 1015 00:38:30,862 --> 00:38:33,583 her for years, you know? Right. Right. Please 1016 00:38:33,583 --> 00:38:35,726 manage you know, Great. But you've been with

1017 00:38:35,726 --> 00:38:38,028 her off on for years. Right? Yeah. After 1018 00:38:38,108 --> 00:38:39,933 I left room full like, 5 doing, you 1019 00:38:39,933 --> 00:38:41,123 know, and 5 each other. 1020 00:38:41,774 --> 00:38:43,152 Yeah. And she's 1021 00:38:43,530 --> 00:38:45,766 I mean, she's amazing. Yeah. That was great. 1022 00:38:46,005 --> 00:38:48,719 Totally amazing. That's great. Alright. Does she have 1023 00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:50,795 many clients? I know Gabe S was with 1024 00:38:50,795 --> 00:38:51,526 it. Yeah. 1025 00:38:52,399 --> 00:38:53,375 I don't think she 1026 00:38:53,828 --> 00:38:55,757 she nurture him and got 1027 00:38:57,797 --> 00:38:57,956 Yeah. 1028 00:38:59,004 --> 00:39:01,393 Right. And I'm kind of, like, unfinished business. 1029 00:39:01,632 --> 00:39:03,862 She... She doesn't like to fail. So Well, 1030 00:39:04,659 --> 00:39:07,048 you know that's great. That's what you need. 1031 00:39:07,447 --> 00:39:08,759 Yeah. I had. 1032 00:39:09,137 --> 00:39:11,771 Does she manage jen book her or mainly 1033 00:39:11,771 --> 00:39:13,288 just manage or how's does that work? 1034 00:39:14,326 --> 00:39:16,582 Does she manage? She you said she manages 1035 00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:18,894 you? Because she also booked the jobs for 1036 00:39:18,894 --> 00:39:21,375 you or she she does the follow. I 1037 00:39:21,375 --> 00:39:22,014 have an agent. 1038 00:39:23,295 --> 00:39:23,795 It's 1039 00:39:24,175 --> 00:39:26,903 chip Dent. His name is. Okay. So she 1040 00:39:26,903 --> 00:39:27,403 kinda 1041 00:39:27,855 --> 00:39:30,314 keeps she him. He gets the gains, but 1042 00:39:30,314 --> 00:39:31,901 she makes a match. She makes them out. 1043 00:39:32,059 --> 00:39:33,983 And I got you. Yeah. That's what a 1044 00:39:33,983 --> 00:39:35,179 manager really good see. 1045 00:39:37,014 --> 00:39:40,126 And she's relentless. Well, good. You need that. 1046 00:39:40,619 --> 00:39:43,244 I know. You definitely need that. Us. 1047 00:39:43,881 --> 00:39:45,950 And we had a ball last night. I 1048 00:39:45,950 --> 00:39:47,462 was so glad he came down and play 1049 00:39:47,462 --> 00:39:49,651 with us. Yeah. I mean, it was really 1050 00:39:49,789 --> 00:39:50,608 just great 1051 00:39:50,985 --> 00:39:53,139 listening to you and being up there because 1052 00:39:53,139 --> 00:39:53,617 it was, like, 1053 00:39:55,213 --> 00:39:57,286 everyone's just doing the right thing. You know 1054 00:39:57,286 --> 00:39:58,259 it's like, yeah. It's... 1055 00:39:58,977 --> 00:40:02,031 That makes it so easy that Yeah. Yeah 1056 00:40:02,409 --> 00:40:05,043 I remember when Lou ann maker her for 1057 00:40:05,043 --> 00:40:07,932 a solo record that. Right she left room 1058 00:40:07,932 --> 00:40:09,791 for Jerry We was signed 1059 00:40:10,409 --> 00:40:13,685 to in in in muscle shoulders and right 1060 00:40:13,685 --> 00:40:16,879 glenn fry was the producer. The record. I 1061 00:40:16,879 --> 00:40:17,672 didn't do that. 1062 00:40:18,466 --> 00:40:21,719 She she insisted on them calling me up 1063 00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:23,644 to be on the record. Cool do a 1064 00:40:23,644 --> 00:40:25,505 couple of songs. Right? And 1065 00:40:26,204 --> 00:40:27,885 I could tell it wasn't working when I 1066 00:40:27,885 --> 00:40:28,364 got there. 1067 00:40:29,405 --> 00:40:32,613 Blue and Pig. Just be you. I said 1068 00:40:32,693 --> 00:40:34,128 I'm being me win. 1069 00:40:35,085 --> 00:40:38,595 This doesn't swing and at all. Right. Alright? 1070 00:40:39,472 --> 00:40:39,871 It's like, 1071 00:40:40,524 --> 00:40:42,599 and it's... I was over overdo on stuff 1072 00:40:42,599 --> 00:40:44,915 that they had already done. Right. It it 1073 00:40:44,915 --> 00:40:45,574 was like 1074 00:40:47,070 --> 00:40:48,747 say can't... You know, you don't know what 1075 00:40:48,747 --> 00:40:50,359 to do. Right? Right. 1076 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,480 So what happened? I mean, did they... I 1077 00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:54,859 did some, you know, I played 1078 00:40:55,319 --> 00:40:58,299 did the business good? Yeah. Yeah. And 1079 00:40:58,693 --> 00:40:59,748 I got the play 1080 00:41:00,279 --> 00:41:02,342 sat in with junior walker 1 time at 1081 00:41:02,342 --> 00:41:04,880 the Lone star on 50 second street. 1082 00:41:07,039 --> 00:41:07,539 And 1083 00:41:08,717 --> 00:41:11,193 he was it was so great. And he 1084 00:41:11,193 --> 00:41:12,951 was, you know, he sat in with us 1085 00:41:12,951 --> 00:41:14,664 and he was, like, and 1086 00:41:15,045 --> 00:41:18,325 he was playing, you know, school man. How 1087 00:41:18,325 --> 00:41:20,644 cool. And he was saying. I said man. 1088 00:41:20,885 --> 00:41:22,565 That was so great. He said you great. 1089 00:41:22,885 --> 00:41:24,096 Guys. No you agree. 1090 00:41:25,692 --> 00:41:26,728 No. You're greater. 1091 00:41:28,164 --> 00:41:31,115 He he was what he did. He did 1092 00:41:31,115 --> 00:41:32,550 it better than anybody. Yeah. 1093 00:41:33,347 --> 00:41:33,847 Absolutely.