النص الكامل لحلقة Cold Weather Safety For Field Crews

cabling, right? 00:04:21.680 --> 00:04:24.959 I I could wax poetic about cabling until your ears bleed. 00:04:25.040 --> 00:04:25.680 And that's funny. 00:04:26.000 --> 00:04:34.480 I went to a company meeting, gosh, I don't know, two years ago, and somebody has introduced me to somebody new in the company, and they go, here's Chuck, yeah, he's got a podcast. 00:04:34.639 --> 00:04:36.160 And they go, Oh, yeah, what's the podcast about? 00:04:36.240 --> 00:04:37.120 And I go, Cabling? 00:04:37.439 --> 00:04:41.439 And he goes, Yeah, I don't want to talk about I don't want to listen to anything about cabling when I get off work. 00:04:41.600 --> 00:04:42.879 I mean, that's not me. 00:04:43.040 --> 00:04:43.759 That's not me. 00:04:43.920 --> 00:04:46.399 I uh I'll talk about cabling till you die. 00:04:46.480 --> 00:04:50.319 And and I assume you're the you're the same way about safety. 00:04:50.399 --> 00:04:54.560 So before we get too much further along, why don't you go ahead and give us the 50,000-foot view? 00:04:54.720 --> 00:04:57.040 Who's Dan and why should we listen to Dan? 00:04:57.199 --> 00:04:58.959 Oh yeah, I'm hi, I'm Dan. 00:04:59.040 --> 00:05:01.519 Uh I'm my background is fire EMS. 00:05:01.680 --> 00:05:04.240 Uh I did that for 18 years. 00:05:04.480 --> 00:05:08.000 Uh, I still actively have my certifications, just don't actively do it. 00:05:08.079 --> 00:05:12.319 Uh, but I've been in safety now for 10 years in a management as well. 00:05:12.480 --> 00:05:19.199 I oversee over 600 employees and the safety program that we uh have running here in the Mid-South. 00:05:19.360 --> 00:05:25.360 Uh, and my specialty is building programs from the ground up and getting them up to compliance. 00:05:26.480 --> 00:05:29.040 So, what industry are you a safety officer for? 00:05:29.120 --> 00:05:30.560 Is it the low voltage industry? 00:05:30.959 --> 00:05:31.600 Uh somewhat. 00:05:31.839 --> 00:05:34.720 We do all fire protection, so low voltage is part of that. 00:05:34.959 --> 00:05:36.560 Oh, like fire alarms and stuff like that? 00:05:36.720 --> 00:05:36.959 Uh-huh. 00:05:37.120 --> 00:05:37.519 Oh, okay. 00:05:37.600 --> 00:05:39.279 Yeah, that's absolutely low voltage. 00:05:39.519 --> 00:05:41.120 Absolutely low voltage. 00:05:41.360 --> 00:05:50.240 Um, so from an EMT's perspective, since you got like way more years of experience as an EMT than I did, I was only an EMT for about four years. 00:05:51.920 --> 00:05:53.360 Yeah, it's a funny thing though. 00:05:53.519 --> 00:06:00.959 When you take that training to become an EMT, just because you don't carry the certification anywhere doesn't mean you can't impact somebody's life after the certification. 00:06:01.279 --> 00:06:01.519 Right. 00:06:01.759 --> 00:06:02.399 Absolutely. 00:06:02.560 --> 00:06:03.439 Yeah, absolutely. 00:06:03.680 --> 00:06:12.319 If you ever see me at an event, ask me about my my after-certification EMT experience at a burger joint, and I'll I'll tell you why you don't need that. 00:06:12.720 --> 00:06:20.720 So from an EMT's perspective, what should a worker do before leaving home when they know they're gonna be outside in the freezing conditions? 00:06:21.120 --> 00:06:22.319 Yeah, that's a great question. 00:06:22.399 --> 00:06:26.319 So, actually, the first thing you really should be before you even leave is check the weather. 00:06:26.480 --> 00:06:31.839 You don't want to just check the weather before you leave and say, hey, this is what the temperature is currently, right? 00:06:32.000 --> 00:06:34.879 You want to say, what is my temperature going to be on the way home? 00:06:35.199 --> 00:06:48.240 Because I come from the Midwest originally, and you know, it could be 50, 60 degrees in the early morning or so, but by the time I'm coming home, it's below 30 and freezing, and we've got snow and ice on the ground. 00:06:48.399 --> 00:06:59.040 So the very first thing you really should be doing is checking the weather for when you're currently leaving and then what it's going to be when you return home so that you have an idea of what you should prepare for for the day. 00:06:59.279 --> 00:07:05.360 Um, secondly, you should uh when you look at the weather, you should see what I need to pack, right? 00:07:05.680 --> 00:07:08.079 Uh, and it really starts from the beginning. 00:07:08.240 --> 00:07:10.079 Should I be layered, right? 00:07:10.240 --> 00:07:14.319 And a lot of folks say, well, let me just throw on as many clothes as I can. 00:07:14.560 --> 00:07:16.639 And that's not really layering, right? 00:07:16.879 --> 00:07:21.680 You really should have what is called a base layer, a mid-range layer, and then a heavy layer. 00:07:21.759 --> 00:07:32.319 If you're especially if you're gonna work outside, especially, and you from someone that goes in camps a lot in really cold weather and hot weather is I kind of have an idea how this works. 00:07:32.480 --> 00:07:41.920 You want to have a base layer that's moisture wicking, because we know if you get cold and sweat a lot, then you start to have hyperthermia issues, right? 00:07:42.000 --> 00:07:44.800 So you want something that's gonna pull that moisture away from your body. 00:07:44.959 --> 00:07:48.240 Then you want to go to the mid layer that's gonna keep a little warmer and then a thicker layer. 00:07:48.319 --> 00:07:53.759 That way, if for some reason you start to get hot, you can pull layers off and stay cool without overheating. 00:07:53.839 --> 00:07:55.360 So you want to make sure you layer. 00:07:55.600 --> 00:07:56.959 Wool socks are huge. 00:07:57.040 --> 00:08:00.720 You want to have wool socks, protect your feet, keep those dry as well. 00:08:01.120 --> 00:08:03.439 And then that's kind of your clothing for the most part. 00:08:03.600 --> 00:08:05.120 You still want to have a cap if you can. 00:08:05.279 --> 00:08:09.360 Keep everything as much as you can moisture wicking or a wool base. 00:08:09.839 --> 00:08:10.000 Okay.

00:08:10.319 --> 00:08:11.600 That's the trick doesn't breathe. 00:08:11.839 --> 00:08:14.000 That's the trick I learned riding motorcycles. 00:08:14.319 --> 00:08:14.720 Oh, yeah. 00:08:15.120 --> 00:08:22.959 Because you learn to layer, because you know, it might be 32 degrees outside when you get on a motorcycle and you start doing 60, 70 miles an hour. 00:08:23.279 --> 00:08:24.879 It gets really cold. 00:08:24.959 --> 00:08:26.079 Yeah, really cold. 00:08:26.319 --> 00:08:29.839 My first year communications, I rode a motorcycle to and from work every day. 00:08:30.000 --> 00:08:36.320 I lived in Maryland, worked in Virginia, and by the time I got to work, it's fun, my toes were had no feeling. 00:08:36.399 --> 00:08:39.039 And it was finally starting to come back about noon. 00:08:39.279 --> 00:08:44.720 And just, you know, yeah, layering, it's you know, that's a that's a key thing to know. 00:08:44.879 --> 00:08:49.200 Um, you know, we're talking about uh you kind of mentioned about a kit. 00:08:49.519 --> 00:08:55.120 Is there is there a is there a cold weather kit that that maybe somebody should keep in their service van or the workshop? 00:08:55.440 --> 00:08:56.000 Absolutely. 00:08:56.159 --> 00:08:58.799 I would always keep a couple of things on hand for sure. 00:08:58.960 --> 00:09:04.720 You want to keep a a blanket and not just a standard blanket per se that you would have in your home. 00:09:04.879 --> 00:09:10.399 You want to look for something that's heat uh reflective, something that'll bounce the heat back on you. 00:09:10.480 --> 00:09:15.759 So they call them NASA blankets, they just look like aluminum foil, really. 00:09:15.919 --> 00:09:17.679 But uh, you want to keep those in there. 00:09:17.759 --> 00:09:20.639 If you can keep another blanket on top of that, that's great. 00:09:20.799 --> 00:09:25.120 Uh always keep uh water in there uh in case you get stranded. 00:09:25.200 --> 00:09:29.840 If anyone that's from the mid-south or midwest or up north, you know how that is. 00:09:29.919 --> 00:09:39.039 And I'm telling you, there's been times where I've seen it on the news where someone gets stuck on a highway for a day and a half or two because of all the accidents, right? 00:09:39.279 --> 00:09:46.480 So uh you want to make sure you have plenty of water, you want to have snacks in there that are not uh um that can go bad, right? 00:09:46.559 --> 00:09:47.840 Uh granola bars, etc. 00:09:48.080 --> 00:09:48.399 things like that. 00:09:48.559 --> 00:09:49.600 Oreo cookies. 00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:51.519 Yeah, I mean, I'm cool with that. 00:09:51.600 --> 00:09:52.960 Hey, it ain't bad. 00:09:53.120 --> 00:09:59.120 Now, uh my uh my physical fitness coach will say otherwise, I've lost 50 pounds in the last six months. 00:09:59.919 --> 00:10:00.720 Congratulations. 00:10:00.960 --> 00:10:05.840 But uh so you know, yeah, that and then you also want to keep flashlights, extra batteries. 00:10:06.000 --> 00:10:16.320 Uh I would always keep um uh uh traffic cones or those triangles in there so that you can your visible glow sticks are fantastic. 00:10:16.559 --> 00:10:23.679 Um, you know, if you can even have like a portable radio of some sort so you can kind of keep track of what's going on, those types of things. 00:10:24.080 --> 00:10:26.879 Like an AMFM radio or perfect, yeah. 00:10:26.960 --> 00:10:31.679 Yeah, like a like a like a um almost like a C V, right? 00:10:31.759 --> 00:10:35.279 You can't really do a C V most, but you want to have something where you can call out. 00:10:35.519 --> 00:10:43.440 So for instance, I have a system where I go camping that I can push a button and it will alert on the GPS system and tell me exactly where I'm at. 00:10:43.679 --> 00:10:58.159 So um if if you're living somewhere and you're going through a lot of back roads, I would get something like that so that it if you something does happen, you go in a ditch and you can't get out, you can push that button and emergency services can respond to you. 00:10:58.320 --> 00:10:58.480 Nice. 00:10:58.639 --> 00:11:02.159 If you can give them a GPS coordinates, they can find you pretty distinct quickly. 00:11:02.320 --> 00:11:02.720 Oh, yeah. 00:11:04.240 --> 00:11:06.159 I was at Old Town last weekend. 00:11:06.240 --> 00:11:10.639 Um people live in Florida, there's a place over in Kissimmee called Old Town. 00:11:10.879 --> 00:11:18.480 Okay, and Old Town is where they do uh uh it's it's a street that's got shops on both sides, like from the like 60s and stuff. 00:11:18.720 --> 00:11:20.080 They do a car show every night. 00:11:20.159 --> 00:11:23.039 And and that place is always jam-packed. 00:11:23.279 --> 00:11:24.480 Jam-packed. 00:11:24.720 --> 00:11:27.759 And uh, and there's why there's the time, just wait just a second. 00:11:27.840 --> 00:11:31.440 And so what yeah, that is so we're sitting there, we're tired from walking around. 00:11:31.519 --> 00:11:42.240 So, you know, we're sitting down one of the benches in the middle of the street because they know at 8:30 they do the parade where the cars drive by, and we're sitting there, and this lady, this 70, 70-year-old lady, face plants on the sidewalk. 00:11:42.960 --> 00:11:48.480 Ooh, yeah, and you know, I learned as an EMT, people don't fall flat on their face. 00:11:48.720 --> 00:11:51.440 No, if they kiss them, they fall flat on their face, yeah. 00:11:51.519 --> 00:11:53.840 Right, they that you you kind of you got to protect yourself. 00:11:53.919 --> 00:11:57.039 If they fall flat on their face, there's bigger issues going on there, right? 00:11:57.200 --> 00:12:00.240 Yep, yeah, and so three people got there before I did. 00:12:00.320 --> 00:12:01.840 So they're there and they're they they rolled her over. 00:12:01.919 --> 00:12:08.639 I was like, You shouldn't have rolled her over, but but they rolled her over and they got her talking, and then they literally go, call 911, call 911. 00:12:08.720 --> 00:12:09.360 I was

like, okay. 00:12:09.519 --> 00:12:11.120 So I got to call 911. 00:12:11.200 --> 00:12:16.799 So I was interacting with uh with the dispatcher, and the dispatcher says, Okay, where are you? 00:12:17.039 --> 00:12:20.480 I said, Well, we're in Old Town in front of the AW Root beer. 00:12:20.559 --> 00:12:21.840 I don't know the address. 00:12:22.080 --> 00:12:24.080 I said, because you know I'm not from this area. 00:12:24.159 --> 00:12:26.240 I said, but we're in front of the AW Root beer store. 00:12:26.399 --> 00:12:27.120 She goes, okay. 00:12:27.279 --> 00:12:30.799 And of course, there's there's easily three, four hundred people in this place, right? 00:12:30.960 --> 00:12:32.960 So I saw the truck as it was coming in. 00:12:33.519 --> 00:12:39.279 Chuck, my favorite color, favorite color is high viz shirts, whether it's yellow or orange, it doesn't really matter. 00:12:39.440 --> 00:12:41.840 I was wearing a high viz orange shirt that night. 00:12:42.000 --> 00:12:42.799 So it's nice. 00:12:43.039 --> 00:12:43.840 Hey, I'm right here. 00:12:44.000 --> 00:12:44.320 I did. 00:12:44.399 --> 00:12:46.480 I started going, you know, waving my hand in the air. 00:12:46.559 --> 00:12:50.159 And you know, well, anyways, they zoomed right in and came right there. 00:12:50.480 --> 00:12:51.360 Nice, yeah. 00:12:52.080 --> 00:12:52.720 Yeah, absolutely. 00:12:52.960 --> 00:12:55.039 So let me get two things I want to ask you. 00:12:55.279 --> 00:12:56.720 That blanket, right? 00:12:56.799 --> 00:12:57.279 I've seen that. 00:12:57.360 --> 00:12:59.600 I got I got one of a couple of those blankets in my head. 00:12:59.679 --> 00:13:09.679 I've never had to use them, but I've seen them before, and I've always wondered does that really thin piece of plasti that it's not plastic, but the thin piece of whatever the material, does it really keep you warm? 00:13:09.919 --> 00:13:10.960 It does actually. 00:13:11.039 --> 00:13:14.960 I've actually used them when I'm gone camping before, and it can add an additional. 00:13:15.200 --> 00:13:22.879 Um don't quote me on the number, but several degrees of warmth to your body quickly, uh, especially if you wrap it around you. 00:13:23.039 --> 00:13:24.159 So, and they're cheap. 00:13:24.320 --> 00:13:26.399 I think you can get them for a couple of bucks a warmth. 00:13:26.879 --> 00:13:28.960 I think I think I spent 99 cents on mine. 00:13:29.120 --> 00:13:33.919 Yeah, I mean, especially if you go to like an army surplus store or something, you can get a ton of that stuff, you know. 00:13:34.159 --> 00:13:35.600 So I would always recommend. 00:13:35.679 --> 00:13:41.679 And remember, whatever you have in your car, you want to keep the extra in there based on who's in your car with you, right? 00:13:41.759 --> 00:13:44.080 If you have kids, you have family, you never know who's gonna be with you. 00:13:44.240 --> 00:13:46.080 So don't always just think of just yourself. 00:13:46.159 --> 00:13:49.679 Think about who else might be in your vehicle with you throughout the day. 00:13:49.840 --> 00:13:52.799 And I would always, always have a first aid kit too. 00:13:52.960 --> 00:13:54.399 Just basic first aid kit. 00:13:54.720 --> 00:14:00.799 In case you get an accident, you need something to stop the bleed, you need something, you know, a cold compromised something. 00:14:00.960 --> 00:14:01.600 Very simple. 00:14:01.759 --> 00:14:06.000 You can get a small pack for 20 bucks at Walmart or something, and I would always keep that on hand. 00:14:06.080 --> 00:14:06.480 I love that. 00:14:06.559 --> 00:14:08.080 I love that advice about the first aid kits. 00:14:08.240 --> 00:14:09.600 I think everybody should have one. 00:14:09.759 --> 00:14:14.159 Um, I've got three fully stocked first aid kits. 00:14:14.480 --> 00:14:23.840 Um, not because I used to be an EMT, but you know, I found from just rolling up on accents and stuff, there's always a nurse or a doctor who shows up. 00:14:24.080 --> 00:14:28.240 So it's better to have a kit like that with you know with the scalpel and everything else. 00:14:28.399 --> 00:14:30.559 That they can take do whatever they need to do. 00:14:30.799 --> 00:14:33.919 Don't get wrong, at least start with a minimum of a basic safety kit. 00:14:34.080 --> 00:14:35.039 That's minimum, right? 00:14:35.120 --> 00:14:35.759 That's bare minimum. 00:14:35.840 --> 00:14:36.879 But it's like saying code, yeah. 00:14:37.120 --> 00:14:38.240 Right, you just comply with the code. 00:14:38.399 --> 00:14:40.639 Me, I want to go to best practice, you know. 00:14:40.879 --> 00:14:41.840 That's right, that's right. 00:14:41.919 --> 00:14:43.440 Always go out above or beyond. 00:14:43.919 --> 00:14:46.559 If you can afford it, if you can afford it, you know. 00:14:46.639 --> 00:14:52.000 I mean, I think I think our full kits, I want to say we probably spent maybe 49 bucks for it, I think. 00:14:52.080 --> 00:14:53.919 Yeah, for each one, I think, give or take. 00:14:54.000 --> 00:14:55.279 You know, this is about the price range. 00:14:55.440 --> 00:14:57.360 And we got one in you know, each of our vehicles. 00:14:57.440 --> 00:15:00.480 We had one on our boat, but we sold the boat, and one on the motorcycle. 00:15:00.559 --> 00:15:01.840 We just always we always carry one. 00:15:01.919 --> 00:15:05.360 In fact, there's a group that I ride with, and one of the guys is a retired firefighter. 00:15:05.519 --> 00:15:08.879 And uh the first time I rode with them, I thought we got talking. 00:15:08.960 --> 00:15:16.480 I said, Look, if anything happens, you know, if I'm if I go down, I have there's a fully stocked first aid kit in my right saddlebag. 00:15:16.559 --> 00:15:18.559 He goes, I got one too, but it's in my left. 00:15:20.879 --> 00:15:21.600 We're covered. 00:15:21.840 --> 00:15:23.039 That's what happens when you're a fire car. 00:15:23.279 --> 00:15:24.559 You tend to kind of be prepared, right? 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talking about it. 00:15:25.840 --> 00:15:35.759 Well, one other thing I would throw in there too, just it's kind of important, and if it's been become easier in years over the years, is those portable battery jumper cable boxes you can get. 00:15:35.919 --> 00:15:37.440 I mean, they're like this big, right? 00:15:37.759 --> 00:15:40.799 And you hook it on, you hit a button, and it jumps your car typically. 00:15:40.960 --> 00:15:44.000 I always keep those in case you get stranded at a work site or something like that. 00:15:44.080 --> 00:15:45.600 You can at least get yourself home. 00:15:45.840 --> 00:15:46.320 Right. 00:15:46.879 --> 00:15:48.480 You were talking about those kits. 00:15:49.120 --> 00:15:57.519 Is there is there a general rule of thumb on how often you should look inside of them and inspect them and maybe replace the replace the food? 00:15:57.679 --> 00:16:03.360 Or I think I think yeah, I mean just the food and the first aid kit in general, I would always check every month. 00:16:03.519 --> 00:16:06.240 I do the same thing with all my equipment in my offices. 00:16:06.399 --> 00:16:13.279 We check our ADs, our first aid kits, everything like that every month, even though I know they're not expiring right because I've done it enough times. 00:16:13.519 --> 00:16:18.720 I still check it just to make sure something hasn't gone into it, something has gone bad, something like that. 00:16:18.799 --> 00:16:23.200 It's just general and it puts your hands on us and keeps you familiar with where everything's at. 00:16:23.440 --> 00:16:23.679 Right. 00:16:23.919 --> 00:16:31.279 And that allows you to find it faster, quicker, easier when you have to be operating off of your habits, not off of your thought. 00:16:31.919 --> 00:16:32.639 Exactly. 00:16:32.960 --> 00:16:33.440 Exactly. 00:16:33.519 --> 00:16:33.679 Yeah. 00:16:33.919 --> 00:16:39.360 Unless someone changed their driving, because some of the people, like you know, again, I live in Florida now, but I didn't grow here. 00:16:39.519 --> 00:16:39.919 I grew up here. 00:16:40.000 --> 00:16:51.200 I looked, I grew up in Maryland, so I've driven on snowy, icy roads, and uh, but not everybody has some people from Florida and Texas and some other places where they don't get it too often. 00:16:51.360 --> 00:16:55.679 What are some of the what are some good tips in driving in those wintry conditions? 00:16:56.000 --> 00:16:58.960 Yeah, I mean, the big thing is always take extra time. 00:16:59.039 --> 00:17:03.360 But I think the first thing before that, even is if you don't need to go out, don't go out, right? 00:17:03.519 --> 00:17:12.079 Uh, you know, the the problem that we run into, especially here in the mid-south, is when we do get any type of bad weather, we're not really prepared for it because we don't have the equipment. 00:17:12.160 --> 00:17:20.400 But someone like you and I that have lived in the Midwest, or I even lived in Norfolk, Virginia for a period of time, uh, you

know, they get snow and ice. 00:17:20.480 --> 00:17:22.880 And so they have the equipment that's prepared for that, right? 00:17:23.200 --> 00:17:26.720 But the primary thing is don't go out unless you actually have to. 00:17:26.880 --> 00:17:33.759 Uh, and to keep in mind that if for some reason your employer wants to come back and say, well, you have to show up, right? 00:17:34.240 --> 00:17:39.680 Uh I would be very cautious as an employer of mandating someone to show up when there's bad weather, right? 00:17:40.000 --> 00:17:42.720 Uh you know, you could say if you want to come, you can. 00:17:42.799 --> 00:17:44.720 Uh, if you don't feel safe, then stay home. 00:17:44.799 --> 00:17:46.319 That's their best practice, right? 00:17:46.880 --> 00:17:50.079 Uh, but uh always stay home if you can stay home. 00:17:50.160 --> 00:17:50.799 That's the best option. 00:17:50.880 --> 00:17:53.519 Other than that, take your time, don't rush. 00:17:53.839 --> 00:17:59.200 Slow your vehicle down, add more distance between you and the other vehicles in front of you. 00:17:59.359 --> 00:18:09.359 And if you're someone like me that is driven on highways, a highway 465, which is a big loop around Indianapolis, uh, there was times where I kid you not, you couldn't even see what lane you were in, right? 00:18:09.599 --> 00:18:14.079 So you just picked wherever the tire treads were, and that's where you ran, right? 00:18:14.240 --> 00:18:18.559 Uh, and so you everyone kind of knew how to drive like that in Indiana. 00:18:18.720 --> 00:18:20.880 And so slow down, take your time. 00:18:21.119 --> 00:18:25.839 And the big thing is if you hit a patch of ice and you start to slide, don't panic. 00:18:26.000 --> 00:18:26.240 Okay. 00:18:26.720 --> 00:18:30.799 What you want to do is you want to make sure you steer into the slide. 00:18:30.880 --> 00:18:31.119 Okay. 00:18:31.440 --> 00:18:35.839 So if your front end starts to go left, you turn your steering wheel to the left. 00:18:35.920 --> 00:18:41.279 If you start to go to the right, you steer most people uh naturally want to do the opposite, right? 00:18:41.440 --> 00:18:42.480 It's counterintuitive. 00:18:42.960 --> 00:18:43.200 Right. 00:18:43.279 --> 00:18:46.240 But you're actually you're gonna make things worse, right? 00:18:46.480 --> 00:18:51.519 Let off the gas, turn into the slide, and whatever happens, happens, right? 00:18:51.680 --> 00:18:53.279 Don't don't try to fight it. 00:18:53.519 --> 00:18:57.359 Uh and you know, nice things with all of our vehicles, we have analog brakes in them. 00:18:57.440 --> 00:19:03.759 If you're if you're my age or older, you you've driven a car that doesn't have analog brakes in it, pump the brakes, right? 00:19:03.839 --> 00:19:04.640 Uh if you can. 00:19:04.799 --> 00:19:07.279 But most of us have analog brakes these days. 00:19:07.440 --> 00:19:10.960 Um, but those are the big things when it comes to driving in the weather. 00:19:11.200 --> 00:19:18.079 Slow down further distance and steer into the slide whenever you feel the slide coming on. 00:19:18.319 --> 00:19:21.359 I want you to, I want you to be a myth buster for a second. 00:19:22.240 --> 00:19:26.480 So if I have four-wheel drive, can I still drive just as fast in that snowy radically? 00:19:27.119 --> 00:19:27.920 Absolutely not. 00:19:28.079 --> 00:19:37.920 So let me tell you, that is one of my biggest pet peeves is anytime I see, and we all know this guy, I guess I said she's I should say girl too, because I don't want to assume. 00:19:38.160 --> 00:19:38.559 Right, right, right. 00:19:38.799 --> 00:19:44.160 You know this person that's driving the big old Piglift truck, right? 00:19:44.319 --> 00:19:45.359 That's flying down the road. 00:19:45.440 --> 00:19:47.359 Let me give you a real quick story, and it makes me laugh. 00:19:47.440 --> 00:19:49.279 I mean, he was okay, but it makes me laugh. 00:19:49.440 --> 00:19:51.440 Last year we had a really bad snowstorm. 00:19:51.519 --> 00:19:55.759 I was driving to my work and I saw this truck just go flying by me. 00:19:55.839 --> 00:19:57.680 And I'm taking my time doing my thing. 00:19:57.839 --> 00:20:01.039 And I'm like, man, you're gonna slide off one of these roads, right? 00:20:01.200 --> 00:20:04.000 Not a mile down the road do I see him in the ditch. 00:20:04.160 --> 00:20:15.440 And I'm just like, just because you have four-wheel drive only works good on terrain that still has traction, gravel, even snow still technically has traction. 00:20:15.599 --> 00:20:23.759 But if you start to hit ice, it doesn't matter what kind of vehicle you have, unless it's on skates, you're gonna go sliding, right? 00:20:24.000 --> 00:20:29.920 Yeah, uh, and so never assume just because you have four-wheel drive, it just doesn't work on the ice. 00:20:30.160 --> 00:20:31.119 Nothing does. 00:20:31.359 --> 00:20:31.680 Right. 00:20:31.759 --> 00:20:38.000 I I need to get a kick out of that because who hasn't had that experience living in an area where there's snow and ice? 00:20:38.079 --> 00:20:41.359 Like again, I grew up in DC, so I used to drive around the beltway a lot. 00:20:41.519 --> 00:20:48.960 And of course, yeah, you could have two, three inches of snow, four inches of snow, whatever, and you'd be driving 25, and there'd be that guy in the fast lane that lift the truck. 00:20:50.640 --> 00:20:52.720 Yep, like whatever. 00:20:53.200 --> 00:20:55.839 Plus, even the semi-drivers, the semi-drivers do it. 00:20:55.920 --> 00:21:00.880 It's like we didn't make it worse because they've got they've got 30,000 pounds that doesn't stop right now. 00:21:01.680 --> 00:21:06.160 And and it's just it takes just one mistake for that thing to become a missile. 00:21:06.400 --> 00:21:09.759 So uh, you know, I'm I'm not a fan of semi-drive. 00:21:10.000 --> 00:21:15.039 Anytime I see a semi that's bad weather out there, I avoid them at all possible cost. 00:21:15.440 --> 00:21:18.480 Yep, they don't stop on a

dime even when conditions are perfect. 00:21:18.720 --> 00:21:19.920 No, no. 00:21:20.559 --> 00:21:27.759 So let me ask you this question: what vehicle checks should somebody do before they know they're gonna be heading out into winter conditions? 00:21:28.079 --> 00:21:29.839 Yeah, that's a great, great question. 00:21:30.000 --> 00:21:33.279 Make sure your tires are in great shape first and foremost. 00:21:33.440 --> 00:21:40.640 Uh, you know, if you're in a position where you can swap from your summer tires to your to your winter tires, by all means do that first. 00:21:40.799 --> 00:21:43.359 Now, that's not really feasible for a lot of us, right? 00:21:43.440 --> 00:21:50.960 I'm not a guy that has winter tires, mainly because I live in the mid south and our snow season lasts about two or three weeks, right? 00:21:51.039 --> 00:21:56.400 But if you live somewhere where you get a lot of it, I would highly suggest you invest in some good quality snow tires. 00:21:56.480 --> 00:21:58.240 You can also put chains on your tires. 00:21:58.319 --> 00:21:59.759 Now check with your state and local floor. 00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:04.480 Laws because some states and local laws won't allow those because they tear up roads and things like that. 00:22:04.559 --> 00:22:05.920 So keep that in mind. 00:22:06.160 --> 00:22:16.799 Um, the other thing is you want to make sure you always have a full tank of gas before you go anywhere, just in case you do get stuck on the highway, you're not running out of gas, you still have heat running, things like that. 00:22:17.359 --> 00:22:22.079 Always check your oil, all your fluids, anything that goes along with that that keeps your car running. 00:22:22.240 --> 00:22:31.680 And I highly suggest if you live in an area where you get a lot of bad weather and there's a high potential for a getting stuck in traffic or an abatement or something like that. 00:22:31.839 --> 00:22:42.319 I would highly suggest you take your vehicle to a local shop that that can do a thorough check on your vehicle, brakes, tires, belts, all the above, just as a quick lookover. 00:22:42.400 --> 00:22:47.440 No different than when you have your AC or furnace serviced when that season's coming along. 00:22:47.599 --> 00:22:56.480 Um, because you never want to be in a position where your vehicle breaks down on you and you're in the middle of nowhere, you have no self-service, you have no equipment, and you have no idea what to do. 00:22:56.720 --> 00:23:00.480 Let me ask you this question because I've always I've so we have a four-wheel drive truck. 00:23:00.720 --> 00:23:03.519 I'm not the idiot who drives down the fast lane, by the way, just so you know. 00:23:03.839 --> 00:23:08.799 But I live in the country and I have a farm, and sometimes it's it gets stuck on the farm. 00:23:09.039 --> 00:23:10.400 So that's why I have a four-wheel drive truck. 00:23:10.480 --> 00:23:13.920 It's not even lifted, it's got it's got standard highway tires on it. 00:23:14.160 --> 00:23:16.640 And uh, we like you, we go camping too. 00:23:17.119 --> 00:23:25.519 And uh there have been some scenarios camping where I'm like, if it gets really sloppy wet, I don't know if my truck could get out of there. 00:23:25.599 --> 00:23:32.640 So there's these uh there's these things I saw on I want to say Timu, but I know it's not Timu, but it it looks like a tie wrap, right? 00:23:32.880 --> 00:23:40.079 But it goes around the tire and it's got these little knobs on them, and you can you can put like they say put three or four on them, kind of changes your tire to have more traction. 00:23:40.240 --> 00:23:44.000 Do you have any thoughts or and or or experience with those? 00:23:44.319 --> 00:23:45.200 I don't actually. 00:23:45.279 --> 00:23:46.559 I've never had to use any of those. 00:23:46.640 --> 00:23:50.400 I've always carried extra straps, so if someone comes along, they could pull me out. 00:23:50.480 --> 00:23:52.240 Uh if I've ever been in that position. 00:23:52.319 --> 00:24:01.359 But I typically suggest others, if you're gonna need something quick and hurry to cheat, get kitty litter or a small bag of like pea gravel or something like that. 00:24:01.519 --> 00:24:01.839 Oh, yeah. 00:24:02.079 --> 00:24:05.519 So that if you do get stuck, you can kind of throw that down and give a little bit of traction. 00:24:05.599 --> 00:24:10.319 It really doesn't take that much for your tire to get some traction and get going again. 00:24:10.480 --> 00:24:21.519 So I I don't want to speak on something I've never used before, but I know that if you um carry, like I said, kitty litter, a little bag a bag of gravel or something like that, it really doesn't take much. 00:24:21.759 --> 00:24:40.400 Yeah, my my dad, he always had pickup trucks, and I probably should well, I'm not gonna do this because I'm in Florida now, but um go growing up in Maryland, whenever the winter would come around, he'd go to the local uh landscape place and he'd have them put a ton of small pea gravel in the back of his truck so that way he'd wait in the bed so he had better traction. 00:24:40.559 --> 00:24:44.319 If he got stuck, you got you got a ton of it in the back of your truck. 00:24:44.480 --> 00:24:46.799 I mean, literally ton of it in the back of your truck. 00:24:46.880 --> 00:24:47.119 Yep. 00:24:47.519 --> 00:24:49.519 Well, and that's something that that's a good point. 00:24:49.599 --> 00:24:56.720 You know, a lot of these folks that do drive these vehicles, or even let's say some of the older vehicles, 80s and 70s vehicles, because I'm I'm a muscle guy, I love muscle cars. 00:24:56.880 --> 00:24:59.200 You need to see the small town, you'll love it. 00:24:59.359 --> 00:25:00.319 Oh, let me tell you what. 00:25:00.480 --> 00:25:04.400 If I could get a 69 GTO, I would be in heaven. 00:25:04.480 --> 00:25:05.759 But that's probably never gonna happen. 00:25:06.079 --> 00:25:12.480 Here's where I find out exactly how deep of a

lover of classic muscle cars you are. 00:25:12.960 --> 00:25:15.039 What does GTO stand for? 00:25:16.240 --> 00:25:18.319 Oh, you would put me on the spot. 00:25:18.559 --> 00:25:25.039 I know they call it the GOAT, but I know it's it's I don't know the official like oh, you would ask me that. 00:25:25.119 --> 00:25:31.759 I do know that the the the creator of GTO came from a different manufacturer and created the GTO. 00:25:32.000 --> 00:25:33.039 You know what else he created? 00:25:33.359 --> 00:25:34.319 You know what else he created? 00:25:34.960 --> 00:25:38.160 Was he the must the people yes? 00:25:38.400 --> 00:25:44.000 GTO, a lot of people think it stands for gas tires and oil things that the car burns, but that's not what it stands for. 00:25:44.160 --> 00:25:51.599 It stands for Grand Turismo Osmologate, which was actually a a famous, I think, Italian racing car or something. 00:25:52.240 --> 00:25:54.079 And yeah, that sounds about right. 00:25:54.240 --> 00:26:01.119 When I was at Old Town last weekend, there was a 67 powder blue baby goat there. 00:26:01.359 --> 00:26:01.839 Oof. 00:26:02.319 --> 00:26:06.160 Yes, I'm telling you in Florida, you need to make sure you hit Old Town. 00:26:06.400 --> 00:26:12.160 Yeah, I and I honestly I'm I'm my biggest fan of all muscle cars is 69 to 73. 00:26:12.240 --> 00:26:13.920 That's my range that I love the most. 00:26:14.160 --> 00:26:14.480 Yes. 00:26:14.640 --> 00:26:21.279 Uh but I would take before that, especially the GM products, they were small and square and boxy. 00:26:21.519 --> 00:26:21.759 Right? 00:26:21.920 --> 00:26:22.160 Yep. 00:26:22.400 --> 00:26:28.240 And then after after I think I think yeah, 73, I I wouldn't go to 73. 00:26:28.319 --> 00:26:32.720 I'd thought the I would only go to 72 because like you, I love Chevelles. 00:26:32.960 --> 00:26:34.559 You know, I'm a Chevelle guy. 00:26:34.799 --> 00:26:38.000 And 72 was the last body style of that type of Chevelle. 00:26:38.160 --> 00:26:41.920 Then they went to the the the Laguna style, the really long nose. 00:26:42.720 --> 00:26:44.240 Yeah, you know, just yeah. 00:26:44.799 --> 00:26:48.160 Well, I'd even take I'd even take an El Camino, a 72 El Camino. 00:26:48.240 --> 00:26:51.119 It's the same thing as a Chevelle, just as a pickup truck in the back of it. 00:26:51.200 --> 00:27:00.480 So but the reality of this, most people don't realize when you have older cars like that or pickup trucks, it's normally you know front-wheel drive, and so you don't have any traction in the back, right? 00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:00.720 Right. 00:27:00.880 --> 00:27:03.759 And so you've got to weight that down so that you have some weight back there. 00:27:04.000 --> 00:27:06.160 Otherwise, you're gonna fishtail everywhere. 00:27:06.400 --> 00:27:10.480 Sports cars, my dad has a Porsche, an 84 Porsche. 00:27:10.640 --> 00:27:15.119 He knew back then when he drove that in the weather, he had to slow down because it would fishtail off.

00:27:15.519 --> 00:27:15.759 Right. 00:27:15.920 --> 00:27:22.160 Let me ask you this because it's common practice for off-roaders, and I know you know this because my dad used to go off-roading his truck all the time. 00:27:22.319 --> 00:27:27.599 When they get in with sandy conditions, they would lower the air pressure in their tires to get additional traction. 00:27:27.759 --> 00:27:30.720 Is that a good practice for snowy conditions? 00:27:31.119 --> 00:27:32.240 Ooh, that's a good question. 00:27:32.319 --> 00:27:36.559 I mean, the main reason why people do that is because it opens up the surface level, right? 00:27:36.640 --> 00:27:40.960 The tire gets a little flatter and it gives you more surface to build a grip on. 00:27:41.119 --> 00:27:41.839 That's a good question. 00:27:41.920 --> 00:27:43.839 I don't know the answer to that, to be honest with you. 00:27:44.000 --> 00:27:46.799 I mean, in theory, that makes sense, right? 00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:50.400 But then the question is, what does the manufacturer say, right? 00:27:50.559 --> 00:27:56.799 Because if you do that, then does it then deplete some of the other functions of the tire, right? 00:27:57.039 --> 00:28:01.920 So I would say check with the manufacturer of your tire to see what they say. 00:28:02.079 --> 00:28:04.880 Uh and but in theory, that would make sense. 00:28:05.440 --> 00:28:07.039 I stomped the safety guy. 00:28:07.279 --> 00:28:09.039 I stopped the safety guy. 00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:12.079 Hey, it doesn't take much. 00:28:12.160 --> 00:28:12.960 It doesn't take much. 00:28:13.119 --> 00:28:19.200 No, no, no, I get it, I get it, and you handle it right because if you don't know, the best thing to say is I I I don't know, but you're right. 00:28:19.279 --> 00:28:20.160 I think you handle it right. 00:28:20.240 --> 00:28:29.440 Because if if you really want to know the true answer to that, talk to Goodyear, talk to BF Rich, people who you know, engineers that do that kind of stuff. 00:28:29.680 --> 00:28:31.119 Um but yeah, yeah, good. 00:28:31.200 --> 00:28:36.640 Let's switch our conversation to PPE, another acronym, personal protective equipment. 00:28:37.039 --> 00:28:40.400 And you were just talking about dressing in in layers, right? 00:28:40.880 --> 00:28:41.279 Yep. 00:28:41.519 --> 00:28:52.720 Um what about somebody who who goes inside and outside all day long where they might be outside while they're pulling cable between buildings, but then go inside to maybe terminate tests. 00:28:52.880 --> 00:28:56.240 How how would how would layering look to that person? 00:28:56.640 --> 00:29:00.160 Yeah, I mean, it's a perfect example because I actually have those guys that do that, right? 00:29:00.319 --> 00:29:04.640 So the the way I'm viewing it with my folks is I hit my first full winner with these guys. 00:29:04.720 --> 00:29:08.400 Now, again, I'm in the mid-south, so I don't have to worry about it, but other versions, right? 00:29:08.640 --> 00:29:17.200 I would highly recommend that you start with a base layer, this that um it's that synthetic material, right? 00:29:17.279 --> 00:29:22.640 That the slick material that you can get that you would use, like the Arn Armor products, things like that, right? 00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:27.920 You can get a pair of long pants on that and a long sleeve shirt or even a short sleeve version of that. 00:29:28.079 --> 00:29:33.359 And then I would just put like a hoodie over it, and then you could have regular long pants on. 00:29:33.440 --> 00:29:38.319 I wear, you know, chinos or something like that, whatever work pants that you guys are comfortable in. 00:29:38.480 --> 00:29:41.200 And then on top of that, you could just have a jacket, right? 00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:43.440 A heavy-duty insulated jacket. 00:29:43.599 --> 00:29:47.440 And I'm a huge proponent for down jackets, that's just my preference. 00:29:47.680 --> 00:29:53.359 Uh, but you know, as you're doing that, you know, obviously you're gonna build up body heat and working right. 00:29:53.519 --> 00:29:57.519 Um, but that way you can strip down and you're still covered, right? 00:29:57.759 --> 00:30:01.440 Uh, you're not you're not exposed into like undershirts and things like that. 00:30:01.599 --> 00:30:02.960 You still look professional. 00:30:03.200 --> 00:30:10.400 So if you have a base layer on and then like a professional shirt on and then a jacket, and you can even get long-sleeve versions of those, right? 00:30:10.480 --> 00:30:12.640 So it protects your arms a little more. 00:30:12.880 --> 00:30:17.920 Uh, and a lot of the guys, let's be honest, they're gonna go from inside to outside without putting more layers on, right? 00:30:18.000 --> 00:30:19.039 They're gonna say, I'll be fine. 00:30:19.359 --> 00:30:26.720 But something I would keep in mind if you're gonna do that, depending on the weather, the colder it is, the less time I would spend outside, right? 00:30:26.799 --> 00:30:31.200 I've seen guys in your position for profession that can pull a wire in 10 minutes, right? 00:30:31.359 --> 00:30:35.440 And then some of the guys, it's gonna take an hour because they're having issues, right? 00:30:35.519 --> 00:30:38.160 There's a lot of it, it ran into a problem, whatever it may be. 00:30:38.319 --> 00:30:44.799 So just keep in mind the time frame that you're spending outside uh and realize, hey, I've been out here for more than 10 minutes. 00:30:44.880 --> 00:30:47.200 I might need to go back inside and warm back up again. 00:30:47.519 --> 00:30:53.119 It takes longer to pull cable when it's super cold or super hot, right? 00:30:53.279 --> 00:31:03.039 When it's super cold, the cable gets you know stiff and you gotta worry about slipping and falling, and and then also, you know, you know, you're you're talking about you know dressing in layers. 00:31:03.119 --> 00:31:14.079 I've seen more than one time people be working outside, dressed in layers, and because they're working outside, all

you know, the the cardio's getting all you know pumped up and stuff, they start taking off stuff because they're out because it's starting to heat up. 00:31:14.160 --> 00:31:16.160 And I don't think that's the best thing to do. 00:31:16.240 --> 00:31:18.640 But then also on the flip side, same thing with heat. 00:31:18.799 --> 00:31:39.200 I did a I did a project where we ran some cables in the steam tunnels in uh in DC, and we actually had to employ they can only be down there for like 15 minutes, they'd come up, they'd wear ice vests, and I mean all the kinds of stuff is going on that just you know, you you can't work well when you're overheated or if you're too cold, you just it's gonna be back to work. 00:31:39.599 --> 00:31:46.400 And from a PPE perspective, too, you know, there's a lot of great products that have come out now that can protect you from environment stuff. 00:31:46.480 --> 00:32:04.559 And one day we could talk about all kinds of heat prevention stuff, but from a cold prevention perspective, they actually make now cut-resistant gloves that are cold, like actual like gloves you'd wear during the winter as a citizen or as a as a civilian, right? 00:32:04.720 --> 00:32:07.039 But they have a cut resistance to them. 00:32:07.279 --> 00:32:18.319 Uh, and so don't think just because you're working outside you have to wear something to keep warm doesn't mean there's not a PPE standard out there that would protect you and keep you warm at the same time. 00:32:18.640 --> 00:32:23.279 Yeah, there's been a lot of advancements in uh in uh clothing and PPE. 00:32:23.440 --> 00:32:34.720 I mean, you know, Milwaukee has that that coat that uh you don't use a it's not the you don't use an M12 battery, but you use a Milwaukee battery and it keeps you warm throughout the day and stuff like that. 00:32:34.960 --> 00:32:35.200 Yep. 00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:37.440 Yeah, the the skits come a little come a long way. 00:32:37.839 --> 00:32:45.279 Since we talked about, you know, we're because this show is gonna air when it's cold outside for a lot of the people, um, we're talking about hypothermia and cold. 00:32:45.599 --> 00:32:49.279 Um what exactly is hypothermia? 00:32:49.759 --> 00:33:00.240 And yeah, when when temperatures aren't can you get hypothermia when it when the temperatures are just let's say 33 degrees instead of three degrees? 00:33:01.200 --> 00:33:06.960 Yeah, actually, so someone like you that's a Florida Indian that is probably used to Florida weather now, right? 00:33:07.119 --> 00:33:12.240 Uh a 70-degree day, right, is gonna feel like a 30-degree day for the rest of us. 00:33:12.400 --> 00:33:23.920 I mean, for example, when I moved from Indiana to Memphis, uh, you know, when they have their cold days here that are 60 degrees, and I'm out there in a tank top and a sh and shorts, and they're like, Aren't you freezing? 00:33:24.319 --> 00:33:26.079 We all adapt differently, right? 00:33:26.240 --> 00:33:30.640 And what I consider

cold, someone from Boston or New York is gonna be like, that's not cold, right? 00:33:32.480 --> 00:33:33.359 Right, exactly. 00:33:33.599 --> 00:33:37.359 So the reality is you gotta understand kind of your circumstances, right? 00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:42.000 Has your body adapted to that temperature, that climate for a period of time, right? 00:33:42.400 --> 00:33:48.240 Uh, and if if not, then what might affect you doesn't affect the next person. 00:33:48.400 --> 00:33:50.160 So you have to really keep an eye on your body. 00:33:50.319 --> 00:33:59.920 What hypothermia is, is basically the internal temperature of your body is starting to lower to the points where it could be potentially dangerous, right? 00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:07.039 And where your body starts to shut down, all the blood starts to flow to your organs and your brain to keep you alive, right? 00:34:07.200 --> 00:34:23.519 And that's probably where frostbite and some other things come into play, uh, where it it shunts away from your your limbs, so your legs and your hands and arms, because it's trying to keep all your survival needs or hence the hence the reason my toes were freezing when I rode my motorcycle. 00:34:25.039 --> 00:34:25.360 Right. 00:34:25.599 --> 00:34:31.039 And so it, you know, if you're to the point where you start to feel frostbite potential, right? 00:34:31.119 --> 00:34:39.599 Or you have frostbite, you're pretty much already into hypothermia risk or into hypothermia at that point, and you got to take action quickly. 00:34:39.760 --> 00:34:45.280 Um, so when you start to shiver, that's when your body's saying, Hey, we're cold. 00:34:45.519 --> 00:34:46.800 Uh, you need to do something here. 00:34:46.880 --> 00:34:47.679 That's our warning sign. 00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:49.840 It's no different than in the heat when you're sweating, right? 00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:52.239 Hey, we're sweating, we're hot, we're warning you. 00:34:52.400 --> 00:34:56.400 When you start to shiver, your body's saying, hello, hello, hello, yellow light, yellow light. 00:34:56.559 --> 00:34:58.000 It's time to get us warm again. 00:34:58.960 --> 00:35:01.039 So you shivering is one of the symptoms. 00:35:01.119 --> 00:35:07.360 What are some other symptoms that somebody when they experience they must they got to think, oh, I'm starting the beginning stages of hypothermia? 00:35:07.519 --> 00:35:14.159 Yeah, I mean, it's it's the start, and it also becomes a late stage as well as your cognitive skills start to slow down. 00:35:14.400 --> 00:35:18.639 Uh, you don't process things as well. 00:35:18.880 --> 00:35:27.920 Uh, you can't move as quick, you can't things that you and I would be able to talk to you about all day, like if someone asks me a safety question, I'd be like, uh right. 00:35:28.239 --> 00:35:33.119 Uh, or or something on your lines from a low voltage perspective, those types of things. 00:35:33.360 --> 00:35:38.400 In some cases, it can be it can mimic if you're having a stroke or having a diabetic issue. 00:35:38.480 --> 00:35:41.199 Those are all kind of similar cognitive issues, right? 00:35:41.519 --> 00:35:56.400 So if you notice or you see someone else that's starting to struggle, which is day-to-day functions, stuff that they do on a daily basis in their cold weather, that's probably a good early sign or even a late stage sign that hey, we need to get them back somewhere where it's warmer. 00:35:56.719 --> 00:35:59.519 Yeah, those are the same signs you could watch. 00:35:59.840 --> 00:36:02.800 Because you know, we always tend to work in crews, right? 00:36:03.039 --> 00:36:11.039 So you you obviously nailed them on the head for you know what you sell, but you can also use watch your other crews, you know, your other crew members for the same signs. 00:36:11.119 --> 00:36:13.039 And and because here's what here's what happens. 00:36:13.360 --> 00:36:14.400 And this is a man thing. 00:36:15.039 --> 00:36:20.960 You know, we uh we don't want to admit that we uh that we can't we just can't do something, we're too weak. 00:36:21.039 --> 00:36:23.760 And I just a little called I'm gonna muscle my way through this. 00:36:24.320 --> 00:36:26.000 That's the worst thing in the world you can do. 00:36:26.079 --> 00:36:31.599 And so if you if you see a crew member doing something like that, that's a good question for you. 00:36:31.760 --> 00:36:32.960 That's not one of our pre-arranged questions. 00:36:33.039 --> 00:36:35.199 Maybe see if we can answer if you have thoughts on this. 00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:42.400 So let's say you're you're you notice somebody on the crew, they're shivering, and you know, they they they can't seem to remember the color code and and stuff like that. 00:36:42.480 --> 00:36:44.719 And you're like, oh no, it's a beginning stage of hypothermia. 00:36:44.880 --> 00:36:52.639 And you know this person's a real butt head or you know, real blockhead, and they're gonna be resistant to anything you say to try to help build them. 00:36:52.719 --> 00:36:55.599 What are some ways that you can do to get that guy to realize we're gal? 00:36:55.840 --> 00:36:56.159 We're gal. 00:36:56.719 --> 00:37:06.000 Yeah, I mean, I run into that all the time, and I mean, not here, luckily with my current job, but my previous work, you ran it all the time, and I approach it in stages. 00:37:06.159 --> 00:37:09.599 I'll say, Hey Mike, uh, let's go take a break. 00:37:09.679 --> 00:37:11.599 I'm getting kind of cold, come with me, right? 00:37:11.679 --> 00:37:12.880 Or oh, that's good. 00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:14.480 You put it on you, not them. 00:37:14.719 --> 00:37:15.519 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:37:16.719 --> 00:37:19.920 Or I'll say, Hey man, you know, I'm getting hungry or whatever. 00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:20.719 Let's, you know, whatever. 00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:22.159 Try to pull them away. 00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:25.599 Uh, or hey, I need your help finding something, come with me. 00:37:25.679 --> 00:37:27.199 It's

in the truck or something like that. 00:37:27.360 --> 00:37:28.559 We'll sit there, chill. 00:37:28.719 --> 00:37:33.280 Uh, I don't condone smoking, but hey, if we got to smoke, let's go somewhere in the truck and smoke, whatever. 00:37:33.360 --> 00:37:34.719 I'm not saying that, right? 00:37:34.960 --> 00:37:38.719 Uh, but if that doesn't work, then just say, hey man, I'm getting worried about you. 00:37:38.800 --> 00:37:44.880 Like I'm seeing these things, it is cold, I'm cold, you look cold, you're you're not functioning like normal. 00:37:45.039 --> 00:37:49.199 Can we please go, you know, to the truck or in the office or something like that? 00:37:49.360 --> 00:37:56.000 And if they really start to power through, then you might have to get a little more aggressive and say, like, Mike, I'm worried about you're gonna get hurt, you're gonna get me hurt. 00:37:56.239 --> 00:37:58.079 You know, let's get this going here. 00:37:58.159 --> 00:38:03.119 And then if that doesn't work, I understand the whole theory of snitches get stitches, right? 00:38:03.199 --> 00:38:13.119 But that that point, if if you're if they're not listening, you tried all these other three stages, it's time to get a foreman, a supervisor, a safety manager, someone on the phone to kind of man. 00:38:14.079 --> 00:38:16.000 Yeah, spot on, spot on 100. 00:38:16.320 --> 00:38:22.079 And you know, I I I guarantee I got some people listening to the show right now thinking, Chuck, I never work outside. 00:38:22.159 --> 00:38:25.679 You know, I work I only work inside or in data centers and stuff like that. 00:38:25.760 --> 00:38:35.440 And I'm gonna tell you right now, at some point in your career, and I know I know this because it's happened to me three or four times, you'll be wiring up a building, a 10, 12, 20 story building. 00:38:35.760 --> 00:38:38.239 The exterior walls aren't even on the building yet. 00:38:38.400 --> 00:38:39.519 And you'll be on the fifth floor. 00:38:39.599 --> 00:38:47.679 You can literally look out the building, and of course, you're you're you're 50, 60 feet up, that wind is just cutting right through, and you're up there pulling cable and stuff. 00:38:47.920 --> 00:38:48.880 It can happen to anybody. 00:38:49.039 --> 00:38:52.639 So you know, you know, don't think you gotta be you know out in the midwest. 00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:56.079 You don't have to be in you don't have to be in Iowa for this kind of stuff. 00:38:56.320 --> 00:39:03.039 No, well, I mean, even think about even think about the folks that do work in a freezer factory, right? 00:39:03.360 --> 00:39:05.920 Or uh an ice cream store or something like that. 00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:08.480 They have these deep freezes that you're constantly in. 00:39:08.639 --> 00:39:10.159 It's no different than being outside. 00:39:10.320 --> 00:39:13.440 You may not have the wind, but you're still gonna have the chill factor. 00:39:13.760 --> 00:39:15.920 Yeah, that's that's a conversation I have with

people all the time. 00:39:16.159 --> 00:39:23.519 They don't understand chill factor, you know, they don't realize that you know what it's really doing is it's evaporating the moisture from your skin. 00:39:23.679 --> 00:39:34.559 So it's if it's a combination of temperature and air movement, you know, you if you can't there's a difference between 23 degrees outside and 23 degrees outside with a 20 mile an hour wind. 00:39:35.039 --> 00:39:40.000 Yeah, go to the go to the lakes and tell me how you feel about it then, right? 00:39:40.079 --> 00:39:44.480 If you go up to Michigan and area like that, right, you'll know. 00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:46.880 Oh, one 100%, 100%. 00:39:47.199 --> 00:39:48.960 Dan, I appreciate you coming on the show, my friend. 00:39:49.039 --> 00:39:50.400 Do you have any parting thoughts? 00:39:50.559 --> 00:39:54.159 Before you didn't mention you didn't mention your podcast. 00:39:54.400 --> 00:39:56.320 Yeah, the I've got my own podcast. 00:39:56.400 --> 00:39:59.360 It's called uh Safety Man Dan the Show. 00:39:59.440 --> 00:40:01.039 It's on YouTube and Spotify. 00:40:01.119 --> 00:40:02.880 It's at Ask Safety Man Dan. 00:40:03.519 --> 00:40:08.400 Uh, I've only got two episodes up at the time of this recording, but I just started it recently. 00:40:08.559 --> 00:40:10.719 My big thing, folks, is I get it. 00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:15.760 Just like you said before, oh, no one wants to listen to the safety guide, no one wants to talk to the safety guy. 00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:26.400 But let me tell you guys, there is a movement going on right now whereas a lot of safety folks around my age, the millennial age, that's really trying to change how you view safety representatives. 00:40:26.639 --> 00:40:40.400 And my ultimate goal from my podcast and my shows and things I do, and even in my day-to-day work, is to understand where you, as the worker, are coming from and listen to you and not look at it as purely just a business. 00:40:40.559 --> 00:40:48.719 Uh, and that's what I'm trying to do is show safety can work with the workers and accomplish the same goal, and we all go home safe. 00:40:48.880 --> 00:40:54.000 And ultimately, I want you to go home safe because I've seen what happens to people when they don't do the safe thing. 00:40:54.239 --> 00:40:57.280 My wife still sees it, she's a paramedic firefighter where I live. 00:40:57.440 --> 00:40:58.880 She still sees those things. 00:40:59.039 --> 00:41:02.239 And so we ultimately want you to go home safe to your families. 00:41:02.559 --> 00:41:19.039 So if you want someone that's going to have fun around safety and humor, but also educate you about your rights, what also what we can do as managers to improve, and what you can give us to improve as managers, check out my podcast and my uh TikTok page, Ask Safety Man Dan. 00:41:19.519 --> 00:41:21.840 I'll put those links in the in the comments below. 00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:23.360 Great conversation, my friend. 00:41:23.519 --> 00:41:24.079 I see you. 00:41:24.480 --> 00:41:31.519 I see you coming on the show uh in the summertime to talk about overheated people. 00:41:31.920 --> 00:41:32.480 Oh, yeah. 00:41:32.559 --> 00:41:33.440 That's one of my favorite. 00:41:33.599 --> 00:41:35.920 I overheat so easy, so I know that very well. 00:41:36.079 --> 00:41:51.280 Why why does why does overheating seem to affect us uh um corn fed country boys more than the uh than those 120-pound, you know, um women jean wearing people? 00:41:51.760 --> 00:41:52.639 Right, right. 00:41:52.800 --> 00:41:53.280 I don't know. 00:41:53.599 --> 00:41:54.320 That's a good question. 00:41:54.480 --> 00:41:56.480 Maybe I'll have an answer for you when we do the show. 00:41:57.599 --> 00:41:59.039 Well, I appreciate you coming on, my friend. 00:41:59.440 --> 00:42:00.239 Appreciate it, buddy.