النص الكامل لحلقة Why You're Not Getting Promoted (Even If You're Good at Your Job)

--> 00:04:38.160 Is a plastic bait that you can lose or be destroyed,$500. 00:04:38.560 --> 00:04:41.360 It's not even like a hard$500 for one one day. 00:04:41.600 --> 00:04:43.759 They were buying like five of them for$2,500. 00:04:44.319 --> 00:04:51.759 And a guy on a Saturday night service, he and I had talked, and he brought me one of the original, the OG. 00:04:51.839 --> 00:04:54.160 Now they're all knocked off, and you can get plenty. 00:04:54.399 --> 00:04:58.240 He brought me an OG and I ordained him as a pastor on this box. 00:04:59.360 --> 00:05:01.279 I laid hands on him and made him an elder. 00:05:01.439 --> 00:05:08.079 But anyway, so yeah, you don't want to, we did not want to go down the bass fishing path because I'll get all excited about that. 00:05:08.319 --> 00:05:26.240 So let's let's do but I do, I do, I'm thankful, and I know people from uh all different areas of leadership and growth, and there's pastors and staff members and people, and and uh we were just in a meeting, we're getting geared up for our leaders gathering in January, so I'm pumped about that. 00:05:26.319 --> 00:05:34.800 We have Chris Tomlin coming, so pumped for people to come here, hear uh him, and then I'm really excited about some of our topics. 00:05:35.040 --> 00:05:36.639 Conference is free. 00:05:36.879 --> 00:05:41.040 Um, I don't think you find a lot of places that add that much value that it's free. 00:05:41.279 --> 00:05:48.399 So it's free, and you can bring your team, makes it possible for churches, even on a smaller budget, to bring their team members. 00:05:48.480 --> 00:05:57.920 And we do a lot of great breakout sessions where your team always tell my team you need to know somebody further along than you ahead of you in your area. 00:05:58.160 --> 00:06:02.879 And so uh just give them a little shout out for that January 4th. 00:06:03.279 --> 00:06:05.199 Yep, January 4th to the 6th. 00:06:05.279 --> 00:06:06.399 It's gonna be incredible. 00:06:06.560 --> 00:06:09.279 Um, registration's open, leadtowin.com. 00:06:09.439 --> 00:06:10.720 You can go on register. 00:06:10.879 --> 00:06:15.199 We also have a youth pastor gathering um that kind of leads into it the day before. 00:06:15.279 --> 00:06:20.959 So if you're a youth pastor, um you don't want to miss that, but just an incredible gathering, whole events free. 00:06:21.120 --> 00:06:22.399 It's gonna be gonna be amazing. 00:06:22.639 --> 00:06:26.079 So we want to start a new a new series. 00:06:26.240 --> 00:06:45.600 I I've been wanting to, you know, I have guests and I love I just love introducing people to other people and hearing their story, but um, I want to do a a five episode series, and I want to I want to do it around I guess what I would call five ways to get promoted. 00:06:45.920 --> 00:06:46.800 Yeah, wow. 00:06:47.040 --> 00:06:54.079 I mean, I think people listening, they want to get promoted, they want to be recognized, they want to get a raise. 00:06:54.399 --> 00:07:07.680 Um, so but I would actually say this series would also be good for people leading departments, people leading in areas as well, things you're looking for in employees. 00:07:07.759 --> 00:07:07.920 Right. 00:07:08.079 --> 00:07:11.360 What are you looking for in in people to hire? 00:07:11.759 --> 00:07:15.120 And so five ways to get promoted. 00:07:15.279 --> 00:07:23.680 And I want to tell everybody as we get into this series of podcast that it's something I'm really passionate about. 00:07:23.759 --> 00:07:30.480 I didn't just like I actually am packaging it in a way to help everybody, but it's something I've I've worked on for the last year. 00:07:30.639 --> 00:07:31.199 Yeah. 00:07:31.519 --> 00:07:35.360 Um I uh let me set the stage. 00:07:35.439 --> 00:07:40.639 Yeah, I just came out of our staff gathering, we call it. 00:07:40.879 --> 00:07:44.399 It's really a now it's kind of like a staff conference. 00:07:44.560 --> 00:07:56.000 It's about two and a half days of all of our staff, our team, all of the college students, all of our residents and interns. 00:07:56.160 --> 00:07:57.920 So it's it's everyone in the orbit. 00:07:58.000 --> 00:08:01.360 And then we allow them the freedom to bring spouses. 00:08:01.680 --> 00:08:09.519 So um when you put all that together, it's several hundred people that it's like a congregation in and of itself. 00:08:09.920 --> 00:08:13.600 And I feel such a stewardship and a responsibility to those people. 00:08:13.759 --> 00:08:22.879 I mean, I am unique, not everybody listening to the podcast is a pastor, but I'm unique in the sense that I'm their pastor and I lead the organization. 00:08:23.040 --> 00:08:31.920 So I actually have a stewardship spiritually for them, and I also want to create a climate and an atmosphere that they can really develop and grow. 00:08:32.399 --> 00:08:38.159 And um, and so our culture was a strong organic culture. 00:08:38.399 --> 00:08:45.759 Part of that's due to my leadership style, part of that is due to I started the church with some of my friends that I discipled. 00:08:46.159 --> 00:08:51.840 Part of that is I'm a big, I'm a big heart, culture, spirit person. 00:08:52.240 --> 00:08:54.799 Yeah, and I'm also engaged. 00:08:54.960 --> 00:08:56.320 So I'm really engaged. 00:08:56.480 --> 00:09:00.159 I mean, you and I just walked out of a meeting that started at what time this morning? 00:09:00.639 --> 00:09:00.799 Yeah. 00:09:01.120 --> 00:09:02.159 10, 10:30. 00:09:02.320 --> 00:09:08.720 So, and we're talking plans, we're talking ideas, we're talking culture, we're talking about not that, this. 00:09:09.279 --> 00:09:22.879 So all of that led us to a place where, so some of you may need to address your culture, be more intentional about your culture, but culture is what people experience. 00:09:23.120 --> 00:09:30.960 And I spent about nine or ten months really working hard on culture values, how to make it accessible. 00:09:31.039 --> 00:09:36.320 And we

just had our leaders gathering, and it was fun, it was life-giving, it was exciting. 00:09:36.480 --> 00:09:40.559 You know, I mean, I don't know, you tell me probably a better perspective. 00:09:40.639 --> 00:09:44.000 I feel like everybody walked away having felt it. 00:09:44.159 --> 00:09:44.559 Yep. 00:09:44.720 --> 00:09:46.720 You know, well, there were so many different moments. 00:09:46.879 --> 00:09:51.279 I mean, yeah, like where you could feel the value, it wasn't just being taught. 00:09:51.360 --> 00:09:58.320 I mean, we did you did these documentary videos where the team shared the values and how they've both experienced them and lived them. 00:09:58.480 --> 00:10:00.559 But I mean, definitely the fruit. 00:10:00.720 --> 00:10:02.399 I was telling you this in the meeting this morning. 00:10:02.559 --> 00:10:18.559 The fruit on the back side of the values is, I mean, I look around this room, even some of the people here that are on my teams, like when they left it, you know, were very easily able to start evaluating, okay, now it's clear, right? 00:10:18.639 --> 00:10:20.960 Like this is this is one I'm really good at. 00:10:21.039 --> 00:10:22.639 This is one that I struggle with. 00:10:22.799 --> 00:10:24.879 Even as my manager, like what do you see? 00:10:25.039 --> 00:10:26.000 Like, where can I grow? 00:10:26.159 --> 00:10:27.840 Which one do you feel like I need to grow in? 00:10:28.000 --> 00:10:35.200 So the clarity, the definition definitely helped everyone to be able to see the target, see the goal, see the scoreboard, you know. 00:10:35.600 --> 00:10:40.080 So to be clear, I want to do, I'm I'm gleaning from that, put a lot of work. 00:10:40.240 --> 00:10:44.240 I mean, stickers for your laptop, merch, things, I mean, all kind of crazy. 00:10:44.559 --> 00:10:48.080 Finders, viewfinders, documentary video series. 00:10:48.159 --> 00:10:49.360 It was quite a bit. 00:10:49.519 --> 00:10:53.279 And uh shout out to some of my team that really helped that become possible. 00:10:53.440 --> 00:10:56.399 But you know, culture, you have to experience. 00:10:56.559 --> 00:11:01.039 I mean, you can say it on paper all day, but people have to experience it, right? 00:11:01.360 --> 00:11:05.200 And so that's what I've been living in. 00:11:05.360 --> 00:11:06.399 So I'm passionate. 00:11:06.480 --> 00:11:10.639 But I want to do a series of, you know, how do I get promoted? 00:11:10.720 --> 00:11:26.799 Like, because I believe some of our values are are somewhat universal too, to where you may want to put them into your culture, but you also might want to maybe learn how to prioritize these things with the people that you're leading. 00:11:27.039 --> 00:11:35.759 Or at a bottom level, every person here, I think if you get a few of these, you're gonna get promoted in the environment that you're in. 00:11:36.399 --> 00:11:38.000 There's always a team being picked. 00:11:38.240 --> 00:11:38.960 Oh, yeah. 00:11:39.200 --> 00:11:39.600 For sure. 00:11:39.840 --> 00:11:41.519 Anytime there's a meeting, it's like, let's do that. 00:11:41.600 --> 00:11:44.159 Everybody's looking around going, I want them, I want them, I want them. 00:11:44.320 --> 00:11:46.720 Somebody's picking a team at all times. 00:11:46.960 --> 00:11:51.519 And so, number one in this series, because we're gonna do number one. 00:11:51.679 --> 00:12:04.399 I know it took me a little while to set it up, but I think number one in the series, how to get promoted, how to be picked, how to be a team member. 00:12:04.559 --> 00:12:17.039 You know, I always say too, is you want to be the person when it's like I have people on my team that if push came to shove, I would give them some of my salary before I would I mean other words, I don't want to do it without them. 00:12:17.200 --> 00:12:17.679 Right. 00:12:17.919 --> 00:12:19.360 How do you get on that team? 00:12:19.440 --> 00:12:19.759 Yep. 00:12:19.919 --> 00:12:24.320 You know, and I think number one is have a good spirit. 00:12:24.879 --> 00:12:25.279 Yeah. 00:12:25.600 --> 00:12:26.480 Have a good spirit. 00:12:26.639 --> 00:12:28.159 That I mean, that seems so vague. 00:12:28.240 --> 00:12:33.120 I remember even when you put it up on the screen, like I'm sitting there like, have a good spirit, you know? 00:12:33.440 --> 00:12:34.799 Halloween's coming up. 00:12:35.200 --> 00:12:37.120 Like, you know, what do I get it so? 00:12:37.519 --> 00:12:42.000 Only go as a firefighter, not as some uh something that's uh no one as Mr. 00:12:42.080 --> 00:12:42.559 Incredible. 00:12:42.639 --> 00:12:45.120 I think mom just just about backhanded me for that. 00:12:45.519 --> 00:12:53.759 Mom is no no Halloween person, and then you told the dentist, I'm the dentist asked Laney, who's in the chair, what are you going to as uh for Halloween? 00:12:53.840 --> 00:12:58.320 And and uh Laney goes, We don't celebrate Halloween, and then you said, I'm going as Mr. 00:12:58.480 --> 00:12:59.039 Incredible. 00:12:59.200 --> 00:13:00.399 Your mom about killed you. 00:13:00.639 --> 00:13:03.519 But anyway, so I thought Disney was fair game. 00:13:03.600 --> 00:13:06.240 I mean, you know, nothing scary. 00:13:06.799 --> 00:13:10.320 So have a have a good, good spirit. 00:13:10.480 --> 00:13:12.639 Here's the way I would here's the way I would say it. 00:13:13.600 --> 00:13:18.639 You can walk into a home and you feel something. 00:13:18.799 --> 00:13:20.960 You're like, it feels static here. 00:13:21.360 --> 00:13:23.039 You can be like, it feels fun here. 00:13:23.200 --> 00:13:25.600 Oh, it feels like they were ready for me to be here. 00:13:25.759 --> 00:13:25.840 Yeah. 00:13:26.000 --> 00:13:35.360 I smell candles, I feel like they maybe have been cooking something, I smell some cookies, I feel you know, it's disorganized, it's dirty, it's sloppy. 00:13:36.080 --> 00:13:41.519 The people in the environment, if you go to someone's home, you can find out, you can feel if there's

tension. 00:13:41.600 --> 00:13:43.919 Yeah, do these people really love each other? 00:13:44.159 --> 00:13:44.960 Do they get along? 00:13:45.120 --> 00:13:46.080 Do they trust each other? 00:13:46.240 --> 00:13:52.320 A home has a spirit, yeah, it has a culture, it has an environment, has an ethos. 00:13:53.120 --> 00:13:54.720 And people do too. 00:13:55.120 --> 00:14:06.879 You know, I I can't tell you how many times you're like I I've been where it's just like, man, you know, I don't know if they had an I don't know if they know how to do anything, but they have a good spirit. 00:14:07.440 --> 00:14:18.000 And it's like I just, you know, and I and I'm a I'm big on, you know, I love talent, but I will never take talent over heart. 00:14:18.240 --> 00:14:18.399 Yeah. 00:14:18.720 --> 00:14:19.039 Never. 00:14:19.360 --> 00:14:20.879 Because heart that'll kill you. 00:14:21.200 --> 00:14:21.440 True. 00:14:21.679 --> 00:14:28.960 I've known some I've I've met with some, I mean, I remember in a specific area of our church, we were very behind. 00:14:29.919 --> 00:14:33.200 And like I just like, we have to go here. 00:14:33.440 --> 00:14:37.039 Like it I would say we needed this person's talent. 00:14:37.200 --> 00:14:37.519 Yeah. 00:14:37.840 --> 00:14:47.440 And I remember meeting with them and they're like an industry leader, and I was just thinking, man, they know a lot, but I'm gonna end up choking this person, you know. 00:14:47.679 --> 00:14:51.200 Not you're not really supposed to choke anybody as a Christian, you're supposed to forgive them. 00:14:52.080 --> 00:14:53.200 Because of bad spirit, though. 00:14:53.679 --> 00:14:58.480 Bad spirit, and and I and it wouldn't be because of how you relate to me, it'd be how you relate to others. 00:14:58.639 --> 00:14:58.799 Right. 00:14:59.039 --> 00:15:06.240 Because uh, you know, as a dad, you're always thinking, okay, you don't get the right to mistreat other people. 00:15:06.399 --> 00:15:09.919 If you do, I'm going to have to have a moment with you. 00:15:10.080 --> 00:15:10.240 Right. 00:15:10.639 --> 00:15:14.399 But I just remember thinking, just their spirit was just like, eh. 00:15:15.120 --> 00:15:18.240 When you walk away from someone, you're always discerning. 00:15:19.679 --> 00:15:22.159 The the dialogues about EQ and IQ. 00:15:22.240 --> 00:15:22.320 Yeah. 00:15:22.879 --> 00:15:23.120 Okay. 00:15:23.360 --> 00:15:24.720 Everybody thinks you need to be smarter. 00:15:25.039 --> 00:15:30.240 There's plenty of people with lots of degrees who are very ineffective in terms of I'm not against degrees. 00:15:30.320 --> 00:15:31.279 I have multiple degrees. 00:15:31.759 --> 00:15:42.639 So but I am saying it's been proven, and this is why it's so important to help your kids with attitude as a parent, because your attitude determines your altitude. 00:15:43.039 --> 00:15:44.559 I'll give you some Bible verses. 00:15:44.720 --> 00:15:51.039 Um I love I love the Thessalonic church, you know, like everybody was talking about Thessalonica. 00:15:51.279 --> 00:15:52.159 Paul writes 'em. 00:15:53.120 --> 00:16:03.600 I I'm he said he he says this, our gospel didn't come to you in word and deed only, but in full conviction and the power of the Holy Spirit. 00:16:04.240 --> 00:16:07.919 So he said, it isn't just about what you're saying, it isn't just about what you're doing. 00:16:08.080 --> 00:16:08.799 Those are important. 00:16:08.879 --> 00:16:10.399 It's also about how you're doing it. 00:16:10.960 --> 00:16:13.679 You have a conviction, you're walking in the power of the Holy Spirit. 00:16:13.759 --> 00:16:21.120 And he says something, a little bit of paraphrase here, but he basically is like, I don't really have to go talk about you. 00:16:21.919 --> 00:16:24.720 Everybody's talking about what God's doing among you. 00:16:24.879 --> 00:16:29.600 And he and he's just commending them and encouraging them on how they're doing what they're doing. 00:16:29.840 --> 00:16:35.600 And my joke is he's like, I don't need to run an ad campaign. 00:16:35.759 --> 00:16:39.600 Yeah, I don't need to put you on social media. 00:16:39.759 --> 00:16:41.759 You don't have to get you don't have to trend. 00:16:41.840 --> 00:16:42.879 You don't have to go viral. 00:16:42.960 --> 00:16:43.360 Yep. 00:16:43.679 --> 00:16:45.440 Because you don't need any PR. 00:16:45.600 --> 00:16:48.639 You don't need PR because you have such a good spirit, everybody's gonna find out. 00:16:48.799 --> 00:16:49.039 Right. 00:16:49.279 --> 00:16:49.600 You know? 00:16:49.840 --> 00:16:50.080 Yep. 00:16:50.320 --> 00:16:58.960 And and so the reality is people with good spirits find other people with good spirits. 00:16:59.200 --> 00:16:59.519 True. 00:16:59.759 --> 00:17:02.480 People with a bad spirit find the people with a bad spirit. 00:17:02.799 --> 00:17:03.279 So true. 00:17:03.519 --> 00:17:04.960 Like attracts a like. 00:17:05.599 --> 00:17:07.279 Like attracts like. 00:17:07.839 --> 00:17:12.559 I'll be honest, as a pastor, it quite I should know it, but as a pastor, it always surprises me. 00:17:12.799 --> 00:17:17.839 It's like they have a bad spirit, and then you find out, well, they're connected to this person, this person. 00:17:18.160 --> 00:17:25.039 You will eventually attract and find people that like spirit attracts like spirit. 00:17:25.119 --> 00:17:25.839 Yeah, right. 00:17:26.240 --> 00:17:33.440 Um, Philippians 2 actually says, do everything without grumbling or arguing. 00:17:34.000 --> 00:17:35.440 Man, that's a high call. 00:17:36.640 --> 00:17:40.079 I have grumbled and I have had a tendency to argue, I'll tell you that. 00:17:40.400 --> 00:17:49.839 So that you may become blameless and pure, children of God without fault in a warped and crooked generation, then you will shine among them like stars in the sky. 00:17:50.079 --> 00:18:02.160 So the basically is not that you can't have convictions or whatever, but he's like, okay, if you can

be known as you're not a complainer and you're not, I would say argumentative. 00:18:02.559 --> 00:18:04.319 What he's really talking about is being argumentative. 00:18:04.480 --> 00:18:09.039 Some people you can't lead, some people you can't talk to, some people you can't work with. 00:18:09.359 --> 00:18:22.400 Because and so just and and in our world, this is getting harder because you get clicks and you get likes and you get you get extra credit for making twos of ten. 00:18:22.880 --> 00:18:23.359 Yep. 00:18:24.160 --> 00:18:31.839 And so so and then you have the algorithm-driven iPhone that feeds you your bias. 00:18:32.559 --> 00:18:32.960 For sure. 00:18:33.200 --> 00:18:34.319 It stirs you up all the time. 00:18:34.640 --> 00:18:41.440 Well, I mean, that was gonna be my first question on this topic is like, I mean, I work with young adults every day. 00:18:41.519 --> 00:18:44.720 So most of them are graduated from college, first job. 00:18:44.880 --> 00:18:50.160 And I mean, it's pretty rare that you find your dream job at your first pass. 00:18:50.240 --> 00:18:52.559 You know, I mean, you're getting out of school, you're getting your job. 00:18:52.720 --> 00:19:04.079 And a lot of times people can say it's hard to have a good spirit when my boss is difficult, or this isn't the job I thought I was gonna have, or I really want to be doing that. 00:19:04.240 --> 00:19:07.680 Like that that might be the question that a viewer has. 00:19:07.920 --> 00:19:09.920 And I think it's learned behavior a lot of times. 00:19:10.079 --> 00:19:17.920 I mean, it is human nature, but if you grew up around an atmosphere where if you pout, you get your way, then you pout more. 00:19:18.079 --> 00:19:18.319 Yep. 00:19:18.559 --> 00:19:21.920 In my house, if you pout, you for sure are not getting your way. 00:19:22.079 --> 00:19:22.640 Yep. 00:19:22.880 --> 00:19:24.240 Just because you pouted. 00:19:24.480 --> 00:19:25.119 Of course not. 00:19:25.279 --> 00:19:25.440 Yep. 00:19:25.680 --> 00:19:30.079 I mean, that's of course not, because that's gonna reward behavior that's gonna hurt you later. 00:19:30.240 --> 00:19:30.400 Yeah. 00:19:30.640 --> 00:19:38.480 And so some people just have learned to manipulate their parents and pout, and they think that's what the world's gonna do, is every time they stick their lip out. 00:19:38.720 --> 00:19:58.480 Sam, my grandson, is big right now, and we do, I don't know, some people are listening and they're not can't see this, but our favorite thing right now is he does like his hand, and his hand comes and he goes and then he goes down, he goes, And so when his hand goes over, he changes emotions. 00:19:58.640 --> 00:20:03.039 And what he's showing me is when he sticks that big lip out there, it's a choice. 00:20:03.279 --> 00:20:05.519 And he can change it, but he doesn't want to. 00:20:05.680 --> 00:20:06.000 Oh, yeah. 00:20:06.400 --> 00:20:29.039 And so so we've been taught to pout, we have been taught to we've also grown up in homes where when you parents actually reinforcing disagreement with authority figures with their kids, yeah, like teaching them that you don't want to listen to any of your coaches or your pastors or anybody. 00:20:29.119 --> 00:20:29.279 Right. 00:20:29.440 --> 00:20:34.240 And so for me, that's a that's a terrible behavior that's gonna hurt you in life one day. 00:20:34.480 --> 00:20:43.920 Like, in other words, what I would say is if you have a tough coach, if I my advice will be, as you had, I know you're laughing because you had a tough coach, who actually goes to our church? 00:20:44.319 --> 00:20:45.279 Goes to our church, yeah. 00:20:45.440 --> 00:20:48.480 No, you won him over, and I mean he was tough. 00:20:48.880 --> 00:21:02.559 I mean, honestly, I think overboard at times, you know, but I never defended, I never told you, hey, you need to go tell him and you need to give him peace of your mind, and how dare that guy talk to you or whatever. 00:21:02.720 --> 00:21:04.880 I was like, he's your coach, go win with him. 00:21:04.960 --> 00:21:06.160 Yeah, go do what he says. 00:21:06.240 --> 00:21:09.680 And he and and being coached tougher is only gonna make you better. 00:21:10.240 --> 00:21:13.039 People who get played favorites only become worse. 00:21:13.279 --> 00:21:13.519 Yep. 00:21:13.759 --> 00:21:16.720 And so a lot of people haven't grown up with that thought process. 00:21:16.880 --> 00:21:25.599 All I'm saying, the Bible says if you're not an argumentative person and you're not a complaining person, you shine like the stars in the sky in today's world. 00:21:25.759 --> 00:21:27.119 So I think it's so true. 00:21:27.279 --> 00:21:31.440 People with a good spirit, you're just like, man, it's amazing. 00:21:31.599 --> 00:21:34.640 Um, cultural research shows this. 00:21:34.720 --> 00:21:44.240 Uh, this is a research of about 15,000 employees found that workers with positive attitudes demonstrated higher performance, greater camaraderie, increased personal fulfillment. 00:21:44.480 --> 00:21:52.960 The same studies also showed that the best organizational cultures depended heavily on behaviors that aren't in anyone's job description. 00:21:53.119 --> 00:21:53.440 Yeah. 00:21:53.920 --> 00:21:58.799 So most of the this is part of why I started wanting to write down some things, get more clear. 00:21:58.960 --> 00:21:59.759 Most of the stuff. 00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:02.640 That's impacting your promotion is not written down. 00:22:02.720 --> 00:22:08.400 It's the unwritten cultural things that you're not you're not picking up on. 00:22:08.640 --> 00:22:21.920 Because there's an it, there's a there's a non-job description, non-evaluation thing where I'll just be honest, if your boss likes you, if your boss wants you to win, then guess what you tend to do? 00:22:22.160 --> 00:22:27.920 Get promoted, get a bonus, get a raise, because when they're selecting, they're gonna always pick the people with the good

spirit. 00:22:28.000 --> 00:22:28.400 Yeah. 00:22:28.720 --> 00:22:46.000 A group of 88 studies emphasize this, and I'm gonna go to what I think some of the characteristics of good spirit is, that the role of flexibility was one of the biggest characteristics in good spirit, meaning they're flexible. 00:22:46.319 --> 00:22:46.720 Pivot. 00:22:46.880 --> 00:22:48.720 They know how to pivot, they know how to flow. 00:22:48.880 --> 00:22:49.279 Yep. 00:22:49.680 --> 00:22:57.519 And and so I think it plays into some of these characteristics, and it is one of them that that I think is that I wrote down. 00:22:58.079 --> 00:23:04.160 I think just to just to clarify, so you're saying if you want to get promoted, first thing you'd say is have a good spirit. 00:23:04.799 --> 00:23:10.880 We'll get to some practicals and things later on, further episodes, but have a good spirit, make it practical for us. 00:23:10.960 --> 00:23:13.519 What are what are the few things you'd be like, first of all? 00:23:13.599 --> 00:23:16.559 I would also say, would you be willing to ask a dangerous question? 00:23:16.720 --> 00:23:24.720 Because most of the time people with a bad spirit aren't really open to someone telling them they have a bad spirit, but everybody knows they do. 00:23:25.839 --> 00:23:38.880 So again, powders, manipulators, people that have been taught to have a bad spirit, and and really having a bad spirit really means that you've grown up with a world view that it's about you. 00:23:40.000 --> 00:23:41.200 That's really what it means. 00:23:41.359 --> 00:23:42.799 So I have the right. 00:23:43.039 --> 00:23:53.599 And that and that's that's the sad thing about even disciplining kids and training kids and raising up kids is you you let let them grow up and then think that the world revolves around them, and that's dangerous. 00:23:53.920 --> 00:23:56.240 But really, good spirit. 00:23:56.400 --> 00:24:07.039 If you say what would I say practically, would you ask that crazy dangerous question of your boss to go, do you feel like, okay, I know you want me, what are some things you want me to work on? 00:24:07.119 --> 00:24:16.559 And and and I know that I have these things you need me to do before next week, and I know you'd like me to raise my sales and you'd like me to touch more people and be on time and da-da-da. 00:24:16.799 --> 00:24:19.599 But can I ask you a real a real practical question? 00:24:19.759 --> 00:24:21.519 Do you feel like I have a good attitude? 00:24:21.759 --> 00:24:22.720 Yeah, yeah. 00:24:23.119 --> 00:24:24.400 You feel like I have a good attitude? 00:24:24.480 --> 00:24:31.519 Because I'm gonna tell you any coach is looking for players with good attitudes. 00:24:31.839 --> 00:24:32.319 So true. 00:24:32.480 --> 00:24:33.279 It's massive. 00:24:33.519 --> 00:24:38.799 And if if you and so if if if you ask that question and they say, you know what, I think you do. 00:24:38.960 --> 00:24:44.480 Like I really want to help you, you're gonna overcome those other things if you have a good attitude. 00:24:44.799 --> 00:24:45.119 100%. 00:24:45.440 --> 00:24:45.680 Yeah. 00:24:46.079 --> 00:24:50.799 What does a person look like who has a good spirit? 00:24:51.039 --> 00:24:52.160 I just wrote down a few. 00:24:52.400 --> 00:24:55.839 Number one, fun, right? 00:24:56.160 --> 00:24:58.480 I mean, I just think people with a good spirit are fun. 00:24:58.640 --> 00:25:00.640 I don't mean you have to be silly. 00:25:00.880 --> 00:25:05.359 I don't mean you have to be corny, but are you fun to be around? 00:25:05.519 --> 00:25:07.440 Like do do people want to be with you? 00:25:07.599 --> 00:25:12.400 I and and and the old saying is people most people who aren't fun think they are. 00:25:12.640 --> 00:25:13.200 True. 00:25:13.440 --> 00:25:15.680 Well, it's the do you take yourself too seriously? 00:25:15.759 --> 00:25:16.559 Yeah, yeah. 00:25:16.720 --> 00:25:18.880 That's a sign of security, by the way. 00:25:19.039 --> 00:25:23.440 Good spirited people have a security, and we all are insecure, let's be clear. 00:25:23.680 --> 00:25:25.039 We all have insecurities. 00:25:25.200 --> 00:25:45.680 But one thing that's secure, and I would say this if you do speaking and if you work with younger people, making fun of yourself is a big deal in terms of showing and offering security, like throw yourself under the bus a little, be more, be more self-aware about who you are because they already know you are that way. 00:25:46.000 --> 00:25:49.839 But one thought I've had several times is, are you having fun? 00:25:49.920 --> 00:25:50.960 And they're like, Oh, yes. 00:25:51.039 --> 00:25:53.119 And I'm like, Well, you need to tell your face. 00:25:53.920 --> 00:25:57.200 Well, I mean, you mentioned it in the in the teaching. 00:25:57.279 --> 00:25:59.519 You were saying, like, I I love what we get to do. 00:25:59.599 --> 00:26:02.079 I love, and and that was ministry specific, you know. 00:26:02.160 --> 00:26:04.720 But I mean, I can't believe I get to do what we're doing. 00:26:04.799 --> 00:26:08.000 Even on a hard day, it's like, man, this is fun, you know. 00:26:08.480 --> 00:26:12.400 You can't you can't look at any success book, any success book. 00:26:12.559 --> 00:26:16.319 Or you I watch these guys on YouTube that interview successful people or whatever. 00:26:16.799 --> 00:26:22.640 You can't see any of those, and they don't say, if you enjoy and love what you do. 00:26:23.119 --> 00:26:23.599 So true. 00:26:23.839 --> 00:26:29.279 Then eventually the money and the scoreboard and the results and the whatever it is, but you gotta love it. 00:26:29.440 --> 00:26:29.680 Yep. 00:26:29.839 --> 00:26:42.640 I mean you and and I think a lot of people, I will say to ministry, a lot of people see it as a burden, and then they wonder why they don't have people around them that have a it there's a contagious atmosphere when you really love it. 00:26:42.799 --> 00:26:48.319 Yep, you know,

because it's infectious either way, like negative with your family, you know. 00:26:48.480 --> 00:26:51.440 Well, that's gonna get off on everybody, you know, positive. 00:26:51.839 --> 00:26:53.759 Lighten up, laugh a little more. 00:26:53.920 --> 00:26:55.359 Yeah, laughter doeth good. 00:26:55.440 --> 00:26:55.920 What is it? 00:26:56.079 --> 00:26:56.880 It's like medicine. 00:26:57.119 --> 00:26:59.839 Boy, do you think about people need some medicine today? 00:27:00.000 --> 00:27:04.400 You know, spiritual health, soul health, emotional health, laugh a little bit. 00:27:04.640 --> 00:27:05.279 Curious. 00:27:05.440 --> 00:27:08.240 I realize this was a big one that I don't talk about enough. 00:27:08.480 --> 00:27:10.000 I like curious people. 00:27:10.160 --> 00:27:12.799 They're learning, they have stuff to offer. 00:27:13.119 --> 00:27:18.240 Creativity is also based on curiosity because you you're curious about how things work. 00:27:18.400 --> 00:27:20.559 Yeah, you want to know what's motivating those people? 00:27:20.640 --> 00:27:21.759 Where's that coming from? 00:27:21.920 --> 00:27:22.720 Talk to me. 00:27:22.880 --> 00:27:27.119 I I think I think you want to be a type of person that learns something new every day. 00:27:27.359 --> 00:27:27.759 It's good. 00:27:27.920 --> 00:27:31.440 And I and I think good-spirited people have this idea. 00:27:32.000 --> 00:27:34.799 Wow, tell me, tell me more about that. 00:27:34.960 --> 00:27:35.359 What? 00:27:35.519 --> 00:27:36.480 Where really? 00:27:37.039 --> 00:27:45.359 I mean, even you wouldn't say this about yourself, but to to honor you for a second, like you, you challenge me a lot in this direction. 00:27:45.519 --> 00:27:48.160 I mean, last week I walk into a meeting. 00:27:48.319 --> 00:27:55.039 I mean, there's 40 people in the room, and you've invited one of the greatest pastors in America who's coaching you. 00:27:55.279 --> 00:27:58.559 Not a lot of people at your station and size are doing that. 00:27:58.640 --> 00:28:02.559 Not only did you allow them to coach you, you invited your whole team to watch you get coached. 00:28:02.720 --> 00:28:02.960 Right. 00:28:03.119 --> 00:28:05.440 And your whole posture was like, what do you see? 00:28:05.519 --> 00:28:06.400 Like, what am I missing? 00:28:06.559 --> 00:28:07.599 Is there a blind spot? 00:28:08.000 --> 00:28:11.359 I mean, that challenged me a lot to be like, man, who am I learning from? 00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:13.200 Like, am I curious enough? 00:28:13.519 --> 00:28:19.440 Well, most of the time we spend time defending what we've done, but you can't ever get better at anything. 00:28:19.519 --> 00:28:21.279 Your primary goal is to defend. 00:28:21.440 --> 00:28:21.839 Yeah. 00:28:22.160 --> 00:28:28.799 So everybody with a sinking ship was probably defending something while the boat was sinking. 00:28:28.960 --> 00:28:29.119 Yeah. 00:28:29.279 --> 00:28:29.440 Right. 00:28:29.599 --> 00:28:31.599 So I think, I think curious. 00:28:31.680 --> 00:28:32.799 Yeah, just be curious. 00:28:32.960 --> 00:28:34.880 Be, be, I want to learn something new. 00:28:35.119 --> 00:28:43.839 I would give people, I'm talking about just a sales, yeah, connection, evangelism, whatever level you might see it. 00:28:44.240 --> 00:28:50.640 If you are interested, insecure people sit at a table and talk about themselves. 00:28:50.799 --> 00:28:51.200 Yeah. 00:28:51.440 --> 00:28:54.799 So it's like, how do you become interested? 00:28:55.759 --> 00:29:02.240 If you're out there and you're like, I want to get a date, I want to get a job, I want to get a friend, be interested. 00:29:02.319 --> 00:29:04.000 Because you know what people love to do? 00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:06.000 Talk about themselves. 00:29:06.640 --> 00:29:07.759 So be curious. 00:29:08.319 --> 00:29:10.160 Nimble and flexible, right? 00:29:10.640 --> 00:29:13.119 We embrace new ideas, we adapt quickly. 00:29:13.279 --> 00:29:17.839 We're we're the these are type of people that are ready to pivot when things change, you know. 00:29:17.920 --> 00:29:27.920 And and I and I think I think you need processes, you need administration, those are very important, but the processes were there to serve the people. 00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:28.319 Yep. 00:29:28.480 --> 00:29:31.279 And the processes there were there to serve the vision. 00:29:31.440 --> 00:29:34.000 Those those things are not there to serve the processes. 00:29:34.079 --> 00:29:36.160 So what's the best way to do it? 00:29:36.799 --> 00:29:37.920 The way that works. 00:29:38.079 --> 00:29:38.240 Yeah. 00:29:38.400 --> 00:29:38.640 Right. 00:29:38.799 --> 00:29:48.720 And sometimes you're especially when you're in a uh a new business, a new church setup, and a new development of something, then then things are going to develop, right? 00:29:48.880 --> 00:30:02.799 I've seen people have trouble working in the in the speaking specifically of the ministry environment where they were very successful in some other settings, and they're just like, they couldn't, you know, bend or you will break. 00:30:03.039 --> 00:30:03.359 Right. 00:30:03.599 --> 00:30:05.519 And they couldn't adapt. 00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:09.359 You know, they would ask me, they go, well, I just I have to feel like we're just making this up. 00:30:09.440 --> 00:30:11.359 I'm like, because we are. 00:30:11.680 --> 00:30:13.200 We're making we made this up now. 00:30:13.599 --> 00:30:14.480 Never done this before, yeah. 00:30:14.720 --> 00:30:14.880 Yeah. 00:30:14.960 --> 00:30:24.000 I mean, there's an element to it, reaching new people, reaching new places, you know, doing new things, being being open. 00:30:24.240 --> 00:30:25.839 And so it's it's all changing. 00:30:26.079 --> 00:30:30.720 And based on your personality, it might be easy, you know, some might be easier or more difficult. 00:30:30.799 --> 00:30:34.400 I definitely think for an administrative person, which is so valuable. 00:30:34.720 -->

00:30:35.279 Wow, 100%. 00:30:35.680 --> 00:30:35.920 This could be. 00:30:36.240 --> 00:30:44.160 We're all administrative if we're leaders, but and it's pretty, pretty hard to find a job that you're not going to have to flex or change, you know. 00:30:44.319 --> 00:30:46.319 Um, so no, I think that's a great one. 00:30:46.640 --> 00:30:47.359 Life giving. 00:30:47.519 --> 00:30:53.759 I mean, at the end of the day, the person with the good spirit is the person looking to add value to someone else. 00:30:54.000 --> 00:30:58.400 I think most people are always asking the question, do you have something that could help me? 00:30:58.559 --> 00:30:58.880 Yeah. 00:30:59.039 --> 00:31:08.640 The the rare person, the person that stands up, as as I think John Maxwell said it the first time or somebody, but how do you get out of the pile? 00:31:09.279 --> 00:31:09.599 Yeah. 00:31:09.839 --> 00:31:14.880 You want to get out of the pile, be the one going, what can I do to add value to you? 00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:16.720 I had David Green on here, right? 00:31:16.880 --> 00:31:19.839 My question to him wasn't, would you help me with this or that? 00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:22.960 I honestly had no thought of anything that I needed from him. 00:31:23.119 --> 00:31:25.759 I just wanted to share him with my world. 00:31:25.839 --> 00:31:28.319 I just wanted to bless people with who he was. 00:31:28.640 --> 00:31:29.200 So good. 00:31:29.440 --> 00:31:35.440 But I I I asked him the question, is there anything I can do to add value to you? 00:31:35.839 --> 00:31:40.640 And so that a part of it was me helping him get his book out and and and I'm wanting to make this available. 00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:43.519 What I'm saying is that's a small example. 00:31:43.599 --> 00:31:43.759 Yeah. 00:31:44.319 --> 00:31:50.160 In every relationship, in every situation, in your workplace, how do you add value? 00:31:50.400 --> 00:31:52.559 And it's your team that promotes you. 00:31:53.839 --> 00:31:56.000 So it's also like how good a teammate. 00:31:56.640 --> 00:31:59.279 People with good spirits are better teammates. 00:31:59.519 --> 00:32:02.559 People with bad spirits have to play individual sports. 00:32:02.720 --> 00:32:02.960 Yeah. 00:32:03.279 --> 00:32:04.720 Because no one wants to play with them. 00:32:05.519 --> 00:32:05.839 Yeah. 00:32:06.160 --> 00:32:11.680 You know, so you if you ministry is a team sport and teams win championships. 00:32:11.759 --> 00:32:15.599 And I heard a guy recently talking about that going, we talk about teams all the time. 00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:18.960 You know, it's about Moses, it's about the man, it's about this person and whatever. 00:32:19.039 --> 00:32:23.599 And I mean, of course, when God wanted to do something, he raised up a leader, but that leader is ineffective. 00:32:23.759 --> 00:32:26.880 Moses also didn't possess the promised land because the team didn't want to go. 00:32:26.960 --> 00:32:27.440 Yeah. 00:32:27.759 --> 00:32:31.519 So the reality is it's both. 00:32:31.680 --> 00:32:31.839 Yeah. 00:32:32.079 --> 00:32:34.240 And and it is a leader, but it's a team. 00:32:34.400 --> 00:32:43.200 But to build a team, to be on a team, to work with others, you gotta, you gotta have that, I want to add value to someone else spirit. 00:32:43.599 --> 00:32:52.000 Well, and I think the lie you can believe too is if I present well to my boss and I come in with the big add in the smiles, but then I I don't translate that. 00:32:52.240 --> 00:32:53.440 Your coworkers always know. 00:32:53.519 --> 00:32:55.599 And like you said, you've said that for years. 00:32:55.839 --> 00:32:57.519 Your team promotes you, right? 00:32:57.599 --> 00:33:06.160 And you can think, but but life-giving, flexible, curious, fun, all the things you just mentioned, that will come out whether you are that or not. 00:33:06.640 --> 00:33:10.480 There's gonna be a meeting and the team's gonna talk about your attitude and how you relate. 00:33:10.640 --> 00:33:13.359 Your boss is gonna say it, but your teammates are gonna say it. 00:33:13.440 --> 00:33:17.200 And honestly, I can't protect you from you. 00:33:17.440 --> 00:33:17.599 Yeah. 00:33:17.839 --> 00:33:18.240 I can't. 00:33:18.319 --> 00:33:18.640 It's good. 00:33:18.799 --> 00:33:21.839 It's not just about me, it's about the people you work with every day. 00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:26.880 I wrote down a clarifying question on each of these because I think you talk about getting it really real. 00:33:27.119 --> 00:33:27.599 Yep. 00:33:27.920 --> 00:33:29.759 Is ask yourself this question. 00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:36.240 What happens to my attitude when I'm asked to trust without all the information? 00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:42.079 If you're in a growing atmosphere, that's happening more and more. 00:33:42.400 --> 00:33:46.319 I have to trust, but I don't have all the information. 00:33:46.559 --> 00:33:49.039 What about if I'm mischaracterized? 00:33:49.359 --> 00:33:51.279 What if someone misrepresents me? 00:33:51.519 --> 00:33:54.960 Can I have a good spirit when I'm being misunderstood? 00:33:55.680 --> 00:33:56.720 That's big. 00:33:57.119 --> 00:34:00.799 Or what about if I'm asked to pivot to a different role? 00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:05.759 Maybe a different role than what I feel like is my strongest role or the role I like. 00:34:06.160 --> 00:34:10.079 Or in other words, it's like, well, I'll pivot if it's to something better. 00:34:10.320 --> 00:34:10.960 Right, right. 00:34:11.199 --> 00:34:12.320 As long as we're moving up. 00:34:12.400 --> 00:34:12.719 Yeah. 00:34:12.960 --> 00:34:18.320 But what what about what about what about pivoting when it's maybe outside the realm of what you would think? 00:34:18.400 --> 00:34:23.280 And you just go, well, I'm just gonna have a good spirit and steward it for for God's glory. 00:34:23.360 --> 00:34:25.519 I'm gonna, I'm gonna serve him in it. 00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:38.000 And yeah, all that means, and and I would say to everybody, people who have a good spirit have A, been around people who require good spirits and have had to work through their own junk. 00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:39.519 It's got to get pushed out of them. 00:34:39.760 --> 00:34:39.920 Yep. 00:34:40.159 --> 00:34:58.159 But I would also say people, people over the long term that have a good spirit consult the right advice, they have the truth around them, but they're also willing, they're willing to let it change them. 00:34:59.039 --> 00:35:02.400 There's a lot of people have access to a lot of stuff that they don't allow to impact them. 00:35:02.960 --> 00:35:06.960 And they're really good at at self-talk. 00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:09.119 Like you got to become good at self-talk. 00:35:09.280 --> 00:35:11.440 To have a good spirit, you have to be good at self-talk. 00:35:11.679 --> 00:35:18.480 Well, I mean, I was gonna say after what the question you asked and everything you were saying, it sounds like even have a good spirit really comes back to character. 00:35:18.719 --> 00:35:19.119 Yeah, it is. 00:35:19.440 --> 00:35:25.119 Whatever job, whatever role, whatever, like I'm still gonna be the same person despite the situation around me. 00:35:25.199 --> 00:35:26.239 So who are you? 00:35:26.400 --> 00:35:27.360 Yeah, exactly. 00:35:27.599 --> 00:35:39.199 So I would say, I would say maybe ask a dangerous question to the people you work with, to some other people around you, say, hey, do you feel like I have a good attitude? 00:35:39.440 --> 00:35:41.760 Because attitude determines altitude. 00:35:42.079 --> 00:35:42.880 That's so good. 00:35:43.119 --> 00:35:45.920 I I'm so excited for this series. 00:35:46.000 --> 00:35:50.159 If you enjoyed this one, again, this is our first of five in this series. 00:35:50.320 --> 00:35:52.400 Make sure you tune in for the ones to come. 00:35:52.480 --> 00:35:56.320 Um, but we'll see you back on the Lead to Win podcast for the next episode. 00:35:56.639 --> 00:36:01.440 I wanted to personally say thank you for checking out the Lead to Win podcast. 00:36:01.760 --> 00:36:07.519 I love bringing this conversation to you, and I hope it adds value to you. 00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:12.719 If you wanted to do something to help the Lead to Win podcast, hit that like button. 00:36:12.960 --> 00:36:21.119 Even more importantly, hit the subscribe button and check out our next episode because we have some great ones coming up just for you.