النص الكامل لحلقة Dave Benner: Will Americans Vote Against Israel on Tuesday?

04:45.303 --> 04:52.248 [SPEAKER_03]: Iran during parts of the Iran-Arak war in the late 80s as did Ronald Reagan in our presidential administration. 04:52.328 --> 04:55.130 [SPEAKER_03]: So it seems like this policy is off the rails. 04:55.210 --> 04:56.871 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think it's going to be convincing. 04:57.431 --> 04:59.673 [SPEAKER_03]: And Americans just are not going to buy this. 04:59.773 --> 05:04.256 [SPEAKER_03]: I think that the Democrats will win both the House and probably the Senate at this point. 05:04.316 --> 05:09.460 [SPEAKER_03]: And it will be by large sweeping blue wave margins to stick it to this administration. 05:10.543 --> 05:25.694 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm wondering if you think that the war in Iran will actually be something that when people go to the voting booth on November 3rd, that they're actually going to be thinking of that, it may cast their vote against the Republican Party. 05:26.394 --> 05:36.217 [SPEAKER_04]: over the war in Iran, you know, it may be this is me with my anti war dot com color glasses on, uh, I hear a lot that, you know, people don't vote on foreign policy. 05:36.277 --> 05:39.177 [SPEAKER_04]: In the past, I generally agreed with that statement. 05:39.217 --> 05:49.620 [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like the war in Iran, the consequences are so clear, so quickly and not only that, Trump explicitly ran on avoiding a war in Iran. 05:49.660 --> 05:49.860 [SPEAKER_04]: So, 05:50.300 --> 05:55.092 [SPEAKER_04]: Do you think that this issue is going to move Americans when they go to the polls? 05:55.132 --> 05:58.982 [SPEAKER_04]: Or do you think it's going to be kind of other themes factoring in like the abstine files? 06:00.015 --> 06:05.877 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think you pretty much nailed it, Kyle, because ultimately, you know, we pay attention to foreign policy. 06:05.957 --> 06:07.517 [SPEAKER_03]: Our eyes are glued on those things. 06:07.557 --> 06:12.859 [SPEAKER_03]: We know how much it matters, but we don't represent the entirety of the electorate whatsoever. 06:12.919 --> 06:18.480 [SPEAKER_03]: But what I do think will happen is it's the downstream ramifications of this war. 06:18.520 --> 06:20.901 [SPEAKER_03]: And even more downstream from the war is the corrupt 06:21.241 --> 06:28.905 [SPEAKER_03]: financial system that props it up with inflation and debt of forty trillion dollars finance via the central bank. 06:28.925 --> 06:34.668 [SPEAKER_03]: That's what inflation is when the feds in the form of the Federal Reserve expand the money supply. 06:35.168 --> 06:48.615 [SPEAKER_03]: That has a long lasting effect on people's pocket books and the lack of prosperity we're seeing is downstream from that and the war and they're seeing it at the pumps so ultimately if they're going to pull the lever on the basis of foreign policy 06:50.416 --> 07:11.505 [SPEAKER_03]: It will really be from the consequences of this war, the closure of the straight-of-war moves, the energy crisis that's been unleashed, of course there's other voters that see the abstine cover up and the inability not only to deliver transparency when it comes to that but actively cover it up as just throwing a wrench into the notion that this was the drain the swamp guy. 07:11.745 --> 07:17.868 [SPEAKER_03]: This is the guy that was going to march into Washington as a white knight and stick it to the elites. 07:18.748 --> 07:31.082 [SPEAKER_03]: All of these broken promises are emblematic of that and it's kind of all wrapped up into one, but ultimately I do think people will vote against this administration for the ramifications of this war and war in general. 07:31.983 --> 07:32.963 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I agree. 07:33.003 --> 07:44.287 [SPEAKER_04]: I think with a lot of the wars we've at least wage during my lifetime, the consequences of the war are just delayed or diluted by other issues going on in the United States. 07:44.347 --> 07:53.830 [SPEAKER_04]: And here, because you have President Donald Trump who appears in front of the press every day, and it's firing off true socials on a, you know, by, you know, 07:54.230 --> 07:57.231 [SPEAKER_04]: every other day basis about the war in Iran. 07:57.291 --> 08:01.013 [SPEAKER_04]: It's really kept in people, you know, the forefront of people's mind. 08:01.493 --> 08:09.657 [SPEAKER_04]: And so it's very easy to link the war in Iran in high gas prices where, you know, in the past, understand how the global war on terror, 08:10.077 --> 08:35.928 [SPEAKER_04]: you know increased gas prices but also caused migration problems and all these other downstream issues was just delayed for years after the conflict and so people didn't necessarily attribute it and so I think that's a big part of what we're going to see on November 30s people actually going to the polls and actually voting on the foreign policy issue for a change and because there's immediate domestic consequences here at home. 08:37.064 --> 08:53.213 [SPEAKER_03]: Certainly so, and I think with a lot of the dissident Trump supporters who maybe reluctantly favored Trump over Kamala Harris, it's not like those guys are going to go out and vote for Al Siyad or those guys are going to go out and vote for some of these DSA alternatives. 08:53.233 --> 08:59.536 [SPEAKER_03]: I think a large portion of that base is going to just stay home and leave it to maybe the older activist base. 08:59.576 --> 09:00.097 [SPEAKER_03]: This is how 09:00.637 --> 09:15.583 [SPEAKER_03]: It breaks down, you know, I'm not trying to be mean to one particular group, but in terms of demographics, it's generally older boomer cons that still remain supportive of this administration, very few others, and ultimately they're going to lose out on the energy. 09:15.663 --> 09:21.286 [SPEAKER_03]: All the energy has been inherited by the liberal establishment and some more populist 09:21.926 --> 09:25.387 [SPEAKER_03]: aspects of the left, including the DSA, and that's what we're going to see.

09:25.787 --> 09:29.068 [SPEAKER_03]: It's in Trump has no one to blame, but himself, by the way. 09:29.368 --> 09:32.629 [SPEAKER_03]: The propaganda you're going to hear that it's all Tucker Carlson's fault. 09:32.669 --> 09:34.349 [SPEAKER_03]: It's all Candice Salons's fault. 09:34.569 --> 09:45.992 [SPEAKER_03]: It's all Alex Jones and Megan Kelly for Trump's unwillingness to keep his commitments to the electorate instead of serving the regime and standing with the neocons that he wants pretended to despise. 09:46.092 --> 09:47.332 [SPEAKER_03]: That's who's at fault for this. 09:48.302 --> 10:03.952 [SPEAKER_04]: And you know, since you're a libertarian, I think I can't help but make this point of, I feel like this is another, you know, kind of monumental shift in American politics where the libertarians are missing out because of how the movement has reacted to Donald Trump where. 10:04.352 --> 10:23.497 [SPEAKER_04]: There's been a subsection that's fully embraced the president and, you know, continues to largely support him, even though he's gotten us into these disastrous wars, continues to steal our freedom, see our at home, disaster, economic policies, and then you have another probably larger chunk of the libertarian base that is, 10:23.977 --> 10:41.908 [SPEAKER_04]: reflexively, almost like the Democrats are the liberals when it comes to Donald Trump and it's just been so anti-Trump that the really not position where had they maintained a principal-demarcative first position, which I do think largely overlaps with the libertarian ideology. 10:42.328 --> 10:45.929 [SPEAKER_04]: at least how could be practically applied to American politics today. 10:46.409 --> 11:03.254 [SPEAKER_04]: We would have been in a real position right now to game those votes that would have otherwise have gone to to the Republicans but won't because of Trump and won't go to the Democrats because you know that they don't believe in you know the transgender such change for children and things like that. 11:03.774 --> 11:09.555 [SPEAKER_04]: which the Democrat party has an amplified but is still certainly a prominent stain on their legacy. 11:10.095 --> 11:12.376 [SPEAKER_04]: What do you think about the libertarians in this moment? 11:13.456 --> 11:26.499 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well, the thing about that is Kyle and I picked up on this one Dave Smith that an interview recently and I think he just nailed it when he said, you know, the things that Trump campaigned on are still popular by it's drain the swamp. 11:26.579 --> 11:27.639 [SPEAKER_03]: It's bill of the wall. 11:27.659 --> 11:33.240 [SPEAKER_03]: A lot of libertarians don't agree on that, but you can't deny that that's popular, you know, bring transparency. 11:33.620 --> 11:50.916 [SPEAKER_03]: Destroy the deep state and the wars stop invading other countries and giving the biggest bomb makers Biggest bang big farm of the biggest subsidies in the world those things are still popular and yet as you make clear there There's basically no one in Washington standing up against those things. 11:50.976 --> 11:59.504 [SPEAKER_03]: The people that did were all either defeated in elections like Joe Cat or resigned or were primary adult like Marjorie Taylor Greene and Thomas Massey 11:59.864 --> 12:13.514 [SPEAKER_03]: Now, if we have Thomas Massey to deliver the Ron Paul non-interventionist real anti-elite message, it would attract a lot of interest, I think, and lately there's people on the populist left that love Thomas Massey. 12:13.954 --> 12:25.743 [SPEAKER_03]: For the same reasons we do in some regards, maybe not always on economics, but I think there is a contingent of voters true America firsters that do want a candidate to stand up for and support. 12:26.203 --> 12:30.528 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not even huge on federal elections, but you can see a ground swell of support for that. 12:30.848 --> 12:33.732 [SPEAKER_03]: We're just missing out on that, and I don't think we're going to have it. 12:33.752 --> 12:36.975 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry to say, unless Thomas Massey runs your president. 12:37.716 --> 12:38.417 [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely. 12:38.897 --> 12:42.942 [SPEAKER_04]: And that's I want to go and I'll play this clip of Brent Stevens for you. 12:44.182 --> 12:45.623 [SPEAKER_05]: drives me crazy. 12:45.823 --> 12:53.570 [SPEAKER_05]: It drives me crazy that Democrats are like, well, you know, this guy's small-tritch and thank you for their terrible people. 12:53.910 --> 12:56.552 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I agree by the way, I think they're horrible people. 12:57.656 --> 13:05.780 [SPEAKER_05]: Why is it that Democrats know the name of cabinet members in Israel, but not in any other country that you can think of? 13:05.900 --> 13:21.508 [SPEAKER_05]: Why the obsession, right, because it should be a question in our minds, that so many Democratic voters are carefully attuned to the inner workings of Israeli politics. 13:21.948 --> 13:25.250 [SPEAKER_05]: Does anyone in this room know the name of the interior minister of Japan? 13:26.892 --> 13:49.851 [SPEAKER_04]: do we care right it says something about the state of play in liberal politics today that there is this obsession with this country so he's talking there about liberals but i think you know as we'll see there there are certainly people on the right who made the same arguments so our americans to focus on washing tins relationship with televeve 13:50.817 --> 13:53.559 [SPEAKER_03]: No, I don't think they're focused enough generally. 13:53.639 --> 14:03.047 [SPEAKER_03]: It is the non-interventionists who care a lot and the people that see the ramifications of the U.S. foreign policy apparatus, which is tied to the hip of Israel. 14:03.067 --> 14:08.371 [SPEAKER_03]: That John Mirchheimer, I think, correctly identifies as an albatross around the neck of Americans. 14:08.411 --> 14:14.536 [SPEAKER_03]: So to push back at Stevens here, the reason why they don't care about the interior minister of

Japan, 14:14.976 --> 14:19.198 [SPEAKER_03]: is we're not funding Japan's genocides of ambitions that they want. 14:19.218 --> 14:22.159 [SPEAKER_03]: We're not getting into their regime changes of choice. 14:22.239 --> 14:29.042 [SPEAKER_03]: I always tell my audience this, is that your obsession with Israel is what's at stake here. 14:29.082 --> 14:42.148 [SPEAKER_03]: It's not our obsession, what we're talking about is downstream from the regime's obsession with Israel, making it the largest foreign policy beneficiary with our political class going over there kissing the wall. 14:42.448 --> 14:45.870 [SPEAKER_03]: Trump boasting that he always gave Miriam and Sheldon Adelson. 14:46.150 --> 14:52.973 [SPEAKER_03]: Everything they wanted on behalf of Israel and Tammy Bruce saying, Well, America's my second favorite country after Israel, of course. 14:53.013 --> 15:01.156 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, for you to look at those things that is captivating our political class, and act like there's nothing unique or interesting or absurd about this. 15:01.276 --> 15:02.997 [SPEAKER_03]: I think you're just not paying attention. 15:03.357 --> 15:09.260 [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm sorry, it is downstream from the regime's obsession with Israel that we have a problem with it. 15:10.187 --> 15:28.490 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, if Donald Trump was out there all the time saying we have an iron-clad relationship with a Japan that Japan's the greatest ally we've ever had, that if we didn't have Japan as our un-sinkable aircraft carrier in the Western Pacific Ocean, the United States of America would not exist. 15:28.570 --> 15:36.812 [SPEAKER_04]: And, oh, by the way, we're Army Japan as they, you know, reoccupied the Korean Peninsula and, you know, commit the same crime war crimes they did in World War II. 15:37.412 --> 15:47.002 [SPEAKER_04]: Then yeah, Americans should know who the Japanese interior minister is and treat them as they do small church in Bank of Europe, but of course none of that is the case. 15:47.082 --> 15:49.745 [SPEAKER_04]: And so the comparison doesn't make sense. 15:50.626 --> 15:54.230 [SPEAKER_04]: Kind of sticking on the election theme, this is Ben Shapiro. 15:59.286 --> 16:08.480 [SPEAKER_00]: The idea that President Trump has sort of led around by the nose by the Israelis has become a ridiculous idea that's prevalent on the entirety of the left and part of the horseshoe right. 16:08.740 --> 16:14.949 [SPEAKER_00]: It is nonsense the president himself has said that it is nonsense and it remains nonsense whether Hassan Pagra believes that or not. 16:16.957 --> 16:28.042 [SPEAKER_04]: So he's, you know, making someone at the same point, but, you know, the idea that Trump is caving to what Netanyahu wants his wife's focusing on, and he adds there about the horseshoe right. 16:28.462 --> 16:41.327 [SPEAKER_04]: And I can't help but feel a little bit attached like he's maybe taking aim at some of us not interventionist libertarians, not that he knows who,

you know, I am, but he, you know, might in may know who you are certainly knows who Dave Smith is. 16:41.867 --> 16:45.394 [SPEAKER_04]: And you know, that is our contingent of the libertarian party. 16:45.454 --> 16:49.142 [SPEAKER_04]: So do you think we're wrong to focus on this and point it out? 16:50.212 --> 16:51.052 [SPEAKER_03]: No, we're not wrong. 16:51.072 --> 17:07.297 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think it'd be more accurate to say that Ben Shapiro is part of the horseshoe liberal establishment with people like Chuck Schumer and Hakeen Jesus, that want this, that want us to ignore everything that our eyes are telling us about the sheer power and influence of this lobby. 17:07.337 --> 17:11.378 [SPEAKER_03]: Look, they get a special carve out that they don't have to register under far. 17:11.398 --> 17:15.540 [SPEAKER_03]: We had a president at one time in their early 60s that tried to put a stop to that. 17:15.780 --> 17:16.740 [SPEAKER_03]: And let's just say, 17:17.120 --> 17:41.658 [SPEAKER_03]: his name became a verb because what was done to him, maybe for that reason, and also that they are the only power the Middle East with nuclear weapons, sitting on an arsenal of something like 300 warheads, waging war against other powers on the specious idea that that other power has nuclear weapons, so this country gets a special pass, a special carve out in every regard, again. 17:42.418 --> 17:46.102 [SPEAKER_03]: It's not like they've made this a secret that they wanted regime change in Iran. 17:46.122 --> 17:49.806 [SPEAKER_03]: This is what the Nealcons and Le Kudniks have been talking about forever. 17:49.867 --> 17:55.933 [SPEAKER_03]: John McCain even made his own little jingle about this bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran. 17:55.973 --> 17:57.775 [SPEAKER_03]: It's not like this is coming out of nowhere. 17:57.815 --> 17:59.958 [SPEAKER_03]: The Israel lobby has wanted this forever. 18:00.378 --> 18:06.760 [SPEAKER_03]: Trump yielded to the Israel lobby and at the interests of his biggest donors like Larry Ellison and Miriam Adelson. 18:06.880 --> 18:07.761 [SPEAKER_03]: That's what it is. 18:08.281 --> 18:11.982 [SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, we should blame Trump for ultimately making that decision. 18:12.402 --> 18:16.043 [SPEAKER_03]: But, you know, the Israel lobby is involved with it ultimately, too. 18:16.164 --> 18:19.765 [SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, for Ben Shapiro, you just sit there and deny that. 18:19.825 --> 18:22.946 [SPEAKER_03]: And say, oh, no, if you argue otherwise, Trump lacks agency. 18:22.966 --> 18:23.386 [SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, 18:23.526 --> 18:42.804 [SPEAKER_03]: It's like, no, and, you know, I'm influenced very much by my parents, I grew up under their rule, but there were times where I said, no, I stayed up too late, I ate something I wasn't supposed to, doesn't say that that relationship had a lot of influence and persuasive pullover me. 18:42.824 --> 18:46.047 [SPEAKER_03]: And that's the argument all that the Neocons are trying to use right now. 18:46.970 --> 18:48.151 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, absolutely. 18:48.491 --> 18:53.895 [SPEAKER_04]: I see somebody in the chat saying they spend over $200 to fill up their truck yesterday. 18:54.315 --> 19:00.620 [SPEAKER_04]: I will say most of the time with the gas stations around here, I can't even fill up my truck because the pump cuts me off at $124. 19:00.660 --> 19:08.045 [SPEAKER_04]: And if it's, you know, at an eighth of a tank, that gets me to about three quarters full, so I would expect like, 19:08.645 --> 19:11.626 [SPEAKER_04]: You know one one fifty one seventy five to fill it up. 19:12.027 --> 19:27.754 [SPEAKER_04]: I can't imagine what producer Chris is putting in his truck every week now I'm sure he'll tell me but anyways on that like and share today's episode the show help us keep our trots fueled up Be sure to subscribe to the channel and if you listen audio only 19:28.414 --> 19:32.997 [SPEAKER_04]: be sure you're subscribed at your favorite podcast or so you don't miss an episode of the show. 19:33.717 --> 19:39.080 [SPEAKER_04]: Chris, I want to go a little bit out of order here and go nuts to send it to our Chris Murphy. 19:39.460 --> 19:47.124 [SPEAKER_04]: He apparently was briefed on some of the White House's war plan, should they return to war with Iran and his remarks were very concerning. 19:47.611 --> 19:54.396 [SPEAKER_01]: In one of these briefings, we did get the chance to have a fairly detailed conversation about what the war plan would be. 19:55.116 --> 20:03.021 [SPEAKER_01]: If we restarted military operations, you've heard a preview that it would be a short duration plan. 20:03.682 --> 20:07.564 [SPEAKER_01]: I will just say this, their plan is insane. 20:14.829 --> 20:24.015 [SPEAKER_01]: lead to devastating escalation and the likely destruction of our commitment to the rule of law. 20:26.196 --> 20:26.917 [SPEAKER_05]: Can you say more? 20:27.837 --> 20:34.622 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's been open reporting as to, you know, what we may be planning in the civilian infrastructure that we may be targeting. 20:37.363 --> 20:39.185 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the plan, the plan that they have 20:40.063 --> 20:45.185 [SPEAKER_01]: they've been asked by the president to develop a plan, whether they believe it, it will work or not. 20:45.306 --> 20:59.372 [SPEAKER_01]: I do not know, but the plan that they have developed will lead in my view to a prolongant and an escalation of this war that will be devastating for our security interests. 20:59.392 --> 21:01.993 [SPEAKER_04]: So he sounds awfully concerned there. 21:02.073 --> 21:08.056 [SPEAKER_04]: Dave, are you concerned that the U.S. is headed back to war in the Middle East either before or after 21:10.424 --> 21:15.267 [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's almost certain to half and after the midterms, and yeah, I'm very concerned about it. 21:15.287 --> 21:18.309 [SPEAKER_03]: Now I don't know what form that escalation will take. 21:18.849

--> 21:32.098 [SPEAKER_03]: I am concerned about the fact that Trump continues to position units in that area, deploy forces, move aircraft, carry your groups into the region for a potential additional strike. 21:32.498 --> 21:46.826 [SPEAKER_03]: And you know that Neocons are in his ear, like Vegevier, we just watched him in Mark Levin saying, hey, deploy ground troops, take carguer and take greater or lesser tomb, take Hormuz Island, take Keshim, they want an amphibious invasion. 21:46.906 --> 21:48.727 [SPEAKER_03]: Now, I'm not sure that's going to happen. 21:48.747 --> 21:50.408 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, right now Trump is talking about, 21:50.788 --> 22:05.511 [SPEAKER_03]: jumping a mullab, a mother of all bombs, which hasn't been dropped from my knowledge since like 2017 in Afghanistan, but he's also said stuff about targeting desalination plants and taking carguerland in the past. 22:05.831 --> 22:07.412 [SPEAKER_03]: It hasn't come to fruition. 22:08.152 --> 22:12.253 [SPEAKER_03]: The worst scenario could be a ground invasion that costs 22:13.173 --> 22:27.324 [SPEAKER_03]: Thousands of lives, maybe on the tune of greater than Iraq, if that many forces are dedicated, or a tactical nuke of some sort, but I hope I just really hope that no ground forces are involved. 22:27.624 --> 22:36.291 [SPEAKER_03]: If they're going to strike Iran and try to walk away from it, that's the best thing I can hope for, that Trump might try to sell that as some victory, but I am concerned. 22:36.531 --> 22:40.154 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what form it's going to take, but I do think there's an escalation coming. 22:40.474 --> 22:46.198 [SPEAKER_03]: especially because of the preparation notices that have gone out to US bases and things like that that we've seen. 22:46.238 --> 22:47.960 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure you've reported on that, by the way. 22:48.740 --> 22:49.741 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, absolutely. 22:49.761 --> 22:57.406 [SPEAKER_04]: I think the escalation could come as soon as this weekend, although the timing right before the midterm elections might seem off. 22:57.466 --> 23:01.850 [SPEAKER_04]: It is hard to capture the logic in the reasoning in the Trump administration. 23:02.250 --> 23:05.532 [SPEAKER_04]: If they really think that this is only going to take three days, 23:06.953 --> 23:11.975 [SPEAKER_04]: Sunday, Monday, and on Tuesday, they declare victory as Americans are heading to the polls. 23:12.375 --> 23:18.597 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, that is insane as Chris Murphy was saying, but a lot of things this administration has done is insane. 23:19.277 --> 23:22.058 [SPEAKER_04]: What do you make of Chris Murphy's remarks there? 23:22.178 --> 23:28.821 [SPEAKER_04]: One of the commenters, I think it's R&Gibs 1861 says, Chris Murphy is a grifter. 23:29.321 --> 23:31.181 [SPEAKER_04]: And I think I have to agree with 23:32.942 --> 23:39.048 [SPEAKER_04]: In some sense, I do appreciate that you have a U.S. send or coming out and giving a babe statement on this. 23:39.508 --> 23:42.110 [SPEAKER_04]: But this isn't a declared war, right? 23:42.170 --> 23:55.262 [SPEAKER_04]: Like he is saying that Donald Trump is about to do something incredibly stupid, incredibly dangerous, incredibly destructive for the country that is also illegal, and he doesn't talk about that part. 23:56.848 --> 24:18.549 [SPEAKER_03]: yeah that's never talked about i mean the least popular position to have against something is that this is immoral and this is unconstitutional they never say that but at the same time i would be concerned about that now i don't know that much about christmervia i think he's either i think he's the junior senator in kinetic it but at least he's a prominent figure in american politics and 24:18.909 --> 24:22.392 [SPEAKER_03]: It serves his political interest to be against Trump in this moment. 24:22.692 --> 24:27.876 [SPEAKER_03]: Don't exactly know what he'd be saying, if say Biden had launched this war, will we pretty much do? 24:27.896 --> 24:31.659 [SPEAKER_03]: Because I think that he completely fool-throat supported Ukraine. 24:31.679 --> 24:34.802 [SPEAKER_03]: But at the same time, you know, these warnings should be heated. 24:34.862 --> 24:38.025 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't care about who's the best political beneficiary. 24:38.605 --> 24:40.366 [SPEAKER_03]: for taking a position. 24:40.506 --> 24:44.427 [SPEAKER_03]: I just care about getting our forces out of there and rolling back the empire. 24:44.747 --> 24:51.189 [SPEAKER_03]: It's what Trump campaigned on and we saw signs of, you know, that glass being cracked in his first term. 24:51.229 --> 24:59.111 [SPEAKER_03]: He escalated the wars in both Syria and Yemen and used one of his only sole, one of his only presidential vetoes to prolong Yemen. 24:59.651 --> 25:06.478 [SPEAKER_03]: he actually ramped up the bombings in Afghanistan before to his credit trying to draw that down and lay the plans to get out of there. 25:06.538 --> 25:19.330 [SPEAKER_03]: But now you have a new war launched contrary to what a lot of his supporters and he said that he wouldn't start a new war and one of the points of supporting him was supposed to be on that basis that he didn't launch a new war. 25:19.410 --> 25:21.953 [SPEAKER_03]: I can't tell you how many times libertarians 25:22.253 --> 25:24.215 [SPEAKER_03]: that they wanted to persuade to vote for Trump. 25:24.235 --> 25:24.956 [SPEAKER_03]: We're told that. 25:25.297 --> 25:26.658 [SPEAKER_03]: He didn't launch a new war. 25:26.718 --> 25:36.530 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, now we have that war and the economic disaster that's come from that war, like a domino effect, has been too glaring for the American electorate to ignore, I think. 25:37.417 --> 25:39.899 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and, you know, you point out there, Chris Murphy. 25:39.919 --> 25:42.461 [SPEAKER_04]: I think he is the Junior Sander from Connecticut. 25:42.541 --> 25:53.889 [SPEAKER_04]: I think Diplomethol might be the longer

term serving sander from Connecticut, but he was somebody who was on Biden's shortlist for Secretary of State. 25:54.649 --> 26:00.553 [SPEAKER_04]: In some circles, he was maybe the more realist option, the less aggressive hawkish option. 26:01.034 --> 26:05.837 [SPEAKER_04]: But of course, he is one of the biggest and loudest supporters of the war in Ukraine. 26:06.057 --> 26:20.918 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we often talk about John McCain and Lindsey Graham going to Ukraine to stir up the coup that ultimately led to this civil war and eventually the Russian invasion, but tacking along right there with old McCain was Chris Murphy so. 26:21.478 --> 26:23.059 [SPEAKER_04]: we can't let them off the hood there. 26:23.619 --> 26:24.660 [SPEAKER_04]: Now, I do want to go. 26:24.700 --> 26:40.707 [SPEAKER_04]: I think this is a good place to go to this big news week story this week about the military drilling and starts practicing digging mass battlefield graves and not just the process of digging a hole in the ground, but 26:41.127 --> 26:43.349 [SPEAKER_04]: how to do it in a dignified manner. 26:43.449 --> 26:46.892 [SPEAKER_04]: The religious concerns trying to bury pieces of the bite together. 26:46.912 --> 26:50.776 [SPEAKER_04]: So these are somewhat complex maneuvers that they're doing. 26:50.856 --> 26:52.157 [SPEAKER_04]: What did you make of the story? 26:53.422 --> 27:04.650 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so I looked at this a little bit Kyle and what they're claiming here is that it's, you know, for training in the cases that they would need mass graves to bury dead in a military conflict. 27:04.670 --> 27:11.455 [SPEAKER_03]: But what I got to tell you, Kyle is, you know, this is providing the most fertile ground for conspiracy theories right now. 27:11.475 --> 27:22.383 [SPEAKER_03]: It's about the worst optics you can ever have in the middle of a war in Iran with a proxy war against a nuclear power going on in Russia and with Trump talking about escalating. 27:22.683 --> 27:28.406 [SPEAKER_03]: The former, dropping a mother of all bombs and then we're gonna have military exercises doing this. 27:28.726 --> 27:30.227 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, the timing couldn't be worse. 27:30.267 --> 27:35.330 [SPEAKER_03]: This whole thing is a downward spiral from maga, and the PR just couldn't be worse. 27:35.390 --> 27:46.396 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's Trump attacking his coalition, calling, you know, it's most prominent supporters, like Tucker Carlson and Candice Owen's losers while rather than trying to rectify tensions with them. 27:46.436 --> 27:48.997 [SPEAKER_03]: It's putting himself in the meme of Jesus Christ, 27:49.357 --> 28:06.266 [SPEAKER_03]: healing someone, and then say, oh, I was just trying to be a doctor, and then it's like a touch of JD events to Vivek Robiswami's campaign in Ohio, and say, I can't believe people are complaining about this at like the PR just can't get worse, and I guess this is the latest embodiment of it. 28:06.786 --> 28:15.130

[SPEAKER_03]: And by my knowledge, this kind of military exercise or training program, whatever you want to call it, hasn't even been done for decades. 28:15.170 --> 28:16.151 [SPEAKER_03]: So this is just 28:19.092 --> 28:19.512 [SPEAKER_03]: do this. 28:20.533 --> 28:21.174 [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely. 28:21.414 --> 28:37.985 [SPEAKER_04]: And one of the amazing things about this second Trump administration is I feel like the first Trump administration was defined by a different type of incompetence and inability to navigate the Washington bureaucracy to actually implement Trump's agenda. 28:38.386 --> 28:41.588 [SPEAKER_04]: And some of that agenda I will say, I agreed with. 28:41.868 --> 28:43.449 [SPEAKER_04]: He did say he wanted to be the 28:44.850 --> 28:46.571 [SPEAKER_04]: He wanted to end the war in Ukraine. 28:46.591 --> 28:48.811 [SPEAKER_04]: He wanted to keep us out of the war with Iran. 28:49.271 --> 28:56.093 [SPEAKER_04]: All those are things I support as well, maybe smaller parts, but some parts of this domestic agenda as well. 28:56.573 --> 29:09.217 [SPEAKER_04]: In this time, I would say that Trump's administration isn't incompetent at navigating the bureaucracy, what they're incompetent at is actually implementing policies that in some way, 29:10.237 --> 29:19.924 [SPEAKER_04]: benefit Americans or at least give the perception of the benefiting Americans enough to help the Republican party and the midterm elections and they really can't do either here. 29:20.184 --> 29:21.525 [SPEAKER_04]: It's it's crazy. 29:22.786 --> 29:24.027 [SPEAKER_03]: No, you said it, man. 29:24.087 --> 29:24.867 [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm with you. 29:24.908 --> 29:33.514 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean Trump did throw some good red meat to like a dissident group of people who believed you know the political engine of both parties. 29:33.554 --> 29:33.634 [SPEAKER_03]: The 29:38.377 --> 29:50.643 [SPEAKER_03]: campaign in both 2020 and 2024 was that, you know, he didn't know how to navigate Washington, you know, he put the wrong people with him, he trusted the wrong people, but now, now he's turned the corner. 29:50.703 --> 29:55.005 [SPEAKER_03]: Now he's going to get his guys in the DOJ with cash, but tell him, pan body. 29:55.065 --> 29:59.026 [SPEAKER_03]: Now he's going to have his guy as secretary of war, Pete Higgseth. 29:59.367 --> 30:02.048 [SPEAKER_03]: Now he's going to have his guy in office. 30:02.688 --> 30:18.885 [SPEAKER_03]: Marco Rubio released a call little Marco and we shouldn't just be surprised about the results of those decisions where the litmus test about who gets into your cabinet is really only on the basis of whether you agree with supporting the wars and supporting Israel. 30:19.605 --> 30:25.632 [SPEAKER_03]: even when it comes to the supposed outsiders like RFK at Junior and Tulsi Gabbard, they're both resignists. 30:25.752 --> 30:38.908 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, think about the American electorate, the percentage of people that oppose aid

to Israel, oppose the Jedi side and Gaza, oppose the war in Iran, compared to the members of Trump's cabinet, even before he launched the seven day war. 30:39.368 --> 30:45.430 [SPEAKER_03]: and there's just a real disconnect between the people in power and the electric that's going to vote against the Republicans. 30:45.510 --> 30:52.653 [SPEAKER_03]: And again, no one is at fault, but Trump and his, you know, sick of fits at his loyal as well as the fenders at this point. 30:53.473 --> 30:53.713 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 30:53.913 --> 30:57.455 [SPEAKER_04]: And before I let you go, I have one more clip I want to play for you. 30:57.495 --> 31:06.398 [SPEAKER_04]: This is Secretary of War, Pete heads at talking about some new preparedness standards that U.S. military bases need to meet. 31:07.368 --> 31:14.693 [SPEAKER_06]: Today, at my direction, we are launching Fortress America, a national insurance policy for the American homeland. 31:15.734 --> 31:23.779 [SPEAKER_06]: Now, Fortress stands for federal operations for resilience, troop resources, energy, supply, and survivability. 31:25.120 --> 31:26.681 [SPEAKER_06]: And here's what Fortress calls for. 31:28.342 --> 31:32.425 [SPEAKER_06]: Every major military installation in America is going to generate its own power, 31:36.270 --> 31:41.492 [SPEAKER_06]: If an adversary takes down the grid by cyber attack, by sabotage, or by any means, our basis stay lit. 31:41.933 --> 31:45.354 [SPEAKER_06]: Our aircraft keep flying, our command centers never go dark. 31:46.575 --> 31:48.796 [SPEAKER_06]: We're bringing our critical supply chains home. 31:49.696 --> 31:58.480 [SPEAKER_06]: The rare earth, especially metals, the semiconductors, the propellants, mined in America, refined in America, built in America by American workers. 32:00.020 --> 32:03.022 [SPEAKER_06]: We are building long overdue strategic reserves. 32:03.933 --> 32:05.794 [SPEAKER_06]: deep enough to fight through disruption. 32:06.495 --> 32:09.137 [SPEAKER_06]: Think munitions, fuel, medicine, blood. 32:10.118 --> 32:15.362 [SPEAKER_06]: Deep enough that if the world's supply lines break and in a real war, they're going to break. 32:16.483 --> 32:18.785 [SPEAKER_06]: America keeps fighting anyway. 32:20.006 --> 32:25.370 [SPEAKER_06]: We're hardening every installation on American soil against cyber intrusion, sabotage, and drones. 32:26.711 --> 32:28.972 [SPEAKER_06]: And we're securing the high ground and the air waves. 32:29.862 --> 32:35.865 [SPEAKER_06]: our satellites, our spectrum, our ability to see, to navigate, and to talk to one another. 32:37.726 --> 32:44.769 [SPEAKER_06]: Previous administrations may have traded away our resilience one job, one factory, one town, and one base at a time. 32:45.829 --> 32:48.851 [SPEAKER_06]: Fortress America is how we get that back. 32:50.111 --> 32:55.014 [SPEAKER_06]: No matter the circumstance, this department will have the power, the equipment, and the 33:00.358 --> 33:03.580 [SPEAKER_04]: So this was shocking to me for a few reasons. 33:03.680 --> 33:13.426 [SPEAKER_04]: First of all, Pete Headset can apparently spell fortress that as a little bit beyond what I thought he was capable of, but this really did raise my alarm. 33:13.466 --> 33:22.251 [SPEAKER_04]: Of course he's talking about some kind of foreign threat to the United States of America, but he's also talking about sabotage and drone operations. 33:22.692 --> 33:24.393 [SPEAKER_04]: When I first started this show, 33:24.813 --> 33:48.243 [SPEAKER_04]: producer Chris was warning that he thought president Donald Trump declared martial law by the end of his administration and things like this make me more and more nervous that we are heading in that direction that this really isn't about making sure that our basis stay operational during an attack, but rather our basis stay operational at the public is uprising against the 33:52.901 --> 33:57.566 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, yeah, you make a good point about being impressed by his ability to spell fortress. 33:57.626 --> 34:03.052 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, this is the guy that quoted pulp fiction, as if it was easy killing the Bible. 34:03.092 --> 34:07.798 [SPEAKER_03]: If you remember that, Kurt Fuffle, but honestly, Kyle, I haven't looked into this well enough. 34:07.838 --> 34:09.560 [SPEAKER_03]: Like on the surface, some of that rhetoric, 34:09.900 --> 34:26.532 [SPEAKER_03]: would work for non-interventionists like us that do want to become reliant internally to bring things back to the United States maybe support the defense of the United States rather than empire building for once but it was also filled with lies and you note some apprehensions there I'm not sure 34:27.232 --> 34:37.315 [SPEAKER_03]: about what exactly to think of this, but the lies that he stated in there to me that stuck out to me was when he was talking about building up the United States strategic reserves for preparation. 34:37.816 --> 34:52.680 [SPEAKER_03]: The United States is completely draining its strategic reserves and munitions and short range and long range ballistic missiles in in terms of interceptors in terms of the strategic oil reserve at its lowest point since 1983 right now. 34:53.021 --> 34:54.161 [SPEAKER_03]: It's not embarking 34:54.801 --> 35:05.784 [SPEAKER_03]: in the type of mission that Pete Higgs-Seth is propagandizing to, it's actually the contrary, because empire building is to the contrary of American prosperity and American livelihood. 35:05.804 --> 35:18.768 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think Thomas Jefferson was right in his first inaugural address when he said, the American doctrine should be and setting itself apart from all other countries should be peace commerce and honest friendship with all nations and tangling alliances with not 35:19.368 --> 35:31.994 [SPEAKER_03]: It's the martial law I can't really speak to that, a lot of the allegations where that Trump was doing that in January 2021 is part of January 6th

and you honestly kind of went out like a bitch from his first term. 35:32.034 --> 35:43.200 [SPEAKER_03]: So I don't know if he has it in him, I think he's actually kind of cowardly in some ways and not to say I would support those things but I don't know that Trump has the support even within his government to do that. 35:43.400 --> 35:44.921 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a lot different when it comes 35:48.983 --> 35:54.436 [SPEAKER_03]: among the country, how much of the military establishment, how much of the political class would stand with them in that? 35:54.797 --> 35:56.901 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think it's a large portion of it right now. 35:57.537 --> 35:58.818 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's a really good point. 35:58.858 --> 36:03.721 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, we have the precedent set where the president can't go to war anywhere he wants in the world. 36:03.861 --> 36:11.445 [SPEAKER_04]: And the, you know, Congress has supposed to pass an authorization for use of military force, but Americans don't know what the hell that is. 36:11.485 --> 36:17.648 [SPEAKER_04]: And their sender will get up there and say, well, there's a war powers that allows the president to wage war for six days. 36:22.271 --> 36:27.319 [SPEAKER_04]: And so if Donald Trump goes back to war, it's a new war, and it's all okay, it's now violation of the Constitution. 36:28.141 --> 36:33.630 [SPEAKER_04]: But obviously that wouldn't apply to Marshall Law, and it would be a far bigger breach of the current America. 36:34.080 --> 36:42.527 [SPEAKER_04]: American political and, you know, legal taboo then would go into war and Iran, but boy, they are willing to break those. 36:42.647 --> 36:47.331 [SPEAKER_04]: So anyways, Dave, thank you so much for your time on the show today. 36:47.471 --> 36:51.134 [SPEAKER_04]: I really appreciate you coming back down and breaking it all down for us. 36:51.774 --> 36:53.976 [SPEAKER_04]: Everybody check out his show Liberty Ball. 36:54.216 --> 36:55.877 [SPEAKER_04]: I think I've been on twice now. 36:55.917 --> 36:58.539 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm very proud to say so thank you for having 37:03.760 --> 37:05.421 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, just want to thank you so much, man. 37:05.461 --> 37:11.804 [SPEAKER_03]: You bring some of the best and truest stories about U.S. foreign policy for people to consume every day. 37:11.884 --> 37:15.166 [SPEAKER_03]: So check out Kyle at the Libertarian Institute. 37:15.186 --> 37:20.569 [SPEAKER_03]: He turns out like three or four articles of day all of which are mostly topics that no one else is covering. 37:20.629 --> 37:22.490 [SPEAKER_03]: I truly go to people like Kyle. 37:22.770 --> 37:36.277 [SPEAKER_03]: as well as like the graze on anti-war.com props to them by the way I think Angela might be watching right now and organizations like drop site for this so thanks so much Kyle you'll be back on my show and I can't thank you enough for having me on yours. 37:37.168 --> 37:39.489 [SPEAKER_04]: All right, and thank all of you for listening. 37:39.529 --> 37:42.390 [SPEAKER_04]: We had a fairly active chat on today's show. 37:42.450 --> 37:46.671 [SPEAKER_04]: So I was really happy to see you guys getting in there leaving our comments. 37:46.711 --> 37:48.332 [SPEAKER_04]: We always appreciate those. 37:48.752 --> 37:53.093 [SPEAKER_04]: I can't always look at all of them while I'm recording by due go back after the show. 37:53.173 --> 37:57.475 [SPEAKER_04]: Look at what people are saying, try to take any feedback that you have for me. 37:58.095 --> 38:01.718 [SPEAKER_04]: and also an idea for future guests, always happy to hear that. 38:02.559 --> 38:10.325 [SPEAKER_04]: Be sure you like and share this episode of the Kyle Lanslone Show, help Dave get his analysis out there to just a few more people waiting to do that. 38:10.766 --> 38:12.828 [SPEAKER_04]: And of course be sure to subscribe to the channel. 38:13.208 --> 38:14.389 [SPEAKER_04]: We'll be back Monday.